From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Dec 1 01:35:28 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 08:35:28 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 1973 MGB roadster In-Reply-To: <65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66@ranteer.com> References: <65c71d32ab7d495ea8f56c1a0005bb66@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <0eddf193-2dcd-509b-c952-5a66e306f908@virginmedia.com> A lot of niggling things there, you need to go through everything carefully - compressions, valve clearances, timing including vacuum and centrifugal advances and looking for slop when twisting the rotor back and fore.? Carbs checking damped movement of the pistons going up and dropping smartly when coming down, springs, needles, air flow and mixture balance. Backfire in the exhaust or the intake?? In the exhaust that can follow a missed combustion, do you get a jump in the tach needle? Problems with the gulp valve can also cause backfiring. Check all the hoses between front tappet chest cover and carbs, canister to carbs, rocker cover and tank including the separator in the back.? Should be a non-vented tank filler cap.? A leak in any of those can disable the anti-runon system.? Check the valve, after running and switching off the valve should click as the oil pressure dies away.? With the engine running apply 12v to the slate/pink terminal of the valve and it should stop the engine. PaulH. On 01/12/2021 01:10, dave northrup wrote: > > Haven?t had it too long.? Seemed to be running ok; had transmission > problems so we swapped out for a good one. > > Just had a very knowledgeable friend set the timing and the carbs and > the choke adjustment. > > Pull the choke all the way out and it starts ok; but seems to backfire > a bit, especially when cold. After it warms up you can push the choke > back in and it runs and idles ok except it seems to have a loss of > power in the 3000 + rpm range, and does occasionally still backfire. > > Has a Pertronix but other than that seems pretty stock including the > air pump.? Tends to run on a bit after you turn it off. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Tue Dec 7 18:05:08 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 01:05:08 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] help! Message-ID: The window on my 72 B roadster came out of the track. The only way I could free it was to remove this piece and now I can't get it back in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20211207_172555.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3851558 bytes Desc: 20211207_172555.jpg URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Dec 8 01:29:09 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 08:29:09 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably the easiest way is to remove the glass, refit the channel, then refit the glass.? This might help: http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/bodytext.htm#remref On 08/12/2021 01:05, dave northrup wrote: > > The window on my 72 B roadster came out of the track. > > The only way I could free it was to remove this piece and now I can?t > get it back in. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 05:15:10 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 07:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patience, guile and perhaps a few helpful words you learned in the Navy will get this piece back into place. As you peer into the door you will see that there are two of these, one front, and this one rear. I think you will have to wind/push the glass up in order to get this rear guide slipped into place. The tab at the bottom is bolted to a support welded in the door. You may find its bolt rattling in bottom of the door. Workshop manual does not explain this clearly. It?s a bit of fit and fiddle to get it positioned so the glass is secure and moves smoothly. While the door is apart, clean off old grease from the winder gears and old oil from everything. Fresh grease and oil will make a remarkable difference in ease of window operation Bob > On Dec 7, 2021, at 8:05 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > The window on my 72 B roadster came out of the track. > > The only way I could free it was to remove this piece and now I can?t get it back in. > <20211207_172555.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Dec 8 09:01:55 2021 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (Frank Krajewski) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:01:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Scam? References: <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711@verizon.net> Is someone scamming the list? I received an email from the?list? asking me to confirm my request to unsubscribe. I never made such a request nor would I even consider it. Frank Krajewski Sent from my iPad From dan.dibiase at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 10:01:44 2021 From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Scam? In-Reply-To: <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711@verizon.net> References: <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711.ref@verizon.net> <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nothing received here.... Dan D '76 MGB Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:02 AM Frank Krajewski wrote: > > Is someone scamming the list? I received an email from the?list? asking > me to confirm my request to unsubscribe. I never made such a request nor > would I even consider it. > Frank Krajewski > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Wed Dec 8 18:25:42 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 01:25:42 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] driver side door glass 1972 mgb roadster Message-ID: I found this: https://www.mgexp.com/article/door-glass-removal-and-installation.105 Are there any other sites with directions on how to install the door glass? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Thu Dec 9 01:14:17 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 08:14:17 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] driver side door glass 1972 mgb roadster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a379f71-3f9b-ab9f-1678-741794f17f05@virginmedia.com> Yes. On 2021-12-09 01:25, dave northrup wrote: > > I found this: > https://www.mgexp.com/article/door-glass-removal-and-installation.105 > > Are there any other sites with directions on how to install the door > glass? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Thu Dec 9 01:16:17 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 08:16:17 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Scam? In-Reply-To: References: <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711.ref@verizon.net> <490D0E08-3D37-4769-B38D-FFA8D3B36711@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nor me. Did you look at the sender's address or any link in the email (and I mean 'look' not click)? On 2021-12-08 17:01, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Nothing received here.... > From mgbobh at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 05:10:34 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 07:10:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] driver side door glass 1972 mgb roadster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, I did not have this Experience advice when I did my doors, but what I did was pretty much what this suggests. Writer replaced the rubber, I see. Right he is about lithium white grease. I don?t know why it?s better for this, but it is. It?s a job difficult the first time, much easier second. Just have at it. One idea?if you can easily do it, raise the car onto jackstands. The getting in and out, twisting, turning, reaching, etc is easier when the car is up a few inches. Bob > On Dec 8, 2021, at 8:25 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > I found this: https://www.mgexp.com/article/door-glass-removal-and-installation.105 > > Are there any other sites with directions on how to install the door glass? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britfan1 at epix.net Thu Dec 9 15:38:07 2021 From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 17:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB wheel trim rings Message-ID: <1608463862.833787.1639089493650@epix.net> A friend has a 1980 MGB with chrome or stainless (I haven?t seen the car so I don?t know which) wheel trim rings. One of the rings is damaged?but the only listings I can find on line for the rings are for sets of four. All we need is one good one! Does anyone on the list have just one available? (Reply off-list please). Thanks in advance! Sarah Carr ?71 B/GT in PA Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Dec 9 16:11:09 2021 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 15:11:09 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGB wheel trim rings In-Reply-To: <1608463862.833787.1639089493650@epix.net> References: <1608463862.833787.1639089493650@epix.net> Message-ID: <1AF43D12-B42A-4566-A3D0-84FA955B87A4@sonic.net> They are stainless. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Dec 9, 2021, at 2:38 PM, S.Carr wrote: > > A friend has a 1980 MGB with chrome or stainless (I haven?t seen the car so I don?t know which) wheel trim rings. One of the rings is damaged?but the only listings I can find on line for the rings are for sets of four. All we need is one good one! Does anyone on the list have just one available? (Reply off-list please). > > Thanks in advance! > Sarah Carr > ?71 B/GT in PA > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkatzfey at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 14 08:25:18 2021 From: dkatzfey at woh.rr.com (Dale Katzfey) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Clutch hydraulics Message-ID: <364e1512-251b-2629-3916-018e453ecabf@woh.rr.com> This MGA has a single reservoir.? The brake side is working, the clutch side is not.? I can not get any pressure pumping the pedal.? Here is what I/'/ve tried so far: 1. Changed out the tubing from the master 2. Got a little fluid out when I cracked the tubing at the master. Fluid kind of spit. 3. Got a little fluid out when I cracked at the other end of the tubing 4. Fluid in reservoir did not drop when pumping. 5. Took the master out and checked the rubber parts all seemed to be in order. 6. Covered the output of the reservoir and I could not push the shaft in. 7. Took the master cover off and looked to see if there was something stopping the fluid from entering the cylinder.? Both sides looked the same. 8. Reinstalled the master and no pressure still. Any other ideas?? I think that the fluid id not getting into the cylinder, but I don't know why. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If so then it's probably the pressure seal and/or bore. PaulH. This MGA has a single reservoir.? The brake side is working, the clutch side is not.? I can not get any pressure pumping the pedal. Here is what I/'/ve tried so far: > > 1. Changed out the tubing from the master > > 2. Got a little fluid out when I cracked the tubing at the master. > Fluid kind of spit. > > 3. Got a little fluid out when I cracked at the other end of the tubing > > 4. Fluid in reservoir did not drop when pumping. > > 5. Took the master out and checked the rubber parts all seemed to be > in order. > > 6. Covered the output of the reservoir and I could not push the shaft in. > > 7. Took the master cover off and looked to see if there was something > stopping the fluid from entering the cylinder.? Both sides looked the > same. > > 8. Reinstalled the master and no pressure still. > > Any other ideas?? I think that the fluid id not getting into the > cylinder, but I don't know why. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britfan1 at epix.net Wed Dec 15 18:20:17 2021 From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:20:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGC water pump Message-ID: <115838292.10000.1639617622341@epix.net> Cleaning out the basement shelves?found the water pump we removed from the MGC a dozen years ago because it leaked (installed a new one)?does anyone know if they are rebuildable? Don?t need it (car sold) but I don?t want to put it in the ?scrap? pile if someone can use it. If interested, contact me off list. Sarah Carr ?71 B.GT in PA Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 05:14:39 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 07:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGC water pump In-Reply-To: <115838292.10000.1639617622341@epix.net> References: <115838292.10000.1639617622341@epix.net> Message-ID: <1A549140-F2E2-4648-B887-EE28CECC2A8E@gmail.com> A rebuilder in USA is Flying Dutchman. MG owners I know have used his services; I have not. They said that he was not inexpensive, but his rebuilts were better than new pumps. Having written this?I realise the age of my water pump..... Bob > On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:20 PM, S.Carr wrote: > > Cleaning out the basement shelves?found the water pump we removed from the MGC a dozen years ago because it leaked (installed a new one)?does anyone know if they are rebuildable? Don?t need it (car sold) but I don?t want to put it in the ?scrap? pile if someone can use it. If interested, contact me off list. > Sarah Carr > ?71 B.GT in PA > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Thu Dec 16 05:30:21 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:30:21 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGC water pump In-Reply-To: <1A549140-F2E2-4648-B887-EE28CECC2A8E@gmail.com> References: <115838292.10000.1639617622341@epix.net>, <1A549140-F2E2-4648-B887-EE28CECC2A8E@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 on the flying dutchman -------- Original message -------- From: Robert's New iPad Date: 12/16/21 6:16 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "S.Carr" Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGC water pump A rebuilder in USA is Flying Dutchman. MG owners I know have used his services; I have not. They said that he was not inexpensive, but his rebuilts were better than new pumps. Having written this?I realise the age of my water pump..... Bob On Dec 15, 2021, at 8:20 PM, S.Carr > wrote: Cleaning out the basement shelves?found the water pump we removed from the MGC a dozen years ago because it leaked (installed a new one)?does anyone know if they are rebuildable? Don?t need it (car sold) but I don?t want to put it in the ?scrap? pile if someone can use it. If interested, contact me off list. Sarah Carr ?71 B.GT in PA Sent from Mail for Windows _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Mon Dec 27 16:33:42 2021 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 23:33:42 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB Steering Wheel Message-ID: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> Steering wheel has some rust and issues; looks like the DPO painted it anyway. What's the recommended paint for that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thgun at comporium.net Mon Dec 27 17:43:01 2021 From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Front disc brakes Message-ID: Old phartz parts sells a brake upgrade for shoe brakes. Do you guys think that is a good idea? I drive my car alot. 1957 MGA 1500 rst Sent from my iPhone X From eyera3000 at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 20:55:02 2021 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:55:02 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Front disc brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How often do you stop it ? :) Disc breaks are a great upgrade. Ira Erbs 1959 AH 100-6 1967 MGB Milwaukie, OR On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 4:44 PM Thomas Gunderson wrote: > > Old phartz parts sells a brake upgrade for shoe brakes. Do you guys think > that is a good idea? I drive my car alot. > > 1957 MGA 1500 rst > > > Sent from my iPhone X > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Dec 28 01:28:11 2021 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 08:28:11 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> References: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> Message-ID: If you mean the one with the flat alloy spokes not paint.? Strip the paint off (carefully by the rim covering) and run wet and dry up and down them (not across) to get close to the original finish. PaulH. Steering wheel has some rust and issues; looks like the DPO painted it anyway. What?s the recommended paint for that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 08:19:55 2021 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:19:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 72 MGB Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> References: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Mine, with the four holes in each spoke, appears to be brushed chrome, unpainted. If you can get the paint off, try rubbing the metal with crumpled Reynolds Wrap. Often, that done on chrome, will refresh its appearance. If you find it so scruffy that paint is needed, try the argent that is used on wheels. I got a new leather cover from Wheelskins. It fit perfectly, looks as if it were original, and emits a nice hint of leather smell into the car. MGB wheels vary; one must measure the wheel in the car before ordering. Bob > On Dec 27, 2021, at 6:33 PM, dave northrup wrote: > > Steering wheel has some rust and issues; looks like the DPO painted it anyway. > > What?s the recommended paint for that? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From paul at ece.rochester.edu Tue Dec 28 10:21:49 2021 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:21:49 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] [EXT] 72 MGB Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <458d4d5eda9347f988b81fedcc054f6d@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <4D28945F-A2CC-4EA5-9F0B-25F6681F9EE4@ur.rochester.edu> Your Right, what were they doing with their fingers the holes in the first place. People. Drive you nuts. Paul Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:55 AM, PaulHunt73 > wrote: Brushed alloy originally, five holes until people started getting fingers stuck, then a slot until people got jewellery stuck, then the slot became a depression. There were always after-market versions though. 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