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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The electric MG’s from China are quite popular in the Netherlands nowadays. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Price tag is half a Tesla model 3 price tag.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>VW launched their electrical variants now in their models ID3 and ID4, where the ID3 is the most popular lease car currently.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Namens </b>Paul Root<br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 6 april 2021 22:31<br><b>Aan:</b> Paul Noble <noblepa@hotmail.com><br><b>CC:</b> mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MG-MGA-MGB <mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: New MG Sports Car Concept<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The references I saw was 8 year 100k warranty for most of the US, 10 year 150K for California. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The closest apples to apples that I see would be the Ford Focus electric, or the VW Golf E-something. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think Telsa cost so much because they are luxury cars. Also, Telsa is really a software company, not a car company. I'm still not convinced they will make it as more car companies start building more electric cars. Reports I've seen, is that build quality for the Model 3, especially, is not great. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't buy cars very often, If I buy 4 more cars (daily drivers) in my life, I would bet at least 2 will still have an engine. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Paul Noble <<a href="mailto:noblepa@hotmail.com">noblepa@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When I said I had heard that batteries only lasted 50k miles, that was a few years ago. Perhaps I was misinformed or perhaps the batteries have improved.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>That said, I am still not convinced of the economics of the situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It is difficult to make any kind of direct comparison between a gasoline and an electric car. No one has, to my knowledge, ever put a gasoline engine in a Tesla. And while there have been many conversions in the opposite direction (replacing a gas engine with electric), these were not production vehicles. All the ones I've seen have simply replaced the gas engine with an electric motor, while retaining the transmission, clutch and differential. This is not optimal. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The closest comparison I've ever seen was between a gasoline Honda Civic and the hybrid version of the same car. IIRC, the gas version got around 40 mpg, while the hybrid got 45. Given that the hybrid was over $3k more than the gas version, the payback period was many years.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Why does a Tesla cost so much? Who knows. It is almost certainly, in part, because it is electric. But there are other factors, as well. Compared to GM, Honda and Toyota, the Tesla is a pretty limited production vehicle. Secondly, it costs a LOT of money to start a car company from the ground up. Just ask Malcom Bricklin or John DeLorean. It may also be that Elon Musk made a conscious decision to position the Tesla in an upscale market for luxury cars. For some buyers, the high price is not a hindrance, but the primary attraction.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As far as EVs go, we're still in the early-adopter stage. As more and more vehicles become available, the economics will stabilize and the prices will come down. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I'm guessing that in twenty years, maybe less, EVs will be the norm. Gas vehicles will be a niche product, sort of like vinyl records have become. Right now, there are teething pains that must be overcome, and technical improvements that must be made, but all that will happen. One area that I suspect gas vehicles can never compete with electric vehicles is emissions. Gas cars will never reach zero emissions. EVs are already there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Paul Root <<a href="mailto:ptroot@gmail.com" target="_blank">ptroot@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Noble <<a href="mailto:noblepa@hotmail.com" target="_blank">noblepa@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MG-MGA-MGB <<a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jason of Engineering Explained, bought a Telsa Model 3 last year. He's done 2 2500 mile road trips, summer, and winter. And, of course, has done youtube videos for them. Worth a look. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I hadn't heard that the batteries only last 50k miles. The first hit on a google search says 100-150k and/or 8 years.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Paul Noble <<a href="mailto:noblepa@hotmail.com" target="_blank">noblepa@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've wondered about the same things, regarding electric and hybrid cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Another thing to consider is that lithium is environmentally problematic, both in mining it and disposing of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The problem is that gasoline is still one of the most economical, safest and densest way to transport energy. In most cases, a tank of gasoline will take a car farther than a fully charged battery will.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The battery pack is usually much larger than the gas tank, and a lot heavier.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've never owned a Prius or any other hybrid, but I've heard that you're lucky to get 50,000 miles on a set of batteries. Replacing them costs about $3-4k. That's one reason I wouldn't even consider a used Prius, unless the seller showed me receipts for a very recent battery replacement. A Prius (or Tesla for that matter) without batteries is like a conventional car without an engine. It might be a good deal, but you have to factor in the cost of replacing the batteries or engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Current (no pun intended) technology requires, I believe, a couple of hours, at least, to recharge a fully depleted set of batteries on a fully electric vehicle. That makes long trips a problem, if you have to stop every four hours for a two hour recharge. They could probably speed up the charging process but that would require much higher voltages or current flow, both of which can be dangerous and create heat dissipation problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I've heard stories that rescue workers have been injured when trying to cut someone out of a crashed hybrid vehicle and accidentally cut through the main battery cable. I know that first responders have been trained for this now, but this remains a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Of course, there is a chicken/egg problem with public charging stations. No one wants to spend a lot of money installing public charging stations until there are a lot of EVs to use them. Conversely, many buyers are reluctant to buy an EV because there are not many public charging stations. That is why one of the features of the proposed infrastructure bill now being debated in Congress includes funding to build charging stations.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> 'Paul C Resch' via MG-MGA-MGB <<a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> James Dillner <<a href="mailto:spr1ng19@outlook.com" target="_blank">spr1ng19@outlook.com</a>>; Dan DiBiase <<a href="mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> PaulBHunt73 <<a href="mailto:paulbhunt73@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulbhunt73@gmail.com</a>>; mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MG-MGA-MGB <<a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Off topic. Your mileage may vary. WAS Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I am just looking to have a discussion, not an angry argument but feel I am missing something.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>When I had a Mazda6 I noticed the similarity to the Tesla S. Turns out same guy Franz von Holzhausen designed both. Pretty similar.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Presuming the cars mission is the same. Build quality similar, tire usage and performance in real world use equivalent I did some comparisons. Stupid fast Tesla acceleration is as useless as the Masda6's 600 mile per tank range. My bladder needs stops more frequently than 9 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>In 100,000 miles Tesla recharges ($22.00 for 250 miles, I got this from Tesla) would run $8,800.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>In 100.00 at $2.75 a gallon, 35 miles per US Gallon and 10 - $65 oil changes the total is about $8,500.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>But the Tesla costs over $70,000 and the Mazda6 half that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Even if recharging at home was free, in 100,000 I am $25,000 dollars ahead. I am negating resale. A 100,000 Mazda6 is nicely broken in.. What's the $16.000 Tesla's battery life expectancy. I just do not know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>And a trip such as I just took to Montana last October, 5,000 miles would be nearly impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I was in areas where gas stations were few and far between and charging non-existent. One hotel out of 13 had charging stations. Rapid charging hurts battery life. Standing around for a half hour a couple of times a day could get old.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I think the European model of changeable battery packs is what will win.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Design a platform where you pull in, drop the vehicle into a system much like an automated car wash, and come back in 5 minutes with a fresh battery. Changed from below.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Automatically changed. SUVs might have two batteries. Trucks might have more.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Your state of charge, car's pathway and prediction of needed packs would report to your car your assigned swap spot so A: you knew you would have a battery ready and B: that there was no need to squeeze every last drop out of yours. You'd pay a charge to belong to the system and what your battery had left. So if you wanted to stop every 2 hours for a rest break, just swap the half used battery.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I learned that in Wolfsburg's VW factory it is rare for the same model to be built in order as the robots don't care.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The infrastructure of charging stations and having enough spigots is tough to see until many years from now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>So please, I take trips, not a lot and yes, I could just rent a car for trips, but the current model works for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>A fun read on this topic, tongue firmly in cheek is:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/" target="_blank">1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydpf9e5fe71enhancr_card_8017187199"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt'><tr><td width=400 style='width:300.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt'><tr style='height:105.0pt'><td valign=top style='border:none;background:black;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:105.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 11.25pt'></td><td valign=top style='padding:11.25pt 11.25pt 0cm 0cm'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='border:none;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px'><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:12.0pt 0cm 12.0pt 9.0pt'></td><td width="99%" style='width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 18.0pt 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0px 0px 2px'><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0cm;line-height:14.25pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>1915 Ford Model T vs. 2013 Tesla Model S: Race of the Centuries<o:p></o:p></span></h2><p style='margin:0cm;line-height:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#979BA7'>We stage a multi-state enduro to find out if today's automotive pioneer can outrun its predecessor.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Paul Resch USA Cell phone 661-645-5266 email addresses <a href="mailto:pcresch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">pcresch@yahoo.com</a> <a href="mailto:resch@reschonline.com" target="_blank">resch@reschonline.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayahoo_quoted_8717513317"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:47:33 PM CDT, Dan DiBiase <<a href="mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayiv7836723387"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Yes, there are 7000-something individual cells bundled into about 15 modules that make up the battery pack in the Model 3/Y (77kWh battery). <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Dan D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Central NJ USA<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target="_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayiv7836723387yqt18265"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM James Dillner <<a href="mailto:spr1ng19@outlook.com" target="_blank">spr1ng19@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is a bit off topic, but did anyone see the pictures of the Tesla wreck where the battery pack tore apart? There were thousands of little sub-c cells.....batteries.....scattered all over the place. Somehow I never dreamed that those power packs were made up of cells all linked together. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="gmail-m_-3434465552149103660x_gmail-m_-6992287651865967615x_ydp7f46dc1ayiv7836723387gmail-m_1494527823292593023divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb@googlegroups.com</a>> on behalf of PaulBHunt73 <<a href="mailto:paulbhunt73@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulbhunt73@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:40 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MG-MGA-MGB <<a href="mailto:MG-MGA-MGB@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">MG-MGA-MGB@googlegroups.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MG Sports Car Concept</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Each to their own. I can't see myself ever buying an EV based on the current range and recharging situation where they are little more than toys for local journeys. If I get to the point when I'm still around and driving but run out of satisfactory used 'real' cars to buy then I shall revert to using my V8 as a daily driver as I did before.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>PaulH.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hans - one could argue that this concept IS a modern set-up.... ;-) Based on my first month with my Tesla Model Y, I'd absolutely consider anything with an electric drivetrain from this point on. I don't plan to buy another internal combustion vehicle for my daily use.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/47161514E25A498CA43FA7B266A63A0B%40paul?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/47161514E25A498CA43FA7B266A63A0B%40paul</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/MN2PR12MB315240817DEF75E6ECFBB4499D769%40MN2PR12MB3152.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/MN2PR12MB315240817DEF75E6ECFBB4499D769%40MN2PR12MB3152.namprd12.prod.outlook.com</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/CABxEc%2BnxBjy6ZRBmYz-QevawgKF2vvFwKQqWL_6jSRjBvKiLgQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/CABxEc%2BnxBjy6ZRBmYz-QevawgKF2vvFwKQqWL_6jSRjBvKiLgQ%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/84030283.397.1617734941670%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/84030283.397.1617734941670%40mail.yahoo.com</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB1738ED5DE018012FC9DE30CAB4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB1738ED5DE018012FC9DE30CAB4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MG-MGA-MGB" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">mg-mga-mgb+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB173898DE95989A996B4CD855B4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mg-mga-mgb/DM5PR2201MB173898DE95989A996B4CD855B4769%40DM5PR2201MB1738.namprd22.prod.outlook.com</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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