<div dir="auto">Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the points, leading to rough running.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Simon</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an explanation for an intermediate state.<div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <<a href="mailto:Charley38@twc.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Charley38@twc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-8879707449479399274Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
  
    
  
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    Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.  Try it some time. <span class="m_-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
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      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
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            <div>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
              <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with  a
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                                              <div dir="ltr">Ira
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                                                    car is an animal
                                                    with a thousand
                                                    adjustments. Mario
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
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                        <div dir="ltr">I've never encountered a
                          "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">for some confirmation
                          (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">in new pumps, and one of
                          the things they're offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">alcohol-free gas.  I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">compression engine) so I
                          went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">free gas was out of
                          order!  So I put in three gallons of regular
                          92<span class="m_-8879707449479399274Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">octane, and about 1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir="ltr">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.  I can't imagine it's anything but
                              the fuel, but I've never</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
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                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station seems</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.  Any other
                              possibilities?  Is there any option</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                              than to just burn through this half tank
                              of gas?</span></span></div>
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                        <div dir="ltr"><span><span class="m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">Thanks! <span class="m_-8879707449479399274Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><br>
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