From nobbc at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 11:05:08 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:05:08 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Postpone todays ride
Message-ID: <4D1F6CD4.6030101@sonic.net>

Happy New Year! It's 10 AM, still raining at my house and the forecast 
looks bad for the rest of the day so let's postpone today and go 
tomorrow. It should be clear though cool.

Sunday, Noon, Bad Ass. I hope you all check your email in time!

Ron
58 MGA

From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 11:15:01 2011
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:15:01 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <4D1E1E48.4050809@sonic.net>
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I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been raining
on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break at
noon!

Dawson



On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:

> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but does
> look good for Sunday.
>
> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 12:01:20 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:01:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinO=FhO-vBmvCFwYFBcHf8rNc=jT51SysMCB9L2@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all 
right at Noon!

Ron
58 MGA

Dawson Church wrote:

> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been raining
> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break at
> noon!
> 
> Dawson
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but does
>>look good for Sunday.
>>
>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>
>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>
>>Ron
>>58 MGA
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From mvg1 at att.net  Sat Jan  1 14:01:20 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:01:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
References: <4D1E1E48.4050809@sonic.net><AANLkTinO=FhO-vBmvCFwYFBcHf8rNc=jT51SysMCB9L2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D1F7A00.7060008@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5AB69FBD5569438592A4B969B6D831A4@mike>

No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a 
little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I 
just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me a 
wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me 
feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR would 
probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics 
if there are any

Michael
64 TR4


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride


> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all 
> right at Noon!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Dawson Church wrote:
>
>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been 
>> raining
>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break 
>> at
>> noon!
>>
>> Dawson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but 
>>>does
>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>
>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>
>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>
>>>Ron
>>>58 MGA
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From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  1 14:22:54 2011
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:22:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <5AB69FBD5569438592A4B969B6D831A4@mike>
References: <4D1E1E48.4050809@sonic.net><AANLkTinO=FhO-vBmvCFwYFBcHf8rNc=jT51SysMCB9L2@mail.gmail.com><4D1F7A00.7060008@sonic.net>
	<5AB69FBD5569438592A4B969B6D831A4@mike>
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?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry 
those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.

In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That 
would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.

See you all,
Tim
1958 Red 'un MGA

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me a
wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR would
probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
if there are any

Michael
64 TR4


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride


> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all 
> right at Noon!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Dawson Church wrote:
>
>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been 
>> raining
>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break 
>> at
>> noon!
>>
>> Dawson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but 
>>>does
>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>
>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>
>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>
>>>Ron
>>>58 MGA
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jan  1 15:09:33 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:09:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un" brew
in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited history
on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.

A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
Year!

Cheers,

Frank and Candace

P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out the
bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.

In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.

See you all,
Tim
1958 Red 'un MGA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me a
wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR would
probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
if there are any

Michael
64 TR4


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride


> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> right at Noon!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Dawson Church wrote:
>
>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>> raining
>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>> at
>> noon!
>>
>> Dawson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>does
>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>
>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>
>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>
>>>Ron
>>>58 MGA
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>>>Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From liamof at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  1 15:15:51 2011
From: liamof at earthlink.net (Liam O'Flaherty)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:15:51 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Year Ride
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_njzimKRVxHJbThkd5rA6AtmBxCKEsYayTC9U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D1CD083.2090104@sonic.net>
	<BACB4557-CF64-4143-9A21-374A1F1A5EA8@mac.com>
	<4D1D1196.8000804@sonic.net>
	<F0CE6B1D-7A20-4C1D-905E-2913C095C4F5@mac.com>
	<4D1D2C30.9050203@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <3C44EF1F-8F26-4E69-9E33-6621CB2A1C90@earthlink.net>

Hey guys and gals,
Just saw this youTube video highlighting the mg thing  this summer in Reno.
Good video for a rainy day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkzSuA_MBYk

Liam
56 mga


On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Dawson Church wrote:

> Hey, when it comes to strangers with glorious cars, and my friends with
cars
> I know well, it's no contest! The friends win. NOBBC is the most affable
> club in the known universe, and I LOVE the opportunity to hang out, exhibit
> my mechanical ignorance, and drive with everyone!
>
> BTW, if tonight's gas tank install goes as planned (an oxymoron if, ever
> there was one, when it comes to UK cars) I may have a surprise on Saturday.
>
> Dawson
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I see, thought it was a "driving" event but it is an event for MGOC
>> members (I never joined but probably should).
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>>
>> MarkDarley wrote:
>>
>> Ron,
>>>
>>> Scroll down. The details were below.
>>>
>>> MarkDarleyPhoto.com
>>> Cell 415-310-5252
>>> Sent from location.
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, What is the MGOC meet that day and do you know the details?
>>>> Perhaps Nobbc can join them.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Mark Darley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>> Note the rival MGOC meet on Jan 15th.  The weather may decide it  for
>>>>> me.  If it is raining, eating and drinking may win out.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope you have been having a wonderful holiday season. This is   just
>>>>>> a quick reminder about the upcoming Annual Banquet at Hs   Lordships at
the
>>>>>> Berkeley Marina on Saturday, January 15. Instead   of our traditional
>>>>>> dinner, we're having a buffet luncheon this   year. We're starting and
11:30
>>>>>> am and continuing to 3:30 pm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a no-host bar, delicious and plentiful food,   beautiful
>>>>>> views of San Francisco Bay, and of course, your friends   from the
MGOC. And
>>>>>> what's more, this year the club is heavily   subsidizing the event -
the
>>>>>> cost to you is a scant $15.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine, just $15 per person!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to let Hs Lordships know how many will be attending, so
>>>>>> please RSVP right away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please email your RSVP to swg3 at comcast.net and mail your check   (made
>>>>>> out to"MGOC") to Sam Gearhart:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Gearhart
>>>>>> 3521 Randolph Ave.
>>>>>> Oakland, CA 94602
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Darley
>>>>> markdarley at mac.com
>>>>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>>>>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year everyone! It looks a possibility our New Years Day
>>>>>> ride on Saturday may get rained upon. We'll meet at noon at Bad  Ass
if it
>>>>>> is not raining so keep your fingers crossed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our regular January ride should happen on the 15th, weather
>>>>>> permitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
> --
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 15:26:09 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:26:09 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <5AB69FBD5569438592A4B969B6D831A4@mike>
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	<4D1F7A00.7060008@sonic.net> <5AB69FBD5569438592A4B969B6D831A4@mike>
Message-ID: <4D1FAA01.6050408@sonic.net>

Heh, one memorable club ride over the Hopland grade turned me off to 
rain riding. It started pouring buckets to the point that it hurt when 
it hit then to make matters worse, the windshield wipers died. I still 
had a grin on my face (or was it a grimace?) though.

I rarely ever put my top up or in the car for that matter. It lives in 
the rafters of the garage. I do have a hard top that needs some 
fiberglass work, new rubber and window that I swear I'll get around to 
one of these years!

Mike, heal from your surgery and join the mid month drive if you are 
able. I was unable to drive for a couple of months following my last two 
surgeries because of the residual effects of the anesthesia.

Ron
58 MGA

Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a 
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. 
> I just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. 
> Call me a wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon 
> yesterday left me feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the 
> passneger seat of my TR would probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have 
> a good ride tomorrow, post pics if there are any
> 
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> 
> 
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be 
>> all right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been 
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a 
>>> break at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride 
>>>> but does
>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the 
>>>> ride
>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 15:28:00 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:28:00 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Year Ride
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And some very sweet British rides at Barrett Jackson in a couple of weeks.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.aspx?aid=403&sd=01/17/2011&ed=01/24/2011
Anybody going?
Sure hope we can get out for a few miles tomorrow!
Clif and Deborah  74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Liam O'Flaherty
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:15 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Year Ride

Hey guys and gals,
Just saw this youTube video highlighting the mg thing  this summer in Reno.
Good video for a rainy day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkzSuA_MBYk

Liam
56 mga


On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Dawson Church wrote:

> Hey, when it comes to strangers with glorious cars, and my friends with
cars
> I know well, it's no contest! The friends win. NOBBC is the most affable
> club in the known universe, and I LOVE the opportunity to hang out, 
> exhibit
> my mechanical ignorance, and drive with everyone!
>
> BTW, if tonight's gas tank install goes as planned (an oxymoron if, ever
> there was one, when it comes to UK cars) I may have a surprise on 
> Saturday.
>
> Dawson
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I see, thought it was a "driving" event but it is an event for MGOC
>> members (I never joined but probably should).
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>>
>> MarkDarley wrote:
>>
>> Ron,
>>>
>>> Scroll down. The details were below.
>>>
>>> MarkDarleyPhoto.com
>>> Cell 415-310-5252
>>> Sent from location.
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, What is the MGOC meet that day and do you know the details?
>>>> Perhaps Nobbc can join them.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Mark Darley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>> Note the rival MGOC meet on Jan 15th.  The weather may decide it  for
>>>>> me.  If it is raining, eating and drinking may win out.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope you have been having a wonderful holiday season. This is 
>>>>> just
>>>>>> a quick reminder about the upcoming Annual Banquet at Hs   Lordships 
>>>>>> at
the
>>>>>> Berkeley Marina on Saturday, January 15. Instead   of our traditional
>>>>>> dinner, we're having a buffet luncheon this   year. We're starting 
>>>>>> and
11:30
>>>>>> am and continuing to 3:30 pm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be a no-host bar, delicious and plentiful food, 
>>>>>> beautiful
>>>>>> views of San Francisco Bay, and of course, your friends   from the
MGOC. And
>>>>>> what's more, this year the club is heavily   subsidizing the event -
the
>>>>>> cost to you is a scant $15.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine, just $15 per person!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to let Hs Lordships know how many will be attending, so
>>>>>> please RSVP right away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please email your RSVP to swg3 at comcast.net and mail your check 
>>>>>> (made
>>>>>> out to"MGOC") to Sam Gearhart:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Gearhart
>>>>>> 3521 Randolph Ave.
>>>>>> Oakland, CA 94602
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Darley
>>>>> markdarley at mac.com
>>>>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>>>>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year everyone! It looks a possibility our New Years Day
>>>>>> ride on Saturday may get rained upon. We'll meet at noon at Bad  Ass
if it
>>>>>> is not raining so keep your fingers crossed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our regular January ride should happen on the 15th, weather
>>>>>> permitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 16:26:31 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:26:31 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
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Hi Frank,

Yes, only it's name is Old Speckled Hen. Good stuff. They have it on tap
at The Englander Pub in San Leandro. The tap handle at The Englander
has an octagon on it. I think way back in the 30's they might have been
a sponsor of the MG Factory Racing Team, along with Cream Crackers.
Hope this helps. For more info, go to this link on Google.

Old Speckled Hen - Greene King / Morland Brewery - Suffolk, United ...

Cheers,



Wendell



On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
> Hen "Un" brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
> limited history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to  
> admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
> prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing  
> out the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
> wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche  
> (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
> Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
> weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
> top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.  
> Call me a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
> left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my  
> TR would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
> post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may  
>> be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>> weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have  
>>> a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt  
>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>> ride but
>>>> does
>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have  
>>>> the ride
>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 16:29:58 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:29:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Postpone todays ride
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Hi Ron,

Let's hope the weather clears up by noon tomorrow. It was a pretty wet
New Year's on the Anti-Football Run. Still Martin got around 70 cars.
NOT my Morgan. I was a wimp in the ol' Dodge Dakota.

Hope I can make it tomorrow.

Wendell
59 Morgan

On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Happy New Year! It's 10 AM, still raining at my house and the  
> forecast looks bad for the rest of the day so let's postpone today  
> and go tomorrow. It should be clear though cool.
>
> Sunday, Noon, Bad Ass. I hope you all check your email in time!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jan  1 16:55:07 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:55:07 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
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Aye, right you are..."Auld" Speckled Un at that! Great commemeration of MGs at
Abingdon. HopMonk Restaurant in Sonoma had it on tap in octagon logo pint
glasses and then I found it in cans at BevMo for New Years Eve. Nitrogen
cartridge like Guiness draught.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 15:26:31 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

Hi Frank,

Yes, only it's name is Old Speckled Hen. Good stuff. They have it on tap
at The Englander Pub in San Leandro. The tap handle at The Englander
has an octagon on it. I think way back in the 30's they might have been
a sponsor of the MG Factory Racing Team, along with Cream Crackers.
Hope this helps. For more info, go to this link on Google.

Old Speckled Hen - Greene King / Morland Brewery - Suffolk, United ...

Cheers,



Wendell



On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
> Hen "Un" brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
> limited history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
> admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
> prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing
> out the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
> wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
> (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
> Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
> weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
> top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
> Call me a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
> left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
> TR would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
> post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>> be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>> weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>> a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>> ride but
>>>> does
>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>> the ride
>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  1 16:59:10 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:59:10 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
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	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one month
ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?  

It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to get
one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
from the internet.

The story of "Old Speckled Hen"

"Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the
MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which was
used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered
in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned into
"Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.

Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste and
fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
the hunt for his Hen.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Frank Morris
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
brew
in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
history
on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.

A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
Year!

Cheers,

Frank and Candace

P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out the
bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.

In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.

See you all,
Tim
1958 Red 'un MGA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me a
wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR would
probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
if there are any

Michael
64 TR4


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride


> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> right at Noon!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Dawson Church wrote:
>
>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>> raining
>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>> at
>> noon!
>>
>> Dawson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>does
>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>
>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>
>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>
>>>Ron
>>>58 MGA
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jan  1 17:29:05 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:29:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
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Hopmonk of Sonoma is 691 Broadway as you come into town, on left as you come
directly towards City Hall. Newly refurbished place that would be great for a
NoBBCC gathering. "What could be more rewarding than finding a local hen
house?" "Excellent, A hen party!". All slogans from the Morland (now Greene
King) Brewers of Abingdon.

----- Original Message -----
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To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 15:59:10 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one month
ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?

It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to get
one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
from the internet.

The story of "Old Speckled Hen"

"Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the
MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which was
used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered
in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned into
"Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.

Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste and
fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
the hunt for his Hen.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Frank Morris
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
brew
in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
history
on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.

A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
Year!

Cheers,

Frank and Candace

P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out the
bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.

In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.

See you all,
Tim
1958 Red 'un MGA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me a
wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR would
probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
if there are any

Michael
64 TR4


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride


> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> right at Noon!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Dawson Church wrote:
>
>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>> raining
>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>> at
>> noon!
>>
>> Dawson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>does
>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>
>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>
>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>
>>>Ron
>>>58 MGA
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From mewgull at sonic.net  Sat Jan  1 20:00:06 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:00:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Off Topic  -   re Speckled Hen and MGs
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Don't know anything about Speckled Hen in relation to the Morris  
Garage crowd but I have sampled it a number of times in the UK.
It seems to be especially popular in Devon and Dorset.  Many pubs  
around Torquay have it... at least those that have "real" ale.
Speckled Hen IS a real ale.  That is to say that its brewing conforms  
to the CAMRA ideals: traditional ale, made with real malt (rather than  
malt extract), natural carbonation, etc.
It's good stuff but by no means is it among the best of the real  
ales.   I'm particularly fond of the stuff brewed by Adnams of  
Southwold in Suffolk.

Now... what was the question?

Gerry

PS CAMRA is the Campaign for real ale....  a great organization that  
is now nearly 40 years old.  The founders were annoyed about the  
influx of what Brits refer to as "fizzy beer".... you know, the  
typical kind made by the big brewers on this side of the pond.  Check  
'em out, they're a valuable asset when in England and looking for a  
proper pint.


On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen  
> "Un" brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
> limited history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to  
> admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
> prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing  
> out the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
> wander. F.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jan  1 20:28:36 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:28:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Off Topic  -   re Speckled Hen and MGs
In-Reply-To: <15F34D7E-505B-43A2-AF87-A138ACDE6AE7@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B371@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

That was enlightening Gerry. It all ties in with the brewery in Abingdon where
MG was made and celebrating 50 years of MG and naming a brew in honor of a
fabric covered factory runabout that was spattered wit paint and hence called
the "ol spreckled un"...which became Old Speckeled Hen.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 19:00:06 2011
Subject: [Nobbc] Off Topic  -   re Speckled Hen and MGs

Don't know anything about Speckled Hen in relation to the Morris
Garage crowd but I have sampled it a number of times in the UK.
It seems to be especially popular in Devon and Dorset.  Many pubs
around Torquay have it... at least those that have "real" ale.
Speckled Hen IS a real ale.  That is to say that its brewing conforms
to the CAMRA ideals: traditional ale, made with real malt (rather than
malt extract), natural carbonation, etc.
It's good stuff but by no means is it among the best of the real
ales.   I'm particularly fond of the stuff brewed by Adnams of
Southwold in Suffolk.

Now... what was the question?

Gerry

PS CAMRA is the Campaign for real ale....  a great organization that
is now nearly 40 years old.  The founders were annoyed about the
influx of what Brits refer to as "fizzy beer".... you know, the
typical kind made by the big brewers on this side of the pond.  Check
'em out, they're a valuable asset when in England and looking for a
proper pint.


On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen
> "Un" brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
> limited history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
> admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
> prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing
> out the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
> wander. F.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  1 20:36:02 2011
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:36:02 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
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?Wikipedia link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Speckled_Hen

Morelands is the Abingdon brewery. And the ale would NOT have been drunk 
with the aid of the "Guiness widget" when originally introduced!

Best to go over to the UK and have the real stuff.....

Tim

-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Morris
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:55 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

Aye, right you are..."Auld" Speckled Un at that! Great commemeration of MGs 
at
Abingdon. HopMonk Restaurant in Sonoma had it on tap in octagon logo pint
glasses and then I found it in cans at BevMo for New Years Eve. Nitrogen
cartridge like Guiness draught.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 15:26:31 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride

Hi Frank,

Yes, only it's name is Old Speckled Hen. Good stuff. They have it on tap
at The Englander Pub in San Leandro. The tap handle at The Englander
has an octagon on it. I think way back in the 30's they might have been
a sponsor of the MG Factory Racing Team, along with Cream Crackers.
Hope this helps. For more info, go to this link on Google.

Old Speckled Hen - Greene King / Morland Brewery - Suffolk, United ...

Cheers,



Wendell



On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
> Hen "Un" brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
> limited history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
> admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
> prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing
> out the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
> wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
> (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
> Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
> weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
> top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
> Call me a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
> left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
> TR would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
> post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>> be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>> weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>> a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>> ride but
>>>> does
>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>> the ride
>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From markdarley at mac.com  Sat Jan  1 23:13:05 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:13:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
In-Reply-To: <bay126-ds118F137686E266CAD9C260D8060@phx.gbl>
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	<bay126-ds118F137686E266CAD9C260D8060@phx.gbl>
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Tim,

Two weeks from now the Mill Valley Beerworks http://millvalleybeerworks.com/ 
  will be hand pumping Old Speckled Hen from their cellar.  The  
current pint is excellent.  The hand pumped pint will be even better.   
My MGA can frequently be found within a short distance refueling.

Yes, a rather wet drive today on the Anti-Football Run from Sausalito  
over Mount Tam where the visiblilty in the fog/cloud was reduced to  
less than 15 yards at times.  I was glad to know that the Alfa behind  
me had fog lights, reducing the odds of having him rear end me.

These will give all of you an idea of the fog in the redwoods at the  
northern end of the Bolinas Ridge Rd:
http://galleries.markdarleyphoto.com/Anti_Football_Run/




Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Tim Thresh wrote:

> ?Wikipedia link
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Speckled_Hen
>
> Morelands is the Abingdon brewery. And the ale would NOT have been  
> drunk with the aid of the "Guiness widget" when originally introduced!
>
> Best to go over to the UK and have the real stuff.....
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Morris
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:55 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> Aye, right you are..."Auld" Speckled Un at that! Great commemeration  
> of MGs at
> Abingdon. HopMonk Restaurant in Sonoma had it on tap in octagon logo  
> pint
> glasses and then I found it in cans at BevMo for New Years Eve.  
> Nitrogen
> cartridge like Guiness draught.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 15:26:31 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Yes, only it's name is Old Speckled Hen. Good stuff. They have it on  
> tap
> at The Englander Pub in San Leandro. The tap handle at The Englander
> has an octagon on it. I think way back in the 30's they might have  
> been
> a sponsor of the MG Factory Racing Team, along with Cream Crackers.
> Hope this helps. For more info, go to this link on Google.
>
> Old Speckled Hen - Greene King / Morland Brewery - Suffolk, United ...
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Wendell
>
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Frank Morris wrote:
>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
>> Hen "Un" brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
>> limited history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
>> admit I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
>> prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing
>> out the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
>> wander. F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
>> (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
>> Ron! That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
>> weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
>> top up. I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
>> Call me a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
>> left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
>> TR would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
>> post pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>>> be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>>> weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>>> a break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>>> ride but
>>>>> does
>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>>> the ride
>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
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From mvg1 at att.net  Sat Jan  1 23:17:02 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:17:02 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>

Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some 
John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one month
> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>
> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to get
> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
> from the internet.
>
> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>
> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of 
> the
> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which 
> was
> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered
> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned 
> into
> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>
> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste 
> and
> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
> the hunt for his Hen.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Frank Morris
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
> brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out 
> the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me 
> a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR 
> would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>does
>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>58 MGA
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From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  2 10:31:34 2011
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:31:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
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	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
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?It seems that John Courage may have disappeared into the maws of the 
"Fosters Lager" Group. The nearest available (and a poor imitation of a 
bitter) would be JOHN SMITH's

See  http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Courage_(brewery)

By the way: Further to mine about putting up the top, it is too wet today 
for me and my (aging) Pirelli XzX tires. Perhaps for Valentines week-end it 
will be drier?

Tim
1958 Red 'un

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one month
> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>
> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to get
> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
> from the internet.
>
> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>
> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of 
> the
> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which 
> was
> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered
> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned 
> into
> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>
> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste 
> and
> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
> the hunt for his Hen.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Frank Morris
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
> brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out 
> the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me 
> a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR 
> would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>does
>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>58 MGA
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  2 13:08:56 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:08:56 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
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	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
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Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there for
Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some 
John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one month
> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>
> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to get
> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
> from the internet.
>
> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>
> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of 
> the
> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which 
> was
> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get spattered
> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned 
> into
> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>
> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste 
> and
> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
> the hunt for his Hen.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Frank Morris
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
> brew
> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> history
> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit I
> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>
> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
> Year!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank and Candace
>
> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out 
> the
> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>
> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! That
> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>
> See you all,
> Tim
> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. I
> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call me

> a
> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR 
> would
> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post pics
> if there are any
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>
>
>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>> right at Noon!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>
>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>> raining
>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a break
>>> at
>>> noon!
>>>
>>> Dawson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>does
>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>
>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the ride
>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>
>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>58 MGA
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  2 13:30:33 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>

"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]

From apexbrit2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 13:45:59 2011
From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:45:59 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1SyeeGgEzN0V2BTaLFW20JVW4M3oQVm0gvc10@mail.gmail.com>

Bottle Barn has a great selection and might know where to find John courage.
They don't list it in their keg section.

http://www.bottlebarn.com/beer.shtml

Cheers, Robin

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there for
> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
> > Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
> month
> > ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> > they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
> >
> > It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> > since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> > Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
> get
> > one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
> > from the internet.
> >
> > The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
> >
> > "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
> > the
> > MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
> > was
> > used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> > Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
> spattered
> > in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
> > into
> > "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
> >
> > Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
> > and
> > fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
> > the hunt for his Hen.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Frank Morris
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >
> > Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
> > brew
> > in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> > history
> > on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
> I
> > liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
> >
> > A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
> > Year!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Frank and Candace
> >
> > P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
> > the
> > bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
> F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> > To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >
> > ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> > those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
> >
> > In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
> That
> > would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
> >
> > See you all,
> > Tim
> > 1958 Red 'un MGA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Gianandrea
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >
> > No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> > little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
> I
> > just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
> me
>
> > a
> > wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> > feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
> > would
> > probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
> pics
> > if there are any
> >
> > Michael
> > 64 TR4
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> > To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >
> >
> >> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> >> right at Noon!
> >>
> >> Ron
> >> 58 MGA
> >>
> >> Dawson Church wrote:
> >>
> >>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
> >>> raining
> >>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
> >>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
> break
> >>> at
> >>> noon!
> >>>
> >>> Dawson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
> >>>>does
> >>>>look good for Sunday.
> >>>>
> >>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
> ride
> >>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
> >>>>
> >>>>Happy New Year everyone!
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>>58 MGA
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Nobbc at autox.team.net
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> >> _______________________________________________
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From cuthroat at live.com  Sun Jan  2 14:08:37 2011
From: cuthroat at live.com (Cuthroat - Mel Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:08:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>

Al -
I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live there.
Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love the
City.
For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
place for this type of statement.
Mel Cohen

> From: algarber at hotmail.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
> Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sun Jan  2 15:12:26 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:12:26 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car Club Rules
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>
	<SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000c01cbaaca$2499dc50$6dcd94f0$@com>

"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner

I like the quote myself. As I remember the only rule in our club is that
there are no rules!!

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cuthroat - Mel Cohen
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 1:09 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)

Al -
I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live there.
Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love the
City.
For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
place for this type of statement.
Mel Cohen

> From: algarber at hotmail.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
> Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
> _______________________________________________
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  2 15:29:59 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>

Mel Cohen -
    That is a signature on my email and not intended as a statement for the
club. There was a jpeg attached that was intended that obviously did not
attach.



"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: cuthroat at live.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:08:37 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> Al -
> I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live
there.
> Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love
the
> City.
> For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
> place for this type of statement.
> Mel Cohen
>
> > From: algarber at hotmail.com
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
> > Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
> >
> > "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> > Kantner
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sun Jan  2 15:39:15 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:39:15 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
	<SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01cbaacd$e3611880$aa234980$@com>

Al,

attachments don't work on our email system.

You have to put in a link for people to go to.



JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Al Garber
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 2:30 PM
To: NOBBCC
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)

Mel Cohen -
    That is a signature on my email and not intended as a statement for the
club. There was a jpeg attached that was intended that obviously did not
attach.



"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: cuthroat at live.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:08:37 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> Al -
> I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live
there.
> Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love
the
> City.
> For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
> place for this type of statement.
> Mel Cohen
>
> > From: algarber at hotmail.com
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
> > Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
> >
> > "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ...........
Paul
> > Kantner
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
> > _______________________________________________
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 15:59:37 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:59:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>
	<SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D210359.8010906@sonic.net>

The list is text only...HTML and attachments are stripped off. If you 
want us to see the image (and I think we all want to see it now :-0), 
you'll have to post a link to it or post it on a picture site and send 
us the link.

Ron
58 MGA

Al Garber wrote:

> Mel Cohen -
>     That is a signature on my email and not intended as a statement for the
> club. There was a jpeg attached that was intended that obviously did not
> attach.
> 
> 
> 
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>From: cuthroat at live.com
>>To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:08:37 -0800
>>Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>>
>>Al -
>>I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live
> 
> there.
> 
>>Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love
> 
> the
> 
>>City.
>>For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
>>place for this type of statement.
>>Mel Cohen
>>
>>
>>>From: algarber at hotmail.com
>>>To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
>>>Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>>>
>>>"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
>>>Kantner
>>>
>>>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  2 16:02:20 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000d01cbaacd$e3611880$aa234980$@com>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT139-w6123942F3C2F2D27BCF1FEA1060@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT139-w10F03ADD1EB0ED185BF41BC3060@phx.gbl>,
	<000d01cbaacd$e3611880$aa234980$@com>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w125E54C9167C757F6700AAC3060@phx.gbl>

Thanks John. I'm new to this email system and am trying to get it straight.



"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: jkenner at tamcab.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:39:15 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> Al,
>
> attachments don't work on our email system.
>
> You have to put in a link for people to go to.
>
>
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Al Garber
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 2:30 PM
> To: NOBBCC
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
>
> Mel Cohen -
> That is a signature on my email and not intended as a statement for the
> club. There was a jpeg attached that was intended that obviously did not
> attach.
>
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
> > From: cuthroat at live.com
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:08:37 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (no subject)
> >
> > Al -
> > I was born in San Francisco and love the City and the people who live
> there.
> > Both of my sons and their families are presently residents and also love
> the
> > City.
> > For your information this sight is for our Car Club and I feel is not the
> > place for this type of statement.
> > Mel Cohen
> >
> > > From: algarber at hotmail.com
> > > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:30:33 -0500
> > > Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
> > >
> > > "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ...........
> Paul
> > > Kantner
> > >
> > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 16:09:20 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:09:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] My car LOVES this weather!
Message-ID: <4D2105A0.7040708@sonic.net>

It just seems to run better when it's humid and cool. We had a fun ride 
today for those of you that missed it. Not much traffic and the scenery 
looked better with the mist and clouds behind it. I'll try to post 
pictures to Facebook and send a link.

Dawson was there with his recently acquired Jensen Healey for it's 
inaugural club ride. It ran well and nothing fell off, the definition of 
a successful British car ride.

Our next ride will be mid month on the 15th, details later. February 
will bring Dawson's Valentines Day run, always popular and well attended.

Looks like Nobbc will have a good new year!

Ron
58 MGA

From mewgull at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 16:40:39 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] My car LOVES this weather!
In-Reply-To: <4D2105A0.7040708@sonic.net>
References: <4D2105A0.7040708@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4AF99F2B-CB12-4FD0-A9A8-39DADDF69D2F@sonic.net>

It's the abundant moisture that makes 'em run so well.   One of the  
veteran Land Rover survivors (a native Kiwi) now residing in a bog  
beside Salmon Creek contends that Brit cars NEED the soggy environment  
and that Lucas wiring swells up when wet so as to better conduct and  
maintain contact.  Based on my experience I can not dispute this.

Those of us who have been long afflicted with proper Land Rovers (as  
opposed to the yuppie versions) are often amused when some one new to  
the marque posts some inquiry about the correct screws or bolts for  
the floor boards.  The responses usually explain the critical need for  
the holes to be left open since that's how the water gets out.  Also,  
I find it interesting that all my Land Rovers with hard tops over the  
years have leaked most impressively into the passenger compartment at  
even the hint of a modest rain.  Whereas, my '50 MG TD, with INCHES of  
open space around the side-curtains allowed almost no run off into the  
cockpit.  Well there were those passing trucks that kicked up gallons  
onto the front of the TD; a fair bit of that made it into my lap.

BTW, as a native San Franciscan, I enjoy the Kantner description.  But  
then I was born in the Hashbury ... but long before it became famous.

Gerry


On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> It just seems to run better when it's humid and cool. We had a fun  
> ride today for those of you that missed it. Not much traffic and the  
> scenery looked better with the mist and clouds behind it. I'll try  
> to post pictures to Facebook and send a link.
>
> Dawson was there with his recently acquired Jensen Healey for it's  
> inaugural club ride. It ran well and nothing fell off, the  
> definition of a successful British car ride.
>
> Our next ride will be mid month on the 15th, details later. February  
> will bring Dawson's Valentines Day run, always popular and well  
> attended.
>
> Looks like Nobbc will have a good new year!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From nobbc at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 16:46:24 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures
Message-ID: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>

 From todays ride: 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3

Ron
58 MGA

From michael at dcspg.com  Sun Jan  2 17:08:34 2011
From: michael at dcspg.com (michael vogel)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:08:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Anti Football Rally
In-Reply-To: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
References: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <156601cbaada$604d6b30$20e84190$@com>

For those of you that missed the Anti Football rally I thought I would share
1 pic from the top of Mt. Tam :)

 

IMG_1220.jpg

 

Michael Vogel

415.339.6050 (direct)

michael at dcspg.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:46 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures

 

>From todays ride: 

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3

 

Ron

58 MGA

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From wbain at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 17:58:47 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:58:47 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
Message-ID: <4D199279-A7A2-4885-8AE5-808EB0B537F0@sonic.net>

Hi Mike,

John Courage used to be available on tap at The Edinburgh Castle on  
Geary in
SF. Long way to go for a pint. The Morgan Club used to have their  
monthly meetings
there, but that was back in the 70's, early 80's.

Here is what I found on the internet:

Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE??? - Yahoo! Answers

I think this will answer your question. Too bad!!!

Wendell

59 Morgan




On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find  
> some John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"  
> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about  
>> one month
>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I  
>> didn't know
>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>
>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have  
>> closed
>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the  
>> familiar MG
>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I  
>> tried to get
>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection  
>> straight
>> from the internet.
>>
>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>
>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th  
>> anniversary of the
>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car  
>> which was
>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG  
>> Featherweight
>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get  
>> spattered
>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This  
>> turned into
>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>
>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty  
>> taste and
>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is  
>> always on
>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
>> Hen "Un"
>> brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
>> limited
>> history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to  
>> admit I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
>> prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still  
>> ironing out the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
>> wander. F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche  
>> (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
>> Ron! That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
>> weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
>> top up. I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.  
>> Call me a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
>> left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my  
>> TR would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
>> post pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may  
>>> be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>>> weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have  
>>>> a break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt  
>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>>> ride but
>>>>> does
>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have  
>>>>> the ride
>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 18:09:00 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:09:00 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures
In-Reply-To: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
References: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <668C4034-C1F1-4FDB-87D6-B8498EC84DEF@sonic.net>

Thanks for the shots, Ron. Guess I'll wait for the run on the 15th.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> From todays ride: http://www.facebook.com/album.php? 
> aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 18:15:29 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:15:29 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <4D199279-A7A2-4885-8AE5-808EB0B537F0@sonic.net>
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	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<4D199279-A7A2-4885-8AE5-808EB0B537F0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <FAF9987E-AA29-4661-9C46-5CE7850B2AA5@sonic.net>

Here is the attachment that didn't attach.


Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE???
September 9th, 2010 admin
I just got offf the phone with the Scottish & Newcastle people in San
Rafael, Calif (tel. 415.479.5700).

A very polite lady there said that S&N has pulled John Courage,
Bemish and McEwans I.P.A. from the United States, in order to focus
more effort on Newcastle brown Ale.
S&N are also introducing a new beer to America.
Its called "Grimborgen" (at least I think that is how she told me it
was spelled).

Are you as bummed about this as I am?
Dammit, I want my Courage!!!!
supahtfor
I DO brew my own beer.
But one can only get so good with home-brew.

Besides, what makes the beer is the waterand where I live, my
choices are Arkansas spring water or Oklahoma lake water (yeck!)

On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:58 PM, wendell bain wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> John Courage used to be available on tap at The Edinburgh Castle on
> Geary in
> SF. Long way to go for a pint. The Morgan Club used to have their
> monthly meetings
> there, but that was back in the 70's, early 80's.
>
> Here is what I found on the internet:
>
> Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE??? - Yahoo! Answers
>
> I think this will answer your question. Too bad!!!
>
> Wendell
>
> 59 Morgan
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>
>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find
>> some John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"
>> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about
>>> one month
>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I
>>> didn't know
>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>
>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have
>>> closed
>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the
>>> familiar MG
>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I
>>> tried to get
>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>>> straight
>>> from the internet.
>>>
>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th
>>> anniversary of the
>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car
>>> which was
>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG
>>> Featherweight
>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>> spattered
>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This
>>> turned into
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>
>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty
>>> taste and
>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is
>>> always on
>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-
>>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
>>> Hen "Un"
>>> brew
>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
>>> limited
>>> history
>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
>>> admit I
>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>
>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
>>> prosperous New
>>> Year!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank and Candace
>>>
>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still
>>> ironing out the
>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
>>> wander. F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
>>> (sorry
>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>
>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
>>> Ron! That
>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>
>>> See you all,
>>> Tim
>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
>>> weather, a
>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
>>> top up. I
>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
>>> Call me a
>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
>>> left me
>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
>>> TR would
>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
>>> post pics
>>> if there are any
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>>>> be all
>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>> raining
>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>>>> weather
>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>>>> a break
>>>>> at
>>>>> noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>>>> the ride
>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From markdarley at mac.com  Sun Jan  2 19:31:05 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:31:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures
In-Reply-To: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
References: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <C366F81C-7A3C-4438-8423-63973FCB359C@mac.com>

Ron,

Looks like you had markedly better visibility than on Mount Tam, and I  
applaud your top-down mode in the MGA.  To do the same, I would have  
needed perferated floorboards a-la Land Rover or a bilge pump!

Cheers
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> From todays ride: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sun Jan  2 23:13:02 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:13:02 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures
In-Reply-To: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
References: <4D210E50.9060808@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <A36876CD802B4E6CB5F021BF9F5A1952@williamsonPC>

Ah.  Another JH on the road and in the club.
Good job getting her going Dawson.
>From what I understand there are only about 1500 of the 10,000 still 
running.  Many burned to the ground, others rusted to dust.  And some turned 
into parts cars as did yours.  But you have brought her back from near 
death.  This car was a true basket case, but with a Lotus, you can't kill it 
engine, Dawson brought her back to life.
I posted on the JHPS website that I had sold her and that she was about to 
go on her first ride in many years.  You should post there as well to help 
with tracking running JHs'.

Clif 74 JH  and previous owner of Dawson's very cool car.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:46 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] A few pictures

>From todays ride:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3

Ron
58 MGA
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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Mon Jan  3 10:01:53 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:01:53 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] My car LOVES this weather!
In-Reply-To: <4D2105A0.7040708@sonic.net>
References: <4D2105A0.7040708@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <330273E240CBAD4C97740ACE683BED1E079DED180A@VA3DIAXVS181.RED001.local>

"Dawson was there with his recently acquired Jensen Healey for it's inaugural club ride. It ran well and nothing fell off, the definition of a successful British car ride."

So says the guy who was not following it.  Good thing the old Jag is reasonably nimble for two tons of British steel.  ;)

Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:09 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] My car LOVES this weather!

It just seems to run better when it's humid and cool. We had a fun ride today for those of you that missed it. Not much traffic and the scenery looked better with the mist and clouds behind it. I'll try to post pictures to Facebook and send a link.

Dawson was there with his recently acquired Jensen Healey for it's inaugural club ride. It ran well and nothing fell off, the definition of a successful British car ride.

Our next ride will be mid month on the 15th, details later. February will bring Dawson's Valentines Day run, always popular and well attended.

Looks like Nobbc will have a good new year!

Ron
58 MGA
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From rlmossholder at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 13:35:44 2011
From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] Tool needed
In-Reply-To: <330273E240CBAD4C97740ACE683BED1E079DED180A@VA3DIAXVS181.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <1642872497.649129.1294086944437.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Gang, 
Does anyone know where to buy a spanner wrench for adjusting coil-over spring perches? 
I have one for the rear shocks, but it's too small for the fronts. 
Thanks, 
Rich M 
71 Spitfire 

From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan  3 14:42:49 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:42:49 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL><20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom><EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>

Hey Andy,

Where is the Englander?

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there 
> for
> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one 
>> month
>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>
>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to 
>> get
>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
>> from the internet.
>>
>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>
>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
>> the
>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
>> was
>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get 
>> spattered
>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
>> into
>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>
>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
>> and
>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
>> brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
>> history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit 
>> I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
>> the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. 
>> F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! 
>> That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. 
>> I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call 
>> me
>
>> a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
>> would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post 
>> pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a 
>>>> break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>>does
>>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the 
>>>>>ride
>>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>58 MGA
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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan  3 15:08:19 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:08:19 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL><20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom><EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike><4D199279-A7A2-4885-8AE5-808EB0B537F0@sonic.net>
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Hey Andy,

As a younger man, actually, back to high school, I played in a rock band in 
San Mateo, that included a bass player from Mexico, and a guitar player from 
Manchester, England. His father, Di Davis, (just in case you go back a ways) 
was a former famous and professional rugby player, for Manchester. Man you 
talk about rough & tumble and beat to smithereens, and he looked the part. 
We all hung out at the old Bit of England in San Mateo, with Dad and a 
brother in law, also an ex-athlete? When the beer started flowing, the 
stories and jokes followed quickly, YOU JUST WOULDN'T BELEIVE what came out 
of his mouth. We also had many parties at the parents home, home made pork 
pies, sausage rolls, steak & kidney pie, and the old man could REALLY cut 
loose, funny as shell and absolutely obsene. I never laughed so hard, or had 
so much fun in my whole life, and a whole lot of English beer, including my 
all time favorite, John Courage.
I look for it wherever I go, but I haven't seen it of many years. I would 
love to find some somewhere.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Here is the attachment that didn't attach.
>
>
> Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE???
> September 9th, 2010 admin
> I just got offf the phone with the Scottish & Newcastle people in San
> Rafael, Calif (tel. 415.479.5700).
>
> A very polite lady there said that S&N has pulled John Courage,
> Bemish and McEwans I.P.A. from the United States, in order to focus
> more effort on Newcastle brown Ale.
> S&N are also introducing a new beer to America.
> Its called "Grimborgen" (at least I think that is how she told me it
> was spelled).
>
> Are you as bummed about this as I am?
> Dammit, I want my Courage!!!!
> supahtfor
> I DO brew my own beer.
> But one can only get so good with home-brew.
>
> Besides, what makes the beer is the waterand where I live, my
> choices are Arkansas spring water or Oklahoma lake water (yeck!)
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:58 PM, wendell bain wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> John Courage used to be available on tap at The Edinburgh Castle on
>> Geary in
>> SF. Long way to go for a pint. The Morgan Club used to have their
>> monthly meetings
>> there, but that was back in the 70's, early 80's.
>>
>> Here is what I found on the internet:
>>
>> Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE??? - Yahoo! Answers
>>
>> I think this will answer your question. Too bad!!!
>>
>> Wendell
>>
>> 59 Morgan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>>
>>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find
>>> some John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"
>>> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about
>>>> one month
>>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I
>>>> didn't know
>>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>>
>>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have
>>>> closed
>>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the
>>>> familiar MG
>>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I
>>>> tried to get
>>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>>>> straight
>>>> from the internet.
>>>>
>>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>>
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th
>>>> anniversary of the
>>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car
>>>> which was
>>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG
>>>> Featherweight
>>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>>> spattered
>>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This
>>>> turned into
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>>
>>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty
>>>> taste and
>>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is
>>>> always on
>>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-
>>>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
>>>> Hen "Un"
>>>> brew
>>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
>>>> limited
>>>> history
>>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
>>>> admit I
>>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>>
>>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
>>>> prosperous New
>>>> Year!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank and Candace
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still
>>>> ironing out the
>>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
>>>> wander. F.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
>>>> (sorry
>>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>>
>>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
>>>> Ron! That
>>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>>
>>>> See you all,
>>>> Tim
>>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
>>>> weather, a
>>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
>>>> top up. I
>>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
>>>> Call me a
>>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
>>>> left me
>>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
>>>> TR would
>>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
>>>> post pics
>>>> if there are any
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> 64 TR4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>>>>> be all
>>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>>> raining
>>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>>>>> weather
>>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>>>>> a break
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> noon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>>>>> the ride
>>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 15:42:59 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:42:59 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
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Calling all those with knowledge of Northern California back roads:

I am attending a conference in Redwood Valley, north of Ukiah on  
Friday and, given the beautiful weather this week, thinking of  
turning it into a road trip in the MGA.

This is my proposed route
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Mill+Valley, 
+CA&daddr=38.23275,-122.6443+to:38.23082,-122.7333179+to: 
38.90615,-123.69249+to:14000+Tomki+Rd,+Redwood+Valley,+CA 
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CmNKvC2lIKBgDEVdRhBjnBvUg&gl=us&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=10&via=1,2,3&sl 
l=38.237101,-122.89856&sspn=0.804678,1.29364&ie=UTF8&ll=38.766933,-122.9 
7821&spn=1.556836,2.941589&z=9

However I would love to tap into your knowledge of Northern  
California roads and places to stay. My sole criteria for a place to  
stay is that I get a bathtub at the end of the day!

I am thinking of leaving on Wednesday, spending a night mid-coast,  
perhaps between Sea Ranch and Point Arena, and then driving inland to  
Redwood Valley/ Ukiah.
I have never driven north of Gualala except on Route 101, which I  
plan to largely avoid as freeways are no fun in the MGA.  The route  
between Point Arena and Ukiah is also new to me.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

A full toolkit, spare fuel pump and fluids will be part of the luggage!

Cheers
Mark


Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"  
> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was  
>> there for
>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on  
>> tap.  I
>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can  
>> find some
>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"  
>> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about  
>>> one month
>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I  
>>> didn't know
>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>
>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have  
>>> closed
>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the  
>>> familiar MG
>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I  
>>> tried to get
>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection  
>>> straight
>>> from the internet.
>>>
>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th  
>>> anniversary of
>>> the
>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG  
>>> car which
>>> was
>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG  
>>> Featherweight
>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get  
>>> spattered
>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This  
>>> turned
>>> into
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>
>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty  
>>> taste
>>> and
>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is  
>>> always on
>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
>>> Hen "Un"
>>> brew
>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
>>> limited
>>> history
>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have  
>>> to admit I
>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>
>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
>>> prosperous New
>>> Year!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank and Candace
>>>
>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still  
>>> ironing out
>>> the
>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
>>> wander. F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche  
>>> (sorry
>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>
>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
>>> Ron! That
>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>
>>> See you all,
>>> Tim
>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
>>> weather, a
>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
>>> top up. I
>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents  
>>> that. Call me
>>
>>> a
>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
>>> left me
>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of  
>>> my TR
>>> would
>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
>>> post pics
>>> if there are any
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may  
>>>> be all
>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>> raining
>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>>>> weather
>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll  
>>>>> have a break
>>>>> at
>>>>> noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and  
>>>>>> have the ride
>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Mon Jan  3 15:46:38 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:46:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Tool needed
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Rich,

I think Morroso  makes them and Summit Racing may carry them.

I've seen them at Smothers in Santa Rosa.

I have also used an oil filter wrench that's like weird circular pliers.

Anyway I have 3 or 4  if you want to look at them.

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 12:36 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] Tool needed

Gang, 
Does anyone know where to buy a spanner wrench for adjusting coil-over
spring perches? 
I have one for the rear shocks, but it's too small for the fronts. 
Thanks, 
Rich M 
71 Spitfire 
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jan  3 15:54:50 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:54:50 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <9A337BFDA1E14D04A53091DE50592643@mike>
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	<9A337BFDA1E14D04A53091DE50592643@mike>
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Well, I'm glad my question/query about good ol' Brit brews stimulated so
much discussion and fine memories.

Another good one that used to be on sale at Trader Joes was a beer from
Thailand.  I think I liked the name as much as the ale... Named Phuket
after the resort and SCUBA diving destination off the coast of Thailand.
It was hit pretty hard by the Tsunami a couple of years back.  Trader
Joe-san stopped carrying it recently.

Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:08 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Hey Andy,

As a younger man, actually, back to high school, I played in a rock band
in
San Mateo, that included a bass player from Mexico, and a guitar player
from
Manchester, England. His father, Di Davis, (just in case you go back a
ways)
was a former famous and professional rugby player, for Manchester. Man
you
talk about rough & tumble and beat to smithereens, and he looked the
part.
We all hung out at the old Bit of England in San Mateo, with Dad and a
brother in law, also an ex-athlete? When the beer started flowing, the
stories and jokes followed quickly, YOU JUST WOULDN'T BELEIVE what came
out
of his mouth. We also had many parties at the parents home, home made
pork
pies, sausage rolls, steak & kidney pie, and the old man could REALLY
cut
loose, funny as shell and absolutely obsene. I never laughed so hard, or
had
so much fun in my whole life, and a whole lot of English beer, including
my
all time favorite, John Courage.
I look for it wherever I go, but I haven't seen it of many years. I
would
love to find some somewhere.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message -----
From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Here is the attachment that didn't attach.
>
>
> Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE???
> September 9th, 2010 admin
> I just got offf the phone with the Scottish & Newcastle people in San
> Rafael, Calif (tel. 415.479.5700).
>
> A very polite lady there said that S&N has pulled John Courage,
> Bemish and McEwans I.P.A. from the United States, in order to focus
> more effort on Newcastle brown Ale.
> S&N are also introducing a new beer to America.
> Its called "Grimborgen" (at least I think that is how she told me it
> was spelled).
>
> Are you as bummed about this as I am?
> Dammit, I want my Courage!!!!
> supahtfor
> I DO brew my own beer.
> But one can only get so good with home-brew.
>
> Besides, what makes the beer is the waterand where I live, my
> choices are Arkansas spring water or Oklahoma lake water (yeck!)
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:58 PM, wendell bain wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> John Courage used to be available on tap at The Edinburgh Castle on
>> Geary in
>> SF. Long way to go for a pint. The Morgan Club used to have their
>> monthly meetings
>> there, but that was back in the 70's, early 80's.
>>
>> Here is what I found on the internet:
>>
>> Are you sad because John Courage Amber Ale is GONE??? - Yahoo!
Answers
>>
>> I think this will answer your question. Too bad!!!
>>
>> Wendell
>>
>> 59 Morgan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:17 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>>
>>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find
>>> some John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"
>>> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about
>>>> one month
>>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I
>>>> didn't know
>>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>>
>>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have
>>>> closed
>>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the
>>>> familiar MG
>>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I
>>>> tried to get
>>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>>>> straight
>>>> from the internet.
>>>>
>>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>>
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th
>>>> anniversary of the
>>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car
>>>> which was
>>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG
>>>> Featherweight
>>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>>> spattered
>>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This
>>>> turned into
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>>
>>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty
>>>> taste and
>>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is
>>>> always on
>>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-
>>>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
>>>> Hen "Un"
>>>> brew
>>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
>>>> limited
>>>> history
>>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
>>>> admit I
>>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>>
>>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
>>>> prosperous New
>>>> Year!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank and Candace
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still
>>>> ironing out the
>>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
>>>> wander. F.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
>>>> (sorry
>>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>>
>>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
>>>> Ron! That
>>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>>
>>>> See you all,
>>>> Tim
>>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
>>>> weather, a
>>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
>>>> top up. I
>>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
>>>> Call me a
>>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
>>>> left me
>>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
>>>> TR would
>>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
>>>> post pics
>>>> if there are any
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> 64 TR4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>>>>> be all
>>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's
been
>>>>>> raining
>>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>>>>> weather
>>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have
>>>>>> a break
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> noon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt
>>>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>>>>> the ride
>>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From rlmossholder at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 16:04:22 2011
From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 23:04:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] Tool needed
In-Reply-To: <002c01cbab98$164c02d0$42e40870$@com>
Message-ID: <631950973.659574.1294095862777.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks John. 
I realized I should call Chris at PRI right after I posted the message (that's where I got the shocks to begin with). He said the reason he didn't supply a wrench with the front shocks is that it fouls against the frame and a-arms. His suggestion was to use a large flat blade screwdriver and a mallet. I'll do that if I have to, but I'm open to any other suggestions. I don't want to beat up the aluminum retainers. 
Rich 

From apexbrit2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 16:37:16 2011
From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:37:16 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
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	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
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	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
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Mark - You have a nice drive planned as it is, but a very pleasant drive ( I
did it this weekend and the redwood forest was breathtaking) would be north
off Bodega Hwy on Joy Road, east on Coleman Valley Road to Occidental. Stop
here for refreshments. From Occidental, go north on Bohemian Hwy to Monte
Rio. Then 116 out to the coast and Hwy 1 at Jenner. A fun drive! Cheers,
Robin

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

> Calling all those with knowledge of Northern California back roads:
>
> I am attending a conference in Redwood Valley, north of Ukiah on Friday
> and, given the beautiful weather this week, thinking of turning it into a
> road trip in the MGA.
>
> This is my proposed route
>
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Mill+Valley,+CA&daddr=38.232
75,-122.6443+to:38.23082,-122.7333179+to:38.90615,-123.69249+to:14000+Tomki+R
d,+Redwood+Valley,+CA+95470&hl=en&geocode=FXVmQgIdsByy-CmTPFo8c5CFgDGG1fnP3aR
_0g%3BFa5iRwIdtJiw-Ckhurw3p7aFgDF0NR6ula05ww%3BFSRbRwId-zyv-CmRGQdlcsqFgDGFg-
kFQGzDdQ%3BFSapUQIdNpqg-CnP2DUM2xiBgDHflHwxg_qmhw%3BFUtEWAIdbKGn-CmNKvC2lIKBg
DEVdRhBjnBvUg&gl=us&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=10&via=1,2,3&sll=38.237101,-122.
89856&sspn=0.804678,1.29364&ie=UTF8&ll=38.766933,-122.97821&spn=1.556836,2.94
1589&z=9
>
> However I would love to tap into your knowledge of Northern California
> roads and places to stay. My sole criteria for a place to stay is that I
get
> a bathtub at the end of the day!
>
> I am thinking of leaving on Wednesday, spending a night mid-coast, perhaps
> between Sea Ranch and Point Arena, and then driving inland to Redwood
> Valley/ Ukiah.
> I have never driven north of Gualala except on Route 101, which I plan to
> largely avoid as freeways are no fun in the MGA.  The route between Point
> Arena and Ukiah is also new to me.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> A full toolkit, spare fuel pump and fluids will be part of the luggage!
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>
> Hey Andy,
>>
>> Where is the Englander?
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston" <
>> andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there
>>> for
>>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
>>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
>>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston" <
>>> andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
>>>> month
>>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
>>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>>
>>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
>>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
>>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
>>>> get
>>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>>>> straight
>>>> from the internet.
>>>>
>>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>>
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
>>>> the
>>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
>>>> was
>>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
>>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>>> spattered
>>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
>>>> into
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>>
>>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
>>>> and
>>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always
>>>> on
>>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>>> ]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen
>>>> "Un"
>>>> brew
>>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
>>>> history
>>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
>>>> I
>>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>>
>>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous
>>>> New
>>>> Year!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank and Candace
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
>>>> the
>>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
>>>> F.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
>>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>>
>>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
>>>> That
>>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>>
>>>> See you all,
>>>> Tim
>>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
>>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
>>>> I
>>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
>>>> me
>>>>
>>>
>>> a
>>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
>>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
>>>> would
>>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
>>>> pics
>>>> if there are any
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> 64 TR4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>>> raining
>>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
>>>>>> break
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> noon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
>>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 19:16:57 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
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	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
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Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for both the
MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and their
"Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill which has
a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
"Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint of
Boddingtons on tap of course.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Hey Andy,

Where is the Englander?

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there 
> for
> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one 
>> month
>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>
>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to 
>> get
>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
>> from the internet.
>>
>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>
>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
>> the
>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
>> was
>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get 
>> spattered
>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
>> into
>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>
>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
>> and
>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
>> brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
>> history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit 
>> I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
>> the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander. 
>> F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron! 
>> That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up. 
>> I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call 
>> me
>
>> a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
>> would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post 
>> pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a 
>>>> break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>>does
>>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the 
>>>>>ride
>>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>58 MGA
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 19:51:17 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:51:17 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL><20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom><EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike><54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom><A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
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Hi Mark, I couldn't get your Google map to load but you can't go wrong
driving north, even 101 is pleasant north of Windsor.  We've stayed in
Gualala many times at the Seacliff on the bluff.  Nice rooms overlooking the
location where the Gualala river runs into the Pacific.  Lots of seals and
bluff walks.  The St Orres restaurant just north of Gualala is a good place
to eat with a different type of menu.  You must visit the Point Arena
lighthouse and climb the stairs to see the Fresnel Lens.  

Have a great drive; the weather should be far better than it was on the
"Anti football run".  You must have been fairly close to the end because we
didn't see you on the drive.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Darley
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Road trip north

Calling all those with knowledge of Northern California back roads:

I am attending a conference in Redwood Valley, north of Ukiah on  
Friday and, given the beautiful weather this week, thinking of  
turning it into a road trip in the MGA.

This is my proposed route
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Mill+Valley, 
+CA&daddr=38.23275,-122.6443+to:38.23082,-122.7333179+to: 
38.90615,-123.69249+to:14000+Tomki+Rd,+Redwood+Valley,+CA 
+95470&hl=en&geocode=FXVmQgIdsByy-CmTPFo8c5CFgDGG1fnP3aR_0g% 
3BFa5iRwIdtJiw-Ckhurw3p7aFgDF0NR6ula05ww%3BFSRbRwId-zyv- 
CmRGQdlcsqFgDGFg-kFQGzDdQ%3BFSapUQIdNpqg-CnP2DUM2xiBgDHflHwxg_qmhw% 
3BFUtEWAIdbKGn- 
CmNKvC2lIKBgDEVdRhBjnBvUg&gl=us&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=10&via=1,2,3&sl 
l=38.237101,-122.89856&sspn=0.804678,1.29364&ie=UTF8&ll=38.766933,-122.9 
7821&spn=1.556836,2.941589&z=9

However I would love to tap into your knowledge of Northern  
California roads and places to stay. My sole criteria for a place to  
stay is that I get a bathtub at the end of the day!

I am thinking of leaving on Wednesday, spending a night mid-coast,  
perhaps between Sea Ranch and Point Arena, and then driving inland to  
Redwood Valley/ Ukiah.
I have never driven north of Gualala except on Route 101, which I  
plan to largely avoid as freeways are no fun in the MGA.  The route  
between Point Arena and Ukiah is also new to me.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

A full toolkit, spare fuel pump and fluids will be part of the luggage!

Cheers
Mark


Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"  
> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was  
>> there for
>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on  
>> tap.  I
>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can  
>> find some
>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston"  
>> <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about  
>>> one month
>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I  
>>> didn't know
>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>
>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have  
>>> closed
>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the  
>>> familiar MG
>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I  
>>> tried to get
>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection  
>>> straight
>>> from the internet.
>>>
>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th  
>>> anniversary of
>>> the
>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG  
>>> car which
>>> was
>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG  
>>> Featherweight
>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get  
>>> spattered
>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This  
>>> turned
>>> into
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>
>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty  
>>> taste
>>> and
>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is  
>>> always on
>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
>>> Hen "Un"
>>> brew
>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
>>> limited
>>> history
>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have  
>>> to admit I
>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>
>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
>>> prosperous New
>>> Year!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank and Candace
>>>
>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still  
>>> ironing out
>>> the
>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
>>> wander. F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche  
>>> (sorry
>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>
>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
>>> Ron! That
>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>
>>> See you all,
>>> Tim
>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
>>> weather, a
>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
>>> top up. I
>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents  
>>> that. Call me
>>
>>> a
>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
>>> left me
>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of  
>>> my TR
>>> would
>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
>>> post pics
>>> if there are any
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may  
>>>> be all
>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>> raining
>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>>>> weather
>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll  
>>>>> have a break
>>>>> at
>>>>> noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and  
>>>>>> have the ride
>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jan  3 19:53:11 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <57E091906466497B8AD53721CE142504@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's Revenge
perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention to the
food or beer at that time.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for both the
MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and their
"Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill which has
a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
"Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint of
Boddingtons on tap of course.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Hey Andy,

Where is the Englander?

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there
> for
> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
>> month
>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>
>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
>> get
>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
>> from the internet.
>>
>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>
>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
>> the
>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
>> was
>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>> spattered
>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
>> into
>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>
>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
>> and
>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
>> brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
>> history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
>> I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
>> the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
>> F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
>> That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
>> I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
>> me
>
>> a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
>> would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
>> pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
>>>> break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>>does
>>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
>>>>>ride
>>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>58 MGA
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Mon Jan  3 20:14:06 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL><20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom><EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike><54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom><A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>

Perhaps someone can confirm/correct this but if I remember, that road is
dirt part way.  Good dirt but if it is, it will be muddy.  Still be a fun
ride, though.  I can't think of one better without a fair amount more
backtracking.  Good Luck, and carry your cell phone.

David
74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia'
Sebastopol, CA, USA
LotsaParts

From norman.weinfeld at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 20:28:37 2011
From: norman.weinfeld at gmail.com (Norman S. Weinfeld)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
References: <57E091906466497B8AD53721CE142504@Bonusroom>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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Molly's Revenge! We hired them for our wedding! Quite the hoot they were
too. Apropos which, as the wife just pointed out when I mentioned this note
to her, there is a wacko Christian cult predicting the End of the World for
May 21st, our anniversary... Molly's Revenge?

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Frank Morris <morrisf at sidwater.org> wrote:

> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's Revenge
> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention to the
> food or beer at that time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for both the
> MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and their
> "Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill which
> has
> a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
> "Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint of
> Boddingtons on tap of course.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
> > Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there
> > for
> > Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> > remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
> >
> > Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> > John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
> >
> > Michael
> > 64 TR4
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
> >
> >
> >> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
> >> month
> >> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> >> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
> >>
> >> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> >> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> >> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
> >> get
> >> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
> straight
> >> from the internet.
> >>
> >> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
> >>
> >> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
> >> the
> >> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
> >> was
> >> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> >> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
> >> spattered
> >> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
> >> into
> >> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
> >>
> >> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
> >> and
> >> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always
> on
> >> the hunt for his Hen.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Frank Morris
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> >> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen
> "Un"
> >> brew
> >> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> >> history
> >> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
> >> I
> >> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
> >>
> >> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous
> New
> >> Year!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Frank and Candace
> >>
> >> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
> >> the
> >> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
> >> F.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> >> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> >> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
> >>
> >> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
> >> That
> >> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
> >>
> >> See you all,
> >> Tim
> >> 1958 Red 'un MGA
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mike Gianandrea
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> >> To: North Bay British Car Club
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> >> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
> >> I
> >> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
> >> me
> >
> >> a
> >> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> >> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
> >> would
> >> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
> >> pics
> >> if there are any
> >>
> >> Michael
> >> 64 TR4
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> >>> right at Noon!
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>> 58 MGA
> >>>
> >>> Dawson Church wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
> >>>> raining
> >>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
> >>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
> >>>> break
> >>>> at
> >>>> noon!
> >>>>
> >>>> Dawson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
> >>>>>does
> >>>>>look good for Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
> >>>>>ride
> >>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron
> >>>>>58 MGA
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 20:31:04 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:31:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Anti Football etc
Message-ID: <541D794C-E1CA-4F31-BC82-6D0217B3B856@mac.com>

Andy,

Yes, I left toward the back, and then I stopped at the top of the drop  
down to Bolinas to photograph the cars as they came by in the fog and  
redwoods, and only a couple passed.  I thought I was last as I dropped  
off the ridge, but when I came up toward Olema a couple of cars came  
up fast behind me.  (I think they took the Bolinas Lagoon road.)  I  
waved them right toward San Anselmo, and then went on ahead to  
Inverness to get my gin fizz at the Inverness Yacht Club New Years Day  
party!

Then I rolled gently home in pouring rain hoping the windsceen wipers  
would continue to work.  They did (though they developed a squeak) and  
I arrived home remarkably dry, mostly because I wore my full length  
raincoat that kept the drips off my knees.  I will be using duck tape  
to deflect water over the roof next time, as it seems to get forced up  
the windscreen and then under the leading edge of the roof.  It really  
wasn't too bad, but I was a little nervous that a drip or two might  
find their way through the dash and onto the electrics and result in  
one of those famous Lucas electric failures.

All in all a good day, but I plan to avoid the wet stuff when I get  
the chance!

St Orrs may be my choice both for an inexpensive room, and supper.   
Many years ago when Suzanne was pregnant with my daughter, Miranda, we  
rented a great cottage on the cliffs in Gualala, and went to St Orrs  
for supper.  At the end of the meal we discovered that we had both  
failed to bring wallets.  In a wonderful demonstration of coastal  
hospitality, they just told us to drop in and pay the next time we  
were passing by, which we did two days later.  They won my future  
business that day!

Cheers
Mark


Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 20:45:55 2011
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (wkilch at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 03:45:55 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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How many restaurant have you seen last that charge dining customers for water and to-go containers. Sadly mismanaged. My friends and I used to go there to play darts. No more darts in SR. 

A charming bar maid might have kept the place alive. 

Walter
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:11 
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's Revenge
perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention to the
food or beer at that time.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for both the
MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and their
"Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill which has
a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
"Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint of
Boddingtons on tap of course.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Hey Andy,

Where is the Englander?

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen


> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there
> for
> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
>> month
>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>
>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
>> get
>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection straight
>> from the internet.
>>
>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>
>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
>> the
>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
>> was
>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>> spattered
>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
>> into
>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>
>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
>> and
>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always on
>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen "Un"
>> brew
>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
>> history
>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
>> I
>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>
>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous New
>> Year!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>>
>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
>> the
>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
>> F.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>
>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
>> That
>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>
>> See you all,
>> Tim
>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
>> I
>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
>> me
>
>> a
>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
>> would
>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
>> pics
>> if there are any
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>
>>
>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
>>> right at Noon!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>> raining
>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
>>>> break
>>>> at
>>>> noon!
>>>>
>>>> Dawson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
>>>>>does
>>>>>look good for Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
>>>>>ride
>>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>
>>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>58 MGA
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 20:50:05 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:50:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
	<146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>
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David,
Which road??!

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 3, 2011, at 7:14 PM, David Willson wrote:

> Perhaps someone can confirm/correct this but if I remember, that  
> road is
> dirt part way.  Good dirt but if it is, it will be muddy.  Still be  
> a fun
> ride, though.  I can't think of one better without a fair amount more
> backtracking.  Good Luck, and carry your cell phone.
>
> David
> 74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia'
> Sebastopol, CA, USA
> LotsaParts
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jan  3 21:05:06 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:05:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikj-bg9QRLz=9qRBWwrYzkjto5pH3bdMP=g0EjP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38F@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

As I understand the derivation of Molly's Revenge name, it is a musician's
curse of playing a song over and over and over. Love the group! Many happy
returns of May 21st for us all!

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jan 03 19:28:37 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

Molly's Revenge! We hired them for our wedding! Quite the hoot they were
too. Apropos which, as the wife just pointed out when I mentioned this note
to her, there is a wacko Christian cult predicting the End of the World for
May 21st, our anniversary... Molly's Revenge?

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Frank Morris <morrisf at sidwater.org> wrote:

> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's Revenge
> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention to the
> food or beer at that time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for both the
> MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and their
> "Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill which
> has
> a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
> "Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint of
> Boddingtons on tap of course.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
> > Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was there
> > for
> > Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on tap.  I
> > remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
> >
> > Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find some
> > John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
> >
> > Michael
> > 64 TR4
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
> >
> >
> >> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
> >> month
> >> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I didn't know
> >> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
> >>
> >> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have closed
> >> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the familiar MG
> >> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I tried to
> >> get
> >> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
> straight
> >> from the internet.
> >>
> >> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
> >>
> >> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
> >> the
> >> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car which
> >> was
> >> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG Featherweight
> >> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
> >> spattered
> >> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This turned
> >> into
> >> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
> >>
> >> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty taste
> >> and
> >> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is always
> on
> >> the hunt for his Hen.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Frank Morris
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
> >> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled Hen
> "Un"
> >> brew
> >> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather limited
> >> history
> >> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to admit
> >> I
> >> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
> >>
> >> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a prosperous
> New
> >> Year!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Frank and Candace
> >>
> >> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still ironing out
> >> the
> >> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may wander.
> >> F.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> >> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche (sorry
> >> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
> >>
> >> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow, Ron!
> >> That
> >> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
> >>
> >> See you all,
> >> Tim
> >> 1958 Red 'un MGA
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mike Gianandrea
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
> >> To: North Bay British Car Club
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down weather, a
> >> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the top up.
> >> I
> >> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that. Call
> >> me
> >
> >> a
> >> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday left me
> >> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my TR
> >> would
> >> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow, post
> >> pics
> >> if there are any
> >>
> >> Michael
> >> 64 TR4
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may be all
> >>> right at Noon!
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>> 58 MGA
> >>>
> >>> Dawson Church wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
> >>>> raining
> >>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The weather
> >>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
> >>>> break
> >>>> at
> >>>> noon!
> >>>>
> >>>> Dawson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's ride but
> >>>>>does
> >>>>>look good for Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have the
> >>>>>ride
> >>>>>Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Happy New Year everyone!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ron
> >>>>>58 MGA
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 22:22:34 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:22:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <20110104040908.7CB82187657@autox.team.net>
References: <57E091906466497B8AD53721CE142504@Bonusroom>
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Message-ID: <7E4A192B-2487-4397-B79D-BE33E20908D8@mac.com>

The combination of a dartboard, and well handled beer is sadly rare.   
The Pelican Inn at Muir Beach is a wonderful old pub (shipped from the  
UK lock stock and barrel) but they manage to ruin any perfectly good  
beer that is not in a bottle. Beer on tap is invariably over  
carbonated and too cold.  When asked by the barmaid recently what I  
thought of their pint I was very candid, and then told her that they  
had real competition now over the hill in Mill Valley.  20 years ago  
the publican cared.  Apparently not the case any longer.  A shame, I  
used to really enjoy riding over the hill for a summer pint on the lawn.

The barmaid does her best to charm, but in the end it doesnt make up  
for badly handled beer!

Cheers
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 3, 2011, at 7:45 PM, wkilch at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> How many restaurant have you seen last that charge dining customers  
> for water and to-go containers. Sadly mismanaged. My friends and I  
> used to go there to play darts. No more darts in SR.
>
> A charming bar maid might have kept the place alive.
>
> Walter
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:11
> To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's  
> Revenge
> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention  
> to the
> food or beer at that time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for  
> both the
> MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and  
> their
> "Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill  
> which has
> a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
> "Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint  
> of
> Boddingtons on tap of course.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was  
>> there
>> for
>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on  
>> tap.  I
>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> ]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find  
>> some
>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
>>> month
>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I  
>>> didn't know
>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>
>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have  
>>> closed
>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the  
>>> familiar MG
>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I  
>>> tried to
>>> get
>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection  
>>> straight
>>> from the internet.
>>>
>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th  
>>> anniversary of
>>> the
>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car  
>>> which
>>> was
>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG  
>>> Featherweight
>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>> spattered
>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This  
>>> turned
>>> into
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>
>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty  
>>> taste
>>> and
>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is  
>>> always on
>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>>> ]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
>>> Hen "Un"
>>> brew
>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
>>> limited
>>> history
>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to  
>>> admit
>>> I
>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>
>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
>>> prosperous New
>>> Year!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank and Candace
>>>
>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still  
>>> ironing out
>>> the
>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
>>> wander.
>>> F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche  
>>> (sorry
>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>
>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
>>> Ron!
>>> That
>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>
>>> See you all,
>>> Tim
>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
>>> weather, a
>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
>>> top up.
>>> I
>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.  
>>> Call
>>> me
>>
>>> a
>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
>>> left me
>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my  
>>> TR
>>> would
>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
>>> post
>>> pics
>>> if there are any
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may  
>>>> be all
>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>> raining
>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>>>> weather
>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
>>>>> break
>>>>> at
>>>>> noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ride
>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Mon Jan  3 22:33:51 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:33:51 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <1E930442-DEA8-4E63-A270-D21C2C6F05D3@mac.com>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
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	<1E930442-DEA8-4E63-A270-D21C2C6F05D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <149101cbabd0$f8ed9c60$eac8d520$@sonic.net>

The road on the  map link runs from Hwy 1, north of Point Arena and south of
Manchester, near the Stornetta dairy, east to Hwy 128 near Booneville.

David Willson
707-321-1429

If the opposite of Pro is Con,
What is the opposite of Progress?

From davidwi at sonic.net  Mon Jan  3 22:34:33 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:34:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
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References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
	<146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>
	<1E930442-DEA8-4E63-A270-D21C2C6F05D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <149301cbabd1$1225c1d0$36714570$@sonic.net>

AKA: Mountain View Road

David Willson
707-321-1429

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jan  3 23:00:11 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:00:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <7E4A192B-2487-4397-B79D-BE33E20908D8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B390@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

You are very right. We did an overnight at the Pelican a couple of months ago.
We had fun overall but management of the facility was a bit lacking. Darts and
the Snook, plus restaurant fireplace and small tub in room made it feel
authentic...especially with coastal mists.

I really enjoy Vladimirs in Inverness. Try a taste of Becherovka with their
Czech Pilsner.

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jan 03 21:22:34 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen

The combination of a dartboard, and well handled beer is sadly rare.
The Pelican Inn at Muir Beach is a wonderful old pub (shipped from the
UK lock stock and barrel) but they manage to ruin any perfectly good
beer that is not in a bottle. Beer on tap is invariably over
carbonated and too cold.  When asked by the barmaid recently what I
thought of their pint I was very candid, and then told her that they
had real competition now over the hill in Mill Valley.  20 years ago
the publican cared.  Apparently not the case any longer.  A shame, I
used to really enjoy riding over the hill for a summer pint on the lawn.

The barmaid does her best to charm, but in the end it doesnt make up
for badly handled beer!

Cheers
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 3, 2011, at 7:45 PM, wkilch at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> How many restaurant have you seen last that charge dining customers
> for water and to-go containers. Sadly mismanaged. My friends and I
> used to go there to play darts. No more darts in SR.
>
> A charming bar maid might have kept the place alive.
>
> Walter
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:53:11
> To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's
> Revenge
> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention
> to the
> food or beer at that time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for
> both the
> MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings and
> their
> "Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill
> which has
> a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
> "Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a pint
> of
> Boddingtons on tap of course.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
> Hey Andy,
>
> Where is the Englander?
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>
>
>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was
>> there
>> for
>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on
>> tap.  I
>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can find
>> some
>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about one
>>> month
>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I
>>> didn't know
>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>
>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have
>>> closed
>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the
>>> familiar MG
>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I
>>> tried to
>>> get
>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>>> straight
>>> from the internet.
>>>
>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th
>>> anniversary of
>>> the
>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG car
>>> which
>>> was
>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG
>>> Featherweight
>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>> spattered
>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This
>>> turned
>>> into
>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>
>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich malty
>>> taste
>>> and
>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is
>>> always on
>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled
>>> Hen "Un"
>>> brew
>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather
>>> limited
>>> history
>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have to
>>> admit
>>> I
>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>
>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a
>>> prosperous New
>>> Year!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank and Candace
>>>
>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still
>>> ironing out
>>> the
>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may
>>> wander.
>>> F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for Porsche
>>> (sorry
>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>
>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,
>>> Ron!
>>> That
>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>
>>> See you all,
>>> Tim
>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down
>>> weather, a
>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the
>>> top up.
>>> I
>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents that.
>>> Call
>>> me
>>
>>> a
>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday
>>> left me
>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of my
>>> TR
>>> would
>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,
>>> post
>>> pics
>>> if there are any
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we may
>>>> be all
>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's been
>>>>> raining
>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The
>>>>> weather
>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll have a
>>>>> break
>>>>> at
>>>>> noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's
>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ride
>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 23:46:44 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:46:44 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <149301cbabd1$1225c1d0$36714570$@sonic.net>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
	<146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>
	<1E930442-DEA8-4E63-A270-D21C2C6F05D3@mac.com>
	<149301cbabd1$1225c1d0$36714570$@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E91B6F33-A7D9-4627-AD90-60339EFA376F@mac.com>

David,

Thanks.  I figure I have all day Thursday to get from Point Arena to  
Ukiah, so I will take it slow.
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:34 PM, David Willson wrote:

> AKA: Mountain View Road
>
> David Willson
> 707-321-1429
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From mewgull at sonic.net  Tue Jan  4 01:42:46 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:42:46 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <7EF2FF0F-C432-4298-AF2A-A94475E0AB92@sonic.net>

They lost their lease sometime last Spring.   Pity.

Gerry

On Jan 3, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's  
> Revenge
> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much attention  
> to the
> food or beer at that time.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From mewgull at sonic.net  Tue Jan  4 02:22:45 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 01:22:45 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Road trip north
In-Reply-To: <E91B6F33-A7D9-4627-AD90-60339EFA376F@mac.com>
References: <bay126-ds8DEC5EE1E842EBE7D9B8FD8050@phx.gbl>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B36E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20A544AB7F444F28A584DEB8EF015D26@Bonusroom>
	<EA6BC00012434F36BC7851ED40303801@mike>
	<54774AB6AC19456A86E91B38C6DE5D5A@Bonusroom>
	<A172FEA7DFF248849AA92FD84E1153EB@mike>
	<B520FC92-6D29-48C2-B328-EEE4EEF8CA42@mac.com>
	<4D975DC96F7F45D8BE18BBC1F488F0F2@Bonusroom>
	<146c01cbabbd$72ff3e50$58fdbaf0$@sonic.net>
	<1E930442-DEA8-4E63-A270-D21C2C6F05D3@mac.com>
	<149301cbabd1$1225c1d0$36714570$@sonic.net>
	<E91B6F33-A7D9-4627-AD90-60339EFA376F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00FD5564-73BB-44CE-86B3-D5F07543C95B@sonic.net>

I was last on Mountain View road two years ago and it was paved the  
entire way although there were some repairs underway resulting in  
short stretches of driving in dust/muck.  I think the longest bit was  
about 1/10 of a mile or less.   It's a great road and I've led a  
couple tours that way years ago.

Gerry


On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:46 PM, Mark Darley wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks.  I figure I have all day Thursday to get from Point Arena to  
> Ukiah, so I will take it slow.
> Mark
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:34 PM, David Willson wrote:
>
>> AKA: Mountain View Road

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From wbain at sonic.net  Tue Jan  4 13:17:45 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:17:45 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikj-bg9QRLz=9qRBWwrYzkjto5pH3bdMP=g0EjP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57E091906466497B8AD53721CE142504@Bonusroom>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B38E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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Message-ID: <CB4D6C99-AB61-4215-960F-92817A8FA39B@sonic.net>

Molly's Revenge plays regularly at the Scottish Games in Pleasanton.
They put on quite a show.

Cheers,

Wendell
59 Morgan

On Jan 3, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Norman S. Weinfeld wrote:

> Molly's Revenge! We hired them for our wedding! Quite the hoot they  
> were
> too. Apropos which, as the wife just pointed out when I mentioned  
> this note
> to her, there is a wacko Christian cult predicting the End of the  
> World for
> May 21st, our anniversary... Molly's Revenge?
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Frank Morris <morrisf at sidwater.org>  
> wrote:
>
>> What ever happened to the Black Rose in Santa Rosa? I saw Molly's  
>> Revenge
>> perform the many years ago. Great show. I didn't pay much  
>> attention to the
>> food or beer at that time.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Mon Jan 03 18:16:57 2011
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Mike, the Englander is in San Leandro.  It's the pub of choice for  
>> both the
>> MG Owners Club and Sorry Safari Touring Society monthly meetings  
>> and their
>> "Natter and Noggin" monthly meetings.  It's a sports bar and grill  
>> which
>> has
>> a number of meeting rooms and good pub food.  On Boxing Day I enjoyed
>> "Bangers, beans and chips", which was great, washed down with a  
>> pint of
>> Boddingtons on tap of course.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>> Hey Andy,
>>
>> Where is the Englander?
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>
>>
>>> Mike you might want to try the Englander for John Courage.  I was  
>>> there
>>> for
>>> Wendell's rainy Boxing Day ride and they have over 100 beers on  
>>> tap.  I
>>> remember John Courage from my previous life and it was a good beer.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:17 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>> Old Speckled Hen sounds good, BUT does anyone know where I can  
>>> find some
>>> John Courage. Haven't been able to find it anywhere for years.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] New Years Ride Old Speckled hen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Frank, I drank my first Old Speckled Hen beer over here about  
>>>> one
>>>> month
>>>> ago at the Hopmonk Tavern in Sebastopol.  It was great and I  
>>>> didn't know
>>>> they sold it over here.  Where did you find it in Sonoma?
>>>>
>>>> It was made close by the former MG plant in Abingdon, both have  
>>>> closed
>>>> since; hence the connection.  The logo for the beer is the  
>>>> familiar MG
>>>> Octagon, which is also on the beer taps on pubs back home.  I  
>>>> tried to
>>>> get
>>>> one last time I was there but to no avail. Here's the connection
>> straight
>>>> from the internet.
>>>>
>>>> The story of "Old Speckled Hen"
>>>>
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" was first brewed to celebrate the 50th  
>>>> anniversary of
>>>> the
>>>> MG car factory in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. Named after an old MG  
>>>> car which
>>>> was
>>>> used as the factory run around, they would park the old MG  
>>>> Featherweight
>>>> Fabric Saloon outside the paint shop where it would normally get
>>>> spattered
>>>> in paint and so it became known as the 'Owld Speckl'd Un'. This  
>>>> turned
>>>> into
>>>> "Old Speckled Hen" when the beer was unveiled.
>>>>
>>>> Since then the finely balanced beer with a distinctive rich  
>>>> malty taste
>>>> and
>>>> fruity aroma has attracted many fans, including the fox, who is  
>>>> always
>> on
>>>> the hunt for his Hen.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>>>> bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Frank Morris
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:10 PM
>>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of "Uns"...does anyun have much insight on The Speckled  
>>>> Hen
>> "Un"
>>>> brew
>>>> in celebration of MGs 50th in Abingdon? Interesting but rather  
>>>> limited
>>>> history
>>>> on Internet. I just tasted it for first time in Sonoma and have  
>>>> to admit
>>>> I
>>>> liked the unique rather fruity Brit ale brew.
>>>>
>>>> A toast to everyone in NoBBCC and MGOC...may ye all have a  
>>>> prosperous
>> New
>>>> Year!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank and Candace
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The red 61 MGA coupe is back on the road but I'm still  
>>>> ironing out
>>>> the
>>>> bugs. Not going to make the drive on Sun. Enjoy wherever ye may  
>>>> wander.
>>>> F.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Sat Jan 01 13:22:54 2011
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> ?I agree with Mike--except that putting the top up is for  
>>>> Porsche (sorry
>>>> those that drive Boxsters as second vehicles) drivers.
>>>>
>>>> In fact there is a good chance that I can join you all tomorrow,  
>>>> Ron!
>>>> That
>>>> would make at least two red 'uns. Hope so.
>>>>
>>>> See you all,
>>>> Tim
>>>> 1958 Red 'un MGA
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Gianandrea
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:01 PM
>>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>> No offense to anybody, but in my mind, every day is top down  
>>>> weather, a
>>>> little rain shouldn't hamper a good ride, wear a hat, or put the  
>>>> top up.
>>>> I
>>>> just wish I could join you, but surgery 10 days ago prevents  
>>>> that. Call
>>>> me
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> wimp, but two hours on my feet and driving in my Yukon yesterday  
>>>> left me
>>>> feeling extremely wimpy. Several hours in the passneger seat of  
>>>> my TR
>>>> would
>>>> probably leave me real uncomfortable. Have a good ride tomorrow,  
>>>> post
>>>> pics
>>>> if there are any
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> 64 TR4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update, New Years Ride
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, looks like the rain Sunday will be in the evening so we  
>>>>> may be all
>>>>> right at Noon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawson Church wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I live close to Bad Ass Coffee, on Mark West Springs Rd. It's  
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> raining
>>>>>> on and off all morning. So I guess we're going on Sunday. The  
>>>>>> weather
>>>>>> forecast for Sunday is also rainy, but with any luck, we'll  
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> break
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> noon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ron Engelhardt  
>>>>>> <nobbc at sonic.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The weather forecast is not looking promising for tomorrow's  
>>>>>>> ride but
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> look good for Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if it is raining tomorrow, we will postpone one day and  
>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>> Sunday. Noon at Bad Ass either way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>> 58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Tue Jan  4 13:34:13 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:34:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT139-W381AB8B94CEFF74748FC7DC3060@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BD9935FF-B709-4621-BD9C-695B58F74841@sonic.net>

Sounds pretty accurate for the era when I moved to SF from Kansas City
and you could go to GG Park any weekend and hear free concerts from
really good bands. The Airplane was one of them.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jan 2, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Al Garber wrote:

> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by  
> reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg]
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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 10 16:52:20 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:52:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
Message-ID: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..





Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna Edward's
old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at  johnathanedwards at gmail.com
Racer Bud

From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 10 18:03:28 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
Message-ID: <4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>

Yeah, I would like to have it...but $3000??? PASS!

Ron
58 MGA

Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RACER BUD
> To: RACER BUD
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
> Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna Edward's
> old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
> Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at  johnathanedwards at gmail.com
> Racer Bud
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 19:49:27 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:49:27 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
Message-ID: <3BBF94044AB847FD9C8E0C2BAEE384A1@Bonusroom>

I know that Mark Darley is looking for one but at $3k that seems a little
too steep even if it is concours quality.  But I may be wrong; I already
have a hardtop on mine which is real nice on these winter days.  We drove
out Chalk Hill on Sunday and it was great with the windows rolled up and the
heater on.  Very warm and snug, almost civilized.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:52 PM
To: nobbc
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..





Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna Edward's
old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at  johnathanedwards at gmail.com
Racer Bud
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 10 20:19:16 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:19:16 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>,
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w43727CD9E60DC4DF95965BD00F0@phx.gbl>

Yeah, $3k and then the real money starts.

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
>
> Yeah, I would like to have it...but $3000??? PASS!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RACER BUD
> > To: RACER BUD
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna
Edward's
> > old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
> > Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at  johnathanedwards at gmail.com
> > Racer Bud
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 10 20:22:17 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:22:17 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>,
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>

Ron,
    I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is STILL inop.
The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on this neoprene
tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it on 12/21
through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With the weather
and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever lately. I should
have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll show up and
you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really miss seeing
you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
                                                        Tom

> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
>
> Yeah, I would like to have it...but $3000??? PASS!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RACER BUD
> > To: RACER BUD
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna
Edward's
> > old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
> > Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at  johnathanedwards at gmail.com
> > Racer Bud
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 10 22:32:40 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:32:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <3BBF94044AB847FD9C8E0C2BAEE384A1@Bonusroom>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
	<3BBF94044AB847FD9C8E0C2BAEE384A1@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <EB25E001-57FE-4567-9AD9-F09581E98093@mac.com>

Well Andy, a hardtop is in fact a luxury.  I drove back down from  
Ukiah on Saturday and, despite the fog, did not rig the soft top  
until I was in Windsor.  I was rather conscious of feeling a bit like  
a World War One fighter pilot as passing motorists eyed me with  
wonder, no doubt wondering if I had a roof, as I proceeded south with  
a large down jacket and a warm wool hat and another leather jacket  
over my knees.  Fortunately I had earplugs with me to get me home to  
Mill Valley, and it did not surprise me when, despite the fact that I  
had removed my earplugs, my wife asked me half way through supper,  
why I was shouting at her!

Snug and civilized it was not, but stimulating it was!
Cheers,
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Andy Preston wrote:

> I know that Mark Darley is looking for one but at $3k that seems a  
> little
> too steep even if it is concours quality.  But I may be wrong; I  
> already
> have a hardtop on mine which is real nice on these winter days.  We  
> drove
> out Chalk Hill on Sunday and it was great with the windows rolled  
> up and the
> heater on.  Very warm and snug, almost civilized.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:52 PM
> To: nobbc
> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RACER BUD
> To: RACER BUD
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:52 PM
> Subject: Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE RARE..
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to JAY 'GODZILLA PATROL' LAMM for letting us know that Jonna  
> Edward's
> old Ex- Carrera Panam competition MGA hardtop is for sale in
> Sausalito....$3000.00  obo... contact John at   
> johnathanedwards at gmail.com
> Racer Bud
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Tue Jan 11 00:58:36 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:58:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: ALUMINIUM MGA HARDTOP FOR SALE  RARE..
In-Reply-To: <BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>,
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>

Well Tom, you still have time to get ready for the ride this coming 
Saturday ;-0

I did take a ride yesterday top down...wasn't too bad, invigorating even.

Ron
58 MGA

Tom Reier wrote:

> Ron,
>     I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is STILL inop.
> The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on this neoprene
> tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it on 12/21
> through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With the weather
> and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever lately. I should
> have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll show up and
> you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really miss seeing
> you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
>                                                         Tom

From mvg1 at att.net  Tue Jan 11 08:26:10 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:26:10 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1978 alfa romeo spider not running
Message-ID: <4F51E987E95A44E08B6D346FDF94BB4F@mike>

No takers for the aluminum top, here's an Alfa for $800, that looks decent.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:21 PM
Subject: Fw: 1978 alfa romeo spider not running





Thanks to KELLY 'THE SETUP MAN' CRIST for the following.
Racer Bud



http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/2151499836.html

From markdarley at mac.com  Wed Jan 12 12:37:32 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:37:32 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?
In-Reply-To: <4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>
	<4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>

Fellow drivers and oyster eaters:

I have tentatively booked Inverness Yacht Club for an Oyster Lunch on  
Saturday March 19th.
http://www.invernessyachtclub.com/

The fee to me as a member for use of the Club for up to 30 people is  
$100, plus $50-100 in cleanup charges.  (31-75 people, the fee jumps  
up to $250). I propose a small per-capita fee to cover this and the  
cost of the food purchases.

The Club has no employees and is an entirely volunteer run, very low- 
key sailing club, so don't expect anything smart.  This will be a do- 
it-yourself lunch with a view.  Parking is required to be in the  
small lots on either side of the road outside the gate with room for  
about 25 cars...no parking inside the boatyard.

I would like to hear what form the NBBC members would like to see it  
take.

I propose that we meet in Point Reyes Station for breakfast/coffee,  
then take a drive out to the lighthouse, and arrive at the Club for a  
late lunch of oysters, wine, beer, bread and cheese...all local. We  
would eat in the bar with a great view of the Tomales Bay(and  
ballroom if needed).

We would bring our own drinks (as IYC can only sell alcohol to yacht  
club members).
I will bring oysters, "Hog wash" vinigrette, cheese, bread, coffee  
and cream, as well as barbecue coals in case some prefer grilled  
oysters (a little heat also makes them easier to shuck).

Please offer up your suggestions/responses, including whether the  
date is practical for you.
We could certainly aim for a date later in the Spring if needed.  I  
just grabbed a date while it was available.


Cheers,
Mark
57 MGA

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Well Tom, you still have time to get ready for the ride this coming  
> Saturday ;-0
>
> I did take a ride yesterday top down...wasn't too bad, invigorating  
> even.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Tom Reier wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>     I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is  
>> STILL inop.
>> The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on  
>> this neoprene
>> tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it  
>> on 12/21
>> through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With  
>> the weather
>> and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever  
>> lately. I should
>> have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll  
>> show up and
>> you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really  
>> miss seeing
>> you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
>>                                                         Tom
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Wed Jan 12 13:12:27 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:12:27 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
Message-ID: <4D2E0B2B.5040004@sonic.net>

Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly 
clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!

We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No 
one has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.

Ron
58 MGA

From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 14:24:46 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:24:46 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?
In-Reply-To: <CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>
	<4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>
	<CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wExz+sWK3UPbFezEfXH-Z8=GwBm1ptA30g+Sr@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mark,
Thanks for arranging. Ordinarily I wouldn't pass up this destination drive
but I am on call that weekend.  Aw shucks.
Cheers,
Marty '53 MG TD

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

> Fellow drivers and oyster eaters:
>
> I have tentatively booked Inverness Yacht Club for an Oyster Lunch on
> Saturday March 19th.
> http://www.invernessyachtclub.com/
>
> The fee to me as a member for use of the Club for up to 30 people is
> $100, plus $50-100 in cleanup charges.  (31-75 people, the fee jumps
> up to $250). I propose a small per-capita fee to cover this and the
> cost of the food purchases.
>
> The Club has no employees and is an entirely volunteer run, very low-
> key sailing club, so don't expect anything smart.  This will be a do-
> it-yourself lunch with a view.  Parking is required to be in the
> small lots on either side of the road outside the gate with room for
> about 25 cars...no parking inside the boatyard.
>
> I would like to hear what form the NBBC members would like to see it
> take.
>
> I propose that we meet in Point Reyes Station for breakfast/coffee,
> then take a drive out to the lighthouse, and arrive at the Club for a
> late lunch of oysters, wine, beer, bread and cheese...all local. We
> would eat in the bar with a great view of the Tomales Bay(and
> ballroom if needed).
>
> We would bring our own drinks (as IYC can only sell alcohol to yacht
> club members).
> I will bring oysters, "Hog wash" vinigrette, cheese, bread, coffee
> and cream, as well as barbecue coals in case some prefer grilled
> oysters (a little heat also makes them easier to shuck).
>
> Please offer up your suggestions/responses, including whether the
> date is practical for you.
> We could certainly aim for a date later in the Spring if needed.  I
> just grabbed a date while it was available.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 57 MGA
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>
> > Well Tom, you still have time to get ready for the ride this coming
> > Saturday ;-0
> >
> > I did take a ride yesterday top down...wasn't too bad, invigorating
> > even.
> >
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA
> >
> > Tom Reier wrote:
> >
> >> Ron,
> >>     I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is
> >> STILL inop.
> >> The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on
> >> this neoprene
> >> tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it
> >> on 12/21
> >> through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With
> >> the weather
> >> and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever
> >> lately. I should
> >> have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll
> >> show up and
> >> you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really
> >> miss seeing
> >> you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
> >>                                                         Tom
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Wed Jan 12 14:47:01 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:01 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
In-Reply-To: <4D2E0B2B.5040004@sonic.net>
References: <4D2E0B2B.5040004@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <000f01cbb2a2$4032d3b0$c0987b10$@com>

don't give me that poop about taking your mini. I'll take mine too

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly 
clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!

We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No 
one has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.

Ron
58 MGA
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Wed Jan 12 14:49:40 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:49:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?
In-Reply-To: <CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike><4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net><BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl><4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>
	<CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B416@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Mark:  This future event sounds great...and that ain't no Hog Wash!  I
would volunteer to help set-up and/or clean-up as needed.  Also
certainly willing to contribute some $$ to make the event happen as this
is one of my favorite destination areas.  Oysters would be great. I
always look longingly in at the little sailing club as I pass through
the area.  Small sailing craft and Little British Cars just seem to go
hand in hand.  I'll bring Tea for the Tillerman too!

Frank Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mark Darley
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:38 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?

Fellow drivers and oyster eaters:

I have tentatively booked Inverness Yacht Club for an Oyster Lunch on
Saturday March 19th.
http://www.invernessyachtclub.com/

The fee to me as a member for use of the Club for up to 30 people is
$100, plus $50-100 in cleanup charges.  (31-75 people, the fee jumps
up to $250). I propose a small per-capita fee to cover this and the
cost of the food purchases.

The Club has no employees and is an entirely volunteer run, very low-
key sailing club, so don't expect anything smart.  This will be a do-
it-yourself lunch with a view.  Parking is required to be in the
small lots on either side of the road outside the gate with room for
about 25 cars...no parking inside the boatyard.

I would like to hear what form the NBBC members would like to see it
take.

I propose that we meet in Point Reyes Station for breakfast/coffee,
then take a drive out to the lighthouse, and arrive at the Club for a
late lunch of oysters, wine, beer, bread and cheese...all local. We
would eat in the bar with a great view of the Tomales Bay(and
ballroom if needed).

We would bring our own drinks (as IYC can only sell alcohol to yacht
club members).
I will bring oysters, "Hog wash" vinigrette, cheese, bread, coffee
and cream, as well as barbecue coals in case some prefer grilled
oysters (a little heat also makes them easier to shuck).

Please offer up your suggestions/responses, including whether the
date is practical for you.
We could certainly aim for a date later in the Spring if needed.  I
just grabbed a date while it was available.


Cheers,
Mark
57 MGA

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Well Tom, you still have time to get ready for the ride this coming
> Saturday ;-0
>
> I did take a ride yesterday top down...wasn't too bad, invigorating
> even.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Tom Reier wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>     I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is
>> STILL inop.
>> The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on
>> this neoprene
>> tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it
>> on 12/21
>> through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With
>> the weather
>> and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever
>> lately. I should
>> have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll
>> show up and
>> you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really
>> miss seeing
>> you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
>>                                                         Tom
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Wed Jan 12 14:53:45 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:53:45 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wExz+sWK3UPbFezEfXH-Z8=GwBm1ptA30g+Sr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CF511615D7764F8BA9A5A25157259AB5@mike>
	<4D2BAC60.8080004@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w44E70E7A77F0332A00B1F4D00F0@phx.gbl>
	<4D2C0DAC.2050104@sonic.net>
	<CABA7923-477B-4C3E-AC81-942D30A0FE2F@mac.com>
	<AANLkTi=wExz+sWK3UPbFezEfXH-Z8=GwBm1ptA30g+Sr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001cbb2a3$3179f280$946dd780$@com>

Mark,

Sounds really good to me. Count me in for $10 - $20 or whatever it works out
to.
I can eat a lot of oysters! I'll bring the hot sauce.

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Martin Sinai Rayman
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:25 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Possible lunch at Inverness Yacht Club, March 19th?

Dear Mark,
Thanks for arranging. Ordinarily I wouldn't pass up this destination drive
but I am on call that weekend.  Aw shucks.
Cheers,
Marty '53 MG TD

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

> Fellow drivers and oyster eaters:
>
> I have tentatively booked Inverness Yacht Club for an Oyster Lunch on
> Saturday March 19th.
> http://www.invernessyachtclub.com/
>
> The fee to me as a member for use of the Club for up to 30 people is
> $100, plus $50-100 in cleanup charges.  (31-75 people, the fee jumps
> up to $250). I propose a small per-capita fee to cover this and the
> cost of the food purchases.
>
> The Club has no employees and is an entirely volunteer run, very low-
> key sailing club, so don't expect anything smart.  This will be a do-
> it-yourself lunch with a view.  Parking is required to be in the
> small lots on either side of the road outside the gate with room for
> about 25 cars...no parking inside the boatyard.
>
> I would like to hear what form the NBBC members would like to see it
> take.
>
> I propose that we meet in Point Reyes Station for breakfast/coffee,
> then take a drive out to the lighthouse, and arrive at the Club for a
> late lunch of oysters, wine, beer, bread and cheese...all local. We
> would eat in the bar with a great view of the Tomales Bay(and
> ballroom if needed).
>
> We would bring our own drinks (as IYC can only sell alcohol to yacht
> club members).
> I will bring oysters, "Hog wash" vinigrette, cheese, bread, coffee
> and cream, as well as barbecue coals in case some prefer grilled
> oysters (a little heat also makes them easier to shuck).
>
> Please offer up your suggestions/responses, including whether the
> date is practical for you.
> We could certainly aim for a date later in the Spring if needed.  I
> just grabbed a date while it was available.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 57 MGA
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>
> > Well Tom, you still have time to get ready for the ride this coming
> > Saturday ;-0
> >
> > I did take a ride yesterday top down...wasn't too bad, invigorating
> > even.
> >
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA
> >
> > Tom Reier wrote:
> >
> >> Ron,
> >>     I have not been avoiding the club lately...just that the S3 is
> >> STILL inop.
> >> The gas tank is beautifully repaired, but I've been WAITING on
> >> this neoprene
> >> tape to pad the frame rails where the tank goes in. I ordered it
> >> on 12/21
> >> through paypal, with my cc...and it finally shows up TODAY. With
> >> the weather
> >> and all, I haven't been exactly running with Scorpion Fever
> >> lately. I should
> >> have it back on the street in the next week or two. Honest, I'll
> >> show up and
> >> you can introduce the STRANGER in the three wheel car. I really
> >> miss seeing
> >> you guys. I hope you had a great Christmas and all.
> >>                                                         Tom
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From mvg1 at att.net  Wed Jan 12 18:50:18 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Britannia Parts and Conversions Corp Offers
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
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----- Original Message -----
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To: RACER BUD
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011


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    In case you live here or are going to visit,



                                --
                                ***************
                                BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
                                THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON THE
SUBJECT:
                                "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON TO
YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!

                                HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
Effective 01/06/2011

                                Please be extremely careful in your driving
and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke and
they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.

                                Effective immediately, if you do not stop at
the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with
flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of California is
going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford messing
with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure to
issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in fines
over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed
everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
                                Just for your info, the next time you park in
the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $ 1000
in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.

                                California needs money, so pay close attention
to the rules of the road!

                                          Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective
01/06/2011)

                                VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to obey
license provisions.

                                VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to notify
DMV of address change within 10 days
                                Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof
of correction.
                                VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
                                Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of
insurance on or after the violation date.

                                VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to stop
at a red signal.

                                VC 22349           $214        Unsafe speed,
1 to 15 miles over the limit.

                                VC 22350           $328         Unsafe speed,
16 to 25 miles over the limit.

                                VC 22450           $214         Failure to
stop at a stop sign.

                                VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a school
bus with flashing red signals.

                                VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving while
using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
                                                                       I know
someone who got this and it ending up being $274

                                VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving while
using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.

                                VC 23123.5        $148        Driving while
using a wireless device to send, read or write text.

                                VC 23124            $148       Minor driving
while using a wireless phone.

                                VC 22500            $976       Parking in a
bus loading area.

                                VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation of
disabled parking provisions, first offense.

                                VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation of
disabled parking provisions, second offense.

                                VC 26708            $178        Unlawful
material on vehicle windows.

                                VC 27150            $178        Adequate
muffler required.

                                VC 27315            $148        Mandatory use
of seat belts.

                                VC 27360            $436        Mandatory use
of passenger child restraints.
                                Note: This fine may be reduced by completing a
court authorized child seat diversion program .

                                VC 27400            $178        Headsets or
Earplugs covering both ears.

                                VC 27803            $178        Violation of
motorcycle safety helmet requirements.

                                VC 34506            $616        Commercial
Driver - Log book violation.

                                VC 4000              $256        No evidence
of current registration.
                                Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof
of correction.

                                VC 5200             $178         Proper
display of license plates.
                                Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof
of correction.

                                VC 9400             $178         Commercial
weight fees due.


                                Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof
of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donbt blame
the cops. They donbt set the fines or collect them!
                                **********************************





    =


  Daniel Desmond
  desmond at jps.net





  =

From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 18:58:31 2011
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Recommendation of a Good Body Worker
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=FG8AtrMTs_L=jFBRF7P-XZFptsiysTBVRpuq8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I've been using a guy who does expert prep for paint, $30/hr. He has all his
own tools and equipment, worked in my garage, though he can work on small
cars in his own garage. His name is Sergio and his phone 331 3112.

Just call him if you need him, don't email me back, because I'll be out of
town till Feb 7.

Cheers,

-- 
Dawson

From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 13 13:34:05 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:34:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic Tickets
 Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>

 Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
"Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has gone
up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable offense. In
the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop by
law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the officer
noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it online,
so I'm thinking it's just talk.
    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on the
back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost me
over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars when
they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to put on
this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate permanently.
    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving the
cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only. Lots of
states don't require a front plate.
                                                    Tom R

> From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RACER BUD
> To: RACER BUD
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
>
> thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> Racer Bud
>
>
>
>     In case you live here or are going to visit,
>
>
>
>                                 --
>                                 ***************
>                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
>                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON THE
> SUBJECT:
>                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON TO
> YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
>
>                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
> Effective 01/06/2011
>
>                                 Please be extremely careful in your driving
> and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke and
> they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
>
>                                 Effective immediately, if you do not stop
at
> the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus
with
> flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of California is
> going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford messing
> with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure to
> issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in fines
> over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed
> everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
>                                 Just for your info, the next time you park
in
> the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $
1000
> in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
>
>                                 California needs money, so pay close
attention
> to the rules of the road!
>
>                                           Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective
> 01/06/2011)
>
>                                 VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to
obey
> license provisions.
>
>                                 VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to
notify
> DMV of address change within 10 days
>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
proof
> of correction.
>                                 VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
> provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced with proof
of
> insurance on or after the violation date.
>
>                                 VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to
stop
> at a red signal.
>
>                                 VC 22349           $214        Unsafe
speed,
> 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
>
>                                 VC 22350           $328         Unsafe
speed,
> 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
>
>                                 VC 22450           $214         Failure to
> stop at a stop sign.
>
>                                 VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a
school
> bus with flashing red signals.
>
>                                 VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving while
> using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
>                                                                        I
know
> someone who got this and it ending up being $274
>
>                                 VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving while
> using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
>
>                                 VC 23123.5        $148        Driving while
> using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
>
>                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
driving
> while using a wireless phone.
>
>                                 VC 22500            $976       Parking in a
> bus loading area.
>
>                                 VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation of
> disabled parking provisions, first offense.
>
>                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation of
> disabled parking provisions, second offense.
>
>                                 VC 26708            $178        Unlawful
> material on vehicle windows.
>
>                                 VC 27150            $178        Adequate
> muffler required.
>
>                                 VC 27315            $148        Mandatory
use
> of seat belts.
>
>                                 VC 27360            $436        Mandatory
use
> of passenger child restraints.
>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by completing
a
> court authorized child seat diversion program .
>
>                                 VC 27400            $178        Headsets or
> Earplugs covering both ears.
>
>                                 VC 27803            $178        Violation
of
> motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
>
>                                 VC 34506            $616        Commercial
> Driver - Log book violation.
>
>                                 VC 4000              $256        No
evidence
> of current registration.
>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
proof
> of correction.
>
>                                 VC 5200             $178         Proper
> display of license plates.
>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
proof
> of correction.
>
>                                 VC 9400             $178         Commercial
> weight fees due.
>
>
>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
proof
> of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donbt
blame
> the cops. They donbt set the fines or collect them!
>                                 **********************************
>
>
>
>
>
>     =
>
>
>   Daniel Desmond
>   desmond at jps.net
>
>
>
>
>
>   =
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From rolquinmac at me.com  Thu Jan 13 14:09:11 2011
From: rolquinmac at me.com (Roland Quintero)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:09:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
Message-ID: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com>

So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or anyone.....Any suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air on Hwy 80 from truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....

