From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Thu Jul 1 09:11:10 2021 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:11:10 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump In-Reply-To: References: <9F9B4070439D4295AFBE2D4B308F81C0@paul>

<0AD1EE78-5C48-4308-BE82-20701CEDCF7E@gmail.com> <002101d768fc$278b0af0$76a120d0$@ranteer.com> <00a301d76c4e$9d197860$d74c6920$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <001501d76e8b$5327b660$f9772320$@planet.nl> I was in the USA several times doing MG things. Twice in the Boston area where I met several listers: In 2000: http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/hans_across_the_water.htm In 2006: http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm In 2012 in Colorado Springs ? no pictures on a site ? we made a tour along The Garden of the Gods. Amazing place to be with an amazing set of cars, my host drove my around in his white BGT and there were other beauties like Porsche 356, Triumph, a very nice Stingray convertible, several MGB?s. The tour ended in one of the guy?s garage, wherein he kept loads of classics like E-Type series 1 roadster, Nash Healy, Jaguar XK150 FHC, VW T1, Frogeye, TR4, MG TC and loads of motorbikes including rare Puch (I own 3 Puch mopeds), Z?ndapp, Jawa etc. But? I do nothing with a dingy. Cheers, Hans Van: Robert's New iPad Verzonden: dinsdag 29 juni 2021 00:20 Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl CC: dave ; mglist Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump He is in USA, though we would like to think the Flying Dutchman is you. Years ago, I sailed a two-person dinghy named Flying Dutchman. Nice boats, fast and fun. Bob On Jun 28, 2021, at 2:51 PM, > > wrote: Now, I wonder who this Flying Dutchman is! Not me! Cheers, Hans - mostly on wired wheels = 71 BGT, his race bike or one of his three seventies Puch mopeds Van: Mgs > Namens dave Verzonden: donderdag 24 juni 2021 15:24 Aan: 'mglist' > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump According to The Flying Dutchman, self styled water pump expert, the water pumps these days are crap. If you want real quality, have him rebuild one for you. it will last. http://water-pump-rebuilders.com/ Sadly, Racestorations in England makes a billet aluminum water pump for that other brand. Not for us. From: Mgs > On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:01 AM To: Osborne, Paul > Cc: mglist > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [EXT] Water Pump One imagines, seemingly foolishly, that the low production costs in a certain eastern nation would be so low that additional quality could be built included at an acceptable selling price. One is so often disappointed. Bob On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Osborne, Paul > wrote: Not to sure if I would complain about the price if I received a quality not have ing to return it 3 times to get a good one!!! Part. Why can?t we just get good part. Paul Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Dan DiBiase > wrote: Right. And if they were we'd be b*tching about the price! Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:51 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: I would never expect it to be. How much stuff like this is made in England these days, or America for that matter? ----- Original Message ----- Just received my new water pump for my 1969 MGB GT from Moss. Made in England, NOT! 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URL: From barrob at bell.net Sun Jul 4 10:31:34 2021 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 12:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Rear wing powered radio antenna Message-ID: <2a6732a6-d532-a464-f35d-00ad9d73bfb9@bell.net> Hello folks, I am looking for a powered radio antenna for the rear wing of my MGB GT - so it has to fit a 10" space maybe a fraction less.? I did get one before but it has died and a replacement I cannot find - HELP ! Barrie MGB GT V8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ccrobins at ktc.com Mon Jul 5 08:53:40 2021 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles Robinson) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Rear wing powered radio antenna In-Reply-To: <2a6732a6-d532-a464-f35d-00ad9d73bfb9@bell.net> References: <2a6732a6-d532-a464-f35d-00ad9d73bfb9@bell.net> Message-ID: <4f8c5e11-bc82-7b14-00f8-82d5ccd8c453@ktc.com> Try Ham Radio Outlet, they might have broadcast band unit that will work. CR On 7/4/2021 11:31 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Hello folks, > > I am looking for a powered radio antenna for the rear wing of my MGB > GT - so it has to fit a 10" space maybe a fraction less.? I did get > one before but it has died and a replacement I cannot find - HELP ! > > Barrie > MGB GT V8 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 15:32:33 2021 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Rear Chrome Badges Message-ID: Will someone please tell me how to replace the octagon MG chrome logo on the rear deck lid of my 1969 MGB GT? Half of the pins that take the speed nuts are deep behind the sheet metal frame of the rear hatch lid. I bought all new badging for this at great expense (it's the MGB GT letters that are expensive), but I have no access to some of the speed nuts. It looks like someone replaced these badges in the past because the pins that are hidden by inner sheet metal do not look to be held in by anything. Has anyone done this successfully besides the factory? Mike MacLean 1960 MGB GT 60 Bugeye Sprite 56 Austin Healey BN2 LeMans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From springer.mike51 at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 19:53:14 2021 From: springer.mike51 at gmail.com (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:53:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] GT Interior Panels Message-ID: Where can I get the small sheet metal screws and cup washers for the two interior panels on the GT hatch? Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Jul 6 01:24:47 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 08:24:47 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Rear Chrome Badges References: Message-ID: <9B6B1F50545847EFBDF8F94A7C203273@paul> I have the later one-piece badge that pushed into plastic sockets not the earlier multi-part badging, but isn't access via that panel for which you are asking about screws and cup-washers in your subsequent post? It looks to be in the same place as the later badge, and on my 75 at least the panel extends right across that area. In the UK at least the usual suspects for MGB parts have trim fitting kits with the screws and cup-washers. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Will someone please tell me how to replace the octagon MG chrome logo on the rear deck lid of my 1969 MGB GT? Half of the pins that take the speed nuts are deep behind the sheet metal frame of the rear hatch lid. I bought all new badging for this at great expense (it's the MGB GT letters that are expensive), but I have no access to some of the speed nuts. It looks like someone replaced these badges in the past because the pins that are hidden by inner sheet metal do not look to be held in by anything. Has anyone done this successfully besides the factory? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 04:49:10 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 06:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] GT Interior Panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B37CC8E-09F1-4F0E-B068-4C17BD13BDAC@gmail.com> Try the little boxes of specialty screws and washers at your hardware store. Chromed, oval-head screws and close-enough finishing washers are usually to be found in those little boxes and prices that are frightening, but you need only a few. Bob > On Jul 5, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Michael MacLean wrote: > > Where can I get the small sheet metal screws and cup washers for the two interior panels on the GT hatch? > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com From paul at ece.rochester.edu Tue Jul 6 13:00:48 2021 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 19:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Gasket Suggestions FuelTank Message-ID: Im replacing the fuel tank and sending unit. Cork or viton for the sending unit gasket?? I used cork for my B with not issues Paul > Paul Osborne > Department of Electrical and Computer Eng > University of Rochester > 201 Hopeman Building RC > Rochester NY 14627 > 585-275-5226 From barneymg at mgaguru.com Tue Jul 6 14:07:25 2021 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Gasket Suggestions FuelTank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cork works well. The holes for screws should be slightly snaller than the screws, so you have to push the screws through the holes in the cork. When tightened the cork wil constrict to seal the screw threads. Ne new Viton gaskets have oversize holes for the screws and will not seal on the screw threads. Moss sells half a dozen nylon washers for this hopiunt eh washers wil seal under the screw heads. That may work, but should be unnecessary if you jut use the factory prescribed cork gasket. At 03:00 PM 7/6/2021, Osborne, Paul wrote: >Im replacing the fuel tank and sending unit. Cork or viton for the >sending unit gasket?? I used cork for my B with not issues > >Paul > > > > Paul Osborne > > Department of Electrical and Computer Eng > > University of Rochester > > 201 Hopeman Building RC > > Rochester NY 14627 > > 585-275-5226 >.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wkilleffer at epbfi.com Fri Jul 9 15:47:12 2021 From: wkilleffer at epbfi.com (wkilleffer at epbfi.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mgs] Timing adjustment on an 18GK engine Message-ID: <930876428.52140663.1625867232877.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> Hello everyone, My car is a 1974 MGB with an 18GK engine and HS4 carbs. The evaporative loss control and anti-run on controls are connected. The smog pump has been removed and the ports are plugged. The distributor is a Pertronix unit I bought several years ago. It's equipped with vacuum advance, which is working. The mechanical advance is also freely working. Not too long ago, I read that these cars, even the high compression ones, should be able to run well on ethanol-free 87 octane. This caused no small debate on the local British car group on facebook, but the consensus seemed to be that those who used E0 87 were satisfied and didn't have any issues from it. My last fill-up had been ethanol-free 93, and I need not tell you that running E0 87 would be far preferable. It was time for a fill-up, so I filled at at a nearby station that seems to sell decent quality stuff. It appears to run well enough, but I have had a couple of issues come up where there was a low-speed but high load situation, like going up a short hill with a 15 mph speed limit. I could hear it pinging some. Downshifting will stop it, but that isn't always practical. So, I decided to check its timing. The Bentley manual and several online sources state that an 18GK is supposed to have its dynamic timing set to 16deg BTDC at 1500rpm. It's been a few years since I last set the timing, so I disconnected the vacuum advance and plugged the manifold port, and then got the car running smoothly at 1500rpm as indicated by the tach in the dash. It's all I have, so it'll have to do. I expected the timing to be too far advanced at that RPM, but if anything, it was slightly retarded. If 16deg is between the 20 and the 15, the car was currently set at around 12deg. I adjusted it to an indicated 16deg, re-checked the idle speed, checked the timing again, was satisfied, tightened the distributor clamp and shut off the engine. I haven't yet test driven it, though at idle it sounded smooth at maybe an indicated 800 or 850rpm. For all I know, it'll probably have a little more spring in its step, though it hasn't seemed sluggish lately. I try to drive it at least twice per week, so it's not sitting too often. Does anyone else run 87 in a high compression engine, or have I gone off on a fool's errand here? Thank you, -William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sat Jul 10 01:48:35 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 08:48:35 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Timing adjustment on an 18GK engine References: <930876428.52140663.1625867232877.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> Message-ID: <7C824746BCA64488BBB91A6353EA9EA7@paul> If you change to a lower octane then it is more likely to ping/pink, and this is more likely to happen in a high compression engine than a low. If you must use that fuel - is it cheaper? - just back the timing off until you can't hear pinking at any combination of throttle opening, revs and load. The factory specs on original fuel were conservative to take account of engine component tolerances and many engines can run more advance without problems and give better acceleration and cruising economy - BT, DT back in the day. Haynes agrees and says to run at full throttle between 30 and 50 in top gear and set the timing so that faint pinking can just be heard. For me that's too aggressive, like you I've had part-throttle pinking on hills that goes at full throttle, hence my modified recommendation. I also found that the change to unleaded increased the tendency to pink, so on this engine that never could run more advance than book on leaded has to be slightly retarded from book on unleaded. E5 hasn't made any difference, E10 will be arriving here this year but only in the lower of the two octanes usually available, so I will continue to use the higher in the roadster, and change to that in the 'low compression' V8. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- It appears to run well enough, but I have had a couple of issues come up where there was a low-speed but high load situation, like going up a short hill with a 15 mph speed limit. I could hear it pinging some. ... I expected the timing to be too far advanced at that RPM, but if anything, it was slightly retarded. ''' Does anyone else run 87 in a high compression engine, or have I gone off on a fool's errand here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 05:47:18 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 07:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Timing adjustment on an 18GK engine In-Reply-To: <930876428.52140663.1625867232877.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> References: <930876428.52140663.1625867232877.JavaMail.zimbra@epbfi.com> Message-ID: Hi WIlliam, There will be as many answers to your questions as there are readers, as there are many variables involved. It is my opinion that if the max advance, without vacuum connected, should be 32 degrees at 3500+. That is shared by many. Another of my opinions is that 10% alcohol makes no difference to the engine?s performance. One can read adverts in British periodicals of the 1950s and 1960s in which the brands advertise that they are better because of the alcohol. As to the fuel choice, that very much depends on where you are driving (hills, dales, flat country) and how you like to drive. The workshop manual was written years ago, so its timing specs may or may not be valid today. Fuels differ around the country, and certainly are quite different from those in 1974, so you end up selecting one that seems to work OK for you. It is said, also, that fuel blends differ regionally in USA. One ends up setting the timing to what keeps engine and driver happy. We know that pinging/pinking is hard on the engine. One should avoid that by down-shifting as needed, checking that the timing is not over-advanced, or by using higher-octane fuel. Mine is 1972 18V, home-market pistons, some cleanup of heads and ports, with HIF and distributor rebuilt by Advanced Distributors (Jeff Schlemmer). Max advance, w/o vacuum, is 32 degrees. I find that alternating tanks of 89 and 91 (sometimes the same pump shows 93) keeps it happy. We have some hills in CT, so I listen carefully at 2500 rpm. Over the course of a driving season, perhaps 4000 miles, the annual difference in cost of one fuel to another is slight. I try to err on the side of caution. Bob > On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:47 PM, wkilleffer at epbfi.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > My car is a 1974 MGB with an 18GK engine and HS4 carbs. The evaporative loss control and anti-run on controls are connected. The smog pump has been removed and the ports are plugged. The distributor is a Pertronix unit I bought several years ago. It's equipped with vacuum advance, which is working. The mechanical advance is also freely working. Not too long ago, I read that these cars, even the high compression ones, should be able to run well on ethanol-free 87 octane. This caused no small debate on the local British car group on facebook, but the consensus seemed to be that those who used E0 87 were satisfied and didn't have any issues from it. My last fill-up had been ethanol-free 93, and I need not tell you that running E0 87 would be far preferable. It was time for a fill-up, so I filled at at a nearby station that seems to sell decent quality stuff. > > It appears to run well enough, but I have had a couple of issues come up where there was a low-speed but high load situation, like going up a short hill with a 15 mph speed limit. I could hear it pinging some. Downshifting will stop it, but that isn't always practical. So, I decided to check its timing. The Bentley manual and several online sources state that an 18GK is supposed to have its dynamic timing set to 16deg BTDC at 1500rpm. It's been a few years since I last set the timing, so I disconnected the vacuum advance and plugged the manifold port, and then got the car running smoothly at 1500rpm as indicated by the tach in the dash. It's all I have, so it'll have to do. > > I expected the timing to be too far advanced at that RPM, but if anything, it was slightly retarded. If 16deg is between the 20 and the 15, the car was currently set at around 12deg. I adjusted it to an indicated 16deg, re-checked the idle speed, checked the timing again, was satisfied, tightened the distributor clamp and shut off the engine. I haven't yet test driven it, though at idle it sounded smooth at maybe an indicated 800 or 850rpm. For all I know, it'll probably have a little more spring in its step, though it hasn't seemed sluggish lately. I try to drive it at least twice per week, so it's not sitting too often. > > Does anyone else run 87 in a high compression engine, or have I gone off on a fool's errand here? > > Thank you, > -William > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Wed Jul 28 10:11:35 2021 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 12:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners Message-ID: Hello folks, This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door??? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes??? If you can I would appreciate photos. By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker.? Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!!?? But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel.?? Whew!!! Cheers Barrie MGB GT V8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Wed Jul 28 10:55:33 2021 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:55:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67E5BB07-C022-4355-BE81-192E9E388190@sonic.net> I am only familiar with Mk. I NA roadsters, but they have screws & cup washers all the way around the perimeter of the door panel, except where the top edge is trapped by the door cap. They don't have speakers. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 28, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > > Hello folks, > > This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. > > By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > MGB GT V8 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:03:58 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:03:58 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. These were twisted into slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags at any parts store. Bob > On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > > Hello folks, > > This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. > > By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > MGB GT V8 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcouncill at karamursel.org Wed Jul 28 12:43:40 2021 From: dcouncill at karamursel.org (D Councill) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:43:40 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54b37dda.AU8AADgNxsUAAAAAAAAAAAWZDQAAAAAAKtYAAAAAABbjogBhAaVf@mailjet.com> It depends on the panels ? the 70s MGs used the plastic clips and the door panels should have a place to insert the circular part of the clip. The clips are Moss item 226-670: https://mossmotors.com/clip-door-panel The 62-67 Mk1 MGs used the screws and caps. Granted the clips are not visible on the exterior of the panel when used, I like the screw design better as it makes it easier to remove the panels when needed. The clips may break during removal so I keep spares on hand for my 72B David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B From: Mgs On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:12 AM To: MGB List Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners Hello folks, This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! Cheers Barrie MGB GT V8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Wed Jul 28 12:53:03 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> We were at a resto mod shop that attached magnets to the door panels. Big magnets. Held them in pretty well From: Mgs On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:04 PM To: Barrie Robinson Cc: MGB List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. These were twisted into slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags at any parts store. Bob On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson > wrote: Hello folks, This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! Cheers Barrie MGB GT V8 _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Thu Jul 29 12:36:41 2021 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:36:41 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: <001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> References:

<001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <2fee2e4d-ef47-e4a7-01ab-7a5f46adbf36@bell.net> Hello Bob, I use magnets all over the place - even have a metal peg board at bench.?? But not sure about using for interior door panels -?? hmmmmm! Cheers Barrie On 7/28/2021 2:53 PM, dave wrote: > > We were at a resto mod shop that attached magnets to the door panels.? > Big magnets.? Held them in pretty well > > *From:* Mgs *On Behalf Of *Robert's New iPad > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:04 PM > *To:* Barrie Robinson > *Cc:* MGB List > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners > > ? ? At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, > replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. ?These were twisted into > slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed > through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. > > ? ? As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the > ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service > with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s > what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags > at any parts store. > > Bob > > > On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson > wrote: > > Hello folks, > > This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for > ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to > the door??? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door > latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at > the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other > interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. > > By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on > because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with > the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the > speaker.? Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!!?? But now the > speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel.?? Whew!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > MGB GT V8 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Fri Jul 30 07:05:48 2021 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 09:05:48 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: <001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> References:

<001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Hello Bob, Funny! thought I had replied already - damn computers !? But anyway I am not sure about magnets I will go to screws - will match the others on foot well panels? Cheers Barri On 7/28/2021 2:53 PM, dave wrote: > > We were at a resto mod shop that attached magnets to the door panels.? > Big magnets.? Held them in pretty well > > *From:* Mgs *On Behalf Of *Robert's New iPad > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:04 PM > *To:* Barrie Robinson > *Cc:* MGB List > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners > > ? ? At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, > replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. ?These were twisted into > slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed > through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. > > ? ? As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the > ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service > with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s > what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags > at any parts store. > > Bob > > > On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson > wrote: > > Hello folks, > > This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for > ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to > the door??? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door > latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at > the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other > interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. > > By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on > because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with > the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the > speaker.? Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!!?? But now the > speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel.?? Whew!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > MGB GT V8 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Fri Jul 30 10:49:18 2021 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 09:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References:

<001501d783e1$cc311d10$64935730$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Magnets and speakers might not be a good combination? -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > > Hello Bob, > > Funny! thought I had replied already - damn computers ! But anyway I am not sure about magnets I will go to screws - will match the others on foot well panels? > > Cheers > Barri > > On 7/28/2021 2:53 PM, dave wrote: >> We were at a resto mod shop that attached magnets to the door panels. Big magnets. Held them in pretty well >> >> From: Mgs

On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:04 PM >> To: Barrie Robinson >> Cc: MGB List >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners >> >> At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. These were twisted into slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. >> As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags at any parts store. >> Bob >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson > wrote: >> >> Hello folks, >> >> This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. >> >> By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! >> >> Cheers >> Barrie >> MGB GT V8 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 12:04:25 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:04:25 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners In-Reply-To: References:

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Message-ID: <13CA0CB1-F34A-4CF3-BE99-AB0E01141046@gmail.com> Probably not the best idea to use magnets in any application where they might possibly fall off and be ingested by a curious critter. I know of two dogs who have slurped up a couple of them and had their plumbing stuck together, requiring surgery. Bob > On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > Magnets and speakers might not be a good combination? > > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Jul 30, 2021, at 6:05 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> >> Hello Bob, >> >> Funny! thought I had replied already - damn computers ! But anyway I am not sure about magnets I will go to screws - will match the others on foot well panels? >> >> Cheers >> Barri >> >>> On 7/28/2021 2:53 PM, dave wrote: >>> We were at a resto mod shop that attached magnets to the door panels. Big magnets. Held them in pretty well >>> >>> From: Mgs On Behalf Of Robert's New iPad >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:04 PM >>> To: Barrie Robinson >>> Cc: MGB List >>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Door panel fasteners >>> >>> At some point, MG stopped using screws and finishing washers, replacing them with plastic push-fasteners. These were twisted into slots/openings on the unfinished side of door panels, then pushed through the plastic sheet and into holes in the door metal. >>> As the sound of panel removal was usually punctuated by the ?crack? of these things snapping off, many doors are now in service with no push-fasteners. They were pretty much generic items; if that?s what held your door panels on, you should be able to find them in bags at any parts store. >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>> >>> Hello folks, >>> >>> This sounds like a dumb question as I have had MGBs for ages......but what is the correct way of fixing the door panels to the door? Currently mine are held on by the window winder, door latch thingy, the recently installed loud speaker and nothing at the bottom. It should be the little screws and caps like other interior panels yes? If you can I would appreciate photos. >>> >>> By the bye, I have just spent an hour getting the panel back on because I could not get the speaker holding screws in line with the metal strap with 'holder clips' they put in to hold the speaker. Total fiddle and blind manouvers!!!!!! But now the speaker fasteners are in and they hold the panel. Whew!!! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Barrie >>> MGB GT V8 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: