From palte at gmx.net Wed Dec 11 02:02:19 2019 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:02:19 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan Hughes day everybody! Message-ID: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> Today, we commemorate the 24th anniversary of this glorious event. I'll be out of the office until Monday..... Bert 70 B From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 11 02:45:54 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan Hughes day everybody! In-Reply-To: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> References: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2f6fa6e4-67c0-b164-0c94-9e650148f88c@bradakis.com> On 12/11/19 2:02 AM, Bert Palte via Mgs wrote: > Today, we commemorate the 24th anniversary of this glorious event. > > > I'll be out of the office until Monday..... > > > > Bert > > 70 B I've been doing what I do for a long time.? Some days are better than others.? That day was not one of the good ones. mjb. From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Dec 11 02:49:43 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:49:43 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan Hughes day everybody! References: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> Message-ID: Gordon Bennett! Has it been that long? I've been out of the office since 2002. ----- Original Message ----- > Today, we commemorate the 24th anniversary of this glorious event. > > I'll be out of the office until Monday..... From ddarby at centurytel.net Wed Dec 11 06:46:08 2019 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:46:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan Hughes day everybody! In-Reply-To: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> References: <2e978c11-6615-a33b-573e-c942b042e380@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001f01d5b029$57d3be60$077b3b20$@centurytel.net> Everyone remembers what they were doing on Dan Hughes Day. I remember I was trying to get my computer to shut down. I'm thinking of leaving the office for the rest of the day... David From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Thu Dec 12 01:31:58 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 08:31:58 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] test Message-ID: <858A97A73A6946559951718ECED57627@paul> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 12 06:33:22 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] test In-Reply-To: <858A97A73A6946559951718ECED57627@paul> References: <858A97A73A6946559951718ECED57627@paul> Message-ID: <73f2cda7-b87f-15ed-d24e-1c4f1d2e4dd5@bradakis.com> Testing your "Out of the office" response? mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 12 10:44:58 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] In case you were wondering Message-ID: <2df8fab5-4082-90a5-36ee-4d822c8eaa17@bradakis.com> Not everybody has been on this list for decades.? Some of you may be wondering about the Dan Hughes reference, and 'out of office' comments. What happened those many years ago was that a list subscriber set up an automatic email response to any incoming mail.? I don't recall exactly how he did it, but it wasn't done according to, oh, shall we say best accepted practice at the time.? And in those early days of mailman software running the lists, there were some things that could have been improved. So Dan sets up this vacation response program and goes on his merry way.? He gets a message from the MG list.? His program responds to the MG list with his 'out of the office' canned response.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list.? The MG list gets his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list... You get the idea.? Basically this infinite loop put many thousands of email messages in the queue in a short time, really clogging things up and of course annoying 100% of the list members.? And it took some time on my part to step in, stop the loop and clean up the mess.? Just another day in the leisurely life of an overpaid and underworked sys admin. mjb. From tuck.southworth at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 12:30:01 2019 From: tuck.southworth at gmail.com (Truxtun Southworth) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] In case you were wondering In-Reply-To: <2df8fab5-4082-90a5-36ee-4d822c8eaa17@bradakis.com> References: <2df8fab5-4082-90a5-36ee-4d822c8eaa17@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I so remember that fiasco On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 1:33 PM Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: > Not everybody has been on this list for decades. Some of you may be > wondering about the Dan Hughes reference, and 'out of office' comments. > > What happened those many years ago was that a list subscriber set up an > automatic email response to any incoming mail. I don't recall exactly > how he did it, but it wasn't done according to, oh, shall we say best > accepted practice at the time. And in those early days of mailman > software running the lists, there were some things that could have been > improved. > > So Dan sets up this vacation response program and goes on his merry > way. He gets a message from the MG list. His program responds to the > MG list with his 'out of the office' canned response. The MG list gets > his response, and sends it out to the list. Dan's autoresponder gets a > copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned > response to the list. The MG list gets his response, and sends it out > to the list. Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' > and responds by sending his canned response to the list. The MG list > gets his response, and sends it out to the list. Dan's autoresponder > gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his > canned response to the list. The MG list gets his response, and sends > it out to the list. Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the > office' and responds by sending his canned response to the list. The MG > list gets his response, and sends it out to the list. Dan's > autoresponder gets a copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by > sending his canned response to the list. The MG list gets his response, > and sends it out to the list. Dan's autoresponder gets a copy of his > 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned response to the > list... > > You get the idea. 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URL: From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 13:52:25 2019 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] In case you were wondering In-Reply-To: <2df8fab5-4082-90a5-36ee-4d822c8eaa17@bradakis.com> References: <2df8fab5-4082-90a5-36ee-4d822c8eaa17@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <619942755.12757689.1576183945511@mail.yahoo.com> On Thursday, December 12, 2019, 11:52:42 AM PST, Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: > So Dan sets up this vacation response program and goes on his merry > way.? He gets a message from the MG list.? His program responds to the > MG list with his 'out of the office' canned response.? The MG list gets > his response, and sends it out to the list.? Dan's autoresponder gets a > copy of his 'out of the office' and responds by sending his canned > response to the list... Sounds like an early version of Microsoft Outlook, which happily sent vacation messages to the same sender over and over and over... And being a Microsoft product, broke many more rules and conventions for email.? Like top posting, rich text, etc. From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Dec 23 15:22:39 2019 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 22:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] New to list References: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> ? ? ?I would like to let the list know I'm here.? Some of you may know me from the Spridget or Healey lists.? I just bought a 69 MGB GT.? I have owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric overdrive and a factory hardtop.? This car did not have first or reverse.? It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s.??? ? ?I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and which ones work.? Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn signal stalk!? Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet.? The bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the tachometer.? It would shut off when you turn on the headlights.? If you turn off the panel lights, it comes back on.? Not looking forward to figuring this one out.? ?I am a retired locomotive engineer with a military flight engineer retirement also.? Lots of time to play with this new toy.? Hello and happy holidays to all on this list.Mike MacLeanSan Bernardino, CA Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolindsay at yahoo.com Mon Dec 23 17:15:06 2019 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 18:15:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> References: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1.ref@email.android.com> Message-ID: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolindsay at yahoo.com Mon Dec 23 17:15:06 2019 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 18:15:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> References: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1.ref@email.android.com> Message-ID: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Mon Dec 23 17:31:08 2019 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> References: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1.ref@email.android.com> <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> Message-ID: <273685540.3082777.1577147468535@mail.yahoo.com> Wow! Roland, you must have one large garage.? I am limited to a two car garage that already contains a 60 Bugeye, a 2002 Harley Davidson Heritage Springer and an Austin Healey BN2 under a full restoration.? Everything is done, it's just assembly now.? Nice collection of cars.? I think you have every main continent covered there.? The other cars I own including the GT have to sit outside.? My 1012 Accord ahs been outside since the day I brought it home new anyway and I have a parts runner 2000 F150 I also bought new.? Might as well include some pictures.? Front picture was taken yesterday.? The other two today.? As you can see it is raining here today.? I checked the car, it is dry inside.? After years of have nothing but convertible sports car, a dry interior is very welcome.Mike M On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:15:16 PM PST, wrote: ? ?Welcome Mike! Thanks for the introduction. Nicely made done.?? ?I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only guy who enjoys a basket case! I'm a retired geophysicist but love trains? planes, and well, about any kind of machine.?? ?To show that you're not alone, here are my cars. (Less details about the non-MG cars.) '53 MG TD - Bought dead from a list member here. It had a broken pushrod caused by a stuck valve. Still, it is a car with a fun background. The car's first owner was the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan. I still have the original diplomatic plates! Today, the car is restored to a high degree and running fine. '73 Jaguar E-Type - Bought is great running condition, nicely repainted, interior restoration underway. '75 Triumph TR6 - Bought dead. Current ytotal restoration project. '79 Lancia Zagato - Traded for. Concours level car. '79 Ferrari 308GTB - Bought running great but needing body and paint work. Now restored to concours level. '97 Nissan Hardbody pickup - Bought dead. Currently under repairs. '08 Porsche - Bought CPO from dealer, and it's still as-new. '09 Toyota Highlander - Bought new. Grocery getter. '10 Mercedes E350 - Bought used but almost as-new. Rick, in Houston, TX On Dec 23, 2019 4:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: ? ? ?I would like to let the list know I'm here.? Some of you may know me from the Spridget or Healey lists.? I just bought a 69 MGB GT.? I have owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric overdrive and a factory hardtop.? This car did not have first or reverse.? It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s.??? ? ?I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and which ones work.? Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn signal stalk!? Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet.? The bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the tachometer.? It would shut off when you turn on the headlights.? If you turn off the panel lights, it comes back on.? 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Everything is done, it's just assembly now.? Nice collection of cars.? I think you have every main continent covered there.? The other cars I own including the GT have to sit outside.? My 1012 Accord ahs been outside since the day I brought it home new anyway and I have a parts runner 2000 F150 I also bought new.? Might as well include some pictures.? Front picture was taken yesterday.? The other two today.? As you can see it is raining here today.? I checked the car, it is dry inside.? After years of have nothing but convertible sports car, a dry interior is very welcome.Mike M On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:15:16 PM PST, wrote: ? ?Welcome Mike! Thanks for the introduction. Nicely made done.?? ?I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only guy who enjoys a basket case! I'm a retired geophysicist but love trains? planes, and well, about any kind of machine.?? ?To show that you're not alone, here are my cars. (Less details about the non-MG cars.) '53 MG TD - Bought dead from a list member here. It had a broken pushrod caused by a stuck valve. Still, it is a car with a fun background. The car's first owner was the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan. I still have the original diplomatic plates! Today, the car is restored to a high degree and running fine. '73 Jaguar E-Type - Bought is great running condition, nicely repainted, interior restoration underway. '75 Triumph TR6 - Bought dead. Current ytotal restoration project. '79 Lancia Zagato - Traded for. Concours level car. '79 Ferrari 308GTB - Bought running great but needing body and paint work. Now restored to concours level. '97 Nissan Hardbody pickup - Bought dead. Currently under repairs. '08 Porsche - Bought CPO from dealer, and it's still as-new. '09 Toyota Highlander - Bought new. Grocery getter. '10 Mercedes E350 - Bought used but almost as-new. Rick, in Houston, TX On Dec 23, 2019 4:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: ? ? ?I would like to let the list know I'm here.? Some of you may know me from the Spridget or Healey lists.? I just bought a 69 MGB GT.? I have owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric overdrive and a factory hardtop.? This car did not have first or reverse.? It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s.??? ? ?I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and which ones work.? Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn signal stalk!? Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet.? The bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the tachometer.? It would shut off when you turn on the headlights.? If you turn off the panel lights, it comes back on.? Not looking forward to figuring this one out.? ?I am a retired locomotive engineer with a military flight engineer retirement also.? Lots of time to play with this new toy.? Hello and happy holidays to all on this list.Mike MacLeanSan Bernardino, CA _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrengineer.mike at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 17:41:22 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 18:41:22 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <273685540.3082777.1577147468535@mail.yahoo.com> References: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1.ref@email.android.com> <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> <273685540.3082777.1577147468535@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Wow! Roland, you must have one large garage. Rick, actually, but that doesn't matter. I have a three car garage at home. That was my only requirement for a house when we moved to Houston. Nancy did the rest. when I retired I leased a space into which I use as a shop. Its 25' x 60' with tall electric garage doors on both ends. It will fit eight cars but there are six three now. Highlander and MG live at home us the fun car d'jour. The rest are at the shop. Rick On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 6:33 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Wow! Roland, you must have one large garage. I am limited to a two car > garage that already contains a 60 Bugeye, a 2002 Harley Davidson Heritage > Springer and an Austin Healey BN2 under a full restoration. Everything is > done, it's just assembly now. Nice collection of cars. I think you have > every main continent covered there. The other cars I own including the GT > have to sit outside. My 1012 Accord ahs been outside since the day I > brought it home new anyway and I have a parts runner 2000 F150 I also > bought new. Might as well include some pictures. Front picture was taken > yesterday. The other two today. As you can see it is raining here today. > I checked the car, it is dry inside. After years of have nothing but > convertible sports car, a dry interior is very welcome. > Mike M > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:15:16 PM PST, > wrote: > > > Welcome Mike! Thanks for the introduction. Nicely made done. > I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only guy who enjoys a basket case! > I'm a retired geophysicist but love trains planes, and well, about any > kind of machine. > To show that you're not alone, here are my cars. (Less details about > the non-MG cars.) > > '53 MG TD - Bought dead from a list member here. It had a broken pushrod > caused by a stuck valve. Still, it is a car with a fun background. The > car's first owner was the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan. I still have the > original diplomatic plates! Today, the car is restored to a high degree and > running fine. > > '73 Jaguar E-Type - Bought is great running condition, nicely repainted, > interior restoration underway. > > '75 Triumph TR6 - Bought dead. Current ytotal restoration project. > > '79 Lancia Zagato - Traded for. Concours level car. > > '79 Ferrari 308GTB - Bought running great but needing body and paint work. > Now restored to concours level. > > '97 Nissan Hardbody pickup - Bought dead. Currently under repairs. > > '08 Porsche - Bought CPO from dealer, and it's still as-new. > > '09 Toyota Highlander - Bought new. Grocery getter. > > '10 Mercedes E350 - Bought used but almost as-new. > > Rick, in Houston, TX > > On Dec 23, 2019 4:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > > I would like to let the list know I'm here. Some of you may know me > from the Spridget or Healey lists. I just bought a 69 MGB GT. I have > owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric > overdrive and a factory hardtop. This car did not have first or reverse. > It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s. > I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and > which ones work. Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn > signal stalk! Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet. The > bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the > tachometer. It would shut off when you turn on the headlights. If you > turn off the panel lights, it comes back on. Not looking forward to > figuring this one out. > I am a retired locomotive engineer with a military flight engineer > retirement also. Lots of time to play with this new toy. Hello and happy > holidays to all on this list. > Mike MacLean > San Bernardino, CA > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardolindsay at gmail.com Mon Dec 23 17:42:54 2019 From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 18:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <273685540.3082777.1577147468535@mail.yahoo.com> References: <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1.ref@email.android.com> <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> <840381eb-fcd4-444e-a08b-43e75fa54ec1@email.android.com> <273685540.3082777.1577147468535@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BGT is beautiful! I want one when I sell the TD. On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 6:33 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Wow! Roland, you must have one large garage. I am limited to a two car > garage that already contains a 60 Bugeye, a 2002 Harley Davidson Heritage > Springer and an Austin Healey BN2 under a full restoration. Everything is > done, it's just assembly now. Nice collection of cars. I think you have > every main continent covered there. The other cars I own including the GT > have to sit outside. My 1012 Accord ahs been outside since the day I > brought it home new anyway and I have a parts runner 2000 F150 I also > bought new. Might as well include some pictures. Front picture was taken > yesterday. The other two today. As you can see it is raining here today. > I checked the car, it is dry inside. After years of have nothing but > convertible sports car, a dry interior is very welcome. > Mike M > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:15:16 PM PST, > wrote: > > > Welcome Mike! Thanks for the introduction. Nicely made done. > I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only guy who enjoys a basket case! > I'm a retired geophysicist but love trains planes, and well, about any > kind of machine. > To show that you're not alone, here are my cars. (Less details about > the non-MG cars.) > > '53 MG TD - Bought dead from a list member here. It had a broken pushrod > caused by a stuck valve. Still, it is a car with a fun background. The > car's first owner was the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan. I still have the > original diplomatic plates! Today, the car is restored to a high degree and > running fine. > > '73 Jaguar E-Type - Bought is great running condition, nicely repainted, > interior restoration underway. > > '75 Triumph TR6 - Bought dead. Current ytotal restoration project. > > '79 Lancia Zagato - Traded for. Concours level car. > > '79 Ferrari 308GTB - Bought running great but needing body and paint work. > Now restored to concours level. > > '97 Nissan Hardbody pickup - Bought dead. Currently under repairs. > > '08 Porsche - Bought CPO from dealer, and it's still as-new. > > '09 Toyota Highlander - Bought new. Grocery getter. > > '10 Mercedes E350 - Bought used but almost as-new. > > Rick, in Houston, TX > > On Dec 23, 2019 4:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > > I would like to let the list know I'm here. Some of you may know me > from the Spridget or Healey lists. I just bought a 69 MGB GT. I have > owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric > overdrive and a factory hardtop. This car did not have first or reverse. > It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s. > I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and > which ones work. Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn > signal stalk! Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet. The > bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the > tachometer. It would shut off when you turn on the headlights. If you > turn off the panel lights, it comes back on. Not looking forward to > figuring this one out. > I am a retired locomotive engineer with a military flight engineer > retirement also. Lots of time to play with this new toy. Hello and happy > holidays to all on this list. > Mike MacLean > San Bernardino, CA > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You have to make the decision of which car to drive today. > A tough burden to bear. ;^) > Mike M > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:49:32 PM PST, Richard Lindsay < > richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote: > > > My pictures, of the fun ones: > > '53 MG TD > > '73 Jaguar E-Type > > '75 Triumph TR6 > > '79 Lancia Zagato > > '79 Ferrari 308GTB > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Dec 24 01:30:46 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 08:30:46 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] New to list References: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tachometer problem is easy - the earth connection to the tach is missing. With the panel lights not powered it can 'see' an earth via its panel light and via the panel light wiring to other instruments and their earths. With the panel lights powered that 'earth' become 12v. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... The bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the tachometer. It would shut off when you turn on the headlights. If you turn off the panel lights, it comes back on. Not looking forward to figuring this one out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Tue Dec 24 03:19:24 2019 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:19:24 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] New to list In-Reply-To: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1279289359.3069736.1577139759332@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01d5ba43$9d549940$d7fdcbc0$@planet.nl> Welcome Michael! Good taste that GT! I own a February 1971 BGT ex-Calif w/o overdrive colored in New Racing Green with chromed wire wheels. Attached a picture made during our holidays in the UK some years ago. I live in the Netherlands, work as a Sr. ICT Infrastructure Architect (Sr. because the color of my hair?) and am looking forward to my retirement over 6 months, though I?m asked to proceed working for one or two days a week. The GT has been exported to the Netherlands early 1990 and I bought it on May 2nd that year. The GT was solid, but warn out in many aspects. As we have a 4 kids family, it took me 10 years to get it road worthy and titled. Quite an adventure for someone, who never did such a big job on a car before. But this list, of which I?m a member since 1993, helped me enormously all these years. In 2000 and 2006 I went to the Boston area for business meetings and asked the list whether there was interest in a MG meeting. Both times we got together with a nice group of listers in the oldest inn of USA, where Longfellow wrote his poems. In 2011 I came to Colorado Springs, where again I met and toured with a group of classic car owners. Also in 2011 I went for holidays to England, where I met Paul Hunt and the heritage Museum. So this list also is for making friends! Besides my GT, I also own several classic Puch mopeds, which were cult amongst the youngsters in the sixties and seventies. I sold the one which always was used by my wife in summertime, but she cannot ride it anymore because of her health. It was a good investment, as the value tripled in 10 years. Still three Puch mopeds left, where one is exactly like the one I bought new on May 30th 1970 and the vin only differs 6 digits! All Puch mopeds have been dismantled totally for a ground up restauration and with nice weather it is great touring on these little bikes. My early 1971 GT has the hornpush on the boss steering wheel. The stalk one you have was fashion in the late sixties on the British cars, as I can remember it from my 1966 Ford Cortina. Cheers, Hans Hoofddorp (near Amsterdam) Netherlands Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens Michael MacLean via Mgs Verzonden: maandag 23 december 2019 23:23 Aan: mgs at autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] New to list I would like to let the list know I'm here. Some of you may know me from the Spridget or Healey lists. I just bought a 69 MGB GT. I have owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric overdrive and a factory hardtop. This car did not have first or reverse. It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s. I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and which ones work. Complete surprise to me the horn is activated in the turn signal stalk! Raining today, but I have not checked the wipers yet. The bugaboo I encountered on the way home from buying this car was the tachometer. It would shut off when you turn on the headlights. If you turn off the panel lights, it comes back on. 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Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 7:32 PM Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > Wow! Roland, you must have one large garage. I am limited to a two car > garage that already contains a 60 Bugeye, a 2002 Harley Davidson Heritage > Springer and an Austin Healey BN2 under a full restoration. Everything is > done, it's just assembly now. Nice collection of cars. I think you have > every main continent covered there. The other cars I own including the GT > have to sit outside. My 1012 Accord ahs been outside since the day I > brought it home new anyway and I have a parts runner 2000 F150 I also > bought new. Might as well include some pictures. Front picture was taken > yesterday. The other two today. As you can see it is raining here today. > I checked the car, it is dry inside. After years of have nothing but > convertible sports car, a dry interior is very welcome. > Mike M > > On Monday, December 23, 2019, 4:15:16 PM PST, > wrote: > > > Welcome Mike! Thanks for the introduction. Nicely made done. > I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only guy who enjoys a basket case! > I'm a retired geophysicist but love trains planes, and well, about any > kind of machine. > To show that you're not alone, here are my cars. (Less details about > the non-MG cars.) > > '53 MG TD - Bought dead from a list member here. It had a broken pushrod > caused by a stuck valve. Still, it is a car with a fun background. The > car's first owner was the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan. I still have the > original diplomatic plates! Today, the car is restored to a high degree and > running fine. > > '73 Jaguar E-Type - Bought is great running condition, nicely repainted, > interior restoration underway. > > '75 Triumph TR6 - Bought dead. Current ytotal restoration project. > > '79 Lancia Zagato - Traded for. Concours level car. > > '79 Ferrari 308GTB - Bought running great but needing body and paint work. > Now restored to concours level. > > '97 Nissan Hardbody pickup - Bought dead. Currently under repairs. > > '08 Porsche - Bought CPO from dealer, and it's still as-new. > > '09 Toyota Highlander - Bought new. Grocery getter. > > '10 Mercedes E350 - Bought used but almost as-new. > > Rick, in Houston, TX > > On Dec 23, 2019 4:22 PM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > > I would like to let the list know I'm here. Some of you may know me > from the Spridget or Healey lists. I just bought a 69 MGB GT. I have > owned several MGs in the past, but my last one was a 66 MGB with electric > overdrive and a factory hardtop. This car did not have first or reverse. > It only cost $350, but this was back in the 80s. > I have been trying to figure our switches and knobs in the GT and > which ones work. 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There were only about 2,600 made. Personally, I prefer the MGC. Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 8:08 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > Hello friends, > This talk about the B-GT has me wondering about other MGs, specifically > the V8 cars. That was a Rover V8 right? In which bodies and years was it > used? Ever in the B-GT? Any real power or torque advantage? Yea, I'm just > having a nerd moment... > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrob at bell.net Tue Dec 24 09:09:50 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] History lesson needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh My Oath,??? The MGC is far too heavy at the front for decent driving compared to the MGB GT V8 which was lighter and had more horses.? The C engine is around 200lbs heavier than the 1.8 iron block - the MGB V8 Rover engine weighs about the SAME as the 1.8 iron block motor. My 3.5L V8 puts out 220 bhp (HC pistons and mild cam) against the originals which were less than 140 hp.?? The low bhp was I believe because the engine put out too much heat for the engine bay.? After getting more BHP it took me ages to tame the beast so that it did not overheat.?? I ended up with double ceramic coated exhaust manifold, custom aluminium radiator, and phenolic gasket for the engine/carburettor (downdraft Weber).??? Now all is well and I believe 220 is a low ball number.?? But I believe the handling of the factory V8 is much better then the C.?? Not that I am biased or anything ....and what harm is there to have 200lbs sitting on your bonnet?? On 12/24/2019 8:50 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote: > Rick, the MGB-GT V8 was built?from 1973 - 1976, using the 3.5 liter > Rover V8 (which was originally a GM engine I believe) - it made less > than 140 HP and about 195 ft/lbs of torque. Introduced at the height > of the energy crisis...... There were only about 2,600 made. > > Personally, I prefer the MGC. > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ > > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 8:08 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs > > wrote: > > Hello friends, > ? ?This talk about the B-GT has me wondering about other MGs, > specifically the V8 cars. That was a Rover V8 right? In which > bodies and years was it used? Ever in the B-GT? Any real power or > torque advantage? 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My 3.5L V8 puts > out 220 bhp (HC pistons and mild cam) against the originals which were less > than 140 hp. The low bhp was I believe because the engine put out too > much heat for the engine bay. After getting more BHP it took me ages to > tame the beast so that it did not overheat. I ended up with double > ceramic coated exhaust manifold, custom aluminium radiator, and phenolic > gasket for the engine/carburettor (downdraft Weber). Now all is well and > I believe 220 is a low ball number. But I believe the handling of the > factory V8 is much better then the C. Not that I am biased or anything > ....and what harm is there to have 200lbs sitting on your bonnet?? > > On 12/24/2019 8:50 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote: > > Rick, the MGB-GT V8 was built from 1973 - 1976, using the 3.5 liter Rover > V8 (which was originally a GM engine I believe) - it made less than 140 HP > and about 195 ft/lbs of torque. Introduced at the height of the energy > crisis...... There were only about 2,600 made. > > Personally, I prefer the MGC. > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ > > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 8:08 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs < > mgs at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Hello friends, >> This talk about the B-GT has me wondering about other MGs, >> specifically the V8 cars. That was a Rover V8 right? In which bodies and >> years was it used? Ever in the B-GT? Any real power or torque advantage? >> Yea, I'm just having a nerd moment... >> >> Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But there is someting about the balance > of the 1.8 that makes them g8n to drive. > With mods my Healey puts out around 150 hp > > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > 1959 Austin Healey BN4 > 1967 MGB > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 8:10 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs > > wrote: > > Oh My Oath,??? The MGC is far too heavy at the front for decent > driving compared to the MGB GT V8 which was lighter and had more > horses.? The C engine is around 200lbs heavier than the 1.8 iron > block - the MGB V8 Rover engine weighs about the SAME as the 1.8 > iron block motor. My 3.5L V8 puts out 220 bhp (HC pistons and mild > cam) against the originals which were less than 140 hp.?? The low > bhp was I believe because the engine put out too much heat for the > engine bay.? After getting more BHP it took me ages to tame the > beast so that it did not overheat.?? I ended up with double > ceramic coated exhaust manifold, custom aluminium radiator, and > phenolic gasket for the engine/carburettor (downdraft Weber).??? > Now all is well and I believe 220 is a low ball number.?? But I > believe the handling of the factory V8 is much better then the > C.?? Not that I am biased or anything ....and what harm is there > to have 200lbs sitting on your bonnet?? > > On 12/24/2019 8:50 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote: >> Rick, the MGB-GT V8 was built?from 1973 - 1976, using the 3.5 >> liter Rover V8 (which was originally a GM engine I believe) - it >> made less than 140 HP and about 195 ft/lbs of torque. Introduced >> at the height of the energy crisis...... There were only about >> 2,600 made. >> >> Personally, I prefer the MGC. >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 8:08 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs >> > wrote: >> >> Hello friends, >> ? ?This talk about the B-GT has me wondering about other MGs, >> specifically the V8 cars. That was a Rover V8 right? In which >> bodies and years was it used? Ever in the B-GT? Any real >> power or torque advantage? Yea, I'm just having a nerd moment... >> >> Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation? $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From j.marcell16 at icloud.com Fri Dec 27 03:57:15 2019 From: j.marcell16 at icloud.com (john marcell) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 04:57:15 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGBGT V8 Message-ID: Rick I have a ?73 Factory V8 and have had 4 GT over the years. No comparison between the 4 and 8 cylinder engines. The 139 hp is all you need in the car as far as I believe you need. We have several MGs in our club with much larger Rover engines. You should join the Texas MG Register. We had our Fall meet in Katy this past October. 75 cars were there along with John Twist. Fall meet in May in the Austin area Phil Marcell Plano Texas Sent from my iPhone From barrob at bell.net Sun Dec 29 11:11:45 2019 From: barrob at bell.net (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:11:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGBGT V8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3934b181-e47a-76cf-f77b-1f649d44a926@bell.net> Hello Phil, Would love to join but Texas is a long way to go when one is 86 and no longer a cowboy driver !!!? Over a decade ago I built an MGB GT V8 from bits as there were none around to buy.? I had the "normal" GT as well as the convertible but neither could cope with 100km highways, and trucks were frightening to pass with the asthmatic 4 pot.?? The rebuilt 3.5L engine came from the UK with HC pistons an a mild cam plus other stuff.? It now puts out a modest 240bhp (maybe more) with Webers plus suspension mods - and frankly I have never had the guts to test it out !!! Having had a motley of Italian, German and British cars I find the MGB GT V8 the best of the lot - even over my Maserati !!!!!! All the best for the New Year Barrie On 12/27/2019 5:57 AM, john marcell via Mgs wrote: > Rick > I have a ?73 Factory V8 and have had 4 GT over the years. No comparison between the 4 and 8 cylinder engines. The 139 hp is all you need in the car as far as I believe you need. We have several MGs in our club with much larger Rover engines. > You should join the Texas MG Register. We had our Fall meet in Katy this past October. 75 cars were there along with John Twist. Fall meet in May in the Austin area > > Phil Marcell > Plano Texas > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob at bell.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Tue Dec 31 05:08:46 2019 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel References: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> I have a 1969 MGB GT with some aftermarket steering wheel.? Does the early (63-67) steering wheel in all the catalogs fit my car, or is the splined shaft a different size? Mike MacLean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Tue Dec 31 07:31:27 2019 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:31:27 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel References: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <995B4EA00CD34326ADD735CFFDD6F4D8@paul> According to Clausager there were four different sets of columns and wheels over the years and they are not interchangeable. But that isn't necessarily borne out by the Parts Catalogue, and North America may have changed from the first to the second type with the Mk2, whereas the rest of the world didn't change until the 1970 model year, and only had three types. The last change for the 1977 model year on only has an impact on indicator cancelling and horn push, the splines don't seem to have changed after 1970. Incidentally the horn push moved to a column stalk for just one year before moving back to the wheel, what impact that had on the wheel centre I don't know. For North America the splines for the Mk1 were 3/4" x 48, then 5/8" x 36, then 11/16" x 36. If that wasn't complicated enough there were three different thread and TPI combinations - Mk1 11/16" x 27TPI, up to 1970 9/16" x 27TPI, then 9/16" x 18TPI. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I have a 1969 MGB GT with some aftermarket steering wheel. Does the early (63-67) steering wheel in all the catalogs fit my car, or is the splined shaft a different size? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Dec 31 12:04:37 2019 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:04:37 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, the 69 North American steering wheel spline is different from the earlier cars. I have been through this before on another project. In fact, I believe it is a one-or-two-year-only deal. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: > > ? > I have a 1969 MGB GT with some aftermarket steering wheel. Does the early (63-67) steering wheel in all the catalogs fit my car, or is the splined shaft a different size? > > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrengineer.mike at att.net Tue Dec 31 14:18:37 2019 From: rrengineer.mike at att.net (Michael MacLean) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928565109.5377080.1577827117390@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Max.? I see original steering wheels for sale on Ebay and they are advertised as for 68 and 69 cars.? The earlier wheels have reproductions available.? Just wasn't sure.? I remember reading for 69 they went to a different, better plastic which would make that wheel a one year only.Mike M On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 11:04:41 AM PST, Max Heim wrote: No, the 69 North American steering wheel spline is different from the earlier cars. I have been through this before on another project. In fact, I believe it is a one-or-two-year-only deal. Sent from my iPad On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs wrote: ?I have a 1969 MGB GT with some aftermarket steering wheel.? Does the early (63-67) steering wheel in all the catalogs fit my car, or is the splined shaft a different size? Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.dibiase at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 14:19:41 2019 From: dan.dibiase at gmail.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel In-Reply-To: References: <1221832157.5185246.1577794126087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: According to the Moss catalog, 68-69 steering wheels are different from the earlier and later wheels, so I assume the splines are different. Dan D Central NJ USA On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 2:05 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > No, the 69 North American steering wheel spline is different from the > earlier cars. I have been through this before on another project. In fact, > I believe it is a one-or-two-year-only deal. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Michael MacLean via Mgs > wrote: > > ? > I have a 1969 MGB GT with some aftermarket steering wheel. Does the early > (63-67) steering wheel in all the catalogs fit my car, or is the splined > shaft a different size? > > Mike MacLean > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim at sonic.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase at gmail.com > -- http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: