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Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no
detergents because it's the most common usage of the word.<br class="">
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Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
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background-color: rgb(254, 254, 254);" class="">The Valvoline
VR1 Racing and other </span><a id="lnkRacingOils" href="https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
border: none; color: rgb(25, 25, 25); font-family: Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16.799999237060547px;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">racing oils</a><span style="color:
rgb(125, 126, 126); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 16.799999237060547px; background-color: rgb(254,
254, 254);" class=""> not intended for passenger vehicles
contain additional additives for increased horsepower and
reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection
for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include <u class="">fewer detergents</u> than regular conventional
motor oils.</span></div>
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<div class="">So, that answers that question. If you change your
oil frequently, it probably isn’t a problem, though.</div>
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<div class="">I have used racing oil in the transmission, however,
because reduced friction and wear protection are relevant
concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion
blow-by).</div>
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contains an additive package. I would hope there's a
detergent in it, because it's what I'm using. <br class="">
Viz: <a href="https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq</a><br class="">
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<div class="">Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one
(although it may be non-optimal for other reasons,
such as lack of detergent)</div>
<div class="">Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY
in this brand)</div>
<div class="">Certain weights from Kendall, Royal
Purple, Gibbs<br class="">
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Bert Palte via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
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line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em;">Yes, also
over here in Europe it has become less
easily available.<br class="">
If nothing else is available, 10W40 will
do.<br class="">
I use mineral oil. That is good enough,
our cars aren't high tech!<br class="">
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70 B<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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been using Valvoline 20w 50 full
synthetic for several years now, and
it used to be immediately available
from Amazon with free shipping. It
has zddp.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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its 1 to 2 months.</div>
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– Advanced Auto Parts -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">free
shipping with a minimum order of
$25, which is 3 quarts. You can buy
it any number of quarts (from Amazon
it’s a 6 pack), and it’s a couple
pennies cheaper!!!</div>
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