From allenhess at mgcarclub.com  Fri Jun  1 13:48:25 2012
From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] air pump question for a 70
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1338573602.17090.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1338573602.17090.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2DB150E5-0021-4204-AFFA-3370229D7C32@mgcarclub.com>

I have a '71 MGB. When I first got it, it backfired when shifting.  
Determined that was due to a bad "gulp valve". So took of the belt,  
disconnected and plugged the hoses and all was fine. This car was very  
original and so later on I got a new gulp valve. Hooked everything  
back up and it was good for a few months. Started to backfire again  
and I gave up. Once again I disconnected the air pump system but it's  
still on the car. As they say "you mileage may vary" . . .

19th Annual British Motorcar Gathering
All-British car show hosted by the Keystone Region MG Club
Sunday, June 10, 2012 | Reservoir Park, Hellertown, Pa.

http://www.keystonemg.com/hellertown.html

From otis15 at aol.com  Tue Jun  5 18:24:17 2012
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 20:24:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] 71 gk engine
Message-ID: <8CF1191D80F41F7-DB0-5E3E@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com>

I have a 71 gk engine that has been tanked, shot peaned bored .20 and crank
ground .10 by a local mechine shop. Project gone bad. Free to any one who can
use it. I'am located between Piittsburgh and Cleveland about an hour each way.
Cleaning the garage out for a Miata project.
?
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????? Steve

From riverside at southslope.net  Wed Jun  6 09:30:22 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 71 gk engine
In-Reply-To: <8CF1191D80F41F7-DB0-5E3E@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF1191D80F41F7-DB0-5E3E@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <92C45790543D498B848057A129EC810B@rileyPC>

I wish I was closer so I could take advantage of your generosity!.

Really though, don't you think it would be better to toss all that
Miata stuff to make room for an MG project???

art d

-----Original Message----- 
From: otis15 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:24 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] 71 gk engine

I have a 71 gk engine that has been tanked, shot peaned bored .20 and crank
ground .10 by a local mechine shop. Project gone bad. Free to any one who 
can
use it. I'am located between Piittsburgh and Cleveland about an hour each 
way.
Cleaning the garage out for a Miata project.
?
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????? Steve
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From mgmagnette at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 09:28:46 2012
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (John)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:28:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese MGs, Thai Triumphs
Message-ID: <2728B964-895E-4E50-AD2D-6602FF22DAAB@aol.com>

Went to check out a Triumph Bonneville at the dealer.  They're made in
Thailand.  Not sure I care but maybe I do.  Opinions?

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  9 11:07:03 2012
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese MGs, Thai Triumphs
In-Reply-To: <2728B964-895E-4E50-AD2D-6602FF22DAAB@aol.com>
References: <2728B964-895E-4E50-AD2D-6602FF22DAAB@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1339261623.18940.YahooMailNeo@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 From: John <mgmagnette at aol.com>


> Went to check out a Triumph Bonneville at
the dealer.  They're made in
> Thailand.  Not sure I care but maybe I do. 
Opinions?

It's a motorcycle, right?

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Sat Jun  9 14:05:39 2012
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:05:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese MGs, Thai Triumphs
References: <2728B964-895E-4E50-AD2D-6602FF22DAAB@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9D56F90611D648CFA06F6533160E0594@frankdcczr6l6k>

John: I have a 2002 Triumph Bonneville and find the Triumph Rat website most 
helpful. It is the equivalent of this forum only for owners of Triumph 
bikes.  There has been much discussion on the quality of the Bonnies made in 
places other than England. I have included the link to their forum below. If 
you need any assistance navigating their site let me know.
Frank Krajewski

http://www.triumphrat.net/the-welcome-center/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John" <mgmagnette at aol.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese MGs, Thai Triumphs


> Went to check out a Triumph Bonneville at the dealer.  They're made in
> Thailand.  Not sure I care but maybe I do.  Opinions?
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 13 11:45:06 2012
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
Message-ID: <1339609506.22920.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We may have seen this before, and I don't consider it an MGB, but it's still pretty cool....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_mg_le50_first_drive/

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Jun 13 11:53:00 2012
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
In-Reply-To: <1339609506.22920.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net>

I don't know why you wouldn't consider it an MGB. I might complain about the
choice of powerplant (oh, the irony), but it's pretty clearly an MG -- even
the British government thinks so.

$58K sounds like a lot, but then, it's over twice as quick to 60, and not
pre-rusted or DPO'ed.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 6/13/12 10:45 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase at yahoo.com wrote:

> We may have seen this before, and I don't consider it an MGB, but it's still
> pretty cool....
> 
> http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_mg_le50_first_drive/
> 
> Dan D
> '76B, '65B
> Central NJ USA
> _______________________________________________

From mvheim at sonic.net  Wed Jun 13 11:56:28 2012
From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:56:28 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
In-Reply-To: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CBFE225C.3B6ED%mvheim@sonic.net>

I meant to add, it's really only the 50th anniversary of the roadster. So,
where is the open version?

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 6/13/12 10:53 AM, Max Heim at mvheim at sonic.net wrote:

> I don't know why you wouldn't consider it an MGB. I might complain about the
> choice of powerplant (oh, the irony), but it's pretty clearly an MG -- even
> the British government thinks so.
> 
> $58K sounds like a lot, but then, it's over twice as quick to 60, and not
> pre-rusted or DPO'ed.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Menlo Park, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> 
> on 6/13/12 10:45 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> We may have seen this before, and I don't consider it an MGB, but it's still
>> pretty cool....
>> 
>> http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_mg_le50_first_drive/
>> 
>> Dan D
>> '76B, '65B
>> Central NJ USA
>> _______________________________________________

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Jun 14 02:03:01 2012
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
References: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0C8375BC3ED247B294303622D0250824@paul>

It's correct that the UK Government does recognise the *shell* as an 
original replacement (which is what the article says), but to retain the 
registration number of the donor the rebuilt vehicle must consist of (from 
the UK Government web site):

"... a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the 
original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. 
receipt).

And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension 
(front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine."

If this can't be met then a 'Q' registration will be issued which says to 
everyone it is a kit car.  If the photos *have* been photo-shopped, that 
could be why.



PaulH.



----- Original Message ----- 
> ... but it's pretty clearly an MG -- even
> the British government thinks so.

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 13:53:18 2012
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Screwdriver book
Message-ID: <47849A6E-704C-4AF7-96B1-357F17C0598E@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
I forgot who recommended this book for a wonderful read but just wanted to say
thanks! Most entertaining and I think all of us who have a workshop would
enjoy the tale. The name of the book is "One Good Turn", A natural history of
the Screwdriver and the Screw by Witold Rybczynski( one vowel in all that). A
masterpiece. Who knew Archimedes was such an idea fun guy...Eureka!
Cheers,
Dave Houser

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 14 16:16:20 2012
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Screwdriver book
In-Reply-To: <47849A6E-704C-4AF7-96B1-357F17C0598E@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <47849A6E-704C-4AF7-96B1-357F17C0598E@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E2F5E0033C824E3D840FB32A026B31BE@HomePC>

Not to be picky, but... two vowels in the first name and three in the last 
name.

Okay, that is being picky.  ;-)

Thanks for the recommendation on the book!


Larry Daniels




-----Original Message----- 
From: W. David Houser
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:53 PM
To: MGList List
Subject: [Mgs] Screwdriver book

Listers,
I forgot who recommended this book for a wonderful read but just wanted to 
say
thanks! Most entertaining and I think all of us who have a workshop would
enjoy the tale. The name of the book is "One Good Turn", A natural history 
of
the Screwdriver and the Screw by Witold Rybczynski( one vowel in all that). 
A
masterpiece. Who knew Archimedes was such an idea fun guy...Eureka!
Cheers,
Dave Houser
_______________________________________________

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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 06:15:41 2012
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:15:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Screwdriver book
In-Reply-To: <E2F5E0033C824E3D840FB32A026B31BE@HomePC>
References: <47849A6E-704C-4AF7-96B1-357F17C0598E@tampabay.rr.com>
	<E2F5E0033C824E3D840FB32A026B31BE@HomePC>
Message-ID: <1339762541.48016.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In the last name, only 'sometimes', Larry!

