From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Feb  1 11:18:56 2021
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:18:56 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Running hot
In-Reply-To: <000a01d6f802$8840a7d0$98c1f770$@planet.nl>
References: <09c58566-436a-4e58-a708-1a52f3dfa368.ref@email.android.com>
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 <000a01d6f802$8840a7d0$98c1f770$@planet.nl>
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I had a metal fan blade on my '69 B break loose at speed on the 
highway.? It punctured the radiator.? That's the only time the car ever 
stranded me.

CR

On 1/31/2021 12:54 PM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
> That's an interesting piece of information!
> So now I have to find an MG dealer, who can deliver me a plastic fan.
> My 1971 imported in 1990 to the Netherlands from California still has the
> metal blades...
> I once read a story of a broke metal fan blade protruding through the bonnet
> (hood).
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
> 71 BGT
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New iPad
> Verzonden: zondag 31 januari 2021 01:51
> Aan: rolindsay at yahoo.com
> CC: MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Running hot
>
>      In 1972, MG issued a service bulletin that said all the cars with metal
> fans should have them replaced by the dealer, at no cost, by the plastic
> fan.   When I came across the bulletin, a couple of years back, I bought a
> plastic fan and replaced the metal one.
>     Plastic fan seems to move more air and to be quieter too. As I always
> keep fan belt very loose, I found its lower weight reduced squeal when
> jabbing the throttle.
>     If the electric fan moves more air than the OEM metal one, why not remove
> the metal one?   Unless the two are moving air at exactly the same velocity,
> one fan will be interfering with the other, not enough to cause this
> overheating, but unnecessary.
> Bob
>
>
>> On Jan 30, 2021, at 7:04 PM, rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Is fan turning the right direction? I have heard about that but
>>> never seen it.
>>     I verified that the metal fan is mounted correctly. And verified that
> the electric fan that I mounted is blowing the right way (the second time I
> wired it :-).
> _______________________________________________
>
>

From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Feb  1 11:43:36 2021
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 10:43:36 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Running hot
In-Reply-To: <a8eca6ab-4322-3740-d65d-121b310f88fa@ktc.com>
References: <09c58566-436a-4e58-a708-1a52f3dfa368.ref@email.android.com>
 <09c58566-436a-4e58-a708-1a52f3dfa368@email.android.com>
 <BE6181F9-3136-4CAB-A1E8-440DACADEBAF@gmail.com>
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I have had a plastic fan blade break and puncture the radiator. I think this was rather a fringe case, however. Autopsy revealed the fan had a molding flaw ? there was large bubble in the plastic right at the base of the blade that broke off ? it only lasted 307 miles from new. Also, it is doubtful that the blade would have seriously damaged the radiator if it hadn?t become trapped in the radiator shroud. As it was, it acted as a kind of rotary hammer, which was too much for the 50+ year-old brass core.

Anyway, as for Rick?s problem, if it doesn?t involve a head gasket leak (as suggested), then I think that leaves serious blockage in the block somewhere. Possibly this could be located with a thermo gun. I have had to remove freeze plugs and break up deposits with a pick in an old iron block V8 before.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB



> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Charles Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:
> 
> I had a metal fan blade on my '69 B break loose at speed on the highway.  It punctured the radiator.  That's the only time the car ever stranded me.
> 
> CR
> 
> On 1/31/2021 12:54 PM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
>> That's an interesting piece of information!
>> So now I have to find an MG dealer, who can deliver me a plastic fan.
>> My 1971 imported in 1990 to the Netherlands from California still has the
>> metal blades...
>> I once read a story of a broke metal fan blade protruding through the bonnet
>> (hood).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>> 71 BGT
>> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New iPad
>> Verzonden: zondag 31 januari 2021 01:51
>> Aan: rolindsay at yahoo.com
>> CC: MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Running hot
>> 
>>     In 1972, MG issued a service bulletin that said all the cars with metal
>> fans should have them replaced by the dealer, at no cost, by the plastic
>> fan.   When I came across the bulletin, a couple of years back, I bought a
>> plastic fan and replaced the metal one.
>>    Plastic fan seems to move more air and to be quieter too. As I always
>> keep fan belt very loose, I found its lower weight reduced squeal when
>> jabbing the throttle.
>>    If the electric fan moves more air than the OEM metal one, why not remove
>> the metal one?   Unless the two are moving air at exactly the same velocity,
>> one fan will be interfering with the other, not enough to cause this
>> overheating, but unnecessary.
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2021, at 7:04 PM, rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is fan turning the right direction? I have heard about that but
>>>> never seen it.
>>>    I verified that the metal fan is mounted correctly. And verified that
>> the electric fan that I mounted is blowing the right way (the second time I
>> wired it :-).
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> 
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 21:46:01 2021
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 20:46:01 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Running hot
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Texas cooler plastic fans failed on big healeys.

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 10:24 AM Charles Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:

> I had a metal fan blade on my '69 B break loose at speed on the
> highway.  It punctured the radiator.  That's the only time the car ever
> stranded me.
>
> CR
>
> On 1/31/2021 12:54 PM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
> > That's an interesting piece of information!
> > So now I have to find an MG dealer, who can deliver me a plastic fan.
> > My 1971 imported in 1990 to the Netherlands from California still has the
> > metal blades...
> > I once read a story of a broke metal fan blade protruding through the
> bonnet
> > (hood).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Hans
> > 71 BGT
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New iPad
> > Verzonden: zondag 31 januari 2021 01:51
> > Aan: rolindsay at yahoo.com
> > CC: MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Running hot
> >
> >      In 1972, MG issued a service bulletin that said all the cars with
> metal
> > fans should have them replaced by the dealer, at no cost, by the plastic
> > fan.   When I came across the bulletin, a couple of years back, I bought
> a
> > plastic fan and replaced the metal one.
> >     Plastic fan seems to move more air and to be quieter too. As I always
> > keep fan belt very loose, I found its lower weight reduced squeal when
> > jabbing the throttle.
> >     If the electric fan moves more air than the OEM metal one, why not
> remove
> > the metal one?   Unless the two are moving air at exactly the same
> velocity,
> > one fan will be interfering with the other, not enough to cause this
> > overheating, but unnecessary.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 30, 2021, at 7:04 PM, rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is fan turning the right direction? I have heard about that but
> >>> never seen it.
> >>     I verified that the metal fan is mounted correctly. And verified
> that
> > the electric fan that I mounted is blowing the right way (the second
> time I
> > wired it :-).
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Feb  1 02:03:32 2021
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (Me @ Virgin Media)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:03:32 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Running hot
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Early plastic fans could get blades breaking off, they gained a metal insert to strengthen them.  Both had more blades for better cooling, but were noisier, and cars for Swizerland had to go back to the 3-blade metal

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----- Original Message -----That's an interesting piece of information! 
So now I have to find an MG dealer, who can deliver me a plastic fan.
My 1971 imported in 1990 to the Netherlands from California still has the
metal blades...
I once read a story of a broke metal fan blade protruding through the bonnet
(hood).

Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT

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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 05:49:56 2021
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 07:49:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Running hot
In-Reply-To: <1UYtvGjzZq.2CaBQApcH5N@ht-win>
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    Mine has metal inserts through which the securing bolts pass.   Is that indicative of the later fans?
    And I thought my plastic fan was quieter?not by db measurement, just by ear.  
    The metal fan is hanging, decoratively, in my garage.
Bob


> On Feb 1, 2021, at 4:03 AM, Me @ Virgin Media <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Early plastic fans could get blades breaking off, they gained a metal insert to strengthen them.  Both had more blades for better cooling, but were noisier, and cars for Swizerland had to go back to the 3-blade metal
> 
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> https://www.oeclassic.com/
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> 
> PaulH.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----That's an interesting piece of information! 
> So now I have to find an MG dealer, who can deliver me a plastic fan.
> My 1971 imported in 1990 to the Netherlands from California still has the
> metal blades...
> I once read a story of a broke metal fan blade protruding through the bonnet
> (hood).
> 
> Cheers,
> Hans
> 71 BGT
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Feb 17 07:56:58 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:56:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] cloth wiring tape
Message-ID: <000501d7053d$24dd0f10$6e972d30$@ranteer.com>

Has anyone found a source for cloth wiring tape with the yellow marks like
on MGA's?

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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 17 08:10:51 2021
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:10:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] cloth wiring tape
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Message-ID: <1750889004.2517560.1613574651901@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Talk with these guys. They don't list it on their site but they may redirect you...

http://www.britishwiring.com/default.asp     On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 08:57:45 AM CST, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
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Has anyone found a source for cloth wiring tape with the yellow marks like on MGA?s?
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Feb 17 18:22:23 2021
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 20:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] cloth wiring tape
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Pretty sure alll MGA had cloth braid covered harness.  Early cars had 
black rubber insulated wires with color coded cloth braid on each 
wire.  Later production cars had PVC insulated wires with the color 
code molded into the plastic insulation.  All of them were them had 
the outer cover woven on outside with the yellow stripes wovwn into 
the cloth.  Never was any kind of tape wrap with stripes as original 
(not cloth or plastic).


At 09:56 AM 2/17/2021, dave wrote:
>....
>Has anyone found a source for cloth wiring tape with the yellow 
>marks like on MGA's?
>....


From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Feb 25 04:52:31 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:52:31 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reno
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1614253954.2736.mgs@autox.team.net>

Anyone in the Reno, NV area?? I'll be there this weekend and would like to visit
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