From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 05:35:42 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 04:35:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com>
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ok, you're on!

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 10:55:35 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?

There may be one or two of you on the Team.Net triumph list
who have already seen this.  A recent discussion over there
resulted in a flurry of forum activity.  Maybe you MG folks
would like to do the same in the MG forum.

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27

Actually this is just shameless self promotion to get my
smiling face in front of any Hollywood talent scouts that
might be lurking on this list.


mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Mar  1 10:54:57 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:54:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com>
	<554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B8BFF71.5080503@bradakis.com>

Dan DiBiase wrote:
> Ok, you're on!
>
> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52 
> <http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52>
>  

Nice!

mjb.

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Mon Mar  1 10:50:08 2010
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] stolen Car Parts
Message-ID: <EE9AB0D18304406B8F46C0E543658E75@RickPC>

Just received the following - please keep an eye out for these parts:

My twenty five year collection of MGA, MGB, and Austin Healey Sprite
parts was stolen from my farm in North east Mississippi last Thursday
Feb 11th. I have many 948, 1098, 1500, and 1800 MG engines and
gearboxes. I had one huge crate of SU carbs, many wires wheels sets, top
bow assemblies, axle shafts, gauges of all types, Jaeger, Smith's,
etc.........I think you get the picture. The cops are involved and I am
trying to go through the proper channels in hopes that some crack head
or doper has not scrapped everything.
If anyone on this board in the southeast is offered anything via
Craigslist or EBAY that originates in this area please let me know.
To ad insult to injury the crooks came back and took my brothers 1959
Austin Healey Sprite body assembly.
I took the VIN plate off many years ago so it would not get lost in the
restoration process but I need to dig for the Heritage spec sheet with
the body number that is in the door jamb.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
John Robertson
Riverside, CA
951.515.3678

Rick
Webmaster for:
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
Registers

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Mar  1 12:10:29 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com><554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B8BFF71.5080503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>

In 2006 I have visited the Boston area for the 2nd time and for the 2nd time 
a group of listers celebrated this.
Hope to be able to repeat this happening somewhere else in the USA 
someday...

http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?


> Dan DiBiase wrote:
>> Ok, you're on!
>>
>> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52 
>> <http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52>
>>
>
> Nice!
>
> mjb.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 13:54:02 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:54:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com><554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B8BFF71.5080503@bradakis.com>
	<6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <533439.68785.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure everyone looks the same after 8 years, Hans! ;-)

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 2:10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?

In 2006 I have visited the Boston area for the 2nd time and for the 2nd time a group of listers celebrated this.
Hope to be able to repeat this happening somewhere else in the USA someday...

http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?


> Dan DiBiase wrote:
>> Ok, you're on!
>> 
>> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52 <http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52>
>> 
> 
> Nice!
> 
> mjb.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Mar  1 14:06:23 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:06:23 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com><554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B8BFF71.5080503@bradakis.com>
	<6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>
	<533439.68785.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6B1B3CA760A47D4BD0C36314D02D72E@uw471de61b465c>

Maybe, but we remain young @ heart Dan!
And I'm sure Ed still looks very similar - he still sends some typical
emails.....
Sometimes I even go back to 1970, where I went on my Puch moped after my 16th
birthday.
At January 2006 I bought myself again such a nice hippy bike.
With it I got a totally rusted wreck, which I restored in 2008.
These mopeds were advertised at the cinema with background music of Iron
Butterfly's In-a-gadda-da-vida!

Cheers,

Hans

1971 BGT w/w nrg autumn leaf - the optional ashtray is left out - smokers
prohibited.
1970 Puch MS50V Skyhunter
1973 Puch MV50 Skytrack

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dan DiBiase
  To: Hans Duinhoven ; Mark J Bradakis ; MG LIST
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?


  I'm not sure everyone looks the same after 8 years, Hans! ;-)


  Dan D
  Central NJ USA
  '76 MGB Tourer
  '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
  NAMGBR #5-2328
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
  http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
  http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
  http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
  twitter: dandibiase






-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
  To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>; MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 2:10:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?

  In 2006 I have visited the Boston area for the 2nd time and for the 2nd time
a group of listers celebrated this.
  Hope to be able to repeat this happening somewhere else in the USA
someday...

  http://www.ttalk.info/hans2.htm

  Cheers,

  Hans

  71 BGT

  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
  To: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?


  > Dan DiBiase wrote:
  >> Ok, you're on!
  >>
  >> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52
<http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28&p=52#p52>
  >>
  >
  > Nice!
  >
  > mjb.

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Mar  1 18:53:58 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:53:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>
References: <4B8B3AB7.1000804@bradakis.com><554946.88718.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B8BFF71.5080503@bradakis.com>
	<6171C1F0BC6D4366B679A85A84975B55@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <4B8C6FB6.9020208@justbrits.com>

<< Maybe, but we remain young @ heart Dan!
And I'm sure Ed still looks very similar...  >>

Amen and OF COURSE, Hans !!!   LOL

You forgot a Link from yer visit <G> !!!

http://www.justbrits.com/speccars.html

Cheers....

Ed

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 19:41:12 2010
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:41:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <4B8C6FB6.9020208@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <488788.12493.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Now I really feel bad we had to miss the second coming of Hans!
Carl

--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Shop at " Just Brits " <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

From: Shop at " Just Brits " <shop at justbrits.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Who are you?
To: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:53 PM

<< Maybe, but we remain young @ heart Dan!
And I'm sure Ed still looks very similar...  >>

Amen and OF COURSE, Hans !!!   LOL

You forgot a Link from yer visit <G> !!!

http://www.justbrits.com/speccars.html

Cheers....

Ed
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Tue Mar  2 22:39:31 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:39:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher
Message-ID: <4B8DF613.1000108@cox.net>

Does anyone know where the turn signal flasher is mounted on a '69 BGT? 
Mine has gone out, and doesn't make the clicking noise anymore, and I 
can't get my head far enough under the dashboard to locate it.

Thanks,
Dave Ambrose

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar  3 01:48:31 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher
References: <4B8DF613.1000108@cox.net>
Message-ID: <18198E4033814E3D9F2EE82F2182C98B@paul>

On 73s it is pushed into a spring-clip screwed to the lower edge of the 
firewall behind the dash.  In front of the driver on RHD, I can never 
remember if it moves for LHD.  Green and light-green/brown wires, not to be 
confused with the instrument voltage regulator which has green and 
light-green/green wires and is screwed directly to the firewall i.e. not 
pushed into a spring-clip.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Does anyone know where the turn signal flasher is mounted on a '69 BGT?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar  3 02:19:41 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:19:41 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Meanderings
Message-ID: <4811EEEA25F4491DBC19D7217477E5FA@paul>

While touring Australia I came across a copy of the Adelaide Hills magazine
which included a humorous article on a Christmas (summer remember) day trip
from the Adelaide Hills to the Murray River and back, penned by a 'Mr Toad',
in which Mrs Toad had insisted on going in the MGB.  I won't repeat it all,
but some parts raised a smile:

"William Morris built his reputation on the Morris Cowley, then a
promotion-seeking minion took it upon himself to paint one in bright colours,
add lots of polished alloy, soup-up it's engine, and present it for Morris's
approval.  Almost speechless, he could only manage 'My God!'.  And the cars
have been known as MGs ever since."

"Mrs Toad was woken with a start when the MGB's exhaust crackles off the rock
walls.  In the 1960s the British Motor Corporation graded their cars by the
noise of the exhausts:  the Morris Minor made a gentle farting sound, the
Wolseley a more refined burble, while the most intrusive racket was reserved
for the MGB.  This gave occupants a fashionable headache and an illusion of
power.  MG's motto was 'Safety Fast' - safety assured by the fact that the
cars did not go very fast at all."

After too long with Mrs Toad sampling the products of a local winery in the
afternoon in rising temperatures (it was 43C/109F while we were there) Toad
comments "I have my usual tussle with Mr Lucas's electrics and head for home,
Mrs Toad caring not that the needle on the temperature gauge is on its second
lap of the dial."

Surprisingly three frog-eye Sprites spotted while in Melbourne, but just one
MGB in Adelaide and an MGF in Sydney.

PaulH.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Mar  3 14:15:32 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:15:32 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher
References: <4B8DF613.1000108@cox.net> <18198E4033814E3D9F2EE82F2182C98B@paul>
Message-ID: <E51BA8C1C60E4507AF5C7157E4ED6CC3@uw471de61b465c>

My US spec Feb 71 BGT has the flasher unit on the firewall as well.
Beware, that malfunction may well derive from a malfunctioning hazard switch 
unit, if mounted.
It is recomended to flip the hazard switch at least several times aannually.
By this you keep the contacts going.
Works with mine...

Cheers,

Hans


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "David Ambrose" <stargazer1 at cox.net>; "MG Mailing List" 
<mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher


> On 73s it is pushed into a spring-clip screwed to the lower edge of the 
> firewall behind the dash.  In front of the driver on RHD, I can never 
> remember if it moves for LHD.  Green and light-green/brown wires, not to 
> be confused with the instrument voltage regulator which has green and 
> light-green/green wires and is screwed directly to the firewall i.e. not 
> pushed into a spring-clip.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Does anyone know where the turn signal flasher is mounted on a '69 BGT?

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Wed Mar  3 14:44:32 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:44:32 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher
In-Reply-To: <E51BA8C1C60E4507AF5C7157E4ED6CC3@uw471de61b465c>
References: <4B8DF613.1000108@cox.net> <18198E4033814E3D9F2EE82F2182C98B@paul>
	<E51BA8C1C60E4507AF5C7157E4ED6CC3@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <4B8ED840.4000407@cox.net>

On 3/3/2010 1:15 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
> My US spec Feb 71 BGT has the flasher unit on the firewall as well.
> Beware, that malfunction may well derive from a malfunctioning hazard 
> switch unit, if mounted.
I've already replaced a bad hazard switch and flasher. (both were 
malfunctioning)
> It is recomended to flip the hazard switch at least several times 
> aannually.
> By this you keep the contacts going.
> Works with mine...
Thanks. I'll do this. Right now, I'm flipping the hazard switch every 
few days just because I'm so happy they work again. :-)

Going out to pull the panel cover on the right hand side to see if I can 
find it.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Wed Mar  3 17:30:44 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:30:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Turn Signal Flasher
Message-ID: <4B8EFF34.5050100@comcast.net>

I *seem* to remember it's up behind the glovebox, but I could be 
confusing it with my '67. Against the firewall.

Glenn

> Does anyone know where the turn signal flasher is mounted on a '69 BGT? 
> Mine has gone out, and doesn't make the clicking noise anymore, and I 
> can't get my head far enough under the dashboard to locate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave Ambrose

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed Mar  3 21:33:49 2010
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:33:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <868ocDeGx5512S30.1267677229@cmsweb30.cms.usa.net>

Silly question really, but my wife worries about my driving so much in a car
without much modern safety equipment:

Would the steering wheel here:
http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/Steering

...fit my 70 MGB? It looks like it is intended for an TX4/TX11 London taxi by
LTI

The Breed SRS-40 airbag has (if my google-fu is working correctly) an
integral
inertial trigger, and engineers chose from 5 triggers depending upon the
weight of the car. So one for an TX11 would be pretty incorrect for an
MGB-GT...

Lets see, a collision would have less inertial effect on the more massive car
(1,815 Kg for the taxi) so the same trigger on an MGB would effectively be
calibrated for a lower impact speed?

From sgorr2 at comcast.net  Wed Mar  3 22:06:07 2010
From: sgorr2 at comcast.net (Steve Gorr)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:06:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
References: <868ocDeGx5512S30.1267677229@cmsweb30.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <C4F07D6330704E979987B9CA81480973@steveacer>

So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device, 
putting it in front of your face while driving, and then connecting it to 
Lord Lucas' wiring harness in the name of safety? Wouldn't a 4 or 5 point 
harness increase your safety more reliably? 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  4 01:58:09 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:58:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
References: <868ocDeGx5512S30.1267677229@cmsweb30.cms.usa.net>
	<C4F07D6330704E979987B9CA81480973@steveacer>
Message-ID: <3C5A4571CA3749C38C06EC38EC31B90D@paul>

Indeed, and at less than 12 dollars for both?  With a proper harness you and 
an air-bag are unlikely to meet each other anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 

> So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device, 
> putting it in front of your face while driving, and then connecting it to 
> Lord Lucas' wiring harness in the name of safety? Wouldn't a 4 or 5 point 
> harness increase your safety more reliably?

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Thu Mar  4 07:17:00 2010
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:17:00 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>

There is no actual connection to the car's electrical system, in the Breed
SRA-40 the inertial trigger is integral to the air-bag package within the
steering wheel.

I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going to be
dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --

"everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has an
airbag, so therefore it is safer"

For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
steering-wheel
with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional is
immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually work?
Then why are you convinced they will?

------ Original Message ------
Received: 09:20 AM GMT, 03/04/2010
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel

Indeed, and at less than 12 dollars for both?  With a proper harness you and
an air-bag are unlikely to meet each other anyway.

----- Original Message -----

> So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device,
> putting it in front of your face while driving, and then connecting it to
> Lord Lucas' wiring harness in the name of safety? Wouldn't a 4 or 5 point
> harness increase your safety more reliably?

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 07:26:23 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:26:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>

I've had the airbag go off in my face. The cell phone driving the blazer
behind me decided that it should go off.

I guess it was nice that it was there, I'm not sure I would have hit my head
without it being there. It was 4 years ago, I don't remember really anymore.
The car only had 97k miles on it but it was totaled (the back was pretty bad,
and the front got pushed into and under a Tercel in front of me smashing the
grill.

The one thing I got out of it, is that you CAN NOT stay in a car that has had
the airbag go off. I decided it was better to stand out in the light rain in
probably upper 40s/low 50s temperature rather than stay in that environment.

On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie wrote:

> There is no actual connection to the car's electrical system, in the Breed
> SRA-40 the inertial trigger is integral to the air-bag package within the
> steering wheel.
>
> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going to
be
> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
>
> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has an
> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
>
> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
> steering-wheel
> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional
is
> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
work?
> Then why are you convinced they will?
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: 09:20 AM GMT, 03/04/2010
> From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
>
> Indeed, and at less than 12 dollars for both?  With a proper harness you
and
> an air-bag are unlikely to meet each other anyway.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>> So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device,
>> putting it in front of your face while driving, and then connecting it to
>> Lord Lucas' wiring harness in the name of safety? Wouldn't a 4 or 5 point
>> harness increase your safety more reliably?

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Mar  4 08:02:09 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:02:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <20100304.070239.13717.113202@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

    There were some videos and still pics of MGBs being crashed into
barriers.  If you could find these, they might help to answer the
question of how closely one would approach the steering wheel in a crash.
 My recollection is that the cars crushed in the front but that passenger
compartment appeared intact.  
   I was thinking about this Tuesday night, returning from MG Club
meeting, when a SUV pulled out from side road, apparently oblivious to
high-beam headlamps and horns. My Kumho tires, recommended by Barney,
gripped well on the damp asphalt. 
Bob
 


On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:33:49 -0000 "Douglas McKinnie"
<d.mckinnie at usa.net> writes:
> Silly question really, but my wife worries about my driving so much 
> in a car
> without much modern safety equipment:
> 
> Would the steering wheel here:
> http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/Steering
> 
> ...fit my 70 MGB? It looks like it is intended for an TX4/TX11 
> London taxi by
> LTI
> 
> The Breed SRS-40 airbag has (if my google-fu is working correctly) 
> an
> integral
> inertial trigger, and engineers chose from 5 triggers depending upon 
> the
> weight of the car. So one for an TX11 would be pretty incorrect for 
> an
> MGB-GT...
> 
> Lets see, a collision would have less inertial effect on the more 
> massive car
> (1,815 Kg for the taxi) so the same trigger on an MGB would 
> effectively be
> calibrated for a lower impact speed?
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From pete_groh at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  4 08:43:54 2010
From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:43:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] 64' MGB, did it have one or two keys?
Message-ID: <250712.87300.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got a inquiry from a MGB car owner where the locks have been replaced. His ignition key code number is FS 944. The door locks and boot locks have been replaced. Does anyone have a build record for a 64' MGB with the key code number listed.

 On the 64's, did one key work the ignition switch and the doors, and 2nd key work all other locks. What head shape was the ignition key? 

If you have any spare lock inserts for the doors that uses the FS series keys, can you contact me off the list? Manufacturer Part Number: AHH6673
I can re-key locks for the door and boot lock. His car has the button type lock.

I usually advise car owner's to get a car build record when keys are lost or replacement locks are on the car.

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgar/bmiht/bmiht.htm

Kind regards

Pete Groh  (KeyGuy) 
Ellicott City MD 21042

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 08:49:35 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:49:35 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net> wrote:

> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going to
> be
> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --


> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has an
> airbag, so therefore it is safer"


I taught design, function, and repairs on airbag systems for 15 years.
 Personally I would be very reluctant to try and retrofit an airbag system
(any airbag system) into a car that was not designed for it.
I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of the shaft and the
spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag deployment have on the
column, and other interior pieces around the column?  Is it a tethered bag
or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
And finally the two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a crash
without a crash test? 2. How do you know the car is safer?

>
> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
> steering-wheel
> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional
> is
> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
> work?
> Then why are you convinced they will?
>

Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be pretty damn close to
100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal condition of the
warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is all is OK.. The
entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded for 40 or
more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a plain text
message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
So unless the accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the system
will work as advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
Rick

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  4 09:28:17 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:28:17 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] 64' MGB, did it have one or two keys?
References: <250712.87300.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C30C89027F94CB9A81BCAF2F5989829@paul>

MGBs usually had a spare key screwed to the firewall in the engine 
compartment, but whether that was a door key or an ignition key when 
steering locks were fitted I can't recall exactly, although I think it was 
door.  When steering locks were fitted the one other key operated both 
doors, the boot and the glove compartment.  Earlier cars without a steering 
lock used the same style of key for the ignition as for the doors, Clausager 
says FS or FP for some very early cars which also opened the doors, the 
glovebox originally shared its key with the boot and later had its own FT 
key.  Steering lock ignition keys only had a number, not a letter prefix. 
The BMIHT 'birth certificate' for any particular car should state both door 
and ignition (original) key numbers.

FWIW.

----- Original Message ----- >
I got a inquiry from a MGB car owner where the locks have been replaced. His 
ignition key code number is FS 944. The door locks and boot locks have been 
replaced. Does anyone have a build record for a 64' MGB with the key code 
number listed.
... 

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  4 10:08:52 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:08:52 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <C7B52924.2795C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hard to believe you can get a working air bag for $5. In CA, people steal
them out of cars for resale. My understanding is that they run a couple
hundred.

I don't see any reason to expect the spline pattern to match, other than the
vague UK connection.

But mainly, I am not convinced it is a good idea from a safety standpoint.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/4/10 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie at d.mckinnie at usa.net wrote:

> There is no actual connection to the car's electrical system, in the Breed
> SRA-40 the inertial trigger is integral to the air-bag package within the
> steering wheel.
> 
> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going to be
> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
> 
> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has an
> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
> 
> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
> steering-wheel
> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional is
> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually work?
> Then why are you convinced they will?
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: 09:20 AM GMT, 03/04/2010
> From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>Cc: <d.mckinnie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
> 
> Indeed, and at less than 12 dollars for both?  With a proper harness you and
> an air-bag are unlikely to meet each other anyway.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
>> So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device,
>> putting it in front of your face while driving, and then connecting it to
>> Lord Lucas' wiring harness in the name of safety? Wouldn't a 4 or 5 point
>> harness increase your safety more reliably?

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  4 11:45:51 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:45:51 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] 64' MGB, did it have one or two keys?
In-Reply-To: <9C30C89027F94CB9A81BCAF2F5989829@paul>
References: <250712.87300.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9C30C89027F94CB9A81BCAF2F5989829@paul>
Message-ID: <6F016A50E0E541BDBBE83ADD71843577@ranteer.local>

as a point in clarification which will not help the issue at hand, my 73 
came with an ignition key screwed on the passenger side wheel well towards 
the firewall (might have been driver side but I don't think so) in the 
engine compartment.  it is a different key from the door, trunk, and glove 
box.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:28 AM
To: "Pete Groh" <pete_groh at yahoo.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 64' MGB, did it have one or two keys?

> MGBs usually had a spare key screwed to the firewall in the engine 
> compartment, but whether that was a door key or an ignition key when 
> steering locks were fitted I can't recall exactly, although I think it was 
> door.  When steering locks were fitted the one other key operated both 
> doors, the boot and the glove compartment.  Earlier cars without a 
> steering lock used the same style of key for the ignition as for the 
> doors, Clausager says FS or FP for some very early cars which also opened 
> the doors, the glovebox originally shared its key with the boot and later 
> had its own FT key.  Steering lock ignition keys only had a number, not a 
> letter prefix. The BMIHT 'birth certificate' for any particular car should 
> state both door and ignition (original) key numbers.
>
> FWIW.

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  4 11:47:10 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:47:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C715F90FCD448B7BB3E1D869AEEA720@ranteer.local>

is this not just to please the wifey?  put one in there (but don't connect 
it) to make her happy . . .

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:49 AM
To: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Cc: <d.mckinnie at gmail.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel

> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net> 
> wrote:

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  4 11:55:55 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:55:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC5B2A041C864A21BA2B1A008C05EDE5@ranteer.local>

I was in my 2000 honda accord when someone pulled out in front of me.  I was 
going way too fast (maybe 60?) in a 35 zone and because of traffic I didn't 
see her until she was less than a car length away.  I wonder if I even had 
time to fully press the brake pedal.

early air bags, I am told, were rather nasty.  this one inflated, deflated, 
and was gone.  totally saved my neck and shoulders from the bite of the seat 
belt.  I LOVE air bags.  it was a no biggie for me.  I opened the door, sat 
in the car for a minute, called my wife, and then got out.  but I could have 
stayed in the car.  fortunately she got there right away, and took care of 
the paperwork.  I was quite rattled but physically pretty much ok.  of 
course the car was totaled (150k miles and 8 years old).

yes I drive funny little british cars, and no I wouldn't put one in because 
I don't think you can correctly aftermarket design and implement one, but I 
LOVE airbags and the fact that they are in my 2006 honda accord and 
especially in my daughter's nissan and my wife's honda.


>
> The one thing I got out of it, is that you CAN NOT stay in a car that has 
> had
> the airbag go off. I decided it was better to stand out in the light rain 
> in

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 12:15:01 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:15:01 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <EC5B2A041C864A21BA2B1A008C05EDE5@ranteer.local>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>
	<EC5B2A041C864A21BA2B1A008C05EDE5@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <B522302D-20C1-491E-9E21-5A16E1507670@gmail.com>

Mine was a '98 Nissan Altima. My only "injury" was a burn like think on the
left wrist. I was never sure if it was a chemical burn or just a rub from the
airbag. The air was quiet foul.

The Blazer hit me at 30-35 probably at a stop light. I was fourth in line. I
hit the brakes hard and the nose dived, probably also helped by the Blazer
pushing the backend up. So my bumper went under the little tercel, destroying
my grill. The back end was about a foot short.

The Tercel drove off (after the cops let her go) with only a scrap to the
bumper shell.

I kept the compact spare for the MG. Fits great.


Did the RV8 have airbags?



On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:55 PM, oliver wrote:

> I was in my 2000 honda accord when someone pulled out in front of me.  I was
going way too fast (maybe 60?) in a 35 zone and because of traffic I didn't
see her until she was less than a car length away.  I wonder if I even had
time to fully press the brake pedal.
>
> early air bags, I am told, were rather nasty.  this one inflated, deflated,
and was gone.  totally saved my neck and shoulders from the bite of the seat
belt.  I LOVE air bags.  it was a no biggie for me.  I opened the door, sat in
the car for a minute, called my wife, and then got out.  but I could have
stayed in the car.  fortunately she got there right away, and took care of the
paperwork.  I was quite rattled but physically pretty much ok.  of course the
car was totaled (150k miles and 8 years old).
>
> yes I drive funny little british cars, and no I wouldn't put one in because
I don't think you can correctly aftermarket design and implement one, but I
LOVE airbags and the fact that they are in my 2006 honda accord and especially
in my daughter's nissan and my wife's honda.
>
>
>>
>> The one thing I got out of it, is that you CAN NOT stay in a car that has
had
>> the airbag go off. I decided it was better to stand out in the light rain
in
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From barrie at look.ca  Thu Mar  4 12:10:46 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:10:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <20100304.070239.13717.113202@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100304.070239.13717.113202@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E1NnGXy-0005Ls-7Y@eta.look.ca>

A long buried memory somewhere between my first walk without a nappy 
(diapers to the US bodies) and first erection (I had a Meccano set!) 
is the one about the MGB being the first vehicle to be officially 
crash tested - it passed with flying colours.  Anyone know anything about that?



At 10:02 AM 3/4/2010, MGBOB wrote:
>     There were some videos and still pics of MGBs being crashed into
>barriers.  If you could find these, they might help to answer the
>question of how closely one would approach the steering wheel in a crash.
>  My recollection is that the cars crushed in the front but that passenger
>compartment appeared intact.
>    I was thinking about this Tuesday night, returning from MG Club
>meeting, when a SUV pulled out from side road, apparently oblivious to
>high-beam headlamps and horns. My Kumho tires, recommended by Barney,
>gripped well on the damp asphalt.
>Bob
>
>
>
>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:33:49 -0000 "Douglas McKinnie"
><d.mckinnie at usa.net> writes:
> > Silly question really, but my wife worries about my driving so much
> > in a car
> > without much modern safety equipment:
> >
> > Would the steering wheel here:
> > http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/Steering
> >
> > ...fit my 70 MGB? It looks like it is intended for an TX4/TX11
> > London taxi by
> > LTI
> >
> > The Breed SRS-40 airbag has (if my google-fu is working correctly)
> > an
> > integral
> > inertial trigger, and engineers chose from 5 triggers depending upon
> > the
> > weight of the car. So one for an TX11 would be pretty incorrect for
> > an
> > MGB-GT...
> >
> > Lets see, a collision would have less inertial effect on the more
> > massive car
> > (1,815 Kg for the taxi) so the same trigger on an MGB would
> > effectively be
> > calibrated for a lower impact speed?
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  4 12:42:42 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:42:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>
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________________________________
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Cc: d.mckinnie at gmail.com; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 9:26:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel

I've had the airbag go off in my face. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ditto, Paul..... My car wasn't totaled, fortunately......

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/CoolCars/VWMess.jpg

Not sure I would want to put a pre-packaged airbag into my car, without it being integrated into
the other safety systems of the car, like various deceleration sensors and seatbelts that automatically
lock. I had a sore nose and a couple of bruises on my chest from the locking belts.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
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http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
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From don at napanet.net  Thu Mar  4 20:44:23 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Anaemic little car transformed into a V8 monster
Message-ID: <20100305040538.C8CFC24DB7F@mail.napanet.net>

My car buddy Rick Feibusch just sent me this Youtube video.  Not sure 
if it's been around a long time, but it was new to me.
The little device featured in the film will give a 4 cylinder car 
some real balls.  I listened to this and thought, "why did I sell my 
TR8?"  Nothing quite like the rumble of a V8 engine . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded


Don Scott
Calistoga CA
1962 MGA Mk II
1991 Miata BRG
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-65 MGB (seeking)

From charleyrob at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 23:13:09 2010
From: charleyrob at gmail.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 01:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
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Message-ID: <F9FA0081-944E-4D7A-B771-456F97D44892@gmail.com>

I have 2 cars that have been involved in front end accident in which the air
bags did not deploy - both Audi's - both totaled in the accidents. in both
instances the warning lights indicated all was well with the systems. I'm not
at all certain that an air bag will deploy regardless of what the fail-safe
computer tells you. Unless we can just chock that up to bad German
engineering.

Charley


On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
wrote:
>
>> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going to
>> be
>> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
>
>
>> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has an
>> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
>
>
> I taught design, function, and repairs on airbag systems for 15 years.
> Personally I would be very reluctant to try and retrofit an airbag system
> (any airbag system) into a car that was not designed for it.
> I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of the shaft and the
> spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag deployment have on the
> column, and other interior pieces around the column?  Is it a tethered bag
> or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
> And finally the two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a crash
> without a crash test? 2. How do you know the car is safer?
>
>>
>> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
>> steering-wheel
>> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional
>> is
>> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
>> work?
>> Then why are you convinced they will?
>>
>
> Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be pretty damn close to
> 100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal condition of the
> warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is all is OK..
The
> entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded for 40 or
> more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a plain text
> message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
> So unless the accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the
system
> will work as advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
> Rick
> _______________________________________________
>
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Thu Mar  4 23:41:47 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:41:47 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <F9FA0081-944E-4D7A-B771-456F97D44892@gmail.com>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9FA0081-944E-4D7A-B771-456F97D44892@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A561FC8F-57C9-44C3-AAC7-5365CD72D938@ghs.com.au>

If the airbags did not deploy then its fair to say that the impacts  
were not sufficiently intense to require airbags.  Airbags DO NOT  
deploy in all accidents.

Murray A.

On 05/03/2010, at 4:13 PM, Charley Robinson wrote:

> I have 2 cars that have been involved in front end accident in which  
> the air
> bags did not deploy - both Audi's - both totaled in the accidents.  
> in both
> instances the warning lights indicated all was well with the  
> systems. I'm not
> at all certain that an air bag will deploy regardless of what the  
> fail-safe
> computer tells you. Unless we can just chock that up to bad German
> engineering.
>
> Charley
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this  
>>> going to
>>> be
>>> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
>>
>>
>>> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car  
>>> now has an
>>> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
>>
>>
>> I taught design, function, and repairs on airbag systems for 15  
>> years.
>> Personally I would be very reluctant to try and retrofit an airbag  
>> system
>> (any airbag system) into a car that was not designed for it.
>> I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of the shaft  
>> and the
>> spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag deployment  
>> have on the
>> column, and other interior pieces around the column?  Is it a  
>> tethered bag
>> or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
>> And finally the two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a  
>> crash
>> without a crash test? 2. How do you know the car is safer?
>>
>>>
>>> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
>>> steering-wheel
>>> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is  
>>> functional
>>> is
>>> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the  
>>> actually
>>> work?
>>> Then why are you convinced they will?
>>>
>>
>> Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be pretty damn  
>> close to
>> 100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal condition of  
>> the
>> warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is all is  
>> OK..
> The
>> entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded for  
>> 40 or
>> more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a  
>> plain text
>> message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
>> So unless the accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the
> system
>> will work as advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
>> Rick
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Mgs at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> _______________________________________________
>
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From palte at gmx.net  Thu Mar  4 23:59:48 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:59:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <C4F07D6330704E979987B9CA81480973@steveacer>
References: <868ocDeGx5512S30.1267677229@cmsweb30.cms.usa.net>
	<C4F07D6330704E979987B9CA81480973@steveacer>
Message-ID: <20100305065948.133230@gmx.net>

> So you are seriously considering taking a moderately explosive device, 
> putting it in front of your face while driving, 
<snip>


I've been told that, until the mid-90s, airbags could NOT 
be fitted in cars destined for Italy.

The reason being that, in Italy, there was a law that 
stated that it was it illegal to transport explosive devices in a car....


Bert
-- 
Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser -
jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser

From charleyrob at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 00:08:23 2010
From: charleyrob at gmail.com (Charley Robinson)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 02:08:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <A561FC8F-57C9-44C3-AAC7-5365CD72D938@ghs.com.au>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9FA0081-944E-4D7A-B771-456F97D44892@gmail.com>
	<A561FC8F-57C9-44C3-AAC7-5365CD72D938@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <F9D5F3DB-0AC9-4BE1-8AA4-A8181F090082@gmail.com>

One car had more than $8,000 worth of damage and the other had more than
$19,000 worth of damage. How sufficiently intense would you like it? Both full
frontal impacts.

Charley


On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Murray Arundell wrote:

> If the airbags did not deploy then its fair to say that the impacts were not
sufficiently intense to require airbags.  Airbags DO NOT deploy in all
accidents.
>
> Murray A.
>
> On 05/03/2010, at 4:13 PM, Charley Robinson wrote:
>
>> I have 2 cars that have been involved in front end accident in which the
air
>> bags did not deploy - both Audi's - both totaled in the accidents. in both
>> instances the warning lights indicated all was well with the systems. I'm
not
>> at all certain that an air bag will deploy regardless of what the
fail-safe
>> computer tells you. Unless we can just chock that up to bad German
>> engineering.
>>
>> Charley
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going
to
>>>> be
>>>> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
>>>
>>>
>>>> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has
an
>>>> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
>>>
>>>
>>> I taught design, function, and repairs on airbag systems for 15 years.
>>> Personally I would be very reluctant to try and retrofit an airbag system
>>> (any airbag system) into a car that was not designed for it.
>>> I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of the shaft and the
>>> spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag deployment have on
the
>>> column, and other interior pieces around the column?  Is it a tethered
bag
>>> or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
>>> And finally the two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a crash
>>> without a crash test? 2. How do you know the car is safer?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
>>>> steering-wheel
>>>> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is
functional
>>>> is
>>>> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
>>>> work?
>>>> Then why are you convinced they will?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be pretty damn close to
>>> 100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal condition of the
>>> warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is all is OK..
>> The
>>> entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded for 40 or
>>> more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a plain
text
>>> message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
>>> So unless the accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the
>> system
>>> will work as advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
>>> Rick
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Mgs at autox.team.net
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 03:53:45 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:53:45 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net><F5DDBC95-3B42-4C35-9E71-180831F8529B@gmail.com>
	<167704.99627.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <75F6254F3EBC4BCC95898E1AFA649DB3@paul>

More likely to be pre-tensioning these days, i.e. pulling the belts onto the 
occupants and the occupants back into the seats as soon as a significant 
deceleration of the vehicle is detected.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... like various deceleration sensors and seatbelts that automatically
> lock. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 04:09:47 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:09:47 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net><a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com><F9FA0081-944E-4D7A-B771-456F97D44892@gmail.com><A561FC8F-57C9-44C3-AAC7-5365CD72D938@ghs.com.au>
	<F9D5F3DB-0AC9-4BE1-8AA4-A8181F090082@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BFB4D1DC4946039D558C23C4EDA62B@paul>

Modern cars?  They are usually write-offs in the most light of impacts if 
there is any metal distortion, i.e. crumpling of the front or rear crumple 
zones.  If you are really unlucky the fire brigade insist on cutting the 
roof off before letting you get out.  In one minor shunt at Heathrow airport 
the occupant got out and exchanged details with the other driver, then got 
back in to await a tow truck.  In the meantime someone had called the fire 
and ambulance and the former wouldn't let her get out again until they had 
cut the roof off.  In the UK insurance write-offs (where the insurance 
company decides it is beyond economic repair) are classified four ways in 
the UK - the most severe can only be crushed as a complete car, the next 
must have the body crushed but mechanical components can be reused.  The 
third can be repaired but must be inspected afterwards.  The least severe 
can be repaired but doesn't need to be inspected.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> One car had more than $8,000 worth of damage and the other had more than
> $19,000 worth of damage. How sufficiently intense would you like it? Both 
> full
> frontal impacts.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 03:47:25 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:47:25 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
References: <20100304.070239.13717.113202@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
	<E1NnGXy-0005Ls-7Y@eta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <3A17D8D7798845E89B2AF4FA7F5E225E@paul>

There are photographs in various books (reproduced here 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/body.htm).  First MG quite likely, maybe even 
the first BMC, but I'd be surprised if it was first for any manufacturer.

There is also a well-documented case 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/Safety%20Fast%20May%202000%20-A%20Lesson%20in%20Safety.htm 
of an MGB hitting a solid concrete wall at Silverstone at 120kph, suffering 
0.75 metres of crush, giving a deceleration of 75G.  More than enough to 
cause death, but the effects were reduced by stretch in the harness and the 
drivers head moving forwards.  He was rendered unconscious but only by the 
deceleration, not by any impact.  The only injury he suffered was a broken 
bone in his foot, not cause by any intrusion into the footwell (there was 
none) but simply his foot flying forward and hitting the pedals.  Quite an 
incredible demonstration of the strength of a *sound* MGB body, and not 
something I'd like to try in a modern car.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>A long buried memory somewhere ...
> is the one about the MGB being the first vehicle to be officially crash 
> tested - it passed with flying colours.  Anyone know anything about that?

From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Mar  5 04:36:49 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (thgun at comporium.net)
Date: Fri,  5 Mar 2010 06:36:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
Message-ID: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>

Can the overflow pipe from the radiator cap be repaired without removing the radiator? My overflow pipe has a crack where the pipe goes into to radiator neck.
Tom
1957,1500 MGA rst

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  5 08:10:05 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:10:05 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
Message-ID: <779D0A3ED3A54C9B8121B7C2D2131813@paul>

It should be above coolant level so I can't see why not, I resoldered the 
header tank to the core in-situ (MGB V8) using a pencil gas torch just by 
draining a bit of coolant out, however the third time it leaked I decided to 
replace the radiator.  Yours isn't under pressure either, so is merely 
cosmetic, in fact there shouldn't be any coolant at that level anyway unless 
you are trying to keep it too high and it is ejecting the excess each time 
it warms up.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

> Can the overflow pipe from the radiator cap be repaired without removing 
> the radiator? My overflow pipe has a crack where the pipe goes into to 
> radiator neck.

From maine2me at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  5 16:20:05 2010
From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:20:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <419ocDoqa5102S07.1267712220@cmsweb07.cms.usa.net>
	<a3b984e11003040749mc34d2c8n530be2ac03c1364d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <916991.50745.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

How about a loud mouth in the passenger seat? Doesn't that constitute an "air
bag"? Honey...I'm taking your mother for a ride in the MG... :o)))

Dan
----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To:
Douglas McKinnie <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
Cc: d.mckinnie at gmail.com;
mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:49:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs]
Steering Wheel

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie
<d.mckinnie at usa.net> wrote:

> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat
(is possible/this going to
> be
> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists
hat --


> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now
has an
> airbag, so therefore it is safer"


I taught design, function, and
repairs on airbag systems for 15 years.
Personally I would be very reluctant
to try and retrofit an airbag system
(any airbag system) into a car that was
not designed for it.
I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of
the shaft and the
spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag
deployment have on the
column, and other interior pieces around the column? 
Is it a tethered bag
or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
And finally the
two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a crash
without a crash test?
2. How do you know the car is safer?

>
> For the latter, all I really need is
a convincing pillow on the
> steering-wheel
> with a nice "airbag" or
"Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is functional
> is
> immaterial. Have any
of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
> work?
> Then why are you
convinced they will?
>

Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be
pretty damn close to
100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal
condition of the
warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is
all is OK.. The
entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded
for 40 or
more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a
plain text
message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
So unless the
accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the system
will work as
advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
Rick
_______________________________________________

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Mar  5 18:49:04 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:49:04 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Motor for sale
Message-ID: <4B91B490.3070703@bradakis.com>

I was down at Bailey's yesterday, he still has this motor:

 http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10


mjb.

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 22:15:20 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 21:15:20 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
In-Reply-To: <779D0A3ED3A54C9B8121B7C2D2131813@paul>
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
	<779D0A3ED3A54C9B8121B7C2D2131813@paul>
Message-ID: <40b437201003052115k33389309lc35635c6c1661f0b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
>  Yours isn't under pressure either, so is merely
> cosmetic,

Huh? MGA radiators have a pressure cap. I believe 7 pounds was the
original pressure, but many people use 15 pound caps.

Simon

From strovato at optonline.net  Fri Mar  5 23:14:55 2010
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:14:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
In-Reply-To: <40b437201003052115k33389309lc35635c6c1661f0b@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
	<779D0A3ED3A54C9B8121B7C2D2131813@paul>
	<40b437201003052115k33389309lc35635c6c1661f0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0KYU00KG2K2EF8B0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

But the overflow pipe is not pressurized.

At 12:15 AM 3/6/2010, Simon Matthews wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
>wrote:
> >  Yours isn't under pressure either, so is merely
> > cosmetic,
>
>Huh? MGA radiators have a pressure cap. I believe 7 pounds was the
>original pressure, but many people use 15 pound caps.
>
>Simon
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 00:04:12 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:04:12 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
In-Reply-To: <0KYU00KG2K2EF8B0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
	<779D0A3ED3A54C9B8121B7C2D2131813@paul>
	<40b437201003052115k33389309lc35635c6c1661f0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0KYU00KG2K2EF8B0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <40b437201003052304p18bc6110h35d0dfab5a336fd6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Steven Trovato <strovato at optonline.net> wrote:
> But the overflow pipe is not pressurized.

Ah, ha! yes. The overflow pipe is not pressurized. I read it to mean
that the whole radiator neck is not pressurized.

Simon

From jello at cableone.net  Sat Mar  6 15:16:22 2010
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:16:22 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
In-Reply-To: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
Message-ID: <4B92D436.4040900@cableone.net>

I changed the neck on my radiator so I could use a regular cap.  When I 
did, it leaked a little.  JB WaterWeld to the rescue.  And it's on and 
working 4 years later.  I might try that on the overflow pipe - as the 
thread says later, it's not under pressure.

Phil Bates
1958 MGA

thgun at comporium.net wrote:
> Can the overflow pipe from the radiator cap be repaired without removing the radiator? My overflow pipe has a crack where the pipe goes into to radiator neck.
> Tom
> 1957,1500 MGA rst

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Mar  7 09:27:17 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:27:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: new mg owner in south fla.
References: <SNT128-DS18CC2C2A007433220A184BD370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5B0004BD-84A7-4FD4-AC9A-C442AD7DB2AB@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
Forwarding an interesting problem with that coil getting hot with the  
ignition off.
Any ideas for Alan ...manorboys at msn.com
Dave Houser



Begin forwarded message:

>
> Subject: new mg owner in south fla.
>
> Hello, I am hoping you, or one of your members can help me out. I  
> purchased a 1973 mbg, it was running good, I did a very deep  
> cleaning job, and sprayed de-greaser on the lower and under side of  
> the engine. I then rinsed from the underside up, and  kept the top  
> side of the motor mostly dry. I then started the car as usual, it  
> ran fine. Dried any other parts of the engine and parked it in the  
> garage. Two days later, car wouldn't start(turned over but didn't  
> fire up. I must have gotten something wet. I then checked the  
> distributor cap, seemed fine, but I put in a new cap, points,  
> condenser, rotor, still wont fire up. Changed the coil, still  
> nothing. I did notice the old and new coil gets hot, even with the  
> ignition off.(I left one of the wires off until someone has some  
> advise for me.) What else can I check that water might have  
> affected? I do not know of an MG repair shop near me in the Fort  
> Lauderdale area, and am afraid to take it somewhere, that has no  
> idea of how to repair an MG. Why is the coil getting hot? I am  
> hoping one of your members can advise me to get her running again.  
> Thank you in advance for any help you can give. Alan Kurland

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 10:55:48 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 09:55:48 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: new mg owner in south fla.
In-Reply-To: <5B0004BD-84A7-4FD4-AC9A-C442AD7DB2AB@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <SNT128-DS18CC2C2A007433220A184BD370@phx.gbl>
	<5B0004BD-84A7-4FD4-AC9A-C442AD7DB2AB@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003070955q124aa868ie30ced8e6d46a18c@mail.gmail.com>

for some reason the coil is staying powered up with the key off.
It could be caused by the engine cleaning, or it could be unrelated.
The coil is supplied with power when the key is on, and it is grounded when
the points are closed.  During that time it generates heat.
So if the coil is hot with the key off, there is power to the coil.


On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:27 AM, W. David Houser <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>wrote:

> Listers,
> Forwarding an interesting problem with that coil getting hot with the
> ignition off.
> Any ideas for Alan ...manorboys at msn.com
> Dave Houser
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > Subject: new mg owner in south fla.
> >
> > Hello, I am hoping you, or one of your members can help me out. I
> > purchased a 1973 mbg, it was running good, I did a very deep
> > cleaning job, and sprayed de-greaser on the lower and under side of
> > the engine. I then rinsed from the underside up, and  kept the top
> > side of the motor mostly dry. I then started the car as usual, it
> > ran fine. Dried any other parts of the engine and parked it in the
> > garage. Two days later, car wouldn't start(turned over but didn't
> > fire up. I must have gotten something wet. I then checked the
> > distributor cap, seemed fine, but I put in a new cap, points,
> > condenser, rotor, still wont fire up. Changed the coil, still
> > nothing. I did notice the old and new coil gets hot, even with the
> > ignition off.(I left one of the wires off until someone has some
> > advise for me.) What else can I check that water might have
> > affected? I do not know of an MG repair shop near me in the Fort
> > Lauderdale area, and am afraid to take it somewhere, that has no
> > idea of how to repair an MG. Why is the coil getting hot? I am
> > hoping one of your members can advise me to get her running again.
> > Thank you in advance for any help you can give. Alan Kurland
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Mar  6 06:11:32 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 13:11:32 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Holden cars, as Australian as ...
Message-ID: <971AAAF141EE44BDA40E8F55704B0AF1@paul>

One of the TV programs available on my Qantas international flights
entertainment system was a documentary on 60 years of Holden.  There was a
section on TV advertising, and this 'classic' one from the 70s was the
favourite of several 'talking heads' on the documentary and made me smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGW-WX77zjY

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar  7 14:52:59 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
Message-ID: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>

Some while back there was an effort to get some MG parts to a bloke 
in Cuba and I wonder what happened.  My interest is triggered by the 
fact that I have been compelled to go to a top rated hotel in Cuba, 
eat gourmet food, swallow as much booze as I want, and no doubt will 
be expected to smoke cigars.  Regretfully there is no way I can get out of it.

So what happened ?

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY 
www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar  7 14:54:28 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Valves
Message-ID: <E1NoORE-00069e-8R@epsilon.look.ca>

Would anyone be interested in stainless steel valves for less that 
ordinary ones?

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY 
www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies

From rick_guenard at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  7 15:08:45 2010
From: rick_guenard at sbcglobal.net (Richard Guenard)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:08:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: new mg owner in south fla.
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003070955q124aa868ie30ced8e6d46a18c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT128-DS18CC2C2A007433220A184BD370@phx.gbl><5B0004BD-84A7-4FD4-AC9A-C442AD7DB2AB@tampabay.rr.com>
	<a3b984e11003070955q124aa868ie30ced8e6d46a18c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <183AC0E064B14217B207D0577F9DE19F@Office>

Could it not be the ignition relay not disengaging ?

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Richard Ewald
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:56 PM
To: W. David Houser
Cc: MGList List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: new mg owner in south fla.

for some reason the coil is staying powered up with the key off.
It could be caused by the engine cleaning, or it could be unrelated.
The coil is supplied with power when the key is on, and it is grounded when
the points are closed.  During that time it generates heat.
So if the coil is hot with the key off, there is power to the coil.


On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:27 AM, W. David Houser
<mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>wrote:

> Listers,
> Forwarding an interesting problem with that coil getting hot with the
> ignition off.
> Any ideas for Alan ...manorboys at msn.com
> Dave Houser
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >
> > Subject: new mg owner in south fla.
> >
> > Hello, I am hoping you, or one of your members can help me out. I
> > purchased a 1973 mbg, it was running good, I did a very deep
> > cleaning job, and sprayed de-greaser on the lower and under side of
> > the engine. I then rinsed from the underside up, and  kept the top
> > side of the motor mostly dry. I then started the car as usual, it
> > ran fine. Dried any other parts of the engine and parked it in the
> > garage. Two days later, car wouldn't start(turned over but didn't
> > fire up. I must have gotten something wet. I then checked the
> > distributor cap, seemed fine, but I put in a new cap, points,
> > condenser, rotor, still wont fire up. Changed the coil, still
> > nothing. I did notice the old and new coil gets hot, even with the
> > ignition off.(I left one of the wires off until someone has some
> > advise for me.) What else can I check that water might have
> > affected? I do not know of an MG repair shop near me in the Fort
> > Lauderdale area, and am afraid to take it somewhere, that has no
> > idea of how to repair an MG. Why is the coil getting hot? I am
> > hoping one of your members can advise me to get her running again.
> > Thank you in advance for any help you can give. Alan Kurland
> _______________________________________________
>
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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  7 15:27:57 2010
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:27:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <156056.16005.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I remember that, Was it Tony who coordinated that? It would be interesting to
get a follow up. Take one for the team down there!
Carl

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net, mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 4:52 PM

Some while back there was an effort to get some MG parts to a bloke in Cuba
and I wonder what happened.  My interest is triggered by the fact that I have
been compelled to go to a top rated hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food, swallow
as much booze as I want, and no doubt will be expected to smoke cigars. 
Regretfully there is no way I can get out of it.

So what happened ?

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY www.britcot.com
- a unique web site for car goodies
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Mar  7 16:56:39 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:56:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <156056.16005.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <156056.16005.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B943D37.9010508@justbrits.com>

Barney IIRC, Carl.

<< I remember that, >>

Last time I visited his site it was still there.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Mar  7 17:12:44 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:12:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Ah-ha!  Been waiting for someone who might be
going there in person.  That development stalled
just before we could hand deliver a package by
round about means when we lost e-mail contact
with the MGA owner in Cuba.  See here: http://mgaguru.com/guest/demis

The home address given (several years ago) is:
     Celedonio Bernal
     #10416 e/ Morro y calzada de bejucal
     Las Caqas, Calabazar, Boyeros
     Ciudad Habana, CUBA

Can anyone interpret this and pinpont it on a map of Havana?

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


---------------------------------------------------
At 04:52 PM 3/7/2010 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote:
>Some while back there was an effort to get some
>MG parts to a bloke in Cuba and I wonder what
>happened.  My interest is triggered by the fact
>that I have been compelled to go to a top rated
>hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food, swallow as much
>booze as I want, and no doubt will be expected
>to smoke cigars.  Regretfully there is no way I can get out of it.
>
>So what happened ?
>....

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Mar  7 17:58:44 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:58:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator
In-Reply-To: <4B92D436.4040900@cableone.net>
References: <20100305063649.EET54526@ms1.comporium.net>
	<4B92D436.4040900@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <4B944BC4.40605@justbrits.com>

<< as the thread says later, it's not under pressure. >>

And Phil, as I was going to say the other day prior
to being side-tracked by work [thank G**], that
pipe IS "under pressure" every time the radiator
cap reaches it's rating and OPENS [with a BURST
of PRESSURE].  Short lived I will admit, but to say
that the pipe is NOT "under pressure" IS incorrect.
<G> !!

Ed

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sun Mar  7 18:20:45 2010
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:50:45 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Holden cars, as Australian as ...
In-Reply-To: <971AAAF141EE44BDA40E8F55704B0AF1@paul>
References: <971AAAF141EE44BDA40E8F55704B0AF1@paul>
Message-ID: <CE21648B-F210-4237-9DC3-751C4FCDC46F@erickson.on.net>

On 06/03/2010, at 11:41 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> One of the TV programs available on my Qantas international flights
> entertainment system was a documentary on 60 years of Holden.  There was a
> section on TV advertising, and this 'classic' one from the 70s was the
> favourite of several 'talking heads' on the documentary and made me smile.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGW-WX77zjY

It was always a favourite advert here.

Of course, we all like quirky car advertising and this was another
favourite...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar  8 02:47:25 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:47:25 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: new mg owner in south fla.
References: <SNT128-DS18CC2C2A007433220A184BD370@phx.gbl>
	<5B0004BD-84A7-4FD4-AC9A-C442AD7DB2AB@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <04125B3D2E0C4EC0BB6D639A118572F4@paul>

Unless someone has been fiddling with or damaged the wiring if the coil is 
powered all the ignition powered things should be on as well, i.e. fuel 
gauge being most visible (if it works and you have fuel), and the brake 
lights and reversing lights will be working with the key off and out.  The 
simplest way that can happen (on a 73) is if the bottom two fuses have come 
into contact somehow.  I'd doubt very much if simply a water bridge would 
pass enough current to get the coil hot.  Is the ignition switch buggered so 
that even though the key has been turned and removed the switch is still on? 
If none of those you will have to start testing whites at the coil, fusebox 
and ignition switch to try and work out what is happening.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

>> ... I did notice the old and new coil gets hot, even with the
>> ignition off.(I left one of the wires off until someone has some
>> advise for me.) 

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  8 07:21:12 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>

Barney,

I think that is in Havana.  I will send a letter
but any help here would be appreciated




At 07:12 PM 3/7/2010, Barney Gaylord wrote:
>Ah-ha!  Been waiting for someone who might be
>going there in person.  That development stalled
>just before we could hand deliver a package by
>round about means when we lost e-mail contact
>with the MGA owner in Cuba.  See here: http://mgaguru.com/guest/demis
>
>The home address given (several years ago) is:
>     Celedonio Bernal
>     #10416 e/ Morro y calzada de bejucal
>     Las Caqas, Calabazar, Boyeros
>     Ciudad Habana, CUBA
>
>Can anyone interpret this and pinpont it on a map of Havana?
>
>Barney Gaylord
>1958 MGA with an attitude
>http://MGAguru.com
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>At 04:52 PM 3/7/2010 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote:
>>Some while back there was an effort to get some
>>MG parts to a bloke in Cuba and I wonder what
>>happened.  My interest is triggered by the fact
>>that I have been compelled to go to a top rated
>>hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food, swallow as
>>much booze as I want, and no doubt will be
>>expected to smoke cigars.  Regretfully there is no way I can get out of it.
>>
>>So what happened ?
>>....
>
>

Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  8 07:09:42 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:09:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <4B943D37.9010508@justbrits.com>
References: <156056.16005.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4B943D37.9010508@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <E1Noe0C-00057g-4n@alpha.look.ca>

...............and the sits is?

At 06:56 PM 3/7/2010, Shop at \" Just Brits \" wrote:
>Barney IIRC, Carl.
>
><< I remember that, >>
>
>Last time I visited his site it was still there.
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:58:21 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:58:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>,
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>,
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>

This should be fairly easy to find.  Calabazar is a neighborhood or section of
Ranchos Boyeros, a townland south of Havana proper.  "Calzada de Bejucal" is
one of the main streets going into Calabazar.  If you are staying in one of
the good hotels in Havana city, someone there should be able to arrange
delivery for you.



"Ciudad Habana" is the state or province of Havana, which includes several
municipalities, including the city of Havana.



Just a few miles south of this address is a huge "secret" Chinese listening
post where they listen to telecommunications in the U.S.



I deny any official knowledge of any this.



-Mike Eldred




> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:21:12 -0500
> To: barneymg at mgaguru.com; mgs at autox.team.net
> From: barrie at look.ca
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cuba
>
> Barney,
>
> I think that is in Havana. I will send a letter
> but any help here would be appreciated
>
>
>
>
> At 07:12 PM 3/7/2010, Barney Gaylord wrote:
> >Ah-ha! Been waiting for someone who might be
> >going there in person. That development stalled
> >just before we could hand deliver a package by
> >round about means when we lost e-mail contact
> >with the MGA owner in Cuba. See here: http://mgaguru.com/guest/demis
> >
> >The home address given (several years ago) is:
> > Celedonio Bernal
> > #10416 e/ Morro y calzada de bejucal
> > Las Caqas, Calabazar, Boyeros
> > Ciudad Habana, CUBA
> >
> >Can anyone interpret this and pinpont it on a map of Havana?
> >
> >Barney Gaylord
> >1958 MGA with an attitude
> >http://MGAguru.com
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >At 04:52 PM 3/7/2010 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote:
> >>Some while back there was an effort to get some
> >>MG parts to a bloke in Cuba and I wonder what
> >>happened. My interest is triggered by the fact
> >>that I have been compelled to go to a top rated
> >>hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food, swallow as
> >>much booze as I want, and no doubt will be
> >>expected to smoke cigars. Regretfully there is no way I can get out of
it.
> >>
> >>So what happened ?
> >>....
> >
> >
>
> Regards
>
> Barrie
> (705) 721-9060
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>
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From strovato at optonline.net  Mon Mar  8 11:35:53 2010
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:35:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Google maps actually has coverage of that area.  I found "Carretera A 
Bejucal" but not "Calzada de Bejucal".    There's nothing on the map 
labeled "Huge Secret Chinese Listening Post" either. :-)

At 12:58 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>This should be fairly easy to find.  Calabazar is a neighborhood or section of
>Ranchos Boyeros, a townland south of Havana proper.  "Calzada de Bejucal" is
>one of the main streets going into Calabazar.  If you are staying in one of
>the good hotels in Havana city, someone there should be able to arrange
>delivery for you.
>
>
>
>"Ciudad Habana" is the state or province of Havana, which includes several
>municipalities, including the city of Havana.
>
>
>
>Just a few miles south of this address is a huge "secret" Chinese listening
>post where they listen to telecommunications in the U.S.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon Mar  8 10:42:25 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:42:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <264393.61917.qm@smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

According to wikipedia:  Boyeros is one of the 15
municipalities or boroughs in the city of
Havana.  The municipality was created in 1976,
and amalgamated the town of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Las_Vegas>Santiago
de Las Vegas. It lies on the south-west side of
the city and extends towards the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mart%C3%AD_International_Airport>Josi
Martm International
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mart%C3%AD_International_Airport>Airp
ort.

Santiago de Las Vegas is south of the airport
with some farm land in between.  I found a map here:
http://www.maplandia.com/cuba/ciudad-de-la-habana/rancho-boyeros
  . . This should have a blue pointer east of the
airport that will be fairly close to our point of interest.

Calzada de Bejucal is part of a road numbered
"289" running north-east from the east end of the
airport.  Continue on 289 as the name changes to
Pje Stgo.  Then continue on 287 (Habana)  a few
more blocks.  Turn left (north) onto 102 (Sta
Rosa) until it crosses the river.  Then turn left
(west) onto Calabazar and go two blocks to Canas.

Canas and Calabazar are intersecting street names
just on the north side of the Rio Verde (river or
canal) about in line with 112 Espada (which is on
the south side of the river).  If this is the
right place, this may have it nailed down within a city block or so.

I suspect that Celedonio Bernal is the name of
his father or uncle, likely owner of the
residence at this address.  "Morro y Calzada de
Bejucal" (loosely translated by Babblefish) may
mean "Nose and Road of rattan field".  This may
refer to the street intersection where Canas dead
ends into the through road Calabazar.  Bejucal
(ratan field) may be the name of the prior farm
(field) where the housing division was
build.  All this is educated guesswork on my part.

In January 2003 I attempted to send a couple of
books by snail mail (slow boat).  Expected
delivery time would have been 3 to 6 weeks, but
the package never arived.  If you want to send a
letter, I suggest First Class Air Mail at the
very least.  Give a return snail mail address and
a working e-mail address, and ask for a response.

Barney Gaylord


At 09:21 AM 3/8/2010 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote:
>....
>I think that is in Havana.  I will send a letter
>but any help here would be appreciated


>At 07:12 PM 3/7/2010, Barney Gaylord wrote:
>>....
>>The home address given (several years ago) is:
>>     Celedonio Bernal
>>     #10416 e/ Morro y calzada de bejucal
>>     Las Caqas, Calabazar, Boyeros
>>     Ciudad Habana, CUBA
>>
>>Can anyone interpret this and pinpont it on a map of Havana?
>>....

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  8 13:46:11 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:46:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba NO LBC
In-Reply-To: <0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>,
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>,
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>,
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>,
	<0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>

It appears that the Chinese have not only taken over a former Soviet-era
listening post (Lourdes) but they have also constructed several of their own.
One is a SIGINT (signals intelligence) facility similar to Lourdes, and
another, it is speculated, is a cyber warfare center capable of cyber
intercept and attack.  The SIGINT facility woud be instantly recognizeable as
such by anyone who has seen one of our own NSA facilities.  (I'm sure there
are enough keywords in that paragraph to have it flagged and routed to the
spooks at Ft. Meade!)



Of course, it's not like the Chinese or the Cubans invented any of this, so
it's a little hard to get indignant about it.



-Mike uh... Smith

> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:35:53 -0500
> From: strovato at optonline.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cuba
>
> Google maps actually has coverage of that area. I found "Carretera A
> Bejucal" but not "Calzada de Bejucal". There's nothing on the map
> labeled "Huge Secret Chinese Listening Post" either. :-)
>
> At 12:58 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
> >This should be fairly easy to find. Calabazar is a neighborhood or section
of
> >Ranchos Boyeros, a townland south of Havana proper. "Calzada de Bejucal"
is
> >one of the main streets going into Calabazar. If you are staying in one of
> >the good hotels in Havana city, someone there should be able to arrange
> >delivery for you.
> >
> >
> >
> >"Ciudad Habana" is the state or province of Havana, which includes several
> >municipalities, including the city of Havana.
> >
> >
> >
> >Just a few miles south of this address is a huge "secret" Chinese
listening
> >post where they listen to telecommunications in the U.S.
> _______________________________________________
>
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From strovato at optonline.net  Mon Mar  8 14:11:18 2010
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba NO LBC
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
	<0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0KYZ00NZ2EVK0SL0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

As for the listening part, why don't they just set up their antennas 
in the United States?  Just listening to whatever is freely floating 
around in the airwaves is legal, isn't it?  They can always relay 
whatever they want elsewhere if they want to do anything that 
"crosses the line".

-Steve

At 03:46 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>It appears that the Chinese have not only taken over a former 
>Soviet-era listening post (Lourdes) but they have also constructed 
>several of their own.  One is a SIGINT (signals intelligence) 
>facility similar to Lourdes, and another, it is speculated, is a 
>cyber warfare center capable of cyber intercept and attack.  The 
>SIGINT facility woud be instantly recognizeable as such by anyone 
>who has seen one of our own NSA facilities.  (I'm sure there are 
>enough keywords in that paragraph to have it flagged and routed to 
>the spooks at Ft. Meade!)

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  8 14:42:30 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1NolCX-0004is-HO@gamma.look.ca>

Mike,

I have mailed off a letter to the address I was given.  I can do 
nothing until I hear from him (gave him my email address) - but it is 
cutting it fine as I leave on the 4th.April

Do you think I should practice downing huge quantities of ale before 
I leave? .....as well as puffing on those things rolled on a Cuban 
nubile female's thigh  - down boy down.




At 12:58 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>This should be fairly easy to find.  Calabazar is a neighborhood or 
>section of Ranchos Boyeros, a townland south of Havana 
>proper.  "Calzada de Bejucal" is one of the main streets going into 
>Calabazar.  If you are staying in one of the good hotels in Havana 
>city, someone there should be able to arrange delivery for you.
>
>"Ciudad Habana" is the state or province of Havana, which includes 
>several municipalities, including the city of Havana.
>
>Just a few miles south of this address is a huge "secret" Chinese 
>listening post where they listen to telecommunications in the U.S.
>
>I deny any official knowledge of any this.
>
>-Mike Eldred
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:21:12 -0500
> > To: barneymg at mgaguru.com; mgs at autox.team.net
> > From: barrie at look.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cuba
> >
> > Barney,
> >
> > I think that is in Havana. I will send a letter
> > but any help here would be appreciated
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 07:12 PM 3/7/2010, Barney Gaylord wrote:
> > >Ah-ha! Been waiting for someone who might be
> > >going there in person. That development stalled
> > >just before we could hand deliver a package by
> > >round about means when we lost e-mail contact
> > >with the MGA owner in Cuba. See here: http://mgaguru.com/guest/demis
> > >
> > >The home address given (several years ago) is:
> > > Celedonio Bernal
> > > #10416 e/ Morro y calzada de bejucal
> > > Las Caqas, Calabazar, Boyeros
> > > Ciudad Habana, CUBA
> > >
> > >Can anyone interpret this and pinpont it on a map of Havana?
> > >
> > >Barney Gaylord
> > >1958 MGA with an attitude
> > >http://MGAguru.com
> > >
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------------
> > >At 04:52 PM 3/7/2010 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote:
> > >>Some while back there was an effort to get some
> > >>MG parts to a bloke in Cuba and I wonder what
> > >>happened. My interest is triggered by the fact
> > >>that I have been compelled to go to a top rated
> > >>hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food, swallow as
> > >>much booze as I want, and no doubt will be
> > >>expected to smoke cigars. Regretfully there is no way I can get 
> out of it.
> > >>
> > >>So what happened ?
> > >>....
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Barrie
> > (705) 721-9060
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Mgs at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Suggested annual donation $12.75
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> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  8 15:16:40 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba NO LBC
In-Reply-To: <0KYZ00NZ2EVK0SL0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
	<0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>
	<0KYZ00NZ2EVK0SL0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <E1NolFw-0002XH-EY@theta.look.ca>

Steve,

ah!  But they do !!   The "listening post" is just another piece of a 
cardboard structure intended to confuse and bemuse.


At 04:11 PM 3/8/2010, Steven Trovato wrote:
>As for the listening part, why don't they just set up their antennas 
>in the United States?  Just listening to whatever is freely floating 
>around in the airwaves is legal, isn't it?  They can always relay 
>whatever they want elsewhere if they want to do anything that 
>"crosses the line".
>
>-Steve
>
>At 03:46 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>>It appears that the Chinese have not only taken over a former 
>>Soviet-era listening post (Lourdes) but they have also constructed 
>>several of their own.  One is a SIGINT (signals intelligence) 
>>facility similar to Lourdes, and another, it is speculated, is a 
>>cyber warfare center capable of cyber intercept and attack.  The 
>>SIGINT facility woud be instantly recognizeable as such by anyone 
>>who has seen one of our own NSA facilities.  (I'm sure there are 
>>enough keywords in that paragraph to have it flagged and routed to 
>>the spooks at Ft. Meade!)
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Mar  8 15:46:50 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:46:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1NolCX-0004is-HO@gamma.look.ca>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
	<E1NolCX-0004is-HO@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4B957E5A.8030208@justbrits.com>

You will NOT be coming back Barrie,

<< as well as puffing on those things rolled on a Cuban nubile
female's thigh - down boy down. >>

except FEET FIRST !!!!

But at least you will have "died and gone to Heaven." !!!

LMAO

From thgun at comporium.net  Mon Mar  8 18:32:06 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fw:  TURN SIGNAL LEVER
Message-ID: <0CB524649CF34D4AA62DF4699EDBC7D8@TOMPC>

Subject: TURN SIGNAL LEVER





I am looking for an original MGA style, black, turn signal lever. No
reproductions.
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA 1500 rst

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  8 15:50:44 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba NO LBC
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
	<101926.91719.qm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<E1Noe0C-00057g-EF@alpha.look.ca>
	<SNT124-W1143A38DEC5A5043A0E668B7350@phx.gbl>
	<0KYZ008NA7NINE50@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<SNT124-W50C108996CDD342A0C17CCB7350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1Np1dJ-0001sI-FU@theta.look.ca>

Defence has always been funny - well in parts.  I still am under the 
British secret services act and thus have to be stumpf for a few 
years yet - but some of what I was involved in sometimes smacked of 
Laurel & Hardy who as we all know were British spies in the USA !!  I 
surmise that the listening post fall somewhere close !!



At 03:46 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>It appears that the Chinese have not only taken over a former Soviet-era
>listening post (Lourdes) but they have also constructed several of their own.
>One is a SIGINT (signals intelligence) facility similar to Lourdes, and
>another, it is speculated, is a cyber warfare center capable of cyber
>intercept and attack.  The SIGINT facility woud be instantly recognizeable as
>such by anyone who has seen one of our own NSA facilities.  (I'm sure there
>are enough keywords in that paragraph to have it flagged and routed to the
>spooks at Ft. Meade!)
>
>
>
>Of course, it's not like the Chinese or the Cubans invented any of this, so
>it's a little hard to get indignant about it.
>
>
>
>-Mike uh... Smith
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:35:53 -0500
> > From: strovato at optonline.net
> > To: mgs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cuba
> >
> > Google maps actually has coverage of that area. I found "Carretera A
> > Bejucal" but not "Calzada de Bejucal". There's nothing on the map
> > labeled "Huge Secret Chinese Listening Post" either. :-)
> >
> > At 12:58 PM 3/8/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
> > >This should be fairly easy to find. Calabazar is a neighborhood or section
>of
> > >Ranchos Boyeros, a townland south of Havana proper. "Calzada de Bejucal"
>is
> > >one of the main streets going into Calabazar. If you are staying in one of
> > >the good hotels in Havana city, someone there should be able to arrange
> > >delivery for you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"Ciudad Habana" is the state or province of Havana, which includes several
> > >municipalities, including the city of Havana.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Just a few miles south of this address is a huge "secret" Chinese
>listening
> > >post where they listen to telecommunications in the U.S.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Mgs at autox.team.net
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Suggested annual donation $12.75
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Mar  7 17:05:16 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Cuba
In-Reply-To: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
References: <E1NoORE-00069e-2T@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4B943F3C.6020001@justbrits.com>

Who cares, Barrie.....

<< My interest is triggered by the fact that I have been
compelled to go to a top rated hotel in Cuba, eat gourmet food,
swallow as much booze as I want, and no doubt will be
expected to smoke cigars.  Regretfully there is no way I can get
out of it.

So what happened ? >>

I would [reluctantly, of course] be willing to "stand
in" for you.  And even better, timing would NOT be
a problem for me.

Just tell "whom ever" and myself at the same time
so I have at least overnite so I make break appoint-
ments, etc. please.  NO problem if even 'overnite'
notice is not possible.  Few hours is ALL I need !!!

Anxiously awaiting info/contact info !!

Ed

PS:  YOU will have to relate above to the V8 List as
.........I am not on it.

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Mar 10 17:50:12 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Help with BCCI
Message-ID: <E1NpWcG-0000dX-Pz@gamma.look.ca>

I think you must know that I started the British Car Cottage 
Industries (BCCI) a not-for-profit web site to showcase goodies, not 
generally known) for Brit cars.  Recently the Stats Count has gone to 
nothing.  So I wonder what is happening.  Would you please go to 
www.britcot.com to pump up the web count.  If there is still no hits 
then I know its the Stat Counter.

Thanks in advance for you help

Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Thu Mar 11 05:22:17 2010
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings Fellow Mg persons. 


Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg while it's running, it will wreck the alternator. 


P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out this valuable information. 
Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know the make, model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit. 


also, I am offered a Jaguar MK 2. year unknown. Team.net seems to be missing a jaguar list. Perhaps for good reason. 
I would like to find out the year of this car. 
I can email the #s found on the plate under the bonnet if anyone has the book to look it up. otherwise I'll go to Amazon and pay more money. 


I have seen the car, it has rust. Big suprize there! 
old toggle type switches. 
push button strater switch. 
that great jag engine and a 4sp with overdrive. 


Tempting, though of course, I hear a faint voice crying softly "run!! run as fast as you can! 
while the angel (or is it the other way around?)on the other shoulder whispers quietly about how cool the car would be after a bit of work. 


email me privately if you can help. 
I'll send the numers on the plate. 


Tia. 


Eric. 
Already too many cars, what's one more? 

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 11 11:06:46 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:06:46 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C7BE7136.27C12%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I believe the Bosch is from a Ford... 1991 Probe is what comes to mind...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 3/11/10 4:22 AM, cyberemp at comcast.net at cyberemp at comcast.net wrote:

> Greetings Fellow Mg persons.
> 
> 
> Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg while it's
> running, it will wreck the alternator.
> 
> 
> P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out this valuable
> information. 
> Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know the make,
> model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit.
> 
> 
> also, I am offered a Jaguar MK 2. year unknown. Team.net seems to be missing a
> jaguar list. Perhaps for good reason.
> I would like to find out the year of this car.
> I can email the #s found on the plate under the bonnet if anyone has the book
> to look it up. otherwise I'll go to Amazon and pay more money.
> 
> 
> I have seen the car, it has rust. Big suprize there!
> old toggle type switches.
> push button strater switch.
> that great jag engine and a 4sp with overdrive.
> 
> 
> Tempting, though of course, I hear a faint voice crying softly "run!! run as
> fast as you can! 
> while the angel (or is it the other way around?)on the other shoulder whispers
> quietly about how cool the car would be after a bit of work.
> 
> 
> email me privately if you can help.
> I'll send the numers on the plate.
> 
> 
> Tia. 
> 
> 
> Eric. 
> Already too many cars, what's one more?

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 11:48:04 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <C7BE7136.27C12%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<C7BE7136.27C12%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003111048k79b209edgdc9271cef3df8c98@mail.gmail.com>

> http://www.boicey.com/comics/practical_jaguar.html
>
>
>
>
> on 3/11/10 4:22 AM, cyberemp at comcast.net at cyberemp at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >
> > also, I am offered a Jaguar MK 2. year unknown. Team.net seems to be
> missing a
> > jaguar list. Perhaps for good reason.
> > I would like to find out the year of this car.
> > I can email the #s found on the plate under the bonnet if anyone has the
> book
> > to look it up. otherwise I'll go to Amazon and pay more money.
> >
> >
> > I have seen the car, it has rust. Big suprize there!
> > old toggle type switches.
> > push button strater switch.
> > that great jag engine and a 4sp with overdrive.
> >
> >
> > Tempting, though of course, I hear a faint voice crying softly "run!! run
> as
> > fast as you can!
> > while the angel (or is it the other way around?)on the other shoulder
> whispers
> > quietly about how cool the car would be after a bit of work.
> >
> >
> > email me privately if you can help.
> > I'll send the numers on the plate.
> >
> >
> > Tia.
> >
> >
> > Eric.
> > Already too many cars, what's one more?
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From peter at nosimport.com  Thu Mar 11 12:00:22 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:00:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emery
	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <201003111100607.SM06964@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

I don't specifically know what Moss sells for this, but over the 
years the most popular as it was easiest is from a Ford Fiesta (not 
Festiva). The Fiesta was in the late 70's front wheel drive made in 
Germany from the British Ford Cortina engine. So, the mountings, etc. 
worked for the Lucas alternator when in a Cortina, and of course the 
German Fiesta would've used the Bosch unit. They freely interchange, 
and the Bosch unit is/was 55 amps.
         Peter C
BTW, it is NEVER a good idea to unplug an alternator while the car is 
running... any car.

=====
At 06:22 AM 3/11/2010, cyberemp at comcast.net wrote:
>Greetings Fellow Mg persons.
>
>
>Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg 
>while it's running, it will wreck the alternator.
>
>
>P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out 
>this valuable information.
>Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know 
>the make, model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit.

From rstarkweather at scottmadden.com  Thu Mar 11 12:18:41 2010
From: rstarkweather at scottmadden.com (Richard D Starkweather)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <201003111100607.SM06964@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <C7BEAC41.C54C%rstarkweather@scottmadden.com>

I probably have a used Fiesta alternator I9d be willing to sell FWIW.

Rick Starkweather, Partner | O: 919-781-4191 | M: 919-345-9871
ScottMadden Inc. | 2626 Glenwood Ave, #480 | Raleigh, NC 27608 |
scottmadden.com
rstarkweather at scottmadden.com



From: Peter Caldwell <peter at nosimport.com>
Organization: Net Interaction
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:00:22 -0500
To: <cyberemp at comcast.net>, MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?

I don't specifically know what Moss sells for this, but over the
years the most popular as it was easiest is from a Ford Fiesta (not
Festiva). The Fiesta was in the late 70's front wheel drive made in
Germany from the British Ford Cortina engine. So, the mountings, etc.
worked for the Lucas alternator when in a Cortina, and of course the
German Fiesta would've used the Bosch unit. They freely interchange,
and the Bosch unit is/was 55 amps.
         Peter C
BTW, it is NEVER a good idea to unplug an alternator while the car is
running... any car.

=====
At 06:22 AM 3/11/2010, cyberemp at comcast.net wrote:
>Greetings Fellow Mg persons.
>
>
>Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg
>while it's running, it will wreck the alternator.
>
>
>P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out
>this valuable information.
>Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know
>the make, model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit.
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 11 13:58:45 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Jag MKII/alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W18F52CC0BCE5D67D4FC01EB7320@phx.gbl>

I had a 1960 Jag MKII with the automatic transmission when I was in the
service.  Great car - great driver and great looking.  When I went to Germany,
it was damaged in transit (from Hawaii) and I ended up selling it to an
American civilian living in Bavaria who wanted to give it a complete
restoration.  Sadly, I was never able to enjoy it on European roads.



If it's in the Northeast and you decide not to take it, feel free to pass it
along my way!



-Mike Eldred

Wilmington, VT

'54 MG TF

'73 Midget





> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:17 +0000
> From: cyberemp at comcast.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
>
> Greetings Fellow Mg persons.
>
>
> Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg while it's
running, it will wreck the alternator.
>
>
> P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out this
valuable information.
> Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know the
make, model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit.
>
>
> also, I am offered a Jaguar MK 2. year unknown. Team.net seems to be missing
a jaguar list. Perhaps for good reason.
> I would like to find out the year of this car.
> I can email the #s found on the plate under the bonnet if anyone has the
book to look it up. otherwise I'll go to Amazon and pay more money.
>
>
> I have seen the car, it has rust. Big suprize there!
> old toggle type switches.
> push button strater switch.
> that great jag engine and a 4sp with overdrive.
>
>
> Tempting, though of course, I hear a faint voice crying softly "run!! run as
fast as you can!
> while the angel (or is it the other way around?)on the other shoulder
whispers quietly about how cool the car would be after a bit of work.
>
>
> email me privately if you can help.
> I'll send the numers on the plate.
>
>
> Tia.
>
>
> Eric.
> Already too many cars, what's one more?
> _______________________________________________
>
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From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 14:01:25 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:01:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator Sold by Moss
Message-ID: <48720d21003111301v179266a9s673c526bc2960d21@mail.gmail.com>

Before you get involved with an alternator that is hard to find try this URL
http://mgccars.com/100_amp_alternator_upgrade.htm

>From the information on web site it seems to be a direct replacement for the
Lucas with only a few minor wiring changes required. It is a common GM
alternator with plenty of oomph for even my Ham transmitter. Any auto store
will have them if anything goes wroing.  I plan to do this once my B  comes
out of storage. Next will be my C.

The usual disclaimer applies. I have never met the owner, other than buying
my rear shock kit from him at at super price. He obviously doesn't charge
extra because our cars are *antique collector cars.
*
Jack

From PRNDL at sonic.net  Thu Mar 11 14:05:53 2010
From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:05:53 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Jag Mk II
Message-ID: <0B486382-FC1A-42E4-90CE-992F985653C7@sonic.net>

I owned a 1965 Mk II 3.8 for several years, loved it and still regret selling
it. Based on that experience, however, I would *not* recommend buying a rusted
out Mark II. It is an EXTREMELY complex body and has lots of lead filler from
the factory. This is a perfect example of why you should buy the best Mark II
you can lay your hands on. It has tons of bright chrome and polished aluminum
and there's no straight surface on the entire body. You'll spend far, far more
time and money trying to fix up a beater than you will buying a nice car to
begin with. However, as always, your mileage may vary.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 11 15:18:13 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:18:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
References: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><C7BE7136.27C12%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<a3b984e11003111048k79b209edgdc9271cef3df8c98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <867558E117524CFABDB327CDDDFAF6C7@Edscomputer>

List,

I just purchased a Bosch alternator for my other British car and can confirm 
that it's from a 78-80 Ford Fiesta. Bolts right up, but required a couple of 
minor wiring alterations. Got it from Auto Zone. Comes with a lifetime 
guarantee.

While I'm on the subject of alternators, I purchased a Lucas rebuilt for my 
'72 MGB form Auto Zone last year before becoming aware of the Bosch 
alternative. Around $75 at that time and also carries a lifetime guarantee.

Of course, like many of you, almost everything I buy will be the last one, a 
life time guarantee of sorts I suppose.

Ed Woods 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 12 01:52:07 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:52:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
References: <1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8F6D8920487C461DBBCCB17059B48D21@paul>

Disconnect the ground where?  There are exhortations not to disconnect the 
battery while the engine is running, but I've had several senior moments and 
turned off my cut-off switch (no bypass fuse) before turning off the 
ignition with no ill effects (so far!).  Can hardly be recommended, though, 
maybe your alternator was on the way out anyway.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg while it's 
> running, it will wreck the alternator.

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 12 09:02:44 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Jag MKII/OFF TOPIC WARNING! Delete it if you don't like
	it!
In-Reply-To: <4B997366.4030505@justbrits.com>
References: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<SNT124-W18F52CC0BCE5D67D4FC01EB7320@phx.gbl>,
	<4B997366.4030505@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W89BA03ED264D31357FD4FB7310@phx.gbl>

I almost hate to see them, as every time I'm reminded that I never should have
let mine go. But I was young and in the Army, and I didn't have the cash or
the place to give it the attention it deserved.



The guy I sold it to, Bill Murray, was one of the most interesting people I've
ever known.  He was a specialty furniture manufacturer in the tiny town of
Pahl, Germany.  He was an accomplished sailor and a pilot who built several of
his own planes, including a reproduction Bleriot.  At the time, he was
restoring a tiny, one-man German experimental airplane flown during the 1936
Olympics.  He had rescued the plane from a trash heap in Yugoslavia.



He was very much a "regular Joe" to talk to, but he once served as Adnan
Khashoggi's yacht captain and counted King Hussein of Jordan among his
acquaintences.  The pen he used to sign the check for the Jag was a platinum
and gold woven Tiffany piece given to him by the King.  He just tossed it back
in a junk drawer afterward.



So I guess it went to a good home, anyway.  What a journey it had - from
England to California to Hawaii to Germany.  I wonder where it is now.


Cheers,

-Mike


Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:49:10 -0600
From: shop at justbrits.com
To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [______Mgs] Jag MKII/alternator sold by moss?

Want some old, fond memories, Mike <VBG> ?????

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z2385/Jaguar-MK-II.aspx

Enjoy [and I AM lusting in my heart - LMAO]

Ed

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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 09:20:29 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:20:29 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Jag MKII/OFF TOPIC WARNING! Delete it if you don't like
 it!
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W89BA03ED264D31357FD4FB7310@phx.gbl>
References: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<SNT124-W18F52CC0BCE5D67D4FC01EB7320@phx.gbl>
	<4B997366.4030505@justbrits.com>
	<SNT124-W89BA03ED264D31357FD4FB7310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003120820i75ded68fj6ec5e5d5410363c1@mail.gmail.com>

Great story, thanks for sharing.
R

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Mike Eldred <redscirocco at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I almost hate to see them, as every time I'm reminded that I never should
> have
> let mine go. But I was young and in the Army, and I didn't have the cash or
> the place to give it the attention it deserved.
>
>
>
> The guy I sold it to, Bill Murray, was one of the most interesting people
> I've
> ever known.  He was a specialty furniture manufacturer in the tiny town of
> Pahl, Germany.  He was an accomplished sailor and a pilot who built several
> of
> his own planes, including a reproduction Bleriot.  At the time, he was
> restoring a tiny, one-man German experimental airplane flown during the
> 1936
> Olympics.  He had rescued the plane from a trash heap in Yugoslavia.
>
>
>
> He was very much a "regular Joe" to talk to, but he once served as Adnan
> Khashoggi's yacht captain and counted King Hussein of Jordan among his
> acquaintences.  The pen he used to sign the check for the Jag was a
> platinum
> and gold woven Tiffany piece given to him by the King.  He just tossed it
> back
> in a junk drawer afterward.
>
>
>
> So I guess it went to a good home, anyway.  What a journey it had - from
> England to California to Hawaii to Germany.  I wonder where it is now.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:49:10 -0600
> From: shop at justbrits.com
> To: redscirocco at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [______Mgs] Jag MKII/alternator sold by moss?
>
> Want some old, fond memories, Mike <VBG> ?????
>
> http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z2385/Jaguar-MK-II.aspx
>
> Enjoy [and I AM lusting in my heart - LMAO]
>
> Ed
>
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From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Fri Mar 12 10:03:13 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:03:13 EST
Subject: [Mgs] ALL BRITISH CAR MEET AND AUTO JUMBLE on 3-14-2010 Van Nuys, CA
Message-ID: <905f.312d8608.38cbcdd1@aol.com>

Hey All LBC lovers (and not so LBC lovers (Jags, Bentleys Rolls Land  
Rovers, etc.)

This coming Sunday March 14, 201O there will be a 
                      ---==BIG==---  
ALL BRITISH CAR MEET AND AUTO JUMBLE 
at WOODLEY  PARK, VAN NUYS, CA 
SUNDAY, MARCH 14, 2010 - 9 AM  to 4 PM
 
To assure you get a good spot, arrive there early, as I've seen the  entry 
line really back up, plus it'll give you time to get out and talk to the  
other people waiting for the gates to open
  
Directions: Woodley Ave. between Burbank Blvd and Victory  Blvd just North 
of the intersection of the 405 and 101 Freeways (531 F7)
 
THE WOODLEY PARK ALL BRITISH CAR MEET AND AUTO JUMBLE--March 14,  2010 --9 
AM to 4 PM  
This will be a non-judged "meet" designed for the enthusiast and serious  
collector alike. All British marques ( cars and motorcycles) are welcome.
An  area will be set aside for an Auto Jumble (Swap Meet). Vendor spaces 
are the  same price as show entries. There will be food, music and general 
merriment. The  event is free to spectators.
We are sure it will be day you don't want to  miss. 
 
Contact us via Email at: _info at queens-english.org_ 
(mailto:info at queens-english.org)   or by  voice, 1-(626) 797-4221.
Or you can go online at _www.Queens-English.org_ 
(http://www.Queens-English.org) .  Click on the link provided for you to get a map and  directions.
--=Safety-Fast!
Alberto Escalante 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 18:46:22 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:46:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] huh?
Message-ID: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>

'76 TR7 $18,000. 

I guess the Laylande parts and the DGOE "carbuartors" are expensive.

That's not BGR.

http://tinyurl.com/yb8yjud

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Mar 12 19:04:21 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] huh?
In-Reply-To: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
References: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9AF2A5.8000107@bradakis.com>

> That's not BGR.
>
>   

Well, that depends.  Perhaps your typo on BRG really stands for

Basic Gag Reflex


mjb.

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 12 19:45:55 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:45:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] huh?
In-Reply-To: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
References: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9AFC63.1030108@justbrits.com>

<< BGR. >>

er, 'G' for 'gross', Paul <VBG> !!!!

Ed

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 12 22:01:31 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:01:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] huh?
In-Reply-To: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
References: <40A36A77-90F8-4DA2-A100-4E8768B2F6DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W613C9F144C80F83141090EB7300@phx.gbl>

Seems like it's been BGR'd to me.

> From: ptrmgb at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:46:22 -0600
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] huh?
>
> '76 TR7 $18,000.
>
> I guess the Laylande parts and the DGOE "carbuartors" are expensive.
>
> That's not BGR.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yb8yjud
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Mar 12 23:59:33 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:59:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
Message-ID: <4B9B37D5.5080306@bradakis.com>

So a while back I mention how the Triumph folks were posting
pictures of themselves and their cars on the Team.Net forums at
http://www.team.net/forums

The Triumph folks are up to three pages, MG people have 1, yes,
just *one* entry.  Are MG people just, uh, well, I better be nice.
Lovely year for this time of weather.


mjb.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 07:53:46 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:53:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <4B9B37D5.5080306@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <723608.13867.qm@web112113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> The Triumph
folks are up to three pages, MG people have 1,
> yes,
> just *one* entry.  Are
MG people just, uh, well, I
> better be nice.
> Lovely year for this time of
weather.

MG people are just smart enough to set up their own web sites.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Mar 13 10:32:59 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:32:59 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Cool footage of the Alps
Message-ID: <8E5E2CD063EA4A0596B09D5375672919@uw471de61b465c>

Hi fellow listers,

One of the Dutch MG freaks went to the Alps last summer.
Seems to be great fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9SI78niN3A

Cheers,

Hans Duinhoven
71 BGT NRG

From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Sat Mar 13 12:39:29 2010
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:39:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1268506802.15872.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1268506802.15872.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2D62879D7C464CEB91599E087111EEA3@EricJRussellPC>

Maybe most of the MG guys are in witness protection? Or their parole 
officers decline permission to post photos on-line?

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell
----- Original Message -----
> Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
> To: MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <4B9B37D5.5080306 at bradakis.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> So a while back I mention how the Triumph folks were posting
> pictures of themselves and their cars on the Team.Net forums at
> http://www.team.net/forums
>
> The Triumph folks are up to three pages, MG people have 1, yes,
> just *one* entry.  Are MG people just, uh, well, I better be nice.
> Lovely year for this time of weather.
>
>
> mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Mar 13 13:09:34 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:09:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <2D62879D7C464CEB91599E087111EEA3@EricJRussellPC>
References: <mailman.7.1268506802.15872.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<2D62879D7C464CEB91599E087111EEA3@EricJRussellPC>
Message-ID: <4B9BF0FE.4080006@bradakis.com>

Eric J Russell wrote:
> Maybe most of the MG guys are in witness protection? Or their parole 
> officers decline permission to post photos on-line?
>
>

I like this explanation better than David B.'s !


mjb.

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Mar 16 08:36:46 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <4B9BF0FE.4080006@bradakis.com>
References: <mailman.7.1268506802.15872.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<2D62879D7C464CEB91599E087111EEA3@EricJRussellPC>
	<4B9BF0FE.4080006@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4B9FA58E.6010200@ktc.com>

   I have several photos of my B but none of me with it.  I need to get 
it out of the garage and have my wife take a pic of me & the car.   Not 
today though.  It's raining.

   CR

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 16 08:52:08 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:52:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <4B9FA58E.6010200@ktc.com>
References: <mailman.7.1268506802.15872.mgs@autox.team.net><2D62879D7C464CEB91599E087111EEA3@EricJRussellPC><4B9BF0FE.4080006@bradakis.com>
	<4B9FA58E.6010200@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D62C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Well this weekend I finally dug my BGT out of the snow drift that it has
been buried in since sometime in November although the snow was starting
slowly to melt off. Drove it about 30 miles yesterday and am driving it
again today. Still have to get the 72 B out in the next few days.
Normally I drive them on fair weather days, even in the winter, but this
year was one of the heaviest snow seasons in over a decade.

David Councill

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Charley & Peggy Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:37 AM
To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] What happened?


   I have several photos of my B but none of me with it.  I need to get
it out of the garage and have my wife take a pic of me & the car.   Not
today though.  It's raining.

   CR

From maine2me at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 17 13:22:01 2010
From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Jag MKII/alternator sold by moss?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W18F52CC0BCE5D67D4FC01EB7320@phx.gbl>
References: <278926149.3302631268310130655.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>,
	<1631646101.3302651268310137416.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<SNT124-W18F52CC0BCE5D67D4FC01EB7320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <535935.99168.qm@web114111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hmmm...what motor is in this Jag? 3.8? I'm half heartedly looking for a 3.8 liter engine and trans. No looking for a whole car...especially if it's really rusted out.

Thanks!
Dan


----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Eldred <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
To: cyberemp at comcast.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 3:58:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Jag MKII/alternator sold by moss?

I had a 1960 Jag MKII with the automatic transmission when I was in the
service.  Great car - great driver and great looking.  When I went to Germany,
it was damaged in transit (from Hawaii) and I ended up selling it to an
American civilian living in Bavaria who wanted to give it a complete
restoration.  Sadly, I was never able to enjoy it on European roads.



If it's in the Northeast and you decide not to take it, feel free to pass it
along my way!



-Mike Eldred

Wilmington, VT

'54 MG TF

'73 Midget





> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:17 +0000
> From: cyberemp at comcast.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] alternator sold by moss?
>
> Greetings Fellow Mg persons.
>
>
> Funny, turns out that when you disconnect the ground on your mg while it's
running, it will wreck the alternator.
>
>
> P.O put a Bosche alt. kit from moss in the mg before I found out this
valuable information.
> Does anyone know what the alt. comes from? They always want to know the
make, model, year of the car, but this was an aftermarket kit.
>
>
> also, I am offered a Jaguar MK 2. year unknown. Team.net seems to be missing
a jaguar list. Perhaps for good reason.
> I would like to find out the year of this car.
> I can email the #s found on the plate under the bonnet if anyone has the
book to look it up. otherwise I'll go to Amazon and pay more money.
>
>
> I have seen the car, it has rust. Big suprize there!
> old toggle type switches.
> push button strater switch.
> that great jag engine and a 4sp with overdrive.
>
>
> Tempting, though of course, I hear a faint voice crying softly "run!! run as
fast as you can!
> while the angel (or is it the other way around?)on the other shoulder
whispers quietly about how cool the car would be after a bit of work.
>
>
> email me privately if you can help.
> I'll send the numers on the plate.
>
>
> Tia.
>
>
> Eric.
> Already too many cars, what's one more?
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Wed Mar 17 17:34:07 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:34:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12C74@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I am battling the infamous slave cylinder hose and it seems a tighter
fit in the Mk1 MGB (64). I am trying to remove it but am trying to
figure out the tool I need. I lowered my largest crowfoot wrench (3/4")
to gauge the size of the nut and its too small. Does anyone know the
size wrench I need for this? And maybe the preferred tool for removing
and replacing?



David Councill

64 B

67 BGT

72 B

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar 18 02:17:07 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:17:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12C74@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <410EEA343D4247B4BF9345BFD53E2A70@paul>

>From memory three different sizes are needed.  The largest is on the bottom, 
part of the hose, if you are replacing the hose you can cut it off and use a 
socket on it.  The real tricky devils are the flare nut and hose lock-nut on 
top of the chassis bracket.  You may have to cut/grind all the hose off 
below the bracket then pull the upper part down to part the pipe from the 
stub of the hose.

----- Original Message ----- 

>I am battling the infamous slave cylinder hose and it seems a tighter
> fit in the Mk1 MGB (64). I am trying to remove it but am trying to
> figure out the tool I need. 

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Mar 18 07:51:45 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
Message-ID: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>

  In the dark and the dirt, this can be a hassle.  Unfasten the slave
cylinder, then access to the hose ends is a bit easier.  You might need a
Whitworth adjustable wrench for this job. Left-handed ones are best. 
Bob


 
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:34:07 -0600 "Councill, David"
<dcouncill at msubillings.edu> writes:
> I am battling the infamous slave cylinder hose and it seems a 
> tighter
> fit in the Mk1 MGB (64). I am trying to remove it but am trying to
> figure out the tool I need. I lowered my largest crowfoot wrench 
> (3/4")
> to gauge the size of the nut and its too small. Does anyone know 
> the
> size wrench I need for this? And maybe the preferred tool for 
> removing
> and replacing?
> 
> 
> 
> David Councill
> 
> 64 B
> 
> 67 BGT
> 
> 72 B
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Thu Mar 18 08:16:28 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:16:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
In-Reply-To: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12CBE@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Based on the replies, it looks like I did not go into enough detail. I
have already removed the slave cylinder and I also removed the steel
hose that connects to the other side of this flexible hose. Both were
fairly easy to undo. The problem is the nut holding the hose to the
chassis bracket. Trying to undo it under the car I have to do it by
feel; topside I have to deal with limited space and need to extend
myself. Ed at JustBrits has suggested moving the steel line and using a
deep socket. Or if I could determine the proper size crowfoot wrench, I
think that might work. But my question was/is what size I am looking at.
I know it's a fair bit larger than 3/4" - possibly a 7/8" but I'm just
guessing. I could probably use an adjustable wrench but due to the size
of the nut, I probably need at least an 8" wrench and more room, meaning
having to remove the starter and probably the oil filter. I'll get the
hose off this weekend, one way or another, just looking for the most
efficient way.

David Councill


-----Original Message-----
From: MGBOB [mailto:mgbob at juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:52 AM
To: Councill, David
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose


  In the dark and the dirt, this can be a hassle.  Unfasten the slave
cylinder, then access to the hose ends is a bit easier.  You might need
a Whitworth adjustable wrench for this job. Left-handed ones are best.
Bob

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 08:25:02 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:25:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] RE:  clutch slave cylinder hose
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12CBE@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12CBE@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <39211096-0E28-45B1-A756-99F58442B6A9@gmail.com>

I think Paul Tegler measured it at 15/16"

On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Councill, David wrote:

> Based on the replies, it looks like I did not go into enough detail. I
> have already removed the slave cylinder and I also removed the steel
> hose that connects to the other side of this flexible hose. Both were
> fairly easy to undo. The problem is the nut holding the hose to the
> chassis bracket. Trying to undo it under the car I have to do it by
> feel; topside I have to deal with limited space and need to extend
> myself. Ed at JustBrits has suggested moving the steel line and using a
> deep socket. Or if I could determine the proper size crowfoot wrench, I
> think that might work. But my question was/is what size I am looking at.
> I know it's a fair bit larger than 3/4" - possibly a 7/8" but I'm just
> guessing. I could probably use an adjustable wrench but due to the size
> of the nut, I probably need at least an 8" wrench and more room, meaning
> having to remove the starter and probably the oil filter. I'll get the
> hose off this weekend, one way or another, just looking for the most
> efficient way.
> 
> David Councill

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Mar 18 18:50:59 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
Message-ID: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>

I have updated all three [3] lists of items For Sale
on my site as of today as I have had an edict from
SWMBO !!!!!

There are some MGA, MGB and Spridget things in
Parts F.S. !

There is a goodly amount of Healey [Big & Small]
items in Memorabilia F.S. !!

I DO have more to add, so please watch !!

Happy hunting & Good Luck !!!


Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 18 20:05:46 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
In-Reply-To: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W23E868035689F46531186DB72A0@phx.gbl>

A left-handed Whitworth adjustable wrench?  Oh, great.  Like my tool box isn't
already crowded enough with my set of nesting SAE adjustable wrenches and my
reverse metric ratchets!


-Mike Eldred

Wilmington, VT

'73 Midget

'54 MG TF


> To: dcouncill at msubillings.edu
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:51:45 -0400
> From: mgbob at juno.com
> CC: mgs at autox.team.net; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
>
> In the dark and the dirt, this can be a hassle. Unfasten the slave
> cylinder, then access to the hose ends is a bit easier. You might need a
> Whitworth adjustable wrench for this job. Left-handed ones are best.
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:34:07 -0600 "Councill, David"
> <dcouncill at msubillings.edu> writes:
> > I am battling the infamous slave cylinder hose and it seems a
> > tighter
> > fit in the Mk1 MGB (64). I am trying to remove it but am trying to
> > figure out the tool I need. I lowered my largest crowfoot wrench
> > (3/4")
> > to gauge the size of the nut and its too small. Does anyone know
> > the
> > size wrench I need for this? And maybe the preferred tool for
> > removing
> > and replacing?
> >
> >
> >
> > David Councill
> >
> > 64 B
> >
> > 67 BGT
> >
> > 72 B
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Mar 18 20:31:19 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] clutch slave cylinder hose
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W23E868035689F46531186DB72A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20100318.080008.3247.346036@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com>
	<SNT124-W23E868035689F46531186DB72A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4BA2F007.8050107@bradakis.com>

Mike Eldred wrote:
> A left-handed Whitworth adjustable wrench?  

I was in a bit of a bind once working on my old 1987 Civic Si,
and tried to use mine on a metric fastener.  Still have the scar
on my knuckle.  Lesson learned.


mjb.

From atweditor at aol.com  Fri Mar 19 06:21:13 2010
From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:21:13 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>

 Ed,

Visited your page and got puzzled. Where are you located, solar-system-wise?
This date of a posting leaves that question in doubt:

Updated 29/21/10 !

Cheers,

Jay Donoghue
72MGB-GT
66 Mustang






-----Original Message-----
From: Shop at " Just Brits " <shop at justbrits.com>
To: 4 - bugeye at yahoo <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>; 4 - Healeys
<healeys at Autox.Team.Net>; 4 - MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>; 4 -MidgetSprite -
Yahoo <Midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; 4 - Spridgets
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:50 pm
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!


I have updated all three [3] lists of items For Sale
on my site as of today as I have had an edict from
SWMBO !!!!!

There are some MGA, MGB and Spridget things in
Parts F.S. !

There is a goodly amount of Healey [Big & Small]
items in Memorabilia F.S. !!

I DO have more to add, so please watch !!

Happy hunting & Good Luck !!!

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 06:25:42 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:25:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
	<8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003190625g44293e1ey5c892d2fb7ae9335@mail.gmail.com>

Simple that would be JanDecMay 21, 2010.
Ed uses a Whitworth calendar.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:21 AM, <atweditor at aol.com> wrote:

>  Ed,
>
> Visited your page and got puzzled. Where are you located,
> solar-system-wise?
> This date of a posting leaves that question in doubt:
>
> Updated 29/21/10 !
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jay Donoghue
> 72MGB-GT
> 66 Mustang
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shop at " Just Brits " <shop at justbrits.com>
> To: 4 - bugeye at yahoo <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>; 4 - Healeys
> <healeys at Autox.Team.Net>; 4 - MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>; 4
> -MidgetSprite -
> Yahoo <Midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; 4 - Spridgets
> <spridgets at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 18, 2010 9:50 pm
> Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
>
>
> I have updated all three [3] lists of items For Sale
> on my site as of today as I have had an edict from
> SWMBO !!!!!
>
> There are some MGA, MGB and Spridget things in
> Parts F.S. !
>
> There is a goodly amount of Healey [Big & Small]
> items in Memorabilia F.S. !!
>
> I DO have more to add, so please watch !!
>
> Happy hunting & Good Luck !!!
>
> Ed
> Please visit MY site at:
> www.justbrits.com
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>
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 06:52:28 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:52:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
	<8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF529DA8-06C7-49BB-B954-77118D9A3E06@gmail.com>

That's Chicago for you.

On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:21 AM, atweditor at aol.com wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Visited your page and got puzzled. Where are you located,
solar-system-wise?
> This date of a posting leaves that question in doubt:
>
> Updated 29/21/10 !
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jay Donoghue
> 72MGB-GT
> 66 Mustang

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Fri Mar 19 07:02:07 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:02:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] What happened?
In-Reply-To: <4B9B37D5.5080306@bradakis.com>
References: <4B9B37D5.5080306@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4BA383DF.2060704@ktc.com>

  Now there are two!  Pic is a little fuzzy.  I'm wrestling with new 
software.

   CR

On 3/13/2010 12:59 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> So a while back I mention how the Triumph folks were posting
> pictures of themselves and their cars on the Team.Net forums at
> http://www.team.net/forums
>
> The Triumph folks are up to three pages, MG people have 1, yes,
> just *one* entry.  Are MG people just, uh, well, I better be nice.
> Lovely year for this time of weather.
>
>
> mjb.
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From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 19 09:46:24 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:46:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
	<8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4BA3AA60.2000802@justbrits.com>

<< This date of a posting leaves that question in doubt:

*Updated 29/21/10 !* >>

Now that you have driven me CLOSER to insanity Jay,
WHERE is that "date" ???   Dam*ed if I can find it !?!

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 19 09:48:33 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003190625g44293e1ey5c892d2fb7ae9335@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>	
	<8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<a3b984e11003190625g44293e1ey5c892d2fb7ae9335@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA3AAE1.5040902@justbrits.com>

<< Ed uses a Whitworth calendar. >>

Lord NO Rick, tools are bad enough !! <G>
 
Huuum, tnx for idea !!  Got some extra of those I
should let go <G> !!

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 19 09:50:50 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:50:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <EF529DA8-06C7-49BB-B954-77118D9A3E06@gmail.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
	<8CC957E2E1E231E-43C8-1AA80@webmail-m091.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF529DA8-06C7-49BB-B954-77118D9A3E06@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA3AB6A.6080407@justbrits.com>

CLOSE, Paul <G> !!

<< That's Chicago for you.  >>


Yer right about THAT but [thank G*d] I escaped
living in City or equally as bad - Cook Co, <VBG> !!

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 19 09:52:26 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:52:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Healeys] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <5caeedb51003182222q6b68d101wbcb3f2eb7ca2b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BA2D883.2010204@justbrits.com>
	<5caeedb51003182222q6b68d101wbcb3f2eb7ca2b0f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA3ABCA.2040907@justbrits.com>

<< my car is still for sale and i appreciate it on your site. >>

Glad to do it, Ron !!

Just wish somebody would buy her that would be
such as good a caretaker as you have been !!

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 10:36:17 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Stuff !!
In-Reply-To: <4BA3AA60.2000802@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <601713.26396.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Shop at " Just Brits " <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> << This date of a posting
> leaves that question in doubt:
> 
> *Updated 29/21/10 !* >>

Oh, that's easy, Europeans and Americans write dates in a
different order.  That's clearly Octember Leventyleventh.

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 19 13:09:27 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: ogeye Club..... News from Blighty]
Message-ID: <4BA3D9F7.2060903@justbrits.com>

 From the Bugeye List !!! Nice <G> !!! Who is gonna
be FIRST to get one ???

-------- Original Message --------

Here's a little newsie-news item that some might enjoy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1259137/McLaren-takes-Ferrari-affordable-green-supercar-dubbed-F1-car-road.html#ixzz0idqVBoeS 
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1259137/McLaren-takes-Ferrari-affordable-green-supercar-dubbed-F1-car-road.html#ixzz0idqVBoeS> 


The article measures the engine output by the number of Ford Fiesta that 
represents. I wonder how many bugeye sprite equivalents that translates 
to? Let's see, 600 divided by 43...

George in Maryland

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From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Mar 20 09:58:57 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:58:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
Message-ID: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
Car is pos. ground...replaced coil, no change.....switch on, fuel pump  
works, lights, getting gas...no spark out of coil....
Where to look next?
Car ran finecoming into garage and then  it didn't.
Dave

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 10:27:14 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:27:14 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
In-Reply-To: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1370D7D1-1635-4304-A4BD-983EC37B6CA8@gmail.com>

Are the points opening and closing as the distributor turns? If no  
adjust the points
Is there voltage to the distributor? (check with key on and points open)
If no is there voltage to the coil? Correct as necessary
If yes can you see a small spark between the points as they open?  If  
this answer is no check the LT lead in the distributor.
BTW coils almost never go bad.
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:58, "W. David Houser" <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>  
wrote:

> Listers,
> Car is pos. ground...replaced coil, no change.....switch on, fuel  
> pump works, lights, getting gas...no spark out of coil....
> Where to look next?
> Car ran finecoming into garage and then  it didn't.
> Dave
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From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 20 12:32:47 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>

Hi Group,

Well two weeks ago I tried to start my MGB after getting the motor two years 
ago.  Before trying to start the engine, I had all the spark plugs out 
turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure then I put the plugs 
back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to start then all of a 
sudden the engine stopped turning over.  Thought I had a bad battery.  Took 
the battery to the parts store and had it tested, no problems with the 
battery.  However I did notice I was having a problem with the ground wire. 
I got a new battery ground wire put it on and tried again. Tried to start 
again failed again.  This time took starter off thinking maybe the starter 
was hanging up.  WRONG!

The motor is still frozen.  Just really frustrated right now.  Any 
suggestions on quick checks I can do?

Thanks,

Craig 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 13:27:21 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:27:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
Message-ID: <0EF5D657-C1CA-46F2-A324-02EC5EE380CE@gmail.com>

Remove the plugs.
Disable the ignition system.
Does the engine turn over w/ the starter?
Were the cylinders full of coolant or fuel? (Now you know why I said  
to disable the ignition*)coolant= head gsk or cracked head. Fuel =  
carbs flooding.
No?  Put a socket on the crank pulley and try to turn by hand. Turns?   
Probably a voltage drop problem with the starter circuit.
Doesn't turn?  Mechanical issue inside engine.
Have fun
Rick
* ask me what happens if you don't disable the ign.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2010, at 12:32, "Craig Straub" <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>  
wrote:

> Hi Group,
>
> Well two weeks ago I tried to start my MGB after getting the motor  
> two years ago.  Before trying to start the engine, I had all the  
> spark plugs out turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure  
> then I put the plugs back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It  
> tried to start then all of a sudden the engine stopped turning  
> over.  Thought I had a bad battery.  Took the battery to the parts  
> store and had it tested, no problems with the battery.  However I  
> did notice I was having a problem with the ground wire. I got a new  
> battery ground wire put it on and tried again. Tried to start again  
> failed again.  This time took starter off thinking maybe the starter  
> was hanging up.  WRONG!
>
> The motor is still frozen.  Just really frustrated right now.  Any  
> suggestions on quick checks I can do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig _______________________________________________
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Mar 20 19:50:19 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:50:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
Message-ID: <4BA5896B.9080203@justbrits.com>

Craig, everything Rick said PLUS:

<< However I did notice I was having a problem with the ground
wire.>>

Are BOTH *ground* wires present and have
SQUEAKY clean connections ???

Ed
Please visit MY site at:
www.justbrits.com
[currently has a number of Memorabilia - and other
'goodies' For Sale !!]

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sat Mar 20 21:28:36 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:28:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
In-Reply-To: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <88358.18049.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Always do the diagnostic work before throwing money at it.
Basic stuff first, start here:
Spark and fuel curcuits: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm

Grab test light.  Switch on.
     A3 = light  ---  If not, fix the fee wire.
     SW = light  ---  If not, fix the fee wire.
     CB = no light when points closed  ---  If light, no ground 
through distributor.
         Broken flex wire (2 of them), or loose base clamp.
     CB = light when points are open  ---  If not, shorting across 
points in distributor.
         Common wiring error, points wire shorted to ground on screw post.
     Points of course must open and close.

Use ohm meter.
Check resistance in coil, SW to CB.
     3.2 ohms = good
     1.6 ohms = wrong coil
     50 mega ohms (open circuit) = bad coil.
Check resistance, distriutor side terminal to engine block with points closed.
     Near 0 ohms is good.
    >1/4 ohm (250 mili ohm or more) = burned points.

If that checks out, then check for spark at coil HT wire (not plug wires).
Very weak spark from coil = bad condenser
No spark out of coil = bad coil
Spark from coil but no spark at any plugs = bad rotor or broken 
center contact in cap.

Spark on some plugs, not others = fault of cap or HT wires or plugs.
     Check for spark on each HT wire to engine bolt (not thorugh plugs).
     Some wires no spark, check resistance of wires end to end.
           0 ohms = solid wire, good
         ~5000 ohms per foot of length = resistor wire, good
         ~50 mega ohms (open circuit) = bad wire or bad end connectors.
     Check resistance of plugs from top connector to center electrode.
         0 ohms = solid plug, good
         ~3000 ohms, resistor plug, good
         6,000 ohms or more = resistor plug, faulty

If that's okay, then spark on some plugs but not others = bad cap.
   Check resistance of each post inside to outside.
         0 ohms = good post.
         50 mega ohms = corroded aluminum post
             Repalce cap.  Try to buy one with copper posts.
     If posts asre good, visual check inside of cap
         Crack or tracking inside of cap = bad cap.

If you haven't got it yet, read these pages:
Coil Testing: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig108.htm
Ignition Trouble Shooting: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig106.htm

After all of that, call back about either success or failure.

-----------------------------------------
At 12:58 PM 3/20/2010 -0400, W. David Houser wrote:
>....
>.... replaced coil, no change. .... switch on, fuel pump works, 
>lights, getting gas...no spark out of coil....
>....
>Car ran finecoming into garage and then  it didn't.
>....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 21 07:33:49 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:33:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8C143E37963D4C24A5CEDF4C1167E97D@paul>

Check voltage on the 12v supply to the coil with the points both open *and* 
closed.  If you have a bad connection back through the 12v supply you could 
well see 12v with the points open, but zero with them closed, should be 12v 
all the time.

Check voltage on the distributor terminal of the coil in the same way, this 
time look for 12v with the points open and there *should* be zero volts with 
them closed.  If 12v all the time the connection through to the points and 
the distributor body is open-circuit.  Could be the points contact surfaces 
high resistance, or open circuits in any of the wires, the very flexible 
ones under the cap are designed to cope with the continual twisting of the 
points plate under changing vacuum but do eventually fail.  Test on the 
distributor spade, points moving and fixed contacts, and points plate to see 
where 12v changes to no 12v.

If zero volts all the time remove the wire coming from the distributor from 
the coil and test the coil terminal again.  If you see 12v now the points 
are shorted out somehow, either no gap or the condenser has failed, or maybe 
a wire shorting.

If you still see no 12v at the coil, and it is definitely on the other coil 
terminal, the coil is bad.  Older design coils *do* fail, they have riveted 
spades which work loose and go open-circuit, and the fault symptoms can come 
and go (BT, DT).  Later coils have studs and nuts.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Car is pos. ground...replaced coil, no change.....switch on, fuel pump 
> works, lights, getting gas...no spark out of coil....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 21 08:01:04 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:04 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
Message-ID: <87DA6893A8974AD1AC64363E6C691274@paul>

The first thing you should be doing is looking at the ignition warning 
light.  Does it come on with the ignition?  If not there is an open-circuit 
back through the battery(ies) and battery earth cable to the body.

If it lights what does it do when you turn the key to crank?  If it goes out 
there is a bad connection back through the battery cable, batteries and 
battery earth cable to the body, or the battery(ies) is/are flat.  By 
testing on the battery posts with a voltmeter you can tell which.

You don't say the year, but from the 1970 model year all MGBs had a starter 
relay by the fusebox, so when you turn the key to crank can you hear either 
this or the starter solenoid operating?  If you have the relay, and it 
doesn't click, then you need to check the voltages round the relay - 12v on 
the white/red when you turn the key, 12v on the brown all the time, and 0v 
on the black all the time.  When the relay operates the white brown should 
change from a near earth to 12v.

If you hear the relay click, and there is 12v leaving it on the white/brown, 
check it is arriving at the solenoid spade.  If so, and the solenoid isn't 
doing anything, then the solenoid winding is probably faulty.  If the 
solenoid clonks but the starter doesn't whirr (surely you would have 
mentioned this?) either the solenoid contacts are bad or the motor brushes 
worn out or you have a bad segment on the comm.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ...  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to start then all of a 
> sudden the engine stopped turning over... 

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Sun Mar 21 08:34:29 2010
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:34:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] remind me  please  .... oil filter for '76B
Message-ID: <20100321113429.j910gtpbyoc4ccks@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>

Gawd I'm forgetful.
What are the possible screw in oil filters for an American MGB, 1976 engine?

Bill S.

From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 09:00:32 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
	<87DA6893A8974AD1AC64363E6C691274@paul>
Message-ID: <18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>

The engine will not phsycially turn over by hand.  You can talk all you want 
about electrics, it is not an electrical problem.

Craig 

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sun Mar 21 09:19:16 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:19:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com><8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL><87DA6893A8974AD1AC64363E6C691274@paul>
	<18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12F44@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

In that case, you could check to make sure the starter is not binding
with the flywheel - more common with the older style starter (67 and
older). This used to happen with my first MGB, a 65, which I would then
rock the car in 4th gear to free it. You didn't mention the year but
your description sounded like the engine shouldn't have seized up this
early.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig Straub
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:01 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Frustration

The engine will not phsycially turn over by hand.  You can talk all you
want
about electrics, it is not an electrical problem.

Craig

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Mar 21 09:41:44 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:41:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] remind me  please  .... oil filter for '76B
In-Reply-To: <20100321113429.j910gtpbyoc4ccks@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <20100321113429.j910gtpbyoc4ccks@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <4BA64C48.8060507@ktc.com>

Hi Bill,

   Hanging filter:  WIX  51516 or NAPA Gold 1516

   Inverted Filter:  WIX 51068 or NAPA Gold 1068

  If you think I like WIX filters, yer right.

   CR

On 3/21/2010 10:34 AM, saidel at camden.rutgers.edu wrote:
> Gawd I'm forgetful.
> What are the possible screw in oil filters for an American MGB, 1976 
> engine?
>
> Bill S.

From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 09:44:27 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com><8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL><87DA6893A8974AD1AC64363E6C691274@paul><18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06C12F44@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <259FBF14B8A041BC8D86CEAF497B484C@DELL>

Engine is 1973.  Rebuilt 2008.  Engine was turned over without spark plugs 
before trying to start with gas.  Starter taken out still won't turn over.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Councill, David" <dcouncill at msubillings.edu>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Frustration


> In that case, you could check to make sure the starter is not binding
> with the flywheel - more common with the older style starter (67 and
> older). This used to happen with my first MGB, a 65, which I would then
> rock the car in 4th gear to free it. You didn't mention the year but
> your description sounded like the engine shouldn't have seized up this
> early.
>
> David Councill
> 64 B
> 67 BGT
> 72 B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Craig Straub
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
>
> The engine will not phsycially turn over by hand.  You can talk all you
> want
> about electrics, it is not an electrical problem.
>
> Craig
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Mar 21 09:50:00 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:50:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
Message-ID: <4BA64E38.2070000@ktc.com>

  I'd take out the plugs and try to turn it through with a socket 
wrench,   If it won't turn in the normal direction I'd try turning it 
backward.  If it turned almost 360* and locked I'd pull the valve cover 
off and look for a valve stuck open.  Of cuss, you could always look at 
the valves first.  Luck....

   CR

On 3/20/2010 2:32 PM, Craig Straub wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> Well two weeks ago I tried to start my MGB after getting the motor two 
> years ago.  Before trying to start the engine, I had all the spark 
> plugs out turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure then I 
> put the plugs back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to 
> start then all of a sudden the engine stopped turning over.  Thought I 
> had a bad battery.  Took the battery to the parts store and had it 
> tested, no problems with the battery.  However I did notice I was 
> having a problem with the ground wire. I got a new battery ground wire 
> put it on and tried again. Tried to start again failed again.  This 
> time took starter off thinking maybe the starter was hanging up.  WRONG!
>
> The motor is still frozen.  Just really frustrated right now.  Any 
> suggestions on quick checks I can do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig _______________________________________________

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 11:01:40 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:01:40 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
	<87DA6893A8974AD1AC64363E6C691274@paul>
	<18361BEB4D794A18A69348D9879FBFFB@DELL>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003211101j2a7c4f32wb65d4fa9e1e81b5b@mail.gmail.com>

did you remove the plugs and try to turn it over?

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Craig Straub <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> The engine will not phsycially turn over by hand.  You can talk all you
> want about electrics, it is not an electrical problem.
>
> Craig _______________________________________________
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From schultejim at msn.com  Sun Mar 21 11:23:32 2010
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
Message-ID: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>

Folks,
Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East Coast
Middle Atlantic area?

Jim Schulte
Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 12:00:07 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:00:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] remind me  please  .... oil filter for '76B
In-Reply-To: <20100321113429.j910gtpbyoc4ccks@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <20100321113429.j910gtpbyoc4ccks@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <A8570447-A7C7-44B4-BD44-2C4F267DC35E@gmail.com>

I use the WIX 51516 or Napa Gold 1516. Most any auto parts place will still
have it in it's books to look up. It's a common filter. Ford V8 used it in the
day.

On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:34 AM, saidel at camden.rutgers.edu wrote:

> Gawd I'm forgetful.
> What are the possible screw in oil filters for an American MGB, 1976
engine?
>
> Bill S.
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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar 21 12:01:07 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:01:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>

James,

The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 gearbox 
and it expired (very gently) while holding an intense conversation 
with a Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox from Ted 
Schumacher at a very reasonable $800 (maybe it was $850).  He has a 
good reputation and is certainly very helpful - Details below
Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio,
45877
  USA
                   800-543-6648
             fax  419-384-3272
             tech 419-384-3022


At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>Folks,
>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East Coast
>Middle Atlantic area?
>
>Jim Schulte
>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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Regards

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From mg1948 at verizon.net  Sun Mar 21 13:35:33 2010
From: mg1948 at verizon.net (Phil Marcell)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:35:33 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>
	<E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>

How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
To: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" 
<mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny


> James,
>
> The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 gearbox and 
> it expired (very gently) while holding an intense conversation with a 
> Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox from Ted Schumacher at a very 
> reasonable $800 (maybe it was $850).  He has a good reputation and is 
> certainly very helpful - Details below
> Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ted Schumacher
> tedtsimx at bright.net
> http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
> 108 S. Jefferson St.
> Pandora, Ohio,
> 45877
>  USA
>                   800-543-6648
>             fax  419-384-3272
>             tech 419-384-3022
>
>
> At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>>Folks,
>>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East 
>>Coast
>>Middle Atlantic area?
>>
>>Jim Schulte
>>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>Mgs at autox.team.net
>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> Regards
>
> Barrie
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From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sun Mar 21 16:25:33 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:25:33 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
	<D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
Message-ID: <96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>

Well Phil, I'm not sure if there is a registry, but if you're starting a 
list of them, I have a car club buddy who brought one over when he moved 
from the U.K. to Michigan  He purchased it new.

Gordie




> How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
> To: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" 
> <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
>
>
>> James,
>>
>> The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 gearbox and 
>> it expired (very gently) while holding an intense conversation with a 
>> Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox from Ted Schumacher at a 
>> very reasonable $800 (maybe it was $850).  He has a good reputation and 
>> is certainly very helpful - Details below
>> Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ted Schumacher
>> tedtsimx at bright.net
>> http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
>> 108 S. Jefferson St.
>> Pandora, Ohio,
>> 45877
>>  USA
>>                   800-543-6648
>>             fax  419-384-3272
>>             tech 419-384-3022
>>
>>
>> At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>>>Folks,
>>>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East 
>>>Coast
>>>Middle Atlantic area?
>>>
>>>Jim Schulte
>>>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>>>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>>>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>>>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>Mgs at autox.team.net
>>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Barrie
>> barrie at look.ca
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>>
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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar 21 15:21:42 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:21:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>
	<E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
	<D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
Message-ID: <E1NtTaw-0001yQ-Vk@zeta.look.ca>

I believe there were none officially imported but obviously some 
people have brought them in.  There are at least two in this area 
(south Ontario).   I think I am right in saying that you will never 
find one with a left hand drive dash 'cos the factory did not make 
any - but more knowledgeable bods may contribute more.


At 04:35 PM 3/21/2010, Phil Marcell wrote:
>How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
>To: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" 
><mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
>
>
>>James,
>>
>>The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 
>>gearbox and it expired (very gently) while holding an intense 
>>conversation with a Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox 
>>from Ted Schumacher at a very reasonable $800 (maybe it was 
>>$850).  He has a good reputation and is certainly very helpful - Details below
>>Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Ted Schumacher
>>tedtsimx at bright.net
>>http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
>>108 S. Jefferson St.
>>Pandora, Ohio,
>>45877
>>  USA
>>                   800-543-6648
>>             fax  419-384-3272
>>             tech 419-384-3022
>>
>>
>>At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>>>Folks,
>>>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on 
>>>the East Coast
>>>Middle Atlantic area?
>>>
>>>Jim Schulte
>>>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>>>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>>>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>>>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>Mgs at autox.team.net
>>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>Suggested annual donation  $12.75
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>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Barrie
>>barrie at look.ca
>>(705) 721-9060  _______________________________________________
>>
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From mg1948 at verizon.net  Sun Mar 21 15:46:31 2010
From: mg1948 at verizon.net (Phil Marcell)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:46:31 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
	<D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
	<96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>
Message-ID: <60A998EF896E4CDB9A678B8AD9A34EA0@Phil>

We have 3 in our club.

Don Perry in Oklahoma, a Brit who moved over, & mine.

If owners respond , I'll make a list.

Phil Marcell
e-mail MG1948 at Verizon.net
Plano, Texas
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From: "gordies garage" <mg_garage at comcast.net>
To: "Mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny


> Well Phil, I'm not sure if there is a registry, but if you're starting a 
> list of them, I have a car club buddy who brought one over when he moved 
> from the U.K. to Michigan  He purchased it new.
>
> Gordie
>
>
>
>
>> How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.
>>
>> Phil
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
>> To: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" 
>> <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
>>
>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 gearbox 
>>> and it expired (very gently) while holding an intense conversation with 
>>> a Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox from Ted Schumacher at a 
>>> very reasonable $800 (maybe it was $850).  He has a good reputation and 
>>> is certainly very helpful - Details below
>>> Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Ted Schumacher
>>> tedtsimx at bright.net
>>> http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
>>> 108 S. Jefferson St.
>>> Pandora, Ohio,
>>> 45877
>>>  USA
>>>                   800-543-6648
>>>             fax  419-384-3272
>>>             tech 419-384-3022
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>>>>Folks,
>>>>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East 
>>>>Coast
>>>>Middle Atlantic area?
>>>>
>>>>Jim Schulte
>>>>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>>>>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>>>>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>>>>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>Mgs at autox.team.net
>>>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>Suggested annual donation  $12.75
>>>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>> barrie at look.ca
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>>>
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 16:25:16 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:25:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
	<D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
	<96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>
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I saw one last year at Dwight McCullough's. He was doing some work on it. It
had just been imported earlier in the year.

I'd give up my roadster in a minute for one. If I had the money. This one had
a Webasto, which is really nice.

On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:26 PM, gordies garage wrote:

> Well Phil, I'm not sure if there is a registry, but if you're starting a
list of them, I have a car club buddy who brought one over when he moved from
the U.K. to Michigan  He purchased it new.
>
> Gordie
>
>
>
>
>> How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Mar 21 16:45:25 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
	<D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
	<96E09B3120C34EDE89B3C0BB87FC98F3@stargate>
Message-ID: <4BA6AF95.1020509@justbrits.com>

Gordo and Phil......
 
<< Well Phil, I'm not sure if there is a registry, >>

that IS an EXCELLENT idea !!!  Phil, if you would like
a "registry" format a very good friend of mine is
the Registrar for Big Healey BJ-8s and has an
excellent setup for the job.  Lemme know and I
would be happy to put you in contact with him.

Ed

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 17:01:34 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <E1NtTaw-0001yQ-Vk@zeta.look.ca>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca><D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
	<E1NtTaw-0001yQ-Vk@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <E34BF9F57E2C4EC4945DAB5D757D9960@HomePC>

Barrie, there is one North America version, factory, LHD, MGB V8 that I saw 
at University Motors.  John Twist told me that MG sent eight of them over to 
see how they would fly here.  (Like that would be a question.)  Out of the 
eight, seven were shipped back.  One remains here.  As I recall, it is owned 
by a gent in either Indiana or Ohio.  Sorry, I don't remember exactly where 
it calls home.  You could email or call John for more info, but I do believe 
that means there is one quasi-official, NA version,  V8, MGB in existence 
and in-country as we speak.

Don't argue this point with me as all of my info came from John Twist.  All 
who wish to tell John that he doesn't know MGBs may argue with him.  Good 
luck.

Larry Daniels

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:21 PM
To: "Phil Marcell" <mg1948 at verizon.net>; "James Schulte" 
<schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny

I believe there were none officially imported but obviously some
people have brought them in.  There are at least two in this area
(south Ontario).   I think I am right in saying that you will never
find one with a left hand drive dash 'cos the factory did not make
any - but more knowledgeable bods may contribute more.


At 04:35 PM 3/21/2010, Phil Marcell wrote:
>How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
>To: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net"
><mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
>
>
>>James,
>>
>>The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1
>>gearbox and it expired (very gently) while holding an intense
>>conversation with a Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox
>>from Ted Schumacher at a very reasonable $800 (maybe it was
>>$850).  He has a good reputation and is certainly very helpful - Details 
>>below
>>Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Ted Schumacher
>>tedtsimx at bright.net
>>http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
>>108 S. Jefferson St.
>>Pandora, Ohio,
>>45877
>>  USA
>>                   800-543-6648
>>             fax  419-384-3272
>>             tech 419-384-3022
>>
>>
>>At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>>>Folks,
>>>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on
>>>the East Coast
>>>Middle Atlantic area?
>>>
>>>Jim Schulte
>>>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>>>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>>>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>>>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
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>>Regards
>>
>>Barrie
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 16:50:12 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:50:12 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11003211101j2a7c4f32wb65d4fa9e1e81b5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7CBFEC4.28084%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

If it is in neutral, with the plugs out, and you cannot rotate the engine
with the big nut on the crank, then I am afraid you are in a world of hurt.
Try forward and back, of course.

There is not going to be any "quick check".

Might as well take the valve cover off and look for a bent valvestem.


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'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/21/10 11:01 AM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> did you remove the plugs and try to turn it over?
> 
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Craig Straub
> <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> 
>> The engine will not phsycially turn over by hand.  You can talk all you
>> want about electrics, it is not an electrical problem.
>> 
>> Craig _______________________________________________

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Sun Mar 21 17:08:35 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:08:35 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
Message-ID: <90f3d.f5a5420.38d80f03@aol.com>

Phil,
There's a registry at _http://www.mgexperience.net/registry/_ 
(http://www.mgexperience.net/registry/)   you just have to enter your Vin and other # 
plus year and make of  MG....
Alberto Escalante 1977 MGB

In a message dated 3/21/2010 3:46:53  P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
_mg1948 at verizon.net_ (mailto:mg1948 at verizon.net)     writes:

How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired  one.

Phil
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 22 02:03:51 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:03:51 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl><E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca><D068C8FF816A4789AA1000B09D0D6D77@Phil>
	<E1NtTaw-0001yQ-Vk@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <01D1818D0240459DA2C307B11BE0090C@paul>

The factory built seven LHD production models and two pre-production models, 
documented in David Knowles's 'MG V8'.  At the time of writing one 
pre-production was known to be in the USA, owned by Lyle York, the others 
were all in Europe.  There may be a couple more as there are two gaps in the 
series of LHD production model chassis numbers not accounted for elsewhere. 
The seven production models were shipped to the USA for testing and 
accreditation (which they achieved), then brought back to the UK and sold.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 

>I believe there were none officially imported but obviously some people 
>have brought them in.  There are at least two in this area (south Ontario). 
>I think I am right in saying that you will never find one with a left hand 
>drive dash 'cos the factory did not make any - but more knowledgeable bods 
>may contribute more.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 22 02:22:17 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:22:17 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Refreshingly rare honest advertising
Message-ID: <F4AEE04B22FE410291C24240F25BF7C9@paul>

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230451057921&afsrc=1

From kgrowler at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 06:26:43 2010
From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] North American MGB V8 register
Message-ID: <b3edb28c1003220626y241c70a3jf4b7440a523ef3c0@mail.gmail.com>

<"Phil Marcell" <mg1948 at verizon.net> wrote:

How many factory V8's are there in the US?  I just acquired one.

Phil>

Dan Masters is the North American MGB V8 Registrar and his contact info is
at:

http://www.namgbr.org/V8.htm

From j_cahoon at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 08:26:58 2010
From: j_cahoon at yahoo.com (John Cahoon)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <C7CBFEC4.28084%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <880218.39498.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

In my experience when the engine is 'stuck', you need to oil the cylinders
with penetrating oil designed to break-up rust. Lots of it. Then try to turn
the engine with a wrench on the crank pulley nut. Jog the nut back and forth a
little each day for up to a week. The engine will usually break thru the
cylinder wall rust and start to move. Then add engine oil to the cylinders and
rotate frequently for a day. After that it should be OK to start. I always
crank it by starter with the plugs removed until oil pressure is observed on
the dash gauge. Then you should have some oil in the crank bearings etc and
you can replace the spark plugs and start the engine. My 2 cents.  JOHN CAHOON
in Cleveland Ohio

--- On Sun, 3/21/10, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine
Frustration
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, March 21,
2010, 7:50 PM
> If it is in neutral, with the plugs
> out, and you cannot
rotate the engine
> with the big nut on the crank, then I am afraid you are in
> a world of hurt.
> Try forward and back, of course.
> 
> There is not going
to be any "quick check".
> 
> Might as well take the valve cover off and look
for a bent
> valvestem.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If
you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
> 
> on 3/21/10 11:01 AM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > did you remove the plugs and try to turn it over?
> > 
> > On Sun, Mar 21,
2010 at 9:00 AM, Craig Straub
> > <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> > 
> >>
The engine will not phsycially turn over by
> hand.  You can talk all you
> >>
want about electrics, it is not an electrical
> problem.
> >> 
> >> Craig
>
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From mike at sportscarslimited.net  Mon Mar 22 08:37:36 2010
From: mike at sportscarslimited.net (Michael Singleton)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:37:36 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
In-Reply-To: <8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<8334B2E5B57B453ABBE0929790B61FB1@DELL>
Message-ID: <DF49A8A6864C41AFABBB3360B5721536@scloffice>

Is the motor in fact frozen? If it cannot be turned by hand, or by putting
it in 4th gear and rocking it to turn over, you may have a serious issue.
Since you say the car has been sitting for 2 years, and you turned it over
enough to get oil pressure I would initially suspect that you have had bad
gas foul your valve(s)/guide(s). Gas sitting in the tank for an extended
time can get between the valve & guide in a remarkably short time and cause
the valve to stick to the guide. This will bind up the whole engine. The
cure is to remove the head and most likely have the valves removed,possibly
the guide(s) reamed &/or repaired. This is work for your machine shop to
undertake. They will have seen it before. To continue to turn the engine
over can result in additional damage, including one or more bent valves.
Hope it isn't this. Best of luck.    


Michael Singleton
Sportscars Ltd
10170 Croydon Way
Suite M
Sacramento, CA 95826
 
(916)366-0330
mike at sportscarslimited.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Craig Straub
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:33 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration

Hi Group,

Well two weeks ago I tried to start my MGB after getting the motor two years
ago.  Before trying to start the engine, I had all the spark plugs out
turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure then I put the plugs
back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to start then all of a
sudden the engine stopped turning over.  Thought I had a bad battery.  Took
the battery to the parts store and had it tested, no problems with the
battery.  However I did notice I was having a problem with the ground wire. 
I got a new battery ground wire put it on and tried again. Tried to start
again failed again.  This time took starter off thinking maybe the starter
was hanging up.  WRONG!

The motor is still frozen.  Just really frustrated right now.  Any
suggestions on quick checks I can do?

Thanks,

Craig
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From jello at cableone.net  Mon Mar 22 08:49:08 2010
From: jello at cableone.net (NCAA 2010 Pool)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:49:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] North American MGB V8 register
Message-ID: <2023.1269272948@cableone.net>


From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 22 08:32:07 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:32:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration
References: <880218.39498.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD71D9231D684E1BAB7CBC5853CFB8A7@paul>

Going back to the beginning ...

"Before trying to start the engine, I had all the spark plugs out
turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure then I put the plugs
back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to start then all of a
sudden the engine stopped turning over. "

----- Original Message ----- 

> In my experience when the engine is 'stuck', you need to oil the cylinders
> with penetrating oil designed to break-up rust... 

From match at ece.utah.edu  Mon Mar 22 11:15:30 2010
From: match at ece.utah.edu (match at ece.utah.edu)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:15:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustrati
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1269284402.29296.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1269284402.29296.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4BA7B3C2.22087.1087FCE@match.ece.utah.edu>

> Going back to the beginning ...
> 
> "Before trying to start the engine, I had all the spark plugs out
> turned the engine over till I got good oil pressure then I put the plugs
> back in.  The next day tried to start it.  It tried to start then all of a
> sudden the engine stopped turning over. "

Sounds like hydraulic lock to me, becuse a cylinder is filled with some un-
compressible fluid (water, fuel). Pull the plugs out again and try to turn it over 
without them. see if massive amounts of something squirt out of the plug 
holes.

Marvin

From maine2me at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 14:00:46 2010
From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny
In-Reply-To: <E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
References: <BAY116-W10EBAF598421FD7A24784FDB280@phx.gbl>
	<E1NtQQS-0003KG-Sm@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <254897.91860.qm@web114107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

James,

Barrie is correct. Ted Schumacher is good to deal with. 
You may also want to check with John Esposito (Quantum Mechanics in CT. http://www.quantumechanics.com )
He imports parts from the UK and also does a heck of a rebuild on Brit Trans. I had him rebuild a 1500 trans for me many years ago and would not think twice to send him any of my needed work.

Dan


----- Original Message ----
From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
To: James Schulte <schultejim at msn.com>; "Mgs at autox.team.net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 3:01:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rebuild V8 tranny

James,

The only part I did not refurbish for mt MGB GT V8 was my SD1 gearbox 
and it expired (very gently) while holding an intense conversation 
with a Jaguar.  I was able to get a rebuilt gearbox from Ted 
Schumacher at a very reasonable $800 (maybe it was $850).  He has a 
good reputation and is certainly very helpful - Details below
Of course I could sell you a very noisy replacement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio,
45877
  USA
                   800-543-6648
             fax  419-384-3272
             tech 419-384-3022


At 02:23 PM 3/21/2010, James Schulte wrote:
>Folks,
>Who would you recommend to rebuild an original mgb V8 tranny on the East Coast
>Middle Atlantic area?
>
>Jim Schulte
>Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
>VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
>Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
>VP Lehigh Valley Kayak and Canoe Club
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>
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Regards

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From don at napanet.net  Mon Mar 22 21:05:18 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Odd old MG on BaT
Message-ID: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>

Not sure this would work too well on modern freeways . . .

1933 MG J2 on BaT

http://bringatrailer.com/2010/03/22/stored-38-years-1933-mg-j2-roadster/


_______________________________________________




Don Scott
Calistoga, CA
1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT (selling)
2001 Miata SE BRG
63-67 MGB (searching)

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Mar 22 21:25:05 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:25:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Odd old MG on BaT
In-Reply-To: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>
References: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4BA842A1.2010509@bradakis.com>

Nice.  I'm not much of an MG guy, but I could see having that in my
automotive wardrobe.

And I do often wonder what I'd be driving if my middle name was George.


mjb.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 23 09:28:05 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Odd old MG on BaT
In-Reply-To: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <C7CE3A25.2815F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

A J2 was hot stuff in the day, with a SOHC motor. The T series was
considered a step down in sporting character. But then, are they at home on
modern freeways...? Who cares... Fun is fun.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 3/22/10 9:05 PM, don at don at napanet.net wrote:

> Not sure this would work too well on modern freeways . . .
> 
> 1933 MG J2 on BaT
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2010/03/22/stored-38-years-1933-mg-j2-roadster/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Don Scott
> Calistoga, CA
> 1962 MGA Mk II
> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
> 2001 Miata SE BRG
> 63-67 MGB (searching)
> _______________________________________________

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Mar 23 13:59:46 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:59:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Odd old MG on BaT
In-Reply-To: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>
References: <20100323043019.6F28B24BA60@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4BA92BC2.7050700@justbrits.com>

<< Not sure this would work too well on modern freeways . . .
1933 MG J2 on BaT >>

HeeHee, prolly not Don <G> !!! But it you like that one
visit:
http://www.justbrits.com/cars/Austin7s.html
And check out the cars AND the "trip" they took !!!!

ALSO, of the page you so kindly provided was a VERY
kewl link: 1955 Corvette Roadster Restoration Project 
<http://bringatrailer.com/2007/05/14/1955-corvette-roadster-restoration-project/>

and on THAT page is ANOTHER neat car:
Anglo-American Driver: Aston Martin DB2 DHC 
<http://bringatrailer.com/2009/01/13/anglo-american-driver-aston-martin-db2-dhc/>

And on the 'Vette page there is ALSO:
Barn Find Roadster: 1963 Austin Healey 3000 
<http://bringatrailer.com/2009/01/15/barn-find-roadster-1963-austin-healey-3000/>

THANKS Don, just had a great 45 - 60 mts BaTing <G> !!

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Mar 23 14:33:12 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] If you have NOT........
Message-ID: <4BA93398.7070107@justbrits.com>

  seen or read this, it's just UN-REAL <VBG>!!!!!



  How A $500 Craigslist Car Beat $400K Rally Racers
  <http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers>


or

*http://tinyurl.com/yf5dmyz
*
or

http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Mar 24 11:28:57 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
Message-ID: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

   Does anyone who has replaced a windshield lately have advice on on the
windshield glazing rubber?  
   Word around in our club is that NOS glass is thicker than today's
Pilkington replacement glass and that today's glazing rubber is sized to
today's glass, and that too-tight glazing will cause the thicker glass to
crack during installation. 
   This may, or may not, be true.  If someone has a recent windshield,
could you measure it so we can know for sure. 
   I have a NOS Pilkington tinted windshield, still in the wrapper, that
will replace an aftermarket glass that came when I bought this car some
years and many stone dings ago.
Thanks
Bob

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From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Mar 24 12:35:54 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
In-Reply-To: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4BAA699A.20008@justbrits.com>

Bob, the SIMPLEST of answers for you is TAKE
the job to an Auto Glass Shop ALONG with the
glazing you have AND a hardcopy of your Post.

Take a case of brewskies also AND go over the
problems with the guy[s].  They won't be "guessing"
<G><G><G> !!!!!

And I doubt if it would be expensive.  I had a TD
one done just a couple weeks ago - NEW chrome
job - and it was $25.00 !!!

Ed

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Mar 24 13:09:39 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:09:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
Message-ID: <20100324.131033.965.71221@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com>

  Thanks, Ed.  I take it that this is a job you avoid.  The TD windshield
doesn't intimidate me, and I have done several MGB tourer windshields,
but the GT windshield experience is new to me. 
Bob


 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:35:54 -0500 "Shop at \" Just Brits \""
<shop at justbrits.com> writes:
> Bob, the SIMPLEST of answers for you is TAKE
> the job to an Auto Glass Shop ALONG with the
> glazing you have AND a hardcopy of your Post.
> 
> Take a case of brewskies also AND go over the
> problems with the guy[s].  They won't be "guessing"
> <G><G><G> !!!!!
> 
> And I doubt if it would be expensive.  I had a TD
> one done just a couple weeks ago - NEW chrome
> job - and it was $25.00 !!!
> 
> Ed
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From mg_garage at comcast.net  Wed Mar 24 17:37:37 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:37:37 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
References: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
	<4BAA699A.20008@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <5884980973F44DBBB22D5EFB192C2CF6@stargate>

The BGT windshield is a different animal.  A friend took his (72) to a local 
well respected glass shop and they replaced his with no problem.  When it 
came time for mine (67), I went to the same shop and the same technician. 
After a week, they said they couldn't get the (new) trim back on and were 
giving up.  They refunded me the labor cost.  I ended up asking a hot rodder 
(who also owned a glass shop) down the street if he'd like to take a crack. 
Took him (and me) about an hour to complete and cost me another hundy.
If a local guy can do it, that is certainly the least expensive way to go.
Can't speak to the thickness on a BGT windshield, but I know there is a 
difference 'tween the original MGA windshield thickness and today's 
replacements.  As to a difference in glazing rubber, I'd bet if you could 
measure 5 of them now, you'd have at least three different measurments.  I 
measured a bunch of MGA windshields at my local suppliers house before I 
picked out the one I wanted.  IIRC there were almost as many thicknesses as 
windshields.

Good luck!

Gordie
'62 MGA
'67 BGT


> Bob, the SIMPLEST of answers for you is TAKE
> the job to an Auto Glass Shop ALONG with the
> glazing you have AND a hardcopy of your Post.
>
> Take a case of brewskies also AND go over the
> problems with the guy[s].  They won't be "guessing"
> <G><G><G> !!!!!
>
> And I doubt if it would be expensive.  I had a TD
> one done just a couple weeks ago - NEW chrome
> job - and it was $25.00 !!!
>
> Ed
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From barrie at look.ca  Wed Mar 24 17:24:47 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
In-Reply-To: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E1Nuazk-0004i3-Gs@theta.look.ca>

Bob,

I had my GT windscreen replaced by "Auto-Glass" here in Barrie.  They 
got the glass and rubber with no bother they said.  I am sure there 
are other glass places near you and the charge for installing was 
peanuts.    Any good glass shop should be able to supply the right 
rubber for your screen and install it.





At 02:28 PM 3/24/2010, MGBOB wrote:
>    Does anyone who has replaced a windshield lately have advice on on the
>windshield glazing rubber?
>    Word around in our club is that NOS glass is thicker than today's
>Pilkington replacement glass and that today's glazing rubber is sized to
>today's glass, and that too-tight glazing will cause the thicker glass to
>crack during installation.
>    This may, or may not, be true.  If someone has a recent windshield,
>could you measure it so we can know for sure.
>    I have a NOS Pilkington tinted windshield, still in the wrapper, that
>will replace an aftermarket glass that came when I bought this car some
>years and many stone dings ago.
>Thanks
>Bob
>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar 25 01:50:27 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:50:27 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
References: <20100324.112939.1000.4846@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <08882D75803B4E7CB61988ECFFAEC427@paul>

I'd heard the roadster glass was changed during production, but haven't come 
across about changes to GT glass, in the UK at least.  For various reasons 
I've had to have the glass changed in both my roadster and V8 twice each, 
and the roadster is a far bigger job than the GT.  I have a blind pal who 
single-handedly fitted both GT screens (bar the bright trim) having never 
come across one before, and with no specialist tools.  It's a relatively 
simple job if you are using old rubber, it is new rubber that causes the 
problem.  It is sticky so you can't slide the glass down the slot part of 
the way then lift the edges over for the rest, but have to lay it over the 
surround and lift the edge over all the way round which takes a lot longer. 
The recesses for the bright trim are also smaller making those more 
difficult to refit.  My first GT replacement used the old rubber, the second 
had new.

You might like to have a look at 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_bodyframe.htm and click on 'Screens'.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MGBOB" <mgbob at juno.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields


>   Does anyone who has replaced a windshield lately have advice on on the
> windshield glazing rubber?
>   Word around in our club is that NOS glass is thicker than today's
> Pilkington replacement glass and that today's glazing rubber is sized to
> today's glass, and that too-tight glazing will cause the thicker glass to
> crack during installation.
>   This may, or may not, be true.  If someone has a recent windshield,
> could you measure it so we can know for sure.
>   I have a NOS Pilkington tinted windshield, still in the wrapper, that
> will replace an aftermarket glass that came when I bought this car some
> years and many stone dings ago.
> Thanks
> Bob
>
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From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Mar 25 10:57:58 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB-GT windshields
In-Reply-To: <20100324.131033.965.71221@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100324.131033.965.71221@mailpop01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4BABA426.5000804@justbrits.com>

<< Thanks, Ed. I take it that this is a job you avoid. >>

*Like the plague, Bob <G> !!!!
*
<< The TD windshield doesn't intimidate me, and I have done
several MGB tourer windshields, but the GT windshield
experience is new to me. >>

I have done a few but BEFORE I went into actual
business and opened shop<VBG> !!!  Since then, I've
had about 14 or 15 windscreen 'jobs' and have
farmed out ALL of them - paid off too<G>!!

Had a BJ-7 Big Healey like mine in for one, took it
to 'my' shop.  Guy DID 'break' it.   HIS 'dime' NOT
mine <VBG> !!!  And he still does my work !!

"A man has GOT to know his limitations."

Ed

PS:  My tnx to "Dirty Harry" - LOL !!

From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Mar 26 06:31:45 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (thgun at comporium.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] 1500 valve cover cap
Message-ID: <20100326093145.EHD03165@ms1.comporium.net>

Can someone tell me if the "Kingsborne" company made the correct valve cover caps for 1500 series MGA engine. 
Tom Gunderson
1500 MGA rst

From peter at nosimport.com  Fri Mar 26 08:15:12 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 1500 valve cover cap
In-Reply-To: <20100326093145.EHD03165@ms1.comporium.net>
References: <20100326093145.EHD03165@ms1.comporium.net>
Message-ID: <201003260715208.SM06964@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Kingsborne was an aftermarket re-seller of many items for British 
cars. They imported many sourced-from-OE manufacturers as well. If 
you mean the metal one, if it's not the identical to original, it is 
very close. We used to sell them to the BMC dealers, back in the day.

If there's a Concours spec, I don't know.

Peter C
======
At 08:31 AM 3/26/2010, thgun at comporium.net wrote:
>Can someone tell me if the "Kingsborne" company made the correct 
>valve cover caps for 1500 series MGA engine.
>Tom Gunderson
>1500 MGA rst

From palte at gmx.net  Fri Mar 26 13:14:46 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:14:46 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
Message-ID: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>

Hello Dear Fellow Listers,

The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without 
removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
(That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.

Anyone BTDT?

Bert
Holland

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 26 14:19:24 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <C7D272EC.283A5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Nope. It sucks.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 3/26/10 1:14 PM, Bert P at palte at gmx.net wrote:

> Hello Dear Fellow Listers,
> 
> The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
> I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without
> removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
> (That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
> I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.
> 
> Anyone BTDT?
> 
> Bert
> Holland

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Fri Mar 26 15:12:12 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:12:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D672@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Yes, it is possible but it is not pretty. I did this once many years
ago, perhaps out of desperation, but I was able to pull the heater
assembly out partway (a few inches or so), far enough for me to pry it
open and pull the heater core out and later put it back. It did involve
bending the cover a bit in the process but I flattened it back during
reassembly. So in short, some cosmetic damage to the heater assembly
cover will probably occur meaning you may end up revisiting the process
later. In my case, it worked out because I replaced the whole assembly
about ten or 15 years later when I had the engine out. It was a bit
easier removing and reinstalling when I could stand in the engine
compartment area as I recall.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bert P
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:15 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB

Hello Dear Fellow Listers,

The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without
removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
(That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.

Anyone BTDT?

Bert
Holland

From barrie at look.ca  Fri Mar 26 15:45:40 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:45:40 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E1NvIHv-0001Lp-RG@zeta.look.ca>

Bert,

I had great fun with my 1970 MGB GT and it will be the same problem 
with yours.  If the core leaks you have to replace it and the heater 
has to come out.  Get the upgraded core.  I found a neat trick to get 
the darn thing back in without ruining the cable of fingers.  Go to 
Barney Gaylords web site - the Chicago one  Big description and my 
little piece of advice

At 04:14 PM 3/26/2010, Bert P wrote:
>Hello Dear Fellow Listers,
>
>The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
>I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without 
>removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
>(That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
>I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.
>
>Anyone BTDT?
>
>Bert
>Holland
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Mar 26 21:05:33 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:05:33 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <359859.42272.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you don't want to bend and break things, the answer is no.  Remove 
the heater before trying to open the box.  See here:
http://chicagolandmgclub.com/photos/b_heater

Barny Gaylord, webmaster
Chicagoland MG Club
http://ChicagolandMGclub.com
.

At 09:14 PM 3/26/2010 +0100, Bert P wrote:
>....
>I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without 
>removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
>....

From tmcnam4510 at aol.com  Sat Mar 27 06:48:52 2010
From: tmcnam4510 at aol.com (tmcnam4510 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:48:52 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CC9BCB5E95F08E-16E0-DA21@webmail-d016.sysops.aol.com>

Sorry Bert, the darn thing must come apart.  Before I did mine I studied the
Chiagoland MGclub tech session photos.  They are a big help.  BTW, I never
replaced that darn screw under the box.  Regards. Tom





-----Original Message-----
From: Bert P <palte at gmx.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:14 pm
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB


Hello Dear Fellow Listers,

The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without removing
the whole heater from the bulkhead.
(That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.

Anyone BTDT?

Bert
Holland
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From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 20:29:38 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:29:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
Message-ID: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>

I would rather mine coal for a living or tar roofs. I'd sooner have a 
root canal. A gastrointestinal exam is preferable.

Glenn

> 
> Nope. It sucks.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 3/26/10 1:14 PM, Bert P at palte at gmx.net wrote:
> 
>> > Hello Dear Fellow Listers,
>> > 
>> > The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
>> > I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without
>> > removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
>> > (That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
>> > I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.
>> > 
>> > Anyone BTDT?
>> > 
>> > Bert
>> > Holland

-- 
Nil desperandum

Glenn Schnittke

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From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 28 04:11:42 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 06:11:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>

Got the motor out yesterday and disassembled.

The last main bearing by the transmission was seized.  Rest of the bearings 
looked okay.

 This engine was rebuilt two years ago. Never had been ran.  Spun the engine 
over several times with spark plugs out to make sure I had good oil 
pressure, which I had.

Any suggestions on what caused the main bearing by the transmission to 
seize?

Craig 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 04:38:01 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 06:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B4A812A8-A7C6-4325-B3FB-F8A9EAAD1F6E@gmail.com>

I did it a few years ago. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't that bad.

I do have a later model with the elongated hole for the cable. But there are
fixes for that on Barney's site (already referenced).

On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:

> I would rather mine coal for a living or tar roofs. I'd sooner have a root
canal. A gastrointestinal exam is preferable.
>
> Glenn
>
>> Nope. It sucks.
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>> on 3/26/10 1:14 PM, Bert P at palte at gmx.net wrote:
>>> > Hello Dear Fellow Listers,
>>> > > The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
>>> > I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without
>>> > removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
>>> > (That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
>>> > I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.
>>> > > Anyone BTDT?
>>> > > Bert
>>> > Holland

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 05:43:06 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 05:43:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II
In-Reply-To: <DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
	<DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003280543i624a0312g2f2162d3d0ab269@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason that last main bearing did not get any oil.  A plugged oil
galley leaps to mind.
I would start by blowing compressed air though the oil galley to find out if
if it is clear.  You will probably find that the line running to the rear
main bearing is plugged.
A straightened coat hanger or pipe cleaners might be your best friend here.
Make damn sure you get all of whatever is in there out before you reassemble
the engine or on start up the rest of this crap will wind up in your main
bearings and you will be tearing the engine down AGAIN.
The only other thing I can think of is the engine builder assembled that
bearing dry and it seized before any oil got to it.  If this is the case,
shoot your engine builder.

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Craig Straub <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Got the motor out yesterday and disassembled.
>
> The last main bearing by the transmission was seized.  Rest of the bearings
> looked okay.
>
> This engine was rebuilt two years ago. Never had been ran.  Spun the engine
> over several times with spark plugs out to make sure I had good oil
> pressure, which I had.
>
> Any suggestions on what caused the main bearing by the transmission to
> seize?
>
> Craig _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 28 07:04:13 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:04:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net><DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>
	<a3b984e11003280543i624a0312g2f2162d3d0ab269@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BA3C353646C414EA0B835EA2EF41606@paul>

This is where the Rover V8 is such a beauty.  You can remove the 
distributor, put a drill on the oil pump and get pressure before the engine 
ever turns.  Still needs all the oil ways to be clear of course, the shells 
to be checked for clearance, and I oiled my V8 shells as well before 
refitting.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The only other thing I can think of is the engine builder assembled that
> bearing dry and it seized before any oil got to it.  If this is the case,
> shoot your engine builder.

From palte at gmx.net  Sun Mar 28 08:58:59 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:58:59 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q
In-Reply-To: <4BAD391A.5000102@justbrits.com>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
	<4BAD391A.5000102@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>

Hi folks,

Having read all of your comments, I have decided that I will be 
taking the heater box
out of the car first in order to replace the heater core.
I'll have to order parts first, so it may take a while.
I'll let the list know how it went, once it's done.

Unfortunately, it means that I will have to remove the brake fluid 
reservoir first.
My car has a single hydraulic circuit, but with a remote transparent 
reservoir VERY close to the heater box,
so that the brake fluid level is visible immediately after you open the hood.
I think it was a legal requirement, resulting in a feature unique to 
cars delivered to this market (Holland, Europe).


Greetings,
Bert

1970 MGB 

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sun Mar 28 09:06:14 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (Gordie Bird)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:06:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II
In-Reply-To: <1762009201.32664311269792364425.JavaMail.root@sz0071a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <174629067.32664361269792374778.JavaMail.root@sz0071a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Check the fitting (in the block) where the rearmost oil pipe connects. Moss calls it an "adapter., pipe to block", pn 460-820. I've seen a pretty Aeroquip fitting replace the orig and have a bearing seize. The portion of the adapter, that goes into the block, blocks a return oil passage and forces oil to the bearings. I got a new one several years ago (for the motor referenced above) and found it improperly machined and would not fit into the block. I know Barney has it on his website and presume they've rectified that problem by now, but maybe not. 

Gordie Bird 
'62 MGA 
'67 BGT 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com> 
To: "Craig Straub" <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net> 
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:43:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II 

For some reason that last main bearing did not get any oil. A plugged oil 
galley leaps to mind. 
I would start by blowing compressed air though the oil galley to find out if 
if it is clear. You will probably find that the line running to the rear 
main bearing is plugged. 
A straightened coat hanger or pipe cleaners might be your best friend here. 
Make damn sure you get all of whatever is in there out before you reassemble 
the engine or on start up the rest of this crap will wind up in your main 
bearings and you will be tearing the engine down AGAIN. 
The only other thing I can think of is the engine builder assembled that 
bearing dry and it seized before any oil got to it. If this is the case, 
shoot your engine builder. 

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Craig Straub <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>wrote: 

> Got the motor out yesterday and disassembled. 
> 
> The last main bearing by the transmission was seized. Rest of the bearings 
> looked okay. 
> 
> This engine was rebuilt two years ago. Never had been ran. Spun the engine 
> over several times with spark plugs out to make sure I had good oil 
> pressure, which I had. 
> 
> Any suggestions on what caused the main bearing by the transmission to 
> seize? 
> 
> Craig _______________________________________________ 
> 
> Mgs at autox.team.net 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> Suggested annual donation $12.75 
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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar 28 09:41:46 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:41:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <B4A812A8-A7C6-4325-B3FB-F8A9EAAD1F6E@gmail.com>
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
	<B4A812A8-A7C6-4325-B3FB-F8A9EAAD1F6E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1Nvvbw-0004ps-DY@theta.look.ca>

Come on chaps!   Removing the heater is easy but putting it back can 
be trying UNLESS you enlarge the hole into which the cable goes, then 
it is not too bad   One thing however, has not been mentioned and 
that is adjusting the flap cables !   You have to do this through 
that tiny hole while "inside" the cockpit.  You have to slacken off 
the nut, pull the flap to fully closed and then tighten.   But if you 
don't adjust the cable you will only get a very small hot air leak - 
which is no big deal.


At 07:38 AM 3/28/2010, Paul Root wrote:
>I did it a few years ago. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't that bad.
>
>I do have a later model with the elongated hole for the cable. But there are
>fixes for that on Barney's site (already referenced).
>
>On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:
>
> > I would rather mine coal for a living or tar roofs. I'd sooner have a root
>canal. A gastrointestinal exam is preferable.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >> Nope. It sucks.
> >> --
> >> Max Heim
> >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> >> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> >> on 3/26/10 1:14 PM, Bert P at palte at gmx.net wrote:
> >>> > Hello Dear Fellow Listers,
> >>> > > The heater radiator in my 1970 B is leaking.
> >>> > I wonder whether it is possible to exchange the heater core without
> >>> > removing the whole heater from the bulkhead.
> >>> > (That seems like a hellofa job to me...)
> >>> > I searched the archives but what I found was not conclusive.
> >>> > > Anyone BTDT?
> >>> > > Bert
> >>> > Holland
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 10:19:46 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q
In-Reply-To: <20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
	<4BAD391A.5000102@justbrits.com>
	<20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4BAF8FB2.7030305@gmail.com>

Bert P wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Having read all of your comments, I have decided that I will be 
> taking the heater box
> out of the car first in order to replace the heater core.
> I'll have to order parts first, so it may take a while.
> I'll let the list know how it went, once it's done.
>
> Unfortunately, it means that I will have to remove the brake fluid 
> reservoir first.
> My car has a single hydraulic circuit, but with a remote transparent 
> reservoir VERY close to the heater box,
> so that the brake fluid level is visible immediately after you open the hood.
> I think it was a legal requirement, resulting in a feature unique to 
> cars delivered to this market (Holland, Europe).
In the meanwhile, why not use a good stopleak? 

-Rocky Frisco
--

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Sun Mar 28 14:18:33 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:18:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q
In-Reply-To: <4BAF8FB2.7030305@gmail.com>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
	<4BAD391A.5000102@justbrits.com>
	<20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>
	<4BAF8FB2.7030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BAFC7A9.80802@cox.net>

On 3/28/2010 10:19 AM, The Roxter wrote:
> In the meanwhile, why not use a good stopleak?
> -Rocky Frisco
Alternatively, just disconnect the hoses from the heater core and 
connect them together.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Mar 28 09:55:58 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:55:58 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q
In-Reply-To: <20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>
References: <20100326211429.A4727187644@autox.team.net>
	<4BAD391A.5000102@justbrits.com>
	<20100328165846.33A81187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E1Nw0i8-0001dE-EX@beta.look.ca>

Hello Bert,

Make sure you get the high efficiency one - I believe they are the 
ones that they put in the Austin Marina (ugh car!)

Just an off-the-cuff question - Do you know anyone around who has a 
DB2 or DB 2/4 Aston Martin?  I am trying to compile a list of owners.


At 11:58 AM 3/28/2010, Bert P wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Having read all of your comments, I have decided that I will be
>taking the heater box
>out of the car first in order to replace the heater core.
>I'll have to order parts first, so it may take a while.
>I'll let the list know how it went, once it's done.
>
>Unfortunately, it means that I will have to remove the brake fluid
>reservoir first.
>My car has a single hydraulic circuit, but with a remote transparent
>reservoir VERY close to the heater box,
>so that the brake fluid level is visible immediately after you open the hood.
>I think it was a legal requirement, resulting in a feature unique to
>cars delivered to this market (Holland, Europe).
>
>
>Greetings,
>Bert
>
>1970 MGB
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Mar 28 15:53:03 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:53:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Frustration Part II
In-Reply-To: <DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
	<DE08E73AFBE144E48304454A630C68DF@DELL>
Message-ID: <4BAFDDCF.4080201@bradakis.com>

> The last main bearing by the transmission was seized.  Rest of the 
> bearings looked okay.
>

My inclination is to think that the bearing was not checked for proper
clearance during initial assembly.  Too tight, spins when cold and clamps
up as soon as it got warm.

mjb.

From don at napanet.net  Sun Mar 28 22:11:15 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:11:15 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] searching . . .
Message-ID: <20100329053734.54A6F24DBC8@mail.napanet.net>

Last week I took a trek to look at a '69 B roadster.  I have narrowed 
my search to a steel-dash car, but this one was intriguiging enough 
to look at even with the safety dash and other features that I'd 
rather avoid.  In talking with the owner on the phone, I was told 
that she had owned the car since the mid-'70s, and it was more than a 
car; it was her baby.  Now the car lives (sleeps) in the corner of an 
old industrial building in an old industrial neighborhood.  It 
sounded like a possible "barn-find," but I knew that the chances of 
it being that were quite slim.

Just finding the right door to the old warehouse building was an 
adventure.  Once inside, I found two young men that were working 
there and they directed me to the owner's office upstairs.  She 
explained that she could not leave her desk as the business was 
short-handed, and that she would have the young guys help me.  They 
were quite cooperative, but neither of them knew how to drive a 
standard transmission.  One of them asked if it was a German car, but 
the other fellow knew such cars once existed because he had seen 
Austin Powers movies.  They removed the canvas tarp on the car, and 
pushed it out to daylight where I could look at it better.  It was a 
complete car and I could see no rust on it, but body panels were not 
aligned well.  The interior was on the shabby side.  The car's 
condition was such that repairs and some TLC would not quite do the 
trick; it would require restoration.  It ran, but poorly.  It was a 
rather sad old car, but probably better than many its age.

I decided to keep looking.

What was a shock to me was that the young guys working there not only 
could not drive a standard transmission, but had no clue as to what 
MGs were!  When I was their age, I knew what a Hupmobile or an Auburn 
was.  I knew about Model T Fords.  I think the younger generation are 
never going to be into British sports cars, especially if they can't 
even shift gears!

Don Scott
Calistoga, CA

1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT (selling)
2001 Miata SE BRG
63-67 MGB (searching)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 29 00:47:09 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net><B4A812A8-A7C6-4325-B3FB-F8A9EAAD1F6E@gmail.com>
	<E1Nvvbw-0004ps-DY@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <A18CACFA4CBA4B33A15B76A867215C84@paul>

Don't you attach the cable to the unit before fitting the unit to the car 
then do the adjustment at the control end?

----- Original Message ----- 
> ...   One thing however, has not been mentioned and
> that is adjusting the flap cables !   You have to do this through
> that tiny hole while "inside" the cockpit.  You have to slacken off
> the nut, pull the flap to fully closed and then tighten. 

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 04:21:01 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] searching . . .
In-Reply-To: <20100329053734.54A6F24DBC8@mail.napanet.net>
References: <20100329053734.54A6F24DBC8@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <934753.50997.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm curious as to what she was asking for her 'baby'. Strange that she was so attached to it yet let it decline to the point
where it's now a project....

I agree re: the manual trans thing. Of course, so few cars come with them these days, and now it seems a lot of manufacturers
are going the 'automated manual' route, which most people just leave in automatic mode anyways.... Both of my boys know how
to drive a stick, and the car they share is a stick as well. My daughter will learn when it's her turn. Wanting to drive my 6-speed
Audi versus the family van was a pretty powerful incentive! ;-)

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: don <don at napanet.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 1:11:15 AM
Subject: [Mgs] searching . . .

Last week I took a trek to look at a '69 B roadster.  I have narrowed my search to a steel-dash car, but this one was intriguiging enough to look at even with the safety dash and other features that I'd rather avoid.  In talking with the owner on the phone, I was told that she had owned the car since the mid-'70s, and it was more than a car; it was her baby.  Now the car lives (sleeps) in the corner of an old industrial building in an old industrial neighborhood.  It sounded like a possible "barn-find," but I knew that the chances of it being that were quite slim.

Just finding the right door to the old warehouse building was an adventure.  Once inside, I found two young men that were working there and they directed me to the owner's office upstairs.  She explained that she could not leave her desk as the business was short-handed, and that she would have the young guys help me.  They were quite cooperative, but neither of them knew how to drive a standard transmission.  One of them asked if it was a German car, but the other fellow knew such cars once existed because he had seen Austin Powers movies.  They removed the canvas tarp on the car, and pushed it out to daylight where I could look at it better.  It was a complete car and I could see no rust on it, but body panels were not aligned well.  The interior was on the shabby side.  The car's condition was such that repairs and some TLC would not quite do the trick; it would require restoration.  It ran, but poorly.  It was a rather sad old car, but probably
 better than many its age.

I decided to keep looking.

What was a shock to me was that the young guys working there not only could not drive a standard transmission, but had no clue as to what MGs were!  When I was their age, I knew what a Hupmobile or an Auburn was.  I knew about Model T Fords.  I think the younger generation are never going to be into British sports cars, especially if they can't even shift gears!

Don Scott
Calistoga, CA

1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT (selling)
2001 Miata SE BRG
63-67 MGB (searching)
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From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar 29 10:29:42 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:29:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Heater Core Removal Q - MGB
In-Reply-To: <A18CACFA4CBA4B33A15B76A867215C84@paul>
References: <4BAECD22.9030404@comcast.net>
	<B4A812A8-A7C6-4325-B3FB-F8A9EAAD1F6E@gmail.com>
	<E1Nvvbw-0004ps-DY@theta.look.ca>
	<A18CACFA4CBA4B33A15B76A867215C84@paul>
Message-ID: <E1NwIzA-0000aa-9N@zeta.look.ca>

I found that I could not get a satisfactory adjustment that way - it 
works but not 100%


At 03:47 AM 3/29/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Don't you attach the cable to the unit before fitting the unit to 
>the car then do the adjustment at the control end?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>...   One thing however, has not been mentioned and
>>that is adjusting the flap cables !   You have to do this through
>>that tiny hole while "inside" the cockpit.  You have to slacken off
>>the nut, pull the flap to fully closed and then tighten.
>

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 11:58:28 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] searching .
Message-ID: <48720d21003291158u8df64aand22228093b475f77@mail.gmail.com>

If you think that is bad, listen to this.

My mother-in-law always bought a stripped down care. Her last car was a
Plymouth Duster. You might say it was a NO car. No radio, no clock, not
automatic transmission, etc. It began to have problems with starting,
evidently standard for that car. You had to take the air cleaner off, drop a
screwdriver down the carb throat to keep the butterfly open, then start the
car.

Everyone said it was the carburetor but not one would do anything to fix.
it. I finally took it to the local Chrysler/Plymouth dealer to see if they
would fix it. When I went to pick it up (they didn't fix it either), *the
Chrysler mechanic didn't know how to drive a stick shift.*

If they couldn't, who could?

I think we have the same problem with our wire wheeled cars. Not to many
tire shops have ever seen an inner-tube. ,much less know how to fix one.

Jack

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 29 13:05:04 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] searching .
In-Reply-To: <48720d21003291158u8df64aand22228093b475f77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7D65600.2844F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Must have had a slant six. That little 1bbl always had idle problems, or
rather, it wouldn't idle at all. Easier to deal with if you had an auto --
you could maintain partial throttle and pop in and out of neutral. Although
I had a fully loaded A100 van once, and on an uphill start I made sure to
give it plenty of gas before slamming it into D... One loud bang, and the
next sound I heard was the driveshaft rolling down the hill (snapped at the
rear yoke).

On the wire wheel front, when I recently took a set in just to get the old
tires dismounted (so I could clean them up), the shop managed to destroy 3
out of 4 inner tubes ...that is, after I had told them, dispose of the 2
most worn tires, but keep the inner tubes. I wouldn't have minded so much if
they had just told me they had wrecked them, but they just gave me the inner
tubes along with the wheels and tires, and didn't say anything. It was only
when I went to get new tires mounted that I found out they were all jabbed
full of holes.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 3/29/10 11:58 AM, Jack Feldman at qualitas.jack at gmail.com wrote:

> If you think that is bad, listen to this.
> 
> My mother-in-law always bought a stripped down care. Her last car was a
> Plymouth Duster. You might say it was a NO car. No radio, no clock, not
> automatic transmission, etc. It began to have problems with starting,
> evidently standard for that car. You had to take the air cleaner off, drop a
> screwdriver down the carb throat to keep the butterfly open, then start the
> car.
> 
> Everyone said it was the carburetor but not one would do anything to fix.
> it. I finally took it to the local Chrysler/Plymouth dealer to see if they
> would fix it. When I went to pick it up (they didn't fix it either), *the
> Chrysler mechanic didn't know how to drive a stick shift.*
> 
> If they couldn't, who could?
> 
> I think we have the same problem with our wire wheeled cars. Not to many
> tire shops have ever seen an inner-tube. ,much less know how to fix one.
> 
> Jack

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Mar 29 14:45:01 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:45:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] searching .
In-Reply-To: <C7D65600.2844F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C7D65600.2844F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4BB11F5D.6040008@justbrits.com>

<< It was only when I went to get new tires mounted that I
found out they were all jabbed full of holes. >>

I certainly hope THEY paid for the new ones, Max ?!?

Ed

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 29 15:13:24 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:13:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] searching .
In-Reply-To: <4BB11F5D.6040008@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <C7D67414.2847E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yes, they did. They even provided 4, when one of the old ones was good. But
it cost me 4 trips to get it sorted out (since I was having the tires
mounted at a different shop, that knew how to balance the wire wheels).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/29/10 2:45 PM, shop at justbrits.com at shop at justbrits.com wrote:

> << It was only when I went to get new tires mounted that I
> found out they were all jabbed full of holes. >>
> 
> I certainly hope THEY paid for the new ones, Max ?!?
> 
> Ed

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Mar 29 18:54:39 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
In-Reply-To: <88358.18049.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<88358.18049.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <85E2AFB4-BCF3-427B-B4C2-D5B59DF6EA7B@tampabay.rr.com>

Thank you all very much...problem was the coil after all.
Dave Houser
On Mar 21, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Barney Gaylord wrote:

> Always do the diagnostic work before throwing money at it.
> Basic stuff first, start here:
> Spark and fuel curcuits: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm
>
> Grab test light.  Switch on.
>    A3 = light  ---  If not, fix the fee wire.
>    SW = light  ---  If not, fix the fee wire.
>    CB = no light when points closed  ---  If light, no ground  
> through distributor.
>        Broken flex wire (2 of them), or loose base clamp.
>    CB = light when points are open  ---  If not, shorting across  
> points in distributor.
>        Common wiring error, points wire shorted to ground on screw  
> post.
>    Points of course must open and close.
>
> Use ohm meter.
> Check resistance in coil, SW to CB.
>    3.2 ohms = good
>    1.6 ohms = wrong coil
>    50 mega ohms (open circuit) = bad coil.
> Check resistance, distriutor side terminal to engine block with  
> points closed.
>    Near 0 ohms is good.
>   >1/4 ohm (250 mili ohm or more) = burned points.
>
> If that checks out, then check for spark at coil HT wire (not plug  
> wires).
> Very weak spark from coil = bad condenser
> No spark out of coil = bad coil
> Spark from coil but no spark at any plugs = bad rotor or broken  
> center contact in cap.
>
> Spark on some plugs, not others = fault of cap or HT wires or plugs.
>    Check for spark on each HT wire to engine bolt (not thorugh plugs).
>    Some wires no spark, check resistance of wires end to end.
>          0 ohms = solid wire, good
>        ~5000 ohms per foot of length = resistor wire, good
>        ~50 mega ohms (open circuit) = bad wire or bad end connectors.
>    Check resistance of plugs from top connector to center electrode.
>        0 ohms = solid plug, good
>        ~3000 ohms, resistor plug, good
>        6,000 ohms or more = resistor plug, faulty
>
> If that's okay, then spark on some plugs but not others = bad cap.
>  Check resistance of each post inside to outside.
>        0 ohms = good post.
>        50 mega ohms = corroded aluminum post
>            Repalce cap.  Try to buy one with copper posts.
>    If posts asre good, visual check inside of cap
>        Crack or tracking inside of cap = bad cap.
>
> If you haven't got it yet, read these pages:
> Coil Testing: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig108.htm
> Ignition Trouble Shooting: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ 
> ig106.htm
>
> After all of that, call back about either success or failure.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> At 12:58 PM 3/20/2010 -0400, W. David Houser wrote:
>> ....
>> .... replaced coil, no change. .... switch on, fuel pump works,  
>> lights, getting gas...no spark out of coil....
>> ....
>> Car ran finecoming into garage and then  it didn't.
>> ....

From strovato at optonline.net  Mon Mar 29 19:22:42 2010
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:22:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA , no start, no spark
In-Reply-To: <85E2AFB4-BCF3-427B-B4C2-D5B59DF6EA7B@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <9806FB24-8B0C-4172-8A3D-058F8A55F1FE@tampabay.rr.com>
	<88358.18049.qm@smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<85E2AFB4-BCF3-427B-B4C2-D5B59DF6EA7B@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0L0200L8WPBGNNG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Dave,

You said you replaced the coil and there was no change.  Did you have 
two bad coils or is there more to this story?

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net

At 09:54 PM 3/29/2010, W. David Houser wrote:
>Thank you all very much...problem was the coil after all.
>Dave Houser

From dontoy at comcast.net  Tue Mar 30 02:41:05 2010
From: dontoy at comcast.net (DONALD TOY)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:41:05 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] TF air cleaner colours
Message-ID: <2982EFE13B4A4FE7986C88D593E5D561@DONALDTOY>

Oh wise ones...does anyone have the correct colours (British Spelling) for the
air cleaners on a 1954 TF... I've had enough of the polished aluminum and
would like to go back to the original valve cover, air cleaners, and tappet
cover. They are currently hardware store silver.
Don Toy
1954 MGTF

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 08:47:01 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:47:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
Message-ID: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>

I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.

It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car ran
fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue down
by the C.

I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the office. 3
minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start. A couple
minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work to
do.

Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater valve
and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten around
to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a symptom of the
temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.

Good to be back in the car.


Paul.

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Tue Mar 30 09:26:49 2010
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:26:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>

But Paul, where are you writing from? North Dakota??? 
Two Saturdays ago, I pulled my 76B out of the garage for the proverbial 
winter maintenance (oil change, spark plug change, quick battery charge) 
and took my SO for an hour's trip around Southern New Jersey. 
And old and frail?????? try 62....
But it was soooo nice driving in a sunny 60 degree environment....yea, I 
know what you mean about "Good to be back."

Bill Saidel
BMCSNJ



Paul Root wrote:
> I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
>
> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car ran
> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue down
> by the C.
>
> I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the office. 3
> minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start. A couple
> minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work to
> do.
>
> Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater valve
> and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten around
> to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a symptom of the
> temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
>
> Good to be back in the car.
>
>
> Paul.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 09:42:18 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <60AA5D19-E6E0-4C0E-8392-890029CF655A@gmail.com>

Minnesota.

On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Bill Saidel wrote:

> But Paul, where are you writing from? North Dakota??? Two Saturdays ago, I
pulled my 76B out of the garage for the proverbial winter maintenance (oil
change, spark plug change, quick battery charge) and took my SO for an hour's
trip around Southern New Jersey. And old and frail?????? try 62....
> But it was soooo nice driving in a sunny 60 degree environment....yea, I
know what you mean about "Good to be back."
>
> Bill Saidel
> BMCSNJ
>
>
>
> Paul Root wrote:
>> I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
>>
>> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car
ran
>> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue
down
>> by the C.
>>
>> I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the
office. 3
>> minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start. A
couple
>> minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work
to
>> do.
>>
>> Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater
valve
>> and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten
around
>> to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a symptom of
the
>> temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
>>
>> Good to be back in the car.
>>
>>
>> Paul.

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 30 10:06:51 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:06:51 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D684@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Nice guess. I think Minnesota. But similar story to mine - my first
drive of the year in my 72B was yesterday, in the 40s but warmed up to
high 50s for the drive home. Normally I still take it out for a drive
during the winter months when the weather is mild and the dirt road I
live on is dry. But this year we had record snow (Montana) and it was
buried in snow for about three months straight, the snow just melting a
few weeks ago.

The 72B ran well with no problems which is good since most of my car
time has been on a restoration of a 64B that hasn't run since 1981.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Saidel
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:27 AM
To: Paul Root
Cc: MG Digest
Subject: Re: [Mgs] first drive of the year

But Paul, where are you writing from? North Dakota???
Two Saturdays ago, I pulled my 76B out of the garage for the proverbial
winter maintenance (oil change, spark plug change, quick battery charge)

and took my SO for an hour's trip around Southern New Jersey.
And old and frail?????? try 62....
But it was soooo nice driving in a sunny 60 degree environment....yea, I

know what you mean about "Good to be back."

Bill Saidel
BMCSNJ



Paul Root wrote:
> I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
>
> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The
car ran
> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the
blue down
> by the C.
>
> I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the
office. 3
> minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start.
A couple
> minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic
work to
> do.
>
> Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater
valve
> and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten
around
> to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a
symptom of the
> temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
>
> Good to be back in the car.
>
>
> Paul.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 30 10:08:49 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

If you have the heater valve wide open, I can see it having a hard time
warming up in that weather. Try a piece of cardboard in front of the
radiator.



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
\\
on 3/30/10 8:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:

> I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
> 
> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car ran
> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue down
> by the C.
> 
> I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the office. 3
> minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start. A couple
> minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work to
> do.
> 
> Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater valve
> and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten around
> to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a symptom of the
> temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
> 
> Good to be back in the car.
> 
> 
> Paul.

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 30 11:21:00 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:21:00 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D68C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

"That weather" - 47 degrees is downright balmy. I wouldn't do the
cardboard trick unless it was actually cold, as in close to zero, but
certainly at a point when water exists as a solid. And even then, I only
do maybe a third of the radiator.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:09 AM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] first drive of the year

If you have the heater valve wide open, I can see it having a hard time
warming up in that weather. Try a piece of cardboard in front of the
radiator.



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 11:27:05 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>

But shouldn't the thermostat be closed?

I guess anything going through the heater core is going to go to the radiator
regardless. So something has to move from the radiator to the engine.

On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> If you have the heater valve wide open, I can see it having a hard time
> warming up in that weather. Try a piece of cardboard in front of the
> radiator.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> \\
> on 3/30/10 8:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
>>
>> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car
ran
>> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue
down
>> by the C.
>>
>> I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from the
office. 3
>> minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to start. A
couple
>> minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work
to
>> do.
>>
>> Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater
valve
>> and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten
around
>> to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a symptom of
the
>> temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
>>
>> Good to be back in the car.
>>
>>
>> Paul.
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From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Tue Mar 30 12:45:23 2010
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:45:23 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B9162C2-904C-4D98-B38F-423A1E01F82A@trebelhorn.com>

Agreed with David (I think) -- that's waay too warm to be having  
trouble warming the car up.  Check the thermostat.

I've used my car as a year-round DD, with a ball-valve heater control  
and a high-flow heater core.  Never -- and that includes single-digit  
temps (F) -- did I have trouble getting up to temp, when the  
thermostat was working properly.

Matt

From peter at nosimport.com  Tue Mar 30 13:44:07 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:44:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Just Brits Just Ed
Message-ID: <201003301244171.SM06964@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Just Spoke with Just Ed and he's Just not around his computer, but 
Just for a coupla days.

Just in case anyone needed to Just email him.... you'll Just have to 
wait for a response.

Peter C

From barrie at look.ca  Tue Mar 30 13:31:59 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <E1NwiRP-0007oW-Om@gamma.look.ca>

hello folks,

Took my MGB GT V8 for a short spin today, City of Barrie (yes yes, 
I'm Barrie from Barrie), Ontario. - great with rebuilt 5 speed 
gearbox (courtesy of Ted Schumacher).  Absolutely fabulous day.  As 
to all you young fellas, wait 'til you grow up - so says me at 75 !






At 12:26 PM 3/30/2010, Bill Saidel wrote:
>But Paul, where are you writing from? North Dakota??? Two Saturdays 
>ago, I pulled my 76B out of the garage for the proverbial winter 
>maintenance (oil change, spark plug change, quick battery charge) 
>and took my SO for an hour's trip around Southern New Jersey. And 
>old and frail?????? try 62....
>But it was soooo nice driving in a sunny 60 degree 
>environment....yea, I know what you mean about "Good to be back."
>
>Bill Saidel
>BMCSNJ
>
>
>
>Paul Root wrote:
>>I drove my 77 'B into work today. First drive of the year.
>>
>>It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car ran
>>fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue down
>>by the C.
>>
>>I stopped at a convinence store 13 miles in and a mile away from 
>>the office. 3
>>minutes in for my morning drink, and the engine didn't want to 
>>start. A couple
>>minutes of cranking and it came to life. So I've got some diagnostic work to
>>do.
>>
>>Last week, when I pulled the car out of storage, I removed the heater valve
>>and put in my home made (plumbing ball valve) valve. I haven't gotten around
>>to hooking up the controls, so it's wide open. Which could be a 
>>symptom of the
>>temperature gauge.  I did top up the radiator fully.
>>
>>Good to be back in the car.
>>
>>
>>Paul.
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>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:03:11 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:03:11 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <E1NwiRP-0007oW-Om@gamma.look.ca>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
	<E1NwiRP-0007oW-Om@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <z2t5b0769cb1003301603g95fa5a6dvc472266d40116c5e@mail.gmail.com>

I think I bought a new thermostat, just because last fall when I put in an
order. It may be time.
Hard starting again this afternoon. Just started fine after baseball
practice though

On Mar 30, 2010 3:53 PM, "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

hello folks,

Took my MGB GT V8 for a short spin today, City of Barrie (yes yes, I'm
Barrie from Barrie), Ontario. - great with rebuilt 5 speed gearbox (courtesy
of Ted Schumacher).  Absolutely fabulous day.  As to all you young fellas,
wait 'til you grow up - so says me at 75 !








At 12:26 PM 3/30/2010, Bill Saidel wrote:

> >
> > But Paul, where are you writing from? North Dakota??? Two Saturdays ago,
> I pulled my 76B out of ...
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From cyberemp at comcast.net  Tue Mar 30 16:08:22 2010
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:08:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] alt wiring question
In-Reply-To: <1882632075.10844111269990081797.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <973390450.10847101269990502262.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings list.
okay, so I found the alt replacement for my mg aftermarket kit. (1980 ford
fiesta, I think) No longer supported at local pep boys. but infernet had many,
this one a motorola for around $35, shipping and return core not yet
configured into that price.


New distributor has three insulated terminals
Big red one. power.
FLD should be field , goes to ignition light.
STA I think is "stator" and that's the one I'm not sure about.
I think it's a feedback for the alt to know the condition of the battery, and
regulate accordingly.
but it's insulator is black. though why I should worry about insulating a
ground is a mystery.
I suspect I can either splice the Power and Sta together, or find a fused link
for the Sta.


car is a 65 mgb with a lot of electrical mods, but should be a simple matter
figuring out where the STA wire goes.


thanksB 
Eric.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:30:44 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:30:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D684@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<4BB22649.3050807@camden.rutgers.edu>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D684@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <4BB289A4.2040503@gmail.com>

Councill, David wrote:
> Nice guess. I think Minnesota. But similar story to mine - my first
> drive of the year in my 72B was yesterday, in the 40s but warmed up to
> high 50s for the drive home. Normally I still take it out for a drive
> during the winter months when the weather is mild and the dirt road I
> live on is dry. But this year we had record snow (Montana) and it was
> buried in snow for about three months straight, the snow just melting a
> few weeks ago.
>
> The 72B ran well with no problems which is good since most of my car
> time has been on a restoration of a 64B that hasn't run since 1981.
I got the Victor out last week and replaced the plugs and fired it up. I have been using it for local errands ever since. The temps have hovered around 60 - 70 until today; it's 79 out there right now. Definitely top-down weather.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 17:16:24 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:16:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] alt wiring question
In-Reply-To: <973390450.10847101269990502262.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1882632075.10844111269990081797.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<973390450.10847101269990502262.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11003301716j283784e9n83e28cebbe364ae0@mail.gmail.com>

>>but it's insulator is black. though why I should worry about insulating a
ground is a mystery.
I don't know off the top of my head where the STA goes, but just a comment
Just because a connector is black does not mean it is a ground.
$.02
Rick

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:08 PM, <cyberemp at comcast.net> wrote:

> Greetings list.
> okay, so I found the alt replacement for my mg aftermarket kit. (1980 ford
> fiesta, I think) No longer supported at local pep boys. but infernet had
> many,
> this one a motorola for around $35, shipping and return core not yet
> configured into that price.
>
>
> New distributor has three insulated terminals
> Big red one. power.
> FLD should be field , goes to ignition light.
> STA I think is "stator" and that's the one I'm not sure about.
> I think it's a feedback for the alt to know the condition of the battery,
> and
> regulate accordingly.
> but it's insulator is black. though why I should worry about insulating a
> ground is a mystery.
> I suspect I can either splice the Power and Sta together, or find a fused
> link
> for the Sta.
>
>
> car is a 65 mgb with a lot of electrical mods, but should be a simple
> matter
> figuring out where the STA wire goes.
>
>
> thanksB
> Eric.
> _______________________________________________
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 00:59:25 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <52E6B805F8184114948D9459EB396AAC@paul>

Which doesn't affect the radiator of course, as the thermostat should be 
closed and the radiator cold!  What blocking off the intake *can* do, is 
reduce the icy blast around the block, and reduces the surface cooling of 
that.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... Try a piece of cardboard in front of the
> radiator.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 01:05:36 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:05:36 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FB4DDFDC9BB49939FDD5E352104F945@paul>

What circulates through the heater core circulates through the engine, not 
the radiator.  The heater core is a second radiator in parallel with the 
main radiator, but without a thermostat in series with it like the main 
radiator has.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I guess anything going through the heater core is going to go to the 
> radiator
> regardless. So something has to move from the radiator to the engine.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 00:55:37 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:55:37 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA1DBA034EF8475F953FEB32EFCDD7BB@paul>

Even in temperatures close to freezing and with the heater on (can get hot 
enough to be uncomfortable on our feet) my temp gauge gets about 3/4 the way 
from C to N, i.e. only a little lower than normal, although the radiator 
itself is barely warm.  I'd check the stat by letting it warm up from cold 
and feeling if the radiator gets gradually warm (bad) or suddenly very hot 
as the temp gauge gets near N (good).

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car 
> ran
> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue 
> down
> by the C.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 01:25:27 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:25:27 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] alt wiring question
References: <973390450.10847101269990502262.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CE281B8F9C6244F8B6659A8856AC13E9@paul>

*If* the STA lets the alt know the condition of the battery, otherwise known 
as the battery sensing terminal for the voltage regulator, then you can 
either strap it to the output or run a wire to the battery cable at the 
solenoid.  This latter way allows the alternator to overcome any volt-drop 
in the output cable under high current conditions and give better charging.

But Googling several posts indicate that STA goes to an external regulator, 
which is a completely different kettle of fish.  Or is used to drive a tach, 
which is yet another kettle of different fish.  Or the choke ditto.  All 
these are Ford posts.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> STA I think is "stator" and that's the one I'm not sure about.
> I think it's a feedback for the alt to know the condition of the battery, 
> and
> regulate accordingly.

From palte at gmx.net  Wed Mar 31 01:54:15 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:54:15 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <DA1DBA034EF8475F953FEB32EFCDD7BB@paul>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<DA1DBA034EF8475F953FEB32EFCDD7BB@paul>
Message-ID: <20100331085415.63620@gmx.net>

Paul wrote:

>  with the heater on (can get hot
> enough to be uncomfortable on our feet)

<snip>


I wished my (currently leaking, BTW) heater worked that well!!!


Bert 


-- 
GRATIS f|r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT!
Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 06:06:58 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <9FB4DDFDC9BB49939FDD5E352104F945@paul>
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>
	<9FB4DDFDC9BB49939FDD5E352104F945@paul>
Message-ID: <F957B5D8-FDE9-4172-BB5B-F8584A71BDD6@gmail.com>

Right, I just realized my mistake. I was thinking it's return goes into the
radiators return, when it's going to the hose feeding into the engine.  I just
didn't stop to think.


Yesterday, I was a little hard starting 20 minutes after stopping, when I
moved it away from possible foul balls in batting practice. An hour later it
started right up, and then 15 minutes after that it started right up.

This morning it was 50-55F and the top was already down. Nice drive in. The
temp gauge got to about a 1/4 inch above the blue on the 14-15 mile trip. Then
I stopped at Square Peg for take out breakfast, talked to Phil just a little
bit, he was busy. Came back out and it started right up.

Anybody else in the Twin Cities still on this list? Anybody going to Square
Peg, Saturday morning? Are the cars coming out yet?

Paul.

On Mar 31, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> What circulates through the heater core circulates through the engine, not
the radiator.  The heater core is a second radiator in parallel with the main
radiator, but without a thermostat in series with it like the main radiator
has.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I guess anything going through the heater core is going to go to the
radiator
>> regardless. So something has to move from the radiator to the engine.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 06:09:33 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
In-Reply-To: <DA1DBA034EF8475F953FEB32EFCDD7BB@paul>
References: <5FBA3113-BAA5-4603-A757-92CD6FC94DC6@gmail.com>
	<DA1DBA034EF8475F953FEB32EFCDD7BB@paul>
Message-ID: <CC5CDB20-2101-4405-84D9-1A2D8ED3E03E@gmail.com>

Yeah, I'm thinking that's Saturday's project. Somebody messed up and I have a
free Saturday! Probably should do an oil change too. Though I think I changed
the oil just before putting the car away for the winter.

On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Even in temperatures close to freezing and with the heater on (can get hot
enough to be uncomfortable on our feet) my temp gauge gets about 3/4 the way
from C to N, i.e. only a little lower than normal, although the radiator
itself is barely warm.  I'd check the stat by letting it warm up from cold and
feeling if the radiator gets gradually warm (bad) or suddenly very hot as the
temp gauge gets near N (good).
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> It was about 47 degrees, top up as I'm old and frail (46 :-) ). The car
ran
>> fine, but the temperature gauge never climbed above the edge of the blue
down
>> by the C.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 06:36:06 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:36:06 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] first drive of the year
References: <C7D77E31.284CA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<6744FB9C-E4CD-4D1D-81D5-B6C265AFEB51@gmail.com>
	<9FB4DDFDC9BB49939FDD5E352104F945@paul>
	<F957B5D8-FDE9-4172-BB5B-F8584A71BDD6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF6F67C5B9A84AE387086D4DC3ABA683@paul>

Lucky you, it's been snowing again here today (after Spring the last couple 
of weeks) even in the relatively southern Midlands, worse 'ooop North'.

----- Original Message ----- 
This morning it was 50-55F and the top was already down. Nice drive in. 

From markwisenc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 07:39:41 2010
From: markwisenc at gmail.com (Mark Wise)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:39:41 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Installing a Crane XR 700 electronic ignition - tips?
Message-ID: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>

Hi all...

I have a 1980 MGB that I will be attempting to get back on the road 
after a rather long hiatus (more on that later).  One step in this 
process will be to install a Crane XR700 ignition system.  For those of 
you who have attempted this, any advice, tips, or warnings?  :-)

The installation instructions suggest that I also replace the coil, 
rotor and cap, spark plug wires, and spark plugs.  Any advice on the 
make for these (specifically the coil)?

Thanks!

-- 


Mark Wise
Raleigh, NC

markwisenc at gmail.com

From markwisenc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 07:46:39 2010
From: markwisenc at gmail.com (Mark Wise)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:46:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
Message-ID: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>

As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to get my 1980 MGB 
back on the road after a long hiatus.  Due to changes in family, work, 
etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past several years.  
Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to "ride in the 
green car".  Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the road.

In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work on the car.  We 
will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first step.  The 
ignition was always a problem with that car.  Assuming that the new 
ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone have suggestions 
for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan on doing with the 
car before I take it on the road?  We'll definitely be changing the oil 
and filter.   Anything else?

Thanks for you help!

-- 


Mark Wise
Raleigh, NC

markwisenc at gmail.com

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Wed Mar 31 08:30:44 2010
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
References: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB36AA4.4000906@camden.rutgers.edu>

Must be the time of year...me too. I have a 1974.5 CBB that has sat in 
my driveway for 3 years (mostly because my 76 is running well) and my 
goal is to have it running this year. I'm with Mark. Suggestions??? 
(Thanks to  Dave C already for his wise words).
Bill Saidel
BMCSNJ



Mark Wise wrote:
> As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to get my 1980 MGB 
> back on the road after a long hiatus.  Due to changes in family, work, 
> etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past several years.  
> Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to "ride in the 
> green car".  Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the road.
>
> In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work on the car.  We 
> will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first step.  The 
> ignition was always a problem with that car.  Assuming that the new 
> ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone have suggestions 
> for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan on doing with the 
> car before I take it on the road?  We'll definitely be changing the oil 
> and filter.   Anything else?
>
> Thanks for you help!

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 31 08:40:12 2010
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:40:12 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
References: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <z2r9f2527521003310840me1d9166vf3418d2eb0498d81@mail.gmail.com>

For a start, everything that's listed in the regular maintenance schedule!

Check everything that's rubber for any signs of perishing - tyres, coolant
hoses, brake flexi-hoses, clutch flexi-hose, fuel hoses (engine bay and fuel
tank/pump area).  In fact, I'd be tempted to replace the tyres anyway,
particularly if they'd been on the car for a while beforehand - old tyres
can dismantle themselves even if they look OK, plus they are likely to be
out-of-round having sat for so long in the same position (unless the car was
on jack stands).

Bleed the brakes, not just 'til your sure there's no air in, but until fresh
fluid comes out (should be able to see a colour change between old and fresh
brake fluid).  Might as well do the clutch to.

Renew oil in the gearbox and diff, as well as the engine.

Get your boys to help out - it's a great education for them, and if they are
anything like mine they'll love to "help" (even if their actual usefulness
is limited!).  I'm sure you already know yourself how spending time fixing a
car helps build that emotional bond you have to it...

Richard & Daffy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 31 08:40:16 2010
From: tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com (Tuck Southworth)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:40:16 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
References: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W211515212B833D28B76D07BF1E0@phx.gbl>

I would drain the gas from the tank and the lines and replace with fresh gas
as well as install a new fuel filter.

Prior to startup I would remove the plugs and squirt some 20/50 in each
cylinder and spin the engine without the plugs in.

Reinstall the plugs (cleaned and gapped)



then basic stuff, check fluids, test brakes, make sure there are no critters
sleeping in the exhaust system!

The good folks on the list will fill in whatever I missed.



Tuck

69 B - hers

55 - TF 1500 all mine

> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:46:39 -0400
> From: markwisenc at gmail.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to get my 1980 MGB
> back on the road after a long hiatus. Due to changes in family, work,
> etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past several years.
> Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to "ride in the
> green car". Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the road.
>
> In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work on the car. We
> will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first step. The
> ignition was always a problem with that car. Assuming that the new
> ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone have suggestions
> for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan on doing with the
> car before I take it on the road? We'll definitely be changing the oil
> and filter. Anything else?
>
> Thanks for you help!
>
> --
>
>
> Mark Wise
> Raleigh, NC
>
> markwisenc at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 31 08:59:11 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Installing a Crane XR 700 electronic ignition - tips?
References: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADCE91E7D3724A75B52C71947155463E@paul>

No doubt Crane want you to purchase one from them.  It shouldn't be needed, 
the spark plug gap limits the maximum HT voltage that will be developed 
regardless of how much the electronic ignition unit is producing or what 
coil you have.  If you go above the 32thou plug gap then you will need HT 
cables with much thicker insulation and then be stressing coil, cap and 
rotor.  The main reason for them telling you to replace all that is that if 
you are fitting it because you have ignition problems, then unless it is 
just down to the points and condenser (which are cheap and easy to replace) 
you will have the same problems afterwards!  It's very easy to replace 
knackered original parts with expensive after-market gubbins, then crow 
about how good the new stuff is.  If you *do* have ignition problems, then 
you should be diagnosing that and not throwing money at it that isn't 
needed.  Electronic ignition is greatly overrated, a sound original system 
is perfectly adequate, and the 45DM4 system originally fitted to a 1980 MGB 
is one of the best electronic ignition systems you can get anyway.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The installation instructions suggest that I also replace the coil,
> rotor and cap, spark plug wires, and spark plugs. 

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 31 09:37:14 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:37:14 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7D8C84A.28551%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

All the replies were good advice, but don't despair if you don't feel
inclined to tackle some of the more cumbersome measures.

A few years ago, my father acquired a 1955 Chrysler Imperial that had been
stored since 1974. He pumped up the tires, added fresh gas, installed a new
battery, fired it up and drove it home. Obviously, for long-term use more
maintenance would be required. But I feel it is easier to maintain
enthusiasm about a project when said project is actually mobile.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149 [mobile project since 1988]
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/31/10 7:46 AM, Mark Wise at markwisenc at gmail.com wrote:

> As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to get my 1980 MGB
> back on the road after a long hiatus.  Due to changes in family, work,
> etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past several years.
> Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to "ride in the
> green car".  Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the road.
> 
> In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work on the car.  We
> will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first step.  The
> ignition was always a problem with that car.  Assuming that the new
> ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone have suggestions
> for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan on doing with the
> car before I take it on the road?  We'll definitely be changing the oil
> and filter.   Anything else?
> 
> Thanks for you help!

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 09:47:49 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
References: <4BB3604F.8030302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <134166.75772.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Mark, here is an article by the late Tony Barnhill that is a great guide on getting it back on the road....

http://www.theautoist.com/awakening_a_sleeping_b.htm

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Mark Wise <markwisenc at gmail.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 10:46:39 AM
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?

As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to get my 1980 MGB 
back on the road after a long hiatus.  Due to changes in family, work, 
etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past several years.  
Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to "ride in the 
green car".  Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the road.

In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work on the car.  We 
will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first step.  The 
ignition was always a problem with that car.  Assuming that the new 
ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone have suggestions 
for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan on doing with the 
car before I take it on the road?  We'll definitely be changing the oil 
and filter.   Anything else?

Thanks for you help!

-- 


Mark Wise
Raleigh, NC

markwisenc at gmail.com
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From kristi74midget at comcast.net  Wed Mar 31 09:55:43 2010
From: kristi74midget at comcast.net (Kristi & Lambert)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:55:43 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] seat rails
Message-ID: <43655C04-DAE0-4C3D-9C08-F077436200AD@comcast.net>

Hi,

Does anyone in or near pottstown/philly have seat rails for a passenger side
seat for a midget they would be willing to part with. Somehow I have lost a
pair and need then to finish putting my car back together for this beautiful
weekend.

Thanks

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Wed Mar 31 10:08:33 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:08:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Installing a Crane XR 700 electronic ignition - tips?
In-Reply-To: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>
References: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB38191.8040702@cox.net>

On 3/31/2010 7:39 AM, Mark Wise wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> I have a 1980 MGB that I will be attempting to get back on the road
> after a rather long hiatus (more on that later).  One step in this
> process will be to install a Crane XR700 ignition system.  For those of
> you who have attempted this, any advice, tips, or warnings?  :-)
>    
I installed mine with the existing cap and rotor. They were in good 
condition and recently replaced anyway. I do NOT miss screwing around 
with points.

The only unfortunate side effect of the electronic ignition is that the 
tach is off. There are some ways to fix that, but I can't remember what 
they are. Maybe somebody else knows?
> The installation instructions suggest that I also replace the coil,
> rotor and cap, spark plug wires, and spark plugs.  Any advice on the
> make for these (specifically the coil)?
>    
I suspect this is to save them tech support calls. If your cap, coil and 
rotor are in good condition, you should be fine.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

> Thanks!

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 11:43:37 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Installing a Crane XR 700 electronic ignition - tips?
In-Reply-To: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>
References: <4BB35EAD.6080207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB397D9.3070909@gmail.com>

Mark Wise wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> I have a 1980 MGB that I will be attempting to get back on the road 
> after a rather long hiatus (more on that later).  One step in this 
> process will be to install a Crane XR700 ignition system.  For those of 
> you who have attempted this, any advice, tips, or warnings?  :-)
>
> The installation instructions suggest that I also replace the coil, 
> rotor and cap, spark plug wires, and spark plugs.  Any advice on the 
> make for these (specifically the coil)?
I don't know the Crane system, but I have used a number of different electronic systems over the years. Just one warning: be careful when hooking up live connections; many of the modules can be killed forever by a wrong connection.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Mar 31 13:00:38 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Gear shift knob
Message-ID: <E1Nx47d-0001dx-L7@iota.look.ca>

I got a beautiful gear shift knob from Larry Heaps who can be found 
on www.britcot.com - it was for my under restoration Aston.   But, as 
usual, Brit threads are different and it will not fit.     The gear 
shift thread is 5/16 with 22 pitch, the knob is slightly larger than 
5/16 with bigger thread.  There are some inserts one can get but I am 
damned if I can remember the name and what they do.  Can someone help 
here please? - Thanks in advance for responses.

I tried plumbers tape and that was hopeless.

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 31 14:13:18 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Gear shift knob
In-Reply-To: <E1Nx47d-0001dx-L7@iota.look.ca>
Message-ID: <C7D908FE.2858A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Are you thinking of Helicoils?

It will probably require drilling and retapping the knob, to the next larger
SAE thread.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/31/10 1:00 PM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote:

> I got a beautiful gear shift knob from Larry Heaps who can be found
> on www.britcot.com - it was for my under restoration Aston.   But, as
> usual, Brit threads are different and it will not fit.     The gear
> shift thread is 5/16 with 22 pitch, the knob is slightly larger than
> 5/16 with bigger thread.  There are some inserts one can get but I am
> damned if I can remember the name and what they do.  Can someone help
> here please? - Thanks in advance for responses.
> 
> I tried plumbers tape and that was hopeless.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Barrie
> barrie at look.ca
> (705) 721-9060 

From eugeneb at nni.com  Wed Mar 31 19:16:28 2010
From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not driving?
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W211515212B833D28B76D07BF1E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <web-275814568@admin.nni.com>

Mark,

Replace all rubber gas lines including the lines from the
gas tank to the fuel pump, and the pump to the metal gas
line.  Include also the rubber hose that connects to the
carb.  All of mine were brittle and cracked

Gene 

80 B

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:40:16 -0400
 Tuck Southworth <tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I would drain the gas from the tank and the lines and
> replace with fresh gas
> as well as install a new fuel filter.
> 
> Prior to startup I would remove the plugs and squirt some
> 20/50 in each
> cylinder and spin the engine without the plugs in.
> 
> Reinstall the plugs (cleaned and gapped)
> 
> 
> 
> then basic stuff, check fluids, test brakes, make sure
> there are no critters
> sleeping in the exhaust system!
> 
> The good folks on the list will fill in whatever I
> missed.
> 
> 
> 
> Tuck
> 
> 69 B - hers
> 
> 55 - TF 1500 all mine
> 
> > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:46:39 -0400
> > From: markwisenc at gmail.com
> > To: mgs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Mgs] MGB maintenance after 3+ years not
> driving?
> >
> > As I mentioned in a previous post, I am going to try to
> get my 1980 MGB
> > back on the road after a long hiatus. Due to changes in
> family, work,
> > etc. the poor car has only been driven once in the past
> several years.
> > Now my two young boys ask me daily when they'll get to
> "ride in the
> > green car". Sadly, neither have ever seen it on the
> road.
> >
> > In two weeks, my Dad will be flying out to help me work
> on the car. We
> > will be installing a Crane XR700 ignition, as the first
> step. The
> > ignition was always a problem with that car. Assuming
> that the new
> > ignition will actually get the car running, does anyone
> have suggestions
> > for some other maintenance to-do's that I should plan
> on doing with the
> > car before I take it on the road? We'll definitely be
> changing the oil
> > and filter. Anything else?
> >
> > Thanks for you help!
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Mark Wise
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> > markwisenc at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 20:05:56 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Gear shift knob
In-Reply-To: <C7D908FE.2858A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <E1Nx47d-0001dx-L7@iota.look.ca>
	<C7D908FE.2858A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
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Heilcoils and other thread inserts don't go to the next standard thread size
to the best of my knowledge.
A helicoil kit comes with some bizarre sized tap that is set to the outside
of the helicoil.  For example if you have a stripped 1/4X20 hole, it does
not tap out to 5/16X18 or 5/16X24 because the threads per inch have to
remain constant between the desired size and what it is being tapped out to
for the helicoil.  So if you are installing a helicoil in a 1/4X20 hole
whatever the size the tap is it will be 20 TPI.
So if your knob is larger than the shift lever, you can have a custom insert
machined assuming the difference is large enough, or you might be able to
fill the hole with some type of filler that can then be drilled and machined
(JB Weld?) or you can buy a new knob.
Rick

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Are you thinking of Helicoils?
>
> It will probably require drilling and retapping the knob, to the next
> larger
> SAE thread.
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 3/31/10 1:00 PM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote:
>
> > I got a beautiful gear shift knob from Larry Heaps who can be found
> > on www.britcot.com - it was for my under restoration Aston.   But, as
> > usual, Brit threads are different and it will not fit.     The gear
> > shift thread is 5/16 with 22 pitch, the knob is slightly larger than
> > 5/16 with bigger thread.  There are some inserts one can get but I am
> > damned if I can remember the name and what they do.  Can someone help
> > here please? - Thanks in advance for responses.
> >
> > I tried plumbers tape and that was hopeless.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Barrie
> > barrie at look.ca
> > (705) 721-9060
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>
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