From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sun Sep  2 08:56:01 2012
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (JOHN KENNER)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:56:01 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride
Message-ID: <000b01cd891b$12f99040$38ecb0c0$@TAMCAB.COM>

Hi Gang,

 

What's the setup for the Sept 8th ride?

 

JOHN KENNER

From don at napanet.net  Tue Sep  4 14:05:24 2012
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:05:24 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] New Mini Commercial
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1346789033.1217.nobbc@autox.team.net>

I just received this from my friend Jerry, who is a motorhead, but 
not into British cars.  Maybe it's been around, but I had not seen it before.


-----------------------------------------------

In my never ending quest for cars and culture I forward the 
following; almost culture and almost a 
car. 


TURN YOUR SPEAKERS ON.

A Mini Cooper ad worth watching..


<http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0>http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0


-----------------------------------------------


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1967 MGB
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  

From hawkview at sonic.net  Tue Sep  4 17:17:51 2012
From: hawkview at sonic.net (CLIF&DEB)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:17:51 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] New Mini Commercial
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More notes than cars, but cute!
Clif. 74 JH

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> I just received this from my friend Jerry, who is a motorhead, but
> not into British cars.  Maybe it's been around, but I had not seen it
before.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> In my never ending quest for cars and culture I forward the
> following; almost culture and almost a
> car.
>
>
> TURN YOUR SPEAKERS ON.
>
> A Mini Cooper ad worth watching..
>
>
>
<http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0>http://www.youtube.com/embed/
ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1955 MGTF
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1967 MGB
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
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From liamof at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  4 16:53:44 2012
From: liamof at earthlink.net (Liam O'Flaherty)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:53:44 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] New Mini Commercial
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Nice sound.  I didn't know they had different pitches for their horns.
I am not sure its "very british" except for the flags though since BMW
purchased the company from Rover to form the "new mini company".
Nice comercial either way.

Liam
57 mga
59 sprite

On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Don wrote:

> I just received this from my friend Jerry, who is a motorhead, but
> not into British cars.  Maybe it's been around, but I had not seen it
before.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> In my never ending quest for cars and culture I forward the
> following; almost culture and almost a
> car.
>
>
> TURN YOUR SPEAKERS ON.
>
> A Mini Cooper ad worth watching..
>
>
>
<http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0>http://www.youtube.com/embed/
ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1955 MGTF
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1967 MGB
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
> _______________________________________________
> NOBBC at autox.team.net
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Tue Sep  4 20:26:39 2012
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (JOHN KENNER)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:26:39 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride
Message-ID: <011501cd8b0d$e3136ff0$a93a4fd0$@TAMCAB.COM>

What time and where should we Sonoma County people meet you Southerners?

 

JOHN KENNER

 

They named that Mountain after my business:

 



 

From: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com [mailto:NOBBC at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Darley
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:38 PM
To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NOBBC] Re: Sept 8th Ride

 

  

Yes, 

Is the Southern Marin drive on this Saturday?

Kurt and others?

 

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Cell: 415 310 5252




 

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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 16:36:38 2012
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:36:38 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] New Mini Commercial
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Great mini symphony.  We could play a duet with our Clubman and new
roadster.
We just drove the roadster on a road trip to Pismo Beach, SLO, & Ojai.  Oh
my.
So rare to have a NoBBCC drive starting in Marin but sorry can't make it
this Saturday.
Marty
'53 MG TD

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> I just received this from my friend Jerry, who is a motorhead, but
> not into British cars.  Maybe it's been around, but I had not seen it
> before.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> In my never ending quest for cars and culture I forward the
> following; almost culture and almost a
> car.
>
>
> TURN YOUR SPEAKERS ON.
>
> A Mini Cooper ad worth watching..
>
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/ik9AtJQXaHQ?rel=0
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1955 MGTF
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1967 MGB
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
> _______________________________________________
> NOBBC at autox.team.net
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Wed Sep  5 19:45:06 2012
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (JOHN KENNER)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:45:06 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride
Message-ID: <006901cd8bd1$3fbc4060$bf34c120$@TAMCAB.COM>

Not sure yet if I can make it.



Is there any interest in an organized start in Santa Rosa or ? and then

drive down and meet the others at the Cheese Factory or wherever?





JOHN KENNER









From: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com [mailto:NOBBC at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Legg
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:35 PM
To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride





I'll try and meet up at Cheese factory coming from Napa.



  _____

From: Kurt Housh <klhoush at comcast.net>
To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:03 AM
Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride





Hi, just got back from LA. You wouldnbt believe how clear it is. We could
see the San Gabriel Mtns. the entire time we were there.



The Southern group should leave Fairfax around 10:15, the Cheese Factory at
10:45, and hit Tomales around 11:15.



Where are you guys thinking of meeting us?  Kurt



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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Wed Sep  5 21:06:32 2012
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 03:06:32 +0000
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John,

Not ignoring you.  Just not sure yet if I'm available this weekend.

Dan


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Not sure yet if I can make it.



Is there any interest in an organized start in Santa Rosa or ? and then

drive down and meet the others at the Cheese Factory or wherever?





JOHN KENNER









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Legg
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I'll try and meet up at Cheese factory coming from Napa.



  _____

From: Kurt Housh <klhoush at comcast.net>
To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:03 AM
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Hi, just got back from LA. You wouldnbt believe how clear it is. We could see
the San Gabriel Mtns. the entire time we were there.



The Southern group should leave Fairfax around 10:15, the Cheese Factory at
10:45, and hit Tomales around 11:15.



Where are you guys thinking of meeting us?  Kurt



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From wbain at sonic.net  Thu Sep  6 12:19:50 2012
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 11:19:50 -0700
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Not sure I can make this one either.

Wendell

On Sep 5, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Daniel Drummond wrote:

> John,
>
> Not ignoring you.  Just not sure yet if I'm available this weekend.
>
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of JOHN KENNER
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:45 PM
> To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com; North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride
>
> Not sure yet if I can make it.
>
>
>
> Is there any interest in an organized start in Santa Rosa or ? and
> then
>
> drive down and meet the others at the Cheese Factory or wherever?
>
>
>
>
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com [mailto:NOBBC at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of James
> Legg
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>
>
>
>
>
> I'll try and meet up at Cheese factory coming from Napa.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Kurt Housh <klhoush at comcast.net>
> To: NOBBC at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:03 AM
> Subject: [NOBBC] Sept 8th Ride
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, just got back from LA. You wouldnbt believe how clear it is.
> We could see
> the San Gabriel Mtns. the entire time we were there.
>
>
>
> The Southern group should leave Fairfax around 10:15, the Cheese
> Factory at
> 10:45, and hit Tomales around 11:15.
>
>
>
> Where are you guys thinking of meeting us?  Kurt
>
>
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sat Sep  8 15:00:43 2012
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (JOHN KENNER)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:00:43 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] 9-8-12 FUN RIDE
Message-ID: <000001cd8e05$03f91a90$0beb4fb0$@TAMCAB.COM>

We had a great ride today.

 

The Sonoma regulars ( 5 or 6 ) met the Marin guys  (8 or 9 ) at the Marin
Cheese Factory.

 

Then we drove via the Marshall Road to Highway One and down to Pt. Reyes
Station and had a picnic lunch at a playground.

 

14 Cars showed up at the Cheese Factory!

 

I left after lunch, I think they were headed for Mt. Tam.

 

Pictures on the Yahoo site.

 

Thanks to Kurt for spearheading this one!  Lets do it again soon.

 

JOHN KENNER

From markdarley at mac.com  Sat Sep  8 19:27:47 2012
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:27:47 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] 9-8-12 FUN RIDE
In-Reply-To: <000001cd8e05$03f91a90$0beb4fb0$@TAMCAB.COM>
References: <000001cd8e05$03f91a90$0beb4fb0$@TAMCAB.COM>
Message-ID: <A2FBA9FB-102D-4212-9AAF-7AB72F15DB59@mac.com>

Fellow Brit car drivers,

Great to meet all the Southerners at Java, and then those from the North Country at the Cheese Factory. Terrific turnout. Sorry I had to split and go off the Novato.  I am sure you had a great ride south.

I started the morning with a spectacular ride over Mnt. Tam to Java, nearly dampened by finding the north end gate of the Ridge road closed at 8.45am, nearly 2 hours after it should be unlocked.    Luckily a ranger showed up to open it as I sat there waiting for an explanation (never got one but she liked the car).....

And I hope you all missed that massive pothole between the gate and the Bolinas road drop off on the way back later in the day!

Thanks Kurt

Best,
Mark

Tyrolite '57 MGA

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Cell: 415 310 5252




On Sep 8, 2012, at 2:00 PM, JOHN KENNER wrote:

> We had a great ride today.
> 
> 
> 
> The Sonoma regulars ( 5 or 6 ) met the Marin guys  (8 or 9 ) at the Marin
> Cheese Factory.
> 
> 
> 
> Then we drove via the Marshall Road to Highway One and down to Pt. Reyes
> Station and had a picnic lunch at a playground.
> 
> 
> 
> 14 Cars showed up at the Cheese Factory!
> 
> 
> 
> I left after lunch, I think they were headed for Mt. Tam.
> 
> 
> 
> Pictures on the Yahoo site.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to Kurt for spearheading this one!  Lets do it again soon.
> 
> 
> 
> JOHN KENNER
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From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 13:31:24 2012
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:31:24 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Two Spitfire Parts Cars for Sale
Message-ID: <CAGEfHZqE2wE6Avq9Zjy10qzQRWet6fdjpkf7skdVgSsdN+cpkA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NOBBC friends,

I sold my yellow Spitfire. It was just too small for me.

I'm now going to sell my blue 1975 hard top Spitfire on eBay. It's in good
condition, except for a bit of rust on the roof seam and one edge of the
trunk.

That leaves me with 2 parts cars to get rid of, a 1979 and a 1969. Both are
complete except for the gauges and switches. The 1200 engine in the 1969
turns over but has not run for years. The engine in the 1979 needs a
rebuild. I have tons of extra parts.

If anyone wants either parts car for $500, let me know.

Cheers,

-- 
Dawson

From morganspierce at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 13:44:05 2012
From: morganspierce at gmail.com (Morgan Pierce)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:44:05 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Two Spitfire Parts Cars for Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAGEfHZqE2wE6Avq9Zjy10qzQRWet6fdjpkf7skdVgSsdN+cpkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGEfHZqE2wE6Avq9Zjy10qzQRWet6fdjpkf7skdVgSsdN+cpkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE6613A-9F81-4E8F-AA72-3ED32B1F6BBD@gmail.com>

Dawson,

What do you have in the way of smog equipment for the '79?

I have a '79 1500 that I need to make smog-worthy and it presently has a
non-original Weber plus a competition exhaust manifold and pipes.

Thank you,

Morgan Pierce


On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Dawson Church <dawsonchurch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi NOBBC friends,
>
> I sold my yellow Spitfire. It was just too small for me.
>
> I'm now going to sell my blue 1975 hard top Spitfire on eBay. It's in good
> condition, except for a bit of rust on the roof seam and one edge of the
> trunk.
>
> That leaves me with 2 parts cars to get rid of, a 1979 and a 1969. Both are
> complete except for the gauges and switches. The 1200 engine in the 1969
> turns over but has not run for years. The engine in the 1979 needs a
> rebuild. I have tons of extra parts.
>
> If anyone wants either parts car for $500, let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Dawson
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Mon Sep 17 20:11:03 2012
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (JOHN KENNER)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:11:03 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] OUR NEXT RIDE
Message-ID: <00d701cd9542$dc7f68d0$957e3a70$@TAMCAB.COM>

Hello British Car Nuts,

 

Our next scheduled ride will be this coming Saturday the 22nd.

 

Maybe while the weathers still good we could go to the coast again.

I still haven't had a crab sandwich in Bodega Bay.

 

Or not.

 

If someone has a great idea and wants to set it forth please do so.

 

Otherwise we will meet at Bad Ass Coffee in Santa Rosa at 10am as usual.

 

Bring a full tank of gas, a chair and a lunch. Or not.

 

Happy Trails,

 

JOHN KENNER

 

5 acres

4 dogs

3 horses

2 daughters

1 wife

and some British Sports Cars.

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Sep 17 22:25:00 2012
From: hawkview at sonic.net (CLIF&DEB)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:25:00 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] LEMONS UPDATE
Message-ID: <0A0F169A-7E72-4F36-B37C-C55B77C2AC39@sonic.net>

Hi all.
Well we had a great 24 Hours of Lemons race at Thunderhill Raceway over the
weekend.
There were 185 teams entered.  We started the race in our non BBC car, a 1986
V6 Mustang.  We had blown our automatic at Buttonwillow and replaced it with a
5 speed .
Our drivers now consisted of Walter (some little yellow Austin thing), David
(hot rod JH), Michael (black TR4), Alan(a Porsche Turbo) guy and myself
(fantastic red JH).  And a support team of Deborah (the wife) as "PIT BOSS",
Mike for technical backup and Eric our newest and only true Crew member.
There were actually 190 teams signed up but Fridays practice and other events
cut the starting field to 166.  We started in 120th.  After one hour we had
moved up to 100th and then 87th and eventually our best position 42nd.  By the
end of the the first day 47th because of a black flag, in this case because of
a trip off track onto the infield.

And we hadn't broken anything.
That night we did a full service and while a few of us were out to dinner,
David added a couple of degrees of camber to the front end.
Next morning off again but only for an hour when Alan came in with brake
problems, a really bad vibration shaking the whole car.  We concluded the
rotors were overheating and warping them.  If we took it easy, no hard
braking, the problem would diminish but never go away.
Next was Walter and we really couldn't do much to improve our position.
We all pushed the car as hard as we could and the little V6 took all we gave
it.
Oh, please don't get the idea that this isn't real racing.  We were pushing
105 MPH, and some cars were doing 120 MPH.
I was given the honor of finishing the race and it was fantastic despite front
end that felt like a pogo stick when braking.  We actually measured the
temperature at 650 degrees.

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Sep 17 22:54:56 2012
From: hawkview at sonic.net (CLIF&DEB)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:54:56 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] LEMONS UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <0A0F169A-7E72-4F36-B37C-C55B77C2AC39@sonic.net>
References: <0A0F169A-7E72-4F36-B37C-C55B77C2AC39@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4B376309-C432-40D0-9FAC-07D2AFB46C7B@sonic.net>

Oops,  wasn't quit finished.  Will add is I get more info and maybe a couple
of photos.  I will add this now though... To a man, I think it was a lifetime
highlight.
Clif and Deborah. 74 JH

Sent from my iPod

On Sep 17, 2012, at 9:25 PM, CLIF&DEB <hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Hi all.
> Well we had a great 24 Hours of Lemons race at Thunderhill Raceway over the
> weekend.
> There were 185 teams entered.  We started the race in our non BBC car, a
1986
> V6 Mustang.  We had blown our automatic at Buttonwillow and replaced it with
a
> 5 speed .
> Our drivers now consisted of Walter (some little yellow Austin thing),
David
> (hot rod JH), Michael (black TR4), Alan(a Porsche Turbo) guy and myself
> (fantastic red JH).  And a support team of Deborah (the wife) as "PIT
BOSS",
> Mike for technical backup and Eric our newest and only true Crew member.
> There were actually 190 teams signed up but Fridays practice and other
events
> cut the starting field to 166.  We started in 120th.  After one hour we had
> moved up to 100th and then 87th and eventually our best position 42nd.  By
the
> end of the the first day 47th because of a black flag, in this case because
of
> a trip off track onto the infield.
>
> And we hadn't broken anything.
> That night we did a full service and while a few of us were out to dinner,
> David added a couple of degrees of camber to the front end.
> Next morning off again but only for an hour when Alan came in with brake
> problems, a really bad vibration shaking the whole car.  We concluded the
> rotors were overheating and warping them.  If we took it easy, no hard
> braking, the problem would diminish but never go away.
> Next was Walter and we really couldn't do much to improve our position.
> We all pushed the car as hard as we could and the little V6 took all we
gave
> it.
> Oh, please don't get the idea that this isn't real racing.  We were pushing
> 105 MPH, and some cars were doing 120 MPH.
> I was given the honor of finishing the race and it was fantastic despite
front
> end that felt like a pogo stick when braking.  We actually measured the
> temperature at 650 degrees.
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Tue Sep 18 00:20:00 2012
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:20:00 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] LEMONS UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <4B376309-C432-40D0-9FAC-07D2AFB46C7B@sonic.net>
References: <0A0F169A-7E72-4F36-B37C-C55B77C2AC39@sonic.net>
	<4B376309-C432-40D0-9FAC-07D2AFB46C7B@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <017c01cd9565$a33816d0$e9a84470$@sonic.net>

I have to echo Clif's sentiment - Thunderhill was one of the biggest thrills
of my life.  As was Sears Point this past Spring, which was even scarier
because of the driving rain.  Even though I went out for several laps on
open practice track Friday, to get familiar with the track and the newly
fixed up car, on Saturday before my turn behind the wheel, I had enough
butterflies in my stomach that I was sitting there feeling nauseous.   But
that immediately disappeared when I accelerated out the merge lane and into
the fray.  There's a *lot* of cars out there and driving solo, with  no one
close, only happens occasionally.  It takes a couple of laps to settle into
a rhythm and work up to a speed where I can start to sense the limits of the
car - the tires starting to squall and drift a bit and brakes starting to
get hot.  But then comes the 'Zone' where thoughts mostly disappear and that
instantaneous body sense takes over.  There is some thinking: there's a
slower car ahead and a faster one behind while coming into a corner so which
side should I pass on to maximize my exit speed for the next straight?  But
often, there's little time for analyzing and my hands and feet follow my
gut.  Eyes are for seeing what's happening all around and staying out of
trouble, but it's that body sense that tells me how fast I can go and how
hard I can push the car's limits.

Living in that Zone for a few hours is what I pay all that money and time
for.  

Plus, I guess, the fantastic thrill of making a clean pass of somebody with
a faster car because they chose the wrong line.  Or drafting a faster car.
Or working through a traffic jam at 80 mph with cars a foot away on either
side and I'm so close to the car in front of me that I can't see his rear
end while I try to find a way around him.  Or wheel to wheel back and forth
racing with another car of equal capability.  Or the exhausted joy I felt
Sunday afternoon after we'd actually finished our first race.  I slept the
sleep of the dead Sunday night.

Our car, as mediocre as it is (and the judges agree that we can never make a
Mustang like ours into a real winner), is finally getting sorted out.  Most
of the improvements are now made so now it's little tweaks and, I suppose,
building up a stash of spares for when stuff breaks.  Because stuff always
breaks.  But at Thunderhill, we'd worked our way up from 120th to 42nd
before things started to go wrong so it's handling pretty damn good for the
underpowered pig that it is.  

'Cept that we got soundly beat by a minivan driven by an old lady.  But
that's another story.

David

From mvg1 at att.net  Tue Sep 18 11:48:31 2012
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:48:31 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Lemons at ThunderHill
Message-ID: <00D25AC60B00422D98BC419C43BFA25D@mike>

To all of our members,

I would like to ADD my take to comments on our racing adventures this year. As
4 rookie racers,  with years of dailey driving experience, all over the age of
50 plus, but with little actual racing experience, and one with experience
racing motorcycles, we delved into the realm of taking a really low level
mediocre car, and built it into a what is now actually a pretty stout little
machine. It took a lot of time, money and hard lessons learned to get to a
point that we could actually race and be able to say did something real, we
finally finished a race. We are fortunate that our team members have what is
really somewhat limited technical knowledge to employ, but we did what we
could with what skill, knowledge and resources that we did have, Clif
Williamson  and Walter Kiltcher carried the bulk of the load in the areas of
design and fabrication and task management, Alan Norman, David Willson, and
myself contributed our various skills, knowledge, and efforts as needed and
available, our support group of Deb Williamson,  and Big Mike Whalen, all made
and kept what turned out to be a MAJOR commitment to continue our effort in
the face of some pretty tall adversities, driving in the rain at Searspoint,
blowing up a motor and tranny. Traveling to Buttonwillow Raceway down by
Bakersfield for a full 24 race again with rebuilt but un-tested motor and
tranny that failed after 15 or so laps, was removed and repaired to the tune
of 10 or so hours of hot, dirty, greasy hard work by the four drivers, only to
fail again at night after 5 more laps, day was done, with nothing left to do
but pack up and go home the next day after cheering on the finishing drivers
Sunday AM. After more repairs and replacing our automatic tranny with a
rebuilt T5 manual tranny, we headed to Thunder Hill near Redding this past
weekend to race once more, again with untested equipment, but to what end?

Despite the problems we had with brakes, suspension tires, etc. our team of
rookies, with our little V6 Mustang did the improbable, on Saturday we raced a
track that we had never seen before, dealt with all the problems that arose,
we all worked and supported each other through the event, and Sunday, with our
car surprisingly still running and performing, and one day of experience under
our belts, we were able to race comfortably, each driver establishing momentum
and confidence through the day, and for our level of experience, did very well
finishing 13th or 15th in our class B, and 52nd overall out of 166, 178, or
185 cars, however many there were, not bad for a bunch old British car buffs
with little to work with. With limited seat time, we all raced against a very
difficult up and down hill track with many severe turns, against drivers that
were faster and more experienced than us. I don't even need to close my eyes
to still see the white BMW that I followed up a hill into a hard left turn
about two inches from his rear bumper, down shifting to 2nd gear, over a blind
hill that drops to an offset left turn that if missed, you are off the track
in the dirt, downhill at 90 MPH, downshift into another hard left, to another
hard left, into a chicane that I managed to straighten out to go 100 plus mph
down another straightaway into a long fast sweeping right turn leading to the
long front straightaway, and onward, with cars at very close quarters
throughout. I know that this is Lemons, or CRAPCAN RACING, the budgets are
supposedly low, and the cars range from ugly to interesting, and the level of
commitment required is tremendous. As we formulated our team and our plans, we
called this a bucket list item, Clif called it a life time experience, but I
can truly say to all of you, it was not only a life time experience, bucket
list item, and insane idea and effort, for me it was a dream come true, that
became a personal best, an experience that I will remember and enjoy for the
rest of my life, and hopefully will continue for years to come. Personally,
this has been a very tough year for me, business is down, money is tight, I
have had a number of medical and physical issues, even lost a relative two
months ago, but this racing effort was therapy for me, breathing new strength
and vigor into me. I want to thank my team mates for their considerable
support and understanding, and enduring the problems I've had this year, and I
want to say to John Kenner, you should have had more patience. And to all of
you, the CSRG event is next month at Sonoma Raceway, and is actually a charity
event, at which all of you can donate a few bucks to ride as a passenger in a
spec race car at speed with an experienced driver, I have done this myself.
This is a simple but effective way to have a close encounter with real race
experience, and is well worth $50. If you have had thoughts of actually doing
some racing, but don't want to shoulder the time and expense alone, you will
find the Lemons series to be a CHEAP(?) but fun way to get started,
enlightening, exciting as hell, and there is a great deal of commradery and
help from other teams, it may even lead you to higher racing aspirations, my
advice, if you get the chance GO FOR IT. If nothing else, come out and watch
the Old Crows team race next season at Searspoint / Infineon / Sonoma Raceway,
share in the fun that we will be having.

Michael Gianandrea
64 TR4
Proud member of the OLD CROWS

From hawkview at sonic.net  Tue Sep 18 18:49:30 2012
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:49:30 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] LEMONS UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <017c01cd9565$a33816d0$e9a84470$@sonic.net>
References: <0A0F169A-7E72-4F36-B37C-C55B77C2AC39@sonic.net><4B376309-C432-40D0-9FAC-07D2AFB46C7B@sonic.net>
	<017c01cd9565$a33816d0$e9a84470$@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <9AAD69114D4A44ACABCC99ADC6A0D901@Williamson>

Only thing to say David...it ain't a pig, it's an old pony.


-----Original Message----- 
From: David Willson
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [NOBBC] LEMONS UPDATE

I have to echo Clif's sentiment - Thunderhill was one of the biggest thrills
of my life.  As was Sears Point this past Spring, which was even scarier
because of the driving rain.  Even though I went out for several laps on
open practice track Friday, to get familiar with the track and the newly
fixed up car, on Saturday before my turn behind the wheel, I had enough
butterflies in my stomach that I was sitting there feeling nauseous.   But
that immediately disappeared when I accelerated out the merge lane and into
the fray.  There's a *lot* of cars out there and driving solo, with  no one
close, only happens occasionally.  It takes a couple of laps to settle into
a rhythm and work up to a speed where I can start to sense the limits of the
car - the tires starting to squall and drift a bit and brakes starting to
get hot.  But then comes the 'Zone' where thoughts mostly disappear and that
instantaneous body sense takes over.  There is some thinking: there's a
slower car ahead and a faster one behind while coming into a corner so which
side should I pass on to maximize my exit speed for the next straight?  But
often, there's little time for analyzing and my hands and feet follow my
gut.  Eyes are for seeing what's happening all around and staying out of
trouble, but it's that body sense that tells me how fast I can go and how
hard I can push the car's limits.

Living in that Zone for a few hours is what I pay all that money and time
for.

Plus, I guess, the fantastic thrill of making a clean pass of somebody with
a faster car because they chose the wrong line.  Or drafting a faster car.
Or working through a traffic jam at 80 mph with cars a foot away on either
side and I'm so close to the car in front of me that I can't see his rear
end while I try to find a way around him.  Or wheel to wheel back and forth
racing with another car of equal capability.  Or the exhausted joy I felt
Sunday afternoon after we'd actually finished our first race.  I slept the
sleep of the dead Sunday night.

Our car, as mediocre as it is (and the judges agree that we can never make a
Mustang like ours into a real winner), is finally getting sorted out.  Most
of the improvements are now made so now it's little tweaks and, I suppose,
building up a stash of spares for when stuff breaks.  Because stuff always
breaks.  But at Thunderhill, we'd worked our way up from 120th to 42nd
before things started to go wrong so it's handling pretty damn good for the
underpowered pig that it is.

'Cept that we got soundly beat by a minivan driven by an old lady.  But
that's another story.

David
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From mowog at sonic.net  Tue Sep 18 19:04:02 2012
From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:04:02 -0700
Subject: [NOBBC] Lemons
Message-ID: <C32959A4-9123-47D7-946C-B12864B24A1A@sonic.net>

> I would like to ADD my take to comments on our racing adventures this year.

Mike. This is one of the most inspiring things written about motorsports that
I've read all year. You guys rock.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB