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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hello folks,<br>
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I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new
MG TD. I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on
my current 'in progress' chariot. I am not sure 'new' things
these days are as good as 'old' ones When I took in our
clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a
new one from them or recondition the old one. The bloke took me
into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was filed with
new machines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old
reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one
would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty. Remembering
that our 'top of the line' German dish washer has had two
service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning. A
local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators,
generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of
me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking
the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of
C$150. So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing'
provided they are a well established shop. Using 'on line'
outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.<br>
<br>
Now back to the program !<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Barrie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
if that’s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><br>
Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">New starter Powerlite = € 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
labelled) = € 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00
at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com"><paulhunt73@virginmedia.com></a> <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
<b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"><mgs@autox.team.net></a>;
'MGB-Yahoo' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"><mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Yes, measure
the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.
The difference between the two is what is being lost in
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">If you
get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is
the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a
href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a
href="mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>CC:</b> mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>;
MGB-Yahoo <<a href="mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear="all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
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Richard Lindsay <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
DiBiase <<a href="mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which was
off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
up any additional gas. Would really like to
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">'76B- Getting There<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p>
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