From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun May  1 07:35:00 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Paint care
References: <955PDCsKA0160S01.1304102246@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <08A490BD72B14F7D89CB53022A638117@paul>

Depends on the polish, most are a one-step oxidisation removal and wax 
giving the typical 'water bubble' effect.  Meguiars do have a polish and an 
optional liquid wax finishing coat, but unless your paint finish is liquid 
smooth (mine isn't) the latter is a waste of time and money.

Red pigments suffer more from oxidisation than blue/green.  However I would 
never use an orbital polisher on red cellulose if that is what you have, it 
is too soft.  Even hand polishing gets a worrying amount of pigment onto the 
cloth, although after 21 years there is only one tiny spot of undercoat 
showing through, on one of the raised seams between wing and screen scuttle. 
Polish type is also very variable, I've never used Meguiars but Turtle 
original (white cream) removes quite a bit and gives a good gloss, Turtle 
modern (clear liquid) removes hardly any but only gives a dull finish. 
AutoGlym (white cream popular with concourse) is a good compromise between 
the two.  Mer didn't take any colour off, can't remember the finish as I 
stopped using it many years ago as white streaks kept appearing in seams 
etc. for weeks afterwards.  The 'water bubble' effect can also be damaging 
on soft pigments, leaving white blobs if you get a shower then strong 
sunlight.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> My understanding is that the car polish is to cut through and remove the
> oxidised layer, and then I need to wax the car to make it shiny and 
> protect
> the newly-exposed paint. Am I on the right track?

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sun May  1 11:41:06 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:41:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik+rXr62=AemCGK9w7tTxgXqtumpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik+rXr62=AemCGK9w7tTxgXqtumpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>

On 4/30/2011 10:23 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8481095/Russia-and-Ukraine-squabble-over-fairytale-characters.html
The car in question was called the Old Speckled One, or "Old Speckled 'Un." The similarity to the fairytale character has caused some confusion.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 13:22:45 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 5/1/11, The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com> wrote:

> The car in question was called the Old Speckled One, or
> "Old Speckled 'Un." The similarity to the fairytale
> character has caused some confusion.

I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
reference to this car I've read refers to it as
"Old Specked Hen."

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Sun May  1 13:41:56 2011
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 15:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] How often to change fluids
In-Reply-To: <4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTik+rXr62=AemCGK9w7tTxgXqtumpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110501154156.y6cw7f940kg4s000@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>

Hi all,

    I adhere to changing the oil and filter of my B every year, and  
maybe the brake fluid every 2 years.

I don't know about changing the fluid in the tranny.  How often should  
that fluid be changed? And what should I use, SAE 90 weight is one  
that I read about.

Bill Saidel
'76B
BMCSNJ

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun May  1 14:04:52 2011
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:04:52 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] How often to change fluids
Message-ID: <f197.5f3236b3.3aef16e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 01/05/2011 12:53:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
saidel at camden.rutgers.edu writes:

I don't  know about changing the fluid in the tranny.  How often should   
that fluid be changed? And what should I use, SAE 90 weight is one   
that I read about.




Change it every 20 years and use 30 wt. engine oil.
 
Bill

From montejane at gmail.com  Sun May  1 15:30:26 2011
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
Message-ID: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>

I remember using some product the list recommended for restoring rubber
bumpers to a black finish; one that did NOT whiten over time like the
silicon containing products. I used it and the bumpers on my 79B have been a
shiny black for many years now.
What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I remember correctly.

My Dodge pickup bumpers have whitened (I used a silicon based product) and
need restored. How do I remove the "white" oxidation before applying the
above recommended product?
Thanks,
Monte 79B

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  1 15:54:16 2011
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57531F47190343419E9A4CC0086230FC@HomePC>

Mother's Back-to-Black?



-----Original Message----- 
From: Monte/Jane Morris
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:30 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers

I remember using some product the list recommended for restoring rubber
bumpers to a black finish; one that did NOT whiten over time like the
silicon containing products. I used it and the bumpers on my 79B have been a
shiny black for many years now.
What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I remember correctly.

My Dodge pickup bumpers have whitened (I used a silicon based product) and
need restored. How do I remove the "white" oxidation before applying the
above recommended product?
Thanks,
Monte 79B
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sun May  1 16:33:26 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 17:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>

<< What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I
remember correctly. >>

Archives, Monte !?!

LINK at bottom of every post <G> !

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun May  1 16:37:00 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:37:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D5E1BED-9FD1-48A5-816F-3923465C4B6E@gmail.com>

Mother's Back to Black

On May 1, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Monte/Jane Morris wrote:

> I remember using some product the list recommended for restoring rubber
> bumpers to a black finish; one that did NOT whiten over time like the
> silicon containing products. I used it and the bumpers on my 79B have been
a
> shiny black for many years now.
> What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I remember correctly.
>
> My Dodge pickup bumpers have whitened (I used a silicon based product) and
> need restored. How do I remove the "white" oxidation before applying the
> above recommended product?
> Thanks,
> Monte 79B
> _______________________________________________
>
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  1 17:20:47 2011
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:20:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC>

Bad day, ED?

It was a simple damn question.




-----Original Message----- 
From: Shop at " Just Brits "
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 5:33 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] rubber bumpers

<< What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I
remember correctly. >>

Archives, Monte !?!

LINK at bottom of every post <G> !
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sun May  1 17:31:55 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 18:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>
	<44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC>
Message-ID: <4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>

<< Bad day, ED? >>

Not until YOU decided to get surly ?!?  WTF ?

<< It was a simple damn question. >>

PLAINLY FOR YOU with SIMPLE MIND !
Geesh.

My reply was a LOT better than if I had recalled incorrectly.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  1 17:55:31 2011
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>
	<44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC>
	<4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <CD1E528F17DE4DEE9526F1138374F0A2@HomePC>

Watch yourself, Ed.  I didn't insult you and I expect the same back. 
Understand?




-----Original Message----- 
From: Shop at " Just Brits "
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:31 PM
To: Larry Daniels
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] rubber bumpers

<< Bad day, ED? >>

Not until YOU decided to get surly ?!?  WTF ?

<< It was a simple damn question. >>

PLAINLY FOR YOU with SIMPLE MIND !
Geesh.

My reply was a LOT better than if I had recalled incorrectly.

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Sun May  1 18:03:25 2011
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:03:25 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com>
	<44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC>
	<4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <01876BD8-B61D-45B2-870F-5BEC190CE6DC@ghs.com.au>

Now Children, play nicely or you'll be sent to the naughty corner.......

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 02/05/2011, at 9:31 AM, Shop at Just Brits wrote:

> << Bad day, ED? >>
> 
> Not until YOU decided to get surly ?!?  WTF ?
> 
> << It was a simple damn question. >>
> 
> PLAINLY FOR YOU with SIMPLE MIND !
> Geesh.
> 
> My reply was a LOT better than if I had recalled incorrectly.
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun May  1 18:36:26 2011
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:36:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <01876BD8-B61D-45B2-870F-5BEC190CE6DC@ghs.com.au>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com><4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com><44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC><4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com>
	<01876BD8-B61D-45B2-870F-5BEC190CE6DC@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <4215C81752644C9EBCFFF1419E4A309D@ranteer.local>

Ed is rude, and makes plenty of uncalled for comments in this list and on
the T list.  He was kicked off the T list but managed to get back on.

he has offended me and plenty of other listers.

he should not be on either list.

I have set my spam filter to delete his posts so I donbt get his crap; I
suggest you all do the same.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Murray Arundell
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:03 PM
To: Shop at Just Brits
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] rubber bumpers

Now Children, play nicely or you'll be sent to the naughty corner.......

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 02/05/2011, at 9:31 AM, Shop at Just Brits wrote:

> << Bad day, ED? >>
>
> Not until YOU decided to get surly ?!?  WTF ?
>
> << It was a simple damn question. >>
>
> PLAINLY FOR YOU with SIMPLE MIND !
> Geesh.
>
> My reply was a LOT better than if I had recalled incorrectly. 

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sun May  1 19:13:31 2011
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
In-Reply-To: <4215C81752644C9EBCFFF1419E4A309D@ranteer.local>
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com><4DBDDFB6.3050607@justbrits.com><44A48D51EBDF4A91A2CF42A6E3C39F43@HomePC><4DBDED6B.8010908@justbrits.com><01876BD8-B61D-45B2-870F-5BEC190CE6DC@ghs.com.au>
	<4215C81752644C9EBCFFF1419E4A309D@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <0585AE31FFDB4B909B8F67E8AFEFC492@stargate>

Ed is Ed, he's probably  been kicked off more lists that most of us have 
been on.  Nonetheless, he does have a wealth of knowledge, and is willing to 
share.
However, one must be careful how they ask...

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:36 PM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] rubber bumpers

> Ed is rude, and makes plenty of uncalled for comments in this list and on
> the T list.  He was kicked off the T list but managed to get back on.
>
> he has offended me and plenty of other listers.
>
> he should not be on either list.
>
> I have set my spam filter to delete his posts so I donbt get his crap; I
> suggest you all do the same.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Murray Arundell
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:03 PM
> To: Shop at Just Brits
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
>
> Now Children, play nicely or you'll be sent to the naughty corner.......
>
> Murray Arundell
> Brisbane Australia
>
> On 02/05/2011, at 9:31 AM, Shop at Just Brits wrote:
>
>> << Bad day, ED? >>
>>
>> Not until YOU decided to get surly ?!?  WTF ?
>>
>> << It was a simple damn question. >>
>>
>> PLAINLY FOR YOU with SIMPLE MIND !
>> Geesh.
>>
>> My reply was a LOT better than if I had recalled incorrectly.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun May  1 19:19:42 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 20:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>
	<41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <368238.91474.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

See here: http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/history.html


At 12:22 PM 5/1/2011 -0700, David Breneman wrote:
>--- On Sun, 5/1/11, The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The car in question was called the Old Speckled One, or
> > "Old Speckled 'Un." The similarity to the fairytale
> > character has caused some confusion.
>
>I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
>reference to this car I've read refers to it as
>"Old Specked Hen."

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Sun May  1 19:53:16 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 02:53:16 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Paint care
Message-ID: <459PeBB1q3360S01.1304301196@web01.cms.usa.net>

My car is indeed red. Not 40+ year old cellulose paint, but much more recent.
The car was "restored" before I purchased it, and I suspect that they paint
is
about 8 years old. I have no clue whether it is cellulose or something more
modern.

Some of the brands mentioned by Paul I remember from Halfords, but I'm not
sure if O'Reilly's will have them here in the southern USA. I went to the
Autoglym website and clicked on the "store locator", and it suggested
Canadian
Tire...

Douglas
'70 MGB-GT

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sun May  1 21:53:07 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 22:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DBE2AA3.9030902@gmail.com>

On 5/1/2011 2:22 PM, David Breneman wrote:
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, The Roxter<rocknatural at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> The car in question was called the Old Speckled One, or
>> "Old Speckled 'Un." The similarity to the fairytale
>> character has caused some confusion.
> I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
> reference to this car I've read refers to it as
> "Old Specked Hen."
I promise you, the information is correct. It's more or less common knowledge in the UK.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sun May  1 21:57:58 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 22:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>

On 5/1/2011 2:22 PM, David Breneman wrote:
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, The Roxter<rocknatural at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> The car in question was called the Old Speckled One, or
>> "Old Speckled 'Un." The similarity to the fairytale
>> character has caused some confusion.
> I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
> reference to this car I've read refers to it as
> "Old Specked Hen."
http://www.hotelresortinsider.com/news_story.php?news_id=1190&cat_id=10

http://www.the-river-thames.co.uk/abingdon.htm

-Rocky Frisco
--

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon May  2 02:03:09 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:03:09 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] How often to change fluids
References: <BANLkTik+rXr62=AemCGK9w7tTxgXqtumpQ@mail.gmail.com><4DBD9B32.7040505@gmail.com>
	<20110501154156.y6cw7f940kg4s000@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <2863FAC3C610441B986AB458F1AC4C3E@paul>

Factory recommendation was 2 years or 24k, same as the rear axle.  But 
unlike engine oil it doesn't degrade from contamination and as said you can 
probably go for years.  Only the V8 has 90wt *gear* oil in the gearbox, the 
4-cylinder has the same oil as the engine which depends on the local 
temperature range, nominally 20W/50.  The axle takes 90wt *differential* 
oil, this is different to gear oil.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I don't know about changing the fluid in the tranny.  How often should 
> that fluid be changed? And what should I use, SAE 90 weight is one  that I 
> read about.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon May  2 01:59:15 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 08:59:15 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7CC9B592C42947A89145403F2BAB4E2B@paul>

'Speckled' from either a show car painted in gold fleck and (not 
surprisingly) never sold, or a factory runabout spattered with paint spots 
depending to which account you read.  Any number of references to this - 
http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=old+speckled+un

Difficult to see a reason why a car would have been called a 'speckled hen', 
and when naming a beer for the 50th anniversary it would have made no sense 
to anyone else to call it 'Old Speckled 'Un'.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
> reference to this car I've read refers to it as
> "Old Specked Hen."

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon May  2 02:07:44 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:07:44 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] rubber bumpers
References: <BANLkTimVxmMfox8sHvy3ZC0pUMUkfOTPPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <768D8C69ECBA4ABBA33725C8B8C56545@paul>

I use Turtle Black Chrome, finding it was ArmorAll that went chalky in a 
very short time, as well as taking ages and many applications to get a shine 
to start with.  You do need to be as careful keeping Black Chrome off 
adjacent paintwork, as much as keeping body polish off the bumpers.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I remember using some product the list recommended for restoring rubber
> bumpers to a black finish; one that did NOT whiten over time like the
> silicon containing products. I used it and the bumpers on my 79B have been 
> a
> shiny black for many years now.
> What was that product? It had "black" in the name if I remember correctly.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Mon May  2 06:41:54 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <7CC9B592C42947A89145403F2BAB4E2B@paul>
Message-ID: <987373.67166.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 5/2/11, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> > I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before. 
> > Every
> > reference to
this car I've read refers to it as
> > "Old Specked Hen."
> >
> 'Speckled'
from either a show car
> painted in gold fleck and (not surprisingly) never
sold, or
> a factory runabout spattered with paint spots depending to
> which
account you read. 

"Specked" above is a typo.  I meant speckled hen.

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Mon May  2 07:33:35 2011
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 08:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] In Defense of Ed
Message-ID: <BANLkTim_zavMwqMnyja4A_9FGDmre0U-Kg@mail.gmail.com>

In the past Ed has been most rude to his fellow listers. If you think he was
bad on the list, I should have saved and posted some of the off list rants
he savaged me with.

BUT, something has happened to Ed. He disappeared from the list for a while
and returned an gentler, kinder Ed. I suspect they adjusted his medication.
He isn't nearly as rude as he used to be.

And yes, at one time he was kicked off both the MG and Healey lists.

Be kind to Ed.

Jack

From eric at erickson.on.net  Mon May  2 07:50:31 2011
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 23:20:31 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] In Defense of Ed
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim_zavMwqMnyja4A_9FGDmre0U-Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim_zavMwqMnyja4A_9FGDmre0U-Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031CCBF9-70DF-4315-9DFA-B583E8654CB3@erickson.on.net>

On 02/05/2011, at 11:03 PM, Jack Feldman wrote:
> BUT, something has happened to Ed. He disappeared from the list for a while
> and returned an gentler, kinder Ed. I suspect they adjusted his medication.
> He isn't nearly as rude as he used to be.


Now you are REALLY asking for it!

;-)

From kgrowler at gmail.com  Mon May  2 09:16:15 2011
From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:16:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] How often to change fluids
Message-ID: <BANLkTimCzPMZ1VvqimCGm2-5=AoZ2EoTFw@mail.gmail.com>

Paul Hunt wrote:

<<<Only the V8 has 90wt *gear* oil in the gearbox, the
4-cylinder has the same oil as the engine which depends on the local
temperature range, nominally 20W/50.>>>

Don't forget the 1500 Midget also uses 90 wt.

From mgbnutt at aol.com  Mon May  2 11:25:39 2011
From: mgbnutt at aol.com (mgbnutt at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>

Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC advice:
(Please respond off-list)

My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000 miles.  Does
anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end bearings
without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost me about $150
and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)

I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best, but
this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking for a cheap
fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another vehicle.  Any
suggestions greatly appreciated!

BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I was just
hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of procedure.

Thanks!

Donny V
1978 MGB
2002 Saab 9-3 (not running)
2004 Volvo XC90

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Mon May  2 11:54:35 2011
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:54:35 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
Message-ID: <232e2.3fd58f7a.3af049db@aol.com>

Don't even waste the time unless you measure the journals and make sure  
they aren't tapered or ovalled.  Otherwise it will just be wasted time and  
money.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:46:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgbnutt at aol.com writes:

I  realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best,  
but
this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking  for a cheap
fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another  vehicle.  Any
suggestions greatly  appreciated!

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon May  2 11:55:00 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 12:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <7CC9B592C42947A89145403F2BAB4E2B@paul>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7CC9B592C42947A89145403F2BAB4E2B@paul>
Message-ID: <4DBEEFF4.3020303@gmail.com>

On 5/2/2011 2:59 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 'Speckled' from either a show car painted in gold fleck and (not 
> surprisingly) never sold, or a factory runabout spattered with paint 
> spots depending to which account you read.  Any number of references 
> to this - 
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=old+speckled+un
>
> Difficult to see a reason why a car would have been called a 
> 'speckled hen', and when naming a beer for the 50th anniversary it 
> would have made no sense to anyone else to call it 'Old Speckled 'Un'.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before.  Every
>> reference to this car I've read refers to it as
>> "Old Specked Hen." 
http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/history.html

-Rocky Frisco
--

From alan.costich at pictometry.com  Mon May  2 13:04:42 2011
From: alan.costich at pictometry.com (Alan Costich)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:04:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
Message-ID: <9282779AF656A047BE65F330F91F16032543E7CCA6@Aurora>

>>>>>BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience -
>>>> I was just hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this
sort of procedure.
Well, yes, I have!
A number of years ago I had a proper Mini what had an 850 cc motor in it.
In the process of restoring the car ( I had bought it out of a junk yard)
I spun a big end bearing. I went to MiniCity and bought one (!) big end
bearing.
Pulled the rod cap off, pushed the rod up the cylinder, filed and honed the
burr off the crank, slapped it back together and drove it (hard) for a couple
more years.
Of course, I had to lift the motor out and off the tranny to accomplish the
task.

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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon May  2 13:34:18 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 14:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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On 5/2/2011 12:25 PM, mgbnutt at aol.com wrote:
> Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC advice:
> (Please respond off-list)
>
> My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000 miles.  Does
> anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end bearings
> without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost me about $150
> and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)
>
> I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best, but
> this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking for a cheap
> fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another vehicle.  Any
> suggestions greatly appreciated!
>
> BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I was just
> hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of procedure.
The only successful application of this idea I ever saw was a mechanic friend in Ontario who removed the head and oil pan and pistons and rods from an engine in place and then used a belt to smooth the journals that were damaged by running the abrasive and polishing belts down through the bores while spinning the engine on the starter. The belts were supported from above by his hands and wide rubber bands. I thought at the time that it would have been easier to do a standard overhaul. Back in those days, it was sometimes possible to buy slightly undersized bearings to accomodate this sort of work. I would bet that they are no longer available. It might be possible to just install new bearings and get a few miles more, but if you have been hearing that knock for any significant amount of time, I doubt it.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon May  2 13:37:09 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:37:09 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <4DBEEFF4.3020303@gmail.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<7CC9B592C42947A89145403F2BAB4E2B@paul>,
	<4DBEEFF4.3020303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W332DA1352116AF90B0886BB79F0@phx.gbl>

>From the horse's mouth, with a photo of the "Owld Speckl'd un'":

http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/history.html

I have had the pleasure of drinking hand-pumped cask-conditioned Old Speckled
Hen at a tiny pub on the south coast of England. As good as the bottled &
kegged stuff that we get here is, it is a hollow immitation of the "real"
stuff.

-Mike Eldred
Wilmington, VT

> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:55:00 -0500
> From: rocknatural at gmail.com
> To: Mgs at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
>
> On 5/2/2011 2:59 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> > 'Speckled' from either a show car painted in gold fleck and (not
> > surprisingly) never sold, or a factory runabout spattered with paint
> > spots depending to which account you read. Any number of references
> > to this -
> >
http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=old+speckled+u
n
> >
> > Difficult to see a reason why a car would have been called a
> > 'speckled hen', and when naming a beer for the 50th anniversary it
> > would have made no sense to anyone else to call it 'Old Speckled 'Un'.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> I've never heard "Old Speckled One" before. Every
> >> reference to this car I've read refers to it as
> >> "Old Specked Hen."
> http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/history.html
>
> -Rocky Frisco
> --
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon May  2 14:37:59 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 15:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <9282779AF656A047BE65F330F91F16032543E7CCA6@Aurora>
References: <9282779AF656A047BE65F330F91F16032543E7CCA6@Aurora>
Message-ID: <4DBF1627.2060504@gmail.com>

On 5/2/2011 2:04 PM, Alan Costich wrote:
>>>>>> BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience -
>>>>> I was just hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this
> sort of procedure.
> Well, yes, I have!
> A number of years ago I had a proper Mini what had an 850 cc motor in it.
> In the process of restoring the car ( I had bought it out of a junk yard)
> I spun a big end bearing. I went to MiniCity and bought one (!) big end
> bearing.
> Pulled the rod cap off, pushed the rod up the cylinder, filed and honed the
> burr off the crank, slapped it back together and drove it (hard) for a couple
> more years.
> Of course, I had to lift the motor out and off the tranny to accomplish the
> task.
My opinion: this is far more likely to work with mains than with rods.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon May  2 16:34:08 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:34:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <232e2.3fd58f7a.3af049db@aol.com>
References: <232e2.3fd58f7a.3af049db@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EC0FE939-115B-463E-99B9-0647B2F56C78@gmail.com>

I have seen this done successfully a few times over the years. It if far from
a optimal solution but I have seen it work on American Motors, Peugots, and
Volvos.
If the bearing journal is rough try this. Get a roll of fine emery cloth. Tear
off about 36 inches, and then a strip about 3/8" wide from that piece. Wrap
the strip 1 full time around the crank and polish away.
Good luck
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2011, at 10:54, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Don't even waste the time unless you measure the journals and make sure
> they aren't tapered or ovalled.  Otherwise it will just be wasted time and
> money.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:46:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mgbnutt at aol.com writes:
>
> I  realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best,
> but

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Tue May  3 06:15:44 2011
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:15:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
	<8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <018001cc098b$d42b66a0$7c8233e0$@com>

I've got a '99 93, I'd pull the engine just to make the job easier. I'd also
be concerned at what else you found in there, rod(s) could be bad, crank
through, etc.

It's very comforting to know you got 203K out of it, mine is only at 80K.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
N4IK

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mgbnutt at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:26 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question

Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC advice:
(Please respond off-list)

My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000 miles.  Does
anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end bearings
without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost me about
$150
and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)

I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best, but
this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking for a cheap
fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another vehicle.  Any
suggestions greatly appreciated!

BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I was just
hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of
procedure.

Thanks!

Donny V
1978 MGB
2002 Saab 9-3 (not running)
2004 Volvo XC90
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue May  3 06:39:38 2011
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:39:38 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <018001cc098b$d42b66a0$7c8233e0$@com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
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	<018001cc098b$d42b66a0$7c8233e0$@com>
Message-ID: <00E08802-4906-45AF-BDA2-0307B8174A87@ghs.com.au>

Tend to agree with Stephen.  Pulling the engine is going to make the job
easier.  Leaving it in place makes it much more difficult and provides plenty
of scope to make an error which will negate the entire process....

Murray Arundell

On 03/05/2011, at 10:15 PM, Stephen West-Fisher wrote:

> I've got a '99 93, I'd pull the engine just to make the job easier. I'd
also
> be concerned at what else you found in there, rod(s) could be bad, crank
> through, etc.
>
> It's very comforting to know you got 203K out of it, mine is only at 80K.
>
> --
> Stephen West-Fisher
> N4IK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of mgbnutt at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:26 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
>
> Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC
advice:
> (Please respond off-list)
>
> My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000 miles.  Does
> anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end bearings
> without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost me about
> $150
> and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)
>
> I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at best, but
> this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking for a cheap
> fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another vehicle.  Any
> suggestions greatly appreciated!
>
> BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I was just
> hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of
> procedure.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Donny V
> 1978 MGB
> 2002 Saab 9-3 (not running)
> 2004 Volvo XC90
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>
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From palte at gmx.net  Tue May  3 06:55:27 2011
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 14:55:27 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
	<8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110503125527.237990@gmx.net>

>I'm just looking for a cheap fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles 
> until I can buy another vehicle.  Any suggestions greatly appreciated!

Boy am I glad I won't be buying this car off you!



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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Tue May  3 07:37:57 2011
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:37:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <00E08802-4906-45AF-BDA2-0307B8174A87@ghs.com.au>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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	<00E08802-4906-45AF-BDA2-0307B8174A87@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <FC1B3FDC-13B1-440B-8882-9EEE45EACAE2@ece.rochester.edu>

It is whole LOT of  effort for 1000 miles. add some heaver oil and  
find a new car.
On May 3, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Murray Arundell wrote:

> Tend to agree with Stephen.  Pulling the engine is going to make the  
> job
> easier.  Leaving it in place makes it much more difficult and  
> provides plenty
> of scope to make an error which will negate the entire process....
>
> Murray Arundell
>
> On 03/05/2011, at 10:15 PM, Stephen West-Fisher wrote:
>
>> I've got a '99 93, I'd pull the engine just to make the job easier.  
>> I'd
> also
>> be concerned at what else you found in there, rod(s) could be bad,  
>> crank
>> through, etc.
>>
>> It's very comforting to know you got 203K out of it, mine is only  
>> at 80K.
>>
>> --
>> Stephen West-Fisher
>> N4IK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of mgbnutt at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:26 PM
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
>>
>> Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC
> advice:
>> (Please respond off-list)
>>
>> My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000 miles.   
>> Does
>> anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end  
>> bearings
>> without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost me  
>> about
>> $150
>> and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)
>>
>> I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at  
>> best, but
>> this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking for  
>> a cheap
>> fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another  
>> vehicle.  Any
>> suggestions greatly appreciated!
>>
>> BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I  
>> was just
>> hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of
>> procedure.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Donny V
>> 1978 MGB
>> 2002 Saab 9-3 (not running)
>> 2004 Volvo XC90
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Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester	
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627
585-275-5226

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue May  3 16:43:46 2011
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:43:46 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
In-Reply-To: <FC1B3FDC-13B1-440B-8882-9EEE45EACAE2@ece.rochester.edu>
References: <41096.47436.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DBE2BC6.9080700@gmail.com>
	<8CDD7051490AB77-7BC-B51C@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
	<018001cc098b$d42b66a0$7c8233e0$@com>
	<00E08802-4906-45AF-BDA2-0307B8174A87@ghs.com.au>
	<FC1B3FDC-13B1-440B-8882-9EEE45EACAE2@ece.rochester.edu>
Message-ID: <F92DE198-33DB-4B81-A350-B4AC7FD63B1D@ghs.com.au>

Paul,

Had not thought of that...... an even better suggestion.

Murray

On 03/05/2011, at 11:37 PM, Paul Osborne wrote:

> It is whole LOT of  effort for 1000 miles. add some heaver oil and  
> find a new car.
> On May 3, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Murray Arundell wrote:
>
>> Tend to agree with Stephen.  Pulling the engine is going to make  
>> the job
>> easier.  Leaving it in place makes it much more difficult and  
>> provides plenty
>> of scope to make an error which will negate the entire process....
>>
>> Murray Arundell
>>
>> On 03/05/2011, at 10:15 PM, Stephen West-Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a '99 93, I'd pull the engine just to make the job  
>>> easier. I'd
>> also
>>> be concerned at what else you found in there, rod(s) could be bad,  
>>> crank
>>> through, etc.
>>>
>>> It's very comforting to know you got 203K out of it, mine is only  
>>> at 80K.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen West-Fisher
>>> N4IK
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs- 
>>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>> Behalf Of mgbnutt at aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:26 PM
>>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Mgs] Non-LBC question
>>>
>>> Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I need some non-LBC
>> advice:
>>> (Please respond off-list)
>>>
>>> My 2002 Saab 9-3 has a developed a bad rod knock at 203,000  
>>> miles.  Does
>>> anyone have any experience (successfully) replacing the lower end  
>>> bearings
>>> without pulling the engine from the car?  (New bearing will cost  
>>> me about
>>> $150
>>> and a used engine swap is looking to be about $3500.)
>>>
>>> I realize that "flying in" new bearings is an 'iffy" procedure at  
>>> best, but
>>> this is not meant to be a long term solution.  I'm just looking  
>>> for a cheap
>>> fix so I can drive a few 1,000 miles until I can buy another  
>>> vehicle.  Any
>>> suggestions greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> BTW - You don't necessarily have to have had Saab experience - I  
>>> was just
>>> hoping someone on the list had successfully performed this sort of
>>> procedure.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Donny V
>>> 1978 MGB
>>> 2002 Saab 9-3 (not running)
>>> 2004 Volvo XC90
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Murray G. Arundell
>> Managing Director
>> GHS Pty Ltd
>> Glaziers Hardware Supplies
>> Brisbane, Australia
>> Phone:  +617 3277 1255
>> Fax:      +617 3875 1256
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>
> Paul Osborne
> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
> University of Rochester	
> 201 Hopeman Build RC
> Rochester NY 14627
> 585-275-5226

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  4 02:10:07 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:10:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
References: <987373.67166.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D1530B23E000493BBCD6EA63310F5B67@paul>

Makes no difference, it was the 'hen' part I was questioning.  Ironically 
the Morland's link describes the paint-spattered origin, but appears to show 
the gold-flecked car.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> "Specked" above is a typo.  I meant speckled hen.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed May  4 07:47:25 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <D1530B23E000493BBCD6EA63310F5B67@paul>
Message-ID: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Makes no difference, it was the 'hen'
> part I was questioning.

Me, too.  I didn't want to add to the confusion.  The
first time I heard "Ol' Speckled 'Un" was in the literature
for the beer, so I assumed that "'un" was a colloquial
pronunciation for "hen", since I had heard "Old Speckled
Hen" years before the beer came out.  "Old speckled one"
makes no sense without the definite article "the", but
"Old Speckled Hen" refers to a well-known fairy tale,
and so it make much more sense as a nickname.  That was
the gist of my inquiry.  All this rationalizing doesn't
make it the proper etymology of the phrase, but it
explains my surprise at hearing "Old Speckled ONE" for
the first time, here.

From dave at ranteer.com  Wed May  4 08:35:46 2011
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Off Topic - Tuscaloosa
In-Reply-To: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD9F2BBAC706419984EB519116AC4A0D@ranteer.local>

My son is a student at the university of alabama in tuscaloosa.  the city 
was truly devastated.  he took shelter with many other students in the 
basement of the library last wednesday evening.  with the power still out 
thursday morning, he drove home to dallas.  we were obviously glad to see 
him.

he is selling T Shirts to raise money for the restoration effort, and has 
put together this website:  www.PrayforTTown.com

thanks!

MG topic - he works on our MGB and TD with me and enjoys driving them 

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu May  5 11:57:38 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 10:57:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
Message-ID: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For those that have been around this list for a while, you might enjoy
this.....

http://jalopnik.com/5798761/how-to-stop-cats-pissing-on-your-car

 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter:
dandibiase

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Thu May  5 12:38:18 2011
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:38:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
In-Reply-To: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>

Hilarious! So much more inventive than the .22 calibre solution offered by
some posters. I hope this doesn't start the cats thread all over again.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:58 PM
To: MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars

For those that have been around this list for a while, you might enjoy
this.....

http://jalopnik.com/5798761/how-to-stop-cats-pissing-on-your-car

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu May  5 13:46:41 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 14:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
In-Reply-To: <A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <4DC2FEA1.1010606@gmail.com>

On 5/5/2011 1:38 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
> Hilarious! So much more inventive than the .22 calibre solution offered by
> some posters. I hope this doesn't start the cats thread all over again.
I have never, not ever, not even once, had a cat piss on anything like a car or a door.


-Rocky Frisco
--

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu May  5 15:48:55 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 16:48:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
In-Reply-To: <A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <4DC31B47.1060608@justbrits.com>

<< ...the .22 calibre solution... >>

I prefer and so do LOTS of folks I know, a .357 with buckshot, Dave.

MUCH more "positive" result(s) !!!

Ed

PS:  And I taught eberybody knowed dat ? ! ?

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Thu May  5 19:21:59 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 21:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
In-Reply-To: <4DC2FEA1.1010606@gmail.com>
References: <61897.12838.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<A314D07605EE43DAAED961545298C390@YOURF3E40984A8>,
	<4DC2FEA1.1010606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W3133EC90056A167550B868B7830@phx.gbl>

No, me either.  But the neighbor's dog used to think my driver's side rear
tire was a great place to "mark his territory."
I asked the neighbor if that was his yellow dog that I kept seeing lifting his
leg on my car.  "Nope," he said.  "I never let my dog run loose."
"Good," I said.  "Then you won't mind when I shoot it."

Never saw the dog on my property again.

 -Mike Eldred
Wilmington, VT


> Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:46:41 -0500
> From: rocknatural at gmail.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
>
> On 5/5/2011 1:38 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
> > Hilarious! So much more inventive than the .22 calibre solution offered
by
> > some posters. I hope this doesn't start the cats thread all over again.
> I have never, not ever, not even once, had a cat piss on anything like a car
or a door.
>
>
> -Rocky Frisco
> --
> _______________________________________________
>
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From lapierrem at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  6 06:35:51 2011
From: lapierrem at sbcglobal.net (Mark LaPierre)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 08:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
Message-ID: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>

I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So far
its
Speckled Hens and Cats.

I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
preps.

Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?

Mark

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Fri May  6 07:02:24 2011
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:02:24 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
Message-ID: <CBB42F115F994316A7B05B36276B8CFE@stargate>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mark LaPierre" <lapierrem at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 8:35 AM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff

> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So far
> its
> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>
> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
> preps.
>
> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________

It would help if you could be just a bit more specific, but here's one for 
ya...

Always position the cluster gear in the transmission case prior to 
installing the first motion shaft.

Gordie
'62 MGA (w/trans nearly back together) 

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri May  6 07:13:17 2011
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 22:43:17 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
Message-ID: <3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>

On 06/05/2011, at 10:05 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So far
> its
> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>
> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
> preps.
>
> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>

Well, you asked about dropping a 'B engine into an 'A  - I guess everyone is
hanging back waiting for someone with experience/expertise in that area to
pipe up.

I don't have that expertise.

With a little Googling I found:

http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mga2.htm

http://tinyurl.com/5stv3su

From barrie at look.ca  Fri May  6 08:30:45 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (barrie at look.ca)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
	<3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <9d5096ebcdaa917eeac2bb1379f8f1a4@webmail.look.ca>

> On 06/05/2011, at 10:05 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>
>> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So
>> far
>> its
>> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>>
>> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
>> preps.
>>
>> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>>
>
> Well, you asked about dropping a 'B engine into an 'A  - I guess everyone
> is
> hanging back waiting for someone with experience/expertise in that area to
> pipe up.
>
> I don't have that expertise.
>
> With a little Googling I found:
>
> http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mga2.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5stv3su
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri May  6 08:30:44 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (barrie at look.ca)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
	<3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <a17d6de980c6e2c8aae1b6af6b928501@webmail.look.ca>

> On 06/05/2011, at 10:05 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>
>> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So
>> far
>> its
>> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>>
>> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
>> preps.
>>
>> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>>
>
> Well, you asked about dropping a 'B engine into an 'A  - I guess everyone
> is
> hanging back waiting for someone with experience/expertise in that area to
> pipe up.
>
> I don't have that expertise.
>
> With a little Googling I found:
>
> http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mga2.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5stv3su
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From mgbob at juno.com  Fri May  6 08:29:58 2011
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:29:58 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
Message-ID: <20110506.102958.18908.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

  Better knock on wood.   Here in New England, they delight in doing it.Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>
To: 'MG List' <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cats n Cars
Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 14:46:41 -0500

On 5/5/2011 1:38 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
> Hilarious! So much more inventive than the .22 calibre solution offered by
> some posters. I hope this doesn't start the cats thread all over again.
I have never, not ever, not even once, had a cat piss on anything like a car
or a door.


-Rocky Frisco
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri May  6 08:42:32 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (barrie at look.ca)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
	<3679FC3B-F7C0-4F0C-9E15-62FC800E2A4C@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <9de4180ba6d12764a824c3a61d8ad5a4@webmail.look.ca>

If you are going to go non-original why not go for a modern engine such as
Honda, Toyoto, Cosworth Ford, or Coventry-Climax......aaaahhhhhhh!     You
can get low mileage units from specialists in used engines


> On 06/05/2011, at 10:05 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>
>> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So
>> far
>> its
>> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>>
>> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
>> preps.
>>
>> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>>
>
> Well, you asked about dropping a 'B engine into an 'A  - I guess everyone
> is
> hanging back waiting for someone with experience/expertise in that area to
> pipe up.
>
> I don't have that expertise.
>
> With a little Googling I found:
>
> http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mga2.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5stv3su
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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From shop at justbrits.com  Fri May  6 09:14:35 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 10:14:35 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
Message-ID: <4DC4105B.9030409@justbrits.com>

ROTF...............

<< Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives, right ED? >>

LMAO, Mark !!!!!!!!!         Tnx <G> !

BTW, whilst perusing them, pay closest attention to the
'entries' from Barney Gaylord & Kelvin Dodd <VBG> !!!
And Barney's site [ http://mgaguru.com/ ] is one of the
BEST on the www <G> !!!  And especially for you as he IS
the Guru of MGA !

Me [ STILL LOLing ]

PS:  Couple 'A' parts F.S. on my site !!

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Fri May  6 13:47:31 2011
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 14:47:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
In-Reply-To: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DC45053.4050605@ktc.com>

Well, maybe it was "old speckled  'en."

CR

On 5/4/2011 8:47 AM, David Breneman wrote:
> --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Paul Hunt<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Makes no difference, it was the 'hen'
>> part I was questioning.
>>      
> Me, too.  I didn't want to add to the confusion.  The
> first time I heard "Ol' Speckled 'Un" was in the literature
> for the beer, so I assumed that "'un" was a colloquial
> pronunciation for "hen", since I had heard "Old Speckled
> Hen" years before the beer came out.  "Old speckled one"
> makes no sense without the definite article "the", but
> "Old Speckled Hen" refers to a well-known fairy tale,
> and so it make much more sense as a nickname.  That was
> the gist of my inquiry.  All this rationalizing doesn't
> make it the proper etymology of the phrase, but it
> explains my surprise at hearing "Old Speckled ONE" for
> the first time, here.
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Fri May  6 22:53:01 2011
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:53:01 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] High tech stuff
In-Reply-To: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
References: <001001cc0bea$230c1930$4001a8c0@markl946cfrd7q>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinuUN678S=bJRz6PEE7gqZk9G0iQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Well, here is some advice:

when towing, always disconnect the propshaft!
[ducks and runs for cover]

Simon

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Mark LaPierre <lapierrem at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I came over to this list to get some ideas on MGA do's and don'ts.  So far
> its
> Speckled Hens and Cats.
>
> I would even settle for more high tech stuff like Q-tip usage and vinyl
> preps.
>
> Guess I can always catch up reading the Archives,  right ED?
>
> Mark
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat May  7 04:28:47 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 11:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Origin of speckled hen?
References: <635492.69610.qm@web112103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4DC45053.4050605@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <894CEAAA24124D7BAB421D7E325DEBB7@paul>

That's the beer, not the car.  "'Un" is a very common contraction for 'One' 
in British English, at least.  It's also very common to use 'one' (often 
shortened to 'un) as a generic suffix when talking about things, places or 
people e.g. "The Big One" for the Pepsi Max ride at Blackpool or the 
expected large earthquake in California, or "little'un" or "little'uns" for 
a small child or group of children.  My grandparents had a sea-side chalet 
named "Ersanisun", i.e. "'Ers an' 'is 'un" i.e. "Hers and his one".

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Well, maybe it was "old speckled  'en."

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Mon May  9 16:32:06 2011
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan
Message-ID: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>

I received an email concerning an auction of MG Parts to be held in
Melvindale, MI on May 21st.  Pictures of tons of stuff at
http://tinyurl.com/6acfzzb

No interest etc

Rick
 Webmaster for:
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
Registers
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register
  http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts

From don at napanet.net  Mon May  9 17:45:27 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 16:45:27 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan
In-Reply-To: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
References: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
Message-ID: <20110509234549.05CEEAE752@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

This was some poor fellow's treasure of stuff.  Misfortune came his 
way; chances are he passed on.

Makes a person think about what happens to all the accumulated cars, 
parts, and tools when they exit planet earth.  Oh, I forgot, all the 
car magazines and books are another thing for whoever is left to "dispose" of.


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars



At 03:32 PM 5/9/2011, Rick Brown wrote:
>I received an email concerning an auction of MG Parts to be held in
>Melvindale, MI on May 21st.  Pictures of tons of stuff at
>http://tinyurl.com/6acfzzb
>
>No interest etc
>
>Rick
>  Webmaster for:
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
>Registers
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register
>   http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts
>_______________________________________________

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu May 12 20:04:40 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan
In-Reply-To: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
References: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
Message-ID: <4DCC91B8.5040000@justbrits.com>

<< ...Melvindale, MI... >>

Used to drive by there on/off [ "bad" area" ] generally in route to
the site of a shooting and/or traffic accident in my Ambulance
before and during the development of the EMT Program [ as it is
NOW known <G> !!] !!

<sigh>

That was also "back when" Fisher Body made ALL Limo & Ambulance
Chassis in [ called ] Dearborn <G> !!  Covered THAT Plant's Industrial
Accidents, etc. ALSO <G> !!

Tnx for [ SERIOUS ] "memories", Rick <G> !!Ed

From ronking at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 13 23:47:05 2011
From: ronking at sbcglobal.net (Ron King)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:47:05 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan
In-Reply-To: <20110509234549.05CEEAE752@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
	<20110509234549.05CEEAE752@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <064a01cc11fa$5b58e370$120aaa50$@net>

Sad in a way, especially if most of the stuff gets thrown away.  Seems there
should be a "car trust" our beneficiaries can donate our stuff to

Ron King
'71 MGB


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:45 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan

This was some poor fellow's treasure of stuff.  Misfortune came his 
way; chances are he passed on.

Makes a person think about what happens to all the accumulated cars, 
parts, and tools when they exit planet earth.  Oh, I forgot, all the 
car magazines and books are another thing for whoever is left to "dispose"
of.


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars



At 03:32 PM 5/9/2011, Rick Brown wrote:
>I received an email concerning an auction of MG Parts to be held in
>Melvindale, MI on May 21st.  Pictures of tons of stuff at
>http://tinyurl.com/6acfzzb
>
>No interest etc
>
>Rick
>  Webmaster for:
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
>Registers
>   http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register
>   http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts
>_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________

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From lapierrem at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 14 06:52:17 2011
From: lapierrem at sbcglobal.net (mark lapierre)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:52:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Assembly goo overload
Message-ID: <357681.81565.qm@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Its been awhile since I have shopped the Eng/ Car assembly adhesives.  Now
there
is Blue,  Copper,  Black, High temp, Med. temp, 1B, 2B, and of course our
favorite Halomar
( I still have 3 tubes left)
 
Its sensory overload.   Is there one product that will work for intake
gaskets, and eng.
covers, that you can apply and fly and not have to let  dry and retorque  that
they suggest?
 
The guys  on the weekend gear head shows seem to lean toward the Lock Tite
brands
which I couldn't find at all.  Our stores carry Permatex.
 
Sorry if this is a repeat,  I may not have been paying attention before.
 
Mark

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sat May 14 09:51:31 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan
In-Reply-To: <064a01cc11fa$5b58e370$120aaa50$@net>
References: <DB18A6CBE08041BF9CF304014D59C84B@RickPC>
	<20110509234549.05CEEAE752@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<064a01cc11fa$5b58e370$120aaa50$@net>
Message-ID: <742383.47087.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder what happened to all of Tony Barnhill's (The Autoist) stuff??

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Ron King <ronking at sbcglobal.net>
To: Don <don at napanet.net>; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 1:47:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan

Sad in a way, especially if most of the stuff gets thrown away.  Seems there
should be a "car trust" our beneficiaries can donate our stuff to

Ron King
'71 MGB


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:45 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MG parts auction - Michigan

This was some poor fellow's treasure of stuff.  Misfortune came his 
way; chances are he passed on.

Makes a person think about what happens to all the accumulated cars, 
parts, and tools when they exit planet earth.  Oh, I forgot, all the 
car magazines and books are another thing for whoever is left to "dispose"
of.


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars



At 03:32 PM 5/9/2011, Rick Brown wrote:
>I received an email concerning an auction of MG Parts to be held in
>Melvindale, MI on May 21st.  Pictures of tons of stuff at
>http://tinyurl.com/6acfzzb
>
>No interest etc
>
>Rick
>  Webmaster for:
>  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
>  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
>Registers
>  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register
>  http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts
>_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat May 14 09:35:10 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:35:10 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Assembly goo overload
References: <357681.81565.qm@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <75D150200D104D64999A6794464BBC97@paul>

Non-setting like Hermetite Red is probably best for things like intakes and 
covers.  Don't use silicone, most people put great gobbets on which oozes 
out into the places where you don't want it, but if you carefully put a thin 
smear unless it is a very small part it will probably skin if not dry before 
you can get the parts back together.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Is there one product that will work for intake
> gaskets, and eng.
> covers, that you can apply and fly and not have to let  dry and retorque 
> that
> they suggest?

From barrie at look.ca  Sun May 15 12:38:39 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:38:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Unrelated subject - but wow!
Message-ID: <E1QLgDW-0007Qe-Lg@theta.look.ca>

This may be common knowledge to US residents but it came as a shock 
to us financially regulated, thank heavens, people up here

The DVD "Inside Job" is what I am referring to !   Holy Moses and 
great balls of fire!

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration
www.AMFClub.com
www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY 
www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sun May 15 14:05:29 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Unrelated subject - but wow!
In-Reply-To: <E1QLgDW-0007Qe-Lg@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <940284.81891.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> This may be common knowledge to US
> residents but it came as a shock to us financially
> regulated, thank heavens, people up here

Oh, we have plenty of financial regulations in the US.
It's just that most of them are written by people who
don't know a damned thing about economics.

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can neither do nor teach regulate the others.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 15 14:33:57 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:33:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Unrelated subject - but wow! [OT]
In-Reply-To: <940284.81891.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C9F586C5.31453%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

On the contrary, the problem is that they frequently are written by the
people that they are supposed to regulate -- the fox patrolling the
henhouse. They aren't ignorant of the consequences --they are getting
exactly what they want (or at least what they think they want -- it doesn't
seem to occur to these "smart guys" that if you open up the markets to
manipulation, the real crooks will have an advantage over the merely
greedy).

The Treasury Dept. essentially functions as a branch of Goldman Sachs
(hence, "inside job").

No surprise that when everything goes blooey, they are the ones that get
bailed out, and the average joe is left holding the bag.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 5/15/11 1:05 PM, David Breneman at david_breneman at yahoo.com wrote:

> --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:
> 
>> This may be common knowledge to US
>> residents but it came as a shock to us financially
>> regulated, thank heavens, people up here
> 
> Oh, we have plenty of financial regulations in the US.
> It's just that most of them are written by people who
> don't know a damned thing about economics.
> 
> Those who can, do.
> Those who can't, teach.
> Those who can neither do nor teach regulate the others.
> _______________________________________________

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 15 18:47:06 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:47:06 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Computers...
Message-ID: <4DD0740A.4040403@bradakis.com>

Sometimes I do not like them at all.

mjb, frustrated list admin.

From don at napanet.net  Sun May 15 22:47:55 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Austin Rover Online
Message-ID: <20110516044807.E746FAE70E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Just got the latest Hemmings and there is a one-page article about a 
British website devoted to post-war British cars.   Makes covered 
include Rover, MG, Jaguar, Triumph, Austin, Morris, Lotus, British 
Ford and others.

Hemmings gives it four stars.  It looks to be an interesting site for 
anyone interested in these cars.

http://www.aronline.co.uk/



Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon May 16 06:22:23 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 07:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Austin Rover Online
In-Reply-To: <20110516044807.E746FAE70E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20110516044807.E746FAE70E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <118893.22071.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Post war my eye.  What good is it with no MG-TC, MG-TD, or MGA?

>....
>British website devoted to post-war British cars.   Makes covered 
>include Rover, MG, Jaguar, Triumph, Austin, Morris, Lotus, British 
>Ford and others.
>
>Hemmings gives it four stars.  It looks to be an interesting site 
>for anyone interested in these cars.
>
>http://www.aronline.co.uk

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon May 16 07:36:09 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: [Spridgets] formula racing at Oregon State University;
 no  lbc content]
Message-ID: <4DD12849.60907@justbrits.com>

One of the Members of  "The Spridgets List"
 [ @ autoX dot team dot net ] posted below and it IS  KEWL  !!
Especially in these days of hardly any "Made in America !!
NEAT !!

-------- Original Message --------

Oregon State University has repeated as Formula SAE National Champions. 
http://tinyurl.com/65prukl
...bill in corvallis
_______________________________________________

From mike at sportscarslimited.net  Mon May 16 10:08:11 2011
From: mike at sportscarslimited.net (Michael Singleton)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Assembly goo overload
In-Reply-To: <357681.81565.qm@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <357681.81565.qm@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C33FA968471F4B778F05DC420C1F3B0F@scloffice>

The good news is that Permatex = Loctite, it is the same company. Next, one
size does not fit all. You can look on the Permatex/Loctite website and they
have an extensive description of their products. For the most parts, in the
silicone adhesives line, most of the colors have the same product
description except for color. So purchase the color that color coordinates
with the parts being held together. 

There are some areas where silicone is not happy. Cork gaskets depend on
absorbing oil, and expanding to form a seal - valve covers, some pan
gaskets, thermostat housing gaskets. In cases where I want to re-use the
gasket, e.g. valve cover gaskets, I use a product called Gaskacinch, been
around since forever. It is a contact cement, apply a light coat on each of
the surfaces to be sealed, allow to dry somewhat, stick the 2 parts
together. Use this stuff on only one side of the gasket and one of the parts
to be installed, in the case of valve covers, glue the gasket to the valve
cover. The side of the gasket sealing to the cast iron side should be
lightly coated with grease, I use lithium grease. This way when you next
remove the cover, the gasket will release from the head while remaining
attached to the cover and can be re-used, at least until the cork compresses
too much to seal. 

In the case of thermostat housings, where I never re-use the gasket, I use
Permatex #2 non-hardening aviation gasket sealer. This stuff has been around
since forever also. It was the stuff that all the Model A Ford guys used,
when the cars were new. It doesn't harden, and so stays gooey. Don't confuse
it with Permatex #1 hardening aviation gasket sealer, which does harden, and
doesn't come off without serious work and a very sharp chisel. It is like
permanent!! The #2 Permatex also seals studs and bolts that go into water
jackets and keeps them from leaking.

Finally, Head gaskets. Use either nothing, or the manufactures recommended
sealant. Do not use silicone, unless the manufacture of the head gasket
specifically says it is OK. Payen composite head gaskets are pre-coated with
a sealant and that is all that is necessary. Older copper gaskets can use a
"Kopper Koat" sealant, or similar product.

That should be enough to get by on the average MG. Modern cars are a
completely different subject, in those cases follow the manufacturer's
recommendations scrupulously (without fail), several kinds of sealants can
kill sensors and such.   


Michael Singleton
Sportscars Ltd
10170 Croydon Way
Suite M
Sacramento, CA 95826
 
(916)366-0330
mike at sportscarslimited.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark lapierre
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:52 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Assembly goo overload

Its been awhile since I have shopped the Eng/ Car assembly adhesives.  Now
there is Blue,  Copper,  Black, High temp, Med. temp, 1B, 2B, and of course
our favorite Halomar ( I still have 3 tubes left)
 
Its sensory overload.   Is there one product that will work for intake
gaskets, and eng.
covers, that you can apply and fly and not have to let  dry and retorque
that they suggest?
 
The guys  on the weekend gear head shows seem to lean toward the Lock Tite
brands which I couldn't find at all.  Our stores carry Permatex.
 
Sorry if this is a repeat,  I may not have been paying attention before.
 
Mark
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From eric at internode.com.au  Mon May 16 06:34:29 2011
From: eric at internode.com.au (Eric Erickson)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:34:29 +0000
Subject: [MGS] [Mgs] Austin Rover Online
In-Reply-To: <118893.22071.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20110516044807.E746FAE70E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<118893.22071.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C4EAD41-A183-4285-8F84-17F529A72C48@internode.com.au>

On 16/05/2011, at 9:52 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote:

> Post war my eye.  What good is it with no MG-TC, MG-TD, or MGA?


Which war?


Eric

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 16 15:27:47 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:27:47 -0600
Subject: [MGS] Back on the air?
Message-ID: <4DD196D3.9080900@bradakis.com>

Looks like the MG list is back in business.  Had a problem with
a defective UPS that provided the Team.Net server with 0.0 seconds
of backup power during a momentary outage.  When the mail server
is running it has hundreds, if not thousands of open files, incomplete
writes and such.  Going down hard with no warning tends to mess up
some of those files.  I've been working on tracking down and fixing them
as best I can.

mjb.

From don at napanet.net  Mon May 16 19:49:35 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:49:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Drive an MGB for free!
Message-ID: <20110517014942.D3701AE742@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Opportunity to drive an MGB from Reno to Portland!  Just saw this on 
SCM website.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Keith's Corner: Will You Drive Our MGs Back From Reno?

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/news/2922-keiths-corner-will-you-drive-our-mgs-back-from-reno-



----------------------------------------------------------------------



Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 17 13:56:12 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:56:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Sigh.
Message-ID: <4DD2D2DC.6050208@bradakis.com>

More testing.  Hope this one gets to the real MG list.

mjb.

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Tue May 17 14:08:57 2011
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Drive an MGB for free!
References: <20110517014942.D3701AE742@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4AC9338B4D134452865870EF49D0B63F@frankdcczr6l6k>

Why are they taking them away just as the evenst begins? Doesn't the week of 
activity start on June 13?
Frank Krajewski

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don" <don at napanet.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Drive an MGB for free!


> Opportunity to drive an MGB from Reno to Portland!  Just saw this on
> SCM website.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Keith's Corner: Will You Drive Our MGs Back From Reno?
>
> http://www.sportscarmarket.com/news/2922-keiths-corner-will-you-drive-our-mgs-back-from-reno-
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1955 MGTF
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
> _______________________________________________

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue May 17 16:34:33 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:34:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <4DD2D2DC.6050208@bradakis.com>
References: <4DD2D2DC.6050208@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W5DD9804E521E6E01E8657B78C0@phx.gbl>

Wait, what?  This isn't real?

Doo dee doo dooo, doo dee doo dooo...


> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:56:12 -0600
> From: mark at bradakis.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Sigh.
>
> More testing. Hope this one gets to the real MG list.
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
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From Maine2me at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 10:45:05 2011
From: Maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <930782.60849.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Call the ambulance to your penis!... http://lucernario.org/friends_links.php?hehot=57ov6

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed May 18 12:12:53 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:12:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
Message-ID: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>

in integrating the exhaust manifold.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110518/CARNEWS/110519832

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed May 18 15:06:56 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
In-Reply-To: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
References: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <477020.14300.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow, guess there is nothing new under the sun. Although the BL method certainly 
didn't increase hp....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: 4 - MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 2:12:53 PM
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....

in integrating the exhaust manifold.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110518/CARNEWS/110519832
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From awhitema at panix.com  Wed May 18 17:54:32 2011
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:54:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
In-Reply-To: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
References: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9CC7B1B-1E15-4895-AB70-FB700C98BD75@panix.com>

On May 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Paul Root wrote:

> in integrating the exhaust manifold.

Sure, but Leyland didn't integrate the manifold into *the head*.  I for one,
am quite happy they didn't try.

--
Aaron

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 18 19:39:33 2011
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:39:33 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
In-Reply-To: <477020.14300.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
	<477020.14300.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DD474D5.1030309@sbcglobal.net>

Even before that the Ford Falcon 6 in 1960 had an integrated intake & 
exhaust manifold.  Also didn't exactly increase HP.  Probably were many 
others even earlier.
Charles Hill

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 18 20:22:24 2011
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
In-Reply-To: <20110519015030.B3AB8AE7B5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
	<477020.14300.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4DD474D5.1030309@sbcglobal.net>
	<20110519015030.B3AB8AE7B5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4DD47EE0.8030809@sbcglobal.net>

Sometimes but often "integrated" is something added that you don't want 
but have to pay for anyway.  A prime example:  GM Onstar.
Charles Hill

On 5/18/2011 8:50 PM, Don wrote:
> Is integrated a euphemism for cheaply made?
>
> At 06:39 PM 5/18/2011, Charles Hill wrote:
>> Even before that the Ford Falcon 6 in 1960 had an integrated intake & 
>> exhaust manifold.  Also didn't exactly increase HP.  Probably were 
>> many others even earlier.
>> Charles Hill
>> _______________________________________________

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed May 18 20:48:36 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] British Leyland was ahead of it's time....
In-Reply-To: <E9CC7B1B-1E15-4895-AB70-FB700C98BD75@panix.com>
References: <A34FB74F-827E-43F2-AC35-4591C1715FE4@gmail.com>
	<E9CC7B1B-1E15-4895-AB70-FB700C98BD75@panix.com>
Message-ID: <D8949196-BB40-499D-B33A-25F5DAEE23BD@gmail.com>

Right. I guess I should have put a bunch of Ed-isms in my email.

This was tongue in cheek.

The Chevy head looks pretty cool. I'd like to jump ahead 10 years and see if
it turns out to be a good idea.

On May 18, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote:

> On May 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Paul Root wrote:
>
>> in integrating the exhaust manifold.
>
> Sure, but Leyland didn't integrate the manifold into *the head*.  I for
one,
> am quite happy they didn't try.
>
> --
> Aaron
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri May 20 20:06:42 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
Message-ID: <BANLkTimKb-S6Lh-ZmnXGw2=J1Cgo+T085g@mail.gmail.com>

I just got email to confirm that I want off this list. And a request for my
mailing list password. Is someone trying to hack me?

sent from my Android phone

From barrie at look.ca  Sat May 21 09:49:27 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 11:49:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimKb-S6Lh-ZmnXGw2=J1Cgo+T085g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimKb-S6Lh-ZmnXGw2=J1Cgo+T085g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1QNpPs-0000WC-Ue@beta.look.ca>

Absolutely !!!!!!!!

I have had a note from a friend in the US - but he did not send 
it.  There is a virus going around which steals your address 
book....................


At 10:06 PM 5/20/2011, Paul Root wrote:
>I just got email to confirm that I want off this list. And a request for my
>mailing list password. Is someone trying to hack me?
>
>sent from my Android phone
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>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat May 21 11:42:18 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 12:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
In-Reply-To: <E1QNpPs-0000WC-Ue@beta.look.ca>
References: <BANLkTimKb-S6Lh-ZmnXGw2=J1Cgo+T085g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1QNpPs-0000WC-Ue@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4DD7F97A.1040104@justbrits.com>

<< There is a virus going around which steals your address 
book.................... >>

Sorta, Barrie <G> !!!

If you pay close attention - even to List Posts - they are coming from
POS aol and POS yahoo.  Majority [so far <G> ] is POS aol.

Because folks 'store'/'keep' their Addy Books ON the two IPOs &
NOT on their own 'puter !!!

So far & from I have seen it's 99% those two [2] PsOS <G> !!

Ed
1]  Please visit MY site at:               www.justbrits.com
2]  Please visit Frank C.'s site at:   www.spritenut.com
     Article(s) and/or pictures REQUESTED !

From barrie at look.ca  Sat May 21 15:04:06 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 17:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
In-Reply-To: <4DD7F97A.1040104@justbrits.com>
References: <BANLkTimKb-S6Lh-ZmnXGw2=J1Cgo+T085g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1QNpPs-0000WC-Ue@beta.look.ca> <4DD7F97A.1040104@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <E1QNtWr-00065O-Cx@epsilon.look.ca>

Thai's why I do not use AOL, GMail or Yahoo.  Nor do I use "social 
networking sites" not because I already have a life, but because of 
the breaches and slip ups.



At 01:42 PM 5/21/2011, Shop at \" Just Brits \" wrote:
><< There is a virus going around which steals your address 
>book.................... >>
>
>Sorta, Barrie <G> !!!
>
>If you pay close attention - even to List Posts - they are coming from
>POS aol and POS yahoo.  Majority [so far <G> ] is POS aol.
>
>Because folks 'store'/'keep' their Addy Books ON the two IPOs &
>NOT on their own 'puter !!!
>
>So far & from I have seen it's 99% those two [2] PsOS <G> !!
>
>Ed
>1]  Please visit MY site at:               www.justbrits.com
>2]  Please visit Frank C.'s site at:   www.spritenut.com
>     Article(s) and/or pictures REQUESTED !
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060 

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon May 23 08:21:06 2011
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 14:21:06 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
Message-ID: <20110523.102106.8967.7@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>

A couple of weeks ago, I received a similar message.
Bob




---------- Original Message ----------
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Mark doing something?
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 21:06:42 -0500

I just got email to confirm that I want off this list. And a request for my
mailing list password. Is someone trying to hack me?

sent from my Android phone
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From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Tue May 24 11:15:34 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:15:34 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>

Aaurgh!

Investigating the "klunk" sound from the left rear, I find that the splines
on
the wire wheel hub are shot.

The trouble is, both I and the MGB are supposed to be leaving Nashville on
Thursday morning first thing to begin my annual migration to New England.

I'm about to call Moss, but does anyone have a better idea of where I might
find a serviceable hub for a '70 MGB that won't have to be shipped across the
country?


Douglas 70 MGB-GT
Murfreesboro TN

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue May 24 11:30:26 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <202759.16983.qm@web39424.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Try Ed Kaler at www.JustBrits.com (Illinois) or Hap Waldron at Acme Speed Shop 
(http://www.acmespeedshop.com/contact.html) in SC...
BTW, Moss has an East Coast warehouse in VA so it wouldn't necessarily have to 
come from CA....

Any local wreckers or MG car clubs?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 1:15:34 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

Aaurgh!

Investigating the "klunk" sound from the left rear, I find that the splines
on
the wire wheel hub are shot.

The trouble is, both I and the MGB are supposed to be leaving Nashville on
Thursday morning first thing to begin my annual migration to New England.

I'm about to call Moss, but does anyone have a better idea of where I might
find a serviceable hub for a '70 MGB that won't have to be shipped across the
country?


Douglas 70 MGB-GT
Murfreesboro TN
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue May 24 11:38:39 2011
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:38:39 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA09F87FF1@BILEXMB2.msubillings.edu>

I have the same problem, different side (67 BGT). I tried to locate one and
even attended a swap meet May 1 looking for one. Finally ended up ordering
from a Moss reseller rather than Moss direct to save about 20% but now three
weeks have passed. I just called the reseller and he is shipping it out today.
So in short, your best bet may be Moss at ~$120. At least they appear
available and in stock.

David Councill

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Douglas McKinnie
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:16 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

Aaurgh!

Investigating the "klunk" sound from the left rear, I find that the splines
on
the wire wheel hub are shot.

The trouble is, both I and the MGB are supposed to be leaving Nashville on
Thursday morning first thing to begin my annual migration to New England.

I'm about to call Moss, but does anyone have a better idea of where I might
find a serviceable hub for a '70 MGB that won't have to be shipped across the
country?


Douglas 70 MGB-GT
Murfreesboro TN

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Tue May 24 11:50:05 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:50:05 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <238PeXRxF0560S02.1306259405@web02.cms.usa.net>

I phoned Moss and one is being shipped overnight from their VA warehouse. The
cost was $149, so now I can worry about why the part in the catalog is $120
but the part they are sending is $150...

------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:38 PM BST, 05/24/2011
From: "Councill, David" <dcouncill at msubillings.edu>
To: 'Douglas McKinnie' <d.mckinnie at usa.net>Cc: "mgs at Autox.Team.Net"
<mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: RE: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

I have the same problem, different side (67 BGT). I tried to locate one and
even attended a swap meet May 1 looking for one. Finally ended up ordering
from a Moss reseller rather than Moss direct to save about 20% but now three
weeks have passed. I just called the reseller and he is shipping it out
today.
So in short, your best bet may be Moss at ~$120. At least they appear
available and in stock.

David Councill

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Douglas McKinnie
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:16 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

Aaurgh!

Investigating the "klunk" sound from the left rear, I find that the splines
on
the wire wheel hub are shot.

The trouble is, both I and the MGB are supposed to be leaving Nashville on
Thursday morning first thing to begin my annual migration to New England.

I'm about to call Moss, but does anyone have a better idea of where I might
find a serviceable hub for a '70 MGB that won't have to be shipped across the
country?


Douglas 70 MGB-GT
Murfreesboro TN

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue May 24 12:47:50 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:47:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA09F87FF1@BILEXMB2.msubillings.edu>
References: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
	<E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA09F87FF1@BILEXMB2.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <4DDBFD56.2090208@gmail.com>

On 5/24/2011 12:38 PM, Councill, David wrote:
> I have the same problem, different side (67 BGT). I tried to locate one and
> even attended a swap meet May 1 looking for one. Finally ended up ordering
> from a Moss reseller rather than Moss direct to save about 20% but now three
> weeks have passed. I just called the reseller and he is shipping it out today.
> So in short, your best bet may be Moss at ~$120. At least they appear
> available and in stock.
I sent a message to Doug that I have a good one. The knockoff threads are left-hand. I don't know which side that came from. I'm in Tulsa, but I will be in Memphis Saturday at noon, to play the annual free concert at the VA Hospital we do every year. If this is the right one, I'm happy to let it go.

http://www.rockyfrisco.com/MGBhub.jpg

-Rocky Frisco
--

From dmculgan at verizon.net  Tue May 24 13:00:21 2011
From: dmculgan at verizon.net (Dave Culgan)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:00:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <1392127292.543308.1306263621531.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>


From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue May 24 13:44:01 2011
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:44:01 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <4DDBFD56.2090208@gmail.com>
References: <832PeXRoI4768S03.1306257334@web03.cms.usa.net>
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	<4DDBFD56.2090208@gmail.com>
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Perhaps I should be checking with the list for needed parts, especially since
some are a bit elusive. Big on my list right now is the original style
(banjo?) steering wheel for the early MGB, a 1964 in this case. Anyone have a
used one? I also seek the little chrome locking handle, same year.

I currently own 2 MGBs, 1 BGT and previously owned three others decades ago.
And none of them had the original steering wheels. So I wonder what they are
like although I recall a friend who had one where the connectors on one side
were held to the wheel with duct tape. So maybe they aren't the best steering
wheels in a practical sense.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B
64 B

-----Original Message-----
From: The Roxter [mailto:rocknatural at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:48 PM
To: Councill, David
Cc: 'Douglas McKinnie'; mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

On 5/24/2011 12:38 PM, Councill, David wrote:
> I have the same problem, different side (67 BGT). I tried to locate one and
> even attended a swap meet May 1 looking for one. Finally ended up ordering
> from a Moss reseller rather than Moss direct to save about 20% but now
three
> weeks have passed. I just called the reseller and he is shipping it out
today.
> So in short, your best bet may be Moss at ~$120. At least they appear
> available and in stock.
I sent a message to Doug that I have a good one. The knockoff threads are
left-hand. I don't know which side that came from. I'm in Tulsa, but I will be
in Memphis Saturday at noon, to play the annual free concert at the VA
Hospital we do every year. If this is the right one, I'm happy to let it go.

http://www.rockyfrisco.com/MGBhub.jpg

-Rocky Frisco
--

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Tue May 24 19:13:49 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 02:13:49 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <269PeyBmx3008S03.1306286029@web03.cms.usa.net>

well, I phoned up Moss and they looked up the part for me, and found one in
the Virginia warehouse. So think I'm all set. We will see tomorrow if this is
not the case. I always wondered whether my car was originally sold with wire
wheels, and if not whether adapters or original parts had been used on the
back -- I guess this is when I find out.

Thanks to all for the help and suggestions!

Douglas
'70 BGT
Murfreesboro TN
(soon to be Berkshires, MA)

From don at napanet.net  Tue May 24 19:23:34 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:23:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] British car show  - Woodland.2011
Message-ID: <20110525012446.50084AE6B5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Anne and I went to the British car show in Woodland California on 
Sunday.  The cars ranged from the sad run-down cars needing love to 
the very expensive exotics that were worth as much as a house.  There 
were four TFs in a row, some very nice old Healeys, beautiful 
Morgans, many MGs and Morrises and TRs, and a few oddities.  Only one 
Sunbeam Tiger and one TR8 that I saw.  The '48 Allard with a flathead 
V8 was really cool.  My friend Tim and his Riley 2.6 were there; he 
said it is one of two such cars in the US.  I photographed a couple 
of cars with transplanted Japanese engines.  I liked the white Bugeye 
that was factory correct, except with updated 1275 engine.  The white 
Jaguar 3.8 sedan was spectacular.  There was not one early B roadster there.

The weather was ideal.  Mildest I've experienced ever at that car 
show and I have attended it for several years now.

I took some photos and put them on a webpage.  I photographed some 
odd stuff like the cars in the parking lot and the swap meet and some 
of the stranger cars like the Prius with a Morris body.  I did 
photograph the food vender that was selling Freedom Fries, but I 
didn't buy any.  There were some very nice cars in the parking lot 
which I cannot understand their owners not paying the fee to show 
inside the fairgrounds.  My Miata was not welcome inside the grounds, 
and suffered in exile in the parking lot.  A rather ungainly Healey 
kit car and a 356 Speedster replica were also in the parking lot, but 
some of the other cars in the lot were British and every bit as nice 
as the ones inside the grounds at the show.

I almost bought a piece of sales literature for the 1957 Ford Zodiac, 
but the seller wanted $20 for it.  He said it had special value 
because it was stamped "Wee Wee Motors of San Francisco."  Apparently 
that adds a big premium to its value, but not for me.  I owned a '57 
Zodiac when I was in high school.

The car show:

https://picasaweb.google.com/104973305347633073496/Woodland2011?authkey=Gv1sRgCP6B0NTGiejT8gE#

And a '57 Ford Zodiac:

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_details1.php


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  

From don at napanet.net  Tue May 24 19:30:46 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:30:46 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] More photos! - Woodland.2011
Message-ID: <20110525013056.8E7B9AE6A4@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Even more and more better photos of the event!




Received this from David Gunn on the TR list:


From: David Gunn <ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com>
To: triumph list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Woodland, CA British Show Pics

For those of you who are interested, I attended the British Car Show 
at Woodland, CA on Sunday.  I have posted pictures of the event at:

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157626667890519/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157626667890519/

My TR2 took 1st place in its class.

Enjoy,

David Gunn
1954 "long door" coupe
TS3388L
Chico, CA
triumphs at autox.team.net  

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 24 21:26:30 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:26:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA09F880AE@BILEXMB2.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <CA01C4F6.317FC%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

The banjo wheels were a little fragile, especially when habitually used by a
DPO to lever himself out of the seat. As the plastic gets older it get more
brittle.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 5/24/11 12:44 PM, Councill, David at dcouncill at msubillings.edu wrote:

> Perhaps I should be checking with the list for needed parts, especially since
> some are a bit elusive. Big on my list right now is the original style
> (banjo?) steering wheel for the early MGB, a 1964 in this case. Anyone have a
> used one? I also seek the little chrome locking handle, same year.
> 
> I currently own 2 MGBs, 1 BGT and previously owned three others decades ago.
> And none of them had the original steering wheels. So I wonder what they are
> like although I recall a friend who had one where the connectors on one side
> were held to the wheel with duct tape. So maybe they aren't the best steering
> wheels in a practical sense.
> 
> David Councill
> 67 BGT
> 72 B
> 64 B
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Roxter [mailto:rocknatural at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: Councill, David
> Cc: 'Douglas McKinnie'; mgs at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed May 25 05:03:37 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 04:03:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] British car show  - Woodland.2011
In-Reply-To: <20110525012446.50084AE6B5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20110525012446.50084AE6B5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <951342.45388.qm@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some great looking cars there - what is the green race car #8? Wild looking.... 
And the Mini with the Honda engine swap is probably
pretty darn fast..... 

Did you really think that your Miata would be welcome on the show field? ;-)

I like looking at all the 'patina-ed' cars when I go to a show. 

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Don <don at napanet.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:23:34 PM
Subject: [Mgs] British car show  - Woodland.2011

Anne and I went to the British car show in Woodland California on 
Sunday.  The cars ranged from the sad run-down cars needing love to 
the very expensive exotics that were worth as much as a house.  There 
were four TFs in a row, some very nice old Healeys, beautiful 
Morgans, many MGs and Morrises and TRs, and a few oddities.  Only one 
Sunbeam Tiger and one TR8 that I saw.  The '48 Allard with a flathead 
V8 was really cool.  My friend Tim and his Riley 2.6 were there; he 
said it is one of two such cars in the US.  I photographed a couple 
of cars with transplanted Japanese engines.  I liked the white Bugeye 
that was factory correct, except with updated 1275 engine.  The white 
Jaguar 3.8 sedan was spectacular.  There was not one early B roadster there.

The weather was ideal.  Mildest I've experienced ever at that car 
show and I have attended it for several years now.

I took some photos and put them on a webpage.  I photographed some 
odd stuff like the cars in the parking lot and the swap meet and some 
of the stranger cars like the Prius with a Morris body.  I did 
photograph the food vender that was selling Freedom Fries, but I 
didn't buy any.  There were some very nice cars in the parking lot 
which I cannot understand their owners not paying the fee to show 
inside the fairgrounds.  My Miata was not welcome inside the grounds, 
and suffered in exile in the parking lot.  A rather ungainly Healey 
kit car and a 356 Speedster replica were also in the parking lot, but 
some of the other cars in the lot were British and every bit as nice 
as the ones inside the grounds at the show.

I almost bought a piece of sales literature for the 1957 Ford Zodiac, 
but the seller wanted $20 for it.  He said it had special value 
because it was stamped "Wee Wee Motors of San Francisco."  Apparently 
that adds a big premium to its value, but not for me.  I owned a '57 
Zodiac when I was in high school.

The car show:

https://picasaweb.google.com/104973305347633073496/Woodland2011?authkey=Gv1sRgCP6B0NTGiejT8gE#


And a '57 Ford Zodiac:

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_details1.php


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1955 MGTF
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  
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From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed May 25 09:12:02 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 16:12:02 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <485PeyPLc9968S01.1306336322@web01.cms.usa.net>

came in, completely wrong! 5 studs vs 4...

------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:14 AM BST, 05/25/2011
From: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

well, I phoned up Moss and they looked up the part for me, and found one in
the Virginia warehouse. So think I'm all set. We will see tomorrow if this is
not the case. I always wondered whether my car was originally sold with wire
wheels, and if not whether adapters or original parts had been used on the
back -- I guess this is when I find out.

Thanks to all for the help and suggestions!

Douglas
'70 BGT
Murfreesboro TN
(soon to be Berkshires, MA)

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed May 25 09:35:40 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <485PeyPLc9968S01.1306336322@web01.cms.usa.net>
References: <485PeyPLc9968S01.1306336322@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <928962.7774.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hence the price difference I guess...! That's certainly disappointing, 
especially after calling them....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

came in, completely wrong! 5 studs vs 4...

------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:14 AM BST, 05/25/2011
From: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

well, I phoned up Moss and they looked up the part for me, and found one in
the Virginia warehouse. So think I'm all set. We will see tomorrow if this is
not the case. I always wondered whether my car was originally sold with wire
wheels, and if not whether adapters or original parts had been used on the
back -- I guess this is when I find out.

Thanks to all for the help and suggestions!

Douglas
'70 BGT
Murfreesboro TN
(soon to be Berkshires, MA)
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Wed May 25 11:35:11 2011
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 17:35:11 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <485PeyPLc9968S01.1306336322@web01.cms.usa.net>
References: <485PeyPLc9968S01.1306336322@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <E7D7B13F08EBC4438FAEAFB46F80C1FA09F893B5@BILEXMB2.msubillings.edu>

The part number should have been correct (780-910) with 4 studs. What does
Moss say? I have the other side hub coming my way from a Moss reseller right
now so hopefully its right. I have had two previous orders where I received
parts from Moss with the correct number, wrong part, so it does happen
although infrequently.

David Councill
64 MGB
67 MGBGT
72 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Douglas McKinnie
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:12 AM
To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

came in, completely wrong! 5 studs vs 4...

------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:14 AM BST, 05/25/2011
From: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

well, I phoned up Moss and they looked up the part for me, and found one in
the Virginia warehouse. So think I'm all set. We will see tomorrow if this is
not the case. I always wondered whether my car was originally sold with wire
wheels, and if not whether adapters or original parts had been used on the
back -- I guess this is when I find out.

Thanks to all for the help and suggestions!

Douglas
'70 BGT
Murfreesboro TN
(soon to be Berkshires, MA)
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From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed May 25 11:37:57 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <596PeyRK68608S02.1306345077@web02.cms.usa.net>

According to the Moss technical people the 780-910 hub that they sent is for
MGC, and what I actually need for my B-GT is a 267-730.
I'm waiting on a call from a Moss sales manager to work out how to fix it.


Douglas McKinnie
'70 MGB-GT
Murfreesboro TN

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed May 25 11:50:18 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:50:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <116PeyRxs6544S02.1306345818@web02.cms.usa.net>

Well, I could hear the chap I spoke to in technical support muttering to
himself as he wrote down notes before going to the warehouse to check the
bin.
he said 267-730 and B339d. When he phoned me back after checking the
warehouse
he said that what I had been sent was for MGC, and what I needed was part no
267-730.

His suggestion was that the original order taker misheard me and thought I
had
an MGC.

Douglas



------ Original Message ------
Received: 06:35 PM BST, 05/25/2011
From: "Councill, David" <dcouncill at msubillings.edu>
To: 'Douglas McKinnie' <d.mckinnie at usa.net>, "mgs at Autox.Team.Net"
<mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: RE: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

The part number should have been correct (780-910) with 4 studs. What does
Moss say? I have the other side hub coming my way from a Moss reseller right
now so hopefully its right. I have had two previous orders where I received
parts from Moss with the correct number, wrong part, so it does happen
although infrequently.

David Councill
64 MGB
67 MGBGT
72 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Douglas McKinnie
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:12 AM
To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

came in, completely wrong! 5 studs vs 4...

------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:14 AM BST, 05/25/2011
From: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

well, I phoned up Moss and they looked up the part for me, and found one in
the Virginia warehouse. So think I'm all set. We will see tomorrow if this is
not the case. I always wondered whether my car was originally sold with wire
wheels, and if not whether adapters or original parts had been used on the
back -- I guess this is when I find out.

Thanks to all for the help and suggestions!

Douglas
'70 BGT
Murfreesboro TN
(soon to be Berkshires, MA)
_______________________________________________

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From don at napanet.net  Thu May 26 00:05:00 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 23:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] British car show  - Woodland.2011
Message-ID: <20110526060511.DED77AE6C5@mail.dsl.napanet.net>


From ccrobins at ktc.com  Fri May 27 16:32:25 2011
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 17:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <116PeyRxs6544S02.1306345818@web02.cms.usa.net>
References: <116PeyRxs6544S02.1306345818@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4DE02679.4090007@ktc.com>

Early on, I sent my wife to the store for a axle U-joint for a '66 
Corvair Corsa w/turbo (if it sounds like overkill on the nomenclature, 
that's how it was in the car's  maintenance manual).  I told her to tell 
them everything in the nomenclature I'd provided.  She had me write it 
down.  She came back with a driveshaft U-joint for a 66 Corvette!    
When I went down there the guy claimed she'd asked for the Corvette 
part.  When I showed him the note I'd sent, he claimed he'd never seen 
it.  All this even though she'd written his name on the note as having 
had him read it!

I have a library of those incidents!

So don't be surprised that parts guys sometimes mess up and never admit 
it!!

CR

From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com  Sun May 29 07:09:27 2011
From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 09:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] BeaveRun Historics
Message-ID: <006201cc1e01$a533ae90$ef9b0bb0$@com>

I realize that most of you do not own race cars but some of you do or know
someone who does. And since you are on these lists you are into cars so why
not come out to either the PVGP/VRG Historic races at BeaveRun or the
Vintage Grand Prix at Schenley Park or better yet both. For those with legal
vintage race cars we have race groups for anything you may have (vintage
here) For those with MGA, MGB, MGB GT, MGC MGC GT MGB V8, we have groups at
both venues for your cars in most configurations. There may be a few cases
that you are too modified for Schenley but I doubt it for Beaver. For those
with Spridgets, well we have a couple of classes to run at Beaver and a
Spridget only sprint race and 98% of the Spridgets are legal at Schenley
this year. At Schenley there is one giant British car show to boot so the
rest of you can show off your cars while you watch the racing. At Beaver we
do not have a car show but we have interesting things to do besides
wandering the paddocks and watching the races. The Kart track is open to the
public.

All monies raised go to our charities the Autistic Society of Pittsburgh and
the Allegheny School

For more info you can either go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the
vintage racing link or got to www.pvgp.org

Thanks and hope to see you their either as a spectator or participant

 

Ralph Steinberg 

Director of Competition PVGP BeaveRun

From thgun at comporium.net  Sun May 29 11:35:35 2011
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 13:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] trailer brake control
Message-ID: <6E503E342836498FB7A511C8DFD85F80@TOMPC>

This may be a little off the normal subject. I have a trailer that when the
brakes are applied the trailer brakes want to lock . What control system
should I use to get the trailer brakes to work with the car and not lock?
Tom
1957 MGA 1500 rst

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun May 29 15:23:22 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:23:22 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] trailer brake control
In-Reply-To: <6E503E342836498FB7A511C8DFD85F80@TOMPC>
References: <6E503E342836498FB7A511C8DFD85F80@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <561A833F-FFF6-4614-9500-4FEC90553CA6@gmail.com>

I'm guessing you have a European vehicle that you are using as a tow vehicle.
In the US trailer brakes use proportional voltage to control the trailer
brakes 0V = no braking, 6V = 50%,  12V = locked.  European cars use 0 or 12
with nothing in-between.
What you need is a digital brake controller. The way it works is when the unit
sees the 12V indicates braking an internal accelerometer sends the proper
voltage signal to the electric brakes.
Google trailer brake controller or digital trailer brakes and see what you
find.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2011, at 10:35, "Tom Gunderson" <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:

> This may be a little off the normal subject. I have a trailer that when the
> brakes are applied the trailer brakes want to lock . What control system
> should I use to get the trailer brakes to work with the car and not lock?
> Tom
> 1957 MGA 1500 rst
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun May 29 16:06:28 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 17:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] trailer brake control
In-Reply-To: <6E503E342836498FB7A511C8DFD85F80@TOMPC>
References: <6E503E342836498FB7A511C8DFD85F80@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <928503.50105.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Need more info.  What kind of trailer brakes?  Hydraulic surge 
brakes?  Electric brakes?  How many trailer axles?  Brakes on all 
trailer wheels?  How heavy the trailer?   Loaded or empty?  Most 
trailers under 1000 pounds gross weight don't have brakes, so I 
susect this is something bigger?  Electric trailer brakes require an 
electronic control to limit current.  Surge brakes usually do what 
they should if you grease thd sliding hitch coupling (but can be a 
pain for backing up).


At 01:35 PM 5/29/2011 -0400, Tom Gunderson wrote:
>This may be a little off the normal subject. I have a trailer that 
>when the brakes are applied the trailer brakes want to lock . What 
>control system should I use to get the trailer brakes to work with 
>the car and not lock?
>....

From twobees at sprynet.com  Sun May 29 19:56:43 2011
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 21:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Mgs]  trailer brake control
Message-ID: <003901cc1e6c$d32d14b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Tom,
 
You need a simple controller.  I have been using a Reese Pilot for a few
years on a couple of different vehicles.  $44.02 on Amazon.
<http://www.amazon.com/Reese-Towpower-74378-Pilot-Controller/dp/B000CQOIVE>
http://www.amazon.com/Reese-Towpower-74378-Pilot-Controller/dp/B000CQOIVE
 
If you have a vehicle with an electronic system like my BMW's, your need to
get complicated with the wiring because the electrical system sends a pulse
to the light bulbs every few seconds checking for burned out filaments.  On
my 2004 X3, I had to install a brake light switch from a '71 Chevy truck on
the firewall with the arm riding on the X3's brake pedal arm.  What a PITA.
On my 2000 Saab 95, I just wired it into the brake lights.  On my 2010 X5,
it plugs into the "factory" trailer hitch wiring.
 
Norm Sippel

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From rdalbin at msn.com  Mon May 30 06:43:29 2011
From: rdalbin at msn.com (RICK ALBIN)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 05:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>

http://agriculturenews.co.cc/wl82w

From palte at gmx.net  Mon May 30 07:05:21 2011
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:05:21 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>

Hi Mark,

My virus scanner says there is something quite wrong with this message, or the link that is included.

Any chance the distribution might have been prevented?

Bert


-- 
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belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon May 30 13:36:07 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The linked URL transferes to <drugstorexfitness dot net>
Threat name: Exploit Pharmacy Spam Site.
The page has been identified as a known exploit, phishing, or social 
engineering web site.

Since access to this list is by subscription, it should be possible 
to ban the "list member" who sent it.  Since membership is granted 
automatically to anyone who appplies, this does not prevent them from 
entering again under a different identity.  It's a tough situation to monitor.


At 03:05 PM 5/30/2011 +0200, Bert Palte wrote:
>....
>My virus scanner says there is something quite wrong with this 
>message, or the link that is included.
>
>Any chance the distribution might have been prevented?
>....

From dave at ranteer.com  Mon May 30 14:23:26 2011
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl><20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <820B815CA01F40918ABEC17FD82DB201@ranteer.local>

just a word of advice - be very careful about clicking on url's (and opening 
attachments of any kind).  if you see an email with just a url, you know its 
phishing - just delete.

having received that email in and of itself is no cause for alarm

remember - you are most likely to receive those emails from people you know 
since they are the ones with your address.  just because its from someone 
you know does not mean its ok.


Support the relief effort in Tuscaloosa by buying a Tee shirt at 
www.PrayForTTown.com. My son, Carlton Northrup, a Senior at University of 
Alabama designed these shirts in order to raise funds for the tornado 
victims a few blocks from his apartment.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Barney Gaylord
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:36 PM
To: Bert Palte ; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject)

The linked URL transferes to <drugstorexfitness dot net>
Threat name: Exploit Pharmacy Spam Site.
The page has been identified as a known exploit, phishing, or social
engineering web site.

Since access to this list is by subscription, it should be possible
to ban the "list member" who sent it.  Since membership is granted
automatically to anyone who appplies, this does not prevent them from
entering again under a different identity.  It's a tough situation to 
monitor.

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon May 30 14:53:54 2011
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:53:54 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikNU_myareyLSBWMJojMUfuK_8_aw@mail.gmail.com>

All that the list checks is that the reported "sender" matches a name
on the list. The email appears to have originated in Serbia, but was
sent via Hotmail. I suspect that  Rick Albin has had his Hotmail
login/password stolen, probably by a virus or worm.

Simon

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
wrote:
> The linked URL transferes to <drugstorexfitness dot net>
> Threat name: Exploit Pharmacy Spam Site.
> The page has been identified as a known exploit, phishing, or social
> engineering web site.
>
> Since access to this list is by subscription, it should be possible to ban
> the "list member" who sent it.  Since membership is granted automatically
to
> anyone who appplies, this does not prevent them from entering again under a
> different identity.  It's a tough situation to monitor.
>
>
> At 03:05 PM 5/30/2011 +0200, Bert Palte wrote:
>>
>> ....
>> My virus scanner says there is something quite wrong with this message, or
>> the link that is included.
>>
>> Any chance the distribution might have been prevented?
>> ....
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From shop at justbrits.com  Mon May 30 15:17:52 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikNU_myareyLSBWMJojMUfuK_8_aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BANLkTikNU_myareyLSBWMJojMUfuK_8_aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DE40980.7090707@justbrits.com>

<< I suspect that Rick Albin has had his Hotmail
login/password stolen, probably by a virus or worm. >>

Didn't I JUST day that last week; maybe 2 week ??

Didn't read the mail ???  Don't 'blame' me !!  Actually and
inorder,  blame POS aol then POS yahoo and now respected
MSN --- which I suspect was/will be "taken care of" ASAP
INSTEAD of ignoring it like the first [2] ISP's !!

Been going on for months !

YOUR dumb luck <G> <F> !!

Ed
1]  Please visit MY site at:               www.justbrits.com
2]  Please visit Frank C.'s site at:   www.spritenut.com
    Article(s) and/or pictures REQUESTED !
3]  Don't miss the big Midget 50th Birthday Party at:
     "Road America" in beautiful Elkhart, WI !!
     http://sprite-midgetclub.org/        

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Mon May 30 19:28:22 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 02:28:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
Message-ID: <413PeEBbw6816S01.1306805302@web01.cms.usa.net>

Got the correct hub on Thursday (yeah Moss!) but still decided to leave
Friday
for my trip, via Staunton VA to stay overnight with friends.

Had a flat tire in Carlisle PA, at 5:45 Saturday. The hitch was that the
spare
wheel was pretty wobbly. I had been running on the spare for a while, having
lost my wheel wrench. The spare wheel was the worst of the lot, and although
it was fine when I put it on to use it before, it was quite wobbly when it
came off, so that was on the list of things to attend to after the trip -- my
stash of spare wire wheels being in MA (end of trip) rather than TN (start of
trip)...

Anyway, got the tire changed to the wobbly spare, but not until after losing
all the shot from my shot-loaded mallet. We then did a few wrong turns after
getting bad directions from passing locals about where there might be tire
shops, which were all closed anyway by the time I found them.

Ended up stopping at the diesel shop behind the Carlisle Flying-J truckstop.
They "made no promises" but were quite successful in putting the good tube
from the spare into the tire on the good wheel.

Next stop was a Tractor Supply to pick up what I hope was a correct size
spare
tube, and then on to a hotel in Allentown so that we could go from I-78 to
I-84 via the Delaware Water Gap park in the daylight the next morning.

Anyway, the car with a good hub and without the wobbly wheel, and with new
telescopic shocks to replace the old telescopic rear shocks, is really night
and day from what it had been lately. This week I'll pull out the spare
wheels
that came when I purchased the car and see if any of them have splines good
enough to use as a spare.

Douglas
'70 B-GT
1024 miles later, now in the Berkshires of MA

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May 31 03:16:19 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl><20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <993A2D8EDBBC4EC0AD5F0360F1A835AD@paul>

Don't blame the list member.  It is probably not even his account that has 
been hacked, but somewhere else where his email appears.  There have been a 
spate of these purporting to be from Yahoo, Gmail, AOL and now MSN users and 
several times it has been stated that it is the servers of *these* 
organisations that are being hacked in order to obtain vast numbers of valid 
email addresses, rather than the few that would be obtained from hacking 
personal computers.  That being correct, one of the answers is not to use 
the mail providers server to send and receive mail using a browser but use a 
PC client, delete any server list of contacts, and more importantly to make 
sure the server isn't building a list of contacts automatically based on who 
you send mail to even when you *do* use a PC client.  AOL at least does this 
by default, you have to log in to the server, find the switch and turn it 
off.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Since access to this list is by subscription, it should be possible to ban 
> the "list member" who sent it. 

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May 31 05:54:17 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <993A2D8EDBBC4EC0AD5F0360F1A835AD@paul>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl><20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<993A2D8EDBBC4EC0AD5F0360F1A835AD@paul>
Message-ID: <4DE4D6E9.40804@justbrits.com>

<< AOL at least does this by default, you have to log in to the server,
find the switch and turn it off. >>

Didn't know that Paul, so a BIG thank you !!  I'll be adding to my
Draft of  my posts on the subject !!

'Course, on THIS List, appears to have TOTALLY fallen on
DEAF ears <F> !!!

Ed
1]  Please visit MY site at:               www.justbrits.com
2]  Please visit Frank C.'s site at:   www.spritenut.com
    Article(s) and/or pictures REQUESTED !
3]  Don't miss the big Midget 50th Birthday Party at:
     "Road America" in beautiful Elkhart, WI !!
     http://sprite-midgetclub.org/      

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 07:59:20 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly
In-Reply-To: <413PeEBbw6816S01.1306805302@web01.cms.usa.net>
References: <413PeEBbw6816S01.1306805302@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <475174.5773.qm@web39421.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sounds like an interesting, but entertaining, trip, Doug!

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 9:28:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Need splined hub quickly

Got the correct hub on Thursday (yeah Moss!) but still decided to leave
Friday
for my trip, via Staunton VA to stay overnight with friends.

Had a flat tire in Carlisle PA, at 5:45 Saturday. The hitch was that the
spare
wheel was pretty wobbly. I had been running on the spare for a while, having
lost my wheel wrench. The spare wheel was the worst of the lot, and although
it was fine when I put it on to use it before, it was quite wobbly when it
came off, so that was on the list of things to attend to after the trip -- my
stash of spare wire wheels being in MA (end of trip) rather than TN (start of
trip)...

Anyway, got the tire changed to the wobbly spare, but not until after losing
all the shot from my shot-loaded mallet. We then did a few wrong turns after
getting bad directions from passing locals about where there might be tire
shops, which were all closed anyway by the time I found them.

Ended up stopping at the diesel shop behind the Carlisle Flying-J truckstop.
They "made no promises" but were quite successful in putting the good tube
from the spare into the tire on the good wheel.

Next stop was a Tractor Supply to pick up what I hope was a correct size
spare
tube, and then on to a hotel in Allentown so that we could go from I-78 to
I-84 via the Delaware Water Gap park in the daylight the next morning.

Anyway, the car with a good hub and without the wobbly wheel, and with new
telescopic shocks to replace the old telescopic rear shocks, is really night
and day from what it had been lately. This week I'll pull out the spare
wheels
that came when I purchased the car and see if any of them have splines good
enough to use as a spare.

Douglas
'70 B-GT
1024 miles later, now in the Berkshires of MA
_______________________________________________

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From barrie at look.ca  Tue May 31 10:25:19 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4DE4D6E9.40804@justbrits.com>
References: <BAY163-w8A096D11E3F4754E8645CBB7B0@phx.gbl>
	<20110530130521.274670@gmx.net>
	<191829.64207.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<993A2D8EDBBC4EC0AD5F0360F1A835AD@paul> <4DE4D6E9.40804@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <E1QRRml-0007uf-Mq@gamma.look.ca>

That is why I do not use Facebook, Twitthingy, AOL, GMail, or any of 
those social programs - they exist for advertising  - and how do you 
think they make their money?


At 07:54 AM 5/31/2011, Shop at \" Just Brits \" wrote:
><< AOL at least does this by default, you have to log in to the server,
>find the switch and turn it off. >>
>
>Didn't know that Paul, so a BIG thank you !!  I'll be adding to my
>Draft of  my posts on the subject !!
>
>'Course, on THIS List, appears to have TOTALLY fallen on
>DEAF ears <F> !!!
>
>Ed
>1]  Please visit MY site at:               www.justbrits.com
>2]  Please visit Frank C.'s site at:   www.spritenut.com
>    Article(s) and/or pictures REQUESTED !
>3]  Don't miss the big Midget 50th Birthday Party at:
>     "Road America" in beautiful Elkhart, WI !!
>     http://sprite-midgetclub.org/
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060