From barrob at bell.net  Tue Nov  3 12:17:43 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 14:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Brass heater valve from where.
Message-ID: <d2da9df1-891f-4aa6-0392-bd74860f3236@bell.net>

Hello folks,

Can anyone tell me what car this came off??? Make and part number maybe too?

Cheers
Barrie
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Nov  8 15:55:52 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 16:55:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
Message-ID: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>

Hi, all.

 

My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking for
a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).  They sold the
customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who else
is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others have
had good experiences with.

 

Thanks!

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From charleyrob at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:30:34 2020
From: charleyrob at gmail.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 18:30:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <2D654A8E-9633-4180-80DE-524D293C6D98@gmail.com>

Hagerty has been excellent for me from roadside assistance to payoff on a total loss

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:21 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi, all.
>  
> My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).  They sold the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who else is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others have had good experiences with.
>  
> Thanks!
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From lawrence.swift at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 17:09:28 2020
From: lawrence.swift at gmail.com (Team.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 19:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
In-Reply-To: <2D654A8E-9633-4180-80DE-524D293C6D98@gmail.com>
References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <74F10D2B-098A-4674-AA30-9125EBD1801B@gmail.com>

Highly recommended.

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Charley Robinson <charleyrob at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hagerty has been excellent for me from roadside assistance to payoff on a total loss
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:21 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi, all.
>>  
>> My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).  They sold the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who else is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others have had good experiences with.
>>  
>> Thanks!
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Sun Nov  8 17:28:41 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 00:28:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1881981739.3173516.1604881721246@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have been using Taylor's for over 20 years.? Very satisfied.? You might just compare rates with Hagerty.
Mike macLean

    On Sunday, November 8, 2020, 3:21:22 PM PST, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
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Hi, all.

 ?

My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).? They sold the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who else is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others have had good experiences with.

 ?

Thanks!
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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 17:40:23 2020
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 19:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
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References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
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   Hagerty was first-rate on the one claim I made. Immediate response by an estimator, and the check came within a week.  NA MGB Register members get a discount.
Bob

   

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 5:55 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, all.
>  
> My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).  They sold the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who else is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others have had good experiences with.
>  
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Nov  9 07:00:41 2020
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 08:00:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <7ebe2c05-67e5-2f52-c3a2-5dd36dd8b53d@ktc.com>

I've had Hagerty for years.? Highly recommend them.? The Driving Club 
pubs are very entertaining.

CR

From barrob at bell.net  Mon Nov  9 08:04:39 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 10:04:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
In-Reply-To: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
References: <000c01d6b622$504ff910$f0efeb30$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <9b1b8089-8aa3-ec5c-ac1d-032f54a67f4c@bell.net>

Hello folks,

I had a almost local insurance copy for years - then they sold out to 
Hagerty so I am now with them.?? Had occasion to use them twice for my 
MGB GT (parking brake failure and rogue bloody big truck).? Absolutely 
no hassle even to my ability to choose excellent (read expensive) repair 
shop.?? They put out for clients a regular frequent Internet newsletter 
which is fun.

Cheers
Barrie
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4


On 11/8/2020 5:55 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am 
> looking for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy 
> expires).? They sold the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to 
> them but I was wondering who else is out there that is a good, 
> responsible insurance company that others have had good experiences with.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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>
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Nov  9 09:26:37 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 17:26:37 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+kVGmrpkddPc+WHoWVx0te3cOzQLrczKR_aUf4sTzm8HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABxEc+mkFq46VQyDrO9qStNmTtt-_WUNLAsxpPX3CntUNheBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOc+-dwbXv_N5uf4Q=D2K8b8syzvJfbB-oA4ue_H_xbEuZ8Lyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABxEc+kVGmrpkddPc+WHoWVx0te3cOzQLrczKR_aUf4sTzm8HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d6b6b5$19071a40$4b154ec0$@planet.nl>

So here?s the story completed.

The tank was emptied enough to get the fuel pump off.

So I replaced the contact points and had these adjusted.

Also replaced the membrane and gasket.

Before assembling it all, I thoroughly cleaned and flattened the flanges, where between the new membrane and gasket were to be tight. 

This went well and the pump is in good working order again. 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

71 BGT

 

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Nov 10 03:40:58 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:40:58 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
References: <CABxEc+mkFq46VQyDrO9qStNmTtt-_WUNLAsxpPX3CntUNheBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOc+-dwbXv_N5uf4Q=D2K8b8syzvJfbB-oA4ue_H_xbEuZ8Lyg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6FC5EA3A430E4412BE1A6BEE4A0665A2@paul>

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
   
  Next job is the slow starter motor. 

  I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

  Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

  Nothing helped so far.

  So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

  Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

  When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

  Nice winter job.

   

  Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
  Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
  Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
  CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
  Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

   

  OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

   

  Dan D


  http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:

    I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

     

    On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:

      Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

       

      I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

       

      Thx, 

       

      Dan D

      '76B-  Getting There

      '65B - Waiting It's Turn

      Central NJ USA


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From barrob at bell.net  Tue Nov 10 07:13:29 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 09:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
In-Reply-To: <6FC5EA3A430E4412BE1A6BEE4A0665A2@paul>
References: <CABxEc+mkFq46VQyDrO9qStNmTtt-_WUNLAsxpPX3CntUNheBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello folks,

If the battery is new and all connections have been cleaned then I am 
guessing the starter motor is the problem.?? I had same problem, so 
whipped out the starter and took to shop that did nothing else but 
alternators, starters and such.?? He dissembled it before my eyes and he 
showed me sick insides.?? I left it with him and next day picked up 
refurbished starter, paid around $150 for parts and labour (in nice 
looking Canadian dollars), took it home and installed.? Been super ever 
since.? But hasten to add that the starter was/is one of those high 
torque non-Lucas ones of which I had trouble find one that did not fail 
after a few weeks !!!!!

The only other guess would be you need a tin of Lucas smoke
Cheers
Barrie

On 11/10/2020 5:40 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> ?
> Yes,?measure the voltage?right on the battery posts (adding the two 
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare 
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid?and 
> starter body when cranking.? The difference between the two is what is 
> being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't 
> be much more than that.
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then?that?is the 
> problem.
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
>     I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>     battery to chassis cable.
>
>     Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
>     Nothing helped so far.
>
>     So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>     assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>     Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>     motor +12V to the engine.
>
>     When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>     this is logical.
>
>     Nice winter job.
>
>     *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>     *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>     *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
>     *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>     OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>     obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>     Dan D
>
>     http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>     On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>     <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a
>         a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the
>         fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>         <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi all.... My '76B, which?was off the road for 5 years,
>             was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some
>             new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which
>             was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
>             running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the
>             gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just
>             under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less
>             (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>             I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if
>             the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to
>             move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
>             up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
>             couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
>             Thx,
>
>             Dan D
>
>             '76B-? Getting There
>
>             '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
>             Central NJ USA
>
>             http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>             <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>             _______________________________________________
>
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From eyera3000 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 09:00:57 2020
From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 08:00:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] insurance companies
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hagerty has been great

easy to work with.  Community supporters and promotes old car events

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 3:21 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> My old insurance company is getting out of the business so I am looking
> for a new one (I have a month or so before my policy expires).  They sold
> the customer list to Hagerty; I may switch to them but I was wondering who
> else is out there that is a good, responsible insurance company that others
> have had good experiences with.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sun Nov 15 06:47:11 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:47:11 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
In-Reply-To: <6FC5EA3A430E4412BE1A6BEE4A0665A2@paul>
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I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sun Nov 15 07:45:24 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:45:24 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
References: <CABxEc+mkFq46VQyDrO9qStNmTtt-_WUNLAsxpPX3CntUNheBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes it is a good value, but you need to measure the voltage at the starter battery cable terminal and body as well.

The starter is a bit chicken and egg.  As less voltage reaches the starter from, say, poor connections the battery voltage will go up even though the cranking speed goes down, because the starter voltage has gone down.  

If the circuit though the starter - which includes the solenoid on a pre-engaged is poor then voltage at the battery and the starter terminals will be good even though cranking speed is low.

If there is excessive mechanical load on the starter causing the slow cranking, then both battery and starter voltage will be lower even with a good battery.

And of course if the battery is weak then the voltage measured right on the battery posts will be low.

Geared starters are very good seemingly achieving the impossible of reducing battery drain whilst increasing cranking speeds and making starter easier, but are expensive.

A better bet is a modern non-geared starter which goes some way to achieving the benefits of a geared at a lighter weight and about half the price of an original.  Moss Europe for example have the geared at ?223, the light-weight at ?88, and the OE at ?130 plus ?15 returnable surcharge on a rebuildable unit.  The term 'hi-torque' can be confusing, some suppliers apply that to the geared and some to the lightweight.  The difference between the two is that in the geared the solenoid with its connections is in line with the output pinion and the motor is on the side, instead of being the other way round.  Also the solenoid and the motor are very nearly the same sizes, again unlike the others.  A drawback with the geared, and maybe the light-weight, is that they don't have the rubber bumper coil boost contact which aids starting.  The geared may well not need it, and it can be replicated with an additional relay, or more easily with a split-charge relay with two output connections, or a diode if you know what you are doing.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 


   

  I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

  The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

  So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sun Nov 15 08:27:13 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 16:27:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
References: <CABxEc+mkFq46VQyDrO9qStNmTtt-_WUNLAsxpPX3CntUNheBMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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P.S. I discovered that one of the 2 long screws which starter assembly together was quite lose.

This makes, that the motor body does not make contact with the aluminium part, which bolts the starter to the engine.

Any chance, that this would cause poor contacts and slow starter operation?

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Van: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:47
Aan: 'PaulHunt73' <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: RE: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> > 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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From palte at gmx.net  Sun Nov 15 08:50:02 2020
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 16:50:02 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking
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10.5 V seems okay to me.


Well, I would first take the defective starter motor apart,

then determine what is wrong and then decide what to do.


Yes, there are better options now, but IMHO the original design was
quite adequate.


Bert.



Op 15-11-2020 om 14:47 schreef h.duinhoven at planet.nl:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is
> on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new
> one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the
> original repaired?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> Yes,?measure the voltage?right on the battery posts (adding the two
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid?and
> starter body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is
> being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
> be much more than that.
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then?that?is the
> problem.
>
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
>     I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>     battery to chassis cable.
>
>     Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
>     Nothing helped so far.
>
>     So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>     assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>     Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>     motor +12V to the engine.
>
>     When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>     this is logical.
>
>     Nice winter job.
>
>     *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>     *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>     *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>     <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>     *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>     MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>     OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>     obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>     Dan D
>
>     http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>     On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>     <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a
>         a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the
>         fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>         <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi all.... My '76B, which?was off the road for 5 years,
>             was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some
>             new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which
>             was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
>             running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the
>             gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just
>             under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less
>             (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>             I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if
>             the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to
>             move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
>             up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
>             couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
>             Thx,
>
>             Dan D
>
>             '76B-? Getting There
>
>             '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
>             Central NJ USA
>
>             http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sun Nov 15 08:55:34 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 15:55:34 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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I've known two halves of an alternator have a poor electrical connection between them and that caused low output.  If the starter end plate is used to pass current through to the innards then you could well have a similar problem, also if the end-plate is moving around when the starter is cranking.  If the rotor shaft is allowed to move laterally it may be binding on the stator.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  P.S. I discovered that one of the 2 long screws which starter assembly together was quite lose.

  This makes, that the motor body does not make contact with the aluminium part, which bolts the starter to the engine.

  Any chance, that this would cause poor contacts and slow starter operation?


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From barrob at bell.net  Sun Nov 15 12:33:11 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
In-Reply-To: <002901d6bb55$d1a1e270$74e5a750$@planet.nl>
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Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.?? 
I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in 
progress' chariot.? ? I am not sure 'new' things these days are as? good 
as 'old' ones? When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked 
the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old 
one.? The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.? It 
was filed with new machines and no old ones.? He said my 30 year old 
reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would 
expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.? Remembering that our? 
'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its 
two years I went with reconditioning.?? A local bod, who does nothing 
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter 
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed 
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with 
a total bill of C$150.??? So I will always go with bods that do 
'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.?? Using 'on 
line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Now back to the program !

Cheers
Barrie

On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is 
> on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/> 
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 
> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the 
> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new 
> one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the 
> original repaired?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> Yes,?measure the voltage?right on the battery posts (adding the two 
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare 
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid?and 
> starter body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is 
> being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't 
> be much more than that.
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then?that?is the 
> problem.
>
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
>     I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>     battery to chassis cable.
>
>     Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
>     Nothing helped so far.
>
>     So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>     assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>     Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>     motor +12V to the engine.
>
>     When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>     this is logical.
>
>     Nice winter job.
>
>     *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>     *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>     *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>     <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>     *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>     MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>     OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>     obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>     Dan D
>
>     http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>     On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>     <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a
>         a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the
>         fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>         <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi all.... My '76B, which?was off the road for 5 years,
>             was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some
>             new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which
>             was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
>             running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the
>             gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just
>             under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less
>             (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>             I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if
>             the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to
>             move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
>             up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
>             couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
>             Thx,
>
>             Dan D
>
>             '76B-? Getting There
>
>             '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
>             Central NJ USA
>
>             http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>             <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Nov 15 13:22:00 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:22:00 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
In-Reply-To: <de847852-81ed-80d9-1b7a-89c5d3f13811@bell.net>
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The high torque starters are small, lighter, and use less amperage than a stock one.  In addition, they turn the motor faster and give you better starts.  Plus they are generally high quality for Japanese cars, fitted to ours.  That would be my first choice.

 

The replacement parts made for our cars are often made in China and low quality.  So I would say second choice is rebuilt.

 

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:33 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Now back to the program !

Cheers
Barrie

On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>  wrote:

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

Van: PaulHunt73  <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
CC: 'mglist'  <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo'  <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 15:48:07 2020
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:48:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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Hi Barrie,
   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....
   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available. 
   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.
Bob


> On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.
> 
> Now back to the program !
> 
> Cheers
> Barrie
> 
>> On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
>>  
>> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>> 
>> Now there is a discussion:
>> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>> High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>> Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>> New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>>  
>> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>>  
>> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>>  
>> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>> They did a good job.
>> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>  
>> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>> Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
>> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>  
>> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>>  
>> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.
>>  
>> PaulH.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.
>> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>> Nothing helped so far.
>> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.
>> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.
>> Nice winter job.
>>  
>> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
>> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>>  
>> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................
>>  
>> Dan D
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>  
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 
>>  
>> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>>  
>> Thx, 
>>  
>> Dan D
>> '76B-  Getting There
>> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Nov 16 01:30:11 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:30:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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New stuff definitely not as good as old, especially anything with rubber in it.  As far as white goods barely lasting the warranty period 'planned obsolescence' was a term that became current decades ago.  My Mum only ever had one vacuum cleaner that I first became aware of in the 50s, also an Electrolux, she said it had been the most powerful one on the market.  It may have sucked well 50 years previously but couldn't compare with a Bosch for example today, what her cleaner thought of it I don't know.  When she died a few years ago I sold it to a collector, still had all the accessories, even the original rubber mains cable!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
     Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Nov 16 05:03:01 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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Nice story Bob. 

I still have my 1967 bike, which I used to go to high school these days. Fixed the ball head bearing with parts from a bike museum in January this year! In winter time the crank bearing needs repair the same way?

I also am busy with a total overhaul of my 1989 race bike. Problem with that are the Japanese parts, which are NLA for over 20 years now. Good news is all bearings are o.k. ? new grease and the bike is ready for another decade.

Chain rings are replaced with a new type.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Back to the starter this afternoon. 

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New iPad
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 23:48
Aan: Barrie Robinson <barrob at bell.net>
CC: mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Hi Barrie,

   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....

   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available. 

   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.

Bob

 


On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob at bell.net <mailto:barrob at bell.net> > wrote:

Hello folks,

I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.

Now back to the program !

Cheers
Barrie

On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>  wrote:

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

Van: PaulHunt73  <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
CC: 'mglist'  <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo'  <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 06:56:58 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:56:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on
the lathe and replace the brushes.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:

>
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on
> a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>
>
>
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>
>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator
> has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one
> (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original
> repaired?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
>
>
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that
> with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body
> when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the
> connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>
>
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the
> problem.
>
>
>
> PaulH.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to
> chassis cable.
>
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
> Nothing helped so far.
>
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it
> will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V
> to the engine.
>
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is
> logical.
>
> Nice winter job.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>
>
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious,
> now!) advice..............................
>
>
>
> Dan D
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit
> of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel
> into jugs.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently
> returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon
> out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed
> in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas
> before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so
> around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>
>
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Nov 18 06:49:31 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 07:49:31 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mga speedo
Message-ID: <000901d6bdb1$a5e41e60$f1ac5b20$@ranteer.com>

I am looking for a decent used speedo for an mga.

 

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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Nov 19 12:11:35 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 20:11:35 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
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I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
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CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Nov 26 20:28:12 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:28:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] british car gage gaskets
Message-ID: <000501d6c46d$56d77b10$04867130$@ranteer.com>

there used to be, and i hope still is, a guy who sells the gaskets for
british car gages, both the glass to gage and the gage to dash.

 

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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Nov 26 21:35:16 2020
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] british car gage gaskets
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Look for British Car Cottage Industries. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 7:28 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Nov 27 01:29:09 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 08:29:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] british car gage gaskets
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Depends on where you are.  Holden's have them in the UK.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  there used to be, and i hope still is, a guy who sells the gaskets for british car gages, both the glass to gage and the gage to dash.

   

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From barrob at bell.net  Fri Nov 27 08:54:14 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 10:54:14 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] british car gage gaskets
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I have been supplying these gaskets (O-rings!) for decades.? They are 
'over-the-top' quality not from you-know-where. This includes the square 
sectioned ones as used on Austin Healeys, as well as sponge rubber rings 
for glass to bezel giving excellent sealing.?? All Smith and Jaeger 
gauges sizes are available.

Cheers
Barrie

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>
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>     for british car gages, both the glass to gage and the gage to dash.
>
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From barrob at bell.net  Fri Nov 27 09:05:08 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 11:05:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] british car gage gaskets
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Hello folks,

I was the British Car Cottage Industries bloke but I took down the web 
site a few weeks ago.?? I got very few participants and getting their 
co-operation was arduous.??? The idea was brilliant but the market's 
support was dismal.?? I must of approached dozens of what I thought were 
perfect participants but virtually no one joined - despite there being 
no charge.

Cheers
Barrie
www.AMFClub.com

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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Nov 30 06:10:19 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (h.duinhoven at planet.nl)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:10:19 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final
Message-ID: <000d01d6c71a$27c000e0$774002a0$@planet.nl>

Here?s the latest update.

A local workshop has overhauled the starter. 

New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.

Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new ? starts well again!

A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.

As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.

Battery on the tender?

 

Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).

 

Thank you for all good advices. 

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

71 BGT

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens h.duinhoven at planet.nl
Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
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CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

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Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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From mgbobh at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 06:17:19 2020
From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final
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   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable operation.  
   My 1972 ?British Leyland? radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.  Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound.
Bob


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
> 
> Here?s the latest update.
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new ? starts well again!
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
> Battery on the tender?
>  
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>  
> Thank you for all good advices.
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> 71 BGT
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Richard Lindsay
> Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>  
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
>  
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
> 
> Now there is a discussion:
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
> High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
> Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
> New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>  
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>  
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>  
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
> They did a good job.
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?
>  
> Cheers,
> Hans
>  
> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>  
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>  
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.
>  
> PaulH.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
> Nothing helped so far.
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.
> Nice winter job.
>  
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>  
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................
>  
> Dan D
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>  
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 
>  
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>  
> Thx, 
>  
> Dan D
> '76B-  Getting There
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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From palte at gmx.net  Mon Nov 30 09:44:07 2020
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 17:44:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas - Final
In-Reply-To: <000d01d6c71a$27c000e0$774002a0$@planet.nl>
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Hans, Great to read that all is working fine again!



Op 30-11-2020 om 14:10 schreef h.duinhoven at planet.nl:
>
> Here?s the latest update.
>
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
>
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.
>
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new ? starts well again!
>
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
>
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
> nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
>
> Battery on the tender?
>
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>
> Thank you for all good advices.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> 71 BGT
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> *Namens *h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but
> motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
>
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll
> disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair,
> or a new starter is better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
> <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Richard Lindsay
> *Verzonden:* zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>>
> *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
> MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator
> on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> wrote:
>
>     I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts.
>     It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>
>     The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
>     So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
>     Now there is a discussion:
>
>     Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
>     High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>
>     Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>
>     New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>
>     New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>
>     https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>     <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>
>
>     https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>     <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
>     There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
>     alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
>     They did a good job.
>
>     I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a
>     new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have
>     the original repaired?
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Hans
>
>     *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com
>     <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>>
>     *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>     *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
>     *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>     'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
>     Yes,?measure the voltage?right on the battery posts (adding the
>     two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then
>     compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the
>     solenoid?and starter body when cranking.? The difference between
>     the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is
>     normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>
>     If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then?that?is
>     the problem.
>
>     PaulH.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
>         I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
>         battery to chassis cable.
>
>         Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
>         Nothing helped so far.
>
>         So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
>         assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
>         Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>         motor +12V to the engine.
>
>         When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
>         this is logical.
>
>         Nice winter job.
>
>         *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>         <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>         *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>         *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>         <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>         *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>         MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>         *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>         OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>         obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
>         Dan D
>
>         http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>         <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>         <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose,
>             added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected,
>             used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
>             On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>             <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Hi all.... My '76B, which?was off the road for 5
>                 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They
>                 added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year
>                 old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it
>                 towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to
>                 siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is
>                 currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
>                 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>                 I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am
>                 wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I
>                 can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and
>                 it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really
>                 like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
>                 Thx,
>
>                 Dan D
>
>                 '76B- Getting There
>
>                 '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
>                 Central NJ USA
>
>                 http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>                 <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
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From palte at gmx.net  Mon Nov 30 11:06:37 2020
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 19:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios
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Bob,

Your radio story reminds me of the following:


1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre
(similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).

 ??? That was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those
days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.

 ??? So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales rep in those days.

 ??? Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and, by
consequence, the resale value was very very low,

 ?? and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade it in
but just keep it.


 ? ? Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays
make occasional trips with it,

 ??? like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with my son.


 ??? Three things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after
so many years:


 ?? a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;

 ?? b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors etc.

 ?? c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds
really terrible when compared to more modern gear.


2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at
Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.

 ???? Of course, my internship required that I do something scientific,
but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise,

 ???? I could not work for weeks at the project that I came for.

 ??? So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record
players, stereo's, car radios etcetera.


 ??? Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that
age you learn quickly.

 ??? These were the days before Internet or even telefax.

 ??? But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send
some circuit diagrams by mail,

 ? ? they were really very eager to assist such an important institution
like the Swedish Telecom authority.

 ? ? So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned a lot
in the process.


 ? ? One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the
alternator (Lucas 16 ACR).

 ??? Not very nice to? work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade
outside.

 ??? No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Televerket
laboratory after working hours

 ??? and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sent me by mail
from Holland.


Cheers

Bert





Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:
> ? ?The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of
> reliable operation.
> ? ?My 1972 ?British Leyland? radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a
> repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell
> and gone silent a week before. ?Some research found that Motorola made
> radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. ?This
> seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its
> original low-quality sound.
> Bob
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> wrote:
>
>> Here?s the latest update.
>>
>> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
>>
>> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and
>> Bendix.
>>
>> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new ? starts well again!
>>
>> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
>>
>> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing
>> nights, the GT remains inside till spring.
>>
>> Battery on the tender?
>>
>> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
>>
>> Thank you for all good advices.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> 71 BGT
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>> <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *h.duinhoven at planet.nl
>> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
>> *Aan:* 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>> <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but
>> motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
>>
>> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll
>> disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair,
>> or a new starter is better.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>> <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Richard Lindsay
>> *Verzonden:* zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
>> *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
>> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>>
>> *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>> MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the
>> commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl
>> <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>     I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts.
>>     It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.
>>
>>     The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>>
>>     So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>>
>>
>>     Now there is a discussion:
>>
>>     Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>>
>>     High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy
>>
>>     Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00
>>
>>     New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00
>>
>>     New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00
>>
>>     https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>>     <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>>
>>
>>     https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>>     <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>>
>>     There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
>>     alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>>
>>     They did a good job.
>>
>>     I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a
>>     new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have
>>     the original repaired?
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Hans
>>
>>     *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com
>>     <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>>
>>     *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>>     *Aan:* h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
>>     *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>;
>>     'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>>     *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>
>>     Yes,?measure the voltage?right on the battery posts (adding the
>>     two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then
>>     compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the
>>     solenoid?and starter body when cranking.? The difference between
>>     the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is
>>     normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>>
>>     If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then?that?is
>>     the problem.
>>
>>     PaulH.
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>         Next job is the slow starter motor.
>>
>>         I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of
>>         the battery to chassis cable.
>>
>>         Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>>
>>         Nothing helped so far.
>>
>>         So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking.
>>         I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>>
>>         Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
>>         motor +12V to the engine.
>>
>>         When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was
>>         overhauled, this is logical.
>>
>>         Nice winter job.
>>
>>         *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
>>         *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>>         *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>>
>>         *CC:* mglist <mgs at autox.team.net
>>         <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>>; MGB-Yahoo
>>         <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>>
>>         *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>>
>>         OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
>>         obvious, now!) advice..............................
>>
>>         Dan D
>>
>>         http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>         <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>
>>         On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
>>         <richardolindsay at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose,
>>             added a a long bit of hose and with the coil
>>             disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>>
>>             On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>>             <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi all.... My '76B, which?was off the road for 5
>>                 years, was recently returned to me from the shop.
>>                 They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5
>>                 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I
>>                 had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I
>>                 want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it
>>                 up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank,
>>                 so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
>>                 accuracy).
>>
>>                 I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am
>>                 wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as
>>                 I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area
>>                 and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would
>>                 really like to remove a couple more gallons before I
>>                 fill it up.
>>
>>                 Thx,
>>
>>                 Dan D
>>
>>                 '76B- Getting There
>>
>>                 '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>>
>>                 Central NJ USA
>>
>>                 http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>                 <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Nov 30 15:26:10 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 16:26:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios
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My turn???

 

Years ago I acquired an overpriced box of stuff, including an original Triumph sidescreen radio (AM of course).  It came in a ?stand? that fit between the tunnel and the dash and included a speaker.  It did not work.

 

At the time I was part of the Datsun Roadster group (Datsun Roadsters were built from 1962? To 1970), and were the precursor to the 240Z.  a lister had posted that his dad retired, was some sort of electronics technician, and was looking to repair radios as a hobby.  So I sent him mine.  I was told that he was thrilled to work on one that had tubes, and he really enjoyed refurbishing it.

 

That radio went into a 1957 TR3 that the current owner showed at The Gathering a few years ago and came away with first in class.

 

From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bert Palte
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:07 PM
To: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh at gmail.com>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Old Car Radios

 

Bob,

Your radio story reminds me of the following:

 

1. During half of my student days, I drove a 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre (similar to a Hillman Hunter, you can google that).

    That was until 1981, when I graduated and started working. In those days, it was not done, as a sales rep, to drive a 10-yr old car.

    So I bought a Peugeot 504, archetypical for a sales rep in those days.

    Since the Sunbeam's manufacturer had gone belly up and, by consequence, the resale value was very very low, 

   and the car looked still quite good, I decided to not trade it in but just keep it.

 

    Fast Forward 30+ years: I got the car running again and nowadays make occasional trips with it, 

    like e.g. a camping trip to the South of England with my son.   

 

    Three things that I noticed when I drove this car first time after so many years:

 

   a. The steering wheel rim is very thin;

   b. Panorama view: no thick posts between windscreen and doors etc.

   c. The (Grundig, upmarket for its days) AM/FM monaural radio sounds really terrible when compared to more modern gear.

 

2. In the late seventies, I worked for three months as a trainee at Televerket, the Swedish telephone company.

     Of course, my internship required that I do something scientific, but due to poor organisation by my employer, a state enterprise, 

     I could not work for weeks at the project that I came for.

    So, colleagues came by and asked me if I could repair their record players, stereo's, car radios etcetera. 

 

    Now, this was not a skill I had any experience with, but at that age you learn quickly.

    These were the days before Internet or even telefax. 

    But, when you grab a telephone and ask the manufacturer to send some circuit diagrams by mail, 

    they were really very eager to assist such an important institution like the Swedish Telecom authority.

    So, I repaired a lot of electronics stuff then, and learned a lot in the process.

 

    One day, I had a small problem with the Sunbeam, no output from the alternator (Lucas 16 ACR). 

    Not very nice to  work on, when it is minus 25 degrees Centigrade outside.

    No problem: I could easily drive the car into the Televerket laboratory after working hours 

    and replace the carbon brushes that my brother had sent me by mail from Holland.

 

Cheers

Bert  

 

 

 

 

Op 30-11-2020 om 14:17 schreef Robert's New iPad:

   The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable operation.  

   My 1972 ?British Leyland? radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a week before.  Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs.  This seems to be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound.

Bob

 


On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

Here?s the latest update.

A local workshop has overhauled the starter. 

New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.

Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new ? starts well again!

A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.

As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.

Battery on the tender?

 

Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).

 

Thank you for all good advices. 

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

71 BGT

 

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Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> >
CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. 

So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They?ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a new starter is better.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Richard Lindsay
Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> >
CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> > wrote:

 

I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that?s a good value.

The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.

So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.


Now there is a discussion:

Repair the starter or buy a new one.

High torque starter = ? 325,00, which is pricy

Original starter on exchange base = ? 200,00

New starter Powerlite = ? 239,00

New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = ? 135,00

 

https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/ 

 

https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024 

 

There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.

They did a good job.

I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better ? a new one (Angloparts = ? 152 or ? 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired?

 

Cheers,

Hans 

 

Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> > 
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl <mailto:h.duinhoven at planet.nl> 
CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

 

Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.

 

If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.

 

PaulH.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

 

Next job is the slow starter motor. 

I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.

Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. 

Nothing helped so far.

So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.

Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.

When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.

Nice winter job.

 

Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> > Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
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CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> >; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com <mailto:mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com> >
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas

 

OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................

 

Dan D


http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com <mailto:richardolindsay at gmail.com> > wrote:

I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com <mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 

 

I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.

 

Thx, 

 

Dan D

'76B-  Getting There

'65B - Waiting It's Turn

Central NJ USA


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