From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Sep 10 14:22:43 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 20:22:43 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust
Message-ID: <d9763896f0cf412a9c1100d635050485@ranteer.com>

I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine.  The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.

Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or how to tell the difference.

I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if fit?
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From charleyrob at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 17:59:41 2022
From: charleyrob at gmail.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 19:59:41 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust
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Dave,

I don?t know the answer to your question but I had been told when I planned to put an MGB engine in an MGA that it would require a special header to avoid interference with the steering shaft. In preparation for my project I had purchased such a header. I have since sold both the MGA and the MGB engine separately but still have the header. If you are interested its available for $100. I'm in RI.

Charley Robinson





> On Sep 10, 2022, at 4:22 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine.  The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.
>  
> Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or how to tell the difference.
>  
> I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if fit?
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From don at napanet.net  Sat Sep 10 20:48:06 2022
From: don at napanet.net (don at napanet.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust
Message-ID: <1662864486.77063918@webmail.emailsrvr.com>


I installed an MGB engine in an MGA back in 1969.  What I discovered was that the stock MGB exhaust manifold being dual pipes would hit the steering shaft, so I used the stock cast iron MGA exhaust manifold.  And used all the stock MGA exhaust as it was already in place. 
 
I don't recommend using a non-stock header on an MGA or MGB as they allow more heat to escape, and the carbs are on the same side of the engine as the exhaust.  On hot days, in traffic, a header can add a lot of extra  heat to the engine compartment, which is the last thing you need. 
 
Stainless steel exhaust does create noise that some people say is not pleasant.  When I bought a new exhaust system for my '65 MGB I bought a mild steel one from Rimmer in the UK.  
 
 
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Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust




I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine.  The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.
 
Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or how to tell the difference.
 
I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if fit?
 
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Sun Sep 11 10:47:58 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2022 09:47:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Sep 11 22:03:39 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 04:03:39 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] totally random
Message-ID: <eb06c2fbfe1b4ec080e0b49ddf5b62c6@ranteer.com>

In the 1950s they planted a series of trees that spell Studebaker

They are still there

Go to google earth, and look up Studebaker trees, New Carlisle, In  46552
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 22:45:47 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 21:45:47 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Window crank
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEONo9fhU5Cc+VK817qig+aZbj_SfZVvobnK=m43gGTpxNg@mail.gmail.com>

I have broken the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up the
driver's side window.  Where is the best place to lubricate the mechanism?
Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to take the pressure
off the window crank?
Mike MacLean
69 MGB GT
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 05:14:44 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 07:14:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Window crank
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Hi Mike,
	It?s both adjustment and lubrication that will help.
	Once the door card is out of the way, you can see how the mechanism works. You can also see how the 50-year-old grease is acting more like adhesive than lubricant. 
	Here is a chance to ensure that the drain holes in the door are clear, then stuff the bottom with rags and use paint thinner or equivalent to clean all the joints, pivots, crank, gears and all the other little moving bits. 
	Have a look at the fit of the glass into the channels. If not about equal top and bottom, adjust the channel.  A bit of silicone spray in them will help, though be careful of overspray.
	Wind the glass up and down until you understand how this unlikely assembly of gears and parallelogram actually moves the glass, the weight of glass supported by the spring.
	Then a spot of oil on the winder?s shaft and the parallelogram pivots, and a little grease on the gears will do the trick. 
	I don?t know of any particular things to do other than clean, lubricate and adjust, though I can safely say that a couple of hours on this project will reward you with a window that is much easier to use.
Bob
 

> On Sep 14, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have broken the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up the driver's side window.  Where is the best place to lubricate the mechanism?  Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to take the pressure off the window crank?
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 05:45:32 2022
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Window crank
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Hello Mike, *et al.*,
   My '72 Tourer suffers with the same issue, if without the broken handle.
I pull up on the glass to ease the crank mechanism. But let me comment
further.
   I just addressed this same issue on my '71 Volvo 1800E. Here's how.
   Carefully remove the handles and the door panel. Take the upper trim bit
off first by removing the four screws. BTW, this is a good time to polish
the chrome bits at the ends. And yes, buy one of those plastic tools to pop
the attachment pins loose. They're genius. With the panel off and any vapor
barrier that still exists lifted away, access to the lock, latch and window
lift mechanism is pretty straight forward. Aside: If the vapor barrier is
missing or damaged, as happens with many PO's, a cheap shower curtain liner
cut to shape, makes an excellent replacement.
   With the panel and barrier off one can clean and lubricate the
mechanisms. With a crank handle back on, the lift mechanism can be run
through its range a number of times, cleaning and lubing as it goes. (Any
oil that drips down into the door will just serve as rustproofing. :-P)
   Feeling how easily the window now moves will tell you whether the glass
tracks are a problem. Visual inspection will reveal just how worn those
tracks might be. Also, keep in mind that POs have often been in our 50+
year old car doors and may have misaligned the tracks! Yeah, just another
thing to check.
   If the glass now moves smoothly, or adequately well, you've solved your
problem. For the glass tracks, worn or fresh, I wash them with SimpleGreen
both above the door top and the bits down in the door. Once dry, test the
glass motion. Better? I've even applied a little lubricant on the tracks
but oil can get messy. So can graphite but both help old tracks if applied
quite sparingly.
   Of course, the problem could be worse yet. The glass tracks could be
damaged beyond simple cleaning. When that is the case there is nothing for
it other than removal, cleaning the frames, and replacement. Moss, etc.,
sells new glass tracks and after proper adjustment and mechanism
lubrication, the glass will move as new!
   Worth adding that this is a good time to clean and lubricate the lock
and latch mechanisms. Adjustment may be needed too as wear or some
ham-fisted PO may have messed with these bits. A flush of WD40 into the
keyway will help too, if making a mess until it dries.
   Good luck! I've done this job a number of times on LBCs and LBOthers.
It's always rewarding, if a bit laborious. And now I'm about to do it again
on my '72.

Rick, '72 MGB Tourer, etc.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 1:19 AM Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have broken the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up the
> driver's side window.  Where is the best place to lubricate the mechanism?
> Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to take the pressure
> off the window crank?
> Mike MacLean
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Sep 14 09:04:24 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:04:24 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Window crank
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You can see if it is the runners or the mechanism by winding it half-way 
up, then seeing how easy it is to pull the glass up further by grasping 
it.? Because of the lost motion in the mechanism it should rise about an 
inch or so.? Then wind the handle further to 'catch up' the glass.? If 
the glass is easy to pull up then that is not the problem, and if the 
handle is stiff then the mechanism is the problem.? Or vice-versa.? Or 
both.? One cause of stiff glass is if the rear channel has been pushed 
too tightly onto the glass, slacken the channel fixing screws and ease 
it back a little.

PaulH.

On 14/09/2022 05:45, Michael MacLean wrote:
> I have broken the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up 
> the driver's side window.? Where is the best place to lubricate the 
> mechanism?? Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to 
> take the pressure off the window crank?
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
>

From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Sep 30 19:04:25 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Salvage title
Message-ID: <A574C05A-6A75-4CA2-9F63-B734F663A8C6@comporium.net>


My MGA was in a fire. Hagerty will let me buy the car back for about 1/3 the total payout. This will put the car as salvage. If I keep the car and restore the car to the status it was before the fire. How will the salvage title affect the value?
Should I let them keep the car and take the money?

1957 MGA 1500 rst
Tom Gunderson

Sent from my iPhone X



From mgbobh at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 19:43:37 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:43:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Salvage title
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Hi Tom,
	That?s terrible news.
	Generally speaking, a car that burns by itself can be salvaged/recovered and can be restored.   A car that is in a garage or barn fire may have its metal annealed, changing its strength.  An engineer can explain this better, but most owners of burned cars will stay away from one that was baked.  
	One would think that the salvage title would push down the value, but I have no direct knowledge.  One of the guys in our club owns a couple of cars, not MGs, that he has bought from insurance companies, repaired and repainted them, and has had good service from them.  He is a talented and experienced fellow.
	Do you have pictures of the car that you can share?
Bob


> On Sep 30, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> My MGA was in a fire. Hagerty will let me buy the car back for about 1/3 the total payout. This will put the car as salvage. If I keep the car and restore the car to the status it was before the fire. How will the salvage title affect the value?
> Should I let them keep the car and take the money?
> 
> 1957 MGA 1500 rst
> Tom Gunderson
> 
> Sent from my iPhone X
> 
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Sep 30 22:15:03 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Salvage title
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A salvage title definitely will hurt the value at auction. it just raises the question ?what happened to it?? and the answer can never be good.

But if you were planning to keep the car long term and don't mind doing the restoration work, and are satisfied there is no irreparable damage, then you might as well do it. You at least have a very good idea of what it will take, more so than you would if you went and bought a project car on the open market to replace it.

Let your heirs figure out how to deal with the salvage title?

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 	That?s terrible news.
> 	Generally speaking, a car that burns by itself can be salvaged/recovered and can be restored.   A car that is in a garage or barn fire may have its metal annealed, changing its strength.  An engineer can explain this better, but most owners of burned cars will stay away from one that was baked.  
> 	One would think that the salvage title would push down the value, but I have no direct knowledge.  One of the guys in our club owns a couple of cars, not MGs, that he has bought from insurance companies, repaired and repainted them, and has had good service from them.  He is a talented and experienced fellow.
> 	Do you have pictures of the car that you can share?
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net <mailto:thgun at comporium.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> My MGA was in a fire. Hagerty will let me buy the car back for about 1/3 the total payout. This will put the car as salvage. If I keep the car and restore the car to the status it was before the fire. How will the salvage title affect the value?
>> Should I let them keep the car and take the money?
>> 
>> 1957 MGA 1500 rst
>> Tom Gunderson
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone X
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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