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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Max is not wrong. I had my
Austin Healey in pieces so the wiring harness was out. My wife
and I used soft toothbrushes to clean the harness (car had been
in a flood and had mud all over the place) then I buffed all the
connector ends. The car when finished ran like a Swiss sewing
machine and never missed an electrical beat. It won first in the
1989 Conclave for Austin Healeys - the Mecca for A-Hs<br>
<br>
Oh happy days.<br>
Barrie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2020 5:04 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
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That’s admirable, but let’s keep this in perspective.
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<div class="">There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old
wiring. The copper is good, and the insulation is usually in
pretty good shape, too, except maybe one or two runs in the
engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth bundling may
be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults.</div>
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<div class="">It’s just corrosion at the junctions, and the
physical condition of the female connectors, that are the issues
here. Let’s not intimidate the man into thinking he needs to
rewire the entire vehicle. Going through the connections is
something that can be done a little at a time. Pull one, clean
the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, pop on a new
female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in a
few places — if you pull them one at a time there is less chance
of misconnection.</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">IF you are willing to put in
the time and effort, you can build your own wiring
harness. I did that on a 67. I followed the wiring
diagram, used the correct colors, but – I put in a
10 fuse fuse box (I think – its been a while).
Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly. The
lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc. took my
untold hours to figure it out.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Wiring is actually simple -
power to fuse to switch to device to ground. That’s
it. Pretty much everything follows that. Do the
circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use
twist ties to hold everything together, then tie
wraps, then cut those off and wrap it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
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class="">On Behalf Of<span
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Robinson via Mgs<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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January 16, 2020 2:06 PM<br class="">
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[Mgs] Electrical Nightmare<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
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serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hello folks,<br
class="">
<br class="">
I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in
the MG world as I am a novice. When I built my MGB
GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even
if it meant not being "original". There is a chap,
whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical
wiring harness design which was "point to point".
He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed
his design and actually bought parts form him. It
had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses
etc etc. So that's what I have in my GT. Bags of
fuses and there are no branches causing
confusion. It is not original true, but then it
is bulletproof. Probably no more expensive than
buying a harness from British Wiring or others if
you do it yourself.<br class="">
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I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the
British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any
Brit V8 !!<br class="">
<br class="">
Barrie.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"
class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On
1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Looking
to your picture, I think it is better to do a
thorough wiring job.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It
looks, like the car has been exposed to “nature”
for many times.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This
means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor
or bad.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So
besides true fault finding, I’d dismantle all
wiring and get all contacts cleaned.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Clean
all bullet connectors and replace all their
interconnects.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Clean
all other connectors and replace these when they
are bad.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I
did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I
never had any electrical failures, besides a
faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter
solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V
wires fixed anymore.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So
get a matching electrical diagram of the car’s
built year.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The
Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hope
this helps for the long term.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Cheers,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Hans</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">’71
BGT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p
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class="">Van:</span></b><span
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mgs [<a
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style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">Namens<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Max
Heim via Mgs<br class="">
<b class="">Verzonden:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>donderdag
16 januari 2020 20:20<br class="">
<b class="">Aan:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael
MacLean<br class="">
<b class="">CC:</b><span
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I
think you still have a ground problem. Should the
steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69?
I know there is one in the turn signal harness.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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class="">It does help to consult the wiring
diagram, to figure out where the common grounds
are.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">'66 MGB</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael
MacLean via Mgs <<a
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style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">In an earlier
post I told how my tach in my 69 GT
would die when the headlights were
turned on. Someone mentioned that the
tach was looking for a ground through
the light wiring for the instrument.
That turned out to be true, somewhat.
To test this I pulled the instrument to
inspect the wiring and found what you
see in the picture. One arrow points to
the ground connection on the back of the
case and the other arrow points to a
common ground just floating around
behind the instrument. For an
experiment I slipped the ground wire
connector over the threaded mouting stud
of the case back and shoved the tach
back into place temporarily to find out
about the missing ground theory. It
worked! You didn't think it was going
to be that easy did you? The light had
not illuminated the instrument before
either, so after scraping and sanding
the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on
the back of the tach that the bulb
shoves into, the light worked too, but
wait there's more! After this hollow
victory I had to use the horn on the
test drive. Now the horn does not work,
but when I push on the steering wheel
stalk to activate the horn, the brake
warning light comes on. I just love
electrical problems. Not in my element
here. Any ideas?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Suggested annual donation $12.75
Archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a>
Unsubscribe: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net</a>
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