<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sorry, I think this went sidewise. I wasn’t talking about SPEED bleeders, just stupidly sized bleed screws in general.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 23, 2020, at 7:33 PM, dave via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" class="">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Funny. I’ve been using them for years on a dozen different cars and always had good results.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net" class="">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Osborne, Paul via Mgs<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:25 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Max Heim <<a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net" class="">mvheim@sonic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" class="">mgs@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Mgs] Speed Bleeders<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for all the same reasons. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">paul o<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <<a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes. You can’t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crappy bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in Asia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal. <br style="font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 13.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On both of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipples are smaller.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">How tight do you need them to be? If they round-off it's the screw that is the problem. Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">PaulH.</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: black; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">----- Original Message -----<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I can see why — it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actual tightening, like a bleed screw.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Mgs@autox.team.net</a><br class="">Donate:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=ysLFyqzHakeNZYJhWf9gcyqHGtsTgkd1Zj7xqPr4nes&s=NbcLJLK5oUGSMSU-lls0nOfhoaSzDLlfzqU4rRvn4FI&e=" style="color: blue; 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text-decoration: underline; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Suggested annual donation $12.75</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; 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