From markrob at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  1 06:18:14 2021
From: markrob at mindspring.com (Mark Robinson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor
In-Reply-To: <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
Message-ID: <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>

My new starter motor arrived. It looks like it will be a lot easier to 
get this one back in place.? Here are a couple of pics to show the 
difference in size.


https://www.mediafire.com/view/y8sxmfctchksp3x/DSCN3677.JPG/file

https://www.mediafire.com/view/1usnjxpgee8x1qs/DSCN3681.JPG/file





From mgbobh at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 06:51:59 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:51:59 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor
In-Reply-To: <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>

   Did you happen to weigh the two?   To judge by size, weight of the new one could be a bit over half that of original.
   Let us know how installation goes, and how the new device works.
Bob


> On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mark Robinson <markrob at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> My new starter motor arrived. It looks like it will be a lot easier to get this one back in place.  Here are a couple of pics to show the difference in size.
> 
> 
> https://www.mediafire.com/view/y8sxmfctchksp3x/DSCN3677.JPG/file
> 
> https://www.mediafire.com/view/1usnjxpgee8x1qs/DSCN3681.JPG/file
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Sep  1 06:36:50 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 13:36:50 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <D09A66643EB548D098657C36864E74F9@paul>

That's the geared type, very quiet as well as lighter, faster cranking and 
less battery load.  They don't usually have the solenoid bypass terminal for 
ballasted ignition systems (assumed as yours is a 75).  With less load on 
the battery i.e. more cranking voltage it probably won't need it, but there 
are several ways to retrofit it.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

My new starter motor arrived. It looks like it will be a lot easier to
get this one back in place. Here are a couple of pics to show the
difference in size.


https://www.mediafire.com/view/y8sxmfctchksp3x/DSCN3677.JPG/file

https://www.mediafire.com/view/1usnjxpgee8x1qs/DSCN3681.JPG/file



From markrob at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  1 08:13:02 2021
From: markrob at mindspring.com (Mark Robinson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:13:02 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor
In-Reply-To: <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>

I will weigh them tomorrow and report back.

Paul..the new motor? comes with a y control cable going to one spade 
connector on the new motor.? One wire (red)? has a diode? which supplies 
the 12v to the coil when cranking. It goes to the green white wire.? The 
diode prevents the ballasted 12v from the coil from backfeeding the 
starter motor solenoid. The other wire (black)? goes to the brown white 
starter relay wire.? It is described here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9TQYfliLI


Mark


On 01-Sep-21 8:51 AM, Robert's New iPad wrote:
>     Did you happen to weigh the two?   To judge by size, weight of the new one could be a bit over half that of original.
>     Let us know how installation goes, and how the new device works.
> Bob
>
>
>> On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mark Robinson <markrob at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> My new starter motor arrived. It looks like it will be a lot easier to get this one back in place.  Here are a couple of pics to show the difference in size.
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediafire.com/view/y8sxmfctchksp3x/DSCN3677.JPG/file
>>
>> https://www.mediafire.com/view/1usnjxpgee8x1qs/DSCN3681.JPG/file
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From markrob at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  1 08:16:28 2021
From: markrob at mindspring.com (Mark Robinson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Hydraulics
In-Reply-To: <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc004234-9b77-c3e8-092b-ea15a7d5d79d@mindspring.com>

I cut through the metal part of the clutch? flexible hose with a 4 inch 
cut off wheel just below the chassis bracket. I put a 6 point socket on 
the lower nut and an open wrench ended on the nut above the chassis 
bracket and used my impact driver. Unfortunately the open ended wrench 
slipped and? the steel pipe rotated and broke off. I don't think it was 
coming off anyway. At least I got the remains of the flexible hose off 
and the bracket is clear now.? It could have been a lot worse. I think 
the Kroil helped a lot. The threads look ok.


https://mossmotors.com/clutch-system

Removed 19. 21 and 22. Now to replace 33. I have to empty the garage and 
lower the MG. I will do that tomorrow when it won't rain on the stuff 
outside. I am glad the rusty stuff is removed. Nice to have the impact 
driver , 6 point sockets and powerful impact wrench. I used 20 mm 
sockets.Probably could have used an AF but 20mm fitted well

Mark


From markrob at mindspring.com  Wed Sep  1 08:28:33 2021
From: markrob at mindspring.com (Mark Robinson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:28:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor Weight
In-Reply-To: <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <84b03c58-62d8-905d-369d-c92248197953@mindspring.com>

I went out and weighed the two starter motors with an accurate set of 
A/C scales


1975 Original Lucas starter???? 15.910 pounds
WOSP LMS001???????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????? 8.130 pounds


From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Sep  1 08:40:49 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 15:40:49 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Starter Motor
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>

Yes, a diode is one of the ways of retaining the ballast bypass function, it 
prevents the solenoid shunting almost all the current away from the coil. 
Are the wires on that sub-harness bare-ended?  They look it, instead of 
putting female spade connectors there and making it plug-compatible.  I 
really don't like the style of their videos.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Paul..the new motor comes with a y control cable going to one spade 
> connector on the new motor. One wire (red) has a diode which supplies the 
> 12v to the coil when cranking. It goes to the green white wire. The diode 
> prevents the ballasted 12v from the coil from backfeeding the starter 
> motor solenoid. The other wire (black) goes to the brown white starter 
> relay wire. It is described here.


From markrob at mindspring.com  Thu Sep  2 07:21:00 2021
From: markrob at mindspring.com (Mark Robinson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 09:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Pipe
In-Reply-To: <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
 <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
Message-ID: <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>

I have the new 1/4 inch metal clutch hydraulic line bent and offered up. 
The pipe is about 6 or 9 inches too long. I am going to cut it back and 
reflare it to get a proper fit.

Is there anything special about the flare angle, fitting etc that I 
should know ?? I haven't made brake pipes before.


thanks Mark

From mgbobh at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 08:28:15 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 10:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Pipe
In-Reply-To: <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
 <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
 <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <786DADB0-CD6D-47FC-B304-3E6DCA30D67F@gmail.com>

    I will defer to Paul?s expertise about this.
    The pipe I bought from Moss was spot-on for length.
     The flare used on UK cars may be different to that flare used in USA, and I believe that the flare used was changed during the 1970s.   Time for research.
Bob


> On Sep 2, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Mark Robinson <markrob at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> I have the new 1/4 inch metal clutch hydraulic line bent and offered up. The pipe is about 6 or 9 inches too long. I am going to cut it back and reflare it to get a proper fit.
> 
> Is there anything special about the flare angle, fitting etc that I should know ?  I haven't made brake pipes before.
> 
> 
> thanks Mark

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Sep  2 09:51:39 2021
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 10:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Hydraulics
In-Reply-To: <fc004234-9b77-c3e8-092b-ea15a7d5d79d@mindspring.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc004234-9b77-c3e8-092b-ea15a7d5d79d@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <787fe5ad-587f-e8c1-9ba4-e24bb088b23f@ktc.com>

Yikes!? Brute-force shade tree mechanic.

