From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Feb  5 20:21:04 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 21:21:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors
Message-ID: <000001d5dc9c$773e05e0$65ba11a0$@ranteer.com>

In Barney's wiring diagram
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm

 

There are several places where he has a nice line of snap connectors.  Two
up front (I assume) close to the headlights, one off to the side, maybe in
the engine compartment??? And a fourth set maybe in the tail????

 

Can anyone share where these connectors are found?  Are they in fact
together?  

 

My car was wired by a guy that loved red, blue, and black wires.  I just
tore it out because it was so wrong so I'm planning on building the wiring
harness myself.  It won't be the first car I've wired from scratch without a
harness.  Any help on where to put these snap connectors would be
appreciated.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Feb  6 07:59:27 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 08:59:27 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors - clarification
Message-ID: <001701d5dcfe$072d7080$15885180$@ranteer.com>

I really wasn't clear the first time.  I'm trying to figure out where
exactly on the car these snap connectors are located, or if I should just
put them where it makes sense to me.   Maybe take into account where they go
through holes in the sheet metal.

 

In Barney's wiring diagram
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm

 

There are several places where he has a nice line of snap connectors.  Two
up front (I assume) close to the headlights, one off to the side, maybe in
the engine compartment??? And a fourth set maybe in the tail????

 

Can anyone share where these connectors are on the car?  Are they in fact
together?  

 

My car was wired by a guy that loved red, blue, and black wires.  I just
tore it out because it was so wrong so I'm planning on building the wiring
harness myself.  It won't be the first car I've wired from scratch without a
harness.  Any help on where to put these snap connectors would be
appreciated.

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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 08:10:12 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 09:10:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors - clarification
In-Reply-To: <001701d5dcfe$072d7080$15885180$@ranteer.com>
References: <001701d5dcfe$072d7080$15885180$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dzjkz--NFHGzcJ88uVsq_k7oPM7OhHFSnjNArEz-gvucA@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, may I just suggest that you buy a correct wiring harness? I know its
costly but its 'correct', trouble free, looks great, and the next owner
will thank you. Only my two cents contribution.

Rick
PS: My wife says I'm good at spending other people's money.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 8:59 AM dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I really wasn?t clear the first time.  I?m trying to figure out where
> exactly on the car these snap connectors are located, or if I should just
> put them where it makes sense to me.   Maybe take into account where they
> go through holes in the sheet metal.
>
>
>
> In Barney?s wiring diagram
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm
>
>
>
> There are several places where he has a nice line of snap connectors.  Two
> up front (I assume) close to the headlights, one off to the side, maybe in
> the engine compartment??? And a fourth set maybe in the tail????
>
>
>
> Can anyone share where these connectors are on the car?  Are they in fact
> together?
>
>
>
> My car was wired by a guy that loved red, blue, and black wires.  I just
> tore it out because it was so wrong so I?m planning on building the wiring
> harness myself.  It won?t be the first car I?ve wired from scratch without
> a harness.  Any help on where to put these snap connectors would be
> appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Feb  6 08:47:12 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 15:47:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors
References: <000001d5dc9c$773e05e0$65ba11a0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <FE33AEBFCA1142968871DB8AE1CA99A5@paul>

Aren't they bullet connectors?  At the front and the back they will be convenient for the tails on the light units - unless you are going to rewire those as well?  

In the middle they will be where the rear harness joins the main harness.  FWIW on the MGB the main harness goes through the bulkhead from the cabin to the engine compartment.  The rear harness runs under the floor then comes up in front of the bulkhead to join the main harness.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  In Barney's wiring diagram  http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm

   

  There are several places where he has a nice line of snap connectors.  Two up front (I assume) close to the headlights, one off to the side, maybe in the engine compartment??? And a fourth set maybe in the tail????
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From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Thu Feb  6 14:51:01 2020
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1581015601.6975.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1581015601.6975.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <c65be014-95e8-e3f4-84f6-6825d3855060@mebtel.net>

MG's used 'bullet' connectors. Single, doubles & triples (maybe 
quadruples?). Available here: https://www.britishwiring.com/

The MGA came with a body harness & chassis harness with numerous 
connectors located low on the right side (near the brake light switch), 
a dash harness, a front lighting harness (connectors forward of the 
radiator) & rear lighting harness (connectors at the end of the frame 
rail on the right side).

I, too have made many wire harnesses. Using the proper color coding will 
prevent any future owner from calling you a DPO. I suspect that 
purchasing a ready-made wire harness will be no more expensive than 
making one up piecemeal - and certainly it'd be done quicker.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
> Can anyone share where these connectors are found?  Are they in fact
> together?


From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Feb  6 17:21:01 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:21:01 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
Message-ID: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>

Barney Gaylord, the MGA Guru, uses the term on his wiring diagram. 

 

https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm

 

and here is his count of snap connectors needed for an mga.

 

Yes, they are known as bullet connectors by some.  But snap connectors by
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Feb  6 17:24:59 2020
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:24:59 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>

That?s an odd term. They don?t ?snap? at all.


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:21 PM, dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Barney Gaylord, the MGA Guru, uses the term on his wiring diagram. 
>  
> https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm <https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm>
>  
> and here is his count of snap connectors needed for an mga.
>  
> Yes, they are known as bullet connectors by some.  But snap connectors by others
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Feb  6 18:49:08 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 19:49:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
 <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <001001d5dd58$ca28f500$5e7adf00$@ranteer.com>

Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me!

 

From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:25 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors

 

That?s an odd term. They don?t ?snap? at all.

 

 

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

 

On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:21 PM, dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Barney Gaylord, the MGA Guru, uses the term on his wiring diagram. 

 

 <https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm> https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm

 

and here is his count of snap connectors needed for an mga.

 

Yes, they are known as bullet connectors by some.  But snap connectors by others

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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Feb  7 01:16:52 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 08:16:52 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
 <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
 <001001d5dd58$ca28f500$5e7adf00$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <D7F29FFB622D454D94B49EE604643099@paul>

I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me!
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Feb  7 06:00:39 2020
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 08:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <D7F29FFB622D454D94B49EE604643099@paul>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
 <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
 <001001d5dd58$ca28f500$5e7adf00$@ranteer.com>
 <D7F29FFB622D454D94B49EE604643099@paul>
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1581080450.2961.mgs@autox.team.net>

Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is 
the bullet connector, what do you call the female tube 
connector?  Certainly not a bullet?

Barney


At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:

>I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no 
>one, I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me
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From Charley38 at twc.com  Fri Feb  7 07:27:05 2020
From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 08:27:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <20200207130104.95913A080B@autox.team.net>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
 <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
 <001001d5dd58$ca28f500$5e7adf00$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <f7335505-b521-7856-cee7-3a2445fa14af@twc.com>

Answer: The female part of the bullet connector.

CR

On 2/7/2020 7:00 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs wrote:
> Okay. I'll bite.? If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is 
> the bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector? 
> Certainly not a bullet?
>
> Barney
>
>


From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 08:20:39 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 09:20:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <f7335505-b521-7856-cee7-3a2445fa14af@twc.com>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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Tellub?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 8:27 AM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Answer: The female part of the bullet connector.
>
> CR
>
> On 2/7/2020 7:00 AM, Barney Gaylord via Mgs wrote:
> > Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is
> > the bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?
> > Certainly not a bullet?
> >
> > Barney
> >
> >
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Feb  7 08:09:22 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:09:22 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
 <45F65A56-7407-4554-8576-D167722ED55A@sonic.net>
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 <D7F29FFB622D454D94B49EE604643099@paul>
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Message-ID: <DCCA3C8848694BD49940871AE3F7502F@paul>

The bullets - so named because of their shape - are on the ends of the wires.  The tube that connects the bullets together is ... the bullet connector.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly not a bullet?

  Barney

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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 06:03:38 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 07:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <20200207130104.4FECCA1149@autox.team.net>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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Too funny!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 7:01 AM Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the
> bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly
> not a bullet?
>
> Barney
>
>
> At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
>
> I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I
> think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Feb  7 10:47:03 2020
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 09:47:03 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyi91jAFHRjeso8C=vOff5cUf0Fbd2fGwwtk2wsrERapA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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Actually, now that I think about it, they do ?snap? ? when you try to disconnect a 50-year-old connector and the metal snaps, leaving you with broken bits that fall out of the rubber tube.


--
Max Heim
mvheim at sonic.net



--
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'66 MGB

> On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Too funny!
> 
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 7:01 AM Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly not a bullet?
> 
> Barney
> 
> 
> At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> 
>> I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 10:58:30 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:58:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <CD5ADB16-4234-45CC-BA3D-00F7AA084FC5@sonic.net>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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Good point, Max! There's also that snap when your hands hit the sheetmetal,
usually an edge, when the connector finally falls apart!

R

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 11:47 AM Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

> Actually, now that I think about it, they do ?snap? ? when you try to
> disconnect a 50-year-old connector and the metal snaps, leaving you with
> broken bits that fall out of the rubber tube.
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim at sonic.net
>
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Too funny!
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 7:01 AM Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the
>> bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly
>> not a bullet?
>>
>> Barney
>>
>>
>> At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
>>
>> I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I
>> think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me
>>
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Fri Feb  7 11:07:26 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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 I thought these kind of discussions were only on the Healey list.? As the new kid on the block around here, I see there are people here with too much time on their hands too. ;^)
Mike MacLean1969 MGB GT1960 Austin Healey Sprite1956 Austin Healey BN2

    On Friday, February 7, 2020, 9:58:45 AM PST, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Good point, Max! There's also that snap when your hands hit the sheetmetal, usually an edge, when the connector finally falls apart!
R
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 11:47 AM Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, they do ?snap? ? when you try to disconnect a 50-year-old connector and the metal snaps, leaving you with broken bits that fall out of the rubber tube.


--Max Heimmvheim at sonic.net


--Max Heim'66 MGB

On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
Too funny!
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 7:01 AM Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

Okay. I'll bite.? If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire isthe bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector??Certainly not a bullet?

Barney


At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:


I'll leave you totell Barney he's wrong ...

----- Original Message ----- 
   
      - Totally agree!? I even looked up the term snap connector, and noone, I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.? And, andme

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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 11:14:59 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:14:59 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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Regardless of marque, we are all one breed. :-]

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 12:07 PM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
wrote:

> I thought these kind of discussions were only on the Healey list.  As the
> new kid on the block around here, I see there are people here with too much
> time on their hands too. ;^)
>
> Mike MacLean
> 1969 MGB GT
> 1960 Austin Healey Sprite
> 1956 Austin Healey BN2
>
> On Friday, February 7, 2020, 9:58:45 AM PST, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <
> mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good point, Max! There's also that snap when your hands hit the
> sheetmetal, usually an edge, when the connector finally falls apart!
>
> R
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 11:47 AM Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, they do ?snap? ? when you try to
> disconnect a 50-year-old connector and the metal snaps, leaving you with
> broken bits that fall out of the rubber tube.
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim at sonic.net
>
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Too funny!
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 7:01 AM Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the
> bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly
> not a bullet?
>
> Barney
>
>
> At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
>
> I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I
> think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Feb  7 15:10:45 2020
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors - clarification
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Dave (and others who may be concerned),

Okay, surprised no one has jumped on this yet, so I'll give it a 
shot.  The referenced color wiring diagram is not my doing, but is 
posted with permission of the developer.  My own wiring diagrams are 
broken down into smaller and simpler sub-sets.  This will be a 
collated summary of details found on multiple pages of wiring 
diagrams, harness routing and snap connector info.  Some day I should 
post another web page with a full car layout showing general routing 
of the harness and locations of all of the snap connectors (harness 
junctions).  The factory was not concerned with this, because they 
gave you a complete car with the harness already installed.  Very few 
people realize how many of these tube connectors there are in one 
car.  Parts suppliers often do not include enough of them in 
connector kits.  The complete list of snap connectors for MGA is 
here: http://MGAguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm

The main harness runs through a rubber grommet at center of the 
bulkhead (behind the heater box).  There are minor branches for the 
wiper motor (3 wires),  heater blower, (2 snap connectors there) and 
control box (multiple wires including two Black ground wires), and 
for the turn signal relay (8 wires)  for the 1500 model only.  Other 
branches go to the fuse block, flasher unit, and Black wire 
break-outs for chassis ground on the front side of the bulkhead near 
the fuse block.

Otherwise the main harness continues to the right side inner wing 
where there is a bundle of snap connectors located near the starter 
switch.  This is the junction (interconnection point) where the side 
harness (sometimes called chassis harness) connects to the main 
harness.  There will be many snap connector circuits here:

Red (parking lights) 3-way (twin tube)
White (fuel pump)
Green (input to stop lamp switch)
Green/Purple (output from stop lamp switch, 1500 only)
Green/Black (fuel sender unit)
(White/Purple (left rear turn signal 1500 only)
(White/Brown (right rear turn signal 1500 only)
Green/Red  (left turn signals 1600 only, 3-way twin tube)
Green/White  (right turn signals 1600 only, 3-way twin tube)

 From there the main harness continues forward along the right inner 
fender, breaking out wires for the dynamo and ignition coil, to a 
point in the RF corner of the main body nose, just above the air 
pan.  Here you should have 2 large ring connectors with 2 Black wires 
each (grounding wires) attached to the inboard end of an extra length 
wing bolt with a hex nut (2nd bolt up above the air pan).  That has 
nothing to do with snap connectors, but is a general point that many 
people get wrong.

In the same location, just inside the right front corner of the body 
nose, there should be a group of snap connectors for the right hand 
front lights:
Blue/White headlight high beams (3-way twin tube)
Blue/Red headlight low beams (3-way twin tube)
Red parking lights (3-way twin tube)
Green/White (RF turn signal).
Black ground (4-way twin tube) for RF headlight, RF side light, local 
grounding wire, and one more black wire continuing to opposite side of the car.

 From there the main harness continues across to left side, following 
under the bonnet latch brace with a couple of P-clips, to a point 
just inside the LF corner of the main body nose above the air pan 
(similar to the right side arrangement) for the LH front lights  You 
have a few less snap connectors here:

Blue/White headlight high beams
Blue/Red headlight low beams
Red parking lights
Green/Red (LF turn signal).
Black ground (3 or 4-way twin tube) for LF headlight, LF side light 
(maybe 2 lack for 1600 type side lights), and the black wire coming 
from opposite side of the car.

Additionally, at the RF corner there are 2 wires for the horn(s) and 
one wire for the fog lamp(s) wrapped together.  These wires drop down 
through rubber grommet in the air pan and cross below the air 
pan.  When you have the optional second horn there will be a 3-way 
(twin tube) snap connector for horn power, and another 3-way (twin 
tube) snap connector for horn switch return.  If you have one fog 
lamp installed, there should be a snap connector to connect that 
lamp.  With no fog lamp there should be one snap connector to cover 
the wire end to prevent shorting the power wire to ground.  With two 
fog lamps you may have one 3-way twin tube connector for fog lamp 
power.  The fog lamps commonly have a local grounding point on the 
bumper at the lamp mounting bracket for the Black ground wire from 
the lamp.  Some people prefer to us an additional 3-way twin tube 
snap connector to run these Black ground wires back to body ground at 
the RF corner of main body shell.

If you have more than one fog lamp or driving light, it is also 
recommended to run a separate power wire and use a relay to remove 
this larger electrical load from the fog lamp switch, or more 
importantly to remove the larger power load from the lighting switch 
(parking lamp red wire circuit).  Also notice that the original fog 
lamp harness wire is only 18-gauge wire, not intended to carry enough 
power for two lamps (especially not two high power driving 
lights).  You will see that headlight wires and horn wires are 
heavier wires.  This stuff about multiple fog or driving lights is 
variable at the owner's discretion, as these parts were dealer (or 
owner) installed options with variable style installations.  Just 
keep in mind that multiple lamps (and multiple horns) will involve 
more 3-way 2-barrel snap connectors for splitters.

As to the exact location of snap connectors at the front corners of 
main body, original factory issue placed these connectors above the 
air pan for environmental protection, while all of the wires for 
front wing lamps ran down through a rubber grommet in the air 
pan.  This is nice and neat, but significantly inconvenient for 
service, as these locations are difficult to reach, perhaps requiring 
removal of the grille and 4-inch air hoses to gain access to the snap 
connectors.  For my car I have relocated all of these snap connectors 
to be below the air pan for easier access from below.  This leaves 
the connectors more exposed to road splash, but once you learn how to 
deal with this issue it may become a non-issue.

Warning, no new snap connectors in this next paragraph.  Getting back 
to the bundle of snap connectors near the starter switch, this is the 
front end of the side harness running below the frame on right side 
of the chassis.  Just aft of the RH seat there is a White wire 
break-out for the fuel pump (no snap connector), while the fuel pump 
has a single Black wire to ground locally on a floor board bolt with 
a hex nut (no snap connector).  Farther back, aft of the wheel arch 
of the frame, there is a Green/Black wire break-out for the fuel 
level sender unit (no snap connector).  The sender unit grounds to 
the fuel tank, which was originally grounded through the steel fuel 
pipe to the fuel pump, which in turn had the Black ground wire to the 
frame.  If the steel fuel pipes have been cut, and the fuel pump is 
connected with rubber hoses, then you should add a black grounding 
wire from one of the sender screws to a tab on the frame nearby.

Continuing aft of the fuel fuel sender along the right side frame, 
there will be another bundle of snap connectors aft of the rear 
wheel, just behind the rear splash panel.  This is the junction point 
between side harness and rear harness.  Circuit wires here will be:
Red parking lamps, 4-way twin tube connector, Power in, RH tail 
light, Tag lamp, LH tail light.
Black grounding, 4-way twin tube for 1500 cars, or 6-way triple tube 
for 1600 type.
White/Brown, RR brake and turn signal, 1500 only
White/Purple, LR brake and turn signal, 1500 only
Green/Purple, brake lights, 1600 only
Green/White, RR turn signal, 1600 only
Green/Red, LR turn signal, 1600 only

For ground returns of the rear harness, all of the Black wires come 
together at RR corner bundle of snap connectors (4 or 6 black 
wires).  One of these wires will be for the local grounding point on 
the frame.  My diagrams show this grounding point to be on a frame 
tab hear the fuel sender unit, which means there is a Black wire in 
the side harness.  This is original factory design (at least for the 
1500 cars).  Some recent issue replacement wiring harnesses make this 
rear grounding point on one of the large bolts securing the forged 
bumper mounting bracket to the frame.  This set-up has no black wire 
in the side harness (but still the same number of snap connectors).

There are three additional snap connectors under the dash. Two of 
these connect the switch for the heater blower.  One  connects the 
Brown/Black wire between main harness and dash harness for the horn 
switch wire.  This last one is the only interconnection between main 
harness and dash harness.

