From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov  1 02:03:51 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:03:51 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] car jack question
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07617601@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<462083.4303.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0CFC5E8F88CD4B7FB40D9250B3A8D766@paul>

Be warned!  These scissors jacks may not have a high enough lift to get 
under something with a flat tyre, as well as lift it high enough to get the 
wheel off and another on - BT, DT!  I was pondering using the spare as a 
temporary support while I lowered the jack and used it in another position 
to get more lift when another MGB happened to go past the end of the road 
and we used his jack instead.  I now carry a small hydraulic 'bottle' jack 
as well as the scissors.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> For a small car like an LBC a diamond jack is the cat's meow for light 
> weight carry in the boot convenience, and cheap too.  Some people call it 
> a scissors jack, but no scissors links, simpler and lighter.  It also 
> closes very low to get under a car with a flat tire. 

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Nov  1 07:43:56 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 09:43:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] car jack question
In-Reply-To: <0CFC5E8F88CD4B7FB40D9250B3A8D766@paul>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07617601@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<462083.4303.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<0CFC5E8F88CD4B7FB40D9250B3A8D766@paul>
Message-ID: <4CCED22C.9020405@justbrits.com>

  << These scissors jacks may not have a high 
enough lift to get under something
with a flat tyre, as well as lift it high enough 
to get the wheel off and another
on - BT, DT! >>

That is why I specified the Honda jack, Paul [ 
it/they  DO work]  !!!!!

Ed

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Mon Nov  1 18:12:11 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] car jack question
Message-ID: <4CCF656B.8010706@comcast.net>

I've got a scissors jack in the boot now that compresses and expands 
enough to change a flat. I bought it at Pep Boys. Don't recall the name, 
but it has a handle extension long enough to be able to shove it under 
the rear axle from the rear of the car. Very helpful. Again I don't 
recall the name, but I do know it works in the rain. Before I found that 
I used a pint-sized floor jack I probably got at AutoZone 20 years ago. 
It's a little 1 ton about 14 to 16 inches long and is small enough to 
barely fit in a factory toolbag and get covered in jute. I still use it 
on occasion to lift the Jag far enough to get the real floor jack under 
it. It also comes in quite handy as a front spring compressor (as long 
as the engine is still in the bay or you have two friends handy).

Congrats on getting the new roof on the hose. I've found that Lowe's is 
a good source for hoses. Fairly inexpensive, too. *<;^)

Glenn


> Subject: [Mgs] car jack question
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID:
> 	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07617601 at EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I finally got around to getting the roof of my hose repaired from
> hail/tornado damages from a few months back. What does this have to do
> with MGs? When it comes to nails, my cars are like magnets and sure
> enough, my BGT got a flat tire after I drove it home Friday evening,
> noticing it yesterday morning when I was taking it for another drive.
> Sure enough, there is a roofing nail embedded in the tire.
>
>
>
> The reason for my email is because changing the tire was somewhat of a
> pain due to the low quality tools I was using, particularly the old
> scissors jack needed for the low clearance. So my question is on what
> might be a good jack to purchase? Something readily available. Horrible
> Freight advertised a hydraulic scissors jack a few years ago but when I
> went to buy one, they said it was discontinued and no longer available.
>
>
>
> David Councill
>

-- 
"Better to have a few cockeyed mutts running
the dog pound than Michael Vick."

			- PJ O'Rourke

Glenn Schnittke

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From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Mon Nov  1 18:49:59 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: An Idea just came to me on this election eve.
Message-ID: <4CCF6E47.8050408@comcast.net>

With all the voter fraud stories floating around the country, I'd like
to make a suggestion. And there really is a car connection.

A. We go back to paper ballots. I don't need to know who won tonight - I 
need to know who really won. I can't trust electronic voting of any kind 
to be totally safe, secure, anonymous and non-fraudable.

2. The Iraqis had a good idea with the purple dye thing, but I
understand that the second time around some people had discovered a way
to get the dye off and go back in for a second round of voting.

III. Combine paper ballots and POR-15!!! NOTHING gets POR-15 off your
skin once it has even vaguely dried. Not even their own solvent. It's a
product made proudly here in the U.S. And if someone did come up with a
way to get that &^%Y off after it dried they'd be doing the car
restoration industry a big favor! And you can get it in any engine color!

Glenn


-- 
"Better to have a few cockeyed mutts running
the dog pound than Michael Vick."

			- PJ O'Rourke

Glenn Schnittke

-----------------------
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Home - 615-837-5883
Cell - 615-319-5534

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 16:34:46 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:34:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List of Ethanol Free Gas Stations
Message-ID: <9F49DC0C3ABF42338ECB07CD99D72EF5@HomePC>

Many of us have complained about ethanol in our gas.  Here is a site that
lists ethanol-free gas stations around the U.S.

http://pure-gas.org/

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Nov  2 16:51:40 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:51:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... Re: List of Ethanol Free Gas
 Stations
In-Reply-To: <F401BD28-1CB9-4BBD-897F-3B6322BF1C22@gerardsgarage.com>
References: <9F49DC0C3ABF42338ECB07CD99D72EF5@HomePC>
	<F401BD28-1CB9-4BBD-897F-3B6322BF1C22@gerardsgarage.com>
Message-ID: <4CD0A40C.8060503@justbrits.com>

  <<... can't seem to find California on that 
list??? >>

DUH RD, look in the "K"s [Kalif....] !!!!

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 16:58:59 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Austin_Counties_Cars_News] Re: List of Ethanol Free Gas
 Stations
In-Reply-To: <F401BD28-1CB9-4BBD-897F-3B6322BF1C22@gerardsgarage.com>
References: <9F49DC0C3ABF42338ECB07CD99D72EF5@HomePC>
	<F401BD28-1CB9-4BBD-897F-3B6322BF1C22@gerardsgarage.com>
Message-ID: <D242F465288846989557AA8D3EB8E47D@HomePC>

Hey, Gerard.  Does California maybe have a law requiring ethanol in all of
your gas?


Larry



From: Gerard
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:42 PM
To: Austin_Counties_Cars_News at yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bugeye Yahoo Group ; MG List ; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com ; Spridgets List
Subject: [Austin_Counties_Cars_News] Re: List of Ethanol Free Gas Stations



... can't seem to find California on that list???... D'oh!

~g~


On Nov 2, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:



  Many of us have complained about ethanol in our gas.  Here is a site that
lists ethanol-free gas stations around the U.S.

  http://pure-gas.org/






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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 17:05:51 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] List of Ethanol Free Gas Stations
In-Reply-To: <9F49DC0C3ABF42338ECB07CD99D72EF5@HomePC>
Message-ID: <C8F5F56F.2D292%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

It can't hurt that much. It's been mandatory in CA for years, and we
probably have more old cars on the road than anywhere.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 11/2/10 4:34 PM, Larry Daniels at ladaniels at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Many of us have complained about ethanol in our gas.  Here is a site that
> lists ethanol-free gas stations around the U.S.
> 
> http://pure-gas.org/

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 17:18:43 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:18:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>

I love Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car. I enjoy every issue. Unfortunately,
the sometimes seem as accurate of the History Channel. If you have seen the
History Channel's  hour on the Austin Healey you know what I mean.

I was tempted to write them before when they had a suggestion for rewiring
lights with relays. The circuit made no sense.

In this issue there are two items that they seem to have no clue about. One
is in the picture of a Morgan dash showing all the insturments plus two
jacks and they claim they don't know what purpose the jacks serve. The
picture is on page 44 of the December issue. The jacks are  colored red and
black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take off
like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember
seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I
correct?

The second is on page 88 where they identify the Sunbeam used in *To Catch A
Thief* as an Alpine. I remember a program on PBS the History Detectives in
which a man thought his Sunbeam *Talbot* was the car used in the movie.
After some searching they cam up with the actual production records which
listed the VIN of the car that was used. It wasn't his. Do I remember
correctly?

Yours for more accuracy in magazines.

Jack

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 17:44:05 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:44:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Austin_Counties_Cars_News] Re: List of Ethanol Free Gas
 Stations
In-Reply-To: <D242F465288846989557AA8D3EB8E47D@HomePC>
References: <9F49DC0C3ABF42338ECB07CD99D72EF5@HomePC>
	<F401BD28-1CB9-4BBD-897F-3B6322BF1C22@gerardsgarage.com>
	<D242F465288846989557AA8D3EB8E47D@HomePC>
Message-ID: <4CD0B055.1070205@sbcglobal.net>

Very possible.  I checked Missouri as  Missouri has such a law for 
regular gas.  There are some loopholes and premium is not included.  I 
notice most of the stations listed for Missouri are for premium.  The 
few listed for regular are primarily marinas.

BTW, one of the worst features of the Missouri law for out-of-state 
travelers is that there is no requirement that pumps be labeled as to 
alcohol content.

Charles Hill

   On 11/2/2010 6:58 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:
> Hey, Gerard.  Does California maybe have a law requiring ethanol in all of
> your gas?
>
>
> Larry

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 17:55:28 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:55:28 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8F60110.2D29B%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I don't know about the first item, but the second is correct -- it was a
Sunbeam Alpine. This early Alpine was a much more traditional and less
sporty than the later version that Carroll Shelby turned into a Tiger.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 11/2/10 5:18 PM, Jack Feldman at qualitas.jack at gmail.com wrote:

> I love Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car. I enjoy every issue. Unfortunately,
> the sometimes seem as accurate of the History Channel. If you have seen the
> History Channel's  hour on the Austin Healey you know what I mean.
> 
> I was tempted to write them before when they had a suggestion for rewiring
> lights with relays. The circuit made no sense.
> 
> In this issue there are two items that they seem to have no clue about. One
> is in the picture of a Morgan dash showing all the insturments plus two
> jacks and they claim they don't know what purpose the jacks serve. The
> picture is on page 44 of the December issue. The jacks are  colored red and
> black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take off
> like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember
> seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I
> correct?
> 
> The second is on page 88 where they identify the Sunbeam used in *To Catch A
> Thief* as an Alpine. I remember a program on PBS the History Detectives in
> which a man thought his Sunbeam *Talbot* was the car used in the movie.
> After some searching they cam up with the actual production records which
> listed the VIN of the car that was used. It wasn't his. Do I remember
> correctly?
> 
> Yours for more accuracy in magazines.
> 
> Jack
> _______________________________________________

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  2 18:44:03 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:44:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W549C925C87F6E615C02CBAB74A0@phx.gbl>

Of course you should write to them. As a newspaper editor, I welcome
corrections, and thank our readers for pointing out any errors.
I know some of the Hemmings associate editors (Hemmings HQ is just a few miles
from my house) and they're all good guys, real car enthusiasts.  Nobody can
know everything, but I think the expertise of their staff is pretty diverse -
remember, HSEC is only one of several high-quality publications they put out
each month.


Mike Eldred
Wilmington, VT

> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:18:43 -0500
> From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com
> To: healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
>
> I love Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car. I enjoy every issue. Unfortunately,
> the sometimes seem as accurate of the History Channel. If you have seen the
> History Channel's hour on the Austin Healey you know what I mean.
>
> I was tempted to write them before when they had a suggestion for rewiring
> lights with relays. The circuit made no sense.
>
> In this issue there are two items that they seem to have no clue about. One
> is in the picture of a Morgan dash showing all the insturments plus two
> jacks and they claim they don't know what purpose the jacks serve. The
> picture is on page 44 of the December issue. The jacks are colored red and
> black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take off
> like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember
> seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I
> correct?
>
> The second is on page 88 where they identify the Sunbeam used in *To Catch
A
> Thief* as an Alpine. I remember a program on PBS the History Detectives in
> which a man thought his Sunbeam *Talbot* was the car used in the movie.
> After some searching they cam up with the actual production records which
> listed the VIN of the car that was used. It wasn't his. Do I remember
> correctly?
>
> Yours for more accuracy in magazines.
>
> Jack
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From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  2 18:55:54 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CD0C12A.6000606@sbcglobal.net>

I can't comment on the other items as I am not familiar with them.  You 
are correct on the jacks on the Morgan dash.  They more correctly known 
as 'inspection sockets.'  They are or were common on British cars.  
There were definitely trouble lights.  My Morgan originally came with a 
demister that plugged in these sockets.  Undoubtedly there were other 
accessories.  Surely there must have been some sort of tea making 
accessory (grin).

Charles Hill

On 11/2/2010 7:18 PM, Jack Feldman wrote:
> I love Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car. I enjoy every issue. Unfortunately,
> the sometimes seem as accurate of the History Channel. If you have seen the
> History Channel's  hour on the Austin Healey you know what I mean.
>
> I was tempted to write them before when they had a suggestion for rewiring
> lights with relays. The circuit made no sense.
>
> In this issue there are two items that they seem to have no clue about. One
> is in the picture of a Morgan dash showing all the insturments plus two
> jacks and they claim they don't know what purpose the jacks serve. The
> picture is on page 44 of the December issue. The jacks are  colored red and
> black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take off
> like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember
> seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I
> correct?
>
> The second is on page 88 where they identify the Sunbeam used in *To Catch A
> Thief* as an Alpine. I remember a program on PBS the History Detectives in
> which a man thought his Sunbeam *Talbot* was the car used in the movie.
> After some searching they cam up with the actual production records which
> listed the VIN of the car that was used. It wasn't his. Do I remember
> correctly?
>
> Yours for more accuracy in magazines.
>
> Jack

From wilkmanracing at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 21:58:56 2010
From: wilkmanracing at aol.com (wilkmanracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] [Healeys] Should I Tell Them?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD492AF437DB7C-D6C-5C34@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com>

 I, too, am often flabbergasted by Sports & Exotic's cluelessness.  It is
obvious that the staffers there are not well versed on foreign cars.

Bill Wilkman








-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Feldman <qualitas.jack at gmail.com>
To: healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 5:18 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Should I Tell Them?


I love Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car. I enjoy every issue. Unfortunately,

the sometimes seem as accurate of the History Channel. If you have seen the

History Channel's  hour on the Austin Healey you know what I mean.



I was tempted to write them before when they had a suggestion for rewiring

lights with relays. The circuit made no sense.



In this issue there are two items that they seem to have no clue about. One

is in the picture of a Morgan dash showing all the insturments plus two

jacks and they claim they don't know what purpose the jacks serve. The

picture is on page 44 of the December issue. The jacks are  colored red and

black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take off

like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember

seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I

correct?



The second is on page 88 where they identify the Sunbeam used in *To Catch A

Thief* as an Alpine. I remember a program on PBS the History Detectives in

which a man thought his Sunbeam *Talbot* was the car used in the movie.

After some searching they cam up with the actual production records which

listed the VIN of the car that was used. It wasn't his. Do I remember

correctly?



Yours for more accuracy in magazines.



Jack

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Nov  3 01:44:09 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:44:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Should I Tell Them?
References: <AANLkTinhJid7Rrs2i1qC7Gocmf2=Eb4CJaJUc_yxdM3T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <181451E3B1704865B2D76ACE9E98114F@paul>

Many square-rigger MGs had them as well.  They were just a 12v supply that 
could be used to power anything you wanted, as you say like cigar lighter 
sockets are now.  My Dad used them for a little parking light that clipped 
onto the top of the wind-down window, with a white lens to the front and a 
red to the rear.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... The jacks are  colored red and
> black. I always thought those jacks on the older cars were a power take 
> off
> like the cigarette lighter jacks we use in modern cars. I also remember
> seeing an ancient trouble light with plugs to fit jacks like that. Am I
> correct?

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 08:04:25 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
Message-ID: <AANLkTimW3jU8cXQmqUgrcHY=EzRNsC4vyk4eH1P0p_3H@mail.gmail.com>

I checked this with the folks on the MG and Healey lists.

1. On page 43 your author wonders what the red and black jacks are for. They
are power take-offs much like the way we use cigarette lighter sockets in
modern cars. They were on numerous cars back them, and folks on the list
confirmed that "trouble" lights had plugs to fit. One person wrote  "My Dad
used them for a little parking light that clipped onto the top of the
wind-down window, with a white lens to the front and a red to the rear."

The second item is a bit confusing. On page 88 You identify the car used in
the move* To Catch A Thief* as a Sunbeam Alpine. The PBS program "History
Detectives", had a letter from an owner of a Sunbeam Talbot asked if it was
the car in *To Catch a Thief*. . The Detectives traced down the VIN in the
movie production records  and it was not the gentleman's car. There was no
mention of confusion in the car's name.. Here is a link furnished by Marin
James that explains that confusion.  http://wmspear.com/bill/STA//.

I started my query to to the lists by saying I love your magazine, but
unfortunately this isn't the first time I questioned something in the
magazine. I may be more vocal in the future.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Jack Feldman
1972 MGBGT
1969 MGC
1960 Austin Healey BT7

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 08:07:24 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] I Did Tell Them
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAYQ=+h1NG_Z7F4M5cmBEryq0qTjVoWSODw3kn@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the responses. I copied the lists in my email to the editor. I am
always surprised that folks don't know more about their cars. Didn't the
owner of the Morgan ever wonder what they were for and query the Morgan
community? I think those trouble lights are listed as accessories in
manuals.

Anyway, thanks to the great people of the lists..

Jack

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 09:34:55 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hemmings Editor's Reply
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPALHGPxBQT+gpfUwRGFzUR6AR6OFj_nvYfWLz@mail.gmail.com>

This is in part what he said.

"You're right, of course, about the red and black ports on the dashboard --
boy, have we gotten a lot of mail about that! The fault is mine, because I
knew what they were for, but didn't catch that sentence on the proof. We
owe thanks to all of the helpful readers who've taken the time to send us
photos of the trouble light and the windshield defroster that use those
ports."

He also was aware the the Sunbeam confusion.

Jack

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  3 09:26:24 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:26:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimW3jU8cXQmqUgrcHY=EzRNsC4vyk4eH1P0p_3H@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8F6DB40.2D2C2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I don't understand your problem with #2. Hemmings called it a Sunbeam
Alpine. It looks to me that it IS a Sunbeam Alpine (or Alpine Sports), NOT a
"Sunbeam-Talbot". So where is the problem? If anything, History Detectives
was guilty of sloppy nomenclature.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 11/3/10 8:04 AM, Jack Feldman at qualitas.jack at gmail.com wrote:

> I checked this with the folks on the MG and Healey lists.
> 
> 1. On page 43 your author wonders what the red and black jacks are for. They
> are power take-offs much like the way we use cigarette lighter sockets in
> modern cars. They were on numerous cars back them, and folks on the list
> confirmed that "trouble" lights had plugs to fit. One person wrote  "My Dad
> used them for a little parking light that clipped onto the top of the
> wind-down window, with a white lens to the front and a red to the rear."
> 
> The second item is a bit confusing. On page 88 You identify the car used in
> the move* To Catch A Thief* as a Sunbeam Alpine. The PBS program "History
> Detectives", had a letter from an owner of a Sunbeam Talbot asked if it was
> the car in *To Catch a Thief*. . The Detectives traced down the VIN in the
> movie production records  and it was not the gentleman's car. There was no
> mention of confusion in the car's name.. Here is a link furnished by Marin
> James that explains that confusion.  http://wmspear.com/bill/STA//.
> 
> I started my query to to the lists by saying I love your magazine, but
> unfortunately this isn't the first time I questioned something in the
> magazine. I may be more vocal in the future.
> 
> KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
> 
> Jack Feldman
> 1972 MGBGT
> 1969 MGC
> 1960 Austin Healey BT7

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  3 10:08:14 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hemmings Editor's Reply
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPALHGPxBQT+gpfUwRGFzUR6AR6OFj_nvYfWLz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikPALHGPxBQT+gpfUwRGFzUR6AR6OFj_nvYfWLz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W408189DEF9BC4278ABAC7FB74A0@phx.gbl>

A gracious reply.  I know we miss something in every edition, even though we
proof every article, press release, letter, and advertisement at least three
times.  Part of it is just human error, part of it is the rush and pressure of
putting something out on deadline.
I used to put jokes in the text to make the proof reader laugh - absurd
misspellings and multiple grammar gaffes.  Well, one time something slipped
through.  Last time I did that. One of my favorite newspaper gaffes, and I
still have it around the office somewhere, is the editorial headline that went
out in another paper:  "Need Headline"  I'm sure someone caught hell for
that.

-Mike Eldred

> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:34:55 -0500
> From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com
> To: healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Hemmings Editor's Reply
>
> This is in part what he said.
>
> "You're right, of course, about the red and black ports on the dashboard --
> boy, have we gotten a lot of mail about that! The fault is mine, because I
> knew what they were for, but didn't catch that sentence on the proof. We
> owe thanks to all of the helpful readers who've taken the time to send us
> photos of the trouble light and the windshield defroster that use those
> ports."
>
> He also was aware the the Sunbeam confusion.
>
> Jack
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From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 15:38:05 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:38:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Who Built the first Sunbeam Alpinnn
Message-ID: <83da.625abef2.3a033e44@aol.com>

Hey gang
I'm sorry but it wasn't Carroll Shelby who built the first Sunbeam Alpine  
based Tiger. It was actually a man
named Ken Miles, but since Shelby had more  name recognition having juat 
built the AC based Cobra the Rootes Group  contracted Carroll Shelby to say he 
had built the 1st Tiger. Please read  the articles below: 
The Sunbeam  Tiger                  
Before the 1964 season racing season began, Ian Garrad contracted with  
Carroll Shelby to construct a stateside race car. The first Sunbeam Tiger  
prototype was actually completed and tested by Ken Miles (who had earlier built  
the "first" Sunbeam V-8 prototype for $800.00 while Shelby was fabricating 
the  "authorized" prototype). The Shelby racer won the 1964 SCCA Class B 
Pacific  Coast Divisional Championship Race at Willow Springs, CA.
Please see: _http://www.filegarden.com/ncbcc/SunbeamTigerandAlpine.htm_ 
(http://www.filegarden.com/ncbcc/SunbeamTigerandAlpine.htm)   ,lllllllllll    
Also, seeking reassurance everything would  fit, a second Series 2 Alpine 
was handed to Ken Miles. Ken Miles (a talented  racer and fabricator in his 
own right) had just been employed by Shelby  American. Using his own shop 
facilities, he managed to install a 260 cu.in. V8  and two-speed automatic into 
the Alpine in less than a week, at a total cost of  US$600. 
Also see: 
_http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f152/1965-sunbeam-tiger-los-angeles-76615/_ 
(http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f152/1965-sunbeam-tiger-los-angeles-76615/) 
Note the discrepancies in the build cost $800.00 -vs- $600.00 depending on  
which article you read..(?)
--==Safety Fast==---
Alberto Escalante

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 23:52:08 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 23:52:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Britannia parts SPAM
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPvwqUxSLrQ-wPHn+-3Dk-JpzBf_Mjn1TFAL_2@mail.gmail.com>

For those who believe that  deleting spam emails is the way to go, I
want to point out that the repeated receipt of these emails from
Britannia Parts is the result of that approach.

It appears that Britannia Parts is no using a new mail service. I
encourage everyone to complain to their new email senders (iContact).

Regards,
Simon

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Nov  4 01:58:11 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:58:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
References: <C8F6DB40.2D2C2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6027C8310AE4428C9A65E6FA175524D7@paul>

*This* is a Sunbeam Alpine:

http://tinyurl.com/3amga2m

I don't know what the full nomenclature of the car in that article is but it 
*is* based on the Sunbeam Talbot saloon of that era even if the 'Talbot' 
part had been dropped by the company by the end of production..

----- Original Message ----- 
>I don't understand your problem with #2. Hemmings called it a Sunbeam
> Alpine. It looks to me that it IS a Sunbeam Alpine (or Alpine Sports), NOT 
> a
> "Sunbeam-Talbot". 

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Thu Nov  4 06:11:52 2010
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:11:52 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
In-Reply-To: <6027C8310AE4428C9A65E6FA175524D7@paul>
References: <C8F6DB40.2D2C2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<6027C8310AE4428C9A65E6FA175524D7@paul>
Message-ID: <003601cb7c21$d946c550$8bd44ff0$@com>

The earlier models looked different in the rear, they had fairly pronounced
fins. We had a '60 and a '67 in the family, most people who saw them both
didn't realize they were the same car.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.831.1142
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul Hunt
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:58 AM
To: Max Heim; MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.

*This* is a Sunbeam Alpine:

http://tinyurl.com/3amga2m

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  4 09:28:06 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
In-Reply-To: <6027C8310AE4428C9A65E6FA175524D7@paul>
Message-ID: <C8F82D26.2D336%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

That is a second-gereration Alpine, yes.

This is the one in question, however:

http://tinyurl.com/2337k7b

Also known as an Alpine, it is what Grace Kelly drove in the aforementioned
movie.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 11/4/10 1:58 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> *This* is a Sunbeam Alpine:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3amga2m
> 
> I don't know what the full nomenclature of the car in that article is but it
> *is* based on the Sunbeam Talbot saloon of that era even if the 'Talbot'
> part had been dropped by the company by the end of production..
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I don't understand your problem with #2. Hemmings called it a Sunbeam
>> Alpine. It looks to me that it IS a Sunbeam Alpine (or Alpine Sports), NOT
>> a
>> "Sunbeam-Talbot".

From tartanredmgb at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 19:39:47 2010
From: tartanredmgb at gmail.com (tartanredmgb at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:39:47 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] anyone in Indianapolis?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmeUP3-qpg1DuqRyN0J2hvfivEOGi_9ixX7y_Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking to buy an early MGB roadster, and one just came up for sale in
Indianapolis, Indiana, and I am long ways from it.  Is there anyone that
might take a look at the car for me?  Thanks!

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Nov  4 20:31:19 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 23:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
Message-ID: <12ea16.1b93c0b4.3a04d487@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/4/2010 9:41:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

Also known as an Alpine, it is what Grace Kelly drove in the aforementioned 
 movie.
Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
 
Grace Kelly was driving a 1954 Jowett Jupiter in the movie "To Catch A  
Thief" with Cary Grant.
-==Safety-Fast==-
Alberto Escalante 

From tartanredmgb at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 21:42:31 2010
From: tartanredmgb at gmail.com (tartanredmgb at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:31 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Help needed in Bloomington, not Indianapolis
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8nchMewmUc8HW3suajYP2tLFbCV8+wNjWNexU@mail.gmail.com>

Made a mistake; the car is located in Bloomington . . .

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, <tartanredmgb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am looking to buy an early MGB roadster, and one just came up for sale in
> Indianapolis, Indiana, and I am long ways from it.  Is there anyone that
> might take a look at the car for me?  Thanks!

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Fri Nov  5 02:00:27 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Help needed in Bloomington, not Indianapolis
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin8nchMewmUc8HW3suajYP2tLFbCV8+wNjWNexU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin8nchMewmUc8HW3suajYP2tLFbCV8+wNjWNexU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9874FE5D7A6A42C69DF2AD86B5D590AB@stargate>

If you don't hear from anyone directly, you could contact Tucker Madawick 
who owns Autosport in Bloomington.  www.autosportinc.com  Chances are Tucker 
is already familiar with the car.

Gordie
'62 MGA
'67 BGT

--------------------------------------------------
From: <tartanredmgb at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:42 AM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Help needed in Bloomington, not Indianapolis

> Made a mistake; the car is located in Bloomington . . .
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, <tartanredmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to buy an early MGB roadster, and one just came up for sale 
>> in
>> Indianapolis, Indiana, and I am long ways from it.  Is there anyone that
>> might take a look at the car for me?  Thanks!
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  5 18:07:08 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:07:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
In-Reply-To: <12ea16.1b93c0b4.3a04d487@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8F9F84C.2D3D7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I'm sorry, I beg to differ. Here are links to photos of the car in the
movie:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YhXyERcLvWU/SvPy72COIcI/AAAAAAAAAOM/-mlfsJ80csU/s4
00/monaco-to-catch-a-thief.jpg

http://www.classicfilmstars.com/img/grant-kelly-catchthief.jpg

http://www.travel-tidbits.com/tidbits/Grace%20Kelly.jpg

http://www.cas.sc.edu/socy/faculty/deflem/hit/catch.jpg


Here are two views of a 1953 Sunbeam Alpine:

http://www.allwestins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/CarShow-Convertibl
e-Blue.jpg

http://www.anatreptic.com/1953%20Sunbeam%20Alpine.jpg


Here is a photo of a Jowett Jupiter:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9d/JowettJupiter2.JPG/250px
-JowettJupiter2.JPG


The easiest way to tell the difference is that the Jowett has a divided
windscreen (with a center post) -- the car in the movie has a single-piece
windscreen.



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 11/4/10 8:31 PM, Aeseeyou at aol.com at Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/4/2010 9:41:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> Also known as an Alpine, it is what Grace Kelly drove in the aforementioned
>  movie.
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>  
> Grace Kelly was driving a 1954 Jowett Jupiter in the movie "To Catch A
> Thief" with Cary Grant.
> -==Safety-Fast==-
> Alberto Escalante

From don at napanet.net  Fri Nov  5 18:34:49 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
In-Reply-To: <C8F9F84C.2D3D7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <12ea16.1b93c0b4.3a04d487@aol.com>
	<C8F9F84C.2D3D7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20101106013506.EF0ABAE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Who cares about the cars????
Grace Kelly was so gorgeous I can't bother with the cars!  It's no 
wonder a prince captured her.
This is my favourite film clip of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CuP2YQTUlE



At 06:07 PM 11/5/2010, Max Heim wrote:
>I'm sorry, I beg to differ. Here are links to photos of the car in the
>movie:
>
>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YhXyERcLvWU/SvPy72COIcI/AAAAAAAAAOM/-mlfsJ80csU/s4
>00/monaco-to-catch-a-thief.jpg
>
>http://www.classicfilmstars.com/img/grant-kelly-catchthief.jpg
>
>http://www.travel-tidbits.com/tidbits/Grace%20Kelly.jpg
>
>http://www.cas.sc.edu/socy/faculty/deflem/hit/catch.jpg
>
>
>Here are two views of a 1953 Sunbeam Alpine:
>
>http://www.allwestins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/CarShow-Convertibl
>e-Blue.jpg
>
>http://www.anatreptic.com/1953%20Sunbeam%20Alpine.jpg
>
>
>Here is a photo of a Jowett Jupiter:
>
>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9d/JowettJupiter2.JPG/250px
>-JowettJupiter2.JPG
>
>
>The easiest way to tell the difference is that the Jowett has a divided
>windscreen (with a center post) -- the car in the movie has a single-piece
>windscreen.
>
>
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
>
>on 11/4/10 8:31 PM, Aeseeyou at aol.com at Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 11/4/2010 9:41:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> >
> > Also known as an Alpine, it is what Grace Kelly drove in the aforementioned
> >  movie.
> > Max Heim
> > '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> >
> > Grace Kelly was driving a 1954 Jowett Jupiter in the movie "To Catch A
> > Thief" with Cary Grant.
> > -==Safety-Fast==-
> > Alberto Escalante
>________
>-----

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Sat Nov  6 01:15:37 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:15:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Info on two items in the latest issues.
Message-ID: <8a618.68cacc6e.3a0668a8@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/5/2010 6:24:27 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
max_heim at sbcglobal.net  writes:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YhXyERcLvWU/SvPy72COIcI/AAAAAAAAAOM/-mlfsJ80csU/s4
00/monaco-to-catch-a-thief.jpg   
Yep! You got me again, Max!!
The Jowett also didn't have an outside entry to the boot either...I imagine 
 you stowed everything ala A-H Sprite Bug (or Frog) eye...
I owe you one! Maybe we'll meet at a car meet and I can pay up!
--==Safety-Fast!==--
Alberto Escalante 1977 MGB

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 13:58:58 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:58:58 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
Message-ID: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>

Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing in a
67 B roadster?
I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years since I
have done this.
Rick

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sun Nov  7 15:05:39 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:05:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0DFF1BBCC094F97B40E90AA776FF49E@stargate>

I'd take pics of my 67 BGT, but I doubt it's anywhere near correct.   What, 
specifically, are you looking for?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:58 PM
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B

> Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing in 
> a
> 67 B roadster?
> I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years since 
> I
> have done this.
> Rick
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 17:16:37 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:16:37 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <D0DFF1BBCC094F97B40E90AA776FF49E@stargate>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
	<D0DFF1BBCC094F97B40E90AA776FF49E@stargate>
Message-ID: <CA720760-3658-40E5-A443-D46276202799@gmail.com>

I finally managed to figure out most of it, but in the rear corner of the
engine bay is probably not correct. Any pics or diagrams of the RR corner of
the engine room would be a big help.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2010, at 14:05, "gordies garage" <mg_garage at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'd take pics of my 67 BGT, but I doubt it's anywhere near correct.   What,
specifically, are you looking for?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
>
>> Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing in
a
>> 67 B roadster?
>> I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years since
I
>> have done this.
>> Rick
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From runner01 at wowway.com  Sun Nov  7 17:54:55 2010
From: runner01 at wowway.com (Ray Graham)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:54:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFD5CAE655AA49B29F8C3C08168B8C2C@AcerPC>

Richard:
Try this site:

http://www.advanceautowire.com/

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Richard Ewald
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 2:59 PM
To: MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B


Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing in a
67 B roadster? I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too
many years since I have done this. Rick
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 18:57:48 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:57:48 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Wiring horns on MGAs
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8iAJGmWgCOMKjscOguC+ixnyBbmqJOTWePWJD@mail.gmail.com>

I just replaced one of the horns on my MGA (it had leaked and rusted
so that it would not work some years ago). How are the wires that go
from one horn to the other arranged? Clearly, the wires can't just
dangle between the horns as they would quickly catch something and be
pulled out.

Simon

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Nov  7 19:40:26 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:40:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Wiring horns on MGAs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8iAJGmWgCOMKjscOguC+ixnyBbmqJOTWePWJD@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTim8iAJGmWgCOMKjscOguC+ixnyBbmqJOTWePWJD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <766247.67611.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Horn brackets are attached to inboard sides of the front frame 
extension.  I would recommend tie-wrapping the interconnecting  wires 
to bottom side of the round cross tube (starting handle goes 
above).  See front frame drawing here: 
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/frame/fr101a.htm


At 05:57 PM 11/7/2010 -0800, Simon Matthews wrote:
>.... How are the wires that go from one horn to the other arranged? 
>Clearly, the wires can't just dangle between the horns as they would 
>quickly catch something and be pulled out.
>....

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 20:13:20 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:13:20 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <DFD5CAE655AA49B29F8C3C08168B8C2C@AcerPC>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
	<DFD5CAE655AA49B29F8C3C08168B8C2C@AcerPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xrJeLTiM6Ug_uKcxULV3ynXVgi9spLcju6q6i@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing there on how the original harnesses were routed.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Ray Graham <runner01 at wowway.com> wrote:

> Richard:
> Try this site:
>
> http://www.advanceautowire.com/

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov  8 02:02:42 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:02:42 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com><D0DFF1BBCC094F97B40E90AA776FF49E@stargate>
	<CA720760-3658-40E5-A443-D46276202799@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77CDF7B3606471FBC715ABA752A177C@paul>

Clausager?  There are quite good pictures of a 69 and particularly a 64 in 
there.  But basically as long as the components are in the right places the 
main run goes horizontally from back to front near the top of the inner wing 
with the tails dropping down vertically.  The rear harness and tail for it, 
and possibly the main harness to the starter goes through a couple of clips 
in that right rear corner.  The gearbox tail goes across the shelf to join 
to the gearbox harness, then down to a clip on the top right of the 
bell-housing.  On the 64 the main harness goes behind the mounting panel for 
the control box, with the rear and gearbox tails dropping down aft of that 
panel, and the other tails forward of it.  The 69 has the main harness 
routed under that mounting panel (still there even though it now has an 
alternator)/

PaulH/

----- Original Message ----- 
>I finally managed to figure out most of it, but in the rear corner of the
> engine bay is probably not correct. Any pics or diagrams of the RR corner 
> of
> the engine room would be a big help.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 06:17:14 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:17:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <CA720760-3658-40E5-A443-D46276202799@gmail.com>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
	<D0DFF1BBCC094F97B40E90AA776FF49E@stargate>
	<CA720760-3658-40E5-A443-D46276202799@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <781453.16999.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Rick, I have a bunch of photos of my '65 B's (Oct '64 build) engine compartment 
here...

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1965%20MGB/?start=all

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: gordies garage <mg_garage at comcast.net>
Cc: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 7:16:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B

I finally managed to figure out most of it, but in the rear corner of the
engine bay is probably not correct. Any pics or diagrams of the RR corner of
the engine room would be a big help.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2010, at 14:05, "gordies garage" <mg_garage at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'd take pics of my 67 BGT, but I doubt it's anywhere near correct.   What,
specifically, are you looking for?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
>
>> Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing in
a
>> 67 B roadster?
>> I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years since
I
>> have done this.
>> Rick
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Nov  8 09:34:33 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DA68@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Let us see if this helps. My 67BGT is still pretty much in original
condition. I have had it for about ten years and the previous owner had
it mostly parked for another decade or so because he couldn't get it to
pass Colorado (US) emissions testing. I did restore the interior (seat
covers, dash pad) due to sun/heat damage but the mechanicals have been
mostly unrestored so I am confident that it still is representative of
its era, particularly the wiring. (even has an original working BMC AM
radio).

Here are three pictures I took this morning right before I left for work
(sorry the middle one is a bit blurred). I did replace the wiring
harness on my 72B and it was pretty much self explanatory so maybe these
pictures can give you a good idea of where to anchor it as you spread it
out.

http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int1.JPG
http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int2.JPG
http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int3.JPG

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B
64 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Richard Ewald
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:59 PM
To: MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B

Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing
in a
67 B roadster?
I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years
since I
have done this.
Rick

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Nov  8 21:01:38 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DA68@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <31E8B8D1-A706-48FD-81CC-DC85AE8ED535@gmail.com>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DA68@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksF1tUpDKw05g0f6U6oA_ZY7Bfskph_6_MYiJs@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to David, Dan and Carl I have the needed pictures.
An extra special thanks to David who took some pictures this AM before work.
Rick

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Councill, David
<dcouncill at msubillings.edu>wrote:

> Let us see if this helps. My 67BGT is still pretty much in original
> condition. I have had it for about ten years and the previous owner had
> it mostly parked for another decade or so because he couldn't get it to
> pass Colorado (US) emissions testing. I did restore the interior (seat
> covers, dash pad) due to sun/heat damage but the mechanicals have been
> mostly unrestored so I am confident that it still is representative of
> its era, particularly the wiring. (even has an original working BMC AM
> radio).
>
> Here are three pictures I took this morning right before I left for work
> (sorry the middle one is a bit blurred). I did replace the wiring
> harness on my 72B and it was pretty much self explanatory so maybe these
> pictures can give you a good idea of where to anchor it as you spread it
> out.
>
> http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int1.JPG
> http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int2.JPG
> http://www.karamursel.org/mg/67BGT_int3.JPG
>
> David Councill
> 67 BGT
> 72 B
> 64 B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Richard Ewald
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: MG List
> Subject: [Mgs] Harness routing 67B
>
> Does anyone have pictures or diagrams of the electrical harness routing
> in a
> 67 B roadster?
> I'm helping a buddy with a full resto and it has been too many years
> since I
> have done this.
> Rick

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 10 15:43:48 2010
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (leylandauto at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:43:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <698026.95950.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://caqubowa.tripod.com/

From palte at gmx.net  Fri Nov 12 09:00:07 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:00:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB
Message-ID: <20101112160007.322870@gmx.net>

Found this pic of two MGBs in a barn:


http://lulu.hr/members/jelic/konoba.jpg


(no comments)
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Nov 12 09:59:04 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:59:04 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
Message-ID: <6908AE11D95241CDAEC5F6289541A878@paul>

Anyone know which side have left-hand threads and which right-hand?  Watching
Wheeler Dealers this week Edd China definitely had the left-hand thread on the
left-hand side.  That to me is wrong, if the 'ears' of the spinner catch on
anything it is going to tend to undo them, and is opposite to how they are on
my MGB.  Ironically, the first Elan forum I looked at had a couple of examples
of wheels coming loose, one person putting it down to having accelerated
harder than he braked!

PaulH.

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 10:24:58 2010
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB
References: <20101112160007.322870@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <988F70F77D7643F19D4F26070FB43C69@frankdcczr6l6k>

How about the MGA and Spitfire!
Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:00 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB


> Found this pic of two MGBs in a barn:
> 
> 
> http://lulu.hr/members/jelic/konoba.jpg

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 12:15:40 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:15:40 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB
In-Reply-To: <20101112160007.322870@gmx.net>
References: <20101112160007.322870@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <2745DFBF-9BA7-433F-ACAD-5F923692C178@gmail.com>

I want to see the pictures of how they got them up there
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:00, "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net> wrote:

> Found this pic of two MGBs in a barn:
>
>
> http://lulu.hr/members/jelic/konoba.jpg
>
>
> (no comments)
> --
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> gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri Nov 12 12:29:39 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <6908AE11D95241CDAEC5F6289541A878@paul>
References: <6908AE11D95241CDAEC5F6289541A878@paul>
Message-ID: <E1PGzPk-0007al-Kj@eta.look.ca>

Paul,

I never remember but there is an easy way to know.  The spinners must 
be always tightened yes?  So when the wheel turns it must be to 
tighten them.   So look at which way the wheel goes (when car is 
going forward) and thus spinner must turn in opposite direction to 
tighten. Catching ears and braking sound like urban legends !!


At 11:59 AM 11/12/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Anyone know which side have left-hand threads and which right-hand?  Watching
>Wheeler Dealers this week Edd China definitely had the left-hand thread on the
>left-hand side.  That to me is wrong, if the 'ears' of the spinner catch on
>anything it is going to tend to undo them, and is opposite to how they are on
>my MGB.  Ironically, the first Elan forum I looked at had a couple of examples
>of wheels coming loose, one person putting it down to having accelerated
>harder than he braked!
>
>PaulH.
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705--721-9060 

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri Nov 12 13:22:44 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:22:44 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
Message-ID: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

   I expected that finding an unequivocal answer would be quick.  Not so.
Dayton's site says to hammer them on hard. Nothing about handing of the
thread.  Classic Motorsports magazine says to hammer gently, wheels off
ground, set on ground and tighten one spoke spacing. Nothing about handing.
GT40 site says Right side threads are left-handed; left side threads are
right-handed; tighten to the rear. Nothing about tightness.  Bob

  ---------- Original Message ----------
From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>,<mgs at autox.team.net>,
<MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:39 -0500

Paul,

I never remember but there is an easy way to know.  The spinners must
be always tightened yes?  So when the wheel turns it must be to
tighten them.   So look at which way the wheel goes (when car is
going forward) and thus spinner must turn in opposite direction to
tighten. Catching ears and braking sound like urban legends !!


At 11:59 AM 11/12/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Anyone know which side have left-hand threads and which right-hand?
Watching
>Wheeler Dealers this week Edd China definitely had the left-hand thread on
the
>left-hand side.  That to me is wrong, if the 'ears' of the spinner catch on
>anything it is going to tend to undo them, and is opposite to how they are
on
>my MGB.  Ironically, the first Elan forum I looked at had a couple of
examples
>of wheels coming loose, one person putting it down to having accelerated
>harder than he braked!
>
>PaulH.
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri Nov 12 15:43:22 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:43:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca>

As  I said rather badly before is that spinners screw on in the 
opposite direction to the forward rotation of the wheel


At 03:22 PM 11/12/2010, mgbob at juno.com wrote:
>    I expected that finding an unequivocal answer would be quick.  Not so.
>   Dayton's site says to hammer them on hard. Nothing about handing 
> of the thread.
>   Classic Motorsports magazine says to hammer gently, wheels off 
> ground, set on ground and tighten one spoke spacing. Nothing about handing.
>   GT40 site says Right side threads are left-handed; left side 
> threads are right-handed; tighten to the rear. Nothing about tightness.
>   Bob
>
>   ---------- Original Message ----------
>From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
>To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>,<mgs at autox.team.net>, 
><MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:39 -0500
>
>Paul,
>
>I never remember but there is an easy way to know.  The spinners must
>be always tightened yes?  So when the wheel turns it must be to
>tighten them.   So look at which way the wheel goes (when car is
>going forward) and thus spinner must turn in opposite direction to
>tighten. Catching ears and braking sound like urban legends !!
>
>
>At 11:59 AM 11/12/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
> >Anyone know which side have left-hand threads and which 
> right-hand?  Watching
> >Wheeler Dealers this week Edd China definitely had the left-hand 
> thread on the
> >left-hand side.  That to me is wrong, if the 'ears' of the spinner catch on
> >anything it is going to tend to undo them, and is opposite to how 
> they are on
> >my MGB.  Ironically, the first Elan forum I looked at had a couple 
> of examples
> >of wheels coming loose, one person putting it down to having accelerated
> >harder than he braked!
> >
> >PaulH.
> >_______________________________________________
> >
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>Regards
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Nov 12 16:34:03 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:34:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <6908AE11D95241CDAEC5F6289541A878@paul>
References: <6908AE11D95241CDAEC5F6289541A878@paul>
Message-ID: <62721.32720.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yup.  Left side has right hand threads, and right side has left hand 
threads.  Get them wrong and they unscrew thenself and you lose a 
wheel.  Get it right and they are self tightening.  If you want to 
know how and why, see here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm


At 04:59 PM 11/12/2010 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Anyone know which side have left-hand threads and which right-hand?  ....
>....

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 12 16:51:40 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:51:40 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca>
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net>

Not necessarily.  I don't know about the Elan, but there are some cars 
with a different type of spinner that tightens opposite to the spinners 
we know on MGs.  I may be wrong but I think they tighten against the 
inside diameter of the wheel hub, not the outside.
Charles Hill

On 11/12/2010 4:43 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote:
> As  I said rather badly before is that spinners screw on in the 
> opposite direction to the forward rotation of the wheel

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 12 17:15:10 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca> <4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net>

I knew my memory wasn't that bad.  I checked on lotuselan.net and yes, 
the knockoffs are backwards to what we see on MGs, a completely 
different design.  You should have known that Colin Chapman would have 
had different way of doing things.

Charles Hill

On 11/12/2010 5:51 PM, Charles Hill wrote:
> Not necessarily.  I don't know about the Elan, but there are some cars 
> with a different type of spinner that tightens opposite to the 
> spinners we know on MGs.  I may be wrong but I think they tighten 
> against the inside diameter of the wheel hub, not the outside.
> Charles Hill

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Fri Nov 12 18:28:01 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB
In-Reply-To: <988F70F77D7643F19D4F26070FB43C69@frankdcczr6l6k>
References: <20101112160007.322870@gmx.net>
	<988F70F77D7643F19D4F26070FB43C69@frankdcczr6l6k>
Message-ID: <a06240801c90399e74c15@[192.168.1.4]>

Good cut and paste job almost believable.


>How about the MGA and Spitfire!
>Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Palte" <palte at gmx.net>
>To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:00 AM
>Subject: [Mgs] Barn find, MGB
>
>>Found this pic of two MGBs in a barn:
>>
>>
>>http://lulu.hr/members/jelic/konoba.jpg
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Rochester NY 14627
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From barrie at look.ca  Sat Nov 13 07:04:54 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:04:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca> <4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net>
	<4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E1PHHAc-0000lV-V2@zeta.look.ca>

Charles,

That seems to defy physics.  I looked on lotuselan.net but could not 
find the chat - Please can you tell me how to find it?




At 07:15 PM 11/12/2010, Charles Hill wrote:
>I knew my memory wasn't that bad.  I checked on lotuselan.net and 
>yes, the knockoffs are backwards to what we see on MGs, a completely 
>different design.  You should have known that Colin Chapman would 
>have had different way of doing things.
>
>Charles Hill
>
>On 11/12/2010 5:51 PM, Charles Hill wrote:
>>Not necessarily.  I don't know about the Elan, but there are some 
>>cars with a different type of spinner that tightens opposite to the 
>>spinners we know on MGs.  I may be wrong but I think they tighten 
>>against the inside diameter of the wheel hub, not the outside.
>>Charles Hill
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Nov 13 07:26:03 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:26:03 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca>
	<4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net> <4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E199906823B541818115A1831684B4CA@paul>

That's more like it, thanks.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hill" <chillmog at sbcglobal.net>
>I knew my memory wasn't that bad.  I checked on lotuselan.net and yes, 
> the knockoffs are backwards to what we see on MGs, a completely 
> different design.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Nov 13 08:24:27 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:24:27 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com><E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca>
	<4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net><4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net>
	<E1PHHAc-0000lV-V2@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BA1612BCCB0C41099A6AA1DF2BDABA5F@paul>

http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/elan-f15/knock-wheels-and-hub-threads-t18343.html

First link when Googling 'lotus elan left hand spinner'

----- Original Message ----- 
> That seems to defy physics.  I looked on lotuselan.net but could not find 
> the chat - Please can you tell me how to find it?
>
> At 07:15 PM 11/12/2010, Charles Hill wrote:
>>I knew my memory wasn't that bad.  I checked on lotuselan.net and yes, the 
>>knockoffs are backwards to what we see on MGs, a completely different 
>>design.  You should have known that Colin Chapman would have had different 
>>way of doing things.

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 09:02:36 2010
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:02:36 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
Message-ID: <19d254.482bec97.3a10109c@aol.com>

Good find, Paul.
 
The peg drive MGA Twin Cam wheels bear on the outside, not inside cone and  
so are handed just like the Rudge wire wheels.
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 13/11/2010 7:48:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk writes:

http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/elan-f15/knock-wheels-and-hub-threads-t18343
.html

First  link when Googling 'lotus elan left hand spinner'

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 13 10:10:22 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:10:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Sort-of off-topic, Lotus Elan wheel spinners
In-Reply-To: <E1PHHAc-0000lV-V2@zeta.look.ca>
References: <20101112.152244.21925.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<E1PH2LC-0001yl-8S@eta.look.ca> <4CDDD30C.2050504@sbcglobal.net>
	<4CDDD88E.6010602@sbcglobal.net> <E1PHHAc-0000lV-V2@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4CDEC67E.80406@sbcglobal.net>

Check this link:  
http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/elan-archive-f16/are-lotus-knockoff-backwards-t2864.html

Charles Hill

On 11/13/2010 8:04 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> That seems to defy physics.  I looked on lotuselan.net but could not 
> find the chat - Please can you tell me how to find it?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov 15 09:52:52 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:52:52 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] UK-spec MG6 and Zero concept at the Classic Car Show and
 MPH/Top Gear Live this weekend
Message-ID: <3AF1EC481C7445D8AE943F62D12891A1@paul>

http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ccs10.htm#7

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 05:09:37 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:09:37 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>

Again my buddy is having an issue putting his 67 B back together.
He bought new brake rotors and he tells me the hole in the center for the
hub is not large enough to go onto the hub.
He says the hole in the rotor is 2.85" and the hub is 2.95"  Not quite 1/8"
inch too small.
I always thought that B rotors were a case of buy one fits all.  I haven't
gone and looked at it myself, but I have to admit from his description, I am
stumped.
Anybody got any ideas?
Rick

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Wed Nov 17 06:43:26 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>

Rick,  something is not right and will bet it is with the hub. there  
is no choice of rotors for different years of MGBs. none that I can see.

paul
On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> Again my buddy is having an issue putting his 67 B back together.
> He bought new brake rotors and he tells me the hole in the center  
> for the
> hub is not large enough to go onto the hub.
> He says the hole in the rotor is 2.85" and the hub is 2.95"  Not  
> quite 1/8"
> inch too small.
> I always thought that B rotors were a case of buy one fits all.  I  
> haven't
> gone and looked at it myself, but I have to admit from his  
> description, I am
> stumped.
> Anybody got any ideas?
> Rick
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University of Rochester	
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627
585-275-5226

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Wed Nov 17 06:57:30 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
In-Reply-To: <117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
	<117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0761810A@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

A quick check of a spare rotor (probably from my 71BGT) shows the hole
is 2.875" according to my micrometer. I have some spare used hubs but
they are buried deeper in one of my spare parts boxes. Still, the hub
looks suspicious in this case as the rotor sounds correct.

David Councill
67 BGT
64 B
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:43 AM
To: Richard Ewald
Cc: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue

Rick,  something is not right and will bet it is with the hub. there is
no choice of rotors for different years of MGBs. none that I can see.

paul
On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> Again my buddy is having an issue putting his 67 B back together.
> He bought new brake rotors and he tells me the hole in the center for
> the hub is not large enough to go onto the hub.
> He says the hole in the rotor is 2.85" and the hub is 2.95"  Not quite

> 1/8"
> inch too small.
> I always thought that B rotors were a case of buy one fits all.  I
> haven't gone and looked at it myself, but I have to admit from his
> description, I am stumped.
> Anybody got any ideas?
> Rick
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>
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Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627
585-275-5226
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Nov 17 07:34:17 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:34:17 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00C5BE49BBCA471A8900706F0B34989A@paul>

According to the parts lists the only different discs and hubs were between 
the 4-cylinder and V8 cars.  There's not much difference in the latter as 
the V8 hubs were used on 4-cylinder cars for the 77 and later model years, 
and the same disc seems to have been used with both hubs when on a 
4-cylinder.  If my old discs were in this garage I could measure them, but 
they're not so I can't.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> He bought new brake rotors and he tells me the hole in the center for the
> hub is not large enough to go onto the hub.
> He says the hole in the rotor is 2.85" and the hub is 2.95"  Not quite 
> 1/8"
> inch too small.
> I always thought that B rotors were a case of buy one fits all. 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 08:05:23 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:05:23 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
In-Reply-To: <117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
	<117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
Message-ID: <159B7FEB-AA71-4133-9EAC-204FF6162889@gmail.com>

I agree with it is probably the hubs. The deal is I am the PO on the car and I
know that they have not been changed since 1970 when I acquired the car.
If the hubs had been swapped before I got the car that begs the question
swapped with what?  TR4?  Healey?  It would have to have been something that
took the same size/thickness/hat as the B rotor but had a larger hole.
Guess I will have to go over there and eyeball this sucker.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:43, Paul Osborne <paul at ece.rochester.edu> wrote:

> Rick,  something is not right and will bet it is with the hub. there is no
choice of rotors for different years of MGBs. none that I can see.
>
> paul
> On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:
>
>> Again my buddy is having an issue putting his 67 B back together.
>> He bought new brake rotors and he tells me the hole in the center for the
>> hub is not large enough to go onto the hub.
>> He says the hole in the rotor is 2.85" and the hub is 2.95"  Not quite
1/8"
>> inch too small.
>> I always thought that B rotors were a case of buy one fits all.  I haven't
>> gone and looked at it myself, but I have to admit from his description, I
am
>> stumped.
>> Anybody got any ideas?
>> Rick
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>
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> University of Rochester
> 201 Hopeman Build RC
> Rochester NY 14627
> 585-275-5226

From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Nov 17 11:18:01 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
In-Reply-To: <159B7FEB-AA71-4133-9EAC-204FF6162889@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
	<117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
	<159B7FEB-AA71-4133-9EAC-204FF6162889@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201011171018452.SM01420@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Is he putting the rotor on the correct side of the hub?

         Peter C
===
At 09:05 AM 11/17/2010, Richard Ewald wrote:
>I agree with it is probably the hubs. The deal is I am the PO on the car and I
>know that they have not been changed since 1970 when I acquired the car.
>If the hubs had been swapped before I got the car that begs the question
>swapped with what?  TR4?  Healey?  It would have to have been something that
>took the same size/thickness/hat as the B rotor but had a larger hole.
>Guess I will have to go over there and eyeball this sucker.
>Rick

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 13:19:34 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:19:34 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
In-Reply-To: <201011171018452.SM01420@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com>
	<117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu>
	<159B7FEB-AA71-4133-9EAC-204FF6162889@gmail.com>
	<201011171018452.SM01420@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <F7836C7C-11EA-4AD3-BAE9-C083A09C9B7A@gmail.com>

Ding!
Winner, we have a winner.
I just got a phone call from my buddy. He was trying to mount the rotor from
the wrong side.
Thanks for the help
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:18, Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com> wrote:

> Is he putting the rotor on the correct side of the hub?
>
>        Peter C
> ===
> At 09:05 AM 11/17/2010, Richard Ewald wrote:
>> I agree with it is probably the hubs. The deal is I am the PO on the car
and I
>> know that they have not been changed since 1970 when I acquired the car.
>> If the hubs had been swapped before I got the car that begs the question
>> swapped with what?  TR4?  Healey?  It would have to have been something
that
>> took the same size/thickness/hat as the B rotor but had a larger hole.
>> Guess I will have to go over there and eyeball this sucker.
>> Rick

From montejane at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 13:30:17 2010
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
Message-ID: <AANLkTiniFBCoQ47Dr6bXO9tmp+-64wgQnF=Q6jU+u+vj@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again,
I'm once again back on-list after a several year absence. We've been (and
still are) traveling in an RV much of the year and so the 79B doesn't get
over 2-3000 miles/year of use. I've not had any problems with the B for the
last 2-3 years; just fill it with gas and oil and drive.
Here is a little background for those of you "old" members who may have
forgotten me (where DID that short-term memory go?:) and for those new
members in the past several years.
I bought a 68B in 1972 and drove it until our first born was due in 1979. We
bought the current 79B in 2001, and a 67B (off Ebay; flew to Seattle and
drove it home to Missouri) in 2002.  I HAD the same "disease" many of you
have, but I'm mostly cured now:)
Since we both retired from teaching in 2005 and are doing a lot of
travelling, we decided to sell the 67B in 06 to a good home instead of
having two of them sit in the garage most of the year.
I've done some work on the 79B since I've owned it. In 2003, I had the body
stripped down to bare metal, new rockers welded in, the "crack of doom"
fixed, and a nice Carmine paint job reapplied as well as the wheels powder
coated. This for the lowly sum of $2000; you city dwellers eat your hearts
out!

I bought a 74 parts car and used the SU's (after rebuilding) to replace the
ZS carb in the 79. After numerous problems with the original electronic
ignition and advice from list members,  I switched to the points carb from
the parts car and it's been mostly trouble-free since. It is de-smogged. I
did a complete brake overhaul.
It runs well. In fact, last summer after installing new tires I took it out
to a flat stretch and maxed it out at 105mph for the first (and last) time.

Since I'm back, I do have a question for you wise ones.
The speedo has started acting irradically; sometimes registering VERY high
(90 mph @ 20mph), sometimes registering normal, and most of the time not
working at all. It may do all three in a 20 mile drive. As and aside, the
trip odometer has quit working and the odometer does work but always seems
to register "between" numbers on the thousands scale. It never quite "clicks
in" to the proper number, but is always halfway between. Any suggestions on
causes?
It's good to be back.
Monte Morris

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Nov 17 13:48:38 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:48:38 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
Message-ID: <20101117.154838.5012.8@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Monte,  It's good to hear from you, with history and the current news.
  Your description of the speedo issues seem to be those of a 31 year old
instrument that is stuck up with old grease and chipped plastic parts. Time to
send it out to Moma Engineering or Nisonger for a little maintenance.   If you
ask, they can retain the present mileage instead of returning it to 00.Bob
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Monte/Jane Morris" <montejane at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:17 -0600

Hi again,
I'm once again back on-list after a several year absence. We've been (and

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 13:59:09 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:59:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
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References: <AANLkTiniFBCoQ47Dr6bXO9tmp+-64wgQnF=Q6jU+u+vj@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, Monte, welcome back! Were you towing the B behind the RV?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Monte/Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 3:30:17 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus

Hi again,
I'm once again back on-list after a several year absence. We've been (and
still are) traveling in an RV much of the year and so the 79B doesn't get
over 2-3000 miles/year of use. I've not had any problems with the B for the
last 2-3 years; just fill it with gas and oil and drive.
Here is a little background for those of you "old" members who may have
forgotten me (where DID that short-term memory go?:) and for those new
members in the past several years.
I bought a 68B in 1972 and drove it until our first born was due in 1979. We
bought the current 79B in 2001, and a 67B (off Ebay; flew to Seattle and
drove it home to Missouri) in 2002.  I HAD the same "disease" many of you
have, but I'm mostly cured now:)
Since we both retired from teaching in 2005 and are doing a lot of
travelling, we decided to sell the 67B in 06 to a good home instead of
having two of them sit in the garage most of the year.
I've done some work on the 79B since I've owned it. In 2003, I had the body
stripped down to bare metal, new rockers welded in, the "crack of doom"
fixed, and a nice Carmine paint job reapplied as well as the wheels powder
coated. This for the lowly sum of $2000; you city dwellers eat your hearts
out!

I bought a 74 parts car and used the SU's (after rebuilding) to replace the
ZS carb in the 79. After numerous problems with the original electronic
ignition and advice from list members,  I switched to the points carb from
the parts car and it's been mostly trouble-free since. It is de-smogged. I
did a complete brake overhaul.
It runs well. In fact, last summer after installing new tires I took it out
to a flat stretch and maxed it out at 105mph for the first (and last) time.

Since I'm back, I do have a question for you wise ones.
The speedo has started acting irradically; sometimes registering VERY high
(90 mph @ 20mph), sometimes registering normal, and most of the time not
working at all. It may do all three in a 20 mile drive. As and aside, the
trip odometer has quit working and the odometer does work but always seems
to register "between" numbers on the thousands scale. It never quite "clicks
in" to the proper number, but is always halfway between. Any suggestions on
causes?
It's good to be back.
Monte Morris
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From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Nov 17 14:12:40 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:12:40 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
Message-ID: <20101117.161240.5012.10@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

  Monte wouldn't do that---the RV burns too much fuel.  He tows the RV behind
the MG; it's alphabetical order.Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
To: Monte/Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com>, mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:59:09 -0800 (PST)

Hi, Monte, welcome back! Were you towing the B behind the RV?

 Dan D
Central NJ USAs/mgbob at juno.com

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 15:49:31 2010
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:49:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiniFBCoQ47Dr6bXO9tmp+-64wgQnF=Q6jU+u+vj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <633983.40432.qm@web113405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Welcome Back Monte!!
I like Dave was wondering if you are taking the B with you. Judy and I have
talked about doing that on retirement. I would also consider having the
Speedometer gone over. My brother has resurrected a couple by just disassembly
and cleaning.
Nice to have you back.

Carl French

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Monte/Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Monte/Jane Morris <montejane at gmail.com>
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:30 PM

Hi again,
I'm once again back on-list after a several year absence. We've been (and
still are) traveling in an RV much of the year and so the 79B doesn't get
over 2-3000 miles/year of use. I've not had any problems with the B for the
last 2-3 years; just fill it with gas and oil and drive.
Here is a little background for those of you "old" members who may have
forgotten me (where DID that short-term memory go?:) and for those new
members in the past several years.
I bought a 68B in 1972 and drove it until our first born was due in 1979. We
bought the current 79B in 2001, and a 67B (off Ebay; flew to Seattle and
drove it home to Missouri) in 2002.  I HAD the same "disease" many of you
have, but I'm mostly cured now:)
Since we both retired from teaching in 2005 and are doing a lot of
travelling, we decided to sell the 67B in 06 to a good home instead of
having two of them sit in the garage most of the year.
I've done some work on the 79B since I've owned it. In 2003, I had the body
stripped down to bare metal, new rockers welded in, the "crack of doom"
fixed, and a nice Carmine paint job reapplied as well as the wheels powder
coated. This for the lowly sum of $2000; you city dwellers eat your hearts
out!

I bought a 74 parts car and used the SU's (after rebuilding) to replace the
ZS carb in the 79. After numerous problems with the original electronic
ignition and advice from list members,  I switched to the points carb from
the parts car and it's been mostly trouble-free since. It is de-smogged. I
did a complete brake overhaul.
It runs well. In fact, last summer after installing new tires I took it out
to a flat stretch and maxed it out at 105mph for the first (and last) time.

Since I'm back, I do have a question for you wise ones.
The speedo has started acting irradically; sometimes registering VERY high
(90 mph @ 20mph), sometimes registering normal, and most of the time not
working at all. It may do all three in a 20 mile drive. As and aside, the
trip odometer has quit working and the odometer does work but always seems
to register "between" numbers on the thousands scale. It never quite "clicks
in" to the proper number, but is always halfway between. Any suggestions on
causes?
It's good to be back.
Monte Morris
_______________________________________________

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From mjanacek at snet.net  Wed Nov 17 16:06:47 2010
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:06:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Several year hiatus
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiniFBCoQ47Dr6bXO9tmp+-64wgQnF=Q6jU+u+vj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiniFBCoQ47Dr6bXO9tmp+-64wgQnF=Q6jU+u+vj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE46007.6060601@snet.net>

Hi Monte. Good to see a fellow older member back on the list.
Mike (also retired)
'79B

On 11/17/2010 3:30 PM, Monte/Jane Morris wrote:
> Hi again,
> I'm once again back on-list after a several year absence. We've been (and
> still are) traveling in an RV much of the year and so the 79B doesn't get
> over 2-3000 miles/year of use. I've not had any problems with the B for the
> last 2-3 years; just fill it with gas and oil and drive.
> Here is a little background for those of you "old" members who may have
> forgotten me (where DID that short-term memory go?:) and for those new
> members in the past several years.
> I bought a 68B in 1972 and drove it until our first born was due in 1979. We
> bought the current 79B in 2001, and a 67B (off Ebay; flew to Seattle and
> drove it home to Missouri) in 2002.  I HAD the same "disease" many of you
> have, but I'm mostly cured now:)
> Since we both retired from teaching in 2005 and are doing a lot of
> travelling, we decided to sell the 67B in 06 to a good home instead of
> having two of them sit in the garage most of the year.
> I've done some work on the 79B since I've owned it. In 2003, I had the body
> stripped down to bare metal, new rockers welded in, the "crack of doom"
> fixed, and a nice Carmine paint job reapplied as well as the wheels powder
> coated. This for the lowly sum of $2000; you city dwellers eat your hearts
> out!
>
> I bought a 74 parts car and used the SU's (after rebuilding) to replace the
> ZS carb in the 79. After numerous problems with the original electronic
> ignition and advice from list members,  I switched to the points carb from
> the parts car and it's been mostly trouble-free since. It is de-smogged. I
> did a complete brake overhaul.
> It runs well. In fact, last summer after installing new tires I took it out
> to a flat stretch and maxed it out at 105mph for the first (and last) time.
>
> Since I'm back, I do have a question for you wise ones.
> The speedo has started acting irradically; sometimes registering VERY high
> (90 mph @ 20mph), sometimes registering normal, and most of the time not
> working at all. It may do all three in a 20 mile drive. As and aside, the
> trip odometer has quit working and the odometer does work but always seems
> to register "between" numbers on the thousands scale. It never quite "clicks
> in" to the proper number, but is always halfway between. Any suggestions on
> causes?
> It's good to be back.
> Monte Morris
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>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 01:45:10 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:45:10 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Brake rotor issue
References: <AANLkTikLdPHhKc5mH3SR8qx4PS2-uNeZbtZHvTOM85dB@mail.gmail.com><117F938E-883A-4B96-9908-D5EEAF4F78B5@ece.rochester.edu><159B7FEB-AA71-4133-9EAC-204FF6162889@gmail.com><201011171018452.SM01420@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
	<F7836C7C-11EA-4AD3-BAE9-C083A09C9B7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDD17ED2065F486DAF502C75BC7AEB3F@paul>

Good grief!  And there was me thinking Peter was being insulting by not 
putting a smiley when asking the question ...

Are you sure you are happy with that chap working on your brakes?

----- Original Message ----- 
> I just got a phone call from my buddy. He was trying to mount the rotor 
> from
> the wrong side.
>
>> Is he putting the rotor on the correct side of the hub?

From DMatt21502 at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 18:23:43 2010
From: DMatt21502 at aol.com (DMatt21502 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:23:43 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Distributor Cap Solution
Message-ID: <150c56.1d263b84.3a172b9f@aol.com>

I tried to start my 77 MG this morning for the first time in a month. It  
wouldn't fire at all. Checked for spark and it wasn't getting any. I popped  
the distributor cap and everything looked fine except the button in the 
center  appeared to be pushed in a bit too far. I pulled on it and the button 
and spring  came out. It felt slightly oily so I cleaned it and stretched the 
spring  slightly to give it a bit more tension. After reinstalling it the 
car fired  right up. I have had trouble starting this car in cold weather for 
a couple of  years so maybe this will solve the problem. This was a quick 
easy fix for an  annoying problem.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Nov 19 02:05:46 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:05:46 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Distributor Cap Solution
References: <150c56.1d263b84.3a172b9f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <18D8E31E739748109047215B26692ADC@paul>

May well have been coincidental.  The button would have to be about 1/4" 
away from the rotor before it would stop the spark, unless you have other 
ignition issues causing a weak spark.  That's not to say caps don't go bad, 
a pal had a new cap and a few miles later it started missing.  When he 
eventually got round to looking under the new cap he found the button 
missing altogether and just the spring had been on the rotor till that burnt 
down, also burning the rotor.  Changed the cap and the rotor and went 
merrily on his way, only to start missing again until it cut out altogether 
a few miles later.  That turned out to be the new rotor!

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Checked for spark and it wasn't getting any. I popped
> the distributor cap and everything looked fine except the button in the
> center  appeared to be pushed in a bit too far. 

From don at napanet.net  Sat Nov 20 15:24:06 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:24:06 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] "Ran When Parked"
Message-ID: <20101120222414.A2FC2AE665@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

/4Yy3wb: Permission denied

From don at napanet.net  Sat Nov 20 15:50:23 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:50:23 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
Message-ID: <20101120225030.F22C4AE669@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Ran When Parked: Advice and Adventures from the Affordable Underbelly 
of Car Collecting - by Rob Sass [Paperback]

The title of the book made me laugh, and piqued my interest enough to 
take a look inside the book.  Too many times I've seen that term used 
to describe a car for sale.

I just finished reading the book, and I must say that it is is a 
great book on buying and owning old cars that are are not, and 
probably never will be considered exotics.  The author writes for 
Sports Car Market magazine, and his journalism skills are 
fantastic.  A lot of the book is about cars he has found and 
purchased, and what he encountered in the process.  He has a knack 
for finding nice unmolested original cars at reasonable prices, then 
fixing them up a bit, enjoying them for a period of time, then 
selling for a profit.  He doesn't get rich off this, but it is 
apparent he loves the chase as much as the conquest.

Cars that are discussed in the book include everything from Alfa 
Romeos to Volvos.  However, British cars get proportionally more 
pages than cars from other places.  He has sections of the book 
devoted to MG Midget, MGB, Spitfire, Jensen Healy, TVR, Daimler 
SP-250, TR4, MGB, Sunbeam Alpine, TR6, Jaguar XJ6, and Jag XKE.


http://www.amazon.com/Ran-When-Parked-Adventures-Affordable/dp/0981727042




Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Nov 20 18:46:42 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:46:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
In-Reply-To: <20101120225030.F22C4AE669@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20101120225030.F22C4AE669@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07618390@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I think I'll have to check this book out. It depends - what are "nice
unmolested cars"? I have bought several "ran when parked" cars that sat
for years. And every one of them might have "ran when parked" but there
was always a reason why they were parked and left - either a serious
mechanical problem or a series of lesser accumulated problems. The MGBs
I bought that "ran when parked" were always on their death bed usually
with enough problems to make them not worth the trouble of repairing by
the DPOs. My 64B is one - I fixed a number of problems, some
pre-existing and some age related (rotting rubber). But the engine
itself is also worn - probably still good for a few thousand miles or
more but an overhaul is definitely in its future. Still, a nice car. I
brought it back to life and have put maybe 50 miles on it while I
continue to restore it - not to beauty but to a nice driver.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:50 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked

Ran When Parked: Advice and Adventures from the Affordable Underbelly of
Car Collecting - by Rob Sass [Paperback]

The title of the book made me laugh, and piqued my interest enough to
take a look inside the book.  Too many times I've seen that term used to
describe a car for sale.

I just finished reading the book, and I must say that it is is a great
book on buying and owning old cars that are are not, and probably never
will be considered exotics.  The author writes for Sports Car Market
magazine, and his journalism skills are fantastic.  A lot of the book is
about cars he has found and purchased, and what he encountered in the
process.  He has a knack for finding nice unmolested original cars at
reasonable prices, then fixing them up a bit, enjoying them for a period
of time, then selling for a profit.  He doesn't get rich off this, but
it is apparent he loves the chase as much as the conquest.

Cars that are discussed in the book include everything from Alfa Romeos
to Volvos.  However, British cars get proportionally more pages than
cars from other places.  He has sections of the book devoted to MG
Midget, MGB, Spitfire, Jensen Healy, TVR, Daimler SP-250, TR4, MGB,
Sunbeam Alpine, TR6, Jaguar XJ6, and Jag XKE.


http://www.amazon.com/Ran-When-Parked-Adventures-Affordable/dp/098172704
2




Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 21:34:37 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:34:37 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>

I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.

Looking at the key profiles on this page:
http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
it could be either AA or RV

The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
the lock or looking at the tip of the key?

Simon

From sgorr2 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 20 21:55:46 2010
From: sgorr2 at comcast.net (Steve Gorr)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:55:46 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb8938$5cd15e30$16741a90$@net>

I think it is looking at the end of the key.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Matthews
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:35 PM
To: MGS
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks

I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.

Looking at the key profiles on this page:
http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
it could be either AA or RV

The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
the lock or looking at the tip of the key?

Simon
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From don at napanet.net  Sat Nov 20 22:36:38 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:36:38 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07618390@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu>
References: <20101120225030.F22C4AE669@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07618390@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <20101121053645.0A30EAE664@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

The title of the book is meant in jest in reference to the way people 
advertise their old cars.  The cars in the book are not basket-case 
or castaway cars.

The cars that the author does discuss are decent ones which he 
purchased, but they often come with a few issues and/or some 
needs.  But those issues or needs are assessed at time of purchase, 
so that he avoids being upside down financially in the cars .

The term "ran when parked" just refers to the silly kind of terms 
people use in the ads they place for cars.  There is a page in the 
book devoted to definitions of such ad terms as-

Needs a Little TLC:  See Needs Everything
Smokes a LIttle:  These usually turn out to be chain smokers with a 
quart-a-day habit.
Diamond in the Rough:  Emphasis is always on the "rough" 
part.  See:  Needs a Little TLC.
Ran When Parked:  Means that the car struggled into a 
field/alley/steel building/barn/garage ten years ago then expired.






At 05:46 PM 11/20/2010, Councill, David wrote:
>I think I'll have to check this book out. It depends - what are "nice
>unmolested cars"? I have bought several "ran when parked" cars that sat
>for years. And every one of them might have "ran when parked" but there
>was always a reason why they were parked and left - either a serious
>mechanical problem or a series of lesser accumulated problems. The MGBs
>I bought that "ran when parked" were always on their death bed usually
>with enough problems to make them not worth the trouble of repairing by
>the DPOs. My 64B is one - I fixed a number of problems, some
>pre-existing and some age related (rotting rubber). But the engine
>itself is also worn - probably still good for a few thousand miles or
>more but an overhaul is definitely in its future. Still, a nice car. I
>brought it back to life and have put maybe 50 miles on it while I
>continue to restore it - not to beauty but to a nice driver.
>
>David Councill
>64 B
>67 BGT
>72 B
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Don
>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:50 PM
>To: mgs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
>
>Ran When Parked: Advice and Adventures from the Affordable Underbelly of
>Car Collecting - by Rob Sass [Paperback]
>
>The title of the book made me laugh, and piqued my interest enough to
>take a look inside the book.  Too many times I've seen that term used to
>describe a car for sale.
>
>I just finished reading the book, and I must say that it is is a great
>book on buying and owning old cars that are are not, and probably never
>will be considered exotics.  The author writes for Sports Car Market
>magazine, and his journalism skills are fantastic.  A lot of the book is
>about cars he has found and purchased, and what he encountered in the
>process.  He has a knack for finding nice unmolested original cars at
>reasonable prices, then fixing them up a bit, enjoying them for a period
>of time, then selling for a profit.  He doesn't get rich off this, but
>it is apparent he loves the chase as much as the conquest.
>
>Cars that are discussed in the book include everything from Alfa Romeos
>to Volvos.  However, British cars get proportionally more pages than
>cars from other places.  He has sections of the book devoted to MG
>Midget, MGB, Spitfire, Jensen Healy, TVR, Daimler SP-250, TR4, MGB,
>Sunbeam Alpine, TR6, Jaguar XJ6, and Jag XKE.
>
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Ran-When-Parked-Adventures-Affordable/dp/098172704
>2
>
>
>
>
>Don Scott
>Calistoga CA USA
>1966 TR4A
>1962 MGA Mk 2
>1973 MGB GT (selling)
>1963-7 MGB (seeking)
>Misc. Japanese cars
>_______________________________________________

From mjanacek at snet.net  Sun Nov 21 02:29:10 2010
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:29:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE8E666.4060601@snet.net>

Tip of the key. Here is another site for keys:
http://www.triple-c.com/Keys_-_Replacement.cfm
Mike
'79B

On 11/20/2010 11:34 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.
>
> Looking at the key profiles on this page:
> http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
> it could be either AA or RV
>
> The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
> the lock or looking at the tip of the key?
>
> Simon

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 21 08:11:25 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 07:11:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <824729.61746.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Pete Groh is the British car key guy.....

http://britishcarkeys.com/

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com>
To: MGS <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 11:34:37 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks

I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.

Looking at the key profiles on this page:
http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
it could be either AA or RV

The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
the lock or looking at the tip of the key?

Simon
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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Nov 21 10:53:13 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.c om>
References: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1PKE6O-0008EH-Kt@beta.look.ca>

Simon,

Go to www.britcot.com - page 5 !!  He has all the Brit keys !!


At 11:34 PM 11/20/2010, Simon Matthews wrote:
>I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.
>
>Looking at the key profiles on this page:
>http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
>it could be either AA or RV
>
>The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
>the lock or looking at the tip of the key?
>
>Simon
>_______________________________________________
>
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705--721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Nov 21 10:49:37 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07618390@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu>
References: <20101120225030.F22C4AE669@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F07618390@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <E1PKE6O-0008EH-7f@beta.look.ca>

David,
I think MGBs get a little paranoid when they are parked for a long 
time.  I bought my daughter a nice roadster and she used it 
constantly for ages without a problem.  Then she parked it neatly in 
the driveway out of the way and trundled off to finish 
university.  It sat for over a year and it was decided to sell it.  A 
very good friend of mine bought it because he had seen it around, 
going well, and checked with the car's garage shop place.  They said 
"great car".   He bought it and had an awful lot of trouble with it - 
never out of the shop.  It just seemed to resent being driven !!!  I 
tell you, those little bundles of joy have feelings !




At 08:46 PM 11/20/2010, Councill, David wrote:
>I think I'll have to check this book out. It depends - what are "nice
>unmolested cars"? I have bought several "ran when parked" cars that sat
>for years. And every one of them might have "ran when parked" but there
>was always a reason why they were parked and left - either a serious
>mechanical problem or a series of lesser accumulated problems. The MGBs
>I bought that "ran when parked" were always on their death bed usually
>with enough problems to make them not worth the trouble of repairing by
>the DPOs. My 64B is one - I fixed a number of problems, some
>pre-existing and some age related (rotting rubber). But the engine
>itself is also worn - probably still good for a few thousand miles or
>more but an overhaul is definitely in its future. Still, a nice car. I
>brought it back to life and have put maybe 50 miles on it while I
>continue to restore it - not to beauty but to a nice driver.
>
>David Councill
>64 B
>67 BGT
>72 B
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Don
>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:50 PM
>To: mgs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Mgs] Ran When Parked
>
>Ran When Parked: Advice and Adventures from the Affordable Underbelly of
>Car Collecting - by Rob Sass [Paperback]
>
>The title of the book made me laugh, and piqued my interest enough to
>take a look inside the book.  Too many times I've seen that term used to
>describe a car for sale.
>
>I just finished reading the book, and I must say that it is is a great
>book on buying and owning old cars that are are not, and probably never
>will be considered exotics.  The author writes for Sports Car Market
>magazine, and his journalism skills are fantastic.  A lot of the book is
>about cars he has found and purchased, and what he encountered in the
>process.  He has a knack for finding nice unmolested original cars at
>reasonable prices, then fixing them up a bit, enjoying them for a period
>of time, then selling for a profit.  He doesn't get rich off this, but
>it is apparent he loves the chase as much as the conquest.
>
>Cars that are discussed in the book include everything from Alfa Romeos
>to Volvos.  However, British cars get proportionally more pages than
>cars from other places.  He has sections of the book devoted to MG
>Midget, MGB, Spitfire, Jensen Healy, TVR, Daimler SP-250, TR4, MGB,
>Sunbeam Alpine, TR6, Jaguar XJ6, and Jag XKE.
>
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Ran-When-Parked-Adventures-Affordable/dp/098172704
>2
>
>
>
>
>Don Scott
>Calistoga CA USA
>1966 TR4A
>1962 MGA Mk 2
>1973 MGB GT (selling)
>1963-7 MGB (seeking)
>Misc. Japanese cars
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 11:56:47 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:56:47 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Key blanks
In-Reply-To: <E1PKE6O-0008EH-Kt@beta.look.ca>
References: <AANLkTin_WwdpT=djjne0-9D3dNm3__vdwBcwK8NhfYa1@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1PKE6O-0008EH-Kt@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=eude251rAP_SMgQi0cUsZhUPZu+vYjMQJ1-YH@mail.gmail.com>

I have already contacted him, because I also need some door keys, for
which I do have the number. He hasn't responded yet. I couldn't see
anything on his site that would help me figure out what blank I need
for the ignition key.

Simon

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:
> Simon,
>
> Go to www.britcot.com - page 5 !!  He has all the Brit keys !!
>
>
> At 11:34 PM 11/20/2010, Simon Matthews wrote:
>>
>> I need to get another key for my recently acquired '71 MGBGT.
>>
>> Looking at the key profiles on this page:
>>
>>
http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=3
>> it could be either AA or RV
>>
>> The question is: for the profiles, are these profiles when looking at
>> the lock or looking at the tip of the key?
>>
>> Simon
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>
> Regards
>
> Barrie
> barrie at look.ca
> 705--721-9060

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 14:03:52 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:03:52 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>

My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
(it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
instructions on doing this.

Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?

Simon

From lundgren at byu.net  Sun Nov 21 14:33:28 2010
From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew B. Lundgren)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:33:28 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE99028.2070507@byu.net>

I would be more leery of a failed heater core...

On 11/21/2010 2:03 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
> (it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
> entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
> there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
> have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
> instructions on doing this.
>
> Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?
>
> Simon
> _______________________________________________
>
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 21 15:23:57 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:23:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C90EDBFD.2D8FF%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

There is a rubber tube with a squeeze bulb on the end at the bottom of the
air box. You can reach it from under the car.

I don't understand the purpose of the squeeze bulb -- it just fills up with
grunge that requires cleaning out. Why not just have an open tube? But there
it is.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 11/21/10 1:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:

> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
> (it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
> entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
> there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
> have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
> instructions on doing this.
> 
> Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?
> 
> Simon

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 15:43:30 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:43:30 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <4CE99028.2070507@byu.net>
References: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CE99028.2070507@byu.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=URs8aAp_Arwer0FG8ErtCUFXvDtm04btjdSRN@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think so.

There is no smell of antifreeze and the water appears after being
rained upon, not after driving.

Simon

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren <lundgren at byu.net> wrote:
> I would be more leery of a failed heater core...
>
> On 11/21/2010 2:03 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
>>
>> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
>> (it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
>> entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
>> there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
>> have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
>> instructions on doing this.
>>
>> Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?
>>
>> Simon
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From mjanacek at snet.net  Sun Nov 21 16:53:25 2010
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <C90EDBFD.2D8FF%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C90EDBFD.2D8FF%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4CE9B0F5.4090805@snet.net>

My understanding is that the knob was to prevent any exhaust fumes from 
entering the cockpit.
Mike
'79B

On 11/21/2010 5:23 PM, Max Heim wrote:
> There is a rubber tube with a squeeze bulb on the end at the bottom of the
> air box. You can reach it from under the car.
>
> I don't understand the purpose of the squeeze bulb -- it just fills up with
> grunge that requires cleaning out. Why not just have an open tube? But there
> it is.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
>
> on 11/21/10 1:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
>> (it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
>> entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
>> there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
>> have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
>> instructions on doing this.
>>
>> Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?
>>
>> Simon
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From mjanacek at snet.net  Sun Nov 21 17:01:03 2010
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim0CGyV5he9jTE9UDPOJuP6c4Aa85krjDQDY_0k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE9B2BF.1020602@snet.net>

What I did was use a piece of wire coat hanger with a small 45 degree 
bend in one end and chuck up the other end in a drill.
Run the wire down the drain, located on the right inside of the fresh 
air vent, and turn on the drill pushing with a down/up motion to clear 
the drain tube.
Mike
'79B

On 11/21/2010 4:03 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
> (it drips off the panel under the dash). I assume this is due to water
> entering the heater vent in from of the windscreen and leaking from
> there into the car. I seem to recall that the heater air intake should
> have some water drains that need periodic cleaning, but I can't find
> instructions on doing this.
>
> Can anyone help me with instructions on how to clear these drains?
>
> Simon
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 21 18:09:58 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:09:58 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <4CE9B0F5.4090805@snet.net>
Message-ID: <C90F02E6.2D90D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Ah, that makes sense...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 11/21/10 3:53 PM, Mike Janacek at mjanacek at snet.net wrote:

> My understanding is that the knob was to prevent any exhaust fumes from
> entering the cockpit.
> Mike
> '79B
> 
> On 11/21/2010 5:23 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>> There is a rubber tube with a squeeze bulb on the end at the bottom of the
>> air box. You can reach it from under the car.
>> 
>> I don't understand the purpose of the squeeze bulb -- it just fills up with
>> grunge that requires cleaning out. Why not just have an open tube? But there
>> it is.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Nov 21 19:13:59 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <C90F02E6.2D90D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4CE9B0F5.4090805@snet.net> <C90F02E6.2D90D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E1PKLv0-0007op-Mf@theta.look.ca>

Max,

No that does not make sense !  The drain tube goes up to the intake 
so no exhaust fumes there. The bulb is probably there to allow a 
"squeeze".  So squeezing it blew out any blockages - obviously 
designed by a nitwit !  Perhaps someone thought a BIG blob of water 
held in the blob would force out a constriction. But hydraulics says 
it is not the area or mass but the depth that counts - thus a tube 
would have been fine.  It is all so simple - tube to allow water to 
drain out - blockage removed by pokey-up wire. Nothing simpler.


At 08:09 PM 11/21/2010, Max Heim wrote:
>Ah, that makes sense...
>
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
>on 11/21/10 3:53 PM, Mike Janacek at mjanacek at snet.net wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that the knob was to prevent any exhaust fumes from
> > entering the cockpit.
> > Mike
> > '79B
> >
> > On 11/21/2010 5:23 PM, Max Heim wrote:
> >> There is a rubber tube with a squeeze bulb on the end at the bottom of the
> >> air box. You can reach it from under the car.
> >>
> >> I don't understand the purpose of the squeeze bulb -- it just 
> fills up with
> >> grunge that requires cleaning out. Why not just have an open 
> tube? But there
> >> it is.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Max Heim
> >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> >> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>_______________________________________________
>
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From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Sun Nov 21 21:47:04 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:47:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
Message-ID: <4CE9F5C8.50709@comcast.net>

Remember, a lot of the parts used on the cars were off the shelf and 
used with other marques. It's the same drainage tube on our '71 XJ6. 
Same diameter and length. The tube really is designed to block ENGINE 
fumes, not just exhaust. The tube is NLA from anywhere, so if it goes 
trashed it can't be replaced. I guess you could replace it with a plain 
tube but be careful of where you terminate the end. And be careful when 
cleaning that you don't trash it. The coathanger gag bent at 45 deg. 
works well but I'd be a little leery of the drill part. Not needed. 
Bending the other end so you can twist it is all you need. If the tube 
looks a little dicey you might substitute a piece of 12 ga. solid core 
electrical wire and leave the insulation on.

Glenn

> From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
> To: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>,MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <E1PKLv0-0007op-Mf at theta.look.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Max,
>
> No that does not make sense !  The drain tube goes up to the intake
> so no exhaust fumes there.

Glenn

-- 


"We won't get fooled again."

			The Who

Glenn Schnittke

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov 22 04:47:26 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:47:26 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
References: <4CE9B0F5.4090805@snet.net> <C90F02E6.2D90D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<E1PKLv0-0007op-Mf@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <A47E2AEDD3B247B789873B1144825C5E@paul>

The slit in the end of the tube is to prevent fumes getting drawn up from 
the engine compartment into the heater system and thence the cabin.  It was 
also fitted to 80s and 90s Metros, at least.  Whether the bulb on the end is 
to squeeze gunge out or not is a moot point on the MGB as it isn't that easy 
to get to.  And in any case you could open up the slit simply by pressing on 
the sides of a plain tube, the bulb perversely makes it *less* likely to 
eject gunge that way as it will hold a larger lump.

Look in the air intake, if you can see water lying there the drain is 
blocked.  If not then pour some water in and see if it runs out immediately. 
If not then it is partially blocked.  The drain is at the right-hand end, 
and bit of 1/4" or so dowel poked in should locate the depression which is 
the top of the tube.  Photos here 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/heatertext.htm#airb
Much easier to clear from above, unless getting a face and arm-full of 
rotting vegetation and insect life floats your boat.  Once you have the 
dowel through pour clean water in from the top until it runs clean from the 
bottom.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> No that does not make sense !  The drain tube goes up to the intake so no
> exhaust fumes there. The bulb is probably there to allow a "squeeze". 

From allenhess at mgcarclub.com  Mon Nov 22 06:47:29 2010
From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15710.1290392024.22018.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15710.1290392024.22018.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <6B93934D-0F8C-4971-9622-09E46889726E@mgcarclub.com>

In my experience it turned out to be the the rubber gasket sealing the  
windshield wiper wheelbox to the body.

On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:13 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

>
> My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
> (it drips off the panel under the dash). . . .

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Nov 22 10:16:16 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:16:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
In-Reply-To: <6B93934D-0F8C-4971-9622-09E46889726E@mgcarclub.com>
References: <mailman.15710.1290392024.22018.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<6B93934D-0F8C-4971-9622-09E46889726E@mgcarclub.com>
Message-ID: <E1PKcx0-0004ct-TQ@iota.look.ca>

Ah yes!  That too - I put Dum-Dum under the rubber grommet and that 
stuff never ever has let me down.  My box (25 years old) of it still 
has "fresh" strips of it and it never dries out - fabulous sealer


At 08:47 AM 11/22/2010, Allen Hess wrote:
>In my experience it turned out to be the the rubber gasket sealing the
>windshield wiper wheelbox to the body.
>
>On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:13 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>
>>
>>My recently acquired MGB is leaking water into the passenger footwell
>>(it drips off the panel under the dash). . . .
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
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705--721-9060 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov 22 07:41:19 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:41:19 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] clearing the drains in the heater system
References: <mailman.15710.1290392024.22018.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<6B93934D-0F8C-4971-9622-09E46889726E@mgcarclub.com>
Message-ID: <480867C77E5E4EBBBD51B3D6CE017210@paul>

Or the screen washer nozzle, or the screen seal, or the pedal box seal, and 
so on.

----- Original Message ----- 
> In my experience it turned out to be the the rubber gasket sealing the 
> windshield wiper wheelbox to the body.

From don at napanet.net  Tue Nov 23 22:08:26 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:08:26 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Avenging Vehicles
Message-ID: <20101124050842.34664AE673@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

/c3sXAa: Permission denied

From don at napanet.net  Tue Nov 23 22:12:02 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:12:02 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Avenging Vehicles
Message-ID: <20101124051214.7C5C8AE673@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

This is a site devoted to the cars of the Avenger TV show.

http://theavengers.tv/forever/cars.htm








Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  

From thgun at comporium.net  Wed Nov 24 09:47:26 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA master cylinder rebuild
Message-ID: <52B681F2F07F47FDB9B3FC0EA3FB5A82@TOMPC>

Wher can I see a good diagram of the order to reinsert the cylinder pistons
and springs?
Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA rst.

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Nov 24 11:48:32 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:48:32 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] MGA master cylinder rebuild
Message-ID: <20101124.134832.20682.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

  Check Fig. M.2  and MMM.2 in the workshop manual. Orientation of the rubber
bits and the pistons is shown in both illustrations.  Another place to look
would be Barney's encyclopaedia of useful MG information,  MGAGuru, and poke
around in the index.Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tom Gunderson" <thgun at comporium.net>
To: "Mga List" <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] MGA master cylinder rebuild
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:47:26 -0500

Wher can I see a good diagram of the order to reinsert the cylinder pistons
and springs?
Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA rst.
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From don at napanet.net  Wed Nov 24 19:11:31 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:11:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
Message-ID: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

>Just got this from my buddy Rick Feibusch, and also saw it on MG 
>Experience MGB forum.  If you haven't looked at the webpage, it is a 
>must see.
>This car is unusual- a custom unlike any other.
>
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220701120192&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220701120192&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
>














Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Nov 24 20:14:14 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <9FDFDAA7-58BF-4859-A50E-43A6AEB9A782@gmail.com>

That is or should be a crime against humanity.
I think that that guy should be nominated as the DPO of the century.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 18:11, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

>> Just got this from my buddy Rick Feibusch, and also saw it on MG
>> Experience MGB forum.  If you haven't looked at the webpage, it is a
>> must see.
>> This car is unusual- a custom unlike any other.
>>
>>
>>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220701120192&f
romMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot
ors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220701120192&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName
=VIP:watchlink:top:en
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga CA USA
> 1966 TR4A
> 1962 MGA Mk 2
> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
> 1963-7 MGB (seeking)
> Misc. Japanese cars
> _______________________________________________
>
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From ddarby at centurytel.net  Wed Nov 24 21:40:38 2010
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 22:40:38 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>

How on earth does the thought process leading to this outcome work?

David

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Wed Nov 24 21:45:58 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:45:58 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <1C884EEE-933C-490C-B3A9-06CBE8F55100@ghs.com.au>

Lets just hope that whoever was responsible has not breed yet.....  
Lord help us if there is another generation with similar DNA?  What do  
they put in the water in California?  Even scarier is that this person  
can vote!

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia


On 25/11/2010, at 2:40 PM, David F. Darby wrote:

> How on earth does the thought process leading to this outcome work?
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
>
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From don at napanet.net  Wed Nov 24 21:50:51 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:50:51 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Head injury?  Glaucoma?
What is amazing is that the fellow is very proud of the car and 
doesn't realize that it is not going to appeal to anyone except him.

At 08:40 PM 11/24/2010, David F. Darby wrote:
>How on earth does the thought process leading to this outcome work?
>
>David
>_______________________________________________

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 25 02:53:04 2010
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:53:04 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
	<20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that, once upon a time, a company actually set out to do a 4-seater
properly:

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?1,1299136

Richard (without Sammy the '73 Black Tulip BGT - her new owner collects her
today!)

From palte at gmx.net  Thu Nov 25 03:02:08 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:02:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
	<20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101125100208.136270@gmx.net>

So, I guess from now on most of us are considered to be 

"owners of less fantastic vision"  :)


Bert


-- 
GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 &euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit 
gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Thu Nov 25 07:58:21 2010
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:58:21 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8><20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <317544B17FB74202A4461B478E8B235D@YOURF3E40984A8>

Here is one that an ambitious fellow in Chicago did some years ago. I've
seen this one in the sheet metal, and--while not my cup of tea--the
workmanship is really thorough. They sectioned in another pair of doors.

David

http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb19.jpg

http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb20.jpg

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 09:11:45 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:11:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <538879.12646.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 11/24/10, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:

> Head injury?  Glaucoma?
> What is amazing is that the fellow is very proud of the car
> and 
> doesn't
realize that it is not going to appeal to anyone
> except him.

It's all a
matter of degree.  Some would argue that
putting MGB suspension components and
a 5-speed in an
MGA is little better.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 09:45:24 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:45:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <317544B17FB74202A4461B478E8B235D@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <67361.5533.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 11/25/10, David F. Darby <ddarby at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Here is one that an ambitious fellow
> in Chicago did some years ago. I've
> seen this one in the sheet metal, and--while not my cup of
> tea--the
> workmanship is really thorough. 

I've seen this car - or one like it - somewhere here in the
Northwest.  I like this concept.  Late model MGBs are common
enough that it's not destroying a rare classic, and it's just
kind of cool in a funky kind of way.  In Palm Springs a few
years ago I saw an Avanti treated like this.  I've also seen
a late-70s Corvette turned into a four-door.  The swoops and
curves on that car are so exaggerated that it actually
looked better longer!

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Nov 25 09:51:53 2010
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:51:53 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
Message-ID: <4ce29.2b2ae9f9.3a1fee29@aol.com>

The only need to use MGB uprights in an MGA is if you don't have the  
correct MGA parts.  I found myself in that situation when I restored the  
Jamaican.  But then it was pre-tampered when I got it with the different  body 
anyway.
 
The 5 speed is non-traditional, and I prefer leaving them alone or perhaps  
using an MGB OD trans.  They will perc along at 4500  - 5000 RPM all  day 
long without harm, which some people don't seem to realize.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 11/25/2010 8:18:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
david_breneman at yahoo.com writes:

It's all  a
matter of degree.  Some would argue that
putting MGB suspension  components and
a 5-speed in an
MGA is little  better.

From v.navarrette at comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 12:07:36 2010
From: v.navarrette at comcast.net (Vance Navarrette)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:07:36 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <33490284939447A6A6B4445B643B672E@HOMEBREW1>

	By mass consumption of psycho-active substances, in my opinion.

	Vance

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David F. Darby
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:41 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?


How on earth does the thought process leading to this outcome work?

David

From v.navarrette at comcast.net  Thu Nov 25 12:23:18 2010
From: v.navarrette at comcast.net (Vance Navarrette)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:23:18 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <317544B17FB74202A4461B478E8B235D@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <000326CC01D44C228EDD16C0DA123EEA@HOMEBREW1>

	At least he had the decency to use a rubber bumper car as his
starting point. I would have been reduced to tears if it had chrome
bumpers. As it is, I can admire the sheet metal work - it seems like a
first rate job.
	I wonder if he was using the standard lump to pull it around.
Talk about anemic! Maybe he has a V8 under the hood?

	Vance

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David F. Darby
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:58 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?


Here is one that an ambitious fellow in Chicago did some years ago. I've
seen this one in the sheet metal, and--while not my cup of tea--the
workmanship is really thorough. They sectioned in another pair of doors.

David

http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb19.jpg

http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb20.jpg

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 25 12:18:11 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:18:11 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C913F673.2DA48%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I notice it is never shown with the top erected. I wonder if they ever
finished converting the top?

I particularly appreciated the sentence about how they lengthened the
floorpan, with the phrase "...to give strength as well as flexibility to the
design." I can imagine...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 11/25/10 1:53 AM, Richard Gosling at rbgosling at googlemail.com wrote:

> It seems that, once upon a time, a company actually set out to do a 4-seater
> properly:
> 
> http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?1,1299136
> 
> Richard (without Sammy the '73 Black Tulip BGT - her new owner collects her
> today!)
> _______________________________________________

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 25 12:19:57 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:19:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <538879.12646.qm@web112118.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C913F6DD.2DA49%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Oh come now. At least that wouldn't be an eyesore -- nobody would even
notice.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 11/25/10 8:11 AM, David Breneman at david_breneman at yahoo.com wrote:

> --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Don <don at napanet.net> wrote:
> 
>> Head injury?  Glaucoma?
>> What is amazing is that the fellow is very proud of the car
>> and 
>> doesn't
> realize that it is not going to appeal to anyone
>> except him.
> 
> It's all a
> matter of degree.  Some would argue that
> putting MGB suspension components and
> a 5-speed in an
> MGA is little better.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Nov 25 13:08:57 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:08:57 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <33490284939447A6A6B4445B643B672E@HOMEBREW1>
References: <33490284939447A6A6B4445B643B672E@HOMEBREW1>
Message-ID: <4CEEC259.5050806@gmail.com>

On 11/25/2010 1:07 PM, Vance Navarrette wrote:
> 	By mass consumption of psycho-active substances, in my opinion.
I've seen a lot of psychedelic art. That thing is more like too much alcohol.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Thu Nov 25 15:12:37 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:12:37 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <317544B17FB74202A4461B478E8B235D@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8><20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<317544B17FB74202A4461B478E8B235D@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <2303DC57-7D56-4407-9569-98BE5A6FF5FD@ghs.com.au>

A lot of people have way too much time on their hands....

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 26/11/2010, at 12:58 AM, David F. Darby wrote:

> Here is one that an ambitious fellow in Chicago did some years ago.  
> I've
> seen this one in the sheet metal, and--while not my cup of tea--the
> workmanship is really thorough. They sectioned in another pair of  
> doors.
>
> David
>
> http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb19.jpg
>
> http://www.themagnette.com/unibody/mgb20.jpg
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From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu Nov 25 15:23:02 2010
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel at wi.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 16:23:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <4CEEC259.5050806@gmail.com>
References: <33490284939447A6A6B4445B643B672E@HOMEBREW1>
	<4CEEC259.5050806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53031.108.123.91.249.1290723782.squirrel@wm.wi.net>

Actually, Rocky, it's Brad's and the liquid would be Don Julio.  ;-)

Anon



> On 11/25/2010 1:07 PM, Vance Navarrette wrote:
>> 	By mass consumption of psycho-active substances, in my opinion.
> I've seen a lot of psychedelic art. That thing is more like too much
> alcohol.
>
> -Rocky Frisco

From aschneider at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 25 15:52:27 2010
From: aschneider at shaw.ca (Aubrey Schneider)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:52:27 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <0AB5FFFDEE8E4169A24185B6E9676249@owneraur2ue3rs>

aschneider at shaw.ca

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Nov 26 02:07:14 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:07:14 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8><20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>

There was another one done by a well-known MG name (from the North of 
England I think) in the early 90s and shown at the Classic Car Show.  Top 
down it didn't look too bad, I had to look at it for a bit to work out where 
they had got the extra space from - it was a GT with the roof cut off. 
There is a good reason why they are not often shown with the top up, they 
look absolutely dreadful!  But the eBay one is just a laugh, I've seen 
supposedly serious 'styling exercises' carried out to far worse effect.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> It seems that, once upon a time, a company actually set out to do a 
> 4-seater
> properly:
>
> http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?1,1299136

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Fri Nov 26 07:23:37 2010
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:23:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8><20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
Message-ID: <1AD9777590064434975723792D5D690F@YOURF3E40984A8>

The MGB "limo" that I posted didn't have a top or a spare tar (that's tyre,
Paul :-). It had a serious sound system with speakers mounted on a thick
clear acrylic bulkhead between the boot and the passenger compartment.

An adult could stretch their legs in the rear compartment where they could
also enjoy the use of a mini bar and television console (I think it played
VHS tapes). IIRC the owner used the car for shows, weddings, parties,
special events and so on. I don't know that the world needs more of these
creations, but the coachwork and detailing on this one was impeccable,
whereas the subject that started this post was Franksteinian at best.

David

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Nov 26 11:11:50 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:11:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <1AD9777590064434975723792D5D690F@YOURF3E40984A8>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
	<20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
	<1AD9777590064434975723792D5D690F@YOURF3E40984A8>
Message-ID: <587373.95986.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The MGB Limo does indeed have a top (and a spare tire).  The top 
looks just about what you might expect for a stretc limo, not bad at 
all.  The engine is a slightly tweaked 1800.  It goes okay for a 
street cruiser, once you get used to driving the long wheel base (and 
large turning circle).  Photos here: http://chicagolandmgclub.com/photos/dino_p

I think it has side curtains, but have never seen them 
installed.  The owner is a professional electronics installer, reason 
for the great sound system AND the nice interior work.


At 08:23 AM 11/26/2010 -0600, David F. Darby wrote:
>The MGB "limo" that I posted didn't have a top or a spare tar 
>(that's tyre, Paul :-). It had a serious sound system with speakers 
>mounted on a thick clear acrylic bulkhead between the boot and the 
>passenger compartment.
>
>An adult could stretch their legs in the rear compartment where they 
>could also enjoy the use of a mini bar and television console. ....
>....

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 11:37:29 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:37:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net><97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8><20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
Message-ID: <4CEFFE69.9060004@gmail.com>

On 11/26/2010 3:07 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> There was another one done by a well-known MG name (from the North 
> of England I think) in the early 90s and shown at the Classic Car 
> Show.  Top down it didn't look too bad, I had to look at it for a 
> bit to work out where they had got the extra space from - it was a 
> GT with the roof cut off. There is a good reason why they are not 
> often shown with the top up, they look absolutely dreadful!  But the 
> eBay one is just a laugh, I've seen supposedly serious 'styling 
> exercises' carried out to far worse effect.
It reminds me of the "redneck conversions" I've seen on the web, like the one with a window AC unit run off a generator mounted on the trunklid.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Fri Nov 26 13:13:57 2010
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:13:57 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?
In-Reply-To: <587373.95986.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20101125021149.50ED9AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<97475183DF9B497E86A1E0C6E282BD25@YOURF3E40984A8>
	<20101125045100.B6574AE660@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<AANLkTikdR-0P_cKMygxe-cJS9rmwNENY+NcQTxaA=NGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<15711E092E114AE09267CF7BE67236AD@paul>
	<1AD9777590064434975723792D5D690F@YOURF3E40984A8>
	<587373.95986.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AC42387A886247719BCBB8EAB4BDB510@YOURF3E40984A8>

I stand corrected! Thanks Barney.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg at mgaguru.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 12:12 PM
To: David F. Darby; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Worst MGB ever?

The MGB Limo does indeed have a top (and a spare tire).  The top 
looks just about what you might expect for a stretc limo, not bad at 
all.  The engine is a slightly tweaked 1800.  It goes okay for a 
street cruiser, once you get used to driving the long wheel base (and 
large turning circle).  Photos here:
http://chicagolandmgclub.com/photos/dino_p

From kgrowler at gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 07:06:03 2010
From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:06:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Limo (Was Re:  Worst MGB ever?)
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2GhqUF+8cm1Qm3Q152iXucSCiy+5HkcQmkToT@mail.gmail.com>

Dino Perez' MGB limo does indeed have a full top. It's basically a standard
MGB top with the top panel extended and supported by two sets of stowaway
top bows. There are two vinyl snap in sections that fit between the door
windows on each side. The doors have standard door windows with electric
lift motors fitted. The only wedding I know of that the car was used in was
when my wife and I got married in October 1993, although I I have to
re-check that fact. It may also have been employed in Jon Josefek's (who
built the car with Dino) wedding a few years ago. The top had just been
completed when we got married, but he had taken the door window cranks off
the doors and had not installed the window motors yet so the ride in the
evening was a little brisk with the top erected, but the sides open. The
last I knew, the engine was still a bone stock 18V. I still laugh at the
memory of Dino running the limo in a Chicagoland MG Club autocross. It was
quite a sight to see. It's a very cool car done to a very high standard.

Kim Tonry
Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.

From dwillner at ptd.net  Sat Nov 27 09:35:19 2010
From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 70 MGB sun visor rivet question
Message-ID: <A69B4847A20A424FB0642C8DF4255C67@valued9cfc0b6f>

Went for a ride yesterday, parked it, shut the door and the driver's visor
fell off...I'm not sure if the bracket is supposed to have rivet like heads on
the front part of it or not, I think it's original. They also both stick out
about 1/4" in the back and are very symetrical. Are these part of the bracket
or part of the broken rivets?  They appear to be a clean cut so I'm assuming
they are part of the bracket, although it would take a really small rivet to
re-attach? Any ideas?  Appreciate it, thanks

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From barrie at look.ca  Sat Nov 27 16:13:26 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Indicator thingy
Message-ID: <E1PMTxX-0005DW-Mp@beta.look.ca>

I am very pleased to advise that my badly adjusted traffic indicator 
cancelling mechanism is now operating as it should.

My many thanks to those who gave me advice - much appreciated

Does anyone know of any of these cars being scrapped?

Alfa Romeo 51-54
Allard
Alvis
Armstrong Siddeley

They use the same Lucas Petrol Reserve Valve 780xxx (in the gas tank) 
as on my Aston....and I desperately need one - mine is shot

Regards,

Barrie Robinson
barrie at look.ca
705-721-9060
MGB GT V8  in great nick
Aston Martin 1955 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
www.britcot.com

From fjchinnici at comcast.net  Sun Nov 28 12:20:20 2010
From: fjchinnici at comcast.net (fjchinnici)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:20:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Bumper Question
Message-ID: <983DBF50-6EAD-436D-82F3-25F3BBEFDE51@comcast.net>

I'm restoring a low mileage 1960 MGA that is very original and I hope it to be
show quality.  Are there any reproduction bumpers worth buying or should I
plan to get my originals rechromed?  Thanks in advance for any comments and
Happy Holidays!

From don at napanet.net  Sun Nov 28 13:12:21 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:12:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] "64 & '67 MGBs estate sale in SC
Message-ID: <20101128201231.79C59AE65F@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

I posted this to the MG Experience forum a few days ago, so this may 
be redundant for many who follow the MG world on-line . . .




I keep looking for an old MGB, and I do discover 'em, but they are 
always too far away from me!
This is an estate auction in Inman SC and there are two MGB 
roadsters, both needing work/restoration. Looks like an opportunity 
to buy an early MGB for a project or for parts without having to pay 
very much.


Estate of John Clement, Deceased - SMALL ESTATE - includes 1964 & 
1967 MGs, Some Furniture, Crocks, Glassware, Yard Tools & More!

<http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.htm>http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.ht<http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.htm>m 







Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars  

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 13:12:42 2010
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:12:42 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Bumper Question
Message-ID: <23142.48c54468.3a2411ba@aol.com>

The reproductions range from absolute crap to relative crap.  If you  have 
decent restorable originals there is no question - get them  rechromed!
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 28/11/2010 11:36:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fjchinnici at comcast.net writes:

I'm  restoring a low mileage 1960 MGA that is very original and I hope it 
to  be
show quality.  Are there any reproduction bumpers worth buying or  should I
plan to get my originals rechromed?  Thanks in advance for  any comments

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Nov 29 07:41:16 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Bumper Question
In-Reply-To: <23142.48c54468.3a2411ba@aol.com>
References: <23142.48c54468.3a2411ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1PN4wP-0008LU-Hr@epsilon.look.ca>

Chroming has got stupid in Canada - I was charged $300 for a steering 
wheel where as before that is what they charged for a bumper.  But I 
hate to say it - I would never buy the reproductions


At 03:12 PM 11/28/2010, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>The reproductions range from absolute crap to relative crap.  If you  have
>decent restorable originals there is no question - get them  rechromed!
>
>Bill
>
>In a message dated 28/11/2010 11:36:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>fjchinnici at comcast.net writes:
>
>I'm  restoring a low mileage 1960 MGA that is very original and I hope it
>to  be
>show quality.  Are there any reproduction bumpers worth buying or  should I
>plan to get my originals rechromed?  Thanks in advance for  any comments
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705--721-9060 

From kgrowler at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 11:11:15 2010
From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] HIF Floats
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+nDwtc=xngMLsj58Om_=0rxt8p3rqMUCj19HH@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody know if they've made any progress in coming up with HIF floats that
don't keep taking on gas with the current fuel blends? I just had my third
sunk float in 5 years. Gets a little old. No obvious holes, but a float full
of gas nonetheless. I have to go back through my log on the car to see how
old the float that just filled up. At $25.00 a piece one would hope they
would be gas impervious. And has anyone ever figured out why the HS floats
which seem to be made of the same material don't have the same reputation
for failing that the HIF one's do?

Kim Tonry
Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.

From kgrowler at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 11:11:15 2010
From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] HIF Floats
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+nDwtc=xngMLsj58Om_=0rxt8p3rqMUCj19HH@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody know if they've made any progress in coming up with HIF floats that
don't keep taking on gas with the current fuel blends? I just had my third
sunk float in 5 years. Gets a little old. No obvious holes, but a float full
of gas nonetheless. I have to go back through my log on the car to see how
old the float that just filled up. At $25.00 a piece one would hope they
would be gas impervious. And has anyone ever figured out why the HS floats
which seem to be made of the same material don't have the same reputation
for failing that the HIF one's do?

Kim Tonry
Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 11:57:41 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:57:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] HIF Floats
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+nDwtc=xngMLsj58Om_=0rxt8p3rqMUCj19HH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=+nDwtc=xngMLsj58Om_=0rxt8p3rqMUCj19HH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2DFAD9D-6ABE-426B-81AC-BED1F0AA0A7E@gmail.com>

I rebuilt my HIFs 8 years ago. No trouble at all.

On Nov 29, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Kim Tonry wrote:

> Anybody know if they've made any progress in coming up with HIF floats that
> don't keep taking on gas with the current fuel blends? I just had my third
> sunk float in 5 years. Gets a little old. No obvious holes, but a float
full
> of gas nonetheless. I have to go back through my log on the car to see how
> old the float that just filled up. At $25.00 a piece one would hope they
> would be gas impervious. And has anyone ever figured out why the HS floats
> which seem to be made of the same material don't have the same reputation
> for failing that the HIF one's do?
>
> Kim Tonry
> Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
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>
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From v.navarrette at comcast.net  Mon Nov 29 12:19:20 2010
From: v.navarrette at comcast.net (Vance Navarrette)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:19:20 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  HIF Floats
Message-ID: <003573E794134EF1AD2F49C7E24F7BA0@HOMEBREW1>

	Kim:

	I have not collected enough mileage on my HIFs to offer any
comments on float life one way or the other.

	I would ask a couple of questions, however:

	1. Are you using any sort of fuel additive? This might impact
float life.
	2. What sort of fuel do you use locally? Lots of added ethanol?
Once again, this *might* impact the life of any polymer like a plastic
float. I don't know this for a fact, I am merely looking for possible
explanations.
	3. Are these Burlen Fuel system floats, or aftermarket
reproductions? If these are coming out of china for example, I would not
trust them.

	Overall, my experience with aftermarket parts has been uniformly
bad. e.g. Gross Jet float valves are VERY problematic - sticking issues
abound. I went back to the more expensive Burlen manufactured needle
valves after several major issues. Other issues are swelling of o-rings,
missing parts from rebuild kits, etc. I know they are more expensive,
but I have sworn off the "economy" carburetor parts forever. Lesson
learned. Sigh.

	Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Kim Tonry
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:11 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] HIF Floats


Anybody know if they've made any progress in coming up with HIF floats
that
don't keep taking on gas with the current fuel blends? I just had my
third
sunk float in 5 years. 

<snip>

Kim Tonry
Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Mon Nov 29 15:40:37 2010
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:40:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Old MGB
In-Reply-To: <117970958.1621802.1291070427202.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <112107083.1621828.1291070437049.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Don. 
I'm 40 miles away. 
I've emailed you privately about my 65 MGB several months ago 
No response. I'll sell it, but not too cheaply. 
It's not pretty, but it's my daily driver. 
Eric 
vallejo, Ca. 
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:12:21 -0800 
From: Don < don at napanet.net > 
Subject: [Mgs] "64 & '67 MGBs estate sale in SC 
To: mgs at autox.team.net 
Message-ID: < 20101128201231.79C59AE65F at mail.dsl.napanet.net > 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

I posted this to the MG Experience forum a few days ago, so this may 
be redundant for many who follow the MG world on-line . . . 




I keep looking for an old MGB, and I do discover 'em, but they are 
always too far away from me! 
This is an estate auction in Inman SC and there are two MGB 
roadsters, both needing work/restoration. Looks like an opportunity 
to buy an early MGB for a project or for parts without having to pay 
very much. 


Estate of John Clement, Deceased - SMALL ESTATE - includes 1964 & 
1967 MGs, Some Furniture, Crocks, Glassware, Yard Tools & More! 

< http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.htm > http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.ht < http://www.whamauctions.com/cal.htm >m 







Don Scott 
Calistoga CA USA 
1966 TR4A 
1962 MGA Mk 2 
1973 MGB GT (selling) 
1963-7 MGB (seeking) 
Misc. Japanese cars