From richardolindsay at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 05:39:42 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 06:39:42 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT Message-ID: Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 06:11:36 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 07:11:36 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] XPAG timing Message-ID: Hello friends, Quick question: My '53 TD has a Pertronix distributor and the timing is very stable. But with so-called 'modern' fuel, that is petrol contaminated by 10% ethanol, what is the ideal dynamically set timing? Some argue 5? BTDC at 500 rpm. Other argue 10?. All I want is easy starting and mild motoring. That is, lower engine speeds. Advice? Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sun Oct 6 06:58:39 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:58:39 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01d57c45$c6040ec0$520c2c40$@planet.nl> Well Rick, The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. We?ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long. But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973). The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year. Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able to park it. And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the quality is terrible. Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I made it fit. As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless the choke was used all time. It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad. The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a still standing carb clogged. Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue. The bike went like old days again afterwards! The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction piston) a few months ago. So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheating and were damaged. So I replaced these. Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled the job somehow. The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the original. So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the cooling rib. Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with the flange. Remembered me to the BGT?s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties. Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. >From a wet Holland ? Cheers! Hans 71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40 Aan: MGs Onderwerp: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! Rick -- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 08:46:24 2019 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 09:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <004b01d57c45$c6040ec0$520c2c40$@planet.nl> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially for older vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace every one of them before you experience a petrol fire! Rick Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it. On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: Well Rick, The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. We?ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long. But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973). The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year. Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able to park it. And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the quality is terrible. Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I made it fit. As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless the choke was used all time. It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad. The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a still standing carb clogged. Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue. The bike went like old days again afterwards! The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction piston) a few months ago. So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheating and were damaged. So I replaced these. Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled the job somehow. The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the original. So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the cooling rib. Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with the flange. Remembered me to the BGT?s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties. Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. >From a wet Holland ? Cheers! Hans 71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40 Aan: MGs Onderwerp: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! Rick Virusvrij. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 09:53:40 2019 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 10:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <00bb01d57c58$29f07b50$7dd171f0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sun Oct 6 10:19:59 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:19:59 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <00bb01d57c58$29f07b50$7dd171f0$@ranteer.com> References: <004b01d57c45$c6040ec0$520c2c40$@planet.nl> <00bb01d57c58$29f07b50$7dd171f0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <006e01d57c61$e69f5010$b3ddf030$@planet.nl> I always drive with our 33 old son Dave (!) Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT?s home grounds, United Kingdom, where he pictured Paul Hunt and me with our MG?s in front of the Heritage Museum England. We drove almost the same distance like you did, but I a 8 days timeframe, while visiting great spots and friends. Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley Pageant festival of Power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5co7nCNTGI We stayed with friends, where the lady?s father has great history of being a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the fifties registered OKV2! Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens dave via Mgs Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 17:10 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT This morning I am recovering!!!!! We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri. We trailered up from Dallas, left the rig with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time. Put 900 miles on the car all in all. Saw some amazing sights and really experienced ?The Mother Road.? Traveled with my 30 year old son. Good times!!! From: Mgs On Behalf Of Rick via Mgs Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM To: Hans Duinhoven Cc: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT Thanks Hans, and good afternoon! Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially for older vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace every one of them before you experience a petrol fire! Rick Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it. On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: Well Rick, The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. We?ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long. But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973). The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year. Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being able to park it. And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the quality is terrible. Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered and I made it fit. As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless the choke was used all time. It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad. The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a still standing carb clogged. Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue. The bike went like old days again afterwards! The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction piston) a few months ago. So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed overheating and were damaged. So I replaced these. Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled the job somehow. The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the original. So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not hitting the cooling rib. Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with the flange. Remembered me to the BGT?s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties. Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. >From a wet Holland ? Cheers! Hans 71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs Verzonden: zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40 Aan: MGs Onderwerp: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! Rick Virusvrij. www.avast.com -- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3412.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 6874185 bytes Desc: not available URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 11:06:15 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 12:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <006e01d57c61$e69f5010$b3ddf030$@planet.nl> References: <004b01d57c45$c6040ec0$520c2c40$@planet.nl> <00bb01d57c58$29f07b50$7dd171f0$@ranteer.com> <006e01d57c61$e69f5010$b3ddf030$@planet.nl> Message-ID: Great fun!!! On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 12:00 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > I always drive with our 33 old son Dave (!) > > Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT?s home grounds, United Kingdom, > where he pictured Paul Hunt and me with our MG?s in front of the Heritage > Museum England. > > We drove almost the same distance like you did, but I a 8 days timeframe, > while visiting great spots and friends. > > Visited great classic car events a.o. Cholmondeley Pageant festival of > Power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5co7nCNTGI > > We stayed with friends, where the lady?s father has great history of being > a Jaguar works driver of a D-Type in the fifties registered OKV2! > > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > > > *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *dave via Mgs > *Verzonden:* zondag 6 oktober 2019 17:10 > *Aan:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT > > > > This morning I am recovering!!!!! > > > > We got back late last night from a fantastic trip running route 66 across > Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri. We trailered up from Dallas, left the rig > with a friend in Tulsa, and had an absolutely amazing time. Put 900 miles > on the car all in all. Saw some amazing sights and really experienced ?The > Mother Road.? > > > > Traveled with my 30 year old son. Good times!!! > > > > *From:* Mgs *On Behalf Of *Rick via Mgs > *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 9:46 AM > *To:* Hans Duinhoven > *Cc:* MGs > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT > > > > Thanks Hans, and good afternoon! > > > > Alchohol contaminated petrol is a big problem here too, especially for > older vehicles. It eats the inside of older rubber hoses!!! Replace every > one of them before you experience a petrol fire! > > > > Rick > > Attached: My TR3 a couple of years after I sold it. > > > > On Oct 6, 2019 7:58 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > > Well Rick, > > > > The Sunday in the Netherlands is dull due to autumn rain and chill temps. > > We?ve skipped the MGCC club tour, as it rains all day long. > > > > But yesterday I spent work on two of my Puch classic mopeds (1970 -1973). > > > > The 1973 model suffered of a broken central stand last year. > > Left me in a nasty position being able to ride the bike, but not being > able to park it. > > And a new stand is a problem, because these all are aftermarket and the > quality is terrible. > > Finally last week a replacement stand of acceptable quality was delivered > and I made it fit. > > As the bike stood still for over a year, it did not want to start unless > the choke was used all time. > > It proved to be, that a stand still period for a long time is bad. > > The European law forcing bio-ethanol added to the regular fuel makes a > still standing carb clogged. > > Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even > post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. > > So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT > will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. > > Cleaning the carb float chamber and jet solved the issue. > > The bike went like old days again afterwards! > > > > The 1970 model suffered of a running hot piston (sudden high friction > piston) a few months ago. > > So a week ago I took all apart and the piston and cylinder showed > overheating and were damaged. > > So I replaced these. > > Not a very difficult job to do, but again the aftermarket quality spoiled > the job somehow. > > The exhaust side of the new cylinder is not really the same fit as the > original. > > So I had to change the shape of the exhaust pipe flange, in order not > hitting the cooling rib. > > Also the exhaust pipe gasket had to be reshaped, in order to fit well with > the flange. > > > > Remembered me to the BGT?s replacement front bumper in the mid-nineties. > > Poor fit and lots of wiggling to get it mounted well. > > > > From a wet Holland ? Cheers! > > Hans > > 71 BGT NRG w/w no o/d > > > > > > > > > > *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *Richard Lindsay > via Mgs > *Verzonden:* zondag 6 oktober 2019 13:40 > *Aan:* MGs > *Onderwerp:* [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT > > > > Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! > > > > Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) > done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the > Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with > fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it > about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready > for tomorrow's transport. > > > > Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on > the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, > the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and > the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car > will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage > cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and > efficiently. > > > > As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now > don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the > first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After > completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. > > > > You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I > know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects > for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > Virusvrij. www.avast.com > > > > > > Virusvrij. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1139369903323617802_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 14:16:59 2019 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 15:16:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <006e01d57c61$e69f5010$b3ddf030$@planet.nl> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigbrownlee at cox.net Sun Oct 6 15:05:05 2019 From: craigbrownlee at cox.net (Craig Brownlee) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, I love what you do with your grandson. My Sunday afternoon is being spent researching the MGB ignition process. My B hasn?t been driven much over the past few years because of a problem that I?m assuming is probably points related. It was running great after my mechanic did a tune up and then it started sputtering and now can?t pull itself around the driveway. At the last service my mechanic convinced me to replace the Petronix electronic ignition for points. I?m hoping that reinstalling the electronic ignition will cure my problem. Watching YouTube videos to make sure I will know how to do it. Finally cooling off here in Tulsa so it is perfect MG weather. Craig Craig Brownlee, PE LLC 918.728.5950 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > ? > Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! > > Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. > > Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. > > As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. > > You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/craigbrownlee at cox.net From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Oct 7 01:41:31 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 08:41:31 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT References: Message-ID: Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high octanes. There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints. If the move against diesel gathers pace that may force their hands. The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the quality of the rubber itself. I've always (30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now. While 98 octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it. Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition. I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking. When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour. I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals. If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 05:40:10 2019 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:40:10 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Craig, Give the Pertronix a go, now that you have them/it. It should work OK. Don?t be reticent about using points, though, as they can always be set well enough to limp home, whereas Pertronix works or not-no in between. Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body. If you are experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, replace the 40 year-old thing. Bob > On Oct 6, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Craig Brownlee via Mgs wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > I love what you do with your grandson. > > My Sunday afternoon is being spent researching the MGB ignition process. My B hasn?t been driven much over the past few years because of a problem that I?m assuming is probably points related. It was running great after my mechanic did a tune up and then it started sputtering and now can?t pull itself around the driveway. At the last service my mechanic convinced me to replace the Petronix electronic ignition for points. I?m hoping that reinstalling the electronic ignition will cure my problem. > > Watching YouTube videos to make sure I will know how to do it. Finally cooling off here in Tulsa so it is perfect MG weather. > > Craig > > Craig Brownlee, PE LLC > 918.728.5950 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! >> >> Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. >> >> Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required, valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. >> >> As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. >> >> You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! >> >> Rick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/craigbrownlee at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Oct 7 05:52:58 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:52:58 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT References: Message-ID: If the points or other trigger are iffy you normally get the tach needle jumping around with any misfire. If the tach is steady it's more likely to be HT or fuel. Could be the condenser with points - especially if recently replaced, but they usually work or they don't. The little wire Robert refers to - which originally was brown cloth-insulated tinsel wire - is needed for under-cap triggers such as Pertronix and points. It's not used where only the pickup is under the cap and the electronics are external such as Optronic or Magnetronic. With vacuum advance it is continually being flexed back and fore so can fracture eventually. The 25D4 points wire from the external spade is the same. On 45D4 distributors where the points wire passes out though a hole in the distributor body, that is black plastic insulated, is designed to be more flexible than standard wire, but can still fracture internally. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between > the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body. If you are > experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, > replace the 40 year-old thing. From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Oct 7 07:20:42 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:20:42 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT References: Message-ID: <0E31C39DEECA4DD78DF5FB70FC15F035@paul> If local law insists they add ethanol to a certain proportion, which has the side-effect of increasing octane, why would they continue using some other octane-boosting constituent? In fact surely they would have no choice but to reduce or eliminate it in order to maintain a given octane. Unless they let the octane rise several points but market it as lower octane and sell it at that lower octane price ... 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The still-to-be final-bled brakes held, even as we loaded the car on the flatbed truck. We motored to my mechanic's shop where the car unloaded with similar lack of aplomb, if unwarranted. I dropped off the keys at the front desk and bummed a drive back home from the shop's front office lady. After a small lunch I felt chilled - which is hard to do in Houston's heat! :-P My wife did a quick check and verified a low-grade fever. I went to bed and slept over 3 hours. This evening I feel better...and I don't believe that its just the Tylenol talking. Last dose was over 5 hours ago, but I haven't tested again for fever. Earlier I had some rice and applesauce with no I'll effects. I may survive this. I hope so! I've got an LBC to get to the paint shop! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Oct 8 04:18:44 2019 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] MGB Ignition Idle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1706026489.3353033.1570529924196@mail.yahoo.com> I am the original owner of a 1973 MGB with 227,000 miles on the odometer. A couple of years ago with the last rebuild, I\we installed a Petronix's ignition and had Mr. Johnson rebuild the HIF4 carbs replacing the throttle body shafts. I had rebuilt the carbs a couple of times in the past but never had the throttle body shafts replaced. This was the best things I\we had done and wish I\we had done this 5 years ago. The car starts on the first turn of the key and idles and runs great. Any starting or idle issues , I would highly recommend doing these 2 things. Cost about $400. What a difference! Of course always carry a new set of points, condenser and rotor in the boot in case any issue with Petronix. The look is stock above the distributor cap with one extra wire and the way it starts, runs and idles, these 2 items, in my opinion, are well worth the cost. To determine if your throttle shafts are leaking, start car and at operating temp, spray some carb cleaner around shafts. Any change in idle RPM'S indicate shafts are leaking air. Regards Joel Martin On Monday, October 7, 2019, 2:00:10 PM EDT, wrote: Send Mgs mailing list submissions to ??? mgs at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? mgs-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? mgs-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (Rick) ? 2. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (Craig Brownlee) ? 3. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (PaulHunt73) ? 4. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (Robert's New iPad) ? 5. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (PaulHunt73) ? 6. Re: Sunday morning, a bit OT (PaulHunt73) > Best drive with Dave was in 2011 to the GT?s home grounds, United> Kingdom, where he pictured ?Paul Hunt and me with our MG?s in front> of the Heritage Museum England. ? ?I'd love to meet you both face-to-face. I may join my friend Rui Gigante and attend the MGB-GT event. It would be great to be all together. Think I could smuggle a moped into my carry-on luggage? Rick?Hi Rick, I love what you do with your grandson. My Sunday afternoon is being spent researching? the MGB ignition process. My B hasn?t been driven much over the past few years because of a problem that I?m assuming is probably points related. It was running great after my mechanic did a tune up and then it started sputtering and now can?t pull itself around the driveway.? At the last service my mechanic convinced me to replace the Petronix electronic ignition for points. I?m hoping that reinstalling? the electronic ignition will cure my problem. Watching YouTube videos to make sure I will know how to do it. Finally cooling off here in Tulsa so it is perfect MG weather. Craig Craig Brownlee, PE LLC 918.728.5950 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > ? > Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! > > Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. > > Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,? valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. > > As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. > > You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/craigbrownlee at cox.net Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol?in both standard and high octanes.? There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements purely with bio diesel, and?don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints.? If the move against diesel gathers pace that may force their hands.?The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the quality of the rubber itself.? I've always (30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has?had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now.? While 98 octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it.? Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original?-?but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition.? I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking.? When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour.? I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals.?If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future.?PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. Hi Craig, ? Give the Pertronix a go, now that you have them/it.? It should work OK. ? Don?t be reticent about using points, though, as they can always be set well enough to limp home, whereas Pertronix works or not-no in between. ? Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body.? If you are experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, replace the 40 year-old thing. Bob > On Oct 6, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Craig Brownlee via Mgs wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > I love what you do with your grandson. > > My Sunday afternoon is being spent researching? the MGB ignition process. My B hasn?t been driven much over the past few years because of a problem that I?m assuming is probably points related. It was running great after my mechanic did a tune up and then it started sputtering and now can?t pull itself around the driveway.? At the last service my mechanic convinced me to replace the Petronix electronic ignition for points. I?m hoping that reinstalling? the electronic ignition will cure my problem. > > Watching YouTube videos to make sure I will know how to do it. Finally cooling off here in Tulsa so it is perfect MG weather. > > Craig > > Craig Brownlee, PE LLC > 918.728.5950 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Friends, and good morning from South Texas! >> >> Another hot day is forecast for today so I plan to get my car work (play?) done early. Two jobs are in the queue, neither of which involves the Maserati, strangely enough! :-P The first is filling two petrol jugs with fuel and heading to my shop. The Triumph TR6 ran out of gas while moving it about yesterday. My grandson and I ended up pushing it into position, ready for tomorrow's transport. >> >> Once the TR6 is fueled, its back to the house to spend an hour or so on the MG TD. That car is to get the other half of its tune up. Specifically, the timing will be checked, and adjusted as required,? valves adjusted, and the SU carburetors will get cleaned and the linkage lubricated. The car will get a new brake master cylinder, but not today. Rather, a garage cleanup is needed first so the master cylinder job can happen cleanly and efficiently. >> >> As much as I have enjoyed working on the Biturbo, it's nice that I now don't have to do so! It's running great. Yesterday, the car started at the first turn of the key and ran great as I moved cars around. After completing a few more competing projects, the car will get regular use. >> >> You? How are you spending your Sunday? Any LBC projects in the queue. I know some of you are contemplating winter storage and maintenance projects for your cars, but for us on America's south coast, its driving season! >> >> Rick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/craigbrownlee at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com If the points or other trigger are iffy you normally get the tach needle jumping around with any misfire.? If the tach is steady it's more likely to be HT or fuel.? Could be the condenser with points - especially if recently replaced, but they usually work or they don't. The little wire Robert refers to - which originally was brown cloth-insulated tinsel wire - is needed for under-cap triggers such as Pertronix and points.? It's not used where only the pickup is under the cap and the electronics are external such as Optronic or Magnetronic.? With vacuum advance it is continually being flexed back and fore so can fracture eventually.? The 25D4 points wire from the external spade is the same.? On 45D4 distributors where the points wire passes out though a hole in the distributor body, that is black plastic insulated, is designed to be more flexible than standard wire, but can still fracture internally. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >? Easily overlooked is the little, very little, black earth wire between > the moving plate of distributor and the distributor body.? If you are > experiencing intermittent electrics, check that for continuity, or better, > replace the 40 year-old thing. If?local law insists they add ethanol to a certain proportion, which has the side-effect of increasing octane, why would they continue using some other octane-boosting constituent?? In fact surely they would have no choice but to reduce?or eliminate?it in order to maintain a given octane.? Unless they let the octane rise several points but market it as lower octane and sell it at that lower octane price ...?PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is. ? _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 05:37:57 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 06:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Ignition Idle In-Reply-To: <1706026489.3353033.1570529924196@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1706026489.3353033.1570529924196@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good advice Joel, and congratulations on your long ownership! Here are a few more hopefully helpful ideas now surrounding your words. You wrote, > I\we installed a Petronix's ignition... I did the same on both my TD and TR3b, and plan to do so on my TR6. The issue with all of these cars was unstable slow idle timing. No electronic trigger system alone would solve that problem. My original assumption was wear and therefore slop in the distributor bushings, but that was not the case. The bushings were fine. The bits that were worn out were the pivot holes and posts in the centrifugal advance mechanisms. I observed the same problems in all three cars. There was nothing for it but to replace the distributors. Okay, perhaps some of the worn out bits could have been replaced if parts could have been sourced, but since the holes AND posts were worn, I bought new. Like Joel I opted for Pertronix brand but purchased the whole distributors. What an incredible improvement! I know owners often change to electronic ignition trigger modules for reliability but I changed the complete distributors for ignition timing stability. After upgrading, my TR3b would idle smoothly at 500 rpm! (But I set it as per the manual.) The TD would actually idle below 1500 rpm, which it wouldn't do before. :-P As I implied above, my next upgrade will be for the TR6, but that has to wait until after paint. The coin chest is running way too low. Joel also wrote, >...and had Mr. Johnson rebuild the HIF4 carbs replacing the throttle > body shafts. Yet another wise choice. Joel went on to say... > To determine if your throttle shafts are leaking, start car and at > operating temp, spray some carb cleaner around shafts. > Any change in idle RPM'S indicate shafts are leaking air. ...and that is a good test. Now allow me to offer yet another tip. Should one determine that air is being sucked in between the shafts and the bodies, here is a temporary BandAid fix while the owner saves up for a proper repair. Saturate snug fitting felt washers with vacuum grease and place them on the throttle shafts adjacent to the carb bodies. Use the linkage to hold them snugly against the bodies, or add a washer or two, as required. Vacuum grease is the stuff used in chemistry labs to seal glassware fittings. It is designed specifically to not migrate into the experiment, even under moderate heat. The same characteristic will keep it in place while sealing air from leaking into the gap between the worn throttle shafts and bores. Yes, it's a BandAid fix, not a proper repair, but it does do two valid things: It validates the problem identification, and it buys the owner time to save up for a proper repair. Thank you again Joel for reminding me to check my TR6's timing stability and throttle shafts for vacuum leaks! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 06:46:28 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:46:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello friends, Straight ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it with petrol increases the mixture's octane value. Of course, the quoted value on the pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of useless knowledge, I'm close to lost. Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia can probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added today to increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is. Rick On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high > octanes. There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to > increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements > purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get > bad publicity from complaints. If the move against diesel gathers pace > that may force their hands. > > The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the > quality of the rubber itself. I've always (30 years) run the roadster on > high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had ethanol > at 5% max for 20 years now. While 98 octane may not have contained ethanol > originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others > indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it. Four > years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was > crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as far as > the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition. I even slit a > piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking. > When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I > installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracking > - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour. I fitted non-braided > so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no > doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals. > > If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to be > labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the V8 > on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection > grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even > post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. > > So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. The BGT > will get the 98 octane fuel, which contains 5% bio-ethanol. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 16:43:47 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:43:47 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD progress Message-ID: Hello friends, My TR6 is at the paint shop so any work on it by me, is on hold. I did get started on my TD. There are two big jobs ahead of me. 1. Replace the brake master cylinder. And 2. Re-contour the seat back then reupholster. See attached. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:57 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > Hello friends, > My TR6 is at the paint shop so any work on it by me, is on hold. I did > get started on my TD. There are two big jobs ahead of me. 1. Replace the > brake master cylinder. And 2. Re-contour the seat back then reupholster. > See attached. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Sat Oct 12 11:51:34 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:51:34 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92E7E5CE-F3BE-4F5C-97F7-298BBCB8E017@sonic.net> In California, they used MTBE as an oxygenator, prior to the widespread use of ethanol. Now I believe it has been replaced with ethanol across the board. One hears a lot of complaints, but I haven?t had any real problems with 10% ethanol fuel in my MG. My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1 compression ratio V8, wasn?t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, but it ran with slightly retarded timing. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > Hello friends, > Straight ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it with petrol increases the mixture's octane value. Of course, the quoted value on the pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of useless knowledge, I'm close to lost. > Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia can probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added today to increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is. > > Rick > > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: >> Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high octanes. There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get bad publicity from complaints. If the move against diesel gathers pace that may force their hands. >> >> The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the quality of the rubber itself. I've always (30 years) run the roadster on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now. While 98 octane may not have contained ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and others indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought it. Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition. I even slit a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking. When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracking - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour. I fitted non-braided so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals. >> >> If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future. >> >> PaulH. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. >> So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. 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URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Sat Oct 12 12:21:53 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Sunday morning, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <92E7E5CE-F3BE-4F5C-97F7-298BBCB8E017@sonic.net> References: <92E7E5CE-F3BE-4F5C-97F7-298BBCB8E017@sonic.net> Message-ID: Only car I had problems with was my Lotus Esprit. Its fuel hose at the tanks, fell apart when I gently squeezed it. Fortunately, that 'wasn't my first rodeo' and I had an oil change pan under it! On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:51 PM Max Heim wrote: > In California, they used MTBE as an oxygenator, prior to the widespread > use of ethanol. Now I believe it has been replaced with ethanol across the > board. > > One hears a lot of complaints, but I haven?t had any real problems with > 10% ethanol fuel in my MG. My muscle car, with an advertised 10.5:1 > compression ratio V8, wasn?t very happy with 91 octane CA blend, but it ran > with slightly retarded timing. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs > wrote: > > Hello friends, > Straight ethanol has an equivalent octane rating of 113, so mixing it > with petrol increases the mixture's octane value. Of course, the quoted > value on the pump already takes this into account. Beyond that gem of > useless knowledge, I'm close to lost. > Petrol is a mixture of hydrocarbons. We all know that. And Wikipedia > can probably list them all in volume fraction order. But what is added > today to increase the 87 octane value, other than ethanol? It used to be > TEL, or tetraethyllead, but those days are long gone. The skeptical and > distrusting scientist in me wants to believe that petrol manufacturers are > using the ethanol content to elevate the effective octane rating thereby > saving the other octane boosting stuff, whatever it is. > > Rick > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 3:11 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs > wrote: > >> Fortunately the UK still has 5% max ethanol in both standard and high >> octanes. There is 'moral' pressure from some quarters on the Government to >> increase it to 10% max but suppliers can meet their legal requirements >> purely with bio diesel, and don't want to be the first to go to 10% and get >> bad publicity from complaints. If the move against diesel gathers pace >> that may force their hands. >> >> The main problem with fuel hoses and everything else rubber here is the >> quality of the rubber itself. I've always (30 years) run the roadster >> on high octane but the V8 (24 years) always on standard which has had >> ethanol at 5% max for 20 years now. While 98 octane may not have contained >> ethanol originally, suppliers tended to be cagey when asked directly, and >> others indicated that it varied according to where in the UK you bought >> it. Four years ago I decided to replace the V8 pump hoses as the braiding >> was crumbling when it came to me so they were probably original - but as >> far as the rubber goes the old ones were in perfect condition. I even slit >> a piece lengthwise and opened it out but there wasn't a trace of cracking. >> When I first got the V8 it didn't have any carb overflow hoses so I >> installed them, and they have had to be replaced since from severe cracking >> - and they don't even carry liquid fuel, only vapour. I fitted non-braided >> so I can keep an eye on the external condition at least, but I have no >> doubt they won't last anywhere near as long as the originals. >> >> If standard here goes up to 10% - fortunately pumps are now required to >> be labelled clearly on the pump as well as the nozzle itself - I'll run the >> V8 on high octane as well, as that has been designated 'petrol protection >> grade' for older vehicles for the foreseeable future. >> >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Last week 95 octane fuel has to be 10% bio-ethanol, which makes even >> post-modern cars vulnerable for this nasty fuel additive. >> >> So I?ll change the type of fuel for my mopeds to a special one. 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URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 11:36:18 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD work Message-ID: Hello Friends, Great progress on the TD today. First up, I completed the seat re-contouring. I first removed covering from the back of the seat back. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104712.jpg I pulled about a million long staples from the hard marine grade plywood that I used. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104640.jpg By the time I got them all out my hands were red and sore. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104609.jpg After that, I got quite busy reshaping foam and forgot to take pictures. I did take a nice picture after re-contouring the foam and reattaching the upholstery. Here's how it looks back in the car. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104051.jpg Lots better and more comfortable. As for the brake master cylinder, I am going to have it put in at my mechanic's shop. It will be so much easier to replace once its on a lift. We'll then re-bleed the whole system. More when that happens. Rick From ddarby at centurytel.net Tue Oct 15 12:34:11 2019 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:34:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f401d58387$23a49570$6aedc050$@centurytel.net> Richard, Good job! Thanks for posting. David Darby > -----Original Message----- > From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard > Lindsay via Mgs > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:36 PM > To: mgs at autox.team.net List > Subject: [Mgs] TD work > > Hello Friends, > Great progress on the TD today. First up, I completed the seat re- > contouring. I first removed covering from the back of the seat back. > From barrob at bell.net Wed Oct 16 10:09:34 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:09:34 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas generator. Message-ID: <633b0008-ce21-dd70-f7c3-126232553ab7@bell.net> Hello folks, I have Lucas generator which came off a rebuilt Rover 3.5L V8 engine that I bought to go into my being-built MGB GT V8.?? But I used one with greater output - so it is spare.? Anyone want it? Details are - Refurbished? by Ministry of Defense UK - 22258E 12V. It's heavy so shipping will be a little expensive. Prices on line vary from $100 to $500 (for Alfa Romeo - huh?).?? I would take $100. Cheers Barrie From richardolindsay at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 18:05:09 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD footwell upholstery Message-ID: Hello All, I am about to attach the new footwell side panels in my TD. The ends down near the pedals and passenger footrest have to be formed around the dash scuttle frame, but there's no obvious way to keep the panel formed to the body. In Schsch's restoration manual, the picture of that area looks like the worker attached the panels with screws...but there are no holes in the tub. I plan to drill four small holes in each of the panels and attach them to the tub with screws. There's very little spare room in the footwells of a TD and I don't want a panel coming loose right when I need both feet for the clutch and brake! Thus the screws. I may get that job tomorrow. Today I cleaned the whole garage, including pulling the cars out, including the the TD. It started and ran fine, as did the Lancia. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Oct 23 14:15:08 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:15:08 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] TD work Message-ID: <00c801d589de$912f7850$b38e68f0$@planet.nl> Keep up the good work Rick. Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs Verzonden: dinsdag 15 oktober 2019 19:36 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net List Onderwerp: [Mgs] TD work Hello Friends, Great progress on the TD today. First up, I completed the seat re-contouring. I first removed covering from the back of the seat back. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104712.jpg I pulled about a million long staples from the hard marine grade plywood that I used. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104640.jpg By the time I got them all out my hands were red and sore. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104609.jpg After that, I got quite busy reshaping foam and forgot to take pictures. I did take a nice picture after re-contouring the foam and reattaching the upholstery. Here's how it looks back in the car. http://aubard.us/53_MG/20191015_104051.jpg Lots better and more comfortable. As for the brake master cylinder, I am going to have it put in at my mechanic's shop. It will be so much easier to replace once its on a lift. We'll then re-bleed the whole system. More when that happens. Rick _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven at planet.nl -- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave at ranteer.com Sun Oct 27 21:45:52 2019 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 Message-ID: <000001d58d42$32c46f70$984d4e50$@ranteer.com> I have an MGA 1500, later car, that was modified in some interesting ways. MGB engine, MGB interior door opening handles, etc. We are pulling it apart to repaint - DPO repainted it candy apple red, right over the fender beading. Its not a great paint job. The front wings came off ok; the rear wings appear to be welded at the door sills. Is this how it came? I have checked MGAGuru, and it includes a book that says disconnect a bunch of bolts and slide it out. So I'm thinking this is not right? And I have to figure out how to get it out? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Mon Oct 28 12:14:40 2019 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> Not right. A DPO (Damn Previous Owner) must have done that. The shut face panel (#18 here: https://mossmotors.com/mga/body-panels-structure/body-panels-inner) slightly overlaps the forward edge of the rear fender. Have you removed that? It shouldn't be necessary to do so but it might make it easier to see how the fender was previously "repaired".? If has been welded to the B-pillar you'll have to cut through the weld beads. Eric Russell Mebane, NC > The front wings came off ok; the rear wings appear to be welded at the door > sills. Is this how it came? > From dave at ranteer.com Mon Oct 28 12:29:25 2019 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:29:25 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 In-Reply-To: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> References: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> Does anyone have a picture of an mga with the rear wing removed? I'm trying to figure out how to get that off From aekell at aol.com Mon Oct 28 13:12:03 2019 From: aekell at aol.com (Alan Kellogg) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 In-Reply-To: <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> References: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <699887586.2394931.1572289923739@mail.yahoo.com> MGA workshop manual section S.6.? If you don't have one you can find one at MGA guru.? You have to remove the rear splah panel to access the bolts between it and the bumper.? If the car is very complete and is trimmed behind the seats you will have to remove the trim to access one last bolt that is installed from the inside. Alan -----Original Message----- From: dave via Mgs To: mgs Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2019 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 1500 Does anyone have a picture of an mga with the rear wing removed?? I'm trying to figure out how to get that off _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aekell at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 14:43:31 2019 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 In-Reply-To: <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> References: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <604813981.3441604.1572295411606@mail.yahoo.com> ?? Some pictures here: http://tildebang.com/mg/index19.html http://tildebang.com/mg/index14.html On Monday, October 28, 2019, 11:29:31 AM PDT, dave via Mgs wrote: Does anyone have a picture of an mga with the rear wing removed?? I'm trying to figure out how to get that off _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/david_breneman at yahoo.com From dave at ranteer.com Mon Oct 28 20:09:26 2019 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:09:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 In-Reply-To: <604813981.3441604.1572295411606@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0fad818d-1100-72d1-9c22-e2dfb473aaf6@mebtel.net> <003301d58dbd$a0dd2300$e2976900$@ranteer.com> <604813981.3441604.1572295411606@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501d58dfd$e4948a80$adbd9f80$@ranteer.com> Have 3 of 4 wings off. Special thanks to Dave B who sent me some very good pics. Looks like the driver side rear wing is bondo'd in. my son and I are going to get after it very carefully. Now that we have the pictures and the passenger side off we feel confident we can get that 4th wing off. A little more cleanup and its off to the paint shop. Car is a very garish cherry red. Clearly it was blue originally. Its going back to blue! On Monday, October 28, 2019, 11:29:31 AM PDT, dave via Mgs wrote: Does anyone have a picture of an mga with the rear wing removed? I'm trying to figure out how to get that off _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/david_breneman at yahoo.com From weberstevej at aol.com Tue Oct 29 08:53:22 2019 From: weberstevej at aol.com (Steve Weber) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A7239E9-10C3-45F1-8EED-670AD8E0B05B@aol.com> No Dave, fenders were not originally welded to the body. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2019, at 2:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > ?Send Mgs mailing list submissions to > mgs at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mgs-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mgs-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MGA 1500 (dave) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:45:52 -0500 > From: "dave" > To: > Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1500 > Message-ID: <000001d58d42$32c46f70$984d4e50$@ranteer.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have an MGA 1500, later car, that was modified in some interesting ways. > MGB engine, MGB interior door opening handles, etc. > > > > We are pulling it apart to repaint - DPO repainted it candy apple red, right > over the fender beading. Its not a great paint job. > > > > The front wings came off ok; the rear wings appear to be welded at the door > sills. Is this how it came? > > > > I have checked MGAGuru, and it includes a book that says disconnect a bunch > of bolts and slide it out. So I'm thinking this is not right? 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Just seeking a lead as to a source of information or marque forum for this vehicle, and a possible venue for selling it, to pass onto the actual owner. Thanks for any help. -- Max Heim '66 MGB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eyera3000 at gmail.com Tue Oct 29 20:27:09 2019 From: eyera3000 at gmail.com (i erbs) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Sprite/midget brake calipers Message-ID: Putting my 65 sprite front brakes back together. Looking for photos or video of where the brackets go and how to reinstall the calipers. Replaced front hubs and rotors. Thanks Ira Erbs Portland, OR typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Oct 30 02:18:36 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 08:18:36 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Anyone know anything about pre-war Rovers? [OT] References: <1A7239E9-10C3-45F1-8EED-670AD8E0B05B@aol.com> Message-ID: <63184F9DF609465984C49D2B9C1276C5@paul> Have you or he tried Googling 'pre war Rover club'? ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Heim via Mgs To: MGs Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:33 PM Subject: [Mgs] Anyone know anything about pre-war Rovers? [OT] I was just contacted by a friend of a friend?s friend regarding disposing of an inherited pre-war Rover. No, I don't know what model, just the year 1939. Just seeking a lead as to a source of information or marque forum for this vehicle, and a possible venue for selling it, to pass onto the actual owner. 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Looking for photos >or video of where the brackets go and how to reinstall the calipers. >Replaced front hubs and rotors. >Thanks > >Ira Erbs >Portland, OR >typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone >.... From richardolindsay at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 08:58:11 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 09:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Painted OT Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20191030_082455.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1127574 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20191030_082519.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1422315 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Wed Oct 30 10:46:31 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 09:46:31 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Anyone know anything about pre-war Rovers? [OT] In-Reply-To: <63184F9DF609465984C49D2B9C1276C5@paul> References: <1A7239E9-10C3-45F1-8EED-670AD8E0B05B@aol.com> <63184F9DF609465984C49D2B9C1276C5@paul> Message-ID: Yes, I did. All in the UK or Australia. I mean, this isn?t even someone I know, so I am not doing any research on the car myself. They just didn?t seem to even know where to start, and I got fingered as someone who knew something about British cars. -- Max Heim mvheim at sonic.net > On Oct 30, 2019, at 1:18 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > > Have you or he tried Googling 'pre war Rover club'? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Max Heim via Mgs >> To: MGs >> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:33 PM >> Subject: [Mgs] Anyone know anything about pre-war Rovers? [OT] >> >> I was just contacted by a friend of a friend?s friend regarding disposing of an inherited pre-war Rover. No, I don't know what model, just the year 1939. >> >> Just seeking a lead as to a source of information or marque forum for this vehicle, and a possible venue for selling it, to pass onto the actual owner. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at ece.rochester.edu Wed Oct 30 11:59:56 2019 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:59:56 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Painted OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <896B9EB9-5993-4FAA-9C3E-6602CC0D40A2@ur.rochester.edu> Looks great! but all that work and did not remove the bumpers and the light buckets? 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URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Oct 30 15:41:21 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:41:21 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MG BGT UK event Message-ID: <00ce01d58f6a$c56fee10$504fca30$@planet.nl> Hi Paul, Is there any info to your knowledge, that there will be a UK event next year for some celebration of the MG BGT? If it is an anniversary, it will be it 55th. Cheers, Hans -- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britfan1 at epix.net Thu Oct 31 19:25:22 2019 From: britfan1 at epix.net (S. Carr) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB drive shaft measurement Message-ID: <61EBED99FD834A8DA325CA23D6826E67@HomePC> Dealing with one problem (seized-up steering) in the ?71 B/GT has, as usual, revealed others that might as well be dealt with while the car is up on jack stands.... We now have the cross-member out to renew the transmission rubber mounts (reduced to a squashed, gooey mass) and are wondering if the DPO who replaced the original rear axle with an earlier banjo-type did not install a matching drive shaft but kept the original. The drive shaft can just barely be jammed in place. The Moss cat. gives lengths of the various drive shafts ? from where to where does one measure? (We assume that the two pieces have to be shoved together for this measurement.) Also, can anyone give us the over-all length of the overdrive and non-overdrive gearboxes? Thanks in advance, Sarah Carr B/GT in PA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: