From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 1 15:16:13 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:16:13 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Ban on aftermarket exhausts... Message-ID: <4B8C3CAD.7050309@gmail.com> Hi group, Passing this along from one of my other lists... http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62705 Cheers, Greg Tatarian From mvg1 at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 08:04:40 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:04:40 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan Message-ID: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike> OK, It british, but another goodie from Henry Ford. This is a pristine all stainless steel 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan, only four left , makes the DeLorean look like a kit car. I don't know if these pics will make it through the server, but if not, anyone that wants to view it can just email me, and I will forward them to you. Michael 64 TR4 mvg1 at att.net mvg1 at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael 64 TR4 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:43 AM Subject: Fwd: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan Subject: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan To: 1936 Stainless Steel Ford- This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum Steel. This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in road worthy condition. The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame looking great. All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they removed them from service. These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. The top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them for one year.. The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly smooth and quiet. I thought this was a much better looking automobile than the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the car was insured (we were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered trailer for 1.5 million dollars. We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car parts, making these the last of these cars ever produced. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00022.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00013.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00016.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00019.jpg] From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Mar 2 10:05:06 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:06 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan In-Reply-To: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike> References: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike> Message-ID: <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> Sorry, the list strips attachments. Perhaps you can post them on a photo site like Photobucket or Wallgreens and send us the link...I would like to see them! Ron 58 MGA Mike Gianandrea wrote: > OK, It british, but another goodie from Henry Ford. > > This is a pristine all stainless steel 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan, only four left , > makes the DeLorean look like a kit car. I don't know if these pics will make > it through the server, but if not, anyone that wants to view it can just email > me, and I will forward them to you. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > mvg1 at att.net > mvg1 at verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael 64 TR4 > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:43 AM > Subject: Fwd: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > > Subject: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > To: > > > > > 1936 Stainless Steel Ford- > > This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum > Steel. > This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in > road worthy condition. > > The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame > looking great. All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they > removed them from service. > > > These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. The > top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them for > one year.. > > The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly > smooth and quiet. I thought this was a much better looking automobile than > the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the car was insured (we > were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered trailer for 1.5 million > dollars. > We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car > parts, making these the last of these cars ever produced. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00022.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00013.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00016.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00019.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Tue Mar 2 10:23:22 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan In-Reply-To: <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> References: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike> <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> Message-ID: <002101caba2d$11406d10$33c14730$@com> Go to google and put in: JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:05 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan Sorry, the list strips attachments. Perhaps you can post them on a photo site like Photobucket or Wallgreens and send us the link...I would like to see them! Ron 58 MGA Mike Gianandrea wrote: > OK, It british, but another goodie from Henry Ford. > > This is a pristine all stainless steel 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan, only four left , > makes the DeLorean look like a kit car. I don't know if these pics will make > it through the server, but if not, anyone that wants to view it can just email > me, and I will forward them to you. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > mvg1 at att.net > mvg1 at verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael 64 TR4 > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:43 AM > Subject: Fwd: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > > Subject: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > To: > > > > > 1936 Stainless Steel Ford- > > This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum > Steel. > This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in > road worthy condition. > > The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame > looking great. All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they > removed them from service. > > > These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. The > top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them for > one year.. > > The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly > smooth and quiet. I thought this was a much better looking automobile than > the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the car was insured (we > were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered trailer for 1.5 million > dollars. > We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car > parts, making these the last of these cars ever produced. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00022.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00013.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00016.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00019.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Tue Mar 2 10:24:22 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:24:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan In-Reply-To: <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> References: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike> <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> Message-ID: <002201caba2d$34d68890$9e8399b0$@com> Go to google and put in: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan And it takes you right there JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:05 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan Sorry, the list strips attachments. Perhaps you can post them on a photo site like Photobucket or Wallgreens and send us the link...I would like to see them! Ron 58 MGA Mike Gianandrea wrote: > OK, It british, but another goodie from Henry Ford. > > This is a pristine all stainless steel 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan, only four left , > makes the DeLorean look like a kit car. I don't know if these pics will make > it through the server, but if not, anyone that wants to view it can just email > me, and I will forward them to you. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > mvg1 at att.net > mvg1 at verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael 64 TR4 > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:43 AM > Subject: Fwd: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > > Subject: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > To: > > > > > 1936 Stainless Steel Ford- > > This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum > Steel. > This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in > road worthy condition. > > The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame > looking great. All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they > removed them from service. > > > These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. The > top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them for > one year.. > > The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly > smooth and quiet. I thought this was a much better looking automobile than > the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the car was insured (we > were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered trailer for 1.5 million > dollars. > We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car > parts, making these the last of these cars ever produced. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00022.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00013.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00016.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00019.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From bluesson at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 11:31:23 2010 From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:31:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan In-Reply-To: <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> References: <73083A8A726B45E0B9D15601DE0A74F2@mike>, <4B8D4542.6010701@sonic.net> Message-ID: I've seen that 36 elsewhere. It's neat, but I'm more of a fan of the 41 Ford Henry built...body panels were made out of some hemp type material. Look it up. Tom p.s. So when somebody tells you they just SMOKED a Ford, don't be sure that they beat them in a race. > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:05:06 -0800 > From: nobbc at sonic.net > To: nobbc at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > Sorry, the list strips attachments. Perhaps you can post them on a photo > site like Photobucket or Wallgreens and send us the link...I would like > to see them! > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Mike Gianandrea wrote: > > OK, It british, but another goodie from Henry Ford. > > > > This is a pristine all stainless steel 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan, only four left , > > makes the DeLorean look like a kit car. I don't know if these pics will make > > it through the server, but if not, anyone that wants to view it can just email > > me, and I will forward them to you. > > > > Michael > > 64 TR4 > > mvg1 at att.net > > mvg1 at verizon.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael 64 TR4 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:43 AM > > Subject: Fwd: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > > > > > Subject: 1936 Ford Stainless Sedan > > To: > > > > > > > > > > 1936 Stainless Steel Ford- > > > > This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum > > Steel. > > This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in > > road worthy condition. > > > > The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame > > looking great. All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they > > removed them from service. > > > > > > These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. The > > top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them for > > one year.. > > > > The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly > > smooth and quiet. I thought this was a much better looking automobile than > > the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the car was insured (we > > were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered trailer for 1.5 million > > dollars. > > We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car > > parts, making these the last of these cars ever produced. > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00022.jpg] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00013.jpg] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00016.jpg] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00019.jpg] > > _______________________________________________ > > Nobbc mailing list > > Nobbc at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From wbain at sonic.net Tue Mar 2 12:21:55 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Ban on aftermarket exhausts... In-Reply-To: <4B8C3CAD.7050309@gmail.com> References: <4B8C3CAD.7050309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87F919D1-D248-4C4E-9753-4031B745180D@sonic.net> Thanks Greg, Good to know about these things. Cheers, Wendell On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi group, > Passing this along from one of my other lists... > > http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62705 > > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mvg1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 3 14:22:03 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:22:03 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: S.B. 106 Message-ID: Here you go team, Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Luz Robles To: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: S.B. 106 Dear Michael Gianandrea, Thank you for your email. SB 106, Motor Vehicle Noise Emission Standards, was officially abandoned March 1st and so will not become law this year. I would like you to know that I had planned to vote against it. Have a wonderful day! Senator Luz Robles >>> 3/1/2010 5:00 PM >>> Dear Senator Robles, I am wrighting you in regards to the S.B. 106 bill to ban aftermarket exhaust systems that are un-modified and installed by the original manufacturer. This bill not only neglects that fact that a great a many of these exhaust systems are far superior to most older OEM systems in construction and efficiency, and far exceed the functional specifications of the OEM equipment, and as common sense would dictate, these OEM exhaust systems are not available for millions of vehicles still on the road today. Also, a great many vehicle and parts manufacturers are no longer around to service older vehicles. As the owner of a 1964 Triumph, and a 1987 Chevrolet Camaro, that are always well maintained, and in better running condition than most 'new' vehicles, I strongly urge you to vote against this rediculous piece of legislation, and focus on legislation that will better benefit the population of Utah, and the rest o he U.S. Michael Gianandrea MVG Molded Products 1028 Clegg Court Petaluma, CA 94954 Tel 707-766-9405 FX 707-766-8253 sales at mvgmoldeproducts.com From jkenner at tamcab.com Sat Mar 6 14:27:36 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 13:27:36 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Message-ID: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! When's the next ride? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mvg1 at verizon.net Sat Mar 6 17:13:47 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:13:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> Message-ID: <178F9ED1D0704DB8842E00366EF71944@mike> I took my baby out today. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kenner" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Sat Mar 6 18:01:32 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (MarkDarley) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:01:32 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: <178F9ED1D0704DB8842E00366EF71944@mike> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <178F9ED1D0704DB8842E00366EF71944@mike> Message-ID: <0DA4ED0C-1BF0-4115-8B5E-AFB39B567C76@mac.com> Me too! MarkDarleyPhoto.com Cell 415-310-5252 Sent from location. On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > I took my baby out today. > > Michael 64 TR4 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kenner" > To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:27 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > >> ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! >> >> >> >> When's the next ride? >> >> >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> >> 415 806 2457 C >> >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >> tamalpais_s >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a >> name of image001.gif] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mowog at sonic.net Sat Mar 6 20:46:57 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:46:57 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Message-ID: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> Today was the day I got the carbs back on the MGB after 6 months. Taken off to make way for the rebuilt brake master cyl. "While I am at it" I might as well replace the brake pipes and while I am at it I should remove the master cylinder cage and de-rust and re paint it. And while I am at it, I should de-rust, prime and paint the engine bay where the master cylinders have leaked over 40 odd years and created a rusty mess. Oh, and while they were off, one of the SU jets broke. So on this sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland day, I got the repaired carbs back on, filled the rad with coolant, turned on the ignition, (no fuel leaks!!!) and "VAROOM!!!" started on first crank. Now if I can get the brake and clutch hydraulics bled and working, I may, just may get to enjoy the sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland Sunday. Fingers crossed. You know, "while I am at it", I should replace the cherry bomb muffler with that straight pipe I've been planning on. You know, while the car is still up in the air. While I am at it.......... -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From jamesechristian at yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 22:09:19 2010 From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:09:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday In-Reply-To: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> References: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> Message-ID: <363876.97534.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Had a lovely time getting the XKE on the road, and even better, smoked some jackass in a Corvette on Highway 1. Nothing like a Jag at speed! Oh, yea, the weather was delightful, too! ________________________________ From: Rod Williams To: Nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 7:46:57 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Today was the day I got the carbs back on the MGB after 6 months. Taken off to make way for the rebuilt brake master cyl. "While I am at it" I might as well replace the brake pipes and while I am at it I should remove the master cylinder cage and de-rust and re paint it. And while I am at it, I should de-rust, prime and paint the engine bay where the master cylinders have leaked over 40 odd years and created a rusty mess. Oh, and while they were off, one of the SU jets broke. So on this sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland day, I got the repaired carbs back on, filled the rad with coolant, turned on the ignition, (no fuel leaks!!!) and "VAROOM!!!" started on first crank. Now if I can get the brake and clutch hydraulics bled and working, I may, just may get to enjoy the sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland Sunday. Fingers crossed. You know, "while I am at it", I should replace the cherry bomb muffler with that straight pipe I've been planning on. You know, while the car is still up in the air. While I am at it.......... -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jamesechristian at yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 22:09:19 2010 From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:09:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday In-Reply-To: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> References: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> Message-ID: <363876.97534.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Had a lovely time getting the XKE on the road, and even better, smoked some jackass in a Corvette on Highway 1. Nothing like a Jag at speed! Oh, yea, the weather was delightful, too! ________________________________ From: Rod Williams To: Nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 7:46:57 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Today was the day I got the carbs back on the MGB after 6 months. Taken off to make way for the rebuilt brake master cyl. "While I am at it" I might as well replace the brake pipes and while I am at it I should remove the master cylinder cage and de-rust and re paint it. And while I am at it, I should de-rust, prime and paint the engine bay where the master cylinders have leaked over 40 odd years and created a rusty mess. Oh, and while they were off, one of the SU jets broke. So on this sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland day, I got the repaired carbs back on, filled the rad with coolant, turned on the ignition, (no fuel leaks!!!) and "VAROOM!!!" started on first crank. Now if I can get the brake and clutch hydraulics bled and working, I may, just may get to enjoy the sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland Sunday. Fingers crossed. You know, "while I am at it", I should replace the cherry bomb muffler with that straight pipe I've been planning on. You know, while the car is still up in the air. While I am at it.......... -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Sun Mar 7 10:05:22 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:05:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday In-Reply-To: <363876.97534.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <9BB3DA6F-7B1D-4544-A0A7-C0645200B0A1@sonic.net> <363876.97534.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008901cabe18$60520140$20f603c0$@com> THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES LIFE WORTHWHILE! I LOVE TO PASS MIATA'S AND HARLEYS WITH MY LOTUS ELAN! JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Christian Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:09 PM To: North Bay British Car Club; Nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Had a lovely time getting the XKE on the road, and even better, smoked some jackass in a Corvette on Highway 1. Nothing like a Jag at speed! Oh, yea, the weather was delightful, too! ________________________________ From: Rod Williams To: Nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 7:46:57 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Today was the day I got the carbs back on the MGB after 6 months. Taken off to make way for the rebuilt brake master cyl. "While I am at it" I might as well replace the brake pipes and while I am at it I should remove the master cylinder cage and de-rust and re paint it. And while I am at it, I should de-rust, prime and paint the engine bay where the master cylinders have leaked over 40 odd years and created a rusty mess. Oh, and while they were off, one of the SU jets broke. So on this sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland day, I got the repaired carbs back on, filled the rad with coolant, turned on the ignition, (no fuel leaks!!!) and "VAROOM!!!" started on first crank. Now if I can get the brake and clutch hydraulics bled and working, I may, just may get to enjoy the sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland Sunday. Fingers crossed. You know, "while I am at it", I should replace the cherry bomb muffler with that straight pipe I've been planning on. You know, while the car is still up in the air. While I am at it.......... -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From morrisf at SIDWater.org Sun Mar 7 12:40:26 2010 From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday In-Reply-To: <363876.97534.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB1975@echo01.SID.LOCAL> Beware of Deadman's Curve!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ; Nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Sat Mar 06 21:09:19 2010 Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Had a lovely time getting the XKE on the road, and even better, smoked some jackass in a Corvette on Highway 1. Nothing like a Jag at speed! Oh, yea, the weather was delightful, too! ________________________________ From: Rod Williams To: Nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 7:46:57 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Sunny Saturday Today was the day I got the carbs back on the MGB after 6 months. Taken off to make way for the rebuilt brake master cyl. "While I am at it" I might as well replace the brake pipes and while I am at it I should remove the master cylinder cage and de-rust and re paint it. And while I am at it, I should de-rust, prime and paint the engine bay where the master cylinders have leaked over 40 odd years and created a rusty mess. Oh, and while they were off, one of the SU jets broke. So on this sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland day, I got the repaired carbs back on, filled the rad with coolant, turned on the ignition, (no fuel leaks!!!) and "VAROOM!!!" started on first crank. Now if I can get the brake and clutch hydraulics bled and working, I may, just may get to enjoy the sunny, beautiful, green as Ireland Sunday. Fingers crossed. You know, "while I am at it", I should replace the cherry bomb muffler with that straight pipe I've been planning on. You know, while the car is still up in the air. While I am at it.......... -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 8 12:22:55 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:22:55 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> Message-ID: <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend (20th)? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 8 13:10:57 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:10:57 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil cap for a vented one. What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening everything I could get my hands on! The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. Thanks Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 From Kris.Klein at sage.com Mon Mar 8 13:57:42 2010 From: Kris.Klein at sage.com (Klein, Kris) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:57:42 -0500 Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: Does anyone want to sell a used tire that they have sitting around for a reasonable price? My spare tire is toast and I don't want to buy a brand new one to sit in my trunk just in case for $175. It is for my Austin Healey 3000 BT7 and needs to be size 185 HR15. Thanks, Krissy Klein 1959 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 From liamof at earthlink.net Mon Mar 8 14:13:41 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:13:41 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Mark, Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the carb air cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from the valve cover free of my carbs just because my carb air cleaner doesn't have a connection for the breather pipe.) Also make sure the breather pipe from the tappet cover is not clogged. If one of these two breather pipes is clogged you will build up pressure in your crankcase and you will be getting a lot of oil from your front oil felt seal at your pulley. Good luck, Liam 57 mga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA > will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil cap > for a vented one. > > What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil in > the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? > > If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet covered > in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. > > General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening > everything I could get my hands on! > > The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 8 14:18:12 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:18:12 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4B956994.7080801@sonic.net> I don't think there is ANY logic in removing the breather pipe (I'm guessing you mean the one from the valve cover to the carb and not the road draft tube). Ron 58 MGA Mark Darley wrote: > It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA > will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil cap > for a vented one. > > What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil > in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? > > If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet > covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. > > General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening > everything I could get my hands on! > > The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 8 14:40:18 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:40:18 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: <96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com> Liam, I am about to replace the filters with modern K&N filters from Moss. If the breather pipe cannot be connected, how did you dead end it? Is it cut off and floating, or did you attach it to something? Thanks for the suggestion on the tappet breather pipe. I will check it out. Maybe that is why my front oil felt seal is leaking. Had a great day on the Bay yesterday on an FD out of RYC. Last Midwinter. Drove the car over and it got a lot of comments! Cheers Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 8, 2010, at 1:13 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: > Mark, > Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the carb > air cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from the valve > cover free of my carbs just because my carb air cleaner doesn't > have a connection for the breather pipe.) Also make sure the > breather pipe from the tappet cover is not clogged. If one of > these two breather pipes is clogged you will build up pressure in > your crankcase and you will be getting a lot of oil from your front > oil felt seal at your pulley. > Good luck, > Liam > 57 mga > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > > >> It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on >> the MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should >> exchange the oil cap for a vented one. >> >> What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply >> that oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the >> carbs? >> >> If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet >> covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. >> >> General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening >> everything I could get my hands on! >> >> The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. >> >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> >> Mark Darley >> markdarley at mac.com >> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mowog at sonic.net Mon Mar 8 14:54:01 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:54:01 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Spare Message-ID: <50E46423-B1C3-4976-ADD1-70DED7FF76A5@sonic.net> > My spare tire is toast and I don't want to buy a brand new > one to sit in my trunk just in case Krissy, You might try going by "Petaluma Tire Source" on Petaluma Blvd. He has an amazing collection of used tires out back that he'll sell cheap. He found one that was an exact match; brand, size, everything, for my '67 MGB once. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 15:10:13 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:10:13 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Message-ID: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> Hi Folks, Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, with the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our schedules to coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a gearbox session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm that up and let you all know as soon as possible. Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), Greg Tatarian From jkenner at tamcab.com Mon Mar 8 15:32:28 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:32:28 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000601cabf0f$3d91f230$b8b5d690$@com> How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend (20th)? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From liamof at earthlink.net Mon Mar 8 17:47:04 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:47:04 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net><000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com> Message-ID: <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Hi Mark, I just have about two feet of hose and it hangs next to my distributer. It smokes a little but it is about the same as the tappet breather pipe which is also just exposed to the atmosphere. It makes sense to plumb it through the carbs so the carbs "suck" the vent gases through the engine. I just haven't gotten around to it. I think a vented cap should also help. I picked mine up from moss about 20 years ago. If you want to go with K&N filters check out a search with MG Experience in the MGB section for a really cool mounting system which also incorporated a flared opening for the SU carbs which helps the airflow. It was on the later model mgbs which is a direct bolt on for the mga carbs.It gives you lots more air flow than the stock filter set up. I have Stub Stacks on mine and they give me about 2 or 3 more horsepower. air flow is everything with these carbs. I also noticed a few people selling the early mgb timing covers on ebay which may the way to go. The timing marks seem to be in the same place as the mga so you should be able to use your own pully. I have an early 1963 18G MGB engine in my garage if you want to see what one looks like. I also have a cherry picker if you want to borrow it to help you pull up the engine a few inches to access every thing. I could give you a hand if you need it. Liam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > Liam, > > I am about to replace the filters with modern K&N filters from Moss. If > the breather pipe cannot be connected, how did you dead end it? Is it cut > off and floating, or did you attach it to something? > > Thanks for the suggestion on the tappet breather pipe. I will check it > out. Maybe that is why my front oil felt seal is leaking. > > Had a great day on the Bay yesterday on an FD out of RYC. Last Midwinter. > Drove the car over and it got a lot of comments! > > Cheers > Mark > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 1:13 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: > >> Mark, >> Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the carb air >> cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from the valve cover >> free of my carbs just because my carb air cleaner doesn't have a >> connection for the breather pipe.) Also make sure the breather pipe >> from the tappet cover is not clogged. If one of these two breather >> pipes is clogged you will build up pressure in your crankcase and you >> will be getting a lot of oil from your front oil felt seal at your >> pulley. >> Good luck, >> Liam >> 57 mga >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA >> >> >>> It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA >>> will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil >>> cap for a vented one. >>> >>> What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil >>> in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? >>> >>> If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet >>> covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. >>> >>> General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening >>> everything I could get my hands on! >>> >>> The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> Mark Darley >>> markdarley at mac.com >>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 17:52:06 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:52:06 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: I second the breather pipe suggestions. Short of installing most of the MGB breather arrangement it seems that there is no way to have the MGA engine NOT drop oil on the highway. Either through the blow-by from the crank-case out the tappet cover pipe and/or out the rocker cover pipe (from the valve stem seals). If one connects the rocker pipe to the carbs, then it is possible to scavenge the rockers, but that still results in oil loss! You choose, oil past the front oil seal or tappet/rocker breather. Remember that one of the endearing features of 1950's technology was the way it kept mechanics and gas stations (Castrol R) in employment! BTW, I am more than usually absent from the rides this winter. The MGA is in "my shop" to install new radiator, oil cooler and front shock. I will take the chance to restore the radiator intake grille as well so I do not mess up those club pictures next time we all go to Goat Rock. Now oysters at Marshall could almost make me rush the works in hand but I know that April will be the earliest I will complete things. Tim -------------------------------------------------- From: "liam oflaherty" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:13 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > Mark, > Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the carb air > cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from the valve cover free > of my carbs just because my carb air cleaner doesn't have a connection for > the breather pipe.) Also make sure the breather pipe from the tappet > cover is not clogged. If one of these two breather pipes is clogged you > will build up pressure in your crankcase and you will be getting a lot of > oil from your front oil felt seal at your pulley. > Good luck, > Liam > 57 mga > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Darley" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > > >> It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA >> will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil cap >> for a vented one. >> >> What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil >> in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? >> >> If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet >> covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. >> >> General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening >> everything I could get my hands on! >> >> The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. >> >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> >> Mark Darley >> markdarley at mac.com >> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From home at drummondlaw.com Mon Mar 8 18:28:17 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:28:17 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> Greg, That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help with food, set-up, etc? Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Hi Folks, Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, with the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our schedules to coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a gearbox session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm that up and let you all know as soon as possible. Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), Greg Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From don at napanet.net Mon Mar 8 18:28:12 2010 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:28:12 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] my search for an MGB In-Reply-To: <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com> <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: <20100309015021.9D81B24BA68@mail.napanet.net> Hi Guys, I hope this is not a violation of protocol, but . . . I have been trying to find a nice original spec early (pre '68) MGB for long time now. I have a Mk 2 MGA which is a "survivor" or a "driver" which I could trade toward an MGB that is in better condition than my A. If I buy a B rather than trade, I don't want to let go the MGA until I get the MGB. Any tips on locating such a car would be greatly appreciated. One needing some work might be a possiblity too. Such cars do not come up for sale often, as I think that many of the surviving ones in the US have taken boat rides to other places. Thanks! Don Scott Calistoga From home at drummondlaw.com Mon Mar 8 18:33:37 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:33:37 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: <000601cabf0f$3d91f230$b8b5d690$@com> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000601cabf0f$3d91f230$b8b5d690$@com> Message-ID: <9BC8CA2591F0449689D4148F5CB36E00@dandebbie> John, That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to Tony's, which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. There's one place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on weekends they have valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and I'm loathe to hand my keys over to persons unknown. South County and Marin have lots of great roads and destinations. Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Kenner Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend (20th)? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 8 19:06:29 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:06:29 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: Mark, I don't understand the reason for disconnecting the valve cover breather pipe from the front air cleaner. It's meant to capture the oil vapor and prevent it from going into the air. If you fit the K&N filters you will need to perform some minor surgery to the front K&N air filter. The K&N filters have a wide rubber seal around the perimeter, which will block the vent opening in the front air filter plate so that the breather pipe will be blocked. Not a good idea. It's easy to fix by cutting a W shape with a utility knife in the rubber seal of the K&N filter. The MGA Guru, Barney Gaylord shows how to do it on his website, WWW.mgaguru.com. Go to the Carburetor and Exhaust, section CB 201. When I fitted them to my car I did not grind the inner pedestals down as Barney suggests. I made 2 gaskets out of Cork and placed them either side of the K&N filters to take up the extra play in the filter housing. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Darley Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:11 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the oil cap for a vented one. What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening everything I could get my hands on! The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. Thanks Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 8 19:07:55 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> <99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> Message-ID: <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> Greg, Sounds interesting. If you can avoid the second saturday in the month........... On the topic of gearboxes: I seem to be having trouble avoiding crunching when shifting down from 3rd to 2nd (except when really low revs), and getting up through the gate from 2nd to 3rd seems to be getting stiffer. (Only driven 500 miles or so since I got it on the road). I double de-clutch from 1st to 2nd but rely on the synch between 2nd and 3rd, at least coming down. Oil in gearbox is right and fresh. The car was stored for 4 years before I got it. Car has about 52,000 miles on it and according the the original owner, she cannot remember having the clutch or gearbox rebuilt. Any suggestions as to what the trouble might be?.....hoping it is simpler than rebuilding the gearbox.... As a new owner, part of the problem is I am not really sure how smooth the gate should feel. The MGA I had for 6 weeks in 1974 was a beater and no guide! I think I need a volunteer to drive the car and give me feedback. Any MGA owners up for a test drive in Mill Valley? Mark Mark Darley. 58 MGA markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Dan wrote: > Greg, > > That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help > with food, > set-up, etc? > > Dan > 66 MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > > Hi Folks, > > Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to > include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, > with > the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. > > Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our > schedules to > coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a > gearbox > session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. > > We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm > that up and let you all know as soon as possible. > > Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), > > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Mon Mar 8 19:11:09 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:11:09 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] OYSTERS In-Reply-To: <9BC8CA2591F0449689D4148F5CB36E00@dandebbie> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000601cabf0f$3d91f230$b8b5d690$@com> <9BC8CA2591F0449689D4148F5CB36E00@dandebbie> Message-ID: <002501cabf2d$caca0070$605e0150$@com> THE PLACE WITH THE PARKING IS NICKS COVE. IT USED TO BE GREAT BUT THEN GOT BOUGHT BY BIG RESTAURANT MONEY AND THEY TURNED IT INTO YUPPIE JUNK. TONY'S IS GREAT. BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE MARSHALL STORE AND HEARD TODAY THAT IT'S GREAT ALSO AND EASIER FOR A CAR CLUB. JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:34 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY John, That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to Tony's, which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. There's one place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on weekends they have valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and I'm loathe to hand my keys over to persons unknown. South County and Marin have lots of great roads and destinations. Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Kenner Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend (20th)? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 19:31:34 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:31:34 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: <9BC8CA2591F0449689D4148F5CB36E00@dandebbie> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com><4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000601cabf0f$3d91f230$b8b5d690$@com> <9BC8CA2591F0449689D4148F5CB36E00@dandebbie> Message-ID: Dan, The place you mention is Hog Island Oyster Co. he Marshall store is smaller, but can also be pretty busy. There is Marshall PO right across Hwy 1 , which will be closed on Saturday so would be a great place to park up for the crowd. Tim 58 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:33 PM To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > John, > > That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to Tony's, > which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. There's > one > place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on weekends they have > valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and I'm loathe to hand my > keys over to persons unknown. South County and Marin have lots of great > roads and destinations. > > Dan > 66 MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of John Kenner > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) > Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend > (20th)? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: >> ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! >> >> >> >> When's the next ride? >> >> >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> >> 415 806 2457 C >> >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >> tamalpais_s >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 8 19:31:39 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com> <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: Liam, Wow, thanks for the offer of the cherry picker and an extra hand. At this point I think I need to keep it simple and drive until I really have to pull the car off the road to fix something serious like a major oil leak or gearbox. I am enjoying driving it too much to pull it to pieces unless I have to! On that note, how do you recommend I discover if the tappet vent pipe is clear? Getting to the top end looks tough at first glance without removing the carbs. At least the bottom end appears NOT to be full of road debris. Can I assume it is unlikely to be plugged further up? What would be plugging it? What next? Care to rendezvous for you to test drive the car and give me some feedback on the condition of the gearbox? Cheers Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:47 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: > Hi Mark, > I just have about two feet of hose and it hangs next to my > distributer. It smokes a little but it is about the same as the > tappet breather pipe which is also just exposed to the atmosphere. > It makes sense to plumb it through the carbs so the carbs "suck" > the vent gases through the engine. I just haven't gotten around to > it. I think a vented cap should also help. I picked mine up from > moss about 20 years ago. If you want to go with K&N filters check > out a search with MG Experience in the MGB section for a really > cool mounting system which also incorporated a flared opening for > the SU carbs which helps the airflow. It was on the later model > mgbs which is a direct bolt on for the mga carbs.It gives you lots > more air flow than the stock filter set up. I have Stub Stacks on > mine and they give me about 2 or 3 more horsepower. air flow is > everything with these carbs. I also noticed a few people selling > the early mgb timing covers on ebay which may the way to go. The > timing marks seem to be in the same place as the mga so you should > be able to use your own pully. I have an early 1963 18G MGB > engine in my garage if you want to see what one looks like. I also > have a cherry picker if you want to borrow it to help you pull up > the engine a few inches to access every thing. I could give you a > hand if you need it. > Liam > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > > >> Liam, >> >> I am about to replace the filters with modern K&N filters from >> Moss. If the breather pipe cannot be connected, how did you dead >> end it? Is it cut off and floating, or did you attach it to >> something? >> >> Thanks for the suggestion on the tappet breather pipe. I will >> check it out. Maybe that is why my front oil felt seal is leaking. >> >> Had a great day on the Bay yesterday on an FD out of RYC. Last >> Midwinter. Drove the car over and it got a lot of comments! >> >> Cheers >> Mark >> >> Mark Darley >> markdarley at mac.com >> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2010, at 1:13 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the >>> carb air cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from >>> the valve cover free of my carbs just because my carb air >>> cleaner doesn't have a connection for the breather pipe.) Also >>> make sure the breather pipe from the tappet cover is not >>> clogged. If one of these two breather pipes is clogged you will >>> build up pressure in your crankcase and you will be getting a >>> lot of oil from your front oil felt seal at your pulley. >>> Good luck, >>> Liam >>> 57 mga >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" >>> >>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA >>> >>> >>>> It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on >>>> the MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should >>>> exchange the oil cap for a vented one. >>>> >>>> What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply >>>> that oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the >>>> carbs? >>>> >>>> If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the >>>> bonnet covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. >>>> >>>> General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening >>>> everything I could get my hands on! >>>> >>>> The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark Darley >>>> markdarley at mac.com >>>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nobbc mailing list >>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 19:33:05 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 02:33:05 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Message-ID: Hi Dan, Thanks so much for the offer. This will be a pot luck BBQ, but if you want to and are able to show up early to help set up that would be very much appreciate! More to come... Cheers, Greg ------Original Message------ From: Dan Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'North Bay British Car Club' ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Sent: Mar 8, 2010 5:28 PM Greg, That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help with food, set-up, etc? Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Hi Folks, Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, with the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our schedules to coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a gearbox session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm that up and let you all know as soon as possible. Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), Greg Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 8 19:34:45 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:34:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: Andy, Thanks for the extra gasket tip. I must say I do not like the idea of cutting into any parts of an original car in good condition unless there is really no other option. Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 8, 2010, at 6:06 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I don't understand the reason for disconnecting the valve cover > breather pipe from the front air cleaner. It's meant to capture > the oil > vapor and prevent it from going into the air. If you fit the K&N > filters > you will need to perform some minor surgery to the front K&N air > filter. > The K&N filters have a wide rubber seal around the perimeter, which > will > block the vent opening in the front air filter plate so that the > breather > pipe will be blocked. Not a good idea. It's easy to fix by > cutting a W > shape with a utility knife in the rubber seal of the K&N filter. > The MGA > Guru, Barney Gaylord shows how to do it on his website, > WWW.mgaguru.com. Go > to the Carburetor and Exhaust, section CB 201. When I fitted them > to my car > I did not grind the inner pedestals down as Barney suggests. I made 2 > gaskets out of Cork and placed them either side of the K&N filters > to take > up the extra play in the filter housing. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Darley > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:11 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > > It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the > MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the > oil cap for a vented one. > > What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that > oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? > > If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet > covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. > > General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening > everything I could get my hands on! > > The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Mon Mar 8 19:35:12 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:35:12 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com><99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> Message-ID: Mark, Sounds as though you may have a worn layshaft /bearings. It could also be the synchro cones. You have to strip the box to fix both matters so do them all at once. At a certain point the wear will result in a mis-alignment which will prove fatal (ie no engagement in any gear). Mine stuck in neutral luckily but I am not sure that is guaranteed. Perhaps the group has a recommendation for a good tranny shop if you do not wish to do it yourself or become a project day! Tim 1958 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Darley" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:07 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > Greg, > > Sounds interesting. If you can avoid the second saturday in the > month........... > > On the topic of gearboxes: > > I seem to be having trouble avoiding crunching when shifting down > from 3rd to 2nd (except when really low revs), and getting up through > the gate from 2nd to 3rd seems to be getting stiffer. (Only driven > 500 miles or so since I got it on the road). I double de-clutch from > 1st to 2nd but rely on the synch between 2nd and 3rd, at least coming > down. Oil in gearbox is right and fresh. The car was stored for 4 > years before I got it. > Car has about 52,000 miles on it and according the the original > owner, she cannot remember having the clutch or gearbox rebuilt. > > Any suggestions as to what the trouble might be?.....hoping it is > simpler than rebuilding the gearbox.... > > As a new owner, part of the problem is I am not really sure how > smooth the gate should feel. The MGA I had for 6 weeks in 1974 was a > beater and no guide! > > I think I need a volunteer to drive the car and give me feedback. > Any MGA owners up for a test drive in Mill Valley? > > Mark > > Mark Darley. 58 MGA > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Dan wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help >> with food, >> set-up, etc? >> >> Dan >> 66 MGB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Greg Tatarian >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to >> include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, >> with >> the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. >> >> Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our >> schedules to >> coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a >> gearbox >> session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. >> >> We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm >> that up and let you all know as soon as possible. >> >> Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), >> >> Greg Tatarian >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 19:49:47 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:49:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> <99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B95B74B.5060805@gmail.com> Hi Mark, Gear clashing is usually, but not always, the result of worn synchro rings, but other causes are incorrect oil level or type, worn or bent shift forks and/or rods, or banged up dog teeth on the gears or synchro sliders (hubs). Rarely, a worn shift lever mechanism can be at fault. Synchros are brass, soft, and meant to wear out. Sitting with old oil can also cause them to corrode (or erode, really), as will using an incorrect oil type with the wrong additives. Oils were pretty simple compared to today... It's been awhile since I drove an MGA and others on the list can answer the question of how the shift should feel, but I have driven many MGBs, including early 'boxes with no first gear synchro (so pretty much the same as your "A" 'box). I never found a clashing gearbox that didn't have some problem, and good gearboxes always shifted well and rather precisely. You can buy some time by either rev-matching when downshifting or double de-clutching, but it's tougher if you are clashing going up from 2nd to 3rd. That usually demands a very slow shift and a throttle blip. If no member in your area steps up to give your car a test drive I'll be happy to do it. I'm in Santa Rosa, and have done many vehicle inspections and test drives for prospective buyers. Cheers, Greg Mark Darley wrote: > Greg, > > Sounds interesting. If you can avoid the second saturday in the > month........... > > On the topic of gearboxes: > > I seem to be having trouble avoiding crunching when shifting down > from 3rd to 2nd (except when really low revs), and getting up through > the gate from 2nd to 3rd seems to be getting stiffer. (Only driven > 500 miles or so since I got it on the road). I double de-clutch from > 1st to 2nd but rely on the synch between 2nd and 3rd, at least coming > down. Oil in gearbox is right and fresh. The car was stored for 4 > years before I got it. > Car has about 52,000 miles on it and according the the original > owner, she cannot remember having the clutch or gearbox rebuilt. > > Any suggestions as to what the trouble might be?.....hoping it is > simpler than rebuilding the gearbox.... > > As a new owner, part of the problem is I am not really sure how > smooth the gate should feel. The MGA I had for 6 weeks in 1974 was a > beater and no guide! > > I think I need a volunteer to drive the car and give me feedback. > Any MGA owners up for a test drive in Mill Valley? > > Mark > > Mark Darley. 58 MGA > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 8 20:09:15 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:09:15 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com> <99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B95BBDB.7030500@sonic.net> Every MGA I've driven including my own, had to be double clutched to get from 3rd to 2nd (except at very slow speeds)...nature of the beast. First can only be gotten when stopped. The shift from 2nd to 3rd should be smooth however. Ron 58 MGA Mark Darley wrote: > Greg, > > Sounds interesting. If you can avoid the second saturday in the > month........... > > On the topic of gearboxes: > > I seem to be having trouble avoiding crunching when shifting down > from 3rd to 2nd (except when really low revs), and getting up through > the gate from 2nd to 3rd seems to be getting stiffer. (Only driven > 500 miles or so since I got it on the road). I double de-clutch from > 1st to 2nd but rely on the synch between 2nd and 3rd, at least coming > down. Oil in gearbox is right and fresh. The car was stored for 4 > years before I got it. > Car has about 52,000 miles on it and according the the original > owner, she cannot remember having the clutch or gearbox rebuilt. > > Any suggestions as to what the trouble might be?.....hoping it is > simpler than rebuilding the gearbox.... > > As a new owner, part of the problem is I am not really sure how > smooth the gate should feel. The MGA I had for 6 weeks in 1974 was a > beater and no guide! > > I think I need a volunteer to drive the car and give me feedback. > Any MGA owners up for a test drive in Mill Valley? > > Mark > > Mark Darley. 58 MGA > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Dan wrote: > > >>Greg, >> >>That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help >>with food, >>set-up, etc? >> >>Dan >>66 MGB >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- >>bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Greg Tatarian >>Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM >>To: North Bay British Car Club >>Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to >>include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, >>with >>the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. >> >>Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our >>schedules to >>coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a >>gearbox >>session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. >> >>We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm >>that up and let you all know as soon as possible. >> >>Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), >> >>Greg Tatarian >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 20:34:42 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:34:42 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com><99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie> <25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B95C1D2.5030200@gmail.com> Tim, With respect, I would not look towards the layshaft or layshaft bearings as the first most likely cause for gear clashing. This is based on the noise commonly associated with worn layshaft bearings or layshaft, present either in one or two gears, or sometimes in all. Also, synchros will generally wear more rapidly than the layshaft or its bearings, unless the 'box was run low on oil. While I agree with your observation that a worn layshaft or bearings will cause gear misalignment, Mark did not cite those symptoms, only gear clashing between 2nd and 3rd. I'm not sure that an MGA 'box is immune to this in the first place; the Alfa gearbox is known for early wear on 2nd gear synchros and constant need of slow and stately shifting in order to save the synchros. My experience with MGB's is that they synchros never last that long anyway. It might simply be that Mark's 'box is not really defective, just a typical 50k mile MGA box that's getting a bit worn... hopefully Ron or someone else can weigh in on this. It is always possible that a change in gear oil can minimize clashing (I bought myself a few months by switching to Redline MTL before finally yanking and rebuilding the 'box in my Lotus). If the 'box does have problems, I'd still lean towards worn synchros first, but not discount the other possible causes I mentioned in my earlier email. I do agree with you that if the 'box is truly in need of synchros, it doesn't make sense to fix or replace only those parts, which are readily available and not that expensive. A full rebuild can be a painfully costly exercise for some gearboxes; my Alfa 'box bearings cost 4x more than those for the Lotus - not to mention the synchros and other parts! I can do a full rebuild on a Lotus/Ford 2000E box for a few hundred $ in parts, while the Alfa has me in for $1,000 and I'm not even done yet!I'm not a professional gearbox mechanic, but I've built 7 of them now, and have disassembled about 11, and I've found many symptoms to be pretty diagnostic. Feel free to correct me, Tim if your experience is more extensive than mine - I'm always trying to learn more about everything! Cheers, Greg Tim Thresh wrote: > Mark, > > Sounds as though you may have a worn layshaft /bearings. It could also > be the synchro cones. You have to strip the box to fix both matters so > do them all at once. At a certain point the wear will result in a > mis-alignment which will prove fatal (ie no engagement in any gear). > Mine stuck in neutral luckily but I am not sure that is guaranteed. > > Perhaps the group has a recommendation for a good tranny shop if you > do not wish to do it yourself or become a project day! > > Tim > 1958 MGA > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mark Darley" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:07 PM > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session From jamesechristian at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 20:54:18 2010 From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:54:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: <983821.23631.qm@web58903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mark, When I bought my '68 XKE, the breather was connected to the air filter by a couple of hose and pipe connections. I talked to some other owners, and most had simply capped off the air filter connection, and run the hose/piping straight down to exit below the motor "into the wind." Apparently this was how earlier pre-smog cars were set up, avoided any oil mist up top, and didn't trigger oil/fuel-mix issues or plug fouling in older engines. So I've kept the original bits, extended the breather to the bottom, and have no issues. Just a thought! ________________________________ From: Mark Darley To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 6:34:45 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA Andy, Thanks for the extra gasket tip. I must say I do not like the idea of cutting into any parts of an original car in good condition unless there is really no other option. Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 8, 2010, at 6:06 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I don't understand the reason for disconnecting the valve cover > breather pipe from the front air cleaner. It's meant to capture the oil > vapor and prevent it from going into the air. If you fit the K&N filters > you will need to perform some minor surgery to the front K&N air filter. > The K&N filters have a wide rubber seal around the perimeter, which will > block the vent opening in the front air filter plate so that the breather > pipe will be blocked. Not a good idea. It's easy to fix by cutting a W > shape with a utility knife in the rubber seal of the K&N filter. The MGA > Guru, Barney Gaylord shows how to do it on his website, WWW.mgaguru.com. Go > to the Carburetor and Exhaust, section CB 201. When I fitted them to my car > I did not grind the inner pedestals down as Barney suggests. I made 2 > gaskets out of Cork and placed them either side of the K&N filters to take > up the extra play in the filter housing. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Darley > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:11 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > > It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the > MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the > oil cap for a vented one. > > What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that > oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? > > If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet > covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. > > General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening > everything I could get my hands on! > > The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. > > Thanks > Mark > > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jamesechristian at yahoo.com Mon Mar 8 21:00:58 2010 From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:00:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] my search for an MGB In-Reply-To: <20100309015021.9D81B24BA68@mail.napanet.net> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com> <000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <20100309015021.9D81B24BA68@mail.napanet.net> Message-ID: <34887.26697.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Don, My neighbor has a mid-60's foadster inPrimrose yellow, very original, from her teenage years. Hasn't been able to part with it, nor to get around to making it a driver again. It is complete and not trashed. Would be probably what you are looking for. Since these NOBBC replies to go everybody and I don't want to broadcast someone's information, please call me at home 415-566-4373 and I will give you her name and number. ________________________________ From: don To: nobbc at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 5:28:12 PM Subject: [Nobbc] my search for an MGB Hi Guys, I hope this is not a violation of protocol, but . . . I have been trying to find a nice original spec early (pre '68) MGB for long time now. I have a Mk 2 MGA which is a "survivor" or a "driver" which I could trade toward an MGB that is in better condition than my A. If I buy a B rather than trade, I don't want to let go the MGA until I get the MGB. Any tips on locating such a car would be greatly appreciated. One needing some work might be a possiblity too. Such cars do not come up for sale often, as I think that many of the surviving ones in the US have taken boat rides to other places. Thanks! Don Scott Calistoga _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From liamof at earthlink.net Tue Mar 9 00:29:21 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:29:21 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net><000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21><96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com><000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: <003201cabf5a$433d4090$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> I hear you Mark, Keep some extra quarts of oil in the trunk and some cardboard to put under the front whe you park on someone's drive way (thats what I do). Shifting from third to second... I can't remember the last time I have done that. I usually coast to the stop sign. I down shift from 4th to 3rd but not from 3rd to 2nd. You may want to read Barney's site where he determines transmission issues by driving the car. Sounds like warn 2nd gear syncros to me but take Barneys test to see for your self. Also check out John Twist's video collection at University Motors.com? something like that, he takes the syncros out and shows how they wear. Liam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA > Liam, > > Wow, thanks for the offer of the cherry picker and an extra hand. At > this point I think I need to keep it simple and drive until I really have > to pull the car off the road to fix something serious like a major oil > leak or gearbox. I am enjoying driving it too much to pull it to pieces > unless I have to! > > On that note, how do you recommend I discover if the tappet vent pipe is > clear? Getting to the top end looks tough at first glance without > removing the carbs. At least the bottom end appears NOT to be full of > road debris. Can I assume it is unlikely to be plugged further up? What > would be plugging it? What next? > > Care to rendezvous for you to test drive the car and give me some > feedback on the condition of the gearbox? > > Cheers > Mark > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:47 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> I just have about two feet of hose and it hangs next to my distributer. >> It smokes a little but it is about the same as the tappet breather pipe >> which is also just exposed to the atmosphere. It makes sense to plumb it >> through the carbs so the carbs "suck" the vent gases through the engine. >> I just haven't gotten around to it. I think a vented cap should also >> help. I picked mine up from moss about 20 years ago. If you want to go >> with K&N filters check out a search with MG Experience in the MGB >> section for a really cool mounting system which also incorporated a >> flared opening for the SU carbs which helps the airflow. It was on the >> later model mgbs which is a direct bolt on for the mga carbs.It gives >> you lots more air flow than the stock filter set up. I have Stub >> Stacks on mine and they give me about 2 or 3 more horsepower. air flow >> is everything with these carbs. I also noticed a few people selling the >> early mgb timing covers on ebay which may the way to go. The timing >> marks seem to be in the same place as the mga so you should be able to >> use your own pully. I have an early 1963 18G MGB engine in my garage >> if you want to see what one looks like. I also have a cherry picker if >> you want to borrow it to help you pull up the engine a few inches to >> access every thing. I could give you a hand if you need it. >> Liam >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA >> >> >>> Liam, >>> >>> I am about to replace the filters with modern K&N filters from Moss. >>> If the breather pipe cannot be connected, how did you dead end it? Is >>> it cut off and floating, or did you attach it to something? >>> >>> Thanks for the suggestion on the tappet breather pipe. I will check it >>> out. Maybe that is why my front oil felt seal is leaking. >>> >>> Had a great day on the Bay yesterday on an FD out of RYC. Last >>> Midwinter. Drove the car over and it got a lot of comments! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Mark >>> >>> Mark Darley >>> markdarley at mac.com >>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2010, at 1:13 PM, liam oflaherty wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> Just make sure the breather pipe from the valve cover to the carb air >>>> cleaner is not clogged. (I run my breather pipe from the valve cover >>>> free of my carbs just because my carb air cleaner doesn't have a >>>> connection for the breather pipe.) Also make sure the breather pipe >>>> from the tappet cover is not clogged. If one of these two breather >>>> pipes is clogged you will build up pressure in your crankcase and you >>>> will be getting a lot of oil from your front oil felt seal at your >>>> pulley. >>>> Good luck, >>>> Liam >>>> 57 mga >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Darley" >>>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >>>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Removal of breather pipe? MGA >>>> >>>> >>>>> It has been suggested to me that removing the breather pipe on the >>>>> MGA will reduce the oil burned, and also that I should exchange the >>>>> oil cap for a vented one. >>>>> >>>>> What is the logic on the breather pipe removal? Is it simply that >>>>> oil in the rocker cover will then not get sucked into the carbs? >>>>> >>>>> If I remove the pipe will I not have the under side of the bonnet >>>>> covered in a fine mist of oil? Doesn't sound attractive. >>>>> >>>>> General loss of oil has been much improved by simply tightening >>>>> everything I could get my hands on! >>>>> >>>>> The car is running much better for valve and float adjustment. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Darley >>>>> markdarley at mac.com >>>>> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Nobbc mailing list >>>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nobbc mailing list >>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From morrisf at SIDWater.org Tue Mar 9 07:59:15 2010 From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:59:15 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB1978@echo01.SID.LOCAL> If you don't mind a short dirt road down to the water, one of the freshest oyster farms is outside of Inverness as you go to Pt. Reyes. Rustic, just picnic benches overlooking Drakes Estero...and that the name; Drakes Bay Oyster Farm. Less than a dollar if you shuck your own. All they supply is condiments to slather the succulent, slippery suckers. ----- Original Message ----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Mon Mar 08 18:31:34 2010 Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Dan, The place you mention is Hog Island Oyster Co. he Marshall store is smaller, but can also be pretty busy. There is Marshall PO right across Hwy 1 , which will be closed on Saturday so would be a great place to park up for the crowd. Tim 58 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:33 PM To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > John, > > That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to Tony's, > which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. There's > one > place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on weekends they have > valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and I'm loathe to hand my > keys over to persons unknown. South County and Marin have lots of great > roads and destinations. > > Dan > 66 MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of John Kenner > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) > Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend > (20th)? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: >> ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! >> >> >> >> When's the next ride? >> >> >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> >> 415 806 2457 C >> >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >> tamalpais_s >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From DPaige at srcity.org Tue Mar 9 09:12:16 2010 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:12:16 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] OYSTERS In-Reply-To: <002501cabf2d$caca0070$605e0150$@com> Message-ID: Not exactly Yuppie junk but tiny servings WAY overpriced. Good place for the S.F. and Marin upper crust to mix and match. Nick's is now owned and operated by McCormicks and Kuletos of Seattle and SF fame. The oyster farm operations on the bay are definitely the right choice as noted by others. Bring along a cooler and bring a dozen or two back home. I'm starting tonight on removing the interior and the tranny tunnel on the TR-6. Should have most of the nuts and bolts off of the unit but will likely do the removal in the next couple of days. Then new flywheel gear ring and a cursory check of the transmission. Though, I am considering replacement with a Toyota 5 speed conversion. Any lister have experience with that? Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Kenner Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:11 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: [Nobbc] OYSTERS THE PLACE WITH THE PARKING IS NICKS COVE. IT USED TO BE GREAT BUT THEN GOT BOUGHT BY BIG RESTAURANT MONEY AND THEY TURNED IT INTO YUPPIE JUNK. TONY'S IS GREAT. BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE MARSHALL STORE AND HEARD TODAY THAT IT'S GREAT ALSO AND EASIER FOR A CAR CLUB. JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:34 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY John, That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to Tony's, which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. There's one place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on weekends they have valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and I'm loathe to hand my keys over to persons unknown. South County and Marin have lots of great roads and destinations. Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Kenner Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq oysters? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend (20th)? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! > > > > When's the next ride? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name > of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Tue Mar 9 15:06:33 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:06:33 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <4B95C1D2.5030200@gmail.com> References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com><99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie><25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com> <4B95C1D2.5030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, You are correct that the synchro's go first. If they need fixing then it is a simple(?) matter to check (and likely replace) the layshaft at the same time. This shaft runs in pretty simple bronze bushes. The shaft/lubrication to those bushes is down the center and seems pretty puny. If the only problem is down/up shift difficulty then suspect the synch cones. If the box tends to jump out of 3rd when downshifting under deceleration into a bend- think Coleman Valley Rd down to the coast- then I think it is likely the selector rods and/or layshaft as well? Hope this all helps Mark and others reading the thread. Once the box is out of the vehicle it is a "whole lot of fun" to work on. Tim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Tatarian" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:34 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > Tim, > > With respect, I would not look towards the layshaft or layshaft bearings > as the first most likely cause for gear clashing. This is based on the > noise commonly associated with worn layshaft bearings or layshaft, present > either in one or two gears, or sometimes in all. Also, synchros will > generally wear more rapidly than the layshaft or its bearings, unless the > 'box was run low on oil. > > While I agree with your observation that a worn layshaft or bearings will > cause gear misalignment, Mark did not cite those symptoms, only gear > clashing between 2nd and 3rd. I'm not sure that an MGA 'box is immune to > this in the first place; the Alfa gearbox is known for early wear on 2nd > gear synchros and constant need of slow and stately shifting in order to > save the synchros. My experience with MGB's is that they synchros never > last that long anyway. It might simply be that Mark's 'box is not really > defective, just a typical 50k mile MGA box that's getting a bit worn... > hopefully Ron or someone else can weigh in on this. > > It is always possible that a change in gear oil can minimize clashing (I > bought myself a few months by switching to Redline MTL before finally > yanking and rebuilding the 'box in my Lotus). If the 'box does have > problems, I'd still lean towards worn synchros first, but not discount the > other possible causes I mentioned in my earlier email. I do agree with you > that if the 'box is truly in need of synchros, it doesn't make sense to > fix or replace only those parts, which are readily available and not that > expensive. A full rebuild can be a painfully costly exercise for some > gearboxes; my Alfa 'box bearings cost 4x more than those for the Lotus - > not to mention the synchros and other parts! I can do a full rebuild on a > Lotus/Ford 2000E box for a few hundred $ in parts, while the Alfa has me > in for $1,000 and I'm not even done yet!I'm not a professional gearbox > mechanic, but I've built 7 of them now, and have disassembled about 11, > and I've found many symptoms to be pretty diagnostic. > > Feel free to correct me, Tim if your experience is more extensive than > mine - I'm always trying to learn more about everything! > > Cheers, > Greg > > > > > Tim Thresh wrote: >> Mark, >> >> Sounds as though you may have a worn layshaft /bearings. It could also be >> the synchro cones. You have to strip the box to fix both matters so do >> them all at once. At a certain point the wear will result in a >> mis-alignment which will prove fatal (ie no engagement in any gear). Mine >> stuck in neutral luckily but I am not sure that is guaranteed. >> >> Perhaps the group has a recommendation for a good tranny shop if you do >> not wish to do it yourself or become a project day! >> >> Tim >> 1958 MGA >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Mark Darley" >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:07 PM >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 15:48:13 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:48:13 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: References: <4B9575C5.10308@gmail.com><99B3F2419B1D4BEEBEA6E3120938B655@dandebbie><25576893-C873-4C5F-89BB-83EE9B8DAAD6@mac.com><4B95C1D2.5030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, I agree with you here, Tim. Cheers, Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tim Thresh" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:06:33 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Greg, You are correct that the synchro's go first. If they need fixing then it is a simple(?) matter to check (and likely replace) the layshaft at the same time. This shaft runs in pretty simple bronze bushes. The shaft/lubrication to those bushes is down the center and seems pretty puny. If the only problem is down/up shift difficulty then suspect the synch cones. If the box tends to jump out of 3rd when downshifting under deceleration into a bend- think Coleman Valley Rd down to the coast- then I think it is likely the selector rods and/or layshaft as well? Hope this all helps Mark and others reading the thread. Once the box is out of the vehicle it is a "whole lot of fun" to work on. Tim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Tatarian" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:34 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > Tim, > > With respect, I would not look towards the layshaft or layshaft bearings > as the first most likely cause for gear clashing. This is based on the > noise commonly associated with worn layshaft bearings or layshaft, present > either in one or two gears, or sometimes in all. Also, synchros will > generally wear more rapidly than the layshaft or its bearings, unless the > 'box was run low on oil. > > While I agree with your observation that a worn layshaft or bearings will > cause gear misalignment, Mark did not cite those symptoms, only gear > clashing between 2nd and 3rd. I'm not sure that an MGA 'box is immune to > this in the first place; the Alfa gearbox is known for early wear on 2nd > gear synchros and constant need of slow and stately shifting in order to > save the synchros. My experience with MGB's is that they synchros never > last that long anyway. It might simply be that Mark's 'box is not really > defective, just a typical 50k mile MGA box that's getting a bit worn... > hopefully Ron or someone else can weigh in on this. > > It is always possible that a change in gear oil can minimize clashing (I > bought myself a few months by switching to Redline MTL before finally > yanking and rebuilding the 'box in my Lotus). If the 'box does have > problems, I'd still lean towards worn synchros first, but not discount the > other possible causes I mentioned in my earlier email. I do agree with you > that if the 'box is truly in need of synchros, it doesn't make sense to > fix or replace only those parts, which are readily available and not that > expensive. A full rebuild can be a painfully costly exercise for some > gearboxes; my Alfa 'box bearings cost 4x more than those for the Lotus - > not to mention the synchros and other parts! I can do a full rebuild on a > Lotus/Ford 2000E box for a few hundred $ in parts, while the Alfa has me > in for $1,000 and I'm not even done yet!I'm not a professional gearbox > mechanic, but I've built 7 of them now, and have disassembled about 11, > and I've found many symptoms to be pretty diagnostic. > > Feel free to correct me, Tim if your experience is more extensive than > mine - I'm always trying to learn more about everything! > > Cheers, > Greg > > > > > Tim Thresh wrote: >> Mark, >> >> Sounds as though you may have a worn layshaft /bearings. It could also be >> the synchro cones. You have to strip the box to fix both matters so do >> them all at once. At a certain point the wear will result in a >> mis-alignment which will prove fatal (ie no engagement in any gear). Mine >> stuck in neutral luckily but I am not sure that is guaranteed. >> >> Perhaps the group has a recommendation for a good tranny shop if you do >> not wish to do it yourself or become a project day! >> >> Tim >> 1958 MGA >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Mark Darley" >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:07 PM >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 9 18:40:36 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:40:36 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox Message-ID: Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost in the tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done 50,000 miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles before needing a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help a bit. The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is fairly stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the box. I'd try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately there's no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before and if and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the meantime I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my early MGB which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've rebuilt the box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also drive the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely different, and that has a notchy first to second change. Andy From home at drummondlaw.com Wed Mar 10 19:55:43 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:55:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] my search for an MGB In-Reply-To: <20100309015021.9D81B24BA68@mail.napanet.net> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net><000c01cabf04$3b3f9ec0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21><96FF5EE0-1974-47CD-AD87-F16A1412D554@mac.com><000801cabf22$0aa2b8b0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> <20100309015021.9D81B24BA68@mail.napanet.net> Message-ID: <935A0B13BC4F4C41B68BA52BAFD454A0@dandebbie> Craigslist. There are usually several of them. Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of don Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:28 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] my search for an MGB Hi Guys, I hope this is not a violation of protocol, but . . . I have been trying to find a nice original spec early (pre '68) MGB for long time now. I have a Mk 2 MGA which is a "survivor" or a "driver" which I could trade toward an MGB that is in better condition than my A. If I buy a B rather than trade, I don't want to let go the MGA until I get the MGB. Any tips on locating such a car would be greatly appreciated. One needing some work might be a possiblity too. Such cars do not come up for sale often, as I think that many of the surviving ones in the US have taken boat rides to other places. Thanks! Don Scott Calistoga _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From home at drummondlaw.com Wed Mar 10 19:58:37 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:58:37 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session In-Reply-To: <20100309025815.5F6A318786D@autox.team.net> References: <20100309025815.5F6A318786D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'll be there. Just let me know when and where. Many hands make light work. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:33 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Hi Dan, Thanks so much for the offer. This will be a pot luck BBQ, but if you want to and are able to show up early to help set up that would be very much appreciate! More to come... Cheers, Greg ------Original Message------ From: Dan Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'North Bay British Car Club' ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Sent: Mar 8, 2010 5:28 PM Greg, That sounds great. Thanks for putting this together. Can I help with food, set-up, etc? Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Tech Session Hi Folks, Well, I had been trying to put together a more rounded tech session to include not only my gearbox session, but a general tuning session, with the help of Robin Jackson and Andy Prescott. Unfortunately, it was too difficult to get all three of our schedules to coincide, so it looks like I'm going to scale it back down to a gearbox session and BBQ. A tuning session will be arranged for another date. We're now looking at a late April date, or possibly May, and I'll firm that up and let you all know as soon as possible. Stay tuned... (pardon the pun), Greg Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 08:00:22 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:00:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Wendell - Morgans... Message-ID: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> Hi Wendell, and anyone else who is interested... Saw this interesting ad on Craigslist: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bfs/1637452163.html Cheers, Greg Tatarian From wbain at sonic.net Thu Mar 11 10:55:52 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:55:52 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Wendell - Morgans... In-Reply-To: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, Thanks for letting me know about this. I know two of the people involved. It is interesting, although I don't know who Hugh is. Guess I haven't met him yet. Cheers, Wendell Morgan +4 On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi Wendell, and anyone else who is interested... > Saw this interesting ad on Craigslist: > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bfs/1637452163.html > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From BergmanIns at comcast.net Thu Mar 11 14:16:18 2010 From: BergmanIns at comcast.net (Peter & Nancy Bergman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:16:18 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] OYSTERS-Toy 5 speed. References: Message-ID: <013C62EB9DAA46B6B8E9E0489FEF6F2C@your4c9bae1112> Hi, just came back from a trip and found about a billion emails including yours. I just did a 5speed conversion (HVDA) on a 67 TR4A, and it was without question the best conversion I've ever tried, and it totally transformed the car. Smooth shifting, no rattle (no anchor hanging off the back of the tranny either), and a really relaxing 5th gear going down the road with other modern cars. Herman Van Den Akker (HVDA) is extremely helpful both in person and on the phone, and if you were to take a ride down to his house to pick it up, the savings of no sales tax would almost pay for the trip down. Herman also put the bellhousing and tranny together while there, and gave a lot of hints along the way. There is a nice B&B just down the road from Hermans house. Feel free to ask me any details about the conversion. Pete Bergman (408) 773-1781 67 TR4A 54 Jag XK120SE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paige, Dean" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] OYSTERS > Not exactly Yuppie junk but tiny servings WAY overpriced. Good place for > the S.F. and Marin upper crust to mix and match. Nick's is now owned and > operated by McCormicks and Kuletos of Seattle and SF fame. > The oyster farm operations on the bay are definitely the right choice as > noted by others. Bring along a cooler and bring a dozen or two back > home. > > I'm starting tonight on removing the interior and the tranny tunnel on > the TR-6. Should have most of the nuts and bolts off of the unit but > will likely do the removal in the next couple of days. Then new flywheel > gear ring and a cursory check of the transmission. Though, I am > considering replacement with a Toyota 5 speed conversion. Any lister > have experience with that? > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Kenner > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:11 PM > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > Subject: [Nobbc] OYSTERS > > THE PLACE WITH THE PARKING IS NICKS COVE. IT USED TO BE GREAT BUT THEN > GOT BOUGHT BY BIG RESTAURANT MONEY AND THEY TURNED IT INTO YUPPIE JUNK. > TONY'S IS GREAT. BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE MARSHALL STORE AND HEARD > TODAY THAT IT'S GREAT ALSO AND EASIER FOR A CAR CLUB. > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:34 PM > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > John, > > That sounds good. I'm up for a new oyster spot. We always go to > Tony's, which is great, but we need to branch out and try other places. > There's one place on Hwy 1, just south of Tomales I believe, but on > weekends they have valet parking only (CHP requirement evidently) and > I'm loathe to hand my keys over to persons unknown. South County and > Marin have lots of great roads and destinations. > > Dan > 66 MGB > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Kenner > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:32 PM > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > How do people feel about going to the Marshall store for some bbq > oysters? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:23 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] DAY LIKE TODAY > > Well next weekend is Barrel tasting, so maybe not a good choice ;-) > Anybody want to volunteer to set something up for the following weekend > (20th)? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: >> ON A DAY LIKE TODAY WE SHOULD BE OUT ON A CLUB RIDE! >> >> >> >> When's the next ride? >> >> >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> >> 415 806 2457 C >> >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >> tamalpais_s >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name > >> of > image001.gif] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From don at napanet.net Thu Mar 11 23:44:38 2010 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> Hi gang, I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I have bought several books from this company. The two car books I bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well worth the price. STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell Here is your ultimate reference source for identification information, serial number information, technical data, historical information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market values for models from 1946-1996. http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html _______________________________________________________________________________- Don Scott Calistoga, CA 1962 MGA Mk II 1973 MGB GT (selling) 2001 Miata SE BRG 63-67 MGB (searching) From mvg1 at verizon.net Fri Mar 12 10:02:08 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:02:08 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: Hi Krissy It took me a while to look in my garage, but I have a pair of 165 15s that came off my TR4 if you are interested and still in need. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klein, Kris" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? > Does anyone want to sell a used tire that they have sitting around for a > reasonable price? My spare tire is toast and I don't want to buy a brand > new > one to sit in my trunk just in case for $175. It is for my Austin Healey > 3000 > BT7 and needs to be size 185 HR15. > Thanks, > Krissy Klein > 1959 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From morrisf at SIDWater.org Fri Mar 12 10:21:07 2010 From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:21:07 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the sound of Brit cars. Frank M. 74 MGB Rat Rod 71 MGB-GT Parting out 63 XKE In garage 61 MGA In restoration -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of don Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book Hi gang, I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I have bought several books from this company. The two car books I bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well worth the price. STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell Here is your ultimate reference source for identification information, serial number information, technical data, historical information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market values for models from 1946-1996. http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html ________________________________________________________________________ _______- Don Scott Calistoga, CA 1962 MGA Mk II 1973 MGB GT (selling) 2001 Miata SE BRG 63-67 MGB (searching) _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 12 10:23:34 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:23:34 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> Message-ID: <32ED3DA38C95482484779F3A962B79A3@MARLA> Don, thanks for the reference to this site, this is a great price for a book like this, I've just ordered one. I think they would get more sales if you could pay on line rather than having to send them a check. Oh well. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of don Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book Hi gang, I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I have bought several books from this company. The two car books I bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well worth the price. STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell Here is your ultimate reference source for identification information, serial number information, technical data, historical information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market values for models from 1946-1996. http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html ____________________________________________________________________________ ___- Don Scott Calistoga, CA 1962 MGA Mk II 1973 MGB GT (selling) 2001 Miata SE BRG 63-67 MGB (searching) _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Fri Mar 12 11:03:24 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:03:24 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? In-Reply-To: References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2C18CC5F-2D5C-4455-B6A7-66497A4F6FA4@mac.com> Mike, If Krissy wants one, I would be interested in the other. My current spare is a rather ancient Gold Seal whitewall. Might even be the original! Thanks Mark '58 MGA Roadster Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com 415 381 5452 On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > Hi Krissy > > It took me a while to look in my garage, but I have a pair of 165 > 15s that came off my TR4 if you are interested and still in need. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klein, Kris" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:57 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? > > >> Does anyone want to sell a used tire that they have sitting around >> for a >> reasonable price? My spare tire is toast and I don't want to buy a >> brand new >> one to sit in my trunk just in case for $175. It is for my Austin >> Healey 3000 >> BT7 and needs to be size 185 HR15. >> Thanks, >> Krissy Klein >> 1959 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Fri Mar 12 11:22:47 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:22:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? In-Reply-To: <2C18CC5F-2D5C-4455-B6A7-66497A4F6FA4@mac.com> References: <001501cabd73$d855c9b0$89015d10$@com> <4B954E8F.1050003@sonic.net> <2C18CC5F-2D5C-4455-B6A7-66497A4F6FA4@mac.com> Message-ID: <005a01cac211$05ffe750$11ffb5f0$@com> IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I HAVE A BUNCH OF SPITFIRE WHEELS WITH TIRES. DON'T KNOW THERE SIZE OR WHAT ELSE THEY FIT. CALL THE 415 NUMBER BELOW JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Darley Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:03 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? Mike, If Krissy wants one, I would be interested in the other. My current spare is a rather ancient Gold Seal whitewall. Might even be the original! Thanks Mark '58 MGA Roadster Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com 415 381 5452 On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > Hi Krissy > > It took me a while to look in my garage, but I have a pair of 165 > 15s that came off my TR4 if you are interested and still in need. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klein, Kris" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:57 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Used tire for spare? > > >> Does anyone want to sell a used tire that they have sitting around >> for a >> reasonable price? My spare tire is toast and I don't want to buy a >> brand new >> one to sit in my trunk just in case for $175. It is for my Austin >> Healey 3000 >> BT7 and needs to be size 185 HR15. >> Thanks, >> Krissy Klein >> 1959 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mvg1 at verizon.net Fri Mar 12 13:02:56 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:02:56 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> Message-ID: If any of you Jag guys are interested, I have some old original XK 120/140 service manuals, (Circa 1955) a 140 owners manual, and a premier issue XK Unlimited parts manual left over from my Jag days that I might let go. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "don" To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > Hi gang, > > I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book for > cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I have bought > several books from this company. The two car books I bought, one on Ford > V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well worth the price. > > > STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell > Here is your ultimate reference source for identification information, > serial number information, technical data, historical information on all > collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market values for models from > 1946-1996. > http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html > > _______________________________________________________________________________- > > > > Don Scott > Calistoga, CA > > 1962 MGA Mk II > 1973 MGB GT (selling) > 2001 Miata SE BRG > 63-67 MGB (searching) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Fri Mar 12 16:48:01 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:48:01 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip, Don. Great price. Also go to the other titles listed. Looks quite interesting. Wendell 59 Morgan On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Frank Morris wrote: > Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. > > Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the > sound > of Brit cars. > > Frank M. > 74 MGB Rat Rod > 71 MGB-GT Parting out > 63 XKE In garage > 61 MGA In restoration > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of don > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM > To: nobbc at autox.team.net > Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > > Hi gang, > > I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book > for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I > have bought several books from this company. The two car books I > bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well > worth the price. > > > STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell > Here is your ultimate reference source for identification > information, serial number information, technical data, historical > information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market > values for models from 1946-1996. > http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > _______- > > > > Don Scott > Calistoga, CA > > 1962 MGA Mk II > 1973 MGB GT (selling) > 2001 Miata SE BRG > 63-67 MGB (searching) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Sun Mar 14 09:11:22 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Message-ID: <119629.12338.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello NOBBC members, I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and the coolant is free of oil contamination. Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to what might be going on? Thanks in advance for your input. Greg '59 AC Aceca From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 14 12:14:08 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <119629.12338.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <119629.12338.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22BF451118084E22AB8DD58F13044501@MARLA> Hi Greg, I don't have any knowledge of the Aceca (Bristol) in line 6, but I assume that there must be an oil pressure relief valve in the oil system somewhere. There's one in the MGB engine to prevent too high oil pressure. Perhaps the one on the Aceca is blocked or clogged, that's the only thing I can think of. You could try changing the oil with a low viscosity oil like 5/20 and see if that might clear it. Are there any AC bulletin boards out there that can help you? Andy 60 MGA Coupe -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Hello NOBBC members, I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and the coolant is free of oil contamination. Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to what might be going on? Thanks in advance for your input. Greg '59 AC Aceca _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Sun Mar 14 20:45:12 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <22BF451118084E22AB8DD58F13044501@MARLA> Message-ID: <935879.26442.qm@web180015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Andy, Thanks very much for your reply and suggestions. I will check into the pressure relief valve. Best regards, Greg --- On Sun, 3/14/10, andy preston wrote: From: andy preston Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 12:14 PM Hi Greg, I don't have any knowledge of the Aceca (Bristol) in line 6, but I assume that there must be an oil pressure relief valve in the oil system somewhere. There's one in the MGB engine to prevent too high oil pressure. Perhaps the one on the Aceca is blocked or clogged, that's the only thing I can think of. You could try changing the oil with a low viscosity oil like 5/20 and see if that might clear it. Are there any AC bulletin boards out there that can help you? Andy 60 MGA Coupe -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Hello NOBBC members, I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and the coolant is free of oil contamination. Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to what might be going on? Thanks in advance for your input. Greg '59 AC Aceca _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mvg1 at verizon.net Mon Mar 15 07:02:25 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure References: <119629.12338.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my > short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure > gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct > and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as > to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Mon Mar 15 08:15:05 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <496367.53419.qm@web180016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Mike, Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I'm due for an oil/filter change so will take care of that and look for that adjustment screw. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 15 13:45:37 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:45:37 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E2259DB-014B-4826-AC72-01222B77767B@mac.com> Andy, Do you have any time today, and where are you? Give me a all if you are around, as I may come up as far as Petaluma around 3pm. Mark 58 MGA with sticky gearbox! Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost > in the > tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done > 50,000 > miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles > before needing > a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help > a bit. > The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is > fairly > stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the > box. I'd > try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately > there's > no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete > rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before > and if > and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the > meantime > I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my > early MGB > which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've > rebuilt the > box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also > drive > the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely > different, > and that has a notchy first to second change. > > > > > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 15 14:00:59 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> I am finding that the hotter the car and gearbox get, the less resistance I get on the shift. It starts out feeling like I am pushing it through treacle from 2nd to 3rd on a cold morning, and is fine after 30 minutes of driving. Could this be as simple as old grunge in the gearbox (It sat for 4 years & I have changed it out but not used any flushing fluids), or just thick cold oil? Should I use some sort of flush other than fresh oil? Has anyone put a lighter oil in the MGA transmission with success? Should I? Thanks Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost > in the > tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done > 50,000 > miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles > before needing > a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help > a bit. > The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is > fairly > stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the > box. I'd > try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately > there's > no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete > rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before > and if > and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the > meantime > I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my > early MGB > which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've > rebuilt the > box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also > drive > the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely > different, > and that has a notchy first to second change. > > > > > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From randysmga at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 14:17:09 2010 From: randysmga at gmail.com (Randy Myers) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> References: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> Message-ID: <9096c7991003151417q31c0adc0mf2c2eb187caf7e27@mail.gmail.com> Mark, In an effort to eliminate possibilities... what weight oil are you currently using in your gearbox? MGA's use 30 weight, I'm interest to hear whether your car is the same. Thanks, Randy Myers '59 MGA On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Mark Darley wrote: > I am finding that the hotter the car and gearbox get, the less resistance I > get on the shift. It starts out feeling like I am pushing it through > treacle from 2nd to 3rd on a cold morning, and is fine after 30 minutes of > driving. > > Could this be as simple as old grunge in the gearbox (It sat for 4 years & > I have changed it out but not used any flushing fluids), or just thick cold > oil? > > Should I use some sort of flush other than fresh oil? > > Has anyone put a lighter oil in the MGA transmission with success? Should > I? > > Thanks > Mark > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > > Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost in the >> tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done 50,000 >> miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles before >> needing >> a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help a bit. >> The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is fairly >> stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the box. I'd >> try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately >> there's >> no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete >> rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before and if >> and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the meantime >> I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my early >> MGB >> which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've rebuilt >> the >> box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also drive >> the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely >> different, >> and that has a notchy first to second change. >> >> >> >> >> >> Andy >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > -- Randy From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 15 14:17:17 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> References: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B9EA3DD.3020604@sonic.net> Possibly the previous owner used gear oil instead of the correct motor oil. I would drain it and refill with the same oil you use for the engine 20w-50. Many people use Redline MTF although I've never tried it and probably never will since the motor oil works just fine. You shouldn't be getting resistance as you described while shifting...maybe your clutch is not releasing correctly??? Ron 58 MGA Mark Darley wrote: > I am finding that the hotter the car and gearbox get, the less > resistance I get on the shift. It starts out feeling like I am pushing > it through treacle from 2nd to 3rd on a cold morning, and is fine after > 30 minutes of driving. > > Could this be as simple as old grunge in the gearbox (It sat for 4 > years & I have changed it out but not used any flushing fluids), or > just thick cold oil? > > Should I use some sort of flush other than fresh oil? > > Has anyone put a lighter oil in the MGA transmission with success? > Should I? > > Thanks > Mark > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > >> Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost in >> the >> tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done >> 50,000 >> miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles before >> needing >> a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help a >> bit. >> The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is fairly >> stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the >> box. I'd >> try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately >> there's >> no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete >> rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before >> and if >> and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the >> meantime >> I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my >> early MGB >> which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've >> rebuilt the >> box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also >> drive >> the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely >> different, >> and that has a notchy first to second change. >> >> >> >> >> >> Andy >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 15 15:01:42 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:01:42 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <9096c7991003151417q31c0adc0mf2c2eb187caf7e27@mail.gmail.com> References: <2B0D2B80-88C0-4073-B98F-0ACE4E07BDD9@mac.com> <9096c7991003151417q31c0adc0mf2c2eb187caf7e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <856CC1C2-8D54-48C7-BF4E-FD1FFDE8A04B@mac.com> According to my notes, I have Napa Premium 30wt in there right now (as recommended), though I am beginning to question if I did something stupid and put 90 in by mistake! Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 58 1500 MGA On Mar 15, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Randy Myers wrote: > Mark, > > In an effort to eliminate possibilities... what weight oil are you > currently > using in your gearbox? MGA's use 30 weight, I'm interest to hear > whether > your car is the same. > > Thanks, > > Randy Myers > '59 MGA > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Mark Darley > wrote: > >> I am finding that the hotter the car and gearbox get, the less >> resistance I >> get on the shift. It starts out feeling like I am pushing it through >> treacle from 2nd to 3rd on a cold morning, and is fine after 30 >> minutes of >> driving. >> >> Could this be as simple as old grunge in the gearbox (It sat for 4 >> years & >> I have changed it out but not used any flushing fluids), or just >> thick cold >> oil? >> >> Should I use some sort of flush other than fresh oil? >> >> Has anyone put a lighter oil in the MGA transmission with >> success? Should >> I? >> >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> Mark Darley >> markdarley at mac.com >> Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 >> >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: >> >> Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting >> lost in the >>> tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has >>> done 50,000 >>> miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles before >>> needing >>> a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might >>> help a bit. >>> The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is >>> fairly >>> stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the >>> box. I'd >>> try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately >>> there's >>> no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a >>> complete >>> rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes >>> before and if >>> and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the >>> meantime >>> I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive >>> my early >>> MGB >>> which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've >>> rebuilt >>> the >>> box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can >>> also drive >>> the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely >>> different, >>> and that has a notchy first to second change. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Andy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> > > > > -- > Randy > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 16:49:40 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:49:40 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 Message-ID: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> Hi Folks, OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few days. Cheers, Greg Tatarian From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 15 17:31:24 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:31:24 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? Ron 58 MGA Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi Folks, > OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in > Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be > available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few days. > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 15 18:11:01 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:11:01 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <496367.53419.qm@web180016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <496367.53419.qm@web180016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg, I was at a friends house today, watching him paint a car and I asked him if he knew anything about the AC Aceca. To my astonishment he told me that he used to own one and of course regrets selling the car. He said that the original engine was designed in 1919 and stayed almost that way until they installed the Bristol engine and later the Ford Zephyr (Zodiac) V6. What engine do you have in your car? He suggested checking the oil pressure gauge with a manual gauge and then blowing all the oil lines clean. Keep us advised on what happens. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:15 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure HI Mike, Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I'm due for an oil/filter change so will take care of that and look for that adjustment screw. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 15 18:26:01 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <0E2259DB-014B-4826-AC72-01222B77767B@mac.com> References: <0E2259DB-014B-4826-AC72-01222B77767B@mac.com> Message-ID: <1849045377C64271A30AADAF4C92DDDC@MARLA> Mark, I'm in all day tomorrow on Tuesday, and will be driving down to San Rafael on Wednesday so perhaps one of those days will work. I'm also going on The Saint Patrick's day tour on Thursday that starts in San Rafael at 11:00. Regarding gearbox oil there are 2 camps, the one says use 30 wt and the other recommends 20/50. I had a very sluggish O/D on my B GT which took a long time to engage when the engine/gearbox was cold. I filled the gearbox and O/D with ATF and left it in there for over a couple of years and the O/D worked fine with the thinner oil. I replaced it recently with the recommended 20/50 and it still works great. Whatever sludge was in the O/D was cleaned out by the ATF. You could try ATF in your gearbox as a trial and see if it makes any difference; it didn't seem to affect the performance of the gearbox at all. Andy 707 795 3480 -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Darley Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:46 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox Andy, Do you have any time today, and where are you? Give me a all if you are around, as I may come up as far as Petaluma around 3pm. Mark 58 MGA with sticky gearbox! Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost > in the > tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done > 50,000 > miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles > before needing > a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help > a bit. > The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is > fairly > stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the > box. I'd > try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately > there's > no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete > rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before > and if > and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the > meantime > I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my > early MGB > which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've > rebuilt the > box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also > drive > the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely > different, > and that has a notchy first to second change. > > > > > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rolquinmac at me.com Mon Mar 15 18:17:29 2010 From: rolquinmac at me.com (Roland Quintero) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Wendell - Morgans... In-Reply-To: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27F85F69-0AB7-4344-B212-47F759413EFC@me.com> I have posted images from Korbel trip to shutterfly at shutterfly.com/ pro/PALOALTOPHOTOG/NOBBC, please add http://www. prior to the address. Pswd is NOBBC. I am trying this setup to avoid system errors. also below it is broken into three parts in case this prior system does not work. http://www._____xx__shutterfly_____xx__.com/ pro/PALOALTOPHOTOG/NOBBC On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi Wendell, and anyone else who is interested... > Saw this interesting ad on Craigslist: > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bfs/1637452163.html > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Mon Mar 15 19:24:30 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:24:30 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 In-Reply-To: <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> Message-ID: <005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> MARSHALL FOR OYSTERS???????? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:31 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? Ron 58 MGA Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi Folks, > OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in > Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be > available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few days. > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 15 19:55:35 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:55:35 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 In-Reply-To: <005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> <005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> Message-ID: <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> You want to put together a starting time and place then lead us out? I would be happy to go there, we haven't been to the Tomales area in a while and I'm sure the Marin contingent would appreciate a ride in their neck of the woods! Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > MARSHALL FOR OYSTERS???????? > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:31 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 > > Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming > Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Greg Tatarian wrote: > > >>Hi Folks, >>OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in >>Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be >>available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few days. >>Cheers, >>Greg Tatarian >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Mar 15 19:57:39 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <1849045377C64271A30AADAF4C92DDDC@MARLA> References: <0E2259DB-014B-4826-AC72-01222B77767B@mac.com> <1849045377C64271A30AADAF4C92DDDC@MARLA> Message-ID: <4B9EF3A3.2000302@sonic.net> I guess I fall in the 20w/50 camp. I've always used it and the box shifts smoooooth as silk. Ron 58 MGA andy preston wrote: > Mark, I'm in all day tomorrow on Tuesday, and will be driving down to San > Rafael on Wednesday so perhaps one of those days will work. I'm also going > on The Saint Patrick's day tour on Thursday that starts in San Rafael at > 11:00. > > Regarding gearbox oil there are 2 camps, the one says use 30 wt and the > other recommends 20/50. I had a very sluggish O/D on my B GT which took a > long time to engage when the engine/gearbox was cold. I filled the gearbox > and O/D with ATF and left it in there for over a couple of years and the O/D > worked fine with the thinner oil. I replaced it recently with the > recommended 20/50 and it still works great. Whatever sludge was in the O/D > was cleaned out by the ATF. You could try ATF in your gearbox as a trial > and see if it makes any difference; it didn't seem to affect the performance > of the gearbox at all. > > Andy > > 707 795 3480 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Darley > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:46 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox > > Andy, > > Do you have any time today, and where are you? > Give me a all if you are around, as I may come up as far as Petaluma > around 3pm. > Mark > 58 MGA with sticky gearbox! > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > > >>Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost >>in the >>tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done >>50,000 >>miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles >>before needing >>a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help >>a bit. >>The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is >>fairly >>stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the >>box. I'd >>try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately >>there's >>no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a complete >>rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before >>and if >>and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the >>meantime >>I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my >>early MGB >>which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've >>rebuilt the >>box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also >>drive >>the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely >>different, >>and that has a notchy first to second change. >> >> >> >> >> >>Andy >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Mon Mar 15 20:31:06 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:31:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RIDE In-Reply-To: <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> <005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> Message-ID: <006301cac4b9$1e116210$5a342630$@com> WE COULD START AT THE USUAL PLACE MEETING AT 10 FOR A 10:30 DEPARTURE. AND I'LL LEAD YOU THERE TO ARRIVE AROUND LUNCH TIME. WE COULD PLAN A STOP AT THE CHEESE FACTORY TO PICK UP MARINITES, LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS INTEREST IN THAT. IF NO INTEREST WE'LL SKIP THAT PART. I'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF WRITTEN ROUTE INSTRUCTIONS PRIOR TO RIDE DAY. RAIN CANCELS. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL ON SATURDAY, JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:56 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 You want to put together a starting time and place then lead us out? I would be happy to go there, we haven't been to the Tomales area in a while and I'm sure the Marin contingent would appreciate a ride in their neck of the woods! Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > MARSHALL FOR OYSTERS???????? > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:31 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 > > Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming > Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Greg Tatarian wrote: > > >>Hi Folks, >>OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in >>Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be >>available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few days. >>Cheers, >>Greg Tatarian >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 15 21:20:23 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:20:23 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RIDE In-Reply-To: <006301cac4b9$1e116210$5a342630$@com> References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net> <005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> <006301cac4b9$1e116210$5a342630$@com> Message-ID: <26292CDA-868E-4243-BA9A-68BFCA94AF3F@mac.com> My brother and his wife will be visiting from the UK on Saturday, but as Judi will probably prefer to shop in SF over eating oysters, there is a chance Richard and I might make it. They arrive tomorrow and I will see what I can swing. We would probably meet you at the oyster farm as we would be coming up Route1 from Mill Valley. I will be carrying plenty of oil! There is also a possibility we will meet the St Pat's Day drivers at the Pelican for a pint ( in my green car). Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com 415 381 5452 58 MGA On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:31 PM, John Kenner wrote: > WE COULD START AT THE USUAL PLACE MEETING AT 10 FOR A 10:30 DEPARTURE. > AND I'LL LEAD YOU THERE TO ARRIVE AROUND LUNCH TIME. WE COULD PLAN A > STOP > AT THE CHEESE FACTORY TO PICK UP MARINITES, LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS > INTEREST > IN THAT. > IF NO INTEREST WE'LL SKIP THAT PART. > > I'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF WRITTEN ROUTE INSTRUCTIONS > PRIOR TO RIDE DAY. RAIN CANCELS. > > LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL ON SATURDAY, > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > ] On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:56 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 > > You want to put together a starting time and place then lead us out? I > would be happy to go there, we haven't been to the Tomales area in a > while and I'm sure the Marin contingent would appreciate a ride in > their > neck of the woods! > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: > >> MARSHALL FOR OYSTERS???????? >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> 415 806 2457 C >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] > On >> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt >> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:31 PM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 >> >> Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming >> Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> Greg Tatarian wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our >>> house in >>> Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be >>> available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next >>> few days. >>> Cheers, >>> Greg Tatarian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From liamof at earthlink.net Mon Mar 15 21:21:35 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RIDE References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net><005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> <006301cac4b9$1e116210$5a342630$@com> Message-ID: <001601cac4c0$2d459420$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> I will meet you at the cheese factory. Say cheese! Liam 57 MGA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kenner" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RIDE > WE COULD START AT THE USUAL PLACE MEETING AT 10 FOR A 10:30 DEPARTURE. > AND I'LL LEAD YOU THERE TO ARRIVE AROUND LUNCH TIME. WE COULD PLAN A STOP > AT THE CHEESE FACTORY TO PICK UP MARINITES, LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS > INTEREST > IN THAT. > IF NO INTEREST WE'LL SKIP THAT PART. > > I'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF WRITTEN ROUTE INSTRUCTIONS > PRIOR TO RIDE DAY. RAIN CANCELS. > > LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL ON SATURDAY, > > JOHN KENNER > > 510 231 6803 P > 415 806 2457 C > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:56 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 > > You want to put together a starting time and place then lead us out? I > would be happy to go there, we haven't been to the Tomales area in a > while and I'm sure the Marin contingent would appreciate a ride in their > neck of the woods! > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: > >> MARSHALL FOR OYSTERS???????? >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> 415 806 2457 C >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On >> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt >> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:31 PM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Tech Session/BBQ - Saturday, May 1, 2010 >> >> Thanks Greg! In addition, we should have our next ride this coming >> Saturday. Anyone have any thoughts on a destination? >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> Greg Tatarian wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Folks, >>>OK, the tech session/BBQ date is May 1, and will be held at our house in >>>Santa Rosa, starting at 1000. Directions and other details will be >>>available soon for downloading - I'll provide a link in the next few >>>days. >>>Cheers, >>>Greg Tatarian >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Nobbc mailing list >>>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From markdarley at mac.com Mon Mar 15 21:37:15 2010 From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:37:15 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox In-Reply-To: <1849045377C64271A30AADAF4C92DDDC@MARLA> References: <0E2259DB-014B-4826-AC72-01222B77767B@mac.com> <1849045377C64271A30AADAF4C92DDDC@MARLA> Message-ID: <1ACAB7D7-5C41-4E6B-92B6-64EEF6963D56@mac.com> Andy, I am coming up to Petaluma tomorrow to pick up a spare tire from Mike Gianandria. I then have to head back to Mill Valley to trade cars and get to the airport to pick up my brother at 3pm. (Leaving Mill Valley at 2pm) I will give you a call in the morning to see if you have time for a test drive of my gearbox. Of course the problem is, it will be hot and may not demonstrate the problem. Wednesday I am taking my guests sailing on Tomales Bay, but Thursday I may be able to get to San Rafael with a relatively cold gearbox. Talk to you tomorrow (Tuesday) AM. Mark Mark Darley markdarley at mac.com 415 381 5452 Cell 310 5252 On Mar 15, 2010, at 6:26 PM, andy preston wrote: > Mark, I'm in all day tomorrow on Tuesday, and will be driving down > to San > Rafael on Wednesday so perhaps one of those days will work. I'm > also going > on The Saint Patrick's day tour on Thursday that starts in San > Rafael at > 11:00. > > Regarding gearbox oil there are 2 camps, the one says use 30 wt and > the > other recommends 20/50. I had a very sluggish O/D on my B GT which > took a > long time to engage when the engine/gearbox was cold. I filled the > gearbox > and O/D with ATF and left it in there for over a couple of years and > the O/D > worked fine with the thinner oil. I replaced it recently with the > recommended 20/50 and it still works great. Whatever sludge was in > the O/D > was cleaned out by the ATF. You could try ATF in your gearbox as a > trial > and see if it makes any difference; it didn't seem to affect the > performance > of the gearbox at all. > > Andy > > 707 795 3480 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > ] On > Behalf Of Mark Darley > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:46 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Mark's gearbox > > Andy, > > Do you have any time today, and where are you? > Give me a all if you are around, as I may come up as far as Petaluma > around 3pm. > Mark > 58 MGA with sticky gearbox! > > Mark Darley > markdarley at mac.com > Mobile Phone 415 310 5252 > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:40 PM, andy preston wrote: > >> Mark, I started a new thread because your gearbox was getting lost >> in the >> tech session one. I agree with Greg that if your gearbox has done >> 50,000 >> miles it's just tired, but is probably ok for many more miles >> before needing >> a tear down. I like the idea of changing the oil, that might help >> a bit. >> The syncros are probably worn which is why changing up or down is >> fairly >> stiff. Double de-clutching will help going both up and down the >> box. I'd >> try and avoid the 3rd. to 2nd., as much as possible. Unfortunately >> there's >> no magic silver bullet here; the only way to fix it is with a >> complete >> rebuild or another gearbox. I've done a couple of MGB boxes before >> and if >> and when you decide to do it will be pleased to help you. In the >> meantime >> I'd be more than happy to test drive your car and you can drive my >> early MGB >> which has the same gearbox except for the rear extension. I've >> rebuilt the >> box on the B so you can also see how a new box feels. You can also >> drive >> the Coupe but that has a Ford Sierra 5 speed which is completely >> different, >> and that has a notchy first to second change. >> >> >> >> >> >> Andy >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Mon Mar 15 23:41:07 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <575457.69839.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Andy, Have to say that's quite a coincidence that your friend had an Aceca as there were not that many of them produced. Mine has the original AC (Weller) engine in it which is good for about 102 hp. Not exactly neck snapping by today's standards but not too bad. When AC first started putting the AC engine in Aces and Acecas, they were rated at about 85 hp (note that the original "light six" was rated at about 40 hp when it first came out around 1921) and by the end of the production were rated at 105 hp. Bristol engines (an expensive upgrade at the time) were rated at either 105 or 125 depending on the state of tune. When the supply of Bristol engines dried up, AC enlisted the Ford Zephyr which was also an inline 6 cylinder. At its highest state of tune it was rated at 175 hp. My apologies if I got a little bit carried away with the AC history lesson... Will try your suggestions when I get into it this weekend and let you know what I find. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, andy preston wrote: From: andy preston Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:11 PM Greg, I was at a friends house today, watching him paint a car and I asked him if he knew anything about the AC Aceca. To my astonishment he told me that he used to own one and of course regrets selling the car. He said that the original engine was designed in 1919 and stayed almost that way until they installed the Bristol engine and later the Ford Zephyr (Zodiac) V6. What engine do you have in your car? He suggested checking the oil pressure gauge with a manual gauge and then blowing all the oil lines clean. Keep us advised on what happens. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:15 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure HI Mike, Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I'm due for an oil/filter change so will take care of that and look for that adjustment screw. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From ppanther at ix.netcom.com Tue Mar 16 06:22:50 2010 From: ppanther at ix.netcom.com (ppanther) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:22:50 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <575457.69839.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg Give me a call at 415 509-4571 or send me an Email at lgardini at sbcglobal.net I have a friend with an Aceca who says he may be able to help. Larry Gardini -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Hi Andy, Have to say that's quite a coincidence that your friend had an Aceca as there were not that many of them produced. Mine has the original AC (Weller) engine in it which is good for about 102 hp. Not exactly neck snapping by today's standards but not too bad. When AC first started putting the AC engine in Aces and Acecas, they were rated at about 85 hp (note that the original "light six" was rated at about 40 hp when it first came out around 1921) and by the end of the production were rated at 105 hp. Bristol engines (an expensive upgrade at the time) were rated at either 105 or 125 depending on the state of tune. When the supply of Bristol engines dried up, AC enlisted the Ford Zephyr which was also an inline 6 cylinder. At its highest state of tune it was rated at 175 hp. My apologies if I got a little bit carried away with the AC history lesson... Will try your suggestions when I get into it this weekend and let you know what I find. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, andy preston wrote: From: andy preston Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:11 PM Greg, I was at a friends house today, watching him paint a car and I asked him if he knew anything about the AC Aceca. To my astonishment he told me that he used to own one and of course regrets selling the car. He said that the original engine was designed in 1919 and stayed almost that way until they installed the Bristol engine and later the Ford Zephyr (Zodiac) V6. What engine do you have in your car? He suggested checking the oil pressure gauge with a manual gauge and then blowing all the oil lines clean. Keep us advised on what happens. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:15 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure HI Mike, Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I'm due for an oil/filter change so will take care of that and look for that adjustment screw. Best, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Tue Mar 16 07:50:28 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <575457.69839.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1257575112.70071268751028122.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Greg, A buddy of mine in Windsor has an old Aceca in his back yard under a tarp. His father-in-law used to race it and is now in need of restoration. I think it has the Bristol engine in it. Many years ago there was a guy in Santa Rosa whoB was a member of RESCC andB had one with a Ford 289 in it. That thing ran like a scalded dog. I guess this area is Aceca country. Is yours the white one with racing stripes? Cheers, Rich 71 Spitfire B From riprock99 at comcast.net Tue Mar 16 08:14:12 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:14:12 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <575457.69839.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <575457.69839.qm@web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <106B4F0600A0460DAC2DF5BB89F2860C@ScottPC> British HP ratings in the prewar years were based on the bore size only, and not the actual measured HP, or BHP. This was how the tax was calculated and why so many stroker engines were produced. So, the 21 HP is likely closer to the 85 hp than it seems. Scott '65 Spitfire -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Badano" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:41 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hi Andy, > > Have to say that's quite a coincidence that your friend had an Aceca as > there > were not that many of them produced. Mine has the original AC (Weller) > engine > in it which is good for about 102 hp. Not exactly neck snapping by > today's > standards but not too bad. When AC first started putting the AC engine in > Aces and Acecas, they were rated at about 85 hp (note that the original > "light > six" was rated at about 40 hp when it first came out around 1921) and by > the > end of the production were rated at 105 hp. Bristol engines (an expensive > upgrade at the time) were rated at either 105 or 125 depending on the > state of > tune. When the supply of Bristol engines dried up, AC enlisted the Ford > Zephyr which was also an inline 6 cylinder. At its highest state of tune > it > was rated at 175 hp. > > My apologies if I got a little bit carried away with the AC history > lesson... > > Will try your suggestions when I get into it this weekend and let you know > what I find. > > Best, > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 3/15/10, andy preston wrote: > > > From: andy preston > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:11 PM > > > Greg, I was at a friends house today, watching him paint a car and I asked > him if he knew anything about the AC Aceca. To my astonishment he told me > that he used to own one and of course regrets selling the car. He said > that > the original engine was designed in 1919 and stayed almost that way until > they installed the Bristol engine and later the Ford Zephyr (Zodiac) V6. > What engine do you have in your car? He suggested checking the oil > pressure > gauge with a manual gauge and then blowing all the oil lines clean. Keep > us > advised on what happens. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Greg Badano > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:15 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > HI Mike, > > Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I'm due for an oil/filter change so > will take care of that and look for that adjustment screw. > > Best, > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > > > From: Mike Gianandrea > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM > > > Hi Greg, > > I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my > gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing > to > regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil > for > particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that > adjustment > screw. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Hello NOBBC members, >> >> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil >> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my > short >> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure > gauge >> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold >> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct > and >> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >> >> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as > to >> what might be going on? >> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Greg >> '59 AC Aceca >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.790 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 > 12:33:00 From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Tue Mar 16 08:21:45 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <1257575112.70071268751028122.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <884848.5142.qm@web180005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Rich, I'm aware of the one in Windsor through the AC club directory but have never seen it. Would love to, however. Yes, mine is the white one with black racing stripes. This IS Aceca country. A good friend of mine in Santa Rosa has one with a 289 that is nearing completion of a partial restoration, there is another one, complete with original AC engine, in need of total restoration which recently landed in Point Reyes, and another dedicated racing Aceca that was just delivered south of San Francisco. And the new owner of that car has a friend with an Aceca. Considering there were only about 300 made, that's quite a high concentration. We could almost start our own local club! Best, Greg --- On Tue, 3/16/10, rlmossholder at comcast.net wrote: From: rlmossholder at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:50 AM Hi Greg, A buddy of mine in Windsor has an old Aceca in his back yard under a tarp. His father-in-law used to race it and is now in need of restoration. I think it has the Bristol engine in it. Many years ago there was a guy in Santa Rosa whoB was a member of RESCC andB had one with a Ford 289 in it. That thing ran like a scalded dog. I guess this area is Aceca country. Is yours the white one with racing stripes? Cheers, Rich 71 Spitfire B _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From dawson at authorspublishing.com Tue Mar 16 13:01:49 2010 From: dawson at authorspublishing.com (Dawson Church) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> Message-ID: <7C0C3305-3A94-4381-BD53-1C28EBB432A6@authorspublishing.com> I tried to buy dealer workshop manuals for my 1981 Rolls Royce Silver Spirit. I eventually tracked down a set, the guy wanted $800 for them! I found a CD online somewhere for $30. So if you need manuals, try online searches for CDs. Dawson On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Frank Morris wrote: > Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. > > Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the sound > of Brit cars. > > Frank M. > 74 MGB Rat Rod > 71 MGB-GT Parting out > 63 XKE In garage > 61 MGA In restoration > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of don > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM > To: nobbc at autox.team.net > Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > > Hi gang, > > I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book > for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I > have bought several books from this company. The two car books I > bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well > worth the price. > > > STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell > Here is your ultimate reference source for identification > information, serial number information, technical data, historical > information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market > values for models from 1946-1996. > http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______- > > > > Don Scott > Calistoga, CA > > 1962 MGA Mk II > 1973 MGB GT (selling) > 2001 Miata SE BRG > 63-67 MGB (searching) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Tue Mar 16 14:17:02 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:17:02 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book In-Reply-To: <7C0C3305-3A94-4381-BD53-1C28EBB432A6@authorspublishing.com> References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com> <20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net> <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> <7C0C3305-3A94-4381-BD53-1C28EBB432A6@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <001e01cac54e$07514cd0$15f3e670$@com> I got one that covers all years of Spitfires and Heralds also for $30. JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dawson Church Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:02 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Jaguar book I tried to buy dealer workshop manuals for my 1981 Rolls Royce Silver Spirit. I eventually tracked down a set, the guy wanted $800 for them! I found a CD online somewhere for $30. So if you need manuals, try online searches for CDs. Dawson On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Frank Morris wrote: > Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. > > Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the sound > of Brit cars. > > Frank M. > 74 MGB Rat Rod > 71 MGB-GT Parting out > 63 XKE In garage > 61 MGA In restoration > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of don > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM > To: nobbc at autox.team.net > Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > > Hi gang, > > I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book > for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I > have bought several books from this company. The two car books I > bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well > worth the price. > > > STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell > Here is your ultimate reference source for identification > information, serial number information, technical data, historical > information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market > values for models from 1946-1996. > http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______- > > > > Don Scott > Calistoga, CA > > 1962 MGA Mk II > 1973 MGB GT (selling) > 2001 Miata SE BRG > 63-67 MGB (searching) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From liamof at earthlink.net Tue Mar 16 21:34:49 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com><20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL> <7C0C3305-3A94-4381-BD53-1C28EBB432A6@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <001601cac58b$2e32af00$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> By the way, sorry to hear about the house keeper. But maybe you could be a good replacement. You seem to keep a very tidy house. L... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawson Church" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Jaguar book >I tried to buy dealer workshop manuals for my 1981 Rolls Royce Silver >Spirit. > I eventually tracked down a set, the guy wanted $800 for them! > > I found a CD online somewhere for $30. > > So if you need manuals, try online searches for CDs. > > Dawson > > > > > > On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Frank Morris wrote: > >> Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. >> >> Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the sound >> of Brit cars. >> >> Frank M. >> 74 MGB Rat Rod >> 71 MGB-GT Parting out >> 63 XKE In garage >> 61 MGA In restoration >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of don >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM >> To: nobbc at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book >> >> Hi gang, >> >> I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book >> for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I >> have bought several books from this company. The two car books I >> bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well >> worth the price. >> >> >> STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell >> Here is your ultimate reference source for identification >> information, serial number information, technical data, historical >> information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market >> values for models from 1946-1996. >> http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> _______- >> >> >> >> Don Scott >> Calistoga, CA >> >> 1962 MGA Mk II >> 1973 MGB GT (selling) >> 2001 Miata SE BRG >> 63-67 MGB (searching) >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Tue Mar 16 21:34:49 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Message-ID: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE FACTORY ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO MARSHALL. THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. FEEDBACK? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mowog at sonic.net Tue Mar 16 22:33:22 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: <40355F60-A308-46B1-B269-B80D0E2EDBE7@sonic.net> On Mar 16, 2010, at 9:34 PM, John Kenner wrote: > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > FEEDBACK? I missed the earlier part of this plot. Is this jaunt to Hog Island Oysers? -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From liamof at earthlink.net Tue Mar 16 22:45:38 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:45:38 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book References: <4B990586.5020303@gmail.com><20100312070733.253D424DBDB@mail.napanet.net><188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB19BD@echo01.SID.LOCAL><7C0C3305-3A94-4381-BD53-1C28EBB432A6@authorspublishing.com> <001601cac58b$2e32af00$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Message-ID: <000801cac595$13f91390$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Sorry guys ,obviously I responed to the wrong email. Thank God it wasn't more embarrassing. Liam ----- Original Message ----- From: "liam oflaherty" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > By the way, sorry to hear about the house keeper. But maybe you could be > a good replacement. You seem to keep a very tidy house. > L... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawson Church" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Jaguar book > > >>I tried to buy dealer workshop manuals for my 1981 Rolls Royce Silver >>Spirit. >> I eventually tracked down a set, the guy wanted $800 for them! >> >> I found a CD online somewhere for $30. >> >> So if you need manuals, try online searches for CDs. >> >> Dawson >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Frank Morris wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the tip. Looks good and it's a good price too. >>> >>> Happy St. Patty's day to everyone! The hills are alive...with the sound >>> of Brit cars. >>> >>> Frank M. >>> 74 MGB Rat Rod >>> 71 MGB-GT Parting out >>> 63 XKE In garage >>> 61 MGA In restoration >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> On Behalf Of don >>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:45 PM >>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar book >>> >>> Hi gang, >>> >>> I know at least two guys in the nobbc have Jaguars. Here is a book >>> for cheap that would be great for anyone interested in Jaguars. I >>> have bought several books from this company. The two car books I >>> bought, one on Ford V8s and one on Pontiacs were great, and well >>> worth the price. >>> >>> >>> STANDARD CATALOG OF JAGUAR, 1946-2005 by John Gunnell >>> Here is your ultimate reference source for identification >>> information, serial number information, technical data, historical >>> information on all collectible post-war Jaguars, and collector market >>> values for models from 1946-1996. >>> http://www.edwardrhamilton.com/titles/1/6/3/163741x.html >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> _______- >>> >>> >>> >>> Don Scott >>> Calistoga, CA >>> >>> 1962 MGA Mk II >>> 1973 MGB GT (selling) >>> 2001 Miata SE BRG >>> 63-67 MGB (searching) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From liamof at earthlink.net Tue Mar 16 22:49:11 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: <000f01cac595$9217c230$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> See ya all around 11 am at the cheese factory. Hope to see more of the marin folk there. Liam ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kenner" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: > > > > MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM > > FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. > > MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO > > HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE > FACTORY > > ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO > MARSHALL. > > > > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > > > > FEEDBACK? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Mar 16 23:12:37 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: <4BA072D5.7030402@sonic.net> Sounds good John. Where is the Sonoma Bagel located? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: > > > > MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM > > FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. > > MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO > > HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE FACTORY > > ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO > MARSHALL. > > > > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > > > > FEEDBACK? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From splath at comcast.net Tue Mar 16 23:47:28 2010 From: splath at comcast.net (Steve Plath) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:47:28 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RIDE References: <4B9EC794.6020504@gmail.com> <4B9ED15C.8080306@sonic.net><005c01cac4af$cfab9590$6f02c0b0$@com> <4B9EF327.2000805@sonic.net> <006301cac4b9$1e116210$5a342630$@com> Message-ID: <98BC45CC8EAB40158E1BCB96AC70FB78@dell8300> I'd love to come, but I promised my wife I'd be home on Saturday. I do recommend the Marshall Petaluma Road. Head north from the Cheese Factory on Petaluma Point Road about a mile then turn left on Hicks Valley Road. Go all the way to the end and turn left on Marshall Petaluma Road. It's a beautiful drive especially this time of year. Takes you right into Marshall and your oysters. Steve Plath '69 Jag E-type '64 Daimler SP-250 '48 MG TC From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 06:02:39 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA072D5.7030402@sonic.net> References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> <4BA072D5.7030402@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4BA0D2EF.50103@gmail.com> Hi Ron, Greg here, answering for John. Sonoma Valley Bagel is where I've started a couple of runs before; it's located at 350 Rohnert Park Expressway West. That's west of 101, in a small strip mall located adjacent to a gas station. Good parking, coffee, food, restrooms. Cheers, Greg Tatarian Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Sounds good John. Where is the Sonoma Bagel located? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: >> HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: >> >> >> >> MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM >> >> FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. >> >> MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO >> HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE >> FACTORY >> >> ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO >> MARSHALL. >> >> >> >> THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. >> >> >> >> FEEDBACK? >> >> >> >> JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >> 510 231 6803 P >> >> 415 806 2457 C >> >> 510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >> tamalpais_s >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a >> name of image001.gif] >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Wed Mar 17 08:01:56 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <40355F60-A308-46B1-B269-B80D0E2EDBE7@sonic.net> References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> <40355F60-A308-46B1-B269-B80D0E2EDBE7@sonic.net> Message-ID: <001801cac5e2$cb8bfbb0$62a3f310$@com> The Marshall store JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rod Williams Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:33 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN On Mar 16, 2010, at 9:34 PM, John Kenner wrote: > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > FEEDBACK? I missed the earlier part of this plot. Is this jaunt to Hog Island Oysers? -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 08:33:41 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:33:41 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: Sorry to miss another one, but my MGA baby is still missing vital parts like a rad, oil cooler and front shock absorber. All waiting for time to tighten the bolts and shake things down before risking Petaluma-Marshall Rd run. I do love oysters though! Enjoy yourselves, and I hope (really) to be with you in April. Tim 1958 Red MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kenner" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: > > > > MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM > > FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. > > MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO > > HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE > FACTORY > > ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO > MARSHALL. > > > > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > > > > FEEDBACK? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From DPaige at srcity.org Wed Mar 17 08:40:26 2010 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:40:26 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA072D5.7030402@sonic.net> Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C53@MAIL5.sr.local> Miracles will never cease. Pia and I will likely attend the ride to Marshall. We will accompany the group in the Jag. Finally got to work on the TR-6 last night. Only eight bolts on the bell housing and it will be out. I'm always amazed at how quickly I fall back into the oft practiced routine of pulling the tranny. Almost a Zen like experience. It took me just over an hour to get the steering wheel off, the radio and CD out, the dash support out and gut the interior. And, also of course sequester all parts. I suspect that much of the ease of disassembly is due to a liberal coating of never-seize on bolts with lock washers lo these many years ago. I'm going with the Herman Van Den Akker Toyota conversion. For 1700 bucks I think it will be well worth it. 50 lbs lighter is a good thing too. Sliding the tranny into place is always problematic. It's been a long time coming. Free shipping at present too. Whoo Hooo! Ordering up the new ring gear, 14" steering wheel, gear reduction starter and miscellaneous do-dads from Moss to top things off. Hoping for a substantial tax return to finance the works. Will likely sell off at least one of the 2 TR trannys in my possession. While I'm at it. Anyone interested on a Series III GT-6 differential? Have a couple of lenses for the same also Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:13 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Sounds good John. Where is the Sonoma Bagel located? Ron 58 MGA John Kenner wrote: > HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: > > > > MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM > > FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. > > MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD > TO > > HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE > FACTORY > > ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH > TO MARSHALL. > > > > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > > > > FEEDBACK? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name > of image001.gif] _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mvg1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 17 08:46:06 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:46:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: Do they have anything besides oysters? Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kenner" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: > > > > MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM > > FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. > > MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD TO > > HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE > FACTORY > > ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH TO > MARSHALL. > > > > THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. > > > > FEEDBACK? > > > > JOHN KENNER > > > > 510 231 6803 P > > 415 806 2457 C > > 510 231 6805 F > > > > > > tamalpais_s > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > image001.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 09:58:00 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cac58b$2ee0c950$8ca25bf0$@com> Message-ID: <4BA10A18.9030308@gmail.com> Hi Mike, It's a store with other items as well; http://www.themarshallstore.com/ Cheers, Greg Tatarian On 3/17/2010 8:46 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > Do they have anything besides oysters? > > Michael > 64 TR4 From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 10:00:23 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C53@MAIL5.sr.local> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C53@MAIL5.sr.local> Message-ID: <4BA10AA7.5060306@gmail.com> Dean, Is Herman supplying the gearbox, or did you source one yourself? I know Toy gearboxes are pretty easy to find, but how did you handle that? Cheers, Greg Tatarian > I'm going with the Herman Van Den Akker Toyota conversion. For 1700 bucks I > think it will be well worth it. 50 lbs lighter is a good thing too. Sliding > the tranny into place is always problematic. It's been a long time coming. > Free shipping at present too. Whoo Hooo! Ordering up the new ring gear, 14" > steering wheel, gear reduction starter and miscellaneous do-dads from Moss to > top things off. Hoping for a substantial tax return to finance the works. > > Will likely sell off at least one of the 2 TR trannys in my possession. While > I'm at it. Anyone interested on a Series III GT-6 differential? Have a couple > of lenses for the same also > > Deano From mvg1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 17 11:09:16 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide Message-ID: <331B814EADAC45E49C26307BAE3C1FE6@mike> To all members, Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: GIANANDREA Kathleen Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide I vaguely remember hearing about this law it is legitimate however, the Snopes link shows that the fine and points on your license are not nearly as hefty as indicated below. There's a link to snopes below to check it out..... love ya all!!! FYI A GOOD THING TO KNOW: New Law: If a patrol car is pulled over to the side of the road, you have to change to the next lane (away from the stopped vehicle) or slow down by 20 mph. Every state except Hawaii and Maryland and D.C. has adopted this law now. In California , the "Move-over" law became operative on January first, 2010. http://www.moveoveramerica.com/ A friend's son got a ticket for this recently. A police car (turned out it was 2 police cars) was on the side of the road giving a ticket to someone else. He slowed down to pass but did not move into the other lane. The second police car immediately pulled him over and gave him a ticket. He had never heard of the law. It is a fairly new law that states if any emergency vehicle is on the side of the road, if you are able, you are to move into the far lane. The cost of the ticket was $754, with 3 points on your license and a mandatory court appearance. Please tell everyone you know about this new law. http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/moveover .asp ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. Sign up now. ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ From DPaige at srcity.org Wed Mar 17 13:14:28 2010 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:14:28 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA10AA7.5060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> Now there is the question. Thinking about hitting the local tranny shops to see if rebuilds are available locally or maybe the pick and pay yard. Good rebuilt in S Cal is $800 according to Herman. Best unit is the W-58 per Herman. Still a far cry from Moss's Conversion which comes in at 5K OUCH! Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:00 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Dean, Is Herman supplying the gearbox, or did you source one yourself? I know Toy gearboxes are pretty easy to find, but how did you handle that? Cheers, Greg Tatarian > I'm going with the Herman Van Den Akker Toyota conversion. For 1700 bucks I > think it will be well worth it. 50 lbs lighter is a good thing too. Sliding > the tranny into place is always problematic. It's been a long time coming. > Free shipping at present too. Whoo Hooo! Ordering up the new ring gear, 14" > steering wheel, gear reduction starter and miscellaneous do-dads from Moss to > top things off. Hoping for a substantial tax return to finance the works. > > Will likely sell off at least one of the 2 TR trannys in my possession. While > I'm at it. Anyone interested on a Series III GT-6 differential? Have a couple > of lenses for the same also > > Deano _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Wed Mar 17 13:54:05 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:54:05 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C53@MAIL5.sr.local> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C53@MAIL5.sr.local> Message-ID: <4BA1416D.8010906@sonic.net> Wow! Be good to see you and Pia, it's been a while. Regarding the speed of your repairs, it's amazing how fast you can be after owning a car for close to 40 years ;-0 Ron 58 MGA Paige, Dean wrote: > Miracles will never cease. Pia and I will likely attend the ride to Marshall. > We will accompany the group in the Jag. > > Finally got to work on the TR-6 last night. Only eight bolts on the bell > housing and it will be out. I'm always amazed at how quickly I fall back into > the oft practiced routine of pulling the tranny. Almost a Zen like experience. > It took me just over an hour to get the steering wheel off, the radio and CD > out, the dash support out and gut the interior. And, also of course sequester > all parts. I suspect that much of the ease of disassembly is due to a liberal > coating of never-seize on bolts with lock washers lo these many years ago. > > I'm going with the Herman Van Den Akker Toyota conversion. For 1700 bucks I > think it will be well worth it. 50 lbs lighter is a good thing too. Sliding > the tranny into place is always problematic. It's been a long time coming. > Free shipping at present too. Whoo Hooo! Ordering up the new ring gear, 14" > steering wheel, gear reduction starter and miscellaneous do-dads from Moss to > top things off. Hoping for a substantial tax return to finance the works. > > Will likely sell off at least one of the 2 TR trannys in my possession. While > I'm at it. Anyone interested on a Series III GT-6 differential? Have a couple > of lenses for the same also > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:13 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > > Sounds good John. Where is the Sonoma Bagel located? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > John Kenner wrote: > >>HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF: >> >> >> >>MEET AT THE SONOMA BAGEL COMPANY IN ROHNERT PARK AT 9:30 AM >> >>FOR A 10 AM DEPARTURE. STONY POINT ROAD TO MECHAM ROAD. >> >>MECHAM ROAD TO BOGEGA ROAD TO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD TO WILSON HILL ROAD >>TO >> >>HICKS VALLEY ROAD TO PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD ARRIVING AT THE CHEESE >>FACTORY >> >>ABOUT 11AM. LEAVE AROUND 11:15 GOING WEST TO HIGHWAY 1 AND THEN NORTH >>TO MARSHALL. >> >> >> >>THEN EAT OYSTERS AND GO HOME. >> >> >> >>FEEDBACK? >> >> >> >>JOHN KENNER >> >> >> >>510 231 6803 P >> >>415 806 2457 C >> >>510 231 6805 F >> >> >> >> >> >>tamalpais_s >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name >>of image001.gif] _______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Wed Mar 17 13:57:35 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:57:35 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] 5 SPEEDS Message-ID: <00a401cac614$7a845960$6f8d0c20$@com> ON THE SUBJECT. I BOUGHT A COMPLETE SPITFIRE WITH A 1500 MOTOR AND AN OVERDRIVE TRANNY FOR $400. HAD THE TRANNY WORKED OVER FOR $600. AND NOW MY '64 TRIUMPH HERALD WILL HAVE A 1500 MOTOR AND AN OVERDRIVE TRANNY. JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 14:10:17 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> Message-ID: <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> The W-58 was the only Toyota gearbox I was aware of that was being used for this conversion. Isn't the Moss conversion a Ford T-9? They aren't anywhere as easy to come by in the states as they are in the UK. Toyota 'boxes used to trade for about $250, unrebuilt. There seems to be an uptick in the prices for these, with a number of buyers being us TR owners! $800 for a rebuilt is fair in my opinion, if new parts have been used where needed (synchros, bearings). I like the way the Toyota gearbox shifts, though perhaps not as much as the stock TR 'box, but it's much better than some other Toyota and Honda boxes I've seen in conversions in other cars. Looks like you'll be cruisin' soon! Cheers, Greg On 3/17/2010 1:14 PM, Paige, Dean wrote: > Now there is the question. Thinking about hitting the local tranny shops to > see if rebuilds are available locally or maybe the pick and pay yard. Good > rebuilt in S Cal is $800 according to Herman. Best unit is the W-58 per > Herman. Still a far cry from Moss's Conversion which comes in at 5K OUCH! > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:00 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN From jkenner at tamcab.com Wed Mar 17 14:17:45 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:17:45 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> DEANO, THE REST OF US TR250 & TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:10 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN The W-58 was the only Toyota gearbox I was aware of that was being used for this conversion. Isn't the Moss conversion a Ford T-9? They aren't anywhere as easy to come by in the states as they are in the UK. Toyota 'boxes used to trade for about $250, unrebuilt. There seems to be an uptick in the prices for these, with a number of buyers being us TR owners! $800 for a rebuilt is fair in my opinion, if new parts have been used where needed (synchros, bearings). I like the way the Toyota gearbox shifts, though perhaps not as much as the stock TR 'box, but it's much better than some other Toyota and Honda boxes I've seen in conversions in other cars. Looks like you'll be cruisin' soon! Cheers, Greg On 3/17/2010 1:14 PM, Paige, Dean wrote: > Now there is the question. Thinking about hitting the local tranny shops to > see if rebuilds are available locally or maybe the pick and pay yard. Good > rebuilt in S Cal is $800 according to Herman. Best unit is the W-58 per > Herman. Still a far cry from Moss's Conversion which comes in at 5K OUCH! > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:00 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 14:24:41 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> Message-ID: <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! Greg Tatarian On 3/17/2010 2:17 PM, John Kenner wrote: > DEANO, > > THE REST OF US TR250& TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. > THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. > > > JOHN KENNER From jkenner at tamcab.com Wed Mar 17 14:27:21 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:27:21 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b501cac618$a2a57e70$e7f07b50$@com> STICK WITH THE V8 JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! Greg Tatarian On 3/17/2010 2:17 PM, John Kenner wrote: > DEANO, > > THE REST OF US TR250& TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. > THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. > > > JOHN KENNER _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From morrisf at SIDWater.org Wed Mar 17 14:32:21 2010 From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:32:21 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local><4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E1EB1A11@echo01.SID.LOCAL> I don't know if you all have seen this conversion...a beautiful Jag 3.8L into a Spridget. Personally, I would rather just locate a 3.8L to put into my XKE that has the Pontiac OHC in it. http://www.coupers-cars.com/sprite_restoration.htm -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:25 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! Greg Tatarian On 3/17/2010 2:17 PM, John Kenner wrote: > DEANO, > > THE REST OF US TR250& TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. > THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. > > > JOHN KENNER _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sonomashoe at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 14:34:57 2010 From: sonomashoe at gmail.com (William Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:34:57 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA14B01.80704@gmail.com> The BMW in line 6 is one of their most reliable engines..had a 3.5 liter in my 735 il..ran like a top with plenty of power. I would avoid the V12 too! Bill Shoemaker Jag XJ6's Greg Tatarian wrote: > Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into > a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about > the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! > > Greg Tatarian > > > > On 3/17/2010 2:17 PM, John Kenner wrote: >> DEANO, >> >> THE REST OF US TR250& TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. >> THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. >> >> >> JOHN KENNER > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From bluesson at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 14:40:01 2010 From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA14B01.80704@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local>, <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com>, <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com>, <4BA14B01.80704@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, You should talk with Mark Grinnall at www.grinnallcars.com. He's not currently doing this, but he built a huge reputation turning TR6's into TR8s. I believe they went to Rover v8s. As you'll see at the site, MG is busy with three wheelers in several styles, including my Grinnall Scorpion III. But he knows all about conversions, setups, suspension, you name it...if you're dropping a bigger engine into a TR6. "Tripod" Tom - Grinnall S3/07 Mini S > Greg Tatarian wrote > > Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into > > a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about > > the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! > > > > Greg Tatarian > > > > > > > > On 3/17/2010 2:17 PM, John Kenner wrote: > >> DEANO, > >> > >> THE REST OF US TR250& TR6 GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FINAL OUTCOME REPORT. > >> THEY SURE RAVE ABOUT IT IN THE TR MAGAZINES. > >> > >> > >> JOHN KENNER > > _______________________________________________ > > Nobbc mailing list > > Nobbc at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 15:36:24 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:36:24 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Big Engines in TRs In-Reply-To: <4BA14B01.80704@gmail.com> References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C55@MAIL5.sr.local> <4BA14539.7060004@gmail.com> <00b301cac617$4b448690$e1cd93b0$@com> <4BA14899.1020805@gmail.com> <4BA14B01.80704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BA15968.7020801@gmail.com> Hi Bill, Frank, Tom and John, Re-named this thread so we don't hijack John's Oyster Run... I wasn't thinking of reliability so much as ridiculous and outrageous fun - much like the Spridget with the Jag engine. One of our members, Jerry Kehoe, who hasn't been on drives in awhile, stuck a BMW V12 in his vintage Formula 3000 race car, which he stretched and essentially turned into a Formula 1 car. Off came all of the ancilliaries, on went a racing fuel pump and custom injectors and throttle bodies. Of course, Jerry had many more mods to do for the engine to work in that application, but looking at the length of the TR6 engine bay and the size of the BMW V12 engine had me thinking that such a conversion would be possible, and would definitely be interesting to drive and to look at. Particularly with big velocity stacks poking out of the hood! Of course, at that point the car would need lots of driveline massaging to make it stay together - the engine would probably be the most reliable of all of the components. Just thought it might be fun to pop the hood at a car show - two inline 6's with the same weight! Cheers, Greg On 3/17/2010 2:34 PM, William Shoemaker wrote: > The BMW in line 6 is one of their most reliable engines..had a 3.5 > liter in my 735 il..ran like a top with plenty of power. I would avoid > the V12 too! > > Bill Shoemaker > Jag XJ6's > > Greg Tatarian wrote: >> Ditto, John, but I'm still pondering how to fit a BMW V12 engine into >> a TR6. Should be plenty of room, and the all aluminum motor is about >> the same weight. A strong gearbox is essential then! >> >> Greg Tatarian From apexbrit2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 17:47:05 2010 From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide In-Reply-To: <331B814EADAC45E49C26307BAE3C1FE6@mike> References: <331B814EADAC45E49C26307BAE3C1FE6@mike> Message-ID: <95a735e61003171747y69de627bp117da9e35d2adff4@mail.gmail.com> Here is the DMV reference: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21809.htm Cheers, Robin On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > To all members, > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GIANANDREA Kathleen > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:25 AM > Subject: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide > > > > I vaguely remember hearing about this law it is legitimate however, the > Snopes link shows that the fine and points on your license are not nearly > as > hefty as indicated below. There's a link to snopes below to check it > out..... > love ya all!!! > > > > > > > > FYI > > > > > > > > > > A GOOD THING TO KNOW: > > New Law: If a patrol car is pulled over to the > side of the road, you have to change to the next lane (away from the > stopped > vehicle) or slow down by 20 mph. Every state except Hawaii and Maryland > and > D.C. has adopted this law now. > > In California , the "Move-over" law became > operative on January first, 2010. http://www.moveoveramerica.com/ > > A friend's son got a ticket for this recently. A > police car (turned out it was 2 police cars) was on the side of the road > giving a ticket to someone else. He slowed down to pass but did not move > into > the other lane. The second police car immediately pulled him over and gave > him > a ticket. He had never heard of the law. > > It is a fairly new law that states if any > emergency vehicle is on the side of the road, if you are able, you are to > move > into the far lane. The cost of the ticket was $754, with 3 points on your > license and a mandatory court appearance. > > Please tell everyone you know about this new > law. > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/moveover > .asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. Sign up now. > ============================================================ > The information contained in this message may be privileged > and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee > or agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, > dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and > deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs > ============================================================ > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 07:36:24 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] 5 SPEEDS In-Reply-To: <00a401cac614$7a845960$6f8d0c20$@com> Message-ID: <506601100.988591268922984359.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> B Pick and Pull in Windsor always has the Toyota 5 speed gear boxes for about $170. Last time I checked, a rebuildB kit was about $100. You can make a crayon rubbing of the bell housing and your engine end plate.B Center theB rubbings and make a new wood end plate template, drill outB all theB bolt holes. Get aB piece of 1/4" plate steelB or aluminum fromB a metal supplier (about $30) and cut out your new end plate. Drill all the bolt holes and viola you have the same thing for a lot less money. You will have to make a new pilot bushing and substitute aB Toyota clutch disc for the Trumph one. It's not toB difficult to do. My dad and I did this for a GT-6 a long time ago and it worked pretty well. You may have to cut the frame a littleB to make it all fit though. Cheers, RichB B B B From rlmossholder at comcast.net Thu Mar 18 07:55:30 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239504654.998531268924130454.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Guys, lets not forget the greatest British car ever made (debateable) came with that aluminum BMW V-12...The McLaren F1. I say go for it. If anything, it'll sound really cool, and should run like a scalded dog. If you have the budget andB want to reduce the weight even more, may I suggest the Heartly H1 V8. Here's the link:B http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562069.htm Cheers, Rich From home at drummondlaw.com Thu Mar 18 09:04:22 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:04:22 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide In-Reply-To: <95a735e61003171747y69de627bp117da9e35d2adff4@mail.gmail.com> References: <331B814EADAC45E49C26307BAE3C1FE6@mike> <95a735e61003171747y69de627bp117da9e35d2adff4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409959D7960244EC875E7C36ABB78BEB@dandebbie> Very interesting. Note that the law applies to freeways only, not other roads or highways. Note also that it includes tow trucks and CalTrans vehicles if their warning lights are on. The provision about slowing to a reasonable and prudent speed is sure to be subject to varying interpretations. Dan 66 MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robin Jackson Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:47 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide Here is the DMV reference: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21809.htm Cheers, Robin On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > To all members, > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GIANANDREA Kathleen > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:25 AM > Subject: NEW TRAFFIC LAW nationwide > > > > I vaguely remember hearing about this law it is legitimate however, the > Snopes link shows that the fine and points on your license are not nearly > as > hefty as indicated below. There's a link to snopes below to check it > out..... > love ya all!!! > > > > > > > > FYI > > > > > > > > > > A GOOD THING TO KNOW: > > New Law: If a patrol car is pulled over to the > side of the road, you have to change to the next lane (away from the > stopped > vehicle) or slow down by 20 mph. Every state except Hawaii and Maryland > and > D.C. has adopted this law now. > > In California , the "Move-over" law became > operative on January first, 2010. http://www.moveoveramerica.com/ > > A friend's son got a ticket for this recently. A > police car (turned out it was 2 police cars) was on the side of the road > giving a ticket to someone else. He slowed down to pass but did not move > into > the other lane. The second police car immediately pulled him over and gave > him > a ticket. He had never heard of the law. > > It is a fairly new law that states if any > emergency vehicle is on the side of the road, if you are able, you are to > move > into the far lane. The cost of the ticket was $754, with 3 points on your > license and a mandatory court appearance. > > Please tell everyone you know about this new > law. > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/moveover > .asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > --- > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. Sign up now. > ============================================================ > The information contained in this message may be privileged > and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee > or agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, > dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and > deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs > ============================================================ > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From DPaige at srcity.org Thu Mar 18 10:37:40 2010 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] 5 SPEEDS In-Reply-To: <506601100.988591268922984359.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B92557570C56@MAIL5.sr.local> I just don't have the time or inclination to go through it. The W85 is what I need and apparently they are rare as hens teeth. With most of them going to retrofits on roadsters evidently. I sourced (Herman suggestion) with warrantee a rebuilt W85 down in LA and with shipping and taxes it came to 1K. The kit Herman supplies is complete to the point of providing braided steel tubing for the new clutch slave, clutch disc, speedo cable, throw out bearing, pilot bushing and easy installation instructions for all the other parts. I've seen the conversion and it is very impressively put together. The 3K it will cost me for the entire shebang will come out of a substantial tax return. I live a very active life. Lots of time working outside and inside at my home. A full time job in the Environmental area where I have at least 12 regulatory agencies to deal with on a daily basis. OY Vey! Add to that hiking, biking, socializing with friends and family, concerts, travel etc, etc. Don't get me wrong. Over the years I've owned the TR I was as frugal as a miser. Lots of baling wire and twine so to speak. And given that the car has given me ~350+K miles; really the beast deserves the best. Now with the rest of the roadster in great condition; new engine, newish paint, near perfect interior et al, the whole project will give me great satisfaction in getting quality parts for my long time pal (the TR) and give me a thrill as I back it out of the garage and out to the country roads once again. All in all lowering my blood pressure and increasing my joy in life. You results may vary. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rlmossholder at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:36 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] 5 SPEEDS B Pick and Pull in Windsor always has the Toyota 5 speed gear boxes for about $170. Last time I checked, a rebuildB kit was about $100. You can make a crayon rubbing of the bell housing and your engine end plate.B Center theB rubbings and make a new wood end plate template, drill outB all theB bolt holes. Get aB piece of 1/4" plate steelB or aluminum fromB a metal supplier (about $30) and cut out your new end plate. Drill all the bolt holes and viola you have the same thing for a lot less money. You will have to make a new pilot bushing and substitute aB Toyota clutch disc for the Trumph one. It's not toB difficult to do. My dad and I did this for a GT-6 a long time ago and it worked pretty well. You may have to cut the frame a littleB to make it all fit though. Cheers, RichB B B B _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jkenner at tamcab.com Thu Mar 18 21:08:42 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:08:42 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Message-ID: <002601cac719$dd8f5b30$98ae1190$@com> OK, HERE IS THE PLAN FOR SATURDAY ONCE AGAIN IN MORE DETAIL: WE WILL MEET AT THE SONOMA VALLEY BAGEL COMPANY, 350 ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY WEST AT 9:30 AM. THIS IS JUST WEST OF HIGHWAY 101 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IN A LITTLE MALL JUST PAST A BIG GAS STATION. WE WILL DEPART THERE AT 10AM TURNING RIGHT AND HEADING WEST ON ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY. AT STONY POINT ROAD WE WILL TURN LEFT HEADING SOUTH. WE WILL GO A FEW MILES TO MECHAM ROAD AND TURN RIGHT. WE WILL FOLLOW MECHAM ROAD FOR SEVERAL MILES AND TURN RIGHT HEADING WEST ONTO BODEGA ROAD. AFTER A FEW MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD AND HEAD SOUTH FOR MAYBE 15 MILES UNTIL WE MEET WILSON HILL ROAD WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT. AFTER ABOUT 5 MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO HICKS VALLEY ROAD FOR A FEW MILES UNTIL IT ENDS AT PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD. THERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT AND GO TO THE CHEESE FACTORY TO MEET UP WITH THE MARIN PEOPLE. WE SHOULD ARRIVE AT THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11AM. WE WILL DEPART THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11:15 OR 11:20 AND HEAD WEST ON THE PETALUMA POINT REYES ROAD UNTIL WE MEET HIGHWAY 1 WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT, HEADING NORTH AND GO ON TO MARSHALL. ABOUT 15 MORE MILES. AT THE MARSHALL STORE THEY SERVE OYSTERS AND HAVE A DELI AND AN OUTSIDE SITTING AREA. I AM TOLD THERE IS PARKING AT THE POST OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS CLOSED ON SATURDAYS. AFTER LUNCH I PLAN ON HEADING NORTH A LITTLE WAYS TO THE MARSHAL ROAD AND HEAD EAST BACK TO WILSON HILL ROAD AND DO THE ROUTE IN REVERSE TO GET HOME. IF I HAVE MADE ANY MISTAKES LET ME KNOW SOON AND I'LL WRITE IT UP AGAIN. THIS SATURDAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF SPRING AND THIS RUN WILL BE A GREAT WAY TO BREAK IN THE NEW SEASON. SEE YOU AT 9:30! JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From home at drummondlaw.com Thu Mar 18 21:20:37 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <002601cac719$dd8f5b30$98ae1190$@com> References: <002601cac719$dd8f5b30$98ae1190$@com> Message-ID: <9B8C5C7FC33D41A1BD6291BAB80166DA@dandebbie> Sounds great! Looking forward to it. See you Saturday. Dan 66MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Kenner Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:09 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN OK, HERE IS THE PLAN FOR SATURDAY ONCE AGAIN IN MORE DETAIL: WE WILL MEET AT THE SONOMA VALLEY BAGEL COMPANY, 350 ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY WEST AT 9:30 AM. THIS IS JUST WEST OF HIGHWAY 101 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IN A LITTLE MALL JUST PAST A BIG GAS STATION. WE WILL DEPART THERE AT 10AM TURNING RIGHT AND HEADING WEST ON ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY. AT STONY POINT ROAD WE WILL TURN LEFT HEADING SOUTH. WE WILL GO A FEW MILES TO MECHAM ROAD AND TURN RIGHT. WE WILL FOLLOW MECHAM ROAD FOR SEVERAL MILES AND TURN RIGHT HEADING WEST ONTO BODEGA ROAD. AFTER A FEW MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD AND HEAD SOUTH FOR MAYBE 15 MILES UNTIL WE MEET WILSON HILL ROAD WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT. AFTER ABOUT 5 MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO HICKS VALLEY ROAD FOR A FEW MILES UNTIL IT ENDS AT PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD. THERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT AND GO TO THE CHEESE FACTORY TO MEET UP WITH THE MARIN PEOPLE. WE SHOULD ARRIVE AT THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11AM. WE WILL DEPART THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11:15 OR 11:20 AND HEAD WEST ON THE PETALUMA POINT REYES ROAD UNTIL WE MEET HIGHWAY 1 WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT, HEADING NORTH AND GO ON TO MARSHALL. ABOUT 15 MORE MILES. AT THE MARSHALL STORE THEY SERVE OYSTERS AND HAVE A DELI AND AN OUTSIDE SITTING AREA. I AM TOLD THERE IS PARKING AT THE POST OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS CLOSED ON SATURDAYS. AFTER LUNCH I PLAN ON HEADING NORTH A LITTLE WAYS TO THE MARSHAL ROAD AND HEAD EAST BACK TO WILSON HILL ROAD AND DO THE ROUTE IN REVERSE TO GET HOME. IF I HAVE MADE ANY MISTAKES LET ME KNOW SOON AND I'LL WRITE IT UP AGAIN. THIS SATURDAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF SPRING AND THIS RUN WILL BE A GREAT WAY TO BREAK IN THE NEW SEASON. SEE YOU AT 9:30! JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 07:06:29 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <239504654.998531268924130454.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <239504654.998531268924130454.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA384E5.5060803@gmail.com> Yes, Rich, that's a nice looking engine package. I particularly liked the Lotus 7 install! However, at a starting price of $28k, that's about $27k more than I could get a V12 from a yard, many of which have relatively low miles. BTW, those Busa engines (Hyabusa motorcycle motors) are stuck in the back of classic Minis, and the front of 7s - very quick indeed, and high-revving. How's the Spitfire coming along? Cheers, Greg rlmossholder at comcast.net wrote: > > If you have the budget andB want to reduce the weight even more, may I suggest > the Heartly H1 V8. > > Here's the link:B http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562069.htm > > > > Cheers, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 09:07:32 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <1084766781.1437021269013062099.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Greg, B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did you watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is astonishing!B B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a bolt from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum for the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. I found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine out I decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as the pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have one carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that down next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been taken to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and add a little HP to the mix as well.B The main goal is to build a reliable engine with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller rockers too. B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always thought it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in the fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will also be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" round LED markers with chrome bezels.B I am , however, keeping the original bonnet in tact. Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. Rich From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 09:41:16 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA3A92C.7020406@gmail.com> Hi Rich, > Since I had the engine out I > decided to rebuild it all. Nice! > All the engine bearings were shot as well as the > pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were > running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have one > carb . Are you running a Weber DGV? I have seen the pattern you mention in siamesed heads like the MGB and others, including earlier MG and Triumph products. Which engine do you have? If the head isn't siamesed, is your intake manifold? > Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a > J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that down > next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been taken > to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat > topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and add > a little HP to the mix as well.B The main goal is to build a reliable engine > with a little more power. We are balancing everything Very nice! > and adding roller > rockers too. > You probably know this, but for others thinking about roller rockers, it's good to be very cautious about ratio, particularly if you are changing piston configuration so there could be valve interference. Many roller rockers have a higher than stock ratio... > B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always thought > it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be > weldingB that soon. How about the GT-6 long bulge? Very XKE-like. > I also want to move the headlights back farther in the > fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the > '60s.B Wow. > Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth > things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just > dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will also > be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" > round LED markers with chrome bezels.B Are you using LEDs for the turn signals, or just the running lights? If turn signals, what will you be doing for matching flasher resistance to the LED lights? > I am , however, keeping the original > bonnet in tact. > > > > Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. > > Rich > Thanks, and have fun on the Spit. Cheers, Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Fri Mar 19 11:46:59 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <4BA384E5.5060803@gmail.com> References: <239504654.998531268924130454.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4BA384E5.5060803@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was back in England two months ago and happened across a guy doing a similar engine into Lotus 7's and Elise's etc. Turned out he had ran the Honda bike racing team in the UK for a number of years and then branched into the same kind of engine development. his V8 put out 500bhp+ and in a Lotus 7 that is about 1000HP/ton! Tim 1958 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Tatarian" Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:06 AM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines > Yes, Rich, that's a nice looking engine package. I particularly liked the > Lotus 7 install! However, at a starting price of $28k, that's about $27k > more than I could get a V12 from a yard, many of which have relatively low > miles. BTW, those Busa engines (Hyabusa motorcycle motors) are stuck in > the back of classic Minis, and the front of 7s - very quick indeed, and > high-revving. > How's the Spitfire coming along? > Cheers, > Greg > > > > rlmossholder at comcast.net wrote: >> >> If you have the budget andB want to reduce the weight even more, may I >> suggest >> the Heartly H1 V8. >> >> Here's the link:B http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562069.htm >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From riprock99 at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 19:08:39 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <870A9E51F46A4C26B2C9FBABF2E5DB60@ScottPC> Hi Rich, Don't ride with the club much, but I wanted to tell you I've done a similar thing to my Spitfire. You may want to consider sourcing a cyl head from a Toledo. These have larger valves than the Spitfire heads and go well with the 9:1 pistons. Also look very carefully at the space between cyl 2 and 3 on the head for erosion. It's very small and a good spot to blow the head gasket (voice of experience). The symptom is no compression at all on 2 and 3, but also no fluid mixing. You can mate a 1300 intake system with dual 1.25 SU's OK, or find the home market dual 1.5 SU system, or weberise the single carb manifold to good results. The overdrive will require a shorter driveshaft and a bit of tunnel removed to get to the u-joint. I used a shop in Santa Rosa to re-pipe my driveshaft. The speedo cable is also longer and uses a right angle adapter off the tranny. God luck with it all. Scott '65 Spitfire -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:07 AM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines > Hi Greg, > > > > B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did > you > watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is > astonishing!B > > > > B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from > participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a > bolt > from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum > for > the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a > standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I > couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. > I > found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine > out I > decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as > the > pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were > running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have > one > carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a > J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that > down > next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been > taken > to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat > topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and > add > a little HP to the mix as well.B The main goal is to build a reliable > engine > with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller > rockers too. > > > > B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always > thought > it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be > weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in the > fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the > '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth > things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just > dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will > also > be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" > round LED markers with chrome bezels.B I am , however, keeping the > original > bonnet in tact. > > > > Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2758 - Release Date: 03/19/10 > 15:07:00 From riprock99 at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 20:49:09 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <870A9E51F46A4C26B2C9FBABF2E5DB60@ScottPC> References: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <870A9E51F46A4C26B2C9FBABF2E5DB60@ScottPC> Message-ID: <04E0D11A5F224EF8959BE94CCD084CAE@ScottPC> Ouch, I just remembered the gearbox output shaft is different than non-overdrive, and that there needs to be the shift control linkage that has the switch to disable overdrive in all but 3rd and top gear. OD in reverse will damage the OD's one-way rotation bearing, and OD in 1st or 2nd can cause over-revving on downshifts. OD is almost mandatory for U.S. highways though. Also, a 3.89:1 diff is desirable if yours is 4.11:1. The 4.11:1 inner axle shafts are smaller and can't handle the torque of the 1500 very well. I think I'll try to meet at the Cheese Factory tomorrow for a chat. Scott -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Irwin" Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:08 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines > Hi Rich, > Don't ride with the club much, but I wanted to tell you I've done a > similar thing to my Spitfire. You may want to consider sourcing a cyl > head > from a Toledo. These have larger valves than the Spitfire heads and go > well > with the 9:1 pistons. Also look very carefully at the space between cyl 2 > and 3 on the head for erosion. It's very small and a good spot to blow > the > head gasket (voice of experience). The symptom is no compression at all > on > 2 and 3, but also no fluid mixing. You can mate a 1300 intake system with > dual 1.25 SU's OK, or find the home market dual 1.5 SU system, or weberise > the single carb manifold to good results. > > The overdrive will require a shorter driveshaft and a bit of tunnel > removed > to get to the u-joint. I used a shop in Santa Rosa to re-pipe my > driveshaft. The speedo cable is also longer and uses a right angle > adapter > off the tranny. God luck with it all. > > Scott > '65 Spitfire > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:07 AM > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines > >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did >> you >> watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is >> astonishing!B >> >> >> >> B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from >> participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a >> bolt >> from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum >> for >> the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a >> standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I >> couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. >> I >> found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine >> out I >> decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as >> the >> pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were >> running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have >> one >> carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a >> J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that >> down >> next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been >> taken >> to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat >> topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and >> add >> a little HP to the mix as well.B The main goal is to build a reliable >> engine >> with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller >> rockers too. >> >> >> >> B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always >> thought >> it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be >> weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in >> the >> fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the >> '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and >> smooth >> things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It >> just >> dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will >> also >> be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with >> 3/4" >> round LED markers with chrome bezels.B I am , however, keeping the >> original >> bonnet in tact. >> >> >> >> Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. >> >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2758 - Release Date: 03/19/10 >> 15:07:00 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2758 - Release Date: 03/19/10 > 15:07:00 From rlmossholder at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 21:15:00 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <04E0D11A5F224EF8959BE94CCD084CAE@ScottPC> Message-ID: <722448097.1712891269058500249.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Scott, Thanks for the advice. I had good compression on all cylinders, although a little on the low side (120,122,121,122). I have the Weber DGV on the carB John Kenner hasB a rebuiltB 4.11:1 dif that I'm going to buy. I have the shift lever with the switch as well. The drive shaft is being cut and balanced by the machine shop that I have the engine at. I'll have toB get a new speedo cable. I won't be able to attend the ride tomorrow, other plans. I'd like to meet you and talk spitfires sometime. Cheers, Rich M '71 Spitfire B From mikestagnaro at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 22:06:22 2010 From: mikestagnaro at comcast.net (mikestagnaro at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <514306218.1452451269014852587.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <474939087.354561269061582941.JavaMail.root@sz0083a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Rich, Your idea of doing streamlined head lamps ala Le Mans is something I have always concidered for my MGA. For my taste, I've always thought the design of the A was pretty darn perfect, with the exception being the boxy design of the front fender leading edge/headlamp. If you ever figure out how to do the perspex design please let me know, I'd love to see a solution. Mike 57 MGA ----- Original Message ----- From: rlmossholder at comcast.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines Hi Greg, B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did you watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is astonishing!B B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a bolt from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum for the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. I found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine out I decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as the pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have one carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that down next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been taken to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and add a little HP to the mix as well.B The main goal is to build a reliable engine with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller rockers too. B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always thought it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in the fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will also be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" round LED markers with chrome bezels.B I am , however, keeping the original bonnet in tact. Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. Rich _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of lemans2004_01fred.jpg] From don at napanet.net Fri Mar 19 22:39:06 2010 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:39:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jaguar mag-book Message-ID: <20100320060350.7489C24BA63@mail.napanet.net> Hi gang, More Jaguar reading material info: Barnes & Noble in Santa Rosa has a few of these left. They are Jaguar "mag-books" called Jaguar- the Complete Story. It is a beautiful publication of 250 pages and is $13. It's in the magazine section. Here is info on it: http://shop.instant-shop.com/Octaneshop/product4090536catno200536.html _______________________________________________________________________________- Don Scott Calistoga, CA 1962 MGA Mk II 1973 MGB GT (selling) 2001 Miata SE BRG 63-67 MGB (searching) From rlmossholder at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 08:22:39 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <1617706073.1773061269098354761.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <439909439.1774331269098559121.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Mike, Will do. I know how to make the curved lexan covers, but I'm not a body man. That's what I need to figure out. By the way, are you related to a Tony Stagnaro ? He was a friend of mineB Piner High School. Cheers, Rich Mossholder '71 Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: mikestagnaro @comcast.net To: "North Bay British Car Club" < nobbc @ autox .team.net> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:06:22 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [ Nobbc ] TRs and big engines Rich, Your idea of doing streamlined head lamps ala Le Mans is something I have always concidered for my MGA . B For my taste, I've always thought the design of the A was pretty darn perfect, with the exception being the boxy design of the front fender leading edge/headlamp. B If you ever figure out how to do the perspex design please let me know, I'd love to see a solution. Mike 57 MGA ----- Original Message ----- From: rlmossholder @comcast.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:07:32 +0000 ( UTC ) Subject: Re: [ Nobbc ] TRs and big engines Hi Greg, B B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did you watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is astonishing!B B B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a bolt from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum for the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. I found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine out I decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as the pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have one carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that down next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been taken to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and add a little HP to the mix as well.B B The main goal is to build a reliable engine with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller rockers too. B B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always thought it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in the fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will also be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" round LED markers with chrome bezels.B B I am , however, keeping the original bonnet in tact. Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. Rich _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / nobbc [ demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/ jpeg which had a name of lemans2004_01fred. jpg ] _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / nobbc From mikestagnaro at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 09:00:36 2010 From: mikestagnaro at comcast.net (mikestagnaro at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <439909439.1774331269098559121.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <282597220.420021269100836825.JavaMail.root@sz0083a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Rich, Yes I am but not the Piner Tony. I have a cousin in Tahoe named Tony. Check out this site - www.vintageracingservices.com/about/british-car-magazine/ - it may be what you have in mind. Best Regards Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rlmossholder at comcast.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines Hi Mike, Will do. I know how to make the curved lexan covers, but I'm not a body man. That's what I need to figure out. By the way, are you related to a Tony Stagnaro ? He was a friend of mineB Piner High School. Cheers, Rich Mossholder '71 Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: mikestagnaro @comcast.net To: "North Bay British Car Club" < nobbc @ autox .team.net> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:06:22 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [ Nobbc ] TRs and big engines Rich, Your idea of doing streamlined head lamps ala Le Mans is something I have always concidered for my MGA . B For my taste, I've always thought the design of the A was pretty darn perfect, with the exception being the boxy design of the front fender leading edge/headlamp. B If you ever figure out how to do the perspex design please let me know, I'd love to see a solution. Mike 57 MGA ----- Original Message ----- From: rlmossholder @comcast.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:07:32 +0000 ( UTC ) Subject: Re: [ Nobbc ] TRs and big engines Hi Greg, B B That Busa V8 was what I'd do to the spitfire if I win the lotto. Did you watch the video of the dyno test? The sound of that engine is astonishing!B B B Well, I found the main problemB with the Spitfire that kept me from participating in any of the rides. The stupid previous owner installed a bolt from under the car in the transmission. This bolt served as the fulcrum for the clutch throw-out yolk. Since it was installed from underneath with a standard nut, over time, the nut worked loose and the bolt fell out. I couldn't see the bolt location because the exhaust pipe blocked the view. I found this after removing the engine, of course. Since I had the engine out I decided to rebuild it all. All the engine bearings were shot as well as the pistons and cam. The head had an unusual burn pattern. cylinders 1&4 were running rich, 2&3 were lean. I thought this was strange since I only have one carb . Maybe it's a function of the intake manifold? I purchased a J-typeB overdrive transmission for $400, not a bad deal. I will tear that down next time I go up to my Dad's shop. The engine block and head have been taken to the machine shop. We are going to useB .030 overB European spec flat topB pistons. That will bump up the compression ratio from 7.1 to 9.1 and add a little HP to the mix as well.B B The main goal is to build a reliable engine with a little more power. We are balancing everything and adding roller rockers too. B B John Kenner has given me aB bonnet which I am modifying. I always thought it would look good with a hood scoop, so I've cutB itB out andB will be weldingB that soon. I also want to move the headlights back farther in the fenders with the perspex lens covers like the Le Mans Spitfires of the '60s.B Not sure how to do that yet. I want to fill in the seams and smooth things out a bit too. The fender seam has always looked odd to me. It just dies into the door with no continuity to the rest of the body. B I will also be removing the bulky side marker/reflectors, and replacing them with 3/4" round LED markers with chrome bezels.B B I am , however, keeping the original bonnet in tact. Have a great ride this weekend. Hope to see you all soon. Rich _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / nobbc [ demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/ jpeg which had a name of lemans2004_01fred. jpg ] _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From riprock99 at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 10:18:25 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:18:25 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <722448097.1712891269058500249.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <722448097.1712891269058500249.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B2EAE6220D44EE3A8C250033163EAD6@ScottPC> Hi Rich, The switch I referred to is not the activation switch, but an inhibitor for all but 3rd and top gear. It is easy to forget the OD is on and damage is possible. Is your gearbox a single or three rail? The older three rail type with OD have a longer remote shaft that sticks out forward of the casting, and the inhibitor switch mounts on a bracket there so it contacts the remote shaft end which is shaped to only allow for 3rd and top. On the 4.11 diff subject, I broke three inner drive shafts using mine with the 1500 doing things I considered normal driving, like making a tight turn on a graded driveway etc. If you do opt for a 3.89, the u-joint flanges on the rear axles need to be changed for the larger ones, and the spring mounting may have only four studs for the later swing spring, otherwise it's a bolt on swap. Scott -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:15 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the advice. I had good compression on all cylinders, although a > little on the low side (120,122,121,122). I have the Weber DGV on the carB > John Kenner hasB a rebuiltB 4.11:1 dif that I'm going to buy. I have the > shift > lever with the switch as well. The drive shaft is being cut and balanced > by > the machine shop that I have the engine at. I'll have toB get a new speedo > cable. I won't be able to attend the ride tomorrow, other plans. I'd like > to > meet you and talk spitfires sometime. > > Cheers, > > Rich M > > '71 Spitfire > > > > > > > B > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2759 - Release Date: 03/20/10 > 00:33:00 From crowe99 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:23:43 2010 From: crowe99 at yahoo.com (Bill Crowe) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <002601cac719$dd8f5b30$98ae1190$@com> Message-ID: <870615.17672.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Enjoyed the bit of the drive I completed, my car started running poorly intermittently and I'm fairly sure the cause was bad/watery gas...a fillup in Petaluma improved matters and am going to try some Seafoam too...anyway, made it home safely and thanks much for putting the drive together. Bill Crowe (Birkin/ Lotus 7) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, John Kenner wrote: From: John Kenner Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 9:08 PM OK, HERE IS THE PLAN FOR SATURDAY ONCE AGAIN IN MORE DETAIL: WE WILL MEET AT THE SONOMA VALLEY BAGEL COMPANY, 350 ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY WEST AT 9:30 AM. THIS IS JUST WEST OF HIGHWAY 101 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET IN A LITTLE MALL JUST PAST A BIG GAS STATION. WE WILL DEPART THERE AT 10AM TURNING RIGHT AND HEADING WEST ON ROHNERT PARK EXPRESSWAY. AT STONY POINT ROAD WE WILL TURN LEFT HEADING SOUTH. WE WILL GO A FEW MILES TO MECHAM ROAD AND TURN RIGHT. WE WILL FOLLOW MECHAM ROAD FOR SEVERAL MILES AND TURN RIGHT HEADING WEST ONTO BODEGA ROAD. AFTER A FEW MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO CHILANO VALLEY ROAD AND HEAD SOUTH FOR MAYBE 15 MILES UNTIL WE MEET WILSON HILL ROAD WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT. AFTER ABOUT 5 MILES WE WILL TURN LEFT ONTO HICKS VALLEY ROAD FOR A FEW MILES UNTIL IT ENDS AT PETALUMA PT. REYES ROAD. THERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT AND GO TO THE CHEESE FACTORY TO MEET UP WITH THE MARIN PEOPLE. WE SHOULD ARRIVE AT THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11AM. WE WILL DEPART THE CHEESE FACTORY AT ABOUT 11:15 OR 11:20 AND HEAD WEST ON THE PETALUMA POINT REYES ROAD UNTIL WE MEET HIGHWAY 1 WHERE WE WILL TURN RIGHT, HEADING NORTH AND GO ON TO MARSHALL. ABOUT 15 MORE MILES. AT THE MARSHALL STORE THEY SERVE OYSTERS AND HAVE A DELI AND AN OUTSIDE SITTING AREA. I AM TOLD THERE IS PARKING AT THE POST OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS CLOSED ON SATURDAYS. AFTER LUNCH I PLAN ON HEADING NORTH A LITTLE WAYS TO THE MARSHAL ROAD AND HEAD EAST BACK TO WILSON HILL ROAD AND DO THE ROUTE IN REVERSE TO GET HOME. IF I HAVE MADE ANY MISTAKES LET ME KNOW SOON AND I'LL WRITE IT UP AGAIN. THIS SATURDAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF SPRING AND THIS RUN WILL BE A GREAT WAY TO BREAK IN THE NEW SEASON. SEE YOU AT 9:30! JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 14:02:29 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:02:29 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Message-ID: Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. Great to see you all today, folks. Cheers, Greg and Trish Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From mowog at sonic.net Sat Mar 20 14:35:17 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:35:17 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Oyster Run Message-ID: It's just not an MG weekend without something falling off of the car. Managed to slooooowly drive into Point Reyes Station and picked up needed bolts, etc to re-hang the muffler, then on to some tasty fish tacos at the store. Nice to see so many outstanding drivers and cars today. John, many thanks for organizing such a great way to welcome in Spring. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From rlmossholder at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 14:54:23 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <282597220.420021269100836825.JavaMail.root@sz0083a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1239891642.1873961269122063460.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Great article Mike, thanks! B I have seen one of the recreation cars based on the LeMans Spitfires many years ago as well as the Group 44 GT-6 at Mid Ohio Raceway. That's where I got the idea from. I used to have a couple of GT-6s that I wanted to transform but I didn't quite get there. I guess whatB I want is sort of a cross between that and a Ferrari California Spyder (inspiration for the hood scoop). I have always loved the lines of both cars and since there's no way for me to obtain a '60 California Spyder or a LeMans Spitfire (unless I win the lotto). I thought I'd come up with something that vaguely resembles both. I made a mock up of the hood scoopB and it really added to the lines of the car. There's one other thing I'm looking at changing as well, the plastic bonnet hinge covers. They don't lookB bad, butB I think there's room for improvement . I know a lot of purists out there will think I'm nuts, but there's nothing original on my car any way, even though it looks to be. Cheers, Rich B From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Mar 20 15:14:05 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run Pics Message-ID: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> Thanks John for this great ride today. I posted some pics to our Nobbc group on Facebook or follow this direct link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=53339&id=1069767349&l=23cb40e3e7 Ron 58 MGA From rlmossholder at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 15:27:58 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] Spitfires In-Reply-To: <4B2EAE6220D44EE3A8C250033163EAD6@ScottPC> Message-ID: <188923618.1881191269124078947.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Scott, B B B I haven't opened the gear box yet, butB I believe it to be the three rail type. I don't have it close by for further inspection. It isB 300 miles away in Crescent City at my Dad's shop. I know about the possible damage especially if the OD is on and you try to shift in reverse. My car has the 1500 engine (sourced from a Midget) and 4.11 dif (original to the car), and I have never had any issues with it. I have driven the car hard on some of the drives trying to keep up with Ron's MGAB and a couple of the Lotus Elans withB some success. I have replaced all of the U-joints on the car last year with a higher quality than the originals. No problems there either.B B B B I don't know if you are familiar with PRI, in Oregon, but they make a coilover rear conversion for the Spitfire that is a simple bolt on configurationB that eliminates the transverse leaf spring. Some time this yearB I intend to get it for my car too. John Kenner has it for his Herald and is going to install it fairly soon. I visited him last week and had a goodB look at it. Great craftsmanship in all the parts, and a claimed installation time of under two hours! Here's the link to PRI's website:B B B B www.prirace.com Hey John, when you are ready to install the PRI rear end, let us konw. That might make for another great tech session. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. SUSPENSION SET UP! Cheers, Rich From csaul at noleak.com Sat Mar 20 16:10:15 2010 From: csaul at noleak.com (Charlie Saul) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run In-Reply-To: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> References: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> Message-ID: <661FDE1E7F6F514FA46326B269A37AEE30734B@AQUA-DC1> Thanks John for suggesting the nice destination and Ron for the photos. Lori and I had a nice drive. Even though the coast is so close, it felt like we were on vacation. Enjoyed meeting so many of you. See you soon, Charlie & Lori Saul 52 XK120 -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 3:14 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run Pics Thanks John for this great ride today. I posted some pics to our Nobbc group on Facebook or follow this direct link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=53339&id=1069767349&l=23cb40e3e7 Ron 58 MGA _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 16:12:55 2010 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Oyster Run In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <631149.27294.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Rod, not only having to deal with your muffler bolts, Bill Crowe with bad gas, after lunch my vacuum line came apart but was easily fixed. All and all, todays ride was another great event for food and friends. Sarto --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Rod Williams wrote: From: Rod Williams Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Oyster Run To: Nobbc at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 2:35 PM It's just not an MG weekend without something falling off of the car. Managed to slooooowly drive into Point Reyes Station and picked up needed bolts, etc to re-hang the muffler, then on to some tasty fish tacos at the store. Nice to see so many outstanding drivers and cars today. John, many thanks for organizing such a great way to welcome in Spring. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 16:28:19 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run Pics In-Reply-To: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> Message-ID: <501425948.1894571269127699892.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Great pics Ron! Wish I could have been there. Cheers, Rich From home at drummondlaw.com Sat Mar 20 16:52:05 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <20100320220208.8CAB6187668@autox.team.net> References: <20100320220208.8CAB6187668@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1A834B95AC1942BF8BD69F5FC661D95C@dandebbie> Ditto. Thanks John for leading a great ride. Greg and Trish, Did you get a response from Fish & Game re the badger? Dan 66MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:02 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. Great to see you all today, folks. Cheers, Greg and Trish Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 17:04:40 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Message-ID: Hi Dan, Not yet - we sent an email but they aren't in the office on weekends. Good seeing you today. Cheers, Greg ------Original Message------ From: Dan Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: 'North Bay British Car Club' ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Sent: Mar 20, 2010 4:52 PM Ditto. Thanks John for leading a great ride. Greg and Trish, Did you get a response from Fish & Game re the badger? Dan 66MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:02 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. Great to see you all today, folks. Cheers, Greg and Trish Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Mar 20 17:40:44 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net> References: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net> Now you've got me curious...what's the Badger story??? 58 MGA gtwincams at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dan, > Not yet - we sent an email but they aren't in the office on weekends. > Good seeing you today. > Cheers, > Greg > ------Original Message------ > From: Dan > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > Sent: Mar 20, 2010 4:52 PM > > Ditto. Thanks John for leading a great ride. > > Greg and Trish, Did you get a response from Fish & Game re the badger? > > Dan > 66MGB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:02 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > > Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a > great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the > excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. > Great to see you all today, folks. > Cheers, > Greg and Trish > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 18:04:31 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:04:31 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net> References: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net><4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net> Message-ID: I cannot tell you Ron. If I tell you I will have to keel you... Nah, several of us saw a dead badger on the road, in an area where their numbers have declined. Unusual for badgers to become roadkills, too. As our line of work is wildlife, we found it interesting and emailed our observation to CDFG. Cheers, Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Ron Engelhardt Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:40:44 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Now you've got me curious...what's the Badger story??? 58 MGA gtwincams at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dan, > Not yet - we sent an email but they aren't in the office on weekends. > Good seeing you today. > Cheers, > Greg > ------Original Message------ > From: Dan > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: 'North Bay British Car Club' > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > Sent: Mar 20, 2010 4:52 PM > > Ditto. Thanks John for leading a great ride. > > Greg and Trish, Did you get a response from Fish & Game re the badger? > > Dan > 66MGB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:02 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > > Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a > great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the > excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. > Great to see you all today, folks. > Cheers, > Greg and Trish > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mikestagnaro at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 22:48:10 2010 From: mikestagnaro at comcast.net (mikestagnaro at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <1239891642.1873961269122063460.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1313609316.586261269150490748.JavaMail.root@sz0083a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Rich, Glad you liked it. As an aside to spitfires and my cousin tony; his grandfather, my uncle Bud, was an airforce mechanic in World War II stationed in England who, you guessed it, worked on spitfires, the merlin driven ones. He was a crew chief who took pride in the fact that in three years of war they never had a plane not return home due to mechanical failure. How I wish I could say that about my A. In regards to these mods we're talking about, I hope I'm not offending those who would prefer to see the mark left unblemished. For me it is a matter of esthetic taste and since like you I can't afford a Ferrari 250 GT or an Astin Martin DBR1, they do set an ideal in design that is very tempting to repeat. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion. The trick is to make it look right. Good luck Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: rlmossholder at comcast.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines Great article Mike, thanks! B I have seen one of the recreation cars based on the LeMans Spitfires many years ago as well as the Group 44 GT-6 at Mid Ohio Raceway. That's where I got the idea from. I used to have a couple of GT-6s that I wanted to transform but I didn't quite get there. I guess whatB I want is sort of a cross between that and a Ferrari California Spyder (inspiration for the hood scoop). I have always loved the lines of both cars and since there's no way for me to obtain a '60 California Spyder or a LeMans Spitfire (unless I win the lotto). I thought I'd come up with something that vaguely resembles both. I made a mock up of the hood scoopB and it really added to the lines of the car. There's one other thing I'm looking at changing as well, the plastic bonnet hinge covers. They don't lookB bad, butB I think there's room for improvement . I know a lot of purists out there will think I'm nuts, but there's nothing original on my car any way, even though it looks to be. Cheers, Rich B _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Sun Mar 21 08:10:15 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] TRs and big engines In-Reply-To: <1313609316.586261269150490748.JavaMail.root@sz0083a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1417224324.2004471269184215380.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, I was an AF mechanic as well, but I was in the first Gulf War. The first time I noticed a Spitfire, I was stationed in EnglandB at RAF Mildenhall . One of the officers hadB a white Spitfire and I instantly fell in love with the car. When I returnedB stateside I purchased one for $800. So I have thatB Captain to blame for all these years of owning British cars. Fortunately for us all, they are still relatively inexpensive to drive and maintain. Cheers, RichB From riprock99 at comcast.net Sun Mar 21 20:51:44 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:51:44 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <20100321020750.3BB2518765D@autox.team.net> References: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net><4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net> <20100321020750.3BB2518765D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <038724164A0040D49FFAF3E61B4BEB9D@ScottPC> I saw a dead raccoon and I think badgers are a big deal in CA. It was in the news last week of a sighting in the Sierras. Was it just a mile or so south of the cheese factory? Scot -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:04 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > I cannot tell you Ron. If I tell you I will have to keel you... > > Nah, several of us saw a dead badger on the road, in an area where their > numbers have declined. Unusual for badgers to become roadkills, too. As > our line of work is wildlife, we found it interesting and emailed our > observation to CDFG. > Cheers, > Greg > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Engelhardt > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:40:44 > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN > > Now you've got me curious...what's the Badger story??? > > 58 MGA > > gtwincams at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi Dan, >> Not yet - we sent an email but they aren't in the office on weekends. >> Good seeing you today. >> Cheers, >> Greg >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Dan >> Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net >> To: 'North Bay British Car Club' >> ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN >> Sent: Mar 20, 2010 4:52 PM >> >> Ditto. Thanks John for leading a great ride. >> >> Greg and Trish, Did you get a response from Fish & Game re the badger? >> >> Dan >> 66MGB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On >> Behalf Of gtwincams at gmail.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:02 PM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN >> >> Thanks very much for leading such a nice drive, John, and for picking a >> great destination! Sorry you couldn't use the Lotus, but hopefully the >> excellent oysters and chowder made up for that. >> Great to see you all today, folks. >> Cheers, >> Greg and Trish >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > 12:33:00 From gtwincams at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 21:16:39 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:16:39 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <038724164A0040D49FFAF3E61B4BEB9D@ScottPC> References: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net><4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net> <20100321020750.3BB2518765D@autox.team.net> <038724164A0040D49FFAF3E61B4BEB9D@ScottPC> Message-ID: <4BA6EF27.3070700@gmail.com> Hi Scott, No, it was north of the Cheese factory on Bodega Ave. Badgers were common in the area - I used to get a few calls a year from ranchers about them. Dan Drummond (red MGB), who lives not far from where we (and he) sighted the roadkill, has seen a badger moving through his yard. They aren't extremely rare, but their numbers are declining, which is why they are classified as a California Special Concern species. Twenty years ago they were doing pretty well in the Sierras, and wolverines were more common, but they've all been getting more rare. Greg Scott Irwin wrote: > I saw a dead raccoon and I think badgers are a big deal in CA. It was > in the news last week of a sighting in the Sierras. Was it just a > mile or so south of the cheese factory? > > Scot From wbain at sonic.net Mon Mar 22 14:13:08 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:13:08 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run Pics In-Reply-To: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> References: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2DA6E96E-3C42-4F52-9AEF-4A2B133E5B47@sonic.net> Ron, Nice shots. Thanks for posting. Wendell 59 Morgan On Mar 20, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Thanks John for this great ride today. I posted some pics to our > Nobbc group on Facebook or follow this direct link: > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=53339&id=1069767349&l=23cb40e3e7 > > Ron > 58 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From home at drummondlaw.com Mon Mar 22 19:23:25 2010 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN In-Reply-To: <4BA6EF27.3070700@gmail.com> References: <20100321010738.79FA218765D@autox.team.net><4BA56B0C.6070609@sonic.net><20100321020750.3BB2518765D@autox.team.net><038724164A0040D49FFAF3E61B4BEB9D@ScottPC> <4BA6EF27.3070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, No sooner than we talked about badgers, I found several badger holes around the yard yesterday while mowing. Dan 66MGB -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:17 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] SATURDAY OYSTER RUN Hi Scott, No, it was north of the Cheese factory on Bodega Ave. Badgers were common in the area - I used to get a few calls a year from ranchers about them. Dan Drummond (red MGB), who lives not far from where we (and he) sighted the roadkill, has seen a badger moving through his yard. They aren't extremely rare, but their numbers are declining, which is why they are classified as a California Special Concern species. Twenty years ago they were doing pretty well in the Sierras, and wolverines were more common, but they've all been getting more rare. Greg Scott Irwin wrote: > I saw a dead raccoon and I think badgers are a big deal in CA. It was > in the news last week of a sighting in the Sierras. Was it just a > mile or so south of the cheese factory? > > Scot _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From ctwehn at hughes.net Mon Mar 22 22:06:09 2010 From: ctwehn at hughes.net (Charlie Wehn) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:06:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Nobbc] Oyster Run Pics References: <4BA548AD.90005@sonic.net> <2146155916.527260.1269319346686.JavaMail.mail@webmail05> Message-ID: <979205280.527471.1269320770211.JavaMail.mail@webmail05> From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Tue Mar 23 21:05:02 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <590303.39862.qm@web180013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? The closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week backlog. The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I suspect the threaded coupling is Whitworth. Thanks, Greg --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Hi Greg, I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment screw. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Hello NOBBC members, > > I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil > pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short > drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure gauge > quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold > start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct and > the coolant is free of oil contamination. > > Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to > what might be going on? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Greg > '59 AC Aceca > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From desmo93 at att.net Tue Mar 23 21:52:21 2010 From: desmo93 at att.net (marcus) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:52:21 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure References: <590303.39862.qm@web180013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65F1EF45FD5948878C4B6842866F0FEA@marcuse8622318> Try West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys, ask for Morris. http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=13100&sid=d5f69b94c10605a3217a1e8ebd3e5086 They will rebuild/repair your gauges and turn around is very fast. I believe to fix a Smiths oil pressure gauge is around $35.00. If you want your gauge fully restored, there is a gentleman in the UK doing excellent work and is quite reasonable. Also quick turn around. https://sslrelay.com/thegaugeshop.com/ Marcus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is > functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? > The > closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week > backlog. > The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I > suspect > the threaded coupling is Whitworth. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > > > From: Mike Gianandrea > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM > > > Hi Greg, > > I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my > gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing > to > regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil > for > particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that > adjustment > screw. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Hello NOBBC members, >> >> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil >> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my >> short >> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure > gauge >> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold >> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct > and >> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >> >> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as >> to >> what might be going on? >> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Greg >> '59 AC Aceca >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 00:21:50 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <65F1EF45FD5948878C4B6842866F0FEA@marcuse8622318> Message-ID: <397055638.3194591269415310441.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Greg, B B B I questioned my Spitfire's electric oil pressure gauge, and purchased a cheap ($15) mechanical gauge from Auto Zone. I compared the two readings, and found the electrical gauge was correct. So I mounted the mechanical gauge under the hood and left the electrical gauge in the dash. It's definitely an inexpensive way to see what's up with your gauge, and you don't have to send it out unless it's bad. It's alsoB nice to have one under the hood for troubleshooting. Cheers, Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is > functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? > The > closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week > backlog. > The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. B I > suspect > the threaded coupling is Whitworth. > > Thanks, > > Greg From mvg1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 07:42:56 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:42:56 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure References: <590303.39862.qm@web180013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D572D53F15D401C979F6DC0AEF1314B@mike> Hi Greg, If you pull the gauge out, you can test the pressure with regulated air pressure. Get a small compressor set to the required pressure limit and pressurize the gauge, just be careful. I would then back check the line and filter, and then look for a pressure regulator screw, probably on the filter housing, such as I found on my Triumph. If you need the gauge repaired, you can call Moss Motors. They have an old guy in Southern Calif that they reccommend, unfortunately his name escapes me right now. I sent him my oil pressure gauge, he quoted me 1 week turn around time, BUT for $25 he turned it around in one day, cost $96. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is > functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? > The > closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week > backlog. > The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I > suspect > the threaded coupling is Whitworth. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > > > From: Mike Gianandrea > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM > > > Hi Greg, > > I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my > gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing > to > regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil > for > particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that > adjustment > screw. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Hello NOBBC members, >> >> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil >> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my >> short >> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure > gauge >> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold >> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct > and >> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >> >> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as >> to >> what might be going on? >> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Greg >> '59 AC Aceca >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From davedalton22 at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 12:12:38 2010 From: davedalton22 at gmail.com (Dave Dalton) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? Message-ID: I'm just finishing up some major suspension work and need some recommendations for an alignment shop that can do a 4 wheel alignment on my classic Mini. Thanks, Dave From nobbc at sonic.net Wed Mar 24 13:08:06 2010 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BAA7126.6020505@sonic.net> I had Monroe Tire do my car, did a great job! Ron 58 MGA Dave Dalton wrote: > I'm just finishing up some major suspension work and need some recommendations > for an alignment shop that can do a 4 wheel alignment on my classic Mini. > > Thanks, > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Wed Mar 24 15:10:36 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <3D572D53F15D401C979F6DC0AEF1314B@mike> Message-ID: <910195.65566.qm@web180007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks guys. Greg --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: From: Mike Gianandrea Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 7:42 AM Hi Greg, If you pull the gauge out, you can test the pressure with regulated air pressure. Get a small compressor set to the required pressure limit and pressurize the gauge, just be careful. I would then back check the line and filter, and then look for a pressure regulator screw, probably on the filter housing, such as I found on my Triumph. If you need the gauge repaired, you can call Moss Motors. They have an old guy in Southern Calif that they reccommend, unfortunately his name escapes me right now. I sent him my oil pressure gauge, he quoted me 1 week turn around time, BUT for $25 he turned it around in one day, cost $96. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is > functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? The > closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week backlog. > The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I suspect > the threaded coupling is Whitworth. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: > > > From: Mike Gianandrea > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM > > > Hi Greg, > > I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my > gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing to > regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil for > particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that adjustment > screw. > > Michael > 64 TR4 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Hello NOBBC members, >> >> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil >> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my short >> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure > gauge >> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold >> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct > and >> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >> >> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as to >> what might be going on? >> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Greg >> '59 AC Aceca >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 24 15:38:40 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7780EA98DA6B4909A6B37C7B1196540A@MARLA> Dave, I like Valley Tire and Brake on Piner. They aren't cheap but all my cars track like an arrow, maybe that's a poor analogy because arrows fly in an arc and all my cars go straight. Oh well, they're good. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Dalton Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:13 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? I'm just finishing up some major suspension work and need some recommendations for an alignment shop that can do a 4 wheel alignment on my classic Mini. Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From riprock99 at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 15:38:08 2010 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:38:08 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <65F1EF45FD5948878C4B6842866F0FEA@marcuse8622318> References: <590303.39862.qm@web180013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <65F1EF45FD5948878C4B6842866F0FEA@marcuse8622318> Message-ID: <5CBD395F8E7E4DF8925DFDE2B00BFACD@ScottPC> I used Palo Alto Speedometer for my cable tach. Looked like new out of the box. Scott -------------------------------------------------- From: "marcus" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:52 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Try West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys, ask for Morris. > > http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=13100&sid=d5f69b94c10605a3217a1e8ebd3e5086 > > They will rebuild/repair your gauges and turn around is very fast. I > believe to fix a Smiths oil pressure gauge is around $35.00. If you want > your gauge fully restored, there is a gentleman in the UK doing excellent > work and is quite reasonable. Also quick turn around. > > https://sslrelay.com/thegaugeshop.com/ > > Marcus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is >> functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? >> The >> closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week >> backlog. >> The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I >> suspect >> the threaded coupling is Whitworth. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> >> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: >> >> >> From: Mike Gianandrea >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my >> gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing >> to >> regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the >> oil >> for >> particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that >> adjustment >> screw. >> >> Michael >> 64 TR4 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM >> Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >> >> >>> Hello NOBBC members, >>> >>> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my >>> oil >>> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my >>> short >>> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure >> gauge >>> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a >>> cold >>> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is >>> correct >> and >>> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >>> >>> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as >>> to >>> what might be going on? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your input. >>> >>> Greg >>> '59 AC Aceca >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2766 - Release Date: 03/23/10 > 12:33:00 From davidwi at sonic.net Wed Mar 24 20:01:08 2010 From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:01:08 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? In-Reply-To: <7780EA98DA6B4909A6B37C7B1196540A@MARLA> References: <7780EA98DA6B4909A6B37C7B1196540A@MARLA> Message-ID: <006f01cacbc7$6af545f0$40dfd1d0$@sonic.net> I used Benedetti in Sebastopol for my Jensen Healey, Acura, Ford Ranger, and 4wd Explorer. On the JH, he did a 4 wheel alignment and even did some light reaming of a couple of bolt holes to get all settings correct. I was happy with them. I used Valley T&B in the past for other cars and liked them, too. David Willson Sebastopol, CA Jensen Healey #19377 - daily driver #15244 - parts #1 #17418 - parts #2 - saving to turn in to a plug-in electric #12130 - nothing left but parts #????? - finally sent to crusher From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Wed Mar 24 20:28:13 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Message-ID: <157096.4283.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Thanks for the positive referral on Palo Alto Speedometer. It is consistent with another person who uses them. I plan on sending them my speedometer for refurbishment. I picked up an inexpensive mechanical gauge from Auto Zone today for $15 (thanks Rich!) and am going to see if I can figure out how to tie it into the engine. If the oil pressure gauge is bad as well PAS will be seeing both of them. Thanks again for everyone's suggestions. Greg --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Scott Irwin wrote: From: Scott Irwin Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 3:38 PM I used Palo Alto Speedometer for my cable tach. Looked like new out of the box. Scott -------------------------------------------------- From: "marcus" Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:52 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > Try West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys, ask for Morris. > > http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=13100&sid=d5f69b94c10605 a3217a1e8ebd3e5086 > > They will rebuild/repair your gauges and turn around is very fast. I > believe to fix a Smiths oil pressure gauge is around $35.00. If you want > your gauge fully restored, there is a gentleman in the UK doing excellent > work and is quite reasonable. Also quick turn around. > > https://sslrelay.com/thegaugeshop.com/ > > Marcus > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > >> Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is >> functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair facility? >> The >> closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week >> backlog. >> The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I >> suspect >> the threaded coupling is Whitworth. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> >> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: >> >> >> From: Mike Gianandrea >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew through my >> gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter housing >> to >> regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, check the oil >> for >> particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that >> adjustment >> screw. >> >> Michael >> 64 TR4 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM >> Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >> >> >>> Hello NOBBC members, >>> >>> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed that my oil >>> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I cut my >>> short >>> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil pressure >> gauge >>> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI at a cold >>> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level is correct >> and >>> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >>> >>> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any suggestions as >>> to >>> what might be going on? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your input. >>> >>> Greg >>> '59 AC Aceca >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2766 - Release Date: 03/23/10 12:33:00 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rlmossholder at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 21:35:29 2010 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <157096.4283.qm@web180006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1120610836.3643081269491729721.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greg, I used a brass "T" fitting in the blockB to connect both gauges. It should be a simple brass NPT fitting. They are readily available at any hardware store. IB found it at ACE. I also used teflon pipe tape on the threads to prevent any leaks. Cheers, Rich B From mewgull at sonic.net Thu Mar 25 00:07:05 2010 From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:07:05 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Rallye this weekend in Santa Rosa. Message-ID: Hey everybody, a fun event especially in a REAL sports car: Just a reminder that the Empire Sports Car Association (ESCA) April Fools Rallye is this Sunday, March 28th with registration from 10:30 AM to 12:30 AM at the Charles Schulz Museum Parking Lot. This is the 46th annual running of this event. Check it out. For more information go to: http://www.sonic.net/~thebeard/pages/new_flyer.html G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** I believe I found the missing link between animal and civilized man. It is us. -- Konrad Lorenz From jkenner at tamcab.com Thu Mar 25 06:29:06 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? In-Reply-To: <006f01cacbc7$6af545f0$40dfd1d0$@sonic.net> References: <7780EA98DA6B4909A6B37C7B1196540A@MARLA> <006f01cacbc7$6af545f0$40dfd1d0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000501cacc1f$26b6ff20$7424fd60$@com> I love Benedetti in Sebastopol. Not only do they do great work but they are all nice guys. And if they should screw up, they admit it and fix it. ( They mounted some directional tires backwards on my rims once ) JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Willson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:01 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? I used Benedetti in Sebastopol for my Jensen Healey, Acura, Ford Ranger, and 4wd Explorer. On the JH, he did a 4 wheel alignment and even did some light reaming of a couple of bolt holes to get all settings correct. I was happy with them. I used Valley T&B in the past for other cars and liked them, too. David Willson Sebastopol, CA Jensen Healey #19377 - daily driver #15244 - parts #1 #17418 - parts #2 - saving to turn in to a plug-in electric #12130 - nothing left but parts #????? - finally sent to crusher _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gsb1159 at pacbell.net Thu Mar 25 07:07:37 2010 From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <1120610836.3643081269491729721.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <338932.44535.qm@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Rich. That helps a lot. Best, Greg --- On Wed, 3/24/10, rlmossholder at comcast.net wrote: From: rlmossholder at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 9:35 PM Greg, I used a brass "T" fitting in the blockB to connect both gauges. It should be a simple brass NPT fitting. They are readily available at any hardware store. IB found it at ACE. I also used teflon pipe tape on the threads to prevent any leaks. Cheers, Rich B _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tsthresh at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 10:17:38 2010 From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:17:38 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? In-Reply-To: <4BAA7126.6020505@sonic.net> References: <4BAA7126.6020505@sonic.net> Message-ID: Monroe always do good work for me! Tim 1958 MGA -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Engelhardt" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:08 PM To: "North Bay British Car Club" Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Alignment shop recommendations for classic Mini? > I had Monroe Tire do my car, did a great job! > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Dave Dalton wrote: >> I'm just finishing up some major suspension work and need some >> recommendations >> for an alignment shop that can do a 4 wheel alignment on my classic Mini. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Thu Mar 25 10:25:01 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <5CBD395F8E7E4DF8925DFDE2B00BFACD@ScottPC> References: <590303.39862.qm@web180013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <65F1EF45FD5948878C4B6842866F0FEA@marcuse8622318> <5CBD395F8E7E4DF8925DFDE2B00BFACD@ScottPC> Message-ID: <873346BC-D02B-4B5D-AB9D-F4A5BFD4E9B5@sonic.net> I used Palo Alto Speedometer to correct my Speedo's wavering needle. They had it three times, charged me $180. and never got it right. Then by some fluke, after six months the thing started working like it should. I wonder how they stay in business? I doubt I will use them again. I have heard others with similar stories from this company. Wendell On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Scott Irwin wrote: > I used Palo Alto Speedometer for my cable tach. Looked like new > out of the box. > > Scott > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "marcus" > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:52 PM > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > >> Try West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys, ask for Morris. >> >> http://www.6-pack.org/sixpack/phpbb2/viewtopic.php? >> t=13100&sid=d5f69b94c10605a3217a1e8ebd3e5086 >> >> They will rebuild/repair your gauges and turn around is very fast. I >> believe to fix a Smiths oil pressure gauge is around $35.00. If >> you want >> your gauge fully restored, there is a gentleman in the UK doing >> excellent >> work and is quite reasonable. Also quick turn around. >> >> https://sslrelay.com/thegaugeshop.com/ >> >> Marcus >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" >> >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >> >> >>> Is there a way to check to see if a mechanical oil pressure gauge is >>> functioning properly short of sending to an instrument repair >>> facility? >>> The >>> closest one I can find is in Palo Alto and they've got a 5 - 6 week >>> backlog. >>> The gauge was manufactured by Smiths and is about 2" in diameter. I >>> suspect >>> the threaded coupling is Whitworth. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Mike Gianandrea wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Mike Gianandrea >>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 7:02 AM >>> >>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> I had the same problem on my TR to the point that the oil blew >>> through my >>> gauge in the dash. There is an adjustment screw on my oil filter >>> housing >>> to >>> regulate the oil pressure. I would change my oil and filter, >>> check the oil >>> for >>> particlate matter, re-check the pressure, and then look for that >>> adjustment >>> screw. >>> >>> Michael >>> 64 TR4 >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Badano" >>> >>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:11 AM >>> Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure >>> >>> >>>> Hello NOBBC members, >>>> >>>> I was out for a short drive a couple of weeks ago and noticed >>>> that my oil >>>> pressure was registering abnormally high (40 PSI at idle) so I >>>> cut my >>>> short >>>> drive even shorter. Yesterday I started the car up and the oil >>>> pressure >>> gauge >>>> quickly pegged at 100+ PSI (normally it registers around 80 PSI >>>> at a cold >>>> start) so I shut it down. For what it is worth, the oil level >>>> is correct >>> and >>>> the coolant is free of oil contamination. >>>> >>>> Can any of the more mechanically minded members offer any >>>> suggestions as >>>> to >>>> what might be going on? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for your input. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> '59 AC Aceca >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nobbc mailing list >>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2766 - Release Date: >> 03/23/10 12:33:00 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 11:18:41 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <338932.44535.qm@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1120610836.3643081269491729721.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <338932.44535.qm@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <685A1961903B4522AA20BF55C4E44580@MARLA> Greg, if you haven't sent your gauge yet to Palo Alto, you might consider Nisonger in NY. I've heard good and bad stories about both places. I had both my speedos for the MGA and MGB repaired and recalibrated by Nisonger. They take between 6 to 8 weeks to return the gauge, so they aren't quick but they work well. I had a problem with the trip meter on the one speedo gauge and returned it and it was corrected at no extra cost. They charge around $170. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Badano Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:08 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure Thanks Rich. That helps a lot. Best, Greg --- On Wed, 3/24/10, rlmossholder at comcast.net wrote: From: rlmossholder at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure To: "North Bay British Car Club" Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 9:35 PM Greg, I used a brass "T" fitting in the blockB to connect both gauges. It should be a simple brass NPT fitting. They are readily available at any hardware store. IB found it at ACE. I also used teflon pipe tape on the threads to prevent any leaks. Cheers, Rich B _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman.weinfeld at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 11:39:04 2010 From: norman.weinfeld at gmail.com (Norman S. Weinfeld) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:39:04 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure In-Reply-To: <685A1961903B4522AA20BF55C4E44580@MARLA> References: <1120610836.3643081269491729721.JavaMail.root@sz0108a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <338932.44535.qm@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <685A1961903B4522AA20BF55C4E44580@MARLA> Message-ID: <320ff8001003251139h7772bc5dgb51cdb76822c9394@mail.gmail.com> I'll second the plug for Nissonger. And for extra money, they will speed things up for you. I, too, have heard mixed reports on Palo Alto Speedo. Norm Weinfeld '55 XK140 DHC '56 Imperial Southampton Coupe '94 Chevy Camaro Z-28 On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, andy preston wrote: > Greg, if you haven't sent your gauge yet to Palo Alto, you might consider > Nisonger in NY. I've heard good and bad stories about both places. I had > both my speedos for the MGA and MGB repaired and recalibrated by Nisonger. > They take between 6 to 8 weeks to return the gauge, so they aren't quick > but > they work well. I had a problem with the trip meter on the one speedo > gauge > and returned it and it was corrected at no extra cost. They charge around > $170. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Greg Badano > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:08 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > > Thanks Rich. That helps a lot. > > Best, > > Greg > > --- On Wed, 3/24/10, rlmossholder at comcast.net > wrote: > > > From: rlmossholder at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Abnormally high oil pressure > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 9:35 PM > > > Greg, > > I used a brass "T" fitting in the blockB to connect both gauges. It should > be > a simple brass NPT fitting. They are readily available at any hardware > store. > IB found it at ACE. I also used teflon pipe tape on the threads to prevent > any > leaks. > > Cheers, > > Rich > > B > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com Thu Mar 25 13:09:52 2010 From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com (sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:09:52 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Gauges Message-ID: The oil pressure in my TR was pegged at 100 PSI, and oil was BLOWING out through the gauge. I sent it to West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys to be rebuilt. I was quoted $70 and a week to ten days for return. I needed it back in a hurry, so for an extra $25 it was rebuilt and retuned over night in working condition, cost $97 plus over night freight down and back. It worked for a while then failed because my pressure was still at 100 PSI. I have Jaeger gauges and couldn't find another, so I opened it up and found that it is literally just a soft lead bladder that opens and closes like a watch spring with the oil pressure. I found a small crack in the bladder, cleaned and soldered it shut and it has worked for almost a year now. It was then that I found out about the pressure regulator and adjustment screw on the filter housing. I adjusted the pressure down to 60 PSI, and baby runs great now. I can't fault West Valley Gauge for the problem, but have high praise for the service. Call Morris. Michael 64 TR4 From doctoddwright at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 13:17:46 2010 From: doctoddwright at sbcglobal.net (Todd Wright) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Gauges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82762.54957.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have had good luck with West Valley also....rebuilt my speedo and have no problems Todd 66 MGB --- On Thu, 3/25/10, sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com wrote: From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com Subject: [Nobbc] Gauges To: nobbc at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 1:09 PM The oil pressure in my TR was pegged at 100 PSI, and oil was BLOWING out through the gauge. I sent it to West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys to be rebuilt. I was quoted $70 and a week to ten days for return. I needed it back in a hurry, so for an extra $25 it was rebuilt and retuned over night in working condition, cost $97 plus over night freight down and back. It worked for a while then failed because my pressure was still at 100 PSI. I have Jaeger gauges and couldn't find another, so I opened it up and found that it is literally just a soft lead bladder that opens and closes like a watch spring with the oil pressure. I found a small crack in the bladder, cleaned and soldered it shut and it has worked for almost a year now. It was then that I found out about the pressure regulator and adjustment screw on the filter housing. I adjusted the pressure down to 60 PSI, and baby runs great now. I can't fault West Valley Gauge for the problem, but have high praise for the service. Call Morris. Michael 64 TR4 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 16:28:04 2010 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey Message-ID: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> Hi Folks, There's a Jensen Healey on Craigslist that looks absolutely gorgeous in the photos. Price is strong, but if the car is as nice as the pics, might be nice... Just passing it on - don't know who's selling it. Cheers, Greg Tatarian http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1661132981.html From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 17:48:20 2010 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:48:20 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey In-Reply-To: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> References: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, I've owned 2 JHs in my life a 73 in England and a 74 1/2 over here. I loved them both. The one over here I used as my only car for over 3 years and commuted to San Rafael from RP every day. The car never let me down. I finally had to sell it at 95,000 miles when we had kids. If I could find it I would love to buy it back. It was blue with a tan interior. BTW the one on Craig's list has the engine compartment and trunk painted matt black, I recollect that it should be body color. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:28 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey Hi Folks, There's a Jensen Healey on Craigslist that looks absolutely gorgeous in the photos. Price is strong, but if the car is as nice as the pics, might be nice... Just passing it on - don't know who's selling it. Cheers, Greg Tatarian http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1661132981.html _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tonykorman at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 19:12:51 2010 From: tonykorman at sbcglobal.net (Tony Korman) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F6D9693-1644-4ECA-A15C-B52D8C22370B@sbcglobal.net> All As much as this pains me I am going to put my beloved TR 6 up for sale. It is a 1976. All original as far as I know and can tell except for upgrades such as a newer convertible top. It also has a matching hard top which I have only stored. Not sure what to do with the damn thing. Have replaced the usual stuff including front brakes, newer clutch, starter, electronic ignition rear springs new buns for the seats and lot of new parts too many to even atempt to list. garaged and loved. If anyone out there is interested let me know. 65000 miles. Documenfs and history. $16,500 Tony Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:48 PM, "andy preston" wrote: > Hi Greg, I've owned 2 JHs in my life a 73 in England and a 74 1/2 > over here. > I loved them both. The one over here I used as my only car for over > 3 years > and commuted to San Rafael from RP every day. The car never let me > down. I > finally had to sell it at 95,000 miles when we had kids. If I could > find it > I would love to buy it back. It was blue with a tan interior. > > BTW the one on Craig's list has the engine compartment and trunk > painted > matt black, I recollect that it should be body color. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:28 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey > > Hi Folks, > There's a Jensen Healey on Craigslist that looks absolutely gorgeous > in > the photos. Price is strong, but if the car is as nice as the pics, > might be nice... > Just passing it on - don't know who's selling it. > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1661132981.html > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mowog at sonic.net Thu Mar 25 19:27:18 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Speedo In-Reply-To: References: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BABDF0-EADF-429C-9C57-7432B83D7889@sonic.net> I've had two MGB speedos calibrated and/or fixed by Palo Alto Speedometer and they did a good job for OK money. My son used to live just a couple of blocks from them and with one of the speedos I was able to walk it in. They told me that the effectiveness of the repair has a lot to do with the condition of the speedo to begin with. They can only do so much for a reasonable price. I saw a couple of gauge clusters that they had completely rebuilt for some exotic vintage Porsches and they said that to really rebuild the whole speedo, like rebuilding a Swiss watch, was crazy expensive. I saw several Smiths rigs in various states of disassembly and they are really a simple design but not really long-term robust. Be glad you're not repairing an 80's BMW speedo. Gaahhh! -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From liamof at earthlink.net Thu Mar 25 22:11:15 2010 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:11:15 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Speedo References: <4BABF184.5090705@gmail.com> <45BABDF0-EADF-429C-9C57-7432B83D7889@sonic.net> Message-ID: <001301cacca2$c3e89b90$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> I have also had pretty good luck with Palo Alto Speedometer. I had a problem with my MGA speedo and they fixed it in a week. Then I had another problem with it and they fixed in a week at no charge. I had them convert my austin healey bugeye tach from cable to electronic at a very reasonable price. All in all I like to shop and support local shops, sure they have their issues but their quick turn around and friendly service and good advice I would highly recommend them. Liam O'Flaherty 57 MGA 59 Austin Healey Sprite 61 Austin Healey Sprite ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Williams" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Speedo > I've had two MGB speedos calibrated and/or fixed by Palo Alto Speedometer > and > they did a good job for OK money. My son used to live just a couple of > blocks > from them and with one of the speedos I was able to walk it in. They told > me > that the effectiveness of the repair has a lot to do with the condition of > the > speedo to begin with. They can only do so much for a reasonable price. I > saw a > couple of gauge clusters that they had completely rebuilt for some exotic > vintage Porsches and they said that to really rebuild the whole speedo, > like > rebuilding a Swiss watch, was crazy expensive. I saw several Smiths rigs > in > various states of disassembly and they are really a simple design but not > really long-term robust. Be glad you're not repairing an 80's BMW speedo. > Gaahhh! > -- > Rod Williams > Petaluma, California > 1967 MGB > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Fri Mar 26 13:44:08 2010 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:44:08 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87F121F9-F285-4751-B1CC-424F9F3C6AFA@sonic.net> Hi Michael, According to all the books I have on that TR engine it should be set to hold 70 psi @ 3,000 rpm warm, but 60 is probably adequate. Cheers, Wendell On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > The oil pressure in my TR was pegged at 100 PSI, and oil was > BLOWING out > through the gauge. I sent it to West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys > to be > rebuilt. I was quoted > $70 and a week to ten days for return. I needed it back in a hurry, > so for an > extra $25 it was rebuilt and retuned over night in working > condition, cost $97 > plus over night freight down and back. It worked for a while then > failed > because my pressure was still at 100 PSI. I have Jaeger gauges and > couldn't > find another, so I opened it up and found that it is literally just > a soft > lead bladder that opens and closes like a watch spring with the oil > pressure. > I found a small crack in the bladder, cleaned and soldered it shut > and it has > worked for almost a year now. It was then that I found out about > the pressure > regulator and adjustment screw on the filter housing. I adjusted > the pressure > down to 60 PSI, and baby runs great now. I can't fault West Valley > Gauge for > the problem, but have high praise for the service. Call Morris. > > Michael 64 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mvg1 at verizon.net Fri Mar 26 14:44:13 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Gauges References: <87F121F9-F285-4751-B1CC-424F9F3C6AFA@sonic.net> Message-ID: <368FDE570169433698F3FFF2FA51CB48@mike> Thank you Wendell, I am probably to 70 than 60. As it happens, I went on the club ride Saturday and was watching and waiting for oil to come gushing out again. Now maybe I'll relax about it. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "wendell bain" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Gauges > Hi Michael, > > According to all the books I have on that TR engine it should be set > to hold 70 psi @ 3,000 rpm warm, but 60 is probably adequate. > > Cheers, > Wendell > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:09 PM, > wrote: > >> The oil pressure in my TR was pegged at 100 PSI, and oil was BLOWING out >> through the gauge. I sent it to West Valley Instruments in Van Nuys to >> be >> rebuilt. I was quoted >> $70 and a week to ten days for return. I needed it back in a hurry, so >> for an >> extra $25 it was rebuilt and retuned over night in working condition, >> cost $97 >> plus over night freight down and back. It worked for a while then failed >> because my pressure was still at 100 PSI. I have Jaeger gauges and >> couldn't >> find another, so I opened it up and found that it is literally just a >> soft >> lead bladder that opens and closes like a watch spring with the oil >> pressure. >> I found a small crack in the bladder, cleaned and soldered it shut and >> it has >> worked for almost a year now. It was then that I found out about the >> pressure >> regulator and adjustment screw on the filter housing. I adjusted the >> pressure >> down to 60 PSI, and baby runs great now. I can't fault West Valley Gauge >> for >> the problem, but have high praise for the service. Call Morris. >> >> Michael 64 TR4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From doctoddwright at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 26 21:16:30 2010 From: doctoddwright at sbcglobal.net (Todd Wright) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Nobbc] Morris Minor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <704564.21537.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FYI There is a 67 Morris Minor for sale on craigs list in Sebastopol by a nice German who likes British. Todd 66 MGB --- On Thu, 3/25/10, andy preston wrote: From: andy preston Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 5:48 PM Hi Greg, I've owned 2 JHs in my life a 73 in England and a 74 1/2 over here. I loved them both. The one over here I used as my only car for over 3 years and commuted to San Rafael from RP every day. The car never let me down. I finally had to sell it at 95,000 miles when we had kids. If I could find it I would love to buy it back. It was blue with a tan interior. BTW the one on Craig's list has the engine compartment and trunk painted matt black, I recollect that it should be body color. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:28 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey Hi Folks, There's a Jensen Healey on Craigslist that looks absolutely gorgeous in the photos. Price is strong, but if the car is as nice as the pics, might be nice... Just passing it on - don't know who's selling it. Cheers, Greg Tatarian http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1661132981.html _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sirplb at aol.com Sun Mar 28 20:41:31 2010 From: sirplb at aol.com (sirplb at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Nobbc] Jensen Healey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC9D08DB1ED2A1-21A8-22400@webmail-d015.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy, You are correct in that the engine bay and trunk were originally body color. BTW, If you are possibly interested in accuiring another one. I've a 74 JH (4 spd) with less than 75k on the clock. Although mine is not nearly as nice as this one on craigslist, it could be a daily driver (I don't but it could be) for a lot less money. If you are interested in an unmolested, pretty original with a few improvements, let me know. I've included some pictures that were taken last summer. Cheers, Pat 74 JH 14858 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 003.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 004.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 005.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 006.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 007.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 008.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 009.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 74 JH #14858 010.jpg] From mvg1 at verizon.net Mon Mar 29 12:14:22 2010 From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:14:22 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Customized Cars and C. Berry Message-ID: [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] Just in case anyone is interested. Michael 64 TR4 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dickey To: undisclosed recipients: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: Fw: Customized Cars and C. Berry Jessie or John Dickey --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Randy L Hitt wrote: From: Randy L Hitt Subject: Customized Cars and C. Berry To: Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 10:45 AM ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14660) http://www.pctools.com ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14660) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] From jkenner at tamcab.com Mon Mar 29 15:22:52 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:22:52 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] MGB Message-ID: <001901cacf8e$5fdc4fe0$1f94efa0$@com> LOOKS LIKE A DECENT DEAL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/1663816327.html WASN'T SOMEONE LOOKING FOR AN MGB RECENTLY? JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mowog at sonic.net Mon Mar 29 17:36:29 2010 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] MGB In-Reply-To: <001901cacf8e$5fdc4fe0$1f94efa0$@com> References: <001901cacf8e$5fdc4fe0$1f94efa0$@com> Message-ID: <0FE81A5D-D72A-4BB0-8826-CB790AC47343@sonic.net> On Mar 29, 2010, at 3:22 PM, John Kenner wrote: > WASN'T SOMEONE LOOKING FOR AN MGB RECENTLY? Nice. No rust. SUs in a box ready to put back on. Good color and a fair price. What's not to like? Hope it runs. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From jkenner at tamcab.com Wed Mar 31 11:07:24 2010 From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:07:24 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] WALTER WITH THE HEALEYS Message-ID: <009301cad0fd$06b8d440$142a7cc0$@com> WALTER, WHAT'S YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS? I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR GPS THANKS JOHN KENNER 510 231 6803 P 415 806 2457 C 510 231 6805 F tamalpais_s [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif]