From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Fri Nov 1 02:33:31 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:33:31 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGB drive shaft measurement References: <61EBED99FD834A8DA325CA23D6826E67@HomePC> Message-ID: This may help http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/propshafttext.htm#length PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... We now have the cross-member out to renew the transmission rubber mounts (reduced to a squashed, gooey mass) and are wondering if the DPO who replaced the original rear axle with an earlier banjo-type did not install a matching drive shaft but kept the original. The drive shaft can just barely be jammed in place. The Moss cat. gives lengths of the various drive shafts ? from where to where does one measure? (We assume that the two pieces have to be shoved together for this measurement.) 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Would also like to find a front valance to use in a rubber bumper to chrome bumper conversion. Thanks in advance for your reply. Jim From paul at ece.rochester.edu Tue Nov 5 12:05:01 2019 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:05:01 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Wiper blades & arms In-Reply-To: <87664c07-ed95-2200-775c-a3736375534a@hartcom.net> References: <87664c07-ed95-2200-775c-a3736375534a@hartcom.net> Message-ID: <5342BFD0-E048-458D-B580-0B68215A9E74@ur.rochester.edu> Other than a salvage yard only place I have been able to find them is from Moss or VB . paul On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Jim Ray via Mgs > wrote: I am looking for a set of chrome wiper blades and arm that will fit a 1980 MGB. Would also like to find a front valance to use in a rubber bumper to chrome bumper conversion. Thanks in advance for your reply. Jim _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=48NtGMFpnZWOS7SwVD0pFA6iHFiwSfeV__epBF8gt-I&s=qAkRCC8uKJxkjFaFqY8cdQYUdAwFVIvKsEeKf8LNkoc&e= Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=48NtGMFpnZWOS7SwVD0pFA6iHFiwSfeV__epBF8gt-I&s=J0PUPa_jTmsew0HvX_r3ZmFNB3xen-KNU8xF2cGJ23k&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=48NtGMFpnZWOS7SwVD0pFA6iHFiwSfeV__epBF8gt-I&s=f1zl6cTpbTM7-QlRfB6rI7cPXuN0iMzeokISi9hWAsM&e= Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=48NtGMFpnZWOS7SwVD0pFA6iHFiwSfeV__epBF8gt-I&s=rjU5f3SviIRAJR-mBPSmyVM_NPrz32KmG0lwjBxlIsg&e= Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejrussell at mebtel.net Tue Nov 5 16:36:09 2019 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric Russell) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Freight shipper? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am looking for a quote on having an OD transmission shipped from NY, USA > to UT, USA. > I haven't had anything freight shipped in years. Does anyone have a > favorite? I pick-up/drop-off at a terminal shouldn't be a problem. Is there a Fastenal store near by? I shipped an MGA transmission from NC to ID or UT (I forget which) via Fastenal last year. I secured it to a pallet and dropped it off at the Fastenal store near me. They put it on a truck heading towards the destination. The recipient picked it up from a Fastenal store near him. The cost was reasonable. It took about 2 weeks and there was no tracking except for when it left NC and when it arrived at the destination. Eric Russell Mebane, NC From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 6 01:22:50 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:22:50 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Wiper blades & arms References: <87664c07-ed95-2200-775c-a3736375534a@hartcom.net> Message-ID: <65CCC2C564DA407BA4831F6C735F757A@paul> They were black from 1972, several different lengths of both over the years, different spindle positions (and numbers of them!), and different degrees of wipe as well as differences between roadster and GT. Unless the black ones are now manufactured in chrome there may be compromises. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I am looking for a set of chrome wiper blades and arm that will fit a 1980 >MGB. From lundgren at byu.net Thu Nov 7 14:53:40 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Message-ID: Is there a way to determine the build month/year for an O/D transmission? It is a blue tag with the S/N 22/62005 04682 I know it is post 74 since it is blue, but don't know more about it. Thanks! -- Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Thu Nov 7 14:57:04 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:57:04 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I missed a digit in the serial number. 22/62005 046821 On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:53 PM Andrew Lundgren wrote: > Is there a way to determine the build month/year for an O/D transmission? > > It is a blue tag with the S/N 22/62005 04682 > > I know it is post 74 since it is blue, but don't know more about it. > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sat Nov 9 02:39:36 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 10:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> This site may be useful for this kind of information. https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 hope this helps. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT NRG no o/d Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Andrew Lundgren via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 7 november 2019 22:57 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? I missed a digit in the serial number. 22/62005 046821 On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:53 PM Andrew Lundgren wrote: Is there a way to determine the build month/year for an O/D transmission? It is a blue tag with the S/N 22/62005 04682 I know it is post 74 since it is blue, but don't know more about it. Thanks! -- Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sat Nov 9 03:20:16 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 11:20:16 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> Message-ID: <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? I wonder if they let you. During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 Aan: Hans Duinhoven Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- This site may be useful for this kind of information. https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sat Nov 9 05:20:40 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 12:20:40 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> See https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records If you don't ask you don't get :o) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Hans Duinhoven To: 'PaulHunt73' Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? I wonder if they let you. During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 Aan: Hans Duinhoven Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- This site may be useful for this kind of information. https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sun Nov 10 10:58:21 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:58:21 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> Message-ID: <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> Looks to be a fair policy. But I was a bit disappointed, that I was not allowed to make a picture of the GT?s entry in the BMIHT register with my simple camera. All these entries car by car hand written into this book. And very easy to read. This book looked to me as a piece of art. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens PaulHunt73 via Mgs Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 13:21 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? See https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records If you don't ask you don't get :o) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Hans Duinhoven To: 'PaulHunt73' Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? I wonder if they let you. During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 Aan: Hans Duinhoven Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- This site may be useful for this kind of information. https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at ece.rochester.edu Sun Nov 10 16:33:18 2019 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:33:18 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> I have been repair/ rebuilding Laycock trans for some time and have not been able to come up with any info on date build, if there is any. I have asked these that have been doing it a lot longer than I and have been told if there is they do not know. Oh well, then again does it matter? paul On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > wrote: Looks to be a fair policy. But I was a bit disappointed, that I was not allowed to make a picture of the GT?s entry in the BMIHT register with my simple camera. All these entries car by car hand written into this book. And very easy to read. This book looked to me as a piece of art. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens PaulHunt73 via Mgs Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 13:21 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? See https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records If you don't ask you don't get :o) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Hans Duinhoven > To: 'PaulHunt73' > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? I wonder if they let you. During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 Aan: Hans Duinhoven Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- This site may be useful for this kind of information. https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=QiqKn0fpLSGy_IpXIPh4k1brENTBW_xmfSjEq5ngJLU&e= Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=rJD1Y7tge2qnyFJcrNwA0MQ3LBxpQ8K72EITTONX4Pw&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=VKplZ4FI3arFpge-e5_n_7HFGM4qQjn92Ce9XxpS9ds&e= Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=sb0GoKNU8SWW9Y8mT1czhJ_4lURtmB_9gqhltshG_QQ&e= Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Sun Nov 10 16:43:14 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:43:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. -- Andrew On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 4:33 PM Osborne, Paul via Mgs wrote: > I have been repair/ rebuilding Laycock trans for some time and have not > been able to come up with any info on date build, if there is any. I have > asked these that have been doing it a lot longer than I and have been told > if there is they do not know. Oh well, then again does it matter? > > > paul > > On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > wrote: > > Looks to be a fair policy. > But I was a bit disappointed, that I was not allowed to make a picture of > the GT?s entry in the BMIHT register with my simple camera. > All these entries car by car hand written into this book. > And very easy to read. This book looked to me as a piece of art. > > Cheers, > Hans > > > *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net > ] *Namens *PaulHunt73 via Mgs > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 november 2019 13:21 > *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven > *CC:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > See > https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records > > > If you don't ask you don't get :o) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Hans Duinhoven > To: 'PaulHunt73' > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 > Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? > > I wonder if they let you. > > During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. > > DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. > > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > > > *Van:* PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com > ] > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 > *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > > > No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage > certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in > Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling > through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. > > > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > This site may be useful for this kind of information. > > https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates > > > After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the > BMIHT Heritage Certificate. > > The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. > > Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=QiqKn0fpLSGy_IpXIPh4k1brENTBW_xmfSjEq5ngJLU&e= > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=rJD1Y7tge2qnyFJcrNwA0MQ3LBxpQ8K72EITTONX4Pw&e= > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=VKplZ4FI3arFpge-e5_n_7HFGM4qQjn92Ce9XxpS9ds&e= > > > Unsubscribe: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=sb0GoKNU8SWW9Y8mT1czhJ_4lURtmB_9gqhltshG_QQ&e= > > > > Paul Osborne > Department of Electrical and Computer Eng > University of Rochester > 201 Hopeman Building RC > Rochester NY 14627 > > 585-275-5226 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Sun Nov 10 17:06:42 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:06:42 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <4A3356C8-7D30-484E-B052-502084CE0D9F@sonic.net> If it?s a blue label it?s a late one. No? -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > > Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. > > I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. > > I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. > > -- > Andrew > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 4:33 PM Osborne, Paul via Mgs > wrote: > I have been repair/ rebuilding Laycock trans for some time and have not been able to come up with any info on date build, if there is any. I have asked these that have been doing it a lot longer than I and have been told if there is they do not know. Oh well, then again does it matter? > > > paul > >> On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > wrote: >> >> Looks to be a fair policy. >> But I was a bit disappointed, that I was not allowed to make a picture of the GT?s entry in the BMIHT register with my simple camera. >> All these entries car by car hand written into this book. >> And very easy to read. This book looked to me as a piece of art. >> >> Cheers, >> Hans >> >> >> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net ] Namens PaulHunt73 via Mgs >> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 13:21 >> Aan: Hans Duinhoven >> CC: mgs at autox.team.net >> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >> >> See https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records >> >> If you don't ask you don't get :o) >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: Hans Duinhoven > >>> To: 'PaulHunt73' > >>> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net >>> Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 >>> Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >>> >>>> ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? >>>> >>>> I wonder if they let you. >>>> >>>> During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. >>>> >>>> DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com ] >>>> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 >>>> Aan: Hans Duinhoven >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PaulH. >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This site may be useful for this kind of information. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates >>>>> After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. >>>>> >>>>> The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=QiqKn0fpLSGy_IpXIPh4k1brENTBW_xmfSjEq5ngJLU&e= >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=rJD1Y7tge2qnyFJcrNwA0MQ3LBxpQ8K72EITTONX4Pw&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=VKplZ4FI3arFpge-e5_n_7HFGM4qQjn92Ce9XxpS9ds&e= >> >> Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=sb0GoKNU8SWW9Y8mT1czhJ_4lURtmB_9gqhltshG_QQ&e= > >> Paul Osborne >> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng >> University of Rochester >> 201 Hopeman Building RC >> Rochester NY 14627 > 585-275-5226 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 11 01:40:01 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:40:01 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> None of that is to do with the OD itself. Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the solenoid. Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Mon Nov 11 06:35:54 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> Message-ID: I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't have the shift lever. A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 wrote: > None of that is to do with the OD itself. > > Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the > gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the > TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was > added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was > wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a > 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect > that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was > deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th > only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now > controlled both OD and TCSA. > > The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD > manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted > back to some other switch, as you wish. > > The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the > column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there > to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to > the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, > and from there to the solenoid. > > Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black > label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used > on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if > you end up with the wrong combination. > > So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the > gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was > new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has > the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever > switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. > (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it > should have had as well as which gears it should work on. > > I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still > trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He > doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. > > I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 11 07:41:11 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:41:11 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> Message-ID: <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> The 78 has a different lever and hold-down ring as well as the knob with the switch, so you have to build up a complete lever, or find one somewhere. ?40 in the UK, $150 in the US! Option 2 is easier, but less convenient. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Mon Nov 11 08:09:57 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:09:57 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> Message-ID: Bummer. Good to know though. Maybe I can get a level shipped from the UK!! On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:05 AM PaulHunt73 wrote: > The 78 has a different lever and hold-down ring as well as the knob with > the switch, so you have to build up a complete lever, or find one > somewhere. ?40 in the UK, $150 in the US! > > Option 2 is easier, but less convenient. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot > right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at > options for how to install the O/D switch. > > From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the > '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or > put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 11 08:42:03 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:42:03 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> Message-ID: <44712B92DA384484B2ADED4CCE45994E@paul> One of three these people have for sale, and they do ship to the USA: https://tinyurl.com/vadrr82 This one is in better condition: https://tinyurl.com/vqoaawh I've dealt with them a few times for used parts. ----- Original Message ----- Bummer. Good to know though. Maybe I can get a level shipped from the UK!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 11 09:05:06 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:05:06 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> Message-ID: Incidentally, if you do fit the correct lever with switch I'd strongly advise fitting an in-line fuse where the white from the gearbox harness joins the whites from the inertia switch and to the fuel pump in the rear harness. The wiring down the lever has been known to chafe and short out, damaging wiring. ----- Original Message ----- Bummer. Good to know though. Maybe I can get a level shipped from the UK!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Mon Nov 11 09:08:34 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:08:34 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> Message-ID: <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs.? In both cases I used the gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions.? I don't see any reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it that was handy to my right hand.? In the CB cars the wiring and switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box.? Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash.? The switch is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. My $ .02, CR On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't > have the shift lever. > > A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a > lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has.? So I'm looking > at options for how to install the O/D switch. > > From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with > the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter > switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: > > None of that is?to do with the OD itself. > Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of > the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you > wish.? When the TCSA?was introduced in late 76 to control > 'surging'?a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that > operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD > switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output > controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance.? I suspect that was not > very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted > and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated?in 4th > only,?as done to the V8?several years previously.? The gearbox > switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. > The gear?lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate > the OD manual switch,?but that can also be fitted to any year, or > the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. > The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or > the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, > then from there to the solenoid.? For 77 on it was from the > ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there > to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the > solenoid. > Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - > black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo.? Blue > label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo.? But speedos > can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. > So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on > the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the > plastic dash was new for the 77 model year -?won't have that > function. But?if the car has the earlier RB dash and column > switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to > shorting out and causing harness damage. > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission > arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out > which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it > should work on. > > I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is > still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the > previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an > early one. > > I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palte at gmx.net Mon Nov 11 10:30:38 2019 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:30:38 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Another way for engaging the O/D In-Reply-To: <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> Message-ID: <559e32b0-e460-59ec-1d3c-d060425e2fc3@gmx.net> Or: Using a relay for latching, you may consider using just a (non-latching) pushbutton to engage the O/D. Assuming the O/D works only on 3rd and 4th gear, you don't even need a (second, NC pushbutton) switch to disengage the O/D. Just move the gear lever to between 3rd and 4th and then just a very short time to the left to let the relay disengage and thus to have the O/D disengage. (Similar as in my 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre. In that car, there is a stalk to the R/H side of the steering column. Stalk momentarily down = engage; momentarily up = disengage. I never use the "momentarily up" function; I always disengage as just described. Very convenient!) Bert 70 B Op 11-11-2019 om 17:08 schreef Charley Robinson via Mgs: > I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs.? In both cases I used the > gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions.? I don't see any > reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. > > As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for > it that was handy to my right hand.? In the CB cars the wiring and > switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the > white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your > switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box.? Looks > like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would > look OK on the dash.? The switch is just a SPST that can handle the > solenoid current. > > My $ .02, > > CR > > On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller >> doesn't have the shift lever. >> >> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it >> a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has.? So I'm >> looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >> >> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with >> the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter >> switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the >> dash. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > > wrote: >> >> None of that is?to do with the OD itself. >> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top >> of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you >> wish. When the TCSA?was introduced in late 76 to control >> 'surging'?a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that >> operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD >> switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output >> controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance.? I suspect that was not >> very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was >> deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch >> operated?in 4th only,?as done to the V8?several years >> previously.? The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >> The gear?lever itself changed for the 77 model year to >> incorporate the OD manual switch,?but that can also be fitted to >> any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. >> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or >> the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, >> then from there to the solenoid.? For 77 on it was from the >> ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there >> to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the >> solenoid. >> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - >> black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo.? Blue >> label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo.? But speedos >> can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. >> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch >> on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the >> plastic dash was new for the 77 model year -?won't have that >> function.? But?if the car has the earlier RB dash and column >> switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to >> shorting out and causing harness damage. >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission >> arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure >> out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears >> it should work on. >> >> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner >> is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, >> the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter >> or an early one. >> >> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/palte at gmx.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Nov 11 10:32:12 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:32:12 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> Message-ID: <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I have a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The wiring couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as opposed to crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the side of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you don't have to go groping for it. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs wrote: > > I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs. In both cases I used the gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions. I don't see any reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. > > As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it that was handy to my right hand. In the CB cars the wiring and switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box. Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash. The switch is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. > > My $ .02, > > CR > > On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't have the shift lever. >> >> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >> >> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: >> None of that is to do with the OD itself. >> >> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >> >> The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. >> >> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the solenoid. >> >> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. >> >> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. >> >> PaulH. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. >> >> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. >> >> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at ece.rochester.edu Mon Nov 11 10:40:08 2019 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Osborne, Paul) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <632D781F100849E9B1AE79489BC1C50E@paul> Message-ID: <1403D773-69E6-4C50-A2FE-CD3D3530D8E6@ur.rochester.edu> Any lever from 1968 - 1980 will fit and shift the gear box. If you want the OD switch to be on the shift knob then that is a different lever. The lever has a grove cut in the side for the wires. All of them also were shock mounted as they were starting to ?wine? and transmit the gear noise through the solid lever. Since the shock mounting was large, it requires a split hold-down plate. IM sure that I have a few of these if you need one. paul On Nov 11, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs > wrote: Bummer. Good to know though. Maybe I can get a level shipped from the UK!! On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:05 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: The 78 has a different lever and hold-down ring as well as the knob with the switch, so you have to build up a complete lever, or find one somewhere. ?40 in the UK, $150 in the US! Option 2 is easier, but less convenient. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=2_nDrryJ8MuBFsJNd6JuPOWfmH4nxD1qhU2ycKV6BOM&s=w0ZelkNQrg55DmkofylA7_-kVf7RzTnrEQ1ijGG8DEc&e= Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=2_nDrryJ8MuBFsJNd6JuPOWfmH4nxD1qhU2ycKV6BOM&s=guyPX1h6FZfuSZ70XkEWK-h19iYnyD2UfrmwGafdJZ4&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=2_nDrryJ8MuBFsJNd6JuPOWfmH4nxD1qhU2ycKV6BOM&s=4Mqa_V2BAmCueyytOK3fJbySgrAGtnf-rPH2XcImNu0&e= Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=2_nDrryJ8MuBFsJNd6JuPOWfmH4nxD1qhU2ycKV6BOM&s=S7eGAUvlqTDagqWsvyO6xt3jxzpknXP0GGrG5CN1UVs&e= Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Mon Nov 11 11:56:01 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:56:01 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4f72a062-7552-d16a-8b4f-b3d52648bdab@twc.com> That might be handier than the stalk switch in my '69.? I'm not a fan of running wires down a gear lever & through the tunnel. Just don't like the potential for fraying the wires. CR On 11/11/2019 11:32 AM, Max Heim wrote: > Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I > have a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The > wiring couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as > opposed to crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. > > You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever > switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the > side of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you > don't have to go groping for it. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs >> > wrote: >> >> I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs.? In both cases I used the >> gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions.? I don't see any >> reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD >> box. >> >> As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for >> it that was handy to my right hand.? In the CB cars the wiring and >> switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the >> white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your >> switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box.? >> Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that >> would look OK on the dash.? The switch is just a SPST that can handle >> the solenoid current. >> >> My $ .02, >> >> CR >> >> On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >>> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller >>> doesn't have the shift lever. >>> >>> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it >>> a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has.? So I'm >>> looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >>> >>> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with >>> the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the >>> shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan >>> on the dash. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 >> > wrote: >>> >>> None of that is?to do with the OD itself. >>> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top >>> of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you >>> wish. When the TCSA?was introduced in late 76 to control >>> 'surging'?a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox >>> that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with >>> the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear >>> only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance.? I suspect >>> that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so >>> it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch >>> operated?in 4th only,?as done to the V8?several years >>> previously.? The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >>> The gear?lever itself changed for the 77 model year to >>> incorporate the OD manual switch,?but that can also be fitted to >>> any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you >>> wish. >>> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or >>> the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, >>> then from there to the solenoid.? For 77 on it was from the >>> ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from >>> there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to >>> the solenoid. >>> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible >>> - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo.? >>> Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo.? But >>> speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong >>> combination. >>> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch >>> on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with >>> the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year -?won't have that >>> function.? But?if the car has the earlier RB dash and column >>> switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to >>> shorting out and causing harness damage. >>> PaulH. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission >>> arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure >>> out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears >>> it should work on. >>> >>> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner >>> is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, >>> the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter >>> or an early one. >>> >>> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Nov 11 12:06:31 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:06:31 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> Message-ID: <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> It just occurred to me that this may not be as easy on a later car. A metal-dash car already has the hole in the dash for the toggle switch. There is probably not a handy hole in the 78 dash, and the ?vintage-style? chrome-bezel toggle switch would look out of place. For a while I had a Radio Shack ?glowing blue? toggle switch installed (to remind me to switch off the OD), which might look more in keeping with the plastic dash. I was a little dubious about it handling the load, but it held up fine. The solenoid doesn?t draw much. I don?t really think there is any reason to run a relay, or the vacuum switch ? a simple ON/OFF in series with the lock-out switch on the transmission works fine. I don?t understand how a momentary push button switch (Bert?s suggestion) would even work... -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I have a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The wiring couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as opposed to crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. > > You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the side of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you don't have to go groping for it. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs > wrote: >> >> I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs. In both cases I used the gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions. I don't see any reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. >> >> As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it that was handy to my right hand. In the CB cars the wiring and switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box. Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash. The switch is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. >> >> My $ .02, >> >> CR >> >> On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >>> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't have the shift lever. >>> >>> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >>> >>> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: >>> None of that is to do with the OD itself. >>> >>> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >>> >>> The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. >>> >>> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the solenoid. >>> >>> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. >>> >>> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. >>> >>> PaulH. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. >>> >>> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. >>> >>> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Mon Nov 11 12:44:16 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> Message-ID: The '78 dash has an "Accessory Switch" that can be added. I have a factory blanking plate over that switch right now. If I go with the dash switch, that is where it will go. I would like a light as well, but I prefer the correct look. I will probably pull the lever off of my non-O/D and use it, at least initially. I will need to run the wires. If the wiring wasn't already a mess on this car from the PO, I would be more concerned about it being correct and using the shifter switch (That and it is a CBB '78, so I am not that concerned apparently) -- Andrew On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:06 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > It just occurred to me that this may not be as easy on a later car. A > metal-dash car already has the hole in the dash for the toggle switch. > There is probably not a handy hole in the 78 dash, and the ?vintage-style? > chrome-bezel toggle switch would look out of place. > > For a while I had a Radio Shack ?glowing blue? toggle switch installed (to > remind me to switch off the OD), which might look more in keeping with the > plastic dash. I was a little dubious about it handling the load, but it > held up fine. The solenoid doesn?t draw much. I don?t really think there is > any reason to run a relay, or the vacuum switch ? a simple ON/OFF in series > with the lock-out switch on the transmission works fine. > > I don?t understand how a momentary push button switch (Bert?s suggestion) > would even work... > > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > > > On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I have > a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The wiring > couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as opposed to > crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. > > You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever > switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the side > of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you don't have > to go groping for it. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs > wrote: > > I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs. In both cases I used the gear > levers from the original non-OD transmissions. I don't see any reason that > you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. > > As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it > that was handy to my right hand. In the CB cars the wiring and switch are > already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit > that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the > switch to the lockout switch on the OD box. Looks like there are a couple > of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash. The switch > is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. > > My $ .02, > > CR > > On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > > I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't > have the shift lever. > > A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot > right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at > options for how to install the O/D switch. > > From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the > '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or > put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. > > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: > >> None of that is to do with the OD itself. >> >> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the >> gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the >> TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was >> added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was >> wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a >> 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect >> that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was >> deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th >> only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now >> controlled both OD and TCSA. >> >> The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD >> manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted >> back to some other switch, as you wish. >> >> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the >> column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there >> to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to >> the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, >> and from there to the solenoid. >> >> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black >> label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used >> on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if >> you end up with the wrong combination. >> >> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the >> gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was >> new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has >> the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever >> switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. >> >> PaulH. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. >> (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it >> should have had as well as which gears it should work on. >> >> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still >> trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He >> doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. >> >> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Mon Nov 11 13:48:39 2019 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:48:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> Message-ID: The indicator light is handy, I think, to avoid that unanticipated shift into OD during acceleration when one forgets to shut off the OD. I used a ?grain of wheat? 12v lightbulb in short piece of brass tubing, this assembly pushed into the small gap between the fascia panel and the steering column plastic housing. Wired to the hot lead from the switch, it shows whenever the switch would activate the OD, or OD would activate itself. An LED would be even better, but this was done 20 years ago. Bob > On Nov 11, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > > The '78 dash has an "Accessory Switch" that can be added. I have a factory blanking plate over that switch right now. If I go with the dash switch, that is where it will go. I would like a light as well, but I prefer the correct look. > > I will probably pull the lever off of my non-O/D and use it, at least initially. I will need to run the wires. If the wiring wasn't already a mess on this car from the PO, I would be more concerned about it being correct and using the shifter switch > > (That and it is a CBB '78, so I am not that concerned apparently) > > -- > Andrew > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:06 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> It just occurred to me that this may not be as easy on a later car. A metal-dash car already has the hole in the dash for the toggle switch. There is probably not a handy hole in the 78 dash, and the ?vintage-style? chrome-bezel toggle switch would look out of place. >> >> For a while I had a Radio Shack ?glowing blue? toggle switch installed (to remind me to switch off the OD), which might look more in keeping with the plastic dash. I was a little dubious about it handling the load, but it held up fine. The solenoid doesn?t draw much. I don?t really think there is any reason to run a relay, or the vacuum switch ? a simple ON/OFF in series with the lock-out switch on the transmission works fine. >> >> I don?t understand how a momentary push button switch (Bert?s suggestion) would even work... >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> >> >>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>> >>> Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I have a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The wiring couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as opposed to crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. >>> >>> You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the side of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you don't have to go groping for it. >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> >>>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs wrote: >>>> >>>> I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs. In both cases I used the gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions. I don't see any reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. >>>> >>>> As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it that was handy to my right hand. In the CB cars the wiring and switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box. Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash. The switch is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. >>>> >>>> My $ .02, >>>> >>>> CR >>>> >>>>> On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >>>>> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't have the shift lever. >>>>> >>>>> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >>>>> >>>>> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 wrote: >>>>>> None of that is to do with the OD itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >>>>>> >>>>>> The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. >>>>>> >>>>>> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the solenoid. >>>>>> >>>>>> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. >>>>>> >>>>>> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> PaulH. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>> >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Mon Nov 11 14:15:19 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:15:19 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> Message-ID: <3D69791A-86A4-401F-B275-E29CEE0798CE@sonic.net> My old 66 MGB had an extra hole in the dash next to the OD switch hole. So (after the experiment with the lighted switch) I used a red ?jewel? generator warning lamp in this hole as an OD ?on? lamp. I would have used the blue high beam warning jewel but it cost twice as much for some reason. I didn?t want to drill any extra holes in the dash of my new car, so I am doing without a lamp. I did add the official OD escutcheon label to the switch, which draws attention to the switch and makes it a little more obvious. The plastic steering column cowl seems like a good place for a warning lamp, if you pick a spot in line of sight from your driving position. These are readily available used for very little money, so drilling a hole into one would not be much of a sacrilege. One problem I had with my lamp was that I wanted it bright enough to see in bright daylight with the top down, but I didn?t want it to blind me at night. I am not sure that there is a good solution to this other than a dedicated rheostat, which is way beyond the amount of fussing I was willing to put into the project. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 11, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Robert's New iPad wrote: > > The indicator light is handy, I think, to avoid that unanticipated shift into OD during acceleration when one forgets to shut off the OD. > I used a ?grain of wheat? 12v lightbulb in short piece of brass tubing, this assembly pushed into the small gap between the fascia panel and the steering column plastic housing. Wired to the hot lead from the switch, it shows whenever the switch would activate the OD, or OD would activate itself. An LED would be even better, but this was done 20 years ago. > Bob > > On Nov 11, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs > wrote: > >> The '78 dash has an "Accessory Switch" that can be added. I have a factory blanking plate over that switch right now. If I go with the dash switch, that is where it will go. I would like a light as well, but I prefer the correct look. >> >> I will probably pull the lever off of my non-O/D and use it, at least initially. I will need to run the wires. If the wiring wasn't already a mess on this car from the PO, I would be more concerned about it being correct and using the shifter switch >> >> (That and it is a CBB '78, so I am not that concerned apparently) >> >> -- >> Andrew >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:06 PM Max Heim via Mgs > wrote: >> It just occurred to me that this may not be as easy on a later car. A metal-dash car already has the hole in the dash for the toggle switch. There is probably not a handy hole in the 78 dash, and the ?vintage-style? chrome-bezel toggle switch would look out of place. >> >> For a while I had a Radio Shack ?glowing blue? toggle switch installed (to remind me to switch off the OD), which might look more in keeping with the plastic dash. I was a little dubious about it handling the load, but it held up fine. The solenoid doesn?t draw much. I don?t really think there is any reason to run a relay, or the vacuum switch ? a simple ON/OFF in series with the lock-out switch on the transmission works fine. >> >> I don?t understand how a momentary push button switch (Bert?s suggestion) would even work... >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> >> >>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Max Heim via Mgs > wrote: >>> >>> Exactly. I have a 1977 vintage blue label OD transmission in my 66. I have a dash-mounted switch to the left of the steering column. The wiring couldn?t be simpler. No weird expensive parts. The straight (as opposed to crookneck) dash OD switch is cheap. >>> >>> You might not think the dash switch is as convenient as the gear lever switch, but it is really pretty ergonomic. You can flick it with the side of your hand while it is still in contact with the wheel ? you don't have to go groping for it. >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> >>>> On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Charley Robinson via Mgs > wrote: >>>> >>>> I've swapped OD gearboxes into two CBBs. In both cases I used the gear levers from the original non-OD transmissions. I don't see any reason that you can't use the gear lever you already have for the OD box. >>>> >>>> As to the OD switch, I'd put it on the dash if I had an open spot for it that was handy to my right hand. In the CB cars the wiring and switch are already installed but there's no reason you can't find the white circuit that Paul mentioned and run a wire from it to your switch and from the switch to the lockout switch on the OD box. Looks like there are a couple of switches in the Moss catalog that would look OK on the dash. The switch is just a SPST that can handle the solenoid current. >>>> >>>> My $ .02, >>>> >>>> CR >>>> >>>> On 11/11/2019 7:35 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: >>>>> I have a '78. The transmission is a blue label, but the seller doesn't have the shift lever. >>>>> >>>>> A lever for a '78 is not a cheap thing, and my son who is driving it a lot right now likes the Walnut MG logo shifter it has. So I'm looking at options for how to install the O/D switch. >>>>> >>>>> From the moss catalog, it looks like the '76 switch won't work with the '78. So I might have to buy the parts to put together the shifter switch or put it in the blank accessory switch above the fan on the dash. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 1:45 AM PaulHunt73 > wrote: >>>>> None of that is to do with the OD itself. >>>>> >>>>> Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish. When the TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance. I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously. The gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. >>>>> >>>>> The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish. >>>>> >>>>> The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from there to the solenoid. For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the gear lever, and from there to the solenoid. >>>>> >>>>> Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo. Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo. But speedos can be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination. >>>>> >>>>> So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function. But if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage. >>>>> >>>>> PaulH. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>> >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Mon Nov 11 16:01:43 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:01:43 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] OT LBC update Message-ID: Hello MG friends, Although this note isn't about my MG, I thought I would share a couple of pictures of my TR6 project. The car is now painted and beginning to come back together. In this first picture, one can see the new but dusty paint and a still unpolished bumper. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20191110_170414.jpg One can see that the bumper protrusions and front spoiler have not yet been repainted black. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20191110_170506.jpg Same with the front turn signal lenses. The electrical system is disabled so I don't know if the lamp sockets are viable, but that's easy to check, and remedied as required, later when the system gets powered up. http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20191110_170431.jpg The bolt holes on the front of the bumper are leftovers from the front license mount - not needed here in Texas, on a classic car. The bolts on the top of the bumper are where fog lights once resided. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 12 01:26:10 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 08:26:10 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> That's because he omitted to say it needs additional circuitry and components! I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on again. That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, rather than one to say it is engaged. More info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer That uses a relay which has been completely reliable, for a time someone was selling a module based on a thyristor but a pal has one and it keeps triggering when some other electrical circuit is switched off or on. That also has a panel with a push-button for on, another for off, and an LED but that needs mounting somewhere, mine just uses the standard switch. A link to a circuit for that is there as well. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I don?t understand how a momentary push button switch (Bert?s suggestion) would even work... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Tue Nov 12 06:43:44 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 07:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> Message-ID: I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has no warning light.? It is plugged into the wiring between the manual OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box.? It's all solid state, has never given me any trouble. ? I bought the thing on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller.? I absolutely love the thing! CR On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > ? > I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so > built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out > semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on > again.? That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, rather > than one to say it is engaged.? More info here > http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer > PaulH. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Nov 12 10:19:50 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:19:50 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> Message-ID: As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. It seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, and I want to know which mode it is in. But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has no warning light. It is plugged into the wiring between the manual OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box. It's all solid state, has never given me any trouble. I bought the thing on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller. I absolutely love the thing! > > CR > > On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: >> ? >> I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on again. That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, rather than one to say it is engaged. More info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer >> >> PaulH. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Tue Nov 12 11:39:29 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:39:29 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> Message-ID: <3391d81f-3a7f-0121-0c9b-bced1a821b49@twc.com> I drive a Prius which has a "push on, push off" switch.? What the switch does is to use the 12 volt battery to boot up the system, then the HV battery spins one of the motor/generators to start the engine.? The engine doesn't have a starter, you see? The push on/off approach uses a solid state latching relay in the old app of switching high currents with a low current switch.? It boils down to a toggled flip-flop and a few AND gates driving a high current device.? Nothing new there.? Shoot, a solenoid operated operated starting motor is an electromechanical version from days of yore.:-) Funny thing is the evolution of the switching.? The early cars had a starter button.? Then came the spring loaded ignition switch and now some are using a starter button again.? Amusing........... CR On 11/12/2019 11:19 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. > It seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. > > Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is > the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, > and I want to know which mode it is in. > > But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson > > wrote: >> >> I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has >> no warning light.? It is plugged into the wiring between the manual >> OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's >> sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box.? It's >> all solid state, has never given me any trouble. ? I bought the thing >> on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller.? >> I absolutely love the thing! >> >> CR >> >> On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: >>> ? >>> I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so >>> built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out >>> semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on >>> again.? That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, >>> rather than one to say it is engaged.? More info >>> herehttp://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer >>> PaulH. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Wed Nov 13 08:46:20 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:46:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> Message-ID: <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> Hello folks, OMG.?? Isn't it amazing how current technology demands complications. Used to be you put in a key turned it and "broom broom".? Now is having something in your pocket, and? switching on and then pushing 'Start',??? But then everything these days is "marketing groomed".?? My new radio has oodles of "features" (most of which I do not understand) but a lousy weak station reception - my $40 portable radio is MUCH better IN the car that the $$$$$$ "car" radio !!!!!! Barrie - he of MGB GT V8 fame:-) On 11/12/2019 12:19 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. > It seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. > > Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is > the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, > and I want to know which mode it is in. > > But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > >> On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson > > wrote: >> >> I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has >> no warning light.? It is plugged into the wiring between the manual >> OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's >> sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box.? It's >> all solid state, has never given me any trouble. ? I bought the thing >> on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller.? >> I absolutely love the thing! >> >> CR >> >> On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: >>> ? >>> I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so >>> built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out >>> semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on >>> again.? That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, >>> rather than one to say it is engaged.? More info >>> herehttp://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer >>> PaulH. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 13 09:10:10 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:10:10 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> Message-ID: Or someone else coming along with a magic box and driving off in your car without the need to unlock it, de-immobilise it, or unlock the steering. As the Amish say - 'Progress' doesn't always mean 'better'. ----- Original Message ----- ... Now is having something in your pocket, and switching on and then pushing 'Start',... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Nov 13 10:38:21 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:38:21 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> Message-ID: <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? Cheers, Hans 71 BGT where everything is manual, unless operated by foot Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson via Mgs Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2019 16:46 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Hello folks, OMG. Isn't it amazing how current technology demands complications. Used to be you put in a key turned it and "broom broom". Now is having something in your pocket, and switching on and then pushing 'Start', But then everything these days is "marketing groomed". My new radio has oodles of "features" (most of which I do not understand) but a lousy weak station reception - my $40 portable radio is MUCH better IN the car that the $$$$$$ "car" radio !!!!!! Barrie - he of MGB GT V8 fame:-) On 11/12/2019 12:19 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. It seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, and I want to know which mode it is in. But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has no warning light. It is plugged into the wiring between the manual OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box. It's all solid state, has never given me any trouble. I bought the thing on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller. I absolutely love the thing! CR On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: ? I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on again. That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, rather than one to say it is engaged. More info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.dibiase at gmail.com Wed Nov 13 13:37:28 2019 From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:37:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> Message-ID: Isn't there a 'hidden' key in the key fob, Hans? My Mazda CX-5 has push-button start, but there is a key inside the fob that can be removed in case of the battery in the fob dying..... So the the least, you can always get in the car. And in that scenario, if you use the key fob itself to push the start button, the car will start.... Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:38 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our > business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. > Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key > with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the > middle of nowhere? > > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > 71 BGT where everything is manual, unless operated by foot > > > > *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *Barrie Robinson > via Mgs > *Verzonden:* woensdag 13 november 2019 16:46 > *Aan:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > > > Hello folks, > > OMG. Isn't it amazing how current technology demands complications. Used > to be you put in a key turned it and "broom broom". Now is having > something in your pocket, and switching on and then pushing 'Start', > But then everything these days is "marketing groomed". My new radio has > oodles of "features" (most of which I do not understand) but a lousy weak > station reception - my $40 portable radio is MUCH better IN the car that > the $$$$$$ "car" radio !!!!!! > > Barrie - he of MGB GT V8 fame:-) > > On 11/12/2019 12:19 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. It > seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. > > > > Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is the > natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, and I > want to know which mode it is in. > > > > But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > > > I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has no > warning light. It is plugged into the wiring between the manual OD switch > and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the > shelf on the passenger side of the heater box. It's all solid state, has > never given me any trouble. I bought the thing on line a few years ago > but I don't remember the name of the seller. I absolutely love the thing! > > CR > > On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > > ? > > I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so built a > circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out semi-permanently > until I turned the manual switch off and back on again. That has a warning > light to say it has been locked out, rather than one to say it is engaged. > More info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer > > > > PaulH. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice. It's said (in many places) that holding the fob against your head whilst pressing the button boosts the signal to double or more. I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only the fob will switch that off! Keep the spare in the glove box? And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.dibiase at gmail.com Thu Nov 14 05:34:14 2019 From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 07:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> Message-ID: Ha, ok, OT, but I have actually tested that, Paul.... The fob for our CX-5 doesn't have a lot of range, and I once tested it from the same distance using just the fob (didn't unlock) and holding it under my jaw with my mouth open (unlocked it). As I did this in the high school parking lot after a field hockey game, my daughter was a little peeved. The hidden fob key for this car doesn't set off the alarm. Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:49 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks > unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice. It's said > (in many places) that holding the fob against your head whilst pressing the > button boosts the signal to double or more. > > I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only the > fob will switch that off! Keep the spare in the glove box? > > And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our > business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. > Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key > with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the > middle of nowhere? > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Thu Nov 14 07:32:03 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2cddad91-f8a4-b47c-f154-edd54c6ed0e3@bell.net> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:31:06 -0500 From: Barrie Robinson To: PaulHunt73 Hello Folks, I thought that idea of holding a fob against ones skull was an old wife's tale - but NO, it works !!?? I have tested it several times by walking away from my car until the fob no longer worked.?? Then held it up against my skull (the fob not the car)- and bingo it works.? My explanation is that the back of the skull acts as a parabolic dish focusing the energy to the target(car).?? But it definitely works !!? If it doesn't maybe your brain is interfering with the beam :-) ? But I understand the industry is working on a small metal tongue which when inserted into a slot will open doors, switch on engines and similar.? It will not need a battery and can be copied by most hardware stores.? Small and light and small than fobs. On 11/14/2019 3:29 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > ? > That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks > unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice.? It's > said (in many places) that holding the fob against your?head whilst > pressing the button boosts the signal to double or more. > I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only > the fob will switch that off!? Keep the spare in the glove box? > And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of > our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key > became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should > carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing > making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Thu Nov 14 10:41:11 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:41:11 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$ @planet.nl> Message-ID: <005301d59b12$b95798e0$2c06caa0$@planet.nl> Yes Dan, There seems to be a emergency procedure. A car driver should learn this procedure by heart, because when the key does not enable to open the doors, you also cannot read the car manual and see what the emergency procedure is! But with your method I should be able to get into the car and read the manual! Cheers! Hans Van: Dan DiBiase [mailto:dan.dibiase at gmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2019 21:37 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: Barrie Robinson; mglist Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Isn't there a 'hidden' key in the key fob, Hans? My Mazda CX-5 has push-button start, but there is a key inside the fob that can be removed in case of the battery in the fob dying..... So the the least, you can always get in the car. And in that scenario, if you use the key fob itself to push the start button, the car will start.... Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:38 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? Cheers, Hans 71 BGT where everything is manual, unless operated by foot Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson via Mgs Verzonden: woensdag 13 november 2019 16:46 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Hello folks, OMG. Isn't it amazing how current technology demands complications. Used to be you put in a key turned it and "broom broom". Now is having something in your pocket, and switching on and then pushing 'Start', But then everything these days is "marketing groomed". My new radio has oodles of "features" (most of which I do not understand) but a lousy weak station reception - my $40 portable radio is MUCH better IN the car that the $$$$$$ "car" radio !!!!!! Barrie - he of MGB GT V8 fame:-) On 11/12/2019 12:19 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? solution. It seems somehow inappropriate as well as unnecessarily complex. Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off toggle is the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it on, sometimes off, and I want to know which mode it is in. But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is idiotic. So YMMV. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: I have a neat little module that does as you describe except it has no warning light. It is plugged into the wiring between the manual OD switch and the transmission switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the shelf on the passenger side of the heater box. It's all solid state, has never given me any trouble. I bought the thing on line a few years ago but I don't remember the name of the seller. I absolutely love the thing! CR On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: ? I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from 2nd to 3rd so built a circuit that once out of an OD gear, it locked it out semi-permanently until I turned the manual switch off and back on again. That has a warning light to say it has been locked out, rather than one to say it is engaged. More info here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Thu Nov 14 10:46:26 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:46:26 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> Message-ID: <005801d59b13$70629350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> Wow ? my head being a booster! Really? How good are all these things for my head? All kinds of radiation everywhere now. >From keyfobs to wifi to 5G. Next time we?re cooked. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: donderdag 14 november 2019 9:29 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice. It's said (in many places) that holding the fob against your head whilst pressing the button boosts the signal to double or more. I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only the fob will switch that off! Keep the spare in the glove box? And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Fri Nov 15 01:36:41 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:36:41 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> <005801d59b13$70629350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <78AF11D54C8C4D51871D4897A77EDFC0@paul> Don't press it against your head too hard :o) ----- Original Message ----- Wow ? my head being a booster! Really? How good are all these things for my head? All kinds of radiation everywhere now. From keyfobs to wifi to 5G. Next time we?re cooked. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Fri Nov 15 09:15:17 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:15:17 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <005801d59b13$70629350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> <005801d59b13$706 29350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <002401d59bcf$decb7930$9c626b90$@planet.nl> ?Keep the spare in the glove box?? you wrote Paul. I do not think this is a good idea. The key is a key-less start enabling ?key?. So leaving a spare key in the car makes it a thief very easy to get away with my car, once he is in the car! Just smashing a window will do the job. But it is good to take the spare key with me on a long journey. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 14 november 2019 18:46 Aan: 'PaulHunt73' CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? Wow ? my head being a booster! Really? How good are all these things for my head? All kinds of radiation everywhere now. >From keyfobs to wifi to 5G. Next time we?re cooked. Cheers, Hans Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] Verzonden: donderdag 14 november 2019 9:29 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice. It's said (in many places) that holding the fob against your head whilst pressing the button boosts the signal to double or more. I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only the fob will switch that off! Keep the spare in the glove box? And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Fri Nov 15 09:41:37 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: <002401d59bcf$decb7930$9c626b90$@planet.nl> References: <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> <005801d59b13$706 29350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> <002401d59bcf$decb7930$9c626b90$@planet.nl> Message-ID: But don't people hide a spare key under the car??? I don't use those fancy holder things as their magnets are not strong enough.? I use those super strong magnets with key in thin small plastic bag.? But I usually forget where I put it !!!!!!?? Oh, do "modern" cars not have the old fashioned key??? On 11/15/2019 11:15 AM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > > ?Keep the spare in the glove box?? you wrote Paul. > > I do not think this is a good idea. > > The key is a key-less start enabling ?key?. > > So leaving a spare key in the car makes it a thief very easy to get > away with my car, once he is in the car! > > Just smashing a window will do the job. > > But it is good to take the spare key with me on a long journey. > > Cheers, > > Hans > > *Van:*Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *Hans Duinhoven > via Mgs > *Verzonden:* donderdag 14 november 2019 18:46 > *Aan:* 'PaulHunt73' > *CC:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > Wow ? my head being a booster! Really? > > How good are all these things for my head? > > All kinds of radiation everywhere now. > > From keyfobs to wifi to 5G. > > Next time we?re cooked. > > Cheers, > > Hans > > *Van:*PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] > *Verzonden:* donderdag 14 november 2019 9:29 > *Aan:* Hans Duinhoven > *CC:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > That's usually gradual, but if you habitually don't operate the locks > unless you are right by the car you probably wouldn't notice.? It's > said (in many places) that holding the fob against your?head whilst > pressing the button boosts the signal to double or more. > > I can get into mine with a key, but it sets the alarm off, and only > the fob will switch that off!? Keep the spare in the glove box? > > And do you regularly test the spare fob? :o) > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of > our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key > became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should > carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing > making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgbobh at gmail.com Sun Nov 10 17:04:20 2019 From: mgbobh at gmail.com (Robert's New iPad) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <004301d596e1$9a131ed0$ce395c70$@planet.nl> <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> Message-ID: If you have the two-function switch to right side of steering column, it will handle wipers and the OD. Have a go at the switch to see if wipers work when switch is near to steering wheel and when it is pushed toward fascia. If the switch has two positions, the OD will be in the pulled toward steering wheel notch. There is a yellow wire on passenger side of engine space that is the OD control wire. Check it for 12V, ignition on, switch in both positions. When the OD arrives, use ohmmeter to see if power flows through the OD?s switch in 3rd and 4th speeds. Your new OD may be 4th only, but when they are apart they can be modified to be like the earlier ones, 3rd & 4th, which someone may have done. Check these things to be certain of what you actually have. In 40 years, there is no telling what changes a previous owner has made. Wise owners suggest installing a fuse in the yellow-wire connections, 10A will do. While you are at it, a 10A fuse in the white wire circuit to fuel pump is good also. Bob > On Nov 10, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > > Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it should have had as well as which gears it should work on. > > I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one. > > I'm trying to determine how to wire it in. > > -- > Andrew > >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 4:33 PM Osborne, Paul via Mgs wrote: >> I have been repair/ rebuilding Laycock trans for some time and have not been able to come up with any info on date build, if there is any. I have asked these that have been doing it a lot longer than I and have been told if there is they do not know. Oh well, then again does it matter? >> >> >> paul >> >>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: >>> >>> Looks to be a fair policy. >>> But I was a bit disappointed, that I was not allowed to make a picture of the GT?s entry in the BMIHT register with my simple camera. >>> All these entries car by car hand written into this book. >>> And very easy to read. This book looked to me as a piece of art. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hans >>> >>> >>> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens PaulHunt73 via Mgs >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 13:21 >>> Aan: Hans Duinhoven >>> CC: mgs at autox.team.net >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >>> >>> See https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/access-the-archive-records >>> >>> If you don't ask you don't get :o) >>>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>>> From: Hans Duinhoven >>>> To: 'PaulHunt73' >>>> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Date: 09 November 2019 at 10:20 >>>> Subject: RE: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >>>> >>>>> ?trawling through the Heritage archive yourself? >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if they let you. >>>>> >>>>> During our visit these guys were quite strict what was allowed and not. >>>>> >>>>> DIY in the archives is not likely to happen I think. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com] >>>>> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 november 2019 10:55 >>>>> Aan: Hans Duinhoven >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No info on gearbox or OD dating in either my Clausager book or Heritage certificates. You might get the info from Overdrive Repair Services in Sheffield who are ex-Laycock people, failing that I suspect trawling through the Heritage archive yourself would be the only other option. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PaulH. >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This site may be useful for this kind of information. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/heritage-certificates >>>>>> >>>>>> After completion of the restauration of my MG BGT in 2000, I ordered the BMIHT Heritage Certificate. >>>>>> >>>>>> The kind of details you are looking for are likely in the register. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps another source could by the Clausager book Original MGB: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Original-MGB-Restorers-Roadster-1962-80/dp/1906133182 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=QiqKn0fpLSGy_IpXIPh4k1brENTBW_xmfSjEq5ngJLU&e= >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_mgs&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=rJD1Y7tge2qnyFJcrNwA0MQ3LBxpQ8K72EITTONX4Pw&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=VKplZ4FI3arFpge-e5_n_7HFGM4qQjn92Ce9XxpS9ds&e= >>> >>> Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=DwICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=hjUS2GMSWoKP4QYJgS6d4uPka2vblibLhoU6AZUfABE&s=sb0GoKNU8SWW9Y8mT1czhJ_4lURtmB_9gqhltshG_QQ&e= >> >>> Paul Osborne >>> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng >>> University of Rochester >>> 201 Hopeman Building RC >>> Rochester NY 14627 >>> >> 585-275-5226 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren at byu.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sat Nov 16 01:59:36 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:59:36 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? References: <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> <87E81A7976944B6A8BCC57B6614F7924@paul> <005801d59b13$70629350$5127b9f0$@planet.nl> <002401d59bcf$decb7930$9c626b90$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <8B07E392998544D09E6D3ADD5EFA8512@paul> That's progress for you. Mine has a door and ignition key as well as the plipper so I can just keep the spare plipper in the car. Doesn't have to be the glovebox, can be concealed in many places around the car, I've done that with both the MGBs. And there are places where one can put a magnetic box that is on top of a surface rather than underneath, and can be reached from outside the car. They are more likely to smash the window on recent cars to plug something into the diagnostic socket. A pal lost a car like that, done in the right place it didn't even set off the alarm. The Police advise owners with modern cars to get a steering wheel bar, they are still available even though they date back 20 years or more. My pal has one now, but I doubt many do. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ?Keep the spare in the glove box?? you wrote Paul. I do not think this is a good idea. The key is a key-less start enabling ?key?. So leaving a spare key in the car makes it a thief very easy to get away with my car, once he is in the car! Just smashing a window will do the job. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Sat Nov 16 10:56:39 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:56:39 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? In-Reply-To: References: <36BEA938DE2F4A4EA73308142E3371B8@paul> <005901d596e7$47e21bb0$d7a65310$@planet.nl> <147644243.223232.1573301919235@mail2.virginmedia.com> <5CC04AB9B7164DEEB5A149BD957F6986@paul> <005601d597f0$7073cc40$515b64c0$@planet.nl> <3E2624E4-4D1D-4E71-BBF2-CB6F0DD7A6B2@ur.rochester.edu> <4B3A3A04927A4478BAAF17B0DA7AFBAD@paul> <4318b77a-b906-0429-3761-647a95225615@twc.com> <38EA6E6F-FD06-43EE-A1A5-E8A87A34F0C4@sonic.net> <3192E165-1388-45AE-AF46-9A114BB11CEE@sonic.net> <1F04728A8D77449F8EA64CEC088B45AB@paul> <1d611eaa-c715-bf77-ab97-c284a9558be8@bell.net> <002b01d59a49$246beac0$6d43c040$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <5e622b93-641b-9e1d-4444-642affc60572@twc.com> My '07 Prius has a metal door key slotted into the fob.? After you get into the car you plug the fob into a slot in the dash and then press the "Start" button and she fires up. CR On 11/13/2019 2:37 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote: > Isn't there a 'hidden' key in the key fob, Hans? My Mazda CX-5 has > push-button start, but there is a key inside the fob that can be > removed in case of the battery in the fob dying..... So the the least, > you can always get in the car. > > And in that scenario, if you use the key fob itself to push the start > button, the car will start.... > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:38 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > > wrote: > > So true. This week my wife hardly could get the doors unlocked of > our business Mazda 6 sw. reason was that the battery of the key > became empty. Stupid thing does that without a warning. One should > carry the spare key with them, in order to prevent such thing > making someone stranded in the middle of nowhere? > > Cheers, > > Hans > > 71 BGT where everything is manual, unless operated by foot > > *Van:*Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net > ] *Namens *Barrie Robinson via Mgs > *Verzonden:* woensdag 13 november 2019 16:46 > *Aan:* mgs at autox.team.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission? > > Hello folks, > > OMG.?? Isn't it amazing how current technology demands > complications. Used to be you put in a key turned it and "broom > broom".? Now is having something in your pocket, and? switching on > and then pushing 'Start', But then everything these days is > "marketing groomed".?? My new radio has oodles of "features" (most > of which I do not understand) but a lousy weak station reception - > my $40 portable radio is MUCH better IN the car that the $$$$$$ > "car" radio !!!!!! > > Barrie - he of MGB GT V8 fame:-) > > On 11/12/2019 12:19 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > As an interface designer, I am puzzled by the ?push for on? > solution. It seems somehow inappropriate as well as > unnecessarily complex. > > Overdrive seems to me to be a function where a clear on/off > toggle is the natural mode of engagement. Sometimes I want it > on, sometimes off, and I want to know which mode it is in. > > But then, I think the ?start button? on modern cars is > idiotic. So YMMV. > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > On Nov 12, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Charley Robinson > > wrote: > > I have a neat little module that does as you describe > except it has no warning light.? It is plugged into the > wiring between the manual OD switch and the transmission > switches. In the case of my CBB it's sitting on the shelf > on the passenger side of the heater box.? It's all solid > state, has never given me any trouble. ? I bought the > thing on line a few years ago but I don't remember the > name of the seller.? I absolutely love the thing! > > CR > > On 11/12/2019 2:26 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > > ? > > I got fed up with OD auto-engaging as I changed from > 2nd to 3rd so built a circuit that once out of an OD > gear, it locked it out semi-permanently until I turned > the manual switch off and back on again.? That has a > warning light to say it has been locked out, rather > than one to say it is engaged.? More info > herehttp://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gearstext.htm#sequencer > > PaulH. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Nov 20 14:48:11 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? Message-ID: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> https://cars.ksl.com/listing/5933128?ad_cid=6 mjb. ps: I always wonder if my life would have been changed had my middle name been George instead of Joseph From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 20 15:29:56 2019 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> References: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> Did they install an automatic transmission in 1964 (or any time for that manner)? Jack On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 4:48:35 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: https://cars.ksl.com/listing/5933128?ad_cid=6 mjb. ps: I always wonder if my life would have been changed had my middle name been George instead of Joseph _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Charley38 at twc.com Wed Nov 20 15:42:19 2019 From: Charley38 at twc.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 16:42:19 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I noticed that.? They don't know what they have.? Or what it's worth. CR On 11/20/2019 4:29 PM, Jack Wheeler via Mgs wrote: > Did they install an automatic transmission in 1964 (or any time for > that manner)? > > Jack > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 4:48:35 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via > Mgs wrote: > > > > https://cars.ksl.com/listing/5933128?ad_cid=6 > > mjb. > > ps: I always wonder if my life would have been changed had my middle > name been George instead of Joseph > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38 at twc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Nov 20 15:48:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:48:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2169a62f-bf32-3b20-8073-53c9f7798762@bradakis.com> On 11/20/19 3:29 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > Did they install an automatic transmission in 1964 (or any time for > that manner)? > And did you notice the body style listed? mjb. From mvheim at sonic.net Wed Nov 20 16:30:14 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:30:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: <2169a62f-bf32-3b20-8073-53c9f7798762@bradakis.com> References: <0ebaf31a-4e8d-f98c-d624-855e256b5c52@bradakis.com> <2036685722.4119646.1574288996537@mail.yahoo.com> <2169a62f-bf32-3b20-8073-53c9f7798762@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3CDB7653-9F07-450A-93B5-6CDCA1AD1341@sonic.net> Actually, if you click on the link to the dealer?s site, they have more photos and a correct listing. No, it is not an automatic. It seems to be a pretty decent looking, at least partially restored, original spec 64. It is a classic car dealer, though they have loose definition of ?classic?. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: > > On 11/20/19 3:29 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: >> Did they install an automatic transmission in 1964 (or any time for that manner)? >> > And did you notice the body style listed? > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimray at hartcom.net Wed Nov 20 16:49:48 2019 From: jimray at hartcom.net (Jim Ray) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: <3CDB7653-9F07-450A-93B5-6CDCA1AD1341@sonic.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barneymg at mgaguru.com Wed Nov 20 17:16:56 2019 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:16:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] HOW much??? In-Reply-To: References: <3CDB7653-9F07-450A-93B5-6CDCA1AD1341@sonic.net> Message-ID: Automatic only fits in 1968 or later cars. Tunnel is too small an pre-1968 cars. At 06:49 PM 11/20/2019, Jim Ray via Mgs wrote: >They made a few automatics using a Borg Warner >T35 gearbox. Same one that was in the MGC. Pretty common gearbox for the time. >On Nov 20, 2019 6:30 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >Actually, if you click on the link to the >dealer???s site, they have more photos and a >correct listing. No, it is not an automatic. It >seems to be a pretty decent looking, at least >partially restored, original spec 64. > >It is a classic car dealer, though they have >loose definition of ???classic???. >-- >Max Heim >'66 MGB >On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Mark J Bradakis via >Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote: > >On 11/20/19 3:29 PM, Jack Wheeler wrote: >Did they install an automatic transmission in >1964 (or any time for that manner)? > >And did you notice the body style listed? > >mjb. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lundgren at byu.net Tue Nov 26 12:10:33 2019 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew Lundgren) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:10:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] My O/D arrived! Message-ID: I purchased an O/D from a fellow in NY. It arrived via freight yesterday and is now in my garage. I've owned a '70 B since '96. I got a parts car several years later and took the O/D from that and put in my '70. I have always been happy to have it. I purchased another B ('78) about 5-6 years ago for my then teens to drive. (How did I end up with another white MGB???) This one did not have an O/D, as they rarely do. When a blue tag turned up at a reasonable price I bought it. The guy I bought it from was going to put it in an MGA. He got it from a friend who.... yeah... It does not have the shifter lever at all, so I don't know if it is '77 or later or not. I'm planning on putting the O/D switch on the dash in the '78 auxiliary switch location using a standard '78 switch. So now I will be pulling the engine on the '78. It's been a while since I've had an engine out. While the engine is out I am planning on doing: -clutch and throwout bearing (on sale a few weeks ago on moss) -speedo cable -rear main seal -motor mounts -water pump I am considering the timing chain with a duplex, camshaft, pushrods and lifters. I will also clean up the engine bay while it is out. (the good thing about a white engine bay is you can get away with rattle can paint pretty easily in there, the bad part is it is white...) Anything else I should do/consider while the engine is out? Thanks!!! -- Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Nov 26 12:25:25 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:25:25 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] My O/D arrived! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds pretty much what I did. Add the transmission mounts ? they are usually worse than the motor mounts. I also cleaned up and rattle-canned the motor. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Lundgren via Mgs wrote: > > I purchased an O/D from a fellow in NY. It arrived via freight yesterday and is now in my garage. > > I've owned a '70 B since '96. I got a parts car several years later and took the O/D from that and put in my '70. I have always been happy to have it. > > I purchased another B ('78) about 5-6 years ago for my then teens to drive. (How did I end up with another white MGB???) This one did not have an O/D, as they rarely do. When a blue tag turned up at a reasonable price I bought it. > > The guy I bought it from was going to put it in an MGA. He got it from a friend who.... yeah... It does not have the shifter lever at all, so I don't know if it is '77 or later or not. > > I'm planning on putting the O/D switch on the dash in the '78 auxiliary switch location using a standard '78 switch. > > So now I will be pulling the engine on the '78. > > It's been a while since I've had an engine out. > > While the engine is out I am planning on doing: > -clutch and throwout bearing (on sale a few weeks ago on moss) > -speedo cable > -rear main seal > -motor mounts > -water pump > > I am considering the timing chain with a duplex, camshaft, pushrods and lifters. > > I will also clean up the engine bay while it is out. (the good thing about a white engine bay is you can get away with rattle can paint pretty easily in there, the bad part is it is white...) > > Anything else I should do/consider while the engine is out? > > Thanks!!! > > -- > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Tue Nov 26 19:46:52 2019 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] mga front splash panel Message-ID: <000001d5a4cc$ecbf2090$c63d61b0$@ranteer.com> I need 4! Neither MGA that I am working on has one. To buy one they are $85 to $100 each!!! Anyone made them or have a pattern? They are just bent steel panels, with a tricky shape to cut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 27 01:53:27 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:53:27 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] My O/D arrived! References: Message-ID: I assume this is a gearbox complete with OD, and not just an OD. Quite a bit of work to add an OD to a non-OD box. As mentioned earlier if it's a blue label OD then it's the correct OD for a rubber bumper B, regardless. There was no difference in the OD itself between earlier rubber bumpers and 77 and later, only in the electrical switching which is all external to the OD itself. You have the choice of whether to put the original lever back and have the manual switch somewhere else, or source a 77 and later lever with switch in the knob. If it's off a pre-77 then it will give you OD in 3rd and 4th, but if off a 77 or later then probably on 4th only. If the sub-harness has come with the gearbox then that will give you a clue as there were connections for both the lockout and manual switches on 77 and later, but only for the lockout switch before that. More info on selector levers and plungers that control that here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/gswitch.htm#3 Do you have TCSA now? Do you need to keep it for emissions reasons? That may determine whether you can have OD on 3rd and 4th or will need to restrict it to 4th only. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I purchased an O/D from a fellow in NY. It arrived via freight yesterday and is now in my garage. The guy I bought it from was going to put it in an MGA. He got it from a friend who.... yeah... It does not have the shifter lever at all, so I don't know if it is '77 or later or not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: