From mgb72 at airmail.net Thu Dec 6 13:41:58 2012 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:41:58 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Grose Jets again References: <50B4EC38.6000902@ktc.com> Message-ID: <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> Testing 123... No messages lately.. Just wondering is anybody out there? -----Original Message----- From: Chad [mailto:mgb72 at airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:08 PM To: 'ccrobins at ktc.com'; 'Barrie Robinson' Cc: 'mgb-v8 at autox.team.net'; 'mgs at autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [Mgs] Grose Jets I am a part of the latter group as well Charley. Chad Cooper '72 B Roadster -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:37 AM To: Barrie Robinson Cc: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Grose Jets Funny thing about those theing: Some people swear by them and some people swear at them. My experience with them puts me in the later group. :-( CR On 11/26/2012 3:01 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Folks, > > I have 4 Grose Jets SU301 for which I would like to find a nice home - > Any offers? I was unable to find a price for them - D & G Valve Inc > do not have a web site - and Moss does not seem to have them ??? > > Regards, > > Barrie Robinson > barrie at look.ca > 705-721-9060 > MGB GT V8 in great nick > Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration > www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm > www.britcot.com > www.AMFClub.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72 at airmail.net From pchast at francomm.com Thu Dec 6 15:23:43 2012 From: pchast at francomm.com (P. Chast) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:23:43 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Grose Jets again In-Reply-To: <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> References: <50B4EC38.6000902@ktc.com> <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> Message-ID: No. Holidays... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:41:58 -0500, Chad wrote: > Testing 123... > > No messages lately.. > Just wondering is anybody out there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad [mailto:mgb72 at airmail.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:08 PM > To: 'ccrobins at ktc.com'; 'Barrie Robinson' > Cc: 'mgb-v8 at autox.team.net'; 'mgs at autox.team.net' > Subject: RE: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > I am a part of the latter group as well Charley. > > Chad Cooper > '72 B Roadster > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:37 AM > To: Barrie Robinson > Cc: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > Funny thing about those theing: Some people swear by them and some people > swear at them. My experience with them puts me in the later group. :-( > > CR > On 11/26/2012 3:01 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> I have 4 Grose Jets SU301 for which I would like to find a nice home - >> Any offers? I was unable to find a price for them - D & G Valve Inc >> do not have a web site - and Moss does not seem to have them ??? >> >> Regards, >> >> Barrie Robinson >> barrie at look.ca >> 705-721-9060 >> MGB GT V8 in great nick >> Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration >> www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm >> www.britcot.com >> www.AMFClub.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72 at airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast at francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mg1948 at verizon.net Thu Dec 6 15:44:37 2012 From: mg1948 at verizon.net (John Marcell) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:37 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Grose Jets again In-Reply-To: <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> References: <50B4EC38.6000902@ktc.com> <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> Message-ID: <8BC6E09A-F2D5-463E-B411-AA772BCCBA3B@verizon.net> Phil's ere in Ark. On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:41 PM, "Chad" wrote: > Testing 123... > > No messages lately.. > Just wondering is anybody out there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad [mailto:mgb72 at airmail.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:08 PM > To: 'ccrobins at ktc.com'; 'Barrie Robinson' > Cc: 'mgb-v8 at autox.team.net'; 'mgs at autox.team.net' > Subject: RE: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > I am a part of the latter group as well Charley. > > Chad Cooper > '72 B Roadster > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:37 AM > To: Barrie Robinson > Cc: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > Funny thing about those theing: Some people swear by them and some people > swear at them. My experience with them puts me in the later group. :-( > > CR > On 11/26/2012 3:01 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> I have 4 Grose Jets SU301 for which I would like to find a nice home - >> Any offers? I was unable to find a price for them - D & G Valve Inc >> do not have a web site - and Moss does not seem to have them ??? >> >> Regards, >> >> Barrie Robinson >> barrie at look.ca >> 705-721-9060 >> MGB GT V8 in great nick >> Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration >> www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm >> www.britcot.com >> www.AMFClub.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72 at airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg1948 at verizon.net From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 16:55:47 2012 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Grose Jets again In-Reply-To: <8BC6E09A-F2D5-463E-B411-AA772BCCBA3B@verizon.net> References: <50B4EC38.6000902@ktc.com> <000001cdd3f2$23799790$6a6cc6b0$@net> <8BC6E09A-F2D5-463E-B411-AA772BCCBA3B@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1354838147.74835.YahooMailNeo@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Plenty of activity on the Yahoo MGB Group..... Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: John Marcell To: Chad Cc: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Grose Jets again Phil's ere in Ark. On Dec 6, 2012, at 2:41 PM, "Chad" wrote: > Testing 123... > > No messages lately.. > Just wondering is anybody out there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad [mailto:mgb72 at airmail.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:08 PM > To: 'ccrobins at ktc.com'; 'Barrie Robinson' > Cc: 'mgb-v8 at autox.team.net'; 'mgs at autox.team.net' > Subject: RE: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > I am a part of the latter group as well Charley. > > Chad Cooper > '72 B Roadster > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:37 AM > To: Barrie Robinson > Cc: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Grose Jets > > Funny thing about those theing: Some people swear by them and some people > swear at them. My experience with them puts me in the later group. :-( > > CR > On 11/26/2012 3:01 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> I have 4 Grose Jets SU301 for which I would like to find a nice home - >> Any offers? I was unable to find a price for them - D & G Valve Inc >> do not have a web site - and Moss does not seem to have them ??? >> >> Regards, >> >> Barrie Robinson >> barrie at look.ca >> 705-721-9060 >> MGB GT V8 in great nick >> Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration >> www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm >> www.britcot.com >> www.AMFClub.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgb72 at airmail.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg1948 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From mvheim at sonic.net Thu Dec 6 18:19:56 2012 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:19:56 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MG activity In-Reply-To: <1354838147.74835.YahooMailNeo@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, my MGB has been inactive for some time, while I have been sorting out the carburetors. Here is a partial rundown of the process so far: [Problem -- solution] Sticky piston -- fitted a different suction chamber; dismantled, cleaned and reassembled both carbs; centered jets. Pulled the pipe out of the jet when refitting -- ordered new jet from Moss. Rear carb not returning to idle -- removed idle cam & spring and reassembled with washers in correct position. Rear carb still not returning to idle -- discovered throttle lever was loose on shaft; peened lever, added washer. Rear carb STILL not returning to idle -- discovered shaft was bulging at ends of butterfly slot, causing it to stick; sanded down shaft to round section. The array is reassembled (again), but between downpours and early sundowns I haven't got them set up or synced yet. Missed a scheduled backroad run on the last sunny weekend, too. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From PRNDL at sonic.net Thu Dec 6 19:44:39 2012 From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:44:39 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Activity Message-ID: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net> Today in Northern California was a beautiful break in the rainy cold weather we've been having. Fired up the MGB and ran around town in it running errands and enjoying the smiles and thumbs up from folks out shopping. I'll never take for granted the gift of the climate I live in that allows me to run my silly little yellow no-top car all year round. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From lincman90 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 6 23:56:17 2012 From: lincman90 at hotmail.com (Tom Daughdrill) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net> References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net> Message-ID: Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave me places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better than ever. It now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being driven. It seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may be! Still miss my Midget, though... Anybody got a good car for sale? Tom From jodyfkerr at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 00:22:34 2012 From: jodyfkerr at gmail.com (Jody Kerr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net> Message-ID: Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars outside. My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint and reassemble. Jody On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Daughdrill wrote: > Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave me > places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better than ever. It > now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being driven. It > seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may be! Still > miss my Midget, though... > Anybody got a good car for sale? > Tom > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams From barrie at look.ca Fri Dec 7 08:02:09 2012 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

Message-ID: Jody, That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead keen on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati - others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more to cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with the MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: >Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars outside. > >My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The >intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's >license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel >system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those >temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish >stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. > >On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 >Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. >But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime >real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the >electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have >the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the >external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint >and reassemble. > >Jody > >On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Daughdrill wrote: > > Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave me > > places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better > than ever. It > > now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being > driven. It > > seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may > be! Still > > miss my Midget, though... > > Anybody got a good car for sale? > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com > > > >-- >http://www.theymightberacing.com/ > >1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) >1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) >1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 >1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 >"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn >from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent >disinclination to do so." >--Douglas Adams >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca 705-721-9060 From jodyfkerr at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 08:38:06 2012 From: jodyfkerr at gmail.com (Jody Kerr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

Message-ID: It's been a lot of fun so far. :) I've had to arrange for her to get her own VB catalogs in the mail, otherwise we fight over the MG one when it arrives. It's also been a good help getting grades up as better grades = higher parts $ bonuses. Here's a video of her introducing her project: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu9jiwR2Rs One tip to any other parents who want to do this: buy the kid their own basic tools (sockets, wrenches, etc) otherwise yours will dissapear! Jody On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Jody, > > That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead keen > on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati - > others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more to > cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with the > MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! > > > > At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: >> >> Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars outside. >> >> My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The >> intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's >> license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel >> system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those >> temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish >> stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. >> >> On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 >> Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. >> But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime >> real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the >> electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have >> the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the >> external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint >> and reassemble. >> >> Jody >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Daughdrill >> wrote: >> > Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave >> > me >> > places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better than ever. >> > It >> > now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being >> > driven. It >> > seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may be! >> > Still >> > miss my Midget, though... >> > Anybody got a good car for sale? >> > Tom >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Mgs at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.theymightberacing.com/ >> >> 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) >> 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) >> 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 >> 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 >> "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn >> from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent >> disinclination to do so." >> --Douglas Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca > > > Regards > > Barrie > barrie at look.ca > 705-721-9060 -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams From palte at gmx.net Fri Dec 7 09:05:45 2012 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

Message-ID: <20121207160545.89500@gmx.net> Hi Jody, Nice daughter, nice project and nice video! One suggestion: buy her quality tools. (Over here: Gedore, Stahlwille, Facom. Over there???) They will last a life time. I was around 16 or 17 when I started working on cars (minimum age for driving license = 18y over here). Bought (myself) nothing but the best I could afford, even in my days as a poor student, considering that the cost of tools is much less than what you save by doing it all yourself. More than 40 years later I still have and use the same tools! Saw something typically American on the video: the levered (?) radiator cap. Have never seen them in Europe, only in the U.S.. What are they called and who makes them? Bert -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:38:06 -0700 > Von: Jody Kerr > An: Barrie Robinson > CC: mgs at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Mgs] Activity > It's been a lot of fun so far. :) > > I've had to arrange for her to get her own VB catalogs in the mail, > otherwise we fight over the MG one when it arrives. It's also been a > good help getting grades up as better grades = higher parts $ bonuses. > > Here's a video of her introducing her project: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu9jiwR2Rs > > One tip to any other parents who want to do this: buy the kid their > own basic tools (sockets, wrenches, etc) otherwise yours will > dissapear! > > Jody > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > > Jody, > > > > That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead > keen > > on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati > - > > others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more > to > > cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with > the > > MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! > > > > > > > > At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: > >> > >> Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars > outside. > >> > >> My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The > >> intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's > >> license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel > >> system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those > >> temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish > >> stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. > >> > >> On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 > >> Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. > >> But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime > >> real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the > >> electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have > >> the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the > >> external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint > >> and reassemble. > >> > >> Jody From jodyfkerr at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 09:13:11 2012 From: jodyfkerr at gmail.com (Jody Kerr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:13:11 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: <20121207160545.89500@gmx.net> References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

<20121207160545.89500@gmx.net> Message-ID: Bert, She still has a bit too much of a propensity to lose tools, so I'm sticking with the cheapo Harbor Freight stuff for now until she stops losing things so easily. Then we'll work on a proper toolkit. The radiator caps over here are vented, that's the function of the lever. The theory is that you pop the lever, it vents and cools down to a safe level before you completely open it. The reality is that you burn yourself on it while removing the cap too quickly causing a coolant fountain to occur at the front of the car as it boils over. :) Jody On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Bert Palte wrote: > Hi Jody, > > Nice daughter, nice project and nice video! > > > One suggestion: buy her quality tools. (Over here: Gedore, Stahlwille, Facom. Over there???) They will last a life time. > > I was around 16 or 17 when I started working on cars (minimum age for driving license = 18y over here). > Bought (myself) nothing but the best I could afford, even in my days as a poor student, considering that the cost of tools is much less than what you save by doing it all yourself. > > More than 40 years later I still have and use the same tools! > > > Saw something typically American on the video: the levered (?) radiator cap. Have never seen them in Europe, only in the U.S.. > > What are they called and who makes them? > > Bert > > > > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> Datum: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:38:06 -0700 >> Von: Jody Kerr >> An: Barrie Robinson >> CC: mgs at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Mgs] Activity > >> It's been a lot of fun so far. :) >> >> I've had to arrange for her to get her own VB catalogs in the mail, >> otherwise we fight over the MG one when it arrives. It's also been a >> good help getting grades up as better grades = higher parts $ bonuses. >> >> Here's a video of her introducing her project: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu9jiwR2Rs >> >> One tip to any other parents who want to do this: buy the kid their >> own basic tools (sockets, wrenches, etc) otherwise yours will >> dissapear! >> >> Jody >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> > Jody, >> > >> > That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead >> keen >> > on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati >> - >> > others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more >> to >> > cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with >> the >> > MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! >> > >> > >> > >> > At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: >> >> >> >> Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars >> outside. >> >> >> >> My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The >> >> intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's >> >> license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel >> >> system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those >> >> temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish >> >> stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. >> >> >> >> On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 >> >> Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. >> >> But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime >> >> real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the >> >> electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have >> >> the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the >> >> external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint >> >> and reassemble. >> >> >> >> Jody > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams From rolindsay at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 17:29:09 2012 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Ring groove width tolerance Message-ID: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, When it comes to technical issues beyond my knowledge, I turn to you guys, independent of the engine manufacturer. The engine I'm building is a Lotus-Ford Twin Cam from a '65 Elan S2. Here's the story and the question; Bore = 3.250" First compression ring = 0.083" ring groove width, ring is designed for 0.078" width. Second compression ring = 0.079" ring groove width, which is within spec. Oil ring = correct. Lotus specifies that the groove width limit is 0.080" but that's for a new engine. My question is whether 0.005" is a little too large for an engine destined for mild street motoring (with a few moments of spirited driving tossed in). Or am I going to have to source custom rings? :-o Thanks in advance for any and all advice. Respond off-list if desired. -rick From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 7 18:10:46 2012 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:10:46 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Ring groove width tolerance In-Reply-To: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50C29396.5060101@sbcglobal.net> Rick, I don't have any Ford/Lotus references but all the ones I have suggest that .005" is the upper limit for piston ring side clearance. Custom rings might be an alternative but the ring grooves in the pistons will have to be machined to true them up. New pistons may end up being a cheaper and easier alternative. Regards, Charles Hill On 12/7/2012 6:29 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > When it comes to technical issues beyond my knowledge, I turn to you guys, independent of the engine manufacturer. The engine I'm building is a Lotus-Ford Twin Cam from a '65 Elan S2. Here's the story and the question; > > Bore = 3.250" > > First compression ring = 0.083" ring groove width, ring is designed for 0.078" width. > > Second compression ring = 0.079" ring groove width, which is within spec. > > Oil ring = correct. > > Lotus specifies that the groove width limit is 0.080" but that's for a new engine. My question is whether 0.005" is a little too large for an engine destined for mild street motoring (with a few moments of spirited driving tossed in). Or am I going to have to source custom rings? :-o > > Thanks in advance for any and all advice. Respond off-list if desired. > > -rick From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Dec 8 06:19:05 2012 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:19:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

Message-ID: <50C33E49.5060609@ktc.com> Nice video. You mentioned that the air filters were missing. I do believe I glimpsed them in the seating area. CR On 12/7/2012 9:38 AM, Jody Kerr wrote: > It's been a lot of fun so far. :) > > I've had to arrange for her to get her own VB catalogs in the mail, > otherwise we fight over the MG one when it arrives. It's also been a > good help getting grades up as better grades = higher parts $ bonuses. > > Here's a video of her introducing her project: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu9jiwR2Rs > > One tip to any other parents who want to do this: buy the kid their > own basic tools (sockets, wrenches, etc) otherwise yours will > dissapear! > > Jody > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Jody, >> >> That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead keen >> on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati - >> others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more to >> cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with the >> MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! >> >> >> >> At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: >>> Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars outside. >>> >>> My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The >>> intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's >>> license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel >>> system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those >>> temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish >>> stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. >>> >>> On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 >>> Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. >>> But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime >>> real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the >>> electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have >>> the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the >>> external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint >>> and reassemble. >>> >>> Jody >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Daughdrill >>> wrote: >>>> Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave >>>> me >>>> places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better than ever. >>>> It >>>> now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being >>>> driven. It >>>> seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may be! >>>> Still >>>> miss my Midget, though... >>>> Anybody got a good car for sale? >>>> Tom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.theymightberacing.com/ >>> >>> 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) >>> 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) >>> 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 >>> 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 >>> "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn >>> from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent >>> disinclination to do so." >>> --Douglas Adams >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca >> >> Regards >> >> Barrie >> barrie at look.ca >> 705-721-9060 From ptrmgb at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 07:22:17 2012 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 08:22:17 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Activity In-Reply-To: <50C33E49.5060609@ktc.com> References: <9CC0475A-79FA-49AD-8190-A5F6DA22677B@sonic.net>

<50C33E49.5060609@ktc.com> Message-ID: <3B28A1A3-265C-42C8-9354-D985082FB1C8@gmail.com> I definitely did. On Dec 8, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Nice video. You mentioned that the air filters were missing. I do believe I glimpsed them in the seating area. > > CR > > On 12/7/2012 9:38 AM, Jody Kerr wrote: >> It's been a lot of fun so far. :) >> >> I've had to arrange for her to get her own VB catalogs in the mail, >> otherwise we fight over the MG one when it arrives. It's also been a >> good help getting grades up as better grades = higher parts $ bonuses. >> >> Here's a video of her introducing her project: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu9jiwR2Rs >> >> One tip to any other parents who want to do this: buy the kid their >> own basic tools (sockets, wrenches, etc) otherwise yours will >> dissapear! >> >> Jody >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>> Jody, >>> >>> That is brilliant! - about your daughter I mean. My daughter was dead keen >>> on my cars and she was the only one who wanted to drive my old Maserati - >>> others were scared of its power. But now my granddaughter leans more to >>> cars than my grandson. I have a delightful photo of her helping me with the >>> MGB GT V8 when when was about 11. Give your daughter a hug from me !! >>> >>> >>> >>> At 12:22 AM 12/7/2012 -0700, Jody Kerr wrote: >>>> Here in Arizona it's finally getting cool enough to work on cars outside. >>>> >>>> My daughter (13) is working on her first restoration, a 1970 MGB. The >>>> intent is that she gets it finished by the time she gets her driver's >>>> license. Before the summer got too hot we pulled the exhaust, the fuel >>>> system and the exterior lights. Recently we contructed one of those >>>> temporary garages from Harbor Freight over the car and she'll finish >>>> stripping the interior next. Hopefully over Christmas break. >>>> >>>> On the not so MG side (but still very MG) I'm tearing through a '69 >>>> Sprite right now that was supposed to be her mum's first restoration. >>>> But, now we're expecting, so I got left with this car taking up prime >>>> real estate in my garage. Right now I'm stripping and restoring the >>>> electrical system and dash. Next is the carbs. Should hopefully have >>>> the engine/tranny out, last of the bolted on bits off, and the >>>> external sheetmetal off the car by Christmas. Then it's blast, paint >>>> and reassemble. >>>> >>>> Jody >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Daughdrill >>>> wrote: >>>>> Been trying to enjoy driving the wife's '79 MGB. The car tends to leave >>>>> me >>>>> places, but, with enough recent "fiddling", it is been better than ever. >>>>> It >>>>> now starts easily enough, doesn't stall, and seems to enjoy being >>>>> driven. It >>>>> seems to have always wanted to be a pleasant car, and now, it may be! >>>>> Still >>>>> miss my Midget, though... >>>>> Anybody got a good car for sale? >>>>> Tom >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jodyfkerr at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.theymightberacing.com/ >>>> >>>> 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) >>>> 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) >>>> 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) 1981 Triumph TR8 >>>> 1970 MG MGB 1980 Triumph TR7 >>>> "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn >>>> from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent >>>> disinclination to do so." >>>> --Douglas Adams >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Barrie >>> barrie at look.ca >>> 705-721-9060 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From frankk12 at verizon.net Sat Dec 8 07:30:23 2012 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 09:30:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Ring groove width tolerance References: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76284348FB2545CB973C2B90FF91C0C9@frankdcczr6l6k> Rick I once had a 65 Elan S2 and still have the factory issued shop and parts manuals. If you think those tolerances are listed in there I will check for you. They are in my library of shop manuals that go back eons. I sold the cars buit always kept the shop manuals for ever car I ever owned. Let me know if the list can't provide the help you seek. I am surprised Barney hasn't responded. Even tho it's not an A he seems to be knowledgable about many more cars that As. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Lindsay" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:29 PM Subject: [Mgs] Ring groove width tolerance > Hello Friends, > > When it comes to technical issues beyond my knowledge, I turn to you guys, > independent of the engine manufacturer. The engine I'm building is a > Lotus-Ford Twin Cam from a '65 Elan S2. Here's the story and the > question; > > Bore = 3.250" > > First compression ring = 0.083" ring groove width, ring is designed for > 0.078" width. > > Second compression ring = 0.079" ring groove width, which is within spec. > > Oil ring = correct. > > Lotus specifies that the groove width limit is 0.080" but that's for a new > engine. My question is whether 0.005" is a little too large for an engine > destined for mild street motoring (with a few moments of spirited driving > tossed in). Or am I going to have to source custom rings? :-o > > Thanks in advance for any and all advice. Respond off-list if desired. > > -rick > _______________________________________________ From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 8 08:08:42 2012 From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 09:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Ring groove width tolerance In-Reply-To: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1354926549.9433.YahooMailClassic@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50C357FA.6070601@justbrits.com> << On 12/7/2012 6:29 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: Thanks in advance for any and all advice. >> First question, Rick What is gap after rings installed? ? 2nd: Block bored out ? a] org. stock size ? b] oversize is now what ? 3rd: Using org pistons ? Ed From mark at bradakis.com Sun Dec 9 11:37:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:37:54 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Archive search Message-ID: <50C4DA82.7010909@bradakis.com> It should be working better. Link below. mjb. From palte at gmx.net Mon Dec 10 12:07:27 2012 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:07:27 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan H's Day Message-ID: <20121210190728.08F7A406EC@smtp10.online.nl> for those that were around in 1996, Don't trt to contact me, I'm out of the office. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 12:10:55 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan H's Day In-Reply-To: <20121210190728.08F7A406EC@smtp10.online.nl> References: <20121210190728.08F7A406EC@smtp10.online.nl> Message-ID: <50C633BF.6050306@bradakis.com> Bert Palte wrote: > for those that were around in 1996, > > Don't trt to contact me, I'm out of the office. Thanks for the laugh. Of course it wasn't too funny while I was frantically working on stopping it! mjb. From jello at cableone.net Mon Dec 10 13:33:10 2012 From: jello at cableone.net (PHIL BATES) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Happy Dan H's Day In-Reply-To: <20121210190728.08F7A406EC@smtp10.online.nl> References: <20121210190728.08F7A406EC@smtp10.online.nl> Message-ID: I remember Dan Hughs (sp?) day!! On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bert Palte wrote: > for those that were around in 1996, > > Don't trt to contact me, I'm out of the office. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jello at cableone.net From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net Tue Dec 11 09:43:54 2012 From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (sdesalvo at frontiernet.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant Message-ID: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas to all. I just read an article on Evan's Waterless Coolant and wonder what experiences any of you have with the product. I have a AH 100-4 that sometimes runs hotter than I think it should and wonder if the product is worth the $40 per gallon price. Thanks in advance for any responses. Sam From ptrmgb at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 10:10:13 2012 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:10:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant In-Reply-To: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know anything about the product. But if your car is running too hot, you should address the problem with it. Go through the cooling system. Is the radiator flowing properly, is the water pump working properly? Is the block clogged? Is the thermostat functioning? Is the fan ok? Is there a missing shroud. Don't treat a symptom, treat the problem. Also, remember that the gauges on our old cars are showing what's actually happening, instead of electronically moved to 'N' and then not moved regardless. If you aren't loosing fluid, you aren't overheating. Paul. On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:43 AM, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net wrote: > Merry Christmas to all. > I just read an article on Evan's Waterless Coolant > and wonder what experiences any of you have with the product. I have a AH > 100-4 that sometimes runs hotter than I think it should and wonder if the > product is worth the $40 per gallon price. Thanks in advance for any > responses. > Sam > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From dave at ranteer.com Tue Dec 11 10:37:08 2012 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:37:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant In-Reply-To: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <076008B1D4F244088CF77A22BFA03648@Datsun> imho that is way too expensive a product to put in a british car. highly likely at some point it will end up on the ground listen to Paul - good advice. get an infra red temp reader to ascertain true temps -----Original Message----- From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:43 AM To: healey list ; mg list Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant Merry Christmas to all. I just read an article on Evan's Waterless Coolant and wonder what experiences any of you have with the product. I have a AH 100-4 that sometimes runs hotter than I think it should and wonder if the product is worth the $40 per gallon price. Thanks in advance for any responses. Sam From mgmagnette at aol.com Tue Dec 11 11:11:25 2012 From: mgmagnette at aol.com (John) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:11:25 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant In-Reply-To: <076008B1D4F244088CF77A22BFA03648@Datsun> References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <076008B1D4F244088CF77A22BFA03648@Datsun> Message-ID: <76C1F4B7-07CB-4306-98D5-84ED471D2BEA@aol.com> Assuming its not a gauge issue... You may live near a radiator shop that can do a rod-out/clean out. The guy near me just did my MG 1100 for $60. They take the end tanks out and poke rods through the holes to get the crap out. Sometimes they are plugged up so bad they need a new core, then you're talking $300+ depending on how big. Find a place that uses Maine Radiator cores. Between your presumably original end caps and their old style cores nobody will ever know its not original. From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Tue Dec 11 12:20:52 2012 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:20:52 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic Message-ID: <001401cdd7d4$a2f7f490$e8e7ddb0$@planet.nl> Nice Christmas gift. Cheers, Hans who still prefers his 71 BGT NRYNO Motors Monocycle RYNO Motors Monocycle NRYNO Motors Monocycle RYNO Motors Monocycle From barneymg at mgaguru.com Tue Dec 11 12:22:20 2012 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:22:20 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant In-Reply-To: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201212111922.qBBJMMfg025964@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Great advertising, isn't it? Just two words. Forget it. If you think it is running too hot now, it is likely to run hotter with Evans Waterless Coolant. This stuff has much lower specific heat, meaning it carries less heat for a given temperature rise. Stated another way, it needs higher temperature rise to carry away the same amount of waste heat from your engine to the radiator. It is very similar to using 100% glycol based antifreeze with no water. Bad news in hot weather. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 08:43 AM 12/11/2012 -0800, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net wrote: >.... >I just read an article on Evan's Waterless Coolant and wonder what >experiences any of you have with the product. I have a AH 100-4 that >sometimes runs hotter than I think it should and wonder if the >product is worth the $40 per gallon price. .... From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Dec 11 12:34:41 2012 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic In-Reply-To: <001401cdd7d4$a2f7f490$e8e7ddb0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: Maybe for your worst enemy. I saw this earlier. Strikes me as a deathtrap. Not fast enough to mix it up with traffic, not legal on the sidewalk or bicycle lanes, much less rider protection than a motorcycle, inherently unstable under braking. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/11/12 11:20 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote: > Nice Christmas gift. > > Cheers, > > Hans who still prefers his 71 BGT > > NRYNO Motors Monocycle > > RYNO Motors Monocycle > NRYNO Motors Monocycle > > > RYNO Motors Monocycle From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 14:49:07 2012 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic In-Reply-To: References: <001401cdd7d4$a2f7f490$e8e7ddb0$@planet.nl> Message-ID: <1355262547.66092.YahooMailNeo@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> But pretty cool nonetheless..... Dan D ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic Maybe for your worst enemy. I saw this earlier. Strikes me as a deathtrap. Not fast enough to mix it up with traffic, not legal on the sidewalk or bicycle lanes, much less rider protection than a motorcycle, inherently unstable under braking. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/11/12 11:20 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote: > Nice Christmas gift. > > Cheers, > > Hans who still prefers his 71 BGT > > NRYNO Motors Monocycle > > RYNO Motors Monocycle > NRYNO Motors Monocycle > > > RYNO Motors Monocycle _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From mvheim at sonic.net Tue Dec 11 15:03:42 2012 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:03:42 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic In-Reply-To: <1355262547.66092.YahooMailNeo@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the traditional monowheel is cooler, although it shares many of the same deficiencies (and some additional issues). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monowheel -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/11/12 1:49 PM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase at yahoo.com wrote: > But pretty cool nonetheless..... > > Dan D > > > > ________________________________ > From: Max Heim > To: MG List > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] ONE WHEEL MOTOR CYCLE -- off topic > > Maybe for your worst enemy. I saw this earlier. Strikes me as a deathtrap. > Not fast enough to mix it up with traffic, not legal on the sidewalk or > bicycle lanes, much less rider protection than a motorcycle, inherently > unstable under braking. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > on 12/11/12 11:20 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote: > >> Nice Christmas gift. > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans who still prefers his 71 BGT > >> >> NRYNO Motors Monocycle > >> >> RYNO Motors Monocycle > >> NRYNO Motors Monocycle > >> >> >> RYNO Motors Monocycle From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Wed Dec 12 01:34:16 2012 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:34:16 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522DC943C6D4444FB796ABD7186BDAC9@paul> If it's not steaming or losing coolant, it's not overheating. Unlike modern cars where the temperature gauge is 'modified' so that it stays in the same place through all normal variations in temperature, it's quite normal for this era of car to go up and down according to conditions. I've seen both my V8 and roadster on the edge of the H zone in very warm weather and neither lost any coolant. If it's fluctuating, or high in cool weather, then that is a cause for investigation, not trying a different coolant. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... I have a AH > 100-4 that sometimes runs hotter than I think it should ... From mvheim at sonic.net Wed Dec 12 14:14:19 2012 From: mvheim at sonic.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:14:19 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MG activity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention the other little problem: in re-tightening the front "lever & pin", I broke the bolt. Of course I couldn't find an exact replacement at the hardware store -- the nut was some odd size that neither 5/16 or 11/32 fit effectively (I assume that was 21/64, but WHY????). So I grabbed a pair of metric bolts that take an 8mm perfectly (a pair, so that the same socket would fit both). I also ordered a new unit from Moss, but when it arrived I refused to put it on the car -- it was just too cheesy (yes, even cheesier than using metric hardware). The piece was just a bent stamping -- instead of the pressed-in round pin, it had a bent flat tab. I wasn't convinced that it would actuate simultaneously with the other pin, based on the completely different shape. Plus, it just looked cheap, like it was from a Geo Metro (my baseline for cheap construction -- everything on that car was a cheap stamping, including the axle nuts). Anyway, it's all back together, tuned and test-run. During this process, I discovered that the heater valve control cable had become detached. The set screw was spinning in the cable clamp, but a new screw seemed to fix that. While I was at it, I thought I would try to center the steering wheel, which had been bugging me -- it was a tooth off-center. But in order to undo the nut, I had to remove the horn button, and starting this procedure brought to mind the problems I had had installing the new steering wheel, which was slightly thicker. Anyway, the three set screws around the edge of the hub all had stripped slots. I managed to back one out purely using friction. Then I unbolted the wheel from the adapter by removing the perimeter screws. I couldn't remove the wheel, which was still trapped by the horn button, but it gave me enough wiggle room to rotate the button and pry it off. Then I loosened the center nut and removed the hub, and took it to my workbench to get the stripped set screws out. I managed to remove two of them and fab up replacements -- the horn button has a notch, so it can be slipped on over a single fixed set screw. I had marked the hub position, so I refitted it one tooth over, got the wheel back together and tested the horn, which operated no more erratically then previously. So I chalked that up as a win. But if I actually want to drive it anywhere, I suppose I need to bow to the calendar and fit the hardtop. Today, for instance, started off sunny, then featured a succession of torrential downpours, many with the sun still shining. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/6/12 5:19 PM, Max Heim at mvheim at sonic.net wrote: > Well, my MGB has been inactive for some time, while I have been sorting out > the carburetors. Here is a partial rundown of the process so far: > > [Problem -- solution] > Sticky piston -- fitted a different suction chamber; dismantled, cleaned and > reassembled both carbs; centered jets. > Pulled the pipe out of the jet when refitting -- ordered new jet from Moss. > Rear carb not returning to idle -- removed idle cam & spring and reassembled > with washers in correct position. > Rear carb still not returning to idle -- discovered throttle lever was loose > on shaft; peened lever, added washer. > Rear carb STILL not returning to idle -- discovered shaft was bulging at > ends of butterfly slot, causing it to stick; sanded down shaft to round > section. > > The array is reassembled (again), but between downpours and early sundowns I > haven't got them set up or synced yet. > > Missed a scheduled backroad run on the last sunny weekend, too. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires From barrie at look.ca Sat Dec 15 09:54:00 2012 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Magazines Message-ID: I have years and years of Classic and Sportscar magazines of which I am getting rid. I tried to donate them but they will not accept stuff over a year old !! Ebay is out as is other such outlets. So before they go, if anyone wants any particular month back quite a while - let me know. Regards, Barrie Robinson barrie at look.ca 705-721-9060 MGB GT V8 in great nick Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm www.britcot.com www.AMFClub.com From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 22 07:59:16 2012 From: shop at justbrits.com (" Just Brits " Shop) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:59:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] NLBC - Value ONLY question ! ! ! In-Reply-To: <50D55EEE.8080801@justbrits.com> References: <50D55EEE.8080801@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <50D5CAC4.1020004@justbrits.com> > Now I think most of you know I'm an El Camino man. > > So when I got the following link from www.BarnFinds.com TITLED (as): > > "The Strangest eBay Listing EVER ......" ! The NON-forwardable > (pictures) eMail SAYS: > > "We have read a lot of eBay listings, but we just found the most > unusual one ever. This Cadillac is weird enough, but it looks tame > in comparison to the seller's description of what the vehicle will > do for you. Take a look at "the listing" for yourself and after you > pick yourself up off the floor, come back and find out who built > this monstrosity." > > I HAD to check it out (even tho I knew WHAT it was) at: > http://tinyurl.com/cdsbj3d > ( CAN'T give full url as it gives things away ) > ---the above tiny url is the BarnFind DIRECT-to-Articlr url --- > > Now on the above page and almost at the bottom of the "BarnFind" > page is a link "the listing" - DO NOT CLICK YET ! Click on the > SAME link in 1st paragrapgh AFTER reading entire page and it > WILL take you to the eBay ( SOLD ) page. Me thinks BUYER made a SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS ***KILLING*** ! ! ! ! ! Just totally "CLEANED" UP and I'd **BET** that she would bring $500,000.00 at Phoenix Barrett-Jackson Auction in the Spring (or better ?) ! ? ! ? ! Especially if has some charity got a hold of it ! ! An 'outside' a "real looking of a different car" brochure is here: http://tinyurl.com/bs63unu And for a couple other examples: http://tinyurl.com/c3d6z3c* * Whatca think ! ! !* *Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: Not for me - LOL - I'll stick-to Chevy (& maybe a GMC) versions) ! ! @ * * From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 12:19:08 2012 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:19:08 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant In-Reply-To: <522DC943C6D4444FB796ABD7186BDAC9@paul> References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <522DC943C6D4444FB796ABD7186BDAC9@paul> Message-ID: I have had the temperature gauge on my MGA showing about 100 lbs (look carefully at an MGA temp/oil dial to see what I mean). Didn't seem to be a problem. I run a non-standard 14 lb radiator cap and I did not notice any great water loss. Simon On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:34 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > If it's not steaming or losing coolant, it's not overheating. Unlike > modern cars where the temperature gauge is 'modified' so that it stays in > the same place through all normal variations in temperature, it's quite > normal for this era of car to go up and down according to conditions. I've > seen both my V8 and roadster on the edge of the H zone in very warm weather > and neither lost any coolant. If it's fluctuating, or high in cool > weather, then that is a cause for investigation, not trying a different > coolant. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> ... I have a AH >> 100-4 that sometimes runs hotter than I think it should ... >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@ > **gmail.com From paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com Sun Dec 23 04:15:49 2012 From: paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com (PaulHunt73) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:15:49 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Evan's waterless coolant References: <1355244234.30399.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><522DC943C6D4444FB796ABD7186BDAC9@paul> Message-ID: Me too, I've seen the V8 with its temp needle at 60psi :o) Although that was from steam from a blocked steam pipe, not the actual coolant temperature. ----- Original Message ----- I have had the temperature gauge on my MGA showing about 100 lbs (look carefully at an MGA temp/oil dial to see what I mean). From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 14:58:14 2012 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:58:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] When the quest becomes tough... Message-ID: <1356299894.62307.YahooMailClassic@web185001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ...I tend to ask my MG friends - even for non-MG quests! :-) I'm rebuilding a friends Lotus-Ford TwinCam engine from his '65 Elan. I'm having trouble sourcing the correct oil filter cartridge for this engine. Here's the back story; Many of these engines have seen long life and the pumps have been changed to the later spin-on filter design. This engine died early on and sat for 15+ years. It still has the original pump in excellent condition, and we want to keep it. The problem is that there was a design change between the first cartridge element and the spin on design, resulting in an intermediate cartridge - and the intermediate is by far, the more readily available element. Our engine needs the first, early design. Can (and if so, will) any of you kind folks who have played with the Lotus TwinC or the little Fords using this same bottom end, please offer a filter number? Thanks, in advance, and Merry Christmas! -rick / MG-less, at the moment