CR

On 9/1/2021 9:16 AM, Mark Robinson wrote:
> I cut through the metal part of the clutch? flexible hose with a 4 
> inch cut off wheel just below the chassis bracket. I put a 6 point 
> socket on the lower nut and an open wrench ended on the nut above the 
> chassis bracket and used my impact driver. Unfortunately the open 
> ended wrench slipped and? the steel pipe rotated and broke off. I 
> don't think it was coming off anyway. At least I got the remains of 
> the flexible hose off and the bracket is clear now.? It could have 
> been a lot worse. I think the Kroil helped a lot. The threads look ok.
>
>
> https://mossmotors.com/clutch-system
>
> Removed 19. 21 and 22. Now to replace 33. I have to empty the garage 
> and lower the MG. I will do that tomorrow when it won't rain on the 
> stuff outside. I am glad the rusty stuff is removed. Nice to have the 
> impact driver , 6 point sockets and powerful impact wrench. I used 20 
> mm sockets.Probably could have used an AF but 20mm fitted well
>
> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Sep  2 10:00:27 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Pipe
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
 <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
 <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>
 <786DADB0-CD6D-47FC-B304-3E6DCA30D67F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6E0C2070DE540CB985502AE1A099B3E@paul>

Indeed, there were two different flares for brake pipes at least.  I think I 
would be inclined to 'lose' the excess, or contact Moss.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
    The pipe I bought from Moss was spot-on for length.
     The flare used on UK cars may be different to that flare used in USA, 
and I believe that the flare used was changed during the 1970s.   Time for 
research.


From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Sep  3 10:10:42 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 09:10:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Pipe
In-Reply-To: <B6E0C2070DE540CB985502AE1A099B3E@paul>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
 <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
 <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>
 <786DADB0-CD6D-47FC-B304-3E6DCA30D67F@gmail.com>
 <B6E0C2070DE540CB985502AE1A099B3E@paul>
Message-ID: <E7C67A9C-37AA-4F9B-BD1E-F95088B347D2@sonic.net>

Why not just bend a neat strain relief loop?

--
Max Heim
mvheim at sonic.net



> On Sep 2, 2021, at 9:00 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Indeed, there were two different flares for brake pipes at least.  I think I would be inclined to 'lose' the excess, or contact Moss.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----    The pipe I bought from Moss was spot-on for length.
>    The flare used on UK cars may be different to that flare used in USA, and I believe that the flare used was changed during the 1970s.   Time for research.
> 


From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Sep  3 10:32:20 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 12:32:20 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1975 MGB Clutch Pipe
In-Reply-To: <E7C67A9C-37AA-4F9B-BD1E-F95088B347D2@sonic.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADENPx+D06AQI6lO2R9PWe4AQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
 <91dc4e70-b963-3d3b-53ef-a37ef8d24ee1@mindspring.com>
 <B54C8F133BE54018AE2ABAFB6FD1B926@paul>
 <f903e16d-8f17-da2a-195b-887f02cd4b38@mindspring.com>
 <C528BCD6-828C-4FC3-9523-93A469893FFF@gmail.com>
 <fc0da28e-1b66-5a1b-0edb-bb4c83f7fdef@mindspring.com>
 <8ABA910B9FE2487385E7683B8312C08B@paul>
 <4d34081e-4adf-33f7-8b2b-6880206b0d99@mindspring.com>
 <786DADB0-CD6D-47FC-B304-3E6DCA30D67F@gmail.com>
 <B6E0C2070DE540CB985502AE1A099B3E@paul>
 <E7C67A9C-37AA-4F9B-BD1E-F95088B347D2@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1630686765.5552.mgs@autox.team.net>


Someone has a problem with different length pipe and/or different 
flares.  All MGA (except Twin Cam) and all MGB use the same clutch 
pipe, clutch hose, and clutch slave cylinder and slave 
pushrod.  There was only one pipe length (but shorter for RHD) and 
only one flare type, never changed.

Some early production MGA had different slave cylinder with side 
input port and a banjo fitting, but the later cylinder can be 
installed and delete the banjo fitting.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 12:10 PM 9/3/2021, Max Heim wrote:
>Why not just bend a neat strain relief loop?
>--
>Max Heim
>mvheim at sonic.net


> > On Sep 2, 2021, at 9:00 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, there were two different flares for brake pipes at 
> least.  I think I would be inclined to 'lose' the excess, or contact Moss.
> >
> > PaulH.


> > ----- Original Message -----    The pipe I bought from Moss was 
> spot-on for length.
> >    The flare used on UK cars may be different to that flare used 
> in USA, and I believe that the flare used was changed during the 
> 1970s.   Time for research.
> > ....
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Sep  6 10:29:43 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 11:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
Message-ID: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>

I just picked this car up a week ago.  72 MGB which was clearly restored by
someone not that long ago.  The owner I purchased it from is not mechanical
at all and bought the car as is.

 

Moreso on the passenger side, the glass needs a little guidance or it hits
the side of the channel on the inside of the car when you try to roll it up.
if you guide it a little so it stays in the channel then it rolls up fine.
its just in the first 2 inches from bottom when you roll it up.

 

Here are some pics.  Not sure how clear or helpful they are.  All this is
accessible but I'm not sure what to do to fix it.  where/how do I adjust to
keep it in the channel those first 2 inchec?

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From dcouncill at karamursel.org  Mon Sep  6 11:55:18 2021
From: dcouncill at karamursel.org (David Councill)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
In-Reply-To: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <d2af9270-ed67-8ebd-f9ed-eb10437b2e1a@karamursel.org>

In those channels is a felt seal that hardens and disintegrates with age 
(so may be nonexistent).? Replacing those on both sides of the window as 
well as adjusting the channels (loosening the bolts and getting them 
lined up correctly) should take care of the situation most likely.

Moss Motors part 458-610, less than $12 USD for a pair.

David Councill

72 B, 64 B, 67 BGT

On 9/6/2021 9:29 AM, dave wrote:
>
> I just picked this car up a week ago.? 72 MGB which was clearly 
> restored by someone not that long ago. The owner I purchased it from 
> is not mechanical at all and bought the car as is.
>
> Moreso on the passenger side, the glass needs a little guidance or it 
> hits the side of the channel on the inside of the car when you try to 
> roll it up.? if you guide it a little so it stays in the channel then 
> it rolls up fine.? its just in the first 2 inches from bottom when you 
> roll it up.
>
> Here are some pics.? Not sure how clear or helpful they are.? All this 
> is accessible but I?m not sure what to do to fix it.? where/how do I 
> adjust to keep it in the channel those first 2 inchec?
>
>
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 12:19:50 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 14:19:50 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
In-Reply-To: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <F3EF1298-9458-4616-8115-CC51A1D208DB@gmail.com>

Hi Dave,
   I can not ascertain the cause of the problem from the pictures.  My experience has been that the glass must be snug enough in the guides so that it does not ?rock? as it moves vertically. 
  The front guide is part of the vent window assembly. This is set first, set so that the vent window closes uniformly against the windscreen.  Once that is set, the rear guide is adjusted to snug the glass just enough for smooth movement.
   Once these are set so that the glass moves smoothly, you can reduce the friction a bit by a few short shots of silicone in the fuzz of the guides.
   And, while the door is open, put a drop of oil on each of the many pivots in the parallelogram linkage, and the winder shaft, and a bit of white grease on the winder gears.
Bob


> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I just picked this car up a week ago.  72 MGB which was clearly restored by someone not that long ago.  The owner I purchased it from is not mechanical at all and bought the car as is.
>  
> Moreso on the passenger side, the glass needs a little guidance or it hits the side of the channel on the inside of the car when you try to roll it up.  if you guide it a little so it stays in the channel then it rolls up fine.  its just in the first 2 inches from bottom when you roll it up.
>  
> Here are some pics.  Not sure how clear or helpful they are.  All this is accessible but I?m not sure what to do to fix it.  where/how do I adjust to keep it in the channel those first 2 inchec?
> <20210906_105838.jpg>
> <20210906_105945.jpg>
> <20210906_105856.jpg>
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Mon Sep  6 12:46:29 2021
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 13:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
In-Reply-To: <F3EF1298-9458-4616-8115-CC51A1D208DB@gmail.com>
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
 <F3EF1298-9458-4616-8115-CC51A1D208DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dyVW0dM8fxy1LRXtSEpALPHNz7EgFxXKB8owneuvWoiDA@mail.gmail.com>

That's all good advice, especially the bit about aligning the vent window
first!

I have found that the 'fuzzy stuff' lining the tracks wears off after
decades of use, leaving behind just the rubber substrate. And rubber, doing
what it does best, created a lot of friction (traction?) on the glass edge.
New guide inserts are the only dependable longterm solution - and
fortunately they're cheap.

Installing and aligning the glass and lift mechanism can be a terrible
headache BUT if one follows the process described in the workshop manual,
the job becomes much easier. Been there, screwed that up. :-o

Rick, '72 B, etc.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 1:21 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>    I can not ascertain the cause of the problem from the pictures.  My
> experience has been that the glass must be snug enough in the guides so
> that it does not ?rock? as it moves vertically.
>   The front guide is part of the vent window assembly. This is set first,
> set so that the vent window closes uniformly against the windscreen.  Once
> that is set, the rear guide is adjusted to snug the glass just enough for
> smooth movement.
>    Once these are set so that the glass moves smoothly, you can reduce the
> friction a bit by a few short shots of silicone in the fuzz of the guides.
>    And, while the door is open, put a drop of oil on each of the many
> pivots in the parallelogram linkage, and the winder shaft, and a bit of
> white grease on the winder gears.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I just picked this car up a week ago.  72 MGB which was clearly restored
> by someone not that long ago.  The owner I purchased it from is not
> mechanical at all and bought the car as is.
>
>
>
> Moreso on the passenger side, the glass needs a little guidance or it hits
> the side of the channel on the inside of the car when you try to roll it
> up.  if you guide it a little so it stays in the channel then it rolls up
> fine.  its just in the first 2 inches from bottom when you roll it up.
>
>
>
> Here are some pics.  Not sure how clear or helpful they are.  All this is
> accessible but I?m not sure what to do to fix it.  where/how do I adjust to
> keep it in the channel those first 2 inchec?
>
> <20210906_105838.jpg>
>
> <20210906_105945.jpg>
>
> <20210906_105856.jpg>
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Sep  7 01:18:47 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
 <F3EF1298-9458-4616-8115-CC51A1D208DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E96C163353484C14864753E6C9CB7D3C@paul>

I second all of this with one exception.  I'm not aware of any alignment available for the quarter-light as the four bolts and screws pull it down onto the top of he door and forwards into the corner.  The only adjustment after that is at the bottom of the long leg to control how the Q/L tilts sideways to line up with the screen upright, which has little or no effect on the operation of the drop-glass.

The rear channel *is* adjustable, if it's not in close enough to the glass that could be allowing it to tilt and/or come out of the front channel, but if you press it in too far it makes the glass stiff to move.  Chewed Q/L channel runner is perhaps the most likely after that.

PaulH.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
     I can not ascertain the cause of the problem from the pictures.  My experience has been that the glass must be snug enough in the guides so that it does not ?rock? as it moves vertically. 
    The front guide is part of the vent window assembly. This is set first, set so that the vent window closes uniformly against the windscreen.  Once that is set, the rear guide is adjusted to snug the glass just enough for smooth movement.
     Once these are set so that the glass moves smoothly, you can reduce the friction a bit by a few short shots of silicone in the fuzz of the guides.
     And, while the door is open, put a drop of oil on each of the many pivots in the parallelogram linkage, and the winder shaft, and a bit of white grease on the winder gears.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Sep 14 16:48:37 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:48:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
In-Reply-To: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <007e01d7a9ba$a86743b0$f935cb10$@ranteer.com>

Thought I would update and maybe provide a little humor here.

 

The windows were not properly in the channel when rolled down.

 

Took the door panel off, lifted up the plastic moisture seal and was
prepared to follow the many hints I had been given.

 

Finally figured out - that angle piece at the bottom that holds the channel
and the window snug - when they restored the car both sides were put in
backwards, allowing slop and creating the problem!

 

Part #10 in this diagram:  https://mossmotors.com/door-window-fittings

 

Took us longer to get to it and put everything back than to actually fix it!

 

 

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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 17:07:13 2021
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 18:07:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
In-Reply-To: <007e01d7a9ba$a86743b0$f935cb10$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
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Nice story, Dave and not uncommon. Attached is a picture of my E-Type. The
PO installed the front bumper over-riders reversed. They should be
vertical, and will be once they are reversed.

Rick - '53 TD, '72 MGB, etc.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Sep 15 01:15:19 2021
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 09:15:19 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
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References: <000001d7a33c$669b0680$33d11380$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <001c01d7aa01$71237f80$536a7e80$@planet.nl>

Oh those darn DPO?s!

 

Hans 71 BGT

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2021 01:07
Aan: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
CC: mgs at autox.team.net List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows

 

Nice story, Dave and not uncommon. Attached is a picture of my E-Type. The PO installed the front bumper over-riders reversed. They should be vertical, and will be once they are reversed.

 

Rick - '53 TD, '72 MGB, etc.



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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Sep 15 11:21:36 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
Message-ID: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>

I've done this before, but its been a while.

 

Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a
72 MGB?

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From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Sep 15 11:46:08 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 10:46:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <814B21E5-2B81-4A73-8BBF-61DA48DE6743@sonic.net>

When all else fails, I read the shop manual.

But frankly, I?ve done this job so many times I can?t recall what it says, specifically. I just do it.


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:21 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve done this before, but its been a while.
>  
> Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a 72 MGB?
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From lrc at red4est.com  Wed Sep 15 13:16:36 2021
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <814B21E5-2B81-4A73-8BBF-61DA48DE6743@sonic.net>
References: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <2D8A21B1-29A9-43F6-92EB-EBE00D9C3804@red4est.com>

What is the goal of the job?  Engine rebuild? New clutch?

One step that isn?t in the shop manual but which can be very helpful is that before you undo any fasteners, take pictures of the area, then take pictures of the fasteners. This has saved my butt on a few occasions when I didn?t remember which was the 5/16x1 and which place was the 5/16x1-1/4 bolts.

My general procedure:

Disconnect the battery

Drain the radiator

If you?ll be disassembling the motor, drain the oil.

Disconnect the cables

Label and photograph any electrical connectors as I take them off.

Start at top and front disconnecting things as you go.

If you don?t like mess, put something to catch coolant and or oil as you pull things like the radiator.

If you have egg cartons or the like, they can be great for keeping bolts separate and organized as you go.
Sometimes it is handy to put fasteners back in the holes in the bulkhead so they are there when you need them.

I also like to clean all the fasteners and maybe chase the threads.  I?ll use one of my little parts dip cans for that then rinse off the bolts with B-12 spraying into the can.


> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> When all else fails, I read the shop manual.
> 
> But frankly, I?ve done this job so many times I can?t recall what it says, specifically. I just do it.
> 
> 
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:21 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve done this before, but its been a while.
>>  
>> Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a 72 MGB?
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 15 14:53:11 2021
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <2D8A21B1-29A9-43F6-92EB-EBE00D9C3804@red4est.com>
References: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <a3706129-349e-2a54-2e81-0ba203bc0ad6@cox.net>

I use a different parts system. I have a box of sandwich baggies, index 
cards, and something to write with. When I remove the fasteners, I label 
what they go to, and put them in a box. Since assembly is reverse order, 
the bags are in roughly the right order in the box.

My first go of this was in the '70s when I had long hair. The grocery 
clerk clearly assumed I was bagging weed.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

On 9/15/2021 12:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> What is the goal of the job?  Engine rebuild? New clutch?
>
> One step that isn?t in the shop manual but which can be very helpful is that before you undo any fasteners, take pictures of the area, then take pictures of the fasteners. This has saved my butt on a few occasions when I didn?t remember which was the 5/16x1 and which place was the 5/16x1-1/4 bolts.
>
> My general procedure:
>
> Disconnect the battery
>
> Drain the radiator
>
> If you?ll be disassembling the motor, drain the oil.
>
> Disconnect the cables
>
> Label and photograph any electrical connectors as I take them off.
>
> Start at top and front disconnecting things as you go.
>
> If you don?t like mess, put something to catch coolant and or oil as you pull things like the radiator.
>
> If you have egg cartons or the like, they can be great for keeping bolts separate and organized as you go.
> Sometimes it is handy to put fasteners back in the holes in the bulkhead so they are there when you need them.
>
> I also like to clean all the fasteners and maybe chase the threads.  I?ll use one of my little parts dip cans for that then rinse off the bolts with B-12 spraying into the can.
>
>
>> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>> When all else fails, I read the shop manual.
>>
>> But frankly, I?ve done this job so many times I can?t recall what it says, specifically. I just do it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:21 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I?ve done this before, but its been a while.
>>>   
>>> Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a 72 MGB?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Mgs at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 17:12:21 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:12:21 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
In-Reply-To: <000001d7aa56$24376b00$6ca64100$@ranteer.com>
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   The procedure in the green workshop manual is the one I use.
   It is written in paragraph text;  I type it out line by line, so I can check off what has been done.  Reassembly is the reverse of removal, of course, but working back up a list is far easier for me that sentence by sentence. 
   What has happened to require R&R of engine and gearbox in this prime driving season?
Bob


> On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:21 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve done this before, but its been a while.
>  
> Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a 72 MGB?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Sep 15 19:49:46 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
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Why am i doing this?This car had no reverse.? A week or so when i got it you could finagle it into reverse.? ?A few days later you could put it onto reverse if you turned off the engine.? ?Now it's darn near impossibleAnd, btw, gears 1-4 shift beautifully.? ?I even changed the oil,? which looked like honey coming out.? ?Since used trannies are so cheap I'm going to swap one out
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Sep 16 03:36:05 2021
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:36:05 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission
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LOL Max!

 

I did most of the work on the GT myself. Learning on the job since 1990.

After all these years I dare to work on other cars as well. 

2 weeks ago I replaced the front suspension arms of my wife?s Daihatsu Cuore daily driver.

Funny thing nowadays is, that the parts can be ordered at a webshop.

I just had to enter the registration number of the car at the website and I was guided to the correct parts pages of the particular car model and year type. So much easier nowadays.

 

Job was quite easy to do as well.

Just do it, but be careful when doing it.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Max Heim
Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2021 19:46
Aan: Mga List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] pulling engine and transmission

 

When all else fails, I read the shop manual.

 

But frankly, I?ve done this job so many times I can?t recall what it says, specifically. I just do it.

 

 

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On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:21 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

 

I?ve done this before, but its been a while.

 

Is there a good step by step out there for pulling the engine and tran on a 72 MGB?

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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 06:53:48 2021
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] '65 MGB Project For Sale
Message-ID: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all... I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to do anything
with the '65 B project I bought back in 2000, so will be listing it for
sale. Once I get all the pictures up somewhere, I'll come back with an
'official' post, but just wanted to get this out there. At this point in my
life, I'm looking to declutter our home (and garage) in preparation for a
move to FL in a couple of years. This project just ain't going to happen,
and I want to get my Tesla in the garage for the winter.

So, if you know anyone who might be interested, feel free to give them my
contact info. I will be posting pics of the car and all of the parts I've
collected over the years. The car is mostly disassembled (the body shell,
suspension, engine and trans and wiring harness are still in the car so
it's a roller). All of the parts are boxed and inventoried and it's 99.9%
complete. Probably looking to get somewhere around $1k for everything.

Thx,
Dan DiBiase
Dayton NJ USA
dan.dibiase at gmail.com
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From jimray at hartcom.net  Sun Sep 19 15:18:47 2021
From: jimray at hartcom.net (jimray at hartcom.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:18:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>

I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on
backorder (268-010) and doesn't know when they will have them in stock. The
unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt
pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a
fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.

 

I'm in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can't or don't
want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly
appreciated.

 

Jim

1980 MGB V8

 

Hartwell, GA

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From lrc at red4est.com  Sun Sep 19 18:40:11 2021
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:40:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Ramble to the Redwoods Sunday 26 September
Message-ID: <41798028-CCE9-4D02-9FA1-F9FD3AAF0EE3@red4est.com>

If you?re in the Bay Area, you might be interested in this event.

I just found out about a British car tour/show in my neighborhood.  I?m planning on helping a friend bring the 1960 Gazelle she just bought.  

The show is in Downtown Boulder Creek from 10AM-2PM next Sunday, 26 September.

Watsonville Tour starts at the Chevron Station parking lot located at the junction
of Highways 1 and 129 in Watsonville at 8:45 am. The Group Tour will depart at 9:15 am followed by the Rallye Tour at 9:30 am. The Group Tour will be led by a white Austin Healy 100M.
Los Gatos Tour starts at the parking lot behind Great Bear Coffee, 19 N Santa
Cruz Ave, Los Gatos, CA 95030 and departs at 8:50 am followed by the Rallye
Tour at 9:05 am.

Facebook Link:
https://www.facebook.com/events/historic-downtown-boulder-creek/ramble-to-the-redwoods-boulder-creek-santa-cruz-british-motorcar-club-car-show/116922517154133/

Nextdoor Link:
https://nextdoor.com/events/ca/boulder-creek/ramble-to-the-redwoods-boulder-creek-santa-cruz-british-motorcar-club-car-show-4053027

Santa Cruz British Motor Car Club:
http://santacruzbmc.org/

https://santacruzbmc.org/?post_type=tribe_events


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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 12:29:42 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 14:29:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <04EA7F15-F9DB-4637-9391-347D328EC7A5@gmail.com>

Have you tried looking locally?
 https://www.topnotchautomotivehartwell.com/Services/cat/axle-cv-joint-driveshaft-repair
Parts like that are not necessarily unique to MG or British. Decades ago I took a Triumph shaft to a shop and he said look, I can just make you a new one for what was a reasonable price back then. (Ok, so I just contradicted myself)
Allen
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 5:18 PM, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>  
> I?m in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can?t or don?t want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Jim
> 1980 MGB V8
>  
> Hartwell, GA
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Sep 20 12:46:38 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 11:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
Message-ID: <7F2296AE-08DB-4796-B58B-251C5F5C2E36@sonic.net>

You could try the MG Experience forum, and put a Wanted add in the Buy/Sell/Trade forum. A lot of cars get parted out there.

I was at a British car swap meet yesterday, but I hadn?t read your message yet.

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> On Sep 19, 2021, at 2:18 PM, <jimray at hartcom.net> <jimray at hartcom.net> wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>  
> I?m in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can?t or don?t want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Jim
> 1980 MGB V8
>  
> Hartwell, GA
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From lrc at red4est.com  Mon Sep 20 13:03:35 2021
From: lrc at red4est.com (lrc at red4est.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
Message-ID: <DB57A67E-7AD5-4118-BDDE-8E02EE89663A@red4est.com>

Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 

On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on
>backorder (268-010) and doesn't know when they will have them in stock. The
>unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt
>pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a
>fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>
> 
>
>I'm in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can't or don't
>want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly
>appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Jim
>
>1980 MGB V8
>
> 
>
>Hartwell, GA
>

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From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Sep 20 13:39:32 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <DB57A67E-7AD5-4118-BDDE-8E02EE89663A@red4est.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <1928B54C-758A-4F8B-9477-B66E0CA358BC@sonic.net>

Well, yeah, but then you just confuse the next owner. How will he know where to source his u-joint?

At least, that?s my response to a lot of ad hoc ?upgrades? ? it may be convenient for you, at this time, but it is not serving to "preserve the breed" (hifalutin phrase), and it may even be making you a dreaded PO.

It should be simple enough to find the bona fide article, and no modifications or technical expertise required.

--
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'66 MGB

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:03 PM, lrc at red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 
> 
> On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net <mailto:jimray at hartcom.net> wrote:
> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>  
> I?m in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can?t or don?t want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Jim
> 1980 MGB V8
>  
> Hartwell, GA
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From lrc at red4est.com  Mon Sep 20 14:05:16 2021
From: lrc at red4est.com (lrc at red4est.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:05:16 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <1928B54C-758A-4F8B-9477-B66E0CA358BC@sonic.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <94B17168-4096-41CF-B8DA-589908A02CF6@red4est.com>

He said it was a V8, in the US, it's very unlikely the car is stock.

On September 20, 2021 12:39:32 PM PDT, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>Well, yeah, but then you just confuse the next owner. How will he know where to source his u-joint?
>
>At least, that?s my response to a lot of ad hoc ?upgrades? ? it may be convenient for you, at this time, but it is not serving to "preserve the breed" (hifalutin phrase), and it may even be making you a dreaded PO.
>
>It should be simple enough to find the bona fide article, and no modifications or technical expertise required.
>
>--
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB
>
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:03 PM, lrc at red4est.com wrote:
>> 
>> Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 
>> 
>> On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net <mailto:jimray at hartcom.net> wrote:
>> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>>  
>> I?m in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can?t or don?t want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>  
>> Jim
>> 1980 MGB V8
>>  
>> Hartwell, GA
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From ejrussell61 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:10:07 2021
From: ejrussell61 at gmail.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 16:10:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 172, Issue 8
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Re:  [Mgs] Driveshaft flange

Try calling John Espositio at Quantum Mechanics.
https://www.quantumechanics.com/

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> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on
> backorder (268-010) and doesn't know when they will have them in stock. The
> unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt
> pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a
> fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>
>
>
> I'm in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can't or
> don't
> want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> 1980 MGB V8
>
>
>
> Hartwell, GA
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> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:40:11 -0700
> From: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Ramble to the Redwoods Sunday 26 September
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> If you?re in the Bay Area, you might be interested in this event.
>
> I just found out about a British car tour/show in my neighborhood.  I?m
> planning on helping a friend bring the 1960 Gazelle she just bought.
>
> The show is in Downtown Boulder Creek from 10AM-2PM next Sunday, 26
> September.
>
> Watsonville Tour starts at the Chevron Station parking lot located at the
> junction
> of Highways 1 and 129 in Watsonville at 8:45 am. The Group Tour will
> depart at 9:15 am followed by the Rallye Tour at 9:30 am. The Group Tour
> will be led by a white Austin Healy 100M.
> Los Gatos Tour starts at the parking lot behind Great Bear Coffee, 19 N
> Santa
> Cruz Ave, Los Gatos, CA 95030 and departs at 8:50 am followed by the Rallye
> Tour at 9:05 am.
>
> Facebook Link:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/historic-downtown-boulder-creek/ramble-to-the-redwoods-boulder-creek-santa-cruz-british-motorcar-club-car-show/116922517154133/
>
> Nextdoor Link:
>
> https://nextdoor.com/events/ca/boulder-creek/ramble-to-the-redwoods-boulder-creek-santa-cruz-british-motorcar-club-car-show-4053027
>
> Santa Cruz British Motor Car Club:
> http://santacruzbmc.org/
>
> https://santacruzbmc.org/?post_type=tribe_events
>
>
> --
> Larry Colen
> lrc at red4est.com
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Sep 20 15:58:02 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 14:58:02 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <94B17168-4096-41CF-B8DA-589908A02CF6@red4est.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Sorry, didn?t pick up on that detail. 

If that?s the case, then I wouldn?t expect the part to be carried by Moss, though?

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:05 PM, lrc at red4est.com wrote:
> 
> He said it was a V8, in the US, it's very unlikely the car is stock.
> 
> On September 20, 2021 12:39:32 PM PDT, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net <mailto:mvheim at sonic.net>> wrote:
> Well, yeah, but then you just confuse the next owner. How will he know where to source his u-joint?
> 
> At least, that?s my response to a lot of ad hoc ?upgrades? ? it may be convenient for you, at this time, but it is not serving to "preserve the breed" (hifalutin phrase), and it may even be making you a dreaded PO.
> 
> It should be simple enough to find the bona fide article, and no modifications or technical expertise required.
> 
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:03 PM, lrc at red4est.com <mailto:lrc at red4est.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 
>> 
>> On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net <mailto:jimray at hartcom.net> wrote:
>> I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>>  
>> I?m in the middle of finishing a drivetrain refurbishment and can?t or don?t want to wait for Moss to restock their supply. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>  
>> Jim
>> 1980 MGB V8
>>  
>> Hartwell, GA
>> -- 
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 04:31:45 2021
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB windows
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Sep 21 01:26:43 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 08:26:43 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <9F17C2926CF14A298542DC115597004A@paul>

The factory V8 had a 'beefier' propshaft, with bigger gearbox and axle drive flanges and UJs, same as the MGC.  But as this is almost certainly a conversion it depends on whether the converter fitted the bigger shaft or kept the original.  My 4-cylinder drive flange is 3 3/8" and the V8 3 7/8", with UJ bearing cups 15/16" and 1", so this looks like a 4-cylinder shaft.  Maybe time to beef it up if usage has wrecked the flange.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 


  On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
    I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Sep 21 08:43:36 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <9F17C2926CF14A298542DC115597004A@paul>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Some Datsun cars used the same U-joint but a 
slightly beefier end flange that is 
interchngeable.  Some people used to pick up th 
Datsn propshafts from a wrecking yard to use in 
their race cars with uprated ngines.  Sorry I don't recal what model.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MHGAguru.com


At 02:26 AM 9/21/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>???
>The factory V8 had a 'beefier' propshaft, with 
>bigger gearbox and axle drive flanges and UJs, 
>same as the MGC.  But as this is almost 
>certainly a conversion it depends on whether the 
>converter fitted the bigger shaft or kept the 
>original.  My 4-cylinder drive flange is 3 3/8" 
>and the V8 3 7/8", with UJ bearing cups 15/16" 
>and 1", so this looks like a 4-cylinder 
>shaft.  Maybe time to beef it up if usage has wrecked the flange.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>Parts is parts. that is something you'd should 
>be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for.


>On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, 
><mailto:jimray at hartcom.net>jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>
>I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 
>MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and 
>doesn???t know when they will have them in 
>stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 
>inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt 
>pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 
>but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Sep 21 12:26:31 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <20210921144557.C6CFDA0C67@autox.team.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <mailman.25.1632248845.5552.mgs@autox.team.net>

I just remembered, I think it was also the early 
Land Rovers, like Series 1 through Series 3 that 
had an MGA compatible propshaft with beefier knuckles.


At 09:43 AM 9/21/2021, Barney Gaylord wrote:
>Some Datsun cars used the same U-joint but a 
>slightly beefier end flange that is 
>interchngeable.  Some people used to pick up th 
>Datsn propshafts from a wrecking yard to use in 
>their race cars with uprated ngines.  Sorry I don't recal what model.
>
>Barney Gaylord
>1958 MGA with an attitude
>http://MHGAguru.com


>At 02:26 AM 9/21/2021, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>>???
>>The factory V8 had a 'beefier' propshaft, with 
>>bigger gearbox and axle drive flanges and UJs, 
>>same as the MGC.  But as this is almost 
>>certainly a conversion it depends on whether 
>>the converter fitted the bigger shaft or kept 
>>the original.  My 4-cylinder drive flange is 3 
>>3/8" and the V8 3 7/8", with UJ bearing cups 
>>15/16" and 1", so this looks like a 4-cylinder 
>>shaft.  Maybe time to beef it up if usage has wrecked the flange.
>>
>>PaulH.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>Parts is parts. that is something you'd should 
>>be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for.
>>On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, 
>><mailto:jimray at hartcom.net>jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>>
>>I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 
>>1980 MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) 
>>and doesn???t know when they will have them in 
>>stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 
>>inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt 
>>pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 
>>15/16 but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>>....
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From steve at shoyer.com  Tue Sep 21 13:38:42 2021
From: steve at shoyer.com (Steve Shoyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <9F17C2926CF14A298542DC115597004A@paul>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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I saw the Moss part 268-010 cross referenced to 7H3863 on a couple of websites. If that's correct, there's one on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324461346370? I couldn't tell from the photos of this is the beefier version or not, but a NOS part might be better than an aftermarket one. 

--Steve 

On Sep 21, 2021, 4:20 AM, at 4:20 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>The factory V8 had a 'beefier' propshaft, with bigger gearbox and axle
>drive flanges and UJs, same as the MGC.  But as this is almost
>certainly a conversion it depends on whether the converter fitted the
>bigger shaft or kept the original.  My 4-cylinder drive flange is 3
>3/8" and the V8 3 7/8", with UJ bearing cups 15/16" and 1", so this
>looks like a 4-cylinder shaft.  Maybe time to beef it up if usage has
>wrecked the flange.
>
>PaulH.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
>Parts is parts. that is something you'd should be able to find a
>crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for. 
>
>
>  On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 MGB. Moss has them on
>backorder (268-010) and doesn?t know when they will have them in stock.
>The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 inches in width and has a 3 inch
>o/c bolt pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 but this
>could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
>
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Sep 21 17:43:42 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:43:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
In-Reply-To: <cfc969e5-87a2-46a5-8942-6c0d148e3a54@shoyer.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAlUgQf2CYNQatWbhm+gpvMAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>
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Message-ID: <mailman.26.1632267841.5552.mgs@autox.team.net>

Looks like a good deal to me.  I paid $20 for one 
7 years ago, and Moss wants a lot more for it now (except out of stock).


At 02:38 PM 9/21/2021, Steve Shoyer wrote:
>I saw the Moss part 268-010 cross referenced to 
>7H3863 on a couple of websites. If that's 
>correct, there's one on eBay: 
><https://www.ebay.com/itm/324461346370>https://www.ebay.com/itm/324461346370? 
>I couldn't tell from the photos of this is the 
>beefier version or not, but a NOS part might be 
>better than an aftermarket one.
>....


>On Sep 21, 2021, at 4:20 AM, PaulHunt73 
><<mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>The factory V8 had a 'beefier' propshaft, with 
>bigger gearbox and axle drive flanges and UJs, 
>same as the MGC.  But as this is almost 
>certainly a conversion it depends on whether the 
>converter fitted the bigger shaft or kept the 
>original.  My 4-cylinder drive flange is 3 3/8" 
>and the V8 3 7/8", with UJ bearing cups 15/16" 
>and 1", so this looks like a 4-cylinder 
>shaft.  Maybe time to beef it up if usage has wrecked the flange.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Parts is parts. that is something you'd should 
>be able to find a crossover or maybe upgrade to a beefier u-joint for.


>On September 19, 2021 2:18:47 PM PDT, 
><mailto:jimray at hartcom.net>jimray at hartcom.net wrote:
>
>I am looking for a driveshaft flange for my 1980 
>MGB. Moss has them on backorder (268-010) and 
>doesn???t know when they will have them in 
>stock. The unit I am looking for is 3 - 9/16 
>inches in width and has a 3 inch o/c bolt 
>pattern. The u-joint opening appears to be 15/16 
>but this could be off a fraction or two because it is pretty beat-up.
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From jimray at hartcom.net  Wed Sep 22 08:38:13 2021
From: jimray at hartcom.net (jimray at hartcom.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:38:13 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Driveshaft flange
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOnhCsnYO9VEhp27PxMC6HQBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADyZWoClv8PQ4PkhLw6XbVgAQAAAAA=@hartcom.net>

I just wanted to thank all of you who responded to my request for help in
finding a driveshaft flange for my MGB V8 conversion. All of you had great
suggestions and one from Paul Osborne seems to have resulted in a solution.
Paul recommended British Auto Salvage (http://britishautosalvage.com) who
found one we think will work. It is slightly larger (1/8") in diameter but
has the correct bolt pattern and spacing so I'm keeping my fingers crossed
that is will work.

 

Again, thanks for everyone's input.

 

Jim

 

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From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Sep 26 05:12:03 2021
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Accelerator cable
Message-ID: <2D677843-17B9-4310-AD4E-C49570ED1E83@comporium.net>


My cable broke at the carb end. What cable should I replace it with?
1957 MGA 1500 rst
Tom Gunderson

Sent from my iPhone X



From lrc at red4est.com  Sun Sep 26 09:49:51 2021
From: lrc at red4est.com (lrc at red4est.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:49:51 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Accelerator cable
In-Reply-To: <2D677843-17B9-4310-AD4E-C49570ED1E83@comporium.net>
References: <2D677843-17B9-4310-AD4E-C49570ED1E83@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <CEAF050E-BB75-4991-BD61-CDC8779AEA7E@red4est.com>

I just use bicycle brake cables

On September 26, 2021 4:12:03 AM PDT, Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:
>
>My cable broke at the carb end. What cable should I replace it with?
>1957 MGA 1500 rst
>Tom Gunderson
>
>Sent from my iPhone X
>
>
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From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Sep 26 11:17:11 2021
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:17:11 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Accellerator spring
Message-ID: <6F29FDCF-B909-469F-9E26-16F249F552FF@comporium.net>


Where can I find the spring at the bottom of the carbs. It gives the tention to return the gas pedal.
Moss does not have it.

1957 MGA 1500 rst
Tom Gunderson
Sent from my iPhone X




From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sun Sep 26 11:27:23 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Accellerator spring
In-Reply-To: <6F29FDCF-B909-469F-9E26-16F249F552FF@comporium.net>
References: <6F29FDCF-B909-469F-9E26-16F249F552FF@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <DEEC1EBD-792C-4B4C-A8E6-9A64DA2E7FF2@gmail.com>

    Take the broken one to your hardware store and look in their boxes of inventory.  You will find one that will do the job, even if not idential.
    Another tack would be to see if the part number is used in MGBs, then check with Abingdon Spares, Northwest Imports and others.
    On last year?s TR Club British Reliability Run, the only part that failed on any of the 15 cars was a carb return spring for an owner-cobbled Weber in place of original Z-S.   The on-the-road repair was the spring from a pair of Vise-Grip pliars.  It?s a good spring?a year later, the MGB still has it.
Bob


> On Sep 26, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Where can I find the spring at the bottom of the carbs. It gives the tention to return the gas pedal.
> Moss does not have it.
> 
> 1957 MGA 1500 rst
> Tom Gunderson
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From cgmoog at optonline.net  Mon Sep 27 15:02:22 2021
From: cgmoog at optonline.net (Chris Moog)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 17:02:22 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc685ee7-1b75-74f0-f279-d2df05cebb0f@optonline.net>

Any reason for using a strangely modified car?

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected


From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Sep 27 15:14:58 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:14:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
In-Reply-To: <cc685ee7-1b75-74f0-f279-d2df05cebb0f@optonline.net>
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D60A34C2-59B8-4F75-B20F-E2E0492FE262@sonic.net>

Copyright infringement? Seems unlikely for a 40-year-old car made by a company that no longer exists.

Normally, I would guess that they just sent out a casting call for a cute roadster, and some enthusiastic owner offered up their dubiously modified example. But in this case it looks like the ?mods? were made in CGI, so it had to be the producers that wanted to disguise the car. Also, I find it hard to believe that anyone would or could alter the rear wheel arch in that manner ? I don't think you could get the wheel off.

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> On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Chris Moog <cgmoog at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Any reason for using a strangely modified car?
> 
> https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected
> 
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 15:26:57 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 17:26:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
In-Reply-To: <cc685ee7-1b75-74f0-f279-d2df05cebb0f@optonline.net>
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
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    This might be considered a ?personalised? car.  IBM is advertising ?personalised? service.
    Let?s hope their service is more attractive than the car.
Bob


> On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Chris Moog <cgmoog at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Any reason for using a strangely modified car?
> 
> https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected
> 
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Sep 27 15:45:32 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
In-Reply-To: <11AD2711-73AB-4587-8F30-504A09B74A26@gmail.com>
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <cc685ee7-1b75-74f0-f279-d2df05cebb0f@optonline.net>
 <11AD2711-73AB-4587-8F30-504A09B74A26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20DDE9DE-BFAC-4F08-A437-EB1A9DB96064@sonic.net>

Well, that?s plausible? although it is a bit of a stretch to expect the contemporary consumer to even recognize that the car has been ?personalized?. The only people to notice it were probably marque aficionados.


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> On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:26 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    This might be considered a ?personalised? car.  IBM is advertising ?personalised? service.
>    Let?s hope their service is more attractive than the car.
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Chris Moog <cgmoog at optonline.net <mailto:cgmoog at optonline.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Any reason for using a strangely modified car?
>> 
>> https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected
>> 
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From lundgren at byu.net  Mon Sep 27 18:52:33 2021
From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 18:52:33 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
In-Reply-To: <cc685ee7-1b75-74f0-f279-d2df05cebb0f@optonline.net>
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
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It was unexpected?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 3:06 PM Chris Moog <cgmoog at optonline.net> wrote:

> Any reason for using a strangely modified car?
>
> https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Sep 28 01:26:42 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:26:42 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
References: <CABxEc+mXoUayWkB=R+MOWACa+BSW3o0Fzp5SaYTg6a5obVmR5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DB35453CF5804D67BA228258B1ACDC95@paul>

Unlikely, anyone can submit their personally owned car for adverts or filmwork, and many ads use instantly recognisable cars where it is relevant to the subject.  'Modification' is usually done when the car in question is shown being damaged or as unreliable in some way, the owners of the marque (who do still exist) could sue for defamation.  On UK TV at least such cars are unrecognisable except to an enthusiast, either with CGI or stick-on panels.  There is current an ad for a breakdown company taking the mickey out of the market leader who as a 'transformer' character crushes what looks rather like an MGA underfoot on its way to arriving too late at a breakdown.  Haven't been able to find an online version of that.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Copyright infringement? Seems unlikely for a 40-year-old car made by a company that no longer exists.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue Sep 28 13:29:15 2021
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:29:15 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] IBM commercial
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Remember Tales of the Unexpected?

(by Roald Dahl)

Better stories

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Andrew Lundgren
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 september 2021 02:53
CC: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] IBM commercial

 

It was unexpected?

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 3:06 PM Chris Moog <cgmoog at optonline.net <mailto:cgmoog at optonline.net> > wrote:

Any reason for using a strangely modified car?

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qklF/ibm-unexpected

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From thgun at comporium.net  Wed Sep 29 16:38:26 2021
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Throttle cable
Message-ID: <04169E60-CCA0-40D6-8441-5C9D6363DF09@comporium.net>


Thanks to the guys that gave me insight on replacing my cable with a bike brake cable. Worked great. I went to a bike shop and the salesman did not wat to sell one to me because I was going to put it on my MGA. Not a bike. ?? He got the owner over and he sold it to me. 
 Now I want to replace the throttle return spring. I need to see a picture that shows the spring placement and the lower connection point. I think the last owner put the low spring connection point in the wrong location. The spring got extended because the lower point was under the front carb. 
Thanks guys,

Tom Gunderson
 1957 MGA 1500 rst

PS.. I talked to Moss and they gave me the wrong part number. Even when I gave him the location number in the Moss catalog and explained where the spring connected to the carb.

Sent from my iPhone X




From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Sep 29 21:30:33 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 23:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Throttle cable
In-Reply-To: <04169E60-CCA0-40D6-8441-5C9D6363DF09@comporium.net>
References: <04169E60-CCA0-40D6-8441-5C9D6363DF09@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.31.1632972641.5552.mgs@autox.team.net>

Tom,

It uses a little pear shape bracket on the throttle cable trunnion.
Then the larger bracket on the bottom stud of the rear carburetor.
See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/cb118.htm

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 06:38 PM 9/29/2021, Thomas Gunderson wrote:

>Thanks to the guys that gave me insight on replacing my cable with a 
>bike brake cable. Worked great. I went to a bike shop and the 
>salesman did not wat to sell one to me because I was going to put it 
>on my MGA. Not a bike. ?? He got the owner over and he sold it to me.
>  Now I want to replace the throttle return spring. I need to see a 
> picture that shows the spring placement and the lower connection 
> point. I think the last owner put the low spring connection point 
> in the wrong location. The spring got extended because the lower 
> point was under the front carb.
>Thanks guys,
>
>Tom Gunderson
>  1957 MGA 1500 rst
>
>PS.. I talked to Moss and they gave me the wrong part number. Even 
>when I gave him the location number in the Moss catalog and 
>explained where the spring connected to the carb.
>
>Sent from my iPhone X
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From thgun at comporium.net  Thu Sep 30 04:55:19 2021
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 06:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Throttle cable
In-Reply-To: <20210930033050292@smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net>
References: <20210930033050292@smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net>
Message-ID: <8477364C-C3DC-4B92-B78F-4201ACBC1B83@comporium.net>

Thanks Barney. That is the info I needed.

Tom

Sent from my iPhone X


> On Sep 29, 2021, at 11:30 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Tom,
> 
> It uses a little pear shape bracket on the throttle cable trunnion.
> Then the larger bracket on the bottom stud of the rear carburetor.
> See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/cb118.htm
> 
> Barney Gaylord
> 1958 MGA with an attitude
> http://MGAguru.com
> 
> 
> At 06:38 PM 9/29/2021, Thomas Gunderson wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to the guys that gave me insight on replacing my cable with a bike brake cable. Worked great. I went to a bike shop and the salesman did not wat to sell one to me because I was going to put it on my MGA. Not a bike. ?? He got the owner over and he sold it to me. 
>>  Now I want to replace the throttle return spring. I need to see a picture that shows the spring placement and the lower connection point. I think the last owner put the low spring connection point in the wrong location. The spring got extended because the lower point was under the front carb. 
>> Thanks guys,
>> 
>> Tom Gunderson
>>  1957 MGA 1500 rst
>> 
>> PS.. I talked to Moss and they gave me the wrong part number. Even when I gave him the location number in the Moss catalog and explained where the spring connected to the carb.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone X
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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 09:10:46 2021
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] '65 B Project Officially For Sale
Message-ID: <CABxEc+mLrkc1AmnGeArGnHpGTxjuuuP0DixxZKHqX52tcGeB+A@mail.gmail.com>

I posted a couple of weeks ago that I was going to be selling my '65 MGB
project, and I've had a chance to take pictures of everything as well as do
a write-up on the car. Everything is posted here -

https://dans65b.blogspot.com/2021/09/project-for-sale-dayton-nj.html

I'm asking $1500 for everything. The car is located in Dayton in Central
NJ.

Thx,
Dan D
'76B, '65B For Sale
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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