Dan D
'65 B, '76 B
Central NJ USA
________________________________
 From: Larry Daniels
<ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: W. David Houser <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>;
MGList List <mgs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Screwdriver book
 
Not to be picky, but... two vowels in
the first name and three in the last 
name.

Okay, that is being picky.  ;-)
Thanks for the recommendation on the book!


Larry Daniels




-----Original
Message----- 
From: W. David Houser
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:53 PM
To:
MGList List
Subject: [Mgs] Screwdriver book

Listers,
I forgot who recommended
this book for a wonderful read but just wanted to 
say
thanks! Most
entertaining and I think all of us who have a workshop would
enjoy the tale.
The name of the book is "One Good Turn", A natural history 
of
the Screwdriver
and the Screw by Witold Rybczynski( one vowel in all that). 
A
masterpiece.
Who knew Archimedes was such an idea fun guy...Eureka!
Cheers,
Dave Houser
_______________________________________________

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jun 17 10:51:33 2012
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:51:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Needed: inop panel light  dimmer
Message-ID: <4FDE0B15.2000504@blacksburg.net>

Folks, I'm hoping that there's someone on this list who's as big a pack 
rat (is that a bad thing???) as I am.  I need an inoperative panel light 
dimmer control - the "D" shaped style, which was used on late model 
TR6s, Spitfires and MGBs.

Haaaaalp!

TIA

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 17 11:30:12 2012
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Needed: inop panel light  dimmer
References: <4FDE0B15.2000504@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <068DE985439547AB89A6F42B162A802B@frankdcczr6l6k>

Jim: Do you have a photo of what it looks like? What year MGB did it come 
on? RBB or CBB?
Frank Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Needed: inop panel light dimmer


> Folks, I'm hoping that there's someone on this list who's as big a pack 
> rat (is that a bad thing???) as I am.  I need an inoperative panel light 
> dimmer control - the "D" shaped style, which was used on late model TR6s, 
> Spitfires and MGBs.
>
> Haaaaalp!
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> -- 
> Jim Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 99% finished, 90% to go
> _______________________________________________

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Sun Jun 17 18:23:31 2012
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 19:23:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Needed: inop panel light  dimmer
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1339956002.6603.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1339956002.6603.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4FDE7503.4000905@comcast.net>

Wow. That shouldn't be difficult. I thought I had the only working one 
in existence. Sorry, mine works. *<;)

And no, being a pack rat CAN eventually pay off.

Glenn

On 6/17/2012 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> Subject: [Mgs] Needed: inop panel light  dimmer
> Message-ID:<4FDE0B15.2000504 at blacksburg.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Folks, I'm hoping that there's someone on this list who's as big a pack
> rat (is that a bad thing???) as I am.  I need an inoperative panel light
> dimmer control - the "D" shaped style, which was used on late model
> TR6s, Spitfires and MGBs.
>
> Haaaaalp!
>
> TIA
>
> jim
>
> -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% 
> finished, 90% to go

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jun 19 09:51:50 2012
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
In-Reply-To: <0C8375BC3ED247B294303622D0250824@paul>
References: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net>
	<0C8375BC3ED247B294303622D0250824@paul>
Message-ID: <4FE0A016.2070102@ktc.com>

I remember a couple of magazine or web articles, in days of yore, 
wherein MGBs were rebuilt (reconstructed?) on Heritage shells.  AIR they 
were roadsters.

CR
On 6/14/2012 3:03 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> It's correct that the UK Government does recognise the *shell* as an 
> original replacement (which is what the article says), but to retain 
> the registration number of the donor the rebuilt vehicle must consist 
> of (from the UK Government web site):
>
> "... a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as 
> the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer 
> (e.g. receipt).
>
> And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie 
> suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); 
> transmission or engine."
>
> If this can't be met then a 'Q' registration will be issued which says 
> to everyone it is a kit car.  If the photos *have* been photo-shopped, 
> that could be why.
>
>
>
> PaulH.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> ... but it's pretty clearly an MG -- even
>> the British government thinks so.
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>
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From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Wed Jun 20 01:42:17 2012
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:42:17 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
References: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net><0C8375BC3ED247B294303622D0250824@paul>
	<4FE0A016.2070102@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <B65317542FA843CAADAFB7B3A2A11CBC@paul>

Heritage produce both roadster and GT shells, initially roadsters, then GTs.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I remember a couple of magazine or web articles, in days of yore, 
> wherein MGBs were rebuilt (reconstructed?) on Heritage shells.  AIR they 
> were roadsters.

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Jun 20 01:58:50 2012
From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG LE50
In-Reply-To: <B65317542FA843CAADAFB7B3A2A11CBC@paul>
References: <CBFE218C.3B6E8%mvheim@sonic.net><0C8375BC3ED247B294303622D0250824@paul>
	<4FE0A016.2070102@ktc.com> <B65317542FA843CAADAFB7B3A2A11CBC@paul>
Message-ID: <4FE182BA.2040403@justbrits.com>

<< On 6/20/2012 2:42 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> Heritage produce both roadster and GT shells, initially roadsters, 
> then GTs. >>

And Spridgets (Square Bodys <F>) and late NON-7/8s TRs ! ! !

Ed

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jun 21 07:23:37 2012
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:23:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Mgb-v8] MG
Message-ID: <E1ShhMg-0004xj-S4@theta.look.ca>

Folks,

It looks like out email list has been hacked.  The 
http://cnbc3.com.ua just takes you to one of those scam sites.   It 
would be great if we could all get together and access the web site 
simultaneously and down the barsteward's server with loads of 
messages.   Could Mark organise this or could he use all the email 
addresses (already hacked)  to blast the site - say once every 
hour???  We could start a revolution of fighting back against these 
sods.    I have blasted a sales bod who kept sending me info on his 
wares - so I have sent him HUGE files on what I market.    You tat me 
I tit you !!!



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From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jun 21 09:01:57 2012
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:01:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Engineering on small scale
Message-ID: <E1Shj7h-0002cz-KG@alpha.look.ca>

>Sorry folks.


I know it is not an MG subject - but stuff like this is not to be 
missed 
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Regards,

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From jmc987 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 23 11:31:37 2012
From: jmc987 at verizon.net (Joseph Cianciotti)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:31:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
Message-ID: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>

This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked a
couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. Hooked up
the charger/starter to the battery, waited a couple of minutes and the car
started right up. I measured 13.88v at the battery. Let it run for about a 1/2
hour, the turned it off. Let it sit for another half hour and it started right
up (though it was warm this time). I have a new Bosch alternator in the car.
The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). What do you guys
think? Time for a new battery?

Sorry to ask a non-MG question. But you're the best group of mechanics I know.
Thanks in advance for your sage advice,

Joseph Cianciotti
1967 MGB Roadster
1993 Volvo 240
2004 Subaru Forester

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Jun 23 11:55:39 2012
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:55:39 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA4F66BA36@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>

Two weeks ago, I took my 1974 Toyota Landcruiser for a test drive, the first
in over a month. During the cranking cycle, there was in the middle, a slowing
that I of course ignored although noting it was not normal. When I reached my
destination, the Landcruiser would not start or crank over, as if the battery
was dead. We attempted to jump start it but that also did not work. Until I
played with the cables some. The reason it would not start, even with the
jump, was because there was corrosion and bad connection between the positive
cable itself and battery terminal clamp.

The point of my story is that regardless of whether it's a MGB or any other
car, check and clean the terminals and connectors first and foremost. I
usually replace the battery connectors after several years (probably as often
as batteries). Also clean ground cable connection to chassis. After that,  I
would check electrolyte level of the battery and top up with distilled water.
Only after that would I suspect the battery and have it tested.

I should mention on the above note, I have owned my Landcruiser since 1979 and
after the original alternator and voltage regulator failed (early 90s), I
replaced them with Lucas components which are still working at present.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B
74 Landcruiser FJ40

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Joseph Cianciotti
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:32 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)

This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked a
couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. Hooked up
the charger/starter to the battery, waited a couple of minutes and the car
started right up. I measured 13.88v at the battery. Let it run for about a 1/2
hour, the turned it off. Let it sit for another half hour and it started right
up (though it was warm this time). I have a new Bosch alternator in the car.
The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). What do you guys
think? Time for a new battery?

Sorry to ask a non-MG question. But you're the best group of mechanics I
know.
Thanks in advance for your sage advice,

Joseph Cianciotti
1967 MGB Roadster
1993 Volvo 240
2004 Subaru Forester

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sat Jun 23 12:09:47 2012
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CACOF-TqtcGZmKNwgPUR+EVxzkjv7hVNaaqTbqo72prY-HA6AZQ@mail.gmail.com>

It could be a battery, a draw or the alternator. (I'm assuming the cables
are clean and tight.)
Turn everything off, lock the car and remove the negative battery cable.
 Hook a test light between the cable end and the battery post.  If the
light lights, you have a draw, find it and fix it.
Then let the car sit for at least 4 hours (or overnight even better) with
everything off.
Measure the voltage at the battery before starting the car, and you will
have a good indication of the state of charge of the battery
12.6V or above = fully charged
12.45 = 75% charged
12.25 = 50%
12.00 = 25%
Below 12 Dead player
The alternator is not designed to charge a dead battery, it is designed to
keep a fully charged battery fully charged, or charge a mostly charged
battery.  If the battery measures at 12.25V or below, you need to put it on
a battery charger.
After you charged the battery (if needed) measure the standing voltage
start the car wait about 10 seconds and measure voltage at the battery with
the engine running.  It should be in the 13.5-14.5V range.
If it is above that range you have a bad regulator (built into the
alternator), if it is below you either have a bad alternator, or a voltage
drop in the cables.
To check for a voltage drop, with the engine running and the headlights on,
place one end of your voltmeter on the case of the alternator and the other
end on the battery (-) terminal.  You should measure 0.2V or less.  Above
that and you have a bad ground.  Could be the battery cable, or it could be
the small ground cable from the alternator to the engine block (blue in
color)
If that test is OK, repeat the test going from the alternator output
terminal to the battery (+) terminal.  Again you should be below 0.2V.
If the alternator tests good, and there is no draw, it is probably a bad
battery.
Hope this helps.
Rick

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Cianciotti <jmc987 at verizon.net>wrote:

> This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked
> a
> couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. Hooked
> up
> the charger/starter to the battery, waited a couple of minutes and the car
> started right up. I measured 13.88v at the battery. Let it run for about a
> 1/2
> hour, the turned it off. Let it sit for another half hour and it started
> right
> up (though it was warm this time). I have a new Bosch alternator in the
> car.
> The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). What do you guys
> think? Time for a new battery?
>
> Sorry to ask a non-MG question. But you're the best group of mechanics I
> know.
> Thanks in advance for your sage advice,
>
> Joseph Cianciotti
> 1967 MGB Roadster
> 1993 Volvo 240
> 2004 Subaru Forester
> _______________________________________________
>
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Jun 23 12:10:06 2012
From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4FE6067E.3030106@justbrits.com>

<< On 6/23/2012 12:31 PM, Joseph Cianciotti wrote:

I have a new Bosch alternator in the car. >>

Does NOT necessarily mean a thing, Joe.

<< The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). >>

Date Coder wasn't "picked" to reflect Purchase Date ??

EVERYTHING David C. said = PERFECT ! ! !	<VBG> ! !

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com

PS:  Drive  to AutoZone and ask them to test battery <G> ! !

From mike at duvallvideo.com  Sat Jun 23 12:44:31 2012
From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12.1340474402.16532.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.12.1340474402.16532.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <97F24702-767C-4994-9A09-FE4098FBDA19@duvallvideo.com>

take it to a any place that sells batteries and they will take a battery
tester, put a load on it and get a capacity reading.... it takes 30 seconds
and is free.

On Jun 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked
a
> couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. Hooked
up
> the charger/starter to the battery, waited a couple of minutes and the car
> started right up. I measured 13.88v at the battery. Let it run for about a
1/2
> hour, the turned it off. Let it sit for another half hour and it started
right
> up (though it was warm this time). I have a new Bosch alternator in the
car.
> The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). What do you guys
> think? Time for a new battery?

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Sat Jun 23 13:36:14 2012
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:36:14 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA4F66BA36@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
	<E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA4F66BA36@BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <01bb01cd5177$7392a1c0$5ab7e540$@com>

If you had a real off-road vehicle such as a Land-Rover you could have just
pulled the crank from behind your seat and Bob's your uncle :-)

--
Stephen West-Fisher
N4IK
-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Councill, David
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:56 PM
To: Joseph Cianciotti; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)

Two weeks ago, I took my 1974 Toyota Landcruiser for a test drive, the first
in over a month. During the cranking cycle, there was in the middle, a
slowing that I of course ignored although noting it was not normal. When I
reached my destination, the Landcruiser would not start or crank over, as if
the battery was dead. We attempted to jump start it but that also did not
work. Until I played with the cables some. The reason it would not start,
even with the jump, was because there was corrosion and bad connection
between the positive cable itself and battery terminal clamp.

From jmc987 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 23 14:27:40 2012
From: jmc987 at verizon.net (Joseph Cianciotti)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <CACOF-TqtcGZmKNwgPUR+EVxzkjv7hVNaaqTbqo72prY-HA6AZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
	<CACOF-TqtcGZmKNwgPUR+EVxzkjv7hVNaaqTbqo72prY-HA6AZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7340D1B3-A98C-4819-8F32-8B91EC06A171@verizon.net>

Thanks for the troubleshooting list. I'll take a look at it.

BTW, because of some other chores, I left the car sitting for a while
(somewhere in the vicinity of 4 hours) and now it starts. Wonder if any
members of the Lucas family emigrated to Sweden.

Thanks again,

Joseph



On Jun 23, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> It could be a battery, a draw or the alternator. (I'm assuming the cables
are clean and tight.)
> Turn everything off, lock the car and remove the negative battery cable.
Hook a test light between the cable end and the battery post.  If the light
lights, you have a draw, find it and fix it.
> Then let the car sit for at least 4 hours (or overnight even better) with
everything off.
> Measure the voltage at the battery before starting the car, and you will
have a good indication of the state of charge of the battery
> 12.6V or above = fully charged
> 12.45 = 75% charged
> 12.25 = 50%
> 12.00 = 25%
> Below 12 Dead player
> The alternator is not designed to charge a dead battery, it is designed to
keep a fully charged battery fully charged, or charge a mostly charged
battery.  If the battery measures at 12.25V or below, you need to put it on a
battery charger.
> After you charged the battery (if needed) measure the standing voltage start
the car wait about 10 seconds and measure voltage at the battery with the
engine running.  It should be in the 13.5-14.5V range.
> If it is above that range you have a bad regulator (built into the
alternator), if it is below you either have a bad alternator, or a voltage
drop in the cables.
> To check for a voltage drop, with the engine running and the headlights on,
place one end of your voltmeter on the case of the alternator and the other
end on the battery (-) terminal.  You should measure 0.2V or less.  Above that
and you have a bad ground.  Could be the battery cable, or it could be the
small ground cable from the alternator to the engine block (blue in color)
> If that test is OK, repeat the test going from the alternator output
terminal to the battery (+) terminal.  Again you should be below 0.2V.
> If the alternator tests good, and there is no draw, it is probably a bad
battery.
> Hope this helps.
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Cianciotti <jmc987 at verizon.net>
wrote:
> This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked
a
> couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. Hooked
up
> the charger/starter to the battery, waited a couple of minutes and the car
> started right up. I measured 13.88v at the battery. Let it run for about a
1/2
> hour, the turned it off. Let it sit for another half hour and it started
right
> up (though it was warm this time). I have a new Bosch alternator in the
car.
> The battery is a few years old (I really can't remember). What do you guys
> think? Time for a new battery?
>
> Sorry to ask a non-MG question. But you're the best group of mechanics I
know.
> Thanks in advance for your sage advice,
>
> Joseph Cianciotti
> 1967 MGB Roadster
> 1993 Volvo 240
> 2004 Subaru Forester
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Sat Jun 23 14:37:31 2012
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:37:31 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
In-Reply-To: <7340D1B3-A98C-4819-8F32-8B91EC06A171@verizon.net>
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
	<CACOF-TqtcGZmKNwgPUR+EVxzkjv7hVNaaqTbqo72prY-HA6AZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7340D1B3-A98C-4819-8F32-8B91EC06A171@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <01ef01cd5180$031abc80$09503580$@com>

That's a good list. I'd check the battery cables first, both for good clean
connections on the battery and at the other end of the cable. While you are
at it, make sure the battery posts are not loose. If you have the
aftermarket type battery clamps take them apart and clean the cable and all
parts. I used to have to do this on my truck every few years until I got a
replacement ground cable.
Corrosion can cause some strange intermittent problems.

By the way, after not starting my Saab for two weeks while I was in Honduras
I came back to a discharged battery on Thursday. It could be catching since
the other cars are an MG, Jaguar, and Land-Rover.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
N4IK


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joseph Cianciotti
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:28 PM
To: Richard Ewald
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)

Thanks for the troubleshooting list. I'll take a look at it.

BTW, because of some other chores, I left the car sitting for a while
(somewhere in the vicinity of 4 hours) and now it starts. Wonder if any
members of the Lucas family emigrated to Sweden.

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Sun Jun 24 04:27:33 2012
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:27:33 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Battery/Alternator question (Non-MG)
References: <3CE218C0-05B7-4557-A983-4BD00427C49D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <89DAAB19F82344A1A9D77DA82ECE210E@paul>

Could be all sorts.  Measuring the voltage of a battery off-load doesn't 
really tell you much, although 12 plus immediately after a failed crank 
actually indicates the battery is probably OK, although it could be 
intermittent.  If it happens again put the meter on the battery posts (not 
the clamps) while trying to crank, then on the clamps, then on the body and 
the starter solenoid stud, then on the engine block and the solenoid stud. 
If any of them show very low voltage then the problem lies back towards the 
battery.  If the battery posts show that then the battery *is* knackered. 
Wherever you see 12v or nearly so the problem lies forwards to the starter. 
If you see 12v on the block and the solenoid stud then the problem is in the 
solenoid or starter.  If you see 12v at one test point, but very low voltage 
at the next, then the fault lies between them.

Remember you are testing two connections each time, so if, for example, the 
battery posts are OK but the clamps aren't then it could be either of the 
clamps, so you need to test between one post and the other clamp, then the 
other way round to see which clamp is at fault.  Or simply take both off and 
clean them.

This isn't exhaustive, there could be a bad connection between the earth 
cable and either the clamp or the lug, ditto the battery cable.  You could 
also have more than one fault.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> This morning my non-MG vehicle (1993 Volvo 240) wouldn't start. It cranked 
> a
> couple of times and then died. I measured 12+ volts at the battery. 

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Thu Jun 28 09:34:03 2012
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:34:03 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mark 1 roadster wiper motor
Message-ID: <741280BED103430D92A7247B0A7690E5@paul>

Can anyone describe, or better still point me to photos, of how and where the
mark 1 roadster wiper motor attaches to the bulkhead?

Thanks,
PaulH.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Jun 28 11:44:18 2012
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mark 1 roadster wiper motor
In-Reply-To: <741280BED103430D92A7247B0A7690E5@paul>
References: <741280BED103430D92A7247B0A7690E5@paul>
Message-ID: <201206281744.q5SHiG45023379@nlpi129.prodigy.net>

Uh, mark 1 what?


At 04:34 PM 6/28/2012 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote:
>Can anyone describe, or better still point me to photos, of how and where the
>mark 1 roadster wiper motor attaches to the bulkhead?
>....

From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com  Fri Jun 29 02:01:12 2012
From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:01:12 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mark 1 roadster wiper motor
References: <741280BED103430D92A7247B0A7690E5@paul>
	<201206281744.q5SHiG45023379@nlpi129.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <FB38D217B781493EB86B10EA542E78E2@paul>

Doh, done it again, keep forgetting this isn't just MGBs like the other two 
I copied it to.

MGB.

----- Original Message ----- 

> Uh, mark 1 what?
>
>>Can anyone describe, or better still point me to photos, of how and where 
>>the
>>mark 1 roadster wiper motor attaches to the bulkhead?
>>....

From lrc at red4est.com  Fri Jun 29 12:23:25 2012
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Teardown video
Message-ID: <BEF8E9F4-6B48-45EC-90AC-2A01FAF09027@red4est.com>

MGB teardown video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
--
Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est

From palte at gmx.net  Fri Jun 29 12:45:57 2012
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:45:57 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Teardown video
In-Reply-To: <BEF8E9F4-6B48-45EC-90AC-2A01FAF09027@red4est.com>
References: <BEF8E9F4-6B48-45EC-90AC-2A01FAF09027@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <20120629184557.80160@gmx.net>

Triumph?
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:25 -0700
> Von: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
> An: mgs at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Mgs] Teardown video

> MGB teardown video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
> --
> Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From mgmagnette at aol.com  Fri Jun 29 13:19:49 2012
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (John Elwood)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:19:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Teardown video
In-Reply-To: <20120629184557.80160@gmx.net>
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	<20120629184557.80160@gmx.net>
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Absolutely brilliant, Spitfire aside.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 29, 2012, at 2:45 PM, "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net> wrote:

> Triumph?
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:25 -0700
>> Von: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
>> An: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Betreff: [Mgs] Teardown video
> 
>> MGB teardown video
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
>> --
>> Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
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From allan.thompson at ntlworld.com  Sat Jun 30 14:05:18 2012
From: allan.thompson at ntlworld.com (Thompson Allan)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:05:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 18
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Great - like the left over parts at the end!

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> MGB teardown video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
> --
> Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:45:57 +0200
> From: "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net>
> To: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Teardown video
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> Triumph?
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:25 -0700
> > Von: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
> > An: mgs at autox.team.net
> > Betreff: [Mgs] Teardown video
>
> > MGB teardown video
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
> > --
> > Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com sent from i4est
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:19:49 -0400
> From: John Elwood <mgmagnette at aol.com>
> To: Bert Palte <palte at gmx.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Teardown video
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> Absolutely brilliant, Spitfire aside.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 29, 2012, at 2:45 PM, "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net> wrote:
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> > Triumph?
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:25 -0700
> >> Von: Larry Colen <lrc at red4est.com>
> >> An: mgs at autox.team.net
> >> Betreff: [Mgs] Teardown video
> >
> >> MGB teardown video
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=daVDrGsaDME
> >> --
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