From lrc at red4est.com Wed Jan 1 18:54:36 2020 From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 17:54:36 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGB takes second place Message-ID: <3B1A60CC-FFC2-4C73-AB15-EB0D9DF03C31@red4est.com> Zombee takes second place in Hooniverse car of the decade, description is the third car down on the page https://hooniverse.com/your-turn-to-vote-for-the-hooniverse-car-of-the-decade/ The post of the actual award mostly discusses the winner https://hooniverse.com/the-hooniverse-car-of-the-decade-is-an-airplane-on-a-van-chassis/ From Charley38 at twc.com Wed Jan 1 23:11:59 2020 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 00:11:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGB takes second place In-Reply-To: <3B1A60CC-FFC2-4C73-AB15-EB0D9DF03C31@red4est.com> References: <3B1A60CC-FFC2-4C73-AB15-EB0D9DF03C31@red4est.com> Message-ID: <72bfb9c7-bd9d-d0e2-694b-e6cecfdbbb2d@twc.com> All right!? Looks like a great win for a bunch of dedicated team mates.?? Congratulations to all!! CR On 1/1/2020 7:54 PM, Larry Colen via Mgs wrote: > Zombee takes second place in Hooniverse car of the decade, description is the third car down on the page > > https://hooniverse.com/your-turn-to-vote-for-the-hooniverse-car-of-the-decade/ > > The post of the actual award mostly discusses the winner > https://hooniverse.com/the-hooniverse-car-of-the-decade-is-an-airplane-on-a-van-chassis/ > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com > From rrengineer.mike at att.net Thu Jan 16 12:06:48 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare References: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883@mail.yahoo.com> In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on.? Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.? That turned out to be true, somewhat.? To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.? One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument.? For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory.? It worked!? You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!? After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.? Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.? I just love electrical problems.? Not in my element here.? Any ideas?Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Thu Jan 16 12:09:16 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Oops. Here's the Picture of the Tach References: <109108473.13347.1579201756154.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109108473.13347.1579201756154@mail.yahoo.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tach2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 266966 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Jan 16 12:19:52 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:19:52 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1165779563.32029.1579201608883@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D324500-FE17-40DB-B45C-E0158763D037@sonic.net> I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory. It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Thu Jan 16 12:41:07 2020 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:41:07 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare Message-ID: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job. It looks, like the car has been exposed to "nature" for many times. This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. So besides true fault finding, I'd dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned. Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. So get a matching electrical diagram of the car's built year. The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. Hope this helps for the long term. Cheers, Hans '71 BGT Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 Aan: Michael MacLean CC: MGs Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory. It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Jan 16 12:43:12 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:43:12 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: <003001d5cca4$ce1197e0$6a34c7a0$@planet.nl> References: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1165779563.32029.1579201608883@mail.yahoo.com> <8D324500-FE17-40DB-B45C-E0158763D037@sonic.net> <003001d5cca4$ce1197e0$6a34c7a0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: I agree. That is something I did, too. Just thoroughly cleaning the contacts makes a huge difference. And you will probably find that a lot of those old connectors will be cracked and aren?t really gripping. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > > Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job. > It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times. > This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. > So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned. > Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. > Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. > I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. > > So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year. > The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. > > Hope this helps for the long term. > > Cheers, > Hans > ?71 BGT > > Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs > Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 > Aan: Michael MacLean > CC: MGs > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare > > I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. > > It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. > > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: >> >> In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory. It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? >> Mike MacLean >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Thu Jan 16 12:57:28 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <1165779563.32029.1579201608883.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1165779563.32029.1579201608883@mail.yahoo.com> <8D324500-FE17-40DB-B45C-E0158763D037@sonic.net> <003001d5cca4$ce1197e0$6a34c7a0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <1799754773.48831.1579204648105@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I am sure it is a ground problem.? You are correct when you say the old connections probably are corroded to the point of very little electrical connectivity.? They should be cleaned and re-connected.? For now I just need the tach to work.? I am in the middle of an Austin Healey BN2 restoration and do not have unlimited time to play around with the MG yet.? A little at a time.? Today I am pulling the tachometer and the speedometer out to send out to be rebuilt.? While they are out, I will have access to more of the wiring behind the dash.? It will be a chance to clean up some connections before they come back.? Today I will disconnect the grounding wire eyelet I found behind the tach that I slipped over the threaded post for the experiment.? We'll see if the horn comes back.? After that, we'll see why the cigar lighter does not work.?? I need a power point to charge my phone.Mike M On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:43:18 AM PST, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: I agree. That is something I did, too. Just thoroughly cleaning the contacts makes a huge difference. And you will probably find that a lot of those old connectors will be cracked and aren?t really gripping. --Max Heim'66 MGB On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job.?It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times.?This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.?So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned.Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects.Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad.I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore.? ?So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year.The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. ?Hope this helps for the long term. ?Cheers,Hans?71 BGT ?Van:?Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]?Namens?Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden:?donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 Aan:?Michael MacLean CC:?MGs Onderwerp:?Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare ?I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. ?It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. ? ?--Max Heim'66 MGB ? On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: ?In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on.? Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.? That turned out to be true, somewhat.? To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.? One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument.? For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory.? It worked!? You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!? After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.? Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.? I just love electrical problems.? Not in my element here.? 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URL: From barrob at bell.net Thu Jan 16 13:05:43 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> References: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: Hello folks, I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a novice.? When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original". There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "point to point". He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form him.?? It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.?? So that's what I have in my GT.?? Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing confusion.??? It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof.?? Probably no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself. I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !! Barrie. On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > > Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring > job. > > It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times. > > This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. > > So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all > contacts cleaned. > > Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. > > Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. > > I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any > electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and > starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed > anymore. > > So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year. > > The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. > > Hope this helps for the long term. > > Cheers, > > Hans > > ?71 BGT > > *Van:*Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *Max Heim via Mgs > *Verzonden:* donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 > *Aan:* Michael MacLean > *CC:* MGs > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare > > I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column > have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn > signal harness. > > It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the > common grounds are. > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > > wrote: > > In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when > the headlights were turned on.? Someone mentioned that the tach > was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the > instrument.? That turned out to be true, somewhat.? To test this I > pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see > in the picture.? One arrow points to the ground connection on the > back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground > just floating around behind the instrument.? For an experiment I > slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud > of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily > to find out about the missing ground theory.? It worked!? You > didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?? The light had > not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping > and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the > tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait > there's more!? After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on > the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the > steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light > comes on.? I just love electrical problems.? Not in my element > here.? Any ideas? > > Mike MacLean > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Thu Jan 16 14:27:04 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:27:04 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] FW: Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <000001d5ccb3$b306b070$19141150$@ranteer.com> IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own wiring harness. I did that on a 67. I followed the wiring diagram, used the correct colors, but - I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think - its been a while). Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly. The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc. took my untold hours to figure it out. Wiring is actually simple - power to fuse to switch to device to ground. That's it. Pretty much everything follows that. Do the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it. From: Mgs On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson via Mgs Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare Hello folks, I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a novice. When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original". There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "point to point". He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form him. It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc. So that's what I have in my GT. Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing confusion. It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof. Probably no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself. I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !! Barrie. On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job. It looks, like the car has been exposed to "nature" for many times. This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. So besides true fault finding, I'd dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned. Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. So get a matching electrical diagram of the car's built year. The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. Hope this helps for the long term. Cheers, Hans '71 BGT Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 Aan: Michael MacLean CC: MGs Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory. It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00007.txt URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Jan 16 15:04:03 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:04:03 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] FW: Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: <000001d5ccb3$b306b070$19141150$@ranteer.com> References: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> <000001d5ccb3$b306b070$19141150$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: That?s admirable, but let?s keep this in perspective. There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper is good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults. It?s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let?s not intimidate the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. Going through the connections is something that can be done a little at a time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in a few places ? if you pull them one at a time there is less chance of misconnection. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs wrote: > > IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own wiring harness. I did that on a 67. I followed the wiring diagram, used the correct colors, but ? I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think ? its been a while). Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly. The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc. took my untold hours to figure it out. > > Wiring is actually simple - power to fuse to switch to device to ground. That?s it. Pretty much everything follows that. Do the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it. > > From: Mgs > On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson via Mgs > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare > > Hello folks, > > I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a novice. When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original". There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "point to point". He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form him. It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc. So that's what I have in my GT. Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing confusion. It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof. Probably no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself. > > I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !! > > Barrie. > > On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: >> >> Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job. >> It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times. >> This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. >> So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned. >> Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. >> Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. >> I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore. >> >> So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year. >> The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. >> >> Hope this helps for the long term. >> >> Cheers, >> Hans >> ?71 BGT >> >> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net ] Namens Max Heim via Mgs >> Verzonden: donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 >> Aan: Michael MacLean >> CC: MGs >> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare >> >> I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness. >> >> It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are. >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: >>> >>> In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on. Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture. One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument. For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory. It worked! You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more! After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? >>> Mike MacLean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Barrie On 1/16/2020 5:04 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > That?s admirable, but let?s keep this in perspective. > > There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper > is good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, > except maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty > hot. The cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with > electrical faults. > > It?s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of > the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let?s not intimidate > the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. Going > through the connections is something that can be done a little at a > time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, > pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered > in a few places ? if you pull them one at a time there is less chance > of misconnection. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs > > wrote: >> >> IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your >> own wiring harness.? I did that on a 67.? I followed the wiring >> diagram, used the correct colors, but ? I put in a 10 fuse fuse box >> (I think ? its been a while). Everything has its own fuse sized >> accordingly.? The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.? took >> my untold hours to figure it out. >> Wiring is actually simple - power to fuse to switch to device to >> ground.? That?s it.? Pretty much everything follows that.? Do the >> circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold >> everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it. >> *From:*Mgs > >*On Behalf Of*Barrie Robinson via Mgs >> *Sent:*Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM >> *To:*mgs at autox.team.net >> *Subject:*Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare >> >> Hello folks, >> >> I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I >> am a novice.? When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it >> bullet proof even if it meant not being "original".? There is a chap, >> whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness >> design which was "point to point". He was a big time engineer in >> Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form >> him.?? It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc >> etc.?? So that's what I have in my GT.?? Bags of fuses and there are >> no branches causing confusion.??? It is not original true, but then >> it is bulletproof.?? Probably no more expensive than buying a harness >> from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself. >> >> I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 >> outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !! >> >> Barrie. >> >> On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: >>> Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough >>> wiring job. >>> It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times. >>> This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad. >>> So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all >>> contacts cleaned. >>> Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects. >>> Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad. >>> I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any >>> electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and >>> starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed >>> anymore. >>> So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year. >>> The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out. >>> Hope this helps for the long term. >>> Cheers, >>> Hans >>> ?71 BGT >>> *Van:*Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]*Namens*Max Heim via Mgs >>> *Verzonden:*donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 >>> *Aan:*Michael MacLean >>> *CC:*MGs >>> *Onderwerp:*Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare >>> I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column >>> have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn >>> signal harness. >>> It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the >>> common grounds are. >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs >>>> > wrote: >>>> In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when >>>> the headlights were turned on.? Someone mentioned that the tach was >>>> looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument. >>>> That turned out to be true, somewhat. To test this I pulled the >>>> instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the >>>> picture.? One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of >>>> the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just >>>> floating around behind the instrument.? For an experiment I slipped >>>> the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the >>>> case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find >>>> out about the missing ground theory.? It worked!? You didn't think >>>> it was going to be that easy did you?? The light had not >>>> illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and >>>> sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach >>>> that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's >>>> more!? After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test >>>> drive.? Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering >>>> wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes >>>> on.? I just love electrical problems.? Not in my element here.? Any >>>> ideas? >>>> Mike MacLean >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Thu Jan 16 15:27:08 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] FW: Electrical Nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <003501d5cca4$e5d322e0$b17968a0$@planet.nl> <000001d5ccb3$b306b070$19141150$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <1805636534.156731.1579213628876@mail.yahoo.com> When I restored my Bugeye from the ground up I installed a new wiring harness.? I had a very good wiring diagram that included what sleeve connector (single or double) went inline.? Along with many, many pictures of concours Bugeyes I managed to get the wiring right the first time.? The one thing I learned was to coat the bullet connectors with Kopr Shield.? Kopr Shield is usually used for anti-seize applications and I did use it on the exhaust bolts also.? The copper infused paste will not harden over time and keeps moisture and corrosion out of the connectors.? I did this 21 years ago to my Bugeye and there have been no electrical problems since then. Mike MacLean https://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Betts-CK-CP8TB-COMPOUND/dp/B002KKW27M On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 2:04:11 PM PST, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: That?s admirable, but let?s keep this in perspective. There is nothing necessarily wrong with 50-year-old wiring. The copper is good, and the insulation is usually in pretty good shape, too, except maybe one or two runs in the engine compartment that get pretty hot. The cloth bundling may be ragged, but that has nothing to do with electrical faults. It?s just corrosion at the junctions, and the physical condition of the female connectors, that are the issues here. Let?s not intimidate the man into thinking he needs to rewire the entire vehicle. Going through the connections is something that can be done a little at a time. Pull one, clean the male leads, smear on some dielectric grease, pop on a new female connector if warranted. They tend to be clustered in a few places ? if you pull them one at a time there is less chance of misconnection. --Max Heim'66 MGB On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:27 PM, dave via Mgs wrote: IF you are willing to put in the time and effort, you can build your own wiring harness.? I did that on a 67.? I followed the wiring diagram, used the correct colors, but ? I put in a 10 fuse fuse box (I think ? its been a while).? Everything has its own fuse sized accordingly.? The lights, horns, blinkers, electric fan, etc.? took my untold hours to figure it out. ?Wiring is actually simple -? power to fuse to switch to device to ground.? That?s it.? Pretty much everything follows that.? Do the circuits one at a time and it will be easy, use twist ties to hold everything together, then tie wraps, then cut those off and wrap it. ?From:?Mgs ?On Behalf Of?Barrie Robinson via Mgs Sent:?Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:06 PM To:?mgs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare ? Hello folks, I feel oh sort of superior! An unusual feeling in the MG world as I am a novice.? When I built my MGB GT V8 I was determined to make it bullet proof even if it meant not being "original".? There is a chap, whose name escapes me, who put out an electrical wiring harness design which was "point to point".?? He was a big time engineer in Triumph so I followed his design and actually bought parts form him.?? It had a central "control box" with solenoids, fuses etc etc.?? So that's what I have in my GT.?? Bags of fuses and there are no branches causing confusion.??? It is not original true, but then it is bulletproof.?? Probably no more expensive than buying a harness from British Wiring or others if you do it yourself. I have his article, complete with diagrams, from the British V8 outfit which was pure MGs but now any Brit V8 !! Barrie. On 1/16/2020 2:41 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: ?Looking to your picture, I think it is better to do a thorough wiring job.?It looks, like the car has been exposed to ?nature? for many times.?This means, a lot of contacts are suspect of being poor or bad.?So besides true fault finding, I?d dismantle all wiring and get all contacts cleaned.Clean all bullet connectors and replace all their interconnects.Clean all other connectors and replace these when they are bad.I did this with my BGT in 1996 and after that job I never had any electrical failures, besides a faulty alternator (diode pack) and starter solenoid, where the nut did not keep the 12 V wires fixed anymore.??So get a matching electrical diagram of the car?s built year.The Haynes MGB manual always helped me out.?Hope this helps for the long term.?Cheers,Hans?71 BGT?Van:?Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]?Namens?Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden:?donderdag 16 januari 2020 20:20 Aan:?Michael MacLean CC:?MGs Onderwerp:?Re: [Mgs] Electrical Nightmare?I think you still have a ground problem. Should the steering column have a separate ground wire on a 69? I know there is one in the turn signal harness.?It does help to consult the wiring diagram, to figure out where the common grounds are.??--Max Heim'66 MGB? On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:?In an earlier post I told how my tach in my 69 GT would die when the headlights were turned on.? Someone mentioned that the tach was looking for a ground through the light wiring for the instrument.? That turned out to be true, somewhat.? To test this I pulled the instrument to inspect the wiring and found what you see in the picture.? One arrow points to the ground connection on the back of the case and the other arrow points to a common ground just floating around behind the instrument.? For an experiment I slipped the ground wire connector over the threaded mouting stud of the case back and shoved the tach back into place temporarily to find out about the missing ground theory.? It worked!? You didn't think it was going to be that easy did you?? The light had not illuminated the instrument before either, so after scraping and sanding the bulb hlder and the tube fitting on the back of the tach that the bulb shoves into, the light worked too, but wait there's more!? After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive.? Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on.? I just love electrical problems.? Not in my element here.? Any ideas?Mike MacLean_______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive:?http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs?http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net ? _______________________________________________ ?Mgs at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation? $12.75 ?Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive ?Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net ? _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate:?http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive:?http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs?http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe:?http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrengineer.mike at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At the horn terminals you should see 12v on both the purple and purple terminals of the horn, leave all wiring connected to their terminals. When the horn button is pressed, on a working circuit, the purple terminal will stay at 12v whereas the purple/black terminal will drop to zero volts. With a non-working horn if the purple drops to zero then the problem lies back towards the fusebox, bad connections at the fuses and the spades are not uncommon. But if both terminals stay at 12v then the problem lies back towards the horn button. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... After this hollow victory I had to use the horn on the test drive. Now the horn does not work, but when I push on the steering wheel stalk to activate the horn, the brake warning light comes on. I just love electrical problems. Not in my element here. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thgun at comporium.net Fri Jan 17 07:32:55 2020 From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 09:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgb windshield Message-ID: <3BE163F4-6D27-4579-9809-324475959FFF@comporium.net> How can I tell the year of a windshield I have? Sent from my iPhone X From mvheim at sonic.net Fri Jan 17 11:01:14 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:01:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Mgb windshield In-Reply-To: <3BE163F4-6D27-4579-9809-324475959FFF@comporium.net> References: <3BE163F4-6D27-4579-9809-324475959FFF@comporium.net> Message-ID: ??? I would be very surprised if there were any differences. Except the GT is different from the roadster, of course. For example, the Moss catalog doesn?t break them out by year. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Gunderson via Mgs wrote: > > How can I tell the year of a windshield I have? > > Sent from my iPhone X > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Fri Jan 17 11:20:15 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Mgb windshield In-Reply-To: References: <3BE163F4-6D27-4579-9809-324475959FFF@comporium.net> Message-ID: <864306246.345371.1579285215615@mail.yahoo.com> Up to 1973 the windscreen glass was supplied by Triplex.? Triplex has a system of date coding etched into the glass.? After 1973 the glass was sourced bu other European companies and I cannot help with dating that stuff. Triplex Window Date Code : How-To Library : The MG Experience | | | | | | | | | | | Triplex Window Date Code : How-To Library : The MG Experience Library Article: If your car has the original Triplex windows, you can read the date code and estimate when your... | | | Mike MacLean On Friday, January 17, 2020, 10:01:20 AM PST, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: ??? I would be very surprised if there were any differences. Except the GT is different from the roadster, of course. For example, the Moss catalog doesn?t break them out by year. --Max Heim'66 MGB On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Thomas Gunderson via Mgs wrote: How can I tell the year of a windshield I have? 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URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sat Jan 18 02:00:57 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:00:57 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Mgb windshield References: <3BE163F4-6D27-4579-9809-324475959FFF@comporium.net> Message-ID: The direct answer to your question is that manufacturers often put a date code as part of their logo, and this can be deciphered, more information here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/misctext.htm#glass If your glass is other than Triplex try Googling ' date codes' But then, you may mean something completely different ... PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > How can I tell the year of a windshield I have? > From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sat Jan 18 02:28:43 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:28:43 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Trip Meter Reset Cable Assy References: <173620688.590683.1579331204540.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <173620688.590683.1579331204540@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A0208538A1C4F0C83244E10E38D1DF1@paul> Google throws up loads from eBay and the usual suppliers, but whether they have the right one is another matter. The other obvious source to try is a speedo repairer. However mine (SN6144/23A) just sticks out of a hole in the case, the only attachment is to the odometer mechanism itself http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/speedorep11.jpg If that's broken you may have bigger problems. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Anyone know where to get a trip Meter reset cable assembly for a 1969 MGB GT. Today I pulled the speedo out for rebuild because the odometer does not work. I found out why the trip Meter would not reset. The cable assembly fell out of the back of the speedo case. The part that locks into the case is broken so it will not stay put. I don't see this part in any of the catalogs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Sat Jan 18 08:21:51 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Trip Meter Reset Cable Assy In-Reply-To: <2A0208538A1C4F0C83244E10E38D1DF1@paul> References: <173620688.590683.1579331204540.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <173620688.590683.1579331204540@mail.yahoo.com> <2A0208538A1C4F0C83244E10E38D1DF1@paul> Message-ID: <95e805ce-78b7-c79d-028b-0a906cde5d9d@bell.net> Hello folks, There are always lots of gauges at the Ancaster flea market - June I think.?? One would think that there is a usable one there. ?? Please remember that if you need those rubber O-rings for dash and/or glass, i have them all !!? Even have the square ones for Austin Healeys.??? My oath, I hate being commercial on this enthusiast's? mechanism but it's more of a hobby than a get rich quick ploy. Cheers Barrie On 1/18/2020 4:28 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > ? > Google throws up loads from eBay and the usual suppliers, but whether > they have the right one is another matter.? The other obvious source > to try is a speedo repairer. > However mine (SN6144/23A) just sticks out of a hole in the case, the > only attachment is to the odometer mechanism itself > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/speedorep11.jpg > If that's broken you may have bigger problems. > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Anyone know where to get a trip Meter reset cable assembly for a > 1969 MGB GT.? Today I pulled the speedo out for rebuild because > the odometer does not work.? I found out why the trip Meter would > not reset.? The cable assembly fell out of the back of the speedo > case.? The part that locks into the case is broken so it will not > stay put.? I don't see this part in any of the catalogs. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Sat Jan 18 12:05:36 2020 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:05:36 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Trip Meter Reset Cable Assy In-Reply-To: <173620688.590683.1579331204540@mail.yahoo.com> References: <173620688.590683.1579331204540.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <173620688.590683.1579331204540@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've got the same issue. This seems like a good problem to solve with 3d printing. I lost the parts from mine years ago. If you still have the parts, then you can probably get it reproduced. Andrew On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 12:07 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Anyone know where to get a trip Meter reset cable assembly for a 1969 MGB > GT. Today I pulled the speedo out for rebuild because the odometer does > not work. I found out why the trip Meter would not reset. The cable > assembly fell out of the back of the speedo case. The part that locks into > the case is broken so it will not stay put. I don't see this part in any > of the catalogs. > Mike MacLean > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Tue Jan 21 10:28:35 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Indicator References: <742079220.2015134.1579627715574.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <742079220.2015134.1579627715574@mail.yahoo.com> Can someone tell me how the turn signal indicator comes apart behind the dash of my 69?? I need to change a bulb.? I tried pulling it apart, but it won't budge maybe because it has been together for 50 years.? Where does it come apart to expose the bulb?? What size/type bulb is in there?Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Jan 21 11:31:10 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:31:10 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Indicator In-Reply-To: <742079220.2015134.1579627715574@mail.yahoo.com> References: <742079220.2015134.1579627715574.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <742079220.2015134.1579627715574@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1605799E-F42A-4249-8452-2CD2F757A55D@sonic.net> I don?t want to steer you wrong, as all of my experience is with steel dash cars, but I would suspect that the socket assembly is a press fit into a circular hole in a bracket behind the dash. It is similar to how the bulb sockets snap into the back of the tach or speedo housing. So it may have corrosion holding it in place, but it should come loose after rocking it to break the adhesion. Then, when the socket is dangling by its wires, you can easily change the bulb (ha ha, that is, if you find laying on your back in the footwell ?easy?). -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 21, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > Can someone tell me how the turn signal indicator comes apart behind the dash of my 69? I need to change a bulb. I tried pulling it apart, but it won't budge maybe because it has been together for 50 years. Where does it come apart to expose the bulb? What size/type bulb is in there? > Mike MacLean > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 07:11:31 2020 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:11:31 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Starters Message-ID: Hey friends, Long time, no type. *Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters?* If so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start it. Rick, in Houston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Wed Jan 22 08:06:29 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] High torque starters Message-ID: <89e86b0b-d893-dc93-c54e-95379743e590@bell.net> Hello Rick, I have had several high torque starters on my MGB GT V8 which has a 3.5L Rover V8 motor.?? I went through several as they kept on breaking - about 3 I think.??? They are great but the lesson I learnt was to get one from a bullet proof supplier. My first ones were from a local "well established" outfit whose source of these things was suspect.??? They do work well but cheap ones are not a good idea.? But "clicking" is also a sign of a dead battery - yes?? But obviously you have checked that.??? I recently put a Pioneer car radio in my MGB.?? Found that my battery went flat after about 6 days.? After messing about trying to find the cause I discovered that the Pioneer polled the computer in the car - BUT as my MGB has no computer it continuously polled looking for a computer...until the battery went flat !!! Brilliant today's technology !!! Incidentally, not sure what advantage one gets when one has a "high torque" starter - My car used to start fine with the old grunt one !!!???? Regards Barrie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Jan 22 07:57:17 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:57:17 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Starters References: Message-ID: <6BFEBEA2A46E4C458A0E81360854A70C@paul> Yes and no. Fitted it and turned the key and just got a whirr, heart sank as it sounded like the pinion wasn't engaging ... then the engine burst into life! They really do fulfil all the claims made for them - less load on the battery, faster cranking, easier starting and less noise. The only down-side is the cost being about three times that for a standard starter for the MGB at least. The problem I had was it was an early one and the starter was only attached to the adapter plate with three self-tappers and some super-glue! Needless to say it came apart in about a week and I replaced it with a conventional. You do have to be careful with the term 'hi-torque' though. Some vendors use this term for a modern version of a NON-geared starter. They are slightly better all round than the originals but not as good as the geared. However for the MGB in the UK they are even cheaper than a rebuilt original as they are used on dozens of makes and models. With geared starters the solenoid is huge and in line with the pinion - look for the battery cable stud, it is the motor that is on the side and not much bigger. With non-geared hi-torque the motor is in line with the pinion as normal, but smaller, and the solenoid is on the side and much smaller but about the same size as on the original starters. You also have to check the number of pinion teeth is compatible, and a pre-engaged 'push' starter can be used to replace an inertia starter on the MGB at least. One thing if you have a ballasted ignition system is does an alternative starter have the correct bypass contact on the solenoid? Geared tend not to, non-geared tend to. It's not a show-stopper, and alternative arrangements can be made if you need it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters? If so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 22 09:08:29 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 16:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Starters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <381136268.17839559.1579709309902@mail.yahoo.com> I used one in my '65 E-Type, and it worked great.? Never had a problem and spun the engine much faster than the stock starter.? The old starter makes a good display item for your workshop.? I'll never use another one in the car.? I also used one in my TR-4 race car (13:1 compression ratio) and my TR-3A street car.? Never a problem with any of them.? I bought mine from Ted Schumacher at TS Imported Parts in Pandora, OH. Jack Jack On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 9:12:07 AM EST, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: Hey friends,? ?Long time, no type.? ?Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters? If so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start it. Rick, in Houston_______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Thu Jan 23 11:14:10 2020 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:14:10 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Starters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01d5d218$eb4121e0$c1c365a0$@planet.nl> Hi Rick, I saw all the earlier replies. Still it is good to be sure, that the battery is not low. My BGT once had a faulty alternator, where there were leaky diodes. I measured a continuous current when the engine was shut off and all electricity users also were switched off. So the alternator has been overhauled and a new diode pack was the solution. I also once had a worn thread where the battery line was connected to the starter solenoid. This caused poor connections and a click was the result, where the battery was not flat. A replacement solenoid solved this issue. Hope you can find the solution. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs Verzonden: woensdag 22 januari 2020 15:12 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net List Onderwerp: [Mgs] Starters Hey friends, Long time, no type. Have any of you used the high torque gear reduction starters? If so, happy with them. My E-Type has decided to 'click' rather than start. The classic whack with a hammer hasn't helped. And since it's its an automatic, I can't roll-start it. Rick, in Houston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Sun Jan 26 11:49:35 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] NOS Speedo Angle Drive References: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> Recently I won a NOS speedometer angle drive to replace the old one on my 69 GT.? The instrument was pulled recently for a rebuild due to the odometer not working.? Probably my fault, but I was looking for a way to lubricate the old angle drive and removed the slotted cover by turning it with a large screwdriver.? I did not notice that it was staked in place and not threaded into the angle drive body.? Inside I found nylon worn gears that looked a little worn, but still serviceable.? When I could not figure out how to re-stake the slotted cover I just turned to Ebay.? I won an auction for an NOS angle drive for less than the Moss price.? I thought I beat the system, but found out that there was a problem.? I guess after a number of years the lubrication hardens up.? To turn the gears I need to use needle nose pliers.? There is a lot of resistance to turn it.? Any idea how to loosen this up?? I put it in the oven at 200 degrees for 10 minutes to try to soften the hardened grease, but no success.? Or should I just spring for the Moss angle drive?Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From difejo1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 12:24:24 2020 From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] NOS Speedo Angle Drive In-Reply-To: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DE4ADC4-6142-4FF7-91E1-D42A20D29761@gmail.com> Soak it in kerosene to soften and remove the old grease, then re grease with fresh Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > ?Recently I won a NOS speedometer angle drive to replace the old one on my 69 GT. The instrument was pulled recently for a rebuild due to the odometer not working. Probably my fault, but I was looking for a way to lubricate the old angle drive and removed the slotted cover by turning it with a large screwdriver. I did not notice that it was staked in place and not threaded into the angle drive body. Inside I found nylon worn gears that looked a little worn, but still serviceable. When I could not figure out how to re-stake the slotted cover I just turned to Ebay. I won an auction for an NOS angle drive for less than the Moss price. I thought I beat the system, but found out that there was a problem. I guess after a number of years the lubrication hardens up. To turn the gears I need to use needle nose pliers. There is a lot of resistance to turn it. Any idea how to loosen this up? I put it in the oven at 200 degrees for 10 minutes to try to soften the hardened grease, but no success. Or should I just spring for the Moss angle drive? > Mike MacLean > > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/difejo1 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Jan 27 02:00:48 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:00:48 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] NOS Speedo Angle Drive References: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> <2DE4ADC4-6142-4FF7-91E1-D42A20D29761@gmail.com> Message-ID: <912E63F74EF84A86BE8DBC2949177AC8@paul> Agree, or any penetrating fluid until it turns freely. But getting fresh grease in may present you with the same problem as before. ----- Original Message ----- Soak it in kerosene to soften and remove the old grease, then re grease with fresh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Jan 27 06:25:47 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] NOS Speedo Angle Drive In-Reply-To: <912E63F74EF84A86BE8DBC2949177AC8@paul> References: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> <2DE4ADC4-6142-4FF7-91E1-D42A20D29761@gmail.com> <912E63F74EF84A86BE8DBC2949177AC8@paul> Message-ID: <394690562.938324.1580131547459@mail.yahoo.com> Before trying to dis-assemble this NOS drive unit, on a hunch, I applied several drops of Microil by Kano Labs.? Kano makes Kroil also.? Microil is a super light lubricating oil for instrument mechanisms and light machinery.? I thought it might penetrate the inlet and outlet of the drive without taking it apart.? After a couple of applications the angle drive now turns freely.? Thanks everyone for all the suggestions.? Now I'm just wondering if this thin oil will be sufficient to put it in service.? I can't think of another way to lubricate it without opening it up.Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:26 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: Agree, or any penetrating fluid until it turns freely.? But getting fresh grease in may present you with the same problem as before. ----- Original Message ----- Soak it in kerosene to soften and remove the old grease, then re grease with fresh? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Jan 27 06:57:08 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:57:08 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] NOS Speedo Angle Drive References: <1327153066.604460.1580064575870@mail.yahoo.com> <2DE4ADC4-6142-4FF7-91E1-D42A20D29761@gmail.com> <912E63F74EF84A86BE8DBC2949177AC8@paul> <394690562.938324.1580131547459@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96CF6CE1E7C549E7AE00950ABC769F1F@paul> There's no great load on it especially at the speedo end, but one can't help thinking that if it had grease originally, it needs it. Try some thicker oil now the thin stuff has penetrated, and see if that will sink it as you turn it. But what have you got to lose? You were contemplating buying another anyway, run this until it breaks. ----- Original Message ----- ... Now I'm just wondering if this thin oil will be sufficient to put it in service. I can't think of another way to lubricate it without opening it up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Jan 27 11:19:38 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Tires References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years.? My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires.? Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all over.? They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires.? What size should I be looking for?? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month?Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.dibiase at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 11:34:11 2020 From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I generally go for the least expensive option when it comes to tires, especially for a car that I'm not using as a daily driver. You can easily fir 175's on the car, and probably 185's as well (I have those on the '76B which, granted, has a slightly higher ride height than your '69). I would probably go with 175s. Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for > many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. > I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make > SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The > sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't > help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any > tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that > won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? > Mike MacLean > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at ece.rochester.edu Mon Jan 27 11:48:11 2020 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> Mike, I have been using 175-70 14 on my 74 gt with wire wheels . since the original 165r-14 are no longer. It is as close to the size that is available. paul On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs > wrote: Mike, I generally go for the least expensive option when it comes to tires, especially for a car that I'm not using as a daily driver. You can easily fir 175's on the car, and probably 185's as well (I have those on the '76B which, granted, has a slightly higher ride height than your '69). I would probably go with 175s. Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=kTQENg6hMAw-eoQOWAc0aSQ2eO7r-fwIGgmRo3OGE7o&e= Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=TIJI_Hv4hAZoukGGlcd2TZkRP-PPfUMmpqlC9ajmdXM&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=S0Gv3I_PJim5HShn1bGp_taO6V8U3Rs7IYk0sOIBmos&e= Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=5FuhG-oTmfHwVwb9bA8HVSWqD_ixTVEYzg4zVcQq374&e= Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Jan 27 11:56:28 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 10:56:28 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <739781DC-A5F7-4B39-B5F5-A251F807C41B@sonic.net> I found a good deal at Vulcan Tire a few years ago. The ones I bought don't seem to be available, but they still have some reasonable sounding tires in that size. https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/tiresearch.cgi?p1=175&p2=%2F70&p3=R14 175/70-14 Performance Touring All Season for $48. High Performance Summer $71 -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs wrote: > > Mike, > > I have been using 175-70 14 on my 74 gt with wire wheels . since the original 165r-14 are no longer. It is as close to the size that is available. > > paul > >> On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs > wrote: >> >> Mike, I generally go for the least expensive option when it comes to tires, especially for a car that I'm not using as a daily driver. You can easily fir 175's on the car, and probably 185's as well (I have those on the '76B which, granted, has a slightly higher ride height than your '69). I would probably go with 175s. >> >> Dan D >> '76B, '65B >> Central NJ USA >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: >> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >> Mike MacLean >> >> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=kTQENg6hMAw-eoQOWAc0aSQ2eO7r-fwIGgmRo3OGE7o&e= >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=TIJI_Hv4hAZoukGGlcd2TZkRP-PPfUMmpqlC9ajmdXM&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=S0Gv3I_PJim5HShn1bGp_taO6V8U3Rs7IYk0sOIBmos&e= >> >> Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=5FuhG-oTmfHwVwb9bA8HVSWqD_ixTVEYzg4zVcQq374&e= > >> Paul Osborne >> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng >> University of Rochester >> 201 Hopeman Building RC >> Rochester NY 14627 > 585-275-5226 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Mon Jan 27 13:00:12 2020 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 21:00:12 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <006701d5d54c$655b9830$3012c890$@planet.nl> My BGT is equipped with 185 SR 14 on chromed wire wheels. Works well for almost 20 years now. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Osborne, Paul via Mgs Verzonden: maandag 27 januari 2020 19:48 Aan: Dan DiBiase CC: MGs Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Tires Mike, I have been using 175-70 14 on my 74 gt with wire wheels . since the original 165r-14 are no longer. It is as close to the size that is available. paul On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote: Mike, I generally go for the least expensive option when it comes to tires, especially for a car that I'm not using as a daily driver. You can easily fir 175's on the car, and probably 185's as well (I have those on the '76B which, granted, has a slightly higher ride height than your '69). I would probably go with 175s. Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? Mike MacLean Sent from AT &T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html &d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aG q-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=kT QENg6hMAw-eoQOWAc0aSQ2eO7r-fwIGgmRo3OGE7o&e= Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_m gs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0 aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s= TIJI_Hv4hAZoukGGlcd2TZkRP-PPfUMmpqlC9ajmdXM&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d =DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq- Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=S0Gv 3I_PJim5HShn1bGp_taO6V8U3Rs7IYk0sOIBmos&e= Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_o ptions_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl 9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe 0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=5FuhG-oTmfHwVwb9bA8HVSWqD_ixTVEYzg4zVcQq374 &e= Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Mon Jan 27 13:03:29 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <739781DC-A5F7-4B39-B5F5-A251F807C41B@sonic.net> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <30047D7C-A451-45A6-AECE-0535C68C8A11@ur.rochester.edu> <739781DC-A5F7-4B39-B5F5-A251F807C41B@sonic.net> Message-ID: Try Blockley Tyres - The bloke is a car nut and makes safety no.1 - He supplies super inner tubes and insists they be used.?? I have all on my being restored Aston and they were very competitive. Barrie On 1/27/2020 1:56 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > I found a good deal at Vulcan Tire a few years ago. The ones I bought > don't seem to be available, but they still have some reasonable > sounding tires in that size. > > https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/tiresearch.cgi?p1=175&p2=%2F70&p3=R14 > > > 175/70-14 Performance Touring All Season for $48. > High Performance Summer $71 > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs >> > wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >> I have been using 175-70 14 on my 74 gt with wire wheels . since the >> original 165r-14 are no longer. ? It is as close to the size that is >> available. >> >> paul >> >>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mike, I generally go for the least expensive option when it comes to >>> tires, especially for a car that I'm not using as a daily driver. >>> You can easily fir 175's on the car, and probably?185's as well (I >>> have those on the '76B which, granted, has a slightly higher ride >>> height than your '69). I would probably go with 175s. >>> >>> Dan D >>> '76B, '65B >>> Central NJ USA >>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned >>> an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR >>> 14 tires on it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these >>> tires.? Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty >>> sure these tires are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all >>> over.? They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how >>> much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires.? What >>> size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that >>> won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=kTQENg6hMAw-eoQOWAc0aSQ2eO7r-fwIGgmRo3OGE7o&e= >>> >>> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >>> >>> Archive: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=TIJI_Hv4hAZoukGGlcd2TZkRP-PPfUMmpqlC9ajmdXM&e= >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=S0Gv3I_PJim5HShn1bGp_taO6V8U3Rs7IYk0sOIBmos&e= >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=Hv0xYkUbC--fe0Vy8YPvvozif6OM_JisWk6V9MJgdHc&s=5FuhG-oTmfHwVwb9bA8HVSWqD_ixTVEYzg4zVcQq374&e= >>> >> >>> Paul?Osborne >>> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng >>> University of Rochester >>> 201 Hopeman Building RC >>> Rochester NY 14627 >>> >> ?585-275-5226 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Mon Jan 27 13:13:47 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76292e13-8c79-85e3-586f-525282657d6e@bell.net> Peanut butter??? So rich !! On 1/27/2020 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG > for many years.? My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on > it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires.? Does > Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty sure these tires > are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all over.? They are holding > for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be > with new tires, any tires.? What size should I be looking for?? Any > suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter > sandwiches for the next month? > Mike MacLean > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Jan 27 13:15:42 2020 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:15:42 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For very good value for the money, I like Nexen SB802 All-Season Radial Tire - 165/80R15 87T $60 from Amazon with free 4-5 day shipping. $60 from Walmart with free 2-day shipping, or have them shipped to your nearest Walmart superstore for installation. Avoid Nankang tires, at least in this size. Latteral grip is not too bad, but directional stability is terrible, have you wandering all over the road, needing constant attention to keep in your traffic lane, even worse if the road surface is not flat. I had to buy two of those when I was in Alaska, started out on the front but quickly moved them to the rear axle as a matter of safety. Gremax Capturar CF2 165/80/15 tires are good. Found those in Canada. They have the best directional stability of any tire I ever driven, even on the "W" roads (deply worn in the tracks from snow studs and tire chains). Vredestein Sprint Classic 165HR15 86H and Blockley 165VR15 86V 4PR are good (for more money). Bias ply tires are strictly for show cars, not for any spirited driving. Settle for nothing less than Traction "A" in the UTOG rating. $0..03, Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude (and 600,000 miles) http://MGAguru.com At 01:19 PM 1/27/2020, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: >I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an >MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 >tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these >tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure >these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all >over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much >better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size >should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have >me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Jan 27 13:18:08 2020 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: Tires Message-ID: Oops, sorry. Didn't notice you were looking for 14" tires. >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:15:42 -0500 >To: "rrengineer.mike at att.net" , MGs > >From: Barney Gaylord >Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tires > >For very good value for the money, I like >Nexen SB802 All-Season Radial Tire - 165/80R15 87T >$60 from Amazon with free 4-5 day shipping. >$60 from Walmart with free 2-day shipping, or have them shipped to >your nearest Walmart superstore for installation. > >Avoid Nankang tires, at least in this size. Latteral grip is not >too bad, but directional stability is terrible, have you wandering >all over the road, needing constant attention to keep in your >traffic lane, even worse if the road surface is not flat. I had to >buy two of those when I was in Alaska, started out on the front but >quickly moved them to the rear axle as a matter of safety. > >Gremax Capturar CF2 165/80/15 tires are good. Found those in >Canada. They have the best directional stability of any tire I ever >driven, even on the "W" roads (deply worn in the tracks from snow >studs and tire chains). > >Vredestein Sprint Classic 165HR15 86H and Blockley 165VR15 86V 4PR >are good (for more money). Bias ply tires are strictly for show >cars, not for any spirited driving. Settle for nothing less than >Traction "A" in the UTOG rating. > >$0..03, > >Barney Gaylord >1958 MGA with an attitude (and 600,000 miles) >http://MGAguru.com > > >At 01:19 PM 1/27/2020, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: >>I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an >>MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 >>tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these >>tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty >>sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all >>over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how >>much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size >>should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't >>have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >>Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Jan 27 14:20:24 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 21:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> What about Walmart brand (Douglas) tires?? Made by Goodyear, all season and only $45 each.Mike MacLean On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad wrote: ? ?Tire Rack is worth a look. ?Vriedstein, Dunlop, others come up on their site with 175x14, which most find best for the GT.?? ?Unless you are anticipating spirited driving, _any_ radial today is better than tires available back in the day.Bob On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years.? My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires.? Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all over.? They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires.? What size should I be looking for?? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month?Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Mon Jan 27 15:32:13 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:32:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9614a62c-e89a-f359-d25b-909b6a3852a5@bell.net> Remember that Walmart's strength was getting quality products cheaper.?? That may work for thinks like razors where gimmicks do not help cutting you beard.....one has a light on it - duh ?? But for tyres hmmmm? Barrie On 1/27/2020 4:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > What about Walmart brand (Douglas) tires?? Made by Goodyear, all > season and only $45 each. > Mike MacLean > > On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad > wrote: > > > ? ?Tire Rack is worth a look. ?Vriedstein, Dunlop, others come up on > their site with 175x14, which most find best for the GT. > ? ?Unless you are anticipating spirited driving, _any_ radial today is > better than tires available back in the day. > Bob > > > On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > > wrote: > >> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an >> MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires >> on it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires.? Does >> Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty sure these tires >> are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all over.? They are >> holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride >> would be with new tires, any tires.? What size should I be looking >> for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut >> butter sandwiches for the next month? >> Mike MacLean >> >> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Jan 27 15:37:14 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:37:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <9614a62c-e89a-f359-d25b-909b6a3852a5@bell.net> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> <9614a62c-e89a-f359-d25b-909b6a3852a5@bell.net> Message-ID: <64BE3650-AA92-45C6-8C6A-29232A330D5A@sonic.net> I personally choose not to deal with Walmart. But if you are not fussy, for light road use, tires are tires, really. What I would be worried about is letting their installers loose on my MG. I am sure they would not have the slightest idea how to deal with wire wheels, for instance. Steel wheels, i guess you could take a chance. -- Max Heim mvheim at sonic.net > On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote: > > Remember that Walmart's strength was getting quality products cheaper. That may work for thinks like razors where gimmicks do not help cutting you beard.....one has a light on it - duh ? But for tyres hmmmm? > Barrie > > On 1/27/2020 4:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: >> What about Walmart brand (Douglas) tires? Made by Goodyear, all season and only $45 each. >> Mike MacLean >> >> On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad wrote: >> >> >> Tire Rack is worth a look. Vriedstein, Dunlop, others come up on their site with 175x14, which most find best for the GT. >> Unless you are anticipating spirited driving, _any_ radial today is better than tires available back in the day. >> Bob >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: >> >>> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >>> Mike MacLean >>> >>> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Jan 27 15:42:50 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <64BE3650-AA92-45C6-8C6A-29232A330D5A@sonic.net> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> <9614a62c-e89a-f359-d25b-909b6a3852a5@bell.net> <64BE3650-AA92-45C6-8C6A-29232A330D5A@sonic.net> Message-ID: <2124362599.1291581.1580164970878@mail.yahoo.com> I will just buy the tires from Walmart.? I can pay $38 each on line, then there is an installer about an hour away that will mount, balance and provide tubes ($15 ea).? They have been dealing with British Sports cars for 45 years.Mike MacLean On Monday, January 27, 2020, 2:37:22 PM PST, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: I personally choose not to deal with Walmart. But if you are not fussy, for light road use, tires are tires, really. What I would be worried about is letting their installers loose on my MG. I am sure they would not have the slightest idea how to deal with wire wheels, for instance. Steel wheels, i guess you could take a chance. --Max Heimmvheim at sonic.net On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote: Remember that Walmart's strength was getting quality products cheaper.?? That may work for thinks like razors where gimmicks do not help cutting you beard.....one has a light on it - duh ?? But for tyres hmmmm? Barrie On 1/27/2020 4:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: What about Walmart brand (Douglas) tires?? Made by Goodyear, all season and only $45 each. Mike MacLean On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad wrote: ? ?Tire Rack is worth a look. ?Vriedstein, Dunlop, others come up on their site with 175x14, which most find best for the GT.? ? ?Unless you are anticipating spirited driving, _any_ radial today is better than tires available back in the day. Bob On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years.? My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now.? I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires.? Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore?? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old.? The sidewall has tiny cracks all over.? They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires.? What size should I be looking for?? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? Mike MacLean Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrengineer.mike at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Jan 27 15:56:46 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <2124362599.1291581.1580164970878@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1747080370.1105635.1580149178672@mail.yahoo.com> <3931E7F9-687F-47BB-A51F-3D940601901C@gmail.com> <1104292704.1233634.1580160024310@mail.yahoo.com> <9614a62c-e89a-f359-d25b-909b6a3852a5@bell.net> <64BE3650-AA92-45C6-8C6A-29232A330D5A@sonic.net> <2124362599.1291581.1580164970878@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F4B4BC4-BC8D-41E1-9C88-34476BB5EE1B@sonic.net> Well, in that case, someone on MG Experience was just boasting how much he liked his Douglas tires. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Michael MacLean wrote: > > I will just buy the tires from Walmart. I can pay $38 each on line, then there is an installer about an hour away that will mount, balance and provide tubes ($15 ea). They have been dealing with British Sports cars for 45 years. > Mike MacLean > > On Monday, January 27, 2020, 2:37:22 PM PST, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > > I personally choose not to deal with Walmart. But if you are not fussy, for light road use, tires are tires, really. What I would be worried about is letting their installers loose on my MG. I am sure they would not have the slightest idea how to deal with wire wheels, for instance. Steel wheels, i guess you could take a chance. > > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim at sonic.net > > > >> On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Barrie Robinson via Mgs > wrote: >> > > Remember that Walmart's strength was getting quality products cheaper. That may work for thinks like razors where gimmicks do not help cutting you beard.....one has a light on it - duh ? But for tyres hmmmm? > Barrie > > On 1/27/2020 4:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > What about Walmart brand (Douglas) tires? Made by Goodyear, all season and only $45 each. > Mike MacLean > > On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad wrote: > > > Tire Rack is worth a look. Vriedstein, Dunlop, others come up on their site with 175x14, which most find best for the GT. > Unless you are anticipating spirited driving, _any_ radial today is better than tires available back in the day. > Bob > > > On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > >> I know this is going to start a crap storm, but I have not owned an MG for many years. My new to me 69 GT has Dunlop SP 20 165SR 14 tires on it now. I cannot find a date code anywhere in these tires. Does Dunlop still make SP 20 tires anymore? I'm pretty sure these tires are too old. The sidewall has tiny cracks all over. They are holding for now, but I can't help but think how much better the ride would be with new tires, any tires. What size should I be looking for? Any suggestions for a tire that won't have me eating peanut butter sandwiches for the next month? >> Mike MacLean >> >> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrengineer.mike at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably not a good idea to even get into what engine oil to use. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Tue Jan 28 14:43:49 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] mga iris blue paint Message-ID: <000001d5d624$08766040$196320c0$@ranteer.com> According to my painter, the paint codes on mgaguru website for iris blue are not correct, and they are all quite different shades. I suspect they are older maybe? I don't want to get in a discussion of whether they are right, or if my painter is at fault, etc. I just want a recent, hopefully accurate paint code, preferably ppg. Anyway, anyone recently painted a car iris blue and have the paint code? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 115336 bytes Desc: not available URL: From corkandpris at charter.net Tue Jan 28 17:09:41 2020 From: corkandpris at charter.net (CorkandPris) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] mga iris blue paint In-Reply-To: <000001d5d624$08766040$196320c0$@ranteer.com> References: <000001d5d624$08766040$196320c0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Dave, I got this code from a guy with a very pretty Iris Blue MGA.? My painter uses PPG and if memory serves, he said that the code listed was the same as the 3199 listed in your chart. Good luck,?? Corky On 1/28/2020 04:43 PM, dave via Mgs wrote: > > According to my painter, the paint codes on mgaguru website for iris > blue are not correct, and they are all quite different shades. > > I suspect they are older maybe?? I don?t want to get in a discussion > of whether they are right, or if my painter is at fault, etc. > > I just want a recent, hopefully accurate paint code, preferably ppg.? > Anyway, anyone recently painted a car iris blue and have the paint code? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/corkandpris at charter.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:41 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > Seconded. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > No, ZDDP is not necessary in the transmission. Its function in the engine > is to lubricate the tappets. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corkandpris at charter.net Wed Jan 29 05:28:24 2020 From: corkandpris at charter.net (CorkandPris) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 07:28:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] mga iris blue paint In-Reply-To: <001201d5d63d$0f39c110$2dad4330$@ranteer.com> References: <000001d5d624$08766040$196320c0$@ranteer.com> <001201d5d63d$0f39c110$2dad4330$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <59c09b21-b367-8a0e-6704-524508e11f18@charter.net> Dave, Forgot to attach the jpg of the label. Sorry,?? Corky On 1/28/2020 07:43 PM, dave wrote: > > Corky ? > > Thanks for your reply.? Did I miss something?? I don?t see a code > anywhere. > > dave > > *From:* CorkandPris > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 6:10 PM > *To:* dave ; mgs at autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] mga iris blue paint > > Dave, > > I got this code from a guy with a very pretty Iris Blue MGA. My > painter uses PPG and if memory serves, he said that the code listed > was the same as the 3199 listed in your chart. > > Good luck,?? Corky > > On 1/28/2020 04:43 PM, dave via Mgs wrote: > > According to my painter, the paint codes on mgaguru website for > iris blue are not correct, and they are all quite different shades. > > I suspect they are older maybe?? I don?t want to get in a > discussion of whether they are right, or if my painter is at > fault, etc. > > I just want a recent, hopefully accurate paint code, preferably > ppg.? Anyway, anyone recently painted a car iris blue and have the > paint code? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/corkandpris at charter.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 114192 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mga paint code.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 560131 bytes Desc: not available URL: From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Wed Jan 29 05:56:15 2020 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Steve West-Fisher) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 07:56:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Transmission Oil In-Reply-To: <538720098.459477.1580240429881@mail.yahoo.com> References: <538720098.459477.1580240429881.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <538720098.459477.1580240429881@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9eaa1ef9a6451a5356962c5e9cbdb150@coastaldatasystems.com> On 28.01.2020 14:40, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > I know all the manuals say to use 20w-50 motor oil for the > transmission. Most of those manuals were written back when Castrol > GTX 20W-50 was formulated differently. Does the new lower ZDDP content > make a difference in the transmission? I have a regular 4-speed trans > in my 69 GT. The car is new to me and I would like to start from > scratch with all the fluids in the car. Probably not a good idea to > even get into what engine oil to use. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > It's unlikely that any manufacture's 20-50 will have the lower ZDDP - that standard applies to modern oils such as 0-20, or 5-20. Shouldn't make a difference in a transmission anyway. Steve -- Steve West-Fisher N4IK From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Jan 29 07:54:03 2020 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:54:03 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Transmission Oil References: <538720098.459477.1580240429881.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <538720098.459477.1580240429881@mail.yahoo.com> <9eaa1ef9a6451a5356962c5e9cbdb150@coastaldatasystems.com> Message-ID: <976695EB9DE043F4A769A4FBFD18E5BF@paul> In fact the older oils have eventually reduced their ZDDP, even products like GTX and Diesel grades, but still have more than modern formulations. There are specialist oils with higher levels of 1000 to 1200ppm for classics, but as said it's not needed for the gearbox. ----- Original Message ----- > It's unlikely that any manufacture's 20-50 will have the lower ZDDP - that > standard applies to modern oils such as 0-20, or 5-20. Shouldn't make a > difference in a transmission anyway. From rrengineer.mike at att.net Wed Jan 29 23:06:24 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Tires References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires.? Crap.? Now I have to try to take them back.? They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off.? 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Jan 30 00:07:03 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:07:03 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D13129B-F99F-435D-BB6A-9F89C15C4F1E@sonic.net> Um, yeah. Generally speaking, one would want to ascertain the size of wheels one has before purchasing tires. When soliciting advice, it is also prudent to specify what vehicle one is inquiring about. I personally thought you were talking about an MGB. Adding your car to your sig line (see below) helps clarify the situation for everyone. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > Well, I screwed up. Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price. Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999. Wow! The size on the tire was 165R15. Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires. Crap. Now I have to try to take them back. They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them. My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price. A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off. 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter. My head is about explode. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Thu Jan 30 00:20:37 2020 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <9D13129B-F99F-435D-BB6A-9F89C15C4F1E@sonic.net> References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> <9D13129B-F99F-435D-BB6A-9F89C15C4F1E@sonic.net> Message-ID: <886735886.1359462.1580368837314@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry.?Mike MacLean69 MGB GT Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:07 PM, Max Heim wrote: Um, yeah. Generally speaking, one would want to ascertain the size of wheels one has before purchasing tires. When soliciting advice, it is also prudent to specify what vehicle one is inquiring about. I personally thought you were talking about an MGB. Adding your car to your sig line (see below) helps clarify the situation for everyone. -- Max Heim'66 MGB On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires.? Crap.? Now I have to try to take them back.? They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off.? 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 00:58:13 2020 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:58:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I recently did the same thing for my Land Rover. We like to think we're smart but we still make mistakes. And speaking of mistakes, here's what I would do... Look up the original tire size for your car (or see if TireRack has that info). Then calculate the circumference of that tire. For example if the OEM tire is a 165r14 then the diameter is: D = (165?.8?2)/25.4 + 14 The radius is: R = D/2 The circumference is: C = 2xRx3.14159 This is the tire circumfrence, in inches, for which your speedometer is calibrated. If you want to keep that calibration, just reverse the equations above and start poking in numbers from available sizes. I do this in an Excel spreadsheet. WAY easier. Just remember to include the new tire's aspect ratio. Old, unlabeled radials have an aspect ratio of about 0.8, as used above. Rick On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Well, I screwed up. Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas > tires at a great price. Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were > Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999. Wow! The size on the tire was 165R15. > Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web > site I bought 14 inch tires. Crap. Now I have to try to take them back. > They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them. My > question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel > rim? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch > smaller) but not readily available for a decent price. A 185/65 R15 is the > next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops > I am taking off. 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter. My head is > about explode. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From barrob at bell.net Thu Jan 30 07:50:11 2020 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: <886735886.1359462.1580368837314@mail.yahoo.com> References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> <9D13129B-F99F-435D-BB6A-9F89C15C4F1E@sonic.net> <886735886.1359462.1580368837314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello folks, I feel ashamed as I have no problems with circumferences of tyres, speedo models or any such things!?? My speedo AND tach played up and replacements were expensive so in a moment-of-pique I installed Speedhut gauges.? Not original but then my MGB is definitely not original by any means.?? But wonders of wonders - the speedo works off GPS and not even connected to the car ! Total accuracy all the time no matter what tyres.? One of the few modern technologies that actually are a help.? I am still smarting from the installation of a new "modern" Pioneer radio. Barrie MGB GT V8 On 1/30/2020 2:20 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Sorry. > Mike MacLean > 69 MGB GT > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:07 PM, Max Heim > wrote: > Um, yeah. Generally speaking, one would want to ascertain the size > of wheels one has before purchasing tires. > > When soliciting advice, it is also prudent to specify what vehicle > one is inquiring about. > > I personally thought you were talking about an MGB. > > Adding your car to your sig line (see below) helps clarify the > situation for everyone. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs >> > wrote: >> >> Well, I screwed up.? Reading the MG Experience forums I bought >> Douglas tires at a great price.? Taking off the old tires tonight >> I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999.? Wow!? The size on >> the tire was 165R15.? Without looking and going by the >> recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch >> tires.? Crap. Now I have to try to take them back. They have not >> been mounted so they are still just like I got them.? My question >> is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel >> rim?? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, >> (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price.? >> A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in >> diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off. 165R15 >> tires are 25.65 inches in diameter.? My head is about explode. >> Mike MacLean >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Jan 30 10:20:47 2020 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:20:47 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tires In-Reply-To: References: <266370196.1352362.1580364384317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <266370196.1352362.1580364384317@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793899F8-606B-4D9A-A3A5-65829DBB60C1@sonic.net> You don?t actually have to calculate the circumference. If you have the number for the diameter (or height), you can just compare that with the original. Tire Rack gives diameter figures in its specs. Two tires with the same height have the same circumference. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:58 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > Mike, I recently did the same thing for my Land Rover. We like to think we're smart but we still make mistakes. And speaking of mistakes, here's what I would do... > > Look up the original tire size for your car (or see if TireRack has that info). Then calculate the circumference of that tire. For example if the OEM tire is a 165r14 then the diameter is: > > D = (165?.8?2)/25.4 + 14 > > The radius is: > > R = D/2 > > The circumference is: > > C = 2xRx3.14159 > > This is the tire circumfrence, in inches, for which your speedometer is calibrated. If you want to keep that calibration, just reverse the equations above and start poking in numbers from available sizes. I do this in an Excel spreadsheet. WAY easier. > Just remember to include the new tire's aspect ratio. Old, unlabeled radials have an aspect ratio of about 0.8, as used above. > > Rick > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > Well, I screwed up. Reading the MG Experience forums I bought Douglas tires at a great price. Taking off the old tires tonight I found they were Dunlop SP-20s made in 1999. Wow! The size on the tire was 165R15. Without looking and going by the recommendation of the MG Experience web site I bought 14 inch tires. Crap. Now I have to try to take them back. They have not been mounted so they are still just like I got them. My question is, what the heck size tire should I get for a 15 inch wire wheel rim? The MG Experience forum is saying 185/70 R15 is closest, (1/4 inch smaller) but not readily available for a decent price. A 185/65 R15 is the next most popular tire, but smaller in diameter by an inch than the Dunlops I am taking off. 165R15 tires are 25.65 inches in diameter. My head is about explode. > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: