From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 12:17:43 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:17:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address.

Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the
approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings,
running boards, dash, seats, etc.?  I am about to buy an electric
hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on
there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make
sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above.
 Thanks.

-rick

From mvheim at sonic.net  Fri Mar  1 12:43:25 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:43:25 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD5644DD.43E45%mvheim@sonic.net>

I don't know, but I'd guess it's less than a Lotus engine...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/1/13 11:17 AM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Friends,
> 
> Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address.
> 
> Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the
> approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings,
> running boards, dash, seats, etc.?  I am about to buy an electric
> hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on
> there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make
> sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above.
>  Thanks.
> 
> -rick

From blairweiss at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 13:30:50 2013
From: blairweiss at gmail.com (Blair Weiss)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:30:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Weight of a t-series body
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B33C400-8C87-43D9-A977-BB51A9522CBF@gmail.com>

You mean w/o frame... just the tub... Less than 100lbs...

Blair

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Friends,
>
> Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address.
>
> Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the
> approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings,
> running boards, dash, seats, etc.?  I am about to buy an electric
> hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on
> there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make
> sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above.
> Thanks.
>
> -rick
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  1 13:31:58 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:31:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1362169918.83794.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

So much for 'adding lightness', I guess!

Dan D
'76 B
'65 B
Central NJ USA
________________________________
 From: Richard Lindsay
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Sent:
Friday, March 1, 2013 2:17 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body
 
Hello
Friends,

Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address.

Question for those
wise in the ways of science; What is the
approximate weight of a t-series
car's body, stripped of trim, wings,
running boards, dash, seats, etc.?  I am
about to buy an electric
hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The
lotus engine on
there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to
make
sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above.
Thanks.

-rick
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From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar  1 18:55:02 2013
From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:55:02 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Weight of a t-series body
In-Reply-To: <1B33C400-8C87-43D9-A977-BB51A9522CBF@gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyYSdNhiC+km43i8FrMm-cdD16pc+_X=o4Cq3UJsjr0xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B33C400-8C87-43D9-A977-BB51A9522CBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51315BF6.4060101@justbrits.com>

<< On 3/1/2013 2:30 PM, Blair Weiss wrote:
> just the tub... Less than 100lbs...  >>

Blair, do you mean ONLY the 'steel' or ONLY the 'wood';  surely not 
BOTH assembled ? ! ?

I have hauled several 'tubs' (assembled wood & steel --- NO 'holes' 
nor bondo <G>) and the HAVE exhibited noticeable drop to very good 
springs in either El Camino ! ? ! ! !

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Sat Mar  2 18:15:17 2013
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:15:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1362250801.16577.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1362250801.16577.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <5132A425.8090102@comcast.net>

Laden or unladen?

On 3/2/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:17:43 -0600
> From: Richard Lindsay<richardolindsay at gmail.com>
> To:mgs at autox.team.net,mg-t at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello Friends,
>
> Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address.
>
> Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the
> approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings,
> running boards, dash, seats, etc.?  I am about to buy an electric
> hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on
> there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make
> sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above.
>   Thanks.
>
> -rick

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Mar  5 08:27:43 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:27:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring!
Message-ID: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com>

Hoo Boy!  84* & calm  yesterday afternoon.   Talk about top-down 
weather.  Wandering around in just a T-shirt.
didn't last though 44* now and windy as H.  High is going to be 60* or 
so.  Still, I'm glad I live in the south.

CR

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 08:42:04 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:42:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring!
In-Reply-To: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com>
References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <20455791-B638-4C2F-AAB2-B743D5F0331E@gmail.com>

It's warm here too. 27! 5 new inches of snow.

Trying to decide whether to get a new top (badly needed, but rarely used), a
new tonneau (destroyed, and I always used a lot), or both this year.


Sent from my iPad

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com>
wrote:

> Hoo Boy!  84* & calm  yesterday afternoon.   Talk about top-down weather.
Wandering around in just a T-shirt.
> didn't last though 44* now and windy as H.  High is going to be 60* or so.
Still, I'm glad I live in the south.
>
> CR
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Mar  5 08:47:45 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:47:45 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring!
References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <B817AFA0EAC04ED7882AD42AE88FDD39@paul>

You need 84 before you only need a T-shirt? :o)

Sitting in the garden in my T-shirt today - 54F.

PaulH
The Tropical Midlands, but further north than Newfoundland ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> Hoo Boy!  84* & calm  yesterday afternoon.   Talk about top-down 
> weather.  Wandering around in just a T-shirt.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue Mar  5 11:22:38 2013
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:22:38 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring!
In-Reply-To: <B817AFA0EAC04ED7882AD42AE88FDD39@paul>
References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com> <B817AFA0EAC04ED7882AD42AE88FDD39@paul>
Message-ID: <001b01ce19ce$6af65910$40e30b30$@planet.nl>

We even got more - 14 deg C 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 5 maart 2013 16:48
Aan: ccrobins at ktc.com; mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring!

You need 84 before you only need a T-shirt? :o)

Sitting in the garden in my T-shirt today - 54F.

PaulH
The Tropical Midlands, but further north than Newfoundland ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> Hoo Boy!  84* & calm  yesterday afternoon.   Talk about top-down 
> weather.  Wandering around in just a T-shirt.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Mar  6 13:12:01 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Network outage
Message-ID: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com>

Had a network outage last night.  I took advantage of the downtime to do 
a bit
of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again.

mjb.

From jimray at hartcom.net  Thu Mar  7 09:38:26 2013
From: jimray at hartcom.net (Jim Ray)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:38:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Automatic transmission rear mount
Message-ID: <56A55F1207114676885F04A926B0EE69@TheRaysPC>

Have a BW T35 transmission in my MGB and am looking for a source for the
rear transmission mount. This is the same transmission that was used in the
MGC and many other British cars of that era.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim Ray

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar  7 09:46:20 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:46:20 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount
References: <56A55F1207114676885F04A926B0EE69@TheRaysPC>
Message-ID: <AF9ADDEB619C4CC8A17106F1E0CA6118@paul>

The T35 was used in the MGB 4-cylinder and there's no indication in the 
Parts catalogue that the rear mounts were any different to the manual.  The 
only thing that appears to have differed (over time not between manual and 
auto) is the engine restraint arrangements.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Have a BW T35 transmission in my MGB and am looking for a source for the
> rear transmission mount. This is the same transmission that was used in 
> the
> MGC and many other British cars of that era.

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Mar  7 10:16:40 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:16:40 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount
Message-ID: <20130307.121640.9295.0@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>

  John Esposito, Quantum Mechanics, in Oxford, Ct, USA, should be able to
confirm this.
Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
To: "Jim Ray" <jimray at hartcom.net>, <mgs at autox.team.net>, "MG-V8 List \(MG-V8
List\)" <mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:46:20 -0000

The T35 was used in the MGB 4-cylinder and there's no indication in the
Parts catalogue that the rear mounts were any different to the manual.  The
only thing that appears to have differed (over time not between manual and
auto) is the engine restraint arrangements.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----
> Have a BW T35 transmission in my MGB and am looking for a source for the
> rear transmission mount. This is the same transmission that was used in
> the
> MGC and many other British cars of that era.
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From frankk12 at verizon.net  Fri Mar  8 14:48:28 2013
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:48:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Part Needed
Message-ID: <DC6F867766DA42DE8635610C6A5E9D46@frankdcczr6l6k>

I have a good friend in need of a crank pulley from an 18V motor. Moss lists
them as NA. Anyone who has one and is willing to part with it let me know and
I will relay the message. Thanks.
Frank Krajewski

From eugeneb at nni.com  Fri Mar  8 18:02:59 2013
From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <DC6F867766DA42DE8635610C6A5E9D46@frankdcczr6l6k>
Message-ID: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>

All,

   I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B.
They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through.
I have a couple of questions;

Moss has a several types of bushings.  Is there one type
that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that
puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads. 

Regarding the actual replacement  - are there any
"gotchas"?  Any special tools required ?  Should I replace
the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to
be realigned.

Thanks in advance,

   Gene 
80 B
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From mgbob at juno.com  Fri Mar  8 19:08:22 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 02:08:22 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
Message-ID: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>

Gene,
  Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the
replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years is
all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage and
enjoy it.
   I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present MGB
is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may transmit more
noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern.
  For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been
delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and the
improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but
always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is
banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all conditions.
   I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year old
front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in rear
springs and shackles.
   Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need
any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits in
the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more often
than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily found) but
you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its rebound rubbers,
has a lot of energy.
   If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok.
Bob


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Eugene Balinski" <eugeneb at nni.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500

All,

   I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B.
They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through.
I have a couple of questions;

Moss has a several types of bushings.  Is there one type
that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that
puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads.

Regarding the actual replacement  - are there any
"gotchas"?  Any special tools required ?  Should I replace
the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to
be realigned.

Thanks in advance,

   Gene
80 B
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 20:05:25 2013
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 19:05:25 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
References: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <866AFEE4-26A8-45CB-AF00-F25CD0812621@gmail.com>

The prime gotcha is the suspension has to be at normal ride height when you
tighten it up.
If you let the wheels hang when you tighten everything up the bushings will
tear when the suspension compresses.
So figure out someway to have the suspension at normal ride height ramps are
one way.
Have fun
Rick
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2013, at 17:02, "Eugene Balinski" <eugeneb at nni.com> wrote:

> All,
>
>   I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B.
> They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through.
> I have a couple of questions;
>
> Moss has a several types of bushings.  Is there one type
> that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that
> puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads.
>
> Regarding the actual replacement  - are there any
> "gotchas"?  Any special tools required ?  Should I replace
> the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to
> be realigned.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>   Gene
> 80 B
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Mar  9 04:22:34 2013
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>

I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well.
No sounds are produced, because it still is based on a rubber compound.
ProThane bushings are very hard, so hardly absorb any vibrations.

I used to press them in with a B&D Workmate, after applying Vaseline to the
outer side of the bushing and the place where it is pressed into.
Vaseline also is good against the rubber to dry out.

Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT 


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Aan: eugeneb at nni.com
CC: mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B)

Gene,
  Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the
replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years is
all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage and
enjoy it.
   I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present
MGB is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may transmit
more noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern.
  For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been
delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and the
improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but
always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is
banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all conditions.
   I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year
old front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in
rear springs and shackles.
   Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need
any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits in
the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more
often than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily
found) but you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its
rebound rubbers, has a lot of energy.
   If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok.
Bob


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Eugene Balinski" <eugeneb at nni.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500

All,

   I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B.
They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through.
I have a couple of questions;

Moss has a several types of bushings.  Is there one type that is preferred,
and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year,
mostly back roads.

Regarding the actual replacement  - are there any "gotchas"?  Any special
tools required ?  Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ?
Will the FE need to be realigned.

Thanks in advance,

   Gene
80 B

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sat Mar  9 06:54:43 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:54:43 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
	<004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul>

Ditto, I've done 100k in the V8 and not changed them, and the car has done 
over 200k.  If they were bad it would be an MOT failure.  I replaced the 
A-arms on the roadster and use V8 bushes on that, they are probably still 
just bedding-in after 15 years and 30k or so.

Still, one man's, erm, rubber is possibly different to another's.


PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 07:29:23 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:29:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>
References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
	<004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <F2567033-B6AE-410A-A777-BAB449C3D8D6@gmail.com>

I redid my suspension, 9 years ago, the year after I got it. The a-arms were
also bad and I replaced them, and of course, the king pins. My poor car had
been neglected. I got the negitive camber a-arms.

It had V8 bushings that were still in good shape, I have them in a box
somewhere.

I replaced everything with the red prothane, and have be very happy with them.
They are not harsh in my opinion.

If I remember correctly, I got all the bushings at Summit Racing. At the time,
Moss only had the a-arm bushes.

Paul.

On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:22 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:

> I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well.
> No sounds are produced, because it still is based on a rubber compound.
> ProThane bushings are very hard, so hardly absorb any vibrations.
>
> I used to press them in with a B&D Workmate, after applying Vaseline to the
> outer side of the bushing and the place where it is pressed into.
> Vaseline also is good against the rubber to dry out.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
> 71 BGT
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens
> mgbob at juno.com
> Verzonden: zaterdag 9 maart 2013 3:08
> Aan: eugeneb at nni.com
> CC: mgs at autox.team.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B)
>
> Gene,
>  Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the
> replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years
is
> all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage
and
> enjoy it.
>   I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present
> MGB is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may
transmit
> more noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern.
>  For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been
> delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and
the
> improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but
> always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is
> banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all
conditions.
>   I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year
> old front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in
> rear springs and shackles.
>   Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need
> any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits
in
> the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more
> often than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily
> found) but you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its
> rebound rubbers, has a lot of energy.
>   If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok.
> Bob
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Eugene Balinski" <eugeneb at nni.com>
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500
>
> All,
>
>   I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B.
> They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through.
> I have a couple of questions;
>
> Moss has a several types of bushings.  Is there one type that is preferred,
> and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year,
> mostly back roads.
>
> Regarding the actual replacement  - are there any "gotchas"?  Any special
> tools required ?  Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ?
> Will the FE need to be realigned.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>   Gene
> 80 B
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From barrie at look.ca  Sat Mar  9 07:34:23 2013
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:34:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul>
References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
	<004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>
	<58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul>
Message-ID: <E1UEL3p-0002qI-6x@beta.look.ca>

I used the V8 bushings from Moss because I did not like the 
murmurings that polywally things would be noisy.   This despite me 
soundproofing my GT V8 with a lot of stuff (my own developed 
soundproofing which is 1/4 the price of Dynamat and twice as 
effective).  They are fine after 5 or more years and no signs of 
deterioration.

It may be that those pollywally things are pushed by suppliers 
because the markup is so high.   You can make them yourself for 
pennies so in bulk they probably are less than a penny each but sold 
for relatively big wallops of cash.


At 01:54 PM 3/9/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>Ditto, I've done 100k in the V8 and not changed them, and the car 
>has done over 200k.  If they were bad it would be an MOT failure.  I 
>replaced the A-arms on the roadster and use V8 bushes on that, they 
>are probably still just bedding-in after 15 years and 30k or so.
>
>Still, one man's, erm, rubber is possibly different to another's.
>
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well.
>_______________________________________________
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Sat Mar  9 09:08:15 2013
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <E1UEL3p-0002qI-6x@beta.look.ca>
References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
	<004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl>
	<58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul>
	<E1UEL3p-0002qI-6x@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <AD0700EF-CEC4-4D21-B47A-A1E3B0196C73@trebelhorn.com>

V8 bushings -- even if assembled with anti-sieze -- can and do rust  
to the pivot shaft.  Disassembly is not simple.

After learning that lesson, the only choice for me is the poly  
bushings.  No complaints about how they feel, they seem to have a  
decent life span, and -- having no metal -- aren't going to rust in  
place.

Matt

From palte at gmx.net  Sat Mar  9 12:32:03 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:32:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
References: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-46b63321-677b-45b3-9717-f66ffb7c9959-1362857523695@3capp-gmx-bs62>


From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Mar  9 15:52:37 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B)
In-Reply-To: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
References: <web-486879296@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <513BBD35.5000404@ktc.com>

I used the V8 bushings over 6 years ago.  No problems to date.  My B had 
the stock bushings - what was left of them.  Had to replace the pivot 
shafts due to rust.

CR

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Mar  9 15:55:30 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:55:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Network outage
In-Reply-To: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com>
References: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <513BBDE2.2070905@ktc.com>

Hah!  No wonder I got a bounce message.  Keep up the good work, Mark!

CR
On 3/6/2013 2:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> Had a network outage last night.  I took advantage of the downtime to 
> do a bit
> of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again.
>
> mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Mar  9 16:02:29 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Network outage
In-Reply-To: <513BBDE2.2070905@ktc.com>
References: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com> <513BBDE2.2070905@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <513BBF85.6000305@bradakis.com>

I hope to get the forums updated this weekend so folks can actually
register once again.  We shall see.

mjb.

From rshellen at comcast.net  Sun Mar 10 09:38:48 2013
From: rshellen at comcast.net (Ron Shellenberger)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing  (Late B) (Barrie Robinson
In-Reply-To: <1599072243.383886.1362929662903.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54166109.384028.1362929928678.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Barrie,

Interested in your self-made sound proofing. Willing to share the details?

B  I have a 41Ford on the front burner and 2 B's and a Volvo waiting on back
burners that will need it

Ron

From mgmagnette at aol.com  Sun Mar 10 10:04:49 2013
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (John)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:04:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Initial HS2 carb setting
Message-ID: <D021F707-F0EA-446B-BDD3-DAAB9C43F440@aol.com>


From palte at gmx.net  Tue Mar 12 05:25:45 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:25:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mgs] Bushings
Message-ID: <trinity-f024a3ce-4869-4ef1-963b-196cc5b60033-1363087545514@3capp-gmx-bs46>


From palte at gmx.net  Tue Mar 12 06:22:10 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:22:10 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Bushings
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20130312132046.02d84008@mail.vortexsoest.nl>


From palte at gmx.net  Tue Mar 12 06:23:25 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:23:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages....
Message-ID: <trinity-c14f8f47-e1dd-417a-bbeb-8667290d25b0-1363091005209@3capp-gmx-bs46>


From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Mar 12 14:03:02 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:03:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages....
In-Reply-To: <trinity-c14f8f47-e1dd-417a-bbeb-8667290d25b0-1363091005209@3capp-gmx-bs46>
References: <trinity-c14f8f47-e1dd-417a-bbeb-8667290d25b0-1363091005209@3capp-gmx-bs46>
Message-ID: <513F89F6.7030905@ktc.com>

Hmmmm, works for me.  Is your regular Email working?

CR
On 3/12/2013 7:23 AM, Bert Palte wrote:
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>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Mar 12 14:09:00 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:09:00 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages....
In-Reply-To: <trinity-c14f8f47-e1dd-417a-bbeb-8667290d25b0-1363091005209@3capp-gmx-bs46>
References: <trinity-c14f8f47-e1dd-417a-bbeb-8667290d25b0-1363091005209@3capp-gmx-bs46>
Message-ID: <513F8B5C.7020408@bradakis.com>

Your email program is sending out poorly formatted HTML, the HTML to text
filter can't decipher it.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Mar 12 23:12:24 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:12:24 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Forums
Message-ID: <51400AB8.6050603@bradakis.com>

I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link
below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up.

mjb.

From otis15 at aol.com  Thu Mar 14 18:37:41 2013
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:37:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] test
Message-ID: <8CFEF2C6F89D63A-1FB0-1F5E8@webmail-d163.sysops.aol.com>

Test

otis15 at aol.com

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 14 20:19:22 2013
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:19:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale
Message-ID: <64C5D094AD3549B38B49AD1A3038917F@HomePC>

I have a brand new Weber 42 DCOE sidedraft carb for sale. My plans have
changed and I no longer have the car I was going to put it on.

Asking $275 OBO.

Larry Daniels

From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 15:50:24 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight
Message-ID: <ti960rt6lp764hmg3b0aarne.1363384224007@email.android.com>

Hello Friends,

I'm about to buy a hoist for my garage but I don't want to buy one much bigger than I will ever need. B This leads me to ask the weight of an XPAG engine with gearbox attached, but otherwise stripped as per the workshop manual. B 

Please advise if you know the weight, or have a good estimate. B Thank you.

-rick, in Houston.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry.

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Fri Mar 15 16:39:04 2013
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight
In-Reply-To: <ti960rt6lp764hmg3b0aarne.1363384224007@email.android.com>
References: <ti960rt6lp764hmg3b0aarne.1363384224007@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <9E145D77E10D4EE191FEC4A2D21FF460@YOURF3E40984A8>

Hello Rick,

My advice, which might be worth 2p on a good day, is to purchase a unit with
much more capacity than you think you might need. The difference in cost
won't be that much and you will have a greater safety margin and increased
capability. My reasoning is that it's better to have and not need than to
need and not have.

Good luck,

David


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rick Lindsay
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:50 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight

Hello Friends,

I'm about to buy a hoist for my garage but I don't want to buy one much
bigger than I will ever need. B This leads me to ask the weight of an XPAG
engine with gearbox attached, but otherwise stripped as per the workshop
manual. B 

Please advise if you know the weight, or have a good estimate. B Thank you.

-rick, in Houston.

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri Mar 15 18:12:23 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:12:23 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight
Message-ID: <20130315.201223.31287.0@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com>

Rick,   Engine and gearbox have been thought to weigh approx 450, though
someone recently weighed the assembly and found it somewhat less.   500 lbs
capacity is the smallest chain hoist I have seen. It would do the job and
could be handy for picking up the lawn mower for its maintenance, unless you
move north, in which case it could pick up the snow blower for maintenance
also.   Engine lifting cranes are much easier to use. HF is currently offering
a folding one at $180, and its levelling device for $35.  Might someone in
your club have one you could borrow?Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net, mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500

Hello Friends,

I'm about to buy a hoist for my garage but I don't want to buy one much bigger
than I will ever need. B This leads me to ask the weight of an XPAG engine
with gearbox attached, but otherwise stripped as per the workshop manual. B

Please advise if you know the weight, or have a good estimate. B Thank you.

-rick, in Houston.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just
like a BlackBerry.
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sat Mar 16 03:54:23 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:54:23 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight
References: <ti960rt6lp764hmg3b0aarne.1363384224007@email.android.com>
	<9E145D77E10D4EE191FEC4A2D21FF460@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <A2131231A3F749F1B125E693B040E9F1@paul>

Didn't see the question but if this is a trolley hoist and not a roof hoist 
I'd also advise comparing the width and height of the legs of the hoist with 
your front suspension, a pal has had to put his front wheels on blocks so 
the legs would fit under the spring pans.  Also check the extension of the 
boom, when getting the engine out of a rubber bumper B I had to go in from 
the side as even at full extent the hoist hit the front of the car before 
the hook was over the middle of the engine.  That entailed dragging the 
whole lot sideways, against the run of the wheels of course, to get the 
engine on and off the gearbox shaft.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> My advice, which might be worth 2p on a good day, is to purchase a unit 
> with
> much more capacity than you think you might need.... 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 16 11:04:17 2013
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Test
Message-ID: <CCE053E6DA5647439988C5588332D33C@HomePC>


From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 16 11:09:45 2013
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:09:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale
Message-ID: <3DBE95B93BF2409BBB2337662FCE68E6@HomePC>

I have a brand new Weber 42 DCOE sidedraft carb for sale. My plans have
changed and I no longer have the car I was going to put it on.

Asking $275 OBO.

From mvheim at sonic.net  Sat Mar 16 17:12:59 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:12:59 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
Message-ID: <CD6A4A8B.445AA%mvheim@sonic.net>

Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"

I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."

But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 18:31:37 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:31:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
Message-ID: <CAD9ek=5VcSJuELuR2gx2uHPXNpPheBkO97Pyd71WEsu9eUZ+GA@mail.gmail.com>

I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He
was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that
everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got
him to leave.

It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on
the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car.
 On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"

I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."

But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 18:48:37 2013
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 0:48:37 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
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Message-ID: <20130317004838.UNAJW.28665.root@cdptpa-web02-z01>

I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car, yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying"  I've had this one around 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter.  And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king. Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel
-
--- Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He
> was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that
> everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got
> him to leave.
> 
> It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on
> the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car.
>  On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"
> 
> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."
> 
> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Sat Mar 16 18:48:46 2013
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
Message-ID: <20130317004846.VQVHY.28667.root@cdptpa-web02-z01>

I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car, yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying"  I've had this one around 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter.  And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king. Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel
-
--- Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He
> was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that
> everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got
> him to leave.
> 
> It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on
> the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car.
>  On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"
> 
> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."
> 
> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 19:18:20 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Back in the club
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dyY4MLXKKyqAMOQ5CNBwE_AUtkqy=nSm12hMvbO=wyegw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

A couple of weeks ago I wrote the the MGS List asking if anyone was
interested in trading a T-Series car for my '69 Silver Shadow.  Truth
is, I wanted a T-Series but didn't really want to get rid of my R-R.
At the time I was thinking of a restored T-Series for my restored
Silver Shadow.  Esteemed MGS Listmember, Mr. Bill Schooler, wrote to
me offering an alternative.  Bill stated that he has two '53 MG TDs
ready for restoration, one LHD and one RHD - and both cars are for
sale!

I live in Houston where driving is a death sport, so a RHD car,
however special, is just not ideal.  The RHD car is still available.
And in that statement is an easy clue.  I have bought the LHD car from
Bill.  I am once again, a proud MG owner.  The car I bought from Bill
is complete and mostly original - exactly the way I like my projects
to start.

As time goes on, I hope to share with you, stories and pictures of the
restoration of this car.  And since Bill has a RHD '53 MG TD for sale,
I encourage someone here to buy it and undertake a parallel
restoration effort!

With happiness to be back in the club,

Rick Lindsay, Houston, TX
PS: It is rumored that Bill may have an MGA for sale too!

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Mar 17 19:34:44 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:34:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Back in the club
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyY4MLXKKyqAMOQ5CNBwE_AUtkqy=nSm12hMvbO=wyegw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyY4MLXKKyqAMOQ5CNBwE_AUtkqy=nSm12hMvbO=wyegw@mail.gmail.com>
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Very nice.

As a reminder the email lists do not allow pictures, but the forums [ 
link below ]
do allow them.  Keep us posted, one way or another.

mjb.

From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 19:37:15 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:37:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t]  Back in the club
Message-ID: <lg16skfowgj6j9bm9lpjfr58.1363570635066@email.android.com>

Thank you Mark. B A few years ago I bought a domain and disk space where I store photos to share. B I look forward to sharing AND learning.

-rick


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry.

-------- Original message --------
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
Date: 03/17/2013  8:34 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: mgs at autox.team.net,mg-t at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Back in the club 
 
Very nice.

As a reminder the email lists do not allow pictures, but the forums [ 
link below ]
do allow them.B  Keep us posted, one way or another.

mjb.
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 18 04:58:50 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 03:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Back in the club
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Good deal, Rick, congrats!

Dan D
Central NJ USA
________________________________
 From: Richard Lindsay
<richardolindsay at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net 
Sent:
Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:18 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Back in the club
 
Hello
Friends,

A couple of weeks ago I wrote the the MGS List asking if anyone was
interested in trading a T-Series car for my '69 Silver Shadow.  Truth
is, I
wanted a T-Series but didn't really want to get rid of my R-R.
At the time I
was thinking of a restored T-Series for my restored
Silver Shadow.  Esteemed
MGS Listmember, Mr. Bill Schooler, wrote to
me offering an alternative.  Bill
stated that he has two '53 MG TDs
ready for restoration, one LHD and one RHD -
and both cars are for
sale!

I live in Houston where driving is a death sport,
so a RHD car,
however special, is just not ideal.  The RHD car is still
available.
And in that statement is an easy clue.  I have bought the LHD car
from
Bill.  I am once again, a proud MG owner.  The car I bought from Bill
is
complete and mostly original - exactly the way I like my projects
to start.
As time goes on, I hope to share with you, stories and pictures of the
restoration of this car.  And since Bill has a RHD '53 MG TD for sale,
I
encourage someone here to buy it and undertake a parallel
restoration effort!
With happiness to be back in the club,

Rick Lindsay, Houston, TX
PS: It is
rumored that Bill may have an MGA for sale too!
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From dontoy at comcast.net  Mon Mar 18 10:58:31 2013
From: dontoy at comcast.net (dontoy at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
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Message-ID: <1644227404.763106.1363625911105.JavaMail.root@sz0052a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

My father drove my TF home from Pittsburgh in 1971 for $1750. The TF was the thing that bonded my father and I. He golfed and played cards. I never did get bit by the golf bug. We sure did enjoy our wrench turning sessions in the garage. I can't imagine any circumstances that would cause me to sell the MG, his spirit lives there. It lives in all the bodges that I still work to undo, it lives in the Moss red vinyl interior he installed. People used to inquire about me selling. No one has for years. I think they can tell. Might have something to do with the shit eating grin I'm sporting while behind the wheel. 


Donald J. Toy 
"all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" 

From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Mar 18 11:26:02 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
In-Reply-To: <20130317004846.VQVHY.28667.root@cdptpa-web02-z01>
Message-ID: <CD6C9C3A.4463D%mvheim@sonic.net>

Maybe I should have included a little context.

Back when my MG actually looked nice, yeah, I was flattered when people
wanted to buy it. Probably some of them were sincere. But I really suspect
they would have backed off after closer inspection.

But now that it's in primer (mostly), with rust bubbles and a bashed-up
front end, I figure that any unsolicited offers coming from persons that
don't even know what kind of car it is are not to be taken seriously.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/16/13 5:48 PM, melfrankus at carolina.rr.com at melfrankus at carolina.rr.com
wrote:

> I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car,
> yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying"  I've had this one around
> 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter.
> And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king.
> Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel
> -
> --- Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He
>> was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that
>> everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got
>> him to leave.
>> 
>> It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on
>> the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car.
>>  On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
>> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
>> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"
>> 
>> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."
>> 
>> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
>> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
>> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Mon Mar 18 16:56:57 2013
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
In-Reply-To: <1644227404.763106.1363625911105.JavaMail.root@sz0052a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20130318225657.C3SNX.85865.root@cdptpa-web14-z01>

Well said dontoy. I admire and respect your response.  Sadly, my dad was more about bonding over lawn maintainance.  My children have no interest in cars except as transportation.  Our youngest is 31 and never cared to learn how to drive a straight shift.  Still, I've had old British cars since HS and 50 years later they are still a special treat to own and drive....Mel
----

 dontoy at comcast.net wrote: 
> My father drove my TF home from Pittsburgh in 1971 for $1750. The TF was the thing that bonded my father and I. He golfed and played cards. I never did get bit by the golf bug. We sure did enjoy our wrench turning sessions in the garage. I can't imagine any circumstances that would cause me to sell the MG, his spirit lives there. It lives in all the bodges that I still work to undo, it lives in the Moss red vinyl interior he installed. People used to inquire about me selling. No one has for years. I think they can tell. Might have something to do with the shit eating grin I'm sporting while behind the wheel. 
> 
> 
> Donald J. Toy 
> "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" 
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From wkilleffer at epbfi.com  Tue Mar 19 19:53:26 2013
From: wkilleffer at epbfi.com (William Killeffer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:53:26 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
Message-ID: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>

Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the
starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could
still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area
nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged
on with a hammer or anything like that.

The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this
happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v
rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean
area of the body.

I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get
it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance
away.

My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a
current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring
amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the
starter.

I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and
he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no
response from the starter.

Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when
he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is
attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the
starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was
pulled.

Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue,
especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years
old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under
warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said
that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun
dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...

Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other
issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,

From awhitema at panix.com  Tue Mar 19 19:59:48 2013
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:59:48 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
In-Reply-To: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <23EA82FC-F3CC-4052-A9D7-4288B406877C@panix.com>

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, William Killeffer <wkilleffer at epbfi.com> wrote:

>  Dad said
> that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much
fun
> dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...

Having pulled a starter last fall, I can tell you with absolute certainty: the
starter is trivial to drop.

Disconnect the battery, then take all the wiring off the solenoid terminal(s),
then remove the two bolts that attach it to the engine using a ratchet and
some long extensions. You should be able to pull it past the dizzy and up out
through the engine bay.

--

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 19 20:32:57 2013
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
In-Reply-To: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA6813138B@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>

Still sounds like a bad connection. If it was me, I would have cleaned the
battery terminal connections first, as well as battery ground connection. But
just as likely is the other end of the connection from battery terminal to
starter. Remove that connection on the starter, clean, and tighten - but be
careful to not over tighten. I used to have problems with that connection on
my 71 BGT that served as my daily driver for a 52 mile commute (each way) to
work many years ago.

David Councill


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of William Killeffer
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:53 PM
To: Mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue

Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the
starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could
still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area
nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged
on with a hammer or anything like that.

The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this
happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v
rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean
area of the body.

I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get
it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance
away.

My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a
current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring
amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the
starter.

I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and
he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no
response from the starter.

Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when
he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is
attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the
starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was
pulled.

Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue,
especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years
old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under
warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said
that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun
dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...

Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other
issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 21:15:20 2013
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:15:20 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
In-Reply-To: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA6813138B@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
	<E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA6813138B@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <CACOF-To9hxQKBgh6C599fm=dJ0mA+aejXK-bwpTfaLxvgNH-aQ@mail.gmail.com>

One long shot and two real posibilities
Long shot first, you checked the battery to chassis ground, what about the
engine to chassis ground strap?  Choke cables will provide enough ground to
run the engine, but not the starter.  Check the ground cable.  If that is
OK, the other two possibilities are:
You either have a solenoid issue or a starter issue.
The solenoid acts like a giant switch to switch the high amps from the
battery to the starter.
Here is how you test it.
Take a volt meter set it to a scale that will read 12V.  Place the red lead
on Positive battery cable from the battery.  Place the black lead on the
input to the starter from the solenoid.  Have someone turn the key to start
and hold it there.  Read the meter.
If the meter reads exactly 0V the starter it probably toast (more on this
in a minute)
If the meter reads 0.1V to about 0.3V The solenoid is working and the issue
is the starter.
If the meter reads from about 0.7V to battery voltage, the solenoid is
toast.*

Next put the red lead on the the input from the solenoid to the starter and
the black lead on a good engine ground.
Again have someone turn and hold the key in the start position.   Read the
meter
If the meter reads:
0V indicates either no voltage is reaching the starter or the starter is
open circuit.
above about 0.7V a starter issue.*

*Industry specs for these components is no more than .2V drop, but these
are old cars and frankly can put up with more of a voltage drop than a
modern car.  A 0.5V drop in a solenoid or a starter won't keep a B from
starting,so I have adjusted for this in my recommendations.
Good luck


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of William Killeffer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:53 PM
> To: Mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
>
> I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter,
> and
> he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no
> response from the starter.
>
> Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected
> when
> he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is
> attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the
> starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was
> pulled.
>
> Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue,
> especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four
> years
> old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under
> warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said
> that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much
> fun
> dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...
>
> Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about
> other
> issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and
> suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Mar 20 00:34:35 2013
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
In-Reply-To: <23EA82FC-F3CC-4052-A9D7-4288B406877C@panix.com>
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
	<23EA82FC-F3CC-4052-A9D7-4288B406877C@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000801ce2534$fd3af670$f7b0e350$@planet.nl>

I had the same thing. Proved to be, that the thread on the solenoid had gone
and the wires were not tightly connected anymore. 
So check the wiring at the starter.

Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens
Aaron Whiteman
Verzonden: woensdag 20 maart 2013 3:00
Aan: William Killeffer
CC: Mgs at autox.team.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, William Killeffer <wkilleffer at epbfi.com> wrote:

>  Dad said
> that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how 
> much
fun
> dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...

Having pulled a starter last fall, I can tell you with absolute certainty:
the starter is trivial to drop.

Disconnect the battery, then take all the wiring off the solenoid
terminal(s), then remove the two bolts that attach it to the engine using a
ratchet and some long extensions. You should be able to pull it past the
dizzy and up out through the engine bay.


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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Mar 20 03:26:54 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:54 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <5283477F0B1147808E0167EE0A72C489@paul>

Before pulling the starter you need to check the connections.

When you turn the key and get the click, do the lights dim?  If they go 
right out then the starter is trying to pull current and the problem is in 
the battery earth strap or the 12v connection through to the solenoid stud, 
a voltmeter will tell you where the problem is.

If the lights don't go out the starter isn't trying to pull any current.  It 
could be the gearbox earth strap, again a voltmeter will show the problem 
when connected between a brown at the fusebox and a good engine earth, by 
the voltage dropping right down when the key is turned.  However there are 
usually enough alternative paths via the heater, accelerator and choke 
cables to at least allow the starter to turn the engine, together with said 
cables smoking.

If no volt drops anywhere when the key is turned then either the solenoid 
isn't passing the voltage to the motor, or the motor brushes are worn.  I 
don't think I have ever come across the latter, but the former is not 
uncommon.  It can often be fixed by removing the copper link in the solenoid 
and cleaning it and its mating contacts up.

The final possibility is a seized starter, but very unlikely, and seems to 
be excluded by the reading on your inductive ammeter.

PaulH.



----- Original Message ----- 
> Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the
> starter had gotten stuck 

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar 20 06:21:19 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer
In-Reply-To: <CD6A4A8B.445AA%mvheim@sonic.net>
References: <CD6A4A8B.445AA%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5149A9BF.9070802@ktc.com>

Funny this should come up now.  I've been thinking of selling my '69 B 
roadster.  I don't drive it much and my poor old aching back doesn't 
like my pushing the clutch pedal time after time.  Kind of on the fence 
about it.  I know that when I sold my '70 B years ago, I started missing 
it as soon as the buyer drove it away.   What to do........

CR
On 3/16/2013 6:12 PM, Max Heim wrote:
> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"
>
> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."
>
> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar 20 06:33:34 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:33:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue
In-Reply-To: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
References: <F6D10EB4-C682-473D-90DC-16F5BAFF852A@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <5149AC9E.8040808@ktc.com>

The Autozone people can look up your starter purchase on their computer 
network.  If you bought the Duralast starter you're entitled to a new 
starter.  Pull it off the engine and take it to the AZ store.  No muss, 
no fuss. :-)

CR
On 3/19/2013 8:53 PM, William Killeffer wrote:
> Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the
> starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could
> still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area
> nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged
> on with a hammer or anything like that.
>
> The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this
> happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v
> rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean
> area of the body.
>
> I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get
> it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance
> away.
>
> My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a
> current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring
> amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the
> starter.
>
> I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and
> he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no
> response from the starter.
>
> Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when
> he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is
> attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the
> starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was
> pulled.
>
> Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue,
> especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years
> old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under
> warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said
> that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun
> dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference...
>
> Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other
> issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and
> suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> _______________________________________________
>
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Mar 20 10:47:17 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort]
In-Reply-To: <5149A9BF.9070802@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <CD6F3625.4475E%mvheim@sonic.net>

Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be possible
to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. One way
would be reducing the diameter of the master cylinder (that is, finding a
substitute with a different diameter). Another would be changing the
leverage of the clutch pedal (moving the fulcrum or lengthening the arm).
Not that these would be trivial projects, but if someone came up with a
working solution it might help a lot of people.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/20/13 5:21 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins at ktc.com wrote:

> Funny this should come up now.  I've been thinking of selling my '69 B
> roadster.  I don't drive it much and my poor old aching back doesn't
> like my pushing the clutch pedal time after time.  Kind of on the fence
> about it.  I know that when I sold my '70 B years ago, I started missing
> it as soon as the buyer drove it away.   What to do........
> 
> CR
> On 3/16/2013 6:12 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my
>> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window
>> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?"
>> 
>> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..."
>> 
>> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for
>> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell
>> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 20 20:36:09 2013
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <C42CF78FB24A49A2AD50CE69042043AE@blackbox2>
References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com>
	<C42CF78FB24A49A2AD50CE69042043AE@blackbox2>
Message-ID: <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC>

For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these 
lists as well as quite a few others.  He supplies all of the equipment and 
maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going.  In recognition of 
that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we 
annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense.  If 
you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you 
feel you can afford.

Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling.  If 
any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would 
appreciate it.  I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as 
well.

If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those 
lists so they can do something as well.  Mark, it may be easiest if you just 
forward this to all of your lists?

The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the 
lists.

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html


Thanks,

Larry Daniels


-----Original Message----- 
From: Dean Hedin
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM
To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks!

Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber.



-----Original Message-----
From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM
To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks!

Well, shucks.  I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this
morning.
Oh, well.  But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean!  If anyone sent a
check it will likely be a few days before I see it.

Thanks again,

mjb.
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From wkilleffer at epbfi.com  Wed Mar 20 21:54:08 2013
From: wkilleffer at epbfi.com (William Killeffer)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:54:08 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question
Message-ID: <248BB88D-A8E1-420E-BACA-01BB789DD619@epbfi.com>

Something I forgot to mention or ask about in my last post about the starter
on my 1974 MGB:

What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for activating the
starter solenoid?

The reason I ask is that its connection is a pretty weak link on my car. Just
from a visual inspection, the spade connector at the end that fastens to the
starter is insecurely attached, and appears to be pretty dirty. I have not
tested its voltage or anything like that.

Thank you,

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar 21 02:42:17 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:42:17 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort]
References: <CD6F3625.4475E%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <B843BCADDCF64CD58CE63D68CFB7E3BF@paul>

Certainly you can, and reduce the travel of the release bearing at the same 
time.  But you would have to ensure that the travel was still enough to 
fully release the friction plate or you would have difficulty selecting 
gears, and it would put the biting point closer to the floor.  The ratio of 
master diameter to slave diameter is what it is for a reason.

PaulH


----- Original Message ----- 
> Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be 
> possible
> to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar 21 03:04:40 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:04:40 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question
References: <248BB88D-A8E1-420E-BACA-01BB789DD619@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <B0AC8EC6920D4F629C97FB3A8C411B54@paul>

Yes.

----- Original Message ----- 
> What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for activating 
> the
> starter solenoid?

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar 21 03:17:45 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:17:45 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort]
References: <CD6F3625.4475E%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <01E6E4E7BC664EF098F85A7AB9378B56@paul>

PS.  You could reduce the distance between the pedal fulcrum and the 
push-rod to increase the leverage, but to get the same travel of the release 
bearing you would need more travel of the pedal, i.e. at rest the clutch pad 
would be higher than the brake pad, which would probably need a modification 
to the area around the pedal to allow that to happen.  My 2004 ZS 180 is 
like that, and someone came up with a modification to level the two pads for 
some reason.  No idea why, with left foot clutch and right foot accelerator 
and brake one's feet soon 'learn' the heights of each pedal, and reducing 
the travel would make the clutch heavier (assuming they retained the same 
travel at the clutch itself).

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be 
> possible
> to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar 21 03:27:02 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:27:02 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question
References: <248BB88D-A8E1-420E-BACA-01BB789DD619@epbfi.com>
	<B0AC8EC6920D4F629C97FB3A8C411B54@paul>
	<3D695D43-46C3-400E-8331-089AF3180464@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <D8E3418298DF4BFC84977634AE2159E5@paul>

It could be, but if you can hear the click of the solenoid operating then 
no.  However a 74 has a starter relay which clicks as well, albeit a lot 
quieter than the solenoid, so you need to be sure which you can hear.  If 
it's the solenoid then the problem is as described earlier i.e. it is either 
the solenoid contacts or the motor itself.  Some starters have a copper link 
between the two which allows you to test with a meter for voltage, no 
voltage means it is the solenoid, 12v means it is the motor.

If it is the relay you can hear then it could be that connection, but it 
could also be the relay contacts, solenoid winding, or any of the other 
connections around them, you would need to test at various points with a 
voltmeter.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

So, if its connection is dodgy, could it be possible that the solenoid is 
not getting fully activated, causing a no-start condition?

On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:04 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:

> Yes.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for 
>> activating the
>> starter solenoid?

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Mar 21 10:19:51 2013
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC>
References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com>
	<C42CF78FB24A49A2AD50CE69042043AE@blackbox2>
	<5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC>
Message-ID: <514B3327.4090401@wi.net>

Thanks for the reminder Larry, I just sent my contribution.  Win-win for 
all.

Dave W.



On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:
> For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these
> lists as well as quite a few others.  He supplies all of the equipment and
> maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going.  In recognition of
> that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we
> annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense.  If
> you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you
> feel you can afford.
>
> Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling.  If
> any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would
> appreciate it.  I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as
> well.
>
> If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those
> lists so they can do something as well.  Mark, it may be easiest if you just
> forward this to all of your lists?
>
> The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the
> lists.
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Daniels
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Hedin
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM
> To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>
> Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM
> To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>
> Well, shucks.  I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this
> morning.
> Oh, well.  But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean!  If anyone sent a
> check it will likely be a few days before I see it.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> mjb.
> ------------------------

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Mar 21 10:20:20 2013
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:20:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC>
References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com>
	<C42CF78FB24A49A2AD50CE69042043AE@blackbox2>
	<5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC>
Message-ID: <514B3344.40603@wi.net>

On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:
> For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these
> lists as well as quite a few others.  He supplies all of the equipment and
> maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going.  In recognition of
> that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we
> annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense.  If
> you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you
> feel you can afford.
>
> Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling.  If
> any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would
> appreciate it.  I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as
> well.
>
> If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those
> lists so they can do something as well.  Mark, it may be easiest if you just
> forward this to all of your lists?
>
> The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the
> lists.
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Daniels
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Hedin
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM
> To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>
> Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM
> To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>
> Well, shucks.  I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this
> morning.
> Oh, well.  But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean!  If anyone sent a
> check it will likely be a few days before I see it.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> mjb.
> ------------------------
>
> spridgets at autox.team.net
>
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Mar 21 10:23:28 2013
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <514B3344.40603@wi.net>
References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com>
	<C42CF78FB24A49A2AD50CE69042043AE@blackbox2>
	<5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC> <514B3344.40603@wi.net>
Message-ID: <514B3400.4090703@wi.net>

Apologize for the repeat...hit the wrong box.  :-(


On 3/21/2013 11:20 AM, dwoerpel wrote:
> On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:
>> For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these
>> lists as well as quite a few others.  He supplies all of the 
>> equipment and
>> maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going.  In recognition of
>> that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for 
>> us, we
>> annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that 
>> expense.  If
>> you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in 
>> whatever you
>> feel you can afford.
>>
>> Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am 
>> selling.  If
>> any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure 
>> he would
>> appreciate it.  I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as
>> well.
>>
>> If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this 
>> to those
>> lists so they can do something as well.  Mark, it may be easiest if 
>> you just
>> forward this to all of your lists?
>>
>> The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out 
>> to the
>> lists.
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Larry Daniels
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Hedin
>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM
>> To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>>
>> Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE 
>> Weber.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM
>> To: Spridgets at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks!
>>
>> Well, shucks.  I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this
>> morning.
>> Oh, well.  But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean!  If anyone 
>> sent a
>> check it will likely be a few days before I see it.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> mjb.
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From mvheim at sonic.net  Thu Mar 21 10:22:10 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:22:10 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort]
In-Reply-To: <B843BCADDCF64CD58CE63D68CFB7E3BF@paul>
Message-ID: <CD7081C2.447EB%mvheim@sonic.net>

I realize that reducing the diameter of the cylinder would also require
increasing the length of the stroke. I did not feel that it was necessary to
explain this to a technical audience.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/21/13 1:42 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com wrote:

> Certainly you can, and reduce the travel of the release bearing at the same
> time.  But you would have to ensure that the travel was still enough to
> fully release the friction plate or you would have difficulty selecting
> gears, and it would put the biting point closer to the floor.  The ratio of
> master diameter to slave diameter is what it is for a reason.
> 
> PaulH
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be
>> possible
>> to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal.

From palte at gmx.net  Thu Mar 21 12:55:20 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:55:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Effort / Improvement Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5149A9BF.9070802@ktc.com>
References: <CD6A4A8B.445AA%mvheim@sonic.net>,
  <5149A9BF.9070802@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-2186ad96-5354-4e38-9a32-10ee4770ef54-1363892119947@3capp-gmx-bs14>


From palte at gmx.net  Thu Mar 21 12:58:59 2013
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:58:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Effort / Improvement Suggestions
Message-ID: <trinity-edc35edd-fc64-4a8c-bb11-f76285a5cbe3-1363892339051@3capp-gmx-bs14>


From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 21 14:06:00 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Effort / Improvement Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <trinity-edc35edd-fc64-4a8c-bb11-f76285a5cbe3-1363892339051@3capp-gmx-bs14>
References: <trinity-edc35edd-fc64-4a8c-bb11-f76285a5cbe3-1363892339051@3capp-gmx-bs14>
Message-ID: <1363896360.37860.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Bert, my suggestion would be to type some words into your message..... ;-)
Dan D
Central NJ USA




________________________________
 From: Bert Palte
<palte at gmx.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Effort / Improvement Suggestions
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Mar 22 03:00:44 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:00:44 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch effort
References: <CD7081C2.447EB%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <399327F2743A4DBEBF00055A972F6F20@paul>

Don't take it personally.  It's not that long ago that a suggestion to jack 
the engine under the sump (to change the engine mounts) brought a response 
that unless you use a piece of timber to spread the load the sump will 
buckle - well, yes!  If that was considered to be the level of technical 
experience at that time who am I to assume it should be any different now. 
The audience here ranges from people with 50 years or more experience to 
complete beginners, and replies to posts are addressed to all, not just the 
original poster.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I realize that reducing the diameter of the cylinder would also require
> increasing the length of the stroke. I did not feel that it was necessary 
> to
> explain this to a technical audience.

From don at napanet.net  Fri Mar 22 15:39:21 2013
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:39:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube
Message-ID: <mailman.1832.1363988488.7392.mgs@autox.team.net>

Though MGs are not featured, the driving dogs do use British cars 
when out for a cruise.  I think it's pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRN_L3nTlLQ

drivingdogs.co.nz

---------------------------------------------

Don Scott,  Calistoga
1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars  

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Fri Mar 22 16:09:41 2013
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:09:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1832.1363988488.7392.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1832.1363988488.7392.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <FCCF580639BB4A9B9C66A89B9378E2BE@YOURF3E40984A8>

I want to see his d. license. Also, a real dog would have had his head
hanging out the window!

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:39 PM
To: mgs-autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube

Though MGs are not featured, the driving dogs do use British cars 
when out for a cruise.  I think it's pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRN_L3nTlLQ

drivingdogs.co.nz

---------------------------------------------

Don Scott,  Calistoga
1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese
cars  

From awhitema at panix.com  Sat Mar 23 19:28:01 2013
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:28:01 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] heater fan and wiper motor current draw?
Message-ID: <937E1E5E-AF37-4793-AFDF-381EA334A10C@panix.com>

I'm planning on migrating my '75 away from the original wiring design for the
heater fan and wiper motor to a setup that is relay based. I know the normal
done thing is to tap the purple circuit for that, but I already have a spare
pair of slots available and plan on dedicated circuits for each (with purple
wires, of course).

I've got the relays, but I don't know what an appropriate size fuse and/or
wire would be.

Anybody know what these devices draw in normal use? More importantly, any
clues as to the startup draw?

I am thinking individual 15A fuses and 14AWG wiring should be more than
adequate, but would like to confirm before I go forward.

--
Aaron

From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 10:11:17 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Its on its way!
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dx92i01bd4fCcpbuJZ-aHmRDhvPC4oi9wuJwaZALEcXPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

With excitement I write; The '53 MG TD I have just purchased from
list-member Mr. Bill Schooler, is on its way to Houston!  Delivery is
expected in about six days.

Right now I don't have write access to my website because of FTP rule
changes.  But as soon as that issue is resolved, I'll upload pictures
and share the links with you.

Happy to be an MG owner again,

-rick

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 24 14:05:45 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Its on its way!
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dx92i01bd4fCcpbuJZ-aHmRDhvPC4oi9wuJwaZALEcXPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dx92i01bd4fCcpbuJZ-aHmRDhvPC4oi9wuJwaZALEcXPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96F8FC01-5615-4BC1-9ACB-2870F86B03E6@yahoo.com>

Good deal, Rick, looking forward to seeing pics as the project progresses!

Sent from Dan's iPad Mini

On Mar 24, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Friends,
>
> With excitement I write; The '53 MG TD I have just purchased from
> list-member Mr. Bill Schooler, is on its way to Houston!  Delivery is
> expected in about six days.
>
> Right now I don't have write access to my website because of FTP rule
> changes.  But as soon as that issue is resolved, I'll upload pictures
> and share the links with you.
>
> Happy to be an MG owner again,
>
> -rick
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From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 16:55:59 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:55:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,

I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is
required.  And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures!  Please
enjoy.

The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to
give proper photo credit).

The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of
the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase.

The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the
pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the
transporter.  That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool
hat!  The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers.

Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD

-rick

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 24 18:55:45 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B62C3E87-E3EE-47BC-899F-DA402E17852A@yahoo.com>

Very complete car, looks like a great project base... So what is the plan?

Sent from Dan's iPad Mini

On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is
> required.  And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures!  Please
> enjoy.
>
> The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to
> give proper photo credit).
>
> The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of
> the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase.
>
> The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the
> pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the
> transporter.  That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool
> hat!  The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers.
>
> Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD
>
> -rick
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From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Sun Mar 24 21:26:32 2013
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:32 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C48DF9E-D19B-41BF-97C3-0DD9C6CD4E54@trebelhorn.com>

So what's the story behind the license plate?

The car looks good -- looking forward to watching your work on it.
Matt


On 24 Mar, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is
> required.  And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures!  Please
> enjoy.
>
> The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to
> give proper photo credit).
>
> The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of
> the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase.
>
> The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the
> pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the
> transporter.  That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool
> hat!  The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers.
>
> Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD
>
> -rick
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From wkilleffer at epbfi.com  Sun Mar 24 21:28:33 2013
From: wkilleffer at epbfi.com (William Killeffer)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:28:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question
Message-ID: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com>

You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. I
decided to drop the starter and get a closer look at everything. While the
starter was off the car, I gave all the wiring fastened to it a good cleaning.
Then, I cleaned the ground strap area under the hood, and cleaned everything
associated with the battery terminals. A test at Autozone determined that the
starter was locked up, so I put a new warranted starter in this afternoon. It
spins up nicely and sounds like it turns faster than any previous starter that
I have had on the car.

Now, I know questions about the lights get asked all the time, but I want to
make sure I do not miss anything. A few years ago, I added relays into the
headlamp and hi-beam circuits, and all seemed well until about last November,
when the starter began to act up.

When I turn the headlamps on, the headlamps themselves come on, but no other
lights do. No marker lights nor tail-lights. The brake lights still work, as
do the turn signals.

I am trying to remember where to check the voltage for the tail-lights at the
fuse box, and how to check if power is making it back to the tail-light
assemblies.

This sort of thing is most frustrating cause I cannot think of any good reason
for the lights to stop working. They just stopped.

Thank you,

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Mar 25 03:20:33 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:20:33 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] heater fan and wiper motor current draw?
References: <937E1E5E-AF37-4793-AFDF-381EA334A10C@panix.com>
Message-ID: <13A0D3403B59454393E07221A1EF7188@paul>

I take it you will only use the purple circuit to feed through the relay 
contacts, and not to operate the relay as well, as that would mean the fan 
could still be running while the car is parked.

The purple circuit is already fused, so you won't need another fuse .  The 
fuses in an MGB are designed to protect the wiring and the standard rating 
of 17amps, 35 amp blow is all you need, that rating is used in the green 
circuit that supplies the fan from the factory, as well as the purple 
circuit.

FWIW the fan takes a surprisingly high current considering what air movement 
it results in.  An ammeter will tell you that, and a resistance measurement 
of the fan motor when stopped together with Ohms Law will tell you the 
instantaneous current.  But as far as typical automotive fuses go that can 
be ignored.

Can't see any reason to use other than the same gauge of wire as used in the 
majority of the rest of the wiring.  With the relatively small amount of 
wiring in the MGB compared to a modern car having different grades of wire 
according to the load, and consequently different ratings of fuse to protect 
them, only means you will have to carry multiple ratings as spares.  Keep it 
simple, and the two spares in the fusebox lid can be used for anything else 
you add.

You say 'relays', but there is only any point in using a relay in the 
circuit for the 'high' speed.  The 'low' speed is obtained by putting a 
resistance in series with the motor, and any additional resistances in the 
original wiring will have a negligible difference on the resulting fan 
speed.  Leave the low speed as it is, and use a single relay operated from 
the fast speed contact of the switch to power the motor bypassing the heater 
box resistance.

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
> Anybody know what these devices draw in normal use? More importantly, any
> clues as to the startup draw?

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Mar 25 03:29:02 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:29:02 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question
References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <333E917B95F44531A46BA8C195093B22@paul>

"A test at Autozone determined that the starter was locked up,"

FWIW, that doesn't agree with your test earlier that showed a very low 
current when the starter was energised.  Unless by 'locked up' they mean 
'isn't working'.  'Locked up' to me is a mechanical problem where the 
current is trying to turn the motor but is physically prevented from doing 
so.  That would result in a very high current.

On an American 74 the side marker lights come on with the parking lights. 
Do you have any instrument lights?  If they've stopped working as well then 
it's probably the main lighting switch or the red/green wire fallen off it.

If the instrument lights still work then check the top two fuses in the fuse 
box.  There should be the same red/green wire feeding the front of one of 
those, and that should have 12v on it with the main lighting switch in the 
parking light position.  Current then goes through the top two fuses (there 
is a link between the fronts of those two) to red wires at the back, one 
wire to each corner, one fuse per side.

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 

> You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. 

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Mon Mar 25 05:38:37 2013
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:38:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question
In-Reply-To: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com>
References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com>
Message-ID: <011c01ce294d$4aad3910$e007ab30$@com>

I'd check grounds first. The tail lights and fuel pump ground at one point
inside boot right behind the number plate. By the way, a bad ground there
can eat fuel pumps.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
N4IK
-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of William Killeffer
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:29 PM
To: Mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question

You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. I
decided to drop the starter and get a closer look at everything. While the
starter was off the car, I gave all the wiring fastened to it a good
cleaning.
Then, I cleaned the ground strap area under the hood, and cleaned everything
associated with the battery terminals. A test at Autozone determined that
the starter was locked up, so I put a new warranted starter in this
afternoon. It spins up nicely and sounds like it turns faster than any
previous starter that I have had on the car.

Now, I know questions about the lights get asked all the time, but I want to
make sure I do not miss anything. A few years ago, I added relays into the
headlamp and hi-beam circuits, and all seemed well until about last
November, when the starter began to act up.

When I turn the headlamps on, the headlamps themselves come on, but no other
lights do. No marker lights nor tail-lights. The brake lights still work, as
do the turn signals.

I am trying to remember where to check the voltage for the tail-lights at
the fuse box, and how to check if power is making it back to the tail-light
assemblies.

This sort of thing is most frustrating cause I cannot think of any good
reason for the lights to stop working. They just stopped.

Thank you,
_______________________________________________

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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Mar 25 06:52:58 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:52:58 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question
References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com>
	<011c01ce294d$4aad3910$e007ab30$@com>
Message-ID: <1662716A009849048E6532F2609FD847@paul>

Assuming a chrome bumper the main rear light clusters and the front 
parking/indicator light units are earthed separately through their physical 
mountings, so a single earth fault isn't going to stop all of them working 
at once.  Whilst the rear side markers do earth at that number plate bolt so 
do the reversing and number plate lights, so if the former are working it 
isn't that earth.  The front side markers earth with the headlights, to a 
single point near the starter relay, so if the headlights are working it 
isn't that earth either.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I'd check grounds first. The tail lights and fuel pump ground at one point
> inside boot right behind the number plate. 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Mar 25 16:01:16 2013
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:16 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
Message-ID: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl>

http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht 

This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in
English Daylight.

 

The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed.

What a waste!

 

Another one lost for good..

 

I'll pamper mine - that's a promise!

 

Cheers,

 

Hans Duinhoven

'71 BGT

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Mon Mar 25 17:46:54 2013
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl>
References: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <8F52184403C741B58A1E08773A9A774C@YOURF3E40984A8>

When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they
"consumed" 11 105e Anglias.

I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up

http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht 

This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in
English Daylight.

The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed.

What a waste!

Another one lost for good..

I'll pamper mine - that's a promise!

Cheers,

Hans Duinhoven
'71 BGT

From mvheim at sonic.net  Mon Mar 25 17:50:02 2013
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <8F52184403C741B58A1E08773A9A774C@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>

on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby at centurytel.net wrote:

> When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they
> "consumed" 11 105e Anglias.
> 
> I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI.

I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them
wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI...


> 
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
> 
> http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht
> 
> This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in
> English Daylight.
> 
> The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed.
> 
> What a waste!
> 
> Another one lost for good..
> 
> I'll pamper mine - that's a promise!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Hans Duinhoven
> '71 BGT

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Mon Mar 25 17:54:27 2013
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:54:27 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
References: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D14AC1A6-228C-49FF-A23E-9E6A2C055AB9@ghs.com.au>

11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-)


On 26/03/2013, at 9:50 AM, Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net> wrote:

> on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby at centurytel.net wrote:
> 
>> When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they
>> "consumed" 11 105e Anglias.
>> 
>> I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI.
> 
> I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them
> wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI...
> 
> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
>> 
>> http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht
>> 
>> This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in
>> English Daylight.
>> 
>> The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed.
>> 
>> What a waste!
>> 
>> Another one lost for good..
>> 
>> I'll pamper mine - that's a promise!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Hans Duinhoven
>> '71 BGT
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 18:57:52 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
References: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <52172DD8-46B6-4BB9-B5C8-CBD8BB230BA2@gmail.com>

On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby at centurytel.net wrote:
> 
>> When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they
>> "consumed" 11 105e Anglias.
>> 
>> I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI.
> 
> I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them
> wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI..

Ferris Bueller was a Corvette with a fiberglass "Ferrari" body.


> 
>> 
>> David

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Mon Mar 25 21:03:32 2013
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <D14AC1A6-228C-49FF-A23E-9E6A2C055AB9@ghs.com.au>
References: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
	<D14AC1A6-228C-49FF-A23E-9E6A2C055AB9@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <19790A5299A14A1BBEDE849C12840790@YOURF3E40984A8>

Say it ain't so, Murray! :-(

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Murray Arundell
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up

11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-)

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Mon Mar 25 21:16:37 2013
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:16:37 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
In-Reply-To: <19790A5299A14A1BBEDE849C12840790@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <CD7630BA.44A17%mvheim@sonic.net>
	<D14AC1A6-228C-49FF-A23E-9E6A2C055AB9@ghs.com.au>
	<19790A5299A14A1BBEDE849C12840790@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <2C42B780-C868-44C2-BA79-CB2C06CCEDA9@ghs.com.au>

11 Triumph Stags would have definitely saved the planet....

On 26/03/2013, at 1:03 PM, "David F. Darby" <ddarby at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Say it ain't so, Murray! :-(
> 
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Murray Arundell
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
> 
> 11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-)
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Mar 26 02:57:42 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:57:42 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
References: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl>
Message-ID: <1F82BDA202744500B6A73333BE764F17@paul>

The thing that struck me was the relatively small amount of damage, which 
tallies with the crash-tests of the day.  This car, however, is probably 
more than 40 years old and in poor condition externally at least. 
Originally the tests were 30mph square on to a concrete block.  Hitting the 
front of lorry I would have expected the chassis rails to go under the 
bumper and the damage to extend a lot further back on the upper parts of the 
car.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed.

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Mar 26 22:54:28 2013
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <51527B84.60508@comcast.net>

Could possibly have saved MG... What's more important here?

On 3/26/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> From: Murray Arundell<arundell at ghs.com.au>
> To: "David F. Darby"<ddarby at centurytel.net>
> Cc: 'MG List'<mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
> Message-ID:<2C42B780-C868-44C2-BA79-CB2C06CCEDA9 at ghs.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> 11 Triumph Stags would have definitely saved the planet....

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Mar 26 23:20:55 2013
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <515281B7.8090302@comcast.net>

It also tallies with the two wrecks I've been in with B's. The first one 
I rear-ended at forty mph a full sized Buick at a dead stop after the 
guy between us swerved to reveal him. (My fault, I admit) I walked away 
without injury and no one else was hurt, thankfully. I was actually able 
to re-use some of the front suspension bits and the engine survived.

In the other *I* was rear ended, at a dead stop waiting for a light, by 
a kid with a cell phone but no insurance or skid marks at about 35 or 40 
mph. I limped away but didn't require a hospital visit. I'm still using 
the rear end, prop shaft and transmission from that car. And the engine 
is in the bay waiting a rebuild.

And they were both roadsters. Sturdy little cars. I have a suspicion 
that the rust formed crush zones that Sid or the factory hadn't thought 
about.

The other thing I noticed in the photos was WOW, what a slick way to do 
a paint job!

Think about it - do the smoothing, and apply a polymer plastic film that 
has an underlayment of POR-15 to stop the rust! And that's only for the 
first layer! You could have rip-off colors!


Glenn "Too old to see it through" Schnittke

On 3/26/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> From: "PaulHunt73"<paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>
> To: "Hans Duinhoven"<h.duinhoven at planet.nl>,<mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up
> Message-ID:<1F82BDA202744500B6A73333BE764F17 at paul>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> The thing that struck me was the relatively small amount of damage, which
> tallies with the crash-tests of the day.  This car, however, is probably
> more than 40 years old and in poor condition externally at least.
> Originally the tests were 30mph square on to a concrete block.  Hitting the
> front of lorry I would have expected the chassis rails to go under the
> bumper and the damage to extend a lot further back on the upper parts of the
> car.
>
> PaulH.

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Tue Mar 26 23:54:07 2013
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dyb=2zffTk8umwnNu3OGNOTwQAf6FkQAPzJYd=Oyr=5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5152897F.5070702@cox.net>

Sweet sweet car. It will be a fun project. The tires look like they're 
for mud and snow. Is that for real?

On 3/24/2013 3:55 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is
> required.  And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures!  Please
> enjoy.
>
> The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to
> give proper photo credit).
>
> The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of
> the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase.
>
> The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the
> pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the
> transporter.  That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool
> hat!  The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers.
>
> Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD
>
> -rick
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>
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar 27 01:16:49 2013
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:16:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <51527B84.60508@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<51527B84.60508@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <51529CE1.7050502@ktc.com>

It's all in your point of view.  To the film makers it's just a prop.

CR

On 3/26/2013 11:54 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:
> Could possibly have saved MG... What's more important here?

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 05:54:15 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <515281B7.8090302@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.1.1364320802.7891.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<515281B7.8090302@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48AD10BD-B02F-49C8-958A-24988CDD5DF9@gmail.com>

My guess is that that film doesn't even make a good 10 foot car.

I did kind of like the look without the chrome strip.

On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:

>
> The other thing I noticed in the photos was WOW, what a slick way to do a
paint job!
>
> Think about it - do the smoothing, and apply a polymer plastic film that has
an underlayment of POR-15 to stop the rust! And that's only for the first
layer! You could have rip-off colors!
>
>
> Glenn "Too old to see it through" Schnittke

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Mar 28 08:03:55 2013
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty's 10 Best
Message-ID: <51544DCB.5030607@wi.net>

Some of you may have seen this already.  We don't know anyone who would 
do such things.....do we?  ;-)


http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Articles/2013/03/25/April-Fools?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-27-2013


OR use the tiny version:

*http://tinyurl.com/bpqp3p4

*Dave W.*
*

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Mar 28 10:26:09 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:26:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty's 10 Best
References: <51544DCB.5030607@wi.net>
Message-ID: <868DF30D26FB47A792DFFE4B43D62F7C@paul>

I liked the topical one in Germany where a snow covered VW Beetle was 
illegally parked.  The Police went to ticket it, tried to scrape the snow 
off the number plate, then realised the whole car was made of snow.  In 
typical German style they said "It might have been a joke but it was still 
causing an obstruction ..."

http://tinyurl.com/bv3rjp3

----- Original Message ----- 
> Some of you may have seen this already.  We don't know anyone who would
> do such things.....do we?  ;-)

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Mar 29 16:43:30 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:43:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] It arrived
Message-ID: <51561912.7070406@bradakis.com>

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=149


This episode regarding the Weber 42 DCOE was mainly a Spridget list 
thing, but there
was some overlap with the MG list as well.

Thanks again.

mjb.

From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 18:42:23 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Richard Lindsay)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas
Message-ID: <CAOc+-dxpUGsgb4p6tiPnOi6S1TAvT4-J6Ku8r7Hf=jmkzknS1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

The MG TD I bought from Mr. Bill Schooler has arrived here in Texas.
Enclosed Vehicle Transport delivered the car to my garage (Yes, they
helped push it up the drive and into the garage.) and here I am with
the car.  May I proudly say, the car is everything Bill said it would
be, and perhaps even better than he described.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/MG_TD_in_garage.JPG

Following below are a number of pictures I took today as work began.
First of all, here's the car.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1029.JPG

Yea, it looks really rough - and it is - but its complete and
ultimately restorable.

Bill couldn't get the car started before loading on the transporter so
I decided to examine the fuel pump - the rumored defective link.  If I
could get it running I could do a hot compression test.  Here's how it
looked.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1030.JPG

Here are a couple more pictures taken to aid in reassembly.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1035.JPG

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1036.JPG

Upon removal of the filter I discovered a LOT of debris in the filter.
 Further examination showed that diaphragm to be damaged.  And in
reality, the engine will get completely rebuild so the intended
compression test was just to satisfy my curiosity.  It will have to
wait.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1037.JPG

I haven't yet decided whether to rebuild this pump or to just replace
it with an aftermarket one from Moss.  A betting man might benefit
from choosing the rebuild option.

Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn.  It was not working so a
full rebuild was indicated.  First of all, I took pictures of the
mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG

Inside, the horn was just fine but with heavily corroded contacts.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1039.JPG

Back on the workbench, the contacts were cleaned and refaced, just as
one would do with ignition points.  I then stripped all the paint and
sanded away the rust.  The horn was then reassembled with a little
lubricant on the moving bits (but not the points, of course) and
tested on the bench power supply.  Voila!  It worked great!

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1040.JPG

Once reassembled, a coat of engine primer followed by a coat of gloss
black engine paint put it ready for re-installation.  Of course, that
will have to wait for MONTHS but, when reassembly time comes, this
part, like the rest, will be ready for a nice clean rebuild.

http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130330_165733.jpg

I moved on the the other horn but got no further than disassembly.
This horn does work but it too will receive the full process.

And with that, the day's work ended.  Its a tiny bit of progress but
it IS progress.  Simple and clean.

-rick

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sat Mar 30 19:03:53 2013
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:33:53 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas
In-Reply-To: <CAOc+-dxpUGsgb4p6tiPnOi6S1TAvT4-J6Ku8r7Hf=jmkzknS1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOc+-dxpUGsgb4p6tiPnOi6S1TAvT4-J6Ku8r7Hf=jmkzknS1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15B0E1DB-EB22-4E90-AE7C-0310F9572482@erickson.on.net>

On 31/03/2013, at 11:12 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn.  It was not working so a
> full rebuild was indicated.  First of all, I took pictures of the
> mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly.
>
> http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG
>

Sheesh straight into it!

You had better be careful or you will finish this so quickly you will be
looking for your next project before Christmas!!

;-)


Eric

From richardolindsay at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 19:45:32 2013
From: richardolindsay at gmail.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas
Message-ID: <0usj1qgi1s0qui39vy7mmxmf.1364694332315@email.android.com>

:-) B  That would be awesome!

-rick


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry.

-------- Original message --------
From: Eric <eric at erickson.on.net> 
Date: 03/30/2013  8:03 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> 
Cc: MG list <mgs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas 
 

On 31/03/2013, at 11:12 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn.B  It was not working so a
> full rebuild was indicated.B  First of all, I took pictures of the
> mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly.
> 
> http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG
> 

Sheeshb& straight into it!

You had better be careful or you will finish this so quickly you will be looking for your next project before Christmas!!

;-)


Eric