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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As science tells: any way energy is converted, there is loss of energy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So: where does the electricity come from?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Energy plants running on coal, gas, nuclear fuel etc. Except nuclear energy, there is CO2 produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wind energy – but when there is no wind, this does not work<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Solar energy – works well in the sunny areas, but not during the night, winter and rainy periods<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then when the energy is produced, it is transformed to high voltages, in order to be transported over the country.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Transformers and transportation take energy loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>At the end of the high voltage lines, the energy is distributed and before that the high voltages are transformed to lower voltages. Again this takes loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then your car is being charged: another transformer and a rectifying system is used in order to make DC voltage for the batteries.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Inside the car there also are several losses of energy. The batteries seem to produce quite some heat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And in summertime the airco takes a lot of energy as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So at the end looking to a gas powered car, which produces the energy onboard versus electrically powered cars, there is quite some loss of energy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Of course before gas is being put into the tank, lots of energy is lost as well by transportation and the refinery.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So this summer I made a lot of miles on my racing bike…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hans going to assemble the repaired fuel pump back into the GT today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>Namens </b>dave<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 16 oktober 2020 03:16<br><b>Aan:</b> 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>As long as you don’t claim it’s a zero emission vehicle. I think its really naïve not to consider that you are just moving the source of the emissions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I saw an interesting study on the actual emissions of electric vehicles, broken down by geographic region. And as an extreme, because China uses virtually no emission equipment on their coal burning plants you actually produce a great deal more emissions with an electric vehicle there than gas burning ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hans Duinhoven <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> mglist <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>That's surprising as there are plenty running around the US still. I'm actually going to be ordering a Tesla Model Y (the small SUV) at the end of the year. Can't wait....<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Dan D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>'76B, '65B<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Central NJ USA<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/" target="_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:13 PM <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>It is a bit how Tesla started when their car was a Lotus being electric.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>A few months ago I read in the news, that such a Tesla finally had been depreciated in our country to zero, as the battery was not possible to be charged…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Cheers, Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Max Heim<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 15 oktober 2020 21:01<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] New MGB<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I saw this announcement on the MGOC page. What struck me was that it seems to be a case of life imitating art.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don’t know if any of you ever heard of a book called “ZEV-1”. It was self-published by an author here in northern California, back in the 1990s. He used to sell it at British car meets, which is where I acquired a copy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The premise of this book is that an inventor/entrepreneur starts a company to build battery electric cars using his proprietary battery technology. And he chooses the MGB as his first model. So the story is about the struggle to build an electric MGB, fighting industry forces, regulators, and unscrupulous rivals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This announcement really makes me wonder if these people read this book 20 years ago, or stumbled upon it more recently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net" target="_blank">mvheim@sonic.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, David Breneman <<a href="mailto:david_breneman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">david_breneman@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Interesting! It almost certainly will not be allowed into the US unless it's built on a vintage body tub, and is therefore a modified "classic" car.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>David Breneman <a href="mailto:david_breneman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">david_breneman@yahoo.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yahoo_quoted_3119468925"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 11:06:47 AM PDT, <<a href="mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl" target="_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495"><div><div><div><div><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>In the local press was an announcement, that there will be a new built MGB again.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Fully electric. Comes with a € 90,000 pricetag, where one could buy 8 normal MGB’s.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html" target="_blank">https://www.nu.nl/auto/6083327/naast-elektrische-suv-nu-ook-de-oorspronkelijke-mgb-elektrisch-gemaakt.html</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=gmail-m-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495msonormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>’71 BGT – repaired the fuel pump today with new points.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="gmail-m_-6017480999604369521ydp7ac3440yiv7586460495DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<br><br><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>