[Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final

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Mon Nov 30 06:17:19 MST 2020 

   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable operation.  
   My 1972 ‘British Leyland’ radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.  Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound.
Bob


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
> 
> Here’s the latest update.
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new – starts well again!
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
> Battery on the tender…
>  
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>  
> Thank you for all good advices.
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> 71 BGT
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They’ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Richard Lindsay
> Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>  
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
>  
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
> 
> Now there is a discussion:
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
> High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy
> Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00
> New starter Powerlite = € 239,00
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00
>  
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>  
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>  
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
> They did a good job.
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>  
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.
>  
> PaulH.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
> Nothing helped so far.
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.
> Nice winter job.
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>  
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................
>  
> Dan D
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>  
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 
>  
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>  
> Thx, 
>  
> Dan D
> '76B-  Getting There
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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