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URL: From dave at ranteer.com Tue Jan 18 19:32:46 2022 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 02:32:46 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Message-ID: Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew that. Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don't work anymore but I haven't checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn. So - clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under the dash. I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com. Clearly I have to dive under the dashboard. Or could it be in the steering column assembly? anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check first? Thanks! wiring doesn't scare me at all; I'm looking forward to solving this. hope you can help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Jan 19 01:27:56 2022 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:27:56 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it only happened when you turned on the lights, after driving for a while, it sounds like the short could be on the lighting circuit.? The parking lights at the corners are fused and the flashers but not the headlights or the dash lights. I'd look into that first, the indicator fault could be down to the short dropping the voltage.? To protect the wiring from further damage I'd use something like an 21w flasher/indicator bulb in series with the supply and try the parking lights, panel light switch on and off.? If the test bulb lights up brightly the short is present, if dimly then not.? The test bulb will need to be in the brown circuit, so you will probably have to disconnect them at the solenoid. But if you drove home with the lights on and no smoke, then the short has gone ... until the next time. PaulH. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: > > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok > this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not > positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the > hood. No smoke in engine compartment.? Back of light switch was hot > but did not burn my finger. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 06:22:28 2022 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn. Blinkers are fused. I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work. Signal flasher is over passenger?s knees, or right side, and I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the steering wheel. Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for overdrive and fuel pump. Your fuses will give clues to the search for the problem. Bob > On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:32 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew that. > > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. > > Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don?t work anymore but I haven?t checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn. > > So ? clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under the dash. I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com. Clearly I have to dive under the dashboard. Or could it be in the steering column assembly? > > anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check first? > > Thanks! wiring doesn?t scare me at all; I?m looking forward to solving this. hope you can help. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Jan 19 07:38:07 2022 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:38:07 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ab8a649-2048-a93d-0677-d9395f411dff@virginmedia.com> Horns are always live fused from the factory - purple circuit from the fusebox, bottom fuse in the 4-fuse fusebox.? It also powers the console-mounted courtesy light, boot/hatch light, brake-test circuit, 'door open key in' buzzer, and lighter socket where fitted. If headlamps are fused then at the least it should be one per side (with relays), if not one per filament. PaulH. On 19/01/2022 13:22, Robert's New iPad wrote: > Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn. ? Blinkers are fused. > I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed > by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation > unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work. > Signal flasher is over passenger?s knees, or right side, and I recall > that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the > steering wheel. > Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I > installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for > overdrive and fuel pump. ?Your fuses will give clues to the search for > the problem. > > Bob > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Jan 19 12:13:11 2022 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:13:11 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01d80d68$9a25ad70$ce710850$@planet.nl> I had this problem as well. It was a short circuit between a gauge illumination wire connector and the heater control cable, which had become lose. This control cable is made of metal parts ? the inner and outer cables. This makes, that the cable is attached to ground connections ? beginning on the heater valve on the engine block. This circuit is unfused regrettably. So I had to replace a part of the wiring loom in the dashboard. Nasty job, but it is possible to be done in some hours. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs Namens Robert's New iPad Verzonden: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 14:22 Aan: dave northrup CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn. Blinkers are fused. I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work. Signal flasher is over passenger?s knees, or right side, and I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the steering wheel. Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for overdrive and fuel pump. Your fuses will give clues to the search for the problem. Bob On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:32 PM, dave northrup > wrote: Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew that. Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don?t work anymore but I haven?t checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn. So ? clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under the dash. I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com . Clearly I have to dive under the dashboard. Or could it be in the steering column assembly? anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check first? Thanks! wiring doesn?t scare me at all; I?m looking forward to solving this. hope you can help. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sat Jan 22 17:34:54 2022 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:34:54 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sun Jan 23 02:23:33 2022 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:23:33 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c19e952-a9d4-6392-dbc5-1c87916c0b75@virginmedia.com> In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted.? Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next. Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again.? With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present. PaulH. On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: > ? I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.? I cannot > get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.? Next > step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I > manually connect the wires. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Sun Jan 23 06:15:51 2022 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 08:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC3C71B-8B4F-493D-BC75-E57197FE31E2@gmail.com> Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, and cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service. Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ...... Bob > On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. > > We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. > > On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: > > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. 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URL: From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:22:49 2022 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1708542851.615507.1642976569596@mail.yahoo.com> I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. ?The quality is just so poor. ?12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days. ?I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up. ?A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew. 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230k miles. ?Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to retain it. Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. ?Supper poor quality, mechanically. Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch. ?I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. Good luck. On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Mgs mailing list submissions to ??? mgs at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? mgs-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? mgs-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) ? 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) ? 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) Worked on the car a little today.? discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense.? ? We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things.? I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.? I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.? Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. ? On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: ? Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. ? Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.? Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. ? In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted.? Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next. Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again.? With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present. PaulH. On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: ? I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.? I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.? Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. ? Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; ?it has been happy, and cool, ever since. ?Relays were installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service. ? Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. ?I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ......Bob On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: Worked on the car a little today.? discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense.? ? We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things.? I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.? I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.? Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. ? On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: ? Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. ? Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.? Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. ? _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Mon Jan 24 13:22:10 2022 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 20:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <1708542851.615507.1642976569596@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1708542851.615507.1642976569596@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00@ranteer.com> Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Parking lights work and headlights work in one position only. The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that works -------- Original message -------- From: Joel Martin Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. The quality is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days. I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up. A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew. 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to retain it. Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor quality, mechanically. Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch. I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. Good luck. On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Mgs mailing list submissions to mgs at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mgs-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at mgs-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Today's Topics: 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next. Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present. PaulH. On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, and cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service. Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ...... Bob On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup > wrote: Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 17:58:55 2022 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:58:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00@ranteer.com> References: <1708542851.615507.1642976569596@mail.yahoo.com> <92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <60816C0C-2BDE-442F-B5A9-214305D01A35@gmail.com> Forward toward the dashboard for high beams, back toward the wheel for low, then pull against the spring to flash high beams. Bob > On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:22 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Parking lights work and headlights work in one position only. > > The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that works > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joel Martin > Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 > > I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. The quality is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days. I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up. A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew. > > 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to retain it. > > Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor quality, mechanically. > > Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch. I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. > > Good luck. > > > > On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > > Send Mgs mailing list submissions to > mgs at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mgs-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mgs-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) > 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) > 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) > Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. > > > > We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. > > > > On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: > > > > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > > > > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger. > > > > In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next. > > Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present. > > PaulH. > >> On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: >> I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. >> >> >> > > Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality. > At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, and cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service. > Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ...... > Bob > > > On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: > >> Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that?s good, and makes sense. >> >> >> >> We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. >> >> >> >> On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: >> >> >> >> Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. >> >> >> >> Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. 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URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Jan 25 01:22:04 2022 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:22:04 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00@ranteer.com> References: <1708542851.615507.1642976569596@mail.yahoo.com> <92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <1eff7ad6-1458-4205-c1bf-942e1c85db6c@virginmedia.com> Er, which one - high or low :o) Forward is main beam, middle is dipped, pulled back is main beam flasher. It could be that the fault is in the wiring from the dip-switch out to he headlights and has damaged both the main switch (which is what you indicated previously) as well as the dip switch.? But only one beam working could be coincidental. How about the gauge lights and rheostat?? There are two types of rheostat - the original which seems to be of a printed-circuit type, and more recently a wire-wound type.? The former get damaged if there is a short in the gauge lights, they still work but dimmer than before and it has to be bypassed to see the difference.? The latter are more robust.? The former have a very smooth operation, the latter a bit scratchy. PaulH. On 24/01/2022 20:22, dave northrup wrote: > Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. ?Parking > lights work and headlights work in one position only. > > The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low?? Thats the one > that works > From allen.k.hess at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 12:21:33 2022 From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B95E75F-040D-41A2-A491-3C2C2269DC2C@gmail.com> I have a 71 and this sounds like the problem I had years ago. The high low beam switch contacts are brass and probably fifty years dirty. Take the plastic cover off and you may not need to remove the switch (don?t remember). I don?t think the contacts are enclosed, even so, I didn?t find it at all difficult. Use some 400 sandpaper and clean the contacts. Mine has been working for about 30 years. Allen Hess Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Parking lights work and headlights work in one position only. The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that works > On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:01 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?