From wtsnyder at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb  1 06:40:47 2013
From: wtsnyder at bellsouth.net (Bill Snyder)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Issue
Message-ID: <002901ce0081$be2d63f0$3a882bd0$@net>

Thanks to the list. You guys are terrific. After checking the things you
suggested, my problem turned out to be just a stuck needle valve in the rear
carb float bowl. So apparently the first 3 cylinders were running off the
front carb only. Thanks for all your expertise and your willingness to share
it. Please know that I am a better veterinarian than I am a mechanic and
that dogs and cats only eat carbs.

Bill Snyder

Waynesville, NC

'66 MGB

'00 Honda S2000

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Feb  1 08:34:43 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:34:43 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] I know it's Tri*mph but ...
Message-ID: <F015E09738F2481EAF85DEB9A52460FB@paul>

... you might like this - very clever, especially the bit at the end.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVDrGsaDME

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 09:08:02 2013
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:08:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] I know it's Tri*mph but ...
In-Reply-To: <F015E09738F2481EAF85DEB9A52460FB@paul>
References: <F015E09738F2481EAF85DEB9A52460FB@paul>
Message-ID: <1359734882.80209.YahooMailNeo@web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Very good - reminds me of this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1tTN-b5KHg
Dan D
'76B
'65B
Central NJ USA



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From don at napanet.net  Fri Feb  1 20:55:18 2013
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:55:18 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?
Message-ID: <mailman.5399.1359777658.1937.mgs@autox.team.net>

On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into 
our yard and did some mischief.  My MGs were in a garage, which was 
closed but unlocked.  Apparently they did not go into the garage at 
all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from 
inside the garage..  But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from 
three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one 
was outside.  It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables 
were not taken, nor any of the cars taken.  Perhaps they could not 
drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car.  I do 
live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable 
leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked.

Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law.  You must read the 
article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had 
a hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs.  My brother-in-law 
has a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about 
eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard.

Don Scott,  Calistoga
1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Email from my brother-in-law:

Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs?
To: Anne Scott <annescott at napanet.net>, don <don at napanet.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630"

Hi Anne & Don,

I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they 
made off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that.

Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some 
burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the 
article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide 
ring, I doubt it's the same people.

<http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html>http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html

 From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them?

Danny

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Email that I sent to my neighbors:

Subject:  Burglaries on Scott Way
To:  undisclosed recipients

Friends and neighbors,
Last night someone or someones, broke into the Bazzoli house (located 
near us on Scott Way) and stole two guns.  He/they also came into our 
yard and stole the owner's manuals from two cars, and the keys from 
three cars.  Strange things to take from us, but maybe they were 
intoxicated or something.  The keys to my Miata were in Dan Bazzoli's 
truck, and the sheriff's deputy gave them back to me.  The car books 
are gone, along with all the repair receipts in them.  Maybe the 
thief collects owner's manuals and keys?  Guns can be sold at least 
for quick cash.
So, keep your eyes and ears open for mischief in the area, and car 
keys and manuals scattered on the ground.
Don Scott 

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Sat Feb  2 07:13:49 2013
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:13:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?
References: <mailman.5399.1359777658.1937.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <26C02EDAC80042D2AC0C5C78ADC2CC38@frankdcczr6l6k>

Don: Was looking forward to reading your article but it wouldn't open.  I 
live in  rural RI with a shop that has my 2 MGBs, Triumph Bonneville bike 
and Mazda Miata.  I never locked it until now. Not long ago I had a problem 
with minor vandalism to my 1980 MGB LE that could have been major had I not 
discovered it. Someone  loosened all the lug nuts on the RF wheel. When I 
went for a ride I heard this awful thud coming from the front suspension and 
assumed the worst, broken shock or spring or A arm so I slowly motored home 
and jacked the car up when I detected the wheel was barely hanging on to the 
wheel studs. There is now way this could have happened other than by a 
vandal since the car sits covered and I routinely check the wheels for tire 
pressure and lug nut torque.  Cannot understand what someone would sneak 
into my shop and cause only that sort of damage but I have my suispicions.

Love your part of the country. Raced my HP Sprite for many years at Sears 
Point. I still refer to it as Sears Point regardless of whatever new name it 
has these days.
Frank Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don" <don at napanet.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:55 PM
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?


> On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into
> our yard and did some mischief.  My MGs were in a garage, which was
> closed but unlocked.  Apparently they did not go into the garage at
> all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from
> inside the garage..  But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from
> three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one
> was outside.  It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables
> were not taken, nor any of the cars taken.  Perhaps they could not
> drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car.  I do
> live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable
> leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked.
>
> Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law.  You must read the
> article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had
> a hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs.  My brother-in-law
> has a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about
> eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard.
>
> Don Scott,  Calistoga
> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese 
> cars
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email from my brother-in-law:
>
> Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs?
> To: Anne Scott <annescott at napanet.net>, don <don at napanet.net>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>         boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630"
>
> Hi Anne & Don,
>
> I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they
> made off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that.
>
> Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some
> burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the
> article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide
> ring, I doubt it's the same people.
>
> <http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html>http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html
>
> From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them?
>
> Danny
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email that I sent to my neighbors:
>
> Subject:  Burglaries on Scott Way
> To:  undisclosed recipients
>
> Friends and neighbors,
> Last night someone or someones, broke into the Bazzoli house (located
> near us on Scott Way) and stole two guns.  He/they also came into our
> yard and stole the owner's manuals from two cars, and the keys from
> three cars.  Strange things to take from us, but maybe they were
> intoxicated or something.  The keys to my Miata were in Dan Bazzoli's
> truck, and the sheriff's deputy gave them back to me.  The car books
> are gone, along with all the repair receipts in them.  Maybe the
> thief collects owner's manuals and keys?  Guns can be sold at least
> for quick cash.
> So, keep your eyes and ears open for mischief in the area, and car
> keys and manuals scattered on the ground.
> Don Scott
> _______________________________________________
>
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  2 10:50:20 2013
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:50:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5399.1359777658.1937.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1359827420.97826.YahooMailClassic@web163901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 2/1/13, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> Apparently they did not
go into
> the garage at 
> all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was
anything
> taken from 
> inside the garage..  But, owner's manuals and keys
were
> taken from 
> three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a
>
carport, and one 
> was outside.  It's a mystery as to what they were up
> to,
as valuables 
> were not taken, nor any of the cars taken. 

About a dozen
years ago, some kids came into my
yard and rooted through my car at the time,
an S-10
Chevy Blazer.  They left a portable CD player, my
Valentine One radar
detector and my checkbook.  They
opened and looked at a Webster wire recorder
that
was in back.  They took a ring of keys, a laser
pointer, a canvas satchel
I used as a brief case
(after dumping the contents out), and a London Fog
rain
coat.  It was December, and when the Christmas
lights on the garage (on a
timer) came on, it scared
them off.  The car doors closing woke me up.  From
that point on, I put in a motion-sensing yard light
(which since has been
turned on numerous times by
deer and raccoons, but never by burglars).  I also
lock my car at night.  Sad to have to do that in
your own yard, but this was
the second time this had
happened in 15 years.  My MGA in locked in the
garage, as prescribed by Hagerty.

From lister at bonackers.com  Sat Feb  2 11:10:48 2013
From: lister at bonackers.com (Scott Bonacker)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:10:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?
In-Reply-To: <26C02EDAC80042D2AC0C5C78ADC2CC38@frankdcczr6l6k>
References: <mailman.5399.1359777658.1937.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<26C02EDAC80042D2AC0C5C78ADC2CC38@frankdcczr6l6k>
Message-ID: <010501ce0170$a1282250$e37866f0$@bonackers.com>

Good story, thank you.

You have to repair the link because it broke in transit through the list. A working link begins with http and ends with html.

Scott Bonacker - Rogersville, MO


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of frankk12 at verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:14 AM
To: Don
Cc: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?

Don: Was looking forward to reading your article but it wouldn't open.  I live in  rural RI with a shop that has my 2 MGBs, Triumph
Bonneville bike and Mazda Miata.  I never locked it until now. Not long ago I had a problem with minor vandalism to my 1980 MGB LE
that could have been major had I not discovered it. Someone  loosened all the lug nuts on the RF wheel. When I went for a ride I
heard this awful thud coming from the front suspension and assumed the worst, broken shock or spring or A arm so I slowly motored
home and jacked the car up when I detected the wheel was barely hanging on to the wheel studs. There is now way this could have
happened other than by a vandal since the car sits covered and I routinely check the wheels for tire pressure and lug nut torque.
Cannot understand what someone would sneak into my shop and cause only that sort of damage but I have my suispicions.

Love your part of the country. Raced my HP Sprite for many years at Sears Point. I still refer to it as Sears Point regardless of
whatever new name it has these days.
Frank Krajewski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <don at napanet.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 10:55 PM
Subject: [Mgs] roving burglars looking for MGs?


> On Monday night, or very early Tuesday morning, intruders came into 
> our yard and did some mischief.  My MGs were in a garage, which was 
> closed but unlocked.  Apparently they did not go into the garage at 
> all, so the MGs were not tampered with nor was anything taken from 
> inside the garage..  But, owner's manuals and keys were taken from 
> three of my Japanese cars; two of the cars were in a carport, and one 
> was outside.  It's a mystery as to what they were up to, as valuables 
> were not taken, nor any of the cars taken.  Perhaps they could not 
> drive a standard shift and that stopped 'em from taking a car.  I do 
> live in a rural area, and until this happened, felt comfortable 
> leaving keys in cars, and door unlocked.
>
> Below is an email I got from my brother-in-law.  You must read the 
> article that is linked in his email about a fellow back east who had a 
> hoarding habit, and the hoarding included MGs.  My brother-in-law has 
> a great sense of humor, and he knows that at one time I had about 
> eight MGs in various states of repair or disrepair in my yard.
>
> Don Scott,  Calistoga
> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. 
> Japanese cars
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Email from my brother-in-law:
>
> Subject: roving burglars looking for MGs?
> To: Anne Scott <annescott at napanet.net>, don <don at napanet.net>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>         boundary="-1172831624-764119559-1359764264=:83630"
>
> Hi Anne & Don,
>
> I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. It doesn't sound as if they made 
> off with much of yours, and I'm grateful to hear that.
>
> Wouldn't you know it but I just came across this article about some 
> burglars who are targeting people with lots of MGs. (nothing in the 
> article about Miatas) They were in VT so unless it's a nationwide 
> ring, I doubt it's the same people.
>
> <http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html>
http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html
>
> From the photos in the article, do you recognize any of them?
>
> Danny

From don at napanet.net  Sat Feb  2 12:24:27 2013
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:24:27 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] link fixed: roving burglars looking for MGs?
Message-ID: <mailman.5450.1359833407.1937.mgs@autox.team.net>

I received some replies that the article could not be accessed from 
the link I sent, so please try this.  It is an interesting 
story.  Would not be apropos to our hobby, except for this:

"Radkin was inclined to acquire stuff whether he needed it or not. At 
one point he had five or six MGs, none of them running."

http://news.yahoo.com/looters-steal-200k-coins-hoarders-death-205449015.html 

From schultejim at msn.com  Mon Feb  4 19:42:02 2013
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:42:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Our 58 Magnette ZB will be for sale
Message-ID: <BAY157-W607B4840CDD116B905D9D4DB000@phx.gbl>

Gang,
I hate to do this, especially with all that was done with the help of Ed
Sweeney and Ron Cobb (God rest his soul) but, I will be offering our 58
Mganette ZB for sale very soon. I want to finish a few minor tasks before
taking pictures and putting it in Hemmings. Those that have seen the car know
it is an excellent 3 of 4 on the Haggerty Insurance scale. It had won several
regional shows in Florida before I purchased it from Ron Cobb of Deltona,
Florida back in Spring of 2009. Since that purchase, it has won local shows,
won it's category at MG 2010 and taken 3rd at GT 37.  It has a 4.1 rear*, 67
MGB engine at .0030 over with the original
Magnette cam that kicks in at 3000 rpm's*, remote oil cooler*,  fog and
driving lamps*,
uprated radiator*, brake booster*, switched to negative ground*, new
wire harness*, cassette radio*, painted Steel Blue with black leather
seats trimmed in white and dark brown rugs*  We have tried to keep it's
integrity intact but add some upgrades. Ed Sweeney was able to do the stator
tube with TR 3 parts, add his steering rack bushings, fix the speedometer
cable, added Jason Green brackets which allowed for the disc brakes to be
installed, add a 4th seat belt, a proper choke, and balanced the wobbling
drive shaft, new back seat leather cushion by a local shop, Pete Cosmiddes
adjusted the carbs, Earlington Transmissions rebuilt the T 35 BW auto 3 speed
tranny, I am having the original SU fuel pump rebuilt by
SUfuelpumps at donobi.net, new tires+, new battery+, BGT wipers+ What does it
need: wiper motor cleaned and lubed, The heater box needs to be put back in
and the fuel gauge needs to read more accurately, a speedometer remote drive
to coordinate the 4.1 rear with the speedometer/odometer.
I am looking for $13,999.99
That will include a new windshield w/ rubber, spare bonnet, grill, door,
bumper, original MC and drum brakes (new cylinders), and many original and new
parts in boxes such as a set of trafficators along with parts manuals,
Heritage Certificate beautiful quilt style car cover etc. I also have a line
on a Merkur 5 speed tranny if some one is interested but will not reveal that
info until after the car is sold. (-;

We plan to attend GT 38 unless Jeanne is sold before hand.

Pre-sale questions and offers welcome,
Jim
Harleysville, PA
215-802-1974 cell

Done by Ron Cobb in 20003-2004*
Done by me 2009-20012+

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Feb  5 11:45:49 2013
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hello?
Message-ID: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com>

Is this working?
Dave Houser

From pchast at francomm.com  Tue Feb  5 17:42:45 2013
From: pchast at francomm.com (P. Chast)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <op.wr16xjditqb2bu@sunnyta>

No! Definitely Not.

On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:45:49 -0500, W. David Houser  
<mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Is this working?
> Dave Houser
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From barrie at look.ca  Tue Feb  5 12:50:43 2013
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:50:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG PROMOTION
Message-ID: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>

I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I 
tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has to 
fill out.  Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and city 
address.  There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would not 
accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb  5 18:29:33 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:29:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <op.wr16xjditqb2bu@sunnyta>
References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com>
	<op.wr16xjditqb2bu@sunnyta>
Message-ID: <5111B1FD.9090006@bradakis.com>

There was about a 7 - 8 hour outage of the network today, seems to be
back to normal.

mjb.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  5 20:27:38 2013
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:27:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <5111B1FD.9090006@bradakis.com>
References: <5A57083F-901F-435B-9B13-8730158A7D68@tampabay.rr.com>
	<op.wr16xjditqb2bu@sunnyta> <5111B1FD.9090006@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1360121258.58438.YahooMailNeo@web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>


>T here was about a 7 - 8 hour
outage of the network today, seems to be
> back to normal.

Who's network?

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Feb  6 07:20:39 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:20:39 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>

You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the word 
'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable postcode it 
should list a series of house numbers for the street that postcode refers 
to.  If you enter an incorrect or unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return 
any house numbers.  I suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are 
only planned to be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North 
America is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I could get a 
couple and post them to you.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I tried to 
>get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has to fill out. 
>Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and city address.  There 
>was a "Locate Address" selection but it would not accept an address.  Has 
>anyone else had this problem?

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Feb  6 07:46:13 2013
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
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Paul,

I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no!  It 
could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too.   This is 
typical UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience.



At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the 
>word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable 
>postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street 
>that postcode refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or 
>unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers.  I 
>suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are only planned to 
>be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America 
>is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I could get a 
>couple and post them to you.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I 
>>tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has 
>>to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and 
>>city address.  There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would 
>>not accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Feb  6 08:11:56 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:11:56 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>

I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available outside 
the UK.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
To: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>; <mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>; 
<mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION


>
> Paul,
>
> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the Internet 
> only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no!  It could be that 
> the UK has their heads in the sand too.   This is typical UK marketing of 
> which I have quite a bit of experience.
>
>
>
> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>>You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the word 
>>'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable postcode 
>>it should list a series of house numbers for the street that postcode 
>>refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or unrecognisable postcode it 
>>doesn't return any house numbers.  I suspect it only recognises UK 
>>postcodes.  They are only planned to be available in the rest of Europe 
>>sometime this year, North America is nowhere on the radar.  If you want 
>>one I dare say I could get a couple and post them to you.
>>
>>PaulH.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I tried 
>>>to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has to fill out. 
>>>Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and city address.  There 
>>>was a "Locate Address" selection but it would not accept an address.  Has 
>>>anyone else had this problem?
>
> Regards
>
> Barrie
> barrie at look.ca
> 705-721-9060 

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Wed Feb  6 09:08:10 2013
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:08:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
	<C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
Message-ID: <51127FEA.4000604@wi.net>

Folks,

When I click on the link Barrie gave it appears to be only an email 
address.  Where does one see a form?
Dave W.



On 2/6/2013 9:11 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available 
> outside the UK.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
> To: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>; 
> <mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
>
>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
>> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no!  It 
>> could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too. This is typical 
>> UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>>> You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the 
>>> word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable 
>>> postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street 
>>> that postcode refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or 
>>> unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers.  I 
>>> suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are only planned to 
>>> be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America 
>>> is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I could get a 
>>> couple and post them to you.
>>>
>>> PaulH.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I 
>>>> tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has 
>>>> to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and 
>>>> city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would 
>>>> not accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Barrie
>> barrie at look.ca
>> 705-721-9060 

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  6 09:09:40 2013
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:09:40 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
	<C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
Message-ID: <51128044.4020507@sbcglobal.net>

Reasonable but short-sighted.  A more proactive site would have 
prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer customers 
from other areas a opportunity to register their interest.

Charles Hill

On 2/6/2013 9:11 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available 
> outside the UK.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
> To: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>; 
> <mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
>
>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
>> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no!  It 
>> could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too. This is typical 
>> UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>>> You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the 
>>> word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable 
>>> postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street 
>>> that postcode refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or 
>>> unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers.  I 
>>> suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are only planned to 
>>> be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America 
>>> is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I could get a 
>>> couple and post them to you.
>>>
>>> PaulH.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I 
>>>> tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has 
>>>> to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and 
>>>> city address. There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would 
>>>> not accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Barrie
>> barrie at look.ca
>> 705-721-9060 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Feb  6 09:47:41 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:47:41 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca><148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul><E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca><C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
	<51128044.4020507@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48425B6B73014EE5A16BBDE3F4CC1F74@paul>

Yes, right, just like American sites do ...

----- Original Message ----- 

> Reasonable but short-sighted.  A more proactive site would have 
> prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer customers 
> from other areas a opportunity to register their interest.
>>>
>>> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
>>> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Feb  6 09:51:11 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:51:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca><148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul><E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca><C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
	<51127FEA.4000604@wi.net>
Message-ID: <42F378D3172642A28B161AD5D7F91696@paul>

Barrie said he got an email.  Presumably from that address.  Which probably 
had a link to a web page on the 'MG Motor UK Ltd' web site.

----- Original Message ----- 
> When I click on the link Barrie gave it appears to be only an email
> address.  Where does one see a form?

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Feb  6 09:58:28 2013
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 11:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
	<C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
Message-ID: <E1U38Mw-0005pG-EA@gamma.look.ca>

Paul,

With todays diarrhea of messages I cannot find the time to wade 
through all the text of messages.  I blow out the "Nigerian" emails 
telling me that some "Agency" has found that I am owed gobs of cash 
but worry that I may blow away legitimate messages for I do do some 
stuff in offshore counties. Some blasters of messages think people 
have nothing better to do than read all their stuff.  How am I 
expected to know that the MG will not be available in North America - 
which one would think would be a prime market !!  Using common sense 
and a knowledge of the world of www and emails, it would seem prudent 
of the MG whiz kids to put a prominent notice which said "Available 
in the UK only".

At 03:11 PM 2/6/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>I don't think it's that unreasonable given that it's not available 
>outside the UK.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
>To: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>; 
><mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
>
>
>>
>>Paul,
>>
>>I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
>>Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But 
>>no!  It could be that the UK has their heads in the sand 
>>too.   This is typical UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>>>You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the 
>>>word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a 
>>>recognisable postcode it should list a series of house numbers for 
>>>the street that postcode refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or 
>>>unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers.  I 
>>>suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are only planned to 
>>>be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North 
>>>America is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I 
>>>could get a couple and post them to you.
>>>
>>>PaulH.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and 
>>>>I tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one 
>>>>has to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street 
>>>>and city address.  There was a "Locate Address" selection but it 
>>>>would not accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Barrie
>>barrie at look.ca
>>705-721-9060

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Feb  6 10:34:25 2013
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 12:34:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <48425B6B73014EE5A16BBDE3F4CC1F74@paul>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
	<C23E7BFB20AD432A840D378939BAD555@paul>
	<51128044.4020507@sbcglobal.net>
	<48425B6B73014EE5A16BBDE3F4CC1F74@paul>
Message-ID: <E1U38tm-0006el-1N@alpha.look.ca>

Paul,

I look at hundreds of sites a week because I am into rowing, and 
parts for Astons.  It is amazing how bad some sites are.  One college 
rowing club pleaded for a coach for a season.   I was sort of 
interested as accommodation, food and small living expenses was 
offered.   I toyed with the idea as my wife and I could have enjoyed 
a sort of holiday - taking the MGB GT V8 there..  But there was no 
email address or postal address given.  So I had no idea where it was 
and I certainly was not going to  search for the place.   I did 
critique web sites professionally for while so I am a bit testy on 
this sort of stuff.


At 04:47 PM 2/6/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>Yes, right, just like American sites do ...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>Reasonable but short-sighted.  A more proactive site would have 
>>prominent disclaimer that it was for the UK only and offer 
>>customers from other areas a opportunity to register their interest.
>>>>
>>>>I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the 
>>>>Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world -
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 11 14:57:07 2013
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike E)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:57:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
In-Reply-To: <E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
References: <E1U2oXV-0000Rv-IX@theta.look.ca>,
	<148FA0738A58443E99D4519D68EB46E1@paul>,
	<E1U36GR-0003sX-7Q@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W3734AD5F1ADC69D083035CB70A0@phx.gbl>

No, I think it's pretty much the whole English speaking world that thinks
that.

> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:46:13 -0500
> To: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com; mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
> From: barrie at look.ca
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] MG PROMOTION
>
> Paul,
>
> I thought it was only the blokes in the USA who believe that the
> Internet only covers them and not the rest of the world - But no!  It
> could be that the UK has their heads in the sand too.   This is
> typical UK marketing of which I have quite a bit of experience.
>
>
>
> At 02:20 PM 06/02/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> >You enter your postcode into the box that initially contains the
> >word 'postcode' and click 'Locate Address'.  If it is a recognisable
> >postcode it should list a series of house numbers for the street
> >that postcode refers to.  If you enter an incorrect or
> >unrecognisable postcode it doesn't return any house numbers.  I
> >suspect it only recognises UK postcodes.  They are only planned to
> >be available in the rest of Europe sometime this year, North America
> >is nowhere on the radar.  If you want one I dare say I could get a
> >couple and post them to you.
> >
> >PaulH.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >>I got a promo email for the new MG, info at mgmotor-news.co.uk, and I
> >>tried to get a brochure but could not fathom out the form one has
> >>to fill out. Nowhere did I see a place to enter ones a street and
> >>city address.  There was a "Locate Address" selection but it would
> >>not accept an address.  Has anyone else had this problem?
>
> Regards
>
> Barrie
> barrie at look.ca
> 705-721-9060
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Feb 11 19:02:03 2013
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Notes
Message-ID: <5119A29B.2000300@bradakis.com>

One thing I have done to counteract the recent flurry of hijacked email 
addresses
sending bad stuff through the the list is change the list settings for 
number of
allowed recipients.  Most of them include at least half a dozen or so 
addresses,
maybe more, in each message as they go through the victim's address list.

I've lowered the limit to 3.  While this will stop a fair amount of the 
bad stuff
from getting sent to the lists, it will also delay some legitimate 
messages.
If folks send off nested replies with many recipients their mail will be 
held,
waiting for me to approve it and send it on.  I'll work on being more 
diligent
about going through the pending admin requests [ 7,438 at the moment ]
to separate the wheat from the chaff.

And an advance notice - the annual fund drive will be coming up in a 
month or so,
I will try and get all the forum and FTP issues resolved before asking 
for contributions.
Never ending chores - I think I'll ask the man in charge for a raise!

mjb.

From pchast at francomm.com  Mon Feb 11 19:41:44 2013
From: pchast at francomm.com (P. Chast)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:41:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Notes
In-Reply-To: <5119A29B.2000300@bradakis.com>
References: <5119A29B.2000300@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <op.wsdgfuxdtqb2bu@sunnyta>

Sounds like a reasonable precaution. Wish it were not necessary.

Thanks for your hard work.

Pete


On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:02:03 -0500, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>  
wrote:

> One thing I have done to counteract the recent flurry of hijacked email  
> addresses
> sending bad stuff through the the list is change the list settings for  
> number of
> allowed recipients.  Most of them include at least half a dozen or so  
> addresses,
> maybe more, in each message as they go through the victim's address list.
>
> I've lowered the limit to 3.  While this will stop a fair amount of the  
> bad stuff
> from getting sent to the lists, it will also delay some legitimate  
> messages.
> If folks send off nested replies with many recipients their mail will be  
> held,
> waiting for me to approve it and send it on.  I'll work on being more  
> diligent
> about going through the pending admin requests [ 7,438 at the moment ]
> to separate the wheat from the chaff.
>
> And an advance notice - the annual fund drive will be coming up in a  
> month or so,
> I will try and get all the forum and FTP issues resolved before asking  
> for contributions.
> Never ending chores - I think I'll ask the man in charge for a raise!
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From montejane at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 07:52:53 2013
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte Jane Morris)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:53 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
Message-ID: <CAHEsxHoYg7mNc8ZuBtu3RGPpRMh0JfJryu4G0xf8FLvTbw8C_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has
recently cropped up.
For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually
starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is
different.
I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and
cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was
again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for
a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or
more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't
notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I
don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short
amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the
highway.
This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts
where I start looking?
Thanks,
Monte

1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Feb 14 08:07:07 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:07:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
References: <CAHEsxHoYg7mNc8ZuBtu3RGPpRMh0JfJryu4G0xf8FLvTbw8C_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33B16130CD7843C1A3397E960FE327B0@paul>

Once the carbs are full the pump shouldn't click more often than once every 
30 secs, and in practice less frequently than that, until the engine starts 
and you start using fuel.  Flooding it will use fuel of course, but cranking 
speed is much less than a cold-start fast-idle speed so usage will be 
correspondingly less.

Condition of plugs, points?  State of tune of ignition and carbs?  Choke 
operation (possibly OK if it flooded)?  Induction leak (possibly not ditto)? 
If the plugs are flooding it points to an ignition problem more than a fuel. 
If you have a timing light clip it onto the coil lead and each plug lead in 
turn and watch for regular flashing while cranking.  While on 1 and 4 check 
that the timing is around 8 to 10 degrees BTDC.  Note that if you have a 12v 
powered timing light the reduced voltage during cranking may not be enough 
to work the electronics, so you will have to power it from an alternative 
12v battery, either a charged spare or another vehicle.  If you have the 
old-fashioned orange neon 2-wire timing light this should work in any event.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any 
> thoughts
> where I start looking?

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Feb 14 08:14:32 2013
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:14:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
In-Reply-To: <CAHEsxHoYg7mNc8ZuBtu3RGPpRMh0JfJryu4G0xf8FLvTbw8C_g@mail.gmail.com>
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It would be the usual diagnostics. Start at the coil and make sure you are
getting spark to all cylinders. Put the timing light on each wire in turn.

Check timing. Check continue of the points. Check the cap for cracks, etc.

Check gas getting to the carbs. Check the needles move freely, choke is
working, check for air leaks. Check the condition of the plugs and re-gap.

Check the condition of the ignition relays. I had one burn out on me a couple
of years ago, and I tore apart my whole ignition system looking for it,
including pulling out a new dizzy that I thought may have been defective.

They say 90% of fuel problems are ignition and 90% of ignition problems are
fuel. I say 90% of my problems are things I "know" are "right". :-)

Is Missouri clear enough to drive the MG? I'm jealous.

Paul.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Monte Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has
> recently cropped up.
> For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually
> starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is
> different.
> I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and
> cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was
> again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for
> a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or
> more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't
> notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I
> don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short
> amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the
> highway.
> This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts
> where I start looking?
> Thanks,
> Monte
>
> 1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy
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From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Feb 14 08:24:34 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:24:34 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
Message-ID: <20130214.102434.12452.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Monte,  First thing to check is ignition.  After months of rest, there
could be some corrosion on the points. Pull a piece of card or paper between
them. That may suffice. More difficult to deal with is the possibility that
the fuel has gone stale in the carb bowls. It will burn, but not as easily as
when fresh. Engine may be difficult to start, but run more or less OK when
warm. If you can get the car to drive well enough to burn off fuel in the tank
and then buy new, that problem may go away. If you had H or HS carbs, I would
suggest opening them and having a look inside the bowls, but one prefers to
avoid doing that to HIFs.Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Monte Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:53 -0600

Hi all,
I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has
recently cropped up.
For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually
starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is
different.
I had to crank and crank and it flooded. I waited until the next day and
cranked for a while and then it started and ran fine. Yesterday, it was
again hard to start but ran fine on the way to town. If you turn it off for
a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let it set 10 minutes or
more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 seconds each. I don't
notice the fuel pump clicking excessively when this happens (in fact, I
don't notice it clicking at all but it probably shouldn't in this short
amount of time). Once it starts, it runs fine both in town and on the
highway.
This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any thoughts
where I start looking?
Thanks,
Monte

1979B, de-smogged with HIF's, carbon canisters, and a points dizzy
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From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Thu Feb 14 08:32:04 2013
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
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First thing I would verify is that the pump is acting correctly. Turn the
key to ignition and verify the pump clicks for a bit and then stops. "A bit"
can be very short if your fuel system is in really good shape. If you don't
hear anything I'd check the ground inside the boot behind the license plate.
If it clicks a lot and doesn't really stop (Paul's timing is correct) then
check your carbs as you may have a sticking float or needle valve. This
generally includes lots of fuel smell as well.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
N4IK
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of PaulHunt73
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Monte Jane Morris; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poor start

Once the carbs are full the pump shouldn't click more often than once every
30 secs, and in practice less frequently than that, until the engine starts
and you start using fuel.  Flooding it will use fuel of course, but cranking
speed is much less than a cold-start fast-idle speed so usage will be
correspondingly less.

Condition of plugs, points?  State of tune of ignition and carbs?  Choke
operation (possibly OK if it flooded)?  Induction leak (possibly not ditto)?

If the plugs are flooding it points to an ignition problem more than a fuel.

If you have a timing light clip it onto the coil lead and each plug lead in
turn and watch for regular flashing while cranking.  While on 1 and 4 check
that the timing is around 8 to 10 degrees BTDC.  Note that if you have a 12v
powered timing light the reduced voltage during cranking may not be enough
to work the electronics, so you will have to power it from an alternative
12v battery, either a charged spare or another vehicle.  If you have the
old-fashioned orange neon 2-wire timing light this should work in any event.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> This B has always started right up with no excessive cranking. Any 
> thoughts
> where I start looking?
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Feb 14 08:45:13 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:45:13 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Poor start
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Think about it ...

"I had to crank and crank and it flooded."

"If you turn it off for a few minutes, it will start right up but if you let 
it set 10 minutes or more it requires cranking about 3 times for 15-20 
seconds each."

From mike at duvallvideo.com  Thu Feb 14 12:29:15 2013
From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:29:15 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] startup
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Bad gas or ethanol....

On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> I've been lurking for years without a problem to research, but one has
> recently cropped up.
> For the past 8 years, our B sits idle 6-8 months per year. It usually
> starts right up after the fuel pump fills the bowls but this year is
> different.
> I had to crank and crank and it flooded. 

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Feb 14 15:24:07 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:24:07 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] TD questions
Message-ID: <20130214.172407.11550.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>

  I am taking my TD apart for painting. Wings, running, boards, bonnet,
radiator, spare tire bracket, fuel tank and all off the car now, and
floorboards will come out as soon as garage temperature rises a bit. So far,
everything but the running boards has come apart easily.  Those bolts were
rusted into the wood, and required gentle coaxing over time to remove. I
double-nutted the threaded end, then used a wrench on each end to gently work
them loose. Over a period of two weeks, not one of the penetrants used soaked
more than 1/8" down the bolts and into the wood.  All the other fasteners are
in good order. I plan to zinc plate them with the Caswell electroplating
chemicals.  Door fit is excellent, and I don't want to mess with it, but would
like to remove doors for painting.  Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up
and out?  If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels
are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed, though.
Question: is there a source of hidem?  We have long thought that Rexine was
unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and
China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the
dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it.  If I
ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob

From mike at duvallvideo.com  Fri Feb 15 12:37:39 2013
From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:37:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] hinge pins
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up
> and out?

No

>  If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels
> are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed,
though.
> Question: is there a source of hidem?

http://www.mgbits.com/contents/en-uk/d279_Interior_TD_TF_04.html

>  We have long thought that Rexine was
> unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and
> China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the
> dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it.  If
I
> ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri Feb 15 16:02:44 2013
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:02:44 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] hinge pins
Message-ID: <20130215.180244.1075.1@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Mike,
   Thanks. I was expecting that the hinge pin answer would be no, but
hopeful.
    Have you seen hidem frm MGBits? The material I have been able to locate is
3/4 inch wide, while that on my car is 1/2 inch. The hidem in the illustration
appears to be wider than 1/2, though that may not be true.
Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Duvall Video Productions <mike at duvallvideo.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] hinge pins
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:37:39 -0600

On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> Question: can the hinge pins be pressed up
> and out?

No

>  If they can't be pressed out, interior panels must come out. Panels
> are original, but look pretty good. The hidem is sure to be destroyed,
though.
> Question: is there a source of hidem?

http://www.mgbits.com/contents/en-uk/d279_Interior_TD_TF_04.html

>  We have long thought that Rexine was
> unavailable. It turns out that it is still made, apparently in India and
> China, and is marketed for car upholstery. I wanted a piece to re-cover the
> dashboard. One supplier offered immediate shipment of "100 miles" of it.
If
I
> ordered from him, does anyone need 527,996 feet of the stuff? Bob
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From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Feb 17 19:54:21 2013
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:54:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
Message-ID: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com>

Before I swapped it out, my MG had a terrible timing problem. It wasn't stable
(it would bounce 10-20 degrees, the best I could do was "center" the very
erratic timing). It had a corresponding unhealthy sound to it as well.

I had replaced the timing chain and distributor with no effect. Replacing the
motor of course worked brilliantly.

Finally pulled it apart today, and discovered the distributor gear looks "a
bit worn".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronwhiteman/8484612220/

Anybody ever see a cam damaged like this? The old farmer that was helping me
with the disassembly hadn't.

The rest of the cam looks good to my untrained eye, as does the rest of the
engine.
( http://flickr.com/gp/aaronwhiteman/0Rr24g for the curious )

--
Aaron

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Feb 17 20:36:49 2013
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:36:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
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References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com>
Message-ID: <201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>

Holy crap.  It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil 
pump drive gear in a similar manner.  You're lucky it didn't lose oil 
pump drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would 
destroy crankshaft and con rods.

I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens occasionally.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 06:54 PM 2/17/2013 -0800, Aaron Whiteman wrote:
>Before I swapped it out, my MG had a terrible timing problem. It wasn't stable
>(it would bounce 10-20 degrees, the best I could do was "center" the very
>erratic timing). It had a corresponding unhealthy sound to it as well.
>
>I had replaced the timing chain and distributor with no effect. Replacing the
>motor of course worked brilliantly.
>
>Finally pulled it apart today, and discovered the distributor gear looks "a
>bit worn".
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronwhiteman/8484612220/
>
>Anybody ever see a cam damaged like this? The old farmer that was helping me
>with the disassembly hadn't.
>
>The rest of the cam looks good to my untrained eye, as does the rest of the
>engine.
>( http://flickr.com/gp/aaronwhiteman/0Rr24g for the curious )
>....

From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Feb 17 20:40:44 2013
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:40:44 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
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	<201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
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On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:

> Holy crap.  It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil pump
drive gear in a similar manner.  You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump drive
before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy crankshaft and
con rods.

Oddly, the dizzy and oil pump drive gears look ok. I'll replace them anyway,
but only the cam shows any wear. I do consider myself to be pretty fortunate
that (at least so far) this seems to be the only part with any kind of
damage.

--
Aaron

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Mon Feb 18 01:20:33 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:20:33 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com><201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
	<B1174730-C9F3-42EE-846B-3390E8B91CF5@panix.com>
Message-ID: <F4FA7D7F3839461491164B4EF127BCD8@paul>

In that case it could have been lack of hardening of the gear.  I saw 
camshafts being made at Longbridge some 40 years ago.  After a couple of 
bangs from a huge 'hammer' some 30 feet high it was dropped in a 'bin' that 
induction-heated the relevant bits to yellow hot in about 3 seconds, then 
chucked in a cage with hundreds of others.  Cranks were even more 
impressive - three bangs to a plain billet and there you were.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Oddly, the dizzy and oil pump drive gears look ok. I'll replace them 
> anyway,
> but only the cam shows any wear. I do consider myself to be pretty 
> fortunate
> that (at least so far) this seems to be the only part with any kind of
> damage.

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 14:34:59 2013
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:34:59 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Experiences with EBC "Greenstuff" pads?
Message-ID: <CAEUYfyMM9Dh0WDEcpvr4kRN8qO_1Pf9SzbXJ5CHK_27c-4BOKA@mail.gmail.com>

I recently looked at the front pads on my daughter's '71 MGB-GT
because the brakes were squealing.

The pads are EBC Greenstuff V8 pads. When I looked at the pads on the
driver's side, the surface of the pads was very rough. I haven't seen
this on brake pads before and was wondering if this is an issue with
the type of pads, or if this commonly happens?

Simon

From awhitema at panix.com  Mon Feb 18 14:49:34 2013
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:49:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com>
	<201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.00.1302181643160.4661@panix1.panix.com>

On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
wrote:

> 
> Holy crap.  It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil
> pump drive gear in a similar manner.  You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump
> drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy
> crankshaft and con rods.
> 
> I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens
> occasionally.

I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable horrified.
But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking
was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam
was being fed well.

So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started
there).

  http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm
and
  http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm

If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are
lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod
passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes an
additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed?

From dkeeble at frontier.com  Mon Feb 18 18:28:26 2013
From: dkeeble at frontier.com (dkeeble at frontier.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:28:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.00.1302181643160.4661@panix1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <1361237306.23514.YahooMailClassic@web160406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Does it get its oil from one of the holes in the cam bearing. If not indexed
correctly on installation ...no oil feed.

--- On Mon, 2/18/13, Aaron Whiteman <awhitema at panix.com> wrote:


From: Aaron Whiteman <awhitema at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
To: "Barney Gaylord" <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, February 18, 2013, 3:49 PM


On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
wrote:

>
> Holy crap.  It must have wiped out the dizzy drive gear and the oil
> pump drive gear in a similar manner.  You're lucky it didn't lose oil pump
> drive before losing distributor drive, in which case it would destroy
> crankshaft and con rods.
>
> I have not personally seen this before, but apparently it happens
> occasionally.

I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable horrified.
But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking
was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam
was being fed well.

So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started
there).

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm
and
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm

If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are
lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod
passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes an
additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed?
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Feb 19 04:13:00 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:13:00 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Experiences with EBC "Greenstuff" pads?
References: <CAEUYfyMM9Dh0WDEcpvr4kRN8qO_1Pf9SzbXJ5CHK_27c-4BOKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF17804B10EE4C018B9DD3945344B774@paul>

No experience myself but I have read recently that the composition changed 
and the new ones, like so many other things, are not as good as they were.

Mixed opinions here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=981045 
based on which I wouldn't buy them especially for a standard road car.

I've had squealing pads and shoes, a bigger problem on shoes as it happens. 
In the end in desperation I swapped them between the sides and since then it 
has been fine!  A smear of copper grease on the backs of the pads and shims, 
and where they contact the calliper, is usually fine for the pads.  I had a 
pair of pads on one side crumble when the calliper pistons stuck, changed 
the callipers, discs and pads in that case.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The pads are EBC Greenstuff V8 pads. When I looked at the pads on the
> driver's side, the surface of the pads was very rough. I haven't seen
> this on brake pads before and was wondering if this is an issue with
> the type of pads, or if this commonly happens?

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Tue Feb 19 04:14:38 2013
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:14:38 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com><201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
	<alpine.NEB.2.00.1302181643160.4661@panix1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <E9D17E131D454748B54EE2F699BA564E@paul>

Wouldn't lack of oil have affected the gears as much as the cam?  And if the 
rockers were all being lubricated there should be enough swilling round.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil passage. The thinking
> was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, but the rest of the cam
> was being fed well.

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Feb 19 08:59:29 2013
From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:59:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] #2 - Timing chain
In-Reply-To: <F6C2ACB9-43F4-468D-A6CE-E47FE21E7BF9@bellsouth.net>
References: <287b2.5cd62a26.3e547a2d@aol.com>
	<F6C2ACB9-43F4-468D-A6CE-E47FE21E7BF9@bellsouth.net>
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<< On 2/19/2013 9:45 AM, Gene Gillam wrote:

Nothing attached that I can see. >>

  Can't attach anything for posting to the List, Gene ( & Mike ?) ! !

And YOU should know better !  LOL !

Ed

PS:  Mike, if you would like to have me put up on my site, just send 
the pics.
PPS:  I didn't see Mike's post either ? ! ?

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Feb 19 11:57:57 2013
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:57:57 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] bad cam diagnosis
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.00.1302181643160.4661@panix1.panix.com>
References: <38446C6A-651A-4822-92F9-EE457E765C36@panix.com>
	<201302180336.r1I3amdx016484@nlpi162.prodigy.net>
	<alpine.NEB.2.00.1302181643160.4661@panix1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <201302191858.r1JIwJi6023363@nlpi162.prodigy.net>

For the 3-main bearing engines the cam gear, dizzy drive gear and oil 
pump drive gear get oil by drain down from the head and by splash of 
oil escaping from the rod bearings.  There is also an oil passage 
from the low pressure oil gallery to top end of the bore holding the 
spigot of the oil pump drive gear.  A bit of oil escaping at bottom 
of this spigot bearing journal will dribble on the oil pump drive 
gear, and some of this oil will be transfered to the cam gear.

The 5-main bearing engines have an additional drilling going at an 
angle downward from the cavity above the oil pump drive gear spigot 
to an escape point just above the cam gear.  This supplies oil 
direcly onto the cam gear for supplimentary lubrication of the cam 
gear and the mating gears for oil pump drive and distributor drive.


At 04:49 PM 2/18/2013 -0500, Aaron Whiteman wrote:
>....
>I took the cam to my local mechanic today. He was suitable 
>horrified.  But one of his guys asked me if there was an oil 
>passage. The thinking was perhaps it wasn't getting oil to the gear, 
>but the rest of the cam was being fed well.
>
>So of course google refers me to mgaguru (should have just started there).
>
>  http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm
>and
>  http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm
>
>If my understanding is correct, the cam lobes and drive gear are 
>lubricated by oil falling down through the head via the pushrod 
>passages from the rocker arm assembly. But the second article notes 
>an additional passage to feed the gear. How does that passage get fed?

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 05:52:26 2013
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 06:52:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Trade?
Message-ID: <315722258.5199004.1361623951769.JavaMail.webspher@njbbicssmp04>

Hello Friends,B 

Anyone interested in trading a T-series car or project (or similar) for my beautiful '69 R-R Silver Shadow? B I've always want a T-Series car and I must admit, I've tired a bit of the Rolls.

-rick, in Houston

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sat Feb 23 05:57:17 2013
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:27:17 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Trade?
In-Reply-To: <315722258.5199004.1361623951769.JavaMail.webspher@njbbicssmp04>
References: <315722258.5199004.1361623951769.JavaMail.webspher@njbbicssmp04>
Message-ID: <E4D39734-BEC5-44DC-A841-EE2488757C84@erickson.on.net>

On 23/02/2013, at 11:22 PM, Rick <rolindsay at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Friends,B
>
> Anyone interested in trading a T-series car or project (or similar) for my
beautiful '69 R-R Silver Shadow? B I've always want a T-Series car and I must
admit, I've tired a bit of the Rolls.
>

Want my 'B?


Eric

From schultejim at msn.com  Mon Feb 25 16:25:08 2013
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:25:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] need 2 fenders
Message-ID: <BAY157-W504EB2E4CE947E2FF861BDBF30@phx.gbl>

Folks,
I am restoring a 1974.5 MGBGT. I need a good left and right front fender
complete. I realize these are rare as Hens teeth so I am posting here to see
if anyone might have a lead for one or both. I have a Heritage right front
roadster fender worth 800.00 I like to use as a bargaining chip if anyone has
what I need. The current fenders are bad at the bottom and in the light
buckets. Patching these would cost more then it's worth. Can anyone help me
out?
Jim
Harleysville, PA
1970 MGB driver
1958 MG Magnette restored for sale
!974.5 MGBGT in restoration