[Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's & Morgan's

Frank Morris morrisf at SIDWater.org
Fri Jul 8 10:27:39 MDT 2011 

Hi All:  I will be there for the drive and lunch.  See you all at the
Starbucks. I will be flying solo tomorrow and will be heading to Marin
Car and Boat show after lunch.

Cheers,

Frank Morris
63 Jag E OTS

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mel Cohen
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:35 AM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's & Morgan's

Can you handle one more Morgan and one lunch?

Also, is there any change of going to the Marin Yacht Club for the Car
Show
after lunch?

Mel Cohen, Morgan Plus 8

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On
Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:46 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's

Yes, lunch too.SArto

--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Andrew S. Doran <andrewdoran at berkeley.edu> wrote:

From: Andrew S. Doran <andrewdoran at berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Bud Alderson" <iralderson at comcast.net>
Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 8:37 AM

Yes for lunch

Andy
> Andy, For lunch too?  Please "reply all" so Bud can have  ahead count.
> Thanks, MaRty
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Andrew S. Doran
> <andrewdoran at berkeley.edu>wrote:
>
>> Andy, '79 Triumph Spitfire will be there.
>>
>>
>> > The more British diversity, the merrier!  Let us know officially if
>> you
>> > will
>> > be joining in so we can be prepared. Thanks.  Marty & Bud
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
>> > hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What about our Jensen Healey?
>> >> Clif and Deb
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: wendell bain
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:32 PM
>> >> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's
>> >>
>> >> Andrew,
>> >>
>> >> They already accepted Mike's TR-4 and my Morgan. You should fit
right
>> >> in.
>> >>
>> >> Wendell
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Andrew S. Doran wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  Mike,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to do the Novato ride but am worried I'm going to be
>> the
>> >>> only
>> >>> Triumph there!
>> >>>
>> >>> Since I live just across the San Rafael bridge both are tempting.
>> >>>
>> >>> Andrew
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  Is anyone interested in attending the car show at the San Rafael
>> >>> yacht
>> >>>> club?
>> >>>> Or is everyone interested in the MG run, and does anyone know
our
>> >>>> destination>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Michael
>> >>>> 64 TR4
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> >>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:43 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Speaking of MG's
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  I had forgotten about this. I think we should cancel our meet
at
>> Bad
>> >>>>> Ass
>> >>>>> and join this ride. Does anyone have any objections? If not see
>> you
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> 10AM
>> >>>>> in Novato.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ron
>> >>>>> 58 MGA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sheryl wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  I am re-sending an invite from MG Owners and Sorry Safari to
>> all...
>> >>>>>> The drive details are below - meet at Starbucks parking lot,
127
>> >>>>>> San
>> >>>>>> Marin Dr, Novato at 10:00am on the 9th.
>> >>>>>> Dennis and I are going on this drive - meeting 5 minutes from
>> home
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> too
>> >>>>>> good to pass up, plus should be a very nice drive.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sheryl & Dennis
>> >>>>>> 1976 MGB x2
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> >>>>>> From: Martin Sinai Rayman <drmartyrayman at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> >>>>>> Cc: Bud Alderson <iralderson at comcast.net>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 8:48:56 AM
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speaking of MG's
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> *It started as the MGOC & Sorry Safari but Bud and I decided
to
>> >>>>>> open
>> >>>>>> it
>> >>>>>> up
>> >>>>>> to all Brits.  There will be a concours elegant Austin Healey
>> along
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> drive (Bob Griffin -Tiburon).  It's rare that I get to motor
>> with
>> >>>>>> NOBCC
>> >>>>>> but
>> >>>>>> each time I have, it's always been a hoot.  I did love the
drive
>> to
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> Drake's Bay Oyster Co. a cupla years ago on a July 4th.
>> >>>>>> I do have an extra MG medallion if you want to borrow it!
Marty*
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Mike Gianandrea
<mvg1 at att.net>
>> >>>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>  Hi Marty,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Are non MG's invited on this ride? Or would I have to put an
MG
>> >>>>>>> medalion
>> >>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>> my Triumph?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Michael
>> >>>>>>> 64 TR4
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sinai Rayman" <
>> >>>>>>> drmartyrayman at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:04 AM
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speaking of MG's
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> *FYI from Marty Rayman, '53 TD
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Summer West Marin Tour
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Saturday, July 9
>> >>>>>>>> Novato
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jointly Sponsored by MGOC and SSTS*
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Summer never gets better than driving an MG through West
>> Marin,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> Bud
>> >>>>>>>> Alderson
>> >>>>>>>> and Marty Rayman have put together a fun tour to do just
that.
>> >>>>>>>> Leaving
>> >>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>> Novato,
>> >>>>>>>> we will head west past Stafford Lake, take a scenic drive
over
>> >>>>>>>> Wilson
>> >>>>>>>> Hill,
>> >>>>>>>> and follow
>> >>>>>>>> the Chileno Valley Road through dairyland to Tomales Bay and
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> Panoramic
>> >>>>>>>> Highway
>> >>>>>>>> (Highway 1). In Point Reyes Station, we ll stop for a 45
minute
>> >>>>>>>> look-around
>> >>>>>>>> and cheese
>> >>>>>>>> sampling at The Cowgirl Creamery (noted for award-winning
>> organic
>> >>>>>>>> cheese
>> >>>>>>>> making).
>> >>>>>>>> (Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall, while exploring
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> Marin
>> >>>>>>>> area
>> >>>>>>>> organic
>> >>>>>>>> industry and culture, stopped by the Creamery in 2006.)
>> >>>>>>>> We will continue on to lunch at the historic Olema Inn, a
>> >>>>>>>> stagecoach
>> >>>>>>>> stop
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> gathering place for loggers, ranchers, and farmers in the
late
>> >>>>>>>> 1800s.
>> >>>>>>>> Come
>> >>>>>>>> visit with old
>> >>>>>>>> MG friends, and make some new ones.
>> >>>>>>>> There are several scenic routes back to Highway 101   have
>> your
>> >>>>>>>> pick:
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> quickest is
>> >>>>>>>> Sir Francis Drake Boulevard to San Rafael; for the curvy
>> route,
>> >>>>>>>> follow
>> >>>>>>>> Marty
>> >>>>>>>> back over
>> >>>>>>>> Bolinas Fairfax Road; or follow Bud on spectacular
ocean-view
>> >>>>>>>> tour
>> >>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>> Shoreline Drive
>> >>>>>>>> (Highway1) past Stinson Beach into Mill Valley. The total
>> driving
>> >>>>>>>> time
>> >>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>> Novato
>> >>>>>>>> back to 101 will be about two and a half hours.
>> >>>>>>>> When and Where: Meet at 10:00 am at Starbucks parking lot at
>> 127
>> >>>>>>>> San
>> >>>>>>>> Marin
>> >>>>>>>> Drive in
>> >>>>>>>> Novato, about a mile west of Highway 101 (take the San Marin
>> >>>>>>>> Drive
>> >>>>>>>> Exit).
>> >>>>>>>> Directions: Take 101 north though San Rafael to Novato, or
>> >>>>>>>> Highway
>> >>>>>>>> 37
>> >>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>> the East
>> >>>>>>>> Bay to Highway 101. Exit on San Marin Drive, which is the
last
>> >>>>>>>> Novato
>> >>>>>>>> exit.
>> >>>>>>>> Head west.
>> >>>>>>>> Starbucks is about a mile down on the right hand side.
>> >>>>>>>> Cost: No fees. We lunch together and can order individually
>> from
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> Olema
>> >>>>>>>> Inn s lunch
>> >>>>>>>> menu   they will prepare separate checks. For this
>> convenience,
>> >>>>>>>> please
>> >>>>>>>> honor
>> >>>>>>>> the group
>> >>>>>>>> gratuity rate.
>> >>>>>>>> Please RSVP to Bud Alderson at 415-497-7669 or
>> >>>>>>>> iralderson at comcast.net;
>> >>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>> Marty
>> >>>>>>>> Rayman at 415-454-5756 or DrMartyRayman at gmail.com.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Greg Tatarian
>> >>>>>>>> <gtwincams at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Clif,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  Thanks for passing this along, particularly interesting
>> because
>> >>>>>>>>> it's
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> local car. Not sure who the owner is, as I haven't seen the
>> car
>> >>>>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>>>> any
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>> our Lotus club events.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It always worries me to see so few pictures in an eBay
>> listing,
>> >>>>>>>>> especially
>> >>>>>>>>> poor quality ones. The description also doesn't say
anything
>> >>>>>>>>> useful.
>> >>>>>>>>> What
>> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> see in the photos shows the Stromberg head has been swapped
>> out
>> >>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> Weber
>> >>>>>>>>> head, which some prefer, and it's got an aftermarket
aluminum
>> >>>>>>>>> radiator,
>> >>>>>>>>> headers, small alternator, the engine bay looks pretty
nice,
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> it's
>> >>>>>>>>> got
>> >>>>>>>>> sticky tires, but the seller admits the exterior is only
OK.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The devil is in the details with these cars - body, paint,
>> >>>>>>>>> interior
>> >>>>>>>>> materials and some fittings are very expensive. The price
is
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>> only
>> >>>>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  top for the model, but I've never even seen an S4 at this
>> price.
>> >>>>>>>> An
>> >>>>>>>>> earlier
>> >>>>>>>>> car (S1-S3) in concours condition can command this figure,
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>> course
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  true race car versions are in the quarter-million territory
>> now,
>> >>>>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>>> S4
>> >>>>>>>>> in the condition this appears to be in should sell for
maybe
>> >>>>>>>>> $20-25k,
>> >>>>>>>>> less
>> >>>>>>>>> if there are issues.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There have been lots of interesting cars highlighted on
Bring
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> Trailer
>> >>>>>>>>> recently - guess now we're in the summer, sellers are
active.
>> >>>>>>>>> Here's
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> recent BGT...
>> >>>>>>>>>
http://bringatrailer.com/2011/******06/13/bargain-driver-1-<
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2011/****06/13/bargain-driver-1->**owner-**<
>> >>>>>>>>> http://**bringatrailer.com/2011/**06/**13/bargain-<
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2011/**06/13/bargain->driver-1-owner-**>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 1974-mgb-gt/<http://**bringatr**ailer.com/2011/06/13/**<
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2011/06/13/**>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> bargain-driver-1-owner-1974-<h**ttp://bringatrailer.com/<
>> http://bringatrailer.com/>2011/06/13/bargain-driver-1-
>> >>>>>>>> **owner-1974->
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> mgb-gt/>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  And Clif - in case you need a parts car...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/******sby/cto/<
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/****sby/cto/>2450180023.html<
>> >>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.**craigslist.org/**sby/cto/<
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/**sby/cto/>2450180023.html>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  <http:/**/sfbay.craigslist <http://sfbay.craigslist>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> .org/sby/cto/2450180023.html>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  seems cheap.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>> Greg
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/21/2011 12:38 AM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There is what appears to be a really nice Lotus Elan for
sale
>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>  Oakland.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Check it out:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/******ebaymotors/Lotus-1969-Elan-S4-****<
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/****ebaymotors/Lotus-1969-Elan-S4-**>
>> >>>>>>>>>> **
>> >>>>>>>>>>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/****ebaymotors/Lotus-1969-Elan-S4-****<
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Lotus-1969-Elan-S4-**>
>> >>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> /320717503578?pt=US_Cars_******Trucks&hash=item4aac40bc5a<**htt**
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> p://cgi.ebay.com/eba <http://cgi.ebay.com/eba>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ymotors/Lotus-1969-Elan-S4-/****320717503578?pt=US_Cars_**
>> >>>>>>>> Trucks&hash=item4aac40bc5
>> >>>>>>>> a>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>  Clif 74 JH
>> >>>>>>>>>
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