From jamesechristian at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 11:55:14 2010
From: jamesechristian at yahoo.com (Jim Christian)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Bodywork recommendation
Message-ID: <372137.89968.qm@web58705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

NOBBC,
Just had a great experience having my XKE worked on by Ron Wheeler in
Forestville.  He was  recommended by several in the NOBBC, and was every bit
as good as his recommendations.  

The work I had done was floorpan
replacements, some body panel re-fitting, and some touch-up of paint chips and
scars.  His workmanship was great, he completed this for less than the
estimated time, and he had the car ready when he said it would be ready ...
and it was immaculate at delivery.  Great work, on-time, on budget, and a nice
person as well; it doesn't get any better, folks!!

It is a pleasure to pass
on a good recommendation!  Ron is at 707-887-7030.

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  2 20:40:39 2010
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
 information
In-Reply-To: <380534.15823.qm@web113501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <378402.90102.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yahoo.....I got the tickets today. Thanks Micheal!  So are we caravanning,
meeting at Bad Ass?  I'm thinking Hwy 12.

Walter

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
information
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:49 PM

Thanks Greg, now I want to drive the track and that in its self would be a
real thrill at any speed.  I have not been following the procedures or
instruction as I did not think I would be able to do it.  Do I pay on Sunday
and are there any dead-lines to get authorized for track laps?
thanks again, Sarto

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
information
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:57 PM

Sarto,
I recently helped with signups and waivers for the Alfa Centenario parade
laps
at Infineon, and can tell you the following:
These laps are not like track day laps, but should be thought of more as
parade laps. As such, no helmets or other safety devices are required,
because
you won't be speeding around the track, passing, lagging back then gunning it
around the turns. The pace is rapid but safe, and won't get your adrenaline
going due to action, but just by being out on a race track with your friends.
Race course officials REALLY frown on these laps being used as race laps,
because the drivers presumably don't have race qualifications, their cars
aren't safety checked, and there is no safety gear. In the past, non-race
drivers have been killed on various tracks when they got over their heads,
and
the tracks are cautious about it nowadays. Think freeway speeds on the
straights, less on the turns.
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian


On 5/26/2010 12:07 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
> Hi Michael, I have never been on a track before and don't know what is
> required to drive it.It would be fun to get the Lotus into the action.
> Sarto
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From sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com  Wed Jun  2 20:56:54 2010
From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com (sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
Message-ID: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>

To All,

I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He brought
me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still wants
to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is very
pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any other
club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things next
year.

As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed up. A
few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do laps,
other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all it is
the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket admits
you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of excellent
wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill and
follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. Mike
D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If you can
be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, we can
all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles Metcalf are
going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to Infineon, (
a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My Cell
number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, call me.
I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great experience.

Michael Gianandrea
64 TR4

Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
Cell   707-849-6986

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Wed Jun  2 22:10:26 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A95D@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Mike: one more ticket for the Jag lady. Now how do we get these from you?

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: nobbc <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed Jun 02 19:56:54 2010
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan

To All,

I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He brought
me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still
wants
to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is
very
pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any other
club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things next
year.

As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed up.
A
few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do
laps,
other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all it is
the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket admits
you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of excellent
wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill and
follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. Mike
D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If you
can
be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, we
can
all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles Metcalf
are
going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to Infineon, (
a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My Cell
number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, call
me.
I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great experience.

Michael Gianandrea
64 TR4

Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
Cell   707-849-6986
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From hawkview at sonic.net  Wed Jun  2 22:15:06 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:15:06 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
 information
In-Reply-To: <378402.90102.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <378402.90102.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E759E7FB5FC64F1D8D838D107062F2F7@williamsonPC>

We're up for a caravan from Bad Ass.  Be a hoot.

The new guys,
Clif and Deborah
74 Jensen Healey

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Walter & Gwen Kilchherr" <wkilch at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:40 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral 
information

> Yahoo.....I got the tickets today. Thanks Micheal!  So are we caravanning,
> meeting at Bad Ass?  I'm thinking Hwy 12.
>
> Walter
>
> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car 
> Corral
> information
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:49 PM
>
> Thanks Greg, now I want to drive the track and that in its self would be a
> real thrill at any speed.  I have not been following the procedures or
> instruction as I did not think I would be able to do it.  Do I pay on 
> Sunday
> and are there any dead-lines to get authorized for track laps?
> thanks again, Sarto
>
> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car 
> Corral
> information
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:57 PM
>
> Sarto,
> I recently helped with signups and waivers for the Alfa Centenario parade
> laps
> at Infineon, and can tell you the following:
> These laps are not like track day laps, but should be thought of more as
> parade laps. As such, no helmets or other safety devices are required,
> because
> you won't be speeding around the track, passing, lagging back then gunning 
> it
> around the turns. The pace is rapid but safe, and won't get your 
> adrenaline
> going due to action, but just by being out on a race track with your 
> friends.
> Race course officials REALLY frown on these laps being used as race laps,
> because the drivers presumably don't have race qualifications, their cars
> aren't safety checked, and there is no safety gear. In the past, non-race
> drivers have been killed on various tracks when they got over their heads,
> and
> the tracks are cautious about it nowadays. Think freeway speeds on the
> straights, less on the turns.
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
>
>
> On 5/26/2010 12:07 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
>> Hi Michael, I have never been on a track before and don't know what is
>> required to drive it.It would be fun to get the Lotus into the action.
>> Sarto
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From markdarley at mac.com  Thu Jun  3 09:32:59 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
References: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
Message-ID: <46D81204-D28C-45EF-BB11-758922EB4B43@mac.com>

Mike and Michael,

I think it is unlikely I will get my 22 year old son here from SF in  
time to be at the gate at 9am on a Sunday morning!
Please save us some room in the coral. We will follow later.
Thanks
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:56 PM, sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com wrote:

> To All,
>
> I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway.  
> He brought
> me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that  
> still wants
> to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow.  
> Mike is very
> pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost  
> any other
> club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool  
> things next
> year.
>
> As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have  
> signed up. A
> few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements  
> to do laps,
> other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after  
> all it is
> the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race  
> activities are
> finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission  
> ticket admits
> you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of  
> excellent
> wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the  
> hill and
> follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9  
> area. Mike
> D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in.  
> If you can
> be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking  
> lot, we can
> all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles  
> Metcalf are
> going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to  
> Infineon, (
> a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us  
> there. My Cell
> number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on  
> Sunday, call me.
> I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great  
> experience.
>
> Michael Gianandrea
> 64 TR4
>
> Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
> Cell   707-849-6986
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From rnapda at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 11:15:50 2010
From: rnapda at yahoo.com (Richard Anderson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <46D81204-D28C-45EF-BB11-758922EB4B43@mac.com>
References: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
	<46D81204-D28C-45EF-BB11-758922EB4B43@mac.com>
Message-ID: <344459.94310.qm@web46007.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike and Michael,

I need a little grace time also.  I am bringing 2 guys who are flying in from the east coast on Saturday and I hope to be there around 10.  Please save us a spot also.  I'll have 4 guys there including myself and one XKE.  If any body has a spare seat for laps I would sure appreciate getting the two carless guys on the track.

Thanks,

Dick
'67 XKE





________________________________
From: Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 8:32:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan

Mike and Michael,

I think it is unlikely I will get my 22 year old son here from SF in time to be at the gate at 9am on a Sunday morning!
Please save us some room in the coral. We will follow later.
Thanks
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:56 PM, sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com wrote:

> To All,
> 
> I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He brought
> me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still wants
> to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is very
> pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any other
> club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things next
> year.
> 
> As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed up. A
> few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do laps,
> other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all it is
> the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
> finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket admits
> you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of excellent
> wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill and
> follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. Mike
> D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If you can
> be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, we can
> all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles Metcalf are
> going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to Infineon, (
> a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My Cell
> number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, call me.
> I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great experience.
> 
> Michael Gianandrea
> 64 TR4
> 
> Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
> Cell   707-849-6986
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From wbain at sonic.net  Thu Jun  3 12:00:54 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
References: <5BB335DF001B48B6BFA117E96A59B028@mike>
Message-ID: <61447E1B-44BB-4011-8126-668AE4D743A3@sonic.net>

Hi Mike,

Tickets arrived yesterday. Thanks very much again.
I'll see you at your shop at 8:15 Sunday am.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:56 PM, <sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com>  
<sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com> wrote:

> To All,
>
> I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway.  
> He brought
> me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that  
> still wants
> to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow.  
> Mike is very
> pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost  
> any other
> club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool  
> things next
> year.
>
> As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have  
> signed up. A
> few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements  
> to do laps,
> other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after  
> all it is
> the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race  
> activities are
> finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission  
> ticket admits
> you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of  
> excellent
> wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up  
> the hill and
> follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9  
> area. Mike
> D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in.  
> If you can
> be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking  
> lot, we can
> all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles  
> Metcalf are
> going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to  
> Infineon, (
> a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us  
> there. My Cell
> number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on  
> Sunday, call me.
> I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great  
> experience.
>
> Michael Gianandrea
> 64 TR4
>
> Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
> Cell   707-849-6986
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Thu Jun  3 13:28:29 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Michael)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
 information
References: <378402.90102.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E759E7FB5FC64F1D8D838D107062F2F7@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <8E03830D6F42452F8A1BB313AD6D53B1@hp1250>

I do not think any one is going to be at Bad Ass. If you would like to join 
my caravan from Petaluma, you are welcome to. come to my shop by 8:15 AM 
sunday.

MVG Molded Products
1028 Clegg Court
Petaluma, CA 94954

Take 101 South, exit Pet Blvd North, left over the fwy, right on N McDowell, 
right on Clegg St., (3rd on the right, look for Park Deli Cafe. I*'m in the 
same building), right on Clegg Court, driveway on the right, turn left, 100 
feet to my shop.
Shop    707-766-9405    Cell 707-849-6986

Michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson" <hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral 
information


> We're up for a caravan from Bad Ass.  Be a hoot.
>
> The new guys,
> Clif and Deborah
> 74 Jensen Healey
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Walter & Gwen Kilchherr" <wkilch at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:40 PM
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car 
> Corral information
>
>> Yahoo.....I got the tickets today. Thanks Micheal!  So are we 
>> caravanning,
>> meeting at Bad Ass?  I'm thinking Hwy 12.
>>
>> Walter
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car 
>> Corral
>> information
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:49 PM
>>
>> Thanks Greg, now I want to drive the track and that in its self would be 
>> a
>> real thrill at any speed.  I have not been following the procedures or
>> instruction as I did not think I would be able to do it.  Do I pay on 
>> Sunday
>> and are there any dead-lines to get authorized for track laps?
>> thanks again, Sarto
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car 
>> Corral
>> information
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:57 PM
>>
>> Sarto,
>> I recently helped with signups and waivers for the Alfa Centenario parade
>> laps
>> at Infineon, and can tell you the following:
>> These laps are not like track day laps, but should be thought of more as
>> parade laps. As such, no helmets or other safety devices are required,
>> because
>> you won't be speeding around the track, passing, lagging back then 
>> gunning it
>> around the turns. The pace is rapid but safe, and won't get your 
>> adrenaline
>> going due to action, but just by being out on a race track with your 
>> friends.
>> Race course officials REALLY frown on these laps being used as race laps,
>> because the drivers presumably don't have race qualifications, their cars
>> aren't safety checked, and there is no safety gear. In the past, non-race
>> drivers have been killed on various tracks when they got over their 
>> heads,
>> and
>> the tracks are cautious about it nowadays. Think freeway speeds on the
>> straights, less on the turns.
>> Cheers,
>> Greg Tatarian
>>
>>
>> On 5/26/2010 12:07 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
>>> Hi Michael, I have never been on a track before and don't know what is
>>> required to drive it.It would be fun to get the Lotus into the action.
>>> Sarto
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc 

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Thu Jun  3 13:29:48 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Michael)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:29:48 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A95D@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
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I'm out of tickets, she will have to buy one at the gate.

MVG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan


> Mike: one more ticket for the Jag lady. Now how do we get these from you?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: nobbc <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed Jun 02 19:56:54 2010
> Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
>
> To All,
>
> I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He 
> brought
> me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still
> wants
> to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is
> very
> pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any 
> other
> club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things 
> next
> year.
>
> As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed 
> up.
> A
> few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do
> laps,
> other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all it 
> is
> the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
> finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket 
> admits
> you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of 
> excellent
> wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill 
> and
> follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. Mike
> D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If you
> can
> be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, we
> can
> all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles Metcalf
> are
> going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to 
> Infineon, (
> a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My 
> Cell
> number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, call
> me.
> I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great 
> experience.
>
> Michael Gianandrea
> 64 TR4
>
> Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
> Cell   707-849-6986
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Thu Jun  3 17:40:44 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:40:44 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <40C546C212624DDE84B1AD13890A0DE7@hp1250>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A95D@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<40C546C212624DDE84B1AD13890A0DE7@hp1250>
Message-ID: <5F1EAE32BBF74735BC229A35DFAC27FC@williamsonPC>

Tickets got here today so we are set.
If no Bad Ass caravan that's OK.   Will see and meet everybody at the track 
around 10:00.
Excited to make new friends and see some great British history.
Clif and Deborah
74 Jensen Healey
A little info on this car.  We have owned it since new, purchased from BMC 
Oakland.
She has been skiing many times,  and several trips to LA and one to Vegas. 
But mostly for the last 20 years a garage queen.  About 79,000 miles.
She's a 5 speed, with federal rubber bumpers.  Not fond of these, but the 
rear bumper saved this car from some serious damage when it was rear ended 
while parked.
Now a 2.2 with dual Dellorto 45's, 2.2 crank, 107 cams and Pertronix 
ignition.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:29 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan

> I'm out of tickets, she will have to buy one at the gate.
>
> MVG
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
> To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
>
>
>> Mike: one more ticket for the Jag lady. Now how do we get these from you?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: nobbc <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wed Jun 02 19:56:54 2010
>> Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
>>
>> To All,
>>
>> I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He 
>> brought
>> me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still
>> wants
>> to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is
>> very
>> pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any 
>> other
>> club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things 
>> next
>> year.
>>
>> As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed 
>> up.
>> A
>> few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do
>> laps,
>> other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all 
>> it is
>> the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
>> finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket 
>> admits
>> you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of 
>> excellent
>> wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill 
>> and
>> follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. 
>> Mike
>> D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If 
>> you
>> can
>> be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, 
>> we
>> can
>> all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles 
>> Metcalf
>> are
>> going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to 
>> Infineon, (
>> a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My 
>> Cell
>> number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, 
>> call
>> me.
>> I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great 
>> experience.
>>
>> Michael Gianandrea
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
>> Cell   707-849-6986
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  3 19:45:46 2010
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
 information
In-Reply-To: <8E03830D6F42452F8A1BB313AD6D53B1@hp1250>
Message-ID: <295828.40832.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Petaluma at 8:15 it is.

W

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Michael <mvg1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Michael <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
information
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 12:28 PM

I do not think any one is going to be at Bad Ass. If you would like to join my
caravan from Petaluma, you are welcome to. come to my shop by 8:15 AM sunday.

MVG Molded Products
1028 Clegg Court
Petaluma, CA 94954

Take 101 South, exit Pet Blvd North, left over the fwy, right on N McDowell,
right on Clegg St., (3rd on the right, look for Park Deli Cafe. I*'m in the
same building), right on Clegg Court, driveway on the right, turn left, 100
feet to my shop.
Shop    707-766-9405    Cell 707-849-6986

Michael

----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif & Deborah Williamson"
<hawkview at sonic.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
information


> We're up for a caravan from Bad Ass.  Be a hoot.
>
> The new guys,
> Clif and Deborah
> 74 Jensen Healey
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Walter & Gwen Kilchherr" <wkilch at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:40 PM
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car Corral
information
>
>> Yahoo.....I got the tickets today. Thanks Micheal!  So are we caravanning,
>> meeting at Bad Ass?  I'm thinking Hwy 12.
>>
>> Walter
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Sarto Rocheleau <sarto477 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car
Corral
>> information
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:49 PM
>>
>> Thanks Greg, now I want to drive the track and that in its self would be a
>> real thrill at any speed.  I have not been following the procedures or
>> instruction as I did not think I would be able to do it.  Do I pay on
Sunday
>> and are there any dead-lines to get authorized for track laps?
>> thanks again, Sarto
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: FINAL!! Wine Country Classic tickets and Car
Corral
>> information
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:57 PM
>>
>> Sarto,
>> I recently helped with signups and waivers for the Alfa Centenario parade
>> laps
>> at Infineon, and can tell you the following:
>> These laps are not like track day laps, but should be thought of more as
>> parade laps. As such, no helmets or other safety devices are required,
>> because
>> you won't be speeding around the track, passing, lagging back then gunning
it
>> around the turns. The pace is rapid but safe, and won't get your
adrenaline
>> going due to action, but just by being out on a race track with your
friends.
>> Race course officials REALLY frown on these laps being used as race laps,
>> because the drivers presumably don't have race qualifications, their cars
>> aren't safety checked, and there is no safety gear. In the past, non-race
>> drivers have been killed on various tracks when they got over their heads,
>> and
>> the tracks are cautious about it nowadays. Think freeway speeds on the
>> straights, less on the turns.
>> Cheers,
>> Greg Tatarian
>>
>>
>> On 5/26/2010 12:07 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
>>> Hi Michael, I have never been on a track before and don't know what is
>>> required to drive it.It would be fun to get the Lotus into the action.
>>> Sarto
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From mvg1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 15:39:59 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:39:59 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC tickets
References: <174809.73662.qm@web180008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BCBC2337E68E44F9889E1B6B9EE94F52@mike>

Hi Greg,

Do you still need a ticket for tomorrow?

Michael
64 TR4
707-849-6986

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Badano" <gsb1159 at pacbell.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC tickets


> Mike,
>
> I am going solo on Saturday as we are celebrating our daughter's birthday 
> on
> Sunday.  If you would entertain selling one ticket (with or without lot 2
> parking) I would be happy to take one off your hands.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
> 59 AC Aceca
>
> --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] WCC tickets
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:31 AM
>
>
> I have 2 Saturday tickets for the WCC event at Infineon with lot 2 parking
> next to the paddock area. My daughter graduates from Casa Grande High 
> School
> next weekend and I cannot attend until Sunday. Face value is $40 each, I
> would
> like to sell both with the parking for $75.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jun  5 00:05:41 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 23:05:41 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A95D@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A972@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

One extra ticket and lap pass availabe for Sunday Infineon if anyone is
interested. Call 707 249 3888

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: nobbc at autox.team.net <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed Jun 02 21:10:26 2010
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan

Mike: one more ticket for the Jag lady. Now how do we get these from you?

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: nobbc <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed Jun 02 19:56:54 2010
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunday Car Caravan

To All,

I have just had a visit from Mike D'Addario from Infineon raceway. He brought
me a few extra corral passes for our club. If there is anyone that still
wants
to join, there is still time, but please let me know by tomorrow. Mike is
very
pleased that our club has about 20 cars in it, more so than almost any other
club doing a corral. If this works well, we can do some very cool things next
year.

As of now, all of the tickets have been mailed to those that have signed up.
A
few things to know, there are no special equipment or requirements to do
laps,
other than a safe good running vehicle, some self restraint ( after all it is
the WINE Country Classic), laps are at 5 PM after the race activities are
finished, laps should be paid to Tim Thresh and your  admission ticket admits
you to the wine & food tent. This is an additional treat, a lot of excellent
wines and gourmet food. You should enter at the main gate, go up the hill and
follow the road around to turn 8. Our corral is in the turn 8/9 area. Mike
D'Addario is going to meet me at the gate at 9 AM and  guide us in. If you
can
be there at 9 AM, and want to wait outside the gate in the parking lot, we
can
all parade in together. Sarto Rocheleau, Wendell Bain, and Charles Metcalf
are
going to meet me at my shop in Petaluma at 8:15 to cruise over to Infineon, (
a twenty minute drive), all are welcome to join us, or meet us there. My Cell
number is 707-849-6986, if anyone needs help or directions on Sunday, call
me.
I will see you all there, it should be a stellar day, and a great experience.

Michael Gianandrea
64 TR4

Work 707-766-9405    Thursday / Friday morning
Cell   707-849-6986
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From mvg1 at att.net  Sat Jun  5 09:34:12 2010
From: mvg1 at att.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:34:12 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
Message-ID: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>

To All ar Corral Participants,

Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to caravan
down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to Hwy
121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided in to
our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the main
gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area to
the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two atta
boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.

Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase tickets
and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of you
to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those doing
laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize, and
collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into the
wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from Santa
Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the Redwood
Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful day
and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of your
wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, my
address follows.

Michael
64 TR4

MVG Molded Products
1028 Clegg Court
Petaluma, CA 94954
Shop    707-766-9405
Cell      707-849-6986

>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to North
McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right on
Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, look
for my black TR. See you there.

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Sat Jun  5 11:40:21 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A973@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Mike:
Thanks again for coordinating all of this. No small feat! Will try to meet at
the main gate area at 0900.
Frank Morris
63 XKE (red)

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: nobbc <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Jun 05 08:34:12 2010
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

To All ar Corral Participants,

Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to caravan
down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to Hwy
121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided in
to
our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the main
gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area to
the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two atta
boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.

Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase tickets
and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of
you
to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those doing
laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize,
and
collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into the
wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from Santa
Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the Redwood
Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful day
and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of your
wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, my
address follows.

Michael
64 TR4

MVG Molded Products
1028 Clegg Court
Petaluma, CA 94954
Shop    707-766-9405
Cell      707-849-6986

>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to
North
McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right on
Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, look
for my black TR. See you there.
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  5 12:59:42 2010
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:59:42 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
Message-ID: <BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>

Mike has done a great job wrapping up what I started. Thanks to him we have 
all tickets etc organised.

I will be to the corral by 11am and hope to see you all during lunch for a 
photo op (Ron is not coming, but I will bring my camera).

Remember $15 in cash is owing to me for each person who received a lap 
ticket in advance, from Mike. I will collect at our lunch break meeting or 
you can leave it for me with your name on, in an envelope on my driver seat 
(TIMSMGA- Red).
Look forward to see you all tomorrow, and most of you "on track" at 5pm.

Tim
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:34 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> To All ar Corral Participants,
>
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to 
> caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to 
> Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided 
> in to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the 
> main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area 
> to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two 
> atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase 
> tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of 
> you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those 
> doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize, 
> and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into 
> the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from 
> Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the 
> Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful 
> day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of 
> your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, 
> my
> address follows.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
>
>>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to 
>>North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right 
> on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, 
> look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From rnapda at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 14:56:55 2010
From: rnapda at yahoo.com (Richard Anderson)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
	<BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <850852.23020.qm@web46008.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Tim,

I didn't get a lap pass in advance.  I think I indicater I wanted to do that.  I assume I can take care of that tomrrow at lunch?  Thanks again to you Mike and Michael for all the effort.  see you all tomorrow.

Dick
'67 Jag



________________________________
From: Tim Thresh <tsthresh at hotmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 11:59:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

Mike has done a great job wrapping up what I started. Thanks to him we have all tickets etc organised.

I will be to the corral by 11am and hope to see you all during lunch for a photo op (Ron is not coming, but I will bring my camera).

Remember $15 in cash is owing to me for each person who received a lap ticket in advance, from Mike. I will collect at our lunch break meeting or you can leave it for me with your name on, in an envelope on my driver seat (TIMSMGA- Red).
Look forward to see you all tomorrow, and most of you "on track" at 5pm.

Tim
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:34 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> To All ar Corral Participants,
> 
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided in to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
> 
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize, and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, my
> address follows.
> 
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> 
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
> 
>> From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From splath at comcast.net  Sat Jun  5 13:01:06 2010
From: splath at comcast.net (Steve Plath)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
	<BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601cb04e1$74574460$5d05cd20$@net>

Tim,

I plan on getting there about 11:00 so will see you and pay you then.  I'll
be in a black Daimler SP250.  Thanks for all your efforts.

Steve Plath

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Thresh
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:00 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

Mike has done a great job wrapping up what I started. Thanks to him we have 
all tickets etc organised.

I will be to the corral by 11am and hope to see you all during lunch for a 
photo op (Ron is not coming, but I will bring my camera).

Remember $15 in cash is owing to me for each person who received a lap 
ticket in advance, from Mike. I will collect at our lunch break meeting or 
you can leave it for me with your name on, in an envelope on my driver seat 
(TIMSMGA- Red).
Look forward to see you all tomorrow, and most of you "on track" at 5pm.

Tim
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:34 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> To All ar Corral Participants,
>
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to 
> caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to 
> Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided 
> in to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the 
> main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area

> to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two 
> atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase 
> tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of

> you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those 
> doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize,

> and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into 
> the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from 
> Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the 
> Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful 
> day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of 
> your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15,

> my
> address follows.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
>
>>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to 
>>North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right

> on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, 
> look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jun  5 15:29:34 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
Message-ID: <34490CA12CA042B48FF09F80DB77769C@williamsonPC>

Thanks from us as well Mike.
Really looking forward to meeting everybody.
We should be getting in between 10:00 and 10:30.
Clif and Deborah
74 Jensen Healey

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at att.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:34 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> To All ar Corral Participants,
>
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to 
> caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to 
> Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided 
> in to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the 
> main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area 
> to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two 
> atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase 
> tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of 
> you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those 
> doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize, 
> and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into 
> the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from 
> Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the 
> Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful 
> day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of 
> your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, 
> my
> address follows.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
>
>>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to 
>>North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right 
> on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, 
> look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  5 16:05:51 2010
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <850852.23020.qm@web46008.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike><BAY126-DS17084AA3F5EEB4D37DE7F0D8D30@phx.gbl>
	<850852.23020.qm@web46008.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY126-DS2AFBF3818334F31231EAED8D30@phx.gbl>

Dick and others,

Mike may know about acquiring lap passes on the day. I only organised those 
who told me in advance of my deadline. If you did this and were on my list 
then you should have received a pass from Mike. Payment for the lap passes 
is on an honor system- those who received one should honor my credit card 
statement and produce $15 !!

I am sure that Infineon is so blown away at our appearance as a force 
trackside in the Car Corral,  that they will be able to accommodate us on 
the day...

Tim

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Richard Anderson" <rnapda at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:56 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> Hi Tim,
>
> I didn't get a lap pass in advance.  I think I indicater I wanted to do 
> that.  I assume I can take care of that tomrrow at lunch?  Thanks again to 
> you Mike and Michael for all the effort.  see you all tomorrow.
>
> Dick
> '67 Jag
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tim Thresh <tsthresh at hotmail.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 11:59:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
>
> Mike has done a great job wrapping up what I started. Thanks to him we 
> have all tickets etc organised.
>
> I will be to the corral by 11am and hope to see you all during lunch for a 
> photo op (Ron is not coming, but I will bring my camera).
>
> Remember $15 in cash is owing to me for each person who received a lap 
> ticket in advance, from Mike. I will collect at our lunch break meeting or 
> you can leave it for me with your name on, in an envelope on my driver 
> seat (TIMSMGA- Red).
> Look forward to see you all tomorrow, and most of you "on track" at 5pm.
>
> Tim
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at att.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
>
>> To All ar Corral Participants,
>>
>> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to 
>> caravan
>> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 
>> 8:30
>> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to 
>> Hwy
>> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided 
>> in to
>> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the 
>> main
>> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking 
>> area to
>> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
>> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two 
>> atta
>> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>>
>> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase 
>> tickets
>> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many 
>> of you
>> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those 
>> doing
>> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet 
>> for
>> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , 
>> socialize, and
>> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into 
>> the
>> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from 
>> Santa
>> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the 
>> Redwood
>> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
>> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful 
>> day
>> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of 
>> your
>> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 
>> 8:15, my
>> address follows.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> MVG Molded Products
>> 1028 Clegg Court
>> Petaluma, CA 94954
>> Shop    707-766-9405
>> Cell      707-849-6986
>>
>>> From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to 
>>> North
>> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, 
>> right on
>> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, 
>> look
>> for my black TR. See you there.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From wbain at sonic.net  Sat Jun  5 18:48:07 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
References: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
Message-ID: <6C204498-0F43-4813-AA49-2241B5BB3A89@sonic.net>

Thanks Mike and Tim for putting all this together for the group.
Great job.

Wendell

On Jun 5, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> To All ar Corral Participants,
>
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma  
> to caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave  
> at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137,  
> left to Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be  
> guided in to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us  
> at the main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the  
> parking area to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20  
> or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend,  
> (two atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to  
> purchase tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for  
> many of you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but  
> those doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all  
> meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other ,  
> socialize, and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you  
> into the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming  
> from Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of  
> the Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even  
> have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a  
> beautiful day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing  
> all of your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us  
> at 8:15, my
> address follows.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
>
>> From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit  
>> east to North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg  
> St, right on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my  
> office, look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From gsb1159 at pacbell.net  Sat Jun  5 23:58:30 2010
From: gsb1159 at pacbell.net (Greg Badano)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 22:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC tickets
In-Reply-To: <BCBC2337E68E44F9889E1B6B9EE94F52@mike>
Message-ID: <455155.92897.qm@web180005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike,
 
Thanks again for the ticket and the parking pass.  Glad it worked out.
 
Best,
 
Greg

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC tickets
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 2:39 PM


Hi Greg,

Do you still need a ticket for tomorrow?

Michael
64 TR4
707-849-6986

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Badano" <gsb1159 at pacbell.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC tickets


> Mike,
>
> I am going solo on Saturday as we are celebrating our daughter's birthday
> on
> Sunday.  If you would entertain selling one ticket (with or without lot 2
> parking) I would be happy to take one off your hands.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
> 59 AC Aceca
>
> --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] WCC tickets
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 11:31 AM
>
>
> I have 2 Saturday tickets for the WCC event at Infineon with lot 2 parking
> next to the paddock area. My daughter graduates from Casa Grande High
> School
> next weekend and I cannot attend until Sunday. Face value is $40 each, I
> would
> like to sell both with the parking for $75.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  6 23:09:28 2010
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <68A13C3C0848479C92BC39DBDB6DDF69@mike>
Message-ID: <288336.36536.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WOW! What a great day. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and so did Steve.  Hope we can
do it again next year. Thanks again to all who made it happen.

Can't get this grin off my face.
Walter

--- On Sat, 6/5/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:

From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 8:34 AM

To All ar Corral Participants,

Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to caravan
down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to Hwy
121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided in
to
our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the main
gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area to
the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two atta
boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.

Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase tickets
and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of
you
to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those doing
laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize,
and
collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into the
wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from Santa
Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the Redwood
Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful day
and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of your
wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, my
address follows.

Michael
64 TR4

MVG Molded Products
1028 Clegg Court
Petaluma, CA 94954
Shop    707-766-9405
Cell      707-849-6986

>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to
North
McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right on
Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, look
for my black TR. See you there.
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jun  7 00:39:42 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:39:42 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
In-Reply-To: <288336.36536.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <288336.36536.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B96943B558A42E788C0FDF09FD9FB0B@williamsonPC>

Walter must have done laps which would explain the big grin.  It was a hoot, 
wasn't it?
Thank Infineon, thanks Tim, thanks Michael.
Yep it was a great time and fun to meet who we did.  Great group of guys. 
And some pretty sweet rides.
Clif and Deborah
74 JH


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Walter & Gwen Kilchherr" <wkilch at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:09 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday

> WOW! What a great day. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and so did Steve.  Hope we 
> can
> do it again next year. Thanks again to all who made it happen.
>
> Can't get this grin off my face.
> Walter
>
> --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at att.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] WCC Sunday
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 8:34 AM
>
> To All ar Corral Participants,
>
> Tomorrow, several members will meet at 8:15 at my shop in Petaluma to 
> caravan
> down to Infineon, all others are welcome to join us, we will leave at 8:30
> sharp. We will drive down McDowell Blvd to  Hwy 116, to Hwy 137, left to 
> Hwy
> 121 to Infineon main gate. We will be met at the main gate and be guided 
> in
> to
> our carral area by Mike D'Addario at 9 AM. If you care to meet us at the 
> main
> gate to parade in, PLEASE do so. At arrival, pull over to the parking area 
> to
> the right, we will do the same to look for you. We should have 20 or more
> cars, more so than most of the other clubs out there this weekend, (two 
> atta
> boys to each of you), and the more cars to parade in the better.
>
> Also, please remember that Tim Thresh was generous enough to purchase 
> tickets
> and laps in advance, which was probably a significant impetous for many of
> you
> to participate. Event tickets have apparently been paid for, but those 
> doing
> laps still need to pay for them. It would be nice if we could all meet for
> lunch at noon in our corral area in turn 8 to meet each other , socialize,
> and
> collect payment for laps. Remember that your event ticket gets you into 
> the
> wine and food tent. Interestingly enough, we have members coming from 
> Santa
> Rosa / Sebastapol, Marin, SF, Fairfield, we even have a member of the 
> Redwood
> Empire Mini Club that called and asked to join us. Oh yea, we even have a
> Toyota in there (lol). We have a great turn out, it should be a beautiful 
> day
> and lot of fun. I look forward to meeting all of you, and seeing all of 
> your
> wonderful LBC's parked together in turn 8. If you care to join us at 8:15, 
> my
> address follows.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> MVG Molded Products
> 1028 Clegg Court
> Petaluma, CA 94954
> Shop    707-766-9405
> Cell      707-849-6986
>
>>From 101, take the Petaluma Blvd North / Penngrove Highway exit east to
> North
> McDowell Blvd, south on McDowell to Clegg Street, right on Clegg St, right 
> on
> Clegg Court, take the driveway on the right, left 100 feet to my office, 
> look
> for my black TR. See you there.
> _______________________________________________
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 07:05:33 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Gregory Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimo8rLBh9ZRDBlYmk8vA0yMOmYXDU0kKIUKye3S@mail.gmail.com>

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6

From rnapda at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 08:20:58 2010
From: rnapda at yahoo.com (Richard Anderson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimo8rLBh9ZRDBlYmk8vA0yMOmYXDU0kKIUKye3S@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimo8rLBh9ZRDBlYmk8vA0yMOmYXDU0kKIUKye3S@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <819578.20257.qm@web46001.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!  Special thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.

Dick
'67 XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Mon Jun  7 11:12:28 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <819578.20257.qm@web46001.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimo8rLBh9ZRDBlYmk8vA0yMOmYXDU0kKIUKye3S@mail.gmail.com>
	<819578.20257.qm@web46001.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A976@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Tim and Mike:

I certainly want to add my thanks also for all your coordination and
efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the races.  I've been to
the Wine Country Classic several times but each one is different in some
way. So much going on plus the cars and some of the drivers are getting
to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of a chance to talk with
everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces with the names I see
regularly on this site.  I need to participate on more drives.  I still
promise we will show you the Suisun Valley/Winters area one of these
days.

The parade laps were a hoot. We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
got pole position behind the pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
leading instead of a Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
never got out of third gear but we sure had fun anyway.

Frank and Candace
63 Jag E

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Cc: Tom Mountjoy
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!  Special
thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.

Dick
'67 XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at
the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 11:55:39 2010
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A976@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <55684.11411.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I dido Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been on
Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking forward to any
future events that the club might be able to set up.  Tim had mentioned, maybe
Thunder Hill.
Again, thanks,Sarto
66 Lotus Elan
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org> wrote:

From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12 AM

Tim and Mike:

I certainly want to add my thanks also for all your coordination and
efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the races.  I've been to
the Wine Country Classic several times but each one is different in some
way. So much going on plus the cars and some of the drivers are getting
to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of a chance to talk with
everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces with the names I see
regularly on this site.  I need to participate on more drives.  I still
promise we will show you the Suisun Valley/Winters area one of these
days.

The parade laps were a hoot. We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
got pole position behind the pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
leading instead of a Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
never got out of third gear but we sure had fun anyway.

Frank and Candace
63 Jag E

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Cc: Tom Mountjoy
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!  Special
thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.

Dick
'67 XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at
the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From markdarley at mac.com  Mon Jun  7 12:30:26 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:30:26 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <55684.11411.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <55684.11411.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F1E99333-CA7A-469B-B01B-C9A5B8A2FAE2@mac.com>

James and I also had a great time though we were late to arrive.  We  
missed most of you as a result, and spent a good part of our visit in  
the "island" where we had a great time looking at the cars up close  
and talking to drivers.  We dashed back just in time to have a  
friendly Datsun driver let us in behind the Mini for the laps. We  
held back, drifted the rear end a bit on the corners and most  
importantly didn't blow a gasket on the uphill climb....yes a 1500  
MGA could use a few more horses!

Thanks again to Mike and Michael.  Looking forward to connecting with  
you all on another drive.
Cheers
Mark



Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 7, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:

> I dido Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never  
> been on
> Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking  
> forward to any
> future events that the club might be able to set up.  Tim had  
> mentioned, maybe
> Thunder Hill.
> Again, thanks,Sarto
> 66 Lotus Elan
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org> wrote:
>
> From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12 AM
>
> Tim and Mike:
>
> I certainly want to add my thanks also for all your coordination and
> efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the races.  I've been to
> the Wine Country Classic several times but each one is different in  
> some
> way. So much going on plus the cars and some of the drivers are  
> getting
> to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of a chance to talk with
> everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces with the names I see
> regularly on this site.  I need to participate on more drives.  I  
> still
> promise we will show you the Suisun Valley/Winters area one of these
> days.
>
> The parade laps were a hoot. We lucked out by filling my tank early  
> so I
> got pole position behind the pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
> leading instead of a Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
> never got out of third gear but we sure had fun anyway.
>
> Frank and Candace
> 63 Jag E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Richard Anderson
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Cc: Tom Mountjoy
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!   
> Special
> thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.
>
> Dick
> '67 XKE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
> Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
> considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC  
> day at
> the
> vintage races! 3 Cheers!
> Greg and Trish Tatarian
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
> 1974 Triumph TR6
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Mon Jun  7 13:11:33 2010
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <55684.11411.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171A976@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<55684.11411.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAbCgIXvNzBIlYUuWmhNNwfCgAAAEAAAAIezn+xVLRBIifhu4Sd2odABAAAAAA==@redwoodempiremini.com>

You might contact Hooked on Driving. REME has had two events at Thunder Hill
through HOD and one directly with Thunder Hill itself. It's a great track
with quality track training. Cost is around $300 per participant for a full
day of training... likely around 5 track sessions with classroom time in
between.



Peter Ziedrich
Founder
zied at redwoodempiremini.com
http://redwoodempiremini.com
(707) 433-3239 phone/fax

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:56 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

I dido Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been on
Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking forward to any
future events that the club might be able to set up.  Tim had mentioned,
maybe
Thunder Hill.
Again, thanks,Sarto
66 Lotus Elan
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org> wrote:

From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12 AM

Tim and Mike:

I certainly want to add my thanks also for all your coordination and
efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the races.  I've been to
the Wine Country Classic several times but each one is different in some
way. So much going on plus the cars and some of the drivers are getting
to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of a chance to talk with
everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces with the names I see
regularly on this site.  I need to participate on more drives.  I still
promise we will show you the Suisun Valley/Winters area one of these
days.

The parade laps were a hoot. We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
got pole position behind the pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
leading instead of a Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
never got out of third gear but we sure had fun anyway.

Frank and Candace
63 Jag E

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Cc: Tom Mountjoy
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!  Special
thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.

Dick
'67 XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at
the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
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Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc




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From MAEMLY at aol.com  Mon Jun  7 17:19:08 2010
From: MAEMLY at aol.com (MAEMLY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:19:08 EDT
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
Message-ID: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>

Tim and Mike ETAL.................Well like all the rest. Great fun  and 
job well done. Best seats in the place.
              Now if we could have just gotten the shuttle driver to bend a 
little, we  wouldn't have had to walk up the hill. We'll have to work on 
that for next year.  I believe the response will be even greater once 
everybody hears of the good  times and even the lunch filled our needs.
              Was happy to meet several of the members the cars were the 
frosting on the cake.  Except for the TOYOTA  even Deborah and Cliff had to  
move there JH so it wouldn't be infected by the toy. Again 
thanks.............  Mel and his two Buddies
 
 
In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:13:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sarto477 at yahoo.com writes:

I dido  Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been  on
Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking  forward to 
any
future events that the club might be able to set up.   Tim had mentioned, 
maybe
Thunder Hill.
Again, thanks,Sarto
66 Lotus  Elan
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>  wrote:

From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Subject: Re:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
To: "North Bay British Car Club"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12  AM

Tim and Mike:

I certainly want to add my thanks also for all  your coordination and
efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the  races.  I've been to
the Wine Country Classic several times but each  one is different in some
way. So much going on plus the cars and some of  the drivers are getting
to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of  a chance to talk with
everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces  with the names I see
regularly on this site.  I need to participate on  more drives.  I still
promise we will show you the Suisun  Valley/Winters area one of these
days.

The parade laps were a hoot.  We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
got pole position behind the  pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
leading instead of a  Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
never got out of third  gear but we sure had fun anyway.

Frank and Candace
63 Jag  E

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard  Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
To: North Bay British Car  Club
Cc: Tom Mountjoy
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Another  round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!   Special
thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride  along.

Dick
'67  XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian  <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea  for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first  NOBBC day at
the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish  Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph  TR6
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing  list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc  mailing  list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc  mailing  list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
Nobbc  mailing  list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From splath at comcast.net  Mon Jun  7 19:24:03 2010
From: splath at comcast.net (Steve Plath)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
References: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009b01cb06a9$489560e0$d9c022a0$@net>

Ditto for me although I missed everyone at the corral.  Too bad they stuck
us out in Bob Uecker territory.  Ran into (not literally) one of the other,
of three, Daimler SP250's in the north bay.  We did a lot of comparing.  

I was at the end of the parade laps so it was a lot of stop and go, but
still great fun.  Thanks for everything Mike and Tim.

Steve Plath

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MAEMLY at aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:19 PM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Tim and Mike ETAL.................Well like all the rest. Great fun  and 
job well done. Best seats in the place.
              Now if we could have just gotten the shuttle driver to bend a 
little, we  wouldn't have had to walk up the hill. We'll have to work on 
that for next year.  I believe the response will be even greater once 
everybody hears of the good  times and even the lunch filled our needs.
              Was happy to meet several of the members the cars were the 
frosting on the cake.  Except for the TOYOTA  even Deborah and Cliff had to

move there JH so it wouldn't be infected by the toy. Again 
thanks.............  Mel and his two Buddies
 
 
In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:13:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sarto477 at yahoo.com writes:

I dido  Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been  on
Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking  forward to 
any
future events that the club might be able to set up.   Tim had mentioned, 
maybe
Thunder Hill.
Again, thanks,Sarto
66 Lotus  Elan
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>  wrote:

From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Subject: Re:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
To: "North Bay British Car Club"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12  AM

Tim and Mike:

I certainly want to add my thanks also for all  your coordination and
efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the  races.  I've been to
the Wine Country Classic several times but each  one is different in some
way. So much going on plus the cars and some of  the drivers are getting
to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of  a chance to talk with
everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces  with the names I see
regularly on this site.  I need to participate on  more drives.  I still
promise we will show you the Suisun  Valley/Winters area one of these
days.

The parade laps were a hoot.  We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
got pole position behind the  pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
leading instead of a  Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
never got out of third  gear but we sure had fun anyway.

Frank and Candace
63 Jag  E

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard  Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
To: North Bay British Car  Club
Cc: Tom Mountjoy
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

Another  round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!   Special
thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride  along.

Dick
'67  XKE



________________________________
From: Gregory Tatarian  <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
Subject:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!

A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea  for all of their
considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first  NOBBC day at
the
vintage races! 3 Cheers!
Greg and Trish  Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph  TR6
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jun  7 19:31:58 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:31:58 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
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Yep Frank.
It was great fun.
Deb and I got lost on the way to the line up and ended up at the bottom of 
the hill behind a couple of Cobras and in front of a couple of hot Zs'. 
That wasn't so bad because these guys would lay back and then let loose. 
Except for the jams at the end of the drags (turn 6?) run out and the start 
we had fun with the big boys in their big block Shelbys.   Most of the time 
we couldn't even see the British group.
Did anybody get stung by the I wanna race bug?  They sure gave us a taste.
Thanks again to everybody involved in the set up of the great event.
Clif and Deborah
74 JH


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:12 AM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

> Tim and Mike:
>
> I certainly want to add my thanks also for all your coordination and
> efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the races.  I've been to
> the Wine Country Classic several times but each one is different in some
> way. So much going on plus the cars and some of the drivers are getting
> to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of a chance to talk with
> everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces with the names I see
> regularly on this site.  I need to participate on more drives.  I still
> promise we will show you the Suisun Valley/Winters area one of these
> days.
>
> The parade laps were a hoot. We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
> got pole position behind the pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
> leading instead of a Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
> never got out of third gear but we sure had fun anyway.
>
> Frank and Candace
> 63 Jag E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Richard Anderson
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Cc: Tom Mountjoy
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> Another round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!  Special
> thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride along.
>
> Dick
> '67 XKE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gregory Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
> Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea for all of their
> considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first NOBBC day at
> the
> vintage races! 3 Cheers!
> Greg and Trish Tatarian
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
> 1974 Triumph TR6
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From mvg1 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  7 20:18:21 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:18:21 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
References: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>

OK,

Ill chime here. I appreciate all the thank you's. We had really good day, 
and a great turn out, more than I expected. By my count, we had either 28 or 
30 cars for the day, including the Toyota, but heh, a member is a member, 
even if they do drive a Toyota. Mel tells me he has a 79 Midget, albeit on 
blocks for 10 years. Maybe he'll have for next year. I want to apologize for 
the confusion on the lap time, I got some bad info, but as it turned out, 
everybody made it plus some, (I signed Duane and Sean up sitting in the 
stands) and we did go off at 5 PM. I was less than impressed with the laps, 
too many cars and too many stops on the track, that was lame. But as Sarto 
put it , and for those that not had the experience of driving this or any 
other track, it is a very cool experience, and I hope all enjoyed it. And I 
hope we can get more people to do this again, such as at the boat / car show 
in San Rafael, we could do Thunder Hill, and most certainly next year at 
Infineon, or there are more events coming up this summer. Nascar might be 
possible, but would be pretty expensive, and probably too close time wise 
(two weeks from now). A better possibility might be the IRL event in August. 
That is usually sparsly attended, and they bend over backwards to get people 
in, we could probably get a pretty good set up for that. Mike D'Addario was 
really impressed with our turn out and the quality of our cars, he would 
love to have us back for any of their events. Even my dad was impressed with 
the turn out, he had many comments on the group and the cars, all positive. 
Next time out though, we have to our fearless leader, RON.

Again, thanks for all the thanks, Frank, thanks for the 7 Deadly Zins, it 
wasn't necessary, but I'll enjoy it just the same, and a BIG thank you to 
Tim for the ticket purchase, that was huge. I'm really glad that everyone 
enjoyed the day, let's do it again, SOON.

Michael Gianandrea
64 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MAEMLY at aol.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!


> Tim and Mike ETAL.................Well like all the rest. Great fun  and
> job well done. Best seats in the place.
>              Now if we could have just gotten the shuttle driver to bend a
> little, we  wouldn't have had to walk up the hill. We'll have to work on
> that for next year.  I believe the response will be even greater once
> everybody hears of the good  times and even the lunch filled our needs.
>              Was happy to meet several of the members the cars were the
> frosting on the cake.  Except for the TOYOTA  even Deborah and Cliff had 
> to
> move there JH so it wouldn't be infected by the toy. Again
> thanks.............  Mel and his two Buddies
>
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:13:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> sarto477 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> I dido  Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been 
> on
> Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking  forward to
> any
> future events that the club might be able to set up.   Tim had mentioned,
> maybe
> Thunder Hill.
> Again, thanks,Sarto
> 66 Lotus  Elan
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>  wrote:
>
> From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
> Subject: Re:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
> To: "North Bay British Car Club"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12  AM
>
> Tim and Mike:
>
> I certainly want to add my thanks also for all  your coordination and
> efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the  races.  I've been to
> the Wine Country Classic several times but each  one is different in some
> way. So much going on plus the cars and some of  the drivers are getting
> to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of  a chance to talk with
> everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces  with the names I see
> regularly on this site.  I need to participate on  more drives.  I still
> promise we will show you the Suisun  Valley/Winters area one of these
> days.
>
> The parade laps were a hoot.  We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
> got pole position behind the  pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
> leading instead of a  Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
> never got out of third  gear but we sure had fun anyway.
>
> Frank and Candace
> 63 Jag  E
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Richard  Anderson
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
> To: North Bay British Car  Club
> Cc: Tom Mountjoy
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> Another  round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!!   Special
> thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride  along.
>
> Dick
> '67  XKE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gregory Tatarian  <gtwincams at gmail.com>
> To: North Bay British Car Club  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
> Subject:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
> A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea  for all of their
> considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first  NOBBC day at
> the
> vintage races! 3 Cheers!
> Greg and Trish  Tatarian
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
> 1974 Triumph  TR6
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing  list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc  mailing  list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc  mailing  list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc 

From ctwehn at hughes.net  Mon Jun  7 21:33:00 2010
From: ctwehn at hughes.net (Charlie Wehn)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:33:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Big Thanks for a great day at Sers Point! I really enjoyed
 the laps, wanted more, faster. Patty lost her hat in turn 11. Charlie TR8
References: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
	<8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
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From tsthresh at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 10:04:31 2010
From: tsthresh at hotmail.com (Tim Thresh)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:04:31 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
In-Reply-To: <8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
References: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
	<8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
Message-ID: <BAY126-DS641AB321AA05720311F61D8D60@phx.gbl>

What a blast to see so many of you.

Who ever has pictures- please make sure that Ron receives copies so that
1) he can be envious he was not there
2) he can post them to an album on our web-site

Definiely we should do this again. Perhaps for IRL in August, but more 
likely for the SCCA meet in October (both at Infineon).  Serious racing is 
both expensive and requires commitments. One has to take several classes for 
a race license. However there may be other opportunities for track days 
without a license? I know that car clubs often do this.

Once again thanks to all who joined us, and to everyone for settling their 
debts for tickets without further prompting- I am encouraged to do the same 
again the next time!

Tim
1958 Red "TIMSMGA"

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:18 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!

> OK,
>
> Ill chime here. I appreciate all the thank you's. We had really good day, 
> and a great turn out, more than I expected. By my count, we had either 28 
> or 30 cars for the day, including the Toyota, but heh, a member is a 
> member, even if they do drive a Toyota. Mel tells me he has a 79 Midget, 
> albeit on blocks for 10 years. Maybe he'll have for next year. I want to 
> apologize for the confusion on the lap time, I got some bad info, but as 
> it turned out, everybody made it plus some, (I signed Duane and Sean up 
> sitting in the stands) and we did go off at 5 PM. I was less than 
> impressed with the laps, too many cars and too many stops on the track, 
> that was lame. But as Sarto put it , and for those that not had the 
> experience of driving this or any other track, it is a very cool 
> experience, and I hope all enjoyed it. And I hope we can get more people 
> to do this again, such as at the boat / car show in San Rafael, we could 
> do Thunder Hill, and most certainly next year at Infineon, or there are 
> more events coming up this summer. Nascar might be possible, but would be 
> pretty expensive, and probably too close time wise (two weeks from now). A 
> better possibility might be the IRL event in August. That is usually 
> sparsly attended, and they bend over backwards to get people in, we could 
> probably get a pretty good set up for that. Mike D'Addario was really 
> impressed with our turn out and the quality of our cars, he would love to 
> have us back for any of their events. Even my dad was impressed with the 
> turn out, he had many comments on the group and the cars, all positive. 
> Next time out though, we have to our fearless leader, RON.
>
> Again, thanks for all the thanks, Frank, thanks for the 7 Deadly Zins, it 
> wasn't necessary, but I'll enjoy it just the same, and a BIG thank you to 
> Tim for the ticket purchase, that was huge. I'm really glad that everyone 
> enjoyed the day, let's do it again, SOON.
>
> Michael Gianandrea
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <MAEMLY at aol.com>
> To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>
>
>> Tim and Mike ETAL.................Well like all the rest. Great fun  and
>> job well done. Best seats in the place.
>>              Now if we could have just gotten the shuttle driver to bend 
>> a
>> little, we  wouldn't have had to walk up the hill. We'll have to work on
>> that for next year.  I believe the response will be even greater once
>> everybody hears of the good  times and even the lunch filled our needs.
>>              Was happy to meet several of the members the cars were the
>> frosting on the cake.  Except for the TOYOTA  even Deborah and Cliff had 
>> to
>> move there JH so it wouldn't be infected by the toy. Again
>> thanks.............  Mel and his two Buddies
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:13:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> sarto477 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> I dido  Frank and Candace's thanks to Tim and Michael.  I had never been 
>> on
>> Infineon's course before and it was real thrill.  I'm looking  forward to
>> any
>> future events that the club might be able to set up.   Tim had mentioned,
>> maybe
>> Thunder Hill.
>> Again, thanks,Sarto
>> 66 Lotus  Elan
>> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>  wrote:
>>
>> From: Frank Morris <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
>> Subject: Re:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:12  AM
>>
>> Tim and Mike:
>>
>> I certainly want to add my thanks also for all  your coordination and
>> efforts associated with the NOBBC presence at the  races.  I've been to
>> the Wine Country Classic several times but each  one is different in some
>> way. So much going on plus the cars and some of  the drivers are getting
>> to be "old friends".  I didn't get as much of  a chance to talk with
>> everyone with NOBBC but I am slowly putting faces  with the names I see
>> regularly on this site.  I need to participate on  more drives.  I still
>> promise we will show you the Suisun  Valley/Winters area one of these
>> days.
>>
>> The parade laps were a hoot.  We lucked out by filling my tank early so I
>> got pole position behind the  pace truck.  At least it was a Brit car
>> leading instead of a  Datsun/Nissan that also had a large turnout.  I
>> never got out of third  gear but we sure had fun anyway.
>>
>> Frank and Candace
>> 63 Jag  E
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Richard  Anderson
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:21 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car  Club
>> Cc: Tom Mountjoy
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>>
>> Another  round of cheers and thanks from me.  What a great day!! 
>> Special
>> thanks to Sarto for letting my buddy Tom ride  along.
>>
>> Dick
>> '67  XKE
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gregory Tatarian  <gtwincams at gmail.com>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:05:33 AM
>> Subject:  [Nobbc] Big thanks!
>>
>> A big thank you to Tim Thresh and Mike Gianandrea  for all of their
>> considerable efforts setting up and coordinating our first  NOBBC day at
>> the
>> vintage races! 3 Cheers!
>> Greg and Trish  Tatarian
>> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
>> 1974 Triumph  TR6
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing  list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc  mailing  list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc  mailing  list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 10:58:34 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:58:34 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-DS641AB321AA05720311F61D8D60@phx.gbl>
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	<8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
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Hi All,

Moving onto the discussion of ways to safely drive your car too fast, 
there have been a few good comments about the high cost of real racing, 
and the alternatives that still get you out on the track.

1) Hooked on Driving. Well-organized, reputation for excellent 
instructors, driving is at 7/10, helmet required, car needs to be 
tech'd, but nothing extreme. Costs money, but participants say they 
learn a LOT about how to handle their car, how to pick the right lines 
through a turn, etc.
2) Autocrossing (Solo II). We have a local club, Empire Sports Car 
Association, that puts on monthly autocrosses at the Santa Rosa Airport 
each month during dry seasons. Inexpensive, bring your street car with 
or without mods (must be safety tech'd, and must wear helmet). I say 
inexpensive, but tires are going to last 1-2 seasons depending on your 
skill and car speed, and you'll probably want track tires on second set 
of rims if you get serious about the sport. Really serious autocrossers 
build or buy a car just for the sport, but the best thing is you can 
drive whatever you have, and have a blast!
3) Local club track days. Varies by club, but sometimes not quite as 
organized and polished as HOD, and most clubs only have track days 1-4x 
each year. Experienced club members serve as instructors for 
first-timers, and there is usually some form of class and/or initial 
training. GGLC hosts autocrosses and track days, for example.
4) Hooking up with another car club to share track time and costs. 
Porsche club, among others, often shares track time with other clubs. 
Can make for a long day, but can be a good alternative.
5) Open track days at tracks such as Infineon. This is when they open 
the track, usually for those with racing licenses, for purposes of 
testing and practice.
6) Take competition or defensive driving courses at a track. Expensive, 
but intensive and you'll walk away (drive away) a better driver.

If you haven't had competition or performance driving training, you'll 
be surprised how much you can learn, particularly with HOD or other 
organized event. Excellent street drivers can still learn some useful 
things on a track with an instructor. All in all, any form of 
performance driving ends up costing you more money than driving your car 
on the street, particularly since your insurance won't apply if you 
stuff your car into a wall or break something on the track, and you will 
wear out tires and brakes faster. But most become better drivers on the 
street, and hey, one must have hobbies, right?

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
ex-1 season SCCA/SCCSCC racer, youthful Mulholland Drive fool, ESCA 
member (lapsed - no time lately)





On 6/8/2010 9:04 AM, Tim Thresh wrote:
>
> Definiely we should do this again. Perhaps for IRL in August, but more 
> likely for the SCCA meet in October (both at Infineon).  Serious 
> racing is both expensive and requires commitments. One has to take 
> several classes for a race license. However there may be other 
> opportunities for track days without a license? I know that car clubs 
> often do this.

From nobbc at sonic.net  Tue Jun  8 11:18:04 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:18:04 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
Message-ID: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net>

Wow, I wish I could have been at Sears Point last weekend, sounds like 
those who made it had a great time. Our next scheduled ride is this 
coming Saturday 6/12. I have a family obligation that day so will be 
unable to make it. This will be a good opportunity to step up and lead a 
ride if you've ever felt the desire to do so. Otherwise, meet at 10AM at 
Bad Ass and the concensus of those present will pick a route.

Ron
58 MGA

From jkenner at tamcab.com  Tue Jun  8 11:39:49 2010
From: jkenner at tamcab.com (John Kenner)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:39:49 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
In-Reply-To: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net>
References: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net>
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ANYBODY FEEL LIKE GOING BACK TO MARSHALL FOR MORE OYSTERS?

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:18 AM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!

Wow, I wish I could have been at Sears Point last weekend, sounds like 
those who made it had a great time. Our next scheduled ride is this 
coming Saturday 6/12. I have a family obligation that day so will be 
unable to make it. This will be a good opportunity to step up and lead a 
ride if you've ever felt the desire to do so. Otherwise, meet at 10AM at 
Bad Ass and the concensus of those present will pick a route.

Ron
58 MGA
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Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From zied at redwoodempiremini.com  Tue Jun  8 11:48:58 2010
From: zied at redwoodempiremini.com (Peter Ziedrich)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:48:58 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?
In-Reply-To: <4C0E76BA.3030206@gmail.com>
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	<8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
	<BAY126-DS641AB321AA05720311F61D8D60@phx.gbl>
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Here is latest correspondence from the HOD team... (I highly recommend their
classes to learn how to drive on a track)

Several Details on Upcoming Events:
The "Presented by Roush Performance" event at Thunderhill on July 2nd is a
normal, non-exclusive HOD event with all four traditional run groups. You
are ALL welcome!!   Roush Mustangs, cars powered by Roush engines, and Fords
of all kinds are being invited as a "featured marquee," but you are welcome
to bring your Simca, Sunbeam, or Spyker as well!!  
The Corvette event on July 29-30 is currently exclusive to Corvettes.
Here's the deal: if the Corvette gang musters 75 Vettes by 14 days out,
they've got the event and will have earned it!!  But if there is a shortage,
we gotta pay the bills, so we will open a B/C run group to run separately. 
Please note that we have added August 13th as a full HOD event to our Event
Listings just a few weeks ago - this date might have slipped by some of you.

Ferrari F40's and Ferrari/Maserati friends.  HOD has the Monday day after
the Monterey Motorsports Reunion at Laguna Seca (formerly Historics) on
August 16th.  This began as a reunion and celebration of 20 years of the
Ferrari F40 and has expanded in to an exclusive Ferrari and Maserati day.
See the Event Listings for details if you own an F or M-car.  
Thanks for the overwhelming response to our upcoming June 19-20 weekend!!
There are just a few C and D slots left so if you missed this one, join us
on July 2nd!!
Regards, and We'll See YOU at the Track,
David, Leigh, Dev and the NorCal HOD Team



Peter Ziedrich
Founder
zied at redwoodempiremini.com
http://redwoodempiremini.com
(707) 433-3239 phone/fax

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Tatarian
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:59 AM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?

Hi All,

Moving onto the discussion of ways to safely drive your car too fast, 
there have been a few good comments about the high cost of real racing, 
and the alternatives that still get you out on the track.

1) Hooked on Driving. Well-organized, reputation for excellent 
instructors, driving is at 7/10, helmet required, car needs to be 
tech'd, but nothing extreme. Costs money, but participants say they 
learn a LOT about how to handle their car, how to pick the right lines 
through a turn, etc.
2) Autocrossing (Solo II). We have a local club, Empire Sports Car 
Association, that puts on monthly autocrosses at the Santa Rosa Airport 
each month during dry seasons. Inexpensive, bring your street car with 
or without mods (must be safety tech'd, and must wear helmet). I say 
inexpensive, but tires are going to last 1-2 seasons depending on your 
skill and car speed, and you'll probably want track tires on second set 
of rims if you get serious about the sport. Really serious autocrossers 
build or buy a car just for the sport, but the best thing is you can 
drive whatever you have, and have a blast!
3) Local club track days. Varies by club, but sometimes not quite as 
organized and polished as HOD, and most clubs only have track days 1-4x 
each year. Experienced club members serve as instructors for 
first-timers, and there is usually some form of class and/or initial 
training. GGLC hosts autocrosses and track days, for example.
4) Hooking up with another car club to share track time and costs. 
Porsche club, among others, often shares track time with other clubs. 
Can make for a long day, but can be a good alternative.
5) Open track days at tracks such as Infineon. This is when they open 
the track, usually for those with racing licenses, for purposes of 
testing and practice.
6) Take competition or defensive driving courses at a track. Expensive, 
but intensive and you'll walk away (drive away) a better driver.

If you haven't had competition or performance driving training, you'll 
be surprised how much you can learn, particularly with HOD or other 
organized event. Excellent street drivers can still learn some useful 
things on a track with an instructor. All in all, any form of 
performance driving ends up costing you more money than driving your car 
on the street, particularly since your insurance won't apply if you 
stuff your car into a wall or break something on the track, and you will 
wear out tires and brakes faster. But most become better drivers on the 
street, and hey, one must have hobbies, right?

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4
1974 Triumph TR6
ex-1 season SCCA/SCCSCC racer, youthful Mulholland Drive fool, ESCA 
member (lapsed - no time lately)





On 6/8/2010 9:04 AM, Tim Thresh wrote:
>
> Definiely we should do this again. Perhaps for IRL in August, but more 
> likely for the SCCA meet in October (both at Infineon).  Serious 
> racing is both expensive and requires commitments. One has to take 
> several classes for a race license. However there may be other 
> opportunities for track days without a license? I know that car clubs 
> often do this.
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From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 11:52:37 2010
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:52:37 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
In-Reply-To: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net>
References: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <98A37148-2980-43F0-8135-47571364EDAB@gmail.com>

I haven't been able to make the last few rides, but I'm hoping to be there for
Saturday's one! My yellow Lotus is running beautifully after some TLC on the
motor from Rick Hobbs.

Dawson




On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:

> Wow, I wish I could have been at Sears Point last weekend, sounds like those
who made it had a great time. Our next scheduled ride is this coming Saturday
6/12. I have a family obligation that day so will be unable to make it. This
will be a good opportunity to step up and lead a ride if you've ever felt the
desire to do so. Otherwise, meet at 10AM at Bad Ass and the concensus of those
present will pick a route.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From dawsonchurch at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 12:11:27 2010
From: dawsonchurch at gmail.com (Dawson Church)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:11:27 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
In-Reply-To: <008e01cb0731$98c1a2d0$ca44e870$@com>
References: <4C0E7B4C.2080804@sonic.net> <008e01cb0731$98c1a2d0$ca44e870$@com>
Message-ID: <D5A80F7E-A34C-47C9-9AAB-6D0E485D9B5E@gmail.com>

Sounds good to me!

Dawson


On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:39 AM, John Kenner wrote:

> ANYBODY FEEL LIKE GOING BACK TO MARSHALL FOR MORE OYSTERS?
> 
> JOHN KENNER
> 
> 510 231 6803 P
> 415 806 2457 C
> 510 231 6805 F
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: nobbc at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
> 
> Wow, I wish I could have been at Sears Point last weekend, sounds like 
> those who made it had a great time. Our next scheduled ride is this 
> coming Saturday 6/12. I have a family obligation that day so will be 
> unable to make it. This will be a good opportunity to step up and lead a 
> ride if you've ever felt the desire to do so. Otherwise, meet at 10AM at 
> Bad Ass and the concensus of those present will pick a route.
> 
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Tue Jun  8 12:30:28 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:30:28 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Thank you
Message-ID: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>

Heh Everybody,

Check this out, already cooking up a good one.  IF YOU DID NOT ATTEND SUNDAY,
you missed out on great outing for our club, if you were there, I believe you
all enjoyed it. I sent Mike D'Addario an email this morning, his response is
below. THIS COULD BE GOOD!

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D'addario
To: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: Thank you


Michael,

Glad everyone had a good time, yes it was a cluster Sunday, already know how
to fix it..Let's talk about IRL after NASCAR, I have a few things in mind,



Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com [mailto:sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:54 AM
To: Michael D'addario
Subject: Thank you



Hi Mike,



Despite the confusion on the lap time, everyone in our club had a good time
Sunday. All have emailed thank you's to You, Tim and myself, all enjoyed the
laps, and all seem to want to have more get togethers like Sunday. In fact, I
think we could get more members out in the future, and we have already started
thinking about when and where. I suggested Thunder Hill, and other events at
Infineon, soooooo what could you do for us at the IRL event? Any chance at a
corral on a paved surface, or at least shuttle service to where we might be,
pit passes, etc, EVERYTHING  we can get? If we get started now, I can probably
get a bunch of people there, and have them more organized, maybe get seats
together as group, whatever we can give them. Let me know what we can do. I



I am really pleased at the reception of our group, and the turn out, I never
thought we would have 30 cars, and everyone really enjoyed the day. Again,
thank you very much for all your help.



MVG

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 12:41:40 2010
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:41:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!
In-Reply-To: <008e01cb0731$98c1a2d0$ca44e870$@com>
Message-ID: <764961.69821.qm@web113504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi John, oysters sound good to me!Greg,  I was in front of you at Infineon
and when the field spread out a little, it was a real thrill to feel the Lotus
handle the turns.  I think the local driver training course is on my
list. Sarto

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com> wrote:

From: John Kenner <jkenner at tamcab.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next!
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:39 AM

ANYBODY FEEL LIKE GOING BACK TO MARSHALL FOR MORE OYSTERS?

JOHN KENNER

510 231 6803 P
415 806 2457 C
510 231 6805 F





-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:18 AM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: [Nobbc] Next!

Wow, I wish I could have been at Sears Point last weekend, sounds like
those who made it had a great time. Our next scheduled ride is this
coming Saturday 6/12. I have a family obligation that day so will be
unable to make it. This will be a good opportunity to step up and lead a
ride if you've ever felt the desire to do so. Otherwise, meet at 10AM at
Bad Ass and the concensus of those present will pick a route.

Ron
58 MGA
_______________________________________________
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Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Tue Jun  8 12:55:03 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:55:03 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?
References: <71545.1b74129a.393ed86c@aol.com>
	<8B392DD1EB9C46C9A7F4F0626BE2E0F0@mike>
	<BAY126-DS641AB321AA05720311F61D8D60@phx.gbl>
	<4C0E76BA.3030206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1913809D40FD4196AE99681581F30AD7@mike>

Hi All

As Greg mentions, there are ways to go racing quickly and inexpensively, IF 
that is what you want. There is an organization called National auot Sport 
Association (NASA) this is similar to SCCA, but much less expensive and far 
fewer and looser rules that gets you racing in a day. After a $50 membership 
fee, and some initial info, you can attend race weekends at Thunder Hill and 
actually go racing. You must pass a tech inspection, roughly $100, a call to 
NASA, based in Richmond, CA. take a group I beginners race with an 
instructor in the car, who will instruct you on the basics of finding the 
racing line, cornering, etc., everything you need to know to race as fast as 
you are comfortable, cost is about $150 for the weeknd, and then if you pass 
you can move up to group II or III, and actually go racing. They will keep 
you in the appropriate group for your skill and ability, and if you don't 
pass, you can take the group I race again until you do pass. Take some 
tools, a helmet, and some other essentials, stay at a motel nearby, and you 
can race all weekend. They hold these race sessions several times a year. 
But as Greg mentioned, you will go through tire and brakes more quickly, but 
heh, how much fun can you have. All you need is a drivers license, a helmet, 
and the car that you own. That could be a fun weekend for the group.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?


> Hi All,
>
> Moving onto the discussion of ways to safely drive your car too fast, 
> there have been a few good comments about the high cost of real racing, 
> and the alternatives that still get you out on the track.
>
> 1) Hooked on Driving. Well-organized, reputation for excellent 
> instructors, driving is at 7/10, helmet required, car needs to be tech'd, 
> but nothing extreme. Costs money, but participants say they learn a LOT 
> about how to handle their car, how to pick the right lines through a turn, 
> etc.
> 2) Autocrossing (Solo II). We have a local club, Empire Sports Car 
> Association, that puts on monthly autocrosses at the Santa Rosa Airport 
> each month during dry seasons. Inexpensive, bring your street car with or 
> without mods (must be safety tech'd, and must wear helmet). I say 
> inexpensive, but tires are going to last 1-2 seasons depending on your 
> skill and car speed, and you'll probably want track tires on second set of 
> rims if you get serious about the sport. Really serious autocrossers build 
> or buy a car just for the sport, but the best thing is you can drive 
> whatever you have, and have a blast!
> 3) Local club track days. Varies by club, but sometimes not quite as 
> organized and polished as HOD, and most clubs only have track days 1-4x 
> each year. Experienced club members serve as instructors for first-timers, 
> and there is usually some form of class and/or initial training. GGLC 
> hosts autocrosses and track days, for example.
> 4) Hooking up with another car club to share track time and costs. Porsche 
> club, among others, often shares track time with other clubs. Can make for 
> a long day, but can be a good alternative.
> 5) Open track days at tracks such as Infineon. This is when they open the 
> track, usually for those with racing licenses, for purposes of testing and 
> practice.
> 6) Take competition or defensive driving courses at a track. Expensive, 
> but intensive and you'll walk away (drive away) a better driver.
>
> If you haven't had competition or performance driving training, you'll be 
> surprised how much you can learn, particularly with HOD or other organized 
> event. Excellent street drivers can still learn some useful things on a 
> track with an instructor. All in all, any form of performance driving ends 
> up costing you more money than driving your car on the street, 
> particularly since your insurance won't apply if you stuff your car into a 
> wall or break something on the track, and you will wear out tires and 
> brakes faster. But most become better drivers on the street, and hey, one 
> must have hobbies, right?
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
> 1974 Triumph TR6
> ex-1 season SCCA/SCCSCC racer, youthful Mulholland Drive fool, ESCA member 
> (lapsed - no time lately)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 9:04 AM, Tim Thresh wrote:
>>
>> Definiely we should do this again. Perhaps for IRL in August, but more 
>> likely for the SCCA meet in October (both at Infineon).  Serious racing 
>> is both expensive and requires commitments. One has to take several 
>> classes for a race license. However there may be other opportunities for 
>> track days without a license? I know that car clubs often do this.
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc 

From wbain at sonic.net  Tue Jun  8 13:12:32 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:12:32 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Thank you
In-Reply-To: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>
References: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>
Message-ID: <DC4B1345-6EC0-4EED-8753-39C07AA8AFF7@sonic.net>

I agree, this is sounding GOOD!

Wendell
59 Morgan +4

On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Mike Gianandrea wrote:

> Heh Everybody,
>
> Check this out, already cooking up a good one.  IF YOU DID NOT  
> ATTEND SUNDAY,
> you missed out on great outing for our club, if you were there, I  
> believe you
> all enjoyed it. I sent Mike D'Addario an email this morning, his  
> response is
> below. THIS COULD BE GOOD!
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D'addario
> To: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Glad everyone had a good time, yes it was a cluster Sunday, already  
> know how
> to fix it..Let's talk about IRL after NASCAR, I have a few things  
> in mind,
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com [mailto:sales at mvgmoldedproducts.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:54 AM
> To: Michael D'addario
> Subject: Thank you
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> Despite the confusion on the lap time, everyone in our club had a  
> good time
> Sunday. All have emailed thank you's to You, Tim and myself, all  
> enjoyed the
> laps, and all seem to want to have more get togethers like Sunday.  
> In fact, I
> think we could get more members out in the future, and we have  
> already started
> thinking about when and where. I suggested Thunder Hill, and other  
> events at
> Infineon, soooooo what could you do for us at the IRL event? Any  
> chance at a
> corral on a paved surface, or at least shuttle service to where we  
> might be,
> pit passes, etc, EVERYTHING  we can get? If we get started now, I  
> can probably
> get a bunch of people there, and have them more organized, maybe  
> get seats
> together as group, whatever we can give them. Let me know what we  
> can do. I
>
>
>
> I am really pleased at the reception of our group, and the turn  
> out, I never
> thought we would have 30 cars, and everyone really enjoyed the day.  
> Again,
> thank you very much for all your help.
>
>
>
> MVG
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 14:07:17 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Gregory Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:07:17 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Thank you
In-Reply-To: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>
References: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcghVmDmQ1cRDym760gvUbCJ5g5yjUeJzMf52f@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,
Thanks for bringing these things up with Mike D. Having the corral on
pavement, closer to the paddock, and having a shuttle would be great - not
sure I like off-roading in the Lotus, and making the walk 4 times was
unexpected.
I've attended various CSRG and WCC races with the Alfa club, and we've
always had the corral in the parking lot outside the paddock - convenient
and no dust and rocks, which is kind of preferable for these old cars, I'd
say.
Having said that, this event is the first time a large number of our members
have gotten together since the visit to Tom Price's collection a few years
back, so again - well done Tim and Mike! I wish I had a chance to meet some
of the new members who showed up, but I was making one of my 4 trips back
and forth...
If we're voting for other events for NOBBC participation, I vote NO for
NASCAR, and YES for IRL and/or the October CSRG races.
What about the kart racing up the hill? GGLC puts on indoor kart racing
events a couple times a year - any interest among NOBBC?
Cheers,
Greg

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Tue Jun  8 15:51:36 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Thank you
References: <CF122EF60C3D4FBBAD2E2107A1A9A165@mike>
	<AANLkTimcghVmDmQ1cRDym760gvUbCJ5g5yjUeJzMf52f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDD7F87985AB48019DA7659FFA0C0575@mike>

HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

MVG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Thank you


> Mike,
> Thanks for bringing these things up with Mike D. Having the corral on
> pavement, closer to the paddock, and having a shuttle would be great - not
> sure I like off-roading in the Lotus, and making the walk 4 times was
> unexpected.
> I've attended various CSRG and WCC races with the Alfa club, and we've
> always had the corral in the parking lot outside the paddock - convenient
> and no dust and rocks, which is kind of preferable for these old cars, I'd
> say.
> Having said that, this event is the first time a large number of our 
> members
> have gotten together since the visit to Tom Price's collection a few years
> back, so again - well done Tim and Mike! I wish I had a chance to meet 
> some
> of the new members who showed up, but I was making one of my 4 trips back
> and forth...
> If we're voting for other events for NOBBC participation, I vote NO for
> NASCAR, and YES for IRL and/or the October CSRG races.
> What about the kart racing up the hill? GGLC puts on indoor kart racing
> events a couple times a year - any interest among NOBBC?
> Cheers,
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc 

From paul at themussons.com  Tue Jun  8 18:05:10 2010
From: paul at themussons.com (paul at themussons.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:05:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Advice
Message-ID: <28682353.37972.1276041910412.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>

Hello. I'm a new member. We are spending about 5 months a year in Santa Rosa (the rest of the year we are in Colorado).

I have just shipped my 1960 MGA here permanently and we're enjoying it a lot.

I wondered if anyone can recommend a good repair shop. The car's in good shape but I might need a couple of small iems done.

Thanks

Paul Musson

From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 19:24:11 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Advice
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Paul,
Welcome.  I have a 1957/8 MGA which I got running this winter and I  
recently had the front suspension rebuilt as I needed to replace my  
front dampers, one of which was leaking.

Michael Veys in Novato did a really excellent job.  I delivered him  
the king pin and links with drum attached.  He stripped, pressed in  
all the bushings, repainted and delivered it back looking as if it  
just came from Abingdon in 1958. All I had to do was fit the rebuilt  
dampers and put it all back on the car.  He charged me $365 (4 hrs)  
and I supplied the parts.

I has made an astonishing difference to the handling of the car.

Michael Veys 415-847-8870 Novato.
A Brit working almost exclusively on early British cars. Very  
responsive and a craftsman.

Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:05 PM, paul at themussons.com wrote:

> Hello. I'm a new member. We are spending about 5 months a year in  
> Santa Rosa (the rest of the year we are in Colorado).
>
> I have just shipped my 1960 MGA here permanently and we're enjoying  
> it a lot.
>
> I wondered if anyone can recommend a good repair shop. The car's in  
> good shape but I might need a couple of small iems done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Musson
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 19:29:27 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Advice
In-Reply-To: <28682353.37972.1276041910412.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
References: <28682353.37972.1276041910412.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
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Paul,

I found Michael Veys via Doug Jackson of British Automotive.  See below.


> Mark,
>
> This is Doug Jackson from British Automotive.
>
> I have a mechanic colleague that would be interested in handling  
> your problem.
>
> However, you would have to source the MGB timing cover and matching  
> 5.5"crank pulley,
> not the larger diameter pulleys that are fitted to the later MGBs.  
> It is important that the
> timing marks on the timing cover and pulley match up.
>
> I would recommend while doing this operation that the timing chain  
> tensioner, timing chain and
> oil pan gasket be changed at the same time.
>
> You could contact Michael Veys at 415 847 8870 to schedule you  
> work. I have already spoken to him
> about your problem.
>
> I would estimate the time to do the recommended work to be a  
> minimum of 4 hours.
>
> Regards Doug.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:05 PM, paul at themussons.com wrote:

> Hello. I'm a new member. We are spending about 5 months a year in  
> Santa Rosa (the rest of the year we are in Colorado).
>
> I have just shipped my 1960 MGA here permanently and we're enjoying  
> it a lot.
>
> I wondered if anyone can recommend a good repair shop. The car's in  
> good shape but I might need a couple of small iems done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Musson
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  8 20:00:19 2010
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?
In-Reply-To: <1913809D40FD4196AE99681581F30AD7@mike>
Message-ID: <222709.37701.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Seems to me those looking for justification need only look at the price of
greens fees and the price of a good set of golf
clubs......................unless of coarse you are already obsessed with
chasing those little white balls.

W

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Mike Gianandrea <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:55 AM

Hi All

As Greg mentions, there are ways to go racing quickly and inexpensively, IF
that is what you want. There is an organization called National auot Sport
Association (NASA) this is similar to SCCA, but much less expensive and far
fewer and looser rules that gets you racing in a day. After a $50 membership
fee, and some initial info, you can attend race weekends at Thunder Hill and
actually go racing. You must pass a tech inspection, roughly $100, a call to
NASA, based in Richmond, CA. take a group I beginners race with an instructor
in the car, who will instruct you on the basics of finding the racing line,
cornering, etc., everything you need to know to race as fast as you are
comfortable, cost is about $150 for the weeknd, and then if you pass you can
move up to group II or III, and actually go racing. They will keep you in the
appropriate group for your skill and ability, and if you don't pass, you can
take the group I race again until you do pass. Take
 some tools, a helmet, and some other essentials, stay at a motel nearby, and
you can race all weekend. They hold these race sessions several times a year.
But as Greg mentioned, you will go through tire and brakes more quickly, but
heh, how much fun can you have. All you need is a drivers license, a helmet,
and the car that you own. That could be a fun weekend for the group.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Tatarian" <gtwincams at gmail.com>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] Racing vs. track days vs. ?


> Hi All,
>
> Moving onto the discussion of ways to safely drive your car too fast, there
have been a few good comments about the high cost of real racing, and the
alternatives that still get you out on the track.
>
> 1) Hooked on Driving. Well-organized, reputation for excellent instructors,
driving is at 7/10, helmet required, car needs to be tech'd, but nothing
extreme. Costs money, but participants say they learn a LOT about how to
handle their car, how to pick the right lines through a turn, etc.
> 2) Autocrossing (Solo II). We have a local club, Empire Sports Car
Association, that puts on monthly autocrosses at the Santa Rosa Airport each
month during dry seasons. Inexpensive, bring your street car with or without
mods (must be safety tech'd, and must wear helmet). I say inexpensive, but
tires are going to last 1-2 seasons depending on your skill and car speed, and
you'll probably want track tires on second set of rims if you get serious
about the sport. Really serious autocrossers build or buy a car just for the
sport, but the best thing is you can drive whatever you have, and have a
blast!
> 3) Local club track days. Varies by club, but sometimes not quite as
organized and polished as HOD, and most clubs only have track days 1-4x each
year. Experienced club members serve as instructors for first-timers, and
there is usually some form of class and/or initial training. GGLC hosts
autocrosses and track days, for example.
> 4) Hooking up with another car club to share track time and costs. Porsche
club, among others, often shares track time with other clubs. Can make for a
long day, but can be a good alternative.
> 5) Open track days at tracks such as Infineon. This is when they open the
track, usually for those with racing licenses, for purposes of testing and
practice.
> 6) Take competition or defensive driving courses at a track. Expensive, but
intensive and you'll walk away (drive away) a better driver.
>
> If you haven't had competition or performance driving training, you'll be
surprised how much you can learn, particularly with HOD or other organized
event. Excellent street drivers can still learn some useful things on a track
with an instructor. All in all, any form of performance driving ends up
costing you more money than driving your car on the street, particularly since
your insurance won't apply if you stuff your car into a wall or break
something on the track, and you will wear out tires and brakes faster. But
most become better drivers on the street, and hey, one must have hobbies,
right?
>
> Cheers,
> Greg Tatarian
> 1971 Lotus Elan S4
> 1974 Triumph TR6
> ex-1 season SCCA/SCCSCC racer, youthful Mulholland Drive fool, ESCA member
(lapsed - no time lately)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 9:04 AM, Tim Thresh wrote:
>>
>> Definiely we should do this again. Perhaps for IRL in August, but more
likely for the SCCA meet in October (both at Infineon).  Serious racing is
both expensive and requires commitments. One has to take several classes for a
race license. However there may be other opportunities for track days without
a license? I know that car clubs often do this.
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From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  9 10:34:23 2010
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:34:23 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Advice
In-Reply-To: <22B183F4-86D5-4D91-B859-7F6B59E8EDFB@mac.com>
References: <28682353.37972.1276041910412.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
	<22B183F4-86D5-4D91-B859-7F6B59E8EDFB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9F317C1FF1AE48B6B6B10DB3C72C10FE@MARLA>

Paul, first of all welcome to the NoBBC and I look forward to meeting you on
a ride soon.  I don't know Michael Veys but I know Doug Jackson very well.
Doug specialized in repairing MGs for many decades before he retired a
couple of years ago.  If you go to Doug's website at www.mgbmga.com you'll
see what I mean, there isn't anything that he doesn't know about MGAs and
Bs.  So if Doug recommended Michael I would trust him.

Andy Preston

1960 MGA Coupe
1967 MGB Roadster
1974 MGB GT

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Darley
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:29 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Advice

Paul,

I found Michael Veys via Doug Jackson of British Automotive.  See below.


> Mark,
>
> This is Doug Jackson from British Automotive.
>
> I have a mechanic colleague that would be interested in handling  
> your problem.
>
> However, you would have to source the MGB timing cover and matching  
> 5.5"crank pulley,
> not the larger diameter pulleys that are fitted to the later MGBs.  
> It is important that the
> timing marks on the timing cover and pulley match up.
>
> I would recommend while doing this operation that the timing chain  
> tensioner, timing chain and
> oil pan gasket be changed at the same time.
>
> You could contact Michael Veys at 415 847 8870 to schedule you  
> work. I have already spoken to him
> about your problem.
>
> I would estimate the time to do the recommended work to be a  
> minimum of 4 hours.
>
> Regards Doug.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:05 PM, paul at themussons.com wrote:

> Hello. I'm a new member. We are spending about 5 months a year in  
> Santa Rosa (the rest of the year we are in Colorado).
>
> I have just shipped my 1960 MGA here permanently and we're enjoying  
> it a lot.
>
> I wondered if anyone can recommend a good repair shop. The car's in  
> good shape but I might need a couple of small iems done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Musson
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
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Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 10 08:32:59 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
Message-ID: <430D8F16327D4D7DB5B779A590AA6A21@mike>

Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.

Michael
64 TR4

----- Original Message -----
From: alan boring
To: Michael Gianandrea
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: FW: Cadillac in China


      Can your car club do this ??

      A

      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net> wrote:


        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
<jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>, "Hal St Clair"
<Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM






        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China







        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.


        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw

From paul at themussons.com  Thu Jun 10 08:35:20 2010
From: paul at themussons.com (paul at themussons.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Advice
In-Reply-To: <9F317C1FF1AE48B6B6B10DB3C72C10FE@MARLA>
Message-ID: <22477577.52791.1276180520660.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>

Thanks for the advice, chaps. I visited Doug's website. the tech bulletins are pretty impressive.

Look forward to meeting you all

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "andy preston" <andypreston at sbcglobal.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:34:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Advice

Paul, first of all welcome to the NoBBC and I look forward to meeting
you on
a ride soon. I don't know Michael Veys but I know Doug Jackson very
well. Doug specialized in repairing MGs for many decades before he
retired a
couple of years ago. If you go to Doug's website at www.mgbmga.com
you'll see what I mean, there isn't anything that he doesn't know about
MGAs and
Bs. So if Doug recommended Michael I would trust him.

Andy Preston

1960 MGA Coupe
1967 MGB Roadster
1974 MGB GT

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Mark Darley
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:29 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Advice

Paul,

I found Michael Veys via Doug Jackson of British Automotive. See below.


> Mark,
>
> This is Doug Jackson from British Automotive.
>
> I have a mechanic colleague that would be interested in handling
> your problem.
>
> However, you would have to source the MGB timing cover and matching
> 5.5"crank pulley,
> not the larger diameter pulleys that are fitted to the later MGBs.
> It is important that the
> timing marks on the timing cover and pulley match up.
>
> I would recommend while doing this operation that the timing chain
> tensioner, timing chain and
> oil pan gasket be changed at the same time.
>
> You could contact Michael Veys at 415 847 8870 to schedule you
> work. I have already spoken to him
> about your problem.
>
> I would estimate the time to do the recommended work to be a
> minimum of 4 hours.
>
> Regards Doug.

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:05 PM, paul at themussons.com wrote:

> Hello. I'm a new member. We are spending about 5 months a year in
> Santa Rosa (the rest of the year we are in Colorado).
>
> I have just shipped my 1960 MGA here permanently and we're enjoying
> it a lot.
>
> I wondered if anyone can recommend a good repair shop. The car's in
> good shape but I might need a couple of small iems done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Musson
> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Wed Jun 16 18:44:44 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <430D8F16327D4D7DB5B779A590AA6A21@mike>
References: <430D8F16327D4D7DB5B779A590AA6A21@mike>
Message-ID: <7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>

I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
Clif and Deb

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alan boring
> To: Michael Gianandrea
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>
>
>      Can your car club do this ??
>
>      A
>
>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>, "Hal St 
> Clair"
> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>
>
>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Wed Jun 16 19:46:48 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:46:48 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
References: <430D8F16327D4D7DB5B779A590AA6A21@mike>
	<7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <4C197E88.7030209@sonic.net>

Nope. Check your spam filter, maybe they are getting trapped.

Ron
58 MGA

Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
> I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
> Clif and Deb
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
> 
>> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: alan boring
>> To: Michael Gianandrea
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
>> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>      Can your car club do this ??
>>
>>      A
>>
>>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
>> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>, "Hal St 
>> Clair"
>> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
>> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>>
>>
>>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> 
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Wed Jun 16 19:52:16 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:52:16 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car show this
Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on Sunday in
Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.


Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed Jun 16 17:44:44 2010
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
Clif and Deb

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>
> Michael
> 64 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alan boring
> To: Michael Gianandrea
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>
>
>      Can your car club do this ??
>
>      A
>
>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>, "Hal St
> Clair"
> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>
>
>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
> _______________________________________________
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Wed Jun 16 23:02:04 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <4C197E88.7030209@sonic.net>
References: <430D8F16327D4D7DB5B779A590AA6A21@mike><7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
	<4C197E88.7030209@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E0600486A73049FEADDC75EDF6C2F57B@williamsonPC>

Got this one,  must be ok....but very quiet.

Father's Day 16th Annual "Show & Shine" Car Show. Sunday, June 20, 2010. 
Juilliard Park, Santa Rosa, CA 9 am - 4 pm. Free Spectator Admission ...
This was a great show last year, lot's of shade and grass, I mean lawn.
Think I saw a little green Lotus there last year as well.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:46 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

> Nope. Check your spam filter, maybe they are getting trapped.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:
>> I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
>> Clif and Deb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
>> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>>> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: alan boring
>>> To: Michael Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
>>> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>>
>>>
>>>      Can your car club do this ??
>>>
>>>      A
>>>
>>>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
>>> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>, "Hal St 
>>> Clair"
>>> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
>>> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>>>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>>>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>>>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>>>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>>>
>>>
>>>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
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From don at napanet.net  Thu Jun 17 00:33:12 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:33:12 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
References: <7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <20100617071726.72F4124BA5C@mail.napanet.net>

I've been to both of those car shows.  They are both great.  The 
setting is what really enhances each show.  I stumbled on the Tiburon 
show when we were going on a Father's Day picnic to Angel 
Island.  The cars are all in a row along the waterside.  It's 
absolutely beautiful.  The cars are mostly upper-end US and European 
classics.  The Yountville show is close to home, and the variety of 
cars is what makes it so appealing.  Usually Martin Vreem has a 
couple of his great MG restorations on display.  Cars range from hot 
rods, to classics, to old Model As to European sports cars.  The one 
advantage the Yountville show has is that you can park your car 
without grief.

At 06:52 PM 06/16/2010, Frank Morris wrote:
>Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car show this
>Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on Sunday in
>Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>
>
>Frank

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 02:31:19 2010
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
In-Reply-To: <20100617071726.72F4124BA5C@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <517923.92741.qm@web113517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sarto here, I was invited to show my Lotus at the Tiburon event on Saturday.
 I'll be there and it is too bad that Sunday has two shows, one at Yountville
and the other at Juilliard Park in Santa Rosa.  On Sunday I may be at the
Santa Rosa show again.A great weekend,Sarto

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

From: don <don at napanet.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:33 PM

I've been to both of those car shows.  They are both great.  The setting is
what really enhances each show.  I stumbled on the Tiburon show when we were
going on a Father's Day picnic to Angel Island.  The cars are all in a row
along the waterside.  It's absolutely beautiful.  The cars are mostly
upper-end US and European classics.  The Yountville show is close to home, and
the variety of cars is what makes it so appealing.  Usually Martin Vreem has a
couple of his great MG restorations on display.  Cars range from hot rods, to
classics, to old Model As to European sports cars.  The one advantage the
Yountville show has is that you can park your car without grief.

At 06:52 PM 06/16/2010, Frank Morris wrote:
> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car show
this
> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on Sunday
in
> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>
>
> Frank
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From drmartyrayman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 07:19:49 2010
From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Sinai Rayman)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:19:49 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
In-Reply-To: <20100617071726.72F4124BA5C@mail.napanet.net>
References: <7BD4D6FC6E554AD4B341644B2B4D94AA@williamsonPC>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<20100617071726.72F4124BA5C@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil1vOzjb0StBQh3yEVLwIECeCO6V0jdM5qWxpts@mail.gmail.com>

And, July 10th is the Marin Yacht Club Car & Boat Show in San Rafael out on
San Pedro Road..  I'll be showing my '53 MG TD.  Marty

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:33 PM, don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> I've been to both of those car shows.  They are both great.  The setting is
> what really enhances each show.  I stumbled on the Tiburon show when we were
> going on a Father's Day picnic to Angel Island.  The cars are all in a row
> along the waterside.  It's absolutely beautiful.  The cars are mostly
> upper-end US and European classics.  The Yountville show is close to home,
> and the variety of cars is what makes it so appealing.  Usually Martin Vreem
> has a couple of his great MG restorations on display.  Cars range from hot
> rods, to classics, to old Model As to European sports cars.  The one
> advantage the Yountville show has is that you can park your car without
> grief.
>
> At 06:52 PM 06/16/2010, Frank Morris wrote:
>
>> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car show
>> this
>> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on Sunday
>> in
>> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
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From davedalton22 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 09:01:27 2010
From: davedalton22 at gmail.com (Dave Dalton)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:01:27 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Anyone have a car transporter trailer for loan or rent?
Message-ID: <28AB7AAC-72E8-426C-89D4-2167A2D01F85@gmail.com>

My Mini is going to Thunderhill this weekend for some track time with Hooked
on Driving.  I can flat tow it but would prefer to trailer if a suitable
trailer could be found.  Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 17 10:51:50 2010
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:51:50 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
In-Reply-To: <517923.92741.qm@web113517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <20100617071726.72F4124BA5C@mail.napanet.net>
	<517923.92741.qm@web113517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61F6CAC4366842929B4E1844DAECD4D6@MARLA>

Sarto, I would be joining you at the Tiburon show but will be at Pebble
Beach on both days for the US Open.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:31 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day

Sarto here, I was invited to show my Lotus at the Tiburon event on Saturday.
 I'll be there and it is too bad that Sunday has two shows, one at
Yountville
and the other at Juilliard Park in Santa Rosa.  On Sunday I may be at the
Santa Rosa show again.A great weekend,Sarto

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

From: don <don at napanet.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Local car shows on Father's Day
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:33 PM

I've been to both of those car shows.  They are both great.  The setting is
what really enhances each show.  I stumbled on the Tiburon show when we were
going on a Father's Day picnic to Angel Island.  The cars are all in a row
along the waterside.  It's absolutely beautiful.  The cars are mostly
upper-end US and European classics.  The Yountville show is close to home,
and
the variety of cars is what makes it so appealing.  Usually Martin Vreem has
a
couple of his great MG restorations on display.  Cars range from hot rods,
to
classics, to old Model As to European sports cars.  The one advantage the
Yountville show has is that you can park your car without grief.

At 06:52 PM 06/16/2010, Frank Morris wrote:
> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car show
this
> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on Sunday
in
> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>
>
> Frank
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jun 17 12:58:58 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
Message-ID: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>

June is a busy month, so I thought an early reminder of our next ride 
would be helpful. Saturday after next, 6/26, is our next scheduled ride. 
If anyone has a destination for us and would like to lead a ride, step 
up. Otherwise, we will meet at Bad Ass at 10AM and the group present 
will decide. Bring a sandwich, gas, sunblock, etc.

Ron
58 MGA

From wbain at sonic.net  Fri Jun 18 16:13:07 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:13:07 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <A03817DC-CB69-46E8-8F1B-4037246DEF1C@sonic.net>

The Tiburon show is very good. I was in it a couple of years ago
and it attracts some very interesting cars. Worth the drive.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car  
> show this
> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on  
> Sunday in
> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed Jun 16 17:44:44 2010
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>
> I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
> Clif and Deb
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>
>> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: alan boring
>> To: Michael Gianandrea
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
>> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>      Can your car club do this ??
>>
>>      A
>>
>>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
>> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>,  
>> "Hal St
>> Clair"
>> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
>> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>>
>>
>>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>> _______________________________________________
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From morrisf at SIDWater.org  Fri Jun 18 17:41:51 2010
From: morrisf at SIDWater.org (Frank Morris)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <A03817DC-CB69-46E8-8F1B-4037246DEF1C@sonic.net>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
	<A03817DC-CB69-46E8-8F1B-4037246DEF1C@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA21@echo01.SID.LOCAL>

My second thoughts have been flavored by the fact that I have to cross
Highway 37 and fight all the NASCAR traffic.  Not convinced I want to
make the trip.  I guess I could go through Napa and via Petaluma and
down.

I think I saw your picture in the 2008 photos on their webpage, Wendell.

Frank Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wendell bain
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:13 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

The Tiburon show is very good. I was in it a couple of years ago
and it attracts some very interesting cars. Worth the drive.

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Frank Morris wrote:

> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car
> show this
> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on
> Sunday in
> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed Jun 16 17:44:44 2010
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>
> I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
> Clif and Deb
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>
>> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: alan boring
>> To: Michael Gianandrea
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
>> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>      Can your car club do this ??
>>
>>      A
>>
>>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
>> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>,
>> "Hal St
>> Clair"
>> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
>> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>>
>>
>>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
>> _______________________________________________
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From hawkview at sonic.net  Sat Jun 19 19:42:14 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:42:14 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
In-Reply-To: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA21@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
References: <188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA00@echo01.SID.LOCAL><A03817DC-CB69-46E8-8F1B-4037246DEF1C@sonic.net>
	<188DC8EEED893B47A9E26E00520E06E10171AA21@echo01.SID.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <4CD063F7CBBA4BA580D493CE1FFE99B0@williamsonPC>

There is always the back way.
Take Mark West Springs Rd to Calistoga, and south toward Napa.  Pretty drive 
as well.
Clif and Deborah

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Morris" <morrisf at SIDWater.org>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:41 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China

> My second thoughts have been flavored by the fact that I have to cross
> Highway 37 and fight all the NASCAR traffic.  Not convinced I want to
> make the trip.  I guess I could go through Napa and via Petaluma and
> down.
>
> I think I saw your picture in the 2008 photos on their webpage, Wendell.
>
> Frank Morris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of wendell bain
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:13 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>
> The Tiburon show is very good. I was in it a couple of years ago
> and it attracts some very interesting cars. Worth the drive.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wendell
>
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Frank Morris wrote:
>
>> Things have been uncharacteristically quiet! I just heard of a car
>> show this
>> Saturday in Tiburon with Jags as the featured marquee. Also one on
>> Sunday in
>> Yountville. I think I'll drive in to see the Tiburon show.
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net <nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net>
>> To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wed Jun 16 17:44:44 2010
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>> I haven't received a NOBBC email since this one.  Is the system down?
>> Clif and Deb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Gianandrea" <mvg1 at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:32 AM
>> To: "nobbc" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Nobbc] Fw: Cadillac in China
>>
>>> Is our club missing the boat? (LOL) enjoy.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> 64 TR4
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: alan boring
>>> To: Michael Gianandrea
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:52 PM
>>> Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>>
>>>
>>>      Can your car club do this ??
>>>
>>>      A
>>>
>>>      --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>        From: Robert H. Belter <rhbelter at comcast.net>
>>>        Subject: FW: Cadillac in China
>>>        To: "alan boring" <mgcwrnch at yahoo.com>, "D&J Schweikert"
>>> <jdschweik at msn.com>, "Gary Nakamura" <gknakamura at comcast.net>,
>>> "Hal St
>>> Clair"
>>> <Eaglefab1 at aol.com>, "Jim Peterson" <repete2mail-jim at yahoo.com>, "Lou
>>> Vasselli" <lvasselli at comcast.net>
>>>        Cc: "Jim Foster" <foster at mbay.net>
>>>        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        From: Jim Foster [mailto:foster at mbay.net]
>>>        Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:26 PM
>>>        To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>        Subject: Fw: Cadillac in China
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        China shows the world what can be done with their Cadillacs.
>>>
>>>
>>>        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SbuDRA4zNbw
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From riprock99 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 12:00:28 2010
From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
In-Reply-To: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC>

Hi Ron,  I'm passing on this e-mail to the club as well as having 
recommended the person contact the club.  Great old MG to add to the parade!

Scott

Hi Scott!  The car you refurbished.  Is it an MG?  I believe it is.  My 
friend is refurbishing an MG .  (see e-mail below)   He had a mechanical 
question, and I thought you could help him.  It's a small world, he lives in 
Napa.  :-)    Just let me know, Thanks, sue


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Chris Gillespie" <cgillesp at sbcglobal.net>
To: suesimon2 at comcast.net
Cc: "Chris Gillespie" <cgillesp at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:16:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Your Car

The car is a 1936 MG TA. 3003 were built. The first 1500 had wider gas tanks 
and narrower rear fenders. Mine is S/N 543. Here's a web page about them:

http://www.billdavis.org/MGTA/


Chris









--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:58 AM
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride

> June is a busy month, so I thought an early reminder of our next ride 
> would be helpful. Saturday after next, 6/26, is our next scheduled ride. 
> If anyone has a destination for us and would like to lead a ride, step up. 
> Otherwise, we will meet at Bad Ass at 10AM and the group present will 
> decide. Bring a sandwich, gas, sunblock, etc.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> _______________________________________________
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From prsharpe01 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 20 16:40:58 2010
From: prsharpe01 at comcast.net (Preston Sharpe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:40:58 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>
	<62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC>
Message-ID: <CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>

anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks

From wbain at sonic.net  Sun Jun 20 18:47:22 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:47:22 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB
In-Reply-To: <CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>
	<62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC>
	<CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>
Message-ID: <8769B259-5924-4D9F-997E-DDD52BECE4E2@sonic.net>

Hi Preston,

Moss Motors lists them for all the MGB, MGC models.
Go to website below and check under MG, exterior and mirrors.

http://www.mossmotors.com/

Hope this helps,

Wendell Bain

On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Preston Sharpe wrote:

> anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From hawkview at sonic.net  Mon Jun 21 00:13:23 2010
From: hawkview at sonic.net (Clif & Deborah Williamson)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Tiger Town
In-Reply-To: <8769B259-5924-4D9F-997E-DDD52BECE4E2@sonic.net>
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net><62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC><CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>
	<8769B259-5924-4D9F-997E-DDD52BECE4E2@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <629CC7F4605D4BA19EF0C981EC6D51B6@williamsonPC>

So the Fathers Day show in Santa Rosa was more than expected.  Besides the 
tradition hot rod selection of Chevys, Fords and Pontiacs,  there was a 
huge selection of Sunbeam Tigers in various conditions, but most in great 
condition.  One of the cars was the Number 55 Tiger raced in the 1965 season 
finishing 2nd in B production.  These little bad boys were running against 
289 Cobras, and I was told by one individual that Carol Shelby said he did 
not understand why somebody would pay $8,000.00 for a Cobra when they could 
get a faster Tiger for half the price.  He also indicated that the Tiger was 
modified from the Alpine in the Jensen plant.  The modification included 
moving the firewall and wheel wells to fit the 260 or  289.
Deborah and I love this show, not just because of the great cars, but the 
venue, on the grass and under towering oaks is perfect for a show like this.
Does anybody know how to show a car at this event or any other?
Would like to hear some other reviews for the other shows this weekend.
Clif and Deborah
74 Jensen Healey
PS:  I also saw several of my favorite American cars, the 1958 Chevy Impala 
with 348 tri power.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:47 PM
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB

> Hi Preston,
>
> Moss Motors lists them for all the MGB, MGC models.
> Go to website below and check under MG, exterior and mirrors.
>
> http://www.mossmotors.com/
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Wendell Bain
>
> On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Preston Sharpe wrote:
>
>> anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
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> Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From desmo93 at att.net  Mon Jun 21 10:24:48 2010
From: desmo93 at att.net (marcus)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
Message-ID: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>

Hello,

I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the Petaluma/Santa
Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus

From craigw at sonic.net  Mon Jun 21 10:27:49 2010
From: craigw at sonic.net (craigw at sonic.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:27:49 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Tiger Town
Message-ID: <10919.1277137669@sonic.net>

 Great car show. I was very impressed with the collection of Tigers also.
A friend of mine had the AMC car club there, and he told me that this was a
National meet for the Tigers, and some came from as far as Canada! He told
me there were over 80 Tigers on display.

 Here is a link to the .pdf registration form for the event:

	*
	*
	* http://www.nceca.org/media/carshowreg10.pdf [1]

 Craig

 On Sun 20/06/10 23:13 , "Clif margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;
padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">So the Fathers Day show in Santa
Rosa was more than expected. Besides the
 tradition hot rod selection of Chevys, Fords and Pontiacs, there was a
 huge selection of Sunbeam Tigers in various conditions, but most in great

 condition. One of the cars was the Number 55 Tiger raced in the 1965
season
 finishing 2nd in B production. These little bad boys were running against

 289 Cobras, and I was told by one individual that Carol Shelby said he
did
 not understand why somebody would pay $8,000.00 for a Cobra when they
could
 get a faster Tiger for half the price. He also indicated that the Tiger
was
 modified from the Alpine in the Jensen plant. The modification included
 moving the firewall and wheel wells to fit the 260 or 289.
 Deborah and I love this show, not just because of the great cars, but the

 venue, on the grass and under towering oaks is perfect for a show like
this.
 Does anybody know how to show a car at this event or any other?
 Would like to hear some other reviews for the other shows this weekend.
 Clif and Deborah
 74 Jensen Healey
 PS: I also saw several of my favorite American cars, the 1958 Chevy
Impala
 with 348 tri power.

 --------------------------------------------------
 From: "wendell bain"
 Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:47 PM
 To: "North Bay British Car Club"
 Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB

 > Hi Preston,
 >
 > Moss Motors lists them for all the MGB, MGC models.
 > Go to website below and check under MG, exterior and mirrors.
 >
 > http://www.mossmotors.com/ [4]">http://www.mossmotors.com/
 >
 > Hope this helps,
 >
 > Wendell Bain
 >
 > On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Preston Sharpe wrote:
 >
 >> anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> Nobbc mailing list
 >> Nobbc at autox.team.net [5]
 >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
[6]">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
 > _______________________________________________
 > Nobbc mailing list
 > Nobbc at autox.team.net [7]
 > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
[8]">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
 _______________________________________________
 Nobbc mailing list
 Nobbc at autox.team.net [9]
 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
[10]">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc



Links:
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[2] mailto:wbain at sonic.net
[3] mailto:nobbc at autox.team.net
[4] http://www.mossmotors.com/
[5] mailto:Nobbc at autox.team.net
[6] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
[7] mailto:Nobbc at autox.team.net
[8] http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
[9] mailto:Nobbc at autox.team.net
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From MAEMLY at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 12:35:26 2010
From: MAEMLY at aol.com (MAEMLY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:35:26 EDT
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
Message-ID: <aa8e.442cf3ea.39510aee@aol.com>

Really cool site, lots of old time and current  info...........Mel
 
 
In a message dated 6/20/2010 12:26:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
riprock99 at comcast.net writes:

Hi  Ron,  I'm passing on this e-mail to the club as well as having  
recommended the person contact the club.  Great old MG to add to the  
parade!

Scott

Hi Scott!  The car you refurbished.  Is  it an MG?  I believe it is.  My 
friend is refurbishing an MG  .  (see e-mail below)   He had a mechanical 
question, and I  thought you could help him.  It's a small world, he lives 
in  
Napa.  :-)    Just let me know, Thanks,  sue


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Chris Gillespie"  <cgillesp at sbcglobal.net>
To: suesimon2 at comcast.net
Cc: "Chris  Gillespie" <cgillesp at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010  2:16:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Your Car

The  car is a 1936 MG TA. 3003 were built. The first 1500 had wider gas 
tanks  
and narrower rear fenders. Mine is S/N 543. Here's a web page about  them:

http://www.billdavis.org/MGTA/


Chris









--------------------------------------------------
From:  "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010  11:58 AM
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June  ride

> June is a busy month, so I thought an early reminder of our  next ride 
> would be helpful. Saturday after next, 6/26, is our next  scheduled ride. 
> If anyone has a destination for us and would like to  lead a ride, step 
up. 
> Otherwise, we will meet at Bad Ass at 10AM and  the group present will 
> decide. Bring a sandwich, gas, sunblock,  etc.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>  _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing  list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>  http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
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Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From home at drummondlaw.com  Mon Jun 21 13:04:35 2010
From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
References: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
Message-ID: <C5A08BC291454715B8155535C355A966@dandebbie>

I like BEM.  They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the repairs
myself.  

Dan
66 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the Petaluma/Santa
Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the
TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 13:07:54 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:07:54 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
References: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
Message-ID: <8E09088C502D465AACFB16CF09638749@mike>

Hi Marcus,

If you are in Petaluma, you can talk to John Troup at J&D Automotive (corner 
of Corona Rd & N Mcdowell Blvd) for tuning. John has been around for over 
forty years, was at one time the service writer for a british car dearler in 
San Rafael, when I was a teenager, buying parts for my sprites, he is 
excellent for british & foreign cars . Also, right next door to J&D is a 
small but highly recommended Muffler Shop. My mechanic uses them and 
recommends them to all of their customers.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marcus" <desmo93 at att.net>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning


> Hello,
>
> I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the 
> Petaluma/Santa
> Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has 
> other
> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the 
> TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc 

From wbain at sonic.net  Mon Jun 21 14:22:20 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:20 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Tiger Town
In-Reply-To: <629CC7F4605D4BA19EF0C981EC6D51B6@williamsonPC>
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net><62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC><CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>
	<8769B259-5924-4D9F-997E-DDD52BECE4E2@sonic.net>
	<629CC7F4605D4BA19EF0C981EC6D51B6@williamsonPC>
Message-ID: <FEFF7425-DA7E-492A-9885-868A429107C1@sonic.net>

Hi Nobbc,

I went to the Saturday Show in Tiburon. Great cars and a wide  
variety. Some hot rods,
vintage American Iron and European. The top car at the show was a  
1938 Delahaye
Roadster. Absolutely stunning. Also a Jaguar D-Type that was a  
factory racer in the
day. Reg. number OKV 3. Also a C-Type although that one was a replica.
Lots of Austin-Healeys, Triumphs, MG's, Alfa Romeo's, Porsche's. Two  
1930's Packard
roadsters. A Model T "Station Hack" that was interesting.
Worth the drive.

Wendell

On Jun 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Clif & Deborah Williamson wrote:

> So the Fathers Day show in Santa Rosa was more than expected.   
> Besides the tradition hot rod selection of Chevys, Fords and  
> Pontiacs,  there was a huge selection of Sunbeam Tigers in various  
> conditions, but most in great condition.  One of the cars was the  
> Number 55 Tiger raced in the 1965 season finishing 2nd in B  
> production.  These little bad boys were running against 289 Cobras,  
> and I was told by one individual that Carol Shelby said he did not  
> understand why somebody would pay $8,000.00 for a Cobra when they  
> could get a faster Tiger for half the price.  He also indicated  
> that the Tiger was modified from the Alpine in the Jensen plant.   
> The modification included moving the firewall and wheel wells to  
> fit the 260 or  289.
> Deborah and I love this show, not just because of the great cars,  
> but the venue, on the grass and under towering oaks is perfect for  
> a show like this.
> Does anybody know how to show a car at this event or any other?
> Would like to hear some other reviews for the other shows this  
> weekend.
> Clif and Deborah
> 74 Jensen Healey
> PS:  I also saw several of my favorite American cars, the 1958  
> Chevy Impala with 348 tri power.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "wendell bain" <wbain at sonic.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:47 PM
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB
>
>> Hi Preston,
>>
>> Moss Motors lists them for all the MGB, MGC models.
>> Go to website below and check under MG, exterior and mirrors.
>>
>> http://www.mossmotors.com/
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Wendell Bain
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Preston Sharpe wrote:
>>
>>> anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From wbain at sonic.net  Mon Jun 21 14:28:27 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:28:27 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
References: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
Message-ID: <A695C005-EC0F-4E0C-A1E8-AB9F39E9F880@sonic.net>

Hi Marcus,

For the exhaust part of your question, my personal experience with
Johnny Franklin's Muffler in Santa Rosa has been great.

Johnny Franklin's Mufflers Incorporated
1390 Santa Rosa Ave
Santa Rosa, CA 95404
(707) 546-7750

Wendell


On Jun 21, 2010, at 9:24 AM, marcus wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the  
> Petaluma/Santa
> Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone  
> has other
> recommendations or comments about British European, I would  
> appreciate it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system  
> on the TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
> _______________________________________________
> Nobbc mailing list
> Nobbc at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 14:42:46 2010
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <C5A08BC291454715B8155535C355A966@dandebbie>
Message-ID: <67771.69749.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan.  I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm still
holding +- 200 compression after 5 years.  I also needed some advice on the
cam cover paint he used.Sarto

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:

From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM

I like BEM.  They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the repairs
myself. 

Dan
66 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the Petaluma/Santa
Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the
TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
_______________________________________________
Nobbc mailing list
Nobbc at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
_______________________________________________
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc

From astroplaner at comcast.net  Mon Jun 21 15:09:26 2010
From: astroplaner at comcast.net (astroplaner at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
In-Reply-To: <1340663551.6306681277151474388.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1810937586.6331901277154566765.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello All,

B B  I am new to the club, and I am in search of some help. I have a 81 Rolls-
Silver Spirit that I am working on for Dawson Church. We are experiencing a
intermittentB  electrical motor stall. That will restart and continue on till
the next time. We are working with a BoschB fuel injection. Checked all the
basics, all looks good, 38,000 miles.Wondering if anyone has any ideas or
knows of anyone experienced with this vehicle, that might be willing to share
or shine some new light on helping us find a solution.. I can be reached at
707 478-7793 or here,B my name is Rick thank you



----- Original Message -----
From: MAEMLY at aol.com
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:35:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next June ride

Really cool site, lots of old time and current B info...........Mel
B 
B 
In a message dated 6/20/2010 12:26:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, B 
riprock99 at comcast.net writes:

Hi B Ron, B I'm passing on this e-mail to the club as well as having B 
recommended the person contact the club. B Great old MG to add to the B 
parade!

Scott

Hi Scott! B The car you refurbished. B Is B it an MG? B I believe it is. B My
friend is refurbishing an MG B . B (see e-mail below) B  He had a mechanical
question, and I B thought you could help him. B It's a small world, he lives
in B 
Napa. B :-) B  B Just let me know, Thanks, B sue


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To: suesimon2 at comcast.net
Cc: "Chris B Gillespie" <cgillesp at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 B 2:16:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Your Car

The B car is a 1936 MG TA. 3003 were built. The first 1500 had wider gas
tanks B 
and narrower rear fenders. Mine is S/N 543. Here's a web page about B them:

http://www.billdavis.org/MGTA/


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From: B "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 B 11:58 AM
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June B ride

> June is a busy month, so I thought an early reminder of our B next ride
> would be helpful. Saturday after next, 6/26, is our next B scheduled ride.
> If anyone has a destination for us and would like to B lead a ride, step
up.
> Otherwise, we will meet at Bad Ass at 10AM and B the group present will
> decide. Bring a sandwich, gas, sunblock, B etc.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:54:21 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:54:21 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Sunbeam Rapier and Alpine Factory Manual
Message-ID: <4C1FD17D.7000100@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,
I've got an almost pristine, original Rootes Group factory manual for 
the Sunbeam Rapier and Alpine. It was never used in a shop, in fact, 
hardly ever opened, but the back cover is slightly scuffed and someone 
wrote a price on the front cover in dark ink that barely shows. The 
diagrams are superb, even in comparison to some Bentley manuals, and the 
glossy pages are perfect with no yellowing.
I thought it would be nice to let members know about it first before it 
goes on eBay. Send me an OFF-LIST email for photos, price and more info 
if you are interested.
Cheers,
Greg Tatarian
1971 Lotus Elan S4 DHC
1974 Triumph TR6
1974 Alfa Romeo GTV2000

From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 21 20:01:11 2010
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:01:11 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
References: <D4CA323891994588A98B3C0AB8B09ABA@marcuse8622318>
Message-ID: <382F78A6433D4DE1BC003032A14F61DF@MARLA>

Marcus, I agree with Wendell on Johnny Franklin for any exhaust work.  They
are really good and will do anything for you at a very reasonable price.
They have fitted exhausts on all my cars.

BEM are very good and work mainly on British cars especially the older ones
like yours.  They know what they are doing but charge standard shop rates
for their work.  I've taken my modern jags to them and have always been
happy with the work but reel back when I see the bill.  They are not cheap.

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the Petaluma/Santa
Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the
TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
_______________________________________________
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:40:45 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:40:45 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Compression
In-Reply-To: <67771.69749.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <67771.69749.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C20E78D.9060609@gmail.com>

Sarto,
200 lbs compression is quite good, particularly for a high-revving old 
Twin cam. Usually see them around 185 lbs.
Are you painting your cam cover the original S3 color, or changing?
Greg Tatarian



On 6/21/2010 1:42 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan.  I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm still
> holding +- 200 compression after 5 years.  I also needed some advice on the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto

From DPaige at srcity.org  Tue Jun 22 11:45:55 2010
From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <67771.69749.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C5A08BC291454715B8155535C355A966@dandebbie>
	<67771.69749.qm@web113510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>

I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for over 20 years
now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed in a traffic
accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a 101
center guard rail by a Ford 250.

When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a cylinder
wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.

Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the two of us
we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've ever
owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to do only
routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly, professional and
a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay for and
his prices are within bounds.

Deano

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan.  I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm still
holding +- 200 compression after 5 years.  I also needed some advice on the
cam cover paint he used.Sarto

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:

From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM

I like BEM.  They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the repairs
myself.

Dan
66 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for  a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the Petaluma/Santa
Rosa area.  The only shop I know of is British European, if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on the
TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
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From sarto477 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 12:32:11 2010
From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Compression
In-Reply-To: <4C20E78D.9060609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <300514.28188.qm@web113512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Greg,  Mike Ostrov did the first compression test Oct. 1, 2005   Hot
throttle open.  We did not do a bleed down test then.  It had 25,400 miles on
it at that time.  Its now 34,700 miles.#1   195
#2   200#3   200#4   200A couple of months ago is when we did the bleed down
test and the compression it was just about the same.  The rebuild was suppose
to be stock, Mike thinks they may have shaved the head to get that high of
compression.
I though I would revert back to an original color and powder coat it, now that
it needs a touch up--- any excuse to spend more money--- The cam cover was a
teal blue but everyone says it should be a dark blue which is really a light
blue.   There are post on lotuselan.net on cam cover colors with photos of my
original and other cars.  Early on I did not really pay much attention to what
was original on engine colors.  I had Mark at BEM paint it silver just because
I liked the look.  Blue seems to me an odd color match for my BRG.  So silver
I still like and going artsy fartsy with yellow like the stripe and have Bob
Groat paint a BRG back ground around the raised letters leaving the letters
yellow.  There is a rectangle area around the letters that may have been part
of the mold for the lettering.  I have never seen one done that way and it
could look really hokey, so I have not jumped off the cliff yet.  Maybe all
yellow with polished silver
 letters.  I'm not a hard nose orientalist.  Go ahead, what do you really
think.I made it to the Tiburon show and the Juilliard park show in Santa Rosa,
perfect weather and lots of great cars.Sarto  

--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Greg Tatarian <gtwincams at gmail.com>
Subject: [Nobbc] Compression
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 9:40 AM

Sarto,
200 lbs compression is quite good, particularly for a high-revving old Twin
cam. Usually see them around 185 lbs.
Are you painting your cam cover the original S3 color, or changing?
Greg Tatarian



On 6/21/2010 1:42 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan.  I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
still
> holding +- 200 compression after 5 years.  I also needed some advice on the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
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From paul at themussons.com  Tue Jun 22 12:36:42 2010
From: paul at themussons.com (paul at themussons.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
Message-ID: <10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>

I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.

Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?

Paul Musson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for over 20
years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed in
a traffic
accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.

When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.

Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the two
of us
we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to do
only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
professional and
a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
for and
his prices are within bounds.

Deano

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
advice on the
cam cover paint he used.Sarto

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:

From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM

I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
repairs myself.

Dan
66 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
the TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
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From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jun 22 13:19:24 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
References: <10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
Message-ID: <B119BE1D-6E77-4314-A305-AA8C05AD90D5@mac.com>

Sorry I cannot join you for oysters and beer in Marshall this  
Saturday (I think that was the plan). I will be sailing on Tomales Bay.
If you see a bunch of small boats racing between Inverness and  
Marshall, you may see me out in front....hopefully!

Maybe in the Fall we could do a drive out to the Point Reyes  
Lighthouse, and I could host you all at the Inverness Yacht Club.

Cheers
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
Mobile Phone 415 310 5252



On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:36 AM, paul at themussons.com wrote:

> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>
> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>
> Paul Musson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  
> over 20
> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was  
> killed in
> a traffic
> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>
> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>
> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between  
> the two
> of us
> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had  
> to do
> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
> professional and
> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
> for and
> his prices are within bounds.
>
> Deano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him  
> on the
> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
> advice on the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>
> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
> repairs myself.
>
> Dan
> 66 MGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
> bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of marcus
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
> if anyone has other
> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
> it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
> the TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 13:25:59 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:25:59 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Compression
In-Reply-To: <300514.28188.qm@web113512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <300514.28188.qm@web113512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C210E47.6010509@gmail.com>

On 6/22/2010 11:32 AM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote:
> , Mike thinks they may have shaved the head to get that high of
> compression.
>    
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well.
> I though I would revert back to an original color and powder coat it, now that
> it needs a touch up--- any excuse to spend more money--- The cam cover was a
> teal blue but everyone says it should be a dark blue which is really a light
> blue.   There are post on lotuselan.net on cam cover colors with photos of my
> original and other cars.  Early on I did not really pay much attention to what
> was original on engine colors.  I had Mark at BEM paint it silver just because
> I liked the look.  Blue seems to me an odd color match for my BRG.  So silver
> I still like and going artsy fartsy with yellow like the stripe and have Bob
> Groat paint a BRG back ground around the raised letters leaving the letters
> yellow.  There is a rectangle area around the letters that may have been part
> of the mold for the lettering.  I have never seen one done that way and it
> could look really hokey, so I have not jumped off the cliff yet.  Maybe all
> yellow with polished silver
>   letters.  I'm not a hard nose orientalist.  Go ahead, what do you really
> think.
>    
Whatever blows your skirt up, I say. The correct colors for various 
years of cam covers are provided in Miles Wilkin's book, which you 
probably have. I did mine crinkle red - a little more aggressive than 
the factory paint, but pretty much correct for an S4.

Cheers,
Greg

From andypreston at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 22 20:02:06 2010
From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:02:06 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
In-Reply-To: <10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
	<10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
Message-ID: <FB4CF44A75D74C96905A2EA53C32FBA3@MARLA>

Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from Blackpool,
Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra mile
for you.  Save up your pennies.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.

Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?

Paul Musson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for over 20
years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed in
a traffic
accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.

When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.

Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the two
of us
we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to do
only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
professional and
a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
for and
his prices are within bounds.

Deano

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on the
engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
advice on the
cam cover paint he used.Sarto

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:

From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM

I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
repairs myself.

Dan
66 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of marcus
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning

Hello,

I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
if anyone has other
recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
it.

Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
the TR6
in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.

Thank you.

Marcus
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From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jun 22 21:57:07 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:57:07 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
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I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  
tires on my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good  
condition.

What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?

My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales Bay  
and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car corners.  I  
just had the car checked for alignment and he pushed the tire pressure  
up to 34 psi which feels hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24  
on the back (per MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one  
corner this evening.

Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)

Thanks
Mark

1957 1500cc MGA
Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:

> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from  
> Blackpool,
> Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra  
> mile
> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ] On
> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>
> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>
> Paul Musson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  
> over 20
> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed  
> in
> a traffic
> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>
> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>
> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the  
> two
> of us
> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to  
> do
> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
> professional and
> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
> for and
> his prices are within bounds.
>
> Deano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on  
> the
> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
> advice on the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>
> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
> repairs myself.
>
> Dan
> 66 MGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of marcus
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
> if anyone has other
> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
> it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
> the TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
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From badstubner at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 22:55:27 2010
From: badstubner at aol.com (badstubner at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:55:27 -0400
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
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For what it's worth, I have 175R15 Michelin X tires with tubes on my '53
MG-TD, installed in 1999, still like new given that I drive the car very
little. I've also experimented with pressures.  28psi front and rear seems to
give the best results. Anything above 30psi feels to hard. Sears bias-ply
tires were on the car when I bought in 1995 - 18psi.
1953 MG-TD
1958 Jaguar XK-150 fhc
Bill Badstubner
badstubner at aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Darley <markdarley at mac.com>
To: North Bay British Car Club <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure



I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15 tires on my
MGA. They came with the car and appear to be in good condition.

What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?

My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales Bay and
back. Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car corners. I just had the
car checked for alignment and he pushed the tire pressure up to 34 psi which
feels hard. I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24 on the back (per MGAGuru)
and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one corner this evening.

Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)

Thanks
Mark

1957 1500cc MGA
Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452


On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:

> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from >
Blackpool,
> Mark Singleton. He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra > mile
> for you. Save up your pennies.
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net> ]
On
> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>
> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>
> Paul Musson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for > over 20
> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed > in
> a traffic
> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>
> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>
> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the > two
> of us
> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to > do
> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
> professional and
> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
> for and
> his prices are within bounds.
>
> Deano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net> ]
> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on > the
> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
> advice on the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>
> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
> repairs myself.
>
> Dan
> 66 MGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net> ]
> On Behalf Of marcus
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
> if anyone has other
> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
> it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
> the TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Tue Jun 22 23:10:26 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
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I usually run 28 in the front, 30 in the back. 13 year old tires should 
probably be replaced...

Ron
58 MGA



Mark Darley wrote:

> I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  tires 
> on my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good  condition.
> 
> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?
> 
> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales Bay  
> and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car corners.  I  
> just had the car checked for alignment and he pushed the tire pressure  
> up to 34 psi which feels hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24  
> on the back (per MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one  
> corner this evening.
> 
> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> 
> 1957 1500cc MGA
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
> 
>> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from  
>> Blackpool,
>> Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra  
>> mile
>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ] On
>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>>
>> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>>
>> Paul Musson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  over 20
>> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed  in
>> a traffic
>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>
>> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>
>> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the  two
>> of us
>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to  do
>> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>> professional and
>> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
>> for and
>> his prices are within bounds.
>>
>> Deano
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on  the
>> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
>> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>> advice on the
>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>>
>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
>> repairs myself.
>>
>> Dan
>> 66 MGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of marcus
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
>> if anyone has other
>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
>> the TR6
>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Marcus
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From MAEMLY at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 00:06:18 2010
From: MAEMLY at aol.com (MAEMLY at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:06:18 EDT
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
Message-ID: <f65e8.7e188670.3952fe5a@aol.com>

Mark................Moss Motors just had an article you might be  
interested in reading in their last Add/Article rag about tires, new against old  and 
evaluations of same...................Mel
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:24:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
markdarley at mac.com writes:

I have  1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  
tires on  my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good   
condition.

What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with  comparable tires?

My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson  Beach to Tomales Bay  
and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like  the way the car corners.  I  
just had the car checked for  alignment and he pushed the tire pressure  
up to 34 psi which feels  hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24  
on the back (per  MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one  
corner this  evening.

Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go  slower)

Thanks
Mark

1957 1500cc MGA
Mark  Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 22, 2010,  at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:

> Correct BEM is British European  Motors run by a fellow Brit from  
> Blackpool,
> Mark  Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra   
> mile
> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>
>  Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ]  On
> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010  11:37 AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone  on Saturday.
>
> Is BEM British European Motors at  Cotati?
>
> Paul Musson
>
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
> To: "North  Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June  22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>
> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark  Singleton for  
> over 20
> years now. He took car of my  Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed  
> in
> a  traffic
> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed  under a
> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>
> When I  cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
> cylinder  wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>
> Mark's  been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the  
>  two
> of us
> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K  miles of any car I've
> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot.  Virtually we have had to  
> do
> only routine maintenance.  Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
> professional and
> a  really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
>  for and
> his prices are within bounds.
>
>  Deano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>  ]
> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010  1:43 PM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>
> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just  left Mark at BEM to thank him on  
> the
> engine rebuild as  there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
> still holding +-  200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
> advice on  the
> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10,  Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dan  <home at drummondlaw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04  PM
>
> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always  been good.
> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through  some of the
> repairs myself.
>
> Dan
> 66  MGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net 
>  ]
> On Behalf Of marcus
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25  AM
> To: North Bay British Car Club
> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust  and Tuning
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a shop to  take my TR6 in for tuning in the
> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only  shop I know of is British European,
> if anyone has other
>  recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
>  it.
>
> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the  exhaust system on
> the TR6
> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa  area.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Marcus
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From wkilch at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 07:42:39 2010
From: wkilch at sbcglobal.net (Walter & Gwen Kilchherr)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:42:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
In-Reply-To: <4C219742.60708@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <381370.60237.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup, 13 years is old for tires. It would most likely handle better with fresh
rubber.

Walter

--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net> wrote:

From: Ron Engelhardt <nobbc at sonic.net>
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 10:10 PM

I usually run 28 in the front, 30 in the back. 13 year old tires should
probably be replaced...

Ron
58 MGA



Mark Darley wrote:

> I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  tires on
my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good  condition.
>
> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?
>
> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales Bay  and
back.  Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car corners.  I  just had the
car checked for alignment and he pushed the tire pressure  up to 34 psi which
feels hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24  on the back (per MGAGuru)
and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one  corner this evening.
>
> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> 1957 1500cc MGA
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>
>> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from 
Blackpool,
>> Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra  mile
>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
On
>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>>
>> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>>
>> Paul Musson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  over 20
>> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed  in
>> a traffic
>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>
>> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>
>> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the  two
>> of us
>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to  do
>> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>> professional and
>> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
>> for and
>> his prices are within bounds.
>>
>> Deano
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on  the
>> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
>> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>> advice on the
>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>>
>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
>> repairs myself.
>>
>> Dan
>> 66 MGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of marcus
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
>> if anyone has other
>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
>> the TR6
>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Marcus
>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
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From mvg1 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 08:35:30 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:35:30 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
	<10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
	<FB4CF44A75D74C96905A2EA53C32FBA3@MARLA>
	<3912E60C-97F9-49DC-A216-57CBE261E2BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2514F784804B4048B5D9CC2C878DA6C7@mike>

Hi Mark,

You might try 30-32 PSI in front, and 28 PSI on the rear, this will give you 
proper front to back weight distribution, better handling, suffcient grip, 
less squeeling, and better gs consumption.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Darley" <markdarley at mac.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure


>I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  tires on 
>my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good  condition.
>
> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?
>
> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales Bay  and 
> back.  Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car corners.  I  just had 
> the car checked for alignment and he pushed the tire pressure  up to 34 
> psi which feels hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and 24  on the back 
> (per MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on one  corner this 
> evening.
>
> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> 1957 1500cc MGA
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>
>> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from 
>> Blackpool,
>> Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra 
>> mile
>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>>
>> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>>
>> Paul Musson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  over 20
>> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed  in
>> a traffic
>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed under a
>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>
>> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>
>> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the  two
>> of us
>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had to  do
>> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>> professional and
>> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you pay
>> for and
>> his prices are within bounds.
>>
>> Deano
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him on  the
>> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and I'm
>> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>> advice on the
>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>>
>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
>> repairs myself.
>>
>> Dan
>> 66 MGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net ]
>> On Behalf Of marcus
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British European,
>> if anyone has other
>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust system on
>> the TR6
>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Marcus
>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From markdarley at mac.com  Wed Jun 23 09:03:41 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:03:41 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
In-Reply-To: <f65e8.7e188670.3952fe5a@aol.com>
References: <f65e8.7e188670.3952fe5a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <346334A2-2C8A-4F54-BAB3-7B5E197F7547@mac.com>

Yes, I did read the article and that, combined with the skid/squeal  
yesterday, is what got me thinking maybe I should plunk for some fresh  
tires...

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:06 PM, MAEMLY at aol.com wrote:

> Mark................Moss Motors just had an article you might be
> interested in reading in their last Add/Article rag about tires, new  
> against old  and
> evaluations of same...................Mel
>
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:24:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> markdarley at mac.com writes:
>
> I have  1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15
> tires on  my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good
> condition.
>
> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with  comparable tires?
>
> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson  Beach to Tomales Bay
> and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like  the way the car corners.  I
> just had the car checked for  alignment and he pushed the tire  
> pressure
> up to 34 psi which feels  hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and  
> 24
> on the back (per  MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on  
> one
> corner this  evening.
>
> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go  slower)
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> 1957 1500cc MGA
> Mark  Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010,  at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>
>> Correct BEM is British European  Motors run by a fellow Brit from
>> Blackpool,
>> Mark  Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra
>> mile
>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]  On
>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010  11:37 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone  on Saturday.
>>
>> Is BEM British European Motors at  Cotati?
>>
>> Paul Musson
>>
>> ----- Original Message  -----
>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>> To: "North  Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June  22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>>
>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark  Singleton for
>> over 20
>> years now. He took car of my  Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed
>> in
>> a  traffic
>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed   
>> under a
>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>
>> When I  cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>> cylinder  wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>
>> Mark's  been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the
>> two
>> of us
>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K  miles of any car  
>> I've
>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot.  Virtually we have had to
>> do
>> only routine maintenance.  Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>> professional and
>> a  really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you  
>> pay
>> for and
>> his prices are within bounds.
>>
>> Deano
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010  1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just  left Mark at BEM to thank him on
>> the
>> engine rebuild as  there is little to none on a bleed down test and  
>> I'm
>> still holding +-  200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>> advice on  the
>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10,  Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dan  <home at drummondlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04  PM
>>
>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always  been good.
>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through  some of the
>> repairs myself.
>>
>> Dan
>> 66  MGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of marcus
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25  AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust  and Tuning
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for a shop to  take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only  shop I know of is British  
>> European,
>> if anyone has other
>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would  
>> appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the  exhaust  
>> system on
>> the TR6
>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa  area.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Marcus
>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From nobbc at sonic.net  Wed Jun 23 10:28:00 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:28:00 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
In-Reply-To: <2514F784804B4048B5D9CC2C878DA6C7@mike>
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
	<10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
	<FB4CF44A75D74C96905A2EA53C32FBA3@MARLA>
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	<2514F784804B4048B5D9CC2C878DA6C7@mike>
Message-ID: <4C223610.6020602@sonic.net>

This might work for a TR4 but the MGA would understeer with these 
settings. The MGA likes even tire pressure or, for slightly better 
performance on our roads, more pressure in the back for slight oversteer.

Ron
58 MGA

Mike Gianandrea wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> You might try 30-32 PSI in front, and 28 PSI on the rear, this will give 
> you proper front to back weight distribution, better handling, suffcient 
> grip, less squeeling, and better gs consumption.
> 
> Michael
> 64 TR4

From mvg1 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 10:29:18 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:29:18 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
References: <f65e8.7e188670.3952fe5a@aol.com>
	<346334A2-2C8A-4F54-BAB3-7B5E197F7547@mac.com>
Message-ID: <15A3584091E8483E91E1D562BB504F96@mike>

Hi Mark,

Considering the age of your tires and how long the car sat in storage, newer 
would most definately be better than old. Inflate your new shoes to the 
pressures I gave you, I think you'll be quite happy then. Look around, or 
ask the clubmembers for experience with a brand and availabilty. If you go 
to a big box store i.e. Big O, they will have limited selection in your 
size, and will try to sell you tires you won't be happy with. Be sure to get 
some decent tires. I have some Korean tires that I got at Big-O, I run them 
at 32 psi all the way around. These tires are all they had in my size, they 
are ok, but for my driving experience, very disappointing. I wish I had 
spent the time to look, but I had a situation at the time, which lead me to 
have the spare you bought from me. That tire was better than what I have 
now. Pirelli should have a good tire for you.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Darley" <markdarley at mac.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure


> Yes, I did read the article and that, combined with the skid/squeal 
> yesterday, is what got me thinking maybe I should plunk for some fresh 
> tires...
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:06 PM, MAEMLY at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Mark................Moss Motors just had an article you might be
>> interested in reading in their last Add/Article rag about tires, new 
>> against old  and
>> evaluations of same...................Mel
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:24:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> markdarley at mac.com writes:
>>
>> I have  1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15
>> tires on  my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good
>> condition.
>>
>> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with  comparable tires?
>>
>> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson  Beach to Tomales Bay
>> and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like  the way the car corners.  I
>> just had the car checked for  alignment and he pushed the tire  pressure
>> up to 34 psi which feels  hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and  24
>> on the back (per  MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on  one
>> corner this  evening.
>>
>> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go  slower)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>>
>> 1957 1500cc MGA
>> Mark  Darley
>> markdarley at mac.com
>> 415 381 5452
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2010,  at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>>
>>> Correct BEM is British European  Motors run by a fellow Brit from
>>> Blackpool,
>>> Mark  Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra
>>> mile
>>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]  On
>>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010  11:37 AM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>>
>>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone  on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Is BEM British European Motors at  Cotati?
>>>
>>> Paul Musson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>>> To: "North  Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June  22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>>>
>>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark  Singleton for
>>> over 20
>>> years now. He took car of my  Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed
>>> in
>>> a  traffic
>>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed   under a
>>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>>
>>> When I  cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>>> cylinder  wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>>
>>> Mark's  been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the
>>> two
>>> of us
>>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K  miles of any car  I've
>>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot.  Virtually we have had to
>>> do
>>> only routine maintenance.  Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>>> professional and
>>> a  really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you  pay
>>> for and
>>> his prices are within bounds.
>>>
>>> Deano
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010  1:43 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just  left Mark at BEM to thank him on
>>> the
>>> engine rebuild as  there is little to none on a bleed down test and  I'm
>>> still holding +-  200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>>> advice on  the
>>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10,  Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Dan  <home at drummondlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04  PM
>>>
>>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always  been good.
>>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through  some of the
>>> repairs myself.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> 66  MGB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of marcus
>>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25  AM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust  and Tuning
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a shop to  take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only  shop I know of is British  European,
>>> if anyone has other
>>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would  appreciate
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the  exhaust  system on
>>> the TR6
>>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa  area.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From BAugustine at harvestinn.com  Wed Jun 23 12:36:40 2010
From: BAugustine at harvestinn.com (Brandon Augustine)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB
References: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net><62B94022A95F4B90829C2B4B4D7F46B6@ScottPC>
	<CB60814AFF484802BFF5872A1382AC0A@PRS>
Message-ID: <F110896519AE9B46A17B631AAD329DA6019D7B@exchange2k3.portfolio.local>

I have two never used fender mirrors. nothing for the doors.

67 MGB

Brandon C. Augustine
Landscaping Director
Harvest Inn
One Main St.
St. Helena, CA 94574
(P) 707-963-9463 ext. 480
(F) 707-963-4426
baugustine at harvestinn.com
www.harvestinn.com

________________________________

From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Preston Sharpe
Sent: Sun 6/20/2010 3:40 PM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: [Nobbc] Replacement Side Mirrors For 79 MGB



anyone know where to find a pair of mirrors??? Thanks
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From BAugustine at harvestinn.com  Wed Jun 23 12:53:54 2010
From: BAugustine at harvestinn.com (Brandon Augustine)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:53:54 -0500
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
References: <f65e8.7e188670.3952fe5a@aol.com><346334A2-2C8A-4F54-BAB3-7B5E197F7547@mac.com>
	<15A3584091E8483E91E1D562BB504F96@mike>
Message-ID: <F110896519AE9B46A17B631AAD329DA6019D7C@exchange2k3.portfolio.local>

Hello,
 I have newer Pirelli P5's with tubes on my MGB (30 psi. on all four) and have
no complaints. Great tire for the $.

Brandon C. Augustine
Landscaping Director
Harvest Inn
One Main St.
St. Helena, CA 94574
(P) 707-963-9463 ext. 480
(F) 707-963-4426
baugustine at harvestinn.com
www.harvestinn.com

________________________________

From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Mike Gianandrea
Sent: Wed 6/23/2010 9:29 AM
To: North Bay British Car Club
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure



Hi Mark,

Considering the age of your tires and how long the car sat in storage, newer
would most definately be better than old. Inflate your new shoes to the
pressures I gave you, I think you'll be quite happy then. Look around, or
ask the clubmembers for experience with a brand and availabilty. If you go
to a big box store i.e. Big O, they will have limited selection in your
size, and will try to sell you tires you won't be happy with. Be sure to get
some decent tires. I have some Korean tires that I got at Big-O, I run them
at 32 psi all the way around. These tires are all they had in my size, they
are ok, but for my driving experience, very disappointing. I wish I had
spent the time to look, but I had a situation at the time, which lead me to
have the spare you bought from me. That tire was better than what I have
now. Pirelli should have a good tire for you.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Darley" <markdarley at mac.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure


> Yes, I did read the article and that, combined with the skid/squeal
> yesterday, is what got me thinking maybe I should plunk for some fresh
> tires...
>
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 11:06 PM, MAEMLY at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Mark................Moss Motors just had an article you might be
>> interested in reading in their last Add/Article rag about tires, new
>> against old  and
>> evaluations of same...................Mel
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:24:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> markdarley at mac.com writes:
>>
>> I have  1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15
>> tires on  my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good
>> condition.
>>
>> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with  comparable tires?
>>
>> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson  Beach to Tomales Bay
>> and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like  the way the car corners.  I
>> just had the car checked for  alignment and he pushed the tire  pressure
>> up to 34 psi which feels  hard.  I dropped it to 26 on the front and  24
>> on the back (per  MGAGuru) and squealed a lot and nearly lost it on  one
>> corner this  evening.
>>
>> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go  slower)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>>
>> 1957 1500cc MGA
>> Mark  Darley
>> markdarley at mac.com
>> 415 381 5452
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2010,  at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>>
>>> Correct BEM is British European  Motors run by a fellow Brit from
>>> Blackpool,
>>> Mark  Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the extra
>>> mile
>>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]  On
>>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010  11:37 AM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>>
>>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone  on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Is BEM British European Motors at  Cotati?
>>>
>>> Paul Musson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>>> To: "North  Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June  22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>>>
>>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark  Singleton for
>>> over 20
>>> years now. He took car of my  Series III 1985 Jag until it was killed
>>> in
>>> a  traffic
>>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed   under a
>>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>>
>>> When I  cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>>> cylinder  wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>>
>>> Mark's  been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between the
>>> two
>>> of us
>>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K  miles of any car  I've
>>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot.  Virtually we have had to
>>> do
>>> only routine maintenance.  Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>>> professional and
>>> a  really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you  pay
>>> for and
>>> his prices are within bounds.
>>>
>>> Deano
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010  1:43 PM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc]  TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just  left Mark at BEM to thank him on
>>> the
>>> engine rebuild as  there is little to none on a bleed down test and  I'm
>>> still holding +-  200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>>> advice on  the
>>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10,  Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Dan  <home at drummondlaw.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and  Tuning
>>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'"  <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04  PM
>>>
>>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always  been good.
>>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through  some of the
>>> repairs myself.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> 66  MGB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of marcus
>>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25  AM
>>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust  and Tuning
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a shop to  take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only  shop I know of is British  European,
>>> if anyone has other
>>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would  appreciate
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the  exhaust  system on
>>> the TR6
>>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa  area.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nobbc mailing  list
>>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From gtwincams at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 12:20:25 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
In-Reply-To: <4C223610.6020602@sonic.net>
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
	<10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
	<FB4CF44A75D74C96905A2EA53C32FBA3@MARLA>
	<3912E60C-97F9-49DC-A216-57CBE261E2BD@mac.com>
	<2514F784804B4048B5D9CC2C878DA6C7@mike> <4C223610.6020602@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4C225069.9000507@gmail.com>

Adding some data here:

Our TR6 with the current stiff suspension and 205 size tires likes 26-28 
lbs in the rear, 28-30 in front, however that's got independent rear, 
front and rear swaybars, and performance shocks. This differs from 
stock, which I believe was 20 front, 24 rear. Suspension changes have a 
big effect on under and oversteer, as does tire pressures.

Our Elan likes 28 all around, again quite different from stock, due to 
larger tires and stiffer suspension, and how I like to drive the car in 
corners.

Gotta watch overinflation in the rear or that oversteer will become 
excessive. Mellow driving? Lower pressures. Pushing it in corners? 
Higher pressures keep the tire bead seated, good contact patch, less 
sidewall distortion. New tires aren't anything like what these cars came 
with, so experiment with pressures - you'll be amazed at how the car is 
transformed.

Ron gets good performance from his car, so all things being equal, his 
recommendations are a good place to start (maybe finish).

Cheers,
Greg Tatarian



On 6/23/2010 9:28 AM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> This might work for a TR4 but the MGA would understeer with these 
> settings. The MGA likes even tire pressure or, for slightly better 
> performance on our roads, more pressure in the back for slight oversteer.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
> Mike Gianandrea wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> You might try 30-32 PSI in front, and 28 PSI on the rear, this will 
>> give you proper front to back weight distribution, better handling, 
>> suffcient grip, less squeeling, and better gs consumption.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
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From wbain at sonic.net  Thu Jun 24 11:53:35 2010
From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] MGA tire pressure
In-Reply-To: <3912E60C-97F9-49DC-A216-57CBE261E2BD@mac.com>
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE8E@MAIL5.sr.local>
	<10639564.124390.1277231802574.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>
	<FB4CF44A75D74C96905A2EA53C32FBA3@MARLA>
	<3912E60C-97F9-49DC-A216-57CBE261E2BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <313E5CB3-77A2-4513-B5FE-1BB278B16A64@sonic.net>

I run 28 front and rear in the Morgan. Seems to work. Tires don't  
squeal in
turns and it doesn't try to break away. It seems modern tire  
pressures are
all in the 30's which is for cars this light. Besides, the Morgan  
rides hard
enough as it is!!!!

Cheers,

Wendell

On Jun 22, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mark Darley wrote:

> I have 1997 (according to my tire guy) Mastercraft M-R 325 165R15  
> tires on my MGA.  They came with the car and appear to be in good  
> condition.
>
> What tire pressure are you MGA guys running on with comparable tires?
>
> My typical drive is over Mount Tam, past Stinson Beach to Tomales  
> Bay and back.  Lovely windy roads and I like the way the car  
> corners.  I just had the car checked for alignment and he pushed  
> the tire pressure up to 34 psi which feels hard.  I dropped it to  
> 26 on the front and 24 on the back (per MGAGuru) and squealed a lot  
> and nearly lost it on one corner this evening.
>
> Suggestions? (other than the obvious one: go slower)
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> 1957 1500cc MGA
> Mark Darley
> markdarley at mac.com
> 415 381 5452
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:02 PM, andy preston wrote:
>
>> Correct BEM is British European Motors run by a fellow Brit from  
>> Blackpool,
>> Mark Singleton.  He's a great guy and always willing to go the  
>> extra mile
>> for you.  Save up your pennies.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of paul at themussons.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:37 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'm a newcomer. I hope to see everyone on Saturday.
>>
>> Is BEM British European Motors at Cotati?
>>
>> Paul Musson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Paige" <DPaige at srcity.org>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:45:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> I'll agree with BEM on this. Been a client of Mark Singleton for  
>> over 20
>> years now. He took car of my Series III 1985 Jag until it was  
>> killed in
>> a traffic
>> accident that very nearly did me in too. Rear ended and pushed  
>> under a
>> 101 center guard rail by a Ford 250.
>>
>> When I cracked a valve on my TR-6 at 310K that pretty much toasted a
>> cylinder wall his shop built me a new engine and installed it.
>>
>> Mark's been taking regular care of my 1998 VDP since 02. Between  
>> the two
>> of us
>> we have maintained the best running Jag at 175K miles of any car I've
>> ever owned and it looks nearly new to boot. Virtually we have had  
>> to do
>> only routine maintenance. Mark is knowledgeable, honest, friendly,
>> professional and
>> a really good guy. I cringe at the bills too, but you get what you  
>> pay
>> for and
>> his prices are within bounds.
>>
>> Deano
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Sarto Rocheleau
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hi Marcus, I agree with Dan. I just left Mark at BEM to thank him  
>> on the
>> engine rebuild as there is little to none on a bleed down test and  
>> I'm
>> still holding +- 200 compression after 5 years. I also needed some
>> advice on the
>> cam cover paint he used.Sarto
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dan <home at drummondlaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dan <home at drummondlaw.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" <nobbc at autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:04 PM
>>
>> I like BEM. They're a bit pricey, but the work has always been good.
>> They've also been easy to work with as I stumble through some of the
>> repairs myself.
>>
>> Dan
>> 66 MGB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of marcus
>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:25 AM
>> To: North Bay British Car Club
>> Subject: [Nobbc] TR6 exhaust and Tuning
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for a shop to take my TR6 in for tuning in the
>> Petaluma/Santa Rosa area. The only shop I know of is British  
>> European,
>> if anyone has other
>> recommendations or comments about British European, I would  
>> appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> Also need a good exhaust shop to do some work on the exhaust  
>> system on
>> the TR6
>> in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Marcus
>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
>> _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list
>> Nobbc at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc
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From gonzosaurs at comcast.net  Thu Jun 24 13:04:09 2010
From: gonzosaurs at comcast.net (gonzosaurs at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:04:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
In-Reply-To: <4C1A7072.8090105@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1535246217.7704481277406249805.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi, 
If anyone is looking for a good TR-6 I am selling my brothers 73 TR-6. It is up on Craigslist for 13.5, will sell to a club member for 12k. This is a very nice car and has had lots of work. 

Just thought someone might be interested. Check it out or call me to view it. 321-4929 

dan 
68 tr-250 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <nobbc at sonic.net> 
To: nobbc at autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride 

June is a busy month, so I thought an early reminder of our next ride 
would be helpful. Saturday after next, 6/26, is our next scheduled ride. 
If anyone has a destination for us and would like to lead a ride, step 
up. Otherwise, we will meet at Bad Ass at 10AM and the group present 
will decide. Bring a sandwich, gas, sunblock, etc. 

Ron 
58 MGA 
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From paul at themussons.com  Thu Jun 24 13:33:39 2010
From: paul at themussons.com (paul at themussons.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Bad Ass Coffee
Message-ID: <2253030.141293.1277408018983.JavaMail.root@mail2c.brinkster.com>

Is this on Mark West Springs Road?

Paul

From gtwincams at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:04:48 2010
From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:04:48 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Next June ride
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Hi Dan,
Is this the red one I've seen on CL for some time, and was on eBay?
Looks nice...
Cheers,
Greg



On 6/24/2010 12:04 PM, gonzosaurs at comcast.net wrote:
> Hi,
> If anyone is looking for a good TR-6 I am selling my brothers 73 TR-6. It is up on Craigslist for 13.5, will sell to a club member for 12k. This is a very nice car and has had lots of work.
>
> Just thought someone might be interested. Check it out or call me to view it. 321-4929
>
> dan

From nobbc at sonic.net  Thu Jun 24 14:14:43 2010
From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:14:43 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] Bad Ass Coffee
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Yep! Corner of Old Red and Mark West Springs. We usually meet in back at 
10ish and leave by 10:30.

Ron
58 MGA

paul at themussons.com wrote:
> Is this on Mark West Springs Road?
> 
> Paul
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From DPaige at srcity.org  Tue Jun 29 09:26:17 2010
From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:26:17 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)
Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE92@MAIL5.sr.local>

 A question we might all have to consider.

My response follows

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Triumph List
Subject: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)

I guess this might seem a stupid question to ask of people in a part of the
world where fuel is so cheap - but is it safe to assume it will always be so?
Earlier this week, I had a long talk with an old friend I've known for more
than 40 years who has been the besotted owner for at least 30 of those years
of a 1930 Speed Six Bentley. Okay, that in itself is a car from the collector
stratosphere - but I was both amazed and shocked to learn he now has the car
up for sale. By his own admission, it's not that he has tired of it, come to
be less interested in it - or even that he can't afford to run it. Dave is the
first to admit that he has plenty of money and he could easily keep and run
the Bentley to his dying day. Knowing him as well as I do, I asked him why the
time had come for he and the car to part company?
His answer didn't
exactly surprise me.
"I've reached a point where I feel it's not only a very selfish whim to
continue to drive it and enjoy it but that I am finding it difficult to
reconcile the cost of filling the tank for a weekend of pleasure.
I'm extremely lucky to be able to afford to fill the tank on that beast, but
its the principle of paying such an horrendous amount of money for what is to
all intents and purposes an indulgent pursuit that benefits no-one. Simply,
the cost of pouring fuel into what seems a bottomless tank gives very little
"return" in terms of money per mile on fuel used. And at 12 mpig if I'm lucky,
that works out at 45 pence (70 cents) a mile. That figure is just plain
ludicrous, so  Its time to let someone else enjoy the privilege. It'll break
my heart to see it go - but the time has come."
And that conversation reminded
me of other vehicle enthusiasts I know in similar situations. There are
Triumph and MG owners who are saying"it's been fun but we're not playing this
game any more because of fuel cost" Then there are others of whom several have
shared ownerships in specific vehicles. There's the group of six lawyers who
all have equal shares in a Routemaster Double deck London bus, another group
who lavish care and love on some superb heavy duty trucks - and the steam
engine fraternity who are grumbling (with reason) about the price of coal and
escalating costs for bi-annual boiler safety pressure checks..
All of them
are now saying to a greater or lesser extent, "this will have to be the last
year. The costs for enjoyment has got out of reach and this is substantially
dulling the pleasure."
As of today, one US gallon of gasoline in the UK is selling in supermarkets
for the equivalent price of US$6.71 of which the better part of $6.00 is tax.
Franchised gas stations with BP, Shell or Texaco have higher prices and so I
ask this either / or question of all of you who are inclined to answer

"How high would gas prices have to go in your country before you would
seriously consider giving up your Triumph?" or "If there was no way you could
buy gas for less than $6 a gallon, what would justify you in keeping and using
your Triumph as you do?"

I've already sold both of my
Triumphs because I simply could not justify the cost of re-fuelling either of
them for the simple entertainment value they gave.. With two cars in the
family, we now put fuel economy at the top of the list and that's why our
household has converted over the last three years to modern high-speed
turbo-diesels of less than 2000cc. They're boring, they're absolutely
reliable, they're fuel efficient and both are returning +50mpg with extremely
low emissions. That's what matters, that's how our motoring will be in the
years to come - and not because of inclinations towards a 'greener'
environment. Running a classic car that does little more than 25mpg (because
it was never designed to do it) is simply throwing good money after bad. And
that's exactly how my friend with the Bentley feels which is why he's selling
it - and it's a view being ever more widely propounded throughout western
Europe. The price of fuel is slowly killing  the hobby.

Jonmac



Here's my take on the subject.

As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby for most of it's lifetime. It's
been an avocation. For most of the TR's life it was a daily driver and then
some. The Red Car as it came to be known has been across the country from
Chicago to Key West, to New York City, 200 miles into Baja, and in 1976 from
Illinois to it's now home of California. Together we hit the 325K milestone
and the 37th year just two weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable Helena once
claimed that I had touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of course
was a gross overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent keeping the
Red Car and us on the road.

As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the Ventura Highway through
Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a fabulously sunny morning, with
the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent of jasmine in bloom in the air a
week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I could think was WOW "What a good Idea it
was to pack it up and move to Santa Barbara!" As it turned out it was a GREAT
idea. With $1700 in our pockets we made our home in SB. Both H and I earned
our degrees at U. C. Santa Barbara and the Red Car most always got us to where
we needed to be. Most of those years we were broke and the Red Car at times
suffered for lack of maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was located
in Goleta was a blessing. Actual parts were available something that was near
impossible in Chicago.

After a number of years of neglect of crucial maintenance I slowly started
bringing the Red Car back to health. Many obstacles were overcome, many
problems were solved and improvements made. Rarely did I have to resort to
professionals to keep us on the road. It was my responsibility alone to do the
work that kept us rolling.

The Red Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High Sierra's, to the mud
flats of Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco, to Oregon and any new
country road we could find. In all the years there were very few strandings.
Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night trip from Santa Barbara to
L.A. were about the worst of it.

Lo, these many years later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue our
Journeys. The ghost of H rides with me on these sojourns along with a the new
woman in my life the impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves her roadsters
dearly having owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325 CI. We ride with a
host of British car owners of all types on a two week basis every Saturday
through the wine country, up and down the coast and points north, south and
east. The Red Car has never looked or run better. It still sports its
Silverstone mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it is the proud recipient of
a Herman van den Akker Toyota 5 speed transmission conversion.

The Red Car is not just a machine to me. It is a portal to the past and an
opening to the future. Our travels together spin tales of love, triumph, loss,
hope, adventure, tears, joy, and heartbreak.

The cost of fuel is irrelevant in this scheme of things. As long as I am able
to turn a wrench I will look after my long term partner the Red Car. I will
treat it as a member of the family and look after it accordingly. I will not
let the Red Car just sit in the garage. I'll fill the tank and hit the road
when the call of the highway beckons.

And for me... That's the truth of it.

Deano


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From markdarley at mac.com  Tue Jun 29 09:47:33 2010
From: markdarley at mac.com (Mark Darley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:47:33 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
 (Rhetorical?)
In-Reply-To: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE92@MAIL5.sr.local>
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE92@MAIL5.sr.local>
Message-ID: <302BF219-7F9D-4A71-9716-E2709A7F47A8@mac.com>

Dean,

Both sides of the argument are relevant, but less than 20 miles to the  
gallon is hard to defend even in America.  However in my case I find  
my MGA gets better mileage between Mill Valley and Inverness than my  
Audi Quattro.  The big difference is the oil consumption!

As the Gulf gets drenched in oil I have the occassional twinge of  
guilt as I pour another quart of oil into the top of my engine that I  
know will be going out the bottom and into the air.   Of course the  
"right thing to do" is for me to minimize my oil consumption, and that  
will be my winter project.  (My first winter owning the car, this last  
one, was spent just getting it running and replacing all the rubber).

In the meantime, like you, I get enormous pleasure driving a vehicle  
that has been "recyled" since 1957, which may be the most responsible  
thing we do.   Steel production is one of the most environmentally  
costly raw materials to produce, and my car is entirely the original  
British steel (with a little aluminium, and some marine ply etc.).   
How many other consumer products have you kept out of the landfill for  
that long?

My "penny for your thoughts".
Mark

Mark Darley
markdarley at mac.com
415 381 5452



On Jun 29, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Paige, Dean wrote:

> A question we might all have to consider.
>
> My response follows
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of John Macartney
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM
> To: Triumph List
> Subject: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)
>
> I guess this might seem a stupid question to ask of people in a part  
> of the
> world where fuel is so cheap - but is it safe to assume it will  
> always be so?
> Earlier this week, I had a long talk with an old friend I've known  
> for more
> than 40 years who has been the besotted owner for at least 30 of  
> those years
> of a 1930 Speed Six Bentley. Okay, that in itself is a car from the  
> collector
> stratosphere - but I was both amazed and shocked to learn he now has  
> the car
> up for sale. By his own admission, it's not that he has tired of it,  
> come to
> be less interested in it - or even that he can't afford to run it.  
> Dave is the
> first to admit that he has plenty of money and he could easily keep  
> and run
> the Bentley to his dying day. Knowing him as well as I do, I asked  
> him why the
> time had come for he and the car to part company?
> His answer didn't
> exactly surprise me.
> "I've reached a point where I feel it's not only a very selfish whim  
> to
> continue to drive it and enjoy it but that I am finding it difficult  
> to
> reconcile the cost of filling the tank for a weekend of pleasure.
> I'm extremely lucky to be able to afford to fill the tank on that  
> beast, but
> its the principle of paying such an horrendous amount of money for  
> what is to
> all intents and purposes an indulgent pursuit that benefits no-one.  
> Simply,
> the cost of pouring fuel into what seems a bottomless tank gives  
> very little
> "return" in terms of money per mile on fuel used. And at 12 mpig if  
> I'm lucky,
> that works out at 45 pence (70 cents) a mile. That figure is just  
> plain
> ludicrous, so  Its time to let someone else enjoy the privilege.  
> It'll break
> my heart to see it go - but the time has come."
> And that conversation reminded
> me of other vehicle enthusiasts I know in similar situations. There  
> are
> Triumph and MG owners who are saying"it's been fun but we're not  
> playing this
> game any more because of fuel cost" Then there are others of whom  
> several have
> shared ownerships in specific vehicles. There's the group of six  
> lawyers who
> all have equal shares in a Routemaster Double deck London bus,  
> another group
> who lavish care and love on some superb heavy duty trucks - and the  
> steam
> engine fraternity who are grumbling (with reason) about the price of  
> coal and
> escalating costs for bi-annual boiler safety pressure checks..
> All of them
> are now saying to a greater or lesser extent, "this will have to be  
> the last
> year. The costs for enjoyment has got out of reach and this is  
> substantially
> dulling the pleasure."
> As of today, one US gallon of gasoline in the UK is selling in  
> supermarkets
> for the equivalent price of US$6.71 of which the better part of  
> $6.00 is tax.
> Franchised gas stations with BP, Shell or Texaco have higher prices  
> and so I
> ask this either / or question of all of you who are inclined to answer
>
> "How high would gas prices have to go in your country before you would
> seriously consider giving up your Triumph?" or "If there was no way  
> you could
> buy gas for less than $6 a gallon, what would justify you in keeping  
> and using
> your Triumph as you do?"
>
> I've already sold both of my
> Triumphs because I simply could not justify the cost of re-fuelling  
> either of
> them for the simple entertainment value they gave.. With two cars in  
> the
> family, we now put fuel economy at the top of the list and that's  
> why our
> household has converted over the last three years to modern high-speed
> turbo-diesels of less than 2000cc. They're boring, they're absolutely
> reliable, they're fuel efficient and both are returning +50mpg with  
> extremely
> low emissions. That's what matters, that's how our motoring will be  
> in the
> years to come - and not because of inclinations towards a 'greener'
> environment. Running a classic car that does little more than 25mpg  
> (because
> it was never designed to do it) is simply throwing good money after  
> bad. And
> that's exactly how my friend with the Bentley feels which is why  
> he's selling
> it - and it's a view being ever more widely propounded throughout  
> western
> Europe. The price of fuel is slowly killing  the hobby.
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby for most of it's  
> lifetime. It's
> been an avocation. For most of the TR's life it was a daily driver  
> and then
> some. The Red Car as it came to be known has been across the country  
> from
> Chicago to Key West, to New York City, 200 miles into Baja, and in  
> 1976 from
> Illinois to it's now home of California. Together we hit the 325K  
> milestone
> and the 37th year just two weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable  
> Helena once
> claimed that I had touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of  
> course
> was a gross overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent  
> keeping the
> Red Car and us on the road.
>
> As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the Ventura Highway  
> through
> Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a fabulously sunny  
> morning, with
> the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent of jasmine in bloom in the  
> air a
> week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I could think was WOW "What a good  
> Idea it
> was to pack it up and move to Santa Barbara!" As it turned out it  
> was a GREAT
> idea. With $1700 in our pockets we made our home in SB. Both H and I  
> earned
> our degrees at U. C. Santa Barbara and the Red Car most always got  
> us to where
> we needed to be. Most of those years we were broke and the Red Car  
> at times
> suffered for lack of maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was  
> located
> in Goleta was a blessing. Actual parts were available something that  
> was near
> impossible in Chicago.
>
> After a number of years of neglect of crucial maintenance I slowly  
> started
> bringing the Red Car back to health. Many obstacles were overcome,  
> many
> problems were solved and improvements made. Rarely did I have to  
> resort to
> professionals to keep us on the road. It was my responsibility alone  
> to do the
> work that kept us rolling.
>
> The Red Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High Sierra's, to  
> the mud
> flats of Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco, to Oregon and any  
> new
> country road we could find. In all the years there were very few  
> strandings.
> Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night trip from Santa  
> Barbara to
> L.A. were about the worst of it.
>
> Lo, these many years later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue  
> our
> Journeys. The ghost of H rides with me on these sojourns along with  
> a the new
> woman in my life the impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves her  
> roadsters
> dearly having owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325 CI. We  
> ride with a
> host of British car owners of all types on a two week basis every  
> Saturday
> through the wine country, up and down the coast and points north,  
> south and
> east. The Red Car has never looked or run better. It still sports its
> Silverstone mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it is the proud  
> recipient of
> a Herman van den Akker Toyota 5 speed transmission conversion.
>
> The Red Car is not just a machine to me. It is a portal to the past  
> and an
> opening to the future. Our travels together spin tales of love,  
> triumph, loss,
> hope, adventure, tears, joy, and heartbreak.
>
> The cost of fuel is irrelevant in this scheme of things. As long as  
> I am able
> to turn a wrench I will look after my long term partner the Red Car.  
> I will
> treat it as a member of the family and look after it accordingly. I  
> will not
> let the Red Car just sit in the garage. I'll fill the tank and hit  
> the road
> when the call of the highway beckons.
>
> And for me... That's the truth of it.
>
> Deano
>
>
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From mvg1 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 29 10:51:47 2010
From: mvg1 at verizon.net (Mike Gianandrea)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:51:47 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
 (Rhetorical?)
References: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE92@MAIL5.sr.local>
Message-ID: <AFDC2DC7D2BA4DAB9B98ABA801A9076B@mike>

Deano and others,

As most of you would probably agree, old car buffs, enthusiasts, LBC lovers, 
etc., our cars are a part of us, not just cars, like children and pets they 
are parts of our lives and personal history, and for most of us, unlikely to 
go away, for whatever reason. Since the age of 18, when I bought my first 
car, a somewhat ratty bugeyed sprite that I fixed up, and and that lead to 
my first Jag (59 MK I sedan), to the many other Sprites, Triumphs, Jags, 
Austin Mini, so many I can't remember them all, but many I wish I had back 
now. I was extremely fortunate early on, in that I ran my father's 
manufacturing business, where I had a full machine shop, fiber glass shop, 
paint shop, and space to store and work on my toys. I have fixed, 
straightened, welded, turned parts for all of them, painted most of them, 
some more than a couple of times, as scratches and dents were un-tolerable, 
and I had the resources to maintain them and keep them beautiful.

I left the company in 1982, and have been self employed since. As some you 
can appreciate, being self employed can be very difficult at times, such as 
now, in this economy, having a manufacturing business in Sonoma Co. is 
extremey challenging, physically and financially, and some very difficult 
decisions have to be made, such as do I sell this or that. I found myself in 
a similar situation in 1994, facing very difficult times, no money, not 
enough business, I had a house to pay for, a wife and young kids to feed, 
and after years of people literally walking up to my front door asking to 
buy my Triumph, the time and situation had come, I had to sell my beloved TR 
4, I WAS CRUSHED. Life went on, and 3 years later, the young man that bought 
my baby committed suicide, and long story short, MY TR4 came back to me, on 
very shakey terms, but she is back. My kids are older now, one going off to 
college, the wife has a job for now, and I continue to face many 
difficulties. My car collection has dwindled to a Camaro, a GMC Yukon, and 
MY TR, and as I have told my wife many times, never ask me to choose between 
her and my business, or MY TR. For what it's worth, the beauty and design of 
cars in general, but in particular old cars, the things we don't see 
anymore, leather door straps, side curtains, no computers, a vehicle you can 
touch, carress, work on and love, hold an allure that cannot be replaced. I 
don't care how much gas ever costs, or even if there is gas or not, I will 
never sell MY TR again. Hard times or good, pretty or beat up, no matter 
what the wifes says, MY TR is mine untill I die.

Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paige, Dean" <DPaige at srcity.org>
To: <nobbc at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)


> A question we might all have to consider.
>
> My response follows
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of John Macartney
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM
> To: Triumph List
> Subject: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)
>
> I guess this might seem a stupid question to ask of people in a part of 
> the
> world where fuel is so cheap - but is it safe to assume it will always be 
> so?
> Earlier this week, I had a long talk with an old friend I've known for 
> more
> than 40 years who has been the besotted owner for at least 30 of those 
> years
> of a 1930 Speed Six Bentley. Okay, that in itself is a car from the 
> collector
> stratosphere - but I was both amazed and shocked to learn he now has the 
> car
> up for sale. By his own admission, it's not that he has tired of it, come 
> to
> be less interested in it - or even that he can't afford to run it. Dave is 
> the
> first to admit that he has plenty of money and he could easily keep and 
> run
> the Bentley to his dying day. Knowing him as well as I do, I asked him why 
> the
> time had come for he and the car to part company?
> His answer didn't
> exactly surprise me.
> "I've reached a point where I feel it's not only a very selfish whim to
> continue to drive it and enjoy it but that I am finding it difficult to
> reconcile the cost of filling the tank for a weekend of pleasure.
> I'm extremely lucky to be able to afford to fill the tank on that beast, 
> but
> its the principle of paying such an horrendous amount of money for what is 
> to
> all intents and purposes an indulgent pursuit that benefits no-one. 
> Simply,
> the cost of pouring fuel into what seems a bottomless tank gives very 
> little
> "return" in terms of money per mile on fuel used. And at 12 mpig if I'm 
> lucky,
> that works out at 45 pence (70 cents) a mile. That figure is just plain
> ludicrous, so  Its time to let someone else enjoy the privilege. It'll 
> break
> my heart to see it go - but the time has come."
> And that conversation reminded
> me of other vehicle enthusiasts I know in similar situations. There are
> Triumph and MG owners who are saying"it's been fun but we're not playing 
> this
> game any more because of fuel cost" Then there are others of whom several 
> have
> shared ownerships in specific vehicles. There's the group of six lawyers 
> who
> all have equal shares in a Routemaster Double deck London bus, another 
> group
> who lavish care and love on some superb heavy duty trucks - and the steam
> engine fraternity who are grumbling (with reason) about the price of coal 
> and
> escalating costs for bi-annual boiler safety pressure checks..
> All of them
> are now saying to a greater or lesser extent, "this will have to be the 
> last
> year. The costs for enjoyment has got out of reach and this is 
> substantially
> dulling the pleasure."
> As of today, one US gallon of gasoline in the UK is selling in 
> supermarkets
> for the equivalent price of US$6.71 of which the better part of $6.00 is 
> tax.
> Franchised gas stations with BP, Shell or Texaco have higher prices and so 
> I
> ask this either / or question of all of you who are inclined to answer
>
> "How high would gas prices have to go in your country before you would
> seriously consider giving up your Triumph?" or "If there was no way you 
> could
> buy gas for less than $6 a gallon, what would justify you in keeping and 
> using
> your Triumph as you do?"
>
> I've already sold both of my
> Triumphs because I simply could not justify the cost of re-fuelling either 
> of
> them for the simple entertainment value they gave.. With two cars in the
> family, we now put fuel economy at the top of the list and that's why our
> household has converted over the last three years to modern high-speed
> turbo-diesels of less than 2000cc. They're boring, they're absolutely
> reliable, they're fuel efficient and both are returning +50mpg with 
> extremely
> low emissions. That's what matters, that's how our motoring will be in the
> years to come - and not because of inclinations towards a 'greener'
> environment. Running a classic car that does little more than 25mpg 
> (because
> it was never designed to do it) is simply throwing good money after bad. 
> And
> that's exactly how my friend with the Bentley feels which is why he's 
> selling
> it - and it's a view being ever more widely propounded throughout western
> Europe. The price of fuel is slowly killing  the hobby.
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby for most of it's lifetime. 
> It's
> been an avocation. For most of the TR's life it was a daily driver and 
> then
> some. The Red Car as it came to be known has been across the country from
> Chicago to Key West, to New York City, 200 miles into Baja, and in 1976 
> from
> Illinois to it's now home of California. Together we hit the 325K 
> milestone
> and the 37th year just two weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable Helena 
> once
> claimed that I had touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of 
> course
> was a gross overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent keeping 
> the
> Red Car and us on the road.
>
> As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the Ventura Highway through
> Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a fabulously sunny morning, 
> with
> the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent of jasmine in bloom in the air a
> week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I could think was WOW "What a good Idea 
> it
> was to pack it up and move to Santa Barbara!" As it turned out it was a 
> GREAT
> idea. With $1700 in our pockets we made our home in SB. Both H and I 
> earned
> our degrees at U. C. Santa Barbara and the Red Car most always got us to 
> where
> we needed to be. Most of those years we were broke and the Red Car at 
> times
> suffered for lack of maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was 
> located
> in Goleta was a blessing. Actual parts were available something that was 
> near
> impossible in Chicago.
>
> After a number of years of neglect of crucial maintenance I slowly started
> bringing the Red Car back to health. Many obstacles were overcome, many
> problems were solved and improvements made. Rarely did I have to resort to
> professionals to keep us on the road. It was my responsibility alone to do 
> the
> work that kept us rolling.
>
> The Red Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High Sierra's, to the mud
> flats of Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco, to Oregon and any new
> country road we could find. In all the years there were very few 
> strandings.
> Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night trip from Santa Barbara to
> L.A. were about the worst of it.
>
> Lo, these many years later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue our
> Journeys. The ghost of H rides with me on these sojourns along with a the 
> new
> woman in my life the impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves her 
> roadsters
> dearly having owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325 CI. We ride 
> with a
> host of British car owners of all types on a two week basis every Saturday
> through the wine country, up and down the coast and points north, south 
> and
> east. The Red Car has never looked or run better. It still sports its
> Silverstone mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it is the proud recipient 
> of
> a Herman van den Akker Toyota 5 speed transmission conversion.
>
> The Red Car is not just a machine to me. It is a portal to the past and an
> opening to the future. Our travels together spin tales of love, triumph, 
> loss,
> hope, adventure, tears, joy, and heartbreak.
>
> The cost of fuel is irrelevant in this scheme of things. As long as I am 
> able
> to turn a wrench I will look after my long term partner the Red Car. I 
> will
> treat it as a member of the family and look after it accordingly. I will 
> not
> let the Red Car just sit in the garage. I'll fill the tank and hit the 
> road
> when the call of the highway beckons.
>
> And for me... That's the truth of it.
>
> Deano
>
>
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From MAEMLY at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 11:30:16 2010
From: MAEMLY at aol.com (MAEMLY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:30:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
 (Rhetorical?)
Message-ID: <25f9c.15567c03.395b87a8@aol.com>

DPaige...............At first I thought your leanings were to the  
Pollution created by our inefficient vehicles. But as the statement progressed  it's 
relationship turned more from protecting the environment to cost of fuel  
which is a problem. But since a great many of these cars and I mean our MG  
Midget as well are driven but few miles a year in the real scheme of things. 
         My real point is  if you sell off the car and it's a driven item 
as opposed to a car put into a  Museum or for viewing 95 % of the time then 
your just moving it onto the same  use you are giving it . It may give all of 
us a feeling of satisfaction  that we are not polluting the world but 
someone else is. 
        So maybe if the  guilt has really gotten to us reduce our trips 50% 
and look at it  lovingly like we do at our wives as we probably don't drive 
them as  much as before. There you go we've done our bit for the  
environment..........Mel
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2010 8:26:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
DPaige at srcity.org writes:

A  question we might all have to consider.

My response  follows

-----Original Message-----
From:  triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net 
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On  Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM
To:  Triumph List
Subject: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?  (Rhetorical?)

I guess this might seem a stupid question to ask of  people in a part of the
world where fuel is so cheap - but is it safe to  assume it will always be 
so?
Earlier this week, I had a long talk with an  old friend I've known for more
than 40 years who has been the besotted  owner for at least 30 of those 
years
of a 1930 Speed Six Bentley. Okay,  that in itself is a car from the 
collector
stratosphere - but I was both  amazed and shocked to learn he now has the 
car
up for sale. By his own  admission, it's not that he has tired of it, come 
to
be less interested in  it - or even that he can't afford to run it. Dave is 
the
first to admit  that he has plenty of money and he could easily keep and run
the Bentley to  his dying day. Knowing him as well as I do, I asked him why 
the
time had  come for he and the car to part company?
His answer didn't
exactly  surprise me.
"I've reached a point where I feel it's not only a very  selfish whim to
continue to drive it and enjoy it but that I am finding it  difficult to
reconcile the cost of filling the tank for a weekend of  pleasure.
I'm extremely lucky to be able to afford to fill the tank on that  beast, 
but
its the principle of paying such an horrendous amount of money  for what is 
to
all intents and purposes an indulgent pursuit that benefits  no-one. Simply,
the cost of pouring fuel into what seems a bottomless tank  gives very 
little
"return" in terms of money per mile on fuel used. And at  12 mpig if I'm 
lucky,
that works out at 45 pence (70 cents) a mile. That  figure is just plain
ludicrous, so  Its time to let someone else enjoy  the privilege. It'll 
break
my heart to see it go - but the time has  come."
And that conversation reminded
me of other vehicle enthusiasts I  know in similar situations. There are
Triumph and MG owners who are  saying"it's been fun but we're not playing 
this
game any more because of  fuel cost" Then there are others of whom several 
have
shared ownerships in  specific vehicles. There's the group of six lawyers 
who
all have equal  shares in a Routemaster Double deck London bus, another 
group
who lavish  care and love on some superb heavy duty trucks - and the steam
engine  fraternity who are grumbling (with reason) about the price of coal  
and
escalating costs for bi-annual boiler safety pressure checks..
All  of them
are now saying to a greater or lesser extent, "this will have to be  the 
last
year. The costs for enjoyment has got out of reach and this is  
substantially
dulling the pleasure."
As of today, one US gallon of  gasoline in the UK is selling in supermarkets
for the equivalent price of  US$6.71 of which the better part of $6.00 is 
tax.
Franchised gas stations  with BP, Shell or Texaco have higher prices and so 
I
ask this either / or  question of all of you who are inclined to answer

"How high would gas  prices have to go in your country before you would
seriously consider  giving up your Triumph?" or "If there was no way you 
could
buy gas for less  than $6 a gallon, what would justify you in keeping and 
using
your Triumph  as you do?"

I've already sold both of my
Triumphs because I simply  could not justify the cost of re-fuelling either 
of
them for the simple  entertainment value they gave.. With two cars in the
family, we now put  fuel economy at the top of the list and that's why our
household has  converted over the last three years to modern high-speed
turbo-diesels of  less than 2000cc. They're boring, they're absolutely
reliable, they're fuel  efficient and both are returning +50mpg with 
extremely
low emissions.  That's what matters, that's how our motoring will be in the
years to come -  and not because of inclinations towards a 'greener'
environment. Running a  classic car that does little more than 25mpg 
(because
it was never designed  to do it) is simply throwing good money after bad. 
And
that's exactly how  my friend with the Bentley feels which is why he's 
selling
it - and it's a  view being ever more widely propounded throughout western
Europe. The price  of fuel is slowly killing  the hobby.

Jonmac



Here's  my take on the subject.

As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby  for most of it's lifetime. 
It's
been an avocation. For most of the TR's  life it was a daily driver and then
some. The Red Car as it came to be  known has been across the country from
Chicago to Key West, to New York  City, 200 miles into Baja, and in 1976 
from
Illinois to it's now home of  California. Together we hit the 325K milestone
and the 37th year just two  weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable Helena 
once
claimed that I had  touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of course
was a gross  overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent keeping 
the
Red Car  and us on the road.

As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the  Ventura Highway through
Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a  fabulously sunny morning, 
with
the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent of  jasmine in bloom in the air a
week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I could  think was WOW "What a good Idea 
it
was to pack it up and move to Santa  Barbara!" As it turned out it was a 
GREAT
idea. With $1700 in our pockets  we made our home in SB. Both H and I earned
our degrees at U. C. Santa  Barbara and the Red Car most always got us to 
where
we needed to be. Most  of those years we were broke and the Red Car at times
suffered for lack of  maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was 
located
in Goleta was a  blessing. Actual parts were available something that was 
near
impossible in  Chicago.

After a number of years of neglect of crucial maintenance I  slowly started
bringing the Red Car back to health. Many obstacles were  overcome, many
problems were solved and improvements made. Rarely did I  have to resort to
professionals to keep us on the road. It was my  responsibility alone to do 
the
work that kept us rolling.

The Red  Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High Sierra's, to the mud
flats of  Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco, to Oregon and any new
country  road we could find. In all the years there were very few  
strandings.
Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night trip from Santa  Barbara to
L.A. were about the worst of it.

Lo, these many years  later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue our
Journeys. The ghost of  H rides with me on these sojourns along with a the 
new
woman in my life the  impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves her 
roadsters
dearly having  owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325 CI. We ride 
with a
host of  British car owners of all types on a two week basis every Saturday
through  the wine country, up and down the coast and points north, south and
east.  The Red Car has never looked or run better. It still sports its
Silverstone  mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it is the proud recipient 
of
a Herman  van den Akker Toyota 5 speed transmission conversion.

The Red Car is  not just a machine to me. It is a portal to the past and an
opening to the  future. Our travels together spin tales of love, triumph, 
loss,
hope,  adventure, tears, joy, and heartbreak.

The cost of fuel is irrelevant  in this scheme of things. As long as I am 
able
to turn a wrench I will look  after my long term partner the Red Car. I will
treat it as a member of the  family and look after it accordingly. I will 
not
let the Red Car just sit  in the garage. I'll fill the tank and hit the road
when the call of the  highway beckons.

And for me... That's the truth of  it.

Deano


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From MAEMLY at aol.com  Tue Jun 29 11:43:02 2010
From: MAEMLY at aol.com (MAEMLY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:43:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Nobbc] Fwd: FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
 (Rhetorical?)
Message-ID: <26e83.2247a298.395b8aa6@aol.com>

To all an apology...................I should have put "at our wives  or 
they at us as we probably don't drive either as much as  before."
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: MAEMLY at aol.com
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Sent: 6/29/2010 10:30:16  A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: Re: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up  your Triumph? (Rhetorical?)


DPaige...............At first I thought your leanings were to the  
Pollution created by our inefficient vehicles. But as the statement progressed  it's 
relationship turned more from protecting the environment to cost of fuel  
which is a problem. But since a great many of these cars and I mean our MG  
Midget as well are driven but few miles a year in the real scheme of things.  
My real point is  if you sell off the car and it's a driven item as opposed 
to a car put into a  Museum or for viewing 95 % of the time then your just 
moving it onto the same  use you are giving it . It may give all of us a 
feeling of satisfaction  that we are not polluting the world but someone else 
is. 
        So maybe if the  guilt has really gotten to us reduce our trips 50% 
and look at it  lovingly like we do at our wives as we probably don't drive 
them as  much as before. There you go we've done our bit for the  
environment..........Mel
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2010 8:26:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
DPaige at srcity.org writes:

A  question we might all have to consider.

My response  follows

-----Original Message-----
From:  triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net  
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of John  Macartney
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:54 PM
To: Triumph  List
Subject: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?  (Rhetorical?)

I guess this might seem a stupid question to ask of  people in a part of the
world where fuel is so cheap - but is it safe to  assume it will always be 
so?
Earlier this week, I had a long talk with an  old friend I've known for more
than 40 years who has been the besotted  owner for at least 30 of those 
years
of a 1930 Speed Six Bentley. Okay,  that in itself is a car from the 
collector
stratosphere - but I was both  amazed and shocked to learn he now has the 
car
up for sale. By his own  admission, it's not that he has tired of it, come 
to
be less interested  in it - or even that he can't afford to run it. Dave is 
the
first to  admit that he has plenty of money and he could easily keep and run
the  Bentley to his dying day. Knowing him as well as I do, I asked him why 
 the
time had come for he and the car to part company?
His answer  didn't
exactly surprise me.
"I've reached a point where I feel it's  not only a very selfish whim to
continue to drive it and enjoy it but  that I am finding it difficult to
reconcile the cost of filling the tank  for a weekend of pleasure.
I'm extremely lucky to be able to afford to  fill the tank on that beast, 
but
its the principle of paying such an  horrendous amount of money for what is 
to
all intents and purposes an  indulgent pursuit that benefits no-one. Simply,
the cost of pouring fuel  into what seems a bottomless tank gives very 
little
"return" in terms of  money per mile on fuel used. And at 12 mpig if I'm 
lucky,
that works out  at 45 pence (70 cents) a mile. That figure is just plain
ludicrous,  so  Its time to let someone else enjoy the privilege. It'll 
break
my  heart to see it go - but the time has come."
And that conversation  reminded
me of other vehicle enthusiasts I know in similar situations.  There are
Triumph and MG owners who are saying"it's been fun but we're  not playing 
this
game any more because of fuel cost" Then there are  others of whom several 
have
shared ownerships in specific vehicles.  There's the group of six lawyers 
who
all have equal shares in a  Routemaster Double deck London bus, another 
group
who lavish care and  love on some superb heavy duty trucks - and the steam
engine fraternity  who are grumbling (with reason) about the price of coal 
and
escalating  costs for bi-annual boiler safety pressure checks..
All of them
are  now saying to a greater or lesser extent, "this will have to be the  
last
year. The costs for enjoyment has got out of reach and this is  
substantially
dulling the pleasure."
As of today, one US gallon of  gasoline in the UK is selling in supermarkets
for the equivalent price of  US$6.71 of which the better part of $6.00 is 
tax.
Franchised gas stations  with BP, Shell or Texaco have higher prices and so 
I
ask this either / or  question of all of you who are inclined to answer

"How high would gas  prices have to go in your country before you would
seriously consider  giving up your Triumph?" or "If there was no way you 
could
buy gas for  less than $6 a gallon, what would justify you in keeping and 
using
your  Triumph as you do?"

I've already sold both of my
Triumphs because  I simply could not justify the cost of re-fuelling either 
of
them for the  simple entertainment value they gave.. With two cars in the
family, we  now put fuel economy at the top of the list and that's why our
household  has converted over the last three years to modern  high-speed
turbo-diesels of less than 2000cc. They're boring, they're  absolutely
reliable, they're fuel efficient and both are returning +50mpg  with 
extremely
low emissions. That's what matters, that's how our  motoring will be in the
years to come - and not because of inclinations  towards a 'greener'
environment. Running a classic car that does little  more than 25mpg 
(because
it was never designed to do it) is simply  throwing good money after bad. 
And
that's exactly how my friend with the  Bentley feels which is why he's 
selling
it - and it's a view being ever  more widely propounded throughout western
Europe. The price of fuel is  slowly killing  the hobby.

Jonmac



Here's my take  on the subject.

As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby for most  of it's lifetime. 
It's
been an avocation. For most of the TR's life it  was a daily driver and then
some. The Red Car as it came to be known has  been across the country from
Chicago to Key West, to New York City, 200  miles into Baja, and in 1976 
from
Illinois to it's now home of  California. Together we hit the 325K milestone
and the 37th year just two  weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable Helena 
once
claimed that I had  touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of course
was a gross  overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent keeping 
the
Red Car  and us on the road.

As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the  Ventura Highway through
Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a  fabulously sunny morning, 
with
the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent  of jasmine in bloom in the air a
week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I  could think was WOW "What a good Idea 
it
was to pack it up and move to  Santa Barbara!" As it turned out it was a 
GREAT
idea. With $1700 in our  pockets we made our home in SB. Both H and I earned
our degrees at U. C.  Santa Barbara and the Red Car most always got us to 
where
we needed to  be. Most of those years we were broke and the Red Car at times
suffered  for lack of maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was 
located
in  Goleta was a blessing. Actual parts were available something that was  
near
impossible in Chicago.

After a number of years of neglect of  crucial maintenance I slowly started
bringing the Red Car back to health.  Many obstacles were overcome, many
problems were solved and improvements  made. Rarely did I have to resort to
professionals to keep us on the  road. It was my responsibility alone to do 
the
work that kept us  rolling.

The Red Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High  Sierra's, to the mud
flats of Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco,  to Oregon and any new
country road we could find. In all the years there  were very few 
strandings.
Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night  trip from Santa Barbara to
L.A. were about the worst of it.

Lo,  these many years later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue  our
Journeys. The ghost of H rides with me on these sojourns along with a  the 
new
woman in my life the impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves  her 
roadsters
dearly having owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325  CI. We ride 
with a
host of British car owners of all types on a two week  basis every Saturday
through the wine country, up and down the coast and  points north, south and
east. The Red Car has never looked or run better.  It still sports its
Silverstone mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it  is the proud recipient 
of
a Herman van den Akker Toyota 5 speed  transmission conversion.

The Red Car is not just a machine to me. It  is a portal to the past and an
opening to the future. Our travels  together spin tales of love, triumph, 
loss,
hope, adventure, tears, joy,  and heartbreak.

The cost of fuel is irrelevant in this scheme of  things. As long as I am 
able
to turn a wrench I will look after my long  term partner the Red Car. I will
treat it as a member of the family and  look after it accordingly. I will 
not
let the Red Car just sit in the  garage. I'll fill the tank and hit the road
when the call of the highway  beckons.

And for me... That's the truth of  it.

Deano


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From DPaige at srcity.org  Tue Jun 29 12:12:07 2010
From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:12:07 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
 (Rhetorical?)
In-Reply-To: <25f9c.15567c03.395b87a8@aol.com>
References: <25f9c.15567c03.395b87a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0BBA449D9B70934797B17B38F789F1B9255B74CE93@MAIL5.sr.local>

I point out that the original on this was from John Mc Cartney, a long time
employee of British Leyland and author of the book "In  My Father's
Footsteps".  And, I myself care not a whit for the pollution issues or the gas
costs. I keep the TR in the best condition I can. And since I have a degree in
Environmental Bio and I keep my environmental footprint as small as possible
overall, I sleep well.

The TR might well have been scrapped long ago except I am so damn stubborn. I
refuse to give up my long time mechanical partner.  And in the long run
avoiding buying new cars and using all the required manufactured products that
got with that I am thus conserving resources. In my lifetime I have owned only
used cars and less then a dozen of them. In the past 37 years I have owned
only 4. A TR-6 a GT-6 a Series III (sold for parts), a Jag XJ-6 Series III
(killed by a rear ender) and the current Jag XJ-8 VDP. I feel no guilt
whatsoever regarding my 2 current vehicles. For better or worse I am bonded to
them. If I can keep up the pace I'll happily keep them until............ Well
until I croak!

Deano

-----Original Message-----
From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MAEMLY at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:30 AM
To: nobbc at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] FW: [TR] What cost to give up your Triumph?
(Rhetorical?)

DPaige...............At first I thought your leanings were to the Pollution
created by our inefficient vehicles. But as the statement progressed  it's
relationship turned more from protecting the environment to cost of fuel which
is a problem. But since a great many of these cars and I mean our MG Midget as
well are driven but few miles a year in the real scheme of things.
         My real point is  if you sell off the car and it's a driven item as
opposed to a car put into a  Museum or for viewing 95 % of the time then your
just moving it onto the same  use you are giving it . It may give all of us a
feeling of satisfaction  that we are not polluting the world but someone else
is.
        So maybe if the  guilt has really gotten to us reduce our trips 50%
and look at it  lovingly like we do at our wives as we probably don't drive
them as  much as before. There you go we've done our bit for the
environment..........Mel


In a message dated 6/29/2010 8:26:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
DPaige at srcity.org writes:


Here's  my take on the subject.

As for me, my 1973 TR-6 has not been a hobby  for most of it's lifetime.
It's
been an avocation. For most of the TR's  life it was a daily driver and then
some. The Red Car as it came to be  known has been across the country from
Chicago to Key West, to New York  City, 200 miles into Baja, and in 1976 from
Illinois to it's now home of  California. Together we hit the 325K milestone
and the 37th year just two  weeks ago. My late wife the inimitable Helena once
claimed that I had  touched more parts on the TR than on her. This of course
was a gross  overstatement but it is evocative of the time I spent keeping the
Red Car  and us on the road.

As Helena (H) and I and the Red Car rolled up the  Ventura Highway through
Montecito and into Santa Barbara top down on a  fabulously sunny morning, with
the Pacific on the left, the exotic scent of  jasmine in bloom in the air a
week after Thanksgiving in 76 all I could  think was WOW "What a good Idea it
was to pack it up and move to Santa  Barbara!" As it turned out it was a GREAT
idea. With $1700 in our pockets  we made our home in SB. Both H and I earned
our degrees at U. C. Santa  Barbara and the Red Car most always got us to
where we needed to be. Most  of those years we were broke and the Red Car at
times suffered for lack of  maintenance. The discovery that Moss Motors was
located in Goleta was a  blessing. Actual parts were available something that
was near impossible in  Chicago.

After a number of years of neglect of crucial maintenance I  slowly started
bringing the Red Car back to health. Many obstacles were  overcome, many
problems were solved and improvements made. Rarely did I  have to resort to
professionals to keep us on the road. It was my  responsibility alone to do
the work that kept us rolling.

The Red  Car carried us from Santa Barbara to the High Sierra's, to the mud
flats of  Morro Bay, to the Baja, to San Francisco, to Oregon and any new
country  road we could find. In all the years there were very few strandings.
Details such as a cracked rotor on a late night trip from Santa  Barbara to
L.A. were about the worst of it.

Lo, these many years  later in Santa Rosa, the Red Car and I continue our
Journeys. The ghost of  H rides with me on these sojourns along with a the new
woman in my life the  impeccable Maria Pia who surprisingly loves her
roadsters dearly having  owned an Alfa Romeo and now owning a BMW 325 CI. We
ride with a host of  British car owners of all types on a two week basis every
Saturday through  the wine country, up and down the coast and points north,
south and east.  The Red Car has never looked or run better. It still sports
its Silverstone  mags and as of a couple of weeks ago it is the proud
recipient of a Herman  van den Akker Toyota 5 speed transmission conversion.

The Red Car is  not just a machine to me. It is a portal to the past and an
opening to the  future. Our travels together spin tales of love, triumph,
loss, hope,  adventure, tears, joy, and heartbreak.

The cost of fuel is irrelevant  in this scheme of things. As long as I am able
to turn a wrench I will look  after my long term partner the Red Car. I will
treat it as a member of the  family and look after it accordingly. I will not
let the Red Car just sit  in the garage. I'll fill the tank and hit the road
when the call of the  highway beckons.

And for me... That's the truth of  it.

Deano


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From don at napanet.net  Tue Jun 29 22:19:49 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:19:49 -0700
Subject: [Nobbc] an awesome ride
Message-ID: <20100630050649.082EA24DC8F@mail.napanet.net>

Some would say this car exceeds the bounds of good taste.  Others 
would say it was "an elegant limo ride."

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1815464253.html