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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Simon. That’s good to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>DFD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Matthews via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Max Heim<br><b>Cc:</b> MGS<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the points, leading to rough running.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an explanation for an intermediate state.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:mvheim@sonic.net" target="_blank">mvheim@sonic.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <<a href="mailto:Charley38@twc.com" target="_blank">Charley38@twc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. <span class=m-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1>:-)</span><br><br>CR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Max Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>'66 MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Ira Erbs <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> _______ _______<br> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br> (_________________________)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> BT7 engine and disk brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB <span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img border=0 width=100 height=100 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt="Description: Image removed by sender. MG"></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span class=m-8879707449479399274apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks! </span></span><span class=m-8879707449479399274apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p 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