From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Apr  1 04:48:31 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 06:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
Message-ID: <461795E5-A3B8-4539-8F41-3478AB6567D2@comporium.net>

Should I use lead to fill a 1/2 inch hole?

Sent from my iPhone X



From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Apr  1 05:15:25 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 12:15:25 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <461795E5-A3B8-4539-8F41-3478AB6567D2@comporium.net>
References: <461795E5-A3B8-4539-8F41-3478AB6567D2@comporium.net>
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I doubt that's the best, but where is it?

And do you mean 'boot' as in English English?? Aren't you in America?

On 01/04/2022 11:48, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
> Should I use lead to fill a 1/2 inch hole?
>
> Sent from my iPhone X
>
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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 05:28:36 2022
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 07:28:36 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <4e36cbbb-6377-a12d-3c54-b61fa5aa8659@virginmedia.com>
References: <461795E5-A3B8-4539-8F41-3478AB6567D2@comporium.net>
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LOL, many of us here in the New World use the 'English English' terms to
describe various parts of our cars.

Dan D
'76 B (also MINI Cooper and Tesla)
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 7:16 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
wrote:

> I doubt that's the best, but where is it?
>
> And do you mean 'boot' as in English English?  Aren't you in America?
>
> On 01/04/2022 11:48, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
> > Should I use lead to fill a 1/2 inch hole?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone X
> >
> >
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From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Apr  1 08:19:29 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:19:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+ki8Zw8-XpWMO2AaUKXNR26B7b-VZNzZCforVqi7yZnuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABxEc+ki8Zw8-XpWMO2AaUKXNR26B7b-VZNzZCforVqi7yZnuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA3FCC75-710A-4399-B461-ABD9DAB5D171@comporium.net>

The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I want to fill them.

Sent from my iPhone X


> On Apr 1, 2022, at 7:34 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> LOL, many of us here in the New World use the 'English English' terms to describe various parts of our cars. 
> 
> Dan D
> '76 B (also MINI Cooper and Tesla)
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 7:16 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> I doubt that's the best, but where is it?
>> 
>> And do you mean 'boot' as in English English?  Aren't you in America?
>> 
>> On 01/04/2022 11:48, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
>> > Should I use lead to fill a 1/2 inch hole?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone X
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Mgs at autox.team.net
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Apr  1 08:50:01 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <FA3FCC75-710A-4399-B461-ABD9DAB5D171@comporium.net>
References: <CABxEc+ki8Zw8-XpWMO2AaUKXNR26B7b-VZNzZCforVqi7yZnuw@mail.gmail.com>
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In that case for me I definitely wouldn't use lead.? If you want an 
'invisible' repair and the holes are nice and round then I'd probably 
use washers, shaped for any curve then the centre hole welded up.? Weld 
in, grind down, fill and flat.? More or less what I did when I filled in 
the aerial hole in a rear wing.

On 01/04/2022 15:19, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
> The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I 
> want to fill them.
>
>

From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Apr  1 09:24:51 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 11:24:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <3c8e9c05-add8-e81a-0822-36bcb6244fd6@virginmedia.com>
References: <3c8e9c05-add8-e81a-0822-36bcb6244fd6@virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>

The lid is aluminum.


Sent from my iPhone X


> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:50 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In that case for me I definitely wouldn't use lead.  If you want an 'invisible' repair and the holes are nice and round then I'd probably use washers, shaped for any curve then the centre hole welded up.  Weld in, grind down, fill and flat.  More or less what I did when I filled in the aerial hole in a rear wing.
> 
>> On 01/04/2022 15:19, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
>> The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I want to fill them.
>> 
>> 
> 



From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Apr  1 10:06:12 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>
References: <3c8e9c05-add8-e81a-0822-36bcb6244fd6@virginmedia.com>
 <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <53a74109a4ff463bbe45bc95d07c5c1a@ranteer.com>

I don't believe he specified what model MG.  MGA and very early MGB are aluminum; have no idea about spridgets.  later cars are steel.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Gunderson
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:25 AM
To: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
Cc: mglist <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hole in boot

The lid is aluminum.


Sent from my iPhone X


> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:50 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In that case for me I definitely wouldn't use lead.  If you want an 'invisible' repair and the holes are nice and round then I'd probably use washers, shaped for any curve then the centre hole welded up.  Weld in, grind down, fill and flat.  More or less what I did when I filled in the aerial hole in a rear wing.
> 
>> On 01/04/2022 15:19, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
>> The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I want to fill them.
>> 
>> 
> 


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From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Apr  1 10:48:17 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:48:17 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <53a74109a4ff463bbe45bc95d07c5c1a@ranteer.com>
References: <3c8e9c05-add8-e81a-0822-36bcb6244fd6@virginmedia.com>
 <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>
 <53a74109a4ff463bbe45bc95d07c5c1a@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <A8E5E76B-8910-49CA-B38B-DAC363E795FE@sonic.net>

In aluminum, it is going to need reinforcement on the inside. It might be a legitimate case for fiberglass. Filler is just going to crack and pop out as the metal flexes. TIG welding is possible but might warp the surface.

--
Max Heim
mvheim at sonic.net



> On Apr 1, 2022, at 9:06 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe he specified what model MG.  MGA and very early MGB are aluminum; have no idea about spridgets.  later cars are steel.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Thomas Gunderson
> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:25 AM
> To: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>>
> Cc: mglist <Mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:Mgs at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hole in boot
> 
> The lid is aluminum.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone X
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:50 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In that case for me I definitely wouldn't use lead.  If you want an 'invisible' repair and the holes are nice and round then I'd probably use washers, shaped for any curve then the centre hole welded up. Weld in, grind down, fill and flat.  More or less what I did when I filled in the aerial hole in a rear wing.
>> 
>>> On 01/04/2022 15:19, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
>>> The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I want to fill them.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 12:39:47 2022
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 14:39:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <A8E5E76B-8910-49CA-B38B-DAC363E795FE@sonic.net>
References: <3c8e9c05-add8-e81a-0822-36bcb6244fd6@virginmedia.com>
 <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>
 <53a74109a4ff463bbe45bc95d07c5c1a@ranteer.com>
 <A8E5E76B-8910-49CA-B38B-DAC363E795FE@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CABxEc+mxWi=kSE46vC240iQh5P2H9+ZXnrQa-E_k=yV2Ja4zPw@mail.gmail.com>

MGB's had aluminium boots? I thought only the bonnet was aluminium in the
early cars?

(Using British version of 'aluminum so Paul H knows what we're talking
about ;-)

Dan D
76B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:50 PM Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

> In aluminum, it is going to need reinforcement on the inside. It might be
> a legitimate case for fiberglass. Filler is just going to crack and pop out
> as the metal flexes. TIG welding is possible but might warp the surface.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim at sonic.net
>
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2022, at 9:06 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I don't believe he specified what model MG.  MGA and very early MGB are
> aluminum; have no idea about spridgets.  later cars are steel.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Gunderson
> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:25 AM
> To: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> Cc: mglist <Mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hole in boot
>
> The lid is aluminum.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone X
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:50 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?In that case for me I definitely wouldn't use lead.  If you want an
> 'invisible' repair and the holes are nice and round then I'd probably use
> washers, shaped for any curve then the centre hole welded up. Weld in,
> grind down, fill and flat.  More or less what I did when I filled in the
> aerial hole in a rear wing.
>
> On 01/04/2022 15:19, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
> The trunk lid has 4 holes that were used to mount a luggage rack. I want
> to fill them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sat Apr  2 01:59:11 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hole in boot
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+mxWi=kSE46vC240iQh5P2H9+ZXnrQa-E_k=yV2Ja4zPw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <E2DF4CFD-8791-43F8-87D6-8C34367FE263@comporium.net>
 <53a74109a4ff463bbe45bc95d07c5c1a@ranteer.com>
 <A8E5E76B-8910-49CA-B38B-DAC363E795FE@sonic.net>
 <CABxEc+mxWi=kSE46vC240iQh5P2H9+ZXnrQa-E_k=yV2Ja4zPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d4a154f-807a-80e0-07d7-3430200f06ea@virginmedia.com>

I certainly prefer 'aluminium' to 'alooominum' :o)

I must admit I jumped to 'MGB', and although you can get alloy skins for 
them now I've not seen anything to indicate they were originally, unlike 
'bonnets'.

You can weld aluminium, and braze steel to aluminium.? Depends how neat 
a job is needed on the inside after that.

PaulH.

On 01/04/2022 19:39, Dan DiBiase wrote:
> MGB's had aluminium boots? I thought only?the?bonnet was aluminium in 
> the early cars?
>
> (Using British version of 'aluminum so Paul H knows what we're talking 
> about ;-)
>

From thgun at comporium.net  Sat Apr  2 10:54:53 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:54:53 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA luggage rack
Message-ID: <8F8D6FC4-8D8B-442F-836D-EB3C8737DF22@comporium.net>


Will the MGA factory rack fit a 1970 MGB?
Sent from my iPhone X



From mvheim at sonic.net  Sat Apr  2 11:48:11 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:48:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA luggage rack
In-Reply-To: <8F8D6FC4-8D8B-442F-836D-EB3C8737DF22@comporium.net>
References: <8F8D6FC4-8D8B-442F-836D-EB3C8737DF22@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <DE7CDCED-C262-476C-959E-F236A13DF2C0@sonic.net>

Seems unlikely. The curvature of the boot lid is very different.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Will the MGA factory rack fit a 1970 MGB?
> Sent from my iPhone X
> 
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Apr  2 13:17:42 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:17:42 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA luggage rack
In-Reply-To: <8F8D6FC4-8D8B-442F-836D-EB3C8737DF22@comporium.net>
References: <8F8D6FC4-8D8B-442F-836D-EB3C8737DF22@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <997993e9c23745ef99c9afd4853e6045@ranteer.com>

I cannot say with 100% certainty, but the boot lids are very very different so it is extremely unlikely.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Gunderson
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 11:55 AM
To: mglist <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] MGA luggage rack


Will the MGA factory rack fit a 1970 MGB?
Sent from my iPhone X


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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 14:23:03 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:23:03 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOOP2BG7UZwtSTg-Ad7KmrsJVEebbwd4cnA1GGr8Aph4kg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a generic turn signal flasher unit for my 69 MGB GT?
Mike MacLean
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Apr 15 14:50:11 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 20:50:11 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher
In-Reply-To: <CAL4ZEOOP2BG7UZwtSTg-Ad7KmrsJVEebbwd4cnA1GGr8Aph4kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL4ZEOOP2BG7UZwtSTg-Ad7KmrsJVEebbwd4cnA1GGr8Aph4kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd4269e79ad842738dff1839c2a90792@ranteer.com>

Take your old unit to a flaps and get a digital one.  Then if you convert to LED?s, which you should (www.litezupp.com<http://www.litezupp.com>) you will be all set.  There are 2 and 3 tab units; not sure which you have.

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael MacLean
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 3:23 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher

Is there a generic turn signal flasher unit for my 69 MGB GT?
Mike MacLean
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 15:02:11 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 17:02:11 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher
In-Reply-To: <CAL4ZEOOP2BG7UZwtSTg-Ad7KmrsJVEebbwd4cnA1GGr8Aph4kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL4ZEOOP2BG7UZwtSTg-Ad7KmrsJVEebbwd4cnA1GGr8Aph4kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68BACCFB-0B77-4A1E-9128-3088BD97CF5B@gmail.com>

	Yes.
	Locate your original and determine if its two-wire or three-wire.  
	Some originals were rectangular, but they are all interchangeable if the wire count is the same.
Bob


> On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a generic turn signal flasher unit for my 69 MGB GT?
> Mike MacLean
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Apr 15 15:08:54 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher
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They are interchangeable either way, with a little effort. The 2-wire ones ground through the housing ? the 3-wire ones have a ground wire, that can easily be added if not present.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB



> On Apr 15, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 	Yes.
> 	Locate your original and determine if its two-wire or three-wire.  
> 	Some originals were rectangular, but they are all interchangeable if the wire count is the same.
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a generic turn signal flasher unit for my 69 MGB GT?
>> Mike MacLean

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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sat Apr 16 02:24:45 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 09:24:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Turn signal flasher
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The original 2-wire flasher units do not ground, they operate in series 
with the lamps.? The early 3-wire units don't ground either, the third 
terminal is for the dash tell-tales.? Only the later OEM 3-wire 
electronic units have a ground wire.? The apparent benefit of those 
3-wire is that they don't slow down as system voltage falls and 
connection resistances rise, which is why many fit them.? However both 
those problems are contributing to dim lamps, which is still the case 
with the 3-pin flasher units, fix the faults instead.

But this is a mine-field, many people confuse them with hazard flashers 
which are also 2-wire and 3-wire.? Hazard flashers will appear to work 
when used as a turn signal flasher but there is a delay after operating 
the switch before the lamps light, which is ... a hazard, as is not 
warning you when a corner bulb has failed, which both the original 2-pin 
and the later electronic 3-pin do. LED flasher lamps fall into the same 
category.

There are also modern cube-type 'universal' flasher units (they re not 
'digital' any more than the others are) and most of those should be 
avoided, some so-called LED flasher units need at least one filament 
bulb to work.

PaulH.

On 15/04/2022 22:08, Max Heim wrote:

They are interchangeable either way, with a little effort. The 2-wire 
ones ground through the housing ? the 3-wire ones have a ground wire, 
that can easily be added if not present.


From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 20:23:17 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:23:17 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOMzrSOwvA8S2K4-94djiB5UifQb9xvERy5EQfLi=ej2RA@mail.gmail.com>

Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I have
replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it audibly
makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I checked the
fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the front and
they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm kind of at
a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the dog park and
the just weren't working when I started the car back up.  Anything else I
can check here?
Mike MacLean
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sun Apr 17 03:23:16 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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Normally if the bulbs don't light the flasher unit won't click, and one 
of the common failure modes is the other way round i.e. they light but 
don't flash and there is no clicking.? One click or clicking on and off 
as if the flashers should be working?

Do you have a non-standard flasher unit?? I'm assuming so if you have 
LED flasher 'bulbs' at the rear as the standard and even the modern 
3-wire units won't work with those without additional resistors. ? Are 
the dash tell-tales lighting or flashing?? If you have a flasher unit 
capable of working with LED bulbs there are many types of those and they 
can cause all sorts of problems.

Your best bet is to bridge the green and light-green/brown wires at the 
flasher unit and see if the corners light then.? They won't flash but it 
will at least let you check the circuits out to the corners of the car 
and fix any faults with those.

PaulH.

On 17/04/2022 03:23, Michael MacLean wrote:
> Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.? I 
> have replaced the flasher unit.? I know it is getting power because it 
> audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.? I 
> checked the fuses, both are good.? I checked the incandescent bulbs in 
> the front and they were OK.? The rear turn signals are LED and quite 
> new.? I'm kind of at a loss here.? They were working when I stopped 
> the car at the dog park and the just weren't working when I started 
> the car back up.? Anything else I can check here?
> Mike MacLean
>
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 05:28:45 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 07:28:45 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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	A dog saboteur, perhaps? 
	I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if present, are earthing.
	Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.  
Bob


> On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.  Anything else I can check here?
> Mike MacLean
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 17:32:35 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOMMBrhH7258-Zqg10_UHpxOen3TZ3yYzf_4pZYRjPYL1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I
checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.  In the wiring
diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with a two fuse
unit.  In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin flasher unit and a
four fuse unit.  Looking at my car (a 69) it has a two pin flasher unit,
but the car has a two fuse block unit.  What the heck?
Mike MacLean
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 18:13:58 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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	Something you don?t know, unless you have owned the car since new, if if someone has messed with the wiring.  
	If you have two wires to the flasher and do not find an orphan wire up in there somewhere, that is what you have to work with. 
	Have you established that you have 12V to one of the wires on the flasher?  Paul said that the two-pin flasher is in series with the flashing signals, so 12V on one of them when the signal switch is right or left turning is required.
	While you are doing this work, ignition will be on, so be sure to disconnect one wire to the coil.
	Have you been able to establish that there is voltage to the signal sockets? 
Bob


> On Apr 17, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.  In the wiring diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with a two fuse unit.  In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin flasher unit and a four fuse unit.  Looking at my car (a 69) it has a two pin flasher unit, but the car has a two fuse block unit.  What the heck?
> Mike MacLean
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 18:31:02 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:31:02 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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I very much appreciate the help from the list with my turn signal problem.
This is to let you know, I think I know what the problem is.  After looking
at the wiring diagram in Rick Astley's book (MGB Electrical Systems) I
noticed the turn signals are wired through the hazard switch.  Just before
the turn signals quit I was showing a friend the dash.  I was showing him
what switches worked and which didn't.   One of the switches that has never
worked was the hazard switch.  I clicked it back and forth to show him.
Right after that the turn signals quit.  Until I looked at the wiring
diagram I did not put it together.  I just went out to the car to see if I
rocked the switch back and forth maybe the turn signals would start
working.  Instead the switch broke internally and refused to move.   It
lasted 52 years.  No complaints.  I have ordered a new switch from Moss.
We'll see if that fixes it.  I might even get hazard flashers out of it too.
Mike MacLean

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 4:32 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:

>         A dog saboteur, perhaps?
>         I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring
> that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if
> present, are earthing.
>         Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each
> fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with
> ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.
> Bob
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I
> have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it
> audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I
> checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the
> front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm
> kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the
> dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.
> Anything else I can check here?
> > Mike MacLean
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> >
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Sun Apr 17 20:38:22 2022
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:38:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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 I have only owned the car for a little over a year.? The car is a 1969 GT with a 1967 engine, no smog controls and a Weber carb.? To say the car had been messed with in it's 52 year life is probably and understatement.? This is nothing new to me since I have been around British cars since 1971 and have rebuilt and restored my share of them.? I also own two Austin Healeys also.? You always see the evidence of what past owners have done to keep the car working, improve the performance, etc.? This 1969 MGB GT is no exception.? I am sure the wiring has been modified in in form or another during it's long service.? Having said that, it still holds when something like this goes wrong with a system of the car that had been working great for a long time, it is usually something simple that is the culprit.? Given enough time and curiosity, it will reveal itself.? I'll find it and I will let the list know when I do.? Thanks again for the constructive input, it is not ignored.Mike MacLean

    On Sunday, April 17, 2022, 05:15:30 PM PDT, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 ??? Something you don?t know, unless you have owned the car since new, if if someone has messed with the wiring.? 
??? If you have two wires to the flasher and do not find an orphan wire up in there somewhere, that is what you have to work with. 
??? Have you established that you have 12V to one of the wires on the flasher?? Paul said that the two-pin flasher is in series with the flashing signals, so 12V on one of them when the signal switch is right or left turning is required.
??? While you are doing this work, ignition will be on, so be sure to disconnect one wire to the coil.
??? Have you been able to establish that there is voltage to the signal sockets? 
Bob


> On Apr 17, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.? In the wiring diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with a two fuse unit.? In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin flasher unit and a four fuse unit.? Looking at my car (a 69) it has a two pin flasher unit, but the car has a two fuse block unit.? What the heck?
> Mike MacLean
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Apr 18 01:57:08 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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The 3-pin flasher was only used on Mk1 cars but the 4-fuse fusebox 
didn't start until the 1970 model year.

The flasher unit should have 12v on the green and light-green/brown 
wires all the time the ignition is on, as well as the common contact of 
the indicator switch.? This lights the lamps as soon as the stalk is 
operated, then the turn flasher 'warms up', clicks and turns them off, 
then further clicks turn them on, off, on, off.? The hazard flasher 
works the other way round i.e. when first operating the switch nothing 
happens for a moment, then after a pause there is a click and the lamps 
light, then further clicks turn them off, on, off, on.

Where hazards were factory provided the 12v ignition feed to the turn 
flasher does go though that switch, and is disconnected when the hazards 
are switched on.? That's to prevent voltage feeding back through the 
turn flasher onto the ignition, including the fuel pump, when the 
ignition is off and the hazards on if the stalk has been left operated 
to one side or the other.? When rarely used the grease inside the 
hazard? switch goes hard and becomes an insulator rather than a 
lubricator, and can affect the hazard lights as well as the turn 
signals.? Sometimes flipping the witch back and fore can restore things, 
but in my case I had to open up the switch, dig out the old grease and 
replace with fresh, and it has been fine ever since.? The original UK 
rocker switches do lend themselves to doing that, can't speak for the 
American switches.

For me the puzzle is still why something was clicking when the lights 
weren't working.

PaulH.

On 18/04/2022 00:32, Michael MacLean wrote:
> I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I 
> checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.? In the 
> wiring diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with 
> a two fuse unit.? In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin 
> flasher unit and a four fuse unit.? Looking at my car (a 69) it has a 
> two pin flasher unit, but the car has a two fuse block unit.? What the 
> heck?
> Mike MacLean
>
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 04:23:45 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 03:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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Paul,
     Not being very well versed in the electronic side of these cars I
cannot dpeak to the single click out of the flasher when the stalk was
moved up or down while the lights did not work.  All I can say is the
lights stopped working when the hazard switch was rocked back and forth a
couple of times.  When I went out yesterday to work the switch again a few
times to see if it might clean off the contacts enough to work, the switch
physically broke up internally.  It jammed in one spot, broken.  It has to
be replaced in any case.  We'll see if the replacement from Moss will solve
the problem.
Mike MacLean

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:04 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> The 3-pin flasher was only used on Mk1 cars but the 4-fuse fusebox
> didn't start until the 1970 model year.
>
> The flasher unit should have 12v on the green and light-green/brown
> wires all the time the ignition is on, as well as the common contact of
> the indicator switch.  This lights the lamps as soon as the stalk is
> operated, then the turn flasher 'warms up', clicks and turns them off,
> then further clicks turn them on, off, on, off.  The hazard flasher
> works the other way round i.e. when first operating the switch nothing
> happens for a moment, then after a pause there is a click and the lamps
> light, then further clicks turn them off, on, off, on.
>
> Where hazards were factory provided the 12v ignition feed to the turn
> flasher does go though that switch, and is disconnected when the hazards
> are switched on.  That's to prevent voltage feeding back through the
> turn flasher onto the ignition, including the fuel pump, when the
> ignition is off and the hazards on if the stalk has been left operated
> to one side or the other.  When rarely used the grease inside the
> hazard  switch goes hard and becomes an insulator rather than a
> lubricator, and can affect the hazard lights as well as the turn
> signals.  Sometimes flipping the witch back and fore can restore things,
> but in my case I had to open up the switch, dig out the old grease and
> replace with fresh, and it has been fine ever since.  The original UK
> rocker switches do lend themselves to doing that, can't speak for the
> American switches.
>
> For me the puzzle is still why something was clicking when the lights
> weren't working.
>
> PaulH.
>
> On 18/04/2022 00:32, Michael MacLean wrote:
> > I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I
> > checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.  In the
> > wiring diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with
> > a two fuse unit.  In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin
> > flasher unit and a four fuse unit.  Looking at my car (a 69) it has a
> > two pin flasher unit, but the car has a two fuse block unit.  What the
> > heck?
> > Mike MacLean
> >
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> >
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Apr 18 07:54:47 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 14:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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In the meantime you can link the two greens that were on the broken 
switch and see if the flashers then work.? If so then the new switch 
should fix it.? If not ... then it's something else. With the two greens 
still linked check for 12v on both, and on both side of the flasher 
unit.? That will probably lead you to the fault, but if not also check 
to see if you have 12v on the green/white and green/red when the 
indicator switch is operated first way then the other.? But I think a 
problem in that area is less likely.

PaulH.

On 18/04/2022 11:23, Michael MacLean wrote:
> Paul,
> ? ? ?Not being very well versed in the electronic side of these cars I 
> cannot dpeak to the single click out of the flasher when the stalk was 
> moved up or down while the lights did not work.? All I can say is the 
> lights stopped working when the hazard switch was rocked back and 
> forth a couple of times.? When I went out yesterday to work the switch 
> again a few times to see if it might clean off the contacts enough to 
> work, the switch physically broke up internally.? It jammed in one 
> spot, broken.? It has to be replaced in any case.? We'll see if the 
> replacement from Moss will solve the problem.
> Mike MacLean
>

From barrob at bell.net  Mon Apr 18 09:10:05 2022
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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Hello folks,

Naturally I am interested in the chat on wiring in the MGB but not on a 
"Oh that will help me" basis.?? When I built my MGB GT V8 I decided that 
a cutting-cost wiring loom was not for me.??? There is a bod who was the 
Triumph's electric systems designer who of course was restrained by 
costs.?? He was not happy with the end system but the bean counters 
were.?? So he designed a general purpose /point to point/ system that 
would work for any car.?? It had a central 'control board' with fuses 
and relays. So that went into my MGB GT V8 and yes it was more expensive 
than the bog standard loom with lots of fuses and relays - but oh what a 
neat system!!!?? While it makes the car non-standard it does result in 
an incredible electrics.? All my many fuses and relays fit up in the 
passenger foot well in the 'control board'. ?? I cannot find contact 
details of the system easily but if anyone is interested I will dig them 
up somehow.

Cheers
Barrie



On 4/17/2022 8:13 PM, Robert's New iPad wrote:
> 	Something you don?t know, unless you have owned the car since new, if if someone has messed with the wiring.
> 	If you have two wires to the flasher and do not find an orphan wire up in there somewhere, that is what you have to work with.
> 	Have you established that you have 12V to one of the wires on the flasher?  Paul said that the two-pin flasher is in series with the flashing signals, so 12V on one of them when the signal switch is right or left turning is required.
> 	While you are doing this work, ignition will be on, so be sure to disconnect one wire to the coil.
> 	Have you been able to establish that there is voltage to the signal sockets?
> Bob
>
>
>> On Apr 17, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Michael MacLean<springer.mike51 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. (nothing new) in trying to get my turn signals working I checked the wiring diagrams out for the early and late MGs.  In the wiring diagram for the early cars it shows a 3 pin flasher relay with a two fuse unit.  In the late MG wiring diagram it shows a two pin flasher unit and a four fuse unit.  Looking at my car (a 69) it has a two pin flasher unit, but the car has a two fuse block unit.  What the heck?
>> Mike MacLean
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Apr 18 09:21:27 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:21:27 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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Sounds like the Advance Autowire system 
http://www.advanceautowire.com/.? I've never found the need for anything 
like that.

On 18/04/2022 16:10, Barrie Robinson wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> Naturally I am interested in the chat on wiring in the MGB but not on 
> a "Oh that will help me" basis.?? When I built my MGB GT V8 I decided 
> that a cutting-cost wiring loom was not for me. There is a bod who was 
> the Triumph's electric systems designer who of course was restrained 
> by costs.?? He was not happy with the end system but the bean counters 
> were.?? So he designed a general purpose /point to point/ system that 
> would work for any car.?? It had a central 'control board' with fuses 
> and relays.?? So that went into my MGB GT V8 and yes it was more 
> expensive than the bog standard loom with lots of fuses and relays - 
> but oh what a neat system!!!?? While it makes the car non-standard it 
> does result in an incredible electrics.? All my many fuses and relays 
> fit up in the passenger foot well in the 'control board'. ?? I cannot 
> find contact details of the system easily but if anyone is interested 
> I will dig them up somehow.
>
> Cheers
> Barrie
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Apr 18 09:30:32 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:30:32 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Mix n Match
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If you want to do a really deep dive, and learn a tremendous amount about automotive electrical systems, before the digital era, build your own loom.

I did it on a 67 Datsun Roadster, which is very similar to the pre smog MGBs.  It took me untold amount of time, but if you want to really understand electrical systems, this will do it.  The learning curve was the biggest consumption of time.  I started by tracing each wiring system on a separate piece of paper.  That really helped me understand wiring.

Electrical systems are actually pretty simple once you get over that huge hump.  Power to fuse to switch to device to ground.  That?s it.  of course, finding the exact wire can be tough.

I ordered all the correct color wires (except for things like an electric fan which I added) from https://www.britishwiring.com and attempted to follow the wiring diagram as closely as I could.  Every single circuit has its own fuse.  Yes, I added a 12 fuse fusebox although I didn?t use them all.  Even  used the old style glass fuses.  Headlights, parking lights, blinkers, etc.  And every device has its own ground, each lamp, each item has a separate ground.  I used twist ties initially to hold the wires together, then tie wraps.  After all was thoroughly tested, I cut off the tie wraps and wrapped it in quality tape.  Looks and works great.  Absolutely no electrical problems since then.

And no, it doesn?t make sense from a cost or time perspective.  But wow do I understand the electrics on that car.

Now I?m doing an MGA, and seriously thought about doing the wiring on that car.  But I could not find any way to duplicate the loom wrapping.  So I bought an original looking harness.  But it will be easy to do!
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Apr 20 10:48:30 2022
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:48:30 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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The hazard switch in my 1971 BGT has been causing this issue from time to time.

Flipping this hazard switch several times helped to cure this till now. 

 

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Michael MacLean
Verzonden: Monday, 18 April 2022 02:31
Aan: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com>; mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] No Turn Signals

 

I very much appreciate the help from the list with my turn signal problem.  This is to let you know, I think I know what the problem is.  After looking at the wiring diagram in Rick Astley's book (MGB Electrical Systems) I noticed the turn signals are wired through the hazard switch.  Just before the turn signals quit I was showing a friend the dash.  I was showing him what switches worked and which didn't.   One of the switches that has never worked was the hazard switch.  I clicked it back and forth to show him.  Right after that the turn signals quit.  Until I looked at the wiring diagram I did not put it together.  I just went out to the car to see if I rocked the switch back and forth maybe the turn signals would start working.  Instead the switch broke internally and refused to move.   It lasted 52 years.  No complaints.  I have ordered a new switch from Moss.  We'll see if that fixes it.  I might even get hazard flashers out of it too.

Mike MacLean

 

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 4:32 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com <mailto:mgbobh at gmail.com> > wrote:

        A dog saboteur, perhaps? 
        I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if present, are earthing.
        Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.  
Bob


> On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com <mailto:springer.mike51 at gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.  Anything else I can check here?
> Mike MacLean
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 16:57:56 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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Hans,
     I tried flipping the switch afew times, but on the second flip the
switch broke up internally in pieces and jammed the rocker switch.  Won't
move in any direction now.  Just received a replacement switch from Moss
today.  Unfortunately it is made in China.  Hope it lasts more than a year.
Mike MacLean

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:

> The hazard switch in my 1971 BGT has been causing this issue from time to
> time.
>
> Flipping this hazard switch several times helped to cure this till now.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> 71 BGT
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *Michael MacLean
> *Verzonden:* Monday, 18 April 2022 02:31
> *Aan:* Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com>; mgs at autox.team.net
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
>
>
>
> I very much appreciate the help from the list with my turn signal
> problem.  This is to let you know, I think I know what the problem is.
> After looking at the wiring diagram in Rick Astley's book (MGB Electrical
> Systems) I noticed the turn signals are wired through the hazard switch.
> Just before the turn signals quit I was showing a friend the dash.  I was
> showing him what switches worked and which didn't.   One of the switches
> that has never worked was the hazard switch.  I clicked it back and forth
> to show him.  Right after that the turn signals quit.  Until I looked at
> the wiring diagram I did not put it together.  I just went out to the car
> to see if I rocked the switch back and forth maybe the turn signals would
> start working.  Instead the switch broke internally and refused to move.
>  It lasted 52 years.  No complaints.  I have ordered a new switch from
> Moss.  We'll see if that fixes it.  I might even get hazard flashers out of
> it too.
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 4:32 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         A dog saboteur, perhaps?
>         I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring
> that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if
> present, are earthing.
>         Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each
> fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with
> ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.
> Bob
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I
> have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it
> audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I
> checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the
> front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm
> kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the
> dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.
> Anything else I can check here?
> > Mike MacLean
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Mgs at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 18:52:20 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 17:52:20 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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Just to put an end to this thread, the turn signals work now.  I replaced
the hazard switch and like magic the turn signals started working again.
Added bonus, the hazard light work now too!  ( They never did since I have
owned this car over a year now)  I guess the switch was somewhat broken
from the start.  Just not broken enough to stop the turn signals. Woohoo!
Mike MacLean

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 9:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:

> The hazard switch in my 1971 BGT has been causing this issue from time to
> time.
>
> Flipping this hazard switch several times helped to cure this till now.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> 71 BGT
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *Michael MacLean
> *Verzonden:* Monday, 18 April 2022 02:31
> *Aan:* Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com>; mgs at autox.team.net
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
>
>
>
> I very much appreciate the help from the list with my turn signal
> problem.  This is to let you know, I think I know what the problem is.
> After looking at the wiring diagram in Rick Astley's book (MGB Electrical
> Systems) I noticed the turn signals are wired through the hazard switch.
> Just before the turn signals quit I was showing a friend the dash.  I was
> showing him what switches worked and which didn't.   One of the switches
> that has never worked was the hazard switch.  I clicked it back and forth
> to show him.  Right after that the turn signals quit.  Until I looked at
> the wiring diagram I did not put it together.  I just went out to the car
> to see if I rocked the switch back and forth maybe the turn signals would
> start working.  Instead the switch broke internally and refused to move.
>  It lasted 52 years.  No complaints.  I have ordered a new switch from
> Moss.  We'll see if that fixes it.  I might even get hazard flashers out of
> it too.
>
> Mike MacLean
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 4:32 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         A dog saboteur, perhaps?
>         I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring
> that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if
> present, are earthing.
>         Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each
> fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with
> ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.
> Bob
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I
> have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it
> audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I
> checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the
> front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm
> kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the
> dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.
> Anything else I can check here?
> > Mike MacLean
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Mgs at autox.team.net
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Apr 21 03:27:17 2022
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:27:17 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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What a pity Mike.

 

Most times such a switch begins to give issues, it is either dirt contaminated in the switch mechanism of lack of lubrication.

The hazard switch is hardly or impossible to dismantle without risk of breaking it down.

So I wish you luck with the Chinese variant. 

I have a Chinese variant of brake light switch installed last year.

I wonder how long that will last?

 

I was able to dismantle the fan switch, which was rock solid in one position when I bought the car.

As that is a safety test failure this had to be fixed anyway.

Dismantling went well. Applied a little grease to the moving parts and it still works after 24 years!

Beware for tiny bits falling out when dismantling the switch.

 

Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT

 

Van: Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> 
Verzonden: Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:58
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl; mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] No Turn Signals

 

Hans,

     I tried flipping the switch afew times, but on the second flip the switch broke up internally in pieces and jammed the rocker switch.  Won't move in any direction now.  Just received a replacement switch from Moss today.  Unfortunately it is made in China.  Hope it lasts more than a year.

Mike MacLean

 

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

The hazard switch in my 1971 BGT has been causing this issue from time to time.

Flipping this hazard switch several times helped to cure this till now. 

 

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] No Turn Signals

 

I very much appreciate the help from the list with my turn signal problem.  This is to let you know, I think I know what the problem is.  After looking at the wiring diagram in Rick Astley's book (MGB Electrical Systems) I noticed the turn signals are wired through the hazard switch.  Just before the turn signals quit I was showing a friend the dash.  I was showing him what switches worked and which didn't.   One of the switches that has never worked was the hazard switch.  I clicked it back and forth to show him.  Right after that the turn signals quit.  Until I looked at the wiring diagram I did not put it together.  I just went out to the car to see if I rocked the switch back and forth maybe the turn signals would start working.  Instead the switch broke internally and refused to move.   It lasted 52 years.  No complaints.  I have ordered a new switch from Moss.  We'll see if that fixes it.  I might even get hazard flashers out of it too.

Mike MacLean

 

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 4:32 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com <mailto:mgbobh at gmail.com> > wrote:

        A dog saboteur, perhaps? 
        I would start at the basics, cleaning bulb contacts and ensuring that power is getting to each filament.   Check that the earth wires, if present, are earthing.
        Then review the connections of wires to the fuses, and test each fuse is good by measuring power through it.  It?s possible to seem OK with ohmmeter yet have insufficient current to light the lights.  
Bob


> On Apr 16, 2022, at 10:23 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com <mailto:springer.mike51 at gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Last week the turn signals in the 69 MGB GT just stopped working.  I have replaced the flasher unit.  I know it is getting power because it audibly makes a clicking sound when I flip the turn signal stalk.  I checked the fuses, both are good.  I checked the incandescent bulbs in the front and they were OK.  The rear turn signals are LED and quite new.  I'm kind of at a loss here.  They were working when I stopped the car at the dog park and the just weren't working when I started the car back up.  Anything else I can check here?
> Mike MacLean
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Apr 21 04:25:25 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:25:25 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] No Turn Signals
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Doesn't have to be 'Chinese', Lucas green boxed items are no better 
unless you can get NOS.

Replacement hydraulic brake light switches have been bad for a long time 
now as internally they are completely different to the originals that 
had self-cleaning contacts.? When my roadster original failed after 
about 40 years the replacement lasted barely a year before the lights 
became intermittent and dim.? I got that replaced and have used a relay 
in the circuit ever since and no more problems.? Subsequently I fitted a 
mechanical switch to get the benefit of the lights coming on as soon as 
the pedal started moving instead of having to wait until pressure 
started building in the hydraulics.

However North American spec cars from Mk2 onwards used a mechanical 
switch on the pedal cover.? The only problem I've heard about with those 
is not being crimped together tightly enough and they spring apart, but 
only one report.? The contacts seem fine. RHD didn't get those until 
rubber bumpers, and my almost certainly original V8 item is still good 
(so far!) after nearly 50 years.

PaulH.

On 21/04/2022 10:27, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
> I have a Chinese variant of brake light switch installed last year.
>
> I wonder how long that will last?
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From jimray at hartcom.net  Thu Apr 21 12:56:20 2022
From: jimray at hartcom.net (jimray at hartcom.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can't get my
hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and
when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes.
Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires,
distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module
installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter.
The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load.
Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with
new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93
octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may
have.

 

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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Apr 21 13:34:23 2022
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:34:23 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can?t see how it would be electrical.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 11:58 AM, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
>  
> Jim Ray
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From barrob at bell.net  Thu Apr 21 16:59:28 2022
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 18:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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My bet would be a 'soft' blockage in the fuel line

Cheers
Barrie


On 4/21/2022 2:56 PM, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>
> Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get 
> my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting 
> up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several 
> minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the 
> plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a 
> PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The 
> battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 
> volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 
> 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line 
> at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane 
> non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
>
> Jim Ray
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Apr 22 01:32:08 2022
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:32:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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The initial problem sounds like insufficient enrichment when cold.? 
What's the tach doing - steady or jumping around?? Stalling from idle 
could be gross fuel starvation, i.e. the same problem, or could be 
flooding.? Immediately after it has stalled are the plug wet?? Dry?? 
Strong fuel smell or what?? In between starting and stalling will it rev up?

Take the fuel line off the carb, direct it into a container, and turn on 
the ignition.? An SU pump including on a factory V8 should deliver a 
minimum of one Imperial pint per minute and in practice double that in a 
continuous series of pulses with minimal bubbling.? I don't know if a 
Facet uses pulses or a steady stream.

On 21/04/2022 19:56, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>
> Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get 
> my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting 
> up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several 
> minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the 
> plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a 
> PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The 
> battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 
> volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 
> 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line 
> at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane 
> non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
>
> Jim Ray
>
>
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From springer.mike51 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 12:25:03 2022
From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 11:25:03 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk
Message-ID: <CAL4ZEOOhi5kDR+Q1ac5tUoKQowZfK27NJTe6-qXWAuNMQk9p1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Bought a new turn signal stalk for my 69 MGB GT because the one in the car
does not self cancel.  Turns out it is a little more difficult to replace
than I thought it would be.  To get the column cover off either the dash
comes out or the steering shaft comes out.  The turn signal stalk in the
car now works, but you have to remember to return it to center after the
turn.  It's  not like I am not used to that as I also own a 69 Bugeye with
the original three position lever switch for the turn signals. The Bugeye
has always been non-self canceling turn signals.  The MG sits outside in my
driveway because there are two Austin Healeys and a Harley Davidson in my
two car garage now.  Without garage space to work I don't like that much
disassembly in the driveway.  My HOA frowns on working on your car outside
of the garage anyway.  Guess I'll just have to remember to cancel the turn
signal in the MG for now.
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 14:28:09 2022
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 16:28:09 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk
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Mike,
	Rimmer Bros catalogue shows one cowling through GHN 3/4 and GHD 3/4, up to 1969, and another for GHN 5 and GHD 5, 1970-1974.    One notices that 1969 is not shown.
	I believe it?s the one for GHN GHD 5 that fits 1969. I know that it fits my 1972.  
	If yours is same as mine, it does come off w/o removing dash or column.  After all the screws are extracted, mine pushes toward the engine about 1/4 inch to disengage from the steering column, then the two pieces will come out individually.  
	Once you get visibility in there, R&R of the switch is easy enough.  If you also want to remove ignition and column lock, use a Dremel tool to slot the top of the breakaway ?security? screws that hold ignition & column lock on.
	Signal cancelling is done by that clip-on thing that some describe as Cam/Trip.  That bumps onto the two claws of the switch to cancel the signal. Once the new switch is in place, centre that Cam between the two claws.

	Boast of the Day ?. In only 3.5 hours, three of us changed windscreen in 1977 Tourer.  Previous windscreen, done two weeks ago, took four guys four hours.  It took only .00006 seconds for a rock to break the nearly-new glass.   A ratchet strap was a great time-saver when settling the rubber and the four metal pieces onto the glass. 
Bob


> On Apr 23, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Michael MacLean <springer.mike51 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bought a new turn signal stalk for my 69 MGB GT because the one in the car does not self cancel.  Turns out it is a little more difficult to replace than I thought it would be.  To get the column cover off either the dash comes out or the steering shaft comes out.  The turn signal stalk in the car now works, but you have to remember to return it to center after the turn.  It's  not like I am not used to that as I also own a 69 Bugeye with the original three position lever switch for the turn signals. The Bugeye has always been non-self canceling turn signals.  The MG sits outside in my driveway because there are two Austin Healeys and a Harley Davidson in my two car garage now.  Without garage space to work I don't like that much disassembly in the driveway.  My HOA frowns on working on your car outside of the garage anyway.  Guess I'll just have to remember to cancel the turn signal in the MG for now.
> Mike MacLean
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From rrutherf at ucalgary.ca  Thu Apr 21 13:36:33 2022
From: rrutherf at ucalgary.ca (Robert Rutherford)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 19:36:33 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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Coughs, spits, dies - sounds like Covid to me.

On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net<mailto:mvheim at sonic.net>> wrote:

[?EXTERNAL]


Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can?t see how it would be electrical.

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 21, 2022, at 11:58 AM, jimray at hartcom.net<mailto:jimray at hartcom.net> wrote:

?
Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.

Jim Ray


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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Fri Apr 22 05:42:08 2022
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:42:08 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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New fuel filter? 

Have carb cleaned.

Clogged jet(s)?

 

Cheers, Hans

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Barrie Robinson
Verzonden: Friday, 22 April 2022 00:59
Aan: jimray at hartcom.net; mgs at autox.team.net
CC: MGB-V8 at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying

 

My bet would be a 'soft' blockage in the fuel line

Cheers
Barrie



On 4/21/2022 2:56 PM, jimray at hartcom.net <mailto:jimray at hartcom.net>  wrote:

Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.

 

Jim Ray

 

 





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From difejo1 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 05:28:15 2022
From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 07:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Coughing, spitting, and dying
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Sounds like a fuel problem.  The Edelbrock 1404 is a simple carburetor to work on as it is a copy of the Carter AFB carb used since the 60?s.  Is your choke set properly when cold and hot?   The AFB used a mechanical fuel pump- make sure that facet pump you?re using has the correct fuel pressure for the AFB.  Also check your vacuum.  Is the vacuum reading steady or is the gauge needle fluctuating back and forth?   You may have a vacuum leak affecting fuel mixture.  When the engine is cold and the choke is on you have a rich mixture allowing the engine to run poorly.  Once the choke opens the mixture goes lean due to the vacuum leak possibly leading to your motor stalling.  

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> On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:10 PM, Robert Rutherford <rrutherf at ucalgary.ca> wrote:
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> ? Coughs, spits, dies - sounds like Covid to me.
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>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
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>>> Sounds more like a carb/fuel issue to me. Can?t see how it would be electrical.
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>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 11:58 AM, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
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>>> ?
>>> Have an 80 MGB V8 conversion that has developed a problem I can?t get my hands around. When cold it coughs and sputters when first starting up and when warm will not run at idle without stalling after several minutes. Thinking it might be an electrical issue, I replaced the plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, coil, and battery. It has a PerTronix Ignitor module installed which I did not replace. The battery shows 12.7 volts on my meter. The alternator is producing 14.6 volts at ~1500 RPMs and 14.3 under load. Fuel is fed to an Edelbrock 1404 carburetor via a Facet electric pump with new filters in the line at the pump and just before the carburetor. I use 93 octane non-ethanol gas. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have.
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>>> Jim Ray
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From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Apr 29 12:18:19 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:18:19 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Side curtans
Message-ID: <C5E1C549-3F74-4B46-B188-69FE30D8A04C@comporium.net>

Does anyone know about these frames. Well made. Anybody making the windows to cover them.
 
1957 MG rst 1500

Tom Gunderson

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From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Apr 29 12:50:50 2022
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Side curtans
References: <C5E1C549-3F74-4B46-B188-69FE30D8A04C@comporium.net>
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> Date: April 29, 2022 at 2:18:26 PM EDT
> To: mglist <Mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Side curtans
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> ?Does anyone know about these frames. Well made. Anybody making the windows to cover them.
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> 1957 MG rst 1500
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> Tom Gunderson
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