From wbain at sonic.net Thu Jan 1 11:41:52 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:41:52 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Long strange trip, redux In-Reply-To: <495C1B1F.7060103@sonic.net> References: <495C1B1F.7060103@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5E2DD9C1-E725-4AAD-84DE-96CAD96A1C07@sonic.net> Welcome to 2009, and welcome home!, I am willing to put on an event. I think with all the volunteers things should be covered while you recuperate. Hope you have a speedy recovery! Wendell 59 Morgan +4 On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Thanks to all for your kind thoughts. I made it back to Santa > Rosa today and commenced recuperating. Doctors orders are no > driving for at least 6 weeks, no heavy lifting, etc. So I will miss > at least 2 rides but it sounds as if they will be covered (thanks > Greg, Deano). Also thanks to all for all the bran suggestions, heh, > been getting that from my daughter...big time. > > Our next ride would nominally be on the 10th but a look at the > calendar shows that the 17th is the middle Sat. of the month so > what is your preference? I'll let you all fight it out but the 17th > seems more symetrical. > > As 2008 comes to an end, NOBBC is still thriving. I forecast > continued growth and driving fun next year. This disorganized thing > of ours has proven to have staying power, we must be doing > SOMEthing right. > > Happy New Year to each and every one of you. > > Ron > 58 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From SirPLB at aol.com Sat Jan 3 00:46:38 2009 From: SirPLB at aol.com (SirPLB at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:46:38 EST Subject: [Nobbc] Long strange trip Message-ID: Hi R, I'd like to wish you a belated Happy Holidays and am sorry to hear about the app. Hopping you get well soon! Cheers, Pat **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 4 19:51:10 2009 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:51:10 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Long strange trip In-Reply-To: <495C4BA8.4060105@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> Hi Ron, I just reunited the body with the chassis this weekend so things are going well. It's really nice when all the bolt holes line up for once. I'd love to have a club visit, in fact now would be a great time. Perhaps we could fit it in as part of the next drive. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:51 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Long strange trip Thanks Andy, I hope I get to see you, Marla and the rest of our nobbc crew soon. How's work coming on the A coupe? Any chance for a club visit to check it out? Ron 58 MGA andy preston wrote: > Hi Ron, both Marla and I are very sorry to here about your Christmas > troubles. That's not a pleasant thing to happen at any time especially at > Christmas. It looks like you lucked out with the Chief of Surgery and got > the best of care. Just take things easy and listen to the doctors and > nurses. You're in good shape so will probably recover quicker than most. > Don't worry about anything, we can always help Greg and any others and lead > tours while you're recuperating. > > Take care, and Happy New Year, > > Andy _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sun Jan 4 20:10:39 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:10:39 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Long strange trip In-Reply-To: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> Thats great Andy! I'm sure the club would like to see your progress. Unfortunately, I'm still recuperating and wont make the next ride (or two) but perhaps I could see it at a later date if the club wants to invade your garage next ride. Ron 58 MGA (lonely and cold in the garage) andy preston wrote: > Hi Ron, I just reunited the body with the chassis this weekend so things are > going well. It's really nice when all the bolt holes line up for once. I'd > love to have a club visit, in fact now would be a great time. Perhaps we > could fit it in as part of the next drive. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:51 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Long strange trip > > Thanks Andy, I hope I get to see you, Marla and the rest of our nobbc > crew soon. How's work coming on the A coupe? Any chance for a club > visit to check it out? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > andy preston wrote: > > >>Hi Ron, both Marla and I are very sorry to here about your Christmas >>troubles. That's not a pleasant thing to happen at any time especially at >>Christmas. It looks like you lucked out with the Chief of Surgery and got >>the best of care. Just take things easy and listen to the doctors and >>nurses. You're in good shape so will probably recover quicker than most. >>Don't worry about anything, we can always help Greg and any others and > > lead > >>tours while you're recuperating. >> >>Take care, and Happy New Year, >> >>Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From don at napanet.net Sun Jan 4 21:42:05 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:42:05 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person In-Reply-To: <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> >Hello fellow British car guys, I posted a query some time ago as to the whereabouts of a auto body/ paint person in the north Bay Area that has some affinity for our cars. I got a reply (it was a guy located just outside Forestville), but I can't find it now! I've located a nice TR4 but the body panel fit is not the greatest, and am wondering if there's any way to adjust stuff on a nicely painted car, or if it's too late to do this sort of work at this point without damaging the paint . Thanks! Don Scott '62 MGA Mk II '91 Miata BRG '73 MGB GT -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 01/03/2009 2:14 PM From nobbc at sonic.net Sun Jan 4 21:56:29 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:56:29 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> Message-ID: <496192FD.7080208@sonic.net> Hi Don, that would be Ron Wheeler in Forestville. He does beautiful work and is a great guy. I don't have his phone number handy but he is in the book. If you can't find it, let me know. Ron 58 MGA don wrote: >> Hello fellow British car guys, > > > I posted a query some time ago as to the whereabouts of a auto body/ > paint person in the north Bay Area that has some affinity for our cars. > I got a reply (it was a guy located just outside Forestville), but I > can't find it now! I've located a nice TR4 but the body panel fit is > not the greatest, and am wondering if there's any way to adjust stuff on > a nicely painted car, or if it's too late to do this sort of work at > this point without damaging the paint . > > Thanks! > Don Scott > '62 MGA Mk II > '91 Miata BRG > '73 MGB GT From don at napanet.net Sun Jan 4 22:02:54 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:02:54 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person In-Reply-To: <496192FD.7080208@sonic.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> <496192FD.7080208@sonic.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090104210059.03a5cdc0@pop.napanet.net> Thanks, Ron. I hope your recovery is going well. Don At 08:56 PM 01/04/2009, you wrote: >Hi Don, that would be Ron Wheeler in Forestville. He does beautiful work >and is a great guy. I don't have his phone number handy but he is in the >book. If you can't find it, let me know. > >Ron >58 MGA > > >don wrote: > >>>Hello fellow British car guys, >> >>I posted a query some time ago as to the whereabouts of a auto body/ >>paint person in the north Bay Area that has some affinity for our cars. >>I got a reply (it was a guy located just outside Forestville), but I >>can't find it now! I've located a nice TR4 but the body panel fit is not >>the greatest, and am wondering if there's any way to adjust stuff on a >>nicely painted car, or if it's too late to do this sort of work at this >>point without damaging the paint . >>Thanks! >>Don Scott >>'62 MGA Mk II >>'91 Miata BRG >>'73 MGB GT >_______________________________________________ >Nobbc mailing list >Nobbc at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release >Date: 01/03/2009 2:14 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 01/03/2009 2:14 PM From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 07:07:55 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4962143B.8060604@gmail.com> Hi NOBBC members, As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding gubbins, I am stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, which would normally be scheduled for this coming Saturday. Although it's a long-range forecast, NOAA shows clear weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. The Wine Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and I've noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict with theirs, so I suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and those who are members of the other club and want to make that drive can do that one without missing our drive. I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or Rohnert Park, then proceed on a route I haven't yet thought of (too early in the morning). Andy Preston has invited the club to see his MGA project, so after the drive members who wish to can proceed to his house. Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and I'll come up with some route ideas. Cheers, Greg Tatarian From fawn220 at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 07:13:17 2009 From: fawn220 at comcast.net (John Kenner) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:13:17 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> <6.0.3.0.1.20090104203621.03119b88@pop.napanet.net> Message-ID: <000d01c96f3f$c54e0fe0$4fea2fa0$@net> DON, RON WHEELERS PHONE IS 707 887 7030 HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT TR4 BODY WORK GOOD LUCK JOHN KENNER -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of don Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:42 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person >Hello fellow British car guys, I posted a query some time ago as to the whereabouts of a auto body/ paint person in the north Bay Area that has some affinity for our cars. I got a reply (it was a guy located just outside Forestville), but I can't find it now! I've located a nice TR4 but the body panel fit is not the greatest, and am wondering if there's any way to adjust stuff on a nicely painted car, or if it's too late to do this sort of work at this point without damaging the paint . Thanks! Don Scott '62 MGA Mk II '91 Miata BRG '73 MGB GT -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 01/03/2009 2:14 PM _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 10:16:29 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <4962143B.8060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <915980.27363.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That sounds good to me. I missed the last drive and very much want to see Andy's MGA. Many years ago an old friend restored one coupe and two roadsters and us kids got to turn a few nuts and polish them. Ron, after a while it will be just a distant memory. Greg, thanks for jumping in, Sarto --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Greg Tatarian wrote: > From: Greg Tatarian > Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:07 AM > Hi NOBBC members, > > As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding > gubbins, I am stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, > which would normally be scheduled for this coming Saturday. > Although it's a long-range forecast, NOAA shows clear > weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. The Wine > Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and > I've noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict > with theirs, so I suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and > those who are members of the other club and want to make > that drive can do that one without missing our drive. > > I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or > Rohnert Park, then proceed on a route I haven't yet > thought of (too early in the morning). Andy Preston has > invited the club to see his MGA project, so after the drive > members who wish to can proceed to his house. > > Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and > I'll come up with some route ideas. > > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 5 11:08:16 2009 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:08:16 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <4962143B.8060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> Hi Greg, if you're thinking of meeting in Rohnert Park or Petaluma, I'd be pleased to have you all meet at our house prior to the ride to check out progress on my MGA Coupe and my new 4 post lift. (Christmas present from Marla). There's lots of parking in the Cul-de-sac. We'd be happy to provide coffee and donuts. Happy New Year, Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:08 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive Hi NOBBC members, As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding gubbins, I am stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, which would normally be scheduled for this coming Saturday. Although it's a long-range forecast, NOAA shows clear weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. The Wine Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and I've noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict with theirs, so I suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and those who are members of the other club and want to make that drive can do that one without missing our drive. I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or Rohnert Park, then proceed on a route I haven't yet thought of (too early in the morning). Andy Preston has invited the club to see his MGA project, so after the drive members who wish to can proceed to his house. Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and I'll come up with some route ideas. Cheers, Greg Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Jan 5 11:08:48 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:08:48 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <4962143B.8060604@gmail.com> References: <20090105025117.4D82E18766E@autox.team.net> <49617A2F.4040306@sonic.net> <4962143B.8060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49624CB0.2070505@sonic.net> Thanks Greg, I'll be sorry to miss this one, sounds like the weather will be just about perfect. Have a great ride and let me know how it goes. Andy, hope to see your coupe another time! Ron 58 MGA Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi NOBBC members, > > As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding gubbins, I am > stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, which would normally be > scheduled for this coming Saturday. Although it's a long-range forecast, > NOAA shows clear weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. The > Wine Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and I've > noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict with theirs, so I > suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and those who are members of the > other club and want to make that drive can do that one without missing > our drive. > > I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or Rohnert Park, then > proceed on a route I haven't yet thought of (too early in the morning). > Andy Preston has invited the club to see his MGA project, so after the > drive members who wish to can proceed to his house. > > Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and I'll come up with > some route ideas. > > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 11:19:44 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:19:44 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> NOBBC members, Andy and Marla have offered to host a brief visit at their house prior to the drive on Saturday, and have offered to provide coffee and donuts. If we stop at the Preston's before the drive instead of after, we might want to meet earlier, say 1100, so we can depart on our drive at 1200. Please provide feedback on this idea. Cheers, Greg From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 12:09:17 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:09:17 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! Message-ID: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> I know we're not big on banter on this list, but here's something to start out the New Year with; this through my Dad, from Lyle Waggoner, who was on the Carol Burnett show (my dad was a cameraman and later the technical director for the show). I've modified it very slightly at the end... HER DIARY ~ Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment on it. Conversation wasn't flowing, so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed, but he didn't say much. I asked him what was wrong; he said, 'Nothing.' I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said he wasn't upset, that it had nothing to do with me, and not to worry about it. On the way home, I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly, and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't know why he didn't say, 'I love you, too.'When we got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there quietly, and watched TV. He continued to seem distant and absent. Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to bed.. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. To my surprise, he responded to my caress, and we made love. But I still felt that he was distracted, and his thoughts were somewhere else. He fell asleep - I cried. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else.. My life is a disaster. HIS DIARY: Lotus wouldn't start today, but at least I got laid. From tadhyke at earthlink.net Mon Jan 5 12:49:04 2009 From: tadhyke at earthlink.net (LH) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:04 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> As a woman car collector that is on this group I find this sexist crap pretty offensive. I think you should keep this stuff to your small circle of friends who might find this funny. On Jan 5, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > I know we're not big on banter on this list, but here's something > to start out the New Year with; this through my Dad, from Lyle > Waggoner, who was on the Carol Burnett show (my dad was a cameraman > and later the technical director for the show). I've modified it > very slightly at the end... > > HER DIARY ~ > Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. > We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was > shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was > upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no > comment on it. > Conversation wasn't flowing, so I suggested that we go > somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed, but he > didn't say much. I asked him what was wrong; he said, > 'Nothing.' I asked him if it was my fault that he > was upset. He said he wasn't upset, that it had nothing > to do with me, and not to worry about it. On the way home, I > told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly, and kept > driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't know > why he didn't say, 'I love you, too.'When we > got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely, as if he > wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there > quietly, and watched TV. He continued to seem distant and > absent. > Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to > bed.. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. To my > surprise, he responded to my caress, and we made love. But I > still felt that he was distracted, and his thoughts were > somewhere else. He fell asleep - I cried. I don't know > what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with > someone else.. My life is a disaster. > > HIS DIARY: > Lotus wouldn't start today, but at least I got laid. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:01:08 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:01:08 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49626704.80109@gmail.com> LH - I do beg your pardon - it wasn't my intention to offend. You are certainly correct to object, and thank you for doing so - none of us want to offend our fellow members, though I have done so. We all want this group to be respectful of its members, and apparently I slipped into jackass territory! Mea culpa... Greg LH wrote: > As a woman car collector that is on this group I find this sexist crap > pretty offensive. > I think you should keep this stuff to your small circle of friends who > might find this funny. From tadhyke at earthlink.net Mon Jan 5 13:04:18 2009 From: tadhyke at earthlink.net (LH) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:04:18 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: <49626704.80109@gmail.com> References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> <49626704.80109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23595BB3-90E1-443A-8259-2A7B2A8663DB@earthlink.net> thanks On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > LH - I do beg your pardon - it wasn't my intention to offend. You > are certainly correct to object, and thank you for doing so - none > of us want to offend our fellow members, though I have done so. We > all want this group to be respectful of its members, and apparently > I slipped into jackass territory! > Mea culpa... > Greg > > LH wrote: >> As a woman car collector that is on this group I find this sexist >> crap pretty offensive. >> I think you should keep this stuff to your small circle of friends >> who might find this funny. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:13:22 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:13:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: <23595BB3-90E1-443A-8259-2A7B2A8663DB@earthlink.net> References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> <49626704.80109@gmail.com> <23595BB3-90E1-443A-8259-2A7B2A8663DB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <496269E2.7030307@gmail.com> You're welcome, and again, thanks for saying something instead of just being angry. By the way, have we met at any of the drives? You mentioned that you are a collector - what cars, may I ask? Cheers, Greg LH wrote: > thanks > On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > >> LH - I do beg your pardon - it wasn't my intention to offend. You are >> certainly correct to object, and thank you for doing so - none of us >> want to offend our fellow members, though I have done so. We all want >> this group to be respectful of its members, and apparently I slipped >> into jackass territory! >> Mea culpa... >> Greg >> >> LH wrote: >>> As a woman car collector that is on this group I find this sexist >>> crap pretty offensive. >>> I think you should keep this stuff to your small circle of friends >>> who might find this funny. >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From santarosahunter at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 5 13:53:40 2009 From: santarosahunter at sbcglobal.net (Wayne Hunter) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:53:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person In-Reply-To: <000d01c96f3f$c54e0fe0$4fea2fa0$@net> Message-ID: <29781.938.qm@web82603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don, Another choice is my step son, Todd Bishop. He owns Dibbles Collision Works in Santa Rosa. He restored our 1966 TR4A and painted it racing green after searching the web for the correct color. We have won a couple of awards at car shows since its recent completion; however, due to my wife's health, we have not yet been on a ride with the Club. If you decide to inquire, his number is 707-542-7774. Give him my name and reference the Car Club. Wayne Hunter --- On Mon, 1/5/09, John Kenner wrote: From: John Kenner Subject: Re: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 2:13 PM DON, RON WHEELERS PHONE IS 707 887 7030 HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT TR4 BODY WORK GOOD LUCK JOHN KENNER -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of don Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:42 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] auto body/ paint person >Hello fellow British car guys, I posted a query some time ago as to the whereabouts of a auto body/ paint person in the north Bay Area that has some affinity for our cars. I got a reply (it was a guy located just outside Forestville), but I can't find it now! I've located a nice TR4 but the body panel fit is not the greatest, and am wondering if there's any way to adjust stuff on a nicely painted car, or if it's too late to do this sort of work at this point without damaging the paint . Thanks! Don Scott '62 MGA Mk II '91 Miata BRG '73 MGB GT -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 01/03/2009 2:14 PM _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tadhyke at earthlink.net Mon Jan 5 13:54:30 2009 From: tadhyke at earthlink.net (LH) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:54:30 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: <496269E2.7030307@gmail.com> References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> <49626704.80109@gmail.com> <23595BB3-90E1-443A-8259-2A7B2A8663DB@earthlink.net> <496269E2.7030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: I never stay angry, I just get even (see I do have a sense of humour. Yes, you have met me but not of late....I have many cars. On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > You're welcome, and again, thanks for saying something instead of > just being angry. By the way, have we met at any of the drives? You > mentioned that you are a collector - what cars, may I ask? > Cheers, > Greg > > > LH wrote: >> thanks >> On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: >> >>> LH - I do beg your pardon - it wasn't my intention to offend. You >>> are certainly correct to object, and thank you for doing so - >>> none of us want to offend our fellow members, though I have done >>> so. We all want this group to be respectful of its members, and >>> apparently I slipped into jackass territory! >>> Mea culpa... >>> Greg >>> >>> LH wrote: >>>> As a woman car collector that is on this group I find this >>>> sexist crap pretty offensive. >>>> I think you should keep this stuff to your small circle of >>>> friends who might find this funny. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 14:23:24 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:23:24 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Humor! In-Reply-To: References: <49625ADD.8040404@gmail.com> <8FEA618B-3610-4002-9E5B-C047D85714C4@earthlink.net> <49626704.80109@gmail.com> <23595BB3-90E1-443A-8259-2A7B2A8663DB@earthlink.net> <496269E2.7030307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49627A4C.6070000@gmail.com> I met someone at the last Palo Alto British car show who is an avid collector of microcars - would that perchance be yourself? If so, you might have seen the 3 Vespa 400 microcars that were on eBay recently - the whole lot sold for $7600, though I think the Isetta is more interesting. Also, I heard rumors that BMW has a new electric 4-wheel Isetta on the market. Cheers, Greg LH wrote: > > Yes, you have met me but not of late....I have many cars. From wbain at sonic.net Mon Jan 5 14:29:11 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:29:11 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <27E6BA2A-822F-45DC-9EDA-D60348E15026@sonic.net> Hi Andy, Great offer for the next run. I would love to see the MGA Coupe's progress. Don't think this should be too tough a sell. Greg's suggestion of starting at 11 am seems a good idea. Cheers, Wendell 59 Morgan +4 On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:08 AM, andy preston wrote: > Hi Greg, if you're thinking of meeting in Rohnert Park or Petaluma, > I'd be > pleased to have you all meet at our house prior to the ride to > check out > progress on my MGA Coupe and my new 4 post lift. (Christmas present > from > Marla). There's lots of parking in the Cul-de-sac. We'd be happy to > provide coffee and donuts. > > Happy New Year, > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:08 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive > > Hi NOBBC members, > > As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding gubbins, I am > stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, which would normally be > scheduled for this coming Saturday. Although it's a long-range > forecast, > NOAA shows clear weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. The > Wine Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and I've > noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict with theirs, so I > suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and those who are members of > the > other club and want to make that drive can do that one without missing > our drive. > > I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or Rohnert Park, > then > proceed on a route I haven't yet thought of (too early in the > morning). > Andy Preston has invited the club to see his MGA project, so after the > drive members who wish to can proceed to his house. > > Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and I'll come up > with > some route ideas. > > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From dawson at authorspublishing.com Mon Jan 5 15:00:53 2009 From: dawson at authorspublishing.com (Dawson Church) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:00:53 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <27E6BA2A-822F-45DC-9EDA-D60348E15026@sonic.net> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> <27E6BA2A-822F-45DC-9EDA-D60348E15026@sonic.net> Message-ID: I'm in, so is my son Lionel (20), who some of you met on a previous ride. Please email address. Dawson Church On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:29 PM, wendell bain wrote: > Hi Andy, > Great offer for the next run. I would love to see the MGA Coupe's > progress. Don't think this should be too tough a sell. Greg's > suggestion > of starting at 11 am seems a good idea. > > Cheers, > > Wendell > 59 Morgan +4 > > On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:08 AM, andy preston wrote: > >> Hi Greg, if you're thinking of meeting in Rohnert Park or Petaluma, >> I'd be >> pleased to have you all meet at our house prior to the ride to >> check out >> progress on my MGA Coupe and my new 4 post lift. (Christmas present >> from >> Marla). There's lots of parking in the Cul-de-sac. We'd be happy to >> provide coffee and donuts. >> >> Happy New Year, >> >> Andy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] On >> Behalf Of Greg Tatarian >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:08 AM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive >> >> Hi NOBBC members, >> >> As Ron is sidelined with recuperating from exploding gubbins, I am >> stepping in to organize the upcoming drive, which would normally be >> scheduled for this coming Saturday. Although it's a long-range >> forecast, >> NOAA shows clear weather on Saturday, with temps in the upper 60s. >> The >> Wine Country car club has its drive the following Saturday, and I've >> noticed poorer attendance when our drives conflict with theirs, so I >> suggest we keep to our scheduled date, and those who are members of >> the >> other club and want to make that drive can do that one without >> missing >> our drive. >> >> I am also suggesting we meet up in either Petaluma or Rohnert Park, >> then >> proceed on a route I haven't yet thought of (too early in the >> morning). >> Andy Preston has invited the club to see his MGA project, so after >> the >> drive members who wish to can proceed to his house. >> >> Please let us all know how this plan sounds to you and I'll come up >> with >> some route ideas. >> >> Cheers, >> Greg Tatarian >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sirplb at aol.com Mon Jan 5 16:09:57 2009 From: sirplb at aol.com (sirplb at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:09:57 -0500 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive In-Reply-To: <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB3DA1DC7F9BC3-102C-7C4@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Hi G, Weather permitting and if the JH is outta the shop, I'd like to come along. Cheers, Pat 74 JH From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 16:20:53 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:20:53 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <8CB3DA1DC7F9BC3-102C-7C4@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> <8CB3DA1DC7F9BC3-102C-7C4@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <496295D5.4010900@gmail.com> Andy, It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? Would you please post an email with directions and your address for members? Members: I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill Road to Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to 12, west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with some open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? Cheers, Greg From lgardini at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 5 19:27:21 2009 From: lgardini at sbcglobal.net (lgardini at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Subject: FW: Humor! Message-ID: <20090106022739.1990218766E@autox.team.net> Greg, It sounds like someone else's car wouldn't start this morning. Please keep me on your "small list of friends". Larry Gardini From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 5 19:35:19 2009 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:35:19 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <496295D5.4010900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net> Greg, et al, sounds like a great ride. You can't do Trinity too many times, especially at this time of year with the moss growing on the trees. Let's agree as Greg suggested to meet at our house at 11:00 for a departure at noon. That will give us lots of time to check out the MGA Coupe progress, kick tires and have some coffee. Our address is 7305 Reba Way, Rohnert Park, Ca 94928. 707 795 3480. Google directions or follow below. >From 101 Northbound take the Wilfred Ave/East Cotati exit, turn right on Wilfred Ave, continue onto E. Cotati Ave at the traffic signals, (watch your speed in Cotati, very aggressive cops), turn left on Roman (just after traffic signals at Snyder Lane), turn right onto Rosanna, turn left onto Reba Way. >From 101 Southbound, take the Rohnert Park Expressway exit, turn left onto R.P. Expressway, turn right onto Snyder, turn left onto Rosanna, and turn left onto Reba Way. Look forward to seeing you all on Saturday. Andy and Marla. -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:21 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location Andy, It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? Would you please post an email with directions and your address for members? Members: I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill Road to Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to 12, west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with some open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? Cheers, Greg _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From jarbunic at pacbell.net Mon Jan 5 19:52:56 2009 From: jarbunic at pacbell.net (Joe Arbunic) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:52:56 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <496295D5.4010900@gmail.com> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> <8CB3DA1DC7F9BC3-102C-7C4@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <496295D5.4010900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4962C788.6000602@pacbell.net> Greg, I am one of the founding members but have not had a chance to meet you yet, (got to get my B together. Just wanted to tell you my reaction to the humor you sent earlier. I thought it was funny and shared it with my wife who also enjoyed it. Her comment, "there is some truth in that..." We must not take ourselves too seriously and enjoy the differences. Our departed Steve always introduced a little humor into our communications and miss that. Happy to see it is not completely gone... Joe Arbunic '72 MGB Greg Tatarian wrote: > Andy, > > It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting > positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and > ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? > Would you please post an email with directions and your address for > members? > > Members: > I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill Road > to Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to > 12, west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general > vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during > the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with > some open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? > > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Jan 5 20:12:53 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:12:53 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net> References: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4962CC35.1010302@sonic.net> Dang! I don't mind missing a ride but this sounds like a GREAT ride. Heh, have a good time, I'll be thinking of you all. Ron 58 MGA andy preston wrote: > Greg, et al, sounds like a great ride. You can't do Trinity too many times, > especially at this time of year with the moss growing on the trees. Let's > agree as Greg suggested to meet at our house at 11:00 for a departure at > noon. That will give us lots of time to check out the MGA Coupe progress, > kick tires and have some coffee. Our address is 7305 Reba Way, Rohnert > Park, Ca 94928. 707 795 3480. Google directions or follow below. > >>From 101 Northbound take the Wilfred Ave/East Cotati exit, turn right on > Wilfred Ave, continue onto E. Cotati Ave at the traffic signals, (watch your > speed in Cotati, very aggressive cops), turn left on Roman (just after > traffic signals at Snyder Lane), turn right onto Rosanna, turn left onto > Reba Way. > >>From 101 Southbound, take the Rohnert Park Expressway exit, turn left onto > R.P. Expressway, turn right onto Snyder, turn left onto Rosanna, and turn > left onto Reba Way. > > Look forward to seeing you all on Saturday. > > Andy and Marla. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:21 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location > > Andy, > > It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting > positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and > ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? Would > you please post an email with directions and your address for members? > > Members: > I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill Road to > Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to 12, > west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general > vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during > the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with some > open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? > > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Jan 5 20:15:00 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:15:00 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <4962C788.6000602@pacbell.net> References: <20090105180830.66D80187891@autox.team.net> <49624F40.3050609@gmail.com> <8CB3DA1DC7F9BC3-102C-7C4@WEBMAIL-MZ16.sysops.aol.com> <496295D5.4010900@gmail.com> <4962C788.6000602@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <4962CCB4.3070600@sonic.net> Too true Joe, Steve loved to "stir the pot" and he was the king of politically incorrect. Miss his twisted sense of humor. Ron 58 MGA Joe Arbunic wrote: > Greg, > > I am one of the founding members but have not had a chance to meet you > yet, (got to get my B together. Just wanted to tell you my reaction to > the humor you sent earlier. I thought it was funny and shared it with > my wife who also enjoyed it. Her comment, "there is some truth in > that..." We must not take ourselves too seriously and enjoy the > differences. Our departed Steve always introduced a little humor into > our communications and miss that. Happy to see it is not completely > gone... > > Joe Arbunic > '72 MGB > > Greg Tatarian wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting >> positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and >> ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? >> Would you please post an email with directions and your address for >> members? >> >> Members: >> I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill Road >> to Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to >> 12, west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general >> vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during >> the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with >> some open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? >> >> Cheers, >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From home at drummondlaw.com Mon Jan 5 21:05:44 2009 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:05:44 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Subject: FW: Humor! In-Reply-To: <20090106022739.1990218766E@autox.team.net> References: <20090106022739.1990218766E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Greg, Ditto re Larry's comment. No apologies required. The thing that makes any joke funny is the kernel of truth lying within. Heaven help us if we can't laugh at ourselves. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of lgardini at sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:27 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] Subject: FW: Humor! Greg, It sounds like someone else's car wouldn't start this morning. Please keep me on your "small list of friends". Larry Gardini _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Tue Jan 6 11:21:33 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:21:33 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net> References: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <58C18BA1-4BD1-44F4-9D88-A7582972C689@sonic.net> Hi Andy and group This sounds like a great run. See you Saturday. Cheers, Wendell On Jan 5, 2009, at 6:35 PM, andy preston wrote: > Greg, et al, sounds like a great ride. You can't do Trinity too > many times, > especially at this time of year with the moss growing on the > trees. Let's > agree as Greg suggested to meet at our house at 11:00 for a > departure at > noon. That will give us lots of time to check out the MGA Coupe > progress, > kick tires and have some coffee. Our address is 7305 Reba Way, > Rohnert > Park, Ca 94928. 707 795 3480. Google directions or follow below. > >> From 101 Northbound take the Wilfred Ave/East Cotati exit, turn >> right on > Wilfred Ave, continue onto E. Cotati Ave at the traffic signals, > (watch your > speed in Cotati, very aggressive cops), turn left on Roman (just after > traffic signals at Snyder Lane), turn right onto Rosanna, turn left > onto > Reba Way. > >> From 101 Southbound, take the Rohnert Park Expressway exit, turn >> left onto > R.P. Expressway, turn right onto Snyder, turn left onto Rosanna, > and turn > left onto Reba Way. > > Look forward to seeing you all on Saturday. > > Andy and Marla. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:21 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, > location > > Andy, > > It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting > positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and > ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? > Would > you please post an email with directions and your address for members? > > Members: > I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill > Road to > Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to 12, > west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general > vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during > the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with > some > open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? > > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From frenchyquebec at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 11:19:13 2009 From: frenchyquebec at yahoo.com (gilles LeSage) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:19:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Message-ID: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country drivers? Can I get more info on this? Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Jan 6 14:46:50 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:46:50 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he used to join our rides many years ago. Ron 58 MGA gilles LeSage wrote: > Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to > learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country > drivers? Can I get more info on this? > Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 14:57:01 2009 From: norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com (Norman Weinfeld) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:57:01 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> Message-ID: Ron, He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join the list. Best, Norm Weinfeld From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he used to join our rides many years ago. Ron 58 MGA gilles LeSage wrote: > Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to > learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country > drivers? Can I get more info on this? > Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Jan 6 15:04:45 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:04:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> Heh, I sent it to him also, hope he takes the time to join. Does he have a customized XK140 (or 150)? If so he used to join us on our rides years in the past. Ron 58 MGA Norman Weinfeld wrote: > Ron, > > He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join the list. > > Best, > > Norm Weinfeld > > > From: Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives > > > Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not > receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him > the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he > used to join our rides many years ago. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > gilles LeSage wrote: > >>Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to >>learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country >>drivers? Can I get more info on this? >>Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 15:16:11 2009 From: norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com (Norman Weinfeld) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:16:11 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> <4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> <4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> Message-ID: It's a pretty radically customized XK120. Has to be seen to be believed... Some photos at my phanfare album called Jim and Mary Christian's Ragtop Tour at: http://tinyurl.com/8w9q7u Norm '55 XK140 DHC From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:04 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Heh, I sent it to him also, hope he takes the time to join. Does he have a customized XK140 (or 150)? If so he used to join us on our rides years in the past. Ron 58 MGA Norman Weinfeld wrote: > Ron, > > He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join the list. > > Best, > > Norm Weinfeld > > > From: Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives > > > Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not > receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him > the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he > used to join our rides many years ago. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > gilles LeSage wrote: > >>Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to >>learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country >>drivers? Can I get more info on this? >>Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Jan 6 18:15:58 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:15:58 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> <4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4964024E.5080901@sonic.net> Thanks Norm, it is the same car. He would drive up from Marin a few years back to join our club rides. The car is a definite attention getter. It is wider than a normal 120 but you really can't tell by looking at first glance, nice body work! Ron 58 MGA Norman Weinfeld wrote: > It's a pretty radically customized XK120. Has to be seen to be believed... > Some photos at my phanfare album called Jim and Mary Christian's Ragtop Tour > at: > > http://tinyurl.com/8w9q7u > > Norm > '55 XK140 DHC > > > From: Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:04 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives > > > Heh, I sent it to him also, hope he takes the time to join. Does he have > a customized XK140 (or 150)? If so he used to join us on our rides years > in the past. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > > Norman Weinfeld wrote: > >>Ron, >> >>He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join the list. >> >>Best, >> >>Norm Weinfeld >> >> >>From: Ron Engelhardt >>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM >>To: North Bay British Car Club >>Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives >> >> >>Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not >>receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him >>the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he >>used to join our rides many years ago. >> >>Ron >>58 MGA >> >>gilles LeSage wrote: >> >> >>>Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to >>>learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country >>>drivers? Can I get more info on this? >>>Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Nobbc mailing list >>>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 19:19:38 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:19:38 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Message-ID: Thanks for handling this Ron. As I was performing a 110k mile service on Trish's Tacoma I saw a rear axle seal failed and the bearing not far behind. Now have to replace the rear shoes just replaced 5k ago, and get new bearings and ABS retainers pressed on to the axles, yaddah yaddah. What struck me was the cost - 400 bucks for parts alone, plus machine shop charges. I was starting to feel like Lotus and Triumph bearings were expensive! It is sometimes remarkable how reasonable costs can be for other than esoteric classic cars. Or Jags... ;-) Has anyone bought a new classic in these past months of softening prices? See you all on Saturday, and really looking forward to seeing Gilles' 120. I drove a modified 120 many years ago - quite a handful. Cheers, Greg ------Original Message------ From: Ron Engelhardt Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Sent: Jan 6, 2009 1:46 PM Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he used to join our rides many years ago. Ron 58 MGA gilles LeSage wrote: > Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to > learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country > drivers? Can I get more info on this? > Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 19:25:25 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:25:25 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location In-Reply-To: <58C18BA1-4BD1-44F4-9D88-A7582972C689@sonic.net> References: <20090106023532.B6F6D187873@autox.team.net><58C18BA1-4BD1-44F4-9D88-A7582972C689@sonic.net> Message-ID: Cool Wendell - haven't seen you or the Morgan for awhile. Cheers, Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: wendell bain Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:21:33 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, location Hi Andy and group This sounds like a great run. See you Saturday. Cheers, Wendell On Jan 5, 2009, at 6:35 PM, andy preston wrote: > Greg, et al, sounds like a great ride. You can't do Trinity too > many times, > especially at this time of year with the moss growing on the > trees. Let's > agree as Greg suggested to meet at our house at 11:00 for a > departure at > noon. That will give us lots of time to check out the MGA Coupe > progress, > kick tires and have some coffee. Our address is 7305 Reba Way, > Rohnert > Park, Ca 94928. 707 795 3480. Google directions or follow below. > >> From 101 Northbound take the Wilfred Ave/East Cotati exit, turn >> right on > Wilfred Ave, continue onto E. Cotati Ave at the traffic signals, > (watch your > speed in Cotati, very aggressive cops), turn left on Roman (just after > traffic signals at Snyder Lane), turn right onto Rosanna, turn left > onto > Reba Way. > >> From 101 Southbound, take the Rohnert Park Expressway exit, turn >> left onto > R.P. Expressway, turn right onto Snyder, turn left onto Rosanna, > and turn > left onto Reba Way. > > Look forward to seeing you all on Saturday. > > Andy and Marla. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:21 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Next scheduled drive, route, meeting time, > location > > Andy, > > It sounds like meeting at your house before the drive is getting > positive response. Shall we say 11am on Saturday, Jan. 10 we meet and > ogle the MGA project, then depart around 12 or before for a drive? > Would > you please post an email with directions and your address for members? > > Members: > I'm working up a route, preliminarily to go along Petaluma Hill > Road to > Grange to Bennett Valley Rd., east to 12, over Trinity, down 29 to 12, > west to 116, then back up Adobe Road, dispersing from that general > vicinity? Modifications/stops can all be incorporated before or during > the drive. This route will give us the twisty roads up front, with > some > open road to stretch out on the way back. Sound OK? > > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 20:44:38 2009 From: norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com (Norman Weinfeld) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net><4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> <4964024E.5080901@sonic.net> References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net><4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> <4964024E.5080901@sonic.net> Message-ID: Ron, Confused you say? Possibly because it has a 140 front grille and rear badging. Plus a Cobra engine I guess it is. And yes, truly astonishing detail work. A "Special Edition" for sure. Norm From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:15 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives Thanks Norm, it is the same car. He would drive up from Marin a few years back to join our club rides. The car is a definite attention getter. It is wider than a normal 120 but you really can't tell by looking at first glance, nice body work! Ron 58 MGA Norman Weinfeld wrote: > It's a pretty radically customized XK120. Has to be seen to be believed... > Some photos at my phanfare album called Jim and Mary Christian's Ragtop Tour > at: > > http://tinyurl.com/8w9q7u > > Norm > '55 XK140 DHC > > > From: Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:04 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives > > > Heh, I sent it to him also, hope he takes the time to join. Does he have > a customized XK140 (or 150)? If so he used to join us on our rides years > in the past. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > > Norman Weinfeld wrote: > >>Ron, >> >>He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join the list. >> >>Best, >> >>Norm Weinfeld >> >> >>From: Ron Engelhardt >>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM >>To: North Bay British Car Club >>Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives >> >> >>Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may not >>receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc him >>the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I think he >>used to join our rides many years ago. >> >>Ron >>58 MGA >> >>gilles LeSage wrote: >> >> >>>Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and would like to >>>learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine Country >>>drivers? Can I get more info on this? >>>Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Nobbc mailing list >>>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Wed Jan 7 13:54:52 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:54:52 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives In-Reply-To: References: <414639.39792.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4963D14A.3050104@sonic.net> <4963D57D.4020606@sonic.net> Message-ID: Norman, Nice slide show. Thanks. Wendell 59 Morgan +4 On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Norman Weinfeld wrote: > It's a pretty radically customized XK120. Has to be seen to be > believed... > Some photos at my phanfare album called Jim and Mary Christian's > Ragtop Tour > at: > > http://tinyurl.com/8w9q7u > > Norm > '55 XK140 DHC > > > From: Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:04 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives > > > Heh, I sent it to him also, hope he takes the time to join. Does he > have > a customized XK140 (or 150)? If so he used to join us on our rides > years > in the past. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > > Norman Weinfeld wrote: >> Ron, >> >> He cc'd me on his request and I already sent him the URL to join >> the list. >> >> Best, >> >> Norm Weinfeld >> >> >> From: Ron Engelhardt >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:46 PM >> To: North Bay British Car Club >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Cqr club drives >> >> >> Andy and Greg, Gil's posts will get through to the list but he may >> not >> receive any replies until after he joins the list. If you could cc >> him >> the details at frenchyquebec at yahoo.com that would be great. I >> think he >> used to join our rides many years ago. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> gilles LeSage wrote: >> >>> Would like to be on e-mail list of all driving activities and >>> would like to >>> learn more about the Sat drive, Jan 24th??organized by the Wine >>> Country >>> drivers? Can I get more info on this? >>> Thanks Gil LeSage, Jaguar Associate Group. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 14:38:49 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:38:49 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: <4967C3E9.5080106@gmail.com> Howdy NOBBC members; Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where we can all disperse as needed. Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by those assembled. In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. Cheers, Greg From tonykorman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 9 14:43:28 2009 From: tonykorman at sbcglobal.net (tonykorman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: My motto. Sun out top down Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed Thanks Tony 76 TR6 ------Original Message------ From: Greg Tatarian Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Howdy NOBBC members; Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where we can all disperse as needed. Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by those assembled. In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. Cheers, Greg _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From wbain at sonic.net Fri Jan 9 14:47:06 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:47:06 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <4967C3E9.5080106@gmail.com> References: <4967C3E9.5080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg and NOBBC members: I know the Morgan has a top.... Somewhere out in the garage. It's been on the car I think three times since 1977 when I bought the car. It would be a more difficult task if you had asked those with open cars to show up with the top up!!!! Cheers, Wendell On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > Howdy NOBBC members; > Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at > Andy and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously > provided directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert > Park, CA. The street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't > miss it. > After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which > will take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, > east on Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on > Trinity, down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down > 29/121 to 12, west on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on > 116 to Lakeville, where we can all disperse as needed. Any > suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by > those assembled. > In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 > contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet > has been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great > drive. > Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Fri Jan 9 14:51:13 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:51:13 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> References: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <09ECDBCF-53B6-48EA-A34B-6488B5551955@sonic.net> Hi Tony, Dutton Radiator in Santa Rosa has been good to me in the past. Older guy that remembers radiators that didn't have plastic upper and lower tanks and knows how to fix them. Hope this helps. Cheers, Wendell Morgan +4 On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:43 PM, tonykorman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > My motto. Sun out top down > Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to > see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed > Thanks > Tony > 76 TR6 > ------Original Message------ > From: Greg Tatarian > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: North Bay British Car Club > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive > > Howdy NOBBC members; > Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy > and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided > directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The > street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. > After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will > take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on > Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, > down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, > west > on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, > where > we can all disperse as needed. > Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made > tomorrow by > those assembled. > In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 > contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has > been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. > Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 14:51:17 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:51:17 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <20090109214433.23DEA1878B1@autox.team.net> References: <20090109214433.23DEA1878B1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4967C6D5.5030201@gmail.com> I do; Dutton Radiator Service, 181 Sebastopol Road. I've taken 5 rads there in the past 4 years for work, both for my cars, for spares, and for resale. They've done a great job each time. Also, I have told them that I am a member of several clubs and I pass the word around; try telling them I referred them and see if they will give you a small price break - can't hurt to ask. They probably know me by the name Greg's Brit-Italia, but it depends on who you talk to. Cheers, Greg tonykorman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > My motto. Sun out top down > Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed > Thanks > Tony > 76 TR6 > ------Original Message------ > From: Greg Tatarian > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: North Bay British Car Club > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive > > Howdy NOBBC members; > Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy > and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided > directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The > street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. > After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will > take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on > Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, > down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west > on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where > we can all disperse as needed. > Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by > those assembled. > In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 > contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has > been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. > Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tonykorman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 9 14:54:43 2009 From: tonykorman at sbcglobal.net (tonykorman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:54:43 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <4967C6D5.5030201@gmail.com> References: <20090109214433.23DEA1878B1@autox.team.net><4967C6D5.5030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Many thanks Tony Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Greg Tatarian Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:51:17 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive I do; Dutton Radiator Service, 181 Sebastopol Road. I've taken 5 rads there in the past 4 years for work, both for my cars, for spares, and for resale. They've done a great job each time. Also, I have told them that I am a member of several clubs and I pass the word around; try telling them I referred them and see if they will give you a small price break - can't hurt to ask. They probably know me by the name Greg's Brit-Italia, but it depends on who you talk to. Cheers, Greg tonykorman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > My motto. Sun out top down > Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed > Thanks > Tony > 76 TR6 > ------Original Message------ > From: Greg Tatarian > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: North Bay British Car Club > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive > > Howdy NOBBC members; > Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy > and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided > directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The > street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. > After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will > take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on > Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, > down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west > on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where > we can all disperse as needed. > Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by > those assembled. > In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 > contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has > been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. > Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET Fri Jan 9 14:57:46 2009 From: FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET (JULIA KENNER) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:57:46 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> References: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000b01c972a5$4ef1a780$ecd4f680$@NET> IF YOU ARE CLOSE TO MARIN MILL VALLEY AUTO RADIATOR IN GREENBREA IS TOP NOTCH. JOHN KENNER -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tonykorman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:43 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive My motto. Sun out top down Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed Thanks Tony 76 TR6 ------Original Message------ From: Greg Tatarian Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Howdy NOBBC members; Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where we can all disperse as needed. Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by those assembled. In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. Cheers, Greg _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Fri Jan 9 15:38:43 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> References: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4967D1F3.1060606@sonic.net> I strongly recommend Dutton Radiator on Sebastopol Rd. The first time I went there, the guy recognized my radiator befroe I had to tell him what car it was for! They have done several radiators for me over the years with excellent results. Last time, I had a modern style core fixed to my original MGA tanks. It still looks period and I haven't had any cooling problems (well, except that I need an oil cooler, on my short list). It sure looks like a top down funday for Nobbc on Saturday. Wish I was in shape to join in! Ron 58 MGA tonykorman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > My motto. Sun out top down > Does anyone have a recommendation of a radiator shop. Starting to see bits of green from the top and want to get this addressed > Thanks > Tony > 76 TR6 > ------Original Message------ > From: Greg Tatarian > Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: North Bay British Car Club > ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive > > Howdy NOBBC members; > Just a reminder that tomorrow is our drive. We'll meet at 11am at Andy > and Marla Preston's house in Rohnert Park. He previously provided > directions, but you can also Google Rebas Way, Rohnert Park, CA. The > street is short, ending at a cul-de-sac, so you won't miss it. > After hanging out for awhile, we'll take off on our drive, which will > take us up Petaluma Hill Road, east on Crane Canyon to Grange, east on > Bennett Valley Road, up Warm Springs Road, Down 12, east on Trinity, > down Dry Creek Road, east on Redwood Rd/Trancas, down 29/121 to 12, west > on 12 to Arnold/116 heading north, then west on 116 to Lakeville, where > we can all disperse as needed. > Any suggestions for route changes or food stops can be made tomorrow by > those assembled. > In my 3 mile bike ride to and from the Post Office just now I saw 5 > contemporary convertible cars with their tops down - the gauntlet has > been thrown, so put down your tops and we should have a great drive. > Any questions, email me or call my cell phone: 707-570-5808. > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 16:30:29 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:30:29 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <4967D1F3.1060606@sonic.net> References: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> <4967D1F3.1060606@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4967DE15.5020103@gmail.com> Hi Ron, What modern core was used? I assume it was some solderable metal as opposed to aluminum, since it had to be soldered to the brass tanks, correct? Cheers, Greg Ron Engelhardt wrote: > I strongly recommend Dutton Radiator on Sebastopol Rd. The first time > I went there, the guy recognized my radiator befroe I had to tell him > what car it was for! They have done several radiators for me over the > years with excellent results. Last time, I had a modern style core > fixed to my original MGA tanks. It still looks period and I haven't > had any cooling problems (well, except that I need an oil cooler, on > my short list). > > It sure looks like a top down funday for Nobbc on Saturday. Wish I was > in shape to join in! > > Ron > 58 MGA From CTWehn at cs.com Fri Jan 9 17:27:01 2009 From: CTWehn at cs.com (CTWehn at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:27:01 EST Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: Ron, Patty and I will take lots of pictures for you to see on Saturday. p.s. Harris Radiator on the north end of Healdsburg does good work too. Charlie TR6,7,8 From rlmossholder at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 18:13:54 2009 From: rlmossholder at comcast.net (rlmossholder at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:13:54 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: <011020090113.6795.4967F65200016E2600001A8B22058844849D0A0B0401089C9C0103049D@comcast.net> Sure sounds like a great drive, I wish I could be there too. The Spitfire needs a little more TLC before I make any more trips in it. Since the last time I joined in on a ride I have made two 600 mile road trips in it. I am now experiencing a little water in my oil. I believe it's from the head gasket. I also have a vibration in the drive shaft which needs to be addressed. Upon inspection, it looked to be slightly bent. I have changed all the u-joints and the vibration persists. I think the next step will be to have the drive shaft balanced. Any recommendations for a drive line shop in the Santa Rosa area? Thanks, and have a great time tomorrow. Rich M From gtwincams at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 18:28:21 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:28:21 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: Defnitely; Johnny Franklin's in Santa Rosa. Good luck with the projects! Greg ------Original Message------ From: rlmossholder at comcast.net Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:13 PM Sure sounds like a great drive, I wish I could be there too. The Spitfire needs a little more TLC before I make any more trips in it. Since the last time I joined in on a ride I have made two 600 mile road trips in it. I am now experiencing a little water in my oil. I believe it's from the head gasket. I also have a vibration in the drive shaft which needs to be addressed. Upon inspection, it looked to be slightly bent. I have changed all the u-joints and the vibration persists. I think the next step will be to have the drive shaft balanced. Any recommendations for a drive line shop in the Santa Rosa area? Thanks, and have a great time tomorrow. Rich M _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From nobbc at sonic.net Fri Jan 9 18:48:51 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:48:51 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <4967DE15.5020103@gmail.com> References: <20090109214433.120601878A6@autox.team.net> <4967D1F3.1060606@sonic.net> <4967DE15.5020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4967FE83.5060108@sonic.net> The first time I had it done I insisted on a core that was identical to the original although they warned me it wasn't a good idea as the MGA tanks leave little room for solder. It lasted quite a while but did eventually start seeping where the core was soldered to the top tank. So the next time, I followed advice and put in the "modern" style core. I don't really recall the difference, maybe more rows, but it STILL looked like the original only functioned better. I'm sure they were both made of brass. They even soldered on the original works brass tag. I'm very happy with the job they did and also with radiators they did for other cars I've had including one with a plastic (of all things!) radiator. In my younger days, I can remember taking a torch, wire brush, solder and patching radiators...what a pain, better left to the experts. Dutton even paints the radiator the correct color (black for the MGA) for you. They look better than new when you pick them up and the prices have always seemed reasonable. Maybe we need a list of recommended vendors on the website with member reviews. I would certainly nominate Dutton Radiator, Ron Wheeler, and Monroe Tire! Ron 58 MGA Greg Tatarian wrote: > Hi Ron, > What modern core was used? I assume it was some solderable metal as > opposed to aluminum, since it had to be soldered to the brass tanks, > correct? > Cheers, > Greg > > > Ron Engelhardt wrote: > >> I strongly recommend Dutton Radiator on Sebastopol Rd. The first time >> I went there, the guy recognized my radiator befroe I had to tell him >> what car it was for! They have done several radiators for me over the >> years with excellent results. Last time, I had a modern style core >> fixed to my original MGA tanks. It still looks period and I haven't >> had any cooling problems (well, except that I need an oil cooler, on >> my short list). >> >> It sure looks like a top down funday for Nobbc on Saturday. Wish I was >> in shape to join in! >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From Cem2col at aol.com Sat Jan 10 12:51:48 2009 From: Cem2col at aol.com (Cem2col at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:51:48 EST Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive Message-ID: Hello Rich M A few years back, I took my '53 Sunbeam Alpine drive shaft to Drive Line Service at 3132 Coffey Lane 528-7886. The drive shaft was cleaned and balanced and quickly done to my satisfaction. Happy motoring Charles 50 Mk V DHC Jaguar 53 Mk 1 Sunbeam Alpine 85 XJ6 Jaguar ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From gtwincams at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 17:39:08 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:39:08 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Message-ID: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> Wow! Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, or was the TR6 having troubles? Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and meeting up with us in Napa. Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 Charlie and Patty TR8 John Lotus Elan S2 Dan (Jag XJ) Sarto Elan S3 Coupe Andy and Marla MGB roadster Gerry Mercedes roadster Wendell Morgan Dawson Rolls Royce Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type Dean and Maria TR6 Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 Cheers! Greg and Trish Tatarian From wbain at sonic.net Sat Jan 10 18:05:36 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:05:36 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] NOBBC Tour 10 January Message-ID: Hi Andy, Marla, Greg and Trish, Thanks very much for hosting the coffee and goodies this am at above event. The MGA Coupe looks great. You are doing a very nice job on the restoration. When it's done you'll be afraid to drive it!! Greg and Trish, Thanks for hosting a great little run through the Wine Country. Genova's is a great deli. A bit of a wait, but worth it!! Lots of fun. Good turnout. Cheers, Wendell Morgan +4 From techyes at pacbell.net Sat Jan 10 18:08:11 2009 From: techyes at pacbell.net (Sheryl) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:08:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Message-ID: <584306.65283.qm@web83606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Beautiful day and a great drive! Thanks Greg & Trish, Sheryl & Dennis MGB x 2 ________________________________ From: Greg Tatarian To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39:08 PM Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Wow! Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, or was the TR6 having troubles? Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and meeting up with us in Napa. Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 Charlie and Patty TR8 John Lotus Elan S2 Dan (Jag XJ) Sarto Elan S3 Coupe Andy and Marla MGB roadster Gerry Mercedes roadster Wendell Morgan Dawson Rolls Royce Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type Dean and Maria TR6 Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 Cheers! Greg and Trish Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Jan 10 18:38:09 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:38:09 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> References: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49694D81.9080708@sonic.net> Dang! Sounds like I missed a good ride. Thanks Greg, Trish, Andy and Marla for showing what a great club we have. I look forward to the pictures. Ron 58 MGA (hibernating for a while longer) Greg Tatarian wrote: > Wow! > > Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't > prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to > keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there > was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to > crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one > member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him > another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first > light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again > until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. > > Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, > or was the TR6 having troubles? > > Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to > end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting > in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was > the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this > drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth > it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a > lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. > > Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of > folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too > nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, > Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and > meeting up with us in Napa. > > Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a > fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks > did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. > > The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; > > Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 > Charlie and Patty TR8 > John Lotus Elan S2 > Dan (Jag XJ) > Sarto Elan S3 Coupe > Andy and Marla MGB roadster > Gerry Mercedes roadster > Wendell Morgan > Dawson Rolls Royce > Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat > Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type > Dean and Maria TR6 > Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 > > Cheers! > > Greg and Trish Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 19:41:47 2009 From: norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com (Norman Weinfeld) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:41:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> <49694D81.9080708@sonic.net> References: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> <49694D81.9080708@sonic.net> Message-ID: Rats! RATS!!!!! And maxima apologia to Andy and Marla particularly for holding up the parade. I must've been with a few blocks if the joint too. Took a turnoff marked Wilfred Ave. but NOT also East Cotati. Mistake I'm guessing. Drove along until it was clear things weren't as they should be and pulled into a gas station and asked a friendly lad if he knew where East Cotati was. Absolutely came the reply! Turned out he didn't, or, more likely, I got the directions wrong (a specialty of chez moi). Went (again) until it was clear things had gone awry and called Marla. Got more directions, some of which I was able to hear over the traffic noise (I don't come equipped with cell-phone ears...). Decided the GPS would save the day. It didn't. Think it took me back home, probably because I didn't cancel the last "trip." Realized this when it told me to get back on 101 going south... RATS!!!! Hope you guys were able to catch up with the group and that I'll be able to see that coupe of yours one these days. And it sounded like such a great ride too. RAAAAATTTTTSSSSS!!!! Car drove great though. On the effing freeway... Still, 'way prettier freeway up in your neck of the woods. Norm Weinfeld (now sadly back in) San Francisco '55 XK140 DHC From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:38 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Dang! Sounds like I missed a good ride. Thanks Greg, Trish, Andy and Marla for showing what a great club we have. I look forward to the pictures. Ron 58 MGA (hibernating for a while longer) Greg Tatarian wrote: > Wow! > > Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't > prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to > keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there > was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to > crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one > member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him > another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first > light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again > until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. > > Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, > or was the TR6 having troubles? > > Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to > end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting > in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was > the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this > drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth > it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a > lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. > > Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of > folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too > nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, > Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and > meeting up with us in Napa. > > Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a > fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks > did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. > > The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; > > Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 > Charlie and Patty TR8 > John Lotus Elan S2 > Dan (Jag XJ) > Sarto Elan S3 Coupe > Andy and Marla MGB roadster > Gerry Mercedes roadster > Wendell Morgan > Dawson Rolls Royce > Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat > Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type > Dean and Maria TR6 > Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 > > Cheers! > > Greg and Trish Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 20:12:15 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <90564.96794.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello All, This was my second drive with the group and it is real nice to be able to get together on drives so close to home. One of our GGLC drives to the ALL BRITISH MEET in Palo Alto each driver was responsible only for the guy behind him and the only guy that had it easy was me, the last guy. That way nobody gets lost. The waits just gave us more time to chat car stuff. (a good part of the fun) And it's always nice to meet new friends. Sarto --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Greg Tatarian wrote: > From: Greg Tatarian > Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 4:39 PM > Wow! > > Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish > and I weren't prepared for so many cars - let me tell > you it is really difficult to keep that big of a group > together! Of course, it didn't help that there was a > miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely > to crank it up and start leading the group out of there. > Turns out one member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and > Marla turned back to give him another few minutes, and yup, > we lost Dawson and Sons at the first light. Trish has told > me she won't serve as lead car navigator again until I > put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. > > Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was > that planned, or was the TR6 having troubles? > > Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a > similar route to end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa > where the first group was waiting in hopes of getting our > full team back together. The next hiccup was the l o n g > wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this > drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it > was worth it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical > scene, but we picked up a lot of admirers in the parking > lot, which is usually a good thing. > > Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly > large group of folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, > Andy. It's going to be too nice to drive on its own > wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, Lionel and > (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for > persevering and meeting up with us in Napa. > > Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will > be fit as a fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, > and several other folks did as well, so you can get some > vicarious fun. > > The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) > on the drive; > > Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 > Charlie and Patty TR8 > John Lotus Elan S2 > Dan (Jag XJ) > Sarto Elan S3 Coupe > Andy and Marla MGB roadster > Gerry Mercedes roadster > Wendell Morgan > Dawson Rolls Royce > Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat > Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type > Dean and Maria TR6 > Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 > > Cheers! > > Greg and Trish Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From dawson at authorspublishing.com Sat Jan 10 17:51:44 2009 From: dawson at authorspublishing.com (Dawson Church) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:51:44 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most beautiful place in the world. If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any single system that works properly! Dawson On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote: > Hello Rich M > A few years back, I took my '53 Sunbeam Alpine drive shaft to > Drive Line > Service at 3132 Coffey Lane 528-7886. The drive shaft was cleaned and > balanced and quickly done to my satisfaction. > > Happy motoring > > Charles > 50 Mk V DHC Jaguar > 53 Mk 1 Sunbeam Alpine > 85 XJ6 Jaguar > > > ************** > New year...new news. Be the first to know what > is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Jan 10 21:37:37 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:37:37 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] February drive In-Reply-To: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <49697791.4050704@sonic.net> Well Dawson, you've got my vote for Feb. ride leader. I hope I'm in shape to make it by then and that the weather holds. So what say you all, is Dawson the February ride leader? Ron 58 MGA Dawson Church wrote: > What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other > states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most > beautiful place in the world. > > If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've > moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a > good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the > weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is > a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any > single system that works properly! > > Dawson From FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET Sat Jan 10 22:11:35 2009 From: FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET (JULIA KENNER) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:11:35 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] February drive In-Reply-To: <49697791.4050704@sonic.net> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> <49697791.4050704@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000001c973ab$138624d0$3a926e70$@NET> WHAT A GOOD RIDE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! YES ON DAWSON FOR FEBRUARY THANKS TO ALL JOHN KENNER -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:38 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] February drive Well Dawson, you've got my vote for Feb. ride leader. I hope I'm in shape to make it by then and that the weather holds. So what say you all, is Dawson the February ride leader? Ron 58 MGA Dawson Church wrote: > What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other > states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most > beautiful place in the world. > > If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've > moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a > good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the > weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is > a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any > single system that works properly! > > Dawson _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 23:14:30 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:14:30 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] February Drive In-Reply-To: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <49698E46.9000904@gmail.com> You've got my vote, Dawson. Thanks! Greg Dawson Church wrote: > What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other > states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most > beautiful place in the world. > > If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've > moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a > good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the > weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is > a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any > single system that works properly! > > Dawson > > > On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote: From ctwehn at cs.com Sun Jan 11 10:42:10 2009 From: ctwehn at cs.com (ctwehn at cs.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:42:10 -0500 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <8CB422B10BCA332-1598-4E3@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> You have my vote too Dawson. Thanks to Greg and Trish for a fun ride, and to Andy and Marla for hosting a great morning warm up. Ron, I have some pictures for you, where shall I send them? Charlie and Patty -----Original Message----- From: Dawson Church To: North Bay British Car Club Cc: rimossholder at aol.comcast.net Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most beautiful place in the world.? ? If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any single system that works properly!? ? Dawson? ? On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote:? ? > Hello Rich M? > A few years back, I took my '53 Sunbeam Alpine drive shaft to > Drive Line? > Service at 3132 Coffey Lane 528-7886. The drive shaft was cleaned and? > balanced and quickly done to my satisfaction.? >? > Happy motoring? >? > Charles? > 50 Mk V DHC Jaguar? > 53 Mk 1 Sunbeam Alpine? > 85 XJ6 Jaguar? >? >? > **************? > New year...new news. Be the first to know what? > is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002)? > _______________________________________________? > Nobbc mailing list? > Nobbc at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc? _______________________________________________? Nobbc mailing list? Nobbc at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From wbain at sonic.net Sun Jan 11 11:13:04 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:13:04 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Saturday Drive In-Reply-To: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: <41BB625C-855E-40F2-A79B-1D82FEA87057@sonic.net> Okay I vote for Dawson for the February drive. Yesterday's run was great! Cheers, Wendell Morgan +4 On Jan 10, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Dawson Church wrote: > What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other > states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most > beautiful place in the world. > > If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. > I've moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also > have a good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case > the weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red > Lotus is a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible > to find any single system that works properly! > > Dawson > > > On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote: > >> Hello Rich M >> A few years back, I took my '53 Sunbeam Alpine drive shaft to >> Drive Line >> Service at 3132 Coffey Lane 528-7886. The drive shaft was cleaned and >> balanced and quickly done to my satisfaction. >> >> Happy motoring >> >> Charles >> 50 Mk V DHC Jaguar >> 53 Mk 1 Sunbeam Alpine >> 85 XJ6 Jaguar >> >> >> ************** >> New year...new news. Be the first to know what >> is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From home at drummondlaw.com Sun Jan 11 22:04:32 2009 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:04:32 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] February Drive In-Reply-To: <49698E46.9000904@gmail.com> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> <49698E46.9000904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <95BDEFED225040AFAD9D832A10B47377@dandebbie> Greg, I know everyone's already said it, but thank you for putting the ride together. It was a great ride and it's too bad we lost some drivers. Still, I had a blast chasing you and John over the hill. Query, is the plural of Lotus, "Loti?" Thanks again. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:15 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] February Drive You've got my vote, Dawson. Thanks! Greg Dawson Church wrote: > What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other > states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most > beautiful place in the world. > > If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've > moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a > good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the > weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is > a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any > single system that works properly! > > Dawson > > > On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote: _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 07:21:00 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:21:00 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] February Drive In-Reply-To: <95BDEFED225040AFAD9D832A10B47377@dandebbie> References: <52D46A65-B635-4362-BAB9-15836639A802@authorspublishing.com> <49698E46.9000904@gmail.com> <95BDEFED225040AFAD9D832A10B47377@dandebbie> Message-ID: <496B51CC.40401@gmail.com> Thank you Dan, and everyone else! Very glad we had the weather we did, and that we all made it happen. Very nice collaborative effort, and thanks again to Andy and Marla. Only regret now is that I didn't take a picture of us all lined up on the shoulder at the turn from 29 south to 121. Drats. Your Jag handled the tight turns quite well - even got a mention from John, whose tail you were pursuing. "Loti" seems to be popular, yes. Have a great week. Greg Dan wrote: > Greg, > > I know everyone's already said it, but thank you for putting the ride > together. It was a great ride and it's too bad we lost some drivers. > Still, I had a blast chasing you and John over the hill. Query, is the > plural of Lotus, "Loti?" Thanks again. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:15 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: [Nobbc] February Drive > > You've got my vote, Dawson. Thanks! > Greg > > > Dawson Church wrote: > >> What a fabulous drive. In the last month, I've been in four other >> states, and I can tell you with conviction that we live in the most >> beautiful place in the world. >> >> If no one's yet volunteered for the Feb drive, I'll organize it. I've >> moved, and I how have bags of room for cars, at last! I also have a >> good spot for barbecuing and other outdoor delights, in case the >> weather is as idyllic as today. And walking around my old red Lotus is >> a tech session in and of itself, in that it's impossible to find any >> single system that works properly! >> >> Dawson >> >> >> On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Cem2col at aol.com wrote: >> > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 12 19:17:47 2009 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:17:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <49693FAC.6020201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090113021802.DAD5C187645@autox.team.net> Greg, thanks so much to you and Trish for organizing a great drive on Saturday, the deli was great. I'm sorry that we messed up you schedule a bit but wanted to give the Norm all possible time because he came up from SF, but he got lost. But as they say, "All's well that ends well" and we all caught up and had a great time. It was kind of fun being the sleuth with Dawson's son Lionel and his friend Matthew. Thank god Matthew took a picture of your map which was kind of fuzzy but it worked. Marla and I really enjoyed hosting the start and I think we should do more of that in the future. I also for Dawson leading the February tour. He was behind me going up Trinity in his Roller and it took the bends very well, with only a bit of tire squeal on the tight ones. Great job. Take care Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Wow! Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, or was the TR6 having troubles? Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and meeting up with us in Napa. Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 Charlie and Patty TR8 John Lotus Elan S2 Dan (Jag XJ) Sarto Elan S3 Coupe Andy and Marla MGB roadster Gerry Mercedes roadster Wendell Morgan Dawson Rolls Royce Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type Dean and Maria TR6 Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 Cheers! Greg and Trish Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From andypreston at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 12 19:28:40 2009 From: andypreston at sbcglobal.net (andy preston) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:28:40 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090113022855.CFE51187645@autox.team.net> Hi Norm, sorry you got lost and couldn't join us on Saturday, we were looking forward to seeing you again. Will you be going on the WCCC ride on Saturday? We can catch up then. Looks like it should be good weather. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman Weinfeld Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:42 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Rats! RATS!!!!! And maxima apologia to Andy and Marla particularly for holding up the parade. I must've been with a few blocks if the joint too. Took a turnoff marked Wilfred Ave. but NOT also East Cotati. Mistake I'm guessing. Drove along until it was clear things weren't as they should be and pulled into a gas station and asked a friendly lad if he knew where East Cotati was. Absolutely came the reply! Turned out he didn't, or, more likely, I got the directions wrong (a specialty of chez moi). Went (again) until it was clear things had gone awry and called Marla. Got more directions, some of which I was able to hear over the traffic noise (I don't come equipped with cell-phone ears...). Decided the GPS would save the day. It didn't. Think it took me back home, probably because I didn't cancel the last "trip." Realized this when it told me to get back on 101 going south... RATS!!!! Hope you guys were able to catch up with the group and that I'll be able to see that coupe of yours one these days. And it sounded like such a great ride too. RAAAAATTTTTSSSSS!!!! Car drove great though. On the effing freeway... Still, 'way prettier freeway up in your neck of the woods. Norm Weinfeld (now sadly back in) San Francisco '55 XK140 DHC From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:38 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Dang! Sounds like I missed a good ride. Thanks Greg, Trish, Andy and Marla for showing what a great club we have. I look forward to the pictures. Ron 58 MGA (hibernating for a while longer) Greg Tatarian wrote: > Wow! > > Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't > prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to > keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there > was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to > crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one > member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him > another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first > light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again > until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. > > Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, > or was the TR6 having troubles? > > Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to > end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting > in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was > the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this > drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth > it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a > lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. > > Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of > folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too > nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, > Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and > meeting up with us in Napa. > > Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a > fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks > did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. > > The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; > > Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 > Charlie and Patty TR8 > John Lotus Elan S2 > Dan (Jag XJ) > Sarto Elan S3 Coupe > Andy and Marla MGB roadster > Gerry Mercedes roadster > Wendell Morgan > Dawson Rolls Royce > Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat > Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type > Dean and Maria TR6 > Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 > > Cheers! > > Greg and Trish Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 20:01:43 2009 From: norman_weinfeld at hotmail.com (Norman Weinfeld) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:01:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <20090113022855.CFE51187645@autox.team.net> References: <20090113022855.CFE51187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Andy, Unfortunately not, we'll be in Portland this weekend, so I'll simply have to cool my proverbial heels and hone my navigational skills (or perhaps I should say grow some?) and catch you at some later date. Can't wait to see that coupe though. Norm From: andy preston Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:28 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Hi Norm, sorry you got lost and couldn't join us on Saturday, we were looking forward to seeing you again. Will you be going on the WCCC ride on Saturday? We can catch up then. Looks like it should be good weather. Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman Weinfeld Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:42 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Rats! RATS!!!!! And maxima apologia to Andy and Marla particularly for holding up the parade. I must've been with a few blocks if the joint too. Took a turnoff marked Wilfred Ave. but NOT also East Cotati. Mistake I'm guessing. Drove along until it was clear things weren't as they should be and pulled into a gas station and asked a friendly lad if he knew where East Cotati was. Absolutely came the reply! Turned out he didn't, or, more likely, I got the directions wrong (a specialty of chez moi). Went (again) until it was clear things had gone awry and called Marla. Got more directions, some of which I was able to hear over the traffic noise (I don't come equipped with cell-phone ears...). Decided the GPS would save the day. It didn't. Think it took me back home, probably because I didn't cancel the last "trip." Realized this when it told me to get back on 101 going south... RATS!!!! Hope you guys were able to catch up with the group and that I'll be able to see that coupe of yours one these days. And it sounded like such a great ride too. RAAAAATTTTTSSSSS!!!! Car drove great though. On the effing freeway... Still, 'way prettier freeway up in your neck of the woods. Norm Weinfeld (now sadly back in) San Francisco '55 XK140 DHC From: Ron Engelhardt Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:38 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Dang! Sounds like I missed a good ride. Thanks Greg, Trish, Andy and Marla for showing what a great club we have. I look forward to the pictures. Ron 58 MGA (hibernating for a while longer) Greg Tatarian wrote: > Wow! > > Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't > prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to > keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there > was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to > crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one > member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him > another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first > light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again > until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. > > Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, > or was the TR6 having troubles? > > Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to > end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting > in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was > the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this > drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth > it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a > lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. > > Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of > folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too > nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, > Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and > meeting up with us in Napa. > > Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a > fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks > did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. > > The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; > > Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 > Charlie and Patty TR8 > John Lotus Elan S2 > Dan (Jag XJ) > Sarto Elan S3 Coupe > Andy and Marla MGB roadster > Gerry Mercedes roadster > Wendell Morgan > Dawson Rolls Royce > Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat > Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type > Dean and Maria TR6 > Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 > > Cheers! > > Greg and Trish Tatarian > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From DPaige at srcity.org Tue Jan 13 09:06:20 2009 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:06:20 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <20090113021802.DAD5C187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> For the record my turn around on Trinity Road was planned. Just had too much else on the docket to do more than an hour or two. Pia and I tooled back down to Glen Ellen and the Glen Ellen in where we fed ourselves on a dozen oysters and fish taco's Yum. Home to the mundane of necessary chores after. Happy to see that everyone managed to get together in the end. We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andy preston Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:18 PM To: 'North Bay British Car Club' Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Greg, thanks so much to you and Trish for organizing a great drive on Saturday, the deli was great. I'm sorry that we messed up you schedule a bit but wanted to give the Norm all possible time because he came up from SF, but he got lost. But as they say, "All's well that ends well" and we all caught up and had a great time. It was kind of fun being the sleuth with Dawson's son Lionel and his friend Matthew. Thank god Matthew took a picture of your map which was kind of fuzzy but it worked. Marla and I really enjoyed hosting the start and I think we should do more of that in the future. I also for Dawson leading the February tour. He was behind me going up Trinity in his Roller and it took the bends very well, with only a bit of tire squeal on the tight ones. Great job. Take care Andy -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:39 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Wow! Thanks so much to all who showed up for the drive. Trish and I weren't prepared for so many cars - let me tell you it is really difficult to keep that big of a group together! Of course, it didn't help that there was a miscommunication at the start when we were told prematurely to crank it up and start leading the group out of there. Turns out one member hadn't shown up yet, so Andy and Marla turned back to give him another few minutes, and yup, we lost Dawson and Sons at the first light. Trish has told me she won't serve as lead car navigator again until I put a side view mirror on the passenger door for her. Deano - looks like you split off there about halfway - was that planned, or was the TR6 having troubles? Fortunately, the secondary group pretty much created a similar route to end up at Genova's on Trancas in Napa where the first group was waiting in hopes of getting our full team back together. The next hiccup was the l o n g wait at the deli, so I know we all spent more time on this drive standing around than we normally do, but hopefully it was worth it. I know the in-town stuff isn't our typical scene, but we picked up a lot of admirers in the parking lot, which is usually a good thing. Thanks go to Marla and Andy for hosting the surprisingly large group of folks at their house; nice work on the MGA, Andy. It's going to be too nice to drive on its own wheels! Also, thanks to Andy, Marla, Dawson, Lionel and (didn't get Dawson's other son's name) for persevering and meeting up with us in Napa. Ron - we were all thinking of you, and hopefully you will be fit as a fiddle for the next one. I took some pictures, and several other folks did as well, so you can get some vicarious fun. The collection of cars (anyone tell me if I missed someone) on the drive; Sheryl and Dennis MGB x 2 Charlie and Patty TR8 John Lotus Elan S2 Dan (Jag XJ) Sarto Elan S3 Coupe Andy and Marla MGB roadster Gerry Mercedes roadster Wendell Morgan Dawson Rolls Royce Lionel and brother Lotus Eclat Bill Birkin Lotus 7 type Dean and Maria TR6 Greg and Trish Lotus Elan S4 Cheers! Greg and Trish Tatarian _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mewgull at sonic.net Tue Jan 13 10:57:43 2009 From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:57:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: Hi all, As the interloper Saturday... yeah I'm the one that invaded England in the Panzer, I feel a need to comment on the great camaraderie. What a great, fun group of people with fun cars. The weather was so good that the Land Rover had to stay home. I'm too old and lazy to take the top off anymore; it is an all day chore. I thanks all those responsible for making it such a nice experience. Regarding Deanos comment on the NOBBC non-rules... in the Land Rover group we blame all rule related stuff on Joseph Lucas, and it's also Joe doing the "organizing" of our annual gathering in the Mendocino National Forest... Anyway I have been the tour chair for the Empire Sports Car Assn (AKA ESCA) for the past few years and we have found that FRS radios are a great aid in coordinating our group outings. They're relatively cheap and easy to use. The useful range is fairly good at about 5 miles in optimal conditions and one or two miles in canyons and hills. They are available all over the place, Big Five Sports almost always has some cheesy ones on sale, REI has good ones and I'm sure they're available at plenty of other retail stores. The threshold price is in the $20 range and really nice ones are under $100. I have found that the Motorola brand units are the most reliable and best quality sound. FRS is a special band authorized by the FCC. From Wikipedia: The Family Radio Service (FRS) is an improved walkie talkie radio system authorized in the United States since 1996. This personal radio service uses channelized frequencies in the ultra high frequency (UHF) band. It does not suffer the interference effects found on citizens' band (CB) at 27 MHz, or the 49 MHz band also used by cordless phones, toys, and baby monitors. FRS uses frequency modulation (FM) instead of amplitude modulation (AM). Since the UHF band has different radio propagation characteristics, short range use of FRS may be more reliable than license-free radios operating in the HF CB band. Just a suggestion. Gerry Mugele (Land-Rover D90 and MB SLK350) On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Paige, Dean wrote: > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this > regard. > > Deano G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Jan 13 12:45:46 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:45:46 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Communication In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <496CEF6A.6020402@sonic.net> I'm changing the title of this thread because it's of root importance to our club and should be discussed. Heh, one of my main worries over the years is that we would have a ride and ALL 125+ members would show up...chaos! Fortunately, we usually have a manageable group and rarely lose people. We did have 3 dozen cars show up a few years back at Warm Springs but the ride route was simple enough that no one could get lost. That being said, it may be time to bend our non-rules for larger rides and figure out a mechanism for keeping rides together, maybe cell phones or walkie-talkies. Most places we go have limited or no cell service so maybe radios are the way to go. One for the point car, one for drag (last) and maybe one or two in the middle of larger rides. I think we've done a pretty fair job of staying together and waiting so far but the rides seem to be increasing in popularity again. The real joy of owning a Brit car is getting it OUT of the garage as frequently as possible and the rides are reflecting that. I don't know a whole lot about the two way radios available and would be especially interested to know if different brands talk to one another and any other shortcomings. In our non dues club it would be better for individuals to purchase radios themselves on a volunteer basis, I'm guessing they aren't too expensive. Perhaps we would always then have members with radios available on the larger rides and better coordination. Any thoughts? Ron 58 MGA Paige, Dean wrote: > For the record my turn around on Trinity Road was planned. Just had too > much else on the docket to do more than an hour or two. Pia and I tooled > back down to Glen Ellen and the Glen Ellen in where we fed ourselves on > a dozen oysters and fish taco's Yum. Home to the mundane of necessary > chores after. Happy to see that everyone managed to get together in the > end. > > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. > > Deano From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 13:22:35 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Communication In-Reply-To: <496CEF6A.6020402@sonic.net> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local><496CEF6A.6020402@sonic.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron. I know some purists, if you will, don't like using comms, relying instead on their wits and perhaps smoke signals from tailpipes, but having driven in many large convoys for other reasons, I think they are great. FRS radios are dirt cheap, all are compatible, and would be a great help with larger crowds. My two cents... Cheers, Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Ron Engelhardt Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:45:46 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Communication I'm changing the title of this thread because it's of root importance to our club and should be discussed. Heh, one of my main worries over the years is that we would have a ride and ALL 125+ members would show up...chaos! Fortunately, we usually have a manageable group and rarely lose people. We did have 3 dozen cars show up a few years back at Warm Springs but the ride route was simple enough that no one could get lost. That being said, it may be time to bend our non-rules for larger rides and figure out a mechanism for keeping rides together, maybe cell phones or walkie-talkies. Most places we go have limited or no cell service so maybe radios are the way to go. One for the point car, one for drag (last) and maybe one or two in the middle of larger rides. I think we've done a pretty fair job of staying together and waiting so far but the rides seem to be increasing in popularity again. The real joy of owning a Brit car is getting it OUT of the garage as frequently as possible and the rides are reflecting that. I don't know a whole lot about the two way radios available and would be especially interested to know if different brands talk to one another and any other shortcomings. In our non dues club it would be better for individuals to purchase radios themselves on a volunteer basis, I'm guessing they aren't too expensive. Perhaps we would always then have members with radios available on the larger rides and better coordination. Any thoughts? Ron 58 MGA Paige, Dean wrote: > For the record my turn around on Trinity Road was planned. Just had too > much else on the docket to do more than an hour or two. Pia and I tooled > back down to Glen Ellen and the Glen Ellen in where we fed ourselves on > a dozen oysters and fish taco's Yum. Home to the mundane of necessary > chores after. Happy to see that everyone managed to get together in the > end. > > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. > > Deano _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 15:31:10 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:31:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Communication In-Reply-To: <20090113202325.8CE3E18789F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <74453.77066.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi guys, maybe I did not express myself well. If the leader only watches the car behind him and that car watches the car behind him and so on, If one car loses his car behind him he will slow until his car catches up with him. When he slowed down the cars in front will also slow. Works even when caught at signal lights. If there is a delay with any car it transmits to all of the others. Nobody gets away. Just an idea that works in poor cell phone areas. Walkie talkies may take hands off the wheel. Only problem on the roads we like, there may not be the room to pull off on. Bread crumbs comes to mind. Sarto --- On Tue, 1/13/09, gtwincams at gmail.com wrote: > From: gtwincams at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Communication > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 12:22 PM > Hi Ron. I know some purists, if you will, don't like > using comms, relying instead on their wits and perhaps smoke > signals from tailpipes, but having driven in many large > convoys for other reasons, I think they are great. FRS > radios are dirt cheap, all are compatible, and would be a > great help with larger crowds. > My two cents... > Cheers, > Greg > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Engelhardt > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:45:46 > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: [Nobbc] Communication > > > I'm changing the title of this thread because it's > of root importance to > our club and should be discussed. > > Heh, one of my main worries over the years is that we would > have a ride > and ALL 125+ members would show up...chaos! Fortunately, we > usually have > a manageable group and rarely lose people. We did have 3 > dozen cars show > up a few years back at Warm Springs but the ride route was > simple enough > that no one could get lost. > > That being said, it may be time to bend our non-rules for > larger rides > and figure out a mechanism for keeping rides together, > maybe cell phones > or walkie-talkies. Most places we go have limited or no > cell service so > maybe radios are the way to go. One for the point car, one > for drag > (last) and maybe one or two in the middle of larger rides. > I think we've > done a pretty fair job of staying together and waiting so > far but the > rides seem to be increasing in popularity again. The real > joy of owning > a Brit car is getting it OUT of the garage as frequently as > possible and > the rides are reflecting that. > > I don't know a whole lot about the two way radios > available and would be > especially interested to know if different brands talk to > one another > and any other shortcomings. In our non dues club it would > be better for > individuals to purchase radios themselves on a volunteer > basis, I'm > guessing they aren't too expensive. Perhaps we would > always then have > members with radios available on the larger rides and > better > coordination. Any thoughts? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Paige, Dean wrote: > > For the record my turn around on Trinity Road was > planned. Just had too > > much else on the docket to do more than an hour or > two. Pia and I tooled > > back down to Glen Ellen and the Glen Ellen in where we > fed ourselves on > > a dozen oysters and fish taco's Yum. Home to the > mundane of necessary > > chores after. Happy to see that everyone managed to > get together in the > > end. > > > > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together > from the start. I > > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks > were not yet in > > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not > supposed to need any > > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't > move until everyone > > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in > the hands of the > > last in line and the first in line would really help > out in this regard. > > > > Deano > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 15:40:01 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:40:01 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Communication In-Reply-To: <74453.77066.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <74453.77066.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496D1841.5070400@gmail.com> Hi Sarto, You expressed the method we typically try to use, for the most part. Being in the front of a long line of cars, like the 14 cars we had Saturday, it is more difficult than you might imagine to pull over whenever the group is split up, and not always safe. However, your point about taking hands off the wheel to talk on the radio is a good one. A navigator helps, as does using the radios only when necessary, say when a group does get left behind at a light or someone makes a wrong turn, both of which can mean a lot of waiting on the shoulder, or leaving someone behind. It's not usually an issue with our group, but does tend to happen more with routes that take us through lots of street lights, or with larger convoys. I think that radios can be used safely, and can be of value on some of our drives. I've tried the high-tech bread crumb idea; that is, leaving a gps or radio on top of the vehicle and driving away, flinging the device to the roadway. Works great! Cheers, Greg Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > Hi guys, maybe I did not express myself well. If the leader only watches the car behind him and that car watches the car behind him and so on, If one car loses his car behind him he will slow until his car catches up with him. When he slowed down the cars in front will also slow. Works even when caught at signal lights. If there is a delay with any car it transmits to all of the others. Nobody gets away. Just an idea that works in poor cell phone areas. Walkie talkies may take hands off the wheel. Only problem on the roads we like, there may not be the room to pull off on. Bread crumbs comes to mind. > > Sarto From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 15:55:54 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:55:54 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666241@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <496D1BFA.4060208@gmail.com> Dean, Yeah, I was upset about it too, since the whole point is to stay together as a group, and no one wants to get left behind. It wasn't intentional, and it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. I was told by Andy that we were waiting on Norm, and then after another 20 minutes passed, as I was putting my camera away in our car, I was told that we were all ready and that I should start to gather everyone up and move out. In hindsight I should have not have listened to those instructions, instead conducting my own survey. It was being made clear to me by several people that they wanted to get moving, and I let that put pressure on me to move out. I did wait on the side street, and it appeared to me that everyone had gotten in line before I got moving again. I did give my cell phone number out, both before the drive by email and on the day of the drive to those who asked, and I did post the route days before, and I did show the route to everyone, but yeah, next time I'll take more complete charge and not let myself get confused by the mixed signals. The other method of the last car using headlights sometimes works, but with this long of a line that isn't a perfect solution. Cell phones and/or radios are a good idea. Sorry you were chagrined. Greg > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. > > Deano From DPaige at srcity.org Tue Jan 13 16:03:59 2009 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:03:59 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <496D1BFA.4060208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local> Wasn't criticizing you Greg. You did as good a job as possible. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Dean, Yeah, I was upset about it too, since the whole point is to stay together as a group, and no one wants to get left behind. It wasn't intentional, and it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. I was told by Andy that we were waiting on Norm, and then after another 20 minutes passed, as I was putting my camera away in our car, I was told that we were all ready and that I should start to gather everyone up and move out. In hindsight I should have not have listened to those instructions, instead conducting my own survey. It was being made clear to me by several people that they wanted to get moving, and I let that put pressure on me to move out. I did wait on the side street, and it appeared to me that everyone had gotten in line before I got moving again. I did give my cell phone number out, both before the drive by email and on the day of the drive to those who asked, and I did post the route days before, and I did show the route to everyone, but yeah, next time I'll take more complete charge and not let myself get confused by the mixed signals. The other method of the last car using headlights sometimes works, but with this long of a line that isn't a perfect solution. Cell phones and/or radios are a good idea. Sorry you were chagrined. Greg > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. > > Deano _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 18:24:27 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:24:27 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Communications In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local> References: <496D1BFA.4060208@gmail.com><38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: That's cool. It was a learning experience for Trish and me, and as our club grows, and as more members lead tours, we'll come up with great solutions such as we have been discussing. I think it's great that we have enough new members on these drives that we even have to work out these details. Cheers, Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Paige, Dean" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:03:59 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Wasn't criticizing you Greg. You did as good a job as possible. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:56 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... Dean, Yeah, I was upset about it too, since the whole point is to stay together as a group, and no one wants to get left behind. It wasn't intentional, and it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. I was told by Andy that we were waiting on Norm, and then after another 20 minutes passed, as I was putting my camera away in our car, I was told that we were all ready and that I should start to gather everyone up and move out. In hindsight I should have not have listened to those instructions, instead conducting my own survey. It was being made clear to me by several people that they wanted to get moving, and I let that put pressure on me to move out. I did wait on the side street, and it appeared to me that everyone had gotten in line before I got moving again. I did give my cell phone number out, both before the drive by email and on the day of the drive to those who asked, and I did post the route days before, and I did show the route to everyone, but yeah, next time I'll take more complete charge and not let myself get confused by the mixed signals. The other method of the last car using headlights sometimes works, but with this long of a line that isn't a perfect solution. Cell phones and/or radios are a good idea. Sorry you were chagrined. Greg > We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the start. I > was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in > there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any > steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until everyone > has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the > last in line and the first in line would really help out in this regard. > > Deano _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From dawson at authorspublishing.com Tue Jan 13 18:28:54 2009 From: dawson at authorspublishing.com (Dawson Church) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:28:54 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <94E9DF88-F4B6-403B-8135-82711A7BD9F2@authorspublishing.com> One point of clarification. The main problem was that my son Lionel, driving my yellow Lotus, was engrossed in conversation with his friend Matt and completely missed the second turn. I drove behind him honking the horn in my Rolls and flashing my lights for five minutes before he noticed! By then we'd lost the group, also the only map we had was a blurry photo Lionel took of Greg's map using his iPhone. So we were the culprits, I'm afraid. Dawson On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Paige, Dean wrote: > Wasn't criticizing you Greg. You did as good a job as possible. > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > ] > On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:56 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... > > Dean, > Yeah, I was upset about it too, since the whole point is to stay > together as a group, and no one wants to get left behind. It wasn't > intentional, and it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. I was told > by > Andy that we were waiting on Norm, and then after another 20 minutes > passed, as I was putting my camera away in our car, I was told that we > were all ready and that I should start to gather everyone up and move > out. In hindsight I should have not have listened to those > instructions, > instead conducting my own survey. It was being made clear to me by > several people that they wanted to get moving, and I let that put > pressure on me to move out. > I did wait on the side street, and it appeared to me that everyone had > gotten in line before I got moving again. I did give my cell phone > number out, both before the drive by email and on the day of the drive > to those who asked, and I did post the route days before, and I did > show > the route to everyone, but yeah, next time I'll take more complete > charge and not let myself get confused by the mixed signals. The other > method of the last car using headlights sometimes works, but with this > long of a line that isn't a perfect solution. Cell phones and/or > radios > are a good idea. Sorry you were chagrined. > Greg > >> We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the >> start. I > >> was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in >> there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any >> steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until >> everyone > >> has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the >> last in line and the first in line would really help out in this > regard. >> >> Deano > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 18:55:39 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:55:39 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Drive In-Reply-To: <94E9DF88-F4B6-403B-8135-82711A7BD9F2@authorspublishing.com> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666243@mail2.sr.local><94E9DF88-F4B6-403B-8135-82711A7BD9F2@authorspublishing.com> Message-ID: Dawson, We noticed that Lionel and his friend got to drive the Lotus on the windy bits and the Rolls on the nice cruise back. Looks like they scored big time! When I was 16 I borrowed my brother's Fiat 124 for a drive around the block and got so distracted I didn't return for two hours. Oops. Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Dawson Church Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:28:54 To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... One point of clarification. The main problem was that my son Lionel, driving my yellow Lotus, was engrossed in conversation with his friend Matt and completely missed the second turn. I drove behind him honking the horn in my Rolls and flashing my lights for five minutes before he noticed! By then we'd lost the group, also the only map we had was a blurry photo Lionel took of Greg's map using his iPhone. So we were the culprits, I'm afraid. Dawson On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Paige, Dean wrote: > Wasn't criticizing you Greg. You did as good a job as possible. > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > ] > On Behalf Of Greg Tatarian > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:56 PM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Whew! Saturday's Drive... > > Dean, > Yeah, I was upset about it too, since the whole point is to stay > together as a group, and no one wants to get left behind. It wasn't > intentional, and it wasn't for lack of effort on my part. I was told > by > Andy that we were waiting on Norm, and then after another 20 minutes > passed, as I was putting my camera away in our car, I was told that we > were all ready and that I should start to gather everyone up and move > out. In hindsight I should have not have listened to those > instructions, > instead conducting my own survey. It was being made clear to me by > several people that they wanted to get moving, and I let that put > pressure on me to move out. > I did wait on the side street, and it appeared to me that everyone had > gotten in line before I got moving again. I did give my cell phone > number out, both before the drive by email and on the day of the drive > to those who asked, and I did post the route days before, and I did > show > the route to everyone, but yeah, next time I'll take more complete > charge and not let myself get confused by the mixed signals. The other > method of the last car using headlights sometimes works, but with this > long of a line that isn't a perfect solution. Cell phones and/or > radios > are a good idea. Sorry you were chagrined. > Greg > >> We really need to do more to keep ourselves together from the >> start. I > >> was chagrined to find us moving out while a few folks were not yet in >> there vehicles. The rules (yea I know we're not supposed to need any >> steeeenking rules) got to be that the lead doesn't move until >> everyone > >> has engines running. If nothing else a cell phone in the hands of the >> last in line and the first in line would really help out in this > regard. >> >> Deano > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 20:19:35 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:19:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Communication Message-ID: <86729.92824.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Greg, points taken.. Maybe a route map that shows the key street names etc. could be discussed and passed out before we leave, especially for those who don't know our roads. That way I can check tire pressure, visit a restroom or whatever and if I jump out of line, not worry about getting lost. Even with a map, you need a good navigator. I enjoy drives that start at Andy and Maria's home and drives that ends at a engine machine shop. Till the next drive! Sarto --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Greg Tatarian wrote: > From: Greg Tatarian > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Communication > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:40 PM > Hi Sarto, > You expressed the method we typically try to use, for the > most part. Being in the front of a long line of cars, like > the 14 cars we had Saturday, it is more difficult than you > might imagine to pull over whenever the group is split up, > and not always safe. However, your point about taking hands > off the wheel to talk on the radio is a good one. A > navigator helps, as does using the radios only when > necessary, say when a group does get left behind at a light > or someone makes a wrong turn, both of which can mean a lot > of waiting on the shoulder, or leaving someone behind. > It's not usually an issue with our group, but does tend > to happen more with routes that take us through lots of > street lights, or with larger convoys. I think that radios > can be used safely, and can be of value on some of our > drives. > I've tried the high-tech bread crumb idea; that is, > leaving a gps or radio on top of the vehicle and driving > away, flinging the device to the roadway. Works great! > Cheers, > Greg > > > > Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > > Hi guys, maybe I did not express myself well. If the > leader only watches the car behind him and that car watches > the car behind him and so on, If one car loses his car > behind him he will slow until his car catches up with him. > When he slowed down the cars in front will also slow. Works > even when caught at signal lights. If there is a delay with > any car it transmits to all of the others. Nobody gets > away. Just an idea that works in poor cell phone areas. > Walkie talkies may take hands off the wheel. Only problem > on the roads we like, there may not be the room to pull off > on. Bread crumbs comes to mind. > > > > Sarto > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Wed Jan 14 11:17:35 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Communication In-Reply-To: <86729.92824.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <86729.92824.qm@web50804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I have been passing out route sheets for eleven years of doing the Boxing Day event and it works well especially in those heavy traffic, stop light areas where the group will get separated. On the Tenth Anniversary run at the start there were approximately 65 to 70 people and over 40 cars. There's no way you can keep a group like that together. With a route sheet everyone knows where we are going. It's a good and easy way to handle it. Of course when I told the winery to expect maybe 30 people and thought there might be 65 I knew the winery staff would flip. Of course a few sales help to calm them down. Fortunately people had other commitments and many dropped out on route. I have found trying to get a head count to be difficult. Asking for an RSVP is received with all the enthusiasm of having a triple by-pass. Happy Motoring, Wendell On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > Hi Greg, points taken.. Maybe a route map that shows the key street > names etc. could be discussed and passed out before we leave, > especially for those who don't know our roads. That way I can > check tire pressure, visit a restroom or whatever and if I jump out > of line, not worry about getting lost. Even with a map, you need a > good navigator. > I enjoy drives that start at Andy and Maria's home and drives that > ends at a engine machine shop. Till the next drive! > Sarto > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Greg Tatarian wrote: > >> From: Greg Tatarian >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Communication >> To: "North Bay British Car Club" >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:40 PM >> Hi Sarto, >> You expressed the method we typically try to use, for the >> most part. Being in the front of a long line of cars, like >> the 14 cars we had Saturday, it is more difficult than you >> might imagine to pull over whenever the group is split up, >> and not always safe. However, your point about taking hands >> off the wheel to talk on the radio is a good one. A >> navigator helps, as does using the radios only when >> necessary, say when a group does get left behind at a light >> or someone makes a wrong turn, both of which can mean a lot >> of waiting on the shoulder, or leaving someone behind. >> It's not usually an issue with our group, but does tend >> to happen more with routes that take us through lots of >> street lights, or with larger convoys. I think that radios >> can be used safely, and can be of value on some of our >> drives. >> I've tried the high-tech bread crumb idea; that is, >> leaving a gps or radio on top of the vehicle and driving >> away, flinging the device to the roadway. Works great! >> Cheers, >> Greg >> >> >> >> Sarto Rocheleau wrote: >>> Hi guys, maybe I did not express myself well. If the >> leader only watches the car behind him and that car watches >> the car behind him and so on, If one car loses his car >> behind him he will slow until his car catches up with him. >> When he slowed down the cars in front will also slow. Works >> even when caught at signal lights. If there is a delay with >> any car it transmits to all of the others. Nobody gets >> away. Just an idea that works in poor cell phone areas. >> Walkie talkies may take hands off the wheel. Only problem >> on the roads we like, there may not be the room to pull off >> on. Bread crumbs comes to mind. >>> >>> Sarto >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Wed Jan 14 14:48:47 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Message-ID: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. Ron 58 MGA *********************************************************************** From Tom: Hi Everyone, There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I found a petition for California to do the same here: http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to post the same information on other forums. In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:18:54 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:18:54 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Message-ID: <496E64CE.1010000@gmail.com> Hi Ron, Thanks for posting this. I sent this to the list many months ago, and I'm glad you reminded us. Cheers, Greg Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and have > already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I was one > of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county mounties > in a stunning display of judicial overkill. > > Ron > 58 From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:21:20 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:21:20 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Evo Lotus driving vids Message-ID: <496E6560.8040103@gmail.com> Members, Here are a couple of Lotus driving videos from Evo magazine you might enjoy: http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/233209/lotus_elan_sprint.html http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/233204/iconic_lotuses.html Cheers, Greg From sonomashoe at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:49:42 2009 From: sonomashoe at gmail.com (William Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:49:42 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Evo Lotus driving vids In-Reply-To: <496E6560.8040103@gmail.com> References: <496E6560.8040103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <496E6C06.30200@gmail.com> Just a heads up...anyone who gets the BBC America channel on Dish Network should check out the British car show Top Gear..it's just the best for too many reasons to even list. ( 8pm Mondays) They now have a website too www.topgear.com Enjoy, Bill Shoemaker '90 & '92 Jag XJ6's Greg Tatarian wrote: > Members, > > Here are a couple of Lotus driving videos from Evo magazine you might > enjoy: > > http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/233209/lotus_elan_sprint.html > http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/233204/iconic_lotuses.html > > Cheers, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:52:46 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:52:46 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Classic car interview - Jay Leno Message-ID: <496E6CBE.9040401@gmail.com> Check it out - nice interview with a well-admired collector. http://classicmotorsports.net/video/leno/ Cheers, Greg From davidwi at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 08:29:28 2009 From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:29:28 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Message-ID: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and say it fell off? David Willson Sebastopol, CA 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) From DPaige at srcity.org Thu Jan 15 09:09:23 2009 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:09:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> Just stay out of lake County and San Francisco. State wide most of the ticketing is done by County Cops who patrol County Parks. Easy money. Santa Barbara one of the worst also. S F parking cops do the ticketing. Or keep a front plate in the trunk. Put is in the rt. front window when in iffy areas. Code only specifies that front plate be displayed on the car front, doesn't say where. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Willson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county >mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and say it fell off? David Willson Sebastopol, CA 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From drmartyrayman at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:11:42 2009 From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com (Martin Rayman) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:11:42 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> my wife got a citation on our mini for no front plate whilst parked in berkeley. there was no parking or moving violation, just noted by a parking officer walking by... i have no front plate on my honda s2000 nor on my '53 mg td and so far, have never been bothered. the husband of one of my staff is a chp. he said that that no front plate is the very last thing that they are worried about or looking for. they absolutely hate an illegal driver's side tinted window. that, they will stop you for in a nanosecond. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:29 AM, David Willson wrote: > At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: > >> I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county >> mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >> > > FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about > it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going > really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and > say it fell off? > > David Willson > Sebastopol, CA > 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter > 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > -- Martin Sinai Rayman, D.D.S. 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From nobbc at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 10:20:44 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:20:44 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <496F706C.6070806@sonic.net> It is a fixit ticket so no fine if corrected and inspected but they do charge a $15 fee. Mainly it is a pain to deal with. Most of the front plate tickets I've had have been in Napa. I used to live next door to a So. Co. deputy sherrif who drove a 240Z with no front plate; he would always sign off the ticket for me obviating the need to jury rig a front plate. Unfortunately, he retired an moved to Pollack Pines so that easy route is out! Ron 58 MGA David Willson wrote: > At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: > >> I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. > > > FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered > about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for > going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest > it and say it fell off? > > David Willson > Sebastopol, CA > 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter > 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 11:23:38 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <902709.58195.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, my plate is in the trunk of my Lotus Elan and my story is--- just restored it and since there is no attaching points on the Elan, I am having a special bracket made. I have never been stopped or asked about it, so far. Putting a US license plate in front of the intake screen on an Elan would block needed air flow. Sarto --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Martin Rayman wrote: > From: Martin Rayman > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:11 AM > my wife got a citation on our mini for no front plate whilst > parked in > berkeley. there was no parking or moving violation, just > noted by a parking > officer walking by... i have no front plate on my honda > s2000 nor on my '53 > mg td and so far, have never been bothered. the husband of > one of my staff > is a chp. he said that that no front plate is the very > last thing that they > are worried about or looking for. they absolutely hate an > illegal driver's > side tinted window. that, they will stop you for in a > nanosecond. > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:29 AM, David Willson > wrote: > > > At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: > > > >> I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. > Awipe of the Napa county > >> mounties in a stunning display of judicial > overkill. > >> > > > > FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and > haven't been bothered about > > it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me > an award for going > > really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. > Can you contest it and > > say it fell off? > > > > David Willson > > Sebastopol, CA > > 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter > > 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need > parts?) > > _______________________________________________ > > Nobbc mailing list > > Nobbc at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > > > > -- > Martin Sinai Rayman, D.D.S. > Pediatric Dentistry > 912 Grand Avenue, #202 > San Rafael, CA 94901-3538 > Voice: 415.459.1444 > FAX: 415.459.1320 > Website: http://www.openbigdds.com > > NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is > confidential and > may be protected by privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, any > use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, > please immediately notify the sender by telephone or > e-mail, and permanently > delete all copies, electronic or other, you may have. The > foregoing applies > even if this notice is embedded in a message that is > forwarded or attached. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 11:52:45 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:52:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <902709.58195.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <902709.58195.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496F85FD.7060602@sonic.net> Heh, I keep a plate in the trunk also and, so far, the no place to attach argument has never worked. The cop doesn't really care, just doing his job of raising revenue. Ron 58 MGA Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > Hi all, my plate is in the trunk of my Lotus Elan and my story is--- just restored it and since there is no attaching points on the Elan, I am having a special bracket made. I have never been stopped or asked about it, so far. Putting a US license plate in front of the intake screen on an Elan would block needed air flow. > Sarto > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Martin Rayman wrote: From ppanther at ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 15 12:43:45 2009 From: ppanther at ix.netcom.com (ppanther) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:43:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <496F85FD.7060602@sonic.net> Message-ID: You folks are making me nervous. I am going to root around in the garage this weekend and find my front plate. I did get tagged in SF by a motorcycle cop. I was in my company truck. He was working the 8th street off ramp. The front plate had been lost in action so I had to get new plates. By the time you get the ticket signed off it is a real pain plus the fee. Larry Gardini 64 Alger -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:53 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Heh, I keep a plate in the trunk also and, so far, the no place to attach argument has never worked. The cop doesn't really care, just doing his job of raising revenue. Ron 58 MGA Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > Hi all, my plate is in the trunk of my Lotus Elan and my story is--- just restored it and since there is no attaching points on the Elan, I am having a special bracket made. I have never been stopped or asked about it, so far. Putting a US license plate in front of the intake screen on an Elan would block needed air flow. > Sarto > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Martin Rayman wrote: _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 13:18:19 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:18:19 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Message-ID: Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not run a front license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a problem. Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not really necessary. Wendell 59 Morgan On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and > have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I > was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa > county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > ********************************************************************** > * > From Tom: > > Hi Everyone, > There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! > I found a petition for California to do the same here: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html > > I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please > spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to > post the same information on other forums. > In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day > over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of > NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From apexbrit2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 13:32:43 2009 From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:32:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: References: <496F85FD.7060602@sonic.net> Message-ID: <95a735e60901151232u43aecda4l4a379875d381eab2@mail.gmail.com> While on this subject, about five years ago my then 25 year old son and I were cruising at the legal speed limit in the Nissan Maxima (sans front plate) North on 101. It was a mid-summer Saturday at daybreak. We were going fishing at our Mad River property. At the Covelo/Round Valley road was a CHP sitting at the stop sign. He pulled out behind me, followed for a quarter of a mile and blam, on came the reds and blues. I was quiet and courteous and produced current and legal papers. He was overly interested in scanning the interior and getting close to the window. He was not the usual Smokey type CHP; he wore a jumpsuit, SWAT gear and was a K-9 unit. I asked why he had stopped me and he said that many vehicles that have no front plate have been stolen. So, that was his "probable cause" - that I may be driving a stolen vehicle. But, this was during a time when law enforcement was attempting to curtail drug running along 101, so that was his real reason. If he had smelled or seen anything suspicious we would have had a dog search on the Maxima and cuffed and stuffed. The point here is that law enforcement can stop you for "probable cause" if you don't display a front plate. I don't think many would, but some do. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM, ppanther wrote: > You folks are making me nervous. > I am going to root around in the garage this weekend and find my front > plate. > I did get tagged in SF by a motorcycle cop. > I was in my company truck. > He was working the 8th street off ramp. > The front plate had been lost in action so I had to get new plates. > By the time you get the ticket signed off it is a real pain plus the fee. > > Larry Gardini > 64 Alger > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:53 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > > Heh, I keep a plate in the trunk also and, so far, the no place to > attach argument has never worked. The cop doesn't really care, just > doing his job of raising revenue. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Sarto Rocheleau wrote: > > > Hi all, my plate is in the trunk of my Lotus Elan and my story is--- just > restored it and since there is no attaching points on the Elan, I am having > a special bracket made. I have never been stopped or asked about it, so > far. Putting a US license plate in front of the intake screen on an Elan > would block needed air flow. > > Sarto > > > > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Martin Rayman wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mewgull at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 19:39:21 2009 From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:39:21 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Message-ID: Wendell, What time is the gathering in Schellville on Saturday? Do you know? Thanks, Gerry On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, wendell bain wrote: > Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not > run a front > license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a > problem. > Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not > really > necessary. > > Wendell > 59 Morgan > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > >> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and >> have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I >> was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> *********************************************************************** >> From Tom: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I >> found a petition for California to do the same here: >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html >> >> I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please >> spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to >> post the same information on other forums. >> In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day >> over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of >> NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz From home at drummondlaw.com Thu Jan 15 20:57:56 2009 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:57:56 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> References: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: Just in case anyone's interested, the actual license plate code sections follow. Having been a police officer many years ago (and a motorcycle traffic officer to boot), I can tell you we frequently used missing front plates as probable cause to justify stopping someone, but rarely actually wrote the tag (unless of course justified by the attitude). VEHICLE CODE SECTION 5200-5206 5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear. (b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5. 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as follows: (a) The rear license plate on a tow truck may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. (b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. (c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. (d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and transportation of that material by any person or governmental entity employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground. (e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the ground. (f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as follows: (1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle. (2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number. (g) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle. (h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the following requirements are met: (A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55. (B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and issued by the department, that contains the license plate number assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair. (ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in a location determined by the department, in consultation with the Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly visible to law enforcement. (2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, if a decal is displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code that require the illumination of the license plate and the license plate number do not apply. (3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision. (4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate. 5201.1. (a) A person shall not sell a product or device that obscures, or is intended to obscure, the reading or recognition of a license plate, as prohibited by subdivision (g) of Section 5201. (b) A conviction for a violation of subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine of two hundred fifty dollars ($250) per item sold. 5202. Every license plate issued by this State or any other jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which it is issued while being operated within this State or during the time the vehicle is being held for sale in this State, or until such time as a vehicle with special or identification plates is no longer entitled to such plates and no person shall operate, nor shall an owner knowingly permit to be operated, upon any highway any vehicle unless the license plate is so attached. Special permits issued in lieu of plates shall be attached and displayed on the vehicle for which issued during the period of their validity. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paige, Dean Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:09 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Just stay out of lake County and San Francisco. State wide most of the ticketing is done by County Cops who patrol County Parks. Easy money. Santa Barbara one of the worst also. S F parking cops do the ticketing. Or keep a front plate in the trunk. Put is in the rt. front window when in iffy areas. Code only specifies that front plate be displayed on the car front, doesn't say where. Deano -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Willson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county >mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and say it fell off? David Willson Sebastopol, CA 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mewgull at sonic.net Thu Jan 15 21:27:51 2009 From: mewgull at sonic.net (G. Mugele) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:27:51 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: References: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <061BC871-EA5E-4077-ABF2-D04D13AFD62A@sonic.net> And here's another pertinent section of the Vehicle Code: 11713.17. (a) Following the retail sale or lease of a motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, a dealer may not deliver the motor vehicle unless either of the following occurs: (1) The motor vehicle is equipped with a bracket or other means of securing a front license plate. (2) The dealer obtains a signed written acknowledgment from the person taking delivery of the motor vehicle acknowledging both of the following: (A) The person expressly refused installation of a bracket or other means of securing the front license plate. (B) The person understands that California law requires a license plate to be displayed from and securely fastened to the front of the motor vehicle and that the hardware necessary to securely fasten the front plate is available from the dealer. (b) A manufacturer or distributor may not sell or distribute in this state a new motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, unless that motor vehicle is equipped or provided with a bracket or other means of securing the license plates. Do we know for certain that it's a fixit ticket? I remember reading that in San Francisco they were fine the evil-doers $80 for the first offense and doubling it on the second. SF depends on the front plate for the photo ticketing scheme. Gerry On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Dan wrote: > Just in case anyone's interested, the actual license plate code > sections > follow. Having been a police officer many years ago (and a motorcycle > traffic officer to boot), I can tell you we frequently used missing > front > plates as probable cause to justify stopping someone, but rarely > actually > wrote the tag (unless of course justified by the attitude). > > VEHICLE CODE > SECTION 5200-5206 G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz From liamof at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 21:37:58 2009 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition References: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net><38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <000b01c97794$358f2ad0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> Dan, Great to see the actual vehicle code info. I learned my lesson about 25 years ago in Oregon not having the front license attached I got a fix it ticket. The other option is of course put some thing up there to be proud of and let people know where your from. See attached photo. The photo was taken last summer when I pulled the engine to do a clutch job and flywheel change. Sorry I haven't been able to join you guys on your rides but since this is my daily driver I seem never to make the time to just "go for a drive". I will try in the future though and from the previous email chatter bring a map so I don't get lost. See ya all soon. Liam O'Flaherty Novato marinmg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > Just in case anyone's interested, the actual license plate code sections > follow. Having been a police officer many years ago (and a motorcycle > traffic officer to boot), I can tell you we frequently used missing front > plates as probable cause to justify stopping someone, but rarely actually > wrote the tag (unless of course justified by the attitude). > > VEHICLE CODE > SECTION 5200-5206 > > 5200. (a) When two license plates are issued by the department for > use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which > they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear. > (b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, > it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is > issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate > shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5. > > 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the > vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from > swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, > and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. > The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor > more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate > shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as > follows: > (a) The rear license plate on a tow truck may be mounted on the > left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the > vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the > ground. > (b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous > waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or > asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than > 90 inches from the ground. > (c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at > the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor > more than 90 inches from the ground. > (d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the > manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, > rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and > transportation of that material by any person or governmental entity > employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or > refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches > from the ground. > (e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be > mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the > ground. > (f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as > follows: > (1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to > protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a > violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly > salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, > including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may > temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect > any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle. > (2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a > violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or > impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, > but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and > registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over > the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate > security cover shall rest over the license plate number. > (g) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that > obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate > by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, > an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, > high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a > remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and > 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or > affixed to, a vehicle. > (h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation > be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who > regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal > and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without > the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license > plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the > reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or > impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the > following requirements are met: > (A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special > identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person > using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a > distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55. > (B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and > issued by the department, that contains the license plate number > assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair. > (ii) The decal is displayed on the rear window of the vehicle, in > a location determined by the department, in consultation with the > Department of the California Highway Patrol, so as to be clearly > visible to law enforcement. > (2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, if a decal is > displayed pursuant to this subdivision, the requirements of this code > that require the illumination of the license plate and the license > plate number do not apply. > (3) The department shall adopt regulations governing the > procedures for accepting and approving applications for decals, and > issuing decals, authorized by this subdivision. > (4) This subdivision does not apply to a front license plate. > > 5201.1. (a) A person shall not sell a product or device that > obscures, or is intended to obscure, the reading or recognition of a > license plate, as prohibited by subdivision (g) of Section 5201. > (b) A conviction for a violation of subdivision (a) is punishable > by a fine of two hundred fifty dollars ($250) per item sold. > > 5202. Every license plate issued by this State or any other > jurisdiction within or without the United States shall remain > attached during the period of its validity to the vehicle for which > it is issued while being operated within this State or during the > time the vehicle is being held for sale in this State, or until such > time as a vehicle with special or identification plates is no longer > entitled to such plates and no person shall operate, nor shall an > owner knowingly permit to be operated, upon any highway any vehicle > unless the license plate is so attached. Special permits issued in > lieu of plates shall be attached and displayed on the vehicle for > which issued during the period of their validity. > > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Paige, Dean > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:09 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > > Just stay out of lake County and San Francisco. State wide most of the > ticketing is done by County Cops who patrol County Parks. Easy money. > Santa Barbara one of the worst also. S F parking cops do the ticketing. > Or keep a front plate in the trunk. Put is in the rt. front window when > in iffy areas. Code only specifies that front plate be displayed on the > car front, doesn't say where. > > Deano > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of David Willson > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > > At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >>I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county > >>mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. > > FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered > about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for > going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest > it and say it fell off? > > David Willson > Sebastopol, CA > 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter > 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of mga tonneu 065.jpg] From home at drummondlaw.com Thu Jan 15 21:42:23 2009 From: home at drummondlaw.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:42:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <061BC871-EA5E-4077-ABF2-D04D13AFD62A@sonic.net> References: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net><38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666244@mail2.sr.local> <061BC871-EA5E-4077-ABF2-D04D13AFD62A@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4C3EC9C9B8294282BC1ACC6984507664@dandebbie> Interesting, I didn't know about the dealer provisions, although I'm not surprised. Are they really fix-it tickets? Back in my day (20 plus years ago now), they were. Get an officer to sign it off and pay a small admin fee to the court and you were on your way. Just like a burned out tail light. I don't know how they handle these things now, but I've heard stories of some pretty hefty fines. Given local governments' cash flow needs these days, it wouldn't surprise me. Dan -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G. Mugele Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:28 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition And here's another pertinent section of the Vehicle Code: 11713.17. (a) Following the retail sale or lease of a motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, a dealer may not deliver the motor vehicle unless either of the following occurs: (1) The motor vehicle is equipped with a bracket or other means of securing a front license plate. (2) The dealer obtains a signed written acknowledgment from the person taking delivery of the motor vehicle acknowledging both of the following: (A) The person expressly refused installation of a bracket or other means of securing the front license plate. (B) The person understands that California law requires a license plate to be displayed from and securely fastened to the front of the motor vehicle and that the hardware necessary to securely fasten the front plate is available from the dealer. (b) A manufacturer or distributor may not sell or distribute in this state a new motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, unless that motor vehicle is equipped or provided with a bracket or other means of securing the license plates. Do we know for certain that it's a fixit ticket? I remember reading that in San Francisco they were fine the evil-doers $80 for the first offense and doubling it on the second. SF depends on the front plate for the photo ticketing scheme. Gerry On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Dan wrote: > Just in case anyone's interested, the actual license plate code > sections > follow. Having been a police officer many years ago (and a motorcycle > traffic officer to boot), I can tell you we frequently used missing > front > plates as probable cause to justify stopping someone, but rarely > actually > wrote the tag (unless of course justified by the attitude). > > VEHICLE CODE > SECTION 5200-5206 G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From DPaige at srcity.org Fri Jan 16 09:16:23 2009 From: DPaige at srcity.org (Paige, Dean) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <061BC871-EA5E-4077-ABF2-D04D13AFD62A@sonic.net> Message-ID: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666247@mail2.sr.local> Got tagged for no front plate next to Fog City Diner off the Embarcadero last spring. Penalty was $80.00 only if the infraction was not corrected. Had Windsor police verify plate was installed on the Jag, though I did wire it on (well enough to satisfy the officer). Sent in the confirmation provided to S. F. court along with $15.00 and fine was dropped. Deano Do we know for certain that it's a fixit ticket? I remember reading that in San Francisco they were fine the evil-doers $80 for the first offense and doubling it on the second. SF depends on the front plate for the photo ticketing scheme. Gerry > *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Fri Jan 16 10:07:48 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:07:48 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666247@mail2.sr.local> References: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA601666247@mail2.sr.local> Message-ID: <4970BEE4.2030701@sonic.net> Works the same way in Napa and Sonoma, the fine only comes into effect if the problem is not fixed. You will get dinged $15 anyway (not a fine but a "fee"). Ron 58 MGA Paige, Dean wrote: > Got tagged for no front plate next to Fog City Diner off the Embarcadero > last spring. Penalty was $80.00 only if the infraction was not > corrected. Had Windsor police verify plate was installed on the Jag, > though I did wire it on (well enough to satisfy the officer). Sent in > the confirmation provided to S. F. court along with $15.00 and fine was > dropped. > > Deano From wbain at sonic.net Fri Jan 16 13:26:50 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:26:50 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> Message-ID: <60861F76-F246-4966-B59F-C44BB4F3DE7C@sonic.net> Gerry, Contact either Dick Scardamaglia @scardamaglia at comcast.net or Wayne Veatch at veatchlaw@mindspring.com Hope this helps. Wendell On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:39 PM, G. Mugele wrote: > Wendell, > > What time is the gathering in Schellville on Saturday? Do you know? > > Thanks, > Gerry > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, wendell bain wrote: > >> Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not >> run a front >> license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a >> problem. >> Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not >> really >> necessary. >> >> Wendell >> 59 Morgan >> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: >> >>> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and >>> have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I >>> was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >>> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >>> >>> Ron >>> 58 MGA >>> >>> ******************************************************************** >>> *** >>> From Tom: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I >>> found a petition for California to do the same here: >>> >>> http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html >>> >>> I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please >>> spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to >>> post the same information on other forums. >>> In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day >>> over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of >>> NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> > > G. Mugele > mewgull at mugele.net > > *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's > already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From bluesson at hotmail.com Fri Jan 16 14:19:04 2009 From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:19:04 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Creative "solution" to the front license plate In-Reply-To: <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been driving without a front plate on anything I own/have owned for about thirty years, and I've never been ticketed/stopped/questioned about it. Wait, I take that back...the 62 Mini Cooper had the BRIT plate on the front. My modern 07 Mini S has no front plate. The dealer asks you if you want the front bumper DRILLED for it, and you sign a form saying yay or nay. I opted for no drilling. What I want to mention to you creative types is to go to www.gominigo.com and look at the front license plate holder they sell. I have one (uninstalled, of course) in case I ever need it or am going on a long out of state tour, etc. The holder's key is that it installs with one big nut onto the threaded piece behind the square hole in the front bumper where the TOW HOOK would fasten on if needed. You can take this baby off/on in a minute or two. I'd imagine you could figure a way to build something similar for any older car by figuring out how to put that threaded POST behind your front grill. Making the frame would be some simple fabrication with as little as some stainless strap, a hacksaw, a drill or drill press and a grinding wheel, plus some stainless nyloc fasteners, and you could keep it simpler yet by having just a single strap that bolts the plate through the two top holes only. There's really no need for the top and bottom straps. Just tryin' to help. For the record: FRONT LICENSE PLATES SUCK. Cops who write tickets for this frivolous "offense" need to get to fighting some real crime. IMO. Tom> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:11:42 -0800> From: drmartyrayman at gmail.com> To: nobbc at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition> > my wife got a citation on our mini for no front plate whilst parked in> berkeley. there was no parking or moving violation, just noted by a parking> officer walking by... i have no front plate on my honda s2000 nor on my '53> mg td and so far, have never been bothered. the husband of one of my staff> is a chp. he said that that no front plate is the very last thing that they> are worried about or looking for. they absolutely hate an illegal driver's> side tinted window. that, they will stop you for in a nanosecond.> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:29 AM, David Willson wrote:> > > At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote:> >> >> I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county> >> mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill.> >>> >> > FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about> > it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going> > really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and> > say it fell off?> >> > David Willson> > Sebastopol, CA> > 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter> > 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?)> > _______________________________________________> > Nobbc mailing list> > Nobbc at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc> >> > > > -- > Martin Sinai Rayman, D.D.S.> Pediatric Dentistry> 912 Grand Avenue, #202> San Rafael, CA 94901-3538> Voice: 415.459.1444> FAX: 415.459.1320> Website: http://www.openbigdds.com> > NOTICE: This communication, including any attachments, is confidential and> may be protected by privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any> use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error,> please immediately notify the sender by telephone or e-mail, and permanently> delete all copies, electronic or other, you may have. The foregoing applies> even if this notice is embedded in a message that is forwarded or attached.> _______________________________________________> Nobbc mailing list> Nobbc at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From mowog at sonic.net Fri Jan 16 15:19:51 2009 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:19:51 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Creative "solution" to the front license plate In-Reply-To: References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <469C9E62-9A1C-48ED-88E6-9208F7E93A59@sonic.net> > FRONT LICENSE PLATES SUCK... Well.. my 42 year old MGB still has the original black/yellow California front and back plates that it was sold with. So did my '67 XKE. They make a big deal of front plates around SF and other larger cities because of red light cameras at intersections. Say what you will about whether or not the cameras work or are turned on or if it's a black helicopter and secret society conspiracy, if you happen to know someone killed by a red light runner you might, just might have a little broader opinion of front plates. My 2" -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From rbrown at injexindustries.com Fri Jan 16 20:01:37 2009 From: rbrown at injexindustries.com (Richard Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:01:37 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Message-ID: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> Gerry, did u find out what time the ride leaves Schellville 2moro? Richard Brown -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Thu Jan 15 18:39:21 2009 Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Wendell, What time is the gathering in Schellville on Saturday? Do you know? Thanks, Gerry On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, wendell bain wrote: > Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not > run a front > license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a > problem. > Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not > really > necessary. > > Wendell > 59 Morgan > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > >> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and >> have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I >> was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> *********************************************************************** >> From Tom: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I >> found a petition for California to do the same here: >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html >> >> I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please >> spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to >> post the same information on other forums. >> In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day >> over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of >> NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > G. Mugele mewgull at mugele.net *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Jan 17 13:05:55 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:05:55 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Lehmann Memorial Message-ID: <49723A23.3070000@sonic.net> Sorry if you receive this twice as I'm posting it to our list and also emailing the entire roster. I received the following from Dee and forward it for you information (anyone going to be in Colorado?). We will have a club memorial ride sometime in the spring also. Most of you know that Steve was the driving force behind this crazy club of ours and he will be missed. I am happy to report that Dee has decided to keep Steve's car in the family rather than sell it to a stranger. Ron 58 MGA ********************************************************************* Dee's Notice: Diana Duncan Requests the honour of your presence at the Memorial Service celebrating the life of my husband, Steven Jeffrey Lehmann On Saturday, the 31st of January at 2:00 p.m. Foothills Unitarian Church 1815 Yorktown Avenue, Fort Collins, CO 80526 Reception with Light Refreshments following the service Directions The Church is located on Drake 100yds east of Taft Hill Road. There is a large sign facing Drake. 2 Parking lots are available for ease and convenience. RSVP Please respond no later than Sunday, January 25th, via e-mail: didun64 at yahoo.com, or by phone 970-613-8628. From wbain at sonic.net Sat Jan 17 13:50:05 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:50:05 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> References: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> Message-ID: <560463ED-1021-48D8-856E-74AEFE572C47@sonic.net> Hi Richard, Responded to Gerry's inquiry yesterday with attached. Hope you connected in time for the event. All the best, Wendell From: wbain at sonic.net Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition Date: January 16, 2009 12:26:50 PM PST To: nobbc at autox.team.net Reply-To: nobbc at autox.team.net Gerry, Contact either Dick Scardamaglia @scardamaglia at comcast.net or Wayne Veatch at veatchlaw@mindspring.com Hope this helps. Wendell On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:39 PM, G. Mugele wrote: > Wendell, > > What time is the gathering in Schellville on Saturday? Do you know? > > Thanks, > Gerry > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, wendell bain wrote: > > >> Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not >> run a front >> license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a >> problem. >> Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not >> really >> necessary. >> >> Wendell >> 59 Morgan >> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: >> >> >>> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and >>> have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I >>> was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >>> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >>> >>> Ron >>> 58 MGA >>> >>> ******************************************************************** >>> *** >>> From Tom: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I >>> found a petition for California to do the same here: >>> >>> http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html >>> >>> I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please >>> spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to >>> post the same information on other forums. >>> In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day >>> over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of >>> NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> >> > > G. Mugele > mewgull at mugele.net > > *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's > already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Richard Brown wrote: > Gerry, did u find out what time the ride leaves Schellville 2moro? > > Richard Brown > -------------------------- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Device > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net > To: North Bay British Car Club > Sent: Thu Jan 15 18:39:21 2009 > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > > Wendell, > > What time is the gathering in Schellville on Saturday? Do you know? > > Thanks, > Gerry > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, wendell bain wrote: > >> Just signed this. Takes probably less than 20 seconds. I have not >> run a front >> license plate on the Morgan in at least 20 years and never had a >> problem. >> Ron's experience was apparently not the same. Front plates are not >> really >> necessary. >> >> Wendell >> 59 Morgan >> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: >> >>> Tom Reier just sent me the following. I agree with it 1000% and >>> have already signed it. I urge you to consider signing it also. I >>> was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa >>> county mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. >>> >>> Ron >>> 58 MGA >>> >>> ******************************************************************** >>> *** >>> From Tom: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> There are 20 states in the U.S. that do not require front plates! I >>> found a petition for California to do the same here: >>> >>> http://www.petitiononline.com/caplate/petition.html >>> >>> I just signed the petition which took about 20 seconds. Please >>> spread the word around and feel free(if ok with the moderators)to >>> post the same information on other forums. >>> In this group in particular, we only need remember that lovely day >>> over in Napa County when Officer Dudley Doright tagged a bunch of >>> NOBBC cars for this frivolous "offense". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> > > G. Mugele > mewgull at mugele.net > > *** Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's > already tomorrow in Australia. -- Charles M. Schulz > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Jan 17 14:07:40 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:07:40 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <560463ED-1021-48D8-856E-74AEFE572C47@sonic.net> References: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <560463ED-1021-48D8-856E-74AEFE572C47@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4972489C.5060502@sonic.net> Others are asking me about it also, is it a WCCC thing? Can you notify me (or the rest of us) about these in the future? Ron 58 MGA wendell bain wrote: > Hi Richard, > Responded to Gerry's inquiry yesterday with attached. Hope > you connected in time for the event. > > All the best, > > Wendell > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Sat Jan 17 14:28:12 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:28:12 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <4972489C.5060502@sonic.net> References: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <560463ED-1021-48D8-856E-74AEFE572C47@sonic.net> <4972489C.5060502@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1307421C-C9E8-4FC0-8915-1CE5B656CB31@sonic.net> Hi Ron, It is a separate club. You, and the others, need to get on their email list. Contact is Joan Geary at jgeary at earthlink.net. Wendell 59 Morgan On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Others are asking me about it also, is it a WCCC thing? Can you > notify me (or the rest of us) about these in the future? > > Ron > 58 MGA > > > > wendell bain wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> Responded to Gerry's inquiry yesterday with attached. Hope >> you connected in time for the event. >> All the best, >> Wendell > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sarto477 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 14:39:52 2009 From: sarto477 at yahoo.com (Sarto Rocheleau) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:39:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <1307421C-C9E8-4FC0-8915-1CE5B656CB31@sonic.net> Message-ID: <176651.87749.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi guys, I contacted Dick and here is what he had to say. Sarto --- On Sat, 1/17/09, scardamaglia at comcast.net wrote: > From: scardamaglia at comcast.net > Subject: Re: British cars > To: "Sarto Rocheleau" > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 8:48 AM > Sarto, > > Our tours are open to all collector-car makes which is part > of the great fun of the club. > > Our membership is reserved for Wine Country residents, > since most of us belong to other "make" clubs. > It's organized for us to drive our cars closer to home. > If you live in Napa or Sonoma or Solano or Marin, you are > more than welcome. > > Our numbers have grown so fast that we're having to > restrict the number of cars on any one event, since very few > restaurants can handle a large number of people. > > Today's event is completely full, but if you'll let > me know your residence, I will happily put you on the > membership list and you'll receive a flyer on each event > from now on. > > Hope to see you at a future Wine Country Car Club event. > > Dick Scardamaglia --- On Sat, 1/17/09, wendell bain wrote: > From: wendell bain > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 1:28 PM > Hi Ron, > It is a separate club. You, and the others, need to get on > their > email list. > > Contact is Joan Geary at jgeary at earthlink.net. > > Wendell > 59 Morgan > > > > > On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > > > Others are asking me about it also, is it a WCCC > thing? Can you > > notify me (or the rest of us) about these in the > future? > > > > Ron > > 58 MGA > > > > > > > > wendell bain wrote: > > > >> Hi Richard, > >> Responded to Gerry's inquiry yesterday with > attached. Hope > >> you connected in time for the event. > >> All the best, > >> Wendell > > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > > Nobbc mailing list > > Nobbc at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Jan 17 15:21:31 2009 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:21:31 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <1307421C-C9E8-4FC0-8915-1CE5B656CB31@sonic.net> References: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB0BF@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <560463ED-1021-48D8-856E-74AEFE572C47@sonic.net> <4972489C.5060502@sonic.net> <1307421C-C9E8-4FC0-8915-1CE5B656CB31@sonic.net> Message-ID: <497259EB.6010002@sonic.net> Thanks Wendell, I've asked Joan to notify us (Nobbc). Ron 58 MGA wendell bain wrote: > Hi Ron, > It is a separate club. You, and the others, need to get on their email > list. > > Contact is Joan Geary at jgeary at earthlink.net. > > Wendell > 59 Morgan From apexbrit2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 20:21:53 2009 From: apexbrit2 at gmail.com (Robin Jackson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:21:53 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Creative "solution" to the front license plate In-Reply-To: <469C9E62-9A1C-48ED-88E6-9208F7E93A59@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <3924ed760901150911v854c4diedd0b506ef648d39@mail.gmail.com> <469C9E62-9A1C-48ED-88E6-9208F7E93A59@sonic.net> Message-ID: <95a735e60901171921h4dd89f7bofabbc268c0a0d227@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Rod; I agree. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Rod Williams wrote: > FRONT LICENSE PLATES SUCK... >> > > Well.. my 42 year old MGB still has the original black/yellow > California front and back plates that it was sold with. So did my '67 > XKE. > They make a big deal of front plates around SF and other larger cities > because of red light cameras at intersections. Say what you will about > whether or not the cameras work or are turned on or if it's a black > helicopter and secret society conspiracy, if you happen to know > someone killed by a red light runner you might, just might have a > little broader opinion of front plates. > My 2" > -- > Rod Williams > Petaluma, California > 1967 MGB > _______________________________________________ > > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From rbrown at injexindustries.com Wed Jan 28 16:58:56 2009 From: rbrown at injexindustries.com (Richard Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> Talking of license plates, not sure if the members know or are interested but on July 1st this year you will be able to register your 1963 thru1969 vehicle with YOM (year of manufacture) license plates. This means if you can find a matched set of black plates that are not assigned to a vehicle you can register them to your own vehicle to complete that classic look. I have been following the price of CA black plates on ebay and they have doubled in price over the last year, a good set is $300!! A set that needs restoring are around $150! Thx Richard Brown 1968 XKE -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Willson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:29 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition At 01:48 PM 1/14/2009, you wrote: >I was one of the Nobbc group ticketed by Sgt. Awipe of the Napa county >mounties in a stunning display of judicial overkill. FWIW, I took my front plate off last year and haven't been bothered about it yet, even by a CHP who pulled me over and gave me an award for going really fast. ;-) I guess I've been lucky so far. Can you contest it and say it fell off? David Willson Sebastopol, CA 74 JH # 19377 Daily commuter 74 JH # 15244 Excellent parts car (need parts?) _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From mowog at sonic.net Wed Jan 28 18:26:40 2009 From: mowog at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:26:40 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> Message-ID: <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Richard Brown wrote: > on July 1st this year you will be able to register your 1963 > thru1969 vehicle > with YOM (year of manufacture) license plates. I wonder if you'll have to have a set of plates that were actually issued the same year as your car and, if so, how you find that out. I know from experience that the DMV's records only go back a few years. *Very* few. When I tried to register a 1979 Honda Trail 90 last year they just laughed. Fortunately, I had the original 1979 DMV registration showing the same license numbers as the blue/yellow plates on the bike. This is great news! -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From rbrown at injexindustries.com Wed Jan 28 19:01:06 2009 From: rbrown at injexindustries.com (Richard Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:06 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> Message-ID: <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB244@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> My information is that the actual year doesn't matter as long as the plate, in this case is black. I understand the CA DMV offered YOM plates 10years ago for the black letters on yellow plates (1950 something upto1962 maybe someone has changed theirs and can confirm if the actual year matters? -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rod Williams Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:27 PM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Richard Brown wrote: > on July 1st this year you will be able to register your 1963 > thru1969 vehicle > with YOM (year of manufacture) license plates. I wonder if you'll have to have a set of plates that were actually issued the same year as your car and, if so, how you find that out. I know from experience that the DMV's records only go back a few years. *Very* few. When I tried to register a 1979 Honda Trail 90 last year they just laughed. Fortunately, I had the original 1979 DMV registration showing the same license numbers as the blue/yellow plates on the bike. This is great news! -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sonomashoe at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 19:14:06 2009 From: sonomashoe at gmail.com (William Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:14:06 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> Message-ID: <498110EE.5030307@gmail.com> You will only have to match the correct plate color for that year..any '63 -'69 plate will work. Bill Shoemaker '56 Chevy, '61 Caddy '90 & '92 Jag XJ6's Rod Williams wrote: > On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Richard Brown wrote: > >> on July 1st this year you will be able to register your 1963 thru1969 >> vehicle >> with YOM (year of manufacture) license plates. > I wonder if you'll have to have a set of plates that were actually > issued the same year as your car and, if so, how you find that out. I > know from experience that the DMV's records only go back a few years. > *Very* few. When I tried to register a 1979 Honda Trail 90 last year > they just laughed. Fortunately, I had the original 1979 DMV > registration showing the same license numbers as the blue/yellow > plates on the bike. > This is great news! > -- > Rod Williams > Petaluma, California > 1967 MGB > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 07:39:38 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (Greg Tatarian) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:39:38 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update Message-ID: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> FYI: Cheers, Greg Tatarian Urgent Legislative Alert Dear Fellow Enthusiast, Last month, we sent you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed Cash for Clunkers bill that would threaten our hobby. Thanks to your overwhelming response, this legislation was dropped from the economic stimulus package. Congratulations for standing up for your rights as enthusiasts! We have just received a follow-up Legislative Alert from SEMA. New legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them crushed. This program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a monetary reward. The following information is directly from SEMA. If you would like to contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert. Thank you for your time, Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment Oppose Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program Our effort to prevent Congress from including a nationwide Cash for Clunkers program in the economic stimulus package has been successful  so far. Thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposition to the plan. The Speakers Office informed us that your emails, calls and faxes were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for Clunkers was not included in the economic stimulus package introduced in mid-January in the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to scrap this idea! Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) Immediately to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520 The so-called Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act is Cash for Clunkers with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on older cars, this program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings of any model year. Participants would receive cash vouchers ranging from $2,500 to $4,500 based on the model year and whether the replacement vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (MY 2004 or later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting at least 25 percent better mileage for the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) target for its class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one million cars a year for at least four years. There is no evidence that the program would achieve the goal of boosting new car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply dont work. The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable air quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a devastating impact on the many small businesses that market products and services for the scrapped cars. *Dont Delay! Please contact Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry Waxman today to urge their opposition to S. 247 and H.R. 520. For those who responded to our first call for action, we need you again, along with everyone else.* *Contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein to oppose S. 247* Click here to send an email: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe Call: (202) 224-3841 Fax: (202) 228-3954 *Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520* Click here to send an email: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&=view&id=1313&Itemid=1 Call: (202) 225-2927 Fax: (202) 225-2525 *Talking Points* *Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Accelerated Vehicle Retirement* * I am writing to urge lawmakers not to approve an accelerated vehicle retirement program. Even on a voluntary basis, the program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that depend on the used car market. These businesses are already very vulnerable in the weak economy. * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed since it does not target the gross polluter, an improperly maintained vehicle of any make or model year that has poor fuel mileage and dramatically more emissions due to poor maintenance. * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed because it does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected vehicles are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying rarely-driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact on overall fuel economy and air pollution. * Accelerated vehicle retirement wont generate many new car sales. The cash incentive provided will not be enough to enable a person to buy a new or used vehicle. * Accelerated vehicle retirement will compete with nonprofits that rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, such as the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities. * Accelerated vehicle retirement threatens to disrupt a large and complex industry which already handles scrappage, repair, remanufacturing and recycling issues. This independent industry provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues. * Accelerated vehicle retirement ignores better policy options. Taxpayer dollars would be better spent as direct tax incentives to purchase a fuel-efficient new or used car, without a government vehicle crushing program. Congress should also provide tax incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing cars, trucks and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and technologies that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower the emissions. * We hope we can count on you to reject Accelerated Vehicle Retirement. Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter. If you choose to send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. Waxman please forward a copy of your message to: E-mail: briand at sema.org From wbain at sonic.net Thu Jan 29 11:22:14 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:22:14 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Front Plate petition In-Reply-To: <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> References: <496E5DBF.1000104@sonic.net> <200901151529.n0FFT8we015049@a.mail.sonic.net> <7BE693B30171F34DB4481F82DCBB9294AAC2CCB233@INJEX-HQ-EX1.injexindustries.com> <32CA349E-703C-49AE-87CE-523025BB554D@sonic.net> Message-ID: I bought my vintage plates (yellow with black letters 1956) from a dealer and he had all the info DMV will need including copies of the pgs from the DMV manual covering the subject. The only item DMV had to mail was the small metal tag that you bolt above the license plates with the current (2009) sticker. Then they were $200. for a restored set. This was about ten years ago. So $300. sounds a little steep but probably about right. Also the plates were all the same except for the letter/number combination. So my car is a 59 and has the DMV sticker for that year but to the right of that is painted 1956 the first year these plates were used. They all have that up until the black w/yellow numbers came out. If you look at those plates they all have 63 in the upper right indent where the sticker goes. I will see if I can find the dealer info. Wendell 1959 Morgan On Jan 28, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Rod Williams wrote: > On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Richard Brown wrote: > >> on July 1st this year you will be able to register your 1963 >> thru1969 vehicle >> with YOM (year of manufacture) license plates. > I wonder if you'll have to have a set of plates that were actually > issued the same year as your car and, if so, how you find that out. > I know from experience that the DMV's records only go back a few > years. *Very* few. When I tried to register a 1979 Honda Trail 90 > last year they just laughed. Fortunately, I had the original 1979 > DMV registration showing the same license numbers as the blue/ > yellow plates on the bike. > This is great news! > -- > Rod Williams > Petaluma, California > 1967 MGB > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Thu Jan 29 11:52:14 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:52:14 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update In-Reply-To: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> References: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <598BA818-D4D5-408B-BD62-3FD4296DA193@sonic.net> Thanks for the update, Greg. I put in my two cents worth. Or with inflation factored in $75. worth. Wendell On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > S. 247 and H.R. 520 From bluesson at hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 14:28:01 2009 From: bluesson at hotmail.com (Tom Reier) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:28:01 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update In-Reply-To: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> References: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: You mean I shouldn't take the three hundred bucks for the morgan super sports sitting in the yard? > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:39:38 -0800> From: gtwincams at gmail.com> To: nobbc at autox.team.net> Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update> > FYI:> Cheers,> Greg Tatarian> > Urgent Legislative Alert > > > > Dear Fellow Enthusiast,> > Last month, we sent you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty > Equipment Market Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed Cash for > Clunkers bill that would threaten our hobby. Thanks to your > overwhelming response, this legislation was dropped from the economic > stimulus package. Congratulations for standing up for your rights as > enthusiasts!> > We have just received a follow-up Legislative Alert from SEMA. New > legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to > create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax > dollars to consumers who turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them > crushed. This program would target vehicles with low fuel economy > ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and > performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a monetary > reward.> > The following information is directly from SEMA. If you would like to > contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert.> > > Thank you for your time,> > Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment> > > > Oppose Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program> > Our effort to prevent Congress from including a nationwide Cash for > Clunkers program in the economic stimulus package has been successful  > so far. Thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) > enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposition to the > plan. The Speakers Office informed us that your emails, calls and faxes > were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for Clunkers was not > included in the economic stimulus package introduced in mid-January in > the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation (S. 247 and > H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle > scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who > turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to > scrap this idea!> > Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) > Immediately> to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520> > The so-called Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act is > Cash for Clunkers with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on older > cars, this program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings > of any model year. Participants would receive cash vouchers ranging from > $2,500 to $4,500 based on the model year and whether the replacement > vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (MY 2004 or > later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting at least 25 percent better > mileage for the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) target for its > class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one million cars a year for > at least four years.> > There is no evidence that the program would achieve the goal of boosting > new car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered > scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or > increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply dont work. > The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable air > quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a devastating impact > on the many small businesses that market products and services for the > scrapped cars.> > *Dont Delay! Please contact Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry > Waxman today to urge their opposition to S. 247 and H.R. 520. For those > who responded to our first call for action, we need you again, along > with everyone else.*> > *Contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein to oppose S. 247*> Click here to send an email: > http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe > > > Call: (202) 224-3841> Fax: (202) 228-3954> > *Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520*> Click here to send an email: > http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&=view&id=1313&It emid=1 > > Call: (202) 225-2927> Fax: (202) 225-2525> > *Talking Points*> *Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Accelerated Vehicle Retirement*> > * I am writing to urge lawmakers not to approve an accelerated> vehicle retirement program. Even on a voluntary basis, the> program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto> restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that> depend on the used car market. These businesses are already very> vulnerable in the weak economy.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed since it does> not target the gross polluter, an improperly maintained vehicle> of any make or model year that has poor fuel mileage and> dramatically more emissions due to poor maintenance.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed because it> does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected vehicles> are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying> rarely-driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact> on overall fuel economy and air pollution.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement wont generate many new car sales.> The cash incentive provided will not be enough to enable a person> to buy a new or used vehicle.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement will compete with nonprofits that> rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, such as the Salvation> Army, the Purple Heart and other charities.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement threatens to disrupt a large and> complex industry which already handles scrappage, repair,> remanufacturing and recycling issues. This independent industry> provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of> dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement ignores better policy options.> Taxpayer dollars would be better spent as direct tax incentives to> purchase a fuel-efficient new or used car, without a government> vehicle crushing program. Congress should also provide tax> incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing cars, trucks> and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and> technologies that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower> the emissions.> * We hope we can count on you to reject Accelerated Vehicle> Retirement. Thank you for your consideration on this very> important matter.> > If you choose to send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. > Waxman please forward a copy of your message to:> E-mail: briand at sema.org > _______________________________________________> Nobbc mailing list> Nobbc at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 012009 From gtwincams at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 15:01:47 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:01:47 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update In-Reply-To: References: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: Absolutely NOT - I'll give you $400... ;-) Greg Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Tom Reier Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:28:01 To: Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Legislative update You mean I shouldn't take the three hundred bucks for the morgan super sports sitting in the yard? > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:39:38 -0800> From: gtwincams at gmail.com> To: nobbc at autox.team.net> Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update> > FYI:> Cheers,> Greg Tatarian> > Urgent Legislative Alert > > > > Dear Fellow Enthusiast,> > Last month, we sent you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty > Equipment Market Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed Cash for > Clunkers bill that would threaten our hobby. Thanks to your > overwhelming response, this legislation was dropped from the economic > stimulus package. Congratulations for standing up for your rights as > enthusiasts!> > We have just received a follow-up Legislative Alert from SEMA. New > legislation (S. 247 and H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to > create a national vehicle scrappage program which will give U.S. tax > dollars to consumers who turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them > crushed. This program would target vehicles with low fuel economy > ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and > performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a monetary > reward.> > The following information is directly from SEMA. If you would like to > contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert.> > > Thank you for your time,> > Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment> > > > Oppose Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program> > Our effort to prevent Congress from including a nationwide Cash for > Clunkers program in the economic stimulus package has been successful  > so far. Thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) > enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in opposition to the > plan. The Speakers Office informed us that your emails, calls and faxes > were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for Clunkers was not > included in the economic stimulus package introduced in mid-January in > the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation (S. 247 and > H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national vehicle > scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who > turn-in their gas guzzlers to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to > scrap this idea!> > Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) > Immediately> to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520> > The so-called Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act is > Cash for Clunkers with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on older > cars, this program would target vehicles with low fuel economy ratings > of any model year. Participants would receive cash vouchers ranging from > $2,500 to $4,500 based on the model year and whether the replacement > vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (MY 2004 or > later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting at least 25 percent better > mileage for the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) target for its > class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one million cars a year for > at least four years.> > There is no evidence that the program would achieve the goal of boosting > new car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered > scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or > increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply dont work. > The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable air > quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a devastating impact > on the many small businesses that market products and services for the > scrapped cars.> > *Dont Delay! Please contact Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry > Waxman today to urge their opposition to S. 247 and H.R. 520. For those > who responded to our first call for action, we need you again, along > with everyone else.*> > *Contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein to oppose S. 247*> Click here to send an email: > http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe > > > Call: (202) 224-3841> Fax: (202) 228-3954> > *Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520*> Click here to send an email: > http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&=view&id=1313&It emid=1 > > Call: (202) 225-2927> Fax: (202) 225-2525> > *Talking Points*> *Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Accelerated Vehicle Retirement*> > * I am writing to urge lawmakers not to approve an accelerated> vehicle retirement program. Even on a voluntary basis, the> program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto> restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that> depend on the used car market. These businesses are already very> vulnerable in the weak economy.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed since it does> not target the gross polluter, an improperly maintained vehicle> of any make or model year that has poor fuel mileage and> dramatically more emissions due to poor maintenance.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed because it> does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected vehicles> are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying> rarely-driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact> on overall fuel economy and air pollution.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement wont generate many new car sales.> The cash incentive provided will not be enough to enable a person> to buy a new or used vehicle.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement will compete with nonprofits that> rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, such as the Salvation> Army, the Purple Heart and other charities.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement threatens to disrupt a large and> complex industry which already handles scrappage, repair,> remanufacturing and recycling issues. This independent industry> provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of> dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement ignores better policy options.> Taxpayer dollars would be better spent as direct tax incentives to> purchase a fuel-efficient new or used car, without a government> vehicle crushing program. Congress should also provide tax> incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing cars, trucks> and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and> technologies that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower> the emissions.> * We hope we can count on you to reject Accelerated Vehicle> Retirement. Thank you for your consideration on this very> important matter.> > If you choose to send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. > Waxman please forward a copy of your message to:> E-mail: briand at sema.org > _______________________________________________> Nobbc mailing list> Nobbc at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 012009 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 15:02:20 2009 From: gtwincams at gmail.com (gtwincams at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update Message-ID: Quite welcome, Wendell. Greg ------Original Message------ From: wendell bain Sender: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net To: North Bay British Car Club ReplyTo: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Legislative update Sent: Jan 29, 2009 10:52 AM Thanks for the update, Greg. I put in my two cents worth. Or with inflation factored in $75. worth. Wendell On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Greg Tatarian wrote: > S. 247 and H.R. 520 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From wbain at sonic.net Fri Jan 30 16:39:56 2009 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:39:56 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Legislative update In-Reply-To: References: <4981BFAA.4010408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2846F4D3-C7B1-4420-AE9F-6EAD53B0C176@sonic.net> Yes, I think I might keep the Maserati Tipo 61. On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Tom Reier wrote: > You mean I shouldn't take the three hundred bucks for the morgan > super sports > sitting in the yard? > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:39:38 -0800> From: > gtwincams at gmail.com> To: nobbc at autox.team.net> Subject: [Nobbc] > Legislative > update> > FYI:> Cheers,> Greg Tatarian> > Urgent Legislative Alert > > 1:114714034:CF562FB2 > 4F80E23A5302463E014F8223> > > > Dear Fellow Enthusiast,> > Last > month, we sent > you an Urgent Legislative Alert from The Specialty > Equipment Market > Association (SEMA) regarding a proposed Cash for > Clunkers bill > that would > threaten our hobby. Thanks to your > overwhelming response, this > legislation > was dropped from the economic > stimulus package. Congratulations > for standing > up for your rights as > enthusiasts!> > We have just received a > follow-up > Legislative Alert from SEMA. New > legislation (S. 247 and H.R. > 520) has been > introduced in Congress to > create a national vehicle scrappage > program which > will give U.S. tax > dollars to consumers who turn-in their gas > guzzlers to > have them > crushed. This program would target vehicles with low > fuel economy >> ratings of any model year. That means sports cars, SUVs, and > > performance-built vehicles could be crushed in exchange for a > monetary > > reward.> > The following information is directly from SEMA. If you > would like > to > contact the lawmaker, follow the instructions in the alert.> > > > Thank > you for your time,> > Your Friends at Summit Racing Equipment> > > > > Oppose > Federal Vehicle Scrappage Program> > Our effort to prevent Congress > from > including a nationwide Cash for > Clunkers program in the > economic stimulus > package has been successful  > so far. Thousands of SEMA members > and SEMA > Action Network (SAN) > enthusiasts contacted House Speaker Nancy > Pelosi in > opposition to the > plan. The Speakers Office informed us that > your emails, > calls and faxes > were received and, thanks to your work, Cash for > Clunkers > was not > included in the economic stimulus package introduced in > mid-January > in > the House of Representatives. Unfortunately, new legislation > (S. 247 and >> H.R. 520) has been introduced in Congress to create a national >> vehicle > > scrappage program which will give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who > > turn-in > their gas guzzlers to have them crushed. Lawmakers need to > > scrap this > idea!> > Contact Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry > Waxman (D-CA) >> Immediately> to Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520> > The so-called  >> Accelerated > Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act is > Cash for Clunkers with > a twist. > Instead of focusing exclusively on older > cars, this program would > target > vehicles with low fuel economy ratings > of any model year. > Participants would > receive cash vouchers ranging from > $2,500 to $4,500 based on the > model year > and whether the replacement > vehicle was a more fuel-efficient new > car or > used car (MY 2004 or > later). Fuel-efficient is defined as getting > at least > 25 percent better > mileage for the corporate average fuel economy > (CAFE) > target for its > class. The bill sponsors want to scrap up to one > million cars > a year for > at least four years.> > There is no evidence that the > program > would achieve the goal of boosting > new car sales or increasing > fuel mileage. > Many states have considered > scrappage programs in the past as a > way to help > clean the air or > increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because > they simply > dont work. > The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve > verifiable air > quality or fuel economy benefits, but they do have a > devastating impact > on the many small businesses that market > products and > services for the > scrapped cars.> > *Dont Delay! Please contact > Senator > Diane Feinstein and Rep. Henry > Waxman today to urge their > opposition to S. > 247 and H.R. 520. For those > who responded to our first call for > action, we > need you again, along > with everyone else.*> > *Contact Sen. > Dianne Feinstein > to oppose S. 247*> Click here to send an email: > > http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? > FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe > > 1:114714034:CF562FB2 > 4F80E23A5302463E014F8223> > > Call: (202) 224-3841> Fax: (202) > 228-3954> > > *Contact Henry Waxman to oppose HR 520*> Click here to send an > email: > > http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php? > option=com_content&=view&id=1313&It > emid=1 > > 1:114714034:CF562FB2 > 4F80E23A5302463E014F8223>> Call: (202) 225-2927> Fax: (202) > 225-2525> > > *Talking Points*> *Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for > Accelerated > Vehicle Retirement*> > * I am writing to urge lawmakers not to > approve an > accelerated> vehicle retirement program. Even on a voluntary > basis, the> > program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto> > restorers, > customizers and their customers across the country that> depend on > the used > car market. These businesses are already very> vulnerable in the weak > economy.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program is flawed > since it does> > not target the gross polluter, an improperly maintained vehicle> > of any make > or model year that has poor fuel mileage and> dramatically more > emissions due > to poor maintenance.> * An accelerated vehicle retirement program > is flawed > because it> does not factor-in how many miles-a-year the collected > vehicles> > are currently being driven. U.S. taxpayers will be buying> rarely- > driven > second and third vehicles that have minimal impact> on overall fuel > economy > and air pollution.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement wont generate > many new > car sales.> The cash incentive provided will not be enough to > enable a person> > to buy a new or used vehicle.> * Accelerated vehicle retirement > will compete > with nonprofits that> rely on vehicle donations to raise funds, > such as the > Salvation> Army, the Purple Heart and other charities.> * > Accelerated vehicle > retirement threatens to disrupt a large and> complex industry which > already > handles scrappage, repair,> remanufacturing and recycling issues. This > independent industry> provides thousands of American jobs and > generates > millions of> dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues.> * > Accelerated > vehicle retirement ignores better policy options.> Taxpayer dollars > would be > better spent as direct tax incentives to> purchase a fuel-efficient > new or > used car, without a government> vehicle crushing program. Congress > should also > provide tax> incentives to upgrade, repair and maintain existing > cars, trucks> > and SUVs. There are many commercially available products and> > technologies > that can substantially improve fuel mileage and lower> the > emissions.> * We > hope we can count on you to reject Accelerated Vehicle> > Retirement. Thank > you for your consideration on this very> important matter.> > If > you choose to > send a note and/or message to Sen. Feinstein and Rep. > Waxman > please forward > a copy of your message to:> E-mail: briand at sema.org > > > _______________________________________________> Nobbc mailing list>