Hope this helps.  Anyone is welcome to wave and whistle if I missed anything.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 09:59 AM 2/6/2020, dave via Mgs wrote:
>....
>I really wasn't clear the first time.  I'm trying to figure out 
>where exactly on the car these snap connectors are located, or if I 
>should just put them where it makes sense to me.   Maybe take into 
>account where they go through holes in the sheet metal.
>
>In Barney's wiring 
>diagram 
><http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm>http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_wiring.htm
>
>There are several places where he has a nice line of snap 
>connectors.  Two up front (I assume) close to the headlights, one 
>off to the side, maybe in the engine compartment??? And a fourth set 
>maybe in the tail????
>
>Can anyone share where these connectors are on the car?  Are they in 
>fact together?
>
>My car was wired by a guy that loved red, blue, and black wires.  I 
>just tore it out because it was so wrong so I'm planning on building 
>the wiring harness myself.  It won't be the first car I've wired 
>from scratch without a harness.  Any help on where to put these snap 
>connectors would be appreciated.
>....
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Feb  7 20:38:53 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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On 2/7/20 11:07 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
> I thought these kind of discussions were only on the Healey list.? As 
> the new kid on the block around here, I see there are people here with 
> too much time on their hands too. ;^)
>

You should have seen the discussion on the Tigers list about a 
particular shade of green pint!

mjb.



From Charley38 at twc.com  Sat Feb  8 04:47:27 2020
From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 05:47:27 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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Or the discussions on this list when I towed my '69 MGB to the east 
coast and back to Texas with all four down and the driveshaft connected.

CR

On 2/7/2020 9:38 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote:
> On 2/7/20 11:07 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>> I thought these kind of discussions were only on the Healey list.? As 
>> the new kid on the block around here, I see there are people here 
>> with too much time on their hands too. ;^)
>>
>
> You should have seen the discussion on the Tigers list about a 
> particular shade of green pint!
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sat Feb  8 06:55:41 2020
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:55:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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Dave,

Someone didn't look far enough.  How about the "gospel according to 
BMC", the factory Workshop Manual.  "Snap connectors" are mentioned 
prominentally in sections on removing the body and installing the 
optional heater.  Oddly enough, the word "bullet" does not appear 
anywhere in the book.

Also the Service Parts List where the sleeve is called "Snap 
connector", and the bullet end is called "Plug, snap connector".

Barney


At 08:49 PM 2/6/2020, dave via Mgs wrote:
>....
>Totally agree! I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, 
>I think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors. And, and me!


>From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
>Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:25 PM
>To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
>Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
>
>That's an odd term. They don't "snap" at all.
>....


>On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:21 PM, dave via Mgs 
><<mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>Barney Gaylord, the MGA Guru, uses the term on his wiring diagram. 
><https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm>https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_snap.htm
>....
>Yes, they are known as bullet connectors by some.  But snap 
>connectors by others
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 07:14:16 2020
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:14:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 07:47:57 2020
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 09:47:57 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <e2bbdb81-6cca-668a-2910-1c2c98465c63@twc.com>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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 <D7F29FFB622D454D94B49EE604643099@paul>
 <20200207130104.4FECCA1149@autox.team.net>
 <CAOc+-dyi91jAFHRjeso8C=vOff5cUf0Fbd2fGwwtk2wsrERapA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CD5ADB16-4234-45CC-BA3D-00F7AA084FC5@sonic.net>
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 <697664148.971834.1581098846434@mail.yahoo.com>
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And don't ask whether it's easier to remove the engine/trans as a unit or
just the engine.....!

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:47 AM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Or the discussions on this list when I towed my '69 MGB to the east
> coast and back to Texas with all four down and the driveshaft connected.
>
> CR
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:38 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote:
> > On 2/7/20 11:07 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
> >> I thought these kind of discussions were only on the Healey list.  As
> >> the new kid on the block around here, I see there are people here
> >> with too much time on their hands too. ;^)
> >>
> >
> > You should have seen the discussion on the Tigers list about a
> > particular shade of green pint!
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Feb  8 03:05:56 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 11:05:56 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors
In-Reply-To: <20200207130102.784A7A0A71@autox.team.net>
References: <002401d5dd4c$7a5c25d0$6f147170$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <00bb01d5de67$5b0b90a0$1122b1e0$@planet.nl>

Did you bite the bullet Barney J

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Barney Gaylord via Mgs
Verzonden: vrijdag 7 februari 2020 14:01
Aan: PaulHunt73; dave; mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] snap connectors vs bullet connectors

 

Okay. I'll bite.  If the piece crimped or soldered onto the wire is the
bullet connector, what do you call the female tube connector?  Certainly not
a bullet?

Barney


At 03:16 AM 2/7/2020, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:




I'll leave you to tell Barney he's wrong ...

----- Original Message ----- 

Totally agree!  I even looked up the term snap connector, and no one, I
think, except Barney uses it for bullet connectors.  And, and me 

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From britfan1 at epix.net  Sat Feb  8 10:50:49 2020
From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 12:50:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rubber-bumper B cooling system
In-Reply-To: <f7f128ef-5ff2-4c5f-a67c-b6ba6f46738f@email.android.com>
References: <f7f128ef-5ff2-4c5f-a67c-b6ba6f46738f.ref@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <mailman.25.1581184252.2961.mgs@autox.team.net>

A friend who runs a small shop is working on a 1980 MGB?the first rubber-bumper B he?s encountered.  Neither he nor anyone else who looks at the car can understand why the cooling system was designed with no opening (cap) at the highest point to let fluid in or?more importantly?to let air out of the system, and with no tap at the bottom to drain the coolant.

Anyone experienced in dealing with this cooling system have any suggestions?  He?s thinking of inserting a piece of tubing with a filler cap into the upper radiator hose to speed up system refill and get the air out of the head?he suspects this is why the owner had overheating problems.

My ?71 B/GT is in the shop next to this ?80, and we wonder why the later car had the radiator/oil cooler positions reversed and a dual electric fan fitted.  The previous layout would seem to offer better cooling, and my car never had any overheating problems.

I wouldn?t dare repeat his comments on the job of bleeding the clutch system.  He?s an old-time racing mechanic and believes that parts ought to be ACCESSIBLE.  We are convinced that British car designers were getting revenge for England?s having lost the Revolutionary War?.

