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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice story Bob. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I still have my 1967 bike, which I used to go to high school these days. Fixed the ball head bearing with parts from a bike museum in January this year! In winter time the crank bearing needs repair the same way…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I also am busy with a total overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with that are the Japanese parts, which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is all bearings are o.k. – new grease and the bike is ready for another decade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chain rings are replaced with a new type.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Back to the starter this afternoon. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Namens </b>Robert's New iPad<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 15 november 2020 23:48<br><b>Aan:</b> Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net><br><b>CC:</b> mgs@autox.team.net<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Barrie,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> You are spot-on about new washing machines. My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old. They once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly. With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service from the new one. Some might say that sucks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <<a href="mailto:barrob@bell.net">barrob@bell.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello folks,<br><br>I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD. I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot. I am not sure 'new' things these days are as good as 'old' ones When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was filed with new machines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty. Remembering that our 'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning. A local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of C$150. So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop. Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.<br><br>Now back to the program !<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, <a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><br>Now there is a discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Repair the starter or buy a new one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter Powerlite = € 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <a href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com"><paulhunt73@virginmedia.com></a> <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"><mgs@autox.team.net></a>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <a href="mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"><mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com></a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next job is the slow starter motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Nice winter job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a href="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b> mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo <<a href="mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target="_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a href="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <<a href="mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thx, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>'76B- Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target="_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:13.5pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 style='width:.4833in;height:.3in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:12.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virusvrij. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73@virginmedia.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Suggested annual donation $12.75<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>