From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 01:13:10 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 08:13:10 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 194, Issue 12
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Did any MGAs leave the factory with a tach?? Early MGBs had a rev 
counter before they got the tach.

On 31/07/2023 21:21, Eric Russell wrote:
> My guess is an MGA tach face (Jaeger) or perhaps MGA tach face & case 
> was used with a different tach's internals. MGB tachs were 'Smiths'.
>
> MGB tach for MGA is described here: 
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm
>
> EjR
>
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>     From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>     To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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>     Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
>     tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
>     working.
>
>     On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the tab,
>     and the screw, are ground.
>
>     The other two - one needs to go to power and the other to the
>     coil.? I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
>     male.? Which goes to power and which to the coil?
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>     From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
>     To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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>     Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified. Are
>     you sure it still contains the matching internals? I say this
>     because for 20 years I ran my Mk. I MGB with the original tach
>     case, faceplate & needle, but with a cheap auto parts store
>     mini-tach inside the case. The only modifications were two small
>     screw holes to attach the mechanism.
>
>     An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white
>     wire, attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a thin
>     U-shaped brass bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.
>
>     Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about an
>     MGA tach or an early MGB tach...
>
>     --
>     Max Heim
>     '66 MGB
>
>     > On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
>     tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
>     working.
>     >
>     > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the
>     tab, and the screw, are ground.
>     >
>     > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
>     coil.? I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
>     male.? Which goes to power and which to the coil?
>     > <tach front view.jpg><tach rear
>     view.jpg>_______________________________________________
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>     Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:38:26 +0100
>     From: Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73 at gmail.com>
>     To: mgs at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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>     Not an MGB reference number, it looks like it has later internals
>     than
>     but would still be the current-operated type i.e. RVI where the
>     power to
>     the coil comes via the tach.? The ignition switch would be
>     connected to
>     the male bullet and the female bullet to the coil.? 12v (also from
>     the
>     ignition) to the spade and earth to the case.? When used on the MGB
>     there were separate wires from the ignition switch to the spade
>     and to
>     the male bullet but you can tee from one to the other rather than
>     running a separate wire.
>
>     It would have been helpful to see the top half of the dial where it
>     might have shown RVI and what polarity it was.? I suspect it would
>     show
>     positive earth, but those electronics would have been used with
>     negative
>     earth in an MGB for example so it looks like it has been converted by
>     swapping the guts instead of swapping the wires round internally.? If
>     that tach was used after the car was converted to negative earth it
>     would make sense.
>
>     PaulH.
>
>     On 31/07/2023 01:22, dave northrup wrote:
>     >
>     > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
>     tach
>     > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
>     >
>     > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the
>     tab, and
>     > the screw, are ground.
>     >
>     > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
>     coil.? I
>     > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.?
>     Which goes
>     > to power and which to the coil?
>     >
>     >
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  1 12:10:52 2023
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
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I believe a tach (short for tachometer) and rev counter refer to the same
instrument.

And, yes, all MGAs came with a tach as original equipment.

EjR

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> My guess is an MGA tach face (Jaeger) or perhaps MGA tach face & case was
> used with a different tach's internals. MGB tachs were 'Smiths'.
>
> MGB tach for MGA is described here:
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm
>
> EjR
>
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> > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:22:55 +0000
> > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> > To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
> > Message-ID: <8ba46f6ebee14b168b5e753f84b72499 at ranteer.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric tach
> > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
> >
> > On the back view, what hooks up where?  I am pretty sure the tab, and the
> > screw, are ground.
> >
> > The other two - one needs to go to power and the other to the coil.  I
> > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.  Which goes to
> > power and which to the coil?
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> > Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:52:40 -0700
> > From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
> > To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
> > Message-ID: <983CC3D7-127F-4FD9-97E0-7533897C6FFD at sonic.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified. Are you sure
> > it still contains the matching internals? I say this because for 20
> years I
> > ran my Mk. I MGB with the original tach case, faceplate & needle, but
> with
> > a cheap auto parts store mini-tach inside the case. The only
> modifications
> > were two small screw holes to attach the mechanism.
> >
> > An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white wire,
> > attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a thin U-shaped
> brass
> > bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.
> >
> > Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about an MGA tach
> > or an early MGB tach...
> >
> > --
> > Max Heim
> > '66 MGB
> >
> > > On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric tach
> > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
> > >
> > > On the back view, what hooks up where?  I am pretty sure the tab, and
> > the screw, are ground.
> > >
> > > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the coil.  I
> > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.  Which goes to
> > power and which to the coil?
> > > <tach front view.jpg><tach rear
> > view.jpg>_______________________________________________
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> > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:38:26 +0100
> > From: Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73 at gmail.com>
> > To: mgs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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> > Not an MGB reference number, it looks like it has later internals than
> > but would still be the current-operated type i.e. RVI where the power to
> > the coil comes via the tach.? The ignition switch would be connected to
> > the male bullet and the female bullet to the coil.? 12v (also from the
> > ignition) to the spade and earth to the case.? When used on the MGB
> > there were separate wires from the ignition switch to the spade and to
> > the male bullet but you can tee from one to the other rather than
> > running a separate wire.
> >
> > It would have been helpful to see the top half of the dial where it
> > might have shown RVI and what polarity it was.? I suspect it would show
> > positive earth, but those electronics would have been used with negative
> > earth in an MGB for example so it looks like it has been converted by
> > swapping the guts instead of swapping the wires round internally.? If
> > that tach was used after the car was converted to negative earth it
> > would make sense.
> >
> > PaulH.
> >
> > On 31/07/2023 01:22, dave northrup wrote:
> > >
> > > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric tach
> > > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
> > >
> > > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the tab, and
> > > the screw, are ground.
> > >
> > > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the coil.? I
> > > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.? Which goes
> > > to power and which to the coil?
> > >
> > >
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> Did any MGAs leave the factory with a tach?? Early MGBs had a rev
> counter before they got the tach.
>
> On 31/07/2023 21:21, Eric Russell wrote:
> > My guess is an MGA tach face (Jaeger) or perhaps MGA tach face & case
> > was used with a different tach's internals. MGB tachs were 'Smiths'.
> >
> > MGB tach for MGA is described here:
> > http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm
> >
> > EjR
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 2:08?PM <mgs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> >     ? ?2. Re: mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine (Max Heim)
> >     ? ?3. Re: mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine (Paul Hunt)
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> >     Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:22:55 +0000
> >     From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >     To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> >     Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
> >     Message-ID: <8ba46f6ebee14b168b5e753f84b72499 at ranteer.com>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >     Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> >     tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
> >     working.
> >
> >     On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the tab,
> >     and the screw, are ground.
> >
> >     The other two - one needs to go to power and the other to the
> >     coil.? I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
> >     male.? Which goes to power and which to the coil?
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> >     From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
> >     To: "mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> >     Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
> >     Message-ID: <983CC3D7-127F-4FD9-97E0-7533897C6FFD at sonic.net>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >     Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified. Are
> >     you sure it still contains the matching internals? I say this
> >     because for 20 years I ran my Mk. I MGB with the original tach
> >     case, faceplate & needle, but with a cheap auto parts store
> >     mini-tach inside the case. The only modifications were two small
> >     screw holes to attach the mechanism.
> >
> >     An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white
> >     wire, attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a thin
> >     U-shaped brass bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.
> >
> >     Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about an
> >     MGA tach or an early MGB tach...
> >
> >     --
> >     Max Heim
> >     '66 MGB
> >
> >     > On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> >     tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
> >     working.
> >     >
> >     > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the
> >     tab, and the screw, are ground.
> >     >
> >     > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
> >     coil.? I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
> >     male.? Which goes to power and which to the coil?
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> >     From: Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73 at gmail.com>
> >     To: mgs at autox.team.net
> >     Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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> >     Not an MGB reference number, it looks like it has later internals
> >     than
> >     but would still be the current-operated type i.e. RVI where the
> >     power to
> >     the coil comes via the tach.? The ignition switch would be
> >     connected to
> >     the male bullet and the female bullet to the coil.? 12v (also from
> >     the
> >     ignition) to the spade and earth to the case.? When used on the MGB
> >     there were separate wires from the ignition switch to the spade
> >     and to
> >     the male bullet but you can tee from one to the other rather than
> >     running a separate wire.
> >
> >     It would have been helpful to see the top half of the dial where it
> >     might have shown RVI and what polarity it was.? I suspect it would
> >     show
> >     positive earth, but those electronics would have been used with
> >     negative
> >     earth in an MGB for example so it looks like it has been converted by
> >     swapping the guts instead of swapping the wires round internally.? If
> >     that tach was used after the car was converted to negative earth it
> >     would make sense.
> >
> >     PaulH.
> >
> >     On 31/07/2023 01:22, dave northrup wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> >     tach
> >     > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
> >     >
> >     > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the
> >     tab, and
> >     > the screw, are ground.
> >     >
> >     > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
> >     coil.? I
> >     > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.?
> >     Which goes
> >     > to power and which to the coil?
> >     >
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Aug  2 01:06:19 2023
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
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A rev counter is a mechanical device driven by a cable from the block.? 
A tachometer is an electronic device driven by electrical pulses from 
the coil.? They are completely different.

PaulH.

On 01/08/2023 19:10, Eric Russell wrote:
> I believe a tach (short for tachometer) and rev counter refer to the 
> same instrument.
>
> And, yes, all MGAs came with a tach as original equipment.
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Aug  2 07:29:36 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 13:29:36 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
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From Wikipedia

A tachometer (revolution-counter, tach, rev-counter, RPM gauge) is an instrument measuring the rotation speed of a shaft<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle> or disk, as in a motor or other machine.[1]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachometer#cite_note-1> The device usually displays the revolutions per minute<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute> (RPM) on a calibrated analogue dial, but digital displays are increasingly common.

The word comes from Greek<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language> ????? (t?chos "speed") and ?????? (m?tron "measure"). Essentially the words tachometer and speedometer<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer> have identical meaning: a device that measures speed. It is by arbitrary convention that in the automotive world one is used for engine revolutions and the other for vehicle speed. In formal engineering nomenclature, more precise terms are used to distinguish the two.

From dictionary.com
tachometer
[ ta-kom-i-ter, tuh- ]SHOW IPA
[cid:image001.png at 01D9C51B.79A781B0]
________________________________
noun

  1.  any of various instruments for measuring or indicating velocity or speed, as of a machine, a river, or the blood.
  2.  an instrument measuring revolutions per minute, as of an engine.


From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of PaulHunt73
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 2:06 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1


A rev counter is a mechanical device driven by a cable from the block.  A tachometer is an electronic device driven by electrical pulses from the coil.  They are completely different.

PaulH.
On 01/08/2023 19:10, Eric Russell wrote:
I believe a tach (short for tachometer) and rev counter refer to the same instrument.

And, yes, all MGAs came with a tach as original equipment.

EjR

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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 01:44:59 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:44:59 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
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Both those are describing the function of the instrument which is the 
same in both cases and is not the point in question.? Even so the first 
definition includes the statement "In formal engineering nomenclature, 
more precise terms are used to distinguish the two.".

The PO's question was how do I connect a _tachometer_ , and the answer 
to that is fundamentally different to a rev counter.? A rev counter 
displays the rate at which a cable drive is turning, a tachometer 
measures the time between successive electrical pulses.? In the rev 
counter case it doesn't matter whether it is on a 4, 6 or 8 (etc.) 
cylinder whereas for a tachometer the pulses from an 8 cylinder engine 
are coming in at twice the rate of a 4-cylinder and there have to be 
_internal_ differences in the tachometer to display that correctly.? If 
the terms are used interchangeably then when responding to a (formal 
engineering?) question you would first have to establish which one is 
being talked about!

PaulH.

On 02/08/2023 14:29, dave northrup wrote:
>
> From Wikipedia
>
> A *tachometer*?(*revolution-counter*, *tach*, *rev-counter*, *RPM 
> gauge*) is an instrument measuring the rotation speed of a shaft 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle>?or disk, as in a motor or other 
> machine.^[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachometer#cite_note-1> 
> ?The device usually displays the revolutions per minute 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute>?(RPM) on a 
> calibrated analogue dial, but digital displays are increasingly common.
>
> The word comes from Greek 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language>???????(/t?chos/?"speed") 
> and????????(/m?tron/?"measure"). Essentially the words tachometer and 
> speedometer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer>?have identical 
> meaning: a device that measures speed. It is by arbitrary convention 
> that in the automotive world one is used for engine revolutions and 
> the other for vehicle speed. In formal engineering nomenclature, more 
> precise terms are used to distinguish the two.
>
> From dictionary.com
>
> *tachometer*
>
> [ ta-*kom*-i-ter, t/uh/- ]SHOW IPA
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /noun/
>
>  1. any of various instruments for measuring or indicating velocity or
>     speed, as of a machine, a river, or the blood.
>  2. an instrument measuring revolutions per minute, as of an engine.
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Aug  3 11:43:52 2023
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
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I dunno abott that "formal engineering 
nomenclature" stuff.  I'm an engineer, and in my 
world "rev counter" may be the British (English) 
term for a tachometer, but otherwise rev counter 
and tachometer are the same thing in the 
automotive world, regardless of the type of signal input.

Just for reference, here are examples of dozens 
of tachometers, many mechanically driven and 
having nothing to do with ignition systems or any kind of electrical input:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hand+tachometer&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cetm.com.sg%2F1534-superlarge_default%2Facision-tm1100-hand-held-tachometer.jpg&t=ffab


At 02:44 AM 8/3/2023, Paul Hunt wrote:
>....
>Both those are describing the function of the 
>instrument which is the same in both cases and 
>is not the point in question. Even so the first 
>definition includes the statement "In formal 
>engineering nomenclature, more precise terms are used to distinguish the two.".
>
>The PO's question was how do I connect a 
>_tachometer_ , and the answer to that is 
>fundamentally different to a rev counter. rev 
>counter displays the rate at which a cable drive 
>is turning, a tachometer measures the time 
>between successive electrical pulses. In the rev 
>counter case it doesn't matter whether it is on 
>a 4, 6 or 8 (etc.) cylinder whereas for a 
>tachometer the pulses from an 8 cylinder engine 
>are coming in at twice the rate of a 4-cylinder 
>and there have to be _internal_ differences in 
>the tachometer to display that correctly. If the 
>terms are used interchangeably then when 
>responding to a (formal engineering?) question 
>you would first have to establish which one is being talked about!
>
>PaulH.


>On 02/08/2023 14:29, dave northrup wrote:
>>
>> From Wikipedia
>>
>>A tachometer (revolution-counter, tach, 
>>rev-counter, RPM gauge) is an instrument 
>>measuring the rotation speed of a 
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle>shaft or 
>>disk, as in a motor or other 
>>machine.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachometer#cite_note-1>[1] 
>>The device usually displays the 
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute>revolutions 
>>per 
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute>minute 
>>(RPM) on a calibrated analogue dial, but 
>>digital displays are increasingly common.
>>
>>The word comes from 
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language>Greek 
>>?????????? (t?chos "speed") and ???????????? 
>>(m??tron "measure"). Essentially the words 
>>tachometer and 
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer>speedometer 
>>have identical meaning: a device that measures 
>>speed. It is by arbitrary convention that in 
>>the automotive world one is used for engine 
>>revolutions and the other for vehicle speed. In 
>>formal engineering nomenclature, more precise 
>>terms are used to distinguish the two.
>>
>> From dictionary.com
>>
>>tachometer
>>
>>[ ta-kom-i-ter, tuh- ]SHOW IPA
>>
>>----------
>>noun
>>    * any of various instruments for measuring 
>> or indicating velocity or speed, as of a machine, a river, or the blood.
>>    * an instrument measuring revolutions per minute, as of an engine.


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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Aug  7 00:21:23 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 00:21:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
Message-ID: <835c00bc-9aa4-80e0-a107-c859410e823e@bradakis.com>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMv8SzcHO4

mjb.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Aug  7 06:36:02 2023
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:36:02 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
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As a guy living in Europe, I'd say no.
It does not fit on our roads.
The engine's power is an overkill.
The character of the original MGB is lost.

If one would like to have a V8 in an MGB, go fort he 1974 MGB GT V8.
The engine has the same weight as the original B-Series engine
The suspension was slightly altered, but the great roadholding was kept.

Cheers, Hans


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: maandag 7 augustus 2023 08:21
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Onderwerp: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMv8SzcHO4

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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 07:00:37 2023
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:00:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
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Meh.

Dan D
?76 B
Central NJ USA

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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Aug  7 07:14:49 2023
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:14:49 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
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Dear friends,

 

We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.

This also was applicable for the space in the garage. 

So I had to make a choice - either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic Puch
mopeds from the seventies.

I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3 Puch
mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.

After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring it, driving
it, and rarely being stranded because of a malfunctioned ignition rotor of
only 9 months and <2,000 miles old) I sold it.

 

I want to thank the listers for their friendship.

Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot he USA and
UK, or who came to visit me:

Rick Lindsay

Rui Gigante

Bud Krueger       - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind host of
the day

Carl French

Mike Nadeau

Frank Krajewski

Steve Walker

Trefor Delve

Paul Hinchcliffe

Denise Thorpe - who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!

Alex Gotfried

Ed Kaler of Justbrits.

 

Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing a
fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011

 

Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger's site:

http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm 

http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm 

 

Paul Hunt            - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the Heritage
Museum Gaydon UK

My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011



 

Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:



 

 

The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after learning on
the job, I was able to help others. 

Thanks everyone!

 

If our moderator is o.k. with it, I'd like to stay in a more listing /
lurking mode.

 

Cheers, 

 

Hans Duinhoven

 

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From barroban at outlook.com  Mon Aug  7 08:21:29 2023
From: barroban at outlook.com (Windows 10)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:21:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] The delightful MGB GT V8
In-Reply-To: <000d01d9c92b$ba04e540$2e0eafc0$@planet.nl>
References: <835c00bc-9aa4-80e0-a107-c859410e823e@bradakis.com>
 <000d01d9c92b$ba04e540$2e0eafc0$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <CY8PR19MB715418F5F7E3D6FC5E56E59BDD0CA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I restore Brit cars as a hobby - although age has now curtailed my 
efforts somewhat.?? I built an MGB GT V8 from scratch by restoring (to 
perfection I may add!) a sad MGB GT and installing a V8 from RPi UK.??? 
To say the character of the MGB is lost is inaccurate.?? I upped the 
rear axle as done on the "C" and the handling etc is still there.??? I 
think people get confused with the power of the V8 but if you adapt 
rather than get confused all is well.??? I drive my V8? with gusto but I 
still find the MGB in there - and weight distribution is 50/50.??? You 
just have to use the loud pedal with skill - and roads are roads 
whatever country you are? in.

The amusing thing is that as V8s were not sold in Canada (where i am) or 
in the USA the model is practically unknown there.? So reactions are 
quite amusing !!

On 8/7/2023 8:36 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
> As a guy living in Europe, I'd say no.
> It does not fit on our roads.
> The engine's power is an overkill.
> The character of the original MGB is lost.
>
> If one would like to have a V8 in an MGB, go fort he 1974 MGB GT V8.
> The engine has the same weight as the original B-Series engine
> The suspension was slightly altered, but the great roadholding was kept.
>
> Cheers, Hans
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Mgs<mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>  Namens Mark Bradakis
> Verzonden: maandag 7 augustus 2023 08:21
> Aan:mgs at autox.team.net
> Onderwerp: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMv8SzcHO4
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From ddarby at centurytel.net  Mon Aug  7 08:43:54 2023
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:43:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
In-Reply-To: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
References: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <001201d9c93d$97ad3800$c707a800$@centurytel.net>

Hello Hans,

 

Thanks for the heartfelt post. Although we never met, I've always enjoyed
your comments and insights.

 

All the best,

 

David Darby

Missouri

USA

 

From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
h.duinhoven at planet.nl
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:15 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG

 

Dear friends,

 

We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.

This also was applicable for the space in the garage. 

So I had to make a choice - either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic Puch
mopeds from the seventies.

I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3 Puch
mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.

After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring it, driving
it, and rarely being stranded because of a malfunctioned ignition rotor of
only 9 months and <2,000 miles old) I sold it.

 

I want to thank the listers for their friendship.

Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot he USA and
UK, or who came to visit me:

Rick Lindsay

Rui Gigante

Bud Krueger       - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind host of
the day

Carl French

Mike Nadeau

Frank Krajewski

Steve Walker

Trefor Delve

Paul Hinchcliffe

Denise Thorpe - who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!

Alex Gotfried

Ed Kaler of Justbrits.

 

Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing a
fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011

 

Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger's site:

http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm 

http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm 

 

Paul Hunt            - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the Heritage
Museum Gaydon UK

My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011

 

Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:

 

The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after learning on
the job, I was able to help others. 

Thanks everyone!

 

If our moderator is o.k. with it, I'd like to stay in a more listing /
lurking mode.

 

Cheers, 

 

Hans Duinhoven

 

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From barroban at outlook.com  Mon Aug  7 09:41:19 2023
From: barroban at outlook.com (Windows 10)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
In-Reply-To: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
References: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <CY8PR19MB7154412A19BF2B125F725ADADD0CA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Hans,

Oh my oath !! How could you sell your MGB GT ? .?? I built an MGB GT V8 
from scratch and I love it.?? I too got short of garage space and took 
the choice of selling my Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII or the MGB and the MGB 
GT V8 won ? - I know that is strange but the value of the Aston did 
restrict my vroom vroom enjoyment - the V8 gives me that without the 
financial worry.

As I have hit 90 my resto days are over so the MGB gives the pleasure I 
need.?? Oh but I am heavy into my other hobby - antique maps - see photo.

All the very best
Barrie

On 8/7/2023 9:14 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.
>
> This also was applicable for the space in the garage.
>
> So I had to make a choice ? either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic Puch 
> mopeds from the seventies.
>
> I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3 
> Puch mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.
>
> After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring it, 
> driving it, and rarely being stranded because of a malfunctioned 
> ignition rotor of only 9 months and <2,000 miles old) I sold it.
>
> I want to thank the listers for their friendship.
>
> Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot he 
> USA and UK, or who came to visit me:
>
> Rick Lindsay
>
> Rui Gigante
>
> Bud Krueger?????? - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind host 
> of the day
>
> Carl French
>
> Mike Nadeau
>
> Frank Krajewski
>
> Steve Walker
>
> Trefor Delve
>
> Paul Hinchcliffe
>
> Denise Thorpe ? who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!
>
> Alex Gotfried
>
> Ed Kaler of Justbrits?
>
> Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing a 
> fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011
>
> Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger?s site:
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm
>
> Paul Hunt??????????? - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the 
> Heritage Museum Gaydon UK
>
> My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011
>
> Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:
>
> The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after 
> learning on the job, I was able to help others.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> If our moderator is o.k. with it, I?d like to stay in a more listing / 
> lurking mode.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Duinhoven
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Aug  7 09:43:04 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 08:43:04 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+mmQYk8QQpXTqF3yFuJm-nS2480HkDQR-BmZUfNJVLDGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <835c00bc-9aa4-80e0-a107-c859410e823e@bradakis.com>
 <CABxEc+mmQYk8QQpXTqF3yFuJm-nS2480HkDQR-BmZUfNJVLDGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAA0CB1D-DCBE-4620-B411-B585501D735E@sonic.net>

I read an article on this car some time ago. Nope. If I wanted a wide V8 roadster I would buy a Corvette. The MGB is right in the Goldilocks zone as it stands ? not too big, not too small.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 6:00 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Meh.
> 
> Dan D
> ?76 B
> Central NJ USA
> 
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 3:57 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com <mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMv8SzcHO4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMv8SzcHO4>
> 
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________

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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 10:02:45 2023
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 12:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
In-Reply-To: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
References: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <CABxEc+nsQG6+5kpTFDkFWKdN5sXyuzUtK6MLpaoSAZF4Hrd72g@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear that, Hans...... I'm in a similar boat, or will be in a few
years when we head out of New Jersey to somewhere warmer year round in a
couple of years.
It's actually not very enjoyable to drive my B in the summer as it's too
damn hot, and the hot season seems to be extending in either direction on
the calendar these days,
so the number of days I can really enjoy driving the car is getting less
and less.... And when we do move we will be downsizing as well, so may not
have the garage space
to keep the car.

Dan D
'76B
Central NJ USA

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 10:31?AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
>
>
> We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.
>
> This also was applicable for the space in the garage.
>
> So I had to make a choice ? either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic Puch
> mopeds from the seventies.
>
> I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3 Puch
> mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.
>
> After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring it,
> driving it, and rarely being stranded because of a malfunctioned ignition
> rotor of only 9 months and <2,000 miles old) I sold it.
>
>
>
> I want to thank the listers for their friendship.
>
> Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot he USA
> and UK, or who came to visit me:
>
> Rick Lindsay
>
> Rui Gigante
>
> Bud Krueger       - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind host of
> the day
>
> Carl French
>
> Mike Nadeau
>
> Frank Krajewski
>
> Steve Walker
>
> Trefor Delve
>
> Paul Hinchcliffe
>
> Denise Thorpe ? who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!
>
> Alex Gotfried
>
> Ed Kaler of Justbrits?
>
>
>
> Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing a
> fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011
>
>
>
> Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger?s site:
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm
>
>
>
> Paul Hunt            - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the Heritage
> Museum Gaydon UK
>
> My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011
>
>
>
> Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:
>
>
>
>
>
> The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after learning on
> the job, I was able to help others.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
>
>
> If our moderator is o.k. with it, I?d like to stay in a more listing /
> lurking mode.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Hans Duinhoven
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Mon Aug  7 10:13:12 2023
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
In-Reply-To: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
References: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dyr0_hhvuxYOo-EW-GNZcgVzWtXyz1m1fsXehpnzbY5Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Hans. As you know, both of my MGs are gone too. Sigh...

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, 9:37 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
>
>
> We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.
>
> This also was applicable for the space in the garage.
>
> So I had to make a choice ? either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic Puch
> mopeds from the seventies.
>
> I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3 Puch
> mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.
>
> After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring it,
> driving it, and rarely being stranded because of a malfunctioned ignition
> rotor of only 9 months and <2,000 miles old) I sold it.
>
>
>
> I want to thank the listers for their friendship.
>
> Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot he USA
> and UK, or who came to visit me:
>
> Rick Lindsay
>
> Rui Gigante
>
> Bud Krueger       - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind host of
> the day
>
> Carl French
>
> Mike Nadeau
>
> Frank Krajewski
>
> Steve Walker
>
> Trefor Delve
>
> Paul Hinchcliffe
>
> Denise Thorpe ? who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!
>
> Alex Gotfried
>
> Ed Kaler of Justbrits?
>
>
>
> Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing a
> fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011
>
>
>
> Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger?s site:
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm
>
> http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm
>
>
>
> Paul Hunt            - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the Heritage
> Museum Gaydon UK
>
> My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011
>
>
>
> Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:
>
>
>
>
>
> The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after learning on
> the job, I was able to help others.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
>
>
> If our moderator is o.k. with it, I?d like to stay in a more listing /
> lurking mode.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Hans Duinhoven
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive
>
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From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  7 15:17:46 2023
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Without my MG
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyr0_hhvuxYOo-EW-GNZcgVzWtXyz1m1fsXehpnzbY5Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001601d9c931$2561b0c0$70251240$@planet.nl>
 <CAOc+-dyr0_hhvuxYOo-EW-GNZcgVzWtXyz1m1fsXehpnzbY5Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bddaf170-f930-19e1-f9df-1f3f28c9c059@sbcglobal.net>

Seems to be a lot of that going around.? I no longer have my MG or a 
Morgan.? Old age and poor health contribute.? At least I still have my 
S2000.? Not the same but better than nothing.

Charles Hillbb

On 8/7/2023 11:13 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote:
> Thank you Hans. As you know, both of my MGs are gone too. Sigh...
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023, 9:37 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
>
>     Dear friends,
>
>     We have moved home, which is much smaller than the previous one.
>
>     This also was applicable for the space in the garage.
>
>     So I had to make a choice ? either keeping my MG, or my 3 classic
>     Puch mopeds from the seventies.
>
>     I have been measuring a lot and came tot he conclusion, that the 3
>     Puch mopeds are to stay and the MG had to go.
>
>     After 33 years of joy with my MGB GT from California, restoring
>     it, driving it, and rarely being stranded because of a
>     malfunctioned ignition rotor of only 9 months and <2,000 miles
>     old) I sold it.
>
>     I want to thank the listers for their friendship.
>
>     Especially those listers whom I met during my several visits tot
>     he USA and UK, or who came to visit me:
>
>     Rick Lindsay
>
>     Rui Gigante
>
>     Bud Krueger?????? - special thanks to Bud for being twice my kind
>     host of the day
>
>     Carl French
>
>     Mike Nadeau
>
>     Frank Krajewski
>
>     Steve Walker
>
>     Trefor Delve
>
>     Paul Hinchcliffe
>
>     Denise Thorpe ? who also did a lot of work on het MGB by herself!
>
>     Alex Gotfried
>
>     Ed Kaler of Justbrits?
>
>     Jim Goodwin of Colorado Springs very special thanks for organizing
>     a fantastic tour around the Garden of the Gods in February 2011
>
>     Pics of the Boston area events at Bud Krueger?s site:
>
>     http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm
>
>     http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm
>
>     Paul Hunt??????????? - special thanks to Paul, whom I met a the
>     Heritage Museum Gaydon UK
>
>     My MG pictured during this visit in the UK in July 2011
>
>     Paul & me pictured with our cars in front of the museum:
>
>     The list has helped me with the restoration of my GT and after
>     learning on the job, I was able to help others.
>
>     Thanks everyone!
>
>     If our moderator is o.k. with it, I?d like to stay in a more
>     listing / lurking mode.
>
>     Cheers,
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Tue Aug  8 09:38:57 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:38:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
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References: <835c00bc-9aa4-80e0-a107-c859410e823e@bradakis.com>
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Well, it?s kind of what my father used to call ?an answer to a question that nobody asked?.

Lots of people put V8s in MGs without radical surgery that changes the character of the car and leaves it barely recognizable. Why? It?s the sort of stunt you might kick around over a beer, but actually doing it seems almost pointless, not to mention expensive. Oh, well, we all have dreams, I suppose...

--
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'66 MGB

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:30 AM, Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 8:43 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I read an article on this car some time ago. Nope. If I wanted a wide V8 roadster I would buy a Corvette. The MGB is right in the Goldilocks zone as it stands ? not too big, not too small.
> 
> A car doesn't have to be one that I'd want for myself for me to appreciate it.  I certainly understand why people like American muscle cars, and one could be fun for a little while, though less so when I'm paying $4.50/gallon for regular
> 
> 
> --
> Larry Colen
> lrc at red4est.com.   sent from Mirkwood
> 
> 
> 
> 


From herr_dorsch at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  8 13:08:28 2023
From: herr_dorsch at yahoo.com (Zach Dorsch)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:08:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Well, somebody might like it.
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I think that is the third version of the car since Jim has owned it (and it?s been featured in more than few places). My dad, who is not into MG?s, mentioned the car?to me?after seeing?the metal work?on one of the hot rodder sites. At the very least it?s exposing the B to a larger audience.
His build thread is fairly detailed and this seems more like a project that keeps him busy.?
http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?13,7581?

Zach

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 1:52 PM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

Well, it?s kind of what my father used to call ?an answer to a question that nobody asked?.

Lots of people put V8s in MGs without radical surgery that changes the character of the car and leaves it barely recognizable. Why? It?s the sort of stunt you might kick around over a beer, but actually doing it seems almost pointless, not to mention expensive. Oh, well, we all have dreams, I suppose...

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 1:30 AM, Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2023, at 8:43 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I read an article on this car some time ago. Nope. If I wanted a wide V8 roadster I would buy a Corvette. The MGB is right in the Goldilocks zone as it stands ? not too big, not too small.
> 
> A car doesn't have to be one that I'd want for myself for me to appreciate it.? I certainly understand why people like American muscle cars, and one could be fun for a little while, though less so when I'm paying $4.50/gallon for regular
> 
> 
> --
> Larry Colen
> lrc at red4est.com.? sent from Mirkwood
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug  8 13:35:58 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:35:58 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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I do not know the origins of the tach.  I have no idea what is inside it and I have not taken it apart.  The car came to me in kit form.  I don?t really even know if the tach worked.  Any way to test it?

I do know that with the tach hooked up the engine runs, so power is at least going through it.   this is the only source of power for the coil.  Anyone have an mgb electic tach to sell?  I?d like to hook up something that is a known quantity.

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:53 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine

Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified. Are you sure it still contains the matching internals? I say this because for 20 years I ran my Mk. I MGB with the original tach case, faceplate & needle, but with a cheap auto parts store mini-tach inside the case. The only modifications were two small screw holes to attach the mechanism.

An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white wire, attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a thin U-shaped brass bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.

Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about an MGA tach or an early MGB tach...

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB


On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:

Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.

On the back view, what hooks up where?  I am pretty sure the tab, and the screw, are ground.

The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the coil.  I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.  Which goes to power and which to the coil?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug  8 13:44:17 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 19:44:17 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
Message-ID: <0439b35b19984891a62db0488aec7310@ranteer.com>

Car is a 58 mga.  Bled the brakes just fine but I can't get action out of the clutch.

Have speedbleeder on it but that's not working for me.

Several times the wife pumped the clutch about 10 times with the bleed valve closed, then I would open it and pretty much nothing came out.

If I leave the valve open and pump fluid does come out.

The master is new.  I think the slave is new as well.  I recognize either one could be an out of box failure.

I've gone through mgaguru but I don't see the answer I need.

So frustrated I've thought about replace both the master and slave, but I'm not convinced that's the problem.
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 01:21:45 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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Have you disconnected the tach with the engine running and confirmed it 
stops?

You can check the calibration using an old-fashioned trickle charger but 
if it's not working with coil current passing through it then it won't 
work on that either.? The only thing you can do (apart from sending it 
away to someone) is to open it up and look for any broken connections in 
wiring and an the circuit board.? If you are familiar with electronics 
there are certain tests you can do inside.? This circuit 
https://www.classictiger.com/techtips/motach.html is of the early tach 
with the external pickup and this one the later internal 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/harvit.htm.? It can also be converted to the 
later voltage pulse type with a module as here 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rvctach.htm

PaulH.


On 08/08/2023 20:35, dave northrup wrote:
>
> I do not know the origins of the tach.? I have no idea what is inside 
> it and I have not taken it apart. The car came to me in kit form.? I 
> don?t really even know if the tach worked.? Any way to test it?
>
> I do know that with the tach hooked up the engine runs, so power is at 
> least going through it.? ?this is the only source of power for the 
> coil.? Anyone have an mgb electic tach to sell?? I?d like to hook up 
> something that is a known quantity.
>
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 01:29:44 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:29:44 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
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On an MGB:? A Gunson's Eezibleed would confirm that fluid is flowing 
freely through the system, or perhaps a Mityvac.? Make sure the pedal 
comes fully back - disconnecting the pedal clevis if necessary, or fluid 
can't get down from the reservoir to the cylinder and the rest of the 
hydraulics.

Try wedging the pedal fully down overnight (bleed nipple closed) then 
release it next morning as you would with your foot i.e. not with a bang 
just knocking the prop away.? Hopefully you will hear gurgling as air is 
pushed back from the pipe into the reservoir. May have to do that a 
couple of times.

PaulH.

On 08/08/2023 20:44, dave northrup wrote:

> Car is a 58 mga.? Bled the brakes just fine but I can?t get action out 
> of the clutch.
>
> Have speedbleeder on it but that?s not working for me.
>
> Several times the wife pumped the clutch about 10 times with the bleed 
> valve closed, then I would open it and pretty much nothing came out.
>
> If I leave the valve open and pump fluid does come out.
>
> The master is new.? I think the slave is new as well.? I recognize 
> either one could be an out of box failure.
>
> I?ve gone through mgaguru but I don?t see the answer I need.
>
> So frustrated I?ve thought about replace both the master and slave, 
> but I?m not convinced that?s the problem.
>
>
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 06:11:03 2023
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:11:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
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	Everyone who has ever bled a clutch on MGA or MGB has a sad tale of difficulty to relate. Those who have owned TDs with rods&lever or the cable remember how easy that job of adjustment was.
	Everyone has a method that eventually worked.  Mine is to fill as I assume they did at the factory?figure out the quantity of fluid in the entire system, then push that amount in at the clutch with a syringe until MC fills.  The thought is that pushing up from the bottom will take any bubbles along with the fluid to the top.  
	Worked for me. Hope it works for you.
Bob


> On Aug 8, 2023, at 3:44 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Car is a 58 mga.  Bled the brakes just fine but I can?t get action out of the clutch.
>  
> Have speedbleeder on it but that?s not working for me.
>  
> Several times the wife pumped the clutch about 10 times with the bleed valve closed, then I would open it and pretty much nothing came out.
>  
> If I leave the valve open and pump fluid does come out.
>  
> The master is new.  I think the slave is new as well.  I recognize either one could be an out of box failure.
>  
> I?ve gone through mgaguru but I don?t see the answer I need. 
>  
> So frustrated I?ve thought about replace both the master and slave, but I?m not convinced that?s the problem.
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 08:12:13 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:12:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
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I don't think the factory did it that way - they would have done it the 
same as the brakes from the Master.? But they used a higher pressure and 
hence flow than is safe with an EeziBleed, and I have read of workshops 
with similar higher-pressure equipment also do it without problems.

But for us poor owners yes reverse filling has worked for me as well - 
albeit not every time.? The first time I did I connected the EeziBleed 
to the clutch slave until I could see fluid in the master, then topped 
off as normal, and had a perfect clutch.? The second time I did 
something else recommended and that was link the right caliper and 
clutch slave nipples - they are the same size, and while someone gently 
operated the brake pedal opened and closed the clutch nipple - whilst 
keeping an eye on the level in the brake master of course.? Again a 
perfect clutch, and that is despite the conventional wisdom that says 
the bleed nipple has to be at the highest point in the cylinder - which 
it isn't with reverse filling/bleeding.? And when that hasn't worked, 
both for myself and others, then wedging down overnight has.? Even 
though almost all the run is vertical it seems that having the front 
higher than the rear makes the difference.

PaulH.

On 09/08/2023 13:11, Robert's New iPad wrote:
> Everyone who has ever bled a clutch on MGA or MGB has a sad tale of 
> difficulty to relate. Those who have owned TDs with rods&lever or the 
> cable remember how easy that job of adjustment was.
> Everyone has a method that eventually worked. ?Mine is to fill as I 
> assume they did at the factory?figure out the quantity of fluid in the 
> entire system, then push that amount in at the clutch with a syringe 
> until MC fills. ?The thought is that pushing up from the bottom will 
> take any bubbles along with the fluid to the top.
> Worked for me. Hope it works for you.
> Bob
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Aug  9 09:39:24 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 08:39:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] mga clutch bleeding
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Yeah, for some reason this seemingly simple task is often inexplicably difficult.

One factor is that the reservoir capacity is so tiny that it is very easy to inadvertently empty it and allow air into the system, which basically puts you back to square one. It?s like you have to top it off after every stroke. Bob?s method sounds helpful in that regard.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 5:11 AM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 	Everyone who has ever bled a clutch on MGA or MGB has a sad tale of difficulty to relate. Those who have owned TDs with rods&lever or the cable remember how easy that job of adjustment was.
> 	Everyone has a method that eventually worked.  Mine is to fill as I assume they did at the factory?figure out the quantity of fluid in the entire system, then push that amount in at the clutch with a syringe until MC fills.  The thought is that pushing up from the bottom will take any bubbles along with the fluid to the top.  
> 	Worked for me. Hope it works for you.
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 3:44 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Car is a 58 mga.  Bled the brakes just fine but I can?t get action out of the clutch.
>>  
>> Have speedbleeder on it but that?s not working for me.
>>  
>> Several times the wife pumped the clutch about 10 times with the bleed valve closed, then I would open it and pretty much nothing came out.
>>  
>> If I leave the valve open and pump fluid does come out.
>>  
>> The master is new.  I think the slave is new as well.  I recognize either one could be an out of box failure.
>>  
>> I?ve gone through mgaguru but I don?t see the answer I need. 
>>  
>> So frustrated I?ve thought about replace both the master and slave, but I?m not convinced that?s the problem.
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From difejo1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 20:40:42 2023
From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
Message-ID: <F862BC49-7EEF-4783-9199-996A1C5457E9@gmail.com>

Hello all.  I?ve been lurking on the list and haven?t posted in ages.  
I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the gasket.   The front pan bolts are hidden behind the crossmember.  Does anyone have advice for removing these bolts?
Thanks
John DiFede

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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 01:56:55 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:56:55 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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It can be surprising how often you can be absolutely positive about 
something, then find it wasn't as you expected.? Nothing like proving it.

There will be no harm swapping the pickup connections at the tach, and 
it's worth trying as someone may have swapped them internally for some 
reason.

Swapping the 12v and earth is a little more tricky.? With electronics 
reverse connection can sometimes blow the semi-conductors, so it's a risk.

PaulH.

On 09/08/2023 17:00, dave northrup wrote:
>
> There is only 1 wire going to the coil. That wire comes directly from 
> the tach; I wired that myself as well as the one wire going from the 
> fusebox to the tach.? So I can just about guarantee that if I break 
> that circuit the engine won?t run.? I have not yet tried ?rapping? the 
> tach.
>
> I was not certain of your previous answer ? can I do any harm by 
> swapping the connections on the tach?? Of course, if its not working 
> anyway . . .
>
>
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 04:37:10 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:37:10 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
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I've not had to do it on my 4-cylinder but have on the V8 which is 
similar.? I used a ring spanner from the front - ratchet ring ideally.? 
If you can lift the engine that should give more room, as would 
disconnecting at least the left-hand engine mount.? I think I raised my 
V8 putting a block of wood largely covering the sump pan and jacking 
under that.

PaulH.

On 10/08/2023 03:40, John DiFede wrote:
> Hello all.  I?ve been lurking on the list and haven?t posted in ages.
> I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the gasket.   The front pan bolts are hidden behind the crossmember.  Does anyone have advice for removing these bolts?
> Thanks
> John DiFede
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 06:30:36 2023
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
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	Using a 2x4 pad or equivalent, gently jack under front of the engine sump.
	You need only 1/8? or so of lift in order to slip a wrench into the cramped space, then a bit more for the fasteners to come out. Anticipate a layer of oily dirt in this space.
	Were I doing this again, I would first wash this area with Dawn dish liquid. It is sold in a trigger bottle. I have recently learned of this, though it?s not a new product, and found it to be helpful for pre-wrenching cleanup.
Bob


> On Aug 9, 2023, at 10:40 PM, John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all.  I?ve been lurking on the list and haven?t posted in ages.  
> I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the gasket.   The front pan bolts are hidden behind the crossmember.  Does anyone have advice for removing these bolts?
> Thanks
> John DiFede
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Aug 10 06:40:44 2023
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 07:40:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
In-Reply-To: <F862BC49-7EEF-4783-9199-996A1C5457E9@gmail.com>
References: <F862BC49-7EEF-4783-9199-996A1C5457E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1691671271.2708.mgs@autox.team.net>

Yes, it is doable. See here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of106.htm


At 09:40 PM 8/9/2023, John DiFede wrote:
>Hello all.  I've been lurking on the list and haven't posted in 
>ages.  I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the 
>gasket.   The front pan bolts are hidden behind the 
>crossmember.  Does anyone have advice for removing these bolts? 
>Thanks John DiFede '
>....


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From difejo1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 07:27:49 2023
From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
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From ddarby at centurytel.net  Thu Aug 10 08:16:56 2023
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
In-Reply-To: <a08d0dfc-6704-4433-b511-2d89814d0e1a@gmail.com>
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After I removed mine for the first time, I cut slots across the front five bolt heads with a hacksaw. Then, when reinstalling them, one can speed them on and cinch them up with a minimum of grief, as Paul says. Next time they need to come off, you can loosen them with a spanner and remove fairly quickly with a long, thin screwdriver. YMMY.

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:37 AM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
> 
> I've not had to do it on my 4-cylinder but have on the V8 which is similar.  I
> used a ring spanner from the front - ratchet ring ideally. If you can lift the
> engine that should give more room, as would disconnecting at least the left-
> hand engine mount.  I think I raised my
> V8 putting a block of wood largely covering the sump pan and jacking under
> that.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> On 10/08/2023 03:40, John DiFede wrote:
> > Hello all.  I?ve been lurking on the list and haven?t posted in ages.
> > I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the gasket.   The
> front pan bolts are hidden behind the crossmember.  Does anyone have
> advice for removing these bolts?
> > Thanks
> > John DiFede
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Aug 10 10:48:04 2023
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:48:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
In-Reply-To: <F9C30F6D-33D1-43CD-B8EF-377D41814170@gmail.com>
References: <64d4dadc.170a0220.b990e.4c64SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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John,

That doesn't work. The enginre mount brackets are attached with three 
screws, two of those runinng throuigh tehe engine front plate.  See here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/books/spl/spl_1600_a1.pdf
Go to page 23 of 24

Also see here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/parts/AHH/AHH5065.htm
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/parts/AHH/AHH5066.htm

To disconnect engine mounts,  you likely need to remove  the front 
carburetor and the generator, then remove four bolts from the bottom 
of each mount, leaving the rubber blocks attached to engine 
brackets.  That's a tough sell just to remove the sump.

Barney


At 08:27 AM 8/10/2023, John DiFede wrote:
>Thank you all for the advice.   I have all the tools you suggested 
>and I have the advantage of working under a lift.   I see the engine 
>mounts are attached to the block with one bolt on each side.  Looks 
>like I can remove these bolts and slightly raise the engine for more 
>working room.  I plan to use a smear of silicone sealer along with 
>the gasket.
>John DiFede
>Hopewell Junction, NY


>>On Aug 10, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:
>>
>>es, it is doable. See here:
>>http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of106.htm


>>At 09:40 PM 8/9/2023, John DiFede wrote:
>>>Hello all.  I've been lurking on the list and haven't posted in 
>>>ages.  I want to remove the oil pan on my 1973 MGB to replace the 
>>>gasket.   The front pan bolts are hidden behind the 
>>>crossmember.  Does anyone have advice for removing these bolts? 
>>>Thanks John DiFede '
>>>....


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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 01:27:44 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 08:27:44 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
In-Reply-To: <F9C30F6D-33D1-43CD-B8EF-377D41814170@gmail.com>
References: <64d4dadc.170a0220.b990e.4c64SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Rubber bumper MGBs have one mount stud and a nut through the chassis 
mount each side, chrome bumper have four nuts and bolts. Having said 
that they are easier to deal with than the RB especially on the drivers 
side where the rack shaft covers the nut.

Make sure you replace any shims, the engine earth strap and carb 
overflow tubes correctly.

PaulH.

On 10/08/2023 14:27, John DiFede wrote:
> Thank you all for the advice. ? I have all the tools you suggested and 
> I have the advantage of working under a lift. ? I see the engine 
> mounts are attached to the block with one bolt on each side. ...

From difejo1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 07:06:02 2023
From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
In-Reply-To: <38613d52-2915-1ff1-feb2-b8a4365ed45e@gmail.com>
References: <38613d52-2915-1ff1-feb2-b8a4365ed45e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <910B0225-BD5D-4C7F-A8B4-8DF540FFF896@gmail.com>

Guys,  I decided not to remove my oil pan after seeing it was more difficult than I had thought.  My engine looks to be leaking from the junction of the oil pan and timing cover.  I?m not certain it was the pan gasket.  I ended up tightening all the lower bolts for the timing cover and front pan.  I sprayed degreaser and cleaned the area.  I?ll continue to watch and see if I can find the leak source.  
Thanks again for all your help. 
John DiFede

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 6:16 AM, Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rubber bumper MGBs have one mount stud and a nut through the chassis mount each side, chrome bumper have four nuts and bolts. Having said that they are easier to deal with than the RB especially on the drivers side where the rack shaft covers the nut.
> 
> Make sure you replace any shims, the engine earth strap and carb overflow tubes correctly.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
>> On 10/08/2023 14:27, John DiFede wrote:
>> Thank you all for the advice.   I have all the tools you suggested and I have the advantage of working under a lift.   I see the engine mounts are attached to the block with one bolt on each side. ...
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 07:53:39 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:53:39 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil pan removal
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Can also be the crank pulley seal.? Timing cover 1/4" and sump screws 
are only 6 ft lb, TC 5/16" screws are 14 ft lb.? It's easy to distort 
the flanges making them bulge up between the screws because of the cork 
gasket, tightening further makes it worse. I've seen a reinforcing strip 
for both.

PaulH.

On 11/08/2023 14:06, John DiFede wrote:
> Guys,  I decided not to remove my oil pan after seeing it was more difficult than I had thought.  My engine looks to be leaking from the junction of the oil pan and timing cover.  I?m not certain it was the pan gasket.  I ended up tightening all the lower bolts for the timing cover and front pan.  I sprayed degreaser and cleaned the area.  I?ll continue to watch and see if I can find the leak source.
> Thanks again for all your help.
> John DiFede
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug 15 16:15:58 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:15:58 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
Message-ID: <1c2c100887764096a6af6872d693ffe6@ranteer.com>

Just want everyone to know that this British company in Baldock Hertfordshire sells pure unadulterated crap.

DO NOT patronize these people; you will regret it
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 16:50:18 2023
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 18:50:18 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
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 	Alas, it?s not just B&G supplying parts that do not fit or do not do the job.
	Today, by chance, I was involved in a clutch replacement in 1976 MGB. The new throw-out bearing came with two types of retainers, one the usual sort, the other a spring-thing. Didn?t matter initially, as the T/O bearing centre casting was too large diameter to fit into the T/O lever arms.   Fortunately, we had a lathe in the shop and a few minutes later had cut .015 off the casting.  The original-type retainer clips then fit and job is done.
	But the owner who does not happen to have a lathe handy would be out of luck, and if the job were being done by a shop, another 30-45 minutes of shop time for the job.
Bob


> On Aug 15, 2023, at 6:15 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Just want everyone to know that this British company in Baldock Hertfordshire sells pure unadulterated crap.
>  
> DO NOT patronize these people; you will regret it
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug 15 18:47:01 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:47:01 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA overriders
Message-ID: <3331410712f5407e8bc8f8ae698dec71@ranteer.com>

Before I dump them in recycle, is there anything constructive I can do with "good enough for a driver" overriders?
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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 01:37:52 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:37:52 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
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Which parts have you had problems with?? They are one of the four main 
suppliers I use and I can't guarantee not to have problems with any of 
them.

Moss has been the cause of my problems lately.? A new headlight switch 
didn't work out of the box and had to be opened? up and the contacts 
cleaned.? Headlight sub-harnesses had pressed bullets instead of the 
usual brass and were way too small for the standard Lucar connectors.? 
And even if they had been the right diameter they were too long with an 
uninsulated portion sticking out the back 1/4" so at risk of shorting 
unless sleeved with heat-shrink. Some years ago king-pin shims stamped 
with different numbers but all the same thickness.

'Lucas' indicator flasher units from a variety of sources with box and 
can all stamped with the correct information but internally they are 
hazard flashers which work very differently and have two safety 
implications when used as indicators.

A recent case on the MGOC fora where a chap in America had bought new 
stub-axles and wheel bearings from the club where the bearings didn't 
fit the axles because the latter were over-size.

Even when you do get things that work 'out of the box, they don't last 
anywhere near as long as the originals e.g. wheel cylinders and clutch 
slaves only lasting a few k before they either leak, or seize in the 
case of the wheel cylinders.

Hydraulic brake light switches that start failing after just? few 
months.? After a 'discussion' the MGOC did send a replacement that I use 
with a relay.? Present stock has a very simple pressure contact instead 
of the original sliding contact that is self-cleaning, arcing from the 
high inrush current of filament bulbs occurs from day one and very soon 
they start going high-resistance needing more and more pressure from the 
pedal before the lights come on.

What's important is how they respond to complaints - if you do complain, 
many users just seem to moan on fora.? There is another supplier here 
who I have had problems with over and over again, they come out very 
high in the annual MGOC survey being popular because of price, but when 
they supplied 'stainless' steel wheel nuts that rusted over one winter 
with no wet or salt running I had to threaten them with court action 
before they would replace them.? Needless to say I don't touch them with 
a barge pole now.

There are only a limited number of manufacturers, and suppliers probably 
shop around for the cheapest just like users seem to do. Even when a 
supplier offers an 'OE' a cheaper 'aftermarket' the more expensive OE 
aren't as good as they should be.

PaulH.

On 15/08/2023 23:15, dave northrup wrote:
>
> Just want everyone to know that this British company in Baldock 
> Hertfordshire sells pure unadulterated crap.
>
> DO NOT patronize these people; you will regret it
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Aug 16 09:40:03 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:40:03 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
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They sent me some seat foams that are so thin and worthless that Walmart would be too embarrassed to stock.  NO RETURNS!!!!!

And btw Moss typically carries crap.  They should be the vendor of last resort.

For MGA parts I like mgaparts.com, aka Scarborough Faire.

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Hunt
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 2:38 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD


Which parts have you had problems with?  They are one of the four main suppliers I use and I can't guarantee not to have problems with any of them.

Moss has been the cause of my problems lately.  A new headlight switch didn't work out of the box and had to be opened  up and the contacts cleaned.  Headlight sub-harnesses had pressed bullets instead of the usual brass and were way too small for the standard Lucar connectors.  And even if they had been the right diameter they were too long with an uninsulated portion sticking out the back 1/4" so at risk of shorting unless sleeved with heat-shrink.  Some years ago king-pin shims stamped with different numbers but all the same thickness.

'Lucas' indicator flasher units from a variety of sources with box and can all stamped with the correct information but internally they are hazard flashers which work very differently and have two safety implications when used as indicators.

A recent case on the MGOC fora where a chap in America had bought new stub-axles and wheel bearings from the club where the bearings didn't fit the axles because the latter were over-size.

Even when you do get things that work 'out of the box, they don't last anywhere near as long as the originals e.g. wheel cylinders and clutch slaves only lasting a few k before they either leak, or seize in the case of the wheel cylinders.

Hydraulic brake light switches that start failing after just  few months.  After a 'discussion' the MGOC did send a replacement that I use with a relay.  Present stock has a very simple pressure contact instead of the original sliding contact that is self-cleaning, arcing from the high inrush current of filament bulbs occurs from day one and very soon they start going high-resistance needing more and more pressure from the pedal before the lights come on.
What's important is how they respond to complaints - if you do complain, many users just seem to moan on fora.  There is another supplier here who I have had problems with over and over again, they come out very high in the annual MGOC survey being popular because of price, but when they supplied 'stainless' steel wheel nuts that rusted over one winter with no wet or salt running I had to threaten them with court action before they would replace them.  Needless to say I don't touch them with a barge pole now.

There are only a limited number of manufacturers, and suppliers probably shop around for the cheapest just like users seem to do.  Even when a supplier offers an 'OE' a cheaper 'aftermarket' the more expensive OE aren't as good as they should be.

PaulH.
On 15/08/2023 23:15, dave northrup wrote:
Just want everyone to know that this British company in Baldock Hertfordshire sells pure unadulterated crap.

DO NOT patronize these people; you will regret it



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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 17 01:46:46 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:46:46 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
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Message-ID: <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>

Keep it quiet or everyone will want one (or two)!? The usual problem in 
the MGB world - for very many years - has been seat foams too fat with 
people slicing an inch off the bottom or drilling holes through to 
soften it.? I've been in a GT with them and my head was canted over to 
clear the sunroof surround - very uncomfortable.

PaulH.

On 16/08/2023 16:40, dave northrup wrote:
>
> They sent me some seat foams that are so thin and worthless that 
> Walmart would be too embarrassed to stock.? NO RETURNS!!!!!
>
> And btw Moss typically carries crap.? They should be the vendor of 
> last resort.
>
> For MGA parts I like mgaparts.com, aka Scarborough Faire.
>
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From barroban at outlook.com  Thu Aug 17 08:19:48 2023
From: barroban at outlook.com (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:19:48 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
In-Reply-To: <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
References: <1c2c100887764096a6af6872d693ffe6@ranteer.com>
 <35d24cf6-1588-9fbe-89a1-43e822520c19@gmail.com>
 <54e2ac0390e84c64b86b7a0bb259d92f@ranteer.com>
 <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY8PR19MB715486D7B0B032967C61CB6CDD1AA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hello folks,

When I built, from scratch, my MGB GT V8 (because none were available in 
Canada) I used an 'upholstery' bloke.? He put in memory foam for the 
seats and all has been well since then (over 10 years) For bums of 
distinction one must use top quality foam !!!

Barrie R

On 8/17/2023 3:46 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>
> Keep it quiet or everyone will want one (or two)!? The usual problem 
> in the MGB world - for very many years - has been seat foams too fat 
> with people slicing an inch off the bottom or drilling holes through 
> to soften it.? I've been in a GT with them and my head was canted over 
> to clear the sunroof surround - very uncomfortable.
>
> PaulH.
>
> On 16/08/2023 16:40, dave northrup wrote:
>>
>> They sent me some seat foams that are so thin and worthless that 
>> Walmart would be too embarrassed to stock.? NO RETURNS!!!!!
>>
>> And btw Moss typically carries crap. They should be the vendor of 
>> last resort.
>>
>> For MGA parts I like mgaparts.com, aka Scarborough Faire.
>>
>>
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Aug 17 09:41:32 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
In-Reply-To: <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
References: <1c2c100887764096a6af6872d693ffe6@ranteer.com>
 <35d24cf6-1588-9fbe-89a1-43e822520c19@gmail.com>
 <54e2ac0390e84c64b86b7a0bb259d92f@ranteer.com>
 <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B21A0980-5E02-4055-8E31-81BE9266F7CE@sonic.net>

That?s not a joke. I had to cut my Moss bottom foam at a diagonal, starting with 2 inches at the back edge, leaving it thicker at the front for thigh support. I still sit taller than in my old seats.

-- 
Max Heim
1966 MGB
1967 Barracuda

> On Aug 17, 2023, at 12:46 AM, Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Keep it quiet or everyone will want one (or two)!  The usual problem in the MGB world - for very many years - has been seat foams too fat with people slicing an inch off the bottom or drilling holes through to soften it.  I've been in a GT with them and my head was canted over to clear the sunroof surround - very uncomfortable.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> On 16/08/2023 16:40, dave northrup wrote:
>> They sent me some seat foams that are so thin and worthless that Walmart would be too embarrassed to stock.  NO RETURNS!!!!!
>>  
>> And btw Moss typically carries crap.  They should be the vendor of last resort.
>>  
>> For MGA parts I like mgaparts.com, aka Scarborough Faire.
>>  
>> 
> _______________________________________________

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From barroban at outlook.com  Tue Aug 22 09:10:50 2023
From: barroban at outlook.com (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:10:50 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Brown & Gammons LTD
In-Reply-To: <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
References: <1c2c100887764096a6af6872d693ffe6@ranteer.com>
 <35d24cf6-1588-9fbe-89a1-43e822520c19@gmail.com>
 <54e2ac0390e84c64b86b7a0bb259d92f@ranteer.com>
 <bc0a31ca-9dec-659f-2c35-7a97e7a2e3bc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY8PR19MB7154EE7B8833AD55E1112CFADD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hello folks,

When I built, from scratch, my MGB GT V8 (because none were available in 
Canada) I used an 'upholstery' bloke.? He put in memory foam for the 
seats and all has been well since then (10 years) For bums of 
distinction one must use top quality foam !!!

Barrie R

On 8/17/2023 3:46 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>
> Keep it quiet or everyone will want one (or two)!? The usual problem 
> in the MGB world - for very many years - has been seat foams too fat 
> with people slicing an inch off the bottom or drilling holes through 
> to soften it.? I've been in a GT with them and my head was canted over 
> to clear the sunroof surround - very uncomfortable.
>
> PaulH.
>
> On 16/08/2023 16:40, dave northrup wrote:
>>
>> They sent me some seat foams that are so thin and worthless that 
>> Walmart would be too embarrassed to stock.? NO RETURNS!!!!!
>>
>> And btw Moss typically carries crap. They should be the vendor of 
>> last resort.
>>
>> For MGA parts I like mgaparts.com, aka Scarborough Faire.
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>
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From barroban at outlook.com  Tue Aug 22 11:28:56 2023
From: barroban at outlook.com (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:28:56 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Tyre for MGB GT V8
Message-ID: <CY8PR19MB7154AE07210CABED2F834385DD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

What size tyre(tire) do I need for my MGB GT V8??? I do not do high 
speeds over 100km/hr.?? I like Pirellis as I used to get them free (oh 
those were the days!).?? I am in Ontario, Canada.

Cheers
Barrie


From lrc at red4est.com  Tue Aug 22 13:12:25 2023
From: lrc at red4est.com (lrc at red4est.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:12:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Tyre for MGB GT V8
In-Reply-To: <CY8PR19MB7154AE07210CABED2F834385DD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY8PR19MB7154AE07210CABED2F834385DD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <783E7513-41C5-46EE-BE3B-FFD2A41DF869@red4est.com>

I would go with 185-60-14

On August 22, 2023 10:28:56 AM PDT, Barrie Robinson <barroban at outlook.com> wrote:
>What size tyre(tire) do I need for my MGB GT V8??? I do not do high speeds over 100km/hr.?? I like Pirellis as I used to get them free (oh those were the days!).?? I am in Ontario, Canada.
>
>Cheers
>Barrie
>
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>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Tue Aug 22 15:25:45 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Tyre for MGB GT V8
In-Reply-To: <783E7513-41C5-46EE-BE3B-FFD2A41DF869@red4est.com>
References: <CY8PR19MB7154AE07210CABED2F834385DD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <783E7513-41C5-46EE-BE3B-FFD2A41DF869@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <4331E279-5545-4389-A832-8CBEA7736116@sonic.net>

He may have 15? wheels ? he didn?t tell us that, but that is what I would expect.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 12:12 PM, lrc at red4est.com <mailto:lrc at red4est.com> wrote:
> 
> I would go with 185-60-14
> 
> 
> On August 22, 2023 10:28:56 AM PDT, Barrie Robinson <barroban at outlook.com <mailto:barroban at outlook.com>> wrote:
> What size tyre(tire) do I need for my MGB GT V8?   I do not do high speeds over 100km/hr.   I like Pirellis as I used to get them free (oh those were the days!).   I am in Ontario, Canada.
> 
> Cheers
> Barrie
> Mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:Mgs at autox.team.net>
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From lrc at red4est.com  Tue Aug 22 16:06:11 2023
From: lrc at red4est.com (lrc at red4est.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:06:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Tyre for MGB GT V8
In-Reply-To: <783E7513-41C5-46EE-BE3B-FFD2A41DF869@red4est.com>
References: <CY8PR19MB7154AE07210CABED2F834385DD1FA@CY8PR19MB7154.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <783E7513-41C5-46EE-BE3B-FFD2A41DF869@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <105BC6D8-AC0D-412F-B908-C59F6E93B5A9@red4est.com>

For track use, my plan is 205-50-15, when I don't care so much about handling, 185 is fine and easier to fit under the fenders.

I've been happy with Continental extreme contact tires on both my Miata and my daily driver. I think they come in 195-xx-15. 

The DWS are good in both wet and dry

On August 22, 2023 12:12:25 PM PDT, lrc at red4est.com wrote:
>I would go with 185-60-14
>
>On August 22, 2023 10:28:56 AM PDT, Barrie Robinson <barroban at outlook.com> wrote:
>>What size tyre(tire) do I need for my MGB GT V8??? I do not do high speeds over 100km/hr.?? I like Pirellis as I used to get them free (oh those were the days!).?? I am in Ontario, Canada.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Barrie
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
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From wkilleffer at epbfi.com  Wed Aug 30 10:30:15 2023
From: wkilleffer at epbfi.com (wkilleffer at epbfi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
Message-ID: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>

Hello everyone, 

I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: [ https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore | https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore ] 

The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed ( [ https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket | https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket)  ] is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate. 

There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts? 

Thank you, 
-William Killeffer 
1974 MGB 
1996 Jeep Cherokee Country 
2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed 
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Aug 30 11:59:57 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 10:59:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
In-Reply-To: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>
References: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <C2534F90-8C59-4792-BB1C-611693B5DB13@sonic.net>

That looks like the one I installed, and it?s fine. Although I use DOT 4 Castrol LMA fluid, exclusively.

(DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3, but is otherwise compatible. DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid).

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:30 AM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore <https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore>
> 
> The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed (https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket)  <https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket>is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate.
> 
> There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
> -William Killeffer
> 1974 MGB
> 1996 Jeep Cherokee Country
> 2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed
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> 
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Wed Aug 30 16:07:20 2023
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
In-Reply-To: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>
References: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <F628B300-78F2-40FC-9C23-327014636F0D@gmail.com>

	These work OK. I have one.  There is not any extra fluid capacity in them, according to a recent article in MG Driver, so bleeding the line absolutely bubble-free is necessary. 
	They also fit several GM trucks.
Bob


> On Aug 30, 2023, at 12:30 PM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore
> 
> The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed (https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket) is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate.
> 
> There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
> -William Killeffer
> 1974 MGB
> 1996 Jeep Cherokee Country
> 2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Aug 31 01:46:53 2023
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:46:53 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
In-Reply-To: <C2534F90-8C59-4792-BB1C-611693B5DB13@sonic.net>
References: <1328988851.81616707.1693413015193.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com>
 <C2534F90-8C59-4792-BB1C-611693B5DB13@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <001901d9dbdf$4efd8dd0$ecf8a970$@planet.nl>

>>> DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid?

I have used DOT 5 all the years I have had my BGT running from 2000 ? 2023. 

It is incompatible with lower DOT values, but if the system is flushed well before filling with DOT 5(.1), it works well.

 

Cheers,

Hans 

No longer BGT ?

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Max Heim
Verzonden: woensdag 30 augustus 2023 20:00
Aan: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid

 

That looks like the one I installed, and it?s fine. Although I use DOT 4 Castrol LMA fluid, exclusively.

 

(DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3, but is otherwise compatible. DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid).

 

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB 

 





On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:30 AM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com <mailto:wkilleffer at epbfi.com>  wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

 

I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore

 

The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed (https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket)  <https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket> is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate.

 

There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts?

 

Thank you,

-William Killeffer

1974 MGB

1996 Jeep Cherokee Country

2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed

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From paulbhunt73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 31 02:00:05 2023
From: paulbhunt73 at gmail.com (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:00:05 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
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DOT4 has a higher boiling point than DOT3, DOT5.1 has a higher boiling 
point than DOT4 about the same as DOT5 and LMA.? It's said that there is 
more involved than just flushing when you switch between DOT5 and any of 
the others, it can sludge if any remains and they mix.? DOT5 doesn't 
harm paint like the other three do, but instead of absorbing water it 
absorbs air and can make for a spongy pedal.? The same amount of water 
gets into a DOT5 system as any of the others because the cap is vented 
and draws in what could be moisture-laden air as the system cools down.? 
But instead of being absorbed and so removed when you replace the fluid 
in DOT3/4/5.1 systems it can remain in the system and if it gets to the 
calipers can boil.? I remember reading a piece from the American 
military some time ago asking the SAE to investigate replacing DOT5 with 
other fluids without having to replace the complete braking system.

PaulH.

On 30/08/2023 19:08, wkilleffer at epbfi.com wrote:
> For whatever reason, my memory isn't always spot-on, but I'm pretty 
> sure I was using DOT 3 with the previous clutch hydraulics, so that's 
> likely to be what I use moving forward. Once I get it disassembled, 
> I'm going to blow compressed air through the metal line to clear out 
> any old fluid. Never used DOT 5. Understand it has some good qualities 
> along with more than a few drawbacks.
>
> About six months ago, I bled the clutch system til clear fluid ran 
> out. The fluid that came out at first was black. I didn't think I was 
> having that much trouble, so after bleeding, I put it all back 
> together. Now, everything seems to point of it suffering a failure 
> somewhere along the fluid pathway, so changing all the components will 
> at least let me know how old everything is because I'll write it down 
> in the maintenance notebook.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -William
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Aug 31 10:22:56 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
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Yes, I just meant it was incompatible with DOT 3 and 4, not that it was somehow incompatible with the master cylinder.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:46 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
> 
> >>> DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid?
> I have used DOT 5 all the years I have had my BGT running from 2000 ? 2023. 
> It is incompatible with lower DOT values, but if the system is flushed well before filling with DOT 5(.1), it works well.
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans 
> No longer BGT ?
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Max Heim
> Verzonden: woensdag 30 augustus 2023 20:00
> Aan: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
>  
> That looks like the one I installed, and it?s fine. Although I use DOT 4 Castrol LMA fluid, exclusively.
>  
> (DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3, but is otherwise compatible. DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid).
>  
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB 
>  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:30 AM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com <mailto:wkilleffer at epbfi.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello everyone,
>>  
>> I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore <https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore>
>>  
>> The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed (https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket)? <https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket>is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate.
>>  
>> There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts?
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> -William Killeffer
>> 1974 MGB
>> 1996 Jeep Cherokee Country
>> 2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Aug 31 10:28:06 2023
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 09:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
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I see no reason to continue to use the inferior DOT3 as opposed to DOT4, however. It may cost a few pennies less, but that hardly seems 
a justification, considering how critical the braking system is. Of course, you could argue that the clutch system is not as critical, but it would be worse than splitting hairs to use DOT3 for the clutch and DOT4 in the brakes? you would never keep track of that.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Aug 31, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I just meant it was incompatible with DOT 3 and 4, not that it was somehow incompatible with the master cylinder.
> 
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:46 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> wrote:
>> 
>> >>> DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid?
>> I have used DOT 5 all the years I have had my BGT running from 2000 ? 2023. 
>> It is incompatible with lower DOT values, but if the system is flushed well before filling with DOT 5(.1), it works well.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Hans 
>> No longer BGT ?
>>  
>> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> Namens Max Heim
>> Verzonden: woensdag 30 augustus 2023 20:00
>> Aan: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Moss Motors clutch master cylinder brake fluid
>>  
>> That looks like the one I installed, and it?s fine. Although I use DOT 4 Castrol LMA fluid, exclusively.
>>  
>> (DOT 4 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3, but is otherwise compatible. DOT 5 is the incompatible silicone fluid).
>>  
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2023, at 9:30 AM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com <mailto:wkilleffer at epbfi.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>  
>>> I'm about to replace the clutch hydraulics on my 1974 MGB. I did this one other time a few years ago and used a master cylinder from a company in Knoxville, TN. One problem I had with it was that it was hard to get its cap off without first removing the cap on the brake master cylinder. The new cylinder from Moss appears that it won't have that issue. It's this one under 180-697: https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore <https://mossmotors.com/180-697-clutch-master-cylinder-replacement-3-4-bore>
>>>  
>>> The problem is that there's no label on the cylinder stating whether or not it's DOT 3 compliant. The brake master I installed (https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket)? <https://mossmotors.com/180-767-brake-master-cylinder-aftermarket>is an aftermarket replacement from Moss, and it's labeled as DOT 3 compliant. I'm under the impression that most parts sold in the US are supposed to be that way, and have also been told that these new cylinders use a synthetic rubber that the old original cylinders didn't have, so the fluid is less mission critical and shouldn't cause the rubber parts to deteriorate.
>>>  
>>> There's nothing on the Moss website saying one way or the other. Any thoughts?
>>>  
>>> Thank you,
>>> -William Killeffer
>>> 1974 MGB
>>> 1996 Jeep Cherokee Country
>>> 2015 Chevrolet Sonic hatchback 1.8 5-speed
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>>> 
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