Thank in advance,
Sarah Carr
?71 B/GT in PA


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From dan.dibiase at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 11:28:42 2020
From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 13:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rubber-bumper B cooling system
In-Reply-To: <20200208175100.8AD00A0E32@autox.team.net>
References: <f7f128ef-5ff2-4c5f-a67c-b6ba6f46738f.ref@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <CABxEc+nJD+LDbGSTpVy7EXBwZKFj39=-DuJqY8qTyosun+Je8g@mail.gmail.com>

On the '77 - '80 cars, the radiator was moved farther forward (I think to
allow room for the V8 engine) so the mechanical fan would no longer have
been any use. So they put the electric fan in (also, I assume because of
all of the emissions stuff, especially the catalytic converter, underbonnet
temps may have been higher). On my '76, when I need to reduce the level of
coolant, I disconnect the lower radiator hose. It's messy but fairly quick
and not too difficult. But yet, a lower petcock would have been nice.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:51 PM S.Carr via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

> A friend who runs a small shop is working on a 1980 MGB?the first
> rubber-bumper B he?s encountered.  Neither he nor anyone else who looks at
> the car can understand why the cooling system was designed with no opening
> (cap) at the highest point to let fluid in or?more importantly?to let air
> out of the system, and with no tap at the bottom to drain the coolant.
>
>
>
> Anyone experienced in dealing with this cooling system have any
> suggestions?  He?s thinking of inserting a piece of tubing with a filler
> cap into the upper radiator hose to speed up system refill and get the air
> out of the head?he suspects this is why the owner had overheating problems.
>
>
>
> My ?71 B/GT is in the shop next to this ?80, and we wonder why the later
> car had the radiator/oil cooler positions reversed and a dual electric fan
> fitted.  The previous layout would seem to offer better cooling, and my car
> never had any overheating problems.
>
>
>
> I wouldn?t dare repeat his comments on the job of bleeding the clutch
> system.  He?s an old-time racing mechanic and believes that parts ought to
> be ACCESSIBLE.  We are convinced that British car designers were getting
> revenge for England?s having lost the Revolutionary War?.
>
>
>
> Thank in advance,
>
> Sarah Carr
>
> ?71 B/GT in PA
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Feb  8 11:56:18 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 19:56:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors - clarification
In-Reply-To: <20200207225920.632FDA0E85@autox.team.net>
References: <001701d5dcfe$072d7080$15885180$@ranteer.com>
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So I l scrapped all the details, but just to mention to Barney a big thank
you for all his knowledge sharing!

 

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Barney Gaylord via Mgs
Verzonden: vrijdag 7 februari 2020 23:11
Aan: dave; mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] wiring and snap connectors - clarification

 

Dave (and others who may be concerned),

Okay, surprised no one has jumped on this yet, so I'll give it a shot.  

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From barrob at bell.net  Sat Feb  8 20:13:20 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 22:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rubber-bumper B cooling system
In-Reply-To: <20200208175059.C9A3DA0E24@autox.team.net>
References: <f7f128ef-5ff2-4c5f-a67c-b6ba6f46738f.ref@email.android.com>
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 <20200208175059.C9A3DA0E24@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4ba1714c-b8fc-4de1-9772-83f24f132961@bell.net>

No, the English are not mad at the Yanks about losing the Rev war 
because it was the French who did it. The blokes in the US were still 
British and remained so even after the final debacle - for a while.



On 2/8/2020 12:50 PM, S.Carr via Mgs wrote:
>
> A friend who runs a small shop is working on a 1980 MGB?the first 
> rubber-bumper B he?s encountered.? Neither he nor anyone else who 
> looks at the car can understand why the cooling system was designed 
> with no opening (cap) at the highest point to let fluid in or?more 
> importantly?to let air out of the system, and with no tap at the 
> bottom to drain the coolant.
>
> Anyone experienced in dealing with this cooling system have any 
> suggestions?? He?s thinking of inserting a piece of tubing with a 
> filler cap into the upper radiator hose to speed up system refill and 
> get the air out of the head?he suspects this is why the owner had 
> overheating problems.
>
> My ?71 B/GT is in the shop next to this ?80, and we wonder why the 
> later car had the radiator/oil cooler positions reversed and a dual 
> electric fan fitted.? The previous layout would seem to offer better 
> cooling, and my car never had any overheating problems.
>
> I wouldn?t dare repeat his comments on the job of bleeding the clutch 
> system.? He?s an old-time racing mechanic and believes that parts 
> ought to be ACCESSIBLE.? We are convinced that British car designers 
> were getting revenge for England?s having lost the Revolutionary War?.
>
> Thank in advance,
>
> Sarah Carr
>
> ?71 B/GT in PA
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
>
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>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sun Feb  9 02:40:21 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 09:40:21 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Rubber-bumper B cooling system
References: <f7f128ef-5ff2-4c5f-a67c-b6ba6f46738f.ref@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <8BB36F295D434AA088806EEDE949F83A@paul>

The V8 (which always had twin electric fans) had been and gone before 1977, and apart from the radiator being in the forward position with a remote expansion tank not much else was the same.

It always amuses me when people scratch their heads like this, the factory knew what they were doing, and they made over 50,000 of them that people have been living with quite happily for over 40 years.

Whereas the V8 had a bung on top of the rad for filling the 4-cylinder has it on the thermostat housing.  Not much is higher than that - except the heater matrix which was always higher.  Nevertheless if you fill it correctly i.e. heater valve open and the front of the car ideally slightly raised relative to the back, or at least level, the system purges itself of air in a couple of heat/cool cycles.

However one problem with filling can be caused by thermostats without a bleed valve or notch, they trap a huge amount of air under that stat in that the rad can be full but the block virtually empty.  I've had one of those and drilled a hole in the outer disc.

All rubber bumper cars may well have cooling slightly reduced as the slots in the bumper are significantly smaller than the chrome grille.  But this may well cause more anguish to the paranoid on the 77 and later models as they have different gauges with a narrower angle from min to max.  That and people with modern cars being used to seeing the temp gauge rock-steady under all conditions unless something is wrong.  I've had my RB V8 on test on a 30C86F day in a garage where the internal temp got up to 41C/106F and whilst the fans were running all the time the temp gauge was still only 2/3rds the way from N to H.  Remember the 'normal' range on an MGB is anywhere from the upper edge of the C zone to the lower edge of the H zone. It's only overheating if it's losing coolant or steaming, and there can be many causes of that where components aren't what they should be.

As for the clutch - yes it can be a pain to bleed, which is why I always use reverse bleeding as it's easier to push air up the pipe and out through the master than it is down and out through the bleed nipple.  If that leaves some in then just wedge the clutch pedal fully down overnight so that any remaining air gathers at the top of the pipe by the master, then next morning release it and the fluid coming back from the slave pushes that out though the master as well.

PaulH.


  ----- Original Message ----- 


  On the '77 - '80 cars, the radiator was moved farther forward (I think to allow room for the V8 engine) so the mechanical fan would no longer have been any use.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb  9 09:28:50 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 10:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] totally off topic
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But I thought you might enjoy this

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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Mon Feb 10 11:30:30 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:30:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?? I recently took out both the speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to remove the speedo before.? Apparently they got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.? Now it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.? You can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.? Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some dark corner of your garage.Mike MacLean69 MGB GT60 Austin Healey Sprite56 Austin Healey BN2
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From difejo1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 12:02:44 2020
From: difejo1 at gmail.com (John DiFede)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39BA799D-AC21-4B52-B152-8AA97CB8DD3C@gmail.com>

I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here

http://www.nisonger.com/

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?  I recently took out both the speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to remove the speedo before.  Apparently they got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.  Now it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.  You can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.  Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some dark corner of your garage.
> Mike MacLean
> 69 MGB GT
> 60 Austin Healey Sprite
> 56 Austin Healey BN2
> <650418499553.png>
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From rrengineer.mike at att.net  Mon Feb 10 12:29:58 2020
From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:29:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Fw:  Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
 <39BA799D-AC21-4B52-B152-8AA97CB8DD3C@gmail.com>
 <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>

 

   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>To: John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:16:05 AM PSTSubject: Re: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
  Called Nisonger and asked about the retainer.? Yes they sell them, for $10.95 and the knurled round nut is another $1.98.? The only problem is the order minimum is $15!? He won't bend for 2 bucks.? The hunt goes on.? At the moment the instruments are at Foreign Speedo in San Diego for a rebuild.? They do superlative work. ? I could have had it added to the bill if Nisonger was rebuilding the instrument.? Thanks anyway, Mike.

    On Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:02:48 AM PST, John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here
http://www.nisonger.com/
John

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?? I recently took out both the speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to remove the speedo before.? Apparently they got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.? Now it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.? You can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.? Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some dark corner of your garage.Mike MacLean69 MGB GT60 Austin Healey Sprite56 Austin Healey BN2
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Mon Feb 10 13:05:08 2020
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:05:08 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
 <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45eab59a-a212-cafc-a3dc-85b4fa8b88b6@cox.net>


Why not just buy a second nut. You know you're going to lose one when 
you try to put it in. :-)


On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
> *To:* John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:16:05 AM PST
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
>
> Called Nisonger and asked about the retainer.? Yes they sell them, for 
> $10.95 and the knurled round nut is another $1.98.? The only problem 
> is the order minimum is $15!? He won't bend for 2 bucks.? The hunt 
> goes on.? At the moment the instruments are at Foreign Speedo in San 
> Diego for a rebuild.? They do superlative work. ? I could have had it 
> added to the bill if Nisonger was rebuilding the instrument.? Thanks 
> anyway, Mike.
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:02:48 AM PST, John DiFede 
> <difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here
>
> http://www.nisonger.com/
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs 
>> <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to 
>> hold my speedo in place?? I recently took out both the speedo and the 
>> tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to 
>> remove the speedo before. Apparently they got one side off, but could 
>> not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.? Now 
>> it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.? You 
>> can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the 
>> inernet.? Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some 
>> dark corner of your garage.
>> Mike MacLean
>> 69 MGB GT
>> 60 Austin Healey Sprite
>> 56 Austin Healey BN2
>>
>> <650418499553.png>
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From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Mon Feb 10 13:13:53 2020
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1581361201.10351.mgs@autox.team.net>
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I'm not sure about the round nut but I have the retainer.

Send me you mailing address - I'll send it to you.

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC

On 2/10/2020 2:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
>
> Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place??

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Feb 10 13:50:02 2020
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:50:02 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <45eab59a-a212-cafc-a3dc-85b4fa8b88b6@cox.net>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
 <39BA799D-AC21-4B52-B152-8AA97CB8DD3C@gmail.com>
 <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
 <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>
 <45eab59a-a212-cafc-a3dc-85b4fa8b88b6@cox.net>
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Looks, like you have been there before David?.

 

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens David Ambrose via Mgs
Verzonden: maandag 10 februari 2020 21:05
Aan: mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer

 

 

Why not just buy a second nut. You know you're going to lose one when you try to put it in. :-)

 

On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:

 

 

----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Michael MacLean  <mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net> <rrengineer.mike at att.net>

To: John DiFede  <mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com> <difejo1 at gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:16:05 AM PST

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer

 

Called Nisonger and asked about the retainer.  Yes they sell them, for $10.95 and the knurled round nut is another $1.98.  The only problem is the order minimum is $15!  He won't bend for 2 bucks.  The hunt goes on.  At the moment the instruments are at Foreign Speedo in San Diego for a rebuild.  They do superlative work.   I could have had it added to the bill if Nisonger was rebuilding the instrument.  Thanks anyway, Mike.

 

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:02:48 AM PST, John DiFede  <mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com> <difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote: 

 

 

I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here 

 

http://www.nisonger.com/

 

John

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs  <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?  I recently took out both the speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to remove the speedo before.  Apparently they got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.  Now it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.  You can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.  Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some dark corner of your garage.

Mike MacLean

69 MGB GT

60 Austin Healey Sprite

56 Austin Healey BN2

 

<650418499553.png>

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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Mon Feb 10 14:07:13 2020
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:07:13 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <00b401d5e053$aa7c2df0$ff7489d0$@planet.nl>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
 <39BA799D-AC21-4B52-B152-8AA97CB8DD3C@gmail.com>
 <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
 <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>
 <45eab59a-a212-cafc-a3dc-85b4fa8b88b6@cox.net>
 <00b401d5e053$aa7c2df0$ff7489d0$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <E04B1BCC-D425-4EF7-A2EF-D8A517DF164E@ur.rochester.edu>

For the time invested and the head ache for 2 bucks just pay it.


On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net<mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Looks, like you have been there before David?.

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens David Ambrose via Mgs
Verzonden: maandag 10 februari 2020 21:05
Aan: mgs at autox.team.net<mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer




Why not just buy a second nut. You know you're going to lose one when you try to put it in. :-)



On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net><mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net>
To: John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com><mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:16:05 AM PST
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer

Called Nisonger and asked about the retainer.  Yes they sell them, for $10.95 and the knurled round nut is another $1.98.  The only problem is the order minimum is $15!  He won't bend for 2 bucks.  The hunt goes on.  At the moment the instruments are at Foreign Speedo in San Diego for a rebuild.  They do superlative work.   I could have had it added to the bill if Nisonger was rebuilding the instrument.  Thanks anyway, Mike.

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:02:48 AM PST, John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com><mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote:


I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here

http://www.nisonger.com/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nisonger.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=OsVk3VTIJ6fGgmOyEgfTT_R54sLBLglFwfqDOeETEa0&s=luyAUXmBv90fU7MTsEV_QPEnjHO28Wth4TQ6xulTGns&e=>

John
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net><mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?  I recently took out both the speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found someone had tried to remove the speedo before.  Apparently they got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have left it off for some reason.  Now it is long gone and I have only one side to hold it in place.  You can see the doohicky I am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.  Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some dark corner of your garage.
Mike MacLean
69 MGB GT
60 Austin Healey Sprite
56 Austin Healey BN2

<650418499553.png>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Feb 11 01:13:47 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 08:13:47 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1F4BB96A951843E494EAA791B4D880B8@paul>

I've had to make one in the past, not too difficult.
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  Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold my speedo in place?
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:16:23 2020
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 05:16:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
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References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1F4BB96A951843E494EAA791B4D880B8@paul>
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Same here, Paul. The metal bit is just a cut, drill and a couple of bends.
The nut, which is out of sight, out of mind, can be just a hex nut or, as I
have done, chuck a correct size screw in the drill, with the subject-hex
nut threaded on, then spin the nut against the spinning grinder until
'most' of the hex 'corners' are rounded down. I used a brass nut.

Yes, that is a solution, not a 'correct' solution.

Wait! You said 'speedo'! The nut is the same but the bracket is intricate.
Hummm...

Rick

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 2:16 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I've had to make one in the past, not too difficult.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round nut to hold
> my speedo in place?
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Feb 11 04:33:40 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:33:40 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Flat strip with the corners at one end turned over to encompass the stud.  And no I'm not taking it off to show you!
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  Wait! You said 'speedo'! The nut is the same but the bracket is intricate. Hummm...
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Tue Feb 11 08:27:24 2020
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:27:24 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer
In-Reply-To: <00b401d5e053$aa7c2df0$ff7489d0$@planet.nl>
References: <1187601785.870818.1581359430727@mail.yahoo.com>
 <39BA799D-AC21-4B52-B152-8AA97CB8DD3C@gmail.com>
 <1140763471.902623.1581362165949@mail.yahoo.com>
 <286719002.903907.1581362998137@mail.yahoo.com>
 <45eab59a-a212-cafc-a3dc-85b4fa8b88b6@cox.net>
 <00b401d5e053$aa7c2df0$ff7489d0$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <0229a35e-8dfb-da68-1a70-ba7ce1f968ec@cox.net>


I have big hands. Now days, I get my 5 foot 1 inch daughter to do that 
work.

On 2/10/2020 12:50 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
>
> Looks, like you have been there before David?.
>
> *Van:*Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *David Ambrose 
> via Mgs
> *Verzonden:* maandag 10 februari 2020 21:05
> *Aan:* mgs at autox.team.net
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Fw: Instrument Retainer
>
> Why not just buy a second nut. You know you're going to lose one when 
> you try to put it in. :-)
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:29 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote:
>
>     ----- Forwarded Message -----
>
>     *From:*Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>     <mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>
>     *To:*John DiFede <difejo1 at gmail.com> <mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:16:05 AM PST
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [Mgs] Instrument Retainer
>
>     Called Nisonger and asked about the retainer.? Yes they sell them,
>     for $10.95 and the knurled round nut is another $1.98.? The only
>     problem is the order minimum is $15!? He won't bend for 2 bucks.?
>     The hunt goes on. At the moment the instruments are at Foreign
>     Speedo in San Diego for a rebuild.? They do superlative work. ? I
>     could have had it added to the bill if Nisonger was rebuilding the
>     instrument.? Thanks anyway, Mike.
>
>     On Monday, February 10, 2020, 11:02:48 AM PST, John DiFede
>     <difejo1 at gmail.com> <mailto:difejo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I don?t have one, but you may be able to purchase one here
>
>     http://www.nisonger.com/
>
>     John
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>     On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs
>     <mgs at autox.team.net> <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         ?
>
>         Anyone have a single instrument dashboard retainer and round
>         nut to hold my speedo in place?? I recently took out both the
>         speedo and the tach for rebuilding from my 69 GT and found
>         someone had tried to remove the speedo before. Apparently they
>         got one side off, but could not reach the other and must have
>         left it off for some reason.? Now it is long gone and I have
>         only one side to hold it in place.? You can see the doohicky I
>         am referring to in this photo I got off the inernet.?
>         Hopefully one of you guys has one of these sitting in some
>         dark corner of your garage.
>
>         Mike MacLean
>
>         69 MGB GT
>
>         60 Austin Healey Sprite
>
>         56 Austin Healey BN2
>
>         <650418499553.png>
>
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From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Feb 23 17:21:50 2020
From: thgun at comporium.net (Thomas Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Led brake lights
Message-ID: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>


What do you think?
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA rst 1500

Sent from my iPhone X



From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 17:58:44 2020
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 00:58:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Led brake lights
In-Reply-To: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <601369938.7145812.1582505924641@mail.yahoo.com>

On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 4:22:02 PM PST, Thomas Gunderson via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote: 
 > What do you think?

I find the ones on cars that flicker incredible annoying at night.
  
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 23 18:48:53 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:48:53 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  Led brake lights
In-Reply-To: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <000501d5eab4$91f62c20$b5e28460$@ranteer.com>

The ones from www.litezupp.com are amazing!  They even have headlights.

Your brake/blinkers can actually be seen during the day.  Totally
recommended

-----Original Message-----
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Gunderson via Mgs
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 6:22 PM
To: Mga List <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Led brake lights


What do you think?
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA rst 1500

Sent from my iPhone X


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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Feb 24 02:01:53 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:01:53 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Led brake lights
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
Message-ID: <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>

Poor.

Less difference between stop and tail than with incandescents, flickering,
not as bright or with the same spread as incandescent.  With one set if the
tail lights were on the brake lights didn't work.  A second set didn't have
that problem but if you had a short that blew the green circuit fuse for the
stop lights it extinguished the tail lights even though they were fused
separately, and the other lights on that circuit were glowing.
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ledpark.htm

I've also tried LED headlights and they were also poor.  Whiter to be sure,
but with no additional illumination that I could see, and a 'dead' area in
the middle of the pool of light.  Basically all they do is change the colour
temperature.  http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/headled.htm#1

Strictly speaking external LED lighting is not legal in the UK unless
E-marked (which none I've seen are), but more importantly checking with my
insurance company they would not accept them.

And don't get me started on LED indicators/turn signals ...

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
>
> What do you think?


From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Feb 24 07:49:03 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:49:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  Led brake lights
In-Reply-To: <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
 <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>
Message-ID: <001601d5eb21$8ed17f00$ac747d00$@ranteer.com>

so sad that your experience with LED's has been so negative.  You just
didn't use the right brand.  www.litezupp.com has LEDs that just screw into
your existing sockets and work a treat.  Yes, if you install blinkers you
have to put in a digital blinker control, as the LED doesn't create the
resistance that creates the heat that allows a mechanical/analog blinker
control to function.  But if you do it right, you get bright, clear brake,
backup lights, and blinkers.  The Litezupp headlights are incredibly bright.
I have full LED setups on numerous cars and don't regret it a minute.  SO
MUCH BETTER

-----Original Message-----
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 via Mgs
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:02 AM
To: Thomas Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net>; Mga List <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Led brake lights

Poor.

Less difference between stop and tail than with incandescents, flickering,
not as bright or with the same spread as incandescent.  With one set if the
tail lights were on the brake lights didn't work.  A second set didn't have
that problem but if you had a short that blew the green circuit fuse for the
stop lights it extinguished the tail lights even though they were fused
separately, and the other lights on that circuit were glowing.
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ledpark.htm

I've also tried LED headlights and they were also poor.  Whiter to be sure,
but with no additional illumination that I could see, and a 'dead' area in
the middle of the pool of light.  Basically all they do is change the colour
temperature.  http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/headled.htm#1

Strictly speaking external LED lighting is not legal in the UK unless
E-marked (which none I've seen are), but more importantly checking with my
insurance company they would not accept them.

And don't get me started on LED indicators/turn signals ...

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
>
> What do you think?

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From barrob at bell.net  Mon Feb 24 08:24:52 2020
From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Led brake lights
In-Reply-To: <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
 <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>
Message-ID: <f5b469c6-a3b6-c7bd-4f3d-31ee4df2cf41@bell.net>

Hello folks,

A while back I got some LED rear end bulbs but they did not look any 
brighter.

Barrie

On 2/24/2020 4:01 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
> Poor.
>
> Less difference between stop and tail than with incandescents, 
> flickering,
> not as bright or with the same spread as incandescent.? With one set 
> if the
> tail lights were on the brake lights didn't work.? A second set didn't 
> have
> that problem but if you had a short that blew the green circuit fuse 
> for the
> stop lights it extinguished the tail lights even though they were fused
> separately, and the other lights on that circuit were glowing.
> http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ledpark.htm
>
> I've also tried LED headlights and they were also poor.? Whiter to be 
> sure,
> but with no additional illumination that I could see, and a 'dead' 
> area in
> the middle of the pool of light.? Basically all they do is change the 
> colour
> temperature.? http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/headled.htm#1
>
> Strictly speaking external LED lighting is not legal in the UK unless
> E-marked (which none I've seen are), but more importantly checking 
> with my
> insurance company they would not accept them.
>
> And don't get me started on LED indicators/turn signals ...
>
> PaulH.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> What do you think?
>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Feb 24 09:04:25 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 16:04:25 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  Led brake lights
References: <CBF51422-47F9-44BD-A65E-68BE59765049@comporium.net>
 <254D5361946E4A1B90B409A115E23BBD@paul>
 <001601d5eb21$8ed17f00$ac747d00$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <88AD4E332E6D4F8CA01FDBA19719D098@paul>

They had better be good for over $170!

Instrument lighting is a different kettle of swimming things, a massive 
improvement for pennies although the varying function of the dimmer is 
largely disabled.  http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/images/led17b.jpg shows a 
modified tach and unmodified speedo, taken in the same shot so a direct 
comparison, and not illegal.  Not as 'bluish' in the flesh and the tint 
comes from having a bright white LED in a can that has been painted duck-egg 
blue, which helps to make the yellow light of incandescents whiter.  There 
are warm white versions that come out white.  Google 'E10 5 5050 SMD LED' 
for direct-replacement screw-in types, BA9 in place of E10 for bayonet, and 
T10 for push-in.  I say 'direct' but they are longer than the original bulbs 
and I had to space the speedo one back a bit in my RB V8 as when fitting it 
I could see the pointer moving.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave via Mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:49 PM
Subject: [Mgs] FW: Led brake lights


> so sad that your experience with LED's has been so negative.  You just
> didn't use the right brand.  www.litezupp.com has LEDs that just screw 
> into
> your existing sockets and work a treat.  Yes, if you install blinkers you
> have to put in a digital blinker control, as the LED doesn't create the
> resistance that creates the heat that allows a mechanical/analog blinker
> control to function.  But if you do it right, you get bright, clear brake,
> backup lights, and blinkers.  The Litezupp headlights are incredibly 
> bright.
> I have full LED setups on numerous cars and don't regret it a minute.  SO
> MUCH BETTER
> 

From britfan1 at epix.net  Wed Feb 26 14:08:32 2020
From: britfan1 at epix.net (S.Carr)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:08:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] convertible top help needed
Message-ID: <mailman.29.1582751319.2961.mgs@autox.team.net>

I?ve been helping a friend who wants to install a tonneau cover on a 1980 MGB convertible.  We?ve tried to follow the instructions?but the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck, leaving the front corners sticking up?no way can we install a flat tonneau cover!  The top?s being old and stiff is of course no help.  Any suggestions from the list?

Sarah Carr
?71 B/GT in PA

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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Feb 27 01:59:38 2020
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:59:38 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] convertible top help needed
References: <20200226211036.65F29A09F4@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <6AA51182FD1B4B0B86BE57C57C32F6EF@paul>

You say "the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck".  If you mean the ends of the front bow of the folding top are coming down onto the paint when you try and fold it into the tonneau space behind the seats, that started happening to mine recently after many years without a problem.  The joints in the frame have worn and the supports for the top bow, which should only pivot slightly if at all, started riding up over a stop-block and pivoting much more.  The ends of the front bow should point forwards when the top is lowered, and that should clear the body, and when erected it should be at the same angle as the middle bow.  If it's pointing too far back when erected then when folded the ends come down on the body.  Conversely if it is pointing straight down when erected the ends stick up when folded.  I welded some bigger stop-blocks onto the frame and it's fine now, more info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/bodytext.htm#fbow

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 


  I?ve been helping a friend who wants to install a tonneau cover on a 1980 MGB convertible.  We?ve tried to follow the instructions?but the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck, leaving the front corners sticking up?no way can we install a flat tonneau cover!  The top?s being old and stiff is of course no help.  Any suggestions from the list?
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