From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  4 08:35:11 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Custom SS MG?
Message-ID: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>

Anyone seen anything like this before?  It looks familiar, like I've seen
something like it somewhere on the web before.
The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like a
typical home fabrication.
I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI.  Just wondering about its origin.

Cheers,
-Mike Eldred
Wilmington, VT

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Tue Jan  4 09:08:25 2011
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0F5347AC80EE4CD0BCD30DA481ABCFC8@stargate>

gotta link Mike?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35 AM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Custom SS MG?

> Anyone seen anything like this before?  It looks familiar, like I've seen
> something like it somewhere on the web before.
> The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like a
> typical home fabrication.
> I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI.  Just wondering about its origin.
>
> Cheers,
> -Mike Eldred
> Wilmington, VT
> _______________________________________________
>
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  4 09:16:25 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:16:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>

My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html

Alan:  I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?

-Mike

> From: frogeye at cox.net
> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>
> Mike,
> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or not
> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
> your way?
> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
> Asking $1800?
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>
>
> > Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've seen
> > something like it somewhere on the web before.
> > The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like a
> > typical home fabrication.
> > I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its origin.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Mike Eldred
> > Wilmington, VT
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Suggested annual donation $12.75
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> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/frogeye at cox.net

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Tue Jan  4 10:16:26 2011
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:16:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>

I do recall seeing that in the past somewhere.  Hideous.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:16 AM
To: <frogeye at cox.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?

> My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
>
> Alan:  I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
>
> -Mike
>
>> From: frogeye at cox.net
>> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>>
>> Mike,
>> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or not
>> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
>> your way?
>> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
>> Asking $1800?
>>
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>>
>>
>> > Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've 
>> > seen
>> > something like it somewhere on the web before.
>> > The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like 
>> > a
>> > typical home fabrication.
>> > I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its origin.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Mike Eldred
>> > Wilmington, VT
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> > Suggested annual donation $12.75
>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/frogeye at cox.net
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  4 10:38:48 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:38:48 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C9489B28.2E540%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I don't know, looks pretty typical to me (note absence of compound curves).
Stainless is hard to work with, though. And despite the current trend in
kitchens, it is not particularly easy to clean and keep looking nice. One
wonders what the front looks like.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/4/11 8:16 AM, Mike Eldred at redscirocco at hotmail.com wrote:

> My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
> 
> Alan:  I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
> 
> -Mike
> 
>> From: frogeye at cox.net
>> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>> 
>> Mike,
>> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or not
>> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
>> your way?
>> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
>> Asking $1800?
>> 
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've seen
>>> something like it somewhere on the web before.
>>> The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like a
>>> typical home fabrication.
>>> I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its origin.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Mike Eldred
>>> Wilmington, VT

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 10:50:41 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:50:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
	<829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
Message-ID: <140423.27121.qm@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kinda has a Chitty-Chitty Bang-Bang look to it.... Except backwards....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 12:16:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?

I do recall seeing that in the past somewhere.  Hideous.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:16 AM
To: <frogeye at cox.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?

> My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
> 
> Alan:  I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
> 
> -Mike
> 
>> From: frogeye at cox.net
>> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>> 
>> Mike,
>> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or not
>> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
>> your way?
>> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
>> Asking $1800?
>> 
>> Alan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
>> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> 
>> 
>> > Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've > seen
>> > something like it somewhere on the web before.
>> > The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like > a
>> > typical home fabrication.
>> > I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its origin.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Mike Eldred
>> > Wilmington, VT
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> > Suggested annual donation $12.75
>> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> > Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/frogeye at cox.net
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> 
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 12:55:00 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:55:00 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D237B14.80405@gmail.com>

On 1/4/2011 10:16 AM, Mike Eldred wrote:
> My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
Looks like it's based on a T-Series. Where did they get the "62?"

-Rocky Frisco
--

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  4 13:49:54 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:49:54 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
In-Reply-To: <4D237B14.80405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C948C7F2.2E562%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I assumed it was based on an MGA. They just seemed to prefer the looks of a
square-rigger.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/4/11 11:55 AM, The Roxter at rocknatural at gmail.com wrote:

> On 1/4/2011 10:16 AM, Mike Eldred wrote:
>> My apologies to everyone for the screwup.  The photos are here:
>> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
> Looks like it's based on a T-Series. Where did they get the "62?"
> 
> -Rocky Frisco
> --

From spetrosky at cinci.rr.com  Tue Jan  4 17:29:42 2011
From: spetrosky at cinci.rr.com (spetrosky)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wheels nubs
Message-ID: <C5F8E82B-13B8-4935-9701-A1932408AF70@cinci.rr.com>

Is there a supplier that offers the three nubs that hold the small dog  
dish hubs caps.  Only the spare wheel on my mga has them.


Steve Petrosky
paintrix / driver's road
***New Contact Information***
8711 Reading Road, E1
Cincinnati, Ohio 45215
spetrosky at cinci.rr.com
www.driversroad.com
513.490.5621

From spetrosky at cinci.rr.com  Tue Jan  4 18:06:53 2011
From: spetrosky at cinci.rr.com (spetrosky)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
Message-ID: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>

I purchased a new heater motor for my mga 1500 (moss # 363-040) and  
need help connecting to the wiring harness.

The harness has two wires, one green one black but the motor only has  
one new style connection, maybe a 1/4" spade type. how should this be  
hooked up.  Is the spade connector for the green wire? and I can  
attach the black wire to the housing for a ground?

any insight would be appreciated.



Steve Petrosky
paintrix / driver's road
***New Contact Information***
8711 Reading Road, E1
Cincinnati, Ohio 45215
spetrosky at cinci.rr.com
www.driversroad.com
513.490.5621

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Jan  4 20:07:54 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:07:54 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
References: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <518589.8617.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Steve,

-- First things first.  If there is no instruction sheet with the new 
motor telling you how to handle the incorrect wire terminal(s), then 
call the vendor immediatery to report the faulty part.  There should 
be two black wires with bullet connectors. Please let me (or us) know 
the response.  Can you send me a picture of the new motor and the wire ends?

Heater motor harness wires in MGA should be Black, and Green/browN 
(GN), not Green.  See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_f1.htm

All MGA and early MGB heater motors are not polarity sensitive.  They 
will run the same direction even if you switch the wires, which is 
why both wires on the motor are Black.  Difference between MGA and 
MGB is opposite rotation (different part number for the motor).  To 
reverse the rotation requires opening the motor housing to swap wires 
on the field coils (a minor soldering exercise).  Put your new motor 
an a battery to be sure it turns the right direction.

Later production MGB heater motor is polarity sensitive.  Switching 
wires makes it run backward.  These may bo permanent magnet motors 
(possibly more powerful for higher speed).  These motors will have 
color coded wires.

I think MGB GT V8 heater motor is shorter (about 1-inch), needed to 
clear the cylinder head on the V8 engine.  Got one of those from V.B. 
some years ago (one size fits all) and sent it back.  Pretty sure 
that one is a permanent magnet motor.  MGB 1975-1980 heater motor has 
three wires (possibly two speed?).

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 08:06 PM 1/4/2011 -0500, Steve Petrosky wrote:
>I purchased a new heater motor for my mga 1500 (moss # 363-040) and 
>need help connecting to the wiring harness.
>
>The harness has two wires, one green one black but the motor only 
>has one new style connection, maybe a 1/4" spade type. how should 
>this be hooked up.  Is the spade connector for the green wire? and I 
>can attach the black wire to the housing for a ground?
>....

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Tue Jan  4 20:10:15 2011
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:10:15 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
References: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000301cbac86$1359f9d0$3a0ded70$@net>

The Black wire can go to the housing but it probably isn't necessary. The
heater box will ground itself when it is attached to the car and should be
fine the new power wire connection is more important.



-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of spetrosky
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:07 PM
To: MG List List
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring

I purchased a new heater motor for my mga 1500 (moss # 363-040) and  
need help connecting to the wiring harness.

The harness has two wires, one green one black but the motor only has  
one new style connection, maybe a 1/4" spade type. how should this be  
hooked up.  Is the spade connector for the green wire? and I can  
attach the black wire to the housing for a ground?

any insight would be appreciated.



Steve Petrosky
paintrix / driver's road
***New Contact Information***
8711 Reading Road, E1
Cincinnati, Ohio 45215
spetrosky at cinci.rr.com
www.driversroad.com
513.490.5621
_______________________________________________

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  5 02:00:41 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:00:41 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
References: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
	<518589.8617.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0093C3EC49954A3785A280CE9A0A945F@paul>

FWIW the '2 speed' heater fan consists of a single-speed motor with a 
dropper resistor inside the heater unit casing.  For the first speed the 
current goes via the resistor to the motor, for the second speed the 
resistor is bypassed.  The resistor is in the air flow for cooling (common 
in more modern cars).

The Parts Catalogue indicates the motor was changed for *all* cars when the 
V8 was introduced in Dec 72, certainly by that time they are polarity 
sensitive.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ...  MGB 1975-1980 heater motor has three wires (possibly two speed?).

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  5 06:01:52 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>, ,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>,
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>

Speaking of hideous:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110631972072&vi
ewitem=

> From: mg_garage at comcast.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:16:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>
> I do recall seeing that in the past somewhere. Hideous.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:16 AM
> To: <frogeye at cox.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>
> > My apologies to everyone for the screwup. The photos are here:
> > http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
> >
> > Alan: I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >> From: frogeye at cox.net
> >> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or
not
> >> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
> >> your way?
> >> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
> >> Asking $1800?
> >>
> >> Alan
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
> >> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
> >> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've
> >> > seen
> >> > something like it somewhere on the web before.
> >> > The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like
> >> > a
> >> > typical home fabrication.
> >> > I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its
origin.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > -Mike Eldred
> >> > Wilmington, VT
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Jan  5 09:19:03 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:19:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
In-Reply-To: <0093C3EC49954A3785A280CE9A0A945F@paul>
References: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
	<518589.8617.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<0093C3EC49954A3785A280CE9A0A945F@paul>
Message-ID: <685800.37905.qm@smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does "all cars" mean all then current year (1972) models of MGB, or 
all prior buiilt MGB as replacement parts?

Even if it is all prior MGB, change of replacement part heater motor 
to "all cars" for MGB in 1972 does not necessarily revert to MGA, 
which is where this thread started.  Concours concious MGA folks may 
not like that idea.  The polarity sensitive MGB motor can be 
connected to turn the right way for MGA, but is it equal or better 
than the original part?  I have seen a heater motor for the MGB-V8, 
had one in my hands once and sent it back.  The thing is at least one 
inch shorter than the earlier motors, and all of that length is taken 
away from length of armature coils and field magnets.  Can a motor 
half as long internally be as powerful?

What's the heater motor look like after the change for '75 North 
American and '77 UK models when they changed to three wires?  I 
suppose that was after the V8 was out of production, and the shorter 
motor was no longer required.  Three speed without a resistor, Maybe?


At 09:00 AM 1/5/2011 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote:
>FWIW the '2 speed' heater fan consists of a single-speed motor with 
>a dropper resistor inside the heater unit casing.  For the first 
>speed the current goes via the resistor to the motor, for the second 
>speed the resistor is bypassed.  The resistor is in the air flow for 
>cooling (common in more modern cars).
>
>The Parts Catalogue indicates the motor was changed for *all* cars 
>when the V8 was introduced in Dec 72, certainly by that time they 
>are polarity sensitive.
>....


>----- Original Message -----
>>...  MGB 1975-1980 heater motor has three wires (possibly two speed?).

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  5 09:47:37 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:47:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets]   Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <C949D1E9.2CCD3%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
References: <1814092459.774706.1294234001333.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>,
	<C949D1E9.2CCD3%billyzoom@billyzoom.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W180C06FD57C1C0DFF81F14B7090@phx.gbl>

Yeah, but it has cup holders!

> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:44:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] [Mgs] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
> From: billyzoom at billyzoom.com
> To: ryan.kubanoff at comcast.net; redscirocco at hotmail.com
> CC: mg_garage at comcast.net; spridgets at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
>
> There's no stereo.

From v.navarrette at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 17:15:03 2011
From: v.navarrette at comcast.net (Vance Navarrette)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:15:03 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>, ,
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>,
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>,
	<829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
	<SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01cbad36$c4812bb0$4d838310$@navarrette@comcast.net>

	At least this guy is honest. Here is what he said about the
"vehicle" (if I may call it that):

"... we are making NO REPRESENTATIONS that this Frankenstein-ish MGB monster
is in any way a good running, reliable, roadworthy, safe, or otherwise nice
automobile."

	Vance

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Eldred
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:02 AM
To: mg_garage at comcast.net; mgs at autox.team.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous

Speaking of hideous:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110631972072&v
iewitem=

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  5 17:59:38 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:59:38 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C94A53FA.2E5CC%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I don't know how they titled this as a 1965. It is clearly 1980, or at least
1975. And the number they show as the VIN isn't a VIN -- it may be the body
number, I suppose. Maybe you can get away with these kinds of shenanigans in
Delaware, I don't know.

It probably doesn't matter because nobody will ever get the stupid thing
running.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 1/5/11 5:01 AM, Mike Eldred at redscirocco at hotmail.com wrote:

> Speaking of hideous:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110631972072&vi
> ewitem=
> 
>> From: mg_garage at comcast.net
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:16:26 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> 
>> I do recall seeing that in the past somewhere. Hideous.
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:16 AM
>> To: <frogeye at cox.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> 
>>> My apologies to everyone for the screwup. The photos are here:
>>> http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
>>> 
>>> Alan: I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
>>> 
>>> -Mike
>>> 
>>>> From: frogeye at cox.net
>>>> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or
> not
>>>> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget up
>>>> your way?
>>>> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
>>>> Asking $1800?
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
>>>> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've
>>>>> seen
>>>>> something like it somewhere on the web before.
>>>>> The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look like
>>>>> a
>>>>> typical home fabrication.
>>>>> I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its
> origin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Mike Eldred
>>>>> Wilmington, VT

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Jan  5 18:59:20 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <C94A53FA.2E5CC%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C94A53FA.2E5CC%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4D2521F8.6060801@justbrits.com>

<< I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw this. >>

WHY, Matt ??  At least it's a RBB !!!   LOL !!

<< It probably doesn't matter because nobody will ever get
the stupid thing running. >>

Why do you say that, Max ??  The gent says motor runs but has a
"fuel delivery" problem.  POC <G> !!  And if it has FWD probs I'll
bet most - if not all - the parts are available<BG> !!!

And whom ever was talking about the VIN, etc.; the gent says he
has a TITLE that says '65 <G> !!  So it's a CB converted - OMG am
I actually 'saying this? - to a RBB !?!?!

Oh well !!   LOL !!

Anon
<VBG> !

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Jan  5 19:12:52 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:12:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets]  Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksM8JE80EurLn07H1Z__yYOJTBTwCosnqVtjf_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
	<829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
	<SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTiksM8JE80EurLn07H1Z__yYOJTBTwCosnqVtjf_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D252524.9090009@justbrits.com>

Lin wrote:
"Shocked and horrified : ( "

in reply to Mike's post about the 1980 FWD MGB<G>:

<< On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Mike Eldred 
<redscirocco at hotmail.com> wrote: ......... >>

The '65 FWD - LMAO - is no worse than a Spridgeteer that posts
stuff to @ couple thousand folks [ <Gs + spridgets + and BBCs] doing
so with a 'handle' of	RED SCIROCCO [a VW for those that don't know] !!

LOL !!!

PPP

PS:  Kidding, Mike !!

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 23:02:25 2011
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:02:25 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG/ Hideous & Heinous
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W57D03B54DF27438DA393EEB7080@phx.gbl>
	<A8EFC0576252414F968D7DB36861C5BF@maind>
	<SNT124-W12AAA7A35B14CD2E908A1CB7080@phx.gbl>
	<829F5E8E3A8143BCB571EC4E9F90C68E@stargate>
	<SNT124-W27AA32E14820DB482FABE2B7090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSCVkH2r9tyfZoc7+beD7jmxYVHtsHO=h3KepC@mail.gmail.com>

I recall seeing a photo of an MGB body that had been put atop a Range
Rover floorpan and mechanicals. Probably some time in the '80s.

Simon

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Mike Eldred <redscirocco at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of hideous:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110631972072&vi
> ewitem=
>
>> From: mg_garage at comcast.net
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:16:26 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>>
>> I do recall seeing that in the past somewhere. Hideous.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:16 AM
>> To: <frogeye at cox.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>>
>> > My apologies to everyone for the screwup. The photos are here:
>> > http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/2129672772.html
>> >
>> > Alan: I didn't see the CL post you mention - do you still have the link?
>> >
>> > -Mike
>> >
>> >> From: frogeye at cox.net
>> >> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:08:23 -0500
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >> You can't send pics on here and I am not sure if you posted a link or
> not
>> >> I am wondering if you saw that hodge podge of parts added to a Midget
up
>> >> your way?
>> >> I saw it posted on Craigslist and wondered mself.
>> >> Asking $1800?
>> >>
>> >> Alan
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:35
>> >> Subject: [Spridgets] Custom SS MG?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Anyone seen anything like this before? It looks familiar, like I've
>> >> > seen
>> >> > something like it somewhere on the web before.
>> >> > The photos are kind of fuzzy, but the stainless work doesn't look
like
>> >> > a
>> >> > typical home fabrication.
>> >> > I'm not thinking about buying it, FYI. Just wondering about its
> origin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > -Mike Eldred
>> >> > Wilmington, VT
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  6 02:06:18 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:06:18 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] heater motor wiring
References: <1F7E180F-1A18-42B7-8F76-5FBFDB2822E7@cinci.rr.com>
	<518589.8617.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<0093C3EC49954A3785A280CE9A0A945F@paul>
	<685800.37905.qm@smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39783EA2A3C34C7393010F027CE108E0@paul>

By 'all cars' I mean both 4-cylinder and V8, from that point on.

As I said before the motor itself still only had two wires i.e. was 
single-speed even for the 2-speed system, the lower speed being obtained by 
passing the current through a dropper resistor in series with the motor as 
is common in many other cars, especially with 3-, 4- and 5-speed fans.  The 
motor part number *did* change when the 2-speed system was introduced, 
whether that was a more powerful motor to make better use of the two speeds 
('half' the speed of the original motor wouldn't be much use to anyone, 
being a bit like the panel light dimmer ...) or for other reasons I don't 
know.  The motor for the 2-speed system doesn't seem to project any more 
from the back of the heater casing in photographs than the previous one, I 
haven't measured them but I could.  Don't forget the motor body projects 
inside the casing as well as outside, there could have been a rearrangement 
there i.e. simply moving the mounting flange back to put more of the motor 
inside the heater casing in 1972.

I'm not aware of a 3-speed motor being provided on the MGB, unless you 
include 'off'.

Incidentally the two motor wires may have been black originally, that is 
what Clausager appears to show for a 62, but for a 64 and a 69 they are 
clearly both white which implies the polarity insensitive motor was still 
being used at that point.  72 and later models have the different-coloured 
motor wires.

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
> Does "all cars" mean all then current year (1972) models of MGB, or all 
> prior buiilt MGB as replacement parts?
>
> What's the heater motor look like after the change for '75 North American 
> and '77 UK models when they changed to three wires?  I suppose that was 
> after the V8 was out of production, and the shorter motor was no longer 
> required.  Three speed without a resistor, Maybe?

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Mon Jan 10 20:19:41 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:19:41 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
Message-ID: <711PakDsp9664S04.1294715981@web04.cms.usa.net>

Thanks for all the assistance. My GT is now safely moved from the
Massachusetts Berkshires to the Nashville vicinity. 800 miles being towed on
clear roads on Saturday and Sunday, and the last 200+ driven on account of
last-night's snowfall.

I made up an angle-iron front-bumper to bolt the universal towbar to. I
wondered where to connect the safety chains on the MG, as connecting them to
the bumper-brackets seemed a bit superfluous -- like chaining the towbar to
itself for safety. In the end I looped the chains through the A-arms and
adjusted them so that they wouldn't drag.

It was a great experience, and most of the time I didn't even notice that the
car was behind me. At one point I must have somehow snagged the cable to the
magnetic stop-turn-tail lights, because it snapped and I had to stop and put
in a splice, but other than that it was smooth going. It was much easier than
I expected to maintain a double-safe following distance in traffic on
I87/84/81.

As I teach most of the year and then work in New England for the summers,
towing the MG on this route may become a regular habit. It is nice for us to
each have a car while we are up there.

Douglas
'70 MGB-GT

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Mon Jan 10 20:36:05 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:36:05 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
Message-ID: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>

Of the twin SU variety.
I haven't had much occasion in recent years to take this car on the
interstate
highway. At first this morning all was fine, but then I noticed in the East
TN
long uphill stretches that the more I pressed the accelerator pedal the
slower
I seemed to go. At times I could only maintain a speed of about 50 MPH, which
as it turned out was fine because I was pacing the large trucks that were no
faster. If I let off the pedal a bit, that seemed to give the engine a bit
more energy, but not enough to increase the speed at all.

Eventually I discovered that if I let up the pedal fully and then pushed down
again I would get the full power that I was used to, but it would eventually
bog down again. By pulsing the pedal off every so often I was able to keep up
with any traffic I wanted to keep up with, even on the long steep uphills.

This made the last 200 miles of my journey tolerable, but obviously this is
something I want to fix. And I suspect that some of you who have a better
understanding of the mechanics of the fuel system than I do might know
offhand
what would cause this sort of behavior.

Douglas
'70 MGB-GT

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 21:59:55 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:59:55 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
In-Reply-To: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=X_KsLxsuDVyQanPScOqSpDvHcAngNE2WDpK25@mail.gmail.com>

I would look at a fuel delivery problem.
Sounds like at full throttle your engine is using fuel just a bit faster
than it is being delivered from the pump.  Leave your foot to the floor and
you basically run out of gas.
Take your foot off the gas, and the float bowels fill back up and you are
good for a while.
Check your float settings and you fuel delivery rate.
Might be time for a new fuel filter.
Rick

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>wrote:

> Of the twin SU variety.
> I haven't had much occasion in recent years to take this car on the
> interstate
> highway. At first this morning all was fine, but then I noticed in the East
> TN
> long uphill stretches that the more I pressed the accelerator pedal the
> slower
> I seemed to go. At times I could only maintain a speed of about 50 MPH,
> which
> as it turned out was fine because I was pacing the large trucks that were
> no
> faster. If I let off the pedal a bit, that seemed to give the engine a bit
> more energy, but not enough to increase the speed at all.
>
> Eventually I discovered that if I let up the pedal fully and then pushed
> down
> again I would get the full power that I was used to, but it would
> eventually
> bog down again. By pulsing the pedal off every so often I was able to keep
> up
> with any traffic I wanted to keep up with, even on the long steep uphills.
>
> This made the last 200 miles of my journey tolerable, but obviously this is
> something I want to fix. And I suspect that some of you who have a better
> understanding of the mechanics of the fuel system than I do might know
> offhand
> what would cause this sort of behavior.
>
> Douglas
> '70 MGB-GT
> _______________________________________________
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon Jan 10 22:00:36 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:00:36 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
In-Reply-To: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <158692.13050.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Most likely a clogged fuel filter of screen, or a low flow fuel 
pump.  Start by disconnecting the hose feeding the carbs.  Hold it in 
a catch vessel, switch on, and check teh fuel flow.  You should get a 
veritable gusher, at least one pint per minute.  If not, then check 
for a kinked fuel pipe, check the screen in the fuel pump, check for 
an air leak in the line between tank and pump, check for anstructed 
pickup inside the tank.

If you have good fuel flow at the feed hose, then check the screens 
in the float chamber inlet ports.  Since you can sometimes get full 
power for some time, there is likely no problem with fuel feed from 
the float chambers to the main jets.  Problem is most liekly loss of 
fuel level in the float chamber(s).  This might also be caused by a 
faulty float valve or a sticking (or less likely sinking) float.


At 03:36 AM 1/11/2011 +0000, Douglas McKinnie wrote:
>....
>.... on the interstate highway. At first this morning all was fine, 
>but  then I noticed in the East TN long uphill stretches that the 
>more I pressed the accelerator pedal the slower I seemed to go. At 
>times I could only maintain a speed of about 50 MPH, .... If I let 
>off the pedal a bit, that seemed to give the engine a bit more 
>energy, but not enough to increase the speed at all.
>
>Eventually I discovered that if I let up the pedal fully and then 
>pushed down again I would get the full power that I was used to, but 
>it would eventually bog down again. By pulsing the pedal off every 
>so often I was able to keep up with any traffic I wanted to keep up 
>with, even on the long steep uphills.
>
>.... what would cause this sort of behavior.
>....

From v.navarrette at comcast.net  Mon Jan 10 22:31:54 2011
From: v.navarrette at comcast.net (Vance Navarrette)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:31:54 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
In-Reply-To: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <001501cbb150$db74dc40$925e94c0$@navarrette@comcast.net>

	Sounds like the fuel flow to the carbs is marginal. Pump is on its
way out, or perhaps the fuel filter is partially clogged, and not allowing
enough flow.

	Closing the throttle allowed the pump to refill the float bowls
enough to get the power back up - until you slowly drained them on the next
long hill.

	That's my $0.00002 worth.

	Vance

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Douglas McKinnie
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:36 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors

Of the twin SU variety.


<snip>

Eventually I discovered that if I let up the pedal fully and then pushed
down
again I would get the full power that I was used to, but it would eventually
bog down again. By pulsing the pedal off every so often I was able to keep
up
with any traffic I wanted to keep up with, even on the long steep uphills.

<snip>

Douglas
'70 MGB-GT

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 01:46:20 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
In-Reply-To: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
References: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <0A860077-A08A-4ED7-82A4-A214C52257A9@gmail.com>

I'd go through a tuning of the carbs as normal.

A couple things to look for. The first, and easiest, is oil in the dashpots.
To me it sounds like they are opening too wide.

The second is air leaks. Throttle shaft ends, and connection to the manifold.


On Jan 10, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Douglas McKinnie wrote:

> Of the twin SU variety.
> I haven't had much occasion in recent years to take this car on the
> interstate
> highway. At first this morning all was fine, but then I noticed in the East
> TN
> long uphill stretches that the more I pressed the accelerator pedal the
> slower
> I seemed to go. At times I could only maintain a speed of about 50 MPH,
which
> as it turned out was fine because I was pacing the large trucks that were
no
> faster. If I let off the pedal a bit, that seemed to give the engine a bit
> more energy, but not enough to increase the speed at all.
>
> Eventually I discovered that if I let up the pedal fully and then pushed
down
> again I would get the full power that I was used to, but it would
eventually
> bog down again. By pulsing the pedal off every so often I was able to keep
up
> with any traffic I wanted to keep up with, even on the long steep uphills.
>
> This made the last 200 miles of my journey tolerable, but obviously this is
> something I want to fix. And I suspect that some of you who have a better
> understanding of the mechanics of the fuel system than I do might know
> offhand
> what would cause this sort of behavior.
>
> Douglas
> '70 MGB-GT
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From jello at cableone.net  Tue Jan 11 08:55:13 2011
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:55:13 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
Message-ID: <49785.1294761313@cableone.net>


From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 09:49:14 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:49:14 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Carburetors
In-Reply-To: <001501cbb150$db74dc40$925e94c0$@navarrette@comcast.net>
References: <532PakDjF7984S03.1294716965@web03.cms.usa.net>
	<001501cbb150$db74dc40$925e94c0$@navarrette@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D2C8A0A.8000707@gmail.com>

On 1/10/2011 11:31 PM, Vance Navarrette wrote:
> 	Sounds like the fuel flow to the carbs is marginal. Pump is on its
> way out, or perhaps the fuel filter is partially clogged, and not allowing
> enough flow.
>
> 	Closing the throttle allowed the pump to refill the float bowls
> enough to get the power back up - until you slowly drained them on the next
> long hill.
>
> 	That's my $0.00002 worth.
May I add that if you're down hard on the go-pedal and the car is not responding, the mixture is very lean from fuel starvation and you can burn the exhaust valves really fast.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From jello at cableone.net  Tue Jan 11 11:03:02 2011
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:03:02 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] RE [mgs] Carburetors - in text
Message-ID: <50881.1294768982@cableone.net>

As several others suggested - check the fuel system for clogs, etc.

Make sure you have oil in the carburetor tops.

There are arguements over what oil to use - some say ATF, which is relatively
non-
temperature depenednt for viscosity, others say use the same grade oil you are
using in your engine - which will change across the year.  But make sure there
is
oil in there, and the dashpots/suction tampers can move freely.

Phil Bates

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Jan 11 18:27:08 2011
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:27:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Dealer A/C units
Message-ID: <4D2D036C.9020308@comcast.net>

Dear List,

I'm looking for photos (especially) and info for US dealer installed air 
conditioning systems for '70 or earlier cars. I've got some info for 
rubbercars, but I'm looking for info on, let's say, earlier than 1970, 
particularly steel dash cars.

The only information that I don't need is how poorly they worked.

Mainly at this point, I need photos of the evaporator and fan motors and 
how they were installed.

Thanks,

Glenn

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 12:08:08 2011
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:08:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Dealer A/C units
In-Reply-To: <4D2D036C.9020308@comcast.net>
References: <4D2D036C.9020308@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D2DFC18.6020505@gmail.com>

On 1/11/2011 7:27 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I'm looking for photos (especially) and info for US dealer installed 
> air conditioning systems for '70 or earlier cars. I've got some info 
> for rubbercars, but I'm looking for info on, let's say, earlier than 
> 1970, particularly steel dash cars.
>
> The only information that I don't need is how poorly they worked.
>
> Mainly at this point, I need photos of the evaporator and fan motors 
> and how they were installed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
I have a wrecked MGB stored at a local salvage yard with the factory-installed A/C. It's very nasty and cold here right now. If you want photos when the weather breaks, let me know. I'm also willing to sell the car.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan 13 05:39:01 2011
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:39:01 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Dealer A/C units
Message-ID: <20110113.073901.16249.3@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

 There is an advert in the MGB  Driver for an ac unit. You might try to
contact the seller for help, even though you may not want to buy it.Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Glenn Schnittke <g.schnittke at comcast.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Dealer A/C units
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:27:08 -0600

Dear List,

I'm looking for photos (especially) and info for US dealer installed air
conditioning systems for '70 or earlier cars. I've got some info for
rubbercars, but I'm looking for info on, let's say, earlier than 1970,
particularly steel dash cars.

The only information that I don't need is how poorly they worked.

Mainly at this point, I need photos of the evaporator and fan motors and
how they were installed.

Thanks,

Glenn
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From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jan 13 12:31:05 2011
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
Message-ID: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
Looking for new tires for my 53 TD. The Michelin XZX's 165SR15's on  
the car give you some idea of how old they are(not admitting to  
anything) but find that size very hard to come by.
What can you recommend? and where do I get them?
Also gives me the opportunity to have the wheels blasted and powder  
coated. Any recommendations in central Florida?
cheers,
Dave Houser

From RKunst at C-K.com  Thu Jan 13 13:40:17 2011
From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:40:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
In-Reply-To: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C954BF51.D530%rkunst@c-k.com>

Dave, did you try Coker Tire?


On 1/13/11 1:31 PM, "W. David Houser" <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Listers,
Looking for new tires for my 53 TD. The Michelin XZX's 165SR15's on
the car give you some idea of how old they are(not admitting to
anything) but find that size very hard to come by.
What can you recommend? and where do I get them?
Also gives me the opportunity to have the wheels blasted and powder
coated. Any recommendations in central Florida?
cheers,
Dave Houser

From don at napanet.net  Thu Jan 13 14:01:54 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
In-Reply-To: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20110113210201.91946AE674@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

I think the only tires that are exact replacements are the ones from 
Coker.  Their Vredestein is a little over $100 and the Michelin is 
$260.  Yikes.  I used to see Avons in that size, and they may be 
available but not in the US.
My MGA has old Michelin XZXs on it.  They do seem to hold up well, 
but are probably dangerous.

http://store.cokertire.com/165hr15-michelin-xas.html


Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars




At 11:31 AM 1/13/2011, W. David Houser wrote:
>Listers,
>Looking for new tires for my 53 TD. The Michelin XZX's 165SR15's on
>the car give you some idea of how old they are(not admitting to
>anything) but find that size very hard to come by.
>What can you recommend? and where do I get them?
>Also gives me the opportunity to have the wheels blasted and powder
>coated. Any recommendations in central Florida?
>cheers,
>Dave Houser

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan 13 15:11:31 2011
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:11:31 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
Message-ID: <20110113.171131.1734.6@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

  Two or three years ago Sports & Classics, Stamford CT, supplied Lexington
165/80 x 15s.  They are big and "balooney" looking, rather close in appearance
(for a radial) to the original Dunlop 5.50 x 15 spare that has never been
used.   Lexington is not, however, from Lexington MA. It's Chinese.  The tire
installer who mounted them bent three of four rims. The company that
straightened the wheels told me that tires can stick mighty tight to wheels
over time and that our TD rims are thin and soft. The old Firestone
"gum-dipped" tires had been on the rims ten or more years, so it could have
been adhesion rather than clumsiness that bent the wheels. Bob   ----------
Original Message ----------
From: "W. David Houser" <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>
To: MGList List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:31:05 -0500

Listers,
Looking for new tires for my 53 TD. The Michelin XZX's 165SR15's on
the car give you some idea of how old they are(not admitting to
anything) but find that size very hard to come by.
What can you recommend? and where do I get them?
Also gives me the opportunity to have the wheels blasted and powder
coated. Any recommendations in central Florida?
cheers,
Dave Houser
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From hardt at sonic.net  Thu Jan 13 16:27:18 2011
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:27:18 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
In-Reply-To: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F8A56.3050408@sonic.net>

I got my 165-15 Kumho Powerstars online from Tire Rack...delivered and
installed locally. They were inexpensive and handle superbly.

Ron
58 MGA

W. David Houser wrote:

> Listers,
> Looking for new tires for my 53 TD. The Michelin XZX's 165SR15's on  the 
> car give you some idea of how old they are(not admitting to  anything) 
> but find that size very hard to come by.
> What can you recommend? and where do I get them?
> Also gives me the opportunity to have the wheels blasted and powder  
> coated. Any recommendations in central Florida?
> cheers,
> Dave Houser

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 13 18:24:41 2011
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] TD tires
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8A56.3050408@sonic.net>
References: <3A2055B2-D71C-4D1D-BB42-9754F5403077@tampabay.rr.com>
	<4D2F8A56.3050408@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4D2FA5D9.7080401@sbcglobal.net>

How long ago did you get the Kumhos?  I heard good reports on them and 
tried to order a set for my Morgan.  They were on back order for over 6 
months before I gave up and ordered a set of Michelins from Coker.  BTW, 
the Michelins from Coker are real Michelins, not reproductions.

Charles Hill

On 1/13/2011 5:27 PM, Ron Engelhardt wrote:
> I got my 165-15 Kumho Powerstars online from Tire Rack...delivered and
> installed locally. They were inexpensive and handle superbly.
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Jan 15 18:11:01 2011
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:11:01 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [9issa] American Pie   (AKA  "Frank's Anthem" !!!!)
Message-ID: <4D3245A5.7090801@justbrits.com>

JUST in to my "Joke Section" with MANY SINCERE THANKS from
a Big Healey chap, aka Mr. Bill !!!   THANK YOU, BILL 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE only forward to folks you KNOW will NOT abuse this Link
by "Hot Linking" it !!!  It is only gonna stay up for a few days before
I move it to the 'secure' Joke Section !!!

I am pretty sure that not only is this 'little ditty' "Frank's Anthem",
but he musta 'contributed' to the lyrics !!!   LOL !!!

http://www.justbrits.com/notifications/American_Pie.wmv

If you 'approve of' and/or 'like' Asian Parts, be SURE to pass it on !!
LMAO !!!

Ed

PS:  PLEASE don't everybody use the link right away.  WAIT a bit !
PPS:  If you know someone that would like to HAVE the clip, please
feel free to ask them to write me.  Be HAPPY to share !!!!

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Jan 16 07:50:55 2011
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:50:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Late steering column ...
Message-ID: <EDBBF7FB0D6E4FF49B0ABA7534086CAB@paul>

... with the flange at the bottom secured to the toe-board with three bolts
which are part of the alignment of the column and rack shafts.

Is this flange attached to the column?  And if so how?  The parts catalogues
indicate they are an assembly, but mine is completely detached and just fell
off.  There seems little likelihood it could be used for alignment of the
column as there is at least 1/8" clearance all the way round between the
column tube and the flange.  There is a ring welded to the tube near the
bottom, which the flange can butt up against as if it is supposed to be welded
to it, but that puts the flange a good half an inch away from the toe-board
when the pointers on the shafts are correctly aligned.  In any case in and out
movement is part of the alignment process, if the flange were permanently
fixed to the column tube that couldn't happen, so it must move.  But as I say
the flange is not a separate part in the catalogues, only a rubber sealing
gasket that goes between the flange and the toe-board.

PaulH.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 06:38:53 2011
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:38:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
Message-ID: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 'pro-street' look, I guess....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s1600/customMGB-1.jpg


 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 18 06:53:05 2011
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:53:05 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRcy-FtBHaTies1zEdEFXs02cnnONorWWggPzD@mail.gmail.com>

Yikes!!  To glance at that car I might not have even realised it was a BGT -
from that angle the most noticable feature is the headlamp recess.

On closer inspection the bonnet and tailgate are pretty recognisable, and
the side crease comes straight from the RV8.

What I would like to know is, how do you get into it?  Via the boot-lid?  I
don't see any door-handles...

Richard

On 18 January 2011 13:38, Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The 'pro-street' look, I guess....
>
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s1600/customMGB-1.jpg
>
>
>  Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer
> '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
> NAMGBR #5-2328
> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
> http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 18 08:38:27 2011
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W10B6E79B6D114D05241889B7F70@phx.gbl>

I'd say the guy standing next to it is the owner.  Judging from the trousers.



> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:38:53 -0800
> From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com
> To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
>
> The 'pro-street' look, I guess....
>
>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s16
00/customMGB-1.jpg
>
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer
> '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
> NAMGBR #5-2328
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Tue Jan 18 08:55:00 2011
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:55:00 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W10B6E79B6D114D05241889B7F70@phx.gbl>
References: <451052.23866.qm@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT124-W10B6E79B6D114D05241889B7F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D35B7D4.8030509@cox.net>

On 1/18/2011 7:38 AM, Mike Eldred wrote:
> I'd say the guy standing next to it is the owner.  Judging from the trousers.
>
and the mullet.....

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 10:28:20 2011
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:28:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
Message-ID: <21252.69272e62.3a6727b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/18/2011 5:39:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
d_dibiase at yahoo.com writes:

_http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s
1600/customMGB-1.jpg_ 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s1600/customMGB-1.jpg)  
 
I rather like the look. Plus from what I could see the metal work looks  
spot on! I don't know if the MGBGT's low undercarriage to ground height could  
pose problems entering driveways or going over Rail Road tracks but I 
imagine  its ground effects could be as plus. Also is that a V-8 I see under the  
bonnet?...Well I guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring 
the  GT back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might  
actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or 
even  Mopar item. Making it easy to buy replacement parts which would  be as 
close as your nearest Pep Boys or  Auto-Zone......
--=Safety-Fast=--
Alberto Escalante
Currently, I'MGB less... 
But still among the faithful  

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 10:37:16 2011
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:37:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <21252.69272e62.3a6727b4@aol.com>
References: <21252.69272e62.3a6727b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DF398655-2005-4554-94CE-4AE2C222F006@gmail.com>

The nose is kinda funny. Like some sheet of plastic over a RB, and then
smoothed out.

The windshield looks chopped. I kind of like that look. Which makes me want
too see what the hatch is like.



On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/18/2011 5:39:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> d_dibiase at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
_http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s
> 1600/customMGB-1.jpg_
>
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s1
600/customMGB-1.jpg)
>
> I rather like the look. Plus from what I could see the metal work looks
> spot on! I don't know if the MGBGT's low undercarriage to ground height
could
> pose problems entering driveways or going over Rail Road tracks but I
> imagine  its ground effects could be as plus. Also is that a V-8 I see under
the
> bonnet?...Well I guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
> the  GT back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might
> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
> even  Mopar item. Making it easy to buy replacement parts which would  be as
> close as your nearest Pep Boys or  Auto-Zone......
> --=Safety-Fast=--
> Alberto Escalante
> Currently, I'MGB less...
> But still among the faithful
> _______________________________________________
>
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 10:37:19 2011
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:37:19 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
Message-ID: <b9dce.3e2fcfae.3a6729cf@aol.com>

Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh  
too much (and I own a couple).
 
No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question 
the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception and 
quality of execution don't always latch see 
_http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_ 
(http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg) 
 
Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
 
BIll
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:

Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring 
the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might 
  
actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or  
even  Mopar item. 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue Jan 18 10:57:31 2011
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:57:31 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
References: <b9dce.3e2fcfae.3a6729cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9354C744923C42BD9EE8F1CA40E341F2@uw471de61b465c>

Such a car is forbidden overhere.
Wheels should not be outside the car, but be inside the wheel arch.

Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
To: <Aeseeyou at aol.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....


> Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh
> too much (and I own a couple).
>
> No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question
> the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception 
> and
> quality of execution don't always latch see
> _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
> (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
>
> Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
>
> BIll
>
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
>
> Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
> the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP 
> might
>
> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
> even  Mopar item.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 18 11:27:41 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <b9dce.3e2fcfae.3a6729cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C95B1B9D.2E97F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

You could never use a Mopar small block V8 in an MG for the same reason that
Chrysler killed the Sunbeam Tiger -- the distributor is mounted at the
center back of the block, and would never fit under the cowl (or if it did,
it would be totally inaccessible). When Chrysler bought Rootes, they
naturally wouldn't continue using the Ford V8, and when they realized their
V8 could never be made to fit, they dropped the model.

Which is too bad, because if the 273 would have fit, so would a 340, which
would have kicked some serious tail...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/18/11 9:37 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh
> too much (and I own a couple).
>  
> No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question
> the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception and
> quality of execution don't always latch see
> _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
> (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
>  
> Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
>  
> BIll
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
> 
> Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
> the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might
>   
> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
> even  Mopar item. 

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Jan 18 12:29:51 2011
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:29:51 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <9354C744923C42BD9EE8F1CA40E341F2@uw471de61b465c>
References: <b9dce.3e2fcfae.3a6729cf@aol.com>
	<9354C744923C42BD9EE8F1CA40E341F2@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <9EA9E28C-FA96-4913-88DD-6CE468822524@ghs.com.au>

Proof as if it were ever needed that the EU is still the bastion of good
taste..... Laws that prevent such an abomination should be welcome
everywhere.
Its bloody hideous.....

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 19/01/2011, at 3:57 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:

> Such a car is forbidden overhere.
> Wheels should not be outside the car, but be inside the wheel arch.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans 71 BGT
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
> To: <Aeseeyou at aol.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
>
>
>> Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh
>> too much (and I own a couple).
>>
>> No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question
>> the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception
and
>> quality of execution don't always latch see
>> _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
>> (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
>>
>> Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
>>
>> BIll
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
>>
>> Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
>> the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP
might
>>
>> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
>> even  Mopar item.
> _______________________________________________
>
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Murray G. Arundell
Managing Director
GHS Pty Ltd
Glaziers Hardware Supplies
Brisbane, Australia
Phone:  +617 3277 1255
Fax:      +617 3875 1256
Email:   arundell at ghs.com.au

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Jan 18 16:21:32 2011
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs]  Interesting BGT....
Message-ID: <013501cbb766$7157d580$6401a8c0@normoffice>

As an ex-hot rodder, drag racer, & customizer, I think this BGT dragster is
awesome.
 
I'd love to see more images especially with the hood & hatch closed.  I
wonder if it's just a shell over tube frame.
 
Norm
Wire Wheel Classics has what's left of my old MGB for sale if anyone is
interested.  It's the blue one.

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Jan 19 12:42:30 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <C95B1B9D.2E97F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <b9dce.3e2fcfae.3a6729cf@aol.com>
	<C95B1B9D.2E97F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E1Pfje9-0003Ra-T0@gamma.look.ca>

..............and thus the MGB GT V8 !!  The Rover V8 when installed 
is only a few pounds more. I had my one weighed and is it was 50./50 
distribution

At 01:27 PM 1/18/2011, Max Heim wrote:
>You could never use a Mopar small block V8 in an MG for the same reason that
>Chrysler killed the Sunbeam Tiger -- the distributor is mounted at the
>center back of the block, and would never fit under the cowl (or if it did,
>it would be totally inaccessible). When Chrysler bought Rootes, they
>naturally wouldn't continue using the Ford V8, and when they realized their
>V8 could never be made to fit, they dropped the model.
>
>Which is too bad, because if the 273 would have fit, so would a 340, which
>would have kicked some serious tail...
>
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>on 1/18/11 9:37 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh
> > too much (and I own a couple).
> >
> > No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question
> > the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception and
> > quality of execution don't always latch see
> > _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
> > (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
> >
> > Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
> >
> > BIll
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
> >
> > Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
> > the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might
> >
> > actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
> > even  Mopar item.
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705--721-9060 

From rshellen at comcast.net  Thu Jan 20 09:26:32 2011
From: rshellen at comcast.net (Ron Shellenberger)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:26:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT
Message-ID: <206332645.81021.1295540792721.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

You don't have to like it, but its not fair to bash it.B  The workmanship
looks very good, and customs are always somebodies vision. you may not like
the concept, but the level ofB work and detail are what should be judged. If
you don't like something -move on -don't bash the person for what they like.
Good workmanship should be admired by any car guy, what ever it is on.



Ron Shellenberger

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 11:04:51 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <E1Pfje9-0003Ra-T0@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <C95DB943.2EA57%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, yeah. Though the 3.9 Buick/Rover output was about half of a 5.6 Mopar,
for example. Still, a great combo, that should have been marketed in the US,
where it would have sold like hotcakes.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/19/11 11:42 AM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote:

> 
> ..............and thus the MGB GT V8 !!  The Rover V8 when installed
> is only a few pounds more. I had my one weighed and is it was 50./50
> distribution
> 
> At 01:27 PM 1/18/2011, Max Heim wrote:
>> You could never use a Mopar small block V8 in an MG for the same reason that
>> Chrysler killed the Sunbeam Tiger -- the distributor is mounted at the
>> center back of the block, and would never fit under the cowl (or if it did,
>> it would be totally inaccessible). When Chrysler bought Rootes, they
>> naturally wouldn't continue using the Ford V8, and when they realized their
>> V8 could never be made to fit, they dropped the model.
>> 
>> Which is too bad, because if the 273 would have fit, so would a 340, which
>> would have kicked some serious tail...
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>> 
>> 
>> on 1/18/11 9:37 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that doesn't weigh
>>> too much (and I own a couple).
>>> 
>>> No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have to  question
>>> the conception of this project though.  For more proof that  conception and
>>> quality of execution don't always latch see
>>> _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
>>> (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
>>> 
>>> Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
>>> 
>>> BIll
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>> Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
>>> 
>>> Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
>>> the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple hundred HP might
>>> 
>>> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a GM, FOMOCO or
>>> even  Mopar item.
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Mgs at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> 
> Regards
> 
> Barrie
> barrie at look.ca
> 705--721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 20 12:16:34 2011
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:16:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT....
In-Reply-To: <C95DB943.2EA57%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <E1Pfje9-0003Ra-T0@gamma.look.ca>
	<C95DB943.2EA57%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E1Pg007-0001aV-HN@iota.look.ca>

The standard Mopar V8 is 325bhp which is probably too much for an 
MGB................and the front end weight would be very awkward. 
The V8 is around 550lbs WOW!  You could easily get 325 out of the 
Rover (the Aussies do 1,000bhp) and weight distribution is not compromised.




At 01:04 PM 1/20/2011, Max Heim wrote:
>Well, yeah. Though the 3.9 Buick/Rover output was about half of a 5.6 Mopar,
>for example. Still, a great combo, that should have been marketed in the US,
>where it would have sold like hotcakes.
>
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>on 1/19/11 11:42 AM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote:
>
> >
> > ..............and thus the MGB GT V8 !!  The Rover V8 when installed
> > is only a few pounds more. I had my one weighed and is it was 50./50
> > distribution
> >
> > At 01:27 PM 1/18/2011, Max Heim wrote:
> >> You could never use a Mopar small block V8 in an MG for the same 
> reason that
> >> Chrysler killed the Sunbeam Tiger -- the distributor is mounted at the
> >> center back of the block, and would never fit under the cowl (or 
> if it did,
> >> it would be totally inaccessible). When Chrysler bought Rootes, they
> >> naturally wouldn't continue using the Ford V8, and when they 
> realized their
> >> V8 could never be made to fit, they dropped the model.
> >>
> >> Which is too bad, because if the 273 would have fit, so would a 340, which
> >> would have kicked some serious tail...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Max Heim
> >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> >> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> >>
> >>
> >> on 1/18/11 9:37 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ford, yes, GM possibly, but I can't think of a Mopar V8 that 
> doesn't weigh
> >>> too much (and I own a couple).
> >>>
> >>> No doubt that the execution is very well done.  One does have 
> to  question
> >>> the conception of this project though.  For more proof 
> that  conception and
> >>> quality of execution don't always latch see
> >>> _http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg_
> >>> (http://www.flyinmiata.com/images/misc_images/MGA/IMG_3831.jpg)
> >>>
> >>> Wait until I get the lifts for my MGA low rider, though.....
> >>>
> >>> BIll
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:28:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >>> Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:
> >>>
> >>> Well I  guess since the owner wasn't too concerned about restoring
> >>> the  GT  back to it's original appearance, adding a couple 
> hundred HP might
> >>>
> >>> actually be considered a plus. Especially if the engine is a 
> GM, FOMOCO or
> >>> even  Mopar item.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Mgs at autox.team.net
> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Barrie
> > barrie at look.ca
> > 705--721-9060
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
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From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Jan 20 12:27:21 2011
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT...  + Rover V8
Message-ID: <007e01cbb8d8$0f7120b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Have any of you seen the BGT V8s that are being vintage raced?  Awesome!

One reason we didn't get the ex-BOP, then Rover V8-engined BGTs was the EPA
regs.  And, Nixon wasn't a "car guy."  Must have hated them since he was the
one who proposed the EPA.  Granted, we certainly needed it.  Because under
the "free market" no-holds-barred attitude of the time we suffered.  I
remember the first time I flew into LA in early '70s you couldn't see the
ground at mid-day until you were over the 110, maybe not even until the 405.

BTW, Athens, Greece suffered much the same because of the similar geography
- ocean, flat-land and ringed by mountains.  Saw the same thing there.  But,
it still has problems because the Greeks haven't done much about it.  I was
fortunate in that I missed most of the real bad days when driving was
restricted within the city.

Drive fast & clean.

Norm

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Jan 20 13:27:44 2011
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <711PakDsp9664S04.1294715981@web04.cms.usa.net>
References: <711PakDsp9664S04.1294715981@web04.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4D389AC0.4000200@ktc.com>

Doug,

For future reference; the safety chains are supposed to connect the to 
the towing vehicle, in case the towbar somehow disconnects from the hitch.

CR

On 1/10/2011 9:19 PM, Douglas McKinnie wrote:
> Thanks for all the assistance. My GT is now safely moved from the
> Massachusetts Berkshires to the Nashville vicinity. 800 miles being towed on
> clear roads on Saturday and Sunday, and the last 200+ driven on account of
> last-night's snowfall.
>
> I made up an angle-iron front-bumper to bolt the universal towbar to. I
> wondered where to connect the safety chains on the MG, as connecting them to
> the bumper-brackets seemed a bit superfluous -- like chaining the towbar to
> itself for safety. In the end I looped the chains through the A-arms and
> adjusted them so that they wouldn't drag.
>
> It was a great experience, and most of the time I didn't even notice that the
> car was behind me. At one point I must have somehow snagged the cable to the
> magnetic stop-turn-tail lights, because it snapped and I had to stop and put
> in a splice, but other than that it was smooth going. It was much easier than
> I expected to maintain a double-safe following distance in traffic on
> I87/84/81.
>
> As I teach most of the year and then work in New England for the summers,
> towing the MG on this route may become a regular habit. It is nice for us to
> each have a car while we are up there.
>
> Douglas
> '70 MGB-GT
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Jan 20 13:42:58 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:42:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <4D389AC0.4000200@ktc.com>
References: <711PakDsp9664S04.1294715981@web04.cms.usa.net>
	<4D389AC0.4000200@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <592322.7981.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The obligation for safety chains is across the hitch connection at 
the towing vehicle.  That means across the hitch ball coupling (if it 
is a ball).  I suppose it is rashly assumed that the hitch mechanism 
is securely attached to the towed vehicle, as would be the case when 
towing a trailer.  I'm not sure if regulators would be sharp enough 
to define the required coupling between a tow bar and a towed vehicle.


At 02:27 PM 1/20/2011 -0600, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>....
>For future reference; the safety chains are supposed to connect the 
>to the towing vehicle, in case the towbar somehow disconnects from the hitch.
>
>CR
>....

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Thu Jan 20 19:21:38 2011
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:21:38 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
Message-ID: <565PaucuM8224S02.1295576498@web02.cms.usa.net>

My universal-tow-bar came with attachment points for chains to connect to the
towing vehicle (under the hitch ball connection) and also attachment points
to
connect to the towed vehicle (failsafe for towbar to "toad" connection).

I looked up instruction manuals for high-end towbars from Blue-Ox and
Roadmaster, and both companies specify slinky-style coiled safety cables that
connect directly from the towing vehicle to the towed vehicle under the
towbar.
The high-end towbars are designed to be used with a "baseplate" custom-fit to
the towed vehicle front frame, and there is a chain attachment point on the
baseplate.

My psychological problem was: I was relying upon the bumper brackets to be a
structurally reliable towing connection, knowing that they were not designed
for that purpose. If I was going to bother to make a safety to the towed car,
I thought I should connect to some other structural part than the bumper
brackets. I did not expect a failure, but if there was a failure, then the
attachment at the bumper-brackets was where I would expect it to be -- it was
my "known unknown".

It turned out that in my shed were two lengths of 3/8" eye-to-eye wire-rope
rigging sling, that were the same length and the right length to connect from
the safety chain-eyes on my hitch to the A-Arms. I used a bit of High test
chain over each A-arm to secure the MGB end, passed the aircraft-cable
through
the chain eyes on the universal tow bar, and crossed them under the ball.
There was adequate slack for turning, but very little slack overall, and the
cables would have cradled the tow-bar had it come loose from the ball.

Now that I've pulled the car hundreds of miles, I'm much more confident in
the
bumper brackets, and may choose to connect safety cables there rather then
crawl under the car each time. I won't have the concern of the chain rubbing
near the A-arm bushings as the car travels.

And now that I know I'm happy pulling the MGB behind, I am actually willing
to
spend money on the equipment to do so. So I am currently deciding between
noisy chains or quiet coated-steel wire-rope for new safety chains, and plan
to use 4 short ones (as my towbar is designed to use), rather than two long
ones. I am pondering installing a 4-pin trailer lighting harness from the
front to the back of the car, bidding on "toad brake" systems on ebay, etc.

Douglas
'70 MGB-GT
TN in winter
MA in summer





From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>

The obligation for safety chains is across the hitch connection at
the towing vehicle.  That means across the hitch ball coupling (if it
is a ball).  I suppose it is rashly assumed that the hitch mechanism
is securely attached to the towed vehicle, as would be the case when
towing a trailer.  I'm not sure if regulators would be sharp enough
to define the required coupling between a tow bar and a towed vehicle.


At 02:27 PM 1/20/2011 -0600, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>....
>For future reference; the safety chains are supposed to connect the
>to the towing vehicle, in case the towbar somehow disconnects from the
hitch.
>
>CR
>....

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 20:49:00 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT
In-Reply-To: <206332645.81021.1295540792721.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <206332645.81021.1295540792721.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX3ydJdYjaUTnJMivw0u26C3evVPjmrYNCHqzF@mail.gmail.com>

Quoted for Truth.
I'm working with a young guy that has a customized Scion TC.  Scissor doors,
custom paint, custom interior, air bag suspension, the works.  Not my cup of
tea.  But you know what?  It is a real kick to be around a young guy that is
serious about cars.
That is the beauty of this hobby of cars, there are all different avenues to
explore.  Just because a guy is on a different avenue doesn't mean you can't
appreciate his talent and skill.
And you know what?  Look close at what he did and how he did it, you might
get an idea for your own car.
$.02
Rick

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Ron Shellenberger <rshellen at comcast.net>wrote:

> You don't have to like it, but its not fair to bash it.B  The workmanship
> looks very good, and customs are always somebodies vision. you may not like
> the concept, but the level ofB work and detail are what should be judged.
> If
> you don't like something -move on -don't bash the person for what they
> like.
> Good workmanship should be admired by any car guy, what ever it is on.
>
>
>
> Ron Shellenberger
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 10:30:28 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:30:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT
In-Reply-To: <206332645.81021.1295540792721.JavaMail.root@sz0143a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <291364.601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ron Shellenberger <rshellen at comcast.net> wrote:

> You don't have to like it, but its
> not fair to bash it...

The Subject: indicates that this is the first post to a
new thread, but the text looks like a response to an
existing thread, and there's no attributed text to
let us know what it's in response to.  I was looking for
an example of an "Interesting BGT" and it's nowhere to
be found.  What are you commenting on?

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 10:42:59 2011
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:42:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT...  + Rover V8
In-Reply-To: <007e01cbb8d8$0f7120b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <476075.20179.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Norm 2Bs <twobees at sprynet.com> wrote:

> One reason we
didn't get the ex-BOP, then Rover V8-engined
> BGTs was the EPA
> regs.  And,
Nixon wasn't a "car guy."  Must have
> hated them since he was the one who
proposed the EPA.

Nixon was a big government Republican.  There's more
Obama
than Reagan in Nixon's philosophy of government.

Without getting too deeply
into economics, the reason
you need agencies like the EPA, even in a free
economy,
is a condition known as the "tragedy of the commons."
That is, people
have no incentive to husband a resource
that they do not own.  If there's a
lake on my property,
and you dump sewage into it, I'm going to haul you into
court so fast it will make your head spin.  However, if
my property is just
one of thousands surrounding a lake,
and the other property owners are dumping
their sewage
into the lake, I gain little advantage from installing
an
expensive septic system, since my effect on solving
the problem is miniscule.
Pollution laws, in effect
assign property rights to the unowned resource to
the
regulatory agency so that all people will behave (if
the regulations are
*just*, and that's a huge caveat in
today's regulatory climate) as if they
were the sole
owner.  There's nothing anti-capitalist in that.

> I
> remember
the first time I flew into LA in early '70s you
> couldn't see the
> ground at
mid-day until you were over the 110, maybe not
> even until the 405.

Assuming
that "the 110" and "the 405" are freeways,
you sound like a child of LA.  Was
your flight a
return one?

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 11:20:33 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:20:33 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX3ydJdYjaUTnJMivw0u26C3evVPjmrYNCHqzF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95F0E71.2EAF6%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

But probably not scissor doors  <g>



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 1/20/11 7:49 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> Quoted for Truth.
> I'm working with a young guy that has a customized Scion TC.  Scissor doors,
> custom paint, custom interior, air bag suspension, the works.  Not my cup of
> tea.  But you know what?  It is a real kick to be around a young guy that is
> serious about cars.
> That is the beauty of this hobby of cars, there are all different avenues to
> explore.  Just because a guy is on a different avenue doesn't mean you can't
> appreciate his talent and skill.
> And you know what?  Look close at what he did and how he did it, you might
> get an idea for your own car.
> $.02
> Rick
> 
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Ron Shellenberger
> <rshellen at comcast.net>wrote:
> 
>> You don't have to like it, but its not fair to bash it.B  The workmanship
>> looks very good, and customs are always somebodies vision. you may not like
>> the concept, but the level ofB work and detail are what should be judged.
>> If
>> you don't like something -move on -don't bash the person for what they
>> like.
>> Good workmanship should be admired by any car guy, what ever it is on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Shellenberger

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 21 11:22:32 2011
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:22:32 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT
In-Reply-To: <291364.601.qm@web112120.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C95F0EE8.2EAF7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

??? 
There were a dozen posts on this subject over the last few days. Just look
at the archive.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/21/11 9:30 AM, David Breneman at david_breneman at yahoo.com wrote:

> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ron Shellenberger <rshellen at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> You don't have to like it, but its
>> not fair to bash it...
> 
> The Subject: indicates that this is the first post to a
> new thread, but the text looks like a response to an
> existing thread, and there's no attributed text to
> let us know what it's in response to.  I was looking for
> an example of an "Interesting BGT" and it's nowhere to
> be found.  What are you commenting on?
> _______________________________________________

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 20:59:51 2011
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:59:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting BGT with URL Link
Message-ID: <15d4d.b581ad1.3a6bb037@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2011 9:36:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
_david_breneman at yahoo.com_ (mailto:david_breneman at yahoo.com)   writes:
On Thu, 1/20/11, Ron Shellenberger < _rshellen at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:rshellen at comcast.net)  > wrote: You  don't have to like it, but its not 
fair to bash it...

The Subject:  indicates that this is the first post to a new thread, but 
the text looks like a  response to an
existing thread, and there's no attributed text to let us know  what it's 
in response to.  I was looking for
an example of an  "Interesting BGT" and it's nowhere tobe found.  What are 
you commenting  on?

Try this David ( The jpg.of a customized MGB-GT ) :   

_http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s
1600/customMGB-1.jpg_ 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B4s9XZaes30/TSyXeUtvCmI/AAAAAAAAAFo/xBDl1DLxdPs/s1600/customMGB-1.jpg)    

Then please send in your overall opinion. Not a yes or no, up or down  
situation please try to put some substance into your response  blog..OK? 
Thanks...!! 
---==Safety-Fast!==--
Alberto  Escalante

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 12:10:28 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:10:28 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.com>

My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any oil
pressure.(I told him I would build it, but did he listen?)
I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even turned
the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil pan
so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
plugs out till the batteries are dead.
So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets or
it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
correct, or am I getting old?
Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
Thanks
Rick

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Jan 23 12:58:17 2011
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:58:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58561.10302.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm
If plug "3" is missing you will have no oil pressure.
If port "E" id plugged you will have excessively high oil pressure.

These are two most common errors by an engine shop.  While the shop 
should know better, an amature assembler is not likely to catch the 
error.  Sump must be reoved to check.

Fitting the wrong gasket for the oil pump can possibly obstruct the 
inlet port.  Not sure if this affects the 3-main or 5-main engine 
(possibly both).


At 11:10 AM 1/23/2011 -0800, Richard Ewald wrote:
>My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any oil
>pressure. ....
>I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
>into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even turned
>the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
>the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
>into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil pan
>so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
>Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
>buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
>plugs out till the batteries are dead.
>So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
>I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets or
>it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
>correct, or am I getting old?
>Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
>....

From don at napanet.net  Sun Jan 23 13:00:07 2011
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:00:07 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110123200030.B6A11AE65E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

I had this happen to me on my '67 B GT many years ago.  After 
rebuilding the engine, I could not get oil pressure.  I even borrowed 
a oil pressure priming tool from Craft Machine Shop in Santa Rosa, 
the place that had done all the machine work on my engine.  After a 
lot of cranking and swearing, I pulled the engine, and starting 
taking things apart.  What I had done was used the wrong oil pump 
gasket; the gasket kit contains two different ones.  Either one will 
fit, but only one has holes in the right places to allow oil to flow.

Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars





At 11:10 AM 1/23/2011, Richard Ewald wrote:
>My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any oil
>pressure.(I told him I would build it, but did he listen?)
>I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
>into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even turned
>the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
>the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
>into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil pan
>so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
>Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
>buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
>plugs out till the batteries are dead.
>So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
>I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets or
>it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
>correct, or am I getting old?
>Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
>Thanks
>Rick

From mgbob at juno.com  Sun Jan 23 13:13:09 2011
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:13:09 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
Message-ID: <20110123.151309.11943.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Rick,   Kits usually come with two gaskets.   If the pump was loaded w
vaseline and the right gasket installed, pressure should come up within a few
seconds.   Has anyone ever tried a vacuum pump on oil pressure gauge line?
Sump bolts have 7/16" heads.Bob

  ---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>, MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:10:28 -0800

My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any oil
pressure.(I told him I would build it, but did he listen?)
I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even turned
the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil pan
so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
plugs out till the batteries are dead.
So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets or
it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
correct, or am I getting old?
Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
Thanks
Rick
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From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sun Jan 23 13:19:52 2011
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
In-Reply-To: <58561.10302.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.com>
	<58561.10302.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98D11FE2AF4D45A6A3B735021547CB03@stargate>

Actually, when I used a 3 main gasket on a 5 main motor, it left a small gap 
so that air could enter the pump, and pumps don't pump air.

Gordie
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Barney Gaylord" <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:58 PM
To: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>; "Ed's Shop" 
<shop at justbrits.com>; "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine

> See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101a.htm
> If plug "3" is missing you will have no oil pressure.
> If port "E" id plugged you will have excessively high oil pressure.
>
> These are two most common errors by an engine shop.  While the shop should 
> know better, an amature assembler is not likely to catch the error.  Sump 
> must be reoved to check.
>
> Fitting the wrong gasket for the oil pump can possibly obstruct the inlet 
> port.  Not sure if this affects the 3-main or 5-main engine (possibly 
> both).
>
>
> At 11:10 AM 1/23/2011 -0800, Richard Ewald wrote:
>>My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any 
>>oil
>>pressure. ....
>>I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
>>into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even 
>>turned
>>the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
>>the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
>>into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil 
>>pan
>>so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
>>Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
>>buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
>>plugs out till the batteries are dead.
>>So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
>>I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets 
>>or
>>it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
>>correct, or am I getting old?
>>Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
>>....
> _______________________________________________
>
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 15:12:22 2011
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:12:22 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] No oil pressure new B engine
In-Reply-To: <20110123200030.B6A11AE65E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <AANLkTi=8kSJESAbQoSoy6YSyeObs8FdNOua0Stp3uFUM@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110123200030.B6A11AE65E@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikWK-Q3dmEk_pq+N_hjouRQ2QbkKqYnxPK-h_Oc@mail.gmail.com>

Don nailed it.
they put a 3 main gasket on a 5 main engine.  Idiots.
On the 5 main engine, the path from the pickup goes up to the gasket
face and over the top into the pump.  (I'm guessing this is so the pump
won't lose its prime sitting for a long time).
the 5 main gasket covers this opening at the top of the pump, the 3 main
gasket does not.  Using a 3 main gasket on this style pump results in a
giant air leak on the inlet side of the pump.  that is why I could feel air
pressure, but never got any oil.  There was enough oil in the pump that it
acted as a weak air pump, but would not pull oil into the pump due to the
air leak.
Hint to anyone building a B motor, match the gasket to the pump, NOT the
engine.
It's nice to know that my memory is not totally FUBAR and there are two
gaskets.
Thanks for the help everyone.
Rick
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> I had this happen to me on my '67 B GT many years ago.  After rebuilding
> the engine, I could not get oil pressure.  I even borrowed a oil pressure
> priming tool from Craft Machine Shop in Santa Rosa, the place that had done
> all the machine work on my engine.  After a lot of cranking and swearing, I
> pulled the engine, and starting taking things apart.  What I had done was
> used the wrong oil pump gasket; the gasket kit contains two different ones.
>  Either one will fit, but only one has holes in the right places to allow
> oil to flow.
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1966 TR4A
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
>
>
>
>
>
>  At 11:10 AM 1/23/2011, Richard Ewald wrote:
>
>> My buddy had a new engine built for his B.  Engine does not produce any
>> oil
>> pressure.(I told him I would build it, but did he listen?)
>> I have pulled the line to the oil pressure gauge and pumped oil backwards
>> into the engine per the suggestion on Barney's website.  We have even
>> turned
>> the engine backward, and still no oil pressure.  I tried pumping oil into
>> the oil pressure gage line and then using shop air to force the oil down
>> into the pump.  When I did this I could hear the air bubbling in the oil
>> pan
>> so I am fairly sure the pump is NOT dry at this point.
>> Taking the hose off the inlet to the oil cooleer I can feel some pressure
>> buld up, but I am getting no oil out.  We have carnked the engine with the
>> plugs out till the batteries are dead.
>> So I have two questions before I pull the pan.
>> I seem to recall that either the gasket kit either came with two gaskets
>> or
>> it is possible to get the gasket on backwards/upside down.  Is my memory
>> correct, or am I getting old?
>> Any other suggestions you have before I pull the pan?
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>>
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From bighealey at charter.net  Sun Jan 30 06:28:10 2011
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 05:28:10 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Wanted - 1622 block
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I need a 1622 block.  I only need the block and journals.  I am in Morgan
Hill California

 

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:20:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] New Bike From Germany. . Totally Enclosed
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