From wbain at sonic.net Fri Nov 2 11:42:19 2007 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:42:19 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Nobbc Reminder In-Reply-To: <4726B51B.4020202@sonic.net> References: <200710292313.l9TND1Kp019825@h.mx.sonic.net> <4726B51B.4020202@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2BEC77E8-23BA-4AC0-88B3-EC4746669248@sonic.net> Well running a Morgan, and I rarely have the top up, I don't have a heater except what engine heat drifts through the firewall. Cut away doors don't keep much of the elements out. I have been caught out in the rain a few times. The wipers are a joke. On the lasts Morgan Club Tour up to Mt. Shasta, we had snow. So what the hell, go anyway!!! Wendell 59 Morgan On Oct 29, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Well the reason was that it takes longer for the day to warm up in the > winter months and no one wanted to ride in the cold. Usually, by noon, > the fog has lifted and the day has warmed to a reasonable temperature. > We always used to start at 10 AM year round, got to the point where no > one was showing up for the rides so we changed to noon and had good > turnouts. Maybe instead of stopping for lunch, we could stop for a > snack > and brew ;-) > > I remember one winter ride to Willets to meet the NCBCC, must have > been > in the low 30's when we started at 9:00 and in the 60's when we > returned > in the afternoon. That was one cold, foggy freeway ride. > > Anybody else want to weigh in? Let's see what the concensus is and > decide. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Andy Preston wrote: > >> Ron, I spoke to Dean at the last but one ride and several others >> in the past >> about the time of the winter rides. Everyone agreed that noon is >> such an >> awkward time. You've got to have an early lunch before the ride >> or a late >> lunch after the ride. What is the reason for the time change? >> Can you take >> a poll of the regular riders and see what they think. >> >> Many thanks Andy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Engelhardt [mailto:nobbc at sonic.net] >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:43 PM >> Cc: nobbc at autox.team.net >> Subject: Nobbc Reminder >> >> Our last October ride is scheduled for this coming Sunday 10/28 at >> 10AM. >> We'll meet at the usual spot west of 101 on River Rd. (PG&E >> Substation). >> Nothing has been suggested or planned so the group attending will >> decide on a route. >> >> Our winter schedule will start next month with a ride on 11/10 >> starting at noon. While we will schedule only one ride a month for >> the >> cold season, unscheduled rides and events are always welcome. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From wbain at sonic.net Sun Nov 4 11:07:42 2007 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:07:42 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Nobbc Reminder In-Reply-To: <4726B51B.4020202@sonic.net> References: <200710292313.l9TND1Kp019825@h.mx.sonic.net> <4726B51B.4020202@sonic.net> Message-ID: <0273567B-6C74-47E1-A44E-8FEB5C92D456@sonic.net> I think we could start a little earlier. Maybe meet around 11am. If it's going to be a miserable day, it's going to be a miserably day and we should postpone the run. Otherwise let's go for it. I like the idea of stopping for a snack and a brew. Of course if you make it lunch in an interesting place, it will attract more of the ladies to come along. Wendell 59 Morgan On Oct 29, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Well the reason was that it takes longer for the day to warm up in the > winter months and no one wanted to ride in the cold. Usually, by noon, > the fog has lifted and the day has warmed to a reasonable temperature. > We always used to start at 10 AM year round, got to the point where no > one was showing up for the rides so we changed to noon and had good > turnouts. Maybe instead of stopping for lunch, we could stop for a > snack > and brew ;-) > > I remember one winter ride to Willets to meet the NCBCC, must have > been > in the low 30's when we started at 9:00 and in the 60's when we > returned > in the afternoon. That was one cold, foggy freeway ride. > > Anybody else want to weigh in? Let's see what the concensus is and > decide. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Andy Preston wrote: > >> Ron, I spoke to Dean at the last but one ride and several others >> in the past >> about the time of the winter rides. Everyone agreed that noon is >> such an >> awkward time. You've got to have an early lunch before the ride >> or a late >> lunch after the ride. What is the reason for the time change? >> Can you take >> a poll of the regular riders and see what they think. >> >> Many thanks Andy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Engelhardt [mailto:nobbc at sonic.net] >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:43 PM >> Cc: nobbc at autox.team.net >> Subject: Nobbc Reminder >> >> Our last October ride is scheduled for this coming Sunday 10/28 at >> 10AM. >> We'll meet at the usual spot west of 101 on River Rd. (PG&E >> Substation). >> Nothing has been suggested or planned so the group attending will >> decide on a route. >> >> Our winter schedule will start next month with a ride on 11/10 >> starting at noon. While we will schedule only one ride a month for >> the >> cold season, unscheduled rides and events are always welcome. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Sun Nov 4 17:34:39 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Nobbc wendell bain- References: <200710292313.l9TND1Kp019825@h.mx.sonic.net><4726B51B.4020202@sonic.net> <0273567B-6C74-47E1-A44E-8FEB5C92D456@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000401c81f43$a71832f0$8f15e404@stevewbxu6x2qe> nows here,s a guy w/a brain! windell i like the way you think.(ladys along)....... steve.loveland co. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wendell bain" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Nobbc Reminder >I think we could start a little earlier. Maybe meet around 11am. If > it's going > to be a miserable day, it's going to be a miserably day and we should > postpone the run. Otherwise let's go for it. > I like the idea of stopping for a snack and a brew. Of course if you > make it > lunch in an interesting place, it will attract more of the ladies to > come > along. > > Wendell > 59 Morgan > > On Oct 29, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > >> Well the reason was that it takes longer for the day to warm up in the >> winter months and no one wanted to ride in the cold. Usually, by noon, >> the fog has lifted and the day has warmed to a reasonable temperature. >> We always used to start at 10 AM year round, got to the point where no >> one was showing up for the rides so we changed to noon and had good >> turnouts. Maybe instead of stopping for lunch, we could stop for a >> snack >> and brew ;-) >> >> I remember one winter ride to Willets to meet the NCBCC, must have >> been >> in the low 30's when we started at 9:00 and in the 60's when we >> returned >> in the afternoon. That was one cold, foggy freeway ride. >> >> Anybody else want to weigh in? Let's see what the concensus is and >> decide. >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> >> Andy Preston wrote: >> >>> Ron, I spoke to Dean at the last but one ride and several others >>> in the past >>> about the time of the winter rides. Everyone agreed that noon is >>> such an >>> awkward time. You've got to have an early lunch before the ride >>> or a late >>> lunch after the ride. What is the reason for the time change? >>> Can you take >>> a poll of the regular riders and see what they think. >>> >>> Many thanks Andy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ron Engelhardt [mailto:nobbc at sonic.net] >>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:43 PM >>> Cc: nobbc at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Nobbc Reminder >>> >>> Our last October ride is scheduled for this coming Sunday 10/28 at >>> 10AM. >>> We'll meet at the usual spot west of 101 on River Rd. (PG&E >>> Substation). >>> Nothing has been suggested or planned so the group attending will >>> decide on a route. >>> >>> Our winter schedule will start next month with a ride on 11/10 >>> starting at noon. While we will schedule only one ride a month for >>> the >>> cold season, unscheduled rides and events are always welcome. >>> >>> Ron >>> 58 MGA >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Sun Nov 4 19:16:41 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:16:41 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Start time Message-ID: <472E7D09.9020409@sonic.net> Well there doesn't seem to be a concensus on our winter start time, opinions seem evenly divided. I propose that we try starting at 11 instead of noon...seems like a compromise that should keep everyone happy. Late enough to maybe have warmed up and early enough for a lunch somewhere. If it doesn't work out, we can change back. As always, rain will cancel or postpone. Remember, unscheduled rides or events are always welcome (and you can name your own start time!). Comments? Thoughts? Beers? Ron 58 MGA From FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET Mon Nov 5 17:40:25 2007 From: FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET (JOHN KENNER) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:40:25 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Start time In-Reply-To: <472E7D09.9020409@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20071106004106.251E81879F8@autox.team.net> if we start at 11 and take a few twisty country roads we could be at the taco truck in Guerneville by noon john kenner -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:17 PM To: nobbc at autox.team.net Subject: [Nobbc] Start time Well there doesn't seem to be a concensus on our winter start time, opinions seem evenly divided. I propose that we try starting at 11 instead of noon...seems like a compromise that should keep everyone happy. Late enough to maybe have warmed up and early enough for a lunch somewhere. If it doesn't work out, we can change back. As always, rain will cancel or postpone. Remember, unscheduled rides or events are always welcome (and you can name your own start time!). Comments? Thoughts? Beers? Ron 58 MGA _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From riprock99 at comcast.net Mon Nov 5 18:35:45 2007 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:35:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Start time References: <20071106004106.251E81879F8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000401c82015$5aa935e0$0400a8c0@budda> That will guarantee the ladies will go! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN KENNER" To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time > if we start at 11 and take a few twisty country roads > we could be at the taco truck in Guerneville by noon > > john kenner > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:17 PM > To: nobbc at autox.team.net > Subject: [Nobbc] Start time > > Well there doesn't seem to be a concensus on our winter start time, > opinions seem evenly divided. I propose that we try starting at 11 > instead of noon...seems like a compromise that should keep everyone > happy. Late enough to maybe have warmed up and early enough for a lunch > somewhere. If it doesn't work out, we can change back. As always, rain > will cancel or postpone. Remember, unscheduled rides or events are > always welcome (and you can name your own start time!). > > Comments? Thoughts? Beers? > > Ron > 58 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Mon Nov 5 21:54:18 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Triumph project-gt-6 elect. conv. References: <000601c82003$7082f340$0400a8c0@MikeLaptop> Message-ID: <002001c82031$174bf780$e9d7e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> hello mike- hope you dont mind- yes i have forwarded this as you can see to the north bay brit. car club. www.nobbc.com there are a few folks down there that are working on a few brit car convershions. yes let,s hook up soon- steve lehmann-hahn p+h-ault project.sheet metal. mike lv. message w/sandy at shop. anytime weekday after 4:00 p.m. should do for me. my home tele is 613-8628-loveland. tx. i.a. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Haddorff To: sand at frii.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Triumph project Hi Steve I just received your note. I would be glad to show the car to you........ Let me know what works...... Mike Haddorff 567-1787C From sand at frii.com Mon Nov 5 22:08:22 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:08:22 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Start time-scott-john kenner -call me.NOW. References: <20071106004106.251E81879F8@autox.team.net> <000401c82015$5aa935e0$0400a8c0@budda> Message-ID: <002a01c82033$0e503ea0$e9d7e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> scott-jhon-we need to talk. taco wagon g-ville- is that the best we can do? steve.colorado.970-613-8628 i need to go dry my eyes- buy i must say jhon that sounds like a hell of a good plan to me. pehaps the bullpin or or rainbow cattle co. after that for drinks? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Irwin" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time > That will guarantee the ladies will go! > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN KENNER" > To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time > > >> if we start at 11 and take a few twisty country roads >> we could be at the taco truck in Guerneville by noon >> >> john kenner >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On >> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:17 PM >> To: nobbc at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Nobbc] Start time >> >> Well there doesn't seem to be a concensus on our winter start time, >> opinions seem evenly divided. I propose that we try starting at 11 >> instead of noon...seems like a compromise that should keep everyone >> happy. Late enough to maybe have warmed up and early enough for a lunch >> somewhere. If it doesn't work out, we can change back. As always, rain >> will cancel or postpone. Remember, unscheduled rides or events are >> always welcome (and you can name your own start time!). >> >> Comments? Thoughts? Beers? >> >> Ron >> 58 MGA >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From riprock99 at comcast.net Wed Nov 7 10:26:23 2007 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:26:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Start time-scott-john kenner -call me.NOW. References: <20071106004106.251E81879F8@autox.team.net><000401c82015$5aa935e0$0400a8c0@budda> <002a01c82033$0e503ea0$e9d7e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> Message-ID: <002301c82163$5244d220$0400a8c0@budda> I'm not sure this is a ride weekend, but I'll be in Tracy performing for a Scotish thing on Saturday anyway. I've had some of the best Mexican food from taco wagons in Oakland before, so it's not really a bad idea if your palette (I can't find this word used in this manner in the dictionary?) tends that way. Maybe a photo op? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lehmann" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time-scott-john kenner -call me.NOW. > scott-jhon-we need to talk. > taco wagon g-ville- > is that the best we can do? > steve.colorado.970-613-8628 > i need to go dry my eyes- > buy i must say jhon that sounds like a hell of a good plan to me. > pehaps the bullpin or or rainbow cattle co. after that for drinks? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Irwin" > To: "North Bay British Car Club" > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time > > >> That will guarantee the ladies will go! >> >> Scott >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JOHN KENNER" >> To: "'North Bay British Car Club'" >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Start time >> >> >>> if we start at 11 and take a few twisty country roads >>> we could be at the taco truck in Guerneville by noon >>> >>> john kenner >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Ron Engelhardt >>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:17 PM >>> To: nobbc at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Nobbc] Start time >>> >>> Well there doesn't seem to be a concensus on our winter start time, >>> opinions seem evenly divided. I propose that we try starting at 11 >>> instead of noon...seems like a compromise that should keep everyone >>> happy. Late enough to maybe have warmed up and early enough for a lunch >>> somewhere. If it doesn't work out, we can change back. As always, rain >>> will cancel or postpone. Remember, unscheduled rides or events are >>> always welcome (and you can name your own start time!). >>> >>> Comments? Thoughts? Beers? >>> >>> Ron >>> 58 MGA >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nobbc mailing list >>> Nobbc at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Wed Nov 7 13:48:02 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:48:02 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Ride reminder Message-ID: <47322482.70502@sonic.net> This Saturday (11/10) will be our November ride date. Per the discussion on our list server, the ride time start will be 11 AM in the commuter lot just west of 101 on River Rd. Our winter rides usually start at noon but many members felt this was too late, others felt that 10 was too early on cold mornings so we'll try 11 and see how it works. Feedback can be provided on our list server. If you haven't already joined, please do so at: http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc. This is also a good place to suggest other rides or events during the month. For instance, someone might want to do a Thanksgiving weekend ride. Ron 58 MGA From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 16:00:05 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:00:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! Message-ID: <344092.8908.qm@web56212.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 owner/operators out there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... I haven't seen ANY old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From riprock99 at comcast.net Wed Nov 7 16:28:58 2007 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:28:58 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! References: <344092.8908.qm@web56212.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c82195$f95eea50$0400a8c0@budda> Hi Tim, I new a guy named Art Twain in the Oakland hills that had a very nice yellow one. Haven't talked to him for years though. I'm in San Rafael with a '65 Spit running and a '68 GT6 buried in the garage that may never see the light of day again, as I have no room to do anything for it. Scott Irwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 > owner/operators out > there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... > I haven't seen ANY > old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Wed Nov 7 19:06:10 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners !tim brown-welcome References: <344092.8908.qm@web56212.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c821ab$ef4ca140$8ffae304@stevewbxu6x2qe> hello tim-nobbc has many tr-3 folk-at least 3 off the top of my head. you would also be likeley to find many more in the so.bay-menlow park,palo alto area- try sorry safari for a start.-i think there are in palo alto- i could be wrong but i think they started as a hewlet packard brit. car club in the heyday of h.p. anyway do just bear in mind nobbc welcomes all and is and shall ever be a DUES FREE CLUB belive it or not! good for you tim-welcome to nobbc! steve lehmann, co-founder nobbc. now in loveland co. 67-tr4-a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 > owner/operators out > there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... > I haven't seen ANY > old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 06:25:59 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners !tim brown-welcome In-Reply-To: <001601c821ab$ef4ca140$8ffae304@stevewbxu6x2qe> Message-ID: <697811.42084.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thank you Sir ! I will try to find the Palo Alto people ... that is my home town. Thanks for the welcome ! Steve Lehmann wrote: hello tim-nobbc has many tr-3 folk-at least 3 off the top of my head. you would also be likeley to find many more in the so.bay-menlow park,palo alto area- try sorry safari for a start.-i think there are in palo alto- i could be wrong but i think they started as a hewlet packard brit. car club in the heyday of h.p. anyway do just bear in mind nobbc welcomes all and is and shall ever be a DUES FREE CLUB belive it or not! good for you tim-welcome to nobbc! steve lehmann, co-founder nobbc. now in loveland co. 67-tr4-a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 > owner/operators out > there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... > I haven't seen ANY > old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 06:34:06 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:34:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! In-Reply-To: <001401c82195$f95eea50$0400a8c0@budda> Message-ID: <54868.26193.qm@web56210.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thank you Sir ... speaking of Spit's, I just sold mine last month ... bought and restored in Portland, Or., moved here and could not pass smog ( '76 ) as I had a webber and header, no smog stuff at all, couldn't even sell it ... only mechanic I could find was Clint Wright ( of Ed Wright car repair ( : - ( ) ), $1000.00 parts and $4000.00 labor and I passed smog .. decided I never wanted to deal with the state again .. put it on Scotts list, 1 week later GONE.Bought a '60 TR3 and now focus energy on restoring that. Thanks for the welcome ! Scott Irwin wrote: Hi Tim, I new a guy named Art Twain in the Oakland hills that had a very nice yellow one. Haven't talked to him for years though. I'm in San Rafael with a '65 Spit running and a '68 GT6 buried in the garage that may never see the light of day again, as I have no room to do anything for it. Scott Irwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 > owner/operators out > there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... > I haven't seen ANY > old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From riprock99 at comcast.net Thu Nov 8 15:08:18 2007 From: riprock99 at comcast.net (Scott Irwin) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:18 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! References: <54868.26193.qm@web56210.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c82253$dee1d070$0400a8c0@budda> Yeah, it's a pain. Just stay clear of the late seventies-early eighties when smog tech was poor and you should be OK. They want the orig equip in place, even if it doesn't work! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Thank you Sir ... speaking of Spit's, I just sold mine last month ... > bought and restored > in Portland, Or., moved here and could not pass smog ( '76 ) as I had a > webber and header, > no smog stuff at all, couldn't even sell it ... only mechanic I could > find was Clint Wright ( of > Ed Wright car repair ( : - ( ) ), $1000.00 parts and $4000.00 labor and > I passed smog .. > decided I never wanted to deal with the state again .. put it on Scotts > list, 1 week later > GONE.Bought a '60 TR3 and now focus energy on restoring that. Thanks for > the welcome ! > > Scott Irwin wrote: > Hi Tim, I new a guy named Art Twain in the Oakland hills that had a very > nice yellow one. Haven't talked to him for years though. I'm in San Rafael > with a '65 Spit running and a '68 GT6 buried in the garage that may never > see the light of day again, as I have no room to do anything for it. > > Scott Irwin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:00 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > > >> Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 >> owner/operators out >> there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... >> I haven't seen ANY >> old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Thu Nov 8 21:52:32 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:52:32 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] attn:scott irwin Message-ID: <000901c8228c$57941ef0$fbf8e304@stevewbxu6x2qe> go direct please. sand at frii.com tx- steve and dee-colorado controll centroll. From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 07:33:24 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:33:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! In-Reply-To: <000b01c82253$dee1d070$0400a8c0@budda> Message-ID: <206432.8955.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ironic thing is, it passed the test except for the missing eqipment ... the engine had 4500 miles and ran well ... they didn't care though. Live, learn and PAY. Scott Irwin wrote: Yeah, it's a pain. Just stay clear of the late seventies-early eighties when smog tech was poor and you should be OK. They want the orig equip in place, even if it doesn't work! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > Thank you Sir ... speaking of Spit's, I just sold mine last month ... > bought and restored > in Portland, Or., moved here and could not pass smog ( '76 ) as I had a > webber and header, > no smog stuff at all, couldn't even sell it ... only mechanic I could > find was Clint Wright ( of > Ed Wright car repair ( : - ( ) ), $1000.00 parts and $4000.00 labor and > I passed smog .. > decided I never wanted to deal with the state again .. put it on Scotts > list, 1 week later > GONE.Bought a '60 TR3 and now focus energy on restoring that. Thanks for > the welcome ! > > Scott Irwin wrote: > Hi Tim, I new a guy named Art Twain in the Oakland hills that had a very > nice yellow one. Haven't talked to him for years though. I'm in San Rafael > with a '65 Spit running and a '68 GT6 buried in the garage that may never > see the light of day again, as I have no room to do anything for it. > > Scott Irwin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:00 PM > Subject: [Nobbc] TR3 owners ! > > >> Hello members ! I have just subscribed to the Nobbc ... any TR3 >> owner/operators out >> there ? I live in oakland, may be a little far south for most of you... >> I haven't seen ANY >> old British cars in my area, been here three years ... am I alone ? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobbc at sonic.net Fri Nov 9 14:35:25 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:35:25 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Weather for tomorrow's ride Message-ID: <4734D29D.7060806@sonic.net> So far, it looks like the weather tomorrow will be good for our ride. The rain isn't supposed to start until early evening so we should miss it. It will be partly cloudy and cool but still top down weather! Ron 58 MGA From sand at frii.com Fri Nov 9 20:15:06 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:15:06 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] sat ride pics wanted---u-know where. Message-ID: <000801c82347$e55fa540$f6d0e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> spam and slam me- send up that good stuff from cali.up the hill. belive it or not the tr4-a.after 4 weeks in the sick bay(cold-flat tire) went to fort collins-ault-greeley-back to loveland today-and it,s november 8th- maybe cheyenne before weekends end?estes park if a real man i am. we will see.bought 28-32 in morn but warms up to a nice mid 60 by noontime-YES TOP DOWN WEATHER!!!-perfect!!!!-send them photos folks!!!!!!!! sand at frii.com enjoy the ride saturday-tx-s.j.l. From nobbc at sonic.net Sat Nov 10 11:08:54 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:08:54 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Rain date Message-ID: <4735F3B6.1030604@sonic.net> It's drizzling as I write this and looks like it will only get rainier today so we'll postpone the ride until tomorrow when the weather is forecast to be better. If not, then we can do it next weekend. So the revised plan will be to meet tomorrow (Sunday) at 11 AM in the usual spot west of 101 on River Rd. From millerij at mac.com Sun Nov 11 17:57:30 2007 From: millerij at mac.com (Ivan J. Miller) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:57:30 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sweet Ride Message-ID: Hey Sweet Ride on Sweetwater Road! Thanks for the nice cool drive. Ivan Ivan Miller millerij at mac.com From nobbc at sonic.net Sun Nov 11 19:20:43 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:20:43 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sweet Ride In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4737B87B.5060601@sonic.net> Heh, yes it was! Those who missed it, missed a good one. This was Ivan's first club ride and, hopefully, not his last. He drives a TR-6 and lives in Calistoga, maybe we can talk him into starting a ride there sometime, perhaps over to Lake Berryessa. Ron 58 MGA Ivan J. Miller wrote: > Hey Sweet Ride on Sweetwater Road! > > Thanks for the nice cool drive. > > Ivan > > > Ivan Miller > millerij at mac.com > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at pacbell.net Mon Nov 12 05:27:51 2007 From: gtwincams at pacbell.net (gtwincams) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:27:51 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sweet Ride In-Reply-To: <4737B87B.5060601@sonic.net> References: <4737B87B.5060601@sonic.net> Message-ID: <473846C7.7020901@pacbell.net> Tell us more about the drive, Ron. Trish and I couldn't make it yesterday, to our dismay. Cheers, Greg Tatarian Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Heh, yes it was! Those who missed it, missed a good one. This was Ivan's > first club ride and, hopefully, not his last. He drives a TR-6 and lives > in Calistoga, maybe we can talk him into starting a ride there sometime, > perhaps over to Lake Berryessa. > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Ivan J. Miller wrote: > > >> Hey Sweet Ride on Sweetwater Road! >> >> Thanks for the nice cool drive. >> >> Ivan >> >> >> Ivan Miller >> millerij at mac.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >> > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From nobbc at sonic.net Mon Nov 12 10:06:45 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:06:45 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Sweet Ride In-Reply-To: <473846C7.7020901@pacbell.net> References: <4737B87B.5060601@sonic.net> <473846C7.7020901@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <47388825.3030204@sonic.net> Well, we went out River Rd. to Wohler Rd. then Westside Rd. to Sweetwater Springs Rd. Sweetwater Springs Rd. runs from near Hop Kiln Winery over the mountain to Armstrong Woods Rd. It's a great, scenic, twisty road well suited to our cars. Once we got to Gurneville, we stopped at the Taco truck for lunch then headed home. We don't have any more scheduled rides this month but anyone can suggest an adlib ride and, I'm sure, find some interest. Pick your own starting place, day, time and destination and some of us will show up. For instance, Wendall's Boxing Day run next month. Maybe someone would like to do some more tech sessions or ??? Ron 58 MGA gtwincams wrote: > Tell us more about the drive, Ron. Trish and I couldn't make it > yesterday, to our dismay. > Cheers, > Greg Tatarian > > > > Ron Engelhardt wrote: > >>Heh, yes it was! Those who missed it, missed a good one. This was Ivan's >>first club ride and, hopefully, not his last. He drives a TR-6 and lives >>in Calistoga, maybe we can talk him into starting a ride there sometime, >>perhaps over to Lake Berryessa. >> >>Ron >>58 MGA >> >>Ivan J. Miller wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey Sweet Ride on Sweetwater Road! >>> >>>Thanks for the nice cool drive. >>> >>>Ivan >>> >>> >>>Ivan Miller >>>millerij at mac.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Nobbc mailing list >>>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Nobbc mailing list >>Nobbc at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Mon Nov 12 18:01:23 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] nobbc sced.-rides- Message-ID: <000801c82590$b67ec9e0$50d0e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> hey folks it,s YOUR club do do w/as you please-as ron say,s call for a ride -see what transpires- this is the true esence of the non-organised un-governed club- anybody at anytime can throw together anything they want and put it on the table! nobody is going to poo-poo it.(they better not-that will be a nobbc law!) it might not work but throw it out there anyway! hey,this is nobbc,everbody is equal-there are no bosses or rules. (well maybe decent conduct and a somewhat clean shirt)- remimber the olden days and a come as you are party- well then there it is. nobody at nobbc is a boss. it,s everbodys club. have fun and enjoy. aint no law says you cant have a midweek coffee-right? hey it,s been working for 5 plus years this way- (aug-4th-01) simplicity is the attraction. steve lehmann-(missing the cali rides) my tr4-a is in garage as i write-snow 2 night forcast. 46 deg-F at 5:58 p.m.-(and dropping like a stone) From sand at frii.com Mon Nov 19 21:51:03 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:51:03 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) Message-ID: <002801c82b30$f4d05e20$c4ffe304@stevewbxu6x2qe> hey guys beware- new furnaces of the 90% effecentcey range are getting very bad-lenox-armstrong- gibson- brands my own home is a continuing experment-bad flu preshure switches-altitude adjustements ect. my shop is getting callbacks on machines we installed 2 days ago w/a rating of 90 plus effenencey- so if your thinking of a new furnace this year------- guys ive been at it for 30 years- going "green" is gonna be a waste- (and leave you in the cold) go w/a 80 per cent unit and you will be o.k. the new 90 plus stuff controlls are just to dame hypersensitive and not to mention honeywell controlls made in mexico- just wanted to give a fair warning- we are going to go w/a policey of a warrinty on 80 per cent units-any callbacks on a 90 plus -your paying us time and travell- From davidwi at sonic.net Tue Nov 20 08:54:21 2007 From: davidwi at sonic.net (David Willson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:54:21 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) In-Reply-To: <002801c82b30$f4d05e20$c4ffe304@stevewbxu6x2qe> References: <002801c82b30$f4d05e20$c4ffe304@stevewbxu6x2qe> Message-ID: <200711201554.lAKFs1W7029363@a.mail.sonic.net> Steve, I not only strongly disagree with your recommendations of only going with 80% efficiency furnaces, but I don't want to read about it on a list devoted to British cars nor want to see a thread develop on it. I consider this like spam. David Willson Sebastopol, CA From DPaige at ci.santa-rosa.ca.us Tue Nov 20 09:43:49 2007 From: DPaige at ci.santa-rosa.ca.us (Paige, Dean) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:43:49 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) In-Reply-To: <200711201554.lAKFs1W7029363@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <38EB329C843ED444A8CF05627CC4BFA612B5BC@mail2.sr.local> A little calm reason here por favor. We are a club, we are individuals, we have differing skills and knowledge. We talk about more than just our cars. Believe me at our road or park, ocean or lake side lunches our cars are usually not the primary topic of conversation except when approached by admiring strangers. At least that is the case for those folks I have toured with over the last many years. A little tolerance is a good thing David. Peevishness is not. I think of this forum as a way to learn more about all of our members share info of many types and coordinate our activities. Kind of a local cyber pub if you will. A "CHEERS kind of place. For in detail discussion of the particular Marque(s) you own I would suggest you do as I do in subscribing to the autox.team.net triumph list and subscribe to one of the autox lists devoted to nothing but them if that is all you want out of a local club's forum. One other thing. I think it was best said in the movie 'High Sierra' We are here in this forum after deciding amongst ourselves. "BADGE? We don't need no steenking badge" or to paraphrase in the case of NOBBC... "RULES!? "We don't need no steenking rules" Deano (co founder NOBBC) This message is not meant to represent the views of any other NOBBC founders and members. You results may vary and I welcome any convivial discussion of this issue. -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Willson Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:54 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) Steve, I not only strongly disagree with your recommendations of only going with 80% efficiency furnaces, but I don't want to read about it on a list devoted to British cars nor want to see a thread develop on it. I consider this like spam. David Willson Sebastopol, CA _______________________________________________ From sand at frii.com Tue Nov 20 18:20:58 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) References: <002801c82b30$f4d05e20$c4ffe304@stevewbxu6x2qe> <200711201554.lAKFs1W7029363@a.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <000a01c82bdc$c66e8370$c5d2e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> with all due respect mr. willson, i was simply trying to get word out to many a friend that may be considering a new home furnace this year to evaluate what you may be getting into w/going w/a new 90 percent or plus effienct machine,and please pardon my spelling if you will. at least 50 per cent of the nobbc carclub i know face to face and many new folks i do not considering i moved to colorado 3 years ago- i have been in the sheet metal h.v.a.c. 30 years and have a list of credentials longer than the hood (bonnet) of a rolls royce. i was simply trying to share some info w/nobbc folks and w/any good luck shed some light (and save some folks considerable headaches)- the subject line on the e-mail was new home furnaces,not car related,it was very clear. sorry for the inconvence sir. sincerly, steven j. lehmann 1/4 co-founders nobbc. p.s. if i get word of failing lug nuts from moss and vicey brit ill just wait till they recall them. i wont bother giving a heads up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Willson" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] new home funaces-90%plus-warnings-steve.(not car news) > Steve, I not only strongly disagree with your recommendations of only > going with 80% efficiency furnaces, but I don't want to read about it > on a list devoted to British cars nor want to see a thread develop on > it. I consider this like spam. > > David Willson > Sebastopol, CA > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Tue Nov 20 18:32:42 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] THANK YOU DEANO,STEVE. Message-ID: <002001c82bde$69da56f0$c5d2e104@stevewbxu6x2qe> tx.deano.-say hello to M. From gtwincams at pacbell.net Wed Nov 21 07:57:17 2007 From: gtwincams at pacbell.net (gtwincams) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:57:17 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 - cars 15 yrs old + Message-ID: <4744474D.9060100@pacbell.net> Hi NOBBCers For those who have been following A.B. 616, which requires annual smog checks for vehicles 15 years and older (that's all cars, by the way, including our currently exempted 1975 or older classics), it has been set aside for the year, but was previously approved by the full California Assembly (!) and Senate Transportation Committee. Part of the money would be used to scrap older vehicles, encouraging even further reduction in available classic cars, and increasing costs for those remaining. So far, the committee members were convinced that these vintage cars represent a very small portion of the vehicle population, and the extra regulation would not have provided sufficient emission reductions to be justified. What this means is that the bill could be introduced next year, or the next. I bring this to your attention not to elicit political diatribes about California politics, but to ask you all to stay on your toes about pending legislation regarding classic cars, and be ready to add your voices to those who have worked to sideline this bill (various car clubs, SEMA, etc.). Most states retain a rolling exemption, something we also enjoyed in California until it was repealed a couple of years ago. That has sent the value of post-1975 classics down (unless they are much rarer, exotic, or high-performance), and essentially stalling the lower-cost classic car market in the state. For those NOBBC members with British classics that will not pass a rolling road smog check, don't have all or functioning smog gear (much is not available for some cars), this type of legislation would require selling the vehicle or converting it to another engine, something that is not of interest to many. So, please stay aware of the issue, and if you read or hear something new, please post to this and other groups. It would not hurt to send a quick, brief letter to your representatives and the Senate Transportation Committee members now, supporting the abandonment of this and future similar bills. Trish and I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving, and hope to see you on the next drive. Cheers, Greg Tatarian 1971 Lotus Elan S4 1974 Triumph TR6 1974 Alfa Romeo GTV From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 09:53:47 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 - cars 15 yrs old + In-Reply-To: <4744474D.9060100@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <641731.52010.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info ! interesting, but too late for me ... brought my '76 Spit here from Portland, Or., new engine, webber, header ... passed emissions, failed for missing parts, invested $5000.00 dollars to meet spec., then sold it so I never have to go through that again ... I now have a '60 TR3 .... "they'll never get me " ( Cagney ). gtwincams wrote: Hi NOBBCers For those who have been following A.B. 616, which requires annual smog checks for vehicles 15 years and older (that's all cars, by the way, including our currently exempted 1975 or older classics), it has been set aside for the year, but was previously approved by the full California Assembly (!) and Senate Transportation Committee. Part of the money would be used to scrap older vehicles, encouraging even further reduction in available classic cars, and increasing costs for those remaining. So far, the committee members were convinced that these vintage cars represent a very small portion of the vehicle population, and the extra regulation would not have provided sufficient emission reductions to be justified. What this means is that the bill could be introduced next year, or the next. I bring this to your attention not to elicit political diatribes about California politics, but to ask you all to stay on your toes about pending legislation regarding classic cars, and be ready to add your voices to those who have worked to sideline this bill (various car clubs, SEMA, etc.). Most states retain a rolling exemption, something we also enjoyed in California until it was repealed a couple of years ago. That has sent the value of post-1975 classics down (unless they are much rarer, exotic, or high-performance), and essentially stalling the lower-cost classic car market in the state. For those NOBBC members with British classics that will not pass a rolling road smog check, don't have all or functioning smog gear (much is not available for some cars), this type of legislation would require selling the vehicle or converting it to another engine, something that is not of interest to many. So, please stay aware of the issue, and if you read or hear something new, please post to this and other groups. It would not hurt to send a quick, brief letter to your representatives and the Senate Transportation Committee members now, supporting the abandonment of this and future similar bills. Trish and I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving, and hope to see you on the next drive. Cheers, Greg Tatarian 1971 Lotus Elan S4 1974 Triumph TR6 1974 Alfa Romeo GTV _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. From gtwincams at pacbell.net Wed Nov 21 11:36:22 2007 From: gtwincams at pacbell.net (gtwincams) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:36:22 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 - cars 15 yrs old + In-Reply-To: <641731.52010.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <641731.52010.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47447AA6.3050607@pacbell.net> Hi Tim, Yes, I cringed for you when I read your story the first time. Trouble is, AB 616 was meant to target your 1960 TR3 as well, so we all need to watch for it to raise it's ugly head again in the future... Cheers, Greg Tim Brown wrote: > Thanks for the info ! interesting, but too late for me ... brought my '76 Spit here from > Portland, Or., new engine, webber, header ... passed emissions, failed for missing > parts, invested $5000.00 dollars to meet spec., then sold it so I never have to go through > that again ... I now have a '60 TR3 .... "they'll never get me " ( Cagney ). From tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 11:56:58 2007 From: tstarlingbrown at yahoo.com (Tim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:56:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 - cars 15 yrs old + In-Reply-To: <47447AA6.3050607@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <577384.182.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> : - ( gtwincams wrote: Hi Tim, Yes, I cringed for you when I read your story the first time. Trouble is, AB 616 was meant to target your 1960 TR3 as well, so we all need to watch for it to raise it's ugly head again in the future... Cheers, Greg Tim Brown wrote: > Thanks for the info ! interesting, but too late for me ... brought my '76 Spit here from > Portland, Or., new engine, webber, header ... passed emissions, failed for missing > parts, invested $5000.00 dollars to meet spec., then sold it so I never have to go through > that again ... I now have a '60 TR3 .... "they'll never get me " ( Cagney ). _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. From sand at frii.com Wed Nov 21 18:23:51 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 References: <577384.182.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c82ca6$57bfa5b0$2f15e404@stevewbxu6x2qe> hey if worst comes to worst get a colorado p.o. box.- they dumped the smog laws here last year-new cars old cars whatever-think it was decided that smog checks and laws were more of a hassle than the money they generated for the politicos. no smog checks for anything- also cars over 25 years you pay 125 bucks for 5 years registration- not a bad thing.- of course-things could change in the future but that,s where it stands for now.- of course the state population is less than the bay area alone.(aprox. 2.4 mill best i know-most on the front range and of course denver metro..) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Update on Emissions Bill A.B. 616 - cars 15 yrs old + >: - ( > > gtwincams wrote: Hi Tim, > Yes, I cringed for you when I read your story the first time. Trouble > is, AB 616 was meant to target your 1960 TR3 as well, so we all need to > watch for it to raise it's ugly head again in the future... > Cheers, > Greg > > > > Tim Brown wrote: >> Thanks for the info ! interesting, but too late for me ... brought my '76 >> Spit here from >> Portland, Or., new engine, webber, header ... passed emissions, failed >> for missing >> parts, invested $5000.00 dollars to meet spec., then sold it so I never >> have to go through >> that again ... I now have a '60 TR3 .... "they'll never get me " ( >> Cagney ). > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > > > > --------------------------------- > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From sand at frii.com Sun Nov 25 20:07:54 2007 From: sand at frii.com (Steve Lehmann) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:07:54 -0700 Subject: [Nobbc] nobbc christmas shinding? Message-ID: <001b01c82fd9$8a043780$0200a8c0@stevewbxu6x2qe> hey folks any plans for a nobbc christmas dinner? i tryed this one many years ago- the late bill o,hara and his wife joan hooked up w/dee and I at dinnuches,valley ford-must have been 4 or 5 years ago now- the night was raining and windy so needless to say we arived in toyotas!- in would love to see you all pull off a nobbc christmas dinner. best part is your dont need to worry bought me being there!- to broke this year to come down. maybe next year but this year aint gonna happen. hey folks throw it out there- go have a good get together somewhere! From wbain at sonic.net Tue Nov 27 11:31:37 2007 From: wbain at sonic.net (wendell bain) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:37 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 Message-ID: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. Hope you can make it. Cheers, Wendell 59 Morgan Plus 4 From nobbc at sonic.net Tue Nov 27 15:51:30 2007 From: nobbc at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:51:30 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 In-Reply-To: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> References: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> Message-ID: <474C9F72.8050208@sonic.net> Darn! Once again, I'll probably be out of town and have to miss this ride. One of these years... Ron 58 MGA wendell bain wrote: > Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. > > Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. > We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet > at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the > 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with > something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's > horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. > > Hope you can make it. > > Cheers, > Wendell > 59 Morgan Plus 4 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From millerij at mac.com Tue Nov 27 16:06:11 2007 From: millerij at mac.com (Ivan J. Miller) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:06:11 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 In-Reply-To: <474C9F72.8050208@sonic.net> References: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> <474C9F72.8050208@sonic.net> Message-ID: I'll be out of town Boys, Last time was fun! Ivan TR6 1976 On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Darn! Once again, I'll probably be out of town and have to miss this > ride. One of these years... > > Ron > 58 MGA > > wendell bain wrote: >> Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. >> >> Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. >> We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet >> at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the >> 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with >> something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's >> horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. >> >> Hope you can make it. >> >> Cheers, >> Wendell >> 59 Morgan Plus 4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From techyes at pacbell.net Tue Nov 27 16:43:30 2007 From: techyes at pacbell.net (Sheryl) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:43:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 Message-ID: <302370.86018.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Cant wait!! :-) We will be there. Dennis & Sheryl 76 MGB x 2 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ivan J. Miller To: North Bay British Car Club Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 I'll be out of town Boys, Last time was fun! Ivan TR6 1976 On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote: > Darn! Once again, I'll probably be out of town and have to miss this > ride. One of these years... > > Ron > 58 MGA > > wendell bain wrote: >> Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. >> >> Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. >> We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet >> at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the >> 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with >> something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's >> horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. >> >> Hope you can make it. >> >> Cheers, >> Wendell >> 59 Morgan Plus 4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Nobbc mailing list >> Nobbc at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET Tue Nov 27 17:21:23 2007 From: FAWN220 at COMCAST.NET (JOHN KENNER) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:21:23 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 In-Reply-To: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20071128002206.5AD781879CB@autox.team.net> COUNT ME IN. WHERE IS THE CHEESE FACTORY IN SONOMA? JOHN KENNER -----Original Message----- From: nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:nobbc-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wendell bain Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:32 AM To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. Hope you can make it. Cheers, Wendell 59 Morgan Plus 4 _______________________________________________ Nobbc mailing list Nobbc at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc From gtwincams at pacbell.net Tue Nov 27 18:11:11 2007 From: gtwincams at pacbell.net (gtwincams) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:11:11 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 In-Reply-To: <20071128002206.5AD781879CB@autox.team.net> References: <20071128002206.5AD781879CB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <474CC02F.6050706@pacbell.net> Hey John, It's in the Sonoma town square - can't miss it. In fact, if you show up a few minutes late, you'll see all the old cars... Your trouble is, what car to drive, eh? Cheers, Greg Tatarian > COUNT ME IN. > > WHERE IS THE CHEESE FACTORY IN SONOMA? > > JOHN KENNER From liamof at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 20:06:29 2007 From: liamof at earthlink.net (liam oflaherty) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:06:29 -0800 Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 References: <5CDD5024-BDB0-4006-96F0-8CA2246871A0@sonic.net> Message-ID: <001901c832fe$0166dea0$2101a8c0@DFBQSM21> A ride on Boxing Day sounds great, I have finally finished rebuilding my front suspension in my 57 mga and am looking forward to joining you. Liam O'Flaherty ----- Original Message ----- From: "wendell bain" To: "North Bay British Car Club" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [Nobbc] Boxing Day Run 2007 > Hello all NOBBC members, friends, etc. > > Above run will take place on... Well, Boxing Day, December 26. > We will start in front of the Cheese Factory in Sonoma. Meet > at 9:30am and we will start the run around 10am. This is the > 10th Anniversary of this nonsense, so I hope to come up with > something unusual. This is a rain or shine event, so if it's > horrible bring the Taurus instead of the TR-3. > > Hope you can make it. > > Cheers, > Wendell > 59 Morgan Plus 4 > _______________________________________________ > Nobbc mailing list > Nobbc at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/nobbc