From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 13 14:47:36 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:47:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
	<BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <61A17F0F70BF4B1B93E4B3EC2D4060DD@mike>

Hi Tom,

I sent an article to the club server recently stating all the new fines and 
changes, and yes they are getting severe. But in addition to that, the cops 
are out for anything and everything. I was stopped one night in my 87 Camaro 
going home from work, seems a cop pulled up behind me at a stop light, then 
pulled me over at random and ran my plate. I asked why he stopped me, and he 
said just checking, you registration expires later this month. Moral of the 
story, be ready, they are out for anything and everything.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Reier" <bluesson at hotmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic Tickets 
Fines Effective 01/06/2011


> Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
>   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has 
> gone
> up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable 
> offense. In
> the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop 
> by
> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the 
> officer
> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP 
> you
> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
>    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it 
> online,
> so I'm thinking it's just talk.
>    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
> years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on 
> the
> back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
>    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost 
> me
> over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars 
> when
> they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to 
> put on
> this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
> bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate 
> permanently.
>    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving 
> the
> cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only. 
> Lots of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                    Tom R
>
>> From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
>> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 
>> 01/06/2011
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: RACER BUD
>> To: RACER BUD
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
>> Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>>
>>
>> thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
>> Racer Bud
>>
>>
>>
>>     In case you live here or are going to visit,
>>
>>
>>
>>                                 --
>>                                 ***************
>>                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
>>                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON 
>> THE
>> SUBJECT:
>>                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON 
>> TO
>> YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
>>
>>                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
>> Effective 01/06/2011
>>
>>                                 Please be extremely careful in your 
>> driving
>> and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke 
>> and
>> they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
>>
>>                                 Effective immediately, if you do not stop
> at
>> the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus
> with
>> flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of California 
>> is
>> going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford 
>> messing
>> with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure 
>> to
>> issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in 
>> fines
>> over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed
>> everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
>>                                 Just for your info, the next time you 
>> park
> in
>> the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $
> 1000
>> in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
>>
>>                                 California needs money, so pay close
> attention
>> to the rules of the road!
>>
>>                                           Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective
>> 01/06/2011)
>>
>>                                 VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to
> obey
>> license provisions.
>>
>>                                 VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to
> notify
>> DMV of address change within 10 days
>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
>> of correction.
>>                                 VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
>> provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced with proof
> of
>> insurance on or after the violation date.
>>
>>                                 VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to
> stop
>> at a red signal.
>>
>>                                 VC 22349           $214        Unsafe
> speed,
>> 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
>>
>>                                 VC 22350           $328         Unsafe
> speed,
>> 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
>>
>>                                 VC 22450           $214         Failure 
>> to
>> stop at a stop sign.
>>
>>                                 VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a
> school
>> bus with flashing red signals.
>>
>>                                 VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving 
>> while
>> using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
>>                                                                        I
> know
>> someone who got this and it ending up being $274
>>
>>                                 VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving 
>> while
>> using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
>>
>>                                 VC 23123.5        $148        Driving 
>> while
>> using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
>>
>>                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
> driving
>> while using a wireless phone.
>>
>>                                 VC 22500            $976       Parking in 
>> a
>> bus loading area.
>>
>>                                 VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation of
>> disabled parking provisions, first offense.
>>
>>                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation of
>> disabled parking provisions, second offense.
>>
>>                                 VC 26708            $178        Unlawful
>> material on vehicle windows.
>>
>>                                 VC 27150            $178        Adequate
>> muffler required.
>>
>>                                 VC 27315            $148        Mandatory
> use
>> of seat belts.
>>
>>                                 VC 27360            $436        Mandatory
> use
>> of passenger child restraints.
>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by 
>> completing
> a
>> court authorized child seat diversion program .
>>
>>                                 VC 27400            $178        Headsets 
>> or
>> Earplugs covering both ears.
>>
>>                                 VC 27803            $178        Violation
> of
>> motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
>>
>>                                 VC 34506            $616 
>> Commercial
>> Driver - Log book violation.
>>
>>                                 VC 4000              $256        No
> evidence
>> of current registration.
>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
>> of correction.
>>
>>                                 VC 5200             $178         Proper
>> display of license plates.
>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
>> of correction.
>>
>>                                 VC 9400             $178 
>> Commercial
>> weight fees due.
>>
>>
>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
>> of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donbt
> blame
>> the cops. They donbt set the fines or collect them!
>>                                 **********************************
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     =
>>
>>
>>   Daniel Desmond
>>   desmond at jps.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   =
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 14:48:13 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:48:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
	<BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D2F731D.5040608@gmail.com>

  On 1/13/2011 12:34 PM, Tom Reier wrote:
>   Lots of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                      Tom R
>
It's all about the red-light cameras now - they want to be able to 
photograph scofflaws.
A license plate almost completely blocks the front air intake of a Lotus 
Elan, so I'm thinking of perforating the heck out of ours if we have to 
use it.
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian

From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 15:38:17 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:38:17 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
	<BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinowFYBFA5wSQROi_bgpHoQsVv5f=SF_MXV6ndo@mail.gmail.com>

According to the wife of a CHP officer, that I know well, it is still "not a
primary cause of a stop by
law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the officer
noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.".  But that may
vary from unit to unit.  Who knows???
I have no front plate on my MG nor my Honda S2000.
Marty
'53 MG TD

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tom Reier <bluesson at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
>   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has gone
> up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable offense.
> In
> the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop
> by
> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
> officer
> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
>    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it
> online,
> so I'm thinking it's just talk.
>    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
> years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on the
> back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
>    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost
> me
> over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars
> when
> they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to put
> on
> this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
> bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate
> permanently.
>    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving the
> cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only. Lots
> of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                    Tom R
>
> > From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> > Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
> 01/06/2011
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RACER BUD
> > To: RACER BUD
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> >
> >
> > thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> > Racer Bud
> >
> >
> >
> >     In case you live here or are going to visit,
> >
> >
> >
> >                                 --
> >                                 ***************
> >                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
> >                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON
> THE
> > SUBJECT:
> >                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON
> TO
> > YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
> >
> >                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
> > Effective 01/06/2011
> >
> >                                 Please be extremely careful in your
> driving
> > and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke
> and
> > they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
> >
> >                                 Effective immediately, if you do not stop
> at
> > the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus
> with
> > flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of California
> is
> > going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford
> messing
> > with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure
> to
> > issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in
> fines
> > over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed
> > everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
> >                                 Just for your info, the next time you
> park
> in
> > the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $
> 1000
> > in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
> >
> >                                 California needs money, so pay close
> attention
> > to the rules of the road!
> >
> >                                           Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective
> > 01/06/2011)
> >
> >                                 VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to
> obey
> > license provisions.
> >
> >                                 VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to
> notify
> > DMV of address change within 10 days
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >                                 VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
> > provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
> >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced with proof
> of
> > insurance on or after the violation date.
> >
> >                                 VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to
> stop
> > at a red signal.
> >
> >                                 VC 22349           $214        Unsafe
> speed,
> > 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
> >
> >                                 VC 22350           $328         Unsafe
> speed,
> > 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
> >
> >                                 VC 22450           $214         Failure
> to
> > stop at a stop sign.
> >
> >                                 VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a
> school
> > bus with flashing red signals.
> >
> >                                 VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
> >                                                                        I
> know
> > someone who got this and it ending up being $274
> >
> >                                 VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 23123.5        $148        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
> >
> >                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
> driving
> > while using a wireless phone.
> >
> >                                 VC 22500            $976       Parking in
> a
> > bus loading area.
> >
> >                                 VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation of
> > disabled parking provisions, first offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation of
> > disabled parking provisions, second offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 26708            $178        Unlawful
> > material on vehicle windows.
> >
> >                                 VC 27150            $178        Adequate
> > muffler required.
> >
> >                                 VC 27315            $148        Mandatory
> use
> > of seat belts.
> >
> >                                 VC 27360            $436        Mandatory
> use
> > of passenger child restraints.
> >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by
> completing
> a
> > court authorized child seat diversion program .
> >
> >                                 VC 27400            $178        Headsets
> or
> > Earplugs covering both ears.
> >
> >                                 VC 27803            $178        Violation
> of
> > motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
> >
> >                                 VC 34506            $616
>  Commercial
> > Driver - Log book violation.
> >
> >                                 VC 4000              $256        No
> evidence
> > of current registration.
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >
> >                                 VC 5200             $178         Proper
> > display of license plates.
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >
> >                                 VC 9400             $178
> Commercial
> > weight fees due.
> >
> >
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donb t
> blame
> > the cops. They donb t set the fines or collect them!
> >                                 **********************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     =
> >
> >
> >   Daniel Desmond
> >   desmond at jps.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From csaul at noleak.com  Thu Jan 13 15:42:21 2011
From: csaul at noleak.com (Charlie Saul)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:42:21 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <4D2F731D.5040608@gmail.com>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
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Hi Guys,
Do you know if the front license plate needs to be centered? If so, this
could get interesting.

Best Regards,

Charlie
'52 Jag XK 120 OTS


Charles Saul B1, RWC
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:48 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

  On 1/13/2011 12:34 PM, Tom Reier wrote:
>   Lots of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                      Tom R
>
It's all about the red-light cameras now - they want to be able to
photograph scofflaws.
A license plate almost completely blocks the front air intake of a Lotus

Elan, so I'm thinking of perforating the heck out of ours if we have to
use it.
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
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From markdarley at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 15:56:06 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:56:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <61A17F0F70BF4B1B93E4B3EC2D4060DD@mike>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>
	<BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
	<61A17F0F70BF4B1B93E4B3EC2D4060DD@mike>
Message-ID: <74A45A1A-1FA6-4D7A-B046-C4C80519365D@mac.com>

Are the Colonists are getting their own back profiling British cars!

Actually no, the cops are also hassling minors driving anything in  
Marin, see the recent article in the Chronicle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/10/ 
EDDG1H5VS1.DTL

My son can attest to this.  He would frequently get stopped in Mill  
Valley, apparently just because he was driving a less-than-shiny  
vehicle in a town now known for shiny garaged european cars.  He has  
never once actually got a ticket (so far).

Mill Valley police should pay as much attention to the drivers of  
massive four wheelers that cruise right through our four-way stop  
signs while on the phone!  But hey, in order to raise money for the  
fine, those drivers might have to cut down on taking the car to the  
car-wash after driving through a puddle, ....

Too many spotless monster Lexus with lousy drivers in this town...one  
just missed me in the MGA this morning...hell, could my car be any  
brighter/louder??...time to move north?

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I sent an article to the club server recently stating all the new  
> fines and changes, and yes they are getting severe. But in addition  
> to that, the cops are out for anything and everything. I was  
> stopped one night in my 87 Camaro going home from work, seems a cop  
> pulled up behind me at a stop light, then pulled me over at random  
> and ran my plate. I asked why he stopped me, and he said just  
> checking, you registration expires later this month. Moral of the  
> story, be ready, they are out for anything and everything.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reier" <bluesson at hotmail.com>
> To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:34 PM
> Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California  
> Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
>
>> Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
>> "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
>>   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this  
>> has gone
>> up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable  
>> offense. In
>> the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of  
>> a stop by
>> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and  
>> the officer
>> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't  
>> STOP you
>> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
>>    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find  
>> it online,
>> so I'm thinking it's just talk.
>>    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in  
>> thirty
>> years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA  
>> plate on the
>> back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
>>    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going  
>> to cost me
>> over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200  
>> dollars when
>> they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm  
>> going to put on
>> this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount  
>> in the
>> bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate  
>> permanently.
>>    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not  
>> saving the
>> cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate  
>> only. Lots of
>> states don't require a front plate.
>>                                                    Tom R
>>
>>> From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
>>> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective  
>>> 01/06/2011
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: RACER BUD
>>> To: RACER BUD
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
>>> Racer Bud
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     In case you live here or are going to visit,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 --
>>>                                 ***************
>>>                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
>>>                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN  
>>> ARTICLE ON THE
>>> SUBJECT:
>>>                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS  
>>> IT ON TO
>>> YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
>>>
>>>                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets  
>>> Fines
>>> Effective 01/06/2011
>>>
>>>                                 Please be extremely careful in  
>>> your driving
>>> and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is  
>>> broke and
>>> they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
>>>
>>>                                 Effective immediately, if you do  
>>> not stop
>> at
>>> the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a  
>>> school bus
>> with
>>> flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of  
>>> California is
>>> going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot  
>>> afford messing
>>> with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under  
>>> pressure to
>>> issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30%  
>>> increase in fines
>>> over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras  
>>> installed
>>> everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
>>>                                 Just for your info, the next time  
>>> you park
>> in
>>> the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at  
>>> almost $
>> 1000
>>> in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
>>>
>>>                                 California needs money, so pay close
>> attention
>>> to the rules of the road!
>>>
>>>                                           Traffic Ticket Fines  
>>> (Effective
>>> 01/06/2011)
>>>
>>>                                 VC 12814.6    $214            
>>> Failure to
>> obey
>>> license provisions.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 14600(A)     $214          
>>> Failure to
>> notify
>>> DMV of address change within 10 days
>>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced  
>>> with valid
>> proof
>>> of correction.
>>>                                 VC 16028(A)     $796          
>>> Failure to
>>> provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
>>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced  
>>> with proof
>> of
>>> insurance on or after the violation date.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 21453(A)     $436          
>>> Failure to
>> stop
>>> at a red signal.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22349           $214         
>>> Unsafe
>> speed,
>>> 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22350           $328          
>>> Unsafe
>> speed,
>>> 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22450           $214          
>>> Failure to
>>> stop at a stop sign.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22454(A)      $616         
>>> Passing a
>> school
>>> bus with flashing red signals.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 23123(A)      $148         
>>> Driving while
>>> using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
>>>                                                                      
>>>    I
>> know
>>> someone who got this and it ending up being $274
>>>
>>>                                 VC 23123(B)      $256         
>>> Driving while
>>> using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 23123.5        $148         
>>> Driving while
>>> using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
>> driving
>>> while using a wireless phone.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22500            $976        
>>> Parking in a
>>> bus loading area.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22507(A)       $976        
>>> Violation of
>>> disabled parking provisions, first offense.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876        
>>> Violation of
>>> disabled parking provisions, second offense.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 26708            $178         
>>> Unlawful
>>> material on vehicle windows.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 27150            $178         
>>> Adequate
>>> muffler required.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 27315            $148         
>>> Mandatory
>> use
>>> of seat belts.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 27360            $436         
>>> Mandatory
>> use
>>> of passenger child restraints.
>>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by  
>>> completing
>> a
>>> court authorized child seat diversion program .
>>>
>>>                                 VC 27400            $178         
>>> Headsets or
>>> Earplugs covering both ears.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 27803            $178         
>>> Violation
>> of
>>> motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 34506            $616 Commercial
>>> Driver - Log book violation.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 4000              $256        No
>> evidence
>>> of current registration.
>>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced  
>>> with valid
>> proof
>>> of correction.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 5200             $178          
>>> Proper
>>> display of license plates.
>>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced  
>>> with valid
>> proof
>>> of correction.
>>>
>>>                                 VC 9400             $178 Commercial
>>> weight fees due.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced  
>>> with valid
>> proof
>>> of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but  
>>> donbt
>> blame
>>> the cops. They donbt set the fines or collect them!
>>>                                 **********************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     =
>>>
>>>
>>>   Daniel Desmond
>>>   desmond at jps.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 16:25:48 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:25:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
In-Reply-To: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com>
References: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com>
Message-ID: <7362A7C5C1444511B8D94956A0777FC1@williamsonPC>

There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by+air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 
Unfortunately you will have to pay for this advice.
Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the shoulder of the 
road within an "air trap".  So you probably also know they use a time and 
distance method for determining your speed.  But if the plane is going 
faster or slower than you, his line of sight to the lines will change.  This 
combined with two random clicks of his stop watch could also cause some 
error.  And who knows how if the distance between lines is accurate.
Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these errors are 
taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they use a radar gun to 
determine speed differential.  I think that would be a really tuff one to 
beat.
On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you want to 
dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate getting 
tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in my 50 year driving 
career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.  I went to court to fight that 
ticket, insulted the judge, and ended up in Santa Rita for a night for 
contempt of court.  I was only 25 at the time and it was during a time when 
"questioning authority" was in vogue.  He was a jerk of a judge, finding 
everybody in his court room guilty of their violation.  The other was in SF. 
I was driving a borrowed 54 Rambler.  This pile of crap couldn't go over 50 
mph, but I was sited for 70.  I went to court and explained this to the 
judge and he let be off.  Of course it helped that the officer didn't show 
up.
Good luck
Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one ticket.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Roland Quintero
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing

So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or anyone.....Any 
suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air on Hwy 80 from truckee 
to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 16:32:34 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:32:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
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Ticketassassin.com is the answer!

Ron
58 MGA

Roland Quintero wrote:

> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or anyone.....Any suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air on Hwy 80 from truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
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From mowog at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 17:04:33 2011
From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:04:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
Message-ID: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>

I was stopped last year driving my most boring car; 2003 VW Passat wagon, for
having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate. That's it. Red light stop on
the freeway by Napa police on CA 29. I offered to rip the thing off right
there and then but the cop said I couldn't do it and I had to remove it later
and then drive to a CHP office and have it checked. When I went to the CHP and
told them what happened, they looked at me like I was nuts. I had to pay a few
bucks to clear the ticket with the DMV. What's up with Napa police? They seem
to be the most nit-picking of the bunch.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 17:06:32 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:06:32 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
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I received a no front plate ticket in San Francisco a few years ago.  This 
was on top of the parking ticket.  At the time I was pissed, because I 
noticed three other cars on that block with no front plate.  When I 
questioned the no plate ticket at SFPD, I was told it was common to issue a 
ticket for no front plate, but they were not looking for it as a violation, 
like the parking ticket.  I don't remember there being a fine, but since I 
didn't have the front plate, I had to get new plates and get the ticket 
signed off at the DMV.
I would also be careful about punching a bunch of holes in the front plate. 
When I got my JH registered, I had to do an inspection.  I have bent the 
bottom of my front plate back to allow for better air flow.  The inspector 
told me, that it was against the law to tamper with the plate.  Since the 
bend had no effect on reading the numbers, he didn't make me replace it.
On a side note, motorcycles are note required to have a front plate, and the 
rear plate is tiny.  Not sure why the front plate exemption.  Any ideas on 
that?
Clif  74 JH



-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Sinai Rayman
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:38 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic 
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

According to the wife of a CHP officer, that I know well, it is still "not a
primary cause of a stop by
law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the officer
noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.".  But that may
vary from unit to unit.  Who knows???
I have no front plate on my MG nor my Honda S2000.
Marty
'53 MG TD

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tom Reier <bluesson at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
>   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has 
> gone
> up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable 
> offense.
> In
> the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop
> by
> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
> officer
> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP 
> you
> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
>    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it
> online,
> so I'm thinking it's just talk.
>    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
> years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on 
> the
> back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
>    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost
> me
> over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars
> when
> they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to 
> put
> on
> this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
> bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate
> permanently.
>    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving 
> the
> cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only. 
> Lots
> of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                    Tom R
>
> > From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> > Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
> 01/06/2011
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RACER BUD
> > To: RACER BUD
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> >
> >
> > thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> > Racer Bud
> >
> >
> >
> >     In case you live here or are going to visit,
> >
> >
> >
> >                                 --
> >                                 ***************
> >                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
> >                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON
> THE
> > SUBJECT:
> >                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON
> TO
> > YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
> >
> >                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
> > Effective 01/06/2011
> >
> >                                 Please be extremely careful in your
> driving
> > and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke
> and
> > they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
> >
> >                                 Effective immediately, if you do not 
> > stop
> at
> > the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus
> with
> > flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of California
> is
> > going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford
> messing
> > with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure
> to
> > issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in
> fines
> > over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras 
> > installed
> > everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
> >                                 Just for your info, the next time you
> park
> in
> > the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $
> 1000
> > in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
> >
> >                                 California needs money, so pay close
> attention
> > to the rules of the road!
> >
> >                                           Traffic Ticket Fines 
> > (Effective
> > 01/06/2011)
> >
> >                                 VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to
> obey
> > license provisions.
> >
> >                                 VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to
> notify
> > DMV of address change within 10 days
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >                                 VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
> > provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
> >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced with 
> > proof
> of
> > insurance on or after the violation date.
> >
> >                                 VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to
> stop
> > at a red signal.
> >
> >                                 VC 22349           $214        Unsafe
> speed,
> > 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
> >
> >                                 VC 22350           $328         Unsafe
> speed,
> > 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
> >
> >                                 VC 22450           $214         Failure
> to
> > stop at a stop sign.
> >
> >                                 VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a
> school
> > bus with flashing red signals.
> >
> >                                 VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
> >                                                                        I
> know
> > someone who got this and it ending up being $274
> >
> >                                 VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 23123.5        $148        Driving
> while
> > using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
> >
> >                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
> driving
> > while using a wireless phone.
> >
> >                                 VC 22500            $976       Parking 
> > in
> a
> > bus loading area.
> >
> >                                 VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation 
> > of
> > disabled parking provisions, first offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation of
> > disabled parking provisions, second offense.
> >
> >                                 VC 26708            $178        Unlawful
> > material on vehicle windows.
> >
> >                                 VC 27150            $178        Adequate
> > muffler required.
> >
> >                                 VC 27315            $148 
> > Mandatory
> use
> > of seat belts.
> >
> >                                 VC 27360            $436 
> > Mandatory
> use
> > of passenger child restraints.
> >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by
> completing
> a
> > court authorized child seat diversion program .
> >
> >                                 VC 27400            $178        Headsets
> or
> > Earplugs covering both ears.
> >
> >                                 VC 27803            $178 
> > Violation
> of
> > motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
> >
> >                                 VC 34506            $616
>  Commercial
> > Driver - Log book violation.
> >
> >                                 VC 4000              $256        No
> evidence
> > of current registration.
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >
> >                                 VC 5200             $178         Proper
> > display of license plates.
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction.
> >
> >                                 VC 9400             $178
> Commercial
> > weight fees due.
> >
> >
> >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with valid
> proof
> > of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donb t
> blame
> > the cops. They donb t set the fines or collect them!
> >                                 **********************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     =
> >
> >
> >   Daniel Desmond
> >   desmond at jps.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   =
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 17:15:54 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:15:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE44BAD4@AQUA-DC1>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl><4D2F731D.5040608@gmail.com>
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I checked DMV and couldn't find anything about the side to side location of 
a plate, front or rear.  Only vertically.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc5201.htm
Clif 74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Charlie Saul
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:42 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic 
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

Hi Guys,
Do you know if the front license plate needs to be centered? If so, this
could get interesting.

Best Regards,

Charlie
'52 Jag XK 120 OTS


Charles Saul B1, RWC
Principal

AQUATECH CONSULTANCY, INC.
One Commercial Blvd., Suite 201, Novato, CA 94949

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-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:48 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011

  On 1/13/2011 12:34 PM, Tom Reier wrote:
>   Lots of
> states don't require a front plate.
>                                                      Tom R
>
It's all about the red-light cameras now - they want to be able to
photograph scofflaws.
A license plate almost completely blocks the front air intake of a Lotus

Elan, so I'm thinking of perforating the heck out of ours if we have to
use it.
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
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From riprock99 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 17:35:48 2011
From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:35:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
In-Reply-To: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
References: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0E988788055C4C2DA3F7B2144EDB7551@ScottPC>

Inbreeding.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rod Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:04 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate

I was stopped last year driving my most boring car; 2003 VW Passat wagon, 
for
having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate. That's it. Red light stop 
on
the freeway by Napa police on CA 29. I offered to rip the thing off right
there and then but the cop said I couldn't do it and I had to remove it 
later
and then drive to a CHP office and have it checked. When I went to the CHP 
and
told them what happened, they looked at me like I was nuts. I had to pay a 
few
bucks to clear the ticket with the DMV. What's up with Napa police? They 
seem
to be the most nit-picking of the bunch.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 17:53:12 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:53:12 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
In-Reply-To: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
References: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <AE1B84B966C1436E8F3BDBAA3B5C9168@williamsonPC>

It's not just the police Rod.
We know people that put a rock face on the foundation of their house.  The 
neighbor complained, the city came out and made her take it down because she 
hadn't gotten planning commission approval or a permit.
Great place to live, eh?
Clif 74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rod Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:04 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate

I was stopped last year driving my most boring car; 2003 VW Passat wagon, 
for
having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate. That's it. Red light stop 
on
the freeway by Napa police on CA 29. I offered to rip the thing off right
there and then but the cop said I couldn't do it and I had to remove it 
later
and then drive to a CHP office and have it checked. When I went to the CHP 
and
told them what happened, they looked at me like I was nuts. I had to pay a 
few
bucks to clear the ticket with the DMV. What's up with Napa police? They 
seem
to be the most nit-picking of the bunch.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB
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From mowog at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 17:58:14 2011
From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:58:14 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!
In-Reply-To: <E79ECB67A9434C21BD3CEBD0CFE84E76@williamsonPC>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTinowFYBFA5wSQROi_bgpHoQsVv5f=SF_MXV6ndo@mail.gmail.com>
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Front plates don't have to be centered, as evidenced by late model Ford
Econolines, among others.

California Vehicle Code, Section 5201 "Positioning of Plates", only specifies
location of the rear plate. Seems like the front plate location is up for
grabs.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 13 18:07:02 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:07:02 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE44BAD4@AQUA-DC1>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>,
	<4D2F731D.5040608@gmail.com>,
	<661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE44BAD4@AQUA-DC1>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w333669FE5156A20AB101CBD0F30@phx.gbl>

Charlie, it doesn't have to be centered. Lack of symmetry is not a
crime...YET! The law says it must be firmly attached to the vehicle, not
hanging. And it can't be up on your dashboard. Also, your rear plate can't be
in the rear window, as our other club Mini owner had his. It has to be AFFIXED
to the exterior of the car, and there's even a set of numbers in inches about
how high and low it can be. Now I'm going to read the rest of the posts. And
yes, our "public servants" are out to cash us in if they can.
                                                       Tom R

> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:42:21 -0800
> From: csaul at noleak.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> Hi Guys,
> Do you know if the front license plate needs to be centered? If so, this
> could get interesting.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Charlie
> '52 Jag XK 120 OTS
>
>
> Charles Saul B1, RWC
> Principal
>
> AQUATECH CONSULTANCY, INC.
> One Commercial Blvd., Suite 201, Novato, CA 94949
>
> Please visit us on the web:  www.noleak.com
> csaul at noleak.com
> Office: (415) 884-2121, Fax: (415) 884-2443
> Cell phone: (415) 377-6577
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:48 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
> Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
>   On 1/13/2011 12:34 PM, Tom Reier wrote:
> >   Lots of
> > states don't require a front plate.
> >                                                      Tom R
> >
> It's all about the red-light cameras now - they want to be able to
> photograph scofflaws.
> A license plate almost completely blocks the front air intake of a Lotus
>
> Elan, so I'm thinking of perforating the heck out of ours if we have to
> use it.
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
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From mowog at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 18:07:19 2011
From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:07:19 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
In-Reply-To: <AE1B84B966C1436E8F3BDBAA3B5C9168@williamsonPC>
References: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
	<AE1B84B966C1436E8F3BDBAA3B5C9168@williamsonPC>
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Great place to live, eh?

I grew up there and my mom still does. It's a nice town but, oy veh, local
politics in Napa is beyond imagination. Happy to be in Petaluma now.

--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 13 18:11:01 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:11:01 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <74A45A1A-1FA6-4D7A-B046-C4C80519365D@mac.com>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike>,
	<BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>,
	<61A17F0F70BF4B1B93E4B3EC2D4060DD@mike>,
	<74A45A1A-1FA6-4D7A-B046-C4C80519365D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w64D46C38CF3285B0746FA1D0F30@phx.gbl>

 This is a bit off topic, but in general, whatever car you drive, it's best to
have four matching hubcaps, no broken glass, plates front and rear, up to date
tags and registration, and insurance papers and registration in the glove box
and rapidly accessible. Even if it's an old car, keep it washed, keep the
tires "glossy" and the hubcaps MATCHING on all four corners. This keeps you
from being "profiled" so much. (I'm being a bit facetious using the word
"profiled"...I don't want to stir up the ACLU!
                                                Tom R

> From: markdarley at mac.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:56:06 -0800
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> Are the Colonists are getting their own back profiling British cars!
>
> Actually no, the cops are also hassling minors driving anything in
> Marin, see the recent article in the Chronicle.
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/10/
> EDDG1H5VS1.DTL
>
> My son can attest to this.  He would frequently get stopped in Mill
> Valley, apparently just because he was driving a less-than-shiny
> vehicle in a town now known for shiny garaged european cars.  He has
> never once actually got a ticket (so far).
>
> Mill Valley police should pay as much attention to the drivers of
> massive four wheelers that cruise right through our four-way stop
> signs while on the phone!  But hey, in order to raise money for the
> fine, those drivers might have to cut down on taking the car to the
> car-wash after driving through a puddle, ....
>
> Too many spotless monster Lexus with lousy drivers in this town...one
> just missed me in the MGA this morning...hell, could my car be any
> brighter/louder??...time to move north?
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I sent an article to the club server recently stating all the new
> > fines and changes, and yes they are getting severe. But in addition
> > to that, the cops are out for anything and everything. I was
> > stopped one night in my 87 Camaro going home from work, seems a cop
> > pulled up behind me at a stop light, then pulled me over at random
> > and ran my plate. I asked why he stopped me, and he said just
> > checking, you registration expires later this month. Moral of the
> > story, be ready, they are out for anything and everything.
> >
> > Michael
> > 64 TR4
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Reier" <bluesson at hotmail.com>
> > To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:34 PM
> > Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California
> > Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> >
> >
> >> Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> >> "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
> >>   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this
> >> has gone
> >> up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable
> >> offense. In
> >> the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of
> >> a stop by
> >> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and
> >> the officer
> >> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't
> >> STOP you
> >> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
> >>    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find
> >> it online,
> >> so I'm thinking it's just talk.
> >>    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in
> >> thirty
> >> years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA
> >> plate on the
> >> back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
> >>    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going
> >> to cost me
> >> over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200
> >> dollars when
> >> they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm
> >> going to put on
> >> this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount
> >> in the
> >> bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate
> >> permanently.
> >>    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not
> >> saving the
> >> cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate
> >> only. Lots of
> >> states don't require a front plate.
> >>                                                    Tom R
> >>
> >>> From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> >>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> >>> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> >>> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
> >>> 01/06/2011
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: RACER BUD
> >>> To: RACER BUD
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> >>> Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> >>> Racer Bud
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     In case you live here or are going to visit,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                                 --
> >>>                                 ***************
> >>>                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
> >>>                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN
> >>> ARTICLE ON THE
> >>> SUBJECT:
> >>>                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS
> >>> IT ON TO
> >>> YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
> >>>
> >>>                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets
> >>> Fines
> >>> Effective 01/06/2011
> >>>
> >>>                                 Please be extremely careful in
> >>> your driving
> >>> and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is
> >>> broke and
> >>> they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
> >>>
> >>>                                 Effective immediately, if you do
> >>> not stop
> >> at
> >>> the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a
> >>> school bus
> >> with
> >>> flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of
> >>> California is
> >>> going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot
> >>> afford messing
> >>> with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under
> >>> pressure to
> >>> issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30%
> >>> increase in fines
> >>> over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras
> >>> installed
> >>> everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
> >>>                                 Just for your info, the next time
> >>> you park
> >> in
> >>> the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at
> >>> almost $
> >> 1000
> >>> in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
> >>>
> >>>                                 California needs money, so pay close
> >> attention
> >>> to the rules of the road!
> >>>
> >>>                                           Traffic Ticket Fines
> >>> (Effective
> >>> 01/06/2011)
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 12814.6    $214
> >>> Failure to
> >> obey
> >>> license provisions.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 14600(A)     $214
> >>> Failure to
> >> notify
> >>> DMV of address change within 10 days
> >>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced
> >>> with valid
> >> proof
> >>> of correction.
> >>>                                 VC 16028(A)     $796
> >>> Failure to
> >>> provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
> >>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced
> >>> with proof
> >> of
> >>> insurance on or after the violation date.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 21453(A)     $436
> >>> Failure to
> >> stop
> >>> at a red signal.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22349           $214
> >>> Unsafe
> >> speed,
> >>> 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22350           $328
> >>> Unsafe
> >> speed,
> >>> 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22450           $214
> >>> Failure to
> >>> stop at a stop sign.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22454(A)      $616
> >>> Passing a
> >> school
> >>> bus with flashing red signals.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 23123(A)      $148
> >>> Driving while
> >>> using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
> >>>
> >>>    I
> >> know
> >>> someone who got this and it ending up being $274
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 23123(B)      $256
> >>> Driving while
> >>> using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 23123.5        $148
> >>> Driving while
> >>> using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
> >> driving
> >>> while using a wireless phone.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22500            $976
> >>> Parking in a
> >>> bus loading area.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22507(A)       $976
> >>> Violation of
> >>> disabled parking provisions, first offense.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876
> >>> Violation of
> >>> disabled parking provisions, second offense.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 26708            $178
> >>> Unlawful
> >>> material on vehicle windows.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 27150            $178
> >>> Adequate
> >>> muffler required.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 27315            $148
> >>> Mandatory
> >> use
> >>> of seat belts.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 27360            $436
> >>> Mandatory
> >> use
> >>> of passenger child restraints.
> >>>                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by
> >>> completing
> >> a
> >>> court authorized child seat diversion program .
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 27400            $178
> >>> Headsets or
> >>> Earplugs covering both ears.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 27803            $178
> >>> Violation
> >> of
> >>> motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 34506            $616 Commercial
> >>> Driver - Log book violation.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 4000              $256        No
> >> evidence
> >>> of current registration.
> >>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced
> >>> with valid
> >> proof
> >>> of correction.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 5200             $178
> >>> Proper
> >>> display of license plates.
> >>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced
> >>> with valid
> >> proof
> >>> of correction.
> >>>
> >>>                                 VC 9400             $178 Commercial
> >>> weight fees due.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                                 Note: The fine may be reduced
> >>> with valid
> >> proof
> >>> of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but
> >>> donbt
> >> blame
> >>> the cops. They donbt set the fines or collect them!
> >>>                                 **********************************
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     =
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Daniel Desmond
> >>>   desmond at jps.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   =
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 18:12:16 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:12:16 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
In-Reply-To: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
References: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4D2FA2F0.7000901@sonic.net>

Heh, Napa is notorious. One club ride to Berryessa a few years back led 
to everyone receiving a no front license ticket thanks to Sgt. Stanley 
(AKA Officer Unfriendly) of the Napa county mounties. Guess he filled 
his quota that day! He was a stunningly obnoxious prick about it, really 
had his panties in a bunch.

Ron
58 MGA

Rod Williams wrote:

> I was stopped last year driving my most boring car; 2003 VW Passat wagon, for
> having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate. That's it. Red light stop on
> the freeway by Napa police on CA 29. I offered to rip the thing off right
> there and then but the cop said I couldn't do it and I had to remove it later
> and then drive to a CHP office and have it checked. When I went to the CHP and
> told them what happened, they looked at me like I was nuts. I had to pay a few
> bucks to clear the ticket with the DMV. What's up with Napa police? They seem
> to be the most nit-picking of the bunch.
> --
> Rod Williams
> Petaluma, California
> 1967 MGB

From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 13 18:23:19 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:23:19 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
 Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
In-Reply-To: <E79ECB67A9434C21BD3CEBD0CFE84E76@williamsonPC>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl>,
	<AANLkTinowFYBFA5wSQROi_bgpHoQsVv5f=SF_MXV6ndo@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E79ECB67A9434C21BD3CEBD0CFE84E76@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w46CD804E31D028666A54A5D0F30@phx.gbl>

Clif,
    Yes, the most notorious of meter maids are authorized to write you a
ticket for no front plate when they write your parking ticket. The good news
is that the $178 fine goes out the window for ten bucks and I think $15 for
having them sign it off when it's been installed on the car. It remains a huge
waste of time and manpower, however...imo.
     When the club gets together, ask Ron E to tell the Lake County story. I
was NOT on that run, but I was sorry i wasn't, just because it would have been
FUN to see the cop who was writing tickets for no front plate for a bunch of
the club drivers react when he realized that the Grinnall Scorpion ran a
MOTORCYCLE plate and needed no front plate. I'm betting he would have hassled
me about not wearing a motorcycle helmet, and I would have produced the
document I carry that shows the DMV reg for three wheelers like mine, which
basically EXEMPTS me from wearing a helmet. It's a little loophole few know
about. After the MC helmet law went into effect in California, the meter maids
bitched because they had to wear helmets when driving their little Cushman
type cab three wheelers. The state put a loophole in there that states that if
you have 3 wheels and are in a certain size and weight range (the car, not the
driver)  you are required to wear SEAT BELTS, not a helmet. I have four point
harnesses and roll bars, and that shuts them up fast. I had a Marin County
Sheriff hassle me one Saturday when I was in the company of a bunch of three
wheelers known as the Bolinas Cyclecar Club (run that name on google images
and see pictures of our lineup on that very day) right on the main drag of
Point Reyes Station, and when I told him the law, he didn't believe me until I
produced the paperwork. A small victory, and I loved it.
                                                  Tom R

> From: hawkview at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:06:32 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> I received a no front plate ticket in San Francisco a few years ago.  This
> was on top of the parking ticket.  At the time I was pissed, because I
> noticed three other cars on that block with no front plate.  When I
> questioned the no plate ticket at SFPD, I was told it was common to issue a
> ticket for no front plate, but they were not looking for it as a violation,
> like the parking ticket.  I don't remember there being a fine, but since I
> didn't have the front plate, I had to get new plates and get the ticket
> signed off at the DMV.
> I would also be careful about punching a bunch of holes in the front plate.
> When I got my JH registered, I had to do an inspection.  I have bent the
> bottom of my front plate back to allow for better air flow.  The inspector
> told me, that it was against the law to tamper with the plate.  Since the
> bend had no effect on reading the numbers, he didn't make me replace it.
> On a side note, motorcycles are note required to have a front plate, and the
> rear plate is tiny.  Not sure why the front plate exemption.  Any ideas on
> that?
> Clif  74 JH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Sinai Rayman
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:38 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FRONT PLATES AND THE NOBBC!! Fw: California Traffic
> Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
>
> According to the wife of a CHP officer, that I know well, it is still "not
a
> primary cause of a stop by
> law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
officer
> noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP you
> simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.".  But that may
> vary from unit to unit.  Who knows???
> I have no front plate on my MG nor my Honda S2000.
> Marty
> '53 MG TD
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tom Reier <bluesson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Ah, VC 5200 and Lake County with the NOBBC....(sung)
> > "Meeeemoooooooriiieeees!"
> >   I have HEARD, but cannot find it in print, that the fine on this has
> > gone
> > up (this $178 may be the new fine?) and that it is now a stoppable
> > offense.
> > In
> > the past, it was a "fix it ticket" that was not a primary cause of a stop
> > by
> > law enforcement. Another words, IF you were caught speeding, and the
> > officer
> > noted your lack of front plate, he'd write you up. But he wouldn't STOP
> > you
> > simply for lack of a front plate with all else being legal.
> >    Anybody know anything about this possible change? I can't find it
> > online,
> > so I'm thinking it's just talk.
> >    I have NOT had a front license plate on any of my vehicles in thirty
> > years. OK, my old 62 Mini Cooper had the UK plate up front, CA plate on
> > the
> > back. I was never bothered by leo's on that one.
> >    I have no front plate on my 07 Mini Cooper S. But if it' going to cost
> > me
> > over two hundred dollars (you know it's going to be way over 200 dollars
> > when
> > they put the ADMINISTRATIVE FEES on top of that $178 fine) I'm going to
> > put
> > on
> > this trick mount I have that allows mounting on the tow hook mount in the
> > bumper, rather than drilling and mounting an ugly license plate
> > permanently.
> >    Frankly, with the CA budget in ruins, I'm surprised we're not saving
> > the
> > cost of pressing those plates and going with a single rear plate only.
> > Lots
> > of
> > states don't require a front plate.
> >                                                    Tom R
> >
> > > From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> > > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:38 -0800
> > > Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
> > 01/06/2011
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: RACER BUD
> > > To: RACER BUD
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> > > Subject: Fw: California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks to CHARLI 'THE GRAPE' MONROE for the following.
> > > Racer Bud
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     In case you live here or are going to visit,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                                 --
> > >                                 ***************
> > >                                 BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
> > >                                 THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON
> > THE
> > > SUBJECT:
> > >                                 "FLOORING IT ON CAR FINES".  PASS IT ON
> > TO
> > > YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES!
> > >
> > >                                 HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines
> > > Effective 01/06/2011
> > >
> > >                                 Please be extremely careful in your
> > driving
> > > and car registration & insurance matters.  State of California is broke
> > and
> > > they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.
> > >
> > >                                 Effective immediately, if you do not
> > > stop
> > at
> > > the red light, be ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school
bus
> > with
> > > flashing red signals, you will be charged $616.  The state of
California
> > is
> > > going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You cannot afford
> > messing
> > > with them.  I have been hearing that Highway Patrols are under pressure
> > to
> > > issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in
> > fines
> > > over 2009, so beware of radar guns, highway and traffic cameras
> > > installed
> > > everywhere and the tougher enforcement of parking rules.
> > >                                 Just for your info, the next time you
> > park
> > in
> > > the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost
$
> > 1000
> > > in parking tickets, so it'd better be worth it.
> > >
> > >                                 California needs money, so pay close
> > attention
> > > to the rules of the road!
> > >
> > >                                           Traffic Ticket Fines
> > > (Effective
> > > 01/06/2011)
> > >
> > >                                 VC 12814.6    $214           Failure to
> > obey
> > > license provisions.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 14600(A)     $214         Failure to
> > notify
> > > DMV of address change within 10 days
> > >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > >                                 VC 16028(A)     $796         Failure to
> > > provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
> > >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced with
> > > proof
> > of
> > > insurance on or after the violation date.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 21453(A)     $436         Failure to
> > stop
> > > at a red signal.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22349           $214        Unsafe
> > speed,
> > > 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22350           $328         Unsafe
> > speed,
> > > 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22450           $214         Failure
> > to
> > > stop at a stop sign.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22454(A)      $616        Passing a
> > school
> > > bus with flashing red signals.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 23123(A)      $148        Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless phone not hands free, first offense .
> > >
I
> > know
> > > someone who got this and it ending up being $274
> > >
> > >                                 VC 23123(B)      $256        Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless phone not hands free, each subsequent offense.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 23123.5        $148        Driving
> > while
> > > using a wireless device to send, read or write text.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 23124            $148       Minor
> > driving
> > > while using a wireless phone.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22500            $976       Parking
> > > in
> > a
> > > bus loading area.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22507(A)       $976       Violation
> > > of
> > > disabled parking provisions, first offense.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 22507(B)     $1876       Violation
of
> > > disabled parking provisions, second offense.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 26708            $178
Unlawful
> > > material on vehicle windows.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 27150            $178
Adequate
> > > muffler required.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 27315            $148
> > > Mandatory
> > use
> > > of seat belts.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 27360            $436
> > > Mandatory
> > use
> > > of passenger child restraints.
> > >                                 Note: This fine may be reduced by
> > completing
> > a
> > > court authorized child seat diversion program .
> > >
> > >                                 VC 27400            $178
Headsets
> > or
> > > Earplugs covering both ears.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 27803            $178
> > > Violation
> > of
> > > motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 34506            $616
> >  Commercial
> > > Driver - Log book violation.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 4000              $256        No
> > evidence
> > > of current registration.
> > >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 5200             $178         Proper
> > > display of license plates.
> > >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction.
> > >
> > >                                 VC 9400             $178
> > Commercial
> > > weight fees due.
> > >
> > >
> > >                                 Note: The fine may be reduced with
valid
> > proof
> > > of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but donb t
> > blame
> > > the cops. They donb t set the fines or collect them!
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 13 18:36:52 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:36:52 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate
In-Reply-To: <4D2FA2F0.7000901@sonic.net>
References: <6BF7991C-4D6D-4303-8A3E-95E9DFDAD80F@sonic.net>,
	<4D2FA2F0.7000901@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w15E49563E69B3443B8D604D0F30@phx.gbl>

 As we said in the wine business, NAPA is for auto parts, Sonoma is for WINE.
 Keep smiling, folks, and don't look back. Someone might be gaining on you.
Tom R

> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:12:16 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate
>
> Heh, Napa is notorious. One club ride to Berryessa a few years back led
> to everyone receiving a no front license ticket thanks to Sgt. Stanley
> (AKA Officer Unfriendly) of the Napa county mounties. Guess he filled
> his quota that day! He was a stunningly obnoxious prick about it, really
> had his panties in a bunch.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Rod Williams wrote:
>
> > I was stopped last year driving my most boring car; 2003 VW Passat wagon,
for
> > having a clear plastic cover over my rear plate. That's it. Red light stop
on
> > the freeway by Napa police on CA 29. I offered to rip the thing off right
> > there and then but the cop said I couldn't do it and I had to remove it
later
> > and then drive to a CHP office and have it checked. When I went to the CHP
and
> > told them what happened, they looked at me like I was nuts. I had to pay a
few
> > bucks to clear the ticket with the DMV. What's up with Napa police? They
seem
> > to be the most nit-picking of the bunch.
> > --
> > Rod Williams
> > Petaluma, California
> > 1967 MGB
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From sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com  Thu Jan 13 20:16:11 2011
From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com (sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:16:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: YouTube - racing 1960..CORK CITY IRELAND
Message-ID: <05ED22C6C73C4408BD8EAD85DC6D2526@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Fw: YouTube - racing 1960..CORK CITY IRELAND





Hi Gang...Here's an old film of sports Car racing in Ireland..1960
Racer Bud



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxfIzE262WA&NR=1

From sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com  Thu Jan 13 20:16:36 2011
From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com (sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:16:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: YouTube - Jaguar racing at Manfeild, New Zealand
Message-ID: <B26CDBA2C4044B6D803B5F68EC7739BF@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
To: nobbc at sonic.net
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:13 PM
Subject: Fw: YouTube - Jaguar racing at Manfeild, New Zealand



----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:58 PM
Subject: Fw: YouTube - Jaguar racing at Manfeild, New Zealand





And now Gang..Modern Day Racing in NZ...an OLD JAG ROCKS!..and They're using a
STANDING START!
Racer bud



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6OGxHg3eIg&NR=1&feature=fvwp

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 21:59:04 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:59:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Youtube and Lotus Seven action
Message-ID: <4D2FD818.1000609@gmail.com>

This guy is a little better at parking than most...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9t1iV0RsJY

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 22:22:08 2011
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Youtube and Lotus Seven action
In-Reply-To: <4D2FD818.1000609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <204136.97707.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I want a Lotus 7!

W

--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
wrote:

> From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Nobbc] Youtube
and Lotus Seven action
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, January
13, 2011, 8:59 PM
> This guy is a little better at
> parking than most...
> 
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9t1iV0RsJY
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
>
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From mvg1 at att.net  Fri Jan 14 11:25:33 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:25:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fw=3A_BaT_Real_Estate=3A_Honda_Proving_Gro?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?unds_=C2=AB_BaT_=E2=3F=22_The_best_vintage_and_classic_car?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?s_for_sale_online?=
Message-ID: <F4BFA12B97274FAB89FDD88C37055A51@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:56 AM
Subject: Fw: BaT Real Estate: Honda Proving Grounds B+ BaT b?" The best
vintage and classic cars for sale online





thanks to BRING A TRAILER for the following...Race Facility for sale.
Racer Bud



http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/13/bat-real-estate-honda-proving-grounds/

From sirplb at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 13:59:41 2011
From: sirplb at aol.com (sirplb at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:59:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] NO FRONT PLATES
In-Reply-To: <661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE44BAD4@AQUA-DC1>
References: <6079EE02555A4CD7A090A1EF2049D5A7@mike><BLU153-w406E9B80ACD0A8695216CDD0F00@phx.gbl><4D2F731D.5040608@gmail.com>
	<661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE44BAD4@AQUA-DC1>
Message-ID: <8CD824518F49DEC-23BC-5188C@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com>

Gents,

For what it is worth, I've spoken to a couple of owners of brand new cars that
had no mechanism to even attach a front plate. (the dealership did give them
the plate in an envelope, but no attachment)

On another note, my boy drives a Subaru WRX with the front airdam. So as not
to obstruct the opening he put his plate on the ski racks on the roof last
summer.  He was pulled over a few weeks ago and was asked about the front
plate. He pointed to the roof rack. The officer nodded approval and gave him a
warning about this driving but nothing more was said about the plate on the
roof. . . . .

Cheers,

Pat

74 JH 14858

From wbain at sonic.net  Fri Jan 14 15:06:57 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:06:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
In-Reply-To: <7362A7C5C1444511B8D94956A0777FC1@williamsonPC>
References: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com>
	<7362A7C5C1444511B8D94956A0777FC1@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <A9BB72C3-9019-4BFC-92D9-29A9484C4248@sonic.net>

As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa  
GTV on
Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the  
third one
was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing  
90 plus
but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now  
I'm stuck
with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.

Cheers,

Wendell
59 Morgan

On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by 
> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en- 
> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay for  
> this advice.
> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the  
> shoulder of the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also  
> know they use a time and distance method for determining your  
> speed.  But if the plane is going faster or slower than you, his  
> line of sight to the lines will change.  This combined with two  
> random clicks of his stop watch could also cause some error.  And  
> who knows how if the distance between lines is accurate.
> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these  
> errors are taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they use  
> a radar gun to determine speed differential.  I think that would be  
> a really tuff one to beat.
> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you  
> want to dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate  
> getting tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in  
> my 50 year driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.  I  
> went to court to fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and ended  
> up in Santa Rita for a night for contempt of court.  I was only 25  
> at the time and it was during a time when "questioning authority"  
> was in vogue.  He was a jerk of a judge, finding everybody in his  
> court room guilty of their violation.  The other was in SF. I was  
> driving a borrowed 54 Rambler.  This pile of crap couldn't go over  
> 50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I went to court and explained this  
> to the judge and he let be off.  Of course it helped that the  
> officer didn't show up.
> Good luck
> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one  
> ticket.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or  
> anyone.....Any suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air  
> on Hwy 80 from truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
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From wbain at sonic.net  Fri Jan 14 15:10:58 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:10:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8B92.4060903@sonic.net>
References: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com>
	<4D2F8B92.4060903@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <051BE9D9-0265-4873-8FBD-9A5BA84CC0DB@sonic.net>

Ron,

Thanks. Glad you knew about this. Guess I should have asked before
I pled guilty. Oh well, live and learn.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Ticketassassin.com

From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 14 18:39:24 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
In-Reply-To: <A9BB72C3-9019-4BFC-92D9-29A9484C4248@sonic.net>
References: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com><7362A7C5C1444511B8D94956A0777FC1@williamsonPC>
	<A9BB72C3-9019-4BFC-92D9-29A9484C4248@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D0EC3B78444447338D86975CDAB62439@williamsonPC>

What did you have to pay for the 82 mph?
I got nailed once at the end of a line of about 20 cars out in the valley 
around Merced.  I was probably doing 70 in a 55, just going with the 
traffic.  He was in a Mustang with Radar, had just turned around and was 
coming toward me.  When I asked why he picked me out of the group, he said I 
would probably have been going faster if there hadn't been cars in front of 
me.  Real jerk.  That was my last violation back in 1997.  Boy did I get a 
razz from the three guys with me.
Sears Point?
Clif  74 Jensen Healey

-----Original Message----- 
From: wendell bain
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:06 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing

As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa
GTV on
Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the
third one
was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing
90 plus
but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now
I'm stuck
with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.

Cheers,

Wendell
59 Morgan

On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by 
> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en- 
> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay for  this 
> advice.
> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the  shoulder of 
> the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also  know they use a time 
> and distance method for determining your  speed.  But if the plane is 
> going faster or slower than you, his  line of sight to the lines will 
> change.  This combined with two  random clicks of his stop watch could 
> also cause some error.  And  who knows how if the distance between lines 
> is accurate.
> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these  errors are 
> taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they use  a radar gun to 
> determine speed differential.  I think that would be  a really tuff one to 
> beat.
> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you  want to 
> dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate  getting 
> tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in  my 50 year 
> driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.  I  went to court to 
> fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and ended  up in Santa Rita for a 
> night for contempt of court.  I was only 25  at the time and it was during 
> a time when "questioning authority"  was in vogue.  He was a jerk of a 
> judge, finding everybody in his  court room guilty of their violation. 
> The other was in SF. I was  driving a borrowed 54 Rambler.  This pile of 
> crap couldn't go over  50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I went to court 
> and explained this  to the judge and he let be off.  Of course it helped 
> that the  officer didn't show up.
> Good luck
> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one  ticket.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or  anyone.....Any 
> suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air  on Hwy 80 from 
> truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
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From mvg1 at att.net  Fri Jan 14 19:30:51 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:30:51 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
References: <4CA5F4BE-A310-477A-96AC-4EDC5CB41C20@me.com><7362A7C5C1444511B8D94956A0777FC1@williamsonPC><A9BB72C3-9019-4BFC-92D9-29A9484C4248@sonic.net>
	<D0EC3B78444447338D86975CDAB62439@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <DF7E7FA02441464C8379ABC3565637EC@mike>

Well hell, I''l chime in here. I got ticketed once in Petaluma for no seat 
belt. I had just stopped to get a burger, took my belt off to get some money 
out of my pocket, paid the bill and off I went, without even thinking about 
the belt. I passed a CHP cruiser heading up the street, and he actually 
turned around and chased me down and pulled me over, because he didn't see a 
belt on my shoulder. He let me go with a warning, but there a lot older cars 
out there that only have lap belts. wonder what they do about that.

Then one race day many moons ago, I was headed out to Sears Point with two 
kids in the car going to the Craftsman Truck Race. We were real late, had to 
wait for one of the kids, headed down 116, doing 80 in my Camaro, when I 
passed a slowpoke at a T intersection, and of course, there was a CHP 
cruiser parked right there. I saw him pull out in the rear view mirror, I 
knew I was toast so I pulled over and waited for him. License and 
registration please, and do you know how fast you were going? Do you know 
that you passed a car at a T intersection?, somewhat agitated. Then he asked 
where I was headed at that speed. Well, actually, we're going to the races. 
He was actually pretty decent about the whole thing, handed me the ticket 
$250.00, and said well, slow down, enjoy the races and this. My bad, a 
stupid thing to do, but I still seem to find myself doing 80 or 90 down that 
road all the time, must be something in the air down there.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing


> What did you have to pay for the 82 mph?
> I got nailed once at the end of a line of about 20 cars out in the valley 
> around Merced.  I was probably doing 70 in a 55, just going with the 
> traffic.  He was in a Mustang with Radar, had just turned around and was 
> coming toward me.  When I asked why he picked me out of the group, he said 
> I would probably have been going faster if there hadn't been cars in front 
> of me.  Real jerk.  That was my last violation back in 1997.  Boy did I 
> get a razz from the three guys with me.
> Sears Point?
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: wendell bain
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa
> GTV on
> Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the
> third one
> was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing
> 90 plus
> but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now
> I'm stuck
> with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
> 59 Morgan
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by 
>> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en- 
>> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay for  this 
>> advice.
>> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the  shoulder of 
>> the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also  know they use a 
>> time and distance method for determining your  speed.  But if the plane 
>> is going faster or slower than you, his  line of sight to the lines will 
>> change.  This combined with two  random clicks of his stop watch could 
>> also cause some error.  And  who knows how if the distance between lines 
>> is accurate.
>> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these  errors are 
>> taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they use  a radar gun to 
>> determine speed differential.  I think that would be  a really tuff one 
>> to beat.
>> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you  want to 
>> dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate  getting 
>> tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in  my 50 year 
>> driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.  I  went to court 
>> to fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and ended  up in Santa Rita for 
>> a night for contempt of court.  I was only 25  at the time and it was 
>> during a time when "questioning authority"  was in vogue.  He was a jerk 
>> of a judge, finding everybody in his  court room guilty of their 
>> violation. The other was in SF. I was  driving a borrowed 54 Rambler. 
>> This pile of crap couldn't go over  50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I 
>> went to court and explained this  to the judge and he let be off.  Of 
>> course it helped that the  officer didn't show up.
>> Good luck
>> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one  ticket.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>>
>> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or  anyone.....Any 
>> suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air  on Hwy 80 from 
>> truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
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From techyes at pacbell.net  Fri Jan 14 20:29:12 2011
From: techyes at pacbell.net (Sheryl)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:29:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
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Hi Guys,

We have a scheduling conflict, and will not be able to join you on Saturdays 
drive. 

Thank you, Dan, for the recommendation for the bolts - Reliable Hardware & Steel 
- they had what I needed no problem. :-)

See you on the next drive!
Sheryl & Dennis
1976 MGB x2





________________________________
From: John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 1:47:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

don't give me that poop about taking your mini. I'll take mine too

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly 
clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!

We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No 
one has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.

Ron
58 MGA
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 14 21:50:01 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:50:01 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
In-Reply-To: <DF7E7FA02441464C8379ABC3565637EC@mike>
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	<DF7E7FA02441464C8379ABC3565637EC@mike>
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I do the same thing on Lackville Highway, especially at the big sweeping 
curves at Stage Gultch.  You are right...there must be something in the air.
Clif  74 JH
PS.  Does anybody know the plan for tomorrow?


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:30 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing

Well hell, I''l chime in here. I got ticketed once in Petaluma for no seat
belt. I had just stopped to get a burger, took my belt off to get some money
out of my pocket, paid the bill and off I went, without even thinking about
the belt. I passed a CHP cruiser heading up the street, and he actually
turned around and chased me down and pulled me over, because he didn't see a
belt on my shoulder. He let me go with a warning, but there a lot older cars
out there that only have lap belts. wonder what they do about that.

Then one race day many moons ago, I was headed out to Sears Point with two
kids in the car going to the Craftsman Truck Race. We were real late, had to
wait for one of the kids, headed down 116, doing 80 in my Camaro, when I
passed a slowpoke at a T intersection, and of course, there was a CHP
cruiser parked right there. I saw him pull out in the rear view mirror, I
knew I was toast so I pulled over and waited for him. License and
registration please, and do you know how fast you were going? Do you know
that you passed a car at a T intersection?, somewhat agitated. Then he asked
where I was headed at that speed. Well, actually, we're going to the races.
He was actually pretty decent about the whole thing, handed me the ticket
$250.00, and said well, slow down, enjoy the races and this. My bad, a
stupid thing to do, but I still seem to find myself doing 80 or 90 down that
road all the time, must be something in the air down there.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing


> What did you have to pay for the 82 mph?
> I got nailed once at the end of a line of about 20 cars out in the valley 
> around Merced.  I was probably doing 70 in a 55, just going with the 
> traffic.  He was in a Mustang with Radar, had just turned around and was 
> coming toward me.  When I asked why he picked me out of the group, he said 
> I would probably have been going faster if there hadn't been cars in front 
> of me.  Real jerk.  That was my last violation back in 1997.  Boy did I 
> get a razz from the three guys with me.
> Sears Point?
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: wendell bain
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa
> GTV on
> Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the
> third one
> was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing
> 90 plus
> but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now
> I'm stuck
> with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
> 59 Morgan
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by 
>> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en- 
>> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay for  this 
>> advice.
>> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the  shoulder of 
>> the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also  know they use a 
>> time and distance method for determining your  speed.  But if the plane 
>> is going faster or slower than you, his  line of sight to the lines will 
>> change.  This combined with two  random clicks of his stop watch could 
>> also cause some error.  And  who knows how if the distance between lines 
>> is accurate.
>> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these  errors are 
>> taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they use  a radar gun to 
>> determine speed differential.  I think that would be  a really tuff one 
>> to beat.
>> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you  want to 
>> dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate  getting 
>> tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in  my 50 year 
>> driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.  I  went to court 
>> to fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and ended  up in Santa Rita for 
>> a night for contempt of court.  I was only 25  at the time and it was 
>> during a time when "questioning authority"  was in vogue.  He was a jerk 
>> of a judge, finding everybody in his  court room guilty of their 
>> violation. The other was in SF. I was  driving a borrowed 54 Rambler. 
>> This pile of crap couldn't go over  50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I 
>> went to court and explained this  to the judge and he let be off.  Of 
>> course it helped that the  officer didn't show up.
>> Good luck
>> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one  ticket.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>>
>> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or  anyone.....Any 
>> suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by air  on Hwy 80 from 
>> truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and thanks....
>> _______________________________________________
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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Sat Jan 15 09:22:29 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:22:29 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
In-Reply-To: <779971.87707.qm@web83601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Excellent.  We'll miss you today.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sheryl
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:29 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Hi Guys,

We have a scheduling conflict, and will not be able to join you on Saturdays drive. 

Thank you, Dan, for the recommendation for the bolts - Reliable Hardware & Steel
- they had what I needed no problem. :-)

See you on the next drive!
Sheryl & Dennis
1976 MGB x2





________________________________
From: John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 1:47:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

don't give me that poop about taking your mini. I'll take mine too

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!

We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No one has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.

Ron
58 MGA
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From wbain at sonic.net  Sat Jan 15 17:14:15 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:14:15 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
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I guess it's known as Infineon Raceway now. It will always be Sears  
Point Raceway to me.
It's better to have a driving instructor tell you that if you had hit  
the apex of the last turn
a little closer you could carry MORE speed into the next turn and  
COULD GO FASTER!!!
Racing in addictive. A lot more fun than going to Safeway for a  
carton of milk.

Wendell

On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> What did you have to pay for the 82 mph?
> I got nailed once at the end of a line of about 20 cars out in the  
> valley around Merced.  I was probably doing 70 in a 55, just going  
> with the traffic.  He was in a Mustang with Radar, had just turned  
> around and was coming toward me.  When I asked why he picked me out  
> of the group, he said I would probably have been going faster if  
> there hadn't been cars in front of me.  Real jerk.  That was my  
> last violation back in 1997.  Boy did I get a razz from the three  
> guys with me.
> Sears Point?
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
> -----Original Message----- From: wendell bain
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa
> GTV on
> Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the
> third one
> was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing
> 90 plus
> but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now
> I'm stuck
> with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
> 59 Morgan
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by  
>> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-  
>> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay  
>> for  this advice.
>> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the   
>> shoulder of the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also   
>> know they use a time and distance method for determining your   
>> speed.  But if the plane is going faster or slower than you, his   
>> line of sight to the lines will change.  This combined with two   
>> random clicks of his stop watch could also cause some error.  And   
>> who knows how if the distance between lines is accurate.
>> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these   
>> errors are taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they  
>> use  a radar gun to determine speed differential.  I think that  
>> would be  a really tuff one to beat.
>> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you   
>> want to dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate   
>> getting tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in   
>> my 50 year driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.   
>> I  went to court to fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and  
>> ended  up in Santa Rita for a night for contempt of court.  I was  
>> only 25  at the time and it was during a time when "questioning  
>> authority"  was in vogue.  He was a jerk of a judge, finding  
>> everybody in his  court room guilty of their violation. The other  
>> was in SF. I was  driving a borrowed 54 Rambler.  This pile of  
>> crap couldn't go over  50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I went to  
>> court and explained this  to the judge and he let be off.  Of  
>> course it helped that the  officer didn't show up.
>> Good luck
>> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one   
>> ticket.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>>
>> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or   
>> anyone.....Any suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by  
>> air  on Hwy 80 from truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and  
>> thanks....
>> _______________________________________________
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Sat Jan 15 17:22:20 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:22:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Top Down Berryessa  Day
Message-ID: <4D323A3C.5000201@sonic.net>

What a great ride we had today out to Lake Berryessa. We couldn't have 
asked for better weather, I'm even a little sun-burned! I posted some 
pics here: 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=95448&id=1069767349&l=21d01875a3 
of todays ride. They are mixed in with pics from our first ride this 
year two weeks ago.

Ron
58 MGA

From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sat Jan 15 18:14:32 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:14:32 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
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Dan,

nice job driving that MG today.

I never seen a MGB go so fast before!!!!!

Ron was scaring me a little in the wet turns on that last section home
so I fell behind a little until he got stuck behind that pickup.

Usually no cops on those back country roads, luckily for us!!

Great ride today. Unfortunately I'm going to miss the next one,
Dawson's 3rd valentine's day ride. My wife is forcing me to go to Hawaii
with her.

See you in March,

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Daniel Drummond
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Excellent.  We'll miss you today.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sheryl
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:29 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Hi Guys,

We have a scheduling conflict, and will not be able to join you on Saturdays
drive. 

Thank you, Dan, for the recommendation for the bolts - Reliable Hardware &
Steel
- they had what I needed no problem. :-)

See you on the next drive!
Sheryl & Dennis
1976 MGB x2





________________________________
From: John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 1:47:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

don't give me that poop about taking your mini. I'll take mine too

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:12 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder

Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly
clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!

We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No one
has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.

Ron
58 MGA
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sat Jan 15 19:06:59 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:06:59 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] no more California ticketing
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yeah, Sears Point, and that new ballpark they built in S.F. will always be
called New Candlestick by me!!!!!!!

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of wendell bain
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing

I guess it's known as Infineon Raceway now. It will always be Sears  
Point Raceway to me.
It's better to have a driving instructor tell you that if you had hit  
the apex of the last turn
a little closer you could carry MORE speed into the next turn and  
COULD GO FASTER!!!
Racing in addictive. A lot more fun than going to Safeway for a  
carton of milk.

Wendell

On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> What did you have to pay for the 82 mph?
> I got nailed once at the end of a line of about 20 cars out in the  
> valley around Merced.  I was probably doing 70 in a 55, just going  
> with the traffic.  He was in a Mustang with Radar, had just turned  
> around and was coming toward me.  When I asked why he picked me out  
> of the group, he said I would probably have been going faster if  
> there hadn't been cars in front of me.  Real jerk.  That was my  
> last violation back in 1997.  Boy did I get a razz from the three  
> guys with me.
> Sears Point?
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
> -----Original Message----- From: wendell bain
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>
> As you say, you play, you pay. I was caught driving a friends 72 Alfa
> GTV on
> Bodega Hwy last April. Three cars came around a blind turn and the
> third one
> was CHP. He got me with radar using instant on. I was probably doing
> 90 plus
> but managed to slow down to the cited speed of 82. Not fun and now
> I'm stuck
> with it. I think I will save this stuff for Sears Pt.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
> 59 Morgan
>
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> There seem to be plenty of offers of help on Google:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=speeding+ticket+by  
>> +air&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-  
>> US:official&client=firefox-a Unfortunately you will have to pay  
>> for  this advice.
>> Most of you have probably noticed the diagonal lines on the   
>> shoulder of the road within an "air trap".  So you probably also   
>> know they use a time and distance method for determining your   
>> speed.  But if the plane is going faster or slower than you, his   
>> line of sight to the lines will change.  This combined with two   
>> random clicks of his stop watch could also cause some error.  And   
>> who knows how if the distance between lines is accurate.
>> Of course, if this method has become computerized, then these   
>> errors are taken out of the formula.  Or it could be that they  
>> use  a radar gun to determine speed differential.  I think that  
>> would be  a really tuff one to beat.
>> On the other hand, you were probably speeding, correct?  If you   
>> want to dance, you have to pay the piper, I always say.  I hate   
>> getting tickets...they suck, but I can only think of two times in   
>> my 50 year driving career when I got a ticket, I didn't deserve.   
>> I  went to court to fight that ticket, insulted the judge, and  
>> ended  up in Santa Rita for a night for contempt of court.  I was  
>> only 25  at the time and it was during a time when "questioning  
>> authority"  was in vogue.  He was a jerk of a judge, finding  
>> everybody in his  court room guilty of their violation. The other  
>> was in SF. I was  driving a borrowed 54 Rambler.  This pile of  
>> crap couldn't go over  50 mph, but I was sited for 70.  I went to  
>> court and explained this  to the judge and he let be off.  Of  
>> course it helped that the  officer didn't show up.
>> Good luck
>> Clif  74 "very red" Jensen Healey.  Owned since new, and not one   
>> ticket.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Roland Quintero
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:09 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing
>>
>> So now that we are talking about tickets.... Michael or   
>> anyone.....Any suggestions on appealing speeding ticket done by  
>> air  on Hwy 80 from truckee to sacto.?????  Help!!!!!!!  and  
>> thanks....
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Sat Jan 15 19:48:57 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:48:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] California ticketing, Sears Point
Message-ID: <043201cbb527$ecaa8020$c5ff8060$@sonic.net>

Love Sears Point, and it'll always be that name for me, too.  I've never
been on the track on a car before; always been on a bike on one of the
trackdays.  But I'd *love* to get my Jensen Healey on it.  It's pretty much
dialed in except for the motor, which (if any of you had to drive through
the occasional cloud of smoke it let out) is tired, to say the least.  But
Huffaker is building me a new motor in his spare time, and then I'll be
ready. Bwaaahaaahaaaa.

David
74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia'
Sebastopol, CA, USA
LotsaParts

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 19:53:27 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:53:27 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
Message-ID: <4D325DA7.1000902@gmail.com>

Thanks for posting the pictures, Ron.

Trish and I couldn't make today's drive. We're preparing for a new 
addition to the stable next week - a Lotus Elan coupe to keep the 
drophead Elan company. I also added a 4 post lift to the garage; all of 
you who have attended my tech sessions or came to the BBQ last year know 
how small that space is, so you can imagine that it's a challenge to fit 
everything inside.

Good to hear Dan had the MGB back on the road - I know it's been down 
for a bit. Looks like you all had outstanding weather, and Berryessa is 
a great destination.

We'll see everyone next time, at Dawson's Drive. Except of course, for 
poor John, who will be suffering in Hawaii.

Cheers,
Greg and Trish Tatarian

From nobbc at sonic.net  Sat Jan 15 20:52:15 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:52:15 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Yeah, you missed a good one! And I didn't have the only red MGA there as 
Gianni and Deb from Lake Co. were on the ride today in their sweet MKII. 
I can't wait to see your new Lotus, will it be sorted for Dawson's ride?

We stopped to rest at the same spot where we were all given no front 
plate tickets. No cops today! In fact, the roads were fairly empty 
considering what a great day it was!

Ron
58 MGA


Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Thanks for posting the pictures, Ron.
> 
> Trish and I couldn't make today's drive. We're preparing for a new 
> addition to the stable next week - a Lotus Elan coupe to keep the 
> drophead Elan company. I also added a 4 post lift to the garage; all of 
> you who have attended my tech sessions or came to the BBQ last year know 
> how small that space is, so you can imagine that it's a challenge to fit 
> everything inside.
> 
> Good to hear Dan had the MGB back on the road - I know it's been down 
> for a bit. Looks like you all had outstanding weather, and Berryessa is 
> a great destination.
> 
> We'll see everyone next time, at Dawson's Drive. Except of course, for 
> poor John, who will be suffering in Hawaii.
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg and Trish Tatarian
> _______________________________________________

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 21:27:30 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:27:30 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Hi Ron,

Yes, it's a nice car, though I will have a tiny fiberglass repair to do 
after we get a chance to enjoy the car for awhile. That will include 
Dawson's drive, if it's not raining.

Cheers,
Greg



On 1/15/2011 7:52 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> Yeah, you missed a good one! And I didn't have the only red MGA there 
> as Gianni and Deb from Lake Co. were on the ride today in their sweet 
> MKII. I can't wait to see your new Lotus, will it be sorted for 
> Dawson's ride?
>
> We stopped to rest at the same spot where we were all given no front 
> plate tickets. No cops today! In fact, the roads were fairly empty 
> considering what a great day it was!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
>
> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting the pictures, Ron.
>>
>> Trish and I couldn't make today's drive. We're preparing for a new 
>> addition to the stable next week - a Lotus Elan coupe to keep the 
>> drophead Elan company. I also added a 4 post lift to the garage; all 
>> of you who have attended my tech sessions or came to the BBQ last 
>> year know how small that space is, so you can imagine that it's a 
>> challenge to fit everything inside.
>>
>> Good to hear Dan had the MGB back on the road - I know it's been down 
>> for a bit. Looks like you all had outstanding weather, and Berryessa 
>> is a great destination.
>>
>> We'll see everyone next time, at Dawson's Drive. Except of course, 
>> for poor John, who will be suffering in Hawaii.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg and Trish Tatarian
>> _______________________________________________
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jan 15 23:13:11 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:13:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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No.  Some of were not scofflaws.   But 5 out of 6 were.
Where in the heck were the plates suppose to go on MGs?
Seems they would either be in front of the grill or dragging
on the ground.
It was a great ride.  Ron driving like a crazy man as usual.
Thanks Ron for the lead out, and making sure we all got there.
Beautiful day to go with it.
Clif and Deborah
74 Jensen Healey
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:52 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive

Yeah, you missed a good one! And I didn't have the only red MGA there as
Gianni and Deb from Lake Co. were on the ride today in their sweet MKII.
I can't wait to see your new Lotus, will it be sorted for Dawson's ride?

We stopped to rest at the same spot where we were all given no front
plate tickets. No cops today! In fact, the roads were fairly empty
considering what a great day it was!

Ron
58 MGA


Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Thanks for posting the pictures, Ron.
>
> Trish and I couldn't make today's drive. We're preparing for a new 
> addition to the stable next week - a Lotus Elan coupe to keep the drophead 
> Elan company. I also added a 4 post lift to the garage; all of you who 
> have attended my tech sessions or came to the BBQ last year know how small 
> that space is, so you can imagine that it's a challenge to fit everything 
> inside.
>
> Good to hear Dan had the MGB back on the road - I know it's been down for 
> a bit. Looks like you all had outstanding weather, and Berryessa is a 
> great destination.
>
> We'll see everyone next time, at Dawson's Drive. Except of course, for 
> poor John, who will be suffering in Hawaii.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg and Trish Tatarian
> _______________________________________________
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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Sun Jan 16 17:32:58 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:32:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
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John,
Yup, that was a screamer. I went into that one curve a gear to high and by the time I got things sorted out, you guys were GONE!  The B ran just great. A good workout and a great ride. One of the best.  

Dan

Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:30 PM, John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com> wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> nice job driving that MG today.
> 
> I never seen a MGB go so fast before!!!!!
> 
> Ron was scaring me a little in the wet turns on that last section home
> so I fell behind a little until he got stuck behind that pickup.
> 
> Usually no cops on those back country roads, luckily for us!!
> 
> Great ride today. Unfortunately I'm going to miss the next one,
> Dawson's 3rd valentine's day ride. My wife is forcing me to go to Hawaii
> with her.
> 
> See you in March,
> 
> JOHN KENNER
> 
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Drummond
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:22 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
> 
> Excellent.  We'll miss you today.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Sheryl
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:29 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> We have a scheduling conflict, and will not be able to join you on Saturdays
> drive. 
> 
> Thank you, Dan, for the recommendation for the bolts - Reliable Hardware &
> Steel
> - they had what I needed no problem. :-)
> 
> See you on the next drive!
> Sheryl & Dennis
> 1976 MGB x2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 1:47:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
> 
> don't give me that poop about taking your mini. I'll take mine too
> 
> JOHN KENNER
> 
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:12 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Nobbc] Ride Reminder
> 
> Looks like the weather will be favorable for our ride Saturday, mostly
> clear, temps in the low 60's...top down all the way!
> 
> We will meet behind Bad Ass Coffee at Noon (Old Red and Mark West). No one
> has suggested a destination yet so the group present will decide. 
> Dawson's Valentines Day ride will be our Feb. ride, details later.
> 
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Sun Jan 16 17:38:48 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:38:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Greg,
Sorry you and Trish couldn't make it yesterday. Yes, the MGB is back on the road and all seems well. I had the distributer rebuilt and that seems to have taken care of the timing problem. But then one of the freeze plugs gave way and left me stranded out in Jenner a few weeks back. But all is sorted out now.  See you at Dawson's next month. Debbie is coming along so no over the top driving for me. 

Dan

Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for posting the pictures, Ron.
> 
> Trish and I couldn't make today's drive. We're preparing for a new 
> addition to the stable next week - a Lotus Elan coupe to keep the 
> drophead Elan company. I also added a 4 post lift to the garage; all of 
> you who have attended my tech sessions or came to the BBQ last year know 
> how small that space is, so you can imagine that it's a challenge to fit 
> everything inside.
> 
> Good to hear Dan had the MGB back on the road - I know it's been down 
> for a bit. Looks like you all had outstanding weather, and Berryessa is 
> a great destination.
> 
> We'll see everyone next time, at Dawson's Drive. Except of course, for 
> poor John, who will be suffering in Hawaii.
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg and Trish Tatarian
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 09:52:38 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:52:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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  Hi Dan,

On 1/16/2011 4:38 PM, Daniel Drummond wrote:
> Greg,
> Sorry you and Trish couldn't make it yesterday. Yes, the MGB is back on the road and all seems well. I had the distributer rebuilt and that seems to have taken care of the timing problem.
Great. Who did the work?
>   But then one of the freeze plugs gave way and left me stranded out in Jenner a few weeks back.
Hmm. Interesting. That's pretty unusual for a relatively fresh engine, 
and in a region without deep freezes.
>   But all is sorted out now.  See you at Dawson's next month. Debbie is coming along so no over the top driving for me.
Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads 
got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.

Cheers,
Greg
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 10:27:05 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:27:05 -0800
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Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little "sporty" 
on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The 
road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an 
MG to his collection ;-0

Ron
58 MGA

Greg Tatarian wrote:

> 
> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads 
> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg
> 
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 10:40:26 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:40:26 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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  D'OH!!

I hate it when I do that!

Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.

That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives, 
if not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty", 
including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with 
us who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom 
we've never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC 
who have told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no 
longer participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging 
of drivers who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our 
drives.

Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives, 
to split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do 
not. It requires a leader for each group who know the route and 
destination, but keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to 
be why we get together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers 
get their kicks, but those who don't want to push it as much still have 
the chance to participate as a group. I think many of us like to push 
ourselves and our cars from time to time, but we don't want to cause 
accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and some of us carry passengers who 
don't appreciate being flung around the cars.

Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also 
publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the 
club, keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together 
on the drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of 
years. It's especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good 
job. I know when the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the 
throttle a bit.

Cheers,

Greg

On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little 
> "sporty" on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built 
> for! The road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs 
> to add an MG to his collection ;-0
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the 
>> roads got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> __

From norman.weinfeld at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 10:52:25 2011
From: norman.weinfeld at gmail.com (Norman S. Weinfeld)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:52:25 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Well put Greg. I find myself vacillating between the two camps. Some days I
feel like tearing around and others I don't. I always enjoy trying to keep
up with Ron (for a while), all the while reminding myself that he knows
these roads like the back of his hand and I do not. And I am also not
getting any shorter in the proverbial tooth as you so kindly point out...
The man's road selection, however, is without peer IMHO, so your solution
sounds terrific to me!

Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
'55 XK140 DHC

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

>  D'OH!!
>
> I hate it when I do that!
>
> Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
>
> That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives, if
> not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty",
> including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with us
> who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom we've
> never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC who have
> told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no longer
> participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging of drivers
> who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our drives.
>
> Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives, to
> split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do not.
> It requires a leader for each group who know the route and destination, but
> keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to be why we get
> together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers get their kicks, but
> those who don't want to push it as much still have the chance to participate
> as a group. I think many of us like to push ourselves and our cars from time
> to time, but we don't want to cause accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and
> some of us carry passengers who don't appreciate being flung around the
> cars.
>
> Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also
> publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the club,
> keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together on the
> drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of years. It's
> especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good job. I know when
> the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the throttle a bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little "sporty"
>> on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The road
>> was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an MG to his
>> collection ;-0
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads
>>> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>  Dan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>>
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From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 11:09:30 2011
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:09:30 -1000
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Thanks, Greg, that's a great idea! I drove behind Ron. For my Jensen Healey,
it was the first sprint after getting repaired, it had been sitting, broken,
for the previous decade! The drive really helped me feel confident in the
car, so fast worked well for me in that instance.

However, especially on rides like Valentine's Day, when we have spouses, a
more sedate option would be good.

Thanks again for the suggestion. We'll do this next month for sure, since
I'm the host.

Dawson


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Norman S. Weinfeld <
norman.weinfeld at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well put Greg. I find myself vacillating between the two camps. Some days I
> feel like tearing around and others I don't. I always enjoy trying to keep
> up with Ron (for a while), all the while reminding myself that he knows
> these roads like the back of his hand and I do not. And I am also not
> getting any shorter in the proverbial tooth as you so kindly point out...
> The man's road selection, however, is without peer IMHO, so your solution
> sounds terrific to me!
>
> Norm Weinfeld
> San Francisco
> '55 XK140 DHC
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  D'OH!!
> >
> > I hate it when I do that!
> >
> > Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
> >
> > That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives,
> if
> > not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty",
> > including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with us
> > who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom we've
> > never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC who
> have
> > told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no longer
> > participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging of
> drivers
> > who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our drives.
> >
> > Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives,
> to
> > split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do
> not.
> > It requires a leader for each group who know the route and destination,
> but
> > keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to be why we get
> > together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers get their kicks,
> but
> > those who don't want to push it as much still have the chance to
> participate
> > as a group. I think many of us like to push ourselves and our cars from
> time
> > to time, but we don't want to cause accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc.,
> and
> > some of us carry passengers who don't appreciate being flung around the
> > cars.
> >
> > Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also
> > publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the club,
> > keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together on the
> > drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of years.
> It's
> > especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good job. I know when
> > the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the throttle a bit.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> >
> >> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little "sporty"
> >> on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The
> road
> >> was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an MG to
> his
> >> collection ;-0
> >>
> >> Ron
> >> 58 MGA
> >>
> >> Greg Tatarian wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads
> >>> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>>  Dan
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> __
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 17 11:24:57 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:24:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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What the hell is the point of having a 'SPORTS CAR' if you do not want to 
drive a little sporty. I would hate to discourage anyone from coming out to 
show and drive thier beloved lbc's, whether it is rough and wrinkled, as 
nice as Andy's beautifully restored MGA, or anywhere in between. But these 
cars were made to enjoy, physically and esthetically. And besides, I can't 
say that I have acutally seen any of our club rides get anywhere near out of 
hand speed wise, they have all been pretty mild mannered as far as I can 
recall. In fact, the best ride I can remember was the ride to the cheese 
factory, afterwards, having fun following Wendell in his Morgan, and Sarteau 
in his Lotus zipping in the back road to D Street in Petaluma after the 
ride. It may well be a good idea to split  the groups into two halves, 
allowing each driver to choose his style. To Ron, petal to metal, just 'keep 
it between the navigational boowies', as the saying goes.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive


>  D'OH!!
>
> I hate it when I do that!
>
> Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
>
> That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives, 
> if not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty", 
> including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with us 
> who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom we've 
> never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC who have 
> told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no longer 
> participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging of 
> drivers who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our 
> drives.
>
> Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives, to 
> split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do not. 
> It requires a leader for each group who know the route and destination, 
> but keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to be why we get 
> together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers get their kicks, 
> but those who don't want to push it as much still have the chance to 
> participate as a group. I think many of us like to push ourselves and our 
> cars from time to time, but we don't want to cause accidents or hit a 
> bicyclist, etc., and some of us carry passengers who don't appreciate 
> being flung around the cars.
>
> Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also 
> publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the club, 
> keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together on the 
> drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of years. 
> It's especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good job. I know 
> when the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the throttle a 
> bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
> On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little "sporty" 
>> on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The 
>> road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an 
>> MG to his collection ;-0
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads 
>>> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> __
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Mon Jan 17 11:23:55 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:23:55 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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We seem to know when to go fast and when to go slower.
It's usually when a small amount turn out that the speed goes up.

I for one love driving behind Ron and almost always try to position myself
right behind him. I enjoy a spirited ride. When I lead rides I drive fast
if it looks like the crowd warrants it and slower when not.
A larger crowd usually means a slower crowd. And those that want
to go slower do, and we wait for them at some point. I don't think it's a
big deal.

As for those who prefer WCC over NOBBC  I think it's because
they like to drink wine during their drives and go out for a fancy lunch
somewhere.
I personally don't believe in drinking and driving.
You think all those speeding tickets that have been talked about are
expensive, wait
till they catch you coming out of a winery. And they are there
waiting!!!!!!!!!

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dawson Church
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:10 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive

Thanks, Greg, that's a great idea! I drove behind Ron. For my Jensen Healey,
it was the first sprint after getting repaired, it had been sitting, broken,
for the previous decade! The drive really helped me feel confident in the
car, so fast worked well for me in that instance.

However, especially on rides like Valentine's Day, when we have spouses, a
more sedate option would be good.

Thanks again for the suggestion. We'll do this next month for sure, since
I'm the host.

Dawson


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Norman S. Weinfeld <
norman.weinfeld at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well put Greg. I find myself vacillating between the two camps. Some days
I
> feel like tearing around and others I don't. I always enjoy trying to keep
> up with Ron (for a while), all the while reminding myself that he knows
> these roads like the back of his hand and I do not. And I am also not
> getting any shorter in the proverbial tooth as you so kindly point out...
> The man's road selection, however, is without peer IMHO, so your solution
> sounds terrific to me!
>
> Norm Weinfeld
> San Francisco
> '55 XK140 DHC
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  D'OH!!
> >
> > I hate it when I do that!
> >
> > Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
> >
> > That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives,
> if
> > not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty",
> > including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with
us
> > who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom we've
> > never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC who
> have
> > told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no longer
> > participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging of
> drivers
> > who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our drives.
> >
> > Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives,
> to
> > split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do
> not.
> > It requires a leader for each group who know the route and destination,
> but
> > keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to be why we get
> > together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers get their kicks,
> but
> > those who don't want to push it as much still have the chance to
> participate
> > as a group. I think many of us like to push ourselves and our cars from
> time
> > to time, but we don't want to cause accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc.,
> and
> > some of us carry passengers who don't appreciate being flung around the
> > cars.
> >
> > Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also
> > publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the
club,
> > keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together on the
> > drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of years.
> It's
> > especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good job. I know
when
> > the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the throttle a bit.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> >
> >> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little
"sporty"
> >> on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The
> road
> >> was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an MG
to
> his
> >> collection ;-0
> >>
> >> Ron
> >> 58 MGA
> >>
> >> Greg Tatarian wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the
roads
> >>> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>>  Dan
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> __
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Mon Jan 17 11:36:57 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:36:57 -0800
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Greg,

I had the guys at British European in Cotati quarterback the project.  They sent the distributor back it to some guy in North Carolina for the rebuild.  While the car was in the shop, Mark noticed a coolant leak and traced it to a leaking middle (of three) freeze plug.  We both thought it a pretty unusual problem, especially, as you said, for a fresh rebuild and in an area not known for freezing temperatures.  So I had him replace the plug and as luck would have it, that's the one that gave way out in Jenner.  Steam and coolant everywhere. What a mess.  Hate seeing big clouds of steam coming up from under the bonnet. Thank goodness for AAA and a friendly farm house (no cell phone coverage out there).  Mark was appropriately chagrined that his new plug didn't hold and put in another one using some JB Weld to help keep it sealed.  Lest anyone think otherwise, Mark is great to work with and mistakes do happen from time to time.  No charge for the second repair of course.  So far everything seems to be holding up.  This weekend's ride was a good test and all went well.

Yes, the return ride was a bit lively as I was trying to catch Ron and John.  Let it be known, however, that I had both of them in my sights before a slow moving pick-up brought everything to a crawl.  :)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive

  Hi Dan,

On 1/16/2011 4:38 PM, Daniel Drummond wrote:
> Greg,
> Sorry you and Trish couldn't make it yesterday. Yes, the MGB is back on the road and all seems well. I had the distributer rebuilt and that seems to have taken care of the timing problem.
Great. Who did the work?
>   But then one of the freeze plugs gave way and left me stranded out in Jenner a few weeks back.
Hmm. Interesting. That's pretty unusual for a relatively fresh engine, and in a region without deep freezes.
>   But all is sorted out now.  See you at Dawson's next month. Debbie is coming along so no over the top driving for me.
Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.

Cheers,
Greg
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 11:48:06 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
In-Reply-To: <D8BAD06E267F4663AB17081828C1E33F@mike>
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  Agreed, Mike, which is why Trish and I have to Lotuses and know how to 
drive them.

On the other hand, we are a club of drivers with varied levels of skill 
and/or desire, and cars with varied levels of preparedness. Is there any 
room in our desire for sportiness to listen to comments from members 
(and past members) who have the nerve to bring it up, or do we want to 
just tell them to go away without ever telling those of us who organize 
the drives? I got strong comments from Dean a few years back when I led 
a very large group and after a late start left some participants behind, 
and I took that to heart. We aren't a race club, we're a classic British 
car club.

As another example, we used to have a member with a superb TR3 who also 
races a Formula 1/3000 car at 180 mph, who stopped attending the drives 
because they tended to go too fast for the drum brake cars. He gets his 
speed kicks on the track, and doesn't go nuts on the street. He told me 
why he left the club, as have about 7 other folks, so it's probably not 
about driving "a little sporty", but driving beyond where the driver or 
passenger of that car is comfortable. We can accommodate the full range, 
I believe, if we are at all willing to listen to the few who make the 
effort to say something, rather than just disappear.

I'm not trying to say anyone else shouldn't drive "sporty", but I think 
it's worth establishing if we're trying to exclude those who have 
different skill levels, speed of car, or outlook on how to participate 
when on a club drive. As far as my own culpability, I've lead GGLC 
drives at greater speeds than any NOBBC drives, but the group, 
expectations, cars, and circumstances have been different. During my 
driver's briefings, I tell the group that I'm splitting it into fast and 
slow
groups, that anyone who feels like they are pushing it too much should 
let themselves be passed where safe, but also that we want to stay as a 
group (or groups) as much as possible, and that blind turns, long 
downhills, bicycle routes, and streets with lots of driveways will slow 
the group down.

I'm glad there is discussion about this. My original comment was meant 
privately for Dan, but this is worth discussing, and has come up in our 
other clubs - both Lotus and Alfa. It seemed like a good opportunity to 
mention the views of past members who no longer participate...

Cheers,

Greg





On 1/17/2011 10:24 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> What the hell is the point of having a 'SPORTS CAR' if you do not want 
> to drive a little sporty. I would hate to discourage anyone from 
> coming out to show and drive thier beloved lbc's, whether it is rough 
> and wrinkled, as nice as Andy's beautifully restored MGA, or anywhere 
> in between. But these cars were made to enjoy, physically and 
> esthetically. And besides, I can't say that I have acutally seen any 
> of our club rides get anywhere near out of hand speed wise, they have 
> all been pretty mild mannered as far as I can recall. In fact, the 
> best ride I can remember was the ride to the cheese factory, 
> afterwards, having fun following Wendell in his Morgan, and Sarteau in 
> his Lotus zipping in the back road to D Street in Petaluma after the 
> ride. It may well be a good idea to split  the groups into two halves, 
> allowing each driver to choose his style. To Ron, petal to metal, just 
> 'keep it between the navigational boowies', as the saying goes.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive
>
>
>>  D'OH!!
>>
>> I hate it when I do that!
>>
>> Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
>>
>> That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our 
>> drives, if not the membership list, because our drives often get too 
>> "sporty", including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first 
>> drive with us who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and 
>> from whom we've never heard a peep from since. We've also lost 
>> members to the WCC who have told me that overly sporty driving was 
>> the reason they no longer participate. Of course, this may also just 
>> be the result of aging of drivers who no longer want to push it as we 
>> often may like to on our drives.
>>
>> Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club 
>> drives, to split the group into two - those who want to go fast and 
>> those who do not. It requires a leader for each group who know the 
>> route and destination, but keeps each of the groups together, which 
>> is supposed to be why we get together as a group anyhow. That way the 
>> faster drivers get their kicks, but those who don't want to push it 
>> as much still have the chance to participate as a group. I think many 
>> of us like to push ourselves and our cars from time to time, but we 
>> don't want to cause accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and some of 
>> us carry passengers who don't appreciate being flung around the cars.
>>
>> Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me 
>> also publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with 
>> the club, keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group 
>> together on the drives, which you have been very good about these 
>> last couple of years. It's especially not easy when there is a big 
>> turnout, so good job. I know when the group gets smaller, it is more 
>> enticing to open the throttle a bit.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little 
>>> "sporty" on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were 
>>> built for! The road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe 
>>> John needs to add an MG to his collection ;-0
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the 
>>>> roads got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these 
>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> __

From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 17 12:48:04 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
References: <4D325DA7.1000902@gmail.com><9CCDBE34-A399-4834-84BC-6AB2B708E586@drummondlaw.com><4D3473D6.102@gmail.com><4D347BE9.2070606@sonic.net>
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You know what they say Greg, 'Girls just want to have fun', so do I. But my 
real reason to participate in our club is to appreciate the beautiful cars, 
and their owners. Whether  we go fast or slow, I love it when we have a good 
turn out and assortment of cars, and I love how our members appreciate and 
take care of their cars, it shows. Any of us can go as fast as we want after 
the ride, and I usually do. See you soon.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive


>  Agreed, Mike, which is why Trish and I have to Lotuses and know how to 
> drive them.
>
> On the other hand, we are a club of drivers with varied levels of skill 
> and/or desire, and cars with varied levels of preparedness. Is there any 
> room in our desire for sportiness to listen to comments from members (and 
> past members) who have the nerve to bring it up, or do we want to just 
> tell them to go away without ever telling those of us who organize the 
> drives? I got strong comments from Dean a few years back when I led a very 
> large group and after a late start left some participants behind, and I 
> took that to heart. We aren't a race club, we're a classic British car 
> club.
>
> As another example, we used to have a member with a superb TR3 who also 
> races a Formula 1/3000 car at 180 mph, who stopped attending the drives 
> because they tended to go too fast for the drum brake cars. He gets his 
> speed kicks on the track, and doesn't go nuts on the street. He told me 
> why he left the club, as have about 7 other folks, so it's probably not 
> about driving "a little sporty", but driving beyond where the driver or 
> passenger of that car is comfortable. We can accommodate the full range, I 
> believe, if we are at all willing to listen to the few who make the effort 
> to say something, rather than just disappear.
>
> I'm not trying to say anyone else shouldn't drive "sporty", but I think 
> it's worth establishing if we're trying to exclude those who have 
> different skill levels, speed of car, or outlook on how to participate 
> when on a club drive. As far as my own culpability, I've lead GGLC drives 
> at greater speeds than any NOBBC drives, but the group, expectations, 
> cars, and circumstances have been different. During my driver's briefings, 
> I tell the group that I'm splitting it into fast and slow
> groups, that anyone who feels like they are pushing it too much should let 
> themselves be passed where safe, but also that we want to stay as a group 
> (or groups) as much as possible, and that blind turns, long downhills, 
> bicycle routes, and streets with lots of driveways will slow the group 
> down.
>
> I'm glad there is discussion about this. My original comment was meant 
> privately for Dan, but this is worth discussing, and has come up in our 
> other clubs - both Lotus and Alfa. It seemed like a good opportunity to 
> mention the views of past members who no longer participate...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 10:24 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>> What the hell is the point of having a 'SPORTS CAR' if you do not want to 
>> drive a little sporty. I would hate to discourage anyone from coming out 
>> to show and drive thier beloved lbc's, whether it is rough and wrinkled, 
>> as nice as Andy's beautifully restored MGA, or anywhere in between. But 
>> these cars were made to enjoy, physically and esthetically. And besides, 
>> I can't say that I have acutally seen any of our club rides get anywhere 
>> near out of hand speed wise, they have all been pretty mild mannered as 
>> far as I can recall. In fact, the best ride I can remember was the ride 
>> to the cheese factory, afterwards, having fun following Wendell in his 
>> Morgan, and Sarteau in his Lotus zipping in the back road to D Street in 
>> Petaluma after the ride. It may well be a good idea to split  the groups 
>> into two halves, allowing each driver to choose his style. To Ron, petal 
>> to metal, just 'keep it between the navigational boowies', as the saying 
>> goes.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive
>>
>>
>>>  D'OH!!
>>>
>>> I hate it when I do that!
>>>
>>> Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
>>>
>>> That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives, 
>>> if not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty", 
>>> including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with 
>>> us who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom 
>>> we've never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC 
>>> who have told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no 
>>> longer participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging 
>>> of drivers who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our 
>>> drives.
>>>
>>> Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives, 
>>> to split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do 
>>> not. It requires a leader for each group who know the route and 
>>> destination, but keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to 
>>> be why we get together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers 
>>> get their kicks, but those who don't want to push it as much still have 
>>> the chance to participate as a group. I think many of us like to push 
>>> ourselves and our cars from time to time, but we don't want to cause 
>>> accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and some of us carry passengers who 
>>> don't appreciate being flung around the cars.
>>>
>>> Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also 
>>> publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the 
>>> club, keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together 
>>> on the drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of 
>>> years. It's especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good 
>>> job. I know when the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the 
>>> throttle a bit.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little 
>>>> "sporty" on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built 
>>>> for! The road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs 
>>>> to add an MG to his collection ;-0
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the 
>>>>> roads got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these 
>>>>> days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> __
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 12:51:12 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:51:12 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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  Oh great.
Now I've got that damned song running through my head.
Thanks Mike, ;-)
Greg


On 1/17/2011 11:48 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> You know what they say Greg, 'Girls just want to have fun', so do I. 
> (snip)

From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 17 12:56:48 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: "Car of the Future??"]
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From csaul at noleak.com  Mon Jan 17 13:10:32 2011
From: csaul at noleak.com (Charlie Saul)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:10:32 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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	<6D156D23691F4982B58F740C850CCBE2@mike>
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Hi Guys,

Good discussion. My 60 year old XK 120 goes pretty darned fast reliably
(especially downhill); drum brakes notwithstanding.  I need my gorilla
arms on hairpins and a little more elbow room to steer hand over hand.
All fun for me. At speed, Lori feels like a bobble doll in an ejection
seat.  I have to remind myself that the ride must be a lot more
thrilling for her! And I prefer to bring my wife than tell her how much
fun I had.  We are looking forward to the Valentine's Day ride.

Okay, off on another tangent: It is really great to meet some of the
FACES behind the NOBBC posts, their significant others, their cars and
stories. One gal had a great suggestion I think, nametags. We see each
other so infrequently, I'd like not to spend half the time trying to
remember names, and an easy way to get acquainted with new members.
Regular members could have reusable tags, adhesive ones for newbies.

Best Regards,

Charlie Saul
52 XK 120 OTS



-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 11:48 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive

You know what they say Greg, 'Girls just want to have fun', so do I. But
my
real reason to participate in our club is to appreciate the beautiful
cars,
and their owners. Whether  we go fast or slow, I love it when we have a
good
turn out and assortment of cars, and I love how our members appreciate
and
take care of their cars, it shows. Any of us can go as fast as we want
after
the ride, and I usually do. See you soon.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive


>  Agreed, Mike, which is why Trish and I have to Lotuses and know how
to
> drive them.
>
> On the other hand, we are a club of drivers with varied levels of
skill
> and/or desire, and cars with varied levels of preparedness. Is there
any
> room in our desire for sportiness to listen to comments from members
(and
> past members) who have the nerve to bring it up, or do we want to just

> tell them to go away without ever telling those of us who organize the

> drives? I got strong comments from Dean a few years back when I led a
very
> large group and after a late start left some participants behind, and
I
> took that to heart. We aren't a race club, we're a classic British car

> club.
>
> As another example, we used to have a member with a superb TR3 who
also
> races a Formula 1/3000 car at 180 mph, who stopped attending the
drives
> because they tended to go too fast for the drum brake cars. He gets
his
> speed kicks on the track, and doesn't go nuts on the street. He told
me
> why he left the club, as have about 7 other folks, so it's probably
not
> about driving "a little sporty", but driving beyond where the driver
or
> passenger of that car is comfortable. We can accommodate the full
range, I
> believe, if we are at all willing to listen to the few who make the
effort
> to say something, rather than just disappear.
>
> I'm not trying to say anyone else shouldn't drive "sporty", but I
think
> it's worth establishing if we're trying to exclude those who have
> different skill levels, speed of car, or outlook on how to participate

> when on a club drive. As far as my own culpability, I've lead GGLC
drives
> at greater speeds than any NOBBC drives, but the group, expectations,
> cars, and circumstances have been different. During my driver's
briefings,
> I tell the group that I'm splitting it into fast and slow
> groups, that anyone who feels like they are pushing it too much should
let
> themselves be passed where safe, but also that we want to stay as a
group
> (or groups) as much as possible, and that blind turns, long downhills,

> bicycle routes, and streets with lots of driveways will slow the group

> down.
>
> I'm glad there is discussion about this. My original comment was meant

> privately for Dan, but this is worth discussing, and has come up in
our
> other clubs - both Lotus and Alfa. It seemed like a good opportunity
to
> mention the views of past members who no longer participate...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 10:24 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>> What the hell is the point of having a 'SPORTS CAR' if you do not
want to
>> drive a little sporty. I would hate to discourage anyone from coming
out
>> to show and drive thier beloved lbc's, whether it is rough and
wrinkled,
>> as nice as Andy's beautifully restored MGA, or anywhere in between.
But
>> these cars were made to enjoy, physically and esthetically. And
besides,
>> I can't say that I have acutally seen any of our club rides get
anywhere
>> near out of hand speed wise, they have all been pretty mild mannered
as
>> far as I can recall. In fact, the best ride I can remember was the
ride
>> to the cheese factory, afterwards, having fun following Wendell in
his
>> Morgan, and Sarteau in his Lotus zipping in the back road to D Street
in
>> Petaluma after the ride. It may well be a good idea to split  the
groups
>> into two halves, allowing each driver to choose his style. To Ron,
petal
>> to metal, just 'keep it between the navigational boowies', as the
saying
>> goes.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Tatarian"
<gtwincams at gmail.com>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive
>>
>>
>>>  D'OH!!
>>>
>>> I hate it when I do that!
>>>
>>> Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.
>>>
>>> That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our
drives,
>>> if not the membership list, because our drives often get too
"sporty",
>>> including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive
with
>>> us who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom

>>> we've never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the
WCC
>>> who have told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no
>>> longer participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of
aging
>>> of drivers who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on
our
>>> drives.
>>>
>>> Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club
drives,
>>> to split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those
who do
>>> not. It requires a leader for each group who know the route and
>>> destination, but keeps each of the groups together, which is
supposed to
>>> be why we get together as a group anyhow. That way the faster
drivers
>>> get their kicks, but those who don't want to push it as much still
have
>>> the chance to participate as a group. I think many of us like to
push
>>> ourselves and our cars from time to time, but we don't want to cause

>>> accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and some of us carry passengers
who
>>> don't appreciate being flung around the cars.
>>>
>>> Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me
also
>>> publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the
>>> club, keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group
together
>>> on the drives, which you have been very good about these last couple
of
>>> years. It's especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good

>>> job. I know when the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open
the
>>> throttle a bit.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little
>>>> "sporty" on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were
built
>>>> for! The road was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John
needs
>>>> to add an MG to his collection ;-0
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>
>>>> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the
>>>>> roads got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these
>>>>> days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 14:00:54 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:00:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
Message-ID: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>

I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a 
bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect 
(especially on larger rides). I have made a point on rides to not exceed 
the posted limit and have tried to start slowly from lights, etc. to 
minimize this effect so those uncomfortable on rides might want to stay 
in the front or even volunteer to lead!

No one has gotten a speeding ticket on any Nobbc ride in 10 years nor 
have we had any accidents. This is a driving club and we do get spirited 
driving at times (like out Skagg Springs) but no one is forced to keep 
up and we do wait to regroup. Most of this type driving happens at the 
end of the ride after we disburse so, again, no push to keep up.

Dawson's ride will be friendlier for spouses, something to look forward 
to. Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the 
past our rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained 
out). On the last ride, Gianni and Julia suggested a route out to 
Berryessa, then up to Lower Lake, returning over St. Helena. This ride 
would be brutal in summer but nice during the temperate weather in March 
and April. Anybody want to take it on? I want to ride back in the pack!

Ron
58 MGA

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 14:07:48 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:07:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite 
> a bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect 
> (especially on larger rides).
I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so 
I can catch up on the turns.

> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past 
> our rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).

What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or 
early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that 
could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive 
with perhaps a special destination?

Greg
cars and trucks


>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> _______________________________________________

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 14:52:44 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:52:44 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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Comment from the peanut gallery.
Being a new guy in the group, it is nice to push my car behind somebody that 
knows the roads.  On this particular ride it was great fun, but at times the 
road was damp and a bit slippery.  Not a big deal though, you just slow down 
a bit and catch up later.  I did notice part of the group fall back, but 
that was OK...everybody at their own pace.  Deborah did get a bit nervous 
when we were cutting some of the curves, but she like the thrill, and the 
fun of top down driving.   And Ron made a stop to wait for slower cars at a 
great spot for a quick photo.  I guess the point is that slow shouldn't 
control the pace any more than the fast, so Ron being aware of that goes 
fast and then waits.  Perfect.  The old saying, "you can't please all the 
people all the time", applies to our club rides.  Ron's solution worked 
here, though two groups in a larger ride would be great as well.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:40 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Today's drive

  D'OH!!

I hate it when I do that!

Sorry John, sorry Ron. 'Twas not meant for airing publicly.

That being said, I've seen a number of members who have left our drives,
if not the membership list, because our drives often get too "sporty",
including most recently one couple in an MGA on their first drive with
us who turned around in the middle sometime last year, and from whom
we've never heard a peep from since. We've also lost members to the WCC
who have told me that overly sporty driving was the reason they no
longer participate. Of course, this may also just be the result of aging
of drivers who no longer want to push it as we often may like to on our
drives.

Seeing this effect has prompted me, when leading the Lotus club drives,
to split the group into two - those who want to go fast and those who do
not. It requires a leader for each group who know the route and
destination, but keeps each of the groups together, which is supposed to
be why we get together as a group anyhow. That way the faster drivers
get their kicks, but those who don't want to push it as much still have
the chance to participate as a group. I think many of us like to push
ourselves and our cars from time to time, but we don't want to cause
accidents or hit a bicyclist, etc., and some of us carry passengers who
don't appreciate being flung around the cars.

Having inadvertently sent that public critique of you Ron, let me also
publicly state how much we appreciate the efforts you make with the
club, keeping everyone motivated, and also, keeping the group together
on the drives, which you have been very good about these last couple of
years. It's especially not easy when there is a big turnout, so good
job. I know when the group gets smaller, it is more enticing to open the
throttle a bit.

Cheers,

Greg

On 1/17/2011 9:27 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> Hey! We were at the speed limit all the way except got a little "sporty" 
> on St.Helena Rd after the ride, a road these cars were built for! The road 
> was damp but not particularly slippery, maybe John needs to add an MG to 
> his collection ;-0
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, John said it got a little too lively for his tastes when the roads 
>> got wet. Seems like Ron doesn't exercise much caution these days.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> __
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 15:14:55 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:14:55 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who 
don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few years 
ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour. 
Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up 
originals.
Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were maybe 
40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of Fine 
Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back 
roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out to 
Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and 
picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
Just some ideas.
Clif and Deborah  74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a 
> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect 
> (especially on larger rides).
I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
I can catch up on the turns.

> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past our 
> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).

What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
with perhaps a special destination?

Greg
cars and trucks


>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 16:23:31 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:23:31 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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  Hi Clif,

New ideas are always welcome, in my opinion. I have led several drives 
through Marin County in the effort to involve more of our southern 
members, and except for conflicts with bicycle races, they've been 
really fine.

We haven't gone to SF as a club since Trish and I have been members, 
about 5-6 years, I think primarily because it makes for a long day and a 
lot of us don't really like driving long distances on the freeway (we 
don't all drive beautiful cruising machines like Norm's, Dawson's, etc). 
My idea of an overnighter was based on the idea that those interested in 
a longer run could split it into two days, and have the evening to 
socialize together, but if an SF destination interested enough members, 
particularly those living in Marin County, you'd probably have some takers.

Please keep the ideas coming and the dialog flowing.

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
cars and trucks and a boat
no planes or locomotives



On 1/17/2011 2:14 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those 
> who don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a 
> few years ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the 
> world tour. Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others 
> pretty beat up originals.
> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were 
> maybe 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new 
> Palace of Fine Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the 
> Exploratorium.  Do some back roads, drive through Sausalito, over the 
> bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out to Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice 
> that would be a great place to met up and picnic.  Some great photo 
> ops as well.
> Just some ideas.
> Clif and Deborah  74 JH

From dan at drummondlaw.com  Mon Jan 17 17:58:14 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:58:14 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Greg,

I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the group I see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on the road in front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter would afford a great opportunity to get to know everyone a bit better, much like the tech session/BBQ at your place last summer.  Count me in.  I'll be happy to help organize it if there's enough interest in doing it.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:08 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite 
> a bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect 
> (especially on larger rides).
I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so I can catch up on the turns.

> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past 
> our rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).

What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive with perhaps a special destination?

Greg
cars and trucks


>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 18:16:26 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:16:26 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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*Speaking of bicycle riders, I took a bike ride up the newly finished
Cozumel Road in the Marin Headlands on Friday.  It is absolutely a stunning
drive on a beautifully resurfaced asphalt road.  From the top of Hawk Hill
it is a steep and winding drive down.  At the top, one can walk through
construction site 129 where the 16 inch guns were brought up and never
placed.  The Ghilotti Bros. did a phenomenal job of making parking around a
lot of the gun emplacements and there are benches, picnic tables, and
explanations.  After exploring more around the area the return is through
the one way tunnel and the road down to Ft. Baker and Sausalito.  If the
weather cooperates, it's just stunning.  I can't wait to do the drive in my
MG.
Hopefully when NBBCC does the drive I won't be on call.  Perhaps I'll lead
it to insure my presence.
Marty
Marty Rayman
Kentfield
'53 TD*

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Clif,
>
> New ideas are always welcome, in my opinion. I have led several drives
> through Marin County in the effort to involve more of our southern members,
> and except for conflicts with bicycle races, they've been really fine.
>
> We haven't gone to SF as a club since Trish and I have been members, about
> 5-6 years, I think primarily because it makes for a long day and a lot of us
> don't really like driving long distances on the freeway (we don't all drive
> beautiful cruising machines like Norm's, Dawson's, etc). My idea of an
> overnighter was based on the idea that those interested in a longer run
> could split it into two days, and have the evening to socialize together,
> but if an SF destination interested enough members, particularly those
> living in Marin County, you'd probably have some takers.
>
> Please keep the ideas coming and the dialog flowing.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
> cars and trucks and a boat
> no planes or locomotives
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 2:14 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few years
>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>> originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were maybe
>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of Fine
>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out to
>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 19:06:36 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:06:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Today's drive
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I'd like to chip in on this topic, even though I haven't been on a ride in
months.  I  do, however, regular motorcycle rides of various sizes and we
have much the same issues as we have been discussing here.  The two group
idea is usually the one that works the best and the details have to be
talked over beforehand as a group.  Unless all the turns and the route are
completely clear and known to both group leaders, we use the rule that the
sweep, the last one in any group, doesn't leave an intersection until the
next rider is in view and can identify the direction.  (Then he has the
nasty challenge of trying to catch up to his group..)

I look forward to running with you all again this year, and you can add me
to the front group.  I agree, these are Sports Cars, and the only reason I
have one is to drive it Sportily.


David Willson
74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia'
Sebastopol, CA, USA
LotsaParts

From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 19:37:27 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:37:27 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years 
ago to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it 
again if anyone wants to put it together. My $.02

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who 
> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few 
> years ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world 
> tour. Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat 
> up originals.
> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were 
> maybe 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace 
> of Fine Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do 
> some back roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah 
> blah.  Or out to Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great 
> place to met up and picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
> Just some ideas.
> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> 
>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> 
>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite 
>> a bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect 
>> (especially on larger rides).
> 
> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
> I can catch up on the turns.
> 
>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past 
>> our rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
> 
> 
> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
> with perhaps a special destination?
> 
> Greg
> cars and trucks
> 
> 
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>> _______________________________________________
> 
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 19:47:05 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:47:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the Little 
River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the years to host 
the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could be a hook up with 
the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up in Mendocino, we 
haven't had a joint event with them in years but I think they are still 
active. Another possibility might be a trip to Redwood National Park or 
the lost coast. Or, in an other direction, Yosemite would be smashing, 
maybe the best trip of all!

Ron
58 MGA

Daniel Drummond wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the group I see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on the road in front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter would afford a great opportunity to get to know everyone a bit better, much like the tech session/BBQ at your place last summer.  Count me in.  I'll be happy to help organize it if there's enough interest in doing it.
> 
> Dan

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 19:53:03 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:53:03 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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  Dan,

Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is one of the 
destinations I was considering.

Let's see what other input we get.

Cheers,
Greg




On 1/17/2011 4:58 PM, Daniel Drummond wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the group I see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on the road in front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter would afford a great opportunity to get to know everyone a bit better, much like the tech session/BBQ at your place last summer.  Count me in.  I'll be happy to help organize it if there's enough interest in doing it.
>
> Dan

From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 19:56:36 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:56:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Hello all,

It is a while since I joined you on a ride...last one was out to Napa  
from Santa Rosa which was great.  The only reason you do not see me  
more often is other commitments.

My 2 cents on the speed:
When my wife is along she doesn't like being tossed around.  Seems  
some wives agree, while others delight in a thrill!

When I am alone or with a male co-driver, speed is fine now that my  
MGA has new rubber etc.

Valentine's Day was my first run last year and we arrived late but  
joined the run to the winery.  We were a bit surprised at the speed  
(the car had not had ANY driving since I had redone brakes, clutch  
etc. and it was my wife's first experience of the car), but stunned by  
the beauty of the route.

I enjoyed the speed (and spraying Andy with oil, unburned fuel and  
rocks.  I notice Andy is now always in front of me but now worries  
about the ability of my drums to stop short of his rear end.)
Suzanne wants to go back and SEE the scenery that zipped by on that  
first ride!

General conclusion I draw is that those with passengers should group  
and drive leisurely.  Those out for a thrill should go ahead at speed.
And we all meet for lunch.  The speedsters get to eat earlier!

Cheers
Mark



Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many  
> years ago to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to  
> do it again if anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those  
>> who don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen  
>> group a few years ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an  
>> around the world tour. Must be nice.  Some of the cars were  
>> perfect, others pretty beat up originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There  
>> were maybe 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the  
>> new Palace of Fine Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the  
>> Exploratorium.  Do some back roads, drive through Sausalito, over  
>> the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out to Marin Head Lands.  If it's  
>> nice that would be a great place to met up and picnic.  Some great  
>> photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>> On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive  
>>> quite a bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the  
>>> accordion effect (especially on larger rides).
>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well  
>> back so
>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the  
>>> past our rides in March have tended to be really great (when not  
>>> rained out).
>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring,  
>> Summer or
>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but  
>> that
>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer  
>> drive
>> with perhaps a special destination?
>> Greg
>> cars and trucks
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Mon Jan 17 19:59:09 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:59:09 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC big night out
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Input:

can we stay away from Mendocino? I went to high school with the guy who owns
the Little River Inn. Back then
he was into Corvettes but his brother in law had one of the first Lotus
Europas imported to the US.
Anyway, I've never been back since high school and the changes would be too
shocking for my system.

Let's go to Pescadero or Davenport.

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:47 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the Little 
River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the years to host 
the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could be a hook up with 
the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up in Mendocino, we 
haven't had a joint event with them in years but I think they are still 
active. Another possibility might be a trip to Redwood National Park or 
the lost coast. Or, in an other direction, Yosemite would be smashing, 
maybe the best trip of all!

Ron
58 MGA

Daniel Drummond wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a
destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the group I
see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on the road in
front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter would afford a great
opportunity to get to know everyone a bit better, much like the tech
session/BBQ at your place last summer.  Count me in.  I'll be happy to help
organize it if there's enough interest in doing it.
> 
> Dan
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:09:12 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:09:12 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Overnight ideas
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Hey, Little River Inn sounds really interesting, Ron! As does hooking up 
with NCBCC. One consideration about Yosemite, besides distance, would be 
that there is snow at this time, and if we wait until summer, the crowds 
get really dense.  Is it even possible to get into the valley floor 
during the summer with the air quality restrictions? Gotta say, you guys 
with the MGs, Jags, Triumphs, have more comfortable long-range rigs than 
a Lotus Elan, so I might be too chicken to commit to something a long 
way away, unless we took the MINI!

Trish had a suggestion to consider; Quincy, which should be about a six 
hour drive. Reasonable places to stay, beautiful destination. Go through 
Lake County on 29, etc., to Hwy. 5 north 1 hour, cut across on 162 to 
HWY 70, a beautiful two lane windy road to Qunicy in the Plumas National 
Forest. I think it's a little closer than Redwood NP, but I'm not sure.

Cheers,
Greg





On 1/17/2011 6:47 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the Little 
> River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the years to 
> host the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could be a hook up 
> with the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up in Mendocino, we 
> haven't had a joint event with them in years but I think they are 
> still active. Another possibility might be a trip to Redwood National 
> Park or the lost coast. Or, in an other direction, Yosemite would be 
> smashing, maybe the best trip of all!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:11:39 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:11:39 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC big night out
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John,

I get the feeling there are probably numerous locations from your past 
you'd like us to avoid... ;-)

I have a Groucho Marx disguise for you if that will help?

Greg




On 1/17/2011 6:59 PM, John Kenner wrote:
> Input:
>
> can we stay away from Mendocino? I went to high school with the guy who owns
> the Little River Inn. Back then
> he was into Corvettes but his brother in law had one of the first Lotus
> Europas imported to the US.
> Anyway, I've never been back since high school and the changes would be too
> shocking for my system.
>
> Let's go to Pescadero or Davenport.
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F

From ldc1940 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:22:36 2011
From: ldc1940 at gmail.com (Leroy Churches)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:22:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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[?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they have
an Emerald city Up north.  [?]


LeRoy Churches
76 midget special
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:

> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years ago
> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>   Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few years
>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>> originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were maybe
>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of Fine
>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out to
>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>
>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>
>>
>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>
>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past our
>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>
>> Greg
>> cars and trucks
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 20:51:36 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:51:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Longer distances/ overnight
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I had a fabulous drive up the coast the weekend before last with  
incredible weather...sunny and windless.

We (Sam in his Boxter and me in the MGA) drove from Mill Valley to  
Gualala up the coast having lunch in Duncan Mills at Cape Fear.  We  
stayed at St Orrs and got a great deal on a  2 bedroom cottage  
midweek. (food was good but a bit overpriced I thought).

The next day we drove on up to Point Arena and had maximum visibility  
from the top of the lighthouse, and then had an interesting drive over  
the mountains to Boonville.
Interesting because of the amount of fine gravel that was washing out  
of the hills.  At one point we had to pull over because Sam had gravel  
making fearsome sounds after lodging in the front disc brake of his  
Boxter....not a problem in my low tech drums.  He managed to dislodge  
it after some energetic backing up.
Most of the route was accompanied by the sound of fine grit bouncing  
off our paintwork....not recommended for those of you worried about a  
bit of wear-and-tear.

 From time to time the views were spectacular as we were looking out  
across the Californian equivalent of a mini alpine landscape.  Highly  
recommended route for those that enjoy windy, gravelly, damp roads.   
It was honestly no worse than some of the roads on the north side of  
Mount Tam.....just longer.

We had a simple but tasty lunch in Boonville, and motored on to Ukiah  
for an extraordinarily good supper at Petrona which was enhanced by a  
bottle of Hallcrest 2005 Pinot Noir Upper Block that I brought with  
me...great stuff.  (I also packed half a case of oil but we thought  
better of adding it to  the meal. However the MGA had a reasonable  
appetite for it!)

The next couple of days we attended a workshop at Frey vineyards, and  
then Sam sped home down 101, while I got happily lost in the mountains  
east of Ukiah with snow on the roadsides, and finally found my way  
through the eastern winecountry back to Mill Valley.

For those of you interested in views from Point Arena Lighthouse log  
on to
http://galleries.markdarleyphoto.com/PtArenaRoadTrip/

The rest of the time I was too busy driving to take photos!

Cheers
Mark


Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is one of  
> the destinations I was considering.
>
> Let's see what other input we get.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 4:58 PM, Daniel Drummond wrote:
>> Greg,
>>
>> I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a  
>> destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the  
>> group I see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on  
>> the road in front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter  
>> would afford a great opportunity to get to know everyone a bit  
>> better, much like the tech session/BBQ at your place last summer.   
>> Count me in.  I'll be happy to help organize it if there's enough  
>> interest in doing it.
>>
>> Dan
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 20:54:00 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:54:00 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC big night out
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Good wine inland from Davenport...see my previous post.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:59 PM, John Kenner wrote:

> Input:
>
> can we stay away from Mendocino? I went to high school with the guy  
> who owns
> the Little River Inn. Back then
> he was into Corvettes but his brother in law had one of the first  
> Lotus
> Europas imported to the US.
> Anyway, I've never been back since high school and the changes would  
> be too
> shocking for my system.
>
> Let's go to Pescadero or Davenport.
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:47 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the Little
> River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the years to  
> host
> the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could be a hook up with
> the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up in Mendocino, we
> haven't had a joint event with them in years but I think they are  
> still
> active. Another possibility might be a trip to Redwood National Park  
> or
> the lost coast. Or, in an other direction, Yosemite would be smashing,
> maybe the best trip of all!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Daniel Drummond wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> I like the idea of an overnighter.  How does Mendocino sound as a
> destination?  Too far?  Not far enough?  Most of the people in the  
> group I
> see maybe once a month, and then most of the time either on the road  
> in
> front of me or in the rearview mirror.  An overnighter would afford  
> a great
> opportunity to get to know everyone a bit better, much like the tech
> session/BBQ at your place last summer.  Count me in.  I'll be happy  
> to help
> organize it if there's enough interest in doing it.
>>
>> Dan
> _______________________________________________
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 20:59:08 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:59:08 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club lunch, March 19th?
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Should I still proceed with the Inverness Yacht Club Lunch on March  
19th?

I have only heard from 3 interested parties.  If there is not a lot of  
interest it could always be simplified to the usual stop off at a  
local oystery instead.

Please let me know as I have to commit to the Club in the next week or  
so.

Thanks
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Hey, Little River Inn sounds really interesting, Ron! As does  
> hooking up with NCBCC. One consideration about Yosemite, besides  
> distance, would be that there is snow at this time, and if we wait  
> until summer, the crowds get really dense.  Is it even possible to  
> get into the valley floor during the summer with the air quality  
> restrictions? Gotta say, you guys with the MGs, Jags, Triumphs, have  
> more comfortable long-range rigs than a Lotus Elan, so I might be  
> too chicken to commit to something a long way away, unless we took  
> the MINI!
>
> Trish had a suggestion to consider; Quincy, which should be about a  
> six hour drive. Reasonable places to stay, beautiful destination. Go  
> through Lake County on 29, etc., to Hwy. 5 north 1 hour, cut across  
> on 162 to HWY 70, a beautiful two lane windy road to Qunicy in the  
> Plumas National Forest. I think it's a little closer than Redwood  
> NP, but I'm not sure.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 6:47 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>> Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the  
>> Little River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the  
>> years to host the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could  
>> be a hook up with the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up  
>> in Mendocino, we haven't had a joint event with them in years but I  
>> think they are still active. Another possibility might be a trip to  
>> Redwood National Park or the lost coast. Or, in an other direction,  
>> Yosemite would be smashing, maybe the best trip of all!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 23:17:52 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Overnight ideas
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Oooo, I like Greg's idea: Quincy area.  The Feather River Canyon, Hwy 70, is
a fast sweeper's dream.  So good that the ticket the leader will get will
almost be worth it. And Bucks Lake Rd. is an exquisite back way that is far
more technical for those 1st and 2nd gear lovers.

David Willson
707-321-1429

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What is the opposite of Progress?

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 17 23:31:28 2011
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:31:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Overnight ideas
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David, I second Greg's idea of Quincy area for a drive.  Many, many years ago
I and a group of hiking friends back packed and camped out in the area and
would love to visit there again.  Greg, what Elan coupe did you get?Sarto66
Elan coupe

--- On Mon, 1/17/11, David Willson <davidwi at sonic.net> wrote:

From: David Willson <davidwi at sonic.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Overnight ideas
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 10:17 PM

Oooo, I like Greg's idea: Quincy area.  The Feather River Canyon, Hwy 70, is
a fast sweeper's dream.  So good that the ticket the leader will get will
almost be worth it. And Bucks Lake Rd. is an exquisite back way that is far
more technical for those 1st and 2nd gear lovers.

David Willson
707-321-1429

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What is the opposite of Progress?
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Tue Jan 18 00:13:39 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:13:39 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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The Headlands are stunning, and a great photo op.
It was mentioned that the Nobbc members in the south need to be more 
included in these drives.
I created a bit of a route (probably nothing new to some), with the Santa 
Rosa Group meeting at Bad Ass, and driving to Petaluma to connect with the 
folks in that area.  Then out thru Nacasio, Point Rays Station, and down 
Highway 1 into and thru Sasalito, and out to the Headlands.  Takes about 2 
hours drive time, plus pickup in Petaluma.  An hour for lunch in the 
headlands, and then home...any way you want.
Clif and Deborah  74 jh

-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Sinai Rayman
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:16 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

*Speaking of bicycle riders, I took a bike ride up the newly finished
Cozumel Road in the Marin Headlands on Friday.  It is absolutely a stunning
drive on a beautifully resurfaced asphalt road.  From the top of Hawk Hill
it is a steep and winding drive down.  At the top, one can walk through
construction site 129 where the 16 inch guns were brought up and never
placed.  The Ghilotti Bros. did a phenomenal job of making parking around a
lot of the gun emplacements and there are benches, picnic tables, and
explanations.  After exploring more around the area the return is through
the one way tunnel and the road down to Ft. Baker and Sausalito.  If the
weather cooperates, it's just stunning.  I can't wait to do the drive in my
MG.
Hopefully when NBBCC does the drive I won't be on call.  Perhaps I'll lead
it to insure my presence.
Marty
Marty Rayman
Kentfield
'53 TD*

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Clif,
>
> New ideas are always welcome, in my opinion. I have led several drives
> through Marin County in the effort to involve more of our southern 
> members,
> and except for conflicts with bicycle races, they've been really fine.
>
> We haven't gone to SF as a club since Trish and I have been members, about
> 5-6 years, I think primarily because it makes for a long day and a lot of 
> us
> don't really like driving long distances on the freeway (we don't all 
> drive
> beautiful cruising machines like Norm's, Dawson's, etc). My idea of an
> overnighter was based on the idea that those interested in a longer run
> could split it into two days, and have the evening to socialize together,
> but if an SF destination interested enough members, particularly those
> living in Marin County, you'd probably have some takers.
>
> Please keep the ideas coming and the dialog flowing.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
> cars and trucks and a boat
> no planes or locomotives
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 2:14 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few 
>> years
>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>> originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were 
>> maybe
>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of 
>> Fine
>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out 
>> to
>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Tue Jan 18 09:08:13 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:08:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club lunch, March 19th?
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Mark: I am still interested in the IYC lunch-n-ride.  Thanks for the
offering.

Frank Morris
Jag and MGs

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From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mark Darley
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:59 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club lunch, March 19th?

Should I still proceed with the Inverness Yacht Club Lunch on March
19th?

I have only heard from 3 interested parties.  If there is not a lot of
interest it could always be simplified to the usual stop off at a
local oystery instead.

Please let me know as I have to commit to the Club in the next week or
so.

Thanks
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Hey, Little River Inn sounds really interesting, Ron! As does
> hooking up with NCBCC. One consideration about Yosemite, besides
> distance, would be that there is snow at this time, and if we wait
> until summer, the crowds get really dense.  Is it even possible to
> get into the valley floor during the summer with the air quality
> restrictions? Gotta say, you guys with the MGs, Jags, Triumphs, have
> more comfortable long-range rigs than a Lotus Elan, so I might be
> too chicken to commit to something a long way away, unless we took
> the MINI!
>
> Trish had a suggestion to consider; Quincy, which should be about a
> six hour drive. Reasonable places to stay, beautiful destination. Go
> through Lake County on 29, etc., to Hwy. 5 north 1 hour, cut across
> on 162 to HWY 70, a beautiful two lane windy road to Qunicy in the
> Plumas National Forest. I think it's a little closer than Redwood
> NP, but I'm not sure.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2011 6:47 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>> Greg and Dan, Mendocino would be nice. The fellow that owns the
>> Little River Inn is a British Car person and has offered over the
>> years to host the club at a discounted rate. Possibly there could
>> be a hook up with the North Coast British Car Club (NCBCC) club up
>> in Mendocino, we haven't had a joint event with them in years but I
>> think they are still active. Another possibility might be a trip to
>> Redwood National Park or the lost coast. Or, in an other direction,
>> Yosemite would be smashing, maybe the best trip of all!
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
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From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 18 20:40:03 2011
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:40:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] CSRG featuring MGs
Message-ID: <372718.12866.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Speaking of speed. Have you seen this years schedule for the CSRG weekends? April 1-2-3 they will be celebrating the MG West Coast Reunion. I'm thinking we'll want to spend some time there. I had a great time at their last event.

Here is the url to the schedule;

http://www.csrgracing.org/schedulecsrg.html

Walter

From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 17:55:38 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:55:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Dear Clif and Deborah,
We would love to join in on that adventure and pick up the group somewhere
as you pass through Marin.  I would like to request *the drive not* on the
weekends of 2/29, 3/19, 4/23 or 5/13 when I am on call or 3/26, 4/9, 5/20 or
5/28 when we will not be available.  We would love to help plan and lead the
Marin and Marin Headlands part of the tour.
Cheers,
Marty & Naomi  415-454-5756
'53 MG TD

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> The Headlands are stunning, and a great photo op.
> It was mentioned that the Nobbc members in the south need to be more
> included in these drives.
> I created a bit of a route (probably nothing new to some), with the Santa
> Rosa Group meeting at Bad Ass, and driving to Petaluma to connect with the
> folks in that area.  Then out thru Nacasio, Point Rays Station, and down
> Highway 1 into and thru Sasalito, and out to the Headlands.  Takes about 2
> hours drive time, plus pickup in Petaluma.  An hour for lunch in the
> headlands, and then home...any way you want.
> Clif and Deborah  74 jh
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Martin Sinai Rayman
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:16 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> *Speaking of bicycle riders, I took a bike ride up the newly finished
> Cozumel Road in the Marin Headlands on Friday.  It is absolutely a stunning
> drive on a beautifully resurfaced asphalt road.  From the top of Hawk Hill
> it is a steep and winding drive down.  At the top, one can walk through
> construction site 129 where the 16 inch guns were brought up and never
> placed.  The Ghilotti Bros. did a phenomenal job of making parking around a
> lot of the gun emplacements and there are benches, picnic tables, and
> explanations.  After exploring more around the area the return is through
> the one way tunnel and the road down to Ft. Baker and Sausalito.  If the
> weather cooperates, it's just stunning.  I can't wait to do the drive in my
> MG.
> Hopefully when NBBCC does the drive I won't be on call.  Perhaps I'll lead
> it to insure my presence.
> Marty
> Marty Rayman
> Kentfield
> '53 TD*
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>   Hi Clif,
>>
>> New ideas are always welcome, in my opinion. I have led several drives
>> through Marin County in the effort to involve more of our southern
>> members,
>> and except for conflicts with bicycle races, they've been really fine.
>>
>> We haven't gone to SF as a club since Trish and I have been members, about
>> 5-6 years, I think primarily because it makes for a long day and a lot of
>> us
>> don't really like driving long distances on the freeway (we don't all
>> drive
>> beautiful cruising machines like Norm's, Dawson's, etc). My idea of an
>> overnighter was based on the idea that those interested in a longer run
>> could split it into two days, and have the evening to socialize together,
>> but if an SF destination interested enough members, particularly those
>> living in Marin County, you'd probably have some takers.
>>
>> Please keep the ideas coming and the dialog flowing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg Tatarian
>> cars and trucks and a boat
>> no planes or locomotives
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/2011 2:14 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>>
>>  Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few
>>> years
>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>>> originals.
>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were
>>> maybe
>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of
>>> Fine
>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out
>>> to
>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>>> Just some ideas.
>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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>
>
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From mewgull at sonic.net  Wed Jan 19 19:50:33 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:50:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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We have made a dash to Yosemite, leaving Glen Ellen at 4:30 AM for  
brunch at the Ahwahnee.... arriving at 8:45 (including one stop for a  
pee break).   We then spent the remainder of the day wandering back  
home on all the roads you never even knew were there.  It was a grand  
day and great fun.

Staying overnight at Yosemite can be very problematic due to issues  
booking rooms and planning > 6 months in advance.

another 2 cents worth.

GGM


On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is one of  
> the destinations I was considering.
>
> Let's see what other input we get.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 20 09:04:26 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Tucker automobile
Message-ID: <26021BE34BA84C11812C4BA79A8E8789@mike>

Not an LBC, but very interesting.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dickey
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:05 PM
Subject: Fw: Tucker automobile




      --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com> wrote:


        From: Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com>
        Subject: Tucker automobile
        To:
        Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 4:35 PM


        Interesting Stuff


------------------------------------------------------------------------

               Ever see a "1948 TUCKER" up close?
                   http://www.laubly.com/1948tucker.htm





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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 20 09:53:01 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:53:01 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Tucker automobile
In-Reply-To: <26021BE34BA84C11812C4BA79A8E8789@mike>
References: <26021BE34BA84C11812C4BA79A8E8789@mike>
Message-ID: <4D38686D.10608@sonic.net>

Very nice pictures and car Mike. There is a Tucker in Sonoma County on 
display at Francis Coppola's winery Rosso & Bianco if you want to see 
one "in the flesh". http://www.franciscoppolawinery.com/

Ron
58 MGA

Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> Not an LBC, but very interesting.
> 
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Dickey
> To: undisclosed recipients:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:05 PM
> Subject: Fw: Tucker automobile
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>         From: Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com>
>         Subject: Tucker automobile
>         To:
>         Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 4:35 PM
> 
> 
>         Interesting Stuff
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                Ever see a "1948 TUCKER" up close?
>                    http://www.laubly.com/1948tucker.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From apexbrit2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 10:20:30 2011
From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:20:30 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Tucker automobile
In-Reply-To: <26021BE34BA84C11812C4BA79A8E8789@mike>
References: <26021BE34BA84C11812C4BA79A8E8789@mike>
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Great stuff, Michael. Tuckers caused quite a bit of excitement back then.
The center headlamp, as I recall, turns to illuminate where you are headed
as you make a turn. Cheers.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:

> Not an LBC, but very interesting.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Dickey
> To: undisclosed recipients:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:05 PM
> Subject: Fw: Tucker automobile
>
>
>
>
>      --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com> wrote:
>
>
>        From: Randy L Hitt <randy.hitt at basf.com>
>        Subject: Tucker automobile
>        To:
>        Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 4:35 PM
>
>
>        Interesting Stuff
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>               Ever see a "1948 TUCKER" up close?
>                   http://www.laubly.com/1948tucker.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 20 18:43:24 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:43:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Austin Healey : Le Mans 100-4 M - eBay (item
 320644872336 end time Jan-25-11 08:41:08 PST)
Message-ID: <EB1D96A4672C4EFBAA943EA59119DAD2@mike>

Interesting Healy


Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Fw: Austin Healey : Le Mans 100-4 M - eBay (item 320644872336 end
time Jan-25-11 08:41:08 PST)





Thanks to JOHN 'CARZY' RICE for the following..The car is in Sunol/Pleasanton
area..CA.


Interesting car. Obviously local history [look at the images of all those dash
plaques!].

One of those cars we wish our neighbor had...and we knew about!!!

Fun read.

Enjoy
John

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320644872336+&v
iewitem=#v4-37

From markdarley at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 17:57:44 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:44 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch
In-Reply-To: <6E17C83B-EE0F-4451-AF96-D5905457BC60@sonic.net>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>
	<330273E240CBAD4C97740ACE683BED1E07A0C92CFC@VA3DIAXVS181.RED001.local>
	<4D35008F.3060309@gmail.com>
	<6E17C83B-EE0F-4451-AF96-D5905457BC60@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <DB731301-88AB-450D-A683-CE0E661CB242@mac.com>

Dear NOBBC Members,

I have only had 3 positive responses to the idea of the Inverness  
Yacht Club lunch on March 19th, so I have decided to shelve it for  
now.  I have to make a commitment one way or another at this time.
This does not mean that we cannot take a drive out to Point Reyes  
that day and eat oysters somewhere else if you so desire.

See you on another drive,
Cheers,
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 19, 2011, at 6:50 PM, G. Mugele wrote:

> We have made a dash to Yosemite, leaving Glen Ellen at 4:30 AM for  
> brunch at the Ahwahnee.... arriving at 8:45 (including one stop for  
> a pee break).   We then spent the remainder of the day wandering  
> back home on all the roads you never even knew were there.  It was  
> a grand day and great fun.
>
> Staying overnight at Yosemite can be very problematic due to issues  
> booking rooms and planning > 6 months in advance.
>
> another 2 cents worth.
>
> GGM
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is one  
>> of the destinations I was considering.
>>
>> Let's see what other input we get.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
> loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex  
> is the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you  
> should save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
> _______________________________________________
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From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 19:05:07 2011
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:05:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch
In-Reply-To: <DB731301-88AB-450D-A683-CE0E661CB242@mac.com>
Message-ID: <792081.76359.qm@web113515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark, I love your offer to set up the Inverness Yacht Club event but it is
just too far out for me to make a commitment at this time.  A drive in that
direction would still be a good one.
 Sarto 
--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

From: Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 4:57 PM

Dear NOBBC Members,

I have only had 3 positive responses to the idea of the Inverness Yacht Club
lunch on March 19th, so I have decided to shelve it for now.  I have to make a
commitment one way or another at this time.
This does not mean that we cannot take a drive out to Point Reyes that day and
eat oysters somewhere else if you so desire.

See you on another drive,
Cheers,
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 19, 2011, at 6:50 PM, G. Mugele wrote:

> We have made a dash to Yosemite, leaving Glen Ellen at 4:30 AM for brunch at
the Ahwahnee.... arriving at 8:45 (including one stop for a pee break).   We
then spent the remainder of the day wandering back home on all the roads you
never even knew were there.  It was a grand day and great fun.
>
> Staying overnight at Yosemite can be very problematic due to issues booking
rooms and planning > 6 months in advance.
>
> another 2 cents worth.
>
> GGM
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is one of the
destinations I was considering.
>>
>> Let's see what other input we get.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God loves you
and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful,
dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should save it for someone you
love." --   Butch Hancock
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 21:03:16 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:03:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch
In-Reply-To: <792081.76359.qm@web113515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <792081.76359.qm@web113515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <404540.83029.qm@web83506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi all, Julia and I had a very nice ride this past Saturday and enjoyed being
"out there" once again in our Lil' red MGA (Rosie).  
We are looking forward
to many more great rides with all of you in the future.
   
Our best regards,
Gianni & Julia
1962 MGA MKII 1600 
giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net
415.328.1241
________________________________
From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, January 21,
2011 6:05:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch

Hi Mark, I
love your offer to set up the Inverness Yacht Club event but it is
just too
far out for me to make a commitment at this time.  A drive in that
direction
would still be a good one.
Sarto 
--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Mark Darley
<markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

From: Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com>
Subject:
Re: [Nobbc] Inverness Yacht Club Lunch
To: "North Bay British Car Club"
<nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 4:57 PM

Dear NOBBC
Members,

I have only had 3 positive responses to the idea of the Inverness
Yacht Club
lunch on March 19th, so I have decided to shelve it for now.  I
have to make a
commitment one way or another at this time.
This does not mean
that we cannot take a drive out to Point Reyes that day and
eat oysters
somewhere else if you so desire.

See you on another drive,
Cheers,
Mark

Mark
Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 19, 2011, at
6:50 PM, G. Mugele wrote:

> We have made a dash to Yosemite, leaving Glen
Ellen at 4:30 AM for brunch at
the Ahwahnee.... arriving at 8:45 (including
one stop for a pee break).  We
then spent the remainder of the day wandering
back home on all the roads you
never even knew were there.  It was a grand day
and great fun.
>
> Staying overnight at Yosemite can be very problematic due
to issues booking
rooms and planning > 6 months in advance.
>
> another 2
cents worth.
>
> GGM
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Mendocino is about the distance I had in mind, myself, and is
one of the
destinations I was considering.
>>
>> Let's see what other input we
get.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in
Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God loves you
and you're
going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful,
dirty thing on
the face of the earth and you should save it for someone you
love." --  Butch
Hancock
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From mvg1 at att.net  Sun Jan 23 16:05:28 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:05:28 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
Message-ID: <C278A33F4E2747BFB724A16B959DEA06@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2





thanks to CREGG COWAN of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for the following.
Racer Bud



Hi Folks,

A link to this article was posted on the Triumph email list by Randall.
I found it pretty interesting.



In case anyone would like to grab a copy, I put a downloadable
text-searchable PDF version at
http://tinyurl.com/687pm39

-- Randall


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From mvg1 at att.net  Sun Jan 23 16:21:38 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:21:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: New Boeing Phantom Eye Aircraft/Curt Kovacs
Message-ID: <691425B3C34447E8AC09CA51F5ABB573@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Fw: New Boeing Phantom Eye Aircraft/Curt Kovacs





Thanks to DAN 'THE BOSS' RADOWICZ for the following.
Racer Bud
















                                Boeing unveiled its hydrogen-powered Phantom
Eye unmanned airborne system during a ceremony in St. Louis on July 12. The
demonstrator, which will stay aloft at 65,000 feet for up to four days, is
powered by two 2-liter, four-cylinder engines that provide 150 horsepower
each. It has a 150-foot wingspan, will cruise at approximately 150 knots and
can carry up to a 450-pound payload.



                                http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/07/bds_fe
at_phantom_eye_07_12_10.html


                                You can imagine what else Boeing is doing
currently if they are willing to show the World this project!



















        Forwarded by

        Dan Sorkin
        www.stumps.org
        Chief Stump


        What soap is to the body,

        laughter is to the soul.

        b&yiddish proverb

From wbain at sonic.net  Mon Jan 24 15:18:53 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:18:53 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
In-Reply-To: <C278A33F4E2747BFB724A16B959DEA06@mike>
References: <C278A33F4E2747BFB724A16B959DEA06@mike>
Message-ID: <E1636392-6D79-4964-85DC-03233F5666E8@sonic.net>

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the pdf file on the TR-2. Very interesting.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RACER BUD
> To: RACER BUD
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:39 PM
> Subject: Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks to CREGG COWAN of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for the following.
> Racer Bud
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> A link to this article was posted on the Triumph email list by
> Randall.
> I found it pretty interesting.
>
>
>
> In case anyone would like to grab a copy, I put a downloadable
> text-searchable PDF version at
> http://tinyurl.com/687pm39
>
> -- Randall
>
>
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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 24 17:34:09 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:34:09 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
References: <C278A33F4E2747BFB724A16B959DEA06@mike>
	<E1636392-6D79-4964-85DC-03233F5666E8@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <9A6A5E8C5B904B72AD92D92510076719@mike>

Your welcome Wendell, just passing on an item that interested me, I thought 
it would interest ab few club members.

Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2


> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks for the pdf file on the TR-2. Very interesting.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
>
> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: RACER BUD
>> To: RACER BUD
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:39 PM
>> Subject: Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks to CREGG COWAN of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for the following.
>> Racer Bud
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> A link to this article was posted on the Triumph email list by
>> Randall.
>> I found it pretty interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>> In case anyone would like to grab a copy, I put a downloadable
>> text-searchable PDF version at
>> http://tinyurl.com/687pm39
>>
>> -- Randall
>>
>>
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From apexbrit2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 18:21:24 2011
From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:21:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
In-Reply-To: <9A6A5E8C5B904B72AD92D92510076719@mike>
References: <C278A33F4E2747BFB724A16B959DEA06@mike>
	<E1636392-6D79-4964-85DC-03233F5666E8@sonic.net>
	<9A6A5E8C5B904B72AD92D92510076719@mike>
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The article I thought interesting, as well. I always liked "Uncle Tom's"
metaphors. He was quite a character and loved to review Brit cars.at the
expense of American Iron. As I recall, he was a Jag dealer. Unlike Nader, he
thought the Corvair handled well; better than a 1959 356!!!  He is worth
Googeling for a  laff or two. Cheers, Rj

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:

> Your welcome Wendell, just passing on an item that interested me, I thought
> it would interest ab few club members.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
>
>
>   Hi Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the pdf file on the TR-2. Very interesting.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wendell
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: RACER BUD
>>> To: RACER BUD
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:39 PM
>>> Subject: Fw: [TTSCC] Mechanix Illustrated review of TR2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks to CREGG COWAN of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for the following.
>>> Racer Bud
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> A link to this article was posted on the Triumph email list by
>>> Randall.
>>> I found it pretty interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In case anyone would like to grab a copy, I put a downloadable
>>> text-searchable PDF version at
>>> http://tinyurl.com/687pm39
>>>
>>> -- Randall
>>>
>>>
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From mvg1 at att.net  Tue Jan 25 09:17:23 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:17:23 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Add this to your "KEEPERS"....... Seafire Video
Message-ID: <57E723F114164D1E8EA7EBD1DF27EBB1@mike>

This is a very interesting video, enjoy.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dickey
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:53 AM
Subject: FW: Add this to your "KEEPERS"....... Seafire Video




      --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Patrick Odooley <patrickodooley at hotmail.com>
wrote:


        From: Patrick Odooley <patrickodooley at hotmail.com>
        Subject: FW: Add this to your "KEEPERS"....... Seafire Video
        To:
        Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 9:39 AM


        interesting, but more than you want to know.

        Patrick O. Dooley
        Supreme Commander
        (214) 695-0223






------------------------------------------------------------------------
        From: don_taylor45 at comcast.net
        Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:27:16 -0500
        Subject: Add this to your "KEEPERS"....... Seafire Video
        To: drtaylor2 at charter.net







          Seafire Video


          http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=652189715001



        Donald R. Taylor
        P. O. Box 543
        Mount Dora, FL.  32756
        www.Streblowboatowners.com
        via  iMac

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 09:17:27 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:17:27 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] any takers?
Message-ID: <4D3EF797.90903@gmail.com>

  Hi All,
We don't have an MGC in the club - anyone want to step up and buy this 
one? :-)
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 09:18:54 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ooops - second attempt
Message-ID: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>

  Sorry - here's the link.
Greg Tatarian

http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/24/bat-exclusive-impressive-1968-mgc-gt/

From mvg1 at att.net  Tue Jan 25 10:52:47 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:52:47 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: MGA 1622 BLOCK & HEAD NEEDED
Message-ID: <ED253601B9AE413396B530A420C1F2C7@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:40 AM
Subject: Fw: MGA 1622 BLOCK & HEAD NEEDED





Hi Gang....TRACY 'BIG HEALEY' DRUMMOND is in need of a 1622 block for
MGA...or...a complete, race ready engine....
contact Tracy at  bighealey at charter.net  or 408 394 3444 or 408 776 0133
Racer Bud

From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 25 11:01:25 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:01:25 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ooops - second attempt
In-Reply-To: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>
References: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E3B420645654E47B8AF8D695E1391DA@Bonusroom>

Greg, this one looks very nice if not a little pricey, but I've run out of
room.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:19 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] Ooops - second attempt

  Sorry - here's the link.
Greg Tatarian

http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/24/bat-exclusive-impressive-1968-mgc-gt/
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From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 11:08:47 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:08:47 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] MGC GT
In-Reply-To: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>
References: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A38C837-A20A-4398-B345-40B2C07EEA43@mac.com>

This is a truly beautiful car.  Let's see, .....will my wife let me  
exchange it for the Audi wagon?

There is also a "driver" on the same site which really temps me as  
well, although it is not perfect (grill badge seems to be the wrong  
colour which is strange).

http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/04/bat-exclusive-sorted-1969-mgc-gt- 
driver/

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jan 25, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

>  Sorry - here's the link.
> Greg Tatarian
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/24/bat-exclusive-impressive-1968- 
> mgc-gt/
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Tue Jan 25 12:31:22 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:31:22 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Ooops - second attempt
In-Reply-To: <0E3B420645654E47B8AF8D695E1391DA@Bonusroom>
References: <4D3EF7EE.406@gmail.com>
	<0E3B420645654E47B8AF8D695E1391DA@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <4D3F250A.5080003@sonic.net>

Funny thing Andy...first person I thought of when I read Greg's post was 
you!

Ron
58 MGA

Andy Preston wrote:
> Greg, this one looks very nice if not a little pricey, but I've run out of
> room.
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:19 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] Ooops - second attempt
> 
>   Sorry - here's the link.
> Greg Tatarian
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2011/01/24/bat-exclusive-impressive-1968-mgc-gt/

From mewgull at sonic.net  Wed Jan 26 00:30:43 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:30:43 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] MGB-GT available...
Message-ID: <B7557387-C6B8-424E-B083-12E5137D1ED8@sonic.net>

The following is from one of my Land Rover afflicted cohorts.  You  
see, Land Rovers are more of an affliction than those cute LBCs.


My wife says that I can't spend any more money on my Land Rover until
we sell our 1974 MGB-GT.  If anyone out there has an interest, or
knows anyone who might, give me a call/email.  It's in great shape and
we're asking $4500 ( but I'm very negotiable).  I'm REALLY looking to
rebuild my diesel engine, just can't take the smoke & lack of power.
Selling this MGB-GT means I can start that project and get lots of
other new "stuff" for the Landy.

Brian L
(831) 295-4447


G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From hawkview at sonic.net  Wed Jan 26 18:46:48 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:46:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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	<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>

San Francisco is "The City".
New York is the "Big Apples".
Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The 
Dump".  No offense.
And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most 
British things, that makes little sense.
Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New 
York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name. 
Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true "Emerald 
City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town, though 
Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow 
Town".  Any other names come to mind?
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Leroy Churches
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

[?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they have
an Emerald city Up north.  [?]

LeRoy Churches
76 midget special
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:

> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years ago
> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>   Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few 
>> years
>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>> originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were 
>> maybe
>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of 
>> Fine
>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out 
>> to
>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>
>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>
>>
>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>
>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past 
>> our
>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>
>> Greg
>> cars and trucks
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Wed Jan 26 19:10:45 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:10:45 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>
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yes, San Jose is the "pit"

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:47 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

San Francisco is "The City".
New York is the "Big Apples".
Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The 
Dump".  No offense.
And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most 
British things, that makes little sense.
Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New 
York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name. 
Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true "Emerald 
City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town, though

Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow 
Town".  Any other names come to mind?
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Leroy Churches
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

[?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they have
an Emerald city Up north.  [?]

LeRoy Churches
76 midget special
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:

> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years ago
> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>   Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few 
>> years
>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>> originals.
>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were 
>> maybe
>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of 
>> Fine
>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out

>> to
>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>> Just some ideas.
>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>
>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>
>>
>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>
>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past 
>> our
>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>
>> Greg
>> cars and trucks
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 19:17:31 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:17:31 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *I did offer to help with such a
drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in helping. I
don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...  And, as an ex
NY'er, with two sons living there now I have to agree with Ron "*...The City
IS NYC!"
 *Marty
'53 MG TD*
Ron
58 MGA*

*
Ron
58 MGA

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> San Francisco is "The City".
> New York is the "Big Apples".
> Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The
> Dump".  No offense.
> And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most
> British things, that makes little sense.
> Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New
> York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
> Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
> Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name.
> Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true "Emerald
> City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town, though
> Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
> A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow
> Town".  Any other names come to mind?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they
> have
> an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
>
> LeRoy Churches
> 76 midget special
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years ago
>> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
>> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>>
>>  Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>>
>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few
>>> years
>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>>> originals.
>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were
>>> maybe
>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of
>>> Fine
>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some back
>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or out
>>> to
>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up and
>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>>> Just some ideas.
>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>>
>>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>>
>>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>>
>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past
>>> our
>>>
>>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> cars and trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 26 19:50:36 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:50:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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In ca, the city is sf. Sorry!

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-----Original message-----
From: Martin Sinai Rayman <drmartyrayman at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Thu, 27 02:17:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *I did offer to help with such a
drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in helping. I
don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...  And, as an ex
NY'er, with two sons living there now I have to agree with Ron "*...The City
IS NYC!"
 *Marty
'53 MG TD*
Ron
58 MGA*

*
Ron
58 MGA

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> San Francisco is "The City".
> New York is the "Big Apples".
> Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The
> Dump".  No offense.
> And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most
> British things, that makes little sense.
> Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New
> York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
> Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
> Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name.
> Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true  
"Emerald
> City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town,  
though
> Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
> A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow
> Town".  Any other names come to mind?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they
> have
> an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
>
> LeRoy Churches
> 76 midget special
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years  
ago
>> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
>> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>>
>>  Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>>
>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few
>>> years
>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>>> originals.
>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were
>>> maybe
>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of
>>> Fine
>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some  
back
>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or  
out
>>> to
>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up  
and
>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>>> Just some ideas.
>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>>
>>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>>
>>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>>
>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past
>>> our
>>>
>>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> cars and trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $11.47
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________________________________
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-- 
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Pediatric Dentistry*
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San Rafael, CA 94901-3538
Voice: 415.459.1444
FAX:   415.459.1320
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*
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From markdarley at mac.com  Wed Jan 26 19:55:42 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:55:42 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Marin Headlands
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Your tax dollars at work in the Marin Headlands.
http://www.projectheadlands.gov/closuresanddelaysroads.htm

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Martin Sinai Rayman wrote:

> Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it  
> again if
> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *I did offer to help with  
> such a
> drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in  
> helping. I
> don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...  And, as  
> an ex
> NY'er, with two sons living there now I have to agree with Ron  
> "*...The City
> IS NYC!"
> *Marty
> '53 MG TD*
> Ron
> 58 MGA*
>
> *
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> San Francisco is "The City".
>> New York is the "Big Apples".
>> Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just  
>> "The
>> Dump".  No offense.
>> And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like  
>> most
>> British things, that makes little sense.
>> Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough  
>> of New
>> York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
>> Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
>> Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the  
>> name.
>> Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true  
>> "Emerald
>> City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the  
>> town, though
>> Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
>> A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or  
>> "Rainbow
>> Town".  Any other names come to mind?
>> Clif
>> 74 JH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>
>> [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay?  
>> they
>> have
>> an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
>>
>> LeRoy Churches
>> 76 midget special
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many  
>> years ago
>>> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it  
>>> again if
>>> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>>>
>>> Ron
>>> 58 MGA
>>>
>>> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for  
>>> those who
>>>
>>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group  
>>>> a few
>>>> years
>>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the  
>>>> world tour.
>>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>>>> originals.
>>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There  
>>>> were
>>>> maybe
>>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new  
>>>> Palace of
>>>> Fine
>>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do  
>>>> some back
>>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah  
>>>> blah.  Or out
>>>> to
>>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to  
>>>> met up and
>>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>>>> Just some ideas.
>>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive  
>>>> quite a
>>>>
>>>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion  
>>>>> effect
>>>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well  
>>>> back so
>>>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>>>
>>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the  
>>>> past
>>>> our
>>>>
>>>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained  
>>>>> out).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring,  
>>>> Summer or
>>>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping,  
>>>> but that
>>>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer  
>>>> drive
>>>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>> cars and trucks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>> 58 MGA
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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>>>> Suggested annual donation  $11.47
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>>>>
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>
>
> -- 
> *Martin Sinai Rayman, D.D.S.
> Pediatric Dentistry*
> 912 Grand Avenue, #202
> San Rafael, CA 94901-3538
> Voice: 415.459.1444
> FAX:   415.459.1320
> Website: http://www.openbigdds.com
> *
> I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world  
> and a
> desire to enjoy the world.  This makes it hard to plan the day.
> -E.B. White
> *
> NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is  
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Wed Jan 26 20:53:58 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:53:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of gianni
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

In ca, the city is sf. Sorry!

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Martin Sinai Rayman <drmartyrayman at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Thu, 27 02:17:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *I did offer to help with such a
drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in helping. I
don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...  And, as an ex
NY'er, with two sons living there now I have to agree with Ron "*...The City
IS NYC!"
 *Marty
'53 MG TD*
Ron
58 MGA*

*
Ron
58 MGA

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> San Francisco is "The City".
> New York is the "Big Apples".
> Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The
> Dump".  No offense.
> And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most
> British things, that makes little sense.
> Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New
> York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
> Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
> Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name.
> Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true  
"Emerald
> City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town,  
though
> Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
> A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow
> Town".  Any other names come to mind?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they
> have
> an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
>
> LeRoy Churches
> 76 midget special
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years  
ago
>> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
>> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
>>
>> Ron
>> 58 MGA
>>
>> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>>
>>  Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
>>
>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few
>>> years
>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world tour.
>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
>>> originals.
>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were
>>> maybe
>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of
>>> Fine
>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some  
back
>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or  
out
>>> to
>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up  
and
>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
>>> Just some ideas.
>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>>>
>>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
>>>
>>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
>>>> (especially on larger rides).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back so
>>> I can catch up on the turns.
>>>
>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past
>>> our
>>>
>>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer or
>>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
>>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
>>> with perhaps a special destination?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> cars and trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ron
>>>> 58 MGA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 21:00:57 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:00:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Marin Headlands
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i don't know about #6 but everything else is finished.  marty

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com> wrote:

> Your tax dollars at work in the Marin Headlands.
> http://www.projectheadlands.gov/closuresanddelaysroads.htm
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Martin Sinai Rayman wrote:
>
> > Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
> > to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it
> > again if
> > anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *I did offer to help with
> > such a
> > drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in
> > helping. I
> > don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...  And, as
> > an ex
> > NY'er, with two sons living there now I have to agree with Ron
> > "*...The City
> > IS NYC!"
> > *Marty
> > '53 MG TD*
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA*
> >
> > *
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> > hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >> San Francisco is "The City".
> >> New York is the "Big Apples".
> >> Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just
> >> "The
> >> Dump".  No offense.
> >> And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like
> >> most
> >> British things, that makes little sense.
> >> Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough
> >> of New
> >> York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
> >> Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
> >> Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the
> >> name.
> >> Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true
> >> "Emerald
> >> City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the
> >> town, though
> >> Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
> >> A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or
> >> "Rainbow
> >> Town".  Any other names come to mind?
> >> Clif
> >> 74 JH
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
> >> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
> >> To: North Bay British Car Club
> >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >>
> >> [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay?
> >> they
> >> have
> >> an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
> >>
> >> LeRoy Churches
> >> 76 midget special
> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many
> >> years ago
> >>> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it
> >>> again if
> >>> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>> 58 MGA
> >>>
> >>> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for
> >>> those who
> >>>
> >>>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group
> >>>> a few
> >>>> years
> >>>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the
> >>>> world tour.
> >>>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
> >>>> originals.
> >>>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There
> >>>> were
> >>>> maybe
> >>>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new
> >>>> Palace of
> >>>> Fine
> >>>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do
> >>>> some back
> >>>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah
> >>>> blah.  Or out
> >>>> to
> >>>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to
> >>>> met up and
> >>>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
> >>>> Just some ideas.
> >>>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
> >>>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive
> >>>> quite a
> >>>>
> >>>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion
> >>>>> effect
> >>>>> (especially on larger rides).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well
> >>>> back so
> >>>> I can catch up on the turns.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the
> >>>> past
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained
> >>>>> out).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring,
> >>>> Summer or
> >>>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping,
> >>>> but that
> >>>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer
> >>>> drive
> >>>> with perhaps a special destination?
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg
> >>>> cars and trucks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron
> >>>>> 58 MGA
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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> >>
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> >> name of
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Martin Sinai Rayman, D.D.S.
> > Pediatric Dentistry*
> > 912 Grand Avenue, #202
> > San Rafael, CA 94901-3538
> > Voice: 415.459.1444
> > FAX:   415.459.1320
> > Website: http://www.openbigdds.com
> > *
> > I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world
> > and a
> > desire to enjoy the world.  This makes it hard to plan the day.
> > -E.B. White
> > *
> > NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is
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Pediatric Dentistry*
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FAX:   415.459.1320
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 21:28:57 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:28:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Well, beg to differ but V We did have a ride many years ago
to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
anyone wants to put it together. My $.02  *
Ron
58 MGA*

I did offer to help with such a
drive and also made suggestions.  Someone else was interested in helping. I
don't remember who.  I have gotten no response to date...
 Marty
'53 MG TD



On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:50 PM, gianni <giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> In ca, the city is sf. Sorry!
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Martin Sinai Rayman <drmartyrayman at gmail.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: 2011 Jan, Thu, 27 02:17:31 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
>
> *
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > San Francisco is "The City".
> > New York is the "Big Apples".
> > Los Angles use to be called "The City of Angles", but is now just "The
> > Dump".  No offense.
> > And for Brit lovers, London is called "The Square Mile".  And like most
> > British things, that makes little sense.
> > Manhattan is sometimes referred to as "The City", but is a borough of New
> > York, so doesn't qualify as a city at all.
> > Many cities have nick names, even Oakland, "Oaktown".
> > Oh, and the "Emerald City" was taken long before Seattle stole the name.
> > Dorothy and Toto followed the Yellow Brick Road and found the true
> "Emerald
> > City".  Dorothy was from Kansas, but there is no mention of the town,
> though
> > Kansas City known as "The Heart of America".
> > A better name for Seattle might be "The City of Rainbows", or "Rainbow
> > Town".  Any other names come to mind?
> > Clif
> > 74 JH
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Churches
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:22 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >
> > [?]Then  what the Big Apple ? and wheres is  The City  by the bay? they
> > have
> > an Emerald city Up north.  [?]
> >
> > LeRoy Churches
> > 76 midget special
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Well, beg to differ but The City IS NYC! We did have a ride many years
> ago
> >> to San Francisco/Marin Headlands and it would be great to do it again if
> >> anyone wants to put it together. My $.02
> >>
> >> Ron
> >> 58 MGA
> >>
> >> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> >>
> >>  Has the club ever done a ride to The City?  San Francisco for those who
> >>
> >>> don't know what "The City", is.   We came across a Citroen group a few
> >>> years
> >>> ago.  They were from all over the world, doing an around the world
> tour.
> >>> Must be nice.  Some of the cars were perfect, others pretty beat up
> >>> originals.
> >>> Anyway they met up in a big parking lot in The Presidio.  There were
> >>> maybe
> >>> 40 cars.  But I think it would be cool to met up at the new Palace of
> >>> Fine
> >>> Arts.  I think there is a parking lot at the Exploratorium.  Do some
> back
> >>> roads, drive through Sausalito, over the bridge...blah blah blah.  Or
> out
> >>> to
> >>> Marin Head Lands.  If it's nice that would be a great place to met up
> and
> >>> picnic.  Some great photo ops as well.
> >>> Just some ideas.
> >>> Clif and Deborah  74 JH
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:07 PM
> >>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >>>
> >>>  On 1/17/2011 1:00 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've noticed on the (few) rides I haven't led that I must drive quite a
> >>>
> >>>> bit faster in the rear than in the front due to the accordion effect
> >>>> (especially on larger rides).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I actually enjoy that accordion effect, and will often hang well back
> so
> >>> I can catch up on the turns.
> >>>
> >>> Someone may want to step up and plan a special March ride. In the past
> >>> our
> >>>
> >>>> rides in March have tended to be really great (when not rained out).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What do people think of an overnighter sometime in the Spring, Summer
> or
> >>> early Fall? Doesn't look like too many of us are into camping, but that
> >>> could be an option, or a hotel. Obviously, this would be a longer drive
> >>> with perhaps a special destination?
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>> cars and trucks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Ron
> >>>> 58 MGA
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Wed Jan 26 21:34:28 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:34:28 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except 
San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty 
and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town", 
somebody step up and lets make it happen.

Ron
58 MGA

John Kenner wrote:
> I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> 
> JOHN KENNER
> 
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F

From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 27 09:20:55 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:20:55 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: A new Engine
Message-ID: <3BAE91231C794000983A753CA9E03F5E@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:49 PM
Subject: Fw: A new Engine





thanks to DAVE 'MUSTANGS AND MOVIES' MANI for the following.
Racer Bud


WOW...this is very interesting!

Dave Mani
ManiMotorsports
415-810-4827
----- Original Message -----
From: john mani
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: A new Engine








   A New Engine ! Interesting!

  The applications are unlimited!

  Saving the World Two Strokes at a Time
  32
  This is no wimp engine.
  It's a two cylinder with four pistons delivering 300+ Horse Power
  It's extremely small and very efficient and is presently in use in test
applications
  The configuration below is equivalent to a extremely ballsy four cylinder
engine
  When doubled, it's an extremely ballsy 600+ H.P. engine


   It's called OPOC (Opposed Piston Opposed Cylinder), and it's a turbocharged
two-stroke, two-cylinder, with four pistons, two in each cylinder, that will
run on gasoline, diesel or ethanol. The two pistons, inside a single cylinder,
pump toward and away from each other, thus allowing a cycle to be completed
twice as quickly as a conventional engine while balancing it's own loads.
  The heavy lifting for this unconventional concept was performed Prof. Peter
Hofbauer. During his 20 years at VW, Hofbauer headed up, among other things,
development of VW's first diesel engine and the VR6.
  The OPOC has been in development for several years, and the company claims
it's 30 percent lighter, one quarter the size and achieves 50 percent better
fuel economy than a conventional turbo diesel engine.
  They're predicting 100 MPG in a conventional car.
  For a good demo, See:
  http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder

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From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 27 09:55:14 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:55:14 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Question: Is Sex Work?
Message-ID: <5C0068361F804F7DBE8FEC66817CE4FE@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dickey
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Question: Is Sex Work?




      --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Jim Mathis <chief911 at swbell.net> wrote:


        From: Jim Mathis <chief911 at swbell.net>
        Subject: Question: Is Sex Work?
        To:
        Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:41 AM




                 A U.S. Marine Colonel was about to start the morning briefing
to his staff. While waiting for the coffee machine to finish brewing, the
colonel decided to pose a question to all assembled. He explained that his
wife had been a bit frisky the night before and he failed to get his usual
amount of sound sleep. He posed the question of just how much of sex was
"work" and how much of it was "pleasure?"

                     A Major chimed in with 75%-25% in favor of work.

                     A Captain said it was 50%-50%.

                     A lieutenant responded with 25%-75% in favor of pleasure,
depending upon his state of inebriation at the time.

                     There being no consensus, the colonel turned to the PFC
who was in charge of making the coffee and asked for HIS opinion?

                     Without any hesitation, the young PFC responded, "Sir, it
has to be 100% pleasure."

                     The colonel was surprised and as you might guess, asked
why?

                     "Well, sir, if there was any work involved, the officers
would have me doing it for them."

                     The room fell silent.

                                                 God Bless the enlisted man.

From mvg1 at att.net  Thu Jan 27 10:13:24 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:13:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: F-16 Dead stick into Elizabeth City, N.C.
Message-ID: <930209F8188E41B998D045043A9291A6@mike>

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dickey
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: FW: F-16 Dead stick into Elizabeth City, N.C.




      --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Patrick Odooley <patrickodooley at hotmail.com>
wrote:


        From: Patrick Odooley <patrickodooley at hotmail.com>
        Subject: FW: F-16 Dead stick into Elizabeth City, N.C.
        To: ghabelt at aol.com
        Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 9:15 AM


        this guy lands better with no power than I do with power.

        Patrick O. Dooley
        Supreme Commander
        (214) 695-0223






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        From: Ghabelt at aol.com
        Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:47:20 -0500
        Subject: Fwd: FW: F-16 Dead stick into Elizabeth City, N.C.
        To: ghabelt at aol.com


        Who says you can't dead stick glide a fighter jet to a landing !
Hell, even the Air Force can !!




















          Here's the F-16 dead stick into Elizabeth City, NC: A fairly  short
RWY for jets, (about 6000 ft long), but qualifies for  an "Emergency landing
field" in the grand  scheme of US aviation.

          You'll probably have to watch the video several times to  appreciate
how intense the situation and how busy the pilot was all  the way to stopping
on the runway.  Very apparently, the pilot  was one-of-four F-16s in a flight
returning to their base, (most  probably from the Navy Dare bombing range
south of  Manteo), and the F-16 in question had already reported a
"Ruff-Running Engine" to his flight leader before the start of the  video.

          A few comments not readily apparent  are: - The whole episode, from
start-to-finish only takes about 3 1/2  minutes! - The video begins as the
flight is being followed on  radar.  The flight leader askes for the Elizabeth
City  tower UHF freq which is repeated as 355.6 and the entire flight
switches to that freq: Just one-more-task for the pilot to execute in  the
cockpit as he reports that his engine has QUIT.  He has to  activate the
Emergency Unit to maintain electric and hydraulic  power.  This unit is
powered by Hydrazine:  (the caustic  fuel that Germany created in WW II to
power their  V-2 Rockets and their ME-163 rocket fighters among others.) Thus,
the last call about requesting fire support after the jet is safe  on deck,
and pilot breathing easy. - Meanwhile, back in the cockpit, the pilot is
busily attempting  to "Re-light" his engine: (Unsuccessfully, of course) while
tending to everything else.

          - The video is taken using the Head-Up-Display (HUD) camera which
also has a voice recorder.

          - The HUD is a very busy instrument, but among things to  notice are
the 'circle' in the middle which represents the nose of the  aircraft and
where it is 'pointed': "The velocity Vector". - The flight leader reports they
are 7-miles out from the airport  and at 9000 ft altitude.  Since the weather
is clear and the  airport is in sight, this allows for adequate "Gliding
distance"  to reach a runway with the engine OFF.  Rest assured,  jet fighters
glide sorta like a rock.  They don't enjoy the  higher lift design of an
airliner like that which  allowed Sullenburger to land in the NY river.

          - Coming down 9000 ft in only 7-miles requires a helluva  rate of
descent, so the pilot's nose remains well below the "Horizon"  until just
prior to touching down on the runway.  The HUD horizon  is a solid, lateral
bar, and below the horizon, the horizontal lines  appear as dashes. You'll see
a "10" on the second dashed line below  the horizon which = 10-degrees nose
low. - Radio chatter includes the flight leader calling the  tower and the
tower stating runway 10 with wind 070 at 5MPH + altimeter  setting of 30.13: yet
another step for the pilot to consider.. - The flight leader calls for the
pilot to jettison his external  fuel tanks and askes anothe pilot in the
flight to "Mark" where they  dropped..  The tower later tells the pilot to
land on any rwy he  chooses. - Pilot reports "Three in the green" indicating
all three gear  indicate down and locked which the flight leader acknowledges.
- You will hear the computer voice of "Bitchin'-Betty" calling  out
"Warnings".  More confusing chatter when none is welcome or  even necessary.
(That's "Hi-Tech" for ya.) - The pilot has only ONE CHANCE to get this right
and must also  slow to an acceptable landing speed in order to stop on the
short  runway.  You'll see Black rubber on the rwy where "The rubber  meets
the road" in the touchdown area.  Note that during rollout,  he gets all the
way to the far end which you can see by all the  black skid marks where planes
have landed heading in the opposite  direction.

          OK: That's more than ya probably wanted to know, but you have to
appreciate the fine job this guy did in calmly managing this emergency
situation.  He is a "USAF Reserve" pilot and those guys generally  have plenty
of experience.  That really pays off.

          Plze scroll down for the link  + Enjoy.


          The pilot just  saved about $20+m at  his own risk.......Great job!
best,

          Note  the breathing rate on the hot mic and also the sink rate
(airspeed  tape on the left side of the heads up  display.



          See  if you can keep all of the radio transmissions  straight.

          Probably  the coolest sounding voice in the whole mix is the pilot
of  the engine out aircraft.

          Just  a reminder an F-16 has only one engine.

          When  it goes, you are coming down.

          It  is just a matter of figuring out where the airplane will come
to rest on terra firma.

          Nice  job....cool pilot!


          http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/SUPERGT/3384/

          For  those not familiar, the EPU (Electrical Power Unit)

          provides  hydraulic and electrical power in event of failure of the
engine, electrical or hydraulics.

          The  EPU is powered by Hydrazine which decomposes into hot gasses
as it passes across a catalyst bed or engine bleed air (if  available).

          The  hot air passes through a turbine which drives the emergency
hydraulic pump and generator through a gear  box.






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From dan at drummondlaw.com  Thu Jan 27 10:38:41 2011
From: dan at drummondlaw.com (Daniel Drummond)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:38:41 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Hey Ron,

I went to school in NYC for a couple years and don't remember it being referred to as "the City."  I do recall, however, that no local would be caught dead referring to Sixth Avenue as the Avenue of the Americas.  :)  San Francisco is and always will be "the City."  ;)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town", somebody step up and lets make it happen.

Ron
58 MGA

John Kenner wrote:
> I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> 
> JOHN KENNER
> 
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 11:52:59 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City".  In 
fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the 
movie "On the Town".  But not "The City".  And I don't think being called 
"New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake 
would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town",  and Tony Bennett 
calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me.  New 
York will really always be, "The Big Apple".  If you would like more proof 
go to:  http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
Clif  74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
somebody step up and lets make it happen.

Ron
58 MGA

John Kenner wrote:
> I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 14:04:29 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:04:29 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Ron, call sf anything you want just don't call it Frisco if you please!

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Clif & Deborah Williamson <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Thu, 27 18:52:59 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City".  In  
fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the  
movie "On the Town".  But not "The City".  And I don't think being called  
"New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake  
would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town",  and Tony Bennett  
calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me.  New  
York will really always be, "The Big Apple".  If you would like more proof  
go to:  http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
Clif  74 JH

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
somebody step up and lets make it happen.

Ron
58 MGA

John Kenner wrote:
> I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
>
> JOHN KENNER
>
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 14:42:51 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:42:51 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <445D01DEA48A4147B5F95F298053C5AA@williamsonPC>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net><AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com><2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC><AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com><83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur><001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>,
	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
	<445D01DEA48A4147B5F95F298053C5AA@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>

another two cents:

Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to "The
City".
 That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
were going.
We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it referred
to as The City....at least as far as I can remember!
The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to San
Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists.

Al
59 TR3


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: hawkview at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
> Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In
> fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the
> movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called
> "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake
> would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
> If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett
> calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me. New
> York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof
> go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
> So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
> Clif 74 JH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Engelhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
> somebody step up and lets make it happen.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> John Kenner wrote:
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> >
> > JOHN KENNER
> >
> > 510 231 6803 P
> > 415 806 2457 C
> > 510 231 6805 F
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 15:32:32 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>,
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>,
	<4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net>,
	<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>,
	<AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com>,
	<83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur>,
	<001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>, <4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>

 SF for an NOBBC drive? WHY, WHY, WHY? Great scenic roads all around us, and
we want to drive to SF via 101, pay the bridge toll and bask in the glory of
San Francisco traffic? Not me.
  BTW, the Grinnall Scorpion is now fully operational, and will be rolling
within the hour as soon as I my new battery finishes fully charging. You've
been warned.   Tom R

> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:34:28 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
> somebody step up and lets make it happen.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> John Kenner wrote:
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> >
> > JOHN KENNER
> >
> > 510 231 6803 P
> > 415 806 2457 C
> > 510 231 6805 F
> _______________________________________________
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 16:37:08 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:37:08 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>,
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>,
	<4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net>,
	<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>,
	<AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com>,
	<83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur>,
	<001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>, <4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D4201A4.2010305@sonic.net>

Heh, Says the man who never shows up for any rides. Seriously, you now 
have NO excuse to not show up. Next ride is Dawson's Valentines ride 
which is a popular ride with lots of attendees (usually), one not to be 
missed even if it is cool weather. Still top down!

Ron
58 MGA

Tom Reier wrote:

>  SF for an NOBBC drive? WHY, WHY, WHY? Great scenic roads all around us, and
> we want to drive to SF via 101, pay the bridge toll and bask in the glory of
> San Francisco traffic? Not me.
>   BTW, the Grinnall Scorpion is now fully operational, and will be rolling
> within the hour as soon as I my new battery finishes fully charging. You've
> been warned.   Tom R

From rlmossholder at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 17:16:26 2011
From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1903977571.1989075.1296173786720.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Frisco is a town in Texas. There was also a railroad of the same name. 
Rich 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com> 
To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 

another two cents: 

Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to "The 
City". 
That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you 
were going. 
We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it referred 
to as The City....at least as far as I can remember! 
The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to San 
Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists. 

Al 
59 TR3 


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul 
Kantner 




> From: hawkview at sonic.net 
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net 
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> Ron...Not to be argumentative, but: 
> Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In 
> fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the 
> movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called 
> "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake 
> would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City". 
> If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett 
> calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me. New 
> York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof 
> go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html 
> So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City", 
> Clif 74 JH 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Engelhardt 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM 
> To: North Bay British Car Club 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except 
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty 
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town", 
> somebody step up and lets make it happen. 
> 
> Ron 
> 58 MGA 
> 
> John Kenner wrote: 
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO. 
> > 
> > JOHN KENNER 
> > 
> > 510 231 6803 P 
> > 415 806 2457 C 
> > 510 231 6805 F 
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From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Thu Jan 27 17:48:15 2011
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:48:15 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <1903977571.1989075.1296173786720.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
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Al,
San Francisco has always been referred to as "The City" by Bay Area
residents, although native to SF, I never lived there but in other parts of
the Bay Area since 1959. I never heard of New York being call that, but then
again it's all your point of reference. You can just as easily modify your
last two cents with reference to San Francisco (instead of NY) and any Bay
Area native could have written it.



Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:16 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Frisco is a town in Texas. There was also a railroad of the same name. 
Rich 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 

another two cents: 

Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to
"The City". 
That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
were going. 
We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it
referred to as The City....at least as far as I can remember! 
The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to
San Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists. 

Al 
59 TR3 


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul 
Kantner 




> From: hawkview at sonic.net 
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net 
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> Ron...Not to be argumentative, but: 
> Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In 
> fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the 
> movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called 
> "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake 
> would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City". 
> If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett 
> calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me. New

> York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof 
> go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html 
> So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City", 
> Clif 74 JH 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Engelhardt 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM 
> To: North Bay British Car Club 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except 
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty 
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town", 
> somebody step up and lets make it happen. 
> 
> Ron 
> 58 MGA 
> 
> John Kenner wrote: 
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO. 
> > 
> > JOHN KENNER 
> > 
> > 510 231 6803 P 
> > 415 806 2457 C 
> > 510 231 6805 F 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 17:57:58 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:57:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <4D4201A4.2010305@sonic.net>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>, ,
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>, ,
	<4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net>, ,
	<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>, ,
	<2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>, ,
	<AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com>, ,
	<83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur>, ,
	<001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>, 
	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
	<BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>,
	<4D4201A4.2010305@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w34555187A24E25CE9F684ED0E10@phx.gbl>

Ok, Ron...but you better bring me candy and flowers.
                                                      Tom

> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:37:08 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Heh, Says the man who never shows up for any rides. Seriously, you now
> have NO excuse to not show up. Next ride is Dawson's Valentines ride
> which is a popular ride with lots of attendees (usually), one not to be
> missed even if it is cool weather. Still top down!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Tom Reier wrote:
>
> >  SF for an NOBBC drive? WHY, WHY, WHY? Great scenic roads all around us,
and
> > we want to drive to SF via 101, pay the bridge toll and bask in the glory
of
> > San Francisco traffic? Not me.
> >   BTW, the Grinnall Scorpion is now fully operational, and will be
rolling
> > within the hour as soon as I my new battery finishes fully charging.
You've
> > been warned.   Tom R
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 18:26:46 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:26:46 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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References: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
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Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Peter Ziedrich <zied at redwoodempiremini.com>
To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 00:48:15 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Al,
San Francisco has always been referred to as "The City" by Bay Area
residents, although native to SF, I never lived there but in other parts of
the Bay Area since 1959. I never heard of New York being call that, but then
again it's all your point of reference. You can just as easily modify your
last two cents with reference to San Francisco (instead of NY) and any Bay
Area native could have written it.



Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:16 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Frisco is a town in Texas. There was also a railroad of the same name. 
Rich 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 

another two cents: 

Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to
"The City". 
That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
were going. 
We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it
referred to as The City....at least as far as I can remember! 
The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to
San Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists. 

Al 
59 TR3 


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul 
Kantner 




> From: hawkview at sonic.net 
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net 
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> Ron...Not to be argumentative, but: 
> Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In 
> fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the 
> movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called 
> "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake 
> would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City". 
> If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett 
> calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me. New

> York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof 
> go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html 
> So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City", 
> Clif 74 JH 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Engelhardt 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM 
> To: North Bay British Car Club 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed 
> 
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except 
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty 
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town", 
> somebody step up and lets make it happen. 
> 
> Ron 
> 58 MGA 
> 
> John Kenner wrote: 
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO. 
> > 
> > JOHN KENNER 
> > 
> > 510 231 6803 P 
> > 415 806 2457 C 
> > 510 231 6805 F 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Nobbc at autox.team.net 
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 19:25:47 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:25:47 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <BLU153-w34555187A24E25CE9F684ED0E10@phx.gbl>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>, ,
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>, ,
	<4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net>, ,
	<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>, ,
	<2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>, ,
	<AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com>, ,
	<83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur>, ,
	<001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>, 	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
	<BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>,
	<4D4201A4.2010305@sonic.net>
	<BLU153-w34555187A24E25CE9F684ED0E10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D42292B.8010501@sonic.net>

You need to ask Dawson...it's his ride ;-0

Ron
58 MGA

Tom Reier wrote:

> Ok, Ron...but you better bring me candy and flowers.
>                                                       Tom

From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 19:32:36 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:32:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [Fwd: 53 MG]
Message-ID: <4D422AC4.6000505@sonic.net>

Thought I'd share this with the group. I have had many reports from 
people about good service from Universal. I get many requests for 
service recommendations but only do my own work so have no basis for 
recommending except for feedback received from members. It's nice to be 
able to send someone to a place that other members have praised.

Ron
58 MGA

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	53 MG
Date: 	Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:14:53 -0800 (PST)
From: 	ROBERT G URE <mbure at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	nobbc at sonic.net



Ron, I took my MG to Universal Auto Repair on Sonoma Highway for work
recently, as I recall telling you about.

John, the owner there did a nice job of analyzing my problem, worked
over the SU carbs and added an electronic ignition conversion kit.  The
car runs great as a result.  I think Universal can be recommended.  John
showed me his 53 TR3, which he is gradually restoring.

Bob Ure

From bluesson at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 19:32:22 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:32:22 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <4D42292B.8010501@sonic.net>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>,
	,,<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>,
	,,<4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net>,
	,,<AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com>,
	,,<2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC>,
	,,<AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com>,
	,,<83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur>,
	,,<001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>,
	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>, ,
	<BLU153-w20519A1B58AE23F270EEB8D0FE0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<4D4201A4.2010305@sonic.net>,
	<BLU153-w34555187A24E25CE9F684ED0E10@phx.gbl>,
	<4D42292B.8010501@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BLU153-w25E0275F368862F7A83BFBD0E10@phx.gbl>

  Are you saying we're not an item anymore??

> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:25:47 -0800
> From: nobbc at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> You need to ask Dawson...it's his ride ;-0
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Tom Reier wrote:
>
> > Ok, Ron...but you better bring me candy and flowers.
> >                                                       Tom
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 21:06:14 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:06:14 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net><4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>

Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members 
there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know 
maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years 
would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
Something like:
                                    Make                    Model       Year 
Condition (1-10)
Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
Just a thought.

Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would 
somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then 
when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was 
sent to my home computer.
Thanks

From mitch.utsey at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 21:53:20 2011
From: mitch.utsey at gmail.com (Mitch Utsey)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:53:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>
	<4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC>
	<8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcFvtSgLy+KHmj1uP0M1GhOxZ-GNJHiMUv+wAx@mail.gmail.com>

Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
                        Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2




On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                   Make                    Model       Year
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and
> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
> was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From bnlcott at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 22:55:03 2011
From: bnlcott at comcast.net (BNLCOTT)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 05:55:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <358715236.1939880.1296193016628.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <590222946.1940331.1296194103085.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Haven't seen you guys for a while... will plan a run soon (promise) 

Brad Cott Healdsburg Austin Healey MKIII 3000 1967 8.5 





----- "Mitch Utsey" <mitch.utsey at gmail.com> wrote: 


Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5 
Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2 




On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson < 





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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 23:08:15 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:08:15 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcFvtSgLy+KHmj1uP0M1GhOxZ-GNJHiMUv+wAx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com><0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC><8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
	<AANLkTimcFvtSgLy+KHmj1uP0M1GhOxZ-GNJHiMUv+wAx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95C14A2B801A4F169D4D3BCE8163EC13@williamsonPC>

Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to 
like basket cases.
OK.  So I guess the list has started.
Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a 
list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be 
ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many 
combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about 
British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
Clif  74 Jensen Healey


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mitch Utsey
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
                        Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2




On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                   Make                    Model       Year
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, 
> and
> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
> was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 23:22:04 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:22:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <590222946.1940331.1296194103085.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <590222946.1940331.1296194103085.JavaMail.root@sz0174a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B6F6AA32B6BA4E4CBE926F43C25C685F@williamsonPC>

City would be good as well.
Should that be Austin Healey 3000 MKIII?
Maybe also have OTHER, like if you have a V-8 in your X-4 banger.
Clif

-----Original Message----- 
From: BNLCOTT
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:55 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Haven't seen you guys for a while... will plan a run soon (promise)

Brad Cott Healdsburg Austin Healey MKIII 3000 1967 8.5





----- "Mitch Utsey" <mitch.utsey at gmail.com> wrote:


Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5
Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2




On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <





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From algarber at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 23:26:31 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <25fe93ed-f653-4332-86bf-783b55ff4785@blur>
References: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>,
	<1903977571.1989075.1296173786720.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAbCgIXvNzBIlYUuWmhNNwfCgAAAEAAAAFfcF1caRyRIs1tePp9PxjgBAAAAAA==@redwoodempiremini.com>,
	<25fe93ed-f653-4332-86bf-783b55ff4785@blur>
Message-ID: <SNT139-w448981A5253DD44D5B88FBC3E10@phx.gbl>

Peter,
   I do realize that. The back and forth was too good to not participate.
Personally if I had to chose "The City", it would be Paris !


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:26:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Peter Ziedrich <zied at redwoodempiremini.com>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 00:48:15 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Al,
> San Francisco has always been referred to as "The City" by Bay Area
> residents, although native to SF, I never lived there but in other parts of
> the Bay Area since 1959. I never heard of New York being call that, but
then
> again it's all your point of reference. You can just as easily modify your
> last two cents with reference to San Francisco (instead of NY) and any Bay
> Area native could have written it.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:16 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Frisco is a town in Texas. There was also a railroad of the same name.
> Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
> To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> another two cents:
>
> Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to
> "The City".
> That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
> were going.
> We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it
> referred to as The City....at least as far as I can remember!
> The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to
> San Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists.
>
> Al
> 59 TR3
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
> > From: hawkview at sonic.net
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >
> > Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
> > Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In
> > fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the
> > movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called
> > "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake
> > would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
> > If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett
> > calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me.
New
>
> > York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof
> > go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
> > So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
> > Clif 74 JH
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Engelhardt
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >
> > As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
> > San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
> > and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
> > somebody step up and lets make it happen.
> >
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA
> >
> > John Kenner wrote:
> > > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> > >
> > > JOHN KENNER
> > >
> > > 510 231 6803 P
> > > 415 806 2457 C
> > > 510 231 6805 F
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jan 27 23:43:16 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:43:16 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net><AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com><2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC><AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com><83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur><001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>,
	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
	<445D01DEA48A4147B5F95F298053C5AA@williamsonPC>
	<SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
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Regarding "The Big Apple":  Funny, I have never hear New York referred to as 
"The City", nor any other city for that matter.  But it seems like every New 
Years I can remember, New York was referred to as "The Big Apple", by those 
on TV or Radio (for you old guys) who watched that dumb glass ball drop at 
midnight.  But I would suggest you read the history of "The Big Apple" 
referenced below.  It is very interesting since New York

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Garber
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42 PM
To: NOBBCC
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

another two cents:

Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to 
"The
City".
That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
were going.
We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it 
referred
to as The City....at least as far as I can remember!
The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to 
San
Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists.

Al
59 TR3


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: hawkview at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
> Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". In
> fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the
> movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called
> "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake
> would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
> If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony Bennett
> calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me. New
> York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more proof
> go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
> So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
> Clif 74 JH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Engelhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
> San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
> and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
> somebody step up and lets make it happen.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> John Kenner wrote:
> > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> >
> > JOHN KENNER
> >
> > 510 231 6803 P
> > 415 806 2457 C
> > 510 231 6805 F
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 00:00:24 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:00:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Speed
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Not that it makes much sense, but Paris is known as "The City of Lights". 
That name also belongs to Las Vegas, along with "Sin City", "Glitter Gulch", 
and of course "The Strip".
I guess that begs the question:  What is a city?  I always thought of it as 
tall like New York, or San Francisco or most of American "Cities".  But 
Paris is certainly not a tall city, is it?  More like a big town.
Did anyone know that Wichita, Kansas is also know as the "Emerald City".  So 
was Dorothy from Wichita?  I think they stool it.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Garber
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:26 PM
To: NOBBCC
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed

Peter,
   I do realize that. The back and forth was too good to not participate.
Personally if I had to chose "The City", it would be Paris !


"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:26:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Peter Ziedrich <zied at redwoodempiremini.com>
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 00:48:15 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Al,
> San Francisco has always been referred to as "The City" by Bay Area
> residents, although native to SF, I never lived there but in other parts 
> of
> the Bay Area since 1959. I never heard of New York being call that, but
then
> again it's all your point of reference. You can just as easily modify your
> last two cents with reference to San Francisco (instead of NY) and any Bay
> Area native could have written it.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:16 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> Frisco is a town in Texas. There was also a railroad of the same name.
> Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
> To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:42:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
>
> another two cents:
>
> Going back to the 1950's as a teenager, going to NYC was always a trip to
> "The City".
> That was the only description necessary for people to understand where you
> were going.
> We did live in San Francisco in the late 1960's and I never heard it
> referred to as The City....at least as far as I can remember!
> The Big Apple is a term used only for and by the same people that refer to
> San Francisco as "Frisco"......tourists.
>
> Al
> 59 TR3
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
> > From: hawkview at sonic.net
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:52:59 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >
> > Ron...Not to be argumentative, but:
> > Just because "City" is attached to the end doesn't make it "The City". 
> > In
> > fact in more know as "As a Wonderful Town" and "The Big City", from the
> > movie "On the Town". But not "The City". And I don't think being called
> > "New York City" makes it "The City", lest Oklahoma, Kansas and Salt Lake
> > would also be called "The City", and there can only be one "The City".
> > If Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelley call New York "a town", and Tony 
> > Bennett
> > calls San Francisco "His "City" by the bay, that's good enough for me.
New
>
> > York will really always be, "The Big Apple". If you would like more 
> > proof
> > go to: http://www.salwen.com/apple.html
> > So it's settled...San Francisco is "The City",
> > Clif 74 JH
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Engelhardt
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:34 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Speed
> >
> > As an ex NYer, "the city" is and always will be NYC to everyone except
> > San Franciscans. Maybe we could call SF "the town" as it's so itty bitty
> > and cute compared to NYC ;-0 I do like the idea of a ride to "the town",
> > somebody step up and lets make it happen.
> >
> > Ron
> > 58 MGA
> >
> > John Kenner wrote:
> > > I WAS RAISED IN THE CITY AND IT'S SAN FRANCISCO.
> > >
> > > JOHN KENNER
> > >
> > > 510 231 6803 P
> > > 415 806 2457 C
> > > 510 231 6805 F
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 00:14:04 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic 
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just 
one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many 
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars 
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model       
> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
> 
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  
> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, 
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider 
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
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From davidwi at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 00:21:22 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:21:22 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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David Willson	Jensen Healey	1974	condition  ~ 	6
		Jensen Healey	1973			2 	parked
		Jensen Healey	1974			1 	parked
possibly permanently
And Lotsa Parts, too


David
74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia' (aka Big Smoke)
Sebastopol, CA, USA

From rlmossholder at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 01:26:21 2011
From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:26:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Rich Mossholder 
1971 Triumph Spitfire condition...maybe an 8 when I'm finished with all of the repairs. 

From mewgull at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 01:42:36 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:42:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for  
> sale.  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and  
> deleted it, and then when syncing took place it was gone from my  
> email provider before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
>

The following is from one of my Land Rover afflicted cohorts.  You  
see, Land Rovers are more of an affliction than those cute LBCs.


My wife says that I can't spend any more money on my Land Rover until
we sell our 1974 MGB-GT.  If anyone out there has an interest, or
knows anyone who might, give me a call/email.  It's in great shape and
we're asking $4500 ( but I'm very negotiable).  I'm REALLY looking to
rebuild my diesel engine, just can't take the smoke & lack of power.
Selling this MGB-GT means I can start that project and get lots of
other new "stuff" for the Landy.
Brian L
(831) 295-4447

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From mitch.utsey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 07:50:11 2011
From: mitch.utsey at gmail.com (Mitch Utsey)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:50:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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1/2 may actually be giving it too much credit...

-Mitch

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a
> list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
>
> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                  Make                    Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 08:35:44 2011
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:35:44 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Marty & Naomi    MG     TD     1953    7?

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Mitch Utsey <mitch.utsey at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1/2 may actually be giving it too much credit...
>
> -Mitch
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> > like basket cases.
> > OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> > Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> > I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe
> a
> > list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can
> be
> > ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> > combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> > British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> > Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> > Clif  74 Jensen Healey
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> >
> >
> > Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
> >                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> > hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> >> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.
>  I
> >> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars
> and
> >> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> >> Something like:
> >>                                  Make                    Model
> Year
> >> Condition (1-10)
> >> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> >> Just a thought.
> >>
> >> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
> >>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
> >> and
> >> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before
> it
> >> was sent to my home computer.
> >> Thanks
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From norman.weinfeld at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 09:11:24 2011
From: norman.weinfeld at gmail.com (Norman S. Weinfeld)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:11:24 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
1955 Jaguar XK140 DHC
Condition 2- Driver

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a
> list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                  Make                    Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Fri Jan 28 09:22:40 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:22:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <4D426CBC.1080902@sonic.net>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net><4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com><0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC><8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
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Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B526@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Here is my list of LBC possessions (they own me):

1961 MGA Coupe   Condition: 9
1963 Jag E Roadster       : 8 (bastard engine)
1971 MGBGT (Accident Victim being parted out and dissected)
1974 (early) MGB Roadster : 8

Frank and Candace


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just

one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist
of.
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the
cars
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model

> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974
9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.

> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted
it,
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 10:00:52 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:00:52 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Gianni and Julia LaRosa
San Rafael, Ca
1962 MGA MKII 1600

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: "Norman S. Weinfeld" <norman.weinfeld at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 16:11:24 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
1955 Jaguar XK140 DHC
Condition 2- Driver

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a
> list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.   
I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars  
and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                  Make                    Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Suggested annual donation  $11.47
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 10:10:50 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:10:50 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Oh, I guess my rosie is a 7 on the Richter Scale.

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: "Norman S. Weinfeld" <norman.weinfeld at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 16:11:24 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
1955 Jaguar XK140 DHC
Condition 2- Driver

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a
> list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.   
I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars  
and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                  Make                    Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 10:22:10 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:22:10 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Oh......, I guess my rosie is a 7 on the Richter Scale.

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: "Norman S. Weinfeld" <norman.weinfeld at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 16:11:24 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
1955 Jaguar XK140 DHC
Condition 2- Driver

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mitch.  1/2?   Holy crap.  You should talk to Dawson.  He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK.  So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody.  Or maybe a
> list has already been started?  An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways.  But that made me think.  There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc.  And I know little about
> British cars except I like them.  Well, I like some of them.
> Humm,  I think I might be over my head.
> Clif  74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                       Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>  Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.   
I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars  
and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                  Make                    Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 28 10:32:07 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:32:07 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <95C14A2B801A4F169D4D3BCE8163EC13@williamsonPC>
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Al & Diane Garber
San Francisco
1959 TR3A



"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: hawkview at sonic.net
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:08:15 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Thanks Mitch. 1/2? Holy crap. You should talk to Dawson. He seems to
> like basket cases.
> OK. So I guess the list has started.
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody. Or maybe a
> list has already been started? An Excel file works nice because it can be
> ordered in several ways. But that made me think. There are so many
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc. And I know little about
> British cars except I like them. Well, I like some of them.
> Humm, I think I might be over my head.
> Clif 74 Jensen Healey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Utsey
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5
> Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> > members there are. It would be nice to know what the group consist of. I
> > know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars
and
> > years would be nice. Maybe even condition.
> > Something like:
> > Make Model Year
> > Condition (1-10)
> > Clif and Deborah Jensen Healey Roadster 1974 9
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
> > Would somebody resend that email. I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
> > and
> > then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
> > was sent to my home computer.
> > Thanks
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From gonzosaurs at comcast.net  Fri Jan 28 10:36:34 2011
From: gonzosaurs at comcast.net (gonzosaurs at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:36:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <d7b0485c-56aa-4aee-8d01-d4bf645d284d@blur>
Message-ID: <893156999.15516.1296236194022.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

dan gonzalez, 
1968 TR-250 condition 7 
1973 TR-6 8 
- 
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS 

Gianni and Julia LaRosa 
San Rafael, Ca 
1962 MGA MKII 1600 

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless 

-----Original message----- 
From: "Norman S. Weinfeld" <norman.weinfeld at gmail.com> 
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net> 
Sent: 2011 Jan, Fri, 28 16:11:24 GMT+00:00 
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS 

Norm Weinfeld 
San Francisco 
1955 Jaguar XK140 DHC 
Condition 2- Driver 

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson < 
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote: 

> Thanks Mitch. 1/2? Holy crap. You should talk to Dawson. He seems to 
> like basket cases. 
> OK. So I guess the list has started. 
> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information. 
> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody. Or maybe a 
> list has already been started? An Excel file works nice because it can be 
> ordered in several ways. But that made me think. There are so many 
> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc. And I know little about 
> British cars except I like them. Well, I like some of them. 
> Humm, I think I might be over my head. 
> Clif 74 Jensen Healey 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Utsey 
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM 
> To: North Bay British Car Club 
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS 
> 
> Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5 
> Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson < 
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote: 
> 
> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many 
>> members there are. It would be nice to know what the group consist of. 
I 
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars 
and 
>> years would be nice. Maybe even condition. 
>> Something like: 
>> Make Model Year 
>> Condition (1-10) 
>> Clif and Deborah Jensen Healey Roadster 1974 9 
>> Just a thought. 
>> 
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale. 
>> Would somebody resend that email. I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, 
>> and 
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it 
>> was sent to my home computer. 
>> Thanks 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net 
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 11:00:39 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:00:39 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net><4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com><0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC>
	<8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <382E8DF522A74392B53F362869A9D910@Bonusroom>

Here are my LBCs;

1955 MG TF
1960 MGA Coupe
1967 MGB Roadster
1974 MGB GT

Andy

Rohnert Park

707 795 3480

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members

there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know 
maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years 
would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
Something like:
                                    Make                    Model       Year

Condition (1-10)
Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
Just a thought.

Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would

somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then 
when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was 
sent to my home computer.
Thanks
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From algarber at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 28 11:19:37 2011
From: algarber at hotmail.com (Al Garber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>, ,
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com><0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC><8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>,
	, <AANLkTimcFvtSgLy+KHmj1uP0M1GhOxZ-GNJHiMUv+wAx@mail.gmail.com>,
	, <95C14A2B801A4F169D4D3BCE8163EC13@williamsonPC>,
	<SNT139-w1259E5D0D7FE687A926572C3E10@phx.gbl>
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Condition...7



"San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
Kantner




> From: algarber at hotmail.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:32:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Al & Diane Garber
> San Francisco
> 1959 TR3A
>
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
> > From: hawkview at sonic.net
> > To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:08:15 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> >
> > Thanks Mitch. 1/2? Holy crap. You should talk to Dawson. He seems to
> > like basket cases.
> > OK. So I guess the list has started.
> > Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
> > I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody. Or maybe a
> > list has already been started? An Excel file works nice because it can be
> > ordered in several ways. But that made me think. There are so many
> > combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc. And I know little about
> > British cars except I like them. Well, I like some of them.
> > Humm, I think I might be over my head.
> > Clif 74 Jensen Healey
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitch Utsey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
> > To: North Bay British Car Club
> > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> >
> > Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5
> > Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> > hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> > > members there are. It would be nice to know what the group consist of.
I
> > > know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars
> and
> > > years would be nice. Maybe even condition.
> > > Something like:
> > > Make Model Year
> > > Condition (1-10)
> > > Clif and Deborah Jensen Healey Roadster 1974 9
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
> > > Would somebody resend that email. I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
> > > and
> > > then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before
it
> > > was sent to my home computer.
> > > Thanks
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From andrewdoran at berkeley.edu  Fri Jan 28 12:19:48 2011
From: andrewdoran at berkeley.edu (Andrew S. Doran)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:19:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <382E8DF522A74392B53F362869A9D910@Bonusroom>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net><4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com><AANLkTiktx1pLLDN-HayNFgEScexP71fJ8jriwkxPAxwP@mail.gmail.com><0A045F521429424696FA52A107F0B100@williamsonPC>
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	<382E8DF522A74392B53F362869A9D910@Bonusroom>
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Intending to join you in a couple of monthsb&finally driving

1979 Spitfire 1500

Andy, Richmond CA

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 12:50:50 2011
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:50:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <382E8DF522A74392B53F362869A9D910@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <833603.12980.qm@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

And here is mine.1966 Lotus Elan S3 CoupeRestoredBRG with Yellow racing
stripe
Sarto RocheleauCotati707-481-6700

--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:00 AM

Here are my LBCs;

1955 MG TF
1960 MGA Coupe
1967 MGB Roadster
1974 MGB GT

Andy

Rohnert Park

707 795 3480

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members

there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know
maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years
would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
Something like:
                                    Make                    Model       Year

Condition (1-10)
Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
Just a thought.

Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would

somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then
when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was
sent to my home computer.
Thanks
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From ldc1940 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 12:54:41 2011
From: ldc1940 at gmail.com (Leroy Churches)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <8BCCEF130B264DABA3126D0D7F26A7D7@williamsonPC>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net> <4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com>
	<58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC>
	<4D34CF73.2060902@gmail.com>
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LeRoy Churches
!976  MG, Midger special   8 !/2 [?]
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                   Make                    Model       Year
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and
> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
> was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 13:10:02 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:10:02 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <833603.12980.qm@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <mailman.31.1296245394.23293.nobbc@autox.team.net>

Address where garaged, location of keys, and hours unattended? ;-)
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:50:50 
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

And here is mine.1966 Lotus Elan S3 CoupeRestoredBRG with Yellow racing
stripe
Sarto RocheleauCotati707-481-6700

--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:00 AM

Here are my LBCs;

1955 MG TF
1960 MGA Coupe
1967 MGB Roadster
1974 MGB GT

Andy

Rohnert Park

707 795 3480

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members

there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know
maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years
would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
Something like:
                                    Make                    Model       Year

Condition (1-10)
Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
Just a thought.

Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would

somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then
when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was
sent to my home computer.
Thanks
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From jamesechristian at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 14:08:02 2011
From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:08:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Jim Christian    Jaguar XKE Roadster, 1968    8
________________________________
From: Clif & Deborah Williamson
<hawkview at sonic.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:06:14 PM
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members
there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know maybe
there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years would be
nice.  Maybe even condition.
Something like:
                                 
Make                    Model      Year 
Condition (1-10)
Clif and Deborah 
Jensen Healey        Roadster    1974              9
Just a thought.

Also,
somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would
somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then
when 
syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was sent
to my 
home computer.
Thanks
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From markdarley at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 14:19:13 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:19:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] City and car listing.
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OK I held back for as long as I could....As  an owner of a British Car  
to others with the same affliction, and at the risk of being  
asphyxiated by the exhaust from angry Yanks at our next meet, I  
thought I should point out that there is in fact only one "City".  All  
others are impostors!

> the City,
> the commercial and financial area of London, England.

And for those who doubt me, The Tower is close by.
God Save the Queen!

As for my LBC: It is a 1957 MGA Roadster.
I will leave you to rank it. I don't want to provoke the gods.   
Definitely a " driver" not a trailer queen.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:10 PM, gtwincams at gmail.com wrote:

> Address where garaged, location of keys, and hours unattended? ;-)
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:50:50
> To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> And here is mine.1966 Lotus Elan S3 CoupeRestoredBRG with Yellow  
> racing
> stripe
> Sarto RocheleauCotati707-481-6700
>
> --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:00 AM
>
> Here are my LBCs;
>
> 1955 MG TF
> 1960 MGA Coupe
> 1967 MGB Roadster
> 1974 MGB GT
>
> Andy
>
> Rohnert Park
>
> 707 795 3480
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many  
> members
>
> there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I  
> know
> maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars  
> and years
> would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                     
> Model       Year
>
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster     
> 1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for  
> sale.  Would
>
> somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,  
> and then
> when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it  
> was
> sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From sonomashoe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 14:40:39 2011
From: sonomashoe at gmail.com (William Shoemaker)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <13851.21756.qm@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Bill Shoemaker Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas, 1990
                           JaguarXJ6 Sovereign, 1992 ...both every day 
drivers

On 1/28/2011 1:08 PM, Jim Christian wrote:
> Jim Christian    Jaguar XKE Roadster, 1968    8
> ________________________________
> From: Clif&  Deborah Williamson
> <hawkview at sonic.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:06:14 PM
> Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many members
> there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know maybe
> there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years would be
> nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>
> Make                    Model      Year
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah
> Jensen Healey        Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also,
> somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would
> somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and then
> when
> syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was sent
> to my
> home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From mewgull at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 14:56:30 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:56:30 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Gerry Mugele
Glen Ellen, CA

1995 Land Rover D90 SW      uh.... driver
1967 TR4-A                           restoration underway

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 15:19:46 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:19:46 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members 
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really 
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)

From BAugustine at harvestinn.com  Fri Jan 28 15:35:16 2011
From: BAugustine at harvestinn.com (Brandon Augustine)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:35:16 -0600
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Brandon Augustine(Napa)  -  1967 MG  -  MGB Roadster (RED)  -  ?




-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Mitch Utsey
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 8:53 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
                        Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2




On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I
> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and
> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                   Make                    Model       Year
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
and
> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it
> was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From wbain at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 15:28:05 2011
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:28:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Wendell Bain	Morgan Plus 4		1959	9
				HRG 1100 Roadster 	1947	7
				Fiat 124 Spider		1974	6


On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Mitch Utsey wrote:

> Mitch Utsey      Triumph     Spitfire     1970     5
>                         Triumph     Spitfire      1965    1/2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group  
>> consist of.  I
>> know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the  
>> cars and
>> years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
>> Something like:
>>                                   Make                     
>> Model       Year
>> Condition (1-10)
>> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster     
>> 1974              9
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>>  Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and  
>> deleted it, and
>> then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider  
>> before it
>> was sent to my home computer.
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From mvg1 at att.net  Fri Jan 28 16:27:48 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:27:48 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
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	<AANLkTimcFvtSgLy+KHmj1uP0M1GhOxZ-GNJHiMUv+wAx@mail.gmail.com>,
	<95C14A2B801A4F169D4D3BCE8163EC13@williamsonPC>
	<SNT139-w1259E5D0D7FE687A926572C3E10@phx.gbl>
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Michael Gianandrea
Petaluma    64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS


> Al & Diane Garber
> San Francisco
> 1959 TR3A
>
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
>> From: hawkview at sonic.net
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:08:15 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>>
>> Thanks Mitch. 1/2? Holy crap. You should talk to Dawson. He seems to
>> like basket cases.
>> OK. So I guess the list has started.
>> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
>> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody. Or maybe a
>> list has already been started? An Excel file works nice because it can be
>> ordered in several ways. But that made me think. There are so many
>> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc. And I know little about
>> British cars except I like them. Well, I like some of them.
>> Humm, I think I might be over my head.
>> Clif 74 Jensen Healey
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mitch Utsey
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>>
>> Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5
>> Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
>> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> > members there are. It would be nice to know what the group consist of. 
>> > I
>> > know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars
> and
>> > years would be nice. Maybe even condition.
>> > Something like:
>> > Make Model Year
>> > Condition (1-10)
>> > Clif and Deborah Jensen Healey Roadster 1974 9
>> > Just a thought.
>> >
>> > Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>> > Would somebody resend that email. I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> > and
>> > then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before 
>> > it
>> > was sent to my home computer.
>> > Thanks
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 17:10:40 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:10:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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I'll split the difference and put you down for 5's.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:44:41 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:44:41 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Don't judge me man! This ain't a concours club, it's a driving club. Ratings are too subjective, and ours aren't no lowdown fives. Leave the ratings out, if you please, Clif.
Greg
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

I'll split the difference and put you down for 5's.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 18:11:43 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:11:43 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Re other cars not NOBBC.  Should these be included.  I think not, but will 
add them if most want.  Need some input on this.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 18:25:28 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:25:28 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] City and car listing.
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Nope.  Everybody has to rank their own cars.  Unless somebody you trust 
wants to give it a rating.
Some are rating their cars, other not.  Not a big deal either way.  Just 
fun.
Clif

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Darley
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:19 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] City and car listing.

OK I held back for as long as I could....As  an owner of a British Car
to others with the same affliction, and at the risk of being
asphyxiated by the exhaust from angry Yanks at our next meet, I
thought I should point out that there is in fact only one "City".  All
others are impostors!

> the City,
> the commercial and financial area of London, England.

And for those who doubt me, The Tower is close by.
God Save the Queen!

As for my LBC: It is a 1957 MGA Roadster.
I will leave you to rank it. I don't want to provoke the gods.
Definitely a " driver" not a trailer queen.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:10 PM, gtwincams at gmail.com wrote:

> Address where garaged, location of keys, and hours unattended? ;-)
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:50:50
> To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> And here is mine.1966 Lotus Elan S3 CoupeRestoredBRG with Yellow  racing
> stripe
> Sarto RocheleauCotati707-481-6700
>
> --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: Andy Preston <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:00 AM
>
> Here are my LBCs;
>
> 1955 MG TF
> 1960 MGA Coupe
> 1967 MGB Roadster
> 1974 MGB GT
>
> Andy
>
> Rohnert Park
>
> 707 795 3480
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ] 
> On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many 
> members
>
> there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I  know
> maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars  and 
> years
> would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                     Model 
> Year
>
> Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster     1974              9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for  sale. 
> Would
>
> somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,  and 
> then
> when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it  was
> sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 18:35:37 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:35:37 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Clif,
My vote is no; not really on topic or that interesting to catalog our Toyota truck or FJ, I'd say. Although maybe our MINI JCW - it's got some British in it...
Cheers,
Greg
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:11:43 
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Re other cars not NOBBC.  Should these be included.  I think not, but will 
add them if most want.  Need some input on this.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 18:57:25 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:57:25 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Details on Bastard Engine?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Here is my list of LBC possessions (they own me):

1961 MGA Coupe   Condition: 9
1963 Jag E Roadster       : 8 (bastard engine)
1971 MGBGT (Accident Victim being parted out and dissected)
1974 (early) MGB Roadster : 8

Frank and Candace


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just

one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist
of.
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the
cars
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model

> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974
9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.

> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted
it,
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
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From norman.weinfeld at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 19:01:38 2011
From: norman.weinfeld at gmail.com (Norman S. Weinfeld)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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What about my '56 Imperial? The XK parks in its trunk sometimes...

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:35 PM, <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

> Clif,
> My vote is no; not really on topic or that interesting to catalog our
> Toyota truck or FJ, I'd say. Although maybe our MINI JCW - it's got some
> British in it...
> Cheers,
> Greg
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:11:43
> To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Re other cars not NOBBC.  Should these be included.  I think not, but will
> add them if most want.  Need some input on this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
>  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
> as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
> know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.
>
> My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)
>
> Greg Tatarian
> 1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
> 1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
> 1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 19:17:34 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:17:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Relax Greg.  I was just kidding.  I thought you were as well.  I have no 
idea what condition your cars are in nor any others.  Ratings are 
subjective, except to the owner.  If you think your cars are 11's, then 
that's what you think.  No problem.  But it doesn't fall in the range.
In your case, and anybody that didn't rate their car, I did leave it out. 
Along with the city.
This is just for fun, and also what might be a good source if you have a 
need, or can supply a resource.  I have been keeping emails that make shop 
recommendations just in case I need some work done.

Just trying to help.
Clif 1974 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: gtwincams at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:44 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Don't judge me man! This ain't a concours club, it's a driving club. Ratings 
are too subjective, and ours aren't no lowdown fives. Leave the ratings out, 
if you please, Clif.
Greg
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:10:40
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

I'll split the difference and put you down for 5's.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 19:28:20 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:28:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl>
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OK.
So far there are 41 cars on the list with 24 club members.  MG's seem to 
dominate, with TR's right behind.
If anybody would like this list and can take a Excel file please send me 
your email address and I attach.
Clif   74 JH

From lgardini at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 28 19:39:54 2011
From: lgardini at sbcglobal.net (lgardini at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:39:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [californiamelee] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interest?
Message-ID: <95374.16239.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Any of you Jensen Lovers interested in another or maybe someone that does
not have a car to put on Clif's list may be interested.

 

Larry Gardini

 

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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:37 PM
To: californiamelee at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [californiamelee] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interest?

 

  

Howdy Folks,

 

Earlier this week the brother of my next door neighbor came over to ask if I
could help start a car in their garage. The car turned out to be a 1974
(might be a 72 but I didn't check the VIN to verify) Jensen-Healey that one
of their other siblings (now in South Dakota) bought years ago with a
salvage title and fixed up. The family is looking to get rid of the car to
get their garage back and I'm looking to not get killed by my girlfriend for
coming home with another automotive stray. Anybody interested? You can find
some quick pics I took here:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffplumtree/sets/72157625926829452/

 

And I can take more upon request.

 

We weren't able to start the car because while it did turn over the electric
fuel pump mounted in the trunk was not functioning. Title says "Salvaged"
but we have no info on why. Trunk and interior floor pan were covered in a
Rhino-liner type material by the current owner and there are two sets of
wheels as well as a hard top which apparently doesn't fit too well. The
paint under the dust looks smooth and bright and the underbody looked clean
as well and was apparently all done since purchase in 2002 (I think...I
didn't write all the dates down). The odometer says 87K as does the title.
While researching the car I was surprised at the low production numbers-3356
MKI's and 7142 MKII's if wikipedia is to be trusted. 

 

I don't believe my neighbors have a price in mind and in the interest of
neighborly relations (and love of classics) I told them I'd help them peddle
the car around. Shoot me an email if you'd like more info. Funny, when I
moved in 3 years ago I thought I was the coolest kid on the block with 2
classic Minis and a Series III Land Rover. Then I discover that my neighbor
across the street has a Fiat 124 Spider in his garage, a gentleman I met on
last year's Snowball lives a block away with several old Mercs and a
Porsche, and now my next door neighbor with this J-H. We're everywhere!!!!
Muhahahahaha!

 

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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 19:51:39 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 02:51:39 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Just yanking your chain, Clif, but forgot to add a winky face! We tend to kid a bit in this group from time to time. Though the spark of my kidding is that self ratings aren't the most objective, so not sure they mean much in the final product.
Now where did I put that car polish?
Cheers,
Greg  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:17:34 
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Relax Greg.  I was just kidding.  I thought you were as well.  I have no 
idea what condition your cars are in nor any others.  Ratings are 
subjective, except to the owner.  If you think your cars are 11's, then 
that's what you think.  No problem.  But it doesn't fall in the range.
In your case, and anybody that didn't rate their car, I did leave it out. 
Along with the city.
This is just for fun, and also what might be a good source if you have a 
need, or can supply a resource.  I have been keeping emails that make shop 
recommendations just in case I need some work done.

Just trying to help.
Clif 1974 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: gtwincams at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:44 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Don't judge me man! This ain't a concours club, it's a driving club. Ratings 
are too subjective, and ours aren't no lowdown fives. Leave the ratings out, 
if you please, Clif.
Greg
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:10:40
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

I'll split the difference and put you down for 5's.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

  Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.

My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)

Greg Tatarian
1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Fri Jan 28 20:08:06 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Regarding ratings...it is all subjective. Was there a floating scale?

----- Original Message -----
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To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jan 28 15:27:48 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Michael Gianandrea
Petaluma    64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Garber" <algarber at hotmail.com>
To: "NOBBCC" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS


> Al & Diane Garber
> San Francisco
> 1959 TR3A
>
>
>
> "San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality" ........... Paul
> Kantner
>
>
>
>
>> From: hawkview at sonic.net
>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
>> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:08:15 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>>
>> Thanks Mitch. 1/2? Holy crap. You should talk to Dawson. He seems to
>> like basket cases.
>> OK. So I guess the list has started.
>> Anybody have any more details that they think would be good information.
>> I can put this into an Excel file if that works for everybody. Or maybe a
>> list has already been started? An Excel file works nice because it can be
>> ordered in several ways. But that made me think. There are so many
>> combinations...MGA, MGB, MGB-GT, MG Midget, etc. And I know little about
>> British cars except I like them. Well, I like some of them.
>> Humm, I think I might be over my head.
>> Clif 74 Jensen Healey
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mitch Utsey
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:53 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>>
>> Mitch Utsey Triumph Spitfire 1970 5
>> Triumph Spitfire 1965 1/2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson <
>> hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
>> > members there are. It would be nice to know what the group consist of.
>> > I
>> > know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars
> and
>> > years would be nice. Maybe even condition.
>> > Something like:
>> > Make Model Year
>> > Condition (1-10)
>> > Clif and Deborah Jensen Healey Roadster 1974 9
>> > Just a thought.
>> >
>> > Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.
>> > Would somebody resend that email. I got it on my ipod, and deleted it,
>> > and
>> > then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before
>> > it
>> > was sent to my home computer.
>> > Thanks
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 20:30:11 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:30:11 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Rating on a curve??

On 1/28/2011 7:08 PM, Frank Morris wrote:
> Regarding ratings...it is all subjective. Was there a floating scale?

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 20:34:35 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:34:35 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
Message-ID: <4D438ACB.1050407@gmail.com>

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2169485166.html

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian

From hawkview at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 21:21:35 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:21:35 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [californiamelee] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interest?
In-Reply-To: <95374.16239.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Are you talking Healey or Interceptor?


-----Original Message----- 
From: lgardini at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:39 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [californiamelee] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interest?

Any of you Jensen Lovers interested in another or maybe someone that does
not have a car to put on Clif's list may be interested.



Larry Gardini



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[mailto:californiamelee at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Li
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:37 PM
To: californiamelee at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [californiamelee] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interest?





Howdy Folks,



Earlier this week the brother of my next door neighbor came over to ask if I
could help start a car in their garage. The car turned out to be a 1974
(might be a 72 but I didn't check the VIN to verify) Jensen-Healey that one
of their other siblings (now in South Dakota) bought years ago with a
salvage title and fixed up. The family is looking to get rid of the car to
get their garage back and I'm looking to not get killed by my girlfriend for
coming home with another automotive stray. Anybody interested? You can find
some quick pics I took here:



http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffplumtree/sets/72157625926829452/



And I can take more upon request.



We weren't able to start the car because while it did turn over the electric
fuel pump mounted in the trunk was not functioning. Title says "Salvaged"
but we have no info on why. Trunk and interior floor pan were covered in a
Rhino-liner type material by the current owner and there are two sets of
wheels as well as a hard top which apparently doesn't fit too well. The
paint under the dust looks smooth and bright and the underbody looked clean
as well and was apparently all done since purchase in 2002 (I think...I
didn't write all the dates down). The odometer says 87K as does the title.
While researching the car I was surprised at the low production numbers-3356
MKI's and 7142 MKII's if wikipedia is to be trusted.



I don't believe my neighbors have a price in mind and in the interest of
neighborly relations (and love of classics) I told them I'd help them peddle
the car around. Shoot me an email if you'd like more info. Funny, when I
moved in 3 years ago I thought I was the coolest kid on the block with 2
classic Minis and a Series III Land Rover. Then I discover that my neighbor
across the street has a Fiat 124 Spider in his garage, a gentleman I met on
last year's Snowball lives a block away with several old Mercs and a
Porsche, and now my next door neighbor with this J-H. We're everywhere!!!!
Muhahahahaha!



Jeff

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From nobbc at sonic.net  Fri Jan 28 21:28:37 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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I can think of a few curves (and hills) we could rate our cars on. Only 
curve MY car would excel on ;-0

Ron
58 MGA

Greg Tatarian wrote:
> Rating on a curve??
> 
> On 1/28/2011 7:08 PM, Frank Morris wrote:
> 
>> Regarding ratings...it is all subjective. Was there a floating scale?
> 
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Fri Jan 28 21:34:05 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:34:05 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Pontiac 6 ohc rare in itself but not jaguar. Body and interior is great. I
have a 4.2 l in garage

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jan 28 17:57:25 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Details on Bastard Engine?

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Here is my list of LBC possessions (they own me):

1961 MGA Coupe   Condition: 9
1963 Jag E Roadster       : 8 (bastard engine)
1971 MGBGT (Accident Victim being parted out and dissected)
1974 (early) MGB Roadster : 8

Frank and Candace


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just

one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist
of.
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the
cars
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model

> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974
9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.

> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted
it,
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
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From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 21:55:09 2011
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:55:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <380D0B14784D4576AC4351A948A39088@williamsonPC>
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sarto477 at yahoo.comGlad to see the info is being organized.  Helps me connect a
name with a car or cars and then the faces of drivers and passengers.  If the
group also happens to drive or have other nonbrit cars in their stable, that
should be mentioned as it could stimulate conversations.  I'll pass on the
self rating. Sarto
--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Clif & Deborah Williamson <hawkview at sonic.net> wrote:

From: Clif & Deborah Williamson <hawkview at sonic.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 6:28 PM

OK.
So far there are 41 cars on the list with 24 club members.  MG's seem to
dominate, with TR's right behind.
If anybody would like this list and can take a Excel file please send me your
email address and I attach.
Clif   74 JH
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 21:55:13 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Yeah, Baby!

------Original Message------
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Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
To: North Bay British Car Club
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
Sent: Jan 28, 2011 8:28 PM

I can think of a few curves (and hills) we could rate our cars on. Only 
curve MY car would excel on ;-0

Ron
58 MGA

Greg Tatarian wrote:
> Rating on a curve??
> 
> On 1/28/2011 7:08 PM, Frank Morris wrote:
> 
>> Regarding ratings...it is all subjective. Was there a floating scale?
> 
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From don at napanet.net  Fri Jan 28 21:47:54 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:47:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: Chuckle of the day: Siamese twins walk into a bar
Message-ID: <20110129044812.31016B0F5E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

>Siamese twins walk into a bar...
>
>
>
>Siamese twins walk into a bar in Canada and park themselves on a bar stool..
>
>One of them says to the bartender, "Don't mind us; we're joined at 
>the hip. I'm John, he's Jim . Two Molson Canadian beers, draft please."
>
>The bartender, feeling slightly awkward, tries to make polite 
>conversation while pouring the beers. "Been on holiday yet, lads?"
>
>"Off to England next month," says John. "We go to England every 
>year, rent a car and drive for miles. Don't we, Jim ?" Jim agrees.
>
>"Ah, England !" says the bartender. "Wonderful country... the 
>history, the beer, the culture..."
>
>"Nah, we don't like that British crap," says John. "Hamburgers and 
>Molson's beer, that's us, eh Jim ? And we can't stand the English - 
>they're so arrogant and rude."
>
>"So why keep going to England ?" asks the bartender.
>
>"It's the only chance Jim gets to drive."

From liamof at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 28 22:03:12 2011
From: liamof at earthlink.net (Liam O'Flaherty)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:03:12 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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My little british cars (lbc's)  consist of:
56 mga ( engine rebuild in process)
60 Austin Healey Sprite  runs but needs some love
59 Austin Healey Sprite Stripped down and in body work
well that all I have time for.
Liam

On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Re other cars not NOBBC.  Should these be included.  I think not, but will
add them if most want.  Need some input on this.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:19 PM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Not sure how complete your list will be, as we have about 160 members
> as Ron said, yet a relatively few join us on drives, so we don't really
> know what cars they may have, or plan to obtain.
>
> My cars are all "11s"! At least through my rose-colored glasses... ;-)
>
> Greg Tatarian
> 1974 Triumph TR6 - being sold on in the Spring, I'm afraid
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
> 1967 Lotus Elan S3 SE FHC
> 1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000 (hey, what's that doing here?)
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From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 23:02:54 2011
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:02:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Marin Sonoma Concours - Lotus Contact
Message-ID: <584570.44378.qm@web113515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For change of subject----Hi, I got a call today from Alan Spencer from Wheels.
  http://www.wheels-cars-for-film.com/
He is helping out with this years Marin.Sonoma Concours and need a Lotus
contact.  He has not heard back from GGLC and was hoping I could get enough
Lotuses to create a Lotus section.  I think he said 8+ cars.  I will call Pete
Herly to get more info.Alan said that he has already spoken to Wendel and
others in (Nobbc)  Mike Ostrov will probably want to attend and we have enough
just in our area to fill his needs.  Any thoughts??  I'll see if I can get the
info out through GGLC.  The event will be in May and they are
featuring British cars.  He also said that he has made contact the other
British car clubs with success.  MGs, Triumph etc.
Sounds like an event not to miss. Sarto
--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Alan and Paula Spencer <jinger at pacbell.net> wrote:

From: Alan and Paula Spencer <jinger at pacbell.net>
Subject: Marin Sonoma Concours - Lotus Contact
To: sarto477 at yahoo.com
Cc: Peteherl at aol.com
Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:59 PM

Sarto,
 
As we discussed this afternoon, Pete Herley has so far been
unsuccessful in getting a response from the local Lotus club.  If you're able
to help him, he'd really appreciate it.  His phone # is 454 5611.  Thanks!
 
Alan Spencer
Wheels
415 457 3721
www.wheels-cars-for-film.com

From sirplb at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 11:59:59 2011
From: sirplb at aol.com (sirplb at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:59:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Patrick Brockway


74 Jensen Healey

From mvg1 at att.net  Sat Jan 29 13:10:37 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:10:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net><AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com><2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC><AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com><83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur><001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>,
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	<380D0B14784D4576AC4351A948A39088@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>

Hi Cliff,

I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the rides, but 
I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members and vehicles that 
we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do have a final list, 
(Those with multiple cars should bring pics and descritions to display) I 
think it would be fun to have one big get togther somewhere, a picnic, wine 
tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot of work, probably impossible to do, but 
it sure would be a hoot.

P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List


> OK.
> So far there are 41 cars on the list with 24 club members.  MG's seem to 
> dominate, with TR's right behind.
> If anybody would like this list and can take a Excel file please send me 
> your email address and I attach.
> Clif   74 JH
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jan 29 13:35:42 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:35:42 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>
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	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
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	<5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>
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Me too.
Your idea sound great to me.  I am sure there are several wineries that 
would love to host such an event and have parking that could support us. 
But it would take somebody (like you maybe) to get it going.
Clif
74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:10 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Car List

Hi Cliff,

I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the rides, but
I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members and vehicles that
we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do have a final list,
(Those with multiple cars should bring pics and descritions to display) I
think it would be fun to have one big get togther somewhere, a picnic, wine
tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot of work, probably impossible to do, but
it sure would be a hoot.

P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List


> OK.
> So far there are 41 cars on the list with 24 club members.  MG's seem to 
> dominate, with TR's right behind.
> If anybody would like this list and can take a Excel file please send me 
> your email address and I attach.
> Clif   74 JH
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From bluesson at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 29 13:40:18 2011
From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:40:18 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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Tom Reier (who never shows up): 2000 Grinnall Scorpion III (photo attached)
and plain old stock 2007 Mini Cooper S in all pepper white.

> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:40:39 -0800
> From: sonomashoe at gmail.com
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] [SPAM] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
>
> Bill Shoemaker Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas, 1990
>                            JaguarXJ6 Sovereign, 1992 ...both every day
> drivers
>
> On 1/28/2011 1:08 PM, Jim Christian wrote:
> > Jim Christian    Jaguar XKE Roadster, 1968    8
> > ________________________________
> > From: Clif&  Deborah Williamson
> > <hawkview at sonic.net>
> > To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:06:14 PM
> > Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
> > Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
members
> > there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist of.  I know
maybe
> > there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the cars and years
would be
> > nice.  Maybe even condition.
> > Something like:
> >
> > Make                    Model      Year
> > Condition (1-10)
> > Clif and Deborah
> > Jensen Healey        Roadster    1974              9
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Also,
> > somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.  Would
> > somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted it, and
then
> > when
> > syncing took place it was gone from my email provider before it was sent
> > to my
> > home computer.
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From bl.thompson at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 14:44:50 2011
From: bl.thompson at sbcglobal.net (Bob Thompson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:44:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list
Message-ID: <686739.91813.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

63 Sunbeam Alpine here, maybe a 5 (drivable, but not preaty).

From CullivanCats at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 15:27:42 2011
From: CullivanCats at aol.com (CullivanCats at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:27:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list
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Phil and Margee Cullivan
 
Triumph GT6+  1970  4
Triumph Spitfire 1973  .3   Anybody got a spare  engine?

From mitch.utsey at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 16:35:29 2011
From: mitch.utsey at gmail.com (Mitch Utsey)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:35:29 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list
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I"ve got an 1149 you are welcome to...

-Mitch

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, <CullivanCats at aol.com> wrote:

> Phil and Margee Cullivan
>
> Triumph GT6+  1970  4
> Triumph Spitfire 1973  .3   Anybody got a spare  engine?
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jan 29 17:39:20 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:39:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list
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	<AANLkTinXAmhVaO3NmW+6uuUgsm+CnvpUgwHt7SG7uwa6@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow.  See what a little information can do for you...maybe?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mitch Utsey
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:35 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list

I"ve got an 1149 you are welcome to...

-Mitch

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, <CullivanCats at aol.com> wrote:

> Phil and Margee Cullivan
>
> Triumph GT6+  1970  4
> Triumph Spitfire 1973  .3   Anybody got a spare  engine?
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 17:44:19 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:44:19 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
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I've always loved the TR4A and this one looks real nice and the color is
beautiful.  Where would it go and would the MGs get upset?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:35 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2169485166.html

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 17:46:09 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:46:09 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B53E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B53E@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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Frank what do you mean by bastard engine in your 63 E type?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:34 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Pontiac 6 ohc rare in itself but not jaguar. Body and interior is great. I
have a 4.2 l in garage

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jan 28 17:57:25 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Details on Bastard Engine?

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Here is my list of LBC possessions (they own me):

1961 MGA Coupe   Condition: 9
1963 Jag E Roadster       : 8 (bastard engine)
1971 MGBGT (Accident Victim being parted out and dissected)
1974 (early) MGB Roadster : 8

Frank and Candace


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just

one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist
of.
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the
cars
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model

> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974
9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.

> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted
it,
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:16:01 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
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Andy,
I think diversity is good, and any car one is passionate about is the right car. There is much insight to be gained by owning more than one marque, and the TR4A has a distinct personality from any MG. You're not the type to neglect any of your cars, and life is short, so why not check it out? I have a friend who rents garage space in Fulton...
Greg
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:44:19 
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'<nobbc at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?

I've always loved the TR4A and this one looks real nice and the color is
beautiful.  Where would it go and would the MGs get upset?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:35 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2169485166.html

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jan 29 18:16:57 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS
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I'm referring tob the Pontiac transplant...bastardization of the jag lineage.
Original was a 3.8 L triple carb. Beautiful engines. No offense to your MGTF w
the Volvo! Dependability is priceless.
I have an 1800 cc engine in the MGA coupe.
Frank

----- Original Message -----
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To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jan 29 16:46:09 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Frank what do you mean by bastard engine in your 63 E type?

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:34 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Pontiac 6 ohc rare in itself but not jaguar. Body and interior is great. I
have a 4.2 l in garage

----- Original Message -----
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To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jan 28 17:57:25 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Details on Bastard Engine?

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Morris
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Here is my list of LBC possessions (they own me):

1961 MGA Coupe   Condition: 9
1963 Jag E Roadster       : 8 (bastard engine)
1971 MGBGT (Accident Victim being parted out and dissected)
1974 (early) MGB Roadster : 8

Frank and Candace


-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:14 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] NOBBC LIST OF CARS

Well, there are 161 Nobbc members on the roster owning an eclectic
variety of British Cars. Quite a few own more than one type. I have just

one but it gets a lot of use!

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Does anybody have a list of cars owned by NOBBC members and how many
> members there are.  It would be nice to know what the group consist
of.
> I know maybe there are a few who want to be anonymous, but just the
cars
> and years would be nice.  Maybe even condition.
> Something like:
>                                    Make                    Model

> Year Condition (1-10)
> Clif and Deborah   Jensen Healey         Roadster    1974
9
> Just a thought.
>
> Also, somebody recently indicated that they had a 74 MGB-GT for sale.

> Would somebody resend that email.  I got it on my ipod, and deleted
it,
> and then when syncing took place it was gone from my email provider
> before it was sent to my home computer.
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:58:20 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:58:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>
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	<380D0B14784D4576AC4351A948A39088@williamsonPC>
	<5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>
Message-ID: <4D44C5BC.60301@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,
A couple of years ago, John Kenner and Ron Wheeler co-hosted a picnic at 
the parklands behind Ron's shop. John arranged and paid for a lot of BBQ 
chicken and sausages, and the attendees brought side dishes. John 
recruited his buddy, Steve, and yes, it is a lot of work, but was a 
really nice day. There was a short drive beforehand, with the BBQ and 
chatting being the central focus.
As you know, I held a tech session/potluck BBQ at our house last year, 
and a tech session at JNW Engine the year before with food I bought and 
attendees chipped in to pay for, as well as other tech sessions with 
food and drinks both at our house and at John's.
Dawson has hosted I think 2 Valentine's Day drives, with coffee and 
pastries and visiting before the drive, and last year's event included a 
stop at a winery for tasting. Dawson is kindly hosting another next month.
You yourself tried to arrange a day at Infineon, after the one you and 
Tim Thresh successfully arranged, which was well attended.
A few years ago, Andy hosted a pre-drive coffee/pastry/chat session. 
I've probably forgotten some similar events and contributors without 
intent to do so.
So, not impossible, but it does take one person who can line up the 
necessary location, supplies, and helpers, set the date, and do most of 
the work. We have lots of members, so hopefully another one of us will 
get inspired to host an event. I'm in favor of trying to get a more 
centralized location to attract more of our southern members, along with 
our regular friends.
Thanks to Clif for jumping in to put together a list of members' cars - 
hopefully the dataset will fill out as more members respond. Clif, 
please send me the list when you've finished compiling it.
Trish and I took the maiden drive yesterday in our new 1967 Elan S3 
Coupe SE (Special Equipment). It's mostly original, and has seen regular 
use, but needs to be updated and serviced. I'm struggling with the 
direction to take; keep it pretty much as-is, or do sympathetic upgrades 
as I have with the S4 drophead coupe. The S3 is more elegant in 
appearance, but feels more primitive than the S4, and is not as 
high-performance, or as well-restored. Trish and I are going to enjoy 
driving it a bit before I tackle the small fiberglass repair it needs 
near the headlight, but there are other things that I will have to 
decide whether they add to or take away from the classic character of 
the car. For example, it needs a new dash; do I stay with the standard 
walnut veneer, or choose a non-standard burl, or different wood? Change 
the original carpets? I don't want to lose the original character of the 
car, but do like my cars looking sharp.
To those who will be attending Dawson's drive - let me know what you 
think when you see the car, OK?
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian




On 1/29/2011 12:10 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the 
> rides, but I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members 
> and vehicles that we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do 
> have a final list, (Those with multiple cars should bring pics and 
> descritions to display) I think it would be fun to have one big get 
> togther somewhere, a picnic, wine tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot 
> of work, probably impossible to do, but it sure would be a hoot.
>
> P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> -

From davidwi at sonic.net  Sat Jan 29 20:07:51 2011
From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:07:51 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] 1974 Jensen-Healey-any interested?
Message-ID: <01d801cbc02a$e1b62080$a5226180$@sonic.net>

That JH looks like a very good and fairly easy project for anyone
interested.  Can't see the interior but the paint looks ready to go, the
engine bay is very tidy and original and unless the engine is trashed, all
it may take is carb rebuilds and a battery.  Probably a good deal.   *I*
can't because I value my marriage. But I suppose if it went cheap
enough......mmm, I wonder if I traded it for my parts car, would she notice?
The salvage title totally depends.  If it's fairly recent, even a little
fender bender or deer strike could cause the insurance company to total it.
YMMV.

David
74 Jensen Healey     #19377   'Dahlia'
Sebastopol, CA, USA
LotsaParts

From lgardini at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 11:14:35 2011
From: lgardini at sbcglobal.net (lgardini at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:14:35 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
Message-ID: <221495.56174.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

1973 TR6 --4

1959 TR3-- 2

1967 Spitfire-1-4 sale

1975 Spitfire with a Buick V6-1-4 sale

Larry Gardini Sebastopol CA

From CullivanCats at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 12:47:14 2011
From: CullivanCats at aol.com (CullivanCats at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:47:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] (Nobbc) Car list
Message-ID: <e518.71292cdd.3a771a42@aol.com>

Thanks for the offer.  It needs a 1500 cc engine.
 
Phil
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2011 3:54:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mitch.utsey at gmail.com writes:

I"ve got  an 1149 you are welcome to...

-Mitch

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at  2:27 PM, <CullivanCats at aol.com> wrote:

> Phil and Margee  Cullivan
>
> Triumph GT6+  1970  4
> Triumph  Spitfire 1973  .3   Anybody got a spare  engine?
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From don at napanet.net  Sun Jan 30 12:47:34 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:47:34 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: Motorhead 101 - Why I love the Brits!!! example #213
Message-ID: <20110130194800.76E43B05D7@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

>I just received this from Rick Feibusch.  Give it a viewing; 
>guaranteed to generate a chuckle.  (Those who have been into British 
>cars for the long haul in CA know Rick as the originator of the 
>British car shows, and being the head of the Morris Minor Club in 
>the Bay Area.)
>
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVAVdqyt-A&feature=related>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVAVdqyt-A&feature=related
>
>A true British motorhead answer to global climate change - The 
>wisdom of age.........
>
>Best,
>
>Rick Feibisch
>Venice, CA

From gsb1159 at pacbell.net  Sun Jan 30 13:41:06 2011
From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:41:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
Message-ID: <300033.19886.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

1959 AC Aceca - condition 8
 
Greg Badano

 

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 16:13:10 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:13:10 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: Motorhead 101 - Why I love the Brits!!! example
 #213
In-Reply-To: <20110130194800.76E43B05D7@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20110130194800.76E43B05D7@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4D45F086.2080305@gmail.com>

Wonderful, Don! I saw it coming, but it was still really funny. Looks 
like a locked rear end and a bit of massaged engine...
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian

From sdivad at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 18:15:36 2011
From: sdivad at comcast.net (David Stanfield)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:15:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
Message-ID: <004201cbc0e4$5e4aada0$1ae008e0$@net>

'77 MGB RD

From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 19:11:58 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:11:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <4D44C5BC.60301@gmail.com>
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
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	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
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	<4D44C5BC.60301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAD1B55810F34E8295807F7182D6A28A@Bonusroom>

Greg, as you know I like to keep my cars as original as possible but have
fitted a 5 speed to the MGA Coupe to make it drivable on the freeway and now
have a Frankenstein TF.  The TF is becoming my "play around with" car, I'm
keeping the Volvo engine because it has twice the power and an XPEG engine
would cost me around $7k which is more than the car is worth.  When you see
the car you'll understand, it's a good twenty footer.  So far I've fitted
MGB disc brakes and front suspension and a 3.9 MGB rear axle, so at least
the car with keep with the pack and stop.  I don't think it will be on the
road by Dawson's drive and it would need to be fairly warm as well.

On your Lotus Elan Coupe I would tend to keep it as original as possible
because it sounds really nice and original already and there probably aren't
too many left that way.  I'm looking forward to seeing it on Dawson's drive.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:58 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Car List

Hi Mike,
A couple of years ago, John Kenner and Ron Wheeler co-hosted a picnic at 
the parklands behind Ron's shop. John arranged and paid for a lot of BBQ 
chicken and sausages, and the attendees brought side dishes. John 
recruited his buddy, Steve, and yes, it is a lot of work, but was a 
really nice day. There was a short drive beforehand, with the BBQ and 
chatting being the central focus.
As you know, I held a tech session/potluck BBQ at our house last year, 
and a tech session at JNW Engine the year before with food I bought and 
attendees chipped in to pay for, as well as other tech sessions with 
food and drinks both at our house and at John's.
Dawson has hosted I think 2 Valentine's Day drives, with coffee and 
pastries and visiting before the drive, and last year's event included a 
stop at a winery for tasting. Dawson is kindly hosting another next month.
You yourself tried to arrange a day at Infineon, after the one you and 
Tim Thresh successfully arranged, which was well attended.
A few years ago, Andy hosted a pre-drive coffee/pastry/chat session. 
I've probably forgotten some similar events and contributors without 
intent to do so.
So, not impossible, but it does take one person who can line up the 
necessary location, supplies, and helpers, set the date, and do most of 
the work. We have lots of members, so hopefully another one of us will 
get inspired to host an event. I'm in favor of trying to get a more 
centralized location to attract more of our southern members, along with 
our regular friends.
Thanks to Clif for jumping in to put together a list of members' cars - 
hopefully the dataset will fill out as more members respond. Clif, 
please send me the list when you've finished compiling it.
Trish and I took the maiden drive yesterday in our new 1967 Elan S3 
Coupe SE (Special Equipment). It's mostly original, and has seen regular 
use, but needs to be updated and serviced. I'm struggling with the 
direction to take; keep it pretty much as-is, or do sympathetic upgrades 
as I have with the S4 drophead coupe. The S3 is more elegant in 
appearance, but feels more primitive than the S4, and is not as 
high-performance, or as well-restored. Trish and I are going to enjoy 
driving it a bit before I tackle the small fiberglass repair it needs 
near the headlight, but there are other things that I will have to 
decide whether they add to or take away from the classic character of 
the car. For example, it needs a new dash; do I stay with the standard 
walnut veneer, or choose a non-standard burl, or different wood? Change 
the original carpets? I don't want to lose the original character of the 
car, but do like my cars looking sharp.
To those who will be attending Dawson's drive - let me know what you 
think when you see the car, OK?
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian




On 1/29/2011 12:10 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the 
> rides, but I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members 
> and vehicles that we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do 
> have a final list, (Those with multiple cars should bring pics and 
> descritions to display) I think it would be fun to have one big get 
> togther somewhere, a picnic, wine tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot 
> of work, probably impossible to do, but it sure would be a hoot.
>
> P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> -
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 30 19:25:37 2011
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (Andy Preston)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:25:37 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: Motorhead 101 - Why I love the Brits!!! example
 #213
In-Reply-To: <20110130194800.76E43B05D7@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20110130194800.76E43B05D7@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <02EDE892CF464A82A5EA069562D66969@Bonusroom>

Don I loved the video.  I haven't seen a Triumph dolomite sprint for years,
and they went as fast as in the clip.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:48 AM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: Motorhead 101 - Why I love the Brits!!! example #213

>I just received this from Rick Feibusch.  Give it a viewing; 
>guaranteed to generate a chuckle.  (Those who have been into British 
>cars for the long haul in CA know Rick as the originator of the 
>British car shows, and being the head of the Morris Minor Club in 
>the Bay Area.)
>
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVAVdqyt-A&feature=related>http://www.yout
ube.com/watch?v=iyVAVdqyt-A&feature=related
>
>A true British motorhead answer to global climate change - The 
>wisdom of age.........
>
>Best,
>
>Rick Feibisch
>Venice, CA
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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sun Jan 30 19:55:28 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:55:28 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
Message-ID: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com>

My British Cars:

 

2005 John Cooper Works Mini   7

 

1966 Lotus Elan Frankenstein Roadster  4

 

1966 Lotus Elan S3 Coupe  under construction

 

1972 Lotus Elan Plus 2/130/5 under construction

 

1964 Triumph Herald  almost done

 

!968 Triumph TR250 overdrive & surrey top  8

 

That's it for now

 

JOHN KENNER

 

510 231 6803 P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805 F

 

 

tamalpais_s

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From jkenner at tamcab.com  Sun Jan 30 20:08:21 2011
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:08:21 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] GARAGE FOR RENT
Message-ID: <00b901cbc0f4$1efd96c0$5cf8c440$@com>

HEY PEOPLE WITH LOT'S OF LBC'S

 

I have a garage for rent in Graton. A member has been renting it for the 

last couple years and has decided he does not need it anymore.

 

It is in Downtown Graton across the street from the Fire Station.

It is a large 2 car garage that will store 2 - 4 LBC'S depending 

on their size. Probably 6 mini's. Has 2 roll up doors, 1 is electric.

$300 per month. Clean and secure.

 

I also have 2- 1147cc ( 1200 ) triumph motors and 2 transmissions that go
with

them. They are out of 1964 Heralds and will fit Spitfires of that vintage.

They both ran when parked. I want to give them away for free!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have a 1976 and a 1977 spitfire frame both of which are going to

the dump soon if no one wants them.

'

 

JOHN KENNER

 

510 231 6803 P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805 F

 

 

tamalpais_s

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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sun Jan 30 23:27:44 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:27:44 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
In-Reply-To: <DAD1B55810F34E8295807F7182D6A28A@Bonusroom>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171B546@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Andy: I agree that original is the ideal but I think your Volvo powered TF is
the epitome of LBCs and how they evolved. Look at the numerous engine types
that were inserted in the MGB/C6/Rover8 alone. Cadillacs in Allards and
Kurtis...etc, etc. Is it a bastardization or just a mixed marriage, keeping
the creative juices flowing while improving or customizing to our hearts
content...as long as we keep them on the road and safe. I once saw an electric
powered MGA at a MG event that was very creative and cool.
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: 'North Bay British Car Club' <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun Jan 30 18:11:58 2011
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Car List

Greg, as you know I like to keep my cars as original as possible but have
fitted a 5 speed to the MGA Coupe to make it drivable on the freeway and now
have a Frankenstein TF.  The TF is becoming my "play around with" car, I'm
keeping the Volvo engine because it has twice the power and an XPEG engine
would cost me around $7k which is more than the car is worth.  When you see
the car you'll understand, it's a good twenty footer.  So far I've fitted
MGB disc brakes and front suspension and a 3.9 MGB rear axle, so at least
the car with keep with the pack and stop.  I don't think it will be on the
road by Dawson's drive and it would need to be fairly warm as well.

On your Lotus Elan Coupe I would tend to keep it as original as possible
because it sounds really nice and original already and there probably aren't
too many left that way.  I'm looking forward to seeing it on Dawson's drive.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:58 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Car List

Hi Mike,
A couple of years ago, John Kenner and Ron Wheeler co-hosted a picnic at
the parklands behind Ron's shop. John arranged and paid for a lot of BBQ
chicken and sausages, and the attendees brought side dishes. John
recruited his buddy, Steve, and yes, it is a lot of work, but was a
really nice day. There was a short drive beforehand, with the BBQ and
chatting being the central focus.
As you know, I held a tech session/potluck BBQ at our house last year,
and a tech session at JNW Engine the year before with food I bought and
attendees chipped in to pay for, as well as other tech sessions with
food and drinks both at our house and at John's.
Dawson has hosted I think 2 Valentine's Day drives, with coffee and
pastries and visiting before the drive, and last year's event included a
stop at a winery for tasting. Dawson is kindly hosting another next month.
You yourself tried to arrange a day at Infineon, after the one you and
Tim Thresh successfully arranged, which was well attended.
A few years ago, Andy hosted a pre-drive coffee/pastry/chat session.
I've probably forgotten some similar events and contributors without
intent to do so.
So, not impossible, but it does take one person who can line up the
necessary location, supplies, and helpers, set the date, and do most of
the work. We have lots of members, so hopefully another one of us will
get inspired to host an event. I'm in favor of trying to get a more
centralized location to attract more of our southern members, along with
our regular friends.
Thanks to Clif for jumping in to put together a list of members' cars -
hopefully the dataset will fill out as more members respond. Clif,
please send me the list when you've finished compiling it.
Trish and I took the maiden drive yesterday in our new 1967 Elan S3
Coupe SE (Special Equipment). It's mostly original, and has seen regular
use, but needs to be updated and serviced. I'm struggling with the
direction to take; keep it pretty much as-is, or do sympathetic upgrades
as I have with the S4 drophead coupe. The S3 is more elegant in
appearance, but feels more primitive than the S4, and is not as
high-performance, or as well-restored. Trish and I are going to enjoy
driving it a bit before I tackle the small fiberglass repair it needs
near the headlight, but there are other things that I will have to
decide whether they add to or take away from the classic character of
the car. For example, it needs a new dash; do I stay with the standard
walnut veneer, or choose a non-standard burl, or different wood? Change
the original carpets? I don't want to lose the original character of the
car, but do like my cars looking sharp.
To those who will be attending Dawson's drive - let me know what you
think when you see the car, OK?
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian




On 1/29/2011 12:10 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the
> rides, but I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members
> and vehicles that we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do
> have a final list, (Those with multiple cars should bring pics and
> descritions to display) I think it would be fun to have one big get
> togther somewhere, a picnic, wine tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot
> of work, probably impossible to do, but it sure would be a hoot.
>
> P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> -
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 09:00:55 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:00:55 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
In-Reply-To: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com>
References: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com>
Message-ID: <8B181596654D424AA0C560E5C916C064@williamsonPC>

Hi John.
Wow...quit a collection.
I want to get the mini thing right.
Is it Cooper Mini,  Mini Cooper, or John Cooper as the car make?  And then 
Mini would be model, or Mini S, or Mini Works? Or what the heck.  Not 
joking.  I just want to make it the way it is suppose to be.
Clif


-----Original Message----- 
From: John Kenner
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:55 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: [Nobbc] car list

My British Cars:



2005 John Cooper Works Mini   7



1966 Lotus Elan Frankenstein Roadster  4



1966 Lotus Elan S3 Coupe  under construction



1972 Lotus Elan Plus 2/130/5 under construction



1964 Triumph Herald  almost done



!968 Triumph TR250 overdrive & surrey top  8



That's it for now



JOHN KENNER



510 231 6803 P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805 F





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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 09:22:21 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:22:21 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
In-Reply-To: <8B181596654D424AA0C560E5C916C064@williamsonPC>
References: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com>
	<8B181596654D424AA0C560E5C916C064@williamsonPC>
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  Hi Clif,

I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John Cooper 
Works (JCW) Hardtop;

The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its name 
from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made both by 
Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas under license 
during the day.

Sticking with the new MINI, they are known as either the Hardtop, 
Clubman, Convertible, Countryman, all of which are available in the base 
model,"S" performance model, or the John Cooper Works, which is further 
modified for performance. Until recently, owners could only buy the JCW 
performance packages and either install or have them installed on their 
base or S model cars. Now, MINI sells a factory JCW, or the other models 
can have the JCW stuff installed by the factory.

Most owners of pre-2007 MINIs will have either a base or S car with JCW 
upgrades, whereas ours is a factory-built MINI JCW. The cars are made in 
England using parts from all over the globe, but include about 35% 
British-made parts, as I recall. Mini in spirit, but lots of BMW ethos now.

There - clear as old motor oil.

Cheers,
Greg and Trish Tatarian

1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 FHC SE
1974 Triumph TR6
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000
2011 MINI JCW Hardtop
Still no planes or trains...







On 1/31/2011 8:00 AM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Hi John.
> Wow...quit a collection.
> I want to get the mini thing right.
> Is it Cooper Mini,  Mini Cooper, or John Cooper as the car make?  And 
> then Mini would be model, or Mini S, or Mini Works? Or what the heck.  
> Not joking.  I just want to make it the way it is suppose to be.
> Clif

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 10:13:53 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:13:53 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
In-Reply-To: <4D46E1BD.2090907@gmail.com>
References: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com><8B181596654D424AA0C560E5C916C064@williamsonPC>
	<4D46E1BD.2090907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AF84D36DF524C7784FA3B5656B85CF4@williamsonPC>

Thanks for the clarification.  The British have always been a confusing 
group, and then you add the Germans, and nobody understands anything.
I have added you Mini to the list as well and congrats on your new addition.
Any opinions on the Countryman that you would like to share?
Clif 74 JH

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:22 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] car list

  Hi Clif,

I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John Cooper
Works (JCW) Hardtop;

The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its name
from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made both by
Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas under license
during the day.

Sticking with the new MINI, they are known as either the Hardtop,
Clubman, Convertible, Countryman, all of which are available in the base
model,"S" performance model, or the John Cooper Works, which is further
modified for performance. Until recently, owners could only buy the JCW
performance packages and either install or have them installed on their
base or S model cars. Now, MINI sells a factory JCW, or the other models
can have the JCW stuff installed by the factory.

Most owners of pre-2007 MINIs will have either a base or S car with JCW
upgrades, whereas ours is a factory-built MINI JCW. The cars are made in
England using parts from all over the globe, but include about 35%
British-made parts, as I recall. Mini in spirit, but lots of BMW ethos now.

There - clear as old motor oil.

Cheers,
Greg and Trish Tatarian

1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1967 Lotus Elan S3 FHC SE
1974 Triumph TR6
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000
2011 MINI JCW Hardtop
Still no planes or trains...







On 1/31/2011 8:00 AM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Hi John.
> Wow...quit a collection.
> I want to get the mini thing right.
> Is it Cooper Mini,  Mini Cooper, or John Cooper as the car make?  And then 
> Mini would be model, or Mini S, or Mini Works? Or what the heck.  Not 
> joking.  I just want to make it the way it is suppose to be.
> Clif
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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 11:26:40 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:26:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Car List
References: <4D34AE06.5030303@sonic.net>,
	<4D34AFA4.6080501@gmail.com><58A6D773683C4235AEAEB61CDD3E3D42@williamsonPC><4D34FCE7.5090509@sonic.net><AANLkTikr3qrZ4E2hO-qXMJOBL3G+vC3VsAdm3Nw7XWJ6@mail.gmail.com><2FF49362672946839329760648786B30@williamsonPC><AANLkTikbCXvV2r9HdfnqJrTvfkacK4wW6_baj-buiwm2@mail.gmail.com><83a7d94f-9c9e-4149-9da5-df20b821ec50@blur><001201cbbdd5$d498ab90$7dca02b0$@com>,
	<4D40F5D4.1080102@sonic.net>,
	<445D01DEA48A4147B5F95F298053C5AA@williamsonPC><SNT139-w104033CDF18B7F3D014560C3FE0@phx.gbl><380D0B14784D4576AC4351A948A39088@williamsonPC><5229B05CB5FC40F7B9C7B35A7A524711@mike>
	<4D44C5BC.60301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C92BF2F43559481FBE0A7313C5B0BFBD@mike>

IF IT CAME TO PASS?

Hi Greg,

If it looked like it would actually happen, and we needed space, we could 
have a get together in the business park where my shop is. You've been here, 
there is lots of space and sufficient parking, at least enough for our club, 
do you think that would work? I can set up a BBQ and I have restrooms, so if 
push came to should shove we could do that. For a crowd that large, I would 
need donations for food and beverages. With my luck it would happen, and the 
Hot Rod shop down the driveway would have their annual get together the same 
day. But they do have real nice rides out there every day.

As far as the Lotus goes, replacing carpets and clean up stuff doesn't 
really take away from the originality of the car. I would keep the dash and 
character itmes the same, just refinish it. That's what I did. when I got my 
TR, it had some really ugly black VW seats, really ragged carpets, and the 
original red upholstery. So I found the seats that are in there now, that 
had the gold covers, so I just finished out the inside to match. I keep the 
color, and other character items the same, the dash is refinished, tranny is 
original, (I almost switched it out) so numbers match, I may put in a Flame 
thrower dizzy, but I am going to have the original rebuilt, then that will 
go back in. I bought a rear shock conversion set, for my back,  but I'm even 
thinking of rebuilding or just topping off the lever shocks to be more 
original. And I'm working hard on the knee so that I can attend the 
Valentines Day ride. As of yet, I can get in, but I can't get out, I may 
need some help to get extricated, but I plan to attend!

Michael
64 TR4

--- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Car List


> Hi Mike,
> A couple of years ago, John Kenner and Ron Wheeler co-hosted a picnic at 
> the parklands behind Ron's shop. John arranged and paid for a lot of BBQ 
> chicken and sausages, and the attendees brought side dishes. John 
> recruited his buddy, Steve, and yes, it is a lot of work, but was a really 
> nice day. There was a short drive beforehand, with the BBQ and chatting 
> being the central focus.
> As you know, I held a tech session/potluck BBQ at our house last year, and 
> a tech session at JNW Engine the year before with food I bought and 
> attendees chipped in to pay for, as well as other tech sessions with food 
> and drinks both at our house and at John's.
> Dawson has hosted I think 2 Valentine's Day drives, with coffee and 
> pastries and visiting before the drive, and last year's event included a 
> stop at a winery for tasting. Dawson is kindly hosting another next month.
> You yourself tried to arrange a day at Infineon, after the one you and Tim 
> Thresh successfully arranged, which was well attended.
> A few years ago, Andy hosted a pre-drive coffee/pastry/chat session. I've 
> probably forgotten some similar events and contributors without intent to 
> do so.
> So, not impossible, but it does take one person who can line up the 
> necessary location, supplies, and helpers, set the date, and do most of 
> the work. We have lots of members, so hopefully another one of us will get 
> inspired to host an event. I'm in favor of trying to get a more 
> centralized location to attract more of our southern members, along with 
> our regular friends.
> Thanks to Clif for jumping in to put together a list of members' cars - 
> hopefully the dataset will fill out as more members respond. Clif, please 
> send me the list when you've finished compiling it.
> Trish and I took the maiden drive yesterday in our new 1967 Elan S3 Coupe 
> SE (Special Equipment). It's mostly original, and has seen regular use, 
> but needs to be updated and serviced. I'm struggling with the direction to 
> take; keep it pretty much as-is, or do sympathetic upgrades as I have with 
> the S4 drophead coupe. The S3 is more elegant in appearance, but feels 
> more primitive than the S4, and is not as high-performance, or as 
> well-restored. Trish and I are going to enjoy driving it a bit before I 
> tackle the small fiberglass repair it needs near the headlight, but there 
> are other things that I will have to decide whether they add to or take 
> away from the classic character of the car. For example, it needs a new 
> dash; do I stay with the standard walnut veneer, or choose a non-standard 
> burl, or different wood? Change the original carpets? I don't want to lose 
> the original character of the car, but do like my cars looking sharp.
> To those who will be attending Dawson's drive - let me know what you think 
> when you see the car, OK?
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
>
>
>
>
> On 1/29/2011 12:10 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>> Hi Cliff,
>>
>> I am a relatively new member, and I try, but can't attend all the rides, 
>> but I would be very interested in seeing a list of the members and 
>> vehicles that we do have, just for the hell of it. And once we do have a 
>> final list, (Those with multiple cars should bring pics and descritions 
>> to display) I think it would be fun to have one big get togther 
>> somewhere, a picnic, wine tasting, etc. I'm sure it take a lot of work, 
>> probably impossible to do, but it sure would be a hoot.
>>
>> P.S. Despite all her flaws, my 64 TR4 gets a 100 Rating in my mind!
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>> -
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From CullivanCats at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 11:27:08 2011
From: CullivanCats at aol.com (CullivanCats at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:27:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] GARAGE FOR RENT
Message-ID: <d1f.3507997c.3a7858fc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/2011 7:18:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jkenner at tamcab.com writes:

HEY  PEOPLE WITH LOT'S OF LBC'S



I have a garage for rent in Graton.  A member has been renting it for the 

last couple years and has decided  he does not need it anymore.



It is in Downtown Graton across  the street from the Fire Station.

It is a large 2 car garage that will  store 2 - 4 LBC'S depending 

on their size. Probably 6 mini's. Has 2  roll up doors, 1 is electric.

$300 per month. Clean and  secure.



I also have 2- 1147cc ( 1200 ) triumph motors and 2  transmissions that go
with

them. They are out of 1964 Heralds and  will fit Spitfires of that vintage.

They both ran when parked. I want  to give them away for free!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have a 1976 and a 1977  spitfire frame both of which are going to

the dump soon if no one wants  them.

'



JOHN KENNER



510 231 6803  P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805  F





tamalpais_s

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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 11:49:36 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:49:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: [NVVC] Check him Out!! [1 Attachment]
Message-ID: <5CAB1572F9EB43FEBCE32F38914355F4@mike>

Alrighty Now,

TALK ABOUT A BARN FIND? ENJOY

MVG

----- Original Message -----
From: alan boring
To: Michael Gianandrea ; Bob Belter ; steve boring ; steve vollmuth ;
silver45surf
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:45 AM
Subject: Fw: [NVVC] Check him Out!! [1 Attachment]


      Never know what is hiding.

      Alan

      --- On Sun, 1/30/11, John Gamberg <john.gamberg at att.net> wrote:


        From: John Gamberg <john.gamberg at att.net>
        Subject: [NVVC] Check him Out!! [1 Attachment]
        To: "North Valley Volks Club" <NVVC at yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:10 AM



        [Attachment(s) from John Gamberg included below]













                              The AK Miller Auction
                              September 7 and 8, 1996

                              AK Miller's Front Yard
                              Consider the strange story of Alex and Imogene
Miller of East Orange , VT.
                              They eked out an existence on a small farm. Alex
would scrounge rusty nails from burnt buildings
                              to repair his roof. He drove a ratty VW Beetle,
and when it died, he found another
                              even more ratty, and another...the rusting
carcasses littered his yard.
                              Alex died in 1993, and Imogene died in 1996. The
local church took up a collection so they could
                              be buried in the churchyard, and the state began
the process of taking the farm for taxes.
                              That would have been the end of a sad story,
except.....

                              Forget the VW: a '28 Franklin ($4500US) and a
'23 HCS($14,500US)lurk inside
                              While preparing the estate for auction, the
sheriff discovered a cache of
                              bearer bonds taped to the back of a mirror. That
triggered a
                              comprehensive search of the house and
outbuildings. The estate auction
                              would eventually be handled by Christies, and it
would bring out collectors
                              from all over the world.

                              1913 Stutz Bearcat went for just $105,000US.
Must have been the bad tire.
                              It seems that Alex Miller was a Rutgers grad,
son of a wealthy financier.
                              He lived in Montclair , NJ , where he founded
Miller's Flying Service in
                              1930. He operated a gyrocopter (look it up, it's
too much of a digression)
                              for mail and delivery service through the 30's.
But the Millers had a
                              secret, and they moved from Montclair when they
needed room for it.

                              Step behind the wheel of a 1916 Stutz Bearcat.
($155,000 US)
                              Choosing to live low profile, and paranoid about
tax collectors, Miller
                              moved to the farm in VT, and took his
collections with him. Most of his
                              cash had been exchanged for gold and silver bars
and coins, which he buried
                              in various locations around the farm. He
carefully disassembled his
                              gyrocopter, and stored it in an old one-room
schoolhouse on his property.
                              he then built a couple of dozen sheds and barns
out of scrap lumber and
                              recycled nails. In the sheds he put his
collection.

                              Have to remember to clean that '20 Bearcat out
of the shed. ($50,000 US)
                              Alex Miller had an obsession with cars. Not just
any cars, but Stutz cars.
                              Blackhawks, Bearcats, Superbearcats, DV16's and
32's. He had been buying
                              them since the 1920's. When Stutz went out of
business, he bought a huge
                              pile of spare parts, which was also carefully
stored away in his sheds.

                              A Springfield Rolls Picadilly Roadster
($115,000US). Made in Illinois .
                              Sometimes, he would stray, and buy other
"special cars", including
                              Locomobiles, a Stanley, and a Springfield Rolls
Royce. He never drove them.
                              He'd simply move them into his storage sheds in
the middle of the night,
                              each car wrapped in burlap to protect it from
any prying eyes. Over the
                              years, the farm appeared to grow more and more
forlorn, even as the
                              collection was growing.

                              A snappy car: 1921 Stutz Bearcat. ($58,000 US)
                              Occasionally he would sell some parts to raise
cash. Rather than dipping
                              into his cache, he would labor for hours making
copies of the original
                              parts by hand.

                              Stutz factory spares. Cylinders and pistons from
a brass era Stutz in forground.
                              Collectors knew him as a sharp trader, who had
good
                              merchandise but was prone to cheating. His
neighbors had no clue at all,
                              they thought Alex and Imogene were paupers, and
often helped out with charity.

                              Wheelbarrow blocks a '28 Stutz Blackhawk
Boattail Speedster ($78,000 US)
                              The auction was a three day circus, billed as
the "Opening of King Stutz
                              Tomb". It attracted celebrity collectors, as
well as
                              thousands of curiosity seekers. The proceeds
were in the millions, some
                              items went for far more than their value in the
frenzy.
                              In the end, the IRS took a hefty chunk of the
cash for back taxes, which proves the old adage about the only two sure things
in life...

                              A vanilla '31 SV16 Stutz Sedan ($10,000)

                              Bargain of the show: a '29  Stutz Blackhawk
sedan for $7000 US

                              A beautiful Stutz DV32 Sedan ($27,500)

                              Anyone need a new Stutz engine? Still factory
fresh.

                              A'23 HCS ($12,000 US) lurks in the darkness of
the barn

                              A Lebaron dual-cowl Stutz from 1929 ($68,000US)

                              A '27 Stutz AA Sedan for $6500US

                              1925 Stutz Speedway Six ($9000 US)

                              T-Head engine in a '21 Bearcat

                              Build a '22 Stutz toruing car from this pile of
parts for just $10,000US







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From CullivanCats at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 11:50:38 2011
From: CullivanCats at aol.com (CullivanCats at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:50:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] GARAGE FOR RENT
Message-ID: <4cd13.75f4895b.3a785e7e@aol.com>

I talked with my husband after reading yesterday's emails - he is into  
being factory original - after all those emails about a volvo engine in an MG I 
 have seeded the idea in his head that it could work...he has no idea 
how...but  he does work for a former triumph dealership, maybe one of the older 
mechanics 
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2011 7:18:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jkenner at tamcab.com writes:

HEY  PEOPLE WITH LOT'S OF LBC'S



I have a garage for rent in Graton.  A member has been renting it for the 

last couple years and has decided  he does not need it anymore.



It is in Downtown Graton across  the street from the Fire Station.

It is a large 2 car garage that will  store 2 - 4 LBC'S depending 

on their size. Probably 6 mini's. Has 2  roll up doors, 1 is electric.

$300 per month. Clean and  secure.



I also have 2- 1147cc ( 1200 ) triumph motors and 2  transmissions that go
with

them. They are out of 1964 Heralds and  will fit Spitfires of that vintage.

They both ran when parked. I want  to give them away for free!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have a 1976 and a 1977  spitfire frame both of which are going to

the dump soon if no one wants  them.

'



JOHN KENNER



510 231 6803  P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805  F





tamalpais_s

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From CullivanCats at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 11:53:04 2011
From: CullivanCats at aol.com (CullivanCats at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:53:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Nobbc] GARAGE FOR RENT
Message-ID: <4cf8f.57239a6a.3a785f10@aol.com>

I am getting very tired of aol today.  keeps sending emails before i  am 
ready.  so put phils name on one of the engines...can we contact you  
directly?  If aol cooperates?
 
Margee Cullivan
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2011 7:18:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jkenner at tamcab.com writes:

HEY  PEOPLE WITH LOT'S OF LBC'S



I have a garage for rent in Graton.  A member has been renting it for the 

last couple years and has decided  he does not need it anymore.



It is in Downtown Graton across  the street from the Fire Station.

It is a large 2 car garage that will  store 2 - 4 LBC'S depending 

on their size. Probably 6 mini's. Has 2  roll up doors, 1 is electric.

$300 per month. Clean and  secure.



I also have 2- 1147cc ( 1200 ) triumph motors and 2  transmissions that go
with

them. They are out of 1964 Heralds and  will fit Spitfires of that vintage.

They both ran when parked. I want  to give them away for free!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have a 1976 and a 1977  spitfire frame both of which are going to

the dump soon if no one wants  them.

'



JOHN KENNER



510 231 6803  P

415 806 2457 C

510 231 6805  F





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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 11:54:06 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:54:06 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
References: <4D438ACB.1050407@gmail.com>
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Buy the 4 Andy, you'll love it.

Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?


> I've always loved the TR4A and this one looks real nice and the color is
> beautiful.  Where would it go and would the MGs get upset?
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:35 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2169485166.html
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
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From mewgull at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 12:03:25 2011
From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:03:25 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old  
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight- 
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in  
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the  
sobriquet 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the  
Austin also became the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation  
was the result of how people described them.  Anyway... as the  
popularity grew BMC did some badge engineering and also marketed the  
Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving them some hideous fins and  
other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were also called Minis.    
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to  
a throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin  
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply  
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as  
well as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were  
labeled with things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the  
company formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under  
the 'Mini' label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the  
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other  
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under  
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect  
that it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover  
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of  
what was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the  
lack of an SUV in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly  
dumped Land Rover on Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover  
Group
(including MG) to some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep  
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was  
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with  
that 55 HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning  
that incredibly fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well  
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines  
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100  
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but  
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John  
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its  
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made  
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas  
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is  
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock

From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 12:19:00 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:19:00 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Magnificent Motorcycles
Message-ID: <E6AC7CFC14CF40F3AFD7AAB7DB9DD240@mike>

Motorcycles anyone?

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Fw: Magnificent Motorcycles





thanks to GARY 'FRIEND OF OLD HORSTY' KUNTZ for the following.
Racer Bud


Magnificent Motorcycles


Behold! The Fearsome Knight on an Iron Horse... Or rather, 500 Horses

Earlier this year  we examined some of the cool, the fascinating, the unusual
and the utterly weird designs for motorcycles that have appeared for over the
last century or so. Herebs another look the wild and wonderful world of
motorcycles.



Brough Superior motorcycles were made in Nottingham, England from 1919 until
1940 and were known as bthe Rolls Royce of motorcyclesb. Very expensive at
the time, they were available only to the wealthy. This model dates from
1931.




T. E. Lawrence, better known as Lawrence of Arabia, owned several of these
machines and died from his injuries after crashing on one in 1935.... Another
beautiful bike is this Imme (Germany), with a single side suspension:



The Megola motorcycle was produced in Munich in the 1920bs. Some 2000 were
built, but only 10 fully working examples are still in existence, one of which
is in the Guggenheim Museum in New York:





In 1935, the Killinger and Freund motorcycle was an attempt to make an
improved version of the Megola, but the advent of World War Two put an end to
any further development:






Some sources point out that "in 1940, when Indian's skirted fenders appeared,
several questioned the manhood of Spingfield's designers". It seems that
aerodynamic shape of Killinger & Freund bikes influenced the Indian
designers:



This streamlined torpedo is the French-made Majestic, 1929:




Speaking about "Custom War Bikes", here is one that was fashioned after World
War Two style (modern concept by Kogisama):




The previous wild concept was not so wild, after all - take a look at the real
WW2-period 1936 BMW Schneekrad




Another front-wheel tracked motorcycle prototype from 1937 (more info):



Modern all-terrain tracked version is proposed by Hyanide & Baal:




After the war, the Moto Guzzi 500 cc V8 race bike was seen on the worldbs
high-speed racetracks from 1955 to 1957.





Going Hubless

The hubless wheel was invented by Franco Sbarro, who incorporated it into the
Sbarro Osmos car in 1989. He also built at least two motorcycles employing the
hubless technology.





Modern version of the hubless wheel can be seen in the recent concepts for
Harley Davidson



Many of us remember the lightcycles from the 1982 movie Tron. The long awaited
sequel, Tron Legacy, is set to hit theatres in late 2010 and will feature this
splendid looking specimen:




Swordfish concept chopper:




Rats & Kustoms

This custom built motorcycle, called Iceman II, was made by Walz Hardcore
Choppers of Germany for Formula One world champion Kimi Raikonnen:



Rat bikes are usually defined as motorcycles that are decades old, in a poor
state of repair, but still maintained and kept roadworthy by their owners on a
shoestring budget. Survival bikes do resemble rat bikes and the two are often
confused, although survival bikes are usually modified in much the same way
that cars are customized. Here are some great examples of both of these types
of machines.

Imagine seeing this coming up behind you in your rear view mirror (below
left)? On the right is the rounded green beauty, also seen at the Sturgis
Motorcycle Rally:




Not sure what kind of a view youbd get of the road ahead on this one (image
below left)? On the right you can see a really inventive fuel tank -




On the left image below is The Survival Bike from some sort of Zombie
Apocalypse... Whereas the owners of the bike (below right) decided to actually
attach the coffin as a sidecar:




We featured what we had speculated might be the worldbs largest motorcycle
in Magnificent Motorcycles Part One, but the biggest one on the planet may
actually be this one.




This bike is pretty big too and apparently this machine, called the Gunbus, is
perfectly capable of being taken out on the road.




Want to travel in style? Why not try this Harley Davidson and limousine
combination?


Concept Beasts

Finally, herebs a selection of concept motorcycles, which may or may not see
the light of day at some point in the future. Herebs the Akira concept
bike:



FuturA was designed by Mario Malagrino of the Florence Design Academy
(left)... Romanian 3D artist Adrian Baluta created this cool bike called
Darklight (right):




Above image, bottom row: the Suzuki Biplane and the Victory Vision 800 concept
bike produced by Victory, a division of Polaris ATV's.

William Woods designed the Fallout concept motorcycle in 2009 (below left).
The Wrath concept (below right) by Alexander Barnard is dubbed a bfuture
modern retro chopperb for the year 2083:














































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From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 12:25:04 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:25:04 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Mercedes
Message-ID: <42C792E481044166BE7CF502A39FF182@mike>

Interesting Mercedes Pics.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Fw: Mercedes





thanks to JEFF 'OUT TO LUNCH' PRICE..for the following.
Racer Bud


http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2044849,00.html?hpt=C2

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 13:08:22 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:08:22 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
In-Reply-To: <B8CE4A39-2522-4C14-9AAD-C19BDE8E6F9E@sonic.net>
References: <00b301cbc0f2$526a2de0$f73e89a0$@com><8B181596654D424AA0C560E5C916C064@williamsonPC><4D46E1BD.2090907@gmail.com>
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Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except 
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty 
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in 
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are 
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a 
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has 
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below 
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but 
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was 
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian 
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an 
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a 
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a 
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone 
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting 
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused 
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where. 
At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in 
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message----- 
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the
sobriquet 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the
Austin also became the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation
was the result of how people described them.  Anyway... as the
popularity grew BMC did some badge engineering and also marketed the
Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving them some hideous fins and
other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to
a throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as
well as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were
labeled with things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the
company formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under
the 'Mini' label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect
that it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of
what was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the
lack of an SUV in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly
dumped Land Rover on Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover
Group
(including MG) to some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with
that 55 HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning
that incredibly fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John  Cooper 
> Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its  name 
> from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made  both by 
> Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas  under license 
> during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God
loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is
the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Mon Jan 31 13:27:26 2011
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:27:26 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Here is one the best short histories of Minis online at:
http://www.outmotoring.com/pages.php?pageid=7 (Out Motoring)

MINIs unlike Minis have only been assembled in England at the same Rover
plant that manufactured the last decade of British Rover Minis. That may
have changed with the introduction of the new Countryman (not sure where
they are assembled).  BMW has owned the name Mini and MINI since they
purchased the company and assets it in 1995. BMW also owns the Triumph name
and has considered offering a Triumph roadster under the MINI brand (thus a
MINI Triumph).  For now the MINI Coupe and MINI Roadster scheduled for
release late in 2011 & 2012 will have to suffice.

>From what I have read, MINI will be building a small BMW car at their Oxford
facility based on the MINI platform for release sometime in the next couple
of years.

MINIs have same of the same charming qualities as their BMC relatives
including the occasional electrical problem, but are blessed with
outstanding German and American design and engineering.


Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old  
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight- 
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and  
other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were also called Minis.    
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin  
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply  
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep  
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was  
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well  
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines  
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John 
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its 
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made 
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas 
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

*** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God loves you
and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful,
dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should  
save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:32:53 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:32:53 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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  Hi Gerry,

On 1/31/2011 11:03 AM, G. Mugele wrote:
> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old 
> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as 
> straight-forward as all that.
Well, that was a fun and informative lecture, but I think you may have 
prepared using the syllabus for the wrong course. ;-) .   I 
intentionally minimized the history of classic Minis, since that wasn't 
what we were talking about. The question Clif raised was how to refer to 
John's MINI. Not that I didn't expect someone to take up where I left off...

>
> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
Such is the fate of many British car makes and models...
Acknowledging the inherent risks of quoting Wikipedia, here goes:
Minis are assembled at Plant Oxford 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_Oxford> in Cowley 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowley>, United Kingdom, where around 
4,700 people are employed.^[2] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-1> Engines for 
Mini cars are produced at the Hams Hall Plant nearBirmingham 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham>, United Kingdom, which has 
around 800 employees.^[3] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-2> Mini 
sub-assemblies and pressings such as doors are supplied by a plant in 
Swindon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindon>, United Kingdom, where 
around 1,000 people are employed.^[4] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-3> Minis are 
primarily developed in the United Kingdom by BMW's Development 
Division.^[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-4> 
Around 217,000 Mini's were sold worldwide in 2009.^[6] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-5> .

I'm only half British, and the other half Armenian, and none of my 
British friends would call me British, so I guess we would have to call 
the MINI a car of the world.

I resisted buying or MINI (not Mini) for many years, until I drove one. 
Heritage vs. current parentage aside, the JCW is an outstanding car to 
drive (ask the Lotus Exiges and Elises we led recently on a GGLC drive), 
and one heck of a lot safer, more comfortable and more rugged than it's 
namesake from lo those many years ago.

BTW, the REME club has a mix of Minis and MINIs, and from what I've 
seen, the respective owners do speak to one another (probably when a 
Mini needs a tow). ;-)

Cheers,
Greg

>
> Gerry

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:39:08 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:39:08 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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  Hey, not so fast there on the trigger, Clif.  ;-)  Before you lump us 
MINI owners in with the BMW or Porsche clubs, here's what I just posted 
to Gerry:


Minis are assembled at Plant Oxford 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_Oxford> in Cowley 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowley>, United Kingdom, where around 
4,700 people are employed.^[2] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-1> Engines for 
Mini cars are produced at the Hams Hall Plant nearBirmingham 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham>, United Kingdom, which has 
around 800 employees.^[3] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-2> Mini 
sub-assemblies and pressings such as doors are supplied by a plant in 
Swindon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindon>, United Kingdom, where 
around 1,000 people are employed.^[4] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-3> Minis are 
primarily developed in the United Kingdom by BMW's Development 
Division.^[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-4> 
Around 217,000 Mini's were sold worldwide in 2009.^[6] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-5>




RE: the designer of the MINI, no that wasn't John Cooper. He was a race 
car developer who was, among many other accomplishments, asked to make a 
beast out of the diminutive Mini back in the day. Nowadays, it's all 
about branding, and who has the $$ to buy that brand and capitalize on 
it. Think Jaguar, Mini, and sadly, even the Lotus F1 teams. Much to be 
said about this sad subject.

I'll give rides to anyone in the MINI JCW - you won't really care what 
it's called after that.

Cheers,
Greg





On 1/31/2011 12:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  
> Except for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it 
> is pretty much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy 
> parts made in other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or 
> any of it's parts are made in the USA, that it is an American car.  
> Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that 
> the only thing that truly has British heritage on the Mini is the name 
> "Mini", as your description below would attest.  I don't know if 
> Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but even that would not 
> change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was the designer of 
> many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian including the 
> Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I 
> had an occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was 
> picked up by a Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of 
> back country roads a Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed 
> was not going to be outdone by a little cracker box so off we went.  
> And after about 5 miles of twisting Swedish roads he gave up.  I was 
> so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused by the chase I was shaking 
> when he dropped my off in the middle of no where. At that point I 
> realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in love with 
> the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH

From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Mon Jan 31 13:43:45 2011
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:43:45 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned by
BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?

I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer Buick
models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.

peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where.

At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message-----
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were
also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John  
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its  
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made  
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas  
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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From mjansen at phreego.com  Mon Jan 31 14:08:31 2011
From: mjansen at phreego.com (mjansen at phreego.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:08:31 -0000
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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Mark Jansen
69 XKE Roadster  6 or 7

From mvg1 at att.net  Mon Jan 31 14:30:14 2011
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:30:14 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Well let me chime in here,

I do not clearly recall how it came to be, but BMW purchased the assets of 
BMC some years ago, and produced the MINI, so the MINI is a british car 
manufactured by BMW in their BMW factories, wherever. So I guess we can say 
the MINI is a Gertish car. Following that lineage, I ran into a guy in a gas 
station in Novato some years back, who drove a 1937 BMW convertable. I could 
not readily identify the make of his car, I thought maybe a Mercedes? But it 
was vaguely familiar to me, it took me a few minutes to think back to my 
three 50's Jags. We started talking, he invited me back to his shop on lower 
Grant Ave, where he showed me some other older cars he had stored, and told 
me the history / relationship of BMW and Jaguar. As I was told, late in 
World War II, during British raids on some German factories, some British 
paratroopers raided a bombed out BMW factory, walking off with a great many 
original BMW design drawings, some of which, included the familiar oval 
shaped grills and long sloping butterfly fenders of the XK series and the Mk 
I & II 3.4 and 3.8 model sedans. Upon close examination of his BMW, it 
appeared to me that I could probably remove the grill from his car and 
install it directly onto my 59 MK I  3.4 sedan, (Hummmmm) so the 
relationship between BMW and BMC and the MINI would appear to go way back, 
as it was told to me. Maybe one of our British club members can shed a 
little more light on this. Andy, Anybody?

As it happened, this gentleman was president of a national BMW club, and 
upon finding out the nature of my business, he had me mold up a reproduction 
of an original BMW tool, kit sold with the older BMW's, which he sold to 
club members, because, as many of us know, original equipment items for our 
old cars can be next to impossible to find.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis


> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all. 
> Except for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is 
> pretty much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts 
> made in other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's 
> parts are made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in 
> Mexico, is a Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that 
> truly has British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your 
> description below would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer 
> of the BMW Mini, but even that would not change if it was British or not, 
> since Pininfarina was the designer of many non Italian cars that are not 
> considered Italian including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had 
> an occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by 
> a Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a 
> Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be 
> outdone by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles 
> of twisting Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the 
> adrenaline rush caused by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off 
> in the middle of no where. At that point I realized, that "might does not 
> make right" and fell crazy in love with the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: G. Mugele
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
> forward as all that.
>
> BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
> England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the
> sobriquet 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the
> Austin also became the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation
> was the result of how people described them.  Anyway... as the
> popularity grew BMC did some badge engineering and also marketed the
> Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving them some hideous fins and
> other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were also called Minis.
> Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to
> a throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
> Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
> "Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as
> well as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were
> labeled with things like 'S' and '1275 S.'
>
> Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the
> company formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under
> the 'Mini' label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
> world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
> countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
> license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect
> that it was an official BMC product.
>
> In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
> Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of
> what was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the
> lack of an SUV in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly
> dumped Land Rover on Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover
> Group
> (including MG) to some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
> the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
> out of production by 2000 or so.
>
> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
>
> BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with
> that 55 HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning
> that incredibly fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
> beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
> relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
> horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.
>
> This concludes todays lecture.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
>> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John  Cooper 
>> Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>>
>> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its  name 
>> from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made  both by 
>> Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas  under license 
>> during the day.
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God
> loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is
> the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
> save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 14:45:12 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:45:12 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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I don't think it matters where the car is produced.  More who owns it and 
who designed it, i.e. the owner (BMW).  Like I said, VW's produced in Mexico 
are not Mexican.  Let's look at the Caterhams produced in Canada.  Even with 
it being an original Super 7 British styled design, it is not British.  And 
considering the different engine options like the Hayabusa, and Ford, simply 
put this is a Canadian (kit) Car.
Seems that over years the British have sold their heritage, and we as 
original British car owners are a special, if not so bright, group of 
individuals.  So God bless Lotus, God bless Britain, and God save the queen.
Clif 74 JH
PS  Besides, there is nothing wrong with owning a BMW, is there?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:39 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

  Hey, not so fast there on the trigger, Clif.  ;-)  Before you lump us
MINI owners in with the BMW or Porsche clubs, here's what I just posted
to Gerry:


Minis are assembled at Plant Oxford
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_Oxford> in Cowley
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowley>, United Kingdom, where around
4,700 people are employed.^[2]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-1> Engines for
Mini cars are produced at the Hams Hall Plant nearBirmingham
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham>, United Kingdom, which has
around 800 employees.^[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-2> Mini
sub-assemblies and pressings such as doors are supplied by a plant in
Swindon <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindon>, United Kingdom, where
around 1,000 people are employed.^[4]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-3> Minis are
primarily developed in the United Kingdom by BMW's Development
Division.^[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-4>
Around 217,000 Mini's were sold worldwide in 2009.^[6]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_%28BMW%29#cite_note-5>




RE: the designer of the MINI, no that wasn't John Cooper. He was a race
car developer who was, among many other accomplishments, asked to make a
beast out of the diminutive Mini back in the day. Nowadays, it's all
about branding, and who has the $$ to buy that brand and capitalize on
it. Think Jaguar, Mini, and sadly, even the Lotus F1 teams. Much to be
said about this sad subject.

I'll give rides to anyone in the MINI JCW - you won't really care what
it's called after that.

Cheers,
Greg





On 1/31/2011 12:08 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.
> Except for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it
> is pretty much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy
> parts made in other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or
> any of it's parts are made in the USA, that it is an American car.
> Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that
> the only thing that truly has British heritage on the Mini is the name
> "Mini", as your description below would attest.  I don't know if
> Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but even that would not
> change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was the designer of
> many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian including the
> Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I
> had an occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was
> picked up by a Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of
> back country roads a Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed
> was not going to be outdone by a little cracker box so off we went.
> And after about 5 miles of twisting Swedish roads he gave up.  I was
> so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused by the chase I was shaking
> when he dropped my off in the middle of no where. At that point I
> realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in love with
> the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH
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Peter,
You couldn't have said it better.
Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it is 
British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a better 
way to deal with the issue.
Clif

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Ziedrich
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned by
BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?

I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer Buick
models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.

peter

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Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where.

At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message-----
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were
also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 14:54:55 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:54:55 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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We are up to 60 cars.  Wow!  And this doesn't include Dawson!!!
A few of you have indicated a car for sale.  If any others want, that is 
cool, but let me know if you sell yours after it is in the list.
Thanks,
Clif

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 15:20:41 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:20:41 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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Hmm. Why not include the car for sale data in the list? Could be very helpful.
Greg
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Sent: Jan 31, 2011 1:54 PM

We are up to 60 cars.  Wow!  And this doesn't include Dawson!!!
A few of you have indicated a car for sale.  If any others want, that is 
cool, but let me know if you sell yours after it is in the list.
Thanks,
Clif
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From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:22:20 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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Rob Jackson, Santa Rosa:

1962 Mk2 3.8 Jaguar (still a project)
Series 3 Sunbeam (project and interested in selling)

Cheers!

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> We are up to 60 cars.  Wow!  And this doesn't include Dawson!!!
> A few of you have indicated a car for sale.  If any others want, that is
> cool, but let me know if you sell yours after it is in the list.
> Thanks,
> Clif
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From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Mon Jan 31 15:51:53 2011
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:51:53 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car Show (which
I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along with it. At
their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers- licensed by
German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian, Spanish, New
Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords, Jaguars, Nash
Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....

Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years and Ford
has been doing the primary designing for years? 
Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned by
Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in Austria.
What would James Bond say?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Peter,
You couldn't have said it better.
Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it is
British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a better
way to deal with the issue.
Clif

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ziedrich
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned by
BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?

I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer Buick
models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.

peter

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where.

At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message-----
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were
also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John 
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its 
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made 
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas 
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:01:40 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:01:40 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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  On 1/31/2011 1:45 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> I don't think it matters where the car is produced.  More who owns it 
> and who designed it, i.e. the owner (BMW).  Like I said, VW's produced 
> in Mexico are not Mexican.  Let's look at the Caterhams produced in 
> Canada.  Even with it being an original Super 7 British styled design, 
> it is not British.  And considering the different engine options like 
> the Hayabusa, and Ford, simply put this is a Canadian (kit) Car.
Well, except that Super 7 is a Caterham factory-authorized manufacturer, 
and Caterham is a UK company, so if a Mexican VW isn't Mexican, why is a 
Super 7 from Canada a Canadian car?

Original Minis were made under license in Japan, New Zealand, Australia, 
etc., but would we not consider them bona fide versions? BTW, many Mini 
lovers really prefer the Australian and Japanese Minis, for their subtle 
but useful refinements over the UK-made cars. We had a member some years 
back with a gorgeous Australian Mini - he moved away, but I wonder if 
he's moved back to California? We need to get him on some club drives, 
if so.

> Seems that over years the British have sold their heritage, and we as 
> original British car owners are a special, if not so bright, group of 
> individuals.  So God bless Lotus, God bless Britain, and God save the 
> queen.
I have several wonderful books on post-war British sports and family car 
production. It blows my mind seeing how many cool, interesting, 
sometimes dorky, but inventive cars came from the efforts of that little 
island. A history of truly amazing accomplishments, and that isn't even 
considering the race car heritage that has flowed to today's race and 
production cars.

> Clif 74 JH
> PS  Besides, there is nothing wrong with owning a BMW, is there?
Not in my book. I'd love a 3.0CSI, a 635CSI, a 1972-1973 2002... 
However, not all dyed-in-the-wool classic Brit car lovers are open 
minded towards Bimmers or Porsches (nor they of us, often times).

Cheers,
Greg

>
> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:39 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 16:29:17 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:29:17 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Works for me.  I will have to come up with a category for non British, 
British cars.  Any ideas.  Sounds like a fun event.  Where is it?
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Ziedrich
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:51 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car Show (which
I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along with it. At
their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers- licensed by
German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian, Spanish, New
Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords, Jaguars, Nash
Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....

Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years and Ford
has been doing the primary designing for years?
Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned by
Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in Austria.
What would James Bond say?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Peter,
You couldn't have said it better.
Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it is
British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a better
way to deal with the issue.
Clif

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Ziedrich
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned by
BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?

I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer Buick
models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.

peter

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Thanks Gerry.
But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.  Except
for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts are
made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be outdone
by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of twisting
Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no where.

At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy in
love with the Mini.
Clif
74 JH


-----Original Message-----
From: G. Mugele
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
forward as all that.

BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also became
the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins were
also called Minis.
Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
"Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
things like 'S' and '1275 S.'

Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
it was an official BMC product.

In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an SUV
in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover on
Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
out of production by 2000 or so.

The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.

BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that incredibly
fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.

This concludes todays lecture.

Gerry






On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:

> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John
> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>
> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its
> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made
> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas
> under license during the day.

G. Mugele
mewgull at mugele.net

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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 16:39:35 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:39:35 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Interesting.  Like I said, if it has British blood, it's British.  But BP 
gas, and oil does not make a British car, OK?
Clif
-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Tatarian
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

  On 1/31/2011 1:45 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> I don't think it matters where the car is produced.  More who owns it and 
> who designed it, i.e. the owner (BMW).  Like I said, VW's produced in 
> Mexico are not Mexican.  Let's look at the Caterhams produced in Canada. 
> Even with it being an original Super 7 British styled design, it is not 
> British.  And considering the different engine options like the Hayabusa, 
> and Ford, simply put this is a Canadian (kit) Car.
Well, except that Super 7 is a Caterham factory-authorized manufacturer,
and Caterham is a UK company, so if a Mexican VW isn't Mexican, why is a
Super 7 from Canada a Canadian car?

Original Minis were made under license in Japan, New Zealand, Australia,
etc., but would we not consider them bona fide versions? BTW, many Mini
lovers really prefer the Australian and Japanese Minis, for their subtle
but useful refinements over the UK-made cars. We had a member some years
back with a gorgeous Australian Mini - he moved away, but I wonder if
he's moved back to California? We need to get him on some club drives,
if so.

> Seems that over years the British have sold their heritage, and we as 
> original British car owners are a special, if not so bright, group of 
> individuals.  So God bless Lotus, God bless Britain, and God save the 
> queen.
I have several wonderful books on post-war British sports and family car
production. It blows my mind seeing how many cool, interesting,
sometimes dorky, but inventive cars came from the efforts of that little
island. A history of truly amazing accomplishments, and that isn't even
considering the race car heritage that has flowed to today's race and
production cars.

> Clif 74 JH
> PS  Besides, there is nothing wrong with owning a BMW, is there?
Not in my book. I'd love a 3.0CSI, a 635CSI, a 1972-1973 2002...
However, not all dyed-in-the-wool classic Brit car lovers are open
minded towards Bimmers or Porsches (nor they of us, often times).

Cheers,
Greg

>
> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:39 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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From mitch.utsey at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:43:57 2011
From: mitch.utsey at gmail.com (Mitch Utsey)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:43:57 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Peter Ziedrich
<zied at redwoodempiremini.com>wrote:

>
> Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned by
> Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in
> Austria.
> What would James Bond say?
>
> Peter

From liamof at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 31 17:00:52 2011
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:00:52 -0800
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I thought British cars were classified as the ones that leave oil spots in
your driveway.
Seems simple to me.
Liam
On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Works for me.  I will have to come up with a category for non British,
British cars.  Any ideas.  Sounds like a fun event.  Where is it?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car Show (which
> I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along with it.
At
> their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers- licensed
by
> German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian, Spanish, New
> Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords, Jaguars,
Nash
> Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....
>
> Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years and Ford
> has been doing the primary designing for years?
> Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned by
> Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in
Austria.
> What would James Bond say?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Peter,
> You couldn't have said it better.
> Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it is
> British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a
better
> way to deal with the issue.
> Clif
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
> aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned
by
> BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
> Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?
>
> I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
> pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
> manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
> and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer
Buick
> models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
> pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... but
> only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.
>
> peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.
Except
> for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
> much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
> other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts
are
> made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is a
> Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
> British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
> would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, but
> even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
> the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
> including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had an
> occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
> Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
> Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be
outdone
> by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of
twisting
> Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush caused
> by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no
where.
>
> At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy
in
> love with the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Mugele
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
> forward as all that.
>
> BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
> England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
> 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also
became
> the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
> people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some badge
> engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, giving
> them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins
were
> also called Minis.
> Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
> throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
> Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
> "Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
> as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
> things like 'S' and '1275 S.'
>
> Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
> formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
> label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
> world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
> countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
> license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect that
> it was an official BMC product.
>
> In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
> Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
> was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an
SUV
> in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover
on
> Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
> some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
> the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
> out of production by 2000 or so.
>
> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
>
> BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 55
> HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that
incredibly
> fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
> beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
> relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
> horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.
>
> This concludes todays lecture.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
>> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John
>> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>>
>> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its
>> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made
>> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas
>> under license during the day.
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
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From drjeffmorley at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 31 17:22:08 2011
From: drjeffmorley at earthlink.net (drjeffmorley at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:22:08 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
Message-ID: <410-220112210228366@earthlink.net>

Jeff Morley
1967 Sunbeam Alpine    7

also, looking to rent garage space for this little beauty in Fairfax (Mid
Marin).


> [Original Message]
> From: Clif & Deborah Williamson <hawkview at sonic.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/31/2011 2:19:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] car list
>
> We are up to 60 cars.  Wow!  And this doesn't include Dawson!!!
> A few of you have indicated a car for sale.  If any others want, that is 
> cool, but let me know if you sell yours after it is in the list.
> Thanks,
> Clif
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 17:27:54 2011
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:27:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Then my VW would be in!
Clif

-----Original Message----- 
From: Liam O'Flaherty
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 4:00 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

I thought British cars were classified as the ones that leave oil spots in
your driveway.
Seems simple to me.
Liam
On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Works for me.  I will have to come up with a category for non British,
British cars.  Any ideas.  Sounds like a fun event.  Where is it?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car Show 
> (which
> I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along with it.
At
> their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers- licensed
by
> German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian, Spanish, New
> Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords, Jaguars,
Nash
> Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....
>
> Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years and Ford
> has been doing the primary designing for years?
> Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned by
> Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in
Austria.
> What would James Bond say?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Peter,
> You couldn't have said it better.
> Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it is
> British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a
better
> way to deal with the issue.
> Clif
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land Rovers
> aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German (owned
by
> BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
> Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?
>
> I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a clean
> pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
> manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are manufactured
> and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the newer
Buick
> models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the cars
> pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end up.... 
> but
> only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.
>
> peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.
Except
> for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is pretty
> much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts made in
> other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's parts
are
> made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, is 
> a
> Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly has
> British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your description below
> would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW Mini, 
> but
> even that would not change if it was British or not, since Pininfarina was
> the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
> including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I had 
> an
> occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked up by a
> Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country roads a
> Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be
outdone
> by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of
twisting
> Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush 
> caused
> by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no
where.
>
> At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell crazy
in
> love with the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Mugele
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
> forward as all that.
>
> BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in
> England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the sobriquet
> 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also
became
> the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of how
> people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did some 
> badge
> engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley Hornet, 
> giving
> them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor cousins
were
> also called Minis.
> Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to a
> throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
> Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
> "Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as well
> as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled with
> things like 'S' and '1275 S.'
>
> Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the company
> formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the 'Mini'
> label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
> world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other
> countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under
> license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect 
> that
> it was an official BMC product.
>
> In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
> Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of what
> was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack of an
SUV
> in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land Rover
on
> Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) to
> some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
> the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
> out of production by 2000 or so.
>
> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
>
> BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with that 
> 55
> HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that
incredibly
> fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
> beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
> relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
> horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.
>
> This concludes todays lecture.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
>> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John
>> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>>
>> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its
>> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made
>> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas
>> under license during the day.
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God loves 
> you
> and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful,
> dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
> save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Mon Jan 31 17:44:54 2011
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:44:54 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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and cars you have to spend 2-4+ hours prepping for a monthly 2 hour
drive....

C.M. is back in Santa Rosa with his blue '65 Australian Mini.... 


Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Liam O'Flaherty
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 4:01 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

I thought British cars were classified as the ones that leave oil spots in
your driveway.
Seems simple to me.
Liam
On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> Works for me.  I will have to come up with a category for non British,
British cars.  Any ideas.  Sounds like a fun event.  Where is it?
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car Show 
> (which I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along
with it.
At
> their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers- 
> licensed
by
> German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian, Spanish, 
> New Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords, 
> Jaguars,
Nash
> Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....
>
> Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years and 
> Ford has been doing the primary designing for years?
> Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly owned 
> by Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in
Austria.
> What would James Bond say?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clif & Deborah 
> Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Peter,
> You couldn't have said it better.
> Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots, it 
> is British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of 
> a
better
> way to deal with the issue.
> Clif
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Ziedrich
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land 
> Rovers aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are 
> German (owned
by
> BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
> Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?
>
> I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a 
> clean pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western 
> hemisphere are manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles 
> are manufactured and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact 
> one of the newer
Buick
> models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the 
> cars pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end 
> up.... but only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.
>
> peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clif & Deborah 
> Williamson
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Thanks Gerry.
> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.
Except
> for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is 
> pretty much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy 
> parts made in other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or 
> any of it's parts
are
> made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in Mexico, 
> is a Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that 
> truly has British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your 
> description below would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the 
> designer of the BMW Mini, but even that would not change if it was 
> British or not, since Pininfarina was the designer of many non Italian 
> cars that are not considered Italian including the Jaguar, and
Rolls-Royce.
> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.  I 
> had an occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was 
> picked up by a Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of 
> back country roads a Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed 
> was not going to be
outdone
> by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of
twisting
> Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline rush 
> caused by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle 
> of no
where.
>
> At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell 
> crazy
in
> love with the Mini.
> Clif
> 74 JH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Mugele
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>
> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
> forward as all that.
>
> BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants in 
> England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the 
> sobriquet 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the 
> Austin also
became
> the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result of 
> how people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did 
> some badge engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the 
> Wolseley Hornet, giving them some hideous fins and other awkward 
> cosmetics.  Those poor cousins
were
> also called Minis.
> Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement to 
> a throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
> Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
> "Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants as 
> well as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were 
> labeled with things like 'S' and '1275 S.'
>
> Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the 
> company formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the
'Mini'
> label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
> world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of other 
> countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built under 
> license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I suspect 
> that it was an official BMC product.
>
> In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
> Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner of 
> what was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the 
> lack of an
SUV
> in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land 
> Rover
on
> Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including MG) 
> to some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
> the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
> out of production by 2000 or so.
>
> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
>
> BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with 
> that 55 HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning 
> that
incredibly
> fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
> beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
> relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100 
> horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.
>
> This concludes todays lecture.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>
>> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but 
>> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John 
>> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>>
>> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its 
>> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made 
>> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas 
>> under license during the day.
>
> G. Mugele
> mewgull at mugele.net
>
> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God 
> loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is 
> the most awful, dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
> save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 17:54:13 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:54:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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That would be Craig Murphy and he is back in Santa Rosa. By an odd 
coincidence he delisted himself from this list today and I've emailed 
him to find out what's up. I think family pressures keep him from our 
rides. His mini is really nice as you said Greg so I hope he can join 
some of our rides!

Ron
58 MGA

Greg Tatarian wrote:

> We had a member some years 
> back with a gorgeous Australian Mini - he moved away, but I wonder if 
> he's moved back to California? We need to get him on some club drives, 
> if so.

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jan 31 17:54:36 2011
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:54:36 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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Calling all XKE owners: Blackhawk Car Museum is celebrating 50 years of our
cars initial production. June 12th...anyone participating through JAG of SF?
Frank Morris

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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] car list

Mark Jansen
69 XKE Roadster  6 or 7
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From giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 18:18:58 2011
From: giannilarosa at sbcglobal.net (gianni)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:18:58 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] car list
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Jeff, if you find a garage in marin for two beauties and, if the price is  
right, I will go in with you.

Gianni 
1962 mk ll mga

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
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Sent: 2011 Feb, Tue, 1 00:22:08 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] car list

Jeff Morley
1967 Sunbeam Alpine    7

also, looking to rent garage space for this little beauty in Fairfax (Mid
Marin).


> [Original Message]
> From: Clif & Deborah Williamson <hawkview at sonic.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/31/2011 2:19:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] car list
>
> We are up to 60 cars.  Wow!  And this doesn't include Dawson!!!
> A few of you have indicated a car for sale.  If any others want, that is 
> cool, but let me know if you sell yours after it is in the list.
> Thanks,
> Clif
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 31 18:25:30 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:25:30 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Liam,
I agree, but I think it is the number of places that the oil comes  
from that really qualifies it.  (No doubt about mine.)
Mark

Mark Darley
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On Jan 31, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Liam O'Flaherty wrote:

> I thought British cars were classified as the ones that leave oil  
> spots in
> your driveway.
> Seems simple to me.
> Liam
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>
>> Works for me.  I will have to come up with a category for non  
>> British,
> British cars.  Any ideas.  Sounds like a fun event.  Where is it?
>> Clif
>> 74 JH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ziedrich
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:51 PM
>> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>>
>> UBSCC deals with it in a very simple manner at the Woodland Car  
>> Show (which
>> I attend yearly)... if you think it's British they will go along  
>> with it.
> At
>> their shows you will see German Cars (MINIs, Bentleys, Daimlers-  
>> licensed
> by
>> German Daimler), Irish or American cars (DeLoreans), Italian,  
>> Spanish, New
>> Zealand, Argentina Cars (Minis), American Cars (English Fords,  
>> Jaguars,
> Nash
>> Healey's & Metro's, Aston Martins), etc. etc. etc....
>>
>> Btw, what is a Mazda? It's been partially owned by Ford for years  
>> and Ford
>> has been doing the primary designing for years?
>> Looking at Wikipedia, Aston Martins are no longer predominantly  
>> owned by
>> Ford but also by Kuwaiti Investors and the cars are manufactured in
> Austria.
>> What would James Bond say?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:49 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>>
>> Peter,
>> You couldn't have said it better.
>> Perhaps it would be best to say, that if a car has British roots,  
>> it is
>> British.  I have a bit of a problem with that, but I can't think of a
> better
>> way to deal with the issue.
>> Clif
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Ziedrich
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:43 PM
>> To: 'North Bay British Car Club'
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>>
>> Where this logic might be sound, then I guess new Jaguars and Land  
>> Rovers
>> aren't British but Indian, and new Bentley Continentals are German  
>> (owned
> by
>> BMW and looks like BMWs), and Aston Martins are American... hmmm...
>> Okay. Does that make recent Jeeps German and later ones Italian?
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is that no cars manufactured today have a  
>> clean
>> pedigree. Almost all Japanese cars sold in the Western hemisphere are
>> manufactured in the US, and most American automobiles are  
>> manufactured
>> and/or assembled in Mexico, Canada, or China. In fact one of the  
>> newer
> Buick
>> models is manufactured in Germany.  I guess most of us believe the  
>> cars
>> pedigree should be assigned to the country where the profits end  
>> up.... but
>> only sometimes.. only when it supports our personal biases.
>>
>> peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Clif & Deborah Williamson
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:08 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>>
>> Thanks Gerry.
>> But what I get from this is that the BMW Mini is not British at all.
> Except
>> for a few part here and there and a similar exterior design, it is  
>> pretty
>> much "GERMAN".  I think almost all manufacturers of cars buy parts  
>> made in
>> other countries, but I don't think because a Toyota or any of it's  
>> parts
> are
>> made in the USA, that it is an American car.  Nor a VW made in  
>> Mexico, is a
>> Mexican car.  In fact it would seem that the only thing that truly  
>> has
>> British heritage on the Mini is the name "Mini", as your  
>> description below
>> would attest.  I don't know if Cooper was the designer of the BMW  
>> Mini, but
>> even that would not change if it was British or not, since  
>> Pininfarina was
>> the designer of many non Italian cars that are not considered Italian
>> including the Jaguar, and Rolls-Royce.
>> Please, don't get me wrong.  I love the Mini, British, or German.   
>> I had an
>> occasion back in 1970 to be hitch hiking in Sweden and was picked  
>> up by a
>> Swed driving a Dodge Charger.  After a few miles of back country  
>> roads a
>> Mini came up behind and past us.  Well this Swed was not going to be
> outdone
>> by a little cracker box so off we went.  And after about 5 miles of
> twisting
>> Swedish roads he gave up.  I was so pumped up by the adrenaline  
>> rush caused
>> by the chase I was shaking when he dropped my off in the middle of no
> where.
>>
>> At that point I realized, that "might does not make right" and fell  
>> crazy
> in
>> love with the Mini.
>> Clif
>> 74 JH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: G. Mugele
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:03 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
>>
>> Ahem...  well Greg, you have the virtue of youth; you're not old
>> enough to really have this down.   However, it was not as straight-
>> forward as all that.
>>
>> BMC built the Austin Seven and Morris Mini-Minor at a couple plants  
>> in
>> England beginning in '59 or so.  The Morris quickly acquired the  
>> sobriquet
>> 'Mini" in popular UK vernacular.  Very soon afterward the Austin also
> became
>> the 'Mini.'  I can only guess that the appellation was the result  
>> of how
>> people described them.  Anyway... as the popularity grew BMC did  
>> some badge
>> engineering and also marketed the Riley Elf and the Wolseley  
>> Hornet, giving
>> them some hideous fins and other awkward cosmetics.  Those poor  
>> cousins
> were
>> also called Minis.
>> Not long after the initial introduction, BMC upped the displacement  
>> to a
>> throbbing hunk of iron displacing 998cc and called it the Austin
>> Mini Cooper or the Morris Mini Cooper.   Those soon  became simply
>> "Mini Coopers."  Time and popularity soon brought us many variants  
>> as well
>> as more and more powerful versions.  Those sporty ones were labeled  
>> with
>> things like 'S' and '1275 S.'
>>
>> Around the time or shortly after BMC became British Leyland, the  
>> company
>> formally adopted the Mini name and the cars were sold under the  
>> 'Mini'
>> label.  Of course by then there were variants all over the
>> world: Italy, Spain, Chile, New Zealand, Belgium and a number of  
>> other
>> countries all had plants.  Some were factory and some were built  
>> under
>> license (Innocenti). I don't know who made the Mini Moke but I  
>> suspect that
>> it was an official BMC product.
>>
>> In the 90s BMW became the parent company by buying Land Rover (Rover
>> Group) from British Aerospace.  At that time Rover Group was owner  
>> of what
>> was left of BMC.  I suspect BMW bought Rover to cover for the lack  
>> of an
> SUV
>> in the market.  When BMW introduced the X5 they quickly dumped Land  
>> Rover
> on
>> Ford and at the same time sold the rest of Rover Group (including  
>> MG) to
>> some British consortium.  But BMW decided to keep
>> the Mini name and opted to build a new model.   The original Mini was
>> out of production by 2000 or so.
>>
>> The BMW Mini is related only in layout and appearance.
>>
>> BTW mine was a '61 Mini Cooper.  It was grossly overpowered :) with  
>> that 55
>> HP beast under the hood.  I am amazed that I survived owning that
> incredibly
>> fun little car: it inspired spirited driving well
>> beyond my skills at the time.   These days, with 400+ HP engines
>> relatively commonplace, it's hard to imagine that 50 years ago 100
>> horsepower was a real handful, especially in our LBCs.
>>
>> This concludes todays lecture.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote:
>>
>>> I'll let John answer to tell you what he wants to call his MINI, but
>>> here's the deal on these cars (I know as we have a 2011 Mini John
>>> Cooper Works (JCW) Hardtop;
>>>
>>> The car company is "MINI", which as owned by BMW differentiates its
>>> name from the original "Mini", which, short version here, was made
>>> both by Austin and Morris in the UK, and other companies overseas
>>> under license during the day.
>>
>> G. Mugele
>> mewgull at mugele.net
>>
>> *** "Life in Lubbock, Texas taught me two things. One is that God  
>> loves you
>> and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most  
>> awful,
>> dirty thing on the face of the earth and you should
>> save it for someone you love." --   Butch Hancock
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From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jan 31 18:36:33 2011
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:36:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
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I have no idea if this is a great example, and it clearly is not a low  
mileage car, but I think it is pretty handsome.  I can imagine some  
interesting banter in the garage between this and my MGA as I turn off  
the lights at night!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130480869868&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Mark Darley
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On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Buy the 4 Andy, you'll love it.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net 
> >
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
>
>
>> I've always loved the TR4A and this one looks real nice and the  
>> color is
>> beautiful.  Where would it go and would the MGs get upset?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:35 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
>>
>> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2169485166.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg Tatarian
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Mon Jan 31 18:46:10 2011
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Update: Craig's car is in pieces as he works on it and hopes to have it 
together for a ride later in the year. He delisted due to the recent 
volume of mail pouring out of this list. (Heh, here's one more Craig)

Ron
58 MGA

Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> That would be Craig Murphy and he is back in Santa Rosa. By an odd 
> coincidence he delisted himself from this list today and I've emailed 
> him to find out what's up. I think family pressures keep him from our 
> rides. His mini is really nice as you said Greg so I hope he can join 
> some of our rides!
> 
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> 
> Greg Tatarian wrote:
> 
>> We had a member some years back with a gorgeous Australian Mini - he 
>> moved away, but I wonder if he's moved back to California? We need to 
>> get him on some club drives, if so.
> 
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 19:08:33 2011
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:08:33 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc] TR4A, anyone?
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Hmm. Twin Webers were not original equipment - wonder what else may have 
been done to the motor, etc. Nice color. Probably best to look at/drive 
it first.
Greg Tatarian



On 1/31/2011 5:36 PM, Mark Darley wrote:
> I have no idea if this is a great example, and it clearly is not a low
> mileage car, but I think it is pretty handsome.  I can imagine some
> interesting banter in the garage between this and my MGA as I turn off
> the lights at night!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130480869868&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 31 19:12:27 2011
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (wkilch at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 02:12:27 +0000
Subject: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis
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Craig's not the only one. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:46:10 
To: North Bay British Car Club<nobbc at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Nobbc] More than you want to know about Minis

Update: Craig's car is in pieces as he works on it and hopes to have it 
together for a ride later in the year. He delisted due to the recent 
volume of mail pouring out of this list. (Heh, here's one more Craig)

Ron
58 MGA

Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> That would be Craig Murphy and he is back in Santa Rosa. By an odd 
> coincidence he delisted himself from this list today and I've emailed 
> him to find out what's up. I think family pressures keep him from our 
> rides. His mini is really nice as you said Greg so I hope he can join 
> some of our rides!
> 
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> 
> Greg Tatarian wrote:
> 
>> We had a member some years back with a gorgeous Australian Mini - he 
>> moved away, but I wonder if he's moved back to California? We need to 
>> get him on some club drives, if so.
> 
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From don at napanet.net  Mon Jan 31 23:48:13 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:48:13 -0800
Subject: [Nobbc]  car list
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Don Scott
Calistoga

1962 MGA Mk 2 roadster (driver condition)
1973 MGB GT (needs finishing touches, and for sale)
1966 TR4A (driver condition)
1963-7 MGB roadster (seeking, so in my dreams)
2001 Miata SE (British in colour)
1971 MGB GT (parts car)