From ejrussell at mebtel.net Fri Feb 4 18:34:50 2011 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:34:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] how sad Message-ID: <8FB368FAC820431CA8C96A554B304C4A@EricJRussellPC> (not mine...) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MG-MGA-1959-MGA-1600-Roadster-Project-Car-/160 536791306?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2560bd090a "As you can see, a tree fell lengthwise on my 1959 MGA in a storm about 18 months ago. This car was a driver until the storm. It has been sitting in my backyard under a tarp since then. I have owned it for about 7 years and use to drive it work regularly. The same tree fall also damaged my house and I do not have the facilities to repair the car." Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell From barneymg at mgaguru.com Fri Feb 4 19:27:50 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] how sad In-Reply-To: <8FB368FAC820431CA8C96A554B304C4A@EricJRussellPC> References: <8FB368FAC820431CA8C96A554B304C4A@EricJRussellPC> Message-ID: <268241.58559.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I can't believe the bid price. The body is obviously a write off. There were four different people bidding $1500 or more, and it's not over yet. Is a parts car chassis worth that much these days? At 08:34 PM 2/4/2011 -0500, Eric J Russell wrote: >(not mine...) >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MG-MGA-1959-MGA-1600-Roadster-Project-Car-/160536791306?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2560bd090a > >".... a tree fell lengthwise on my 1959 MGA .... use to drive it >work regularly....." >.... From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Feb 7 01:51:13 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:51:13 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> Message-ID: <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> In these cash-strapped times the UK Government has decided to keep all speed camera revenues instead of letting the local authorities keep them to use for 'safety improvements' (yer, right). The upshot? More and more local authorities are turning the cameras off as they say they can't afford to run them. So much for that over-used and pompous 'even if it saves only one life...'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Feb 7 05:53:35 2011 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:53:35 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> Message-ID: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has been done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in Florida). -- Stephen West-Fisher ----- Original Message ----- I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp From redscirocco at hotmail.com Mon Feb 7 06:32:16 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT>, <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul>, <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: Yep, me too. Check out my town, Wilmington, Vermont. There are several listings for a "speed trap" at or near the intersection of Routes 9 & 100. What they fail to mention is that it's quite literally in the middle of our busy little village, where there is road side parking, several cross walks, and dozens of pedestrians at any given time. The speed limit is 25 mph, not outrageously low, and it certainly shouldn't be a shock to anyone with half a brain that you have to slow down driving through the middle of town. Nonetheless, everyone seems to think it's a "trap" designed to fill the town coffers. Actually, what we get from fines wouldn't pay the salary of one of our police officers. And they give more warnings than tickets. Yeah, when you're going 45 through our town, you get a ticket. Don't whine about it, and don't call it a "trap." -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT > From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:53:35 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! > > I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law > officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has been > done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. > Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such > as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in Florida). > > -- > Stephen West-Fisher > ----- Original Message ----- > I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in > these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are > > turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue > generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? > > www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco at hotmail.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 06:39:01 2011 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 05:39:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: <922298.38772.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Stephen West-Fisher wrote: > I've always found it funny that folks > call it a speed "trap" when the law > officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means > something has been > done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has > changed. I don't know about other places, but here in the US, towns frequently set speed limits well under the road's engineered speed, causing people to unwittingly break the law. There are countless towns along two-lane highways in this state. In the county, the speed limit is 50 MPH. Cross into Podunkville, and the town's one cop in the town's one police car will be sitting under the town's one 25 MPH speed limit sign. A mile later, you're back in the county and it's 50 MPH again. From rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 7 07:08:09 2011 From: rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com (=?utf-8?B?cnJpdmVuYmFya0BjZmwucnIuY29t?=) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:08:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] =?utf-8?q?=5BMG-MGB=5D_Fw=3A_Fwd=3A_FW=3A_Speed_Traps_in_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?ur_Town_!!?= Message-ID: I cant wait until they start writing tickets to the slow pokes that jam up the left lane on the highways. Sent from my HTC EVO 4G ----- Reply message ----- From: "Stephen West-Fisher" Date: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 7:53 am Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! To: I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has been done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in Florida). -- Stephen West-Fisher ----- Original Message ----- I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Feb 7 07:15:58 2011 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:15:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <922298.38772.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> <922298.38772.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f401cbc6d1$8ae79b50$a0b6d1f0$@com> The speed limit drops in just about every town I've ever driven in, so I expect it. In North Carolina you can expect it to drop down to 20mph. In Florida most times there are warning signs about the lower limit at an appropriate distance to just lift your boot off the accelerator and your speed will be appropriate when you arrive at the lower limit. Saint Petersburg has a 35mph city wide limit unless posted otherwise. Many streets are posted 25. Additionally the speed limit generally lowers on interstate roads when they go through a city even though the road is still engineered for the higher limit (especially if built before '74). Now if there is really only one sign and no warning, and the sign is obscured by something so it is not visible at a distance to reasonably slow down, that I can call a trap. I do a lot of traveling, and I haven't seen anything like this in many, many years. -- Stephen West-Fisher I don't know about other places, but here in the US, towns frequently set speed limits well under the road's engineered speed, causing people to unwittingly break the law. There are countless towns along two-lane highways in this state. In the county, the speed limit is 50 MPH. Cross into Podunkville, and the town's one cop in the town's one police car will be sitting under the town's one 25 MPH speed limit sign. A mile later, you're back in the county and it's 50 MPH again. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 07:39:01 2011 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:39:01 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: You have never heard of New Rome, Ohio I take it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio A 60 resident town that had 14 policemen and raised $400,000 annually in traffic fines. That my friend is a speed trap. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Stephen West-Fisher < steve at coastaldatasystems.com> wrote: > I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law > officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has > been > done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. > Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such > as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in > Florida). > > -- > Stephen West-Fisher > ----- Original Message ----- > I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in > these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some > are > > turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue > generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? > > www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald at gmail.com From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Feb 7 07:42:01 2011 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:42:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fe01cbc6d5$2e6b0390$8b410ab0$@com> Some Florida state congressmen tried to do just that a few years ago J I think they shot it down since it would require drivers in the left lane to speed up even if they were going the speed limit, in essence forcing them into either getting a ticket for holding up traffic or getting a ticket for speeding. I could get behind enforcing keep right except to pass. -- Stephen West-Fisher From: rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com [mailto:rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:08 AM To: Stephen West-Fisher; mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! I cant wait until they start writing tickets to the slow pokes that jam up the left lane on the highways. From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Feb 7 07:49:08 2011 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: <010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> Actually I have. Haven't been there since the '70s though. The article only mentioned that limit dropped from 45 to 35, it didn't mention whether there was any warning, obstructed signs, etc. associated with the drop. There is not enough documentation of the circumstances to call it a "trap" although it may have been. -- Stephen West-Fisher From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:39 AM To: Stephen West-Fisher Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! You have never heard of New Rome, Ohio I take it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio A 60 resident town that had 14 policemen and raised $400,000 annually in traffic fines. That my friend is a speed trap. From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu Mon Feb 7 07:58:57 2011 From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT>, <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul>, <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: <4D5008B1.6050500@camden.rutgers.edu> On the other hand, when I drive to work in Camden, NJ, the road leading into Camden is a posted 45 MPH but daily avg is ~60. No one is ever pulled over for speeding. (It is a state road.) Leaving that road (Admiral Wilson Blvd), there is a bypass into Camden of ~1/2 mile, of which the approximately first 200' exit is the slow-down region at the end of which is a 25MPH sign even though one is till far from the city. I got pinched at 7:30AM in my B one morning because I had slowed from ~55 towards 40MPH well before the sign. The claim....I was not doing 25MPH. A clear trap...also...last day of the month. I went to court and it was thrown out. The cop never showed up either. So what conclusions should one draw. 1) A red MGB attracts attention. 2) Speed traps are real. 3) Judges are not always crazy. But I would inquire of the list whether 4) is valid: The probability of gettting a tickets is higher at the end of the month than at the beginning or in the middle. My 2 tickets in 40 yrs of driving were both at the end of the month. I'd really like to hear about this issue. Does it represent an unwritten quota? Regards, Bill Saidel Cherry Hill, NJ 1976 MGB BMCSNJ On 2/7/2011 8:32 AM, Mike Eldred wrote: > Yep, me too. Check out my town, Wilmington, Vermont. There are several > listings for a "speed trap" at or near the intersection of Routes 9& 100. > What they fail to mention is that it's quite literally in the middle of our > busy little village, where there is road side parking, several cross walks, > and dozens of pedestrians at any given time. The speed limit is 25 mph, not > outrageously low, and it certainly shouldn't be a shock to anyone with half a > brain that you have to slow down driving through the middle of town. > Nonetheless, everyone seems to think it's a "trap" designed to fill the town > coffers. Actually, what we get from fines wouldn't pay the salary of one of > our police officers. And they give more warnings than tickets. > Yeah, when you're going 45 through our town, you get a ticket. Don't whine > about it, and don't call it a "trap." > > -Mike Eldred > Wilmington, VT > >> From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com >> To: mgs at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:53:35 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! >> >> I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law >> officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has > been >> done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. >> Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such >> as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in > Florida). >> -- >> Stephen West-Fisher >> ----- Original Message ----- >> I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in >> these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some > are >> turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue >> generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? >> >> www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/saidel at camden.rutgers.edu -- William Saidel Department of Biology& Center for Computational& Integrative Biology Rutgers University Science Building, Room B-4 315 Penn Street Camden, NJ 08102-1411 856 225-6336 From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 08:10:27 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 07:10:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <922298.38772.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <922298.38772.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <316871.8723.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here in NJ, most speed limits are set by the state, not towns. Townships have to go through a fairly strenuous process to get them revised (a good friend is our Deputy mayor), so they generally don't bother. We have a major cross-town road in my Township that has houses it's entire length. The speed limit is 25 because of that, but with 'local knowledge'you can do 34 with no issue. Any more gets you pulled over. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: David Breneman To: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 8:39:01 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Stephen West-Fisher wrote: > I've always found it funny that folks > call it a speed "trap" when the law > officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means > something has been > done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has > changed. I don't know about other places, but here in the US, towns frequently set speed limits well under the road's engineered speed, causing people to unwittingly break the law. There are countless towns along two-lane highways in this state. In the county, the speed limit is 50 MPH. Cross into Podunkville, and the town's one cop in the town's one police car will be sitting under the town's one 25 MPH speed limit sign. A mile later, you're back in the county and it's 50 MPH again. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From ptrmgb at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 08:21:47 2011 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:21:47 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> <010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> Message-ID: <02505CAF-A17A-4472-8A20-629BDDB190DC@gmail.com> The article said that the Ohio DoT decided it was inconsistent with State Guidelines, and was at least a small part of the disbanding of the town. On Feb 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Stephen West-Fisher wrote: > Actually I have. Haven't been there since the '70s though. > > The article only mentioned that limit dropped from 45 to 35, it didn't > mention whether there was any warning, obstructed signs, etc. associated > with the drop. There is not enough documentation of the circumstances to > call it a "trap" although it may have been. > > > > -- > > Stephen West-Fisher > > > > From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:39 AM > To: Stephen West-Fisher > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! > > > > You have never heard of New Rome, Ohio I take it. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio > A 60 resident town that had 14 policemen and raised $400,000 annually in > traffic fines. > That my friend is a speed trap. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From arundell at ghs.com.au Mon Feb 7 11:27:38 2011 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 04:27:38 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> Message-ID: <4C7F5E0A-A2EF-479D-A35B-EF924B338653@ghs.com.au> Now here is a guy who's not had a ticket in ages....... On 07/02/2011, at 10:53 PM, Stephen West-Fisher wrote: > I've always found it funny that folks call it a speed "trap" when the law > officers are just enforcing the law. To me a "trap" means something has been > done to trick or bait you into not realizing the limit has changed. > Personally I wish they would do it more often, especially safety items such > as turn signals and lights on when the wipers are running (here in Florida). > > -- > Stephen West-Fisher > ----- Original Message ----- > I think this has been around before b but someone may have missed it - in > these times of states finding themselves in deep financial doo-doo, some are > > turning to super sensitive enforcement of speed-limits as revenue > generators b nothing new but perhaps more common? > > www.speedtrap.org/speedtraps/stetlist.asp > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell at ghs.com.au > Murray G. Arundell Managing Director GHS Pty Ltd Glaziers Hardware Supplies Brisbane, Australia Phone: +617 3277 1255 Fax: +617 3875 1256 Email: arundell at ghs.com.au From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Feb 7 13:42:41 2011 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <4C7F5E0A-A2EF-479D-A35B-EF924B338653@ghs.com.au> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> <4C7F5E0A-A2EF-479D-A35B-EF924B338653@ghs.com.au> Message-ID: <008a01cbc707$90fbca30$b2f35e90$@com> Not exactly true, but my last speeding ticket was in WV in '85. On the Turnpike, in the MG. I can't get excited about speeding on straight roads. But Orlando has left turn stoplight "traps". That's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Stephen West-Fisher From: Murray Arundell [mailto:arundell at ghs.com.au] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:28 PM To: Stephen West-Fisher Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! Now here is a guy who's not had a ticket in ages....... From frankk12 at verizon.net Mon Feb 7 13:52:19 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:52:19 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] List active? Message-ID: <38C317B564F14620953EDADB3BD9504B@frankdcczr6l6k> Is the list still up and running? Haven't received a posting in quite some time now. Or is it the winter doldrums and the prospect of not being able to drive the LBCs for quite a while, at least here in Rhode Island. From RKunst at C-K.com Mon Feb 7 14:43:38 2011 From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:43:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] List active? In-Reply-To: <38C317B564F14620953EDADB3BD9504B@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: Its working for me Frank! On 2/7/11 2:52 PM, "frankk12 at verizon.net" wrote: Is the list still up and running? Haven't received a posting in quite some time now. Or is it the winter doldrums and the prospect of not being able to drive the LBCs for quite a while, at least here in Rhode Island. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 7 15:37:57 2011 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:37:57 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] List active? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, until this morning, I had only seen 2 posts in February (both on the 4th). And today's flurry seemed to be replies to a post that I hadn't seen (they all began with "re"). So I also suspect an interruption. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 2/7/11 1:43 PM, Ray Kunst at RKunst at C-K.com wrote: > Its working for me Frank! > > On 2/7/11 2:52 PM, "frankk12 at verizon.net" wrote: > > Is the list still up and running? Haven't received a posting in quite some > time now. Or is it the winter doldrums and the prospect of not being able to > drive the LBCs for quite a while, at least here in Rhode Island. From eric at erickson.on.net Mon Feb 7 15:40:16 2011 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:40:16 +1100 Subject: [Mgs] List active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DC33066-DB75-417A-ACF6-6C1F096F5816@erickson.on.net> Where I am it could be the floods, fires or the 110F heat waves keeping people away from there little cars! Sent from my iPad On 08/02/2011, at 8:43, Ray Kunst wrote: > Its working for me Frank! > > On 2/7/11 2:52 PM, "frankk12 at verizon.net" wrote: > > Is the list still up and running? Haven't received a posting in quite some > time now. Or is it the winter doldrums From cyberemp at comcast.net Mon Feb 7 15:51:25 2011 From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] 71 W.W. MGB for sale In-Reply-To: <1624621908.595347.1297118985347.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1276997663.595452.1297119085424.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> List Sorry to intrude on the speed trap thread, but Home loan modification is failing me, and I am having to move very suddenly and have a 1971 W.W. MGB to sell. You may wish to use the car as a parts car. The car needs both floors replaced. Dog legs also, I suspect. 4 speed. No Overdrive. I also have a set of seat covers and interior panels that I'll throw in. -The trunk that is, they'll fall through the holes in the floors. bad news is that they're autum leaf Hood is aluminum, but is dented and has body filler slab poorly filled in I'll take pics and see if I can get it to run if you're interested. Not that you can drive it, but you might want to know. I'd like to see $500 to cover the interior kit, but $ talks, and I've got a week to get it outta here. Located in vallejo, California 94591 near San Francisco. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 16:08:02 2011 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:08:02 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT> <5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul> <00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com> <010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> Message-ID: Here for your reading pleasure some tales from New Rome http://www.newromesucks.com/topten.html On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Stephen West-Fisher < steve at coastaldatasystems.com> wrote: > Actually I have. Haven't been there since the '70s though. > > The article only mentioned that limit dropped from 45 to 35, it didn't > mention whether there was any warning, obstructed signs, etc. associated > with the drop. There is not enough documentation of the circumstances to > call it a "trap" although it may have been. > > > > -- > > Stephen West-Fisher > > > > From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:39 AM > To: Stephen West-Fisher > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! > > > > You have never heard of New Rome, Ohio I take it. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio > A 60 resident town that had 14 policemen and raised $400,000 annually in > traffic fines. > That my friend is a speed trap. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald at gmail.com From glenn_21 at q.com Mon Feb 7 19:25:53 2011 From: glenn_21 at q.com (Glenn Mapes) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 19:25:53 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: References: <992091BCC5704A6F8A68C02F9C8BBC70@LaptopLarryT><5ED82DB2AA15413089B116B2F1AB5A77@paul><00d101cbc6c6$08a5d0e0$19f172a0$@com><010601cbc6d6$2cfed3f0$86fc7bd0$@com> Message-ID: Sorry to all of the police officers on this list but there is a reason they are called p***. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ewald" To: "Stephen West-Fisher" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! > Here for your reading pleasure some tales from New Rome > http://www.newromesucks.com/topten.html > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Stephen West-Fisher < > steve at coastaldatasystems.com> wrote: > >> Actually I have. Haven't been there since the '70s though. >> >> The article only mentioned that limit dropped from 45 to 35, it didn't >> mention whether there was any warning, obstructed signs, etc. associated >> with the drop. There is not enough documentation of the circumstances to >> call it a "trap" although it may have been. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Stephen West-Fisher >> >> >> >> From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:39 AM >> To: Stephen West-Fisher >> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! >> >> >> >> You have never heard of New Rome, Ohio I take it. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio >> A 60 resident town that had 14 policemen and raised $400,000 annually in >> traffic fines. >> That my friend is a speed trap. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/glenn_21 at q.com From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 19:34:25 2011 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 18:34:25 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] List active? In-Reply-To: <38C317B564F14620953EDADB3BD9504B@frankdcczr6l6k> References: <38C317B564F14620953EDADB3BD9504B@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: The list periodically goes quiet until someone asks if the propshaft should be disconnected while towing or other questions. Simon (quickly ducks) On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, wrote: > Is the list still up and running? Haven't received a posting in quite some > time now. Or is it the winter doldrums and the prospect of not being able to > drive the LBCs for quite a while, at least here in Rhode Island. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews at gmail.com From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon Feb 7 19:57:50 2011 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 18:57:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <456278.1877.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/7/11, rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com wrote: > I cant wait until they start writing > tickets to the slow pokes that jam up the left lane on the > highways. Last year, the Washington State Patrol announced a crackdown on left land bandits in the Tacoma - Seattle - Everett heavily congested corridor. It got a lot of press play, and absolutely NOTHING happened. I still don't understand why they went to all the trouble of publicizing something they didn't plan to do. The current campaign, will signs all over the place, is "When you see flashing lights, pull over and slow down." (Meaning give safety vehicles on the side of the road a wide berth.) But asking slowpokes to get out of the way of people wishing to pass was just a flash in the pan. From eric at erickson.on.net Tue Feb 8 19:34:58 2011 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:04:58 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Fw: Fwd: FW: Speed Traps in Your Town !! In-Reply-To: <456278.1877.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <456278.1877.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I On 08/02/2011, at 13:27, David Breneman wrote: > --- On Mon, 2/7/11, rrivenbark at cfl.rr.com wrote: > >> I cant wait until they start writing >> tickets to the slow pokes that jam up the left lane on the >> highways. > > Last year, the Washington State Patrol announced a crackdown > on left land bandits We are meant to have "universal" road rules in Australia now but it seems only some States enforce the "keep left unless overtaking" (yes, keep right for Americans) on dual carriageway roads with speed limits over 80kmh (50mph). In some States it is "driver enforced" - you impede people in the "passing lane" and just wait for the honking and flashing. Eric From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 09:49:39 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark Message-ID: Dear listers, I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill their Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor to escape. But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped from under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to indicate that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a more "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with some good Lucas spark. Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? Thanks in advance, Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF 1973 Midget From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:49:04 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:49:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Lawrie, Thanks for your reply, however, it leaves me at somewhat of a loss... do I understand that it's your claim that the wiring harness wasn't originally supplied by Lucas with bare, scorched, and melted wiring? Next thing you'll be telling me is that the factory didn't use the "rat's nest" pattern of dash wiring! -Mike > From: lawrie at britcars.com > To: redscirocco at hotmail.com; mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:35:58 -0800 > > Mike, > > Fortunately for you, purchasing spark is not necessary. As demonstrated by > that well-known French electrical genius, M. Agneto, spark will re-generate > by itself when given the necessary impetus. In your case, this impetus would > be to get yourself under the dashboard (and wherever else on the car > decaying wiring is present) to look for bare wires, scorched or melted > insulation, loose wiring and anything else that doesn't present a neat and > tidy appearance. Then address those problems forthwith. > > One of the downsides of M. Agneto's principle is that, in the presence of > any of the things mentioned above, spark will regenerate itself. This > sometimes leads to a phenomenon first recorded by a bored Boy Scout > whittling a woggle - Fire! And, as the owner of the TC I've just had to > spend a lot of time and money repairing will confirm, Fire and T-series MGs > should never go together ..... > > Lawrie Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Eldred" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:49 AM > Subject: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark > > > > Dear listers, > > > > I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill > > their > > Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor > > to > > escape. > > But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much > > spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming > > quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped > > from > > under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to > > indicate > > that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a > > more > > "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with > > some > > good Lucas spark. > > > > Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Eldred > > 1954 MG TF > > 1973 Midget > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie at britcars.com From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 9 10:55:08 2011 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:55:08 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh boy, even at the best of times, Lucas spark is harder to come by than Lucas smoke. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 2/9/11 8:49 AM, Mike Eldred at redscirocco at hotmail.com wrote: > Dear listers, > > I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill their > Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor to > escape. > But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much > spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming > quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped from > under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to indicate > that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a more > "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with some > good Lucas spark. > > Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Eldred > 1954 MG TF > 1973 Midget From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 11:15:52 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 10:15:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <355655.58413.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My understanding is that they moved the factory to a town in Nevada, just outside of Reno. Can't think of the name..... What is it? What is it? Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: Mike Eldred To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 11:49:39 AM Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark Dear listers, I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill their Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor to escape. But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped from under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to indicate that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a more "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with some good Lucas spark. Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? Thanks in advance, Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF 1973 Midget _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Feb 9 11:59:26 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark References: <355655.58413.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12F717AB308A4AA7A3532C557C90AF6A@frankdcczr6l6k> SPARKS! Good one! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan DiBiase" To: "Mike Eldred" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark > My understanding is that they moved the factory to a town in Nevada, just > outside of Reno. Can't think of the name..... > What is it? What is it? > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > twitter: dandibiase > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mike Eldred > To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 11:49:39 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark > > Dear listers, > > I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill > their > Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor > to > escape. > But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much > spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming > quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped > from > under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to > indicate > that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a > more > "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with > some > good Lucas spark. > > Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Eldred > 1954 MG TF > 1973 Midget > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12 at verizon.net From jevans at mydb3.com Wed Feb 9 12:03:52 2011 From: jevans at mydb3.com (jevans at mydb3.com) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:03:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mgs] 15th Annual British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble Message-ID: <1457.108.64.36.238.1297278232.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> The 15th annual British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble will be held on February 27, 2011 from 8 AM to 3 PM at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton, IL. Vendor preregistration forms were mailed several weeks ago to several hundred vendors and British car club addresses: if you are a vendor to this market and you did not get a preregistration form, please contact me off list for information; if you are a British car club officer and would like information about club participation, please contact me off list. Notification to almost 3,000 individuals on our mailing list took place two weeks ago. If you did not get one of our famous "purple postcards" and would like to get on the mailing list, please contact me off list. If you live in the Indianapolis, St Louis, Peoria, Rockford, Rock Island, Chicago or Milwaukee areas your Sunday newspaper on January 30 carried a notice in the "classic car" (or equivalent) classified ad section with info on the British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble. This event now attracts both vendors and shoppers from throughout the midwest, with over 100 indoor vendor spaces and up to 1,000 shoppers in recent years. The location is in a suburban environment roughly 25 miles west of Chicago. Info can be had at http://www.britishcarswap.info or by contacting me directly off list. This year, the meet will again include other European car and motorcycle marques. Several new clubs have taken booths and promoted the event to their members, so the variety of items available will be even greater than usual. The British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble is sponsored by the Chicagoland MG Club and enjoys the support and participation of all the Chicago area British car clubs. FOR THE CHICAGOLAND MG CLUB Jim Evans 630-858-8192 _______________________________________________ From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Wed Feb 9 12:45:09 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:45:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] 15th Annual British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble In-Reply-To: <1457.108.64.36.238.1297278232.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> References: <1457.108.64.36.238.1297278232.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> Message-ID: <600400.42411.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I always look forward to this notice - even though I am nowhere near Chicagoland, I always view this as a harbinger of springtime! This, and the Red Sox reporting for spring training.... Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From barrie at look.ca Wed Feb 9 13:34:05 2011 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, BIC bought all the major supplies of sparks to be used in their new model of cigarette lighters. At 11:49 AM 2/9/2011, Mike Eldred wrote: >Dear listers, > >I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill their >Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor to >escape. >But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much >spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming >quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped from >under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to indicate >that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a more >"spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with some >good Lucas spark. > >Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? > >Thanks in advance, >Mike Eldred >1954 MG TF >1973 Midget >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca 705--721-9060 From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 14:17:45 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Interesting... I always thought the "rat's nest" pattern was invented by British labour union officials. You may be able to answer this, then: Do sparks in a Lucas wiring loom travel at the speed of darkness? From: lawrie at britcars.com To: redscirocco at hotmail.com; mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:59:53 -0800 Mike, A common misconception is that the "rat's nest" condition so often found was an early manifestation of "built-in obsolescence", designed to keep mechanics (and firefighters) in business. However, nowadays, we in the trade realize that it's a natural evolution of war-surplus electrical equipment intended to eliminate cars that have outlived their useful life-span. Since we, as T-series enthusiasts, do not subscribe to the idea that old MGs are patently unsuited to modern-day driving, it behooves us to take all possible steps to eliminate these conditions with the utmost celerity! Lawrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Eldred To: lawrie at britcars.com ; mgs at autox.team.net ; mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark Lawrie, Thanks for your reply, however, it leaves me at somewhat of a loss... do I understand that it's your claim that the wiring harness wasn't originally supplied by Lucas with bare, scorched, and melted wiring? Next thing you'll be telling me is that the factory didn't use the "rat's nest" pattern of dash wiring! -Mike > From: lawrie at britcars.com > To: redscirocco at hotmail.com; mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:35:58 -0800 > > Mike, > > Fortunately for you, purchasing spark is not necessary. As demonstrated by > that well-known French electrical genius, M. Agneto, spark will re-generate > by itself when given the necessary impetus. In your case, this impetus would > be to get yourself under the dashboard (and wherever else on the car > decaying wiring is present) to look for bare wires, scorched or melted > insulation, loose wiring and anything else that doesn't present a neat and > tidy appearance. Then address those problems forthwith. > > One of the downsides of M. Agneto's principle is that, in the presence of > any of the things mentioned above, spark will regenerate itself. This > sometimes leads to a phenomenon first recorded by a bored Boy Scout > whittling a woggle - Fire! And, as the owner of the TC I've just had to > spend a lot of time and money repairing will confirm, Fire and T-series MGs > should never go together ..... > > Lawrie Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Eldred" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:49 AM > Subject: [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark > > > > Dear listers, > > > > I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill > > their > > Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor > > to > > escape. > > But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much > > spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming > > quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped > > from > > under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to > > indicate > > that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a > > more > > "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with > > some > > good Lucas spark. > > > > Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Eldred > > 1954 MG TF > > 1973 Midget > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie at britcars.com From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk Wed Feb 9 14:21:33 2011 From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: <12F717AB308A4AA7A3532C557C90AF6A@frankdcczr6l6k> References: <355655.58413.qm@web39423.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12F717AB308A4AA7A3532C557C90AF6A@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: <4E0D622E68DC413C93CBE39932702197@RickPC> I've heard that they just got in a huge supply of Sparks in Sparks in anticipation of all the MG owners who will be attending MG2011 in Reno. If you haven't yet signed up visit the website http://www.mg2011.com. Rick Webmaster for: http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MG List" ; "Dan DiBiase" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 13:59 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark > SPARKS! Good one! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan DiBiase" > To: "Mike Eldred" ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark > > >> My understanding is that they moved the factory to a town in Nevada, just >> outside of Reno. Can't think of the name..... >> What is it? What is it? >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> '76 MGB Tourer >> '65 MGB Tourer (Project) >> NAMGBR #5-2328 >> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ >> http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ >> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ >> http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ >> twitter: dandibiase >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Mike Eldred >> To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 11:49:39 AM >> Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark >> >> Dear listers, >> >> I've heard about cans of genuine Lucas smoke, with which one can refill >> their >> Lucas electrical system if they have allowed too much of the vital vapor >> to >> escape. >> But I haven't heard of any supplier of NOS Lucas spark. I've had so much >> spark escape from my wiring, under the dash especially, that I'm becoming >> quite concerned that I may run out. In fact, the last time spark escaped >> from >> under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to >> indicate >> that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a >> more >> "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with >> some >> good Lucas spark. >> >> Does anyone know of a source for genuine Lucas spark? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Mike Eldred >> 1954 MG TF >> 1973 Midget >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgrick at mgcars.org.uk From shop at justbrits.com Wed Feb 9 18:41:11 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 19:41:11 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Source for Lucas Spark In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4D534237.2050701@justbrits.com> << Do sparks in a Lucas wiring loom travel at the speed of darkness? >> FASTER, Mike !! Everyone should 'know' dat !! That's the "why" of Lucas Smoke !!!! Geesh !!!! From shop at justbrits.com Wed Feb 9 22:28:29 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:28:29 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Motorhead 101 - Crazy custom midget] Message-ID: <4D53777D.1010900@justbrits.com> A lot of you get Rick's 'posts' but he has just advised me he is no longer on this List and ask that I forward which I am doing. One needs a *STRONG* stomach for this one !!!! Org. Edited by me to protect the innocent : -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Motorhead 101 - Crazy custom midget Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:55:08 -0800 From: Rick F. *submitted by G**eoff A.* http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290532104490&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 10 01:50:06 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:50:06 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Source for Lucas Spark References: Message-ID: Surely you need *less* spark, except at those four pointy things in that big lump of metal at the front. It's sparks elsewhere that either let the smoke out, or stop it flowing along the pretty coloured tubes. If your headlights are dimming without smoke than its just bad connections somewhere - where harnesses join together or wiring joins components, or inside the components themselves such as the switch you say you have replaced. If you get smoke and dimming together, then something is shorting out, which is more likely to be chafed wiring. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... In fact, the last time spark escaped from > under the dash in my TF, the headlights dimmed. That would seem to > indicate > that I'm running low on sparks. I've replaced my headlight switch with a > more > "spark-tight" unit, but I would like to top off my wiring harness with > some > good Lucas spark. From redscirocco at hotmail.com Thu Feb 10 11:22:27 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay Message-ID: I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT NFI, and all that. -Mike Eldred From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 12:10:56 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:10:56 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 12:22 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: > I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were > generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi > ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT > > NFI, and all that. I drive a Victor. They were not made in Victor, NY; they were made near Detroit by Great lakes car Company. There are very few left. I would expect the price to be quite a bit lower because of the engine and rear end. A genuine Victor is worth serious money. That's partly becuase they are recognized as variants by the MG clubs. Adding an American motor voids that. -Rocky Frisco -- From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 12:12:33 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <755664.1547.qm@web39424.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rocky Frisco has a Victor although his is B-powered, I believe. These are kind of cool since they are from that time period. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: Mike Eldred To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 1:22:27 PM Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT NFI, and all that. -Mike Eldred _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From don at napanet.net Thu Feb 10 12:25:09 2011 From: don at napanet.net (Don) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:25:09 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110210192521.5141AAEAC7@mail.dsl.napanet.net> They should have installed a 215 aluminum V8. That would be the perfect TF hotrod. Back in 1967, I looked at a TF to buy; it had a 215 Buick installed with 2-2s, AH transmission and rear end. I think it was $400. Needed some finishing. The owner claimed it would do wheelstands. My father nixed the deal saying I would end up killing myself in it, and he was probably right. So instead I ended up with an MGA with its original 1600 engine. Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1966 TR4A 1962 MGA Mk 2 1973 MGB GT (selling) 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars At 10:22 AM 2/10/2011, Mike Eldred wrote: >I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were >generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi >ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT > >NFI, and all that. > >-Mike Eldred From paul at ece.rochester.edu Thu Feb 10 13:53:16 2011 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: Victor Replicar in Victor NY was on Old Dutch Rd. The orig cars used mgb components, front ends engines, rear axles etc. I lived in Mendon, the next town over, and did upholstery for the cars. They did not catch on and they moved out after about a year or so. paul >On 2/10/2011 12:22 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: >>I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were >>generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi >>ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT >> >>NFI, and all that. >I drive a Victor. They were not made in Victor, NY; they were made >near Detroit by Great lakes car Company. There are very few left. I >would expect the price to be quite a bit lower because of the engine >and rear end. A genuine Victor is worth serious money. That's partly >becuase they are recognized as variants by the MG clubs. Adding an >American motor voids that. > >-Rocky Frisco >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul at ece.rochester.edu -- Paul Osborne University of Rochester Engineering & Technical Services Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus Rochester, New York 14627 585-275-5226 paul at ece.rochester.edu From arundell at ghs.com.au Thu Feb 10 14:27:39 2011 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:27:39 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm somewhat confused with all this replica thing...... how on earth can a replica TF have any providence at all? Its a copy, a fake made mostly from used components from other MGs. Yes some are better than others and the Victor appears to be better than most but as an MG? No way....... Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia On 11/02/2011, at 6:53 AM, Paul Osborne wrote: > Victor Replicar in Victor NY was on Old Dutch Rd. The orig cars used mgb components, front ends engines, rear axles etc. I lived in Mendon, the next town over, and did upholstery for the cars. They did not catch on and they moved out after about a year or so. > paul > > >> On 2/10/2011 12:22 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: >>> I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were >>> generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi >>> ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT >>> >>> NFI, and all that. >> I drive a Victor. They were not made in Victor, NY; they were made near Detroit by Great lakes car Company. There are very few left. I would expect the price to be quite a bit lower because of the engine and rear end. A genuine Victor is worth serious money. That's partly becuase they are recognized as variants by the MG clubs. Adding an American motor voids that. >> >> -Rocky Frisco >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul at ece.rochester.edu > > > -- > Paul Osborne > University of Rochester > Engineering & Technical Services > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > 201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus > Rochester, New York 14627 > 585-275-5226 > paul at ece.rochester.edu > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell at ghs.com.au > Murray G. Arundell Managing Director GHS Pty Ltd Glaziers Hardware Supplies Brisbane, Australia Phone: +617 3277 1255 Fax: +617 3875 1256 Email: arundell at ghs.com.au From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 14:44:51 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:44:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D545C53.80402@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 2:53 PM, Paul Osborne wrote: > Victor Replicar in Victor NY was on Old Dutch Rd. The orig cars > used mgb components, front ends engines, rear axles etc. I lived in > Mendon, the next town over, and did upholstery for the cars. They > did not catch on and they moved out after about a year or so. > paul Didn't know that. Mine was made in Michigan and sold for $16,000 in 1981. This is the first time I ever heard of them being made in NY. There is a Victor registry on the net. I'm a member. -Rocky Frisco -- From geoff at 1956mga.com Thu Feb 10 14:59:49 2011 From: geoff at 1956mga.com (Geoff) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:59:49 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: The thing I don't understand about replica's is when they cost nearly as much as buying the real thing. I mean, when this was new, what did a reasonably driver go for? I've seen some really nice replica's of cars like the Porsche 550 and the original GT40's, and those I can actually understand, I mean, I'll NEVER be able to afford a real one, and the replica's can be very nicely put together. But for a car that remains relatively affordable...I don't get it. I disagree with the premise that a replica can't have provenience. It won't be of the same luster as an original, but if I were shopping for a 550 replica, I'd certainly place a Beck replica higher on the list than another. That's certainly some type of provenience. I just wish "kit cars" didn't have the stigma they do. I saw a Factory Five Shelby Coupe and FF GTM recently at an event. Those were impressively built and engineered cars. I think they've had as much attention, or more, paid to them than our Mg's did when new... All of that said, I'll bet an MGB based, chevy powered TF replica would be a wild ride. Geoff http://1956mga.com On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > I'm somewhat confused with all this replica thing...... how on earth can a > replica TF have any providence at all? Its a copy, a fake made mostly from > used components from other MGs. Yes some are better than others and the > Victor appears to be better than most but as an MG? No way....... > > Murray Arundell > Brisbane Australia > > On 11/02/2011, at 6:53 AM, Paul Osborne wrote: > >> Victor Replicar in Victor NY was on Old Dutch Rd. The orig cars used mgb > components, front ends engines, rear axles etc. I lived in Mendon, the next > town over, and did upholstery for the cars. They did not catch on and they > moved out after about a year or so. >> paul >> >> >>> On 2/10/2011 12:22 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: >>>> I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were >>>> generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, > though. >>>> >>>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi >>>> ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT >>>> >>>> NFI, and all that. >>> I drive a Victor. They were not made in Victor, NY; they were made near > Detroit by Great lakes car Company. There are very few left. I would expect > the price to be quite a bit lower because of the engine and rear end. A > genuine Victor is worth serious money. That's partly becuase they are > recognized as variants by the MG clubs. Adding an American motor voids that. >>> >>> -Rocky Frisco >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul at ece.rochester.edu >> >> >> -- >> Paul Osborne >> University of Rochester >> Engineering & Technical Services >> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >> 201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus >> Rochester, New York 14627 >> 585-275-5226 >> paul at ece.rochester.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell at ghs.com.au >> > > > > > > > > Murray G. Arundell > Managing Director > GHS Pty Ltd > Glaziers Hardware Supplies > Brisbane, Australia > Phone: +617 3277 1255 > Fax: +617 3875 1256 > Email: arundell at ghs.com.au > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/geoff at 1956mga.com From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 15:27:11 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:27:11 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D54663F.7090605@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 3:27 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > I'm somewhat confused with all this replica thing...... how on earth > can a replica TF have any providence at all? Its a copy, a fake > made mostly from used components from other MGs. Yes some are > better than others and the Victor appears to be better than most but > as an MG? No way....... Well, I'm no expert, but I have owned a TC, two MGA's and this Victor. It's all MG, as far as I'm concerned. It's quirky and unreliable; it has Lucas electrics and it can't be trusted. It's also lots of fun and a certified chick magnet. I was told that the decision to recognize it as an MG was based on the fact that it has no parts from other cars at all. No Ford, No VW stuff at all. It has a fiberglass TF body and a steel frame, to fit the body and MG components. I was told that the door was propped open for this by the recognition of the Bonneville fiberglass MGA that was built for speed runs in the 50's. I have inquired about entering various club events and every single time was told that the Victor is an MG and that I could enter. -Rocky Frisco -- From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 15:30:35 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:30:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <918836.7977.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's a little different than, for example, those VW-based 'TD's'... Take a look here - http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/victor_tf.htm Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: Murray Arundell To: Paul Osborne Cc: Mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 4:27:39 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay I'm somewhat confused with all this replica thing...... how on earth can a replica TF have any providence at all? Its a copy, a fake made mostly from used components from other MGs. Yes some are better than others and the Victor appears to be better than most but as an MG? No way....... Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia On 11/02/2011, at 6:53 AM, Paul Osborne wrote: > Victor Replicar in Victor NY was on Old Dutch Rd. The orig cars used mgb components, front ends engines, rear axles etc. I lived in Mendon, the next town over, and did upholstery for the cars. They did not catch on and they moved out after about a year or so. > paul > > >> On 2/10/2011 12:22 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: >>> I'm not a big fan of replicas generally, but these MGB-based TFs were >>> generally well-done. Not so sure about a Chevy 350 in one of these, though. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320652402246&vi >>> ewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT >>> >>> NFI, and all that. >> I drive a Victor. They were not made in Victor, NY; they were made near Detroit by Great lakes car Company. There are very few left. I would expect the price to be quite a bit lower because of the engine and rear end. A genuine Victor is worth serious money. That's partly becuase they are recognized as variants by the MG clubs. Adding an American motor voids that. >> >> -Rocky Frisco >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul at ece.rochester.edu > > > -- > Paul Osborne > University of Rochester > Engineering & Technical Services > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > 201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus > Rochester, New York 14627 > 585-275-5226 > paul at ece.rochester.edu > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell at ghs.com.au > Murray G. Arundell Managing Director GHS Pty Ltd Glaziers Hardware Supplies Brisbane, Australia Phone: +617 3277 1255 Fax: +617 3875 1256 Email: arundell at ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From arundell at ghs.com.au Thu Feb 10 15:58:50 2011 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:58:50 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: <4D54663F.7090605@gmail.com> References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> <4D54663F.7090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67C66DEB-B2AE-4CCA-857E-65A4B635A886@ghs.com.au> I'd have thought that the fact that it was not manufactured by MGs would have been sufficient to say that it wasn't an MG, but that's only my humble opinion. Out here in Aus a mod started producing a thing called a TD2000 which was an exact copy of a TD. Visually it was perfect but underneath it was all Nissan right down to the air-con!! It apparently drove well, and was probably reliable and definitely more comfortable. Was it an MG? No way in the world..... Murray Arundell On 11/02/2011, at 8:27 AM, The Roxter wrote: > On 2/10/2011 3:27 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: >> I'm somewhat confused with all this replica thing...... how on earth can a replica TF have any providence at all? Its a copy, a fake made mostly from used components from other MGs. Yes some are better than others and the Victor appears to be better than most but as an MG? No way....... > Well, I'm no expert, but I have owned a TC, two MGA's and this Victor. It's all MG, as far as I'm concerned. It's quirky and unreliable; it has Lucas electrics and it can't be trusted. It's also lots of fun and a certified chick magnet. > > I was told that the decision to recognize it as an MG was based on the fact that it has no parts from other cars at all. No Ford, No VW stuff at all. It has a fiberglass TF body and a steel frame, to fit the body and MG components. I was told that the door was propped open for this by the recognition of the Bonneville fiberglass MGA that was built for speed runs in the 50's. > > I have inquired about entering various club events and every single time was told that the Victor is an MG and that I could enter. > > -Rocky Frisco > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell at ghs.com.au > Murray G. Arundell Managing Director GHS Pty Ltd Glaziers Hardware Supplies Brisbane, Australia Phone: +617 3277 1255 Fax: +617 3875 1256 Email: arundell at ghs.com.au From WSpohn4 at aol.com Thu Feb 10 16:11:59 2011 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:11:59 EST Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay Message-ID: <31704.780e233f.3a85cabf@aol.com> Rocky, the streamliners (both EX 135 and EX181) were alloy bodied and used many non-MG parts. EX181 for instance (the MGA one), used a Riley gearbox, a diff out of something else, and various other bits strictly out of the parts bin. I'm not saying someone somewhere didn't use those cars to rationalize calling a special something else, just that the rationalization wasn't a very good one. No way is the Victor an MG, although it could certainly be called a replica MG. The replica Cobra guys will argue all day long about whether the parts content warrants calling their cars replicas. They sure aren't real Cobras any more than a Victor is a real MG. If it didn't come out of the MG factory it isn't an MG, QED. I'm sure that doesn't make it any less fun. Bill In a message dated 2/10/2011 2:51:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rocknatural at gmail.com writes: I was told that the decision to recognize it as an MG was based on the fact that it has no parts from other cars at all. No Ford, No VW stuff at all. It has a fiberglass TF body and a steel frame, to fit the body and MG components. I was told that the door was propped open for this by the recognition of the Bonneville fiberglass MGA that was built for speed runs in the 50's. From rolds at plausa.com Fri Feb 11 07:53:27 2011 From: rolds at plausa.com (Ron Olds) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:53:27 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch drafting program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to update to Windows 7 I can no longer use this program. I am looking for something new that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? Ronald Olds The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. From stargazer1 at cox.net Fri Feb 11 10:59:24 2011 From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:59:24 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D5578FC.3050505@cox.net> Check out Google SketchUp. It should be fairly comparable to Auto Sketch On 2/11/2011 6:53 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch drafting > program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to update to Windows 7 > I can no longer use this program. I am looking for something new that doesn't > cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? > > Ronald Olds > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be > proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of > the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use > is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by > anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies > of the original transmittal. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/stargazer1 at cox.net From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:12:10 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D557BFA.6070206@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 3:59 PM, Geoff wrote: > The thing I don't understand about replica's is when they cost nearly > as much as buying the real thing. I mean, when this was new, what did > a reasonably driver go for? I've seen some really nice replica's of > cars like the Porsche 550 and the original GT40's, and those I can > actually understand, I mean, I'll NEVER be able to afford a real one, > and the replica's can be very nicely put together. But for a car that > remains relatively affordable...I don't get it. > > I disagree with the premise that a replica can't have provenience. It > won't be of the same luster as an original, but if I were shopping for > a 550 replica, I'd certainly place a Beck replica higher on the list > than another. That's certainly some type of provenience. I just > wish "kit cars" didn't have the stigma they do. I saw a Factory Five > Shelby Coupe and FF GTM recently at an event. Those were impressively > built and engineered cars. I think they've had as much attention, or > more, paid to them than our Mg's did when new... > > All of that said, I'll bet an MGB based, chevy powered TF replica > would be a wild ride. The Victor, in good tune, is a wild ride without the Chevy engine. The TF has tiny drum brakes and a wee little engine. I never owned a TF, but I did drive a 1949 TC for a while and it was a clattery, tin-toy car. I loved it, but it had serious safety issues. For instance, the brake slave cylinders had seals that used a tiny metal daisy to hold them in shape. Just one "petal" of one seal broke and there were no brakes at all, a really bad design. The Victor is all MGB, brakes, suspension, drive-train and all. It's a great improvement on the original TF. The fiberglass body won't rust. My Victor has a 45 pound solid brass grill. A nice TF is worth around $9,000 to $15,000, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of them still on the road. I have heard estimates that there are less than 20 Victor turn-key cars still driving. Nobody seems to know what happened to the kit-Victors. The estimator for my insurance company valued my car at over $50,000 a few year ago. He said he based it mostly on rarity and availability. My Victor sold for $16,000 in 1981, when you could get a concourse TF for less. I would much rather drive the Victor than a TF. -Rocky Frisco -- From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:25:17 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:25:17 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: <918836.7977.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> <918836.7977.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D557F0D.1010700@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 4:30 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > It's a little different than, for example, those VW-based 'TD's'... Take a look > here - > > http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/victor_tf.htm There are some errors in the article. It says, "I was taken back to 1982 when MG TF's were built in Victor" and"Some time later they changed their name again to Great Lakes Motor Cars Corp." The original owner of my car, Victor Cain, bought the car in Michigan in 1981 off the showroom floor, so the timeline is in error. -Rocky Frisco -- From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:27:09 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: <67C66DEB-B2AE-4CCA-857E-65A4B635A886@ghs.com.au> References: <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> <4D54663F.7090605@gmail.com> <67C66DEB-B2AE-4CCA-857E-65A4B635A886@ghs.com.au> Message-ID: <4D557F7D.7020803@gmail.com> On 2/10/2011 4:58 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > I'd have thought that the fact that it was not manufactured by MGs > would have been sufficient to say that it wasn't an MG, but that's > only my humble opinion. > > Out here in Aus a mod started producing a thing called a TD2000 > which was an exact copy of a TD. Visually it was perfect but > underneath it was all Nissan right down to the air-con!! It > apparently drove well, and was probably reliable and definitely more > comfortable. Was it an MG? No way in the world..... I would agree, but the Victor had no parts from any other car. -Rocky Frisco -- From redscirocco at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:59:29 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay In-Reply-To: <4D557BFA.6070206@gmail.com> References: , <4D543840.1050109@gmail.com> , , , <4D557BFA.6070206@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you can find a "nice" TF for $9k or even $15K, buy it. You'll make a lot of money when you sell it for twice that later. They're going for $25k to $35k now. Most are hovering around $30k. A survivor/driver will run about $25k. Even the ones with "issues" are going for more than $20k. $9k will get you a basket case that's more or less complete for restoration. The TF, once the red-headed stepchild of the T-series, is now one of the most sought-after models. Only 9600 were built, you know, including the 1500s. And they were all built in an MG factory. I do think the Victors are nice. Would I trade my real TF for one? Nope. Mike Eldred > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:10 -0600 > From: rocknatural at gmail.com > To: Mgs at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] TF replica FS on ebay > > On 2/10/2011 3:59 PM, Geoff wrote: > > The thing I don't understand about replica's is when they cost nearly > > as much as buying the real thing. I mean, when this was new, what did > > a reasonably driver go for? I've seen some really nice replica's of > > cars like the Porsche 550 and the original GT40's, and those I can > > actually understand, I mean, I'll NEVER be able to afford a real one, > > and the replica's can be very nicely put together. But for a car that > > remains relatively affordable...I don't get it. > > > > I disagree with the premise that a replica can't have provenience. It > > won't be of the same luster as an original, but if I were shopping for > > a 550 replica, I'd certainly place a Beck replica higher on the list > > than another. That's certainly some type of provenience. I just > > wish "kit cars" didn't have the stigma they do. I saw a Factory Five > > Shelby Coupe and FF GTM recently at an event. Those were impressively > > built and engineered cars. I think they've had as much attention, or > > more, paid to them than our Mg's did when new... > > > > All of that said, I'll bet an MGB based, chevy powered TF replica > > would be a wild ride. > The Victor, in good tune, is a wild ride without the Chevy engine. > > The TF has tiny drum brakes and a wee little engine. I never owned a TF, but I did drive a 1949 TC for a while and it was a clattery, tin-toy car. I loved it, but it had serious safety issues. For instance, the brake slave cylinders had seals that used a tiny metal daisy to hold them in shape. Just one "petal" of one seal broke and there were no brakes at all, a really bad design. > > The Victor is all MGB, brakes, suspension, drive-train and all. It's a great improvement on the original TF. The fiberglass body won't rust. My Victor has a 45 pound solid brass grill. A nice TF is worth around $9,000 to $15,000, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of them still on the road. I have heard estimates that there are less than 20 Victor turn-key cars still driving. Nobody seems to know what happened to the kit-Victors. The estimator for my insurance company valued my car at over $50,000 a few year ago. He said he based it mostly on rarity and availability. > > My Victor sold for $16,000 in 1981, when you could get a concourse TF for less. I would much rather drive the Victor than a TF. > > -Rocky Frisco > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco at hotmail.com From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Fri Feb 11 14:46:32 2011 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DC17@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Have you tried Windows 7 XP mode: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx Or to be really sophisticated you can run virtual machines, other computer desktops, on your computer. Virtual Box is freeware that allows you to run XP or Vista in a separate box on your desktop. Macs run a similar program, Parallels, that allows them to also run Windows the same way. It's the latest thing. David Councill -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Olds Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:53 AM To: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs(triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program Hello Everyone, Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch drafting program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to update to Windows 7 I can no longer use this program. I am looking for something new that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? Ronald Olds The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dcouncill at msubillings.edu From ptrmgb at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 15:10:36 2011 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:10:36 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DC17@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DC17@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Message-ID: <8816DE96-4E95-4AFF-9D3E-96DCD0862D7F@gmail.com> VirtualBox is available for Windows, MacOS, Linux, and Solaris. Parallels is available for MacOS, but VMWare is faster. VMWare is also available on Windows. I use VirtualBox, it's pretty nice. I don't run it often, but I've just had a thought that I might try it again on my Linux desktop at work. Since I now know how to join the domain, I could bring up an XP vbox and save a step. I rarely use my Windows machine for anything other than Outlook. On Feb 11, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Councill, David wrote: > Have you tried Windows 7 XP mode: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx > > Or to be really sophisticated you can run virtual machines, other > computer desktops, on your computer. Virtual Box is freeware that allows > you to run XP or Vista in a separate box on your desktop. Macs run a > similar program, Parallels, that allows them to also run Windows the > same way. It's the latest thing. > > David Councill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Olds > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:53 AM > To: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs(triumphs at autox.team.net); > mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program > > Hello Everyone, > > Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch drafting > program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to update to > Windows 7 > I can no longer use this program. I am looking for something new that > doesn't > cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? > > Ronald Olds > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may > be > proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the > use of > the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other > such use > is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying > by > anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you > have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all > copies > of the original transmittal. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dcouncill at msubillings.edu > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From steve at shoyer.com Fri Feb 11 15:48:31 2011 From: steve at shoyer.com (Steve Shoyer) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C90F0D04B9C4266AC9D200460E1976D@SteveHPlaptop> Depending on what you want to draw, DraftSight (http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/) is a free CAD program that seems pretty powerful. --Steve -----Original Message----- Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch drafting program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to update to Windows 7 I can no longer use this program. I am looking for something new that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? From fjchinnici at comcast.net Sun Feb 13 10:52:51 2011 From: fjchinnici at comcast.net (fjchinnici) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Windscreen Washer Jet Location Message-ID: <3E0C196C-2FAC-4E8A-8F67-9FD7243D2391@comcast.net> I wonder if someone with an MGA equipped with windscreen washer jets could help me with some measurements on where to locate the jets. Because my new dash has a hole for a washer switch that I didn't see until after it was painted and installed...I'm now gonna add the jets... Thanks. From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sun Feb 13 11:39:07 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:39:07 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Windscreen Washer Jet Location In-Reply-To: <3E0C196C-2FAC-4E8A-8F67-9FD7243D2391@comcast.net> References: <3E0C196C-2FAC-4E8A-8F67-9FD7243D2391@comcast.net> Message-ID: <849622.48901.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com> See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/accessories/at105.htm Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 12:52 PM 2/13/2011 -0500, fjchinnici wrote: >I wonder if someone with an MGA equipped with windscreen washer jets >could help me with some measurements on where to locate the jets. .... From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 11:40:35 2011 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:40:35 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] twas a good day Message-ID: So yesterday I spent most of the day at work on a technical manual I am writing for a class I have to teach. When I finally got done about 2 I left the shop, and headed out. It was a beautiful day about 85 and clear as a bell. Heading up the hill toward the 118 freeway over my stereo I hear a BRRRAAAAAP of a T series exhaust. Passing me was a RHD TC survivor. No over restored trailer queen this. BRG, Brookslands racing screens, and the patina that only the years can give. The couple driving it looked like they were having a ball. I was so jealous, but I had a smile on my face for the rest of the day. Rick From rolds at plausa.com Mon Feb 14 08:46:34 2011 From: rolds at plausa.com (Ron Olds) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:46:34 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] [Shop-talk] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Brian, Yes I tried to run the program and it does not work. I have contacted Autodesk and they have told me the program will not run with Windows 7 and they only way to save my old files is to find someone who has the program and can convert the files to DWG format. Thanks for your suggestions. Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:52 PM To: Ron Olds Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drafting Program Ronald - Did you try the program on the new computer? I use several programs from XP that are not listed as Windows 7 compatible on my new Win 7 Home Premium 64 computer. One has no issues at all. Fireworks MX 2004 switches the screen display to eliminate all the fancy screen stuff, but everything goes back once I close the program. Dreamweaver MX 2004 works fine for everything I do at home. At work, I can't use it because it has to be run as an administrator and looses network drives. My recommendation it to give the current program a test and see if it still works. Brian On 2/11/2011 6:53 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch > drafting program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to > update to Windows 7 I can no longer use this program. I am looking > for something new that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? > > Ronald Olds > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may > be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for > the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or > any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, > semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is > expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net From dave at ranteer.com Mon Feb 14 09:18:26 2011 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:18:26 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: [TR] [Shop-talk] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7EF5375A4E5741E0B3B4BA649564021C@ranteer.local> ?have you tried setting up virtual pc within win 7 and running it inside there? also you can right click on the icon and select run in emulation mode. From: Ron Olds Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:46 AM To: Brian Kemp Cc: mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ; mgs at autox.team.net ; mg-t at autox.team.net ; shop-talk at autox.team.net Subject: [SPAM] Re: [TR] [Shop-talk] Drafting Program Brian, Yes I tried to run the program and it does not work. I have contacted Autodesk and they have told me the program will not run with Windows 7 and they only way to save my old files is to find someone who has the program and can convert the files to DWG format. Thanks for your suggestions. Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 From dave at ranteer.com Mon Feb 14 09:21:09 2011 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:21:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: o;?I hadnbt driven the car for a few weeks, so Ibm not sure if I correctly remember. I think I was having trouble previously keeping the car running at idle; I had to pull the choke out for it to stay running. We went for a drive today; about 30 minutes of freeway and 10 minutes of neighborhood driving. I was having trouble keeping the car at idle; I had to use the choke to turn the revs up a bit to keep it running. We turned the car off, looked around for 10 or 15 minutes, then got back in the car and drove around a bit more. Went to a drive in to deposit a check, and had a bit of trouble keeping it running, and then restarting it, so I left it idling for the 10 or 15 minutes we were in line. Got done with that, then as I was leaving the car died and I couldnbt restart it. Pushed it off into a parking spot, and looked under the hood. I noticed one of the dashpot tops was unscrewed, so I put that back on. Car wouldnbt start. Put dashpot oil in; car wouldnbt start. Sprayed some WD-40 into the air filters and it started. Drove it home with the choke way out! Back in the garage I pushed the choke back in and it idled just fine. Turned it off and back on, no biggie. Am I correct in thinking that the dashpot cover/oil was the issue; I flooded it; and now its more or less back to normal? Or should I be looking for something deeper? From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Feb 14 09:36:57 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:36:57 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: An unscrewed damper shouldn't cause failure to idle, that usually only causes stumbling when you try to accelerate. Driving with the choke fully out should have flooded it, or made it run very poorly at the very least, washing oil off the bores and diluting the oil. If it didn't then it indicates a weak mixture, which could be from any number of intermittent causes if it idled fine when it got home. WD40 in the air filters won't do anything except gum-up the filter material, it isn't a volatile like starting fluids. With any stumbling or rough running the first thing is to look at the tach and see if that is jumping up and down (ignition LT problem) or reading true revs (HT, fuel or possibly condenser). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > We went for a drive today; about 30 minutes of freeway and 10 minutes of > neighborhood driving. I was having trouble keeping the car at idle; I had > to > use the choke to turn the revs up a bit to keep it running... From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Feb 14 18:41:24 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:41:24 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> WD40 is volatile and flamable, and does make a good starting fluid. A few years ago John Twist spritzed a bit of WD40 into my MGA air cleaners to get is started when temperature was around 10dF. My 2nd generation RX7 has a sub-zero staqrting system that uses a 90/10 solution of ethelyene-glycol and water (premanent antifreeze). When temperature is below 0dF it will squirt about a tablespoon of the stuff into the intake manuifold, and it starts right up. In a pinch, even DOT3 or DOT4 brake fluuid can be used as a starting fluid. Of course gasoline can also be used as a starting fluid, just a matter of priming the intake before cranking. The issue with cold weather starting with SU carburetors is that there is no accellerator pump, so they need several seconds of cranking with full choke before it gets enough fuel for very cold weaather starting. If the battery goes low and cranking gets slow before it fires up, you're stuffed. Priming before cranking can make a big difference. (This does not explain why a car won't start in warm weather). At 04:36 PM 2/14/2011 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote: >.... >WD40 in the air filters won't do anything except gum-up the filter >material, it isn't a volatile like starting fluids..... From strovato at optonline.net Mon Feb 14 19:10:34 2011 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:10:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LGM00HL5ZDIMIF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Barney, I did a bit of web searching on using WD40 as starting fluid, and I found a number of discussions on various lists, many pertaining to boats. Several people claim that at some point years ago, WD40 changed the propellant from propane to CO2. They claim that the old version made a good starting fluid, but that the CO2 version does not. I haven't found any definitive information on this so far. -Steve Trovato strovato at optonline.net At 08:41 PM 2/14/2011, Barney Gaylord wrote: >WD40 is volatile and flamable, and does make a good starting >fluid. A few years ago John Twist spritzed a bit of WD40 into my >MGA air cleaners to get is started when temperature was around 10dF. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Feb 15 01:47:15 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:47:15 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <0LGM00HL5ZDIMIF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: FWIW: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100719142242AAT6gsB ----- Original Message ----- > I did a bit of web searching on using WD40 as starting fluid, and I > found a number of discussions on various lists, many pertaining to > boats. Several people claim that at some point years ago, WD40 > changed the propellant from propane to CO2. They claim that the old > version made a good starting fluid, but that the CO2 version does > not. I haven't found any definitive information on this so far. From strovato at optonline.net Tue Feb 15 08:07:25 2011 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:07:25 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <0LGM00HL5ZDIMIF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <0LGN004G8ZCH18H0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Interesting that at that link it says that LPG is the propellant, yet the MSDS that they provide a link for shows CO2 as an ingredient. There is no mention of LPG. As a more definitive answer on the current formulation, the FAQ at wd40.com says: What is the propellant in WD-40? A propellant is the stuff that helps pump WD-40 out of the can. The propellant used in WD-40 is carbon dioxide (CO2). CO2 is an inert gas which helps empty the can. Plus, the addition of CO2 reduced the number of VOCs, which helps preserve the environment. Be sure to point the spray nozzle toward the dot on the top of the can to ensure that the can fully empties. -Steve At 03:47 AM 2/15/2011, Paul Hunt wrote: >FWIW: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100719142242AAT6gsB From rolds at plausa.com Tue Feb 15 08:19:22 2011 From: rolds at plausa.com (Ron Olds) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:19:22 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <0LGN004G8ZCH18H0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <564674.82927.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <0LGM00HL5ZDIMIF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <0LGN004G8ZCH18H0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: I am not sure what is in WD-40 but I do know that is what my sons used as a propellant in their "spud guns" potato launchers. With its ability to shoot a potato the distance it does I would assume it would work well as a starting fluid. Ronald Olds The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Trovato Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:07 AM To: Paul Hunt; mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Interesting that at that link it says that LPG is the propellant, yet the MSDS that they provide a link for shows CO2 as an ingredient. There is no mention of LPG. As a more definitive answer on the current formulation, the FAQ at wd40.com says: What is the propellant in WD-40? A propellant is the stuff that helps pump WD-40 out of the can. The propellant used in WD-40 is carbon dioxide (CO2). CO2 is an inert gas which helps empty the can. Plus, the addition of CO2 reduced the number of VOCs, which helps preserve the environment. Be sure to point the spray nozzle toward the dot on the top of the can to ensure that the can fully empties. -Steve At 03:47 AM 2/15/2011, Paul Hunt wrote: >FWIW: >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100719142242AAT6gsB _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rolds at plausa.com From guinness at stclegal.com Wed Feb 16 10:14:36 2011 From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:14:36 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs Message-ID: <4D5C05FC.2080005@stclegal.com> Is it me, or are the prices for MGAs climbing significantly. If so, why (other than that they are great cars)? -- Robert Guinness From ccrobins at ktc.com Wed Feb 16 10:35:15 2011 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:35:15 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray it above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) CR From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Feb 16 10:52:16 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:52:16 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs In-Reply-To: <4D5C05FC.2080005@stclegal.com> References: <4D5C05FC.2080005@stclegal.com> Message-ID: Well, I've been saying the same thing for the last 20 years. They are great cars, but I could never figure out why their prices are so out of line with other MGs. Or at least, that's the way it has appeared to me. And they keep going up and up. I guess I should have bought that MGA with the frozen engine and tattered interior for $500 back in '86, eh? Or the $5,000 95% restored TC that I passed up the same day. (Of course, even then, those were both a steal. The story was that the owner went to Korea on a business trip. When his business was completed, rather than return home to his wife, he took up with a Korean mistress and sent home divorce papers and instructions to sell his MGs. So the wife was selling them for as little as she dared. If only I hadn't been living on a PFC's wages at the time, I would have driven home with that TC.) -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:14:36 -0600 > From: guinness at stclegal.com > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs > > Is it me, or are the prices for MGAs climbing significantly. If so, why > (other than that they are great cars)? > -- > Robert Guinness > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco at hotmail.com From dave at ranteer.com Wed Feb 16 11:17:32 2011 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:17:32 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> Message-ID: <516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffHIECgQpk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:35 AM To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray it above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) CR From strovato at optonline.net Wed Feb 16 12:05:20 2011 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> Message-ID: <0LGQ0089W510DCU0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> There's not much doubt that the solvent is flammable. But the switch from a flammable propellant to CO2 may make it less suitable as a starting fluid. At 12:35 PM 2/16/2011, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and >spray it above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Feb 16 12:25:20 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs References: <4D5C05FC.2080005@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <1315A52EB68540C19D632111845C58AD@frankdcczr6l6k> Good question but I love it as I will be putting my 1958 A up for sale when the weather imrpoves here in the northeast. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs > Is it me, or are the prices for MGAs climbing significantly. If so, why > (other than that they are great cars)? > -- > Robert Guinness > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12 at verizon.net From WSpohn4 at aol.com Wed Feb 16 13:00:38 2011 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:00:38 EST Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Message-ID: <4389.4c659f76.3a8d86e6@aol.com> Wait a minute. Starting fluid? What did I miss here? WD-40 isn't a starting fluid, it is a penetrant/lubricant/moisture excluder....... Bill In a message dated 2/16/2011 11:58:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, strovato at optonline.net writes: There's not much doubt that the solvent is flammable. But the switch from a flammable propellant to CO2 may make it less suitable as a starting fluid. From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Feb 16 13:04:30 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs Message-ID: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, IMHO: Because they are such rust buckets that supplies, at least in the Rust Belt, have diminished far more than demand has increased. That said, I'd like to find a nice, straight, rust free one to restore. Dream on. Ed From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Feb 16 13:54:20 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:54:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <4389.4c659f76.3a8d86e6@aol.com> Message-ID: I have been using WD 40 as starting fluid for over 30 years. It started when I was racing H Production in SCCA on the west coast and the high compression engines had a tendency to not start when cool or cold and a shot of WD40 on the pre-grid was always handy and that is what we used. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? > Wait a minute. Starting fluid? What did I miss here? WD-40 isn't a > starting fluid, it is a penetrant/lubricant/moisture excluder....... > > Bill > > > In a message dated 2/16/2011 11:58:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > strovato at optonline.net writes: > > There's not much doubt that the solvent is flammable. But the switch > from a flammable propellant to CO2 may make it less suitable as a > starting fluid. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12 at verizon.net From WSpohn4 at aol.com Wed Feb 16 13:55:34 2011 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:55:34 EST Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Message-ID: <867f.3adc8b40.3a8d93c6@aol.com> Interesting. Oddly enough, I have always used starting fluid for starting fluid. The ether in it makes it more effective than any ersatz fluids I know of. Bill In a message dated 2/16/2011 12:54:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, frankk12 at verizon.net writes: I have been using WD 40 as starting fluid for over 30 years. It started when I was racing H Production in SCCA on the west coast and the high compression engines had a tendency to not start when cool or cold and a shot of WD40 on the pre-grid was always handy and that is what we used. From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Feb 16 13:58:21 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <867f.3adc8b40.3a8d93c6@aol.com> Message-ID: <29AC1A81D1E8401DAD38E858E2A971CD@frankdcczr6l6k> It was just handy and one less thing to have to carry to the track. ----- Original Message ----- From: WSpohn4 at aol.com To: frankk12 at verizon.net ; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Interesting. Oddly enough, I have always used starting fluid for starting fluid. The ether in it makes it more effective than any ersatz fluids I know of. Bill In a message dated 2/16/2011 12:54:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, frankk12 at verizon.net writes: I have been using WD 40 as starting fluid for over 30 years. It started when I was racing H Production in SCCA on the west coast and the high compression engines had a tendency to not start when cool or cold and a shot of WD40 on the pre-grid was always handy and that is what we used. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 16 14:03:19 2011 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <4389.4c659f76.3a8d86e6@aol.com> Message-ID: No, don't start that over again! ;-( -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 2/16/11 12:00 PM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote: > Wait a minute. Starting fluid? What did I miss here? WD-40 isn't a > starting fluid, it is a penetrant/lubricant/moisture excluder....... > > Bill > > > In a message dated 2/16/2011 11:58:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > strovato at optonline.net writes: > > There's not much doubt that the solvent is flammable. But the switch > from a flammable propellant to CO2 may make it less suitable as a > starting fluid. From mgbob at juno.com Wed Feb 16 15:24:04 2011 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:24:04 GMT Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Message-ID: <20110216.172404.6565.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Spray it onto wet cats---displaces the moisture from sodden fur very quickly.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Max Heim To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:03:19 -0800 No, don't start that over again! ;-( -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From rocknatural at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 15:50:51 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:50:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs In-Reply-To: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D5C54CB.80605@gmail.com> On 2/16/2011 2:04 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > List, > > > > IMHO: Because they are such rust buckets that supplies, at least in the Rust Belt, have diminished far more than demand has increased. That said, I'd like to find a nice, straight, rust free one to restore. Dream on. I sold a nice solid one last year for $2,000. -Rocky Frisco -- From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 16 17:28:47 2011 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:28:47 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs In-Reply-To: <4D5C54CB.80605@gmail.com> References: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4D5C54CB.80605@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rock, I woulda given you $2100 for a nice solid one! -----Original Message----- From: The Roxter Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:50 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs On 2/16/2011 2:04 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > List, > > > > IMHO: Because they are such rust buckets that supplies, at least in the > Rust Belt, have diminished far more than demand has increased. That said, > I'd like to find a nice, straight, rust free one to restore. Dream on. I sold a nice solid one last year for $2,000. -Rocky Frisco -- _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ladaniels at sbcglobal.net From rolds at plausa.com Wed Feb 16 17:45:25 2011 From: rolds at plausa.com (Ron Olds) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:45:25 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] [Shop-talk] Drafting Program In-Reply-To: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I would like to thank everyone for their input on my problem. I ended up installing Virtual XP which will solve my problem. I can now run the program and open my old drawings. I also installed CadStd which looks like a good program, basic but gives me what I want. Some of the other programs recommended to me were either not Windows 7 compatible or not free as suggested. If anyone has any old programs which will not run on the newer Windows I would recommend the Virtual XP. It is a free way to use old software instead of buying upgrades or in my case where there was no alternative. Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:52 PM To: Ron Olds Cc: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Drafting Program Ronald - Did you try the program on the new computer? I use several programs from XP that are not listed as Windows 7 compatible on my new Win 7 Home Premium 64 computer. One has no issues at all. Fireworks MX 2004 switches the screen display to eliminate all the fancy screen stuff, but everything goes back once I close the program. Dreamweaver MX 2004 works fine for everything I do at home. At work, I can't use it because it has to be run as an administrator and looses network drives. My recommendation it to give the current program a test and see if it still works. Brian On 2/11/2011 6:53 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Back in my previous versions of Windows I used the Auto Sketch > drafting program which worked great for me. Now that I have had to > update to Windows 7 I can no longer use this program. I am looking > for something new that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Anyone have any suggestions? > > Ronald Olds > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may > be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for > the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or > any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, > semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is > expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13 at earthlink.net From barrie at look.ca Wed Feb 16 17:46:10 2011 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4389.4c659f76.3a8d86e6@aol.com> Message-ID: WD40 (water disperser) was developed for the army to spray on engine electrical bits that had got dew all over them due to coldish nights - particularly in Europe. As a penetrant is mildly average and as a lubricant I think chewing gum (used) is better. There are tons of better starting fluids - like ether for one. I used to start my TR2 with a dead battery with that stuff even when the starter just twitched !! At 03:54 PM 2/16/2011, frankk12 at verizon.net wrote: >I have been using WD 40 as starting fluid for over 30 years. It >started when I was racing H Production in SCCA on the west coast and >the high compression engines had a tendency to not start when cool >or cold and a shot of WD40 on the pre-grid was always handy and that >is what we used. >Frank Krajewski >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: ; ; >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:00 PM >Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? > > >>Wait a minute. Starting fluid? What did I miss here? WD-40 isn't a >>starting fluid, it is a penetrant/lubricant/moisture excluder....... >> >>Bill >> >> >>In a message dated 2/16/2011 11:58:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>strovato at optonline.net writes: >> >>There's not much doubt that the solvent is flammable. But the switch >>from a flammable propellant to CO2 may make it less suitable as a >>starting fluid. >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Mgs at autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12 at verizon.net >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca 705--721-9060 From shop at justbrits.com Wed Feb 16 17:59:28 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:59:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs In-Reply-To: References: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4D5C54CB.80605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D5C72F0.9000108@justbrits.com> /7SE8i3: Permission denied From shop at justbrits.com Wed Feb 16 18:06:05 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:06:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] Message-ID: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com> SORRY, accidentally sent in html !!!!! -------- Original Message -------- LAD said to The Rockter: << Rock, I woulda given you $2100 for a nice solid one! >> And I say: But I woulda given ya $2500.00, Rocky !!! Ed From ptrmgb at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 19:25:05 2011 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:25:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] In-Reply-To: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com> References: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <0F46A572-CF4D-4F99-A66A-3695157F9A54@gmail.com> Where were you guys a year ago when Rocky said he was selling? On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Shop at Just Brits wrote: > SORRY, accidentally sent in html !!!!! > > -------- Original Message -------- > > LAD said to The Rockter: > > << Rock, I woulda given you $2100 for a nice solid one! >> > > And I say: > > But I woulda given ya $2500.00, Rocky !!! > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 16 19:53:58 2011 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:53:58 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] In-Reply-To: <0F46A572-CF4D-4F99-A66A-3695157F9A54@gmail.com> References: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com> <0F46A572-CF4D-4F99-A66A-3695157F9A54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00CDCAC9D2564D9A8FCBA08CE4233065@HomePC> I was looking for a "nice, solid" rust free MGA for $2100. Where were you? I haven't seen an MGA meeting those qualifications in many, many years. Have you? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Root Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:25 PM To: Shop at " Just Brits " Cc: 4 - MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] Where were you guys a year ago when Rocky said he was selling? On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Shop at Just Brits wrote: > SORRY, accidentally sent in html !!!!! > > -------- Original Message -------- > > LAD said to The Rockter: > > << Rock, I woulda given you $2100 for a nice solid one! >> > > And I say: > > But I woulda given ya $2500.00, Rocky !!! > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ladaniels at sbcglobal.net From richard.ewald at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 20:50:43 2011 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:50:43 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> Message-ID: Or if you don't happen to have a match handy, you could just read the back of the can "Caution contents Flammable!" On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray it > above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) > > CR > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald at gmail.com From jevans at mydb3.com Wed Feb 16 20:52:34 2011 From: jevans at mydb3.com (jevans at mydb3.com) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:52:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mgs] 15th Annual British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble Message-ID: <1279.108.64.36.238.1297914754.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> The 15th annual All British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble will be held on February 27, 2011 at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton, Illinois. This is an indoor event with approximately 100 vendor spaces in two buildings. Hours are 8 AM to 3 PM with a $5 admission fee and free parking. The suburban location is about 25 miles due west of Chicago, with easy access from the Chicago area Interstate road system. Hosted by the Chicagoland MG Club, this event has the enthusiastic support of all the major British Car clubs in the Chicago area; most of these clubs have taken spaces for club use and have promoted the event to their members resulting in a strong turnout of vendors and buyers of parts and accessories for all types of British cars. Publicity has included a direct mailing to over 3,000 Chicago/midwest area owners of British cars and motorcycles, as well as advertising in major metropolitan newspapers in Chicago, Indianapolis, St Louis, Peoria, Quad Cities, Rockford and Milwaukee. This event has been advertised in Auto Restorer, Skinned Knuckles, Old Cars Weekly and other enthusiast publications as well as through postings on enthusiast internet sites; it now attracts the participation of British Car enthusiasts from throughout the midwest with shoppers coming from all surrounding states. A list of local hotels is available upon request. This year, enthusiasts for other European cars and motorcycles are also welcomed and encouraged to attend. Vendors already booked in include such well known suppliers to the British Car hobby as: Triple-C, Little British Car Company, TSI, University Motors, Riverside Motors, author Burt Levy and more. Any viewer of this message who has access to other club email lists is encouraged to send it on. Any questions - email me off list or call me at 630-858-8192 or see the website at http://www.britishcarswap.info Mapquest to 2015 West Manchester Road, Wheaton, Illinois 60187. Hope to see your there! FOR THE CHICAGOLAND MG CLUB Jim Evans From don at napanet.net Wed Feb 16 21:35:35 2011 From: don at napanet.net (Don) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:35:35 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs In-Reply-To: <4D5C72F0.9000108@justbrits.com> References: <1142142995.1257050.1297886670284.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4D5C54CB.80605@gmail.com> <4D5C72F0.9000108@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <20110217043547.7E9D7AF009@mail.dsl.napanet.net> I agree, it does look like prices are on the rise. I attribute it to the fact that so many of our beloved little Brit cars have been sent to other countries. And with a weak US dollar, more and more foreigners are plucking up the rest of them here in the US. I have posted on this subject before and got flak from guys in Australia. I think it is a shame for the hobby here that the cars have become so costly. There was a '56 MGA on eBay that just sold for $18,500. It is an ok car, but it just doesn't look that well sorted to me. In fact, the "restoration" looked to be aimed at a quick resell or flip of the car. [] MG : MGA ROADSTER 1956 MGA One Owner Car 1956 Don Scott Calistoga CA USA 1966 TR4A 1962 MGA Mk 2 1973 MGB GT (selling) 1963-7 MGB (seeking) Misc. Japanese cars From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 17 01:57:18 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:57:18 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> <516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> Or there again ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN7_QxpQMRo&feature=related ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? > ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffHIECgQpk > > From: Charley & Peggy Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:35 AM > To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? > > It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray > it above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Feb 17 08:07:31 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:07:31 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> Message-ID: <169137D420B34F27B4D058FD25C880F6@paul> Lots of things are flammable, there can be a huge difference between that and volatile. ----- Original Message ----- > Or if you don't happen to have a match handy, you could just read the back > of the can "Caution contents Flammable!" > > >> It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray >> it >> above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 11:40:55 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:40:55 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] In-Reply-To: <00CDCAC9D2564D9A8FCBA08CE4233065@HomePC> References: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com> <0F46A572-CF4D-4F99-A66A-3695157F9A54@gmail.com> <00CDCAC9D2564D9A8FCBA08CE4233065@HomePC> Message-ID: <4D5D6BB7.1040408@gmail.com> On 2/16/2011 8:53 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I was looking for a "nice, solid" rust free MGA for $2100. > > Where were you? I haven't seen an MGA meeting those qualifications in many, > many years. Have you? Just that one. I bought it from a friend for $3,000 when I came off the JJ Cale tour in 2004. I did a lot of work on it and planned to put an MGB engine in it, but I had financial troubles, so I sold it back to the guy I bought it from. I owed him a favor, so I took a hit on the price. -Rocky Frisco -- From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 17 12:43:56 2011 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:43:56 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] In-Reply-To: <4D5D6BB7.1040408@gmail.com> References: <4D5C747D.2020708@justbrits.com><0F46A572-CF4D-4F99-A66A-3695157F9A54@gmail.com><00CDCAC9D2564D9A8FCBA08CE4233065@HomePC> <4D5D6BB7.1040408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36F8E43C38C9420F83645260008512B3@HomePC> Yeah, Rocky, the point there is that deal wasn't open to the public. He got that price because you owed him a favor. In the open market, we aren't going to see nice, solid, rust-free MGAs going for anywhere near that kind of money. If you would have offered that car to the list or on eBay, you would have gotten a lot more money than that for it. Larry -----Original Message----- From: The Roxter Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 12:40 PM To: Mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Fwd: Re: Prices for MGAs] On 2/16/2011 8:53 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > I was looking for a "nice, solid" rust free MGA for $2100. > > Where were you? I haven't seen an MGA meeting those qualifications in > many, > many years. Have you? Just that one. I bought it from a friend for $3,000 when I came off the JJ Cale tour in 2004. I did a lot of work on it and planned to put an MGB engine in it, but I had financial troubles, so I sold it back to the guy I bought it from. I owed him a favor, so I took a hit on the price. -Rocky Frisco -- _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ladaniels at sbcglobal.net From barneymg at mgaguru.com Thu Feb 17 13:32:13 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:32:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] test - ignore Message-ID: <290087.29482.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You couldn't ignore this? I know I'm subscribed to the mgs list, because I'm geting copies of list messages. But I have sent a couple of messages that do not subsequently appear on the list. If anyone sees this it obviously went through. If this doesn't work my next move is to unsubscribe and re-subscribe. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From ddarby at centurytel.net Thu Feb 17 14:57:11 2011 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:57:11 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> <69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> Message-ID: <30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> Here's how the big boys use it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDPHjo1zRU&NR=1 DFD From frankk12 at verizon.net Thu Feb 17 14:57:45 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TR4 Message-ID: <77DED436B9784C7DA56DB28FD3F7A505@frankdcczr6l6k> I realize this doesn't quite fit on this MG List but I am helping out a local widow who has a large collection of TR4 & TR4A parts and cars that her husband amassed over his lifetime with the purpose of restoring the cars. Unfortunately he died and left her with these cars and parts before he had the opportunity to restore anything and she needs to unload them after a year of holding on to them. If anyone is interested please contact Jen Bertrell or myself. Her email is jenbertrell at me.com. They are in Rhode Island. She told me several members of the Connecticut Triuimph Club spent 5 hours poring over the stuff but didn't have the space to store any of it so passed. Frank Krajewski From peter at nosimport.com Thu Feb 17 15:33:54 2011 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:33:54 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Chicagoland British Car Swap Meet Message-ID: <201102171433646.SM04720@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Preemptive self-serving post. This year I will be vending. February 27 Hope to see some of you. Peter C From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com Thu Feb 17 15:34:35 2011 From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> <69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> <30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> Message-ID: that's a bit of amazing! Dave Houser On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:57 PM, David F. Darby wrote: > Here's how the big boys use it... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDPHjo1zRU&NR=1 > > > DFD > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com From dwoerpel at wi.net Thu Feb 17 15:43:08 2011 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:43:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test Message-ID: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> Barney, can you hear me now?;-) Dave From barneymg at mgaguru.com Thu Feb 17 16:49:59 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:49:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test In-Reply-To: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> References: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> Message-ID: <749259.12193.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I can see and hear everything and everybody, including my own posts, except for one that does not want to go through. It is 6-KB in size, not excessively long. A few other people say they did not see it either, so I will try one more time. Barney At 04:43 PM 2/17/2011 -0600, Woerpel wrote: >Barney, can you hear me now?;-) >.... From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 17:13:05 2011 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] test - ignore In-Reply-To: <290087.29482.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <290087.29482.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D5DB991.7080402@gmail.com> On 2/17/2011 2:32 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > You couldn't ignore this? > > I know I'm subscribed to the mgs list, because I'm geting copies of > list messages. But I have sent a couple of messages that do not > subsequently appear on the list. If anyone sees this it obviously > went through. If this doesn't work my next move is to unsubscribe > and re-subscribe. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com As you see, I'm getting this just fine. -Rocky Frisco -- From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 18 01:58:12 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:58:12 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test References: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> <749259.12193.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> There is (or used to be) an upper limit on MGS posts, go above that and they are ignored. I can't at the moment find out what that is, but I seem to remember it is a pretty small 2k or something. I used to have to save the text to a notepad and check the size before posting, and sometimes split it into two. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I can see and hear everything and everybody, including my own posts, except >for one that does not want to go through. It is 6-KB in size, not >excessively long. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Feb 18 02:02:16 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:02:16 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local><69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> <30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> Message-ID: Is that even WD40? One claim further down is that it isn't. I've seen Icelanders (which is probably what these were) do that but they use lighter fluid. ----- Original Message ----- > Here's how the big boys use it... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDPHjo1zRU&NR=1 From shop at justbrits.com Fri Feb 18 03:21:59 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 04:21:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test In-Reply-To: <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> References: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> <749259.12193.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> Message-ID: <4D5E4847.7070400@justbrits.com> << I seem to remember it is a pretty small 2k or something. >> 3, Paul. Ed From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 07:37:00 2011 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:37:00 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Swap Meet Message-ID: What are you vending? You have to get by me at the door before you get in. Charon Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:33:54 -0600 From: Peter Caldwell Subject: [Mgs] Chicagoland British Car Swap Meet To: spridgets ,healeys at autox.team.net, mgs at autox.team.net Message-ID: <201102171433646.SM04720 at TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Preemptive self-serving post. This year I will be vending. February 27 Hope to see some of you. Peter C From ddarby at centurytel.net Fri Feb 18 10:03:14 2011 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:03:14 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local><69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul><30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> Message-ID: <889164BAD2D442E3A2EA9682BCD2B4D8@YOURF3E40984A8> I expect Paul is right. The title says WD-40, but it's hard to see what the feller has in his hand. WD-40 is flammable, but I don't know if it's volatile enough to produce those results. Of course, that question is what started the thread in the first place. At any rate, I don't want to pass on disinformation. BTW, the people in the video had removed the valve core prior to ignition to prevent over inflation. Not a bad idea if you're trying this at home (and I hope you aren't). David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:02 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? Is that even WD40? One claim further down is that it isn't. I've seen Icelanders (which is probably what these were) do that but they use lighter fluid. ----- Original Message ----- > Here's how the big boys use it... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDPHjo1zRU&NR=1 From peter at nosimport.com Fri Feb 18 10:40:42 2011 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:40:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <889164BAD2D442E3A2EA9682BCD2B4D8@YOURF3E40984A8> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> <516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> <69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul> <30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8> <889164BAD2D442E3A2EA9682BCD2B4D8@YOURF3E40984A8> Message-ID: <201102180940277.SM04720@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> I've done this MANY times, all very successful but once. We use starting fluid, and you must take the valve stem out. The unsuccessful time was with old fluid that had lost its propellant. We kind of dribbled it into the tire, and lit it just when the customer drove it to pick up his spare, now fully-engulfed-in-flames tire. They're had to extinguish! Peter C science is your friend == At 11:03 AM 2/18/2011, David F. Darby wrote: >I expect Paul is right. The title says WD-40, but it's hard to see what the >feller has in his hand. WD-40 is flammable, but I don't know if it's >volatile enough to produce those results. Of course, that question is what >started the thread in the first place. At any rate, I don't want to pass on >disinformation. > >BTW, the people in the video had removed the valve core prior to ignition to >prevent over inflation. Not a bad idea if you're trying this at home (and I >hope you aren't). > >David > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Paul Hunt >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:02 AM >To: mgs at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? > >Is that even WD40? One claim further down is that it isn't. I've seen >Icelanders (which is probably what these were) do that but they use lighter >fluid. > >----- Original Message ----- > > Here's how the big boys use it... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDPHjo1zRU&NR=1 >_______________________________________________ From frankk12 at verizon.net Fri Feb 18 10:57:52 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:57:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Correction Message-ID: <244230E12B434A96B7A13746AFCF9127@frankdcczr6l6k> I have to apologize for a glaring error in my post from yesterday regarding TR4 parts. The email address I included was wrong. The correct email for the lady who needs to get rid of the TR4 stuff is janbertwell at me.com and her name is Jan Bertwell. Sorry for any confusion. There is also a car included among the parts. Frank Krajewski From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 18 11:20:16 2011 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:20:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <201102180940277.SM04720@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local><69A841B1D47542F08547CA27B3C5B45D@paul><30AA2BC606944F2197F16CD39E2AFE3C@YOURF3E40984A8><889164BAD2D442E3A2EA9682BCD2B4D8@YOURF3E40984A8> <201102180940277.SM04720@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: I love anything that blows up. You should see how I cook in the microwave. My wife is not as appreciative of that. Women are funny creatures. LAD -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:40 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? I've done this MANY times, all very successful but once. We use starting fluid, and you must take the valve stem out. The unsuccessful time was with old fluid that had lost its propellant. We kind of dribbled it into the tire, and lit it just when the customer drove it to pick up his spare, now fully-engulfed-in-flames tire. They're had to extinguish! Peter C science is your friend == From barneymg at mgaguru.com Fri Feb 18 14:28:46 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:28:46 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Prices for MGAs Message-ID: <353053.23303.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Apparently there is some un-stated limit on message size for this forum. Even after I cut my note in half the server would not pass a 2.3-kb note in the body of an Email message. I may also have been unsubscribed for a few hours. Now I have a strange feeling that when (if) this goes through there may be seven more messages that were held in a queue somewhere. For those so inclined, you can find my 6-kb response here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/bye105.htm Barney Gaylord 1058 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 11:14 AM 2/16/2011 -0600, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >> Is it me, or are the prices for MGAs climbing significantly. If so, why (other than that they are great cars)? From barneymg at mgaguru.com Fri Feb 18 16:05:10 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:05:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test In-Reply-To: <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> References: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> <749259.12193.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> Message-ID: <766062.41146.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea! Cheer! My latest message got through. It wasn't the 6-KB thing though. I finally posted that on a web page, and a link to it. I still don't kwow what the size limit is for messages here. Barney At 08:58 AM 2/18/2011 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote: >There is (or used to be) an upper limit on MGS posts, go above that >and they are ignored. I can't at the moment find out what that is, >but I seem to remember it is a pretty small 2k or something. .... >----- Original Message ----- >>I can see and hear everything and everybody, including my own >>posts, except for one that does not want to go through. It is 6-KB >>in size, not excessively long. From shop at justbrits.com Fri Feb 18 19:09:16 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's test In-Reply-To: <766062.41146.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4D5DA47C.9000500@wi.net> <749259.12193.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9B1724AD309E4CC995D1B08ED2A0D196@paul> <766062.41146.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D5F264C.5090001@justbrits.com> << I still don't kwow what the size limit is for messages here. >> LAST NITE at 7:02PM CST, I SAID in a PM: << It is 6-KB in size, >> THREE [3] max as I understand it, Barney. Trust me, it IS correct, Barney !! Ed From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 22:13:05 2011 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Barney's Price Analysis Message-ID: Nice job Barney. Jack Even the price on my much maligned C is going up. J From 1971mgb at cox.net Sat Feb 19 23:46:15 2011 From: 1971mgb at cox.net (1971mgb at cox.net) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 1:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110220014615.RYGEG.140512.imail@eastrmwml39> does anyone have a source for white wall tires for a 71 "B", I tried Coker no joy. Thanks in advance From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 07:23:48 2011 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 06:23:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B In-Reply-To: <20110220014615.RYGEG.140512.imail@eastrmwml39> Message-ID: <269121.49626.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 2/19/11, 1971mgb at cox.net <1971mgb at cox.net> wrote: > does anyone have a source for white > wall tires for a 71 "B", I tried Coker no joy. Are you talking about the kind of narrow-whitewall tires that were common from the 60s to through the 80s? Are they not available at a regular tire store? From barrie at look.ca Sun Feb 20 07:20:22 2011 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B In-Reply-To: <20110220014615.RYGEG.140512.imail@eastrmwml39> References: <20110220014615.RYGEG.140512.imail@eastrmwml39> Message-ID: White walls?? hmmmmm! At 01:46 AM 2/20/2011, 1971mgb at cox.net wrote: >does anyone have a source for white wall tires for a 71 "B", I tried >Coker no joy. >Thanks in advance >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie at look.ca Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From nsippel at mindspring.com Sun Feb 20 17:29:35 2011 From: nsippel at mindspring.com (Norm) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:29:35 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B Message-ID: <003f01cbd15e$6aded2f0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Barrie Robinson says, "White walls?? hmmmmm!" If this Digest were like the Alfa 750-101 Digest I could post a photo of my '65 B that came with narrow white walls. Not the real skinny ones that were set off of the rim like "Red Line" tire's stripes. But, were perhaps 1-1/2" wide. Were they factory or port-installed? No idea. But, they were on the car when delivered. Norm Sippel From leylandauto at yahoo.com Sun Feb 20 17:58:21 2011 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B In-Reply-To: <003f01cbd15e$6aded2f0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <458314.25262.qm@web113402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My was delivered with whitewalls. It was almost standard back then. Carl --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Norm wrote: From: Norm Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B To: "MG Digest" Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 7:29 PM Barrie Robinson says, "White walls?? hmmmmm!" If this Digest were like the Alfa 750-101 Digest I could post a photo of my '65 B that came with narrow white walls. Not the real skinny ones that were set off of the rim like "Red Line" tire's stripes. But, were perhaps 1-1/2" wide. Were they factory or port-installed? No idea. But, they were on the car when delivered. Norm Sippel _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/leylandauto at yahoo.com From pboldtrix at juno.com Sun Feb 20 19:40:44 2011 From: pboldtrix at juno.com (Phil Bacon) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:40:44 GMT Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B Message-ID: <20110220.214044.6975.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Me too, my 1964 MGB came with whitewalls when I bought it new way back when. 

Phil Bacon 67 MGBGT

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Carl French <leylandauto at yahoo.com>
To: MG Digest <mgs at autox.team.net>, nsippel at mindspring.com
Subject: Re: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:58:21 -0800 (PST)

My was delivered with whitewalls. It was almost standard back then.
Carl

--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Norm <nsippel at mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Norm <nsippel at mindspring.com>
Subject: [Mgs]  white wall tires for a B
To: "MG Digest" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 7:29 PM

Barrie Robinson says, "White walls?? hmmmmm!"

If this Digest were like the Alfa 750-101 Digest I could post a photo of my
'65 B that came with narrow white walls.  Not the real skinny ones that were
set off of the rim like "Red Line" tire's stripes.  But, were perhaps 1-1/2"
wide.  Were they factory or port-installed?  No idea.  But, they were on the
car when delivered.

Norm Sippel
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____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d61d0d3ac747422bc8st05vuc From pboldtrix at juno.com Sun Feb 20 19:40:57 2011 From: pboldtrix at juno.com (Phil Bacon) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:40:57 GMT Subject: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B Message-ID: <20110220.214057.6975.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Me too, my 1964 MGB came with whitewalls when I bought it new way back when. 

Phil Bacon 67 MGBGT

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Carl French <leylandauto at yahoo.com>
To: MG Digest <mgs at autox.team.net>, nsippel at mindspring.com
Subject: Re: [Mgs] white wall tires for a B
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:58:21 -0800 (PST)

My was delivered with whitewalls. It was almost standard back then.
Carl

--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Norm <nsippel at mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Norm <nsippel at mindspring.com>
Subject: [Mgs]  white wall tires for a B
To: "MG Digest" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 7:29 PM

Barrie Robinson says, "White walls?? hmmmmm!"

If this Digest were like the Alfa 750-101 Digest I could post a photo of my
'65 B that came with narrow white walls.  Not the real skinny ones that were
set off of the rim like "Red Line" tire's stripes.  But, were perhaps 1-1/2"
wide.  Were they factory or port-installed?  No idea.  But, they were on the
car when delivered.

Norm Sippel
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____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d61d1104a8c64a189fst02vuc From mike at duvallvideo.com Sun Feb 20 23:29:10 2011 From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:29:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crank shims for MGB Message-ID: <64B642D3-072F-4731-A46F-F539D7F04C67@duvallvideo.com> I bought the expensive Payen gasket set for my B rebuild. Unfortunately I discovered the thickness is substantially greater than the original and that moves the front plate away from the block which shifts the position of the cam. Checking my sprocket alignment shows I need .020 or so of shim to bring the crank sprocket into alignment. Moss and British Victoria both show shims but doesn't say how thick they are. Anybody know if Napa sells something that would work or dealt with this before? From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Feb 21 00:46:12 2011 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:46:12 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crank shims for MGB In-Reply-To: <64B642D3-072F-4731-A46F-F539D7F04C67@duvallvideo.com> References: <64B642D3-072F-4731-A46F-F539D7F04C67@duvallvideo.com> Message-ID: <368822.48175.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Moss part number 460-440 is .006" thick. It's in the printed catalog (so far), but thickness spec is not on their web site. At 12:29 AM 2/21/2011 -0600, Duvall Video Productions wrote: >I bought the expensive Payen gasket set for my B rebuild. Unfortunately I >discovered the thickness is substantially greater than the original and that >moves the front plate away from the block which shifts the position of the >cam. Checking my sprocket alignment shows I need .020 or so of shim to bring >the crank sprocket into alignment. > >Moss and British Victoria both show shims but doesn't say how thick they are. >Anybody know if Napa sells something that would work or dealt with this >before? From frankk12 at verizon.net Tue Feb 22 11:58:15 2011 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:58:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? Message-ID: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> What is the wisdom of the group when it comes to the cars (and motorcycle) that are stored for the winter. I have my 64 MGB and 80 MGBLE, 58 MGA, Triumph Bonneville byke, and 91 Miata (sorry) stored in my shop under car covers and all hooked up to Battery Tenders. They have all received the fuel saver and isopropyl gas anti freeze treatments. Additionally they are surrounded by moth balls, De-Con, and dryer sheets. I was wondering about the need to fire them all up and let them run until warm to dispel any moisture and keep everythingh well lubed in the motors. Is this reasonable or should I leave well enough alone? Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue Feb 22 12:07:46 2011 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:07:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? In-Reply-To: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> References: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: <357819.12912.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I usually do it and roll the car back and forth a foot or so*, so that it's not resting on the same spot on the tires all winter. Couldn't do that this year, though, as I have a flat tire and haven't gotten around to changing it! *I.e., start it in December and roll it forward, then start it in January and roll it back.... Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: "frankk12 at verizon.net" To: MG List Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 1:58:15 PM Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? What is the wisdom of the group when it comes to the cars (and motorcycle) that are stored for the winter. I have my 64 MGB and 80 MGBLE, 58 MGA, Triumph Bonneville byke, and 91 Miata (sorry) stored in my shop under car covers and all hooked up to Battery Tenders. They have all received the fuel saver and isopropyl gas anti freeze treatments. Additionally they are surrounded by moth balls, De-Con, and dryer sheets. I was wondering about the need to fire them all up and let them run until warm to dispel any moisture and keep everythingh well lubed in the motors. Is this reasonable or should I leave well enough alone? Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase at yahoo.com From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 22 12:14:12 2011 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:14:12 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? In-Reply-To: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: Unless you are actually going to take them out on the street and drive them for at least 30 minutes, I wouldn't start them at all. Cold startups are bad, hot/cold cycling causes condensation. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 2/22/11 10:58 AM, frankk12 at verizon.net at frankk12 at verizon.net wrote: > What is the wisdom of the group when it comes to the cars (and motorcycle) > that are stored for the winter. I have my 64 MGB and 80 MGBLE, 58 MGA, Triumph > Bonneville byke, and 91 Miata (sorry) stored in my shop under car covers and > all hooked up to Battery Tenders. They have all received the fuel saver and > isopropyl gas anti freeze treatments. Additionally they are surrounded by moth > balls, De-Con, and dryer sheets. I was wondering about the need to fire them > all up and let them run until warm to dispel any moisture and keep everythingh > well lubed in the motors. Is this reasonable or should I leave well enough > alone? > Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski From ptrmgb at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 12:42:38 2011 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:42:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? In-Reply-To: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> References: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: <2292EA0F-F547-4013-ADA8-D1C54AC1F149@gmail.com> Leave well enough alone. Mine is stored at a friends. The battery is in place, disconnected (quick disconnect). It has moth balls and a plug in the tail pipe (bright red) to keep critters from crawling up in there. And a car cover over it. It got a bath shortly before storage. On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:58 PM, wrote: > What is the wisdom of the group when it comes to the cars (and motorcycle) > that are stored for the winter. I have my 64 MGB and 80 MGBLE, 58 MGA, Triumph > Bonneville byke, and 91 Miata (sorry) stored in my shop under car covers and > all hooked up to Battery Tenders. They have all received the fuel saver and > isopropyl gas anti freeze treatments. Additionally they are surrounded by moth > balls, De-Con, and dryer sheets. I was wondering about the need to fire them > all up and let them run until warm to dispel any moisture and keep everythingh > well lubed in the motors. Is this reasonable or should I leave well enough > alone? > Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb at gmail.com From shop at justbrits.com Wed Feb 23 01:15:02 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:15:02 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] O.T. - F.S. Message-ID: <4D64C206.1060409@justbrits.com> I have one HP 27 Black InkJet cartridge For Sale. Prices around here as of 1:00 AM CST is $19.99. I'll take $ 9.00 + USPS. Ed From ptrmgb at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 01:29:26 2011 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:29:26 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] O.T. - F.S. In-Reply-To: <4D64C206.1060409@justbrits.com> References: <4D64C206.1060409@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <32EBF990-4D1A-4CDB-B005-F6BE5FB5396F@gmail.com> At 2 in the morning? Really, Ed? I don't use that cartridge. On Feb 23, 2011, at 2:15 AM, Shop at Just Brits wrote: > I have one HP 27 Black InkJet cartridge For Sale. > > Prices around here as of 1:00 AM CST is $19.99. > > I'll take $ 9.00 + USPS. > > Ed > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MG-MGB/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > MG-MGB-digest at yahoogroups.com > MG-MGB-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > MG-MGB-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Feb 23 01:54:08 2011 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:54:08 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] To start or not to start? References: <830BD86824CF4967BC44B0F05EAF4ACA@frankdcczr6l6k> <357819.12912.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Definitely! Didn't do that for about three months once and first time out it was like a clown car with eccentric wheels. 40 miles or so resolved that though. I keep mine ready for driving if the road conditions are suitable, but if I can't I run them for about 20 mins per month at a fast idle (i.e. throttle wedged open a bit, *not* with the choke!). It all depends on when you change your oil though - in the spring like me, or if you change it in the autumn then there is little point in contaminating the oil once you have circulated it. Then you are into plugs out, oil in the bores, and maybe blocks under the suspension to take the weight off the tyres (keep the air in them) so you don't even have to roll them. Unless you are really anal and change it autumn and spring. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I usually do it and roll the car back and forth a foot or so*, so that it's >not > resting on the same > spot on the tires all winter. From ccrobins at ktc.com Wed Feb 23 10:14:51 2011 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net> <4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com> <516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4D65408B.7000803@ktc.com> Good gravy, what an idiot. CR On 2/16/2011 12:17 PM, Dave wrote: > ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffHIECgQpk > > From: Charley& Peggy Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:35 AM > To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? > > It's easy to find out if WD-40 is flammable. Get a can of it and spray > it above a burning match. WHOOF or not. :-) > > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins at ktc.com From ddarby at centurytel.net Wed Feb 23 10:23:14 2011 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:23:14 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] dashpots or ?? In-Reply-To: <4D65408B.7000803@ktc.com> References: <4D588AA4.7030103@earthlink.net><4D5C0AD3.4020003@ktc.com><516EDC567D9D43009E9D531010B151AA@ranteer.local> <4D65408B.7000803@ktc.com> Message-ID: Gee, I guess WD-40 is flammable after all. In this case the 40 designates IQ. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [SPAM] Re: dashpots or ?? Good gravy, what an idiot. CR On 2/16/2011 12:17 PM, Dave wrote: > ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffHIECgQpk From jevans at mydb3.com Thu Feb 24 10:07:19 2011 From: jevans at mydb3.com (jevans at mydb3.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:07:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mgs] 15th Annual all British Car Swap Meet & Auto Jumble Message-ID: <1413.108.64.36.238.1298567239.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> A quick follow up to earlier messages...looks like we will open the doors Sunday morning February 27 to a sold out house with over 110 indoor vendor spaces taken...anyone planning to just show up & hope for a spot should call me for a rundown on the situation...doors open at 8 AM & it's best to come in the AM if you can...as usual, there will be a number of cars for sale in the parking lot...make sure you enter the correct building as the Toy & Model Car show will be running the same day on the premises in a separate building so look for the buildings with British flags out front...vendor selection is outstanding - parts,clubs,restoration shops & supplies, tools, regalia & more...hope all you listers in the midwest can join us...anyone posting to other lists is encouraged to forward this...Chicago has had a rough winter but at this time previous major snowfalls are all melted & gone...current forecast is fuzzy - there may be some light snow in this area before Sunday but it shouldn't be enough to restrict travel on local roads...forecast for Sunday is clear and mid-30's...Swap Meet location is at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in Wheaton IL...one day only from 8 AM to 3 PM. All those attending should ignore any signs regarding "road construction" and "detour" at Manchester Rd & County Farm Rd...these relate to a RR crossing about 1 mile east of the fairgrounds...way beyond the entry gates and of no consequence to the Swap Meet. Any questions - email me off list or call me at 630-858-8192 or see the website at http://www.britishcarswap.info Mapquest to 2015 West Manchester Road, Wheaton Illinois 60187 Hope to see you there! FOR THE CHICAGOLAND MG CLUB Jim Evans From peter at nosimport.com Thu Feb 24 10:44:06 2011 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:44:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] 15th Annual all British Car Swap Meet & Auto Jumble In-Reply-To: <1413.108.64.36.238.1298567239.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> References: <1413.108.64.36.238.1298567239.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com> Message-ID: <201102240944142.SM04508@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Shockingly enough, I'll be there! In the annex, I think. First year as a non-spectator. Peter C ------ At 11:07 AM 2/24/2011, jevans at mydb3.com wrote: >A quick follow up to earlier messages...looks like we will open the doors >Sunday morning February 27 to a sold out house with over 110 indoor >vendor spaces taken...anyone planning to just show up & hope for a spot >should call me for a rundown on the situation...doors open at 8 AM & it's >best to come in the AM if you can...as usual, there will be a number of >cars for sale in the parking lot...make sure you enter the correct >building as the Toy & Model Car show will be running the same day on the >premises in a separate building so look for the buildings with British >flags out front...vendor selection is outstanding - >parts,clubs,restoration shops & supplies, tools, regalia & more...hope all >you listers in the midwest can join us...anyone posting to other lists is >encouraged to forward >this...Chicago has had a rough winter but at this time previous major >snowfalls are all melted & gone...current forecast is fuzzy - there may be >some light snow in this area before Sunday but it shouldn't be enough to >restrict travel on local roads...forecast for Sunday is clear and >mid-30's...Swap Meet location is at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in >Wheaton IL...one day only from 8 AM to 3 PM. > >All those attending should ignore any signs regarding "road construction" >and "detour" at Manchester Rd & County Farm Rd...these relate to a RR >crossing about 1 mile east of the fairgrounds...way beyond the entry gates >and of no consequence to the Swap Meet. > >Any questions - email me off list or call me at 630-858-8192 or see the >website at http://www.britishcarswap.info > >Mapquest to 2015 West Manchester Road, Wheaton Illinois 60187 > >Hope to see you there! > >FOR THE CHICAGOLAND MG CLUB >Jim Evans From shop at justbrits.com Sat Feb 26 00:33:28 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:33:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: failure notice] Message-ID: <4D68ACC8.7000802@justbrits.com> Sorry to bomb List, but Hans WHAT GIVES ???????????? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: failure notice Date: 26 Feb 2011 03:06:24 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON at cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com To: ed at justbrits.com Hi. This is the qmail-send program at cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : 216.182.1.23 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 No such user (h.duinhoven) -ERR h.duinhoven at planet.net not present or password incorrect Giving up on 216.182.1.23. From otis15 at aol.com Sun Feb 27 20:14:35 2011 From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:14:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mgs] test ignore Message-ID: <8CDA50CC2BBB49E-1BB0-2E228@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> test From johnsfolly at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 15:29:18 2011 From: johnsfolly at gmail.com (JohnD) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:29:18 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Rallying an MG TD Message-ID: Although I'm a long-time Midget and MGB owner and vintage racer, I've decided to prepare my '53 MG TD to run the Rallye to Reno. This will go from the east coast to the 2011 Lake Tahoe MG International next June. Since the car has been neglected for 30 years and seems to need so much attention, friends began to question my sanity. So, I figured if it is really so "out there," I could use it as a way to increase awareness of the issues related to pediatric cancer and also raise some donations to CURE Childhood Cancer, a 4-star-rated charity dedicated to cutting edge research, training and support of young patients and their families. Some of you guys may know that I was diagnosed with cancer of the larynx in 1997 (and went into surgery the day after I rolled my Midget at GingerMan Raceway). Over the years of going to the University of Michigan Cancer Center, it's the sight of the youngsters coming in for treatments that has stayed with me. I had 50 years of fun. Some of them were never going to get off of the grid. Work is underway and I've posted the occassional blog entry as the date gets closer. Ride along at MGDrive for CURE: http://www.kidsCURE.blogspot.com See you in Reno...and Tahoe...and San Francisco...and Portland...wherever else I have to go to get back to Michigan! -John Deikis ________________________ JOHNSFOLLY MOTORSPORTS www.johnsfolly.webs.com *Racing in the Past Lane!*