From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 10:30:33 2010
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:30:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] On its way to Texas
Message-ID: <354770.99409.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Friends,

My - uhhh, I mean, - Nancy's 'new' car is now on its way to Texas,

http://www.aubard.us/Jaguar/Loading_on_delivery_truck_1.JPG

http://www.aubard.us/Jaguar/Loading_on_delivery_truck_2.JPG

-rick

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 11:13:22 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:13:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] On its way to Texas
In-Reply-To: <354770.99409.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <354770.99409.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <474356.72338.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Oooo, V-12! Is it a manual or automatic?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 12:30:33 PM
Subject: [Mgs] On its way to Texas

Hello Friends,

My - uhhh, I mean, - Nancy's 'new' car is now on its way to Texas,

http://www.aubard.us/Jaguar/Loading_on_delivery_truck_1.JPG

http://www.aubard.us/Jaguar/Loading_on_delivery_truck_2.JPG

-rick
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Jan  2 12:08:03 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:08:03 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Car seats
In-Reply-To: <354770.99409.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <354770.99409.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0688A104@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Anyone need or is there any value with old car seats? I just went to my
son's storage shed to cannibalize parts for my 64B seats (the rubber
seat cushion diaphragms, clips holding fabric to frame). I brought back
seats from a 65B and a 71BGT. I may throw out the parts I don't use,
particularly the 71BGT seat remnants but I don't want to discard any
parts that are scarce/irreplaceable although I suspect seats are
excessive parts of little value. Does anyone need any seat parts before
they go for the cost of shipping? Beings that I am in Montana (USA),
there is no local market nor can I give them away here.

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B

From rshellen at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 08:31:03 2010
From: rshellen at comcast.net (E. Ronald Shellenberger)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG Seats
Message-ID: <E14FD38A7CAC494B99D94BB954FC1C16@ronws>

Looking at Moss and VB, they only have frames for 62-68 seats. Maybe frames
for >68 are worth holding on to??
Ron

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan  4 09:47:09 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:47:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG Seats
References: <E14FD38A7CAC494B99D94BB954FC1C16@ronws>
Message-ID: <76B955DCEC5D4A1CA593A0FB82DC35C5@paul>

I'm surprised they have those, surely they are new?  Wouldn't be that 
difficult to get hold of used of almost any age, certainly later years, in 
useable condition I would have thought.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Looking at Moss and VB, they only have frames for 62-68 seats. Maybe 
> frames
> for >68 are worth holding on to??

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  4 10:05:49 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:05:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MG Seats
In-Reply-To: <E14FD38A7CAC494B99D94BB954FC1C16@ronws>
References: <E14FD38A7CAC494B99D94BB954FC1C16@ronws>
Message-ID: <DEB0DE31F5114A9FA32FF74360CF72AE@ranteer.local>

I have a set.  for sale . . .

--------------------------------------------------
From: "E. Ronald Shellenberger" <rshellen at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 9:31 AM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] MG Seats

> Looking at Moss and VB, they only have frames for 62-68 seats. Maybe 
> frames
> for >68 are worth holding on to??
> Ron
>
> _____________________ 

From sales at justbrits.com  Mon Jan  4 12:26:45 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:26:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MG Seats
In-Reply-To: <DEB0DE31F5114A9FA32FF74360CF72AE@ranteer.local>
References: <E14FD38A7CAC494B99D94BB954FC1C16@ronws>
	<DEB0DE31F5114A9FA32FF74360CF72AE@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <4B4240F5.6000907@justbrits.com>

<< I have a set.  for sale . . . >>

Do we just ASSUME what year they are ??

And are they in the Mother Land <G> ??

I have a Camino F.S. and the info I INCLUDE is
WHERE it is and WHAT year it is.

Geesh.

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 11:53:44 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] What year and B engine series
Message-ID: <32E6C073-9DF6-4E6B-A23B-C72B00EB5616@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
Got a rescued B engine that I am rebuilding. Don't know what year car  
it came from. It's a 68> as it doesn't match my 67 BGT engine. No  
carbs came with it. No intake manifold. No engine plate numbers on  
head. Engine number on side is 12H3248. No dipstick. Some clues: Head  
on it says 12H2389, AFI. Date stamp on head says 4-21-70 in a circle.  
( Has it been swapped a some point? No idea) Also, it has blocked air  
injection ports, of course. Water pump has a bracket that might have  
attached air pump. Looks like item # 13 P. 16 in Moss catalog. There  
is a bracket on the side of the block by the distributor that holds a  
round oil pressure switch? Valve cover has a vent valve on rear that  
was smashed but looks like it went to the side not back. MG decal  
only. Inverted oil canister. Flywheel/Ring gear measures 12.75  
overall, flywheel is 11.5. Dipstick shape is 3-1/4" and from what I  
gather from www.mgamgb.com is found on all 18GF, GH, GK engines only.  
So what am I?
Let me know if you need more info.
Cheers,
Dave Houser

From crk at godblessthe.us  Tue Jan  5 15:27:50 2010
From: crk at godblessthe.us (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:27:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Glowing B problems~
Message-ID: <007201ca8e56$5179d130$f46d7390$@us>

I have a 79 B which I started up after 10 years. I had problems with the
fuel pump which was stone quiet until hammer taken on it when it decided to
behave. Fuel lines were brittle from tank to pump to engine compartment and
from plastic fuel filter to carb. Replaced and lots of cranking and the
beastie finally coughed alive after minutes of cranking.

 

Now for the meat. When I mothballed the B 10 years ago, I had a problem
which the "MG mechanic" had worked to right several times with little
success or knowledge apparently. The problem presented today very quickly ~
5 minutes. The exhaust pipe started glowing bright red. Now, I've been told
several solutions: 1) the mixture is too lean and therefore is burning in
the exhaust, not in the cylinder; 2) the mixture is too rich and isn't
burning completely in the cylinder, but is continuing to burn in the
exhaust. 

 

What say you? Is there a problem possibly with the exhaust valves burning?
The car has only 9000 miles on it.

 

Thanks,

 

Clayton

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Jan  5 16:34:44 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:34:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Glowing B problems~
In-Reply-To: <007201ca8e56$5179d130$f46d7390$@us>
References: <007201ca8e56$5179d130$f46d7390$@us>
Message-ID: <739642.11512.qm@smtp120.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

And the winner is, option 2.  Fuel mixture is EXTREMELY rich, with 
lots of excess fuel not burned in the cylinders pouring into the 
exhaust system.  This is a result of the emissions system doing 
generaly what it is supposed to do while a faulty carburetor is 
spewing excess fuel.

The air injection pump puts fresh air into the exhaust ports to help 
complete combustion of unburned fuel (to reduce hydrocarbon 
emissions).  The gulp valve also introduces excess air into the 
intake manifold under certain circumstances.  A misbehaving gulp 
valve might at times introduce too much air.  Copious amounts of 
fresh air introduced into the exhaust system combine with lots of 
excess fuel from the faulty carburetor, and heat lights it off and 
lets it burn in the exhaust system.

The burn commonly occurs in the catylitic converter, which is 
supposed to run hot normally to perform exactly that function.  When 
there is far too much fuel available the cat-con may run red hot, and 
more heat could also light up the pipe immediately after the 
cat-con.  All bad of course.

First order of business is to fix the faulty carburetor.  Most likely 
the float valve is sticking open resulting in liquid fuel pouring 
into the engine.  Another possibility is the choke mechanism, fuel 
enrichment system intended to assist cold start, being stuck in the 
full enrich condition, thereby overly enriching fuel mixture after 
the engine is warmed up.

The simple answer is, if you don't want the fires of hell burning in 
your exhaust system, stop pouring fuel on the fire.  This is a common 
problem with cars that spend a lot of time in storage.  If someone 
locked you up in a small room for 10 years, you might be a little 
tight and cranky too.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 02:27 PM 1/5/2010 -0800, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>I have a 79 B which I started up after 10 years.....
>
>.... The exhaust pipe started glowing bright red. Now, I've been 
>told several solutions: 1) the mixture is too lean and therefore is 
>burning in the exhaust, not in the cylinder; 2) the mixture is too 
>rich and isn't burning completely in the cylinder, but is continuing 
>to burn in the exhaust.
>....

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  5 16:23:04 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:23:04 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Glowing B problems~
In-Reply-To: <007201ca8e56$5179d130$f46d7390$@us>
Message-ID: <C76909D8.26269%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I don't see how a lean mixture could result in fuel burning in the exhaust
-- I think it would have to be too rich. As another possibility, could the
converter be clogged (not from this, but from some other mishap -- mice,
etc.)?


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/5/10 2:27 PM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk at godblessthe.us wrote:

> I have a 79 B which I started up after 10 years. I had problems with the
> fuel pump which was stone quiet until hammer taken on it when it decided to
> behave. Fuel lines were brittle from tank to pump to engine compartment and
> from plastic fuel filter to carb. Replaced and lots of cranking and the
> beastie finally coughed alive after minutes of cranking.
> 
>  
> 
> Now for the meat. When I mothballed the B 10 years ago, I had a problem
> which the "MG mechanic" had worked to right several times with little
> success or knowledge apparently. The problem presented today very quickly ~
> 5 minutes. The exhaust pipe started glowing bright red. Now, I've been told
> several solutions: 1) the mixture is too lean and therefore is burning in
> the exhaust, not in the cylinder; 2) the mixture is too rich and isn't
> burning completely in the cylinder, but is continuing to burn in the
> exhaust. 
> 
>  
> 
> What say you? Is there a problem possibly with the exhaust valves burning?
> The car has only 9000 miles on it.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Clayton

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 17:04:51 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:04:51 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] What year and B engine series
Message-ID: <4B43D3A3.6010908@comcast.net>

Ok, Bob, I'll start the bidding with;

I'd say at least a GH - air ports AND air pump arm, (I've seen air pump 
thermo caps on early engines for the strangest of reasons). Engine plate 
will be on the block not the head. But the chambers will already be 
eyebrowed.

For $10.00, Bob, what color is the engine?

Glenn

-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 14:07:59 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:07:59 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <582AB024-A266-473D-9177-863947157DBA@gmail.com>

A friend of mine has a '67 B that needs a trans rebuild. He has a  
chance to buy a '68 full syncro box that is reported to be in perfect  
condition for cheap.
He has asked me the $64,000 question to which I don't know the answer  
to, will it fit?  Drop in replacement or will it require body mods.
Anybody done this?
Rick
Sent from my iPhone

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 15:15:03 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:15:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
In-Reply-To: <582AB024-A266-473D-9177-863947157DBA@gmail.com>
References: <582AB024-A266-473D-9177-863947157DBA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5585.22929.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Assuming the '67 is a Mark I car (earlier in the year versus later) the answer is that it will ft, and some modification (with
a hammer) may be required to the trans tunnel. I have seen posts that it will fit fine, and others that some massaging is necessary.
May also need to use a later rear plate on the engine

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>; Katz Harlan <harlankatz at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 4:07:59 PM
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question

A friend of mine has a '67 B that needs a trans rebuild. He has a chance to buy a '68 full syncro box that is reported to be in perfect condition for cheap.
He has asked me the $64,000 question to which I don't know the answer to, will it fit?  Drop in replacement or will it require body mods.
Anybody done this?
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  6 15:26:17 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:26:17 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
In-Reply-To: <582AB024-A266-473D-9177-863947157DBA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C76A4E09.262D1%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Mods include:

New engine rear plate
New flywheel
New starter (this is a good thing)
Possibly new driveshaft (would have to look up)
New tunnel top cover (if still available; or major mods to old one)
Possibly hammer-clearancing inside tunnel (I did not find this necessary)
New shift lever and knob (may come with tranny)

So, not a drop-in by any means, but feasible.

I wouldn't do it just for the 1st-gear synchro -- I did it because the later
tranny had OD, which made it worthwhile.

The guy who used to carry the tunnel cover for this conversion is no longer
in business, so there is probably a bit of fabrication required.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/6/10 1:07 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> A friend of mine has a '67 B that needs a trans rebuild. He has a
> chance to buy a '68 full syncro box that is reported to be in perfect
> condition for cheap.
> He has asked me the $64,000 question to which I don't know the answer
> to, will it fit?  Drop in replacement or will it require body mods.
> Anybody done this?
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 15:55:25 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:55:25 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
In-Reply-To: <5585.22929.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <582AB024-A266-473D-9177-863947157DBA@gmail.com>
	<5585.22929.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <937AAC26-4366-494A-A812-2278B4CD4A4D@gmail.com>

I think it is an early but I am not sure.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2010, at 14:15, Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Assuming the '67 is a Mark I car (earlier in the year versus later)  
> the answer is that it will ft, and some modification (with
> a hammer) may be required to the trans tunnel. I have seen posts  
> that it will fit fine, and others that some massaging is necessary.
> May also need to use a later rear plate on the engine
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer
> '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
> NAMGBR #5-2328
> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
> http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
> http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
> twitter: dandibiase
>
>
> From: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
> To: MGs <mgs at autox.team.net>; Katz Harlan <harlankatz at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 4:07:59 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
>
> A friend of mine has a '67 B that needs a trans rebuild. He has a  
> chance to buy a '68 full syncro box that is reported to be in  
> perfect condition for cheap.
> He has asked me the $64,000 question to which I don't know the  
> answer to, will it fit?  Drop in replacement or will it require body  
> mods.
> Anybody done this?
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 16:36:07 2010
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:36:07 EST
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <d64.4810b027.38767867@aol.com>

Just need the rear engine plate to match the trans, AND the correct all  
synch flywheel to make it work.
And maybe a couple of whacks from a hammer in the tunnel, but IIRCC nothing 
 major.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/2010 3:33:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
richard.ewald at gmail.com writes:

I think  it is an early but I am not  sure.

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 14:53:26 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:53:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <4B4657D6.4050409@comcast.net>

I'm currently running a '69 trans w/OD in my '67 Mk I and a tube axle.

Things I had to do (mind you, I had all this from my '69):
I *think* I did the backplate (makes sense)

Flywheel with ring gear
starter
prop shaft
move the lever hole
run wire for OD

The only mod to the body was that the shift lever moved towards the rear 
by a few inches and it's too far to use the same hole. I cut a crescent 
from the rear of the hole about 1" deep and tacked it to the front of 
the hole. Before I could get the carpet on I discovered British 
Automotive had a fiberglass cover (NLA to my knowledge) made for the 
mod. Fit fine, but a different profile than original so I wound up doing 
some custom carpeting that I think looks a lot better than OEM.

The propshafts are kind of all over the place. OD or not? Banjo or 
Salisbury? What to do? Turned out the shaft from the '69 with OD and 
Salisbury fit perfectly for Mk I with LH OD and banjo. I just put a 
Salisbury in and had to change shafts again. Your move. Propshaft length 
is a black art.

There is ample clearance for the unit as is without bashing. The only 
problem I've seen is that for engine removal, you HAVE to remove both as 
a unit. No more engine only clutch jobs. That may not be the case with a 
four synchro without OD. But it I doubt it. It has to do with not being 
able to clear the spigot and getting to the backplate-bellhouse bolts, 
if I remember.

That's all I can think of. You MAY need to re-calibrate the speedo. Mine 
was off and needed done anyway. Still, not that bad if you have the 
extra bits.



> A friend of mine has a '67 B that needs a trans rebuild. He has a  
> chance to buy a '68 full syncro box that is reported to be in perfect  
> condition for cheap.
> He has asked me the $64,000 question to which I don't know the answer  
> to, will it fit?  Drop in replacement or will it require body mods.
> Anybody done this?
> Rick


-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From pete_groh at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 10:20:51 2010
From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] License plates, State of Texas info  my MD state (YOM)
Message-ID: <477813.58842.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I set up as a vendor at auto flea market selling keys for British cars. In
Maryland, your can register license plates the same year of  your car. I came
across this information about Texas license plates, and put in a request for
letters/numbers 65 MGB.

http://www.myplates.com/Design

b
Congratulations!
That combination is available! You can now move forward with purchasing your
plateb


On my own British cars, have a dealership plates for the year 63b
on the BJ7 and a 65b on my TR4.

Kind regards, 
Pete Groh (KeyGuy)
Ellicott
City MD USA

From twobees at sprynet.com  Sun Jan 10 08:47:42 2010
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Subject:  B trans question
Message-ID: <001501ca920c$3f3ac740$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Richard:

This was one of the very first mods I did to my '66 back around 1996.  So, I
don't remember the details.  But, Max has most of them down.  I did not
change driveshaft.  And, it served me fine through 10 years of daily driving
with occasional races.  Same shaft is likely in the car today & it is a
dedicated racecar.

Modification to trans cover is minimal.  See attached images.  A small notch
in rear of opening & a bent chrome bezel screwed into new holes over a new
carpet did the trick.

The one additional problem I encountered was when I installed the
high-performance Fab-Tek engine with a roller-bearing throwout.  It burned
up within 700 miles because the t.o. arm is 1/4" different early to late
bell housing.  Changed arm & went back to carbon bearing and all was well.
Image attached for you along with other pertinent ones.

I too went to an o/d unit.  An additional mod to the trans was to install
MGC gears.  A cheap alternative to true close-ratio gears.  The "C" gears
are about mid-way in ratio between stock "B" & the very pricey c.r. gears.

Norm Sippel

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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 477 Trans Tunnel.JPG]

From nsippel at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 10 10:05:47 2010
From: nsippel at mindspring.com (Norm)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:05:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <000001ca9217$282050b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Glenn says, "The only problem I've seen is that for engine removal, you HAVE
to remove both as a unit. No more engine only clutch jobs. That may not be
the case with a four synchro without OD. But it I doubt it. It has to do
with not being able to clear the spigot and getting to the
backplate-bellhouse bolts, if I remember."

Actually, I always found that I was able to R&R JUST the engine.  And, after
the problem with the t.o. arm, I did that 5-times in one year.  Was able to
do MGB engine R&R that way in 5 hours flat working alone.  And, I'm not a
professional mechanic.



To this day, I still don't know why people take the trans out when not
necessary.  Longest it ever took me to align input shaft splines with clutch
plate was maybe 5 minutes--maybe.  Usually it slides in on 1st or 2nd try.
Same with my Turner.  Only problem with the Turner is the 948 engine.
Everything is so much smaller with correspondingly less room to work than on
the B.  My fingers are too big.  Last Turner engine install took a whopping
10 hours excluding pauses to swear.



Norm Sippel

From don at napanet.net  Sun Jan 10 14:47:45 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:47:45 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] For the MG guy who needs an RV
Message-ID: <20100110215659.5DFC224BA5C@mail.napanet.net>

This has to be the biggest of the British vehicles being offered at 
the RM Auction in Arizona later this month.  For this kind of money, 
it better come with Heritage Certificate, shop tools, and a clean 
Carfax.  Makes my wonder why BMC didn't go head-to-head with 
Winnebago in the RV market!

Don Scott
Calistoga, CA
1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT (selling)
2001 Miata SE BRG
63-67 MGB (searching)


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From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Jan 10 16:17:12 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:17:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] TURN SIGNAL LEVER
Message-ID: <C3C148A1C12349679707DD76FC843A41@TOMPC>

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Gunderson
To: Mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: TURN SIGNAL LEVER


I am looking for an original MGA style, black, turn signal lever. No
reproductions.
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA 1500 rst

From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Jan 10 16:31:25 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA HAND CRANK TIP PIN
Message-ID: <C65C11BE3EBD44788BB76A340F50E71F@TOMPC>

How should I replace the tip pin? I think someone removed mine for sastey
reasons.
Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA 1500 rst

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 17:12:46 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:12:46 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
In-Reply-To: <202C6FC7C3F54521967379A978DF3D8E@paul>
Message-ID: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

My MGB has been suffering from what seems to be fuel delivery problems, so I
just attempted this test. I attached a length of spare hose to the exit of
the fuel filter and ran it onto an open container (a measuring cup from the
kitchen). It was only a US pint container, so I didn't expect to be able to
run for a full minute.

When switched on, it started off fast, filling about 2/3 cup in less than 15
seconds. But then it stopped all by itself, so I switched off after 30
seconds.

If this is what it has been doing in operation, it would completely explain
the symptoms. After driving at freeway or expressway speed for a few miles,
the engine would sputter and lose power. After pulling over, I would hear
the fuel pump kick back in, and after a minute, I could accelerate away
smartly. In city traffic, it never had a problem, presumably because sitting
at idle at traffic lights would give the pump a chance to catch up.

This is a replacement SU pump from Moss that I only installed in late 2006.
Its predecessor failed in a similar manner, but only after at least 25 and
possibly 40 years.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 12/17/09 4:50 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Assuming it's pretty much like the original MGB pump:
> 
> If you have an SU pump then listening for clicking when turning on the
> ignition but before starting the engine is a perfectly valid test. Depending
> on how hot the engine was when last switched off it may click just a couple
> of times (cold) or for several seconds (hot). But if you turn the engine on
> within a few minutes of turning it off it may not click at all especially
> when cold. Note that some after-market types chatter all the time,
> regardless of engine demand.
> If it doesn't click at all after having left the ignition off for several
> hours or overnight then the pump or its electrical supply is probably
> faulty. If it clicks, then it should stop, and only make a single click once
> every 30 secs or longer. If it clicks more frequently than that then either
> the float valves are leaking and it will eventually overflow, which if you
> have a charcoal canister make take some time to appear on the ground, or the
> non-return valve in the pump inlet is leaking. If it continues to click
> rapidly then either you are out of fuel i.e the fuel level is below the
> pickup strainer, the pickup pipe is perforated above the fuel line, or a
> float valve or the non-return valve mentioned above are stuck open. If rapid
> clicking stops and starts while the ignition is on but the engine isn't
> running that implies either very marginal fuel level or the non-return valve
> intermittently sticking. Note that some after-market types output excess
> pressure which will overwhelm the float valves and cause flooding unless a
> fuel regulator limited to 2psi is also installed.
> 
> If it clicks and stops as it should, then check delivery. Remove a fuel feed
> pipe from a carb (be aware it will spurt if the ignition has been on
> recently with SU and Moprod types), direct it into a container, and turn on
> the ignition. It should deliver at least one Imperial pint per minute, in
> practice closer to two, in a steady stream of pulses with minimal bubbles.
> Erratic pumping indicates pump or fuel level problems, lost of bubbles a
> leak on the tank side of the pump plumbing. Note that the delivery
> requirements apply to after-market types as well.
> 
> If all that is right then the only other thing running the engine is going
> to tell you is if there is a very intermittent problem with the pump or its
> electrical supply that only being operated for a long time may reveal.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> What is the best way to check an original MGA fuel pump.

From hardt at sonic.net  Sun Jan 10 17:39:58 2010
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:39:58 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA HAND CRANK TIP PIN
In-Reply-To: <C65C11BE3EBD44788BB76A340F50E71F@TOMPC>
References: <C65C11BE3EBD44788BB76A340F50E71F@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <4B4A735E.3050504@sonic.net>

I replaced mine with a split pin from the local hardware store...works 
better than original!

Ron
58 MGA

Tom Gunderson wrote:
> How should I replace the tip pin? I think someone removed mine for sastey
> reasons.
> Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA 1500 rst

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Jan 10 19:19:59 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:19:59 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
In-Reply-To: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <202C6FC7C3F54521967379A978DF3D8E@paul>
	<C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <503272.24100.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Ah-ha.  If this is a points type pump a couple years old, I have some 
detailed information that may explain this mode of failure 
(maybe).  A friend ran into this probelm with a Moss supplied points 
type fuel pump almost two years ago.  With the electrical end open on 
the bench it was easy enough to see why it was going whacky, and 
customer credit was proffered for the defective part.

Until now this was a single isolated incident, no other reports of 
similar failure, so no way to know if it was a single bad part or 
possible a bad production batch.  As last known Burlen was ignoring 
the issue, and distributors would continue to sell the parts as-is 
unless there would be more complaints (and significant returns of 
course).  See here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm

You will have to open the electrical end of the pump (remove cover 
for inspection).  Do tell if you may find the same fault here.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 04:12 PM 1/10/2010 -0800, Max Heim wrote:
>My MGB has been suffering from what seems to be fuel delivery problems, so I
>just attempted this test. I attached a length of spare hose to the exit of
>the fuel filter and ran it onto an open container (a measuring cup from the
>kitchen). It was only a US pint container, so I didn't expect to be able to
>run for a full minute.
>
>When switched on, it started off fast, filling about 2/3 cup in less than 15
>seconds. But then it stopped all by itself, so I switched off after 30
>seconds.
>
>If this is what it has been doing in operation, it would completely explain
>the symptoms. After driving at freeway or expressway speed for a few miles,
>the engine would sputter and lose power. After pulling over, I would hear
>the fuel pump kick back in, and after a minute, I could accelerate away
>smartly. In city traffic, it never had a problem, presumably because sitting
>at idle at traffic lights would give the pump a chance to catch up.
>
>This is a replacement SU pump from Moss that I only installed in late 2006.
>Its predecessor failed in a similar manner, but only after at least 25 and
>possibly 40 years.
>....

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 10 19:33:45 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:45 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
In-Reply-To: <0FCF6A212B2B4B4FA2E6E048008AF26F@XPS400>
Message-ID: <C76FCE09.263F1%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Before I ran this test, I replaced the fuel filter (at the carbs), and
inspected the screen in the pump (which was clean).

Aaron asked about the gas cap -- since I have had the same gas cap for over
20 years, I really don't suspect it. But I may run the check just the same.

Don asked about the contact points. No, I have not inspected them yet -- the
first step was to establish that the pump was indeed the problem. But I
would be a little surprised if this were a problem on a 3-year-old pump
(well, I suppose it may have been sitting in stock for years before that).
Again, I will have to look -- I will check this while investigating Barney's
suggestion.

Thanks to all for their suggestions.


Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/10/10 6:21 PM, Ron Fine at RonFineEsq at earthlink.net wrote:

> Sounds like maybe there is dirt in the pickup in tube from the gas tank to
> the pump.  Maybe a clogged filter in the pump.  It starts pumping until the
> dirt gets so thick that nothing can get through.  When it rests, the dirt
> falls away.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
> 
> 
>> My MGB has been suffering from what seems to be fuel delivery problems, so
>> I
>> just attempted this test. I attached a length of spare hose to the exit of
>> the fuel filter and ran it onto an open container (a measuring cup from
>> the
>> kitchen). It was only a US pint container, so I didn't expect to be able
>> to
>> run for a full minute.
>> 
>> When switched on, it started off fast, filling about 2/3 cup in less than
>> 15
>> seconds. But then it stopped all by itself, so I switched off after 30
>> seconds.
>> 
>> If this is what it has been doing in operation, it would completely
>> explain
>> the symptoms. After driving at freeway or expressway speed for a few
>> miles,
>> the engine would sputter and lose power. After pulling over, I would hear
>> the fuel pump kick back in, and after a minute, I could accelerate away
>> smartly. In city traffic, it never had a problem, presumably because
>> sitting
>> at idle at traffic lights would give the pump a chance to catch up.
>> 
>> This is a replacement SU pump from Moss that I only installed in late
>> 2006.
>> Its predecessor failed in a similar manner, but only after at least 25 and
>> possibly 40 years.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 21:47:07 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <4B4AAD4B.9000107@comcast.net>

Norm says;

> Actually, I always found that I was able to R&R JUST the engine.  And, after
> the problem with the t.o. arm, I did that 5-times in one year.  Was able to
> do MGB engine R&R that way in 5 hours flat working alone.  And, I'm not a
> professional mechanic.


The clearance getting my engine *only* out is very close. But it's just 
no cigar. I do have to take the engine and trans out as a unit. Mind you 
as much as they relied on jigs these cars were still handmade. Like you, 
I never had much problem aligning the input shaft and spigot with the 
old setup, but I no longer have the room to take out just the engine. 
I've tried more than once. I'm also not a professional. I just do it a 
lot cause it's enjoyable and my wife knows where I am.

Glenn

-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 11 01:50:26 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:50:26 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
References: <000001ca9217$282050b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <CD9B9F8E24474D32A0C09577C5B120C9@paul>

Completely untrue, on both counts.  Whether you choose to remove the engine 
only, or both together, is entirely up to you.  Personally I'm an engine 
only man.

I have heard it is possible to remove the *gearbox* only on a 3-synch 
non-OD, which is maybe what Glenn is thinking of.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The only problem I've seen is that for engine removal, you HAVE
> to remove both as a unit. No more engine only clutch jobs. ... It has to 
> do
> with not being able to clear the spigot and getting to the
> backplate-bellhouse bolts, if I remember.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 11 02:29:28 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:29:28 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
References: <202C6FC7C3F54521967379A978DF3D8E@paul><C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<503272.24100.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7F432E831E6485992E5A49F804EAAE5@paul>

Very interesting, although *in theory* the pump should operate for many 
years with just one contact.  But maybe the twist is such that it is 
preventing even one contact closing properly.  Or maybe the MOV isn't as 
effective at quenching as the diode was, which was better than the 
capacitor, and the single working contact is burning and insulating.  The 
theory of the two is that if one burns and insulates it will still get the 
mechanical rubbing action which will eventually clean it again, but it does 
need both to make contact enough to lift both sides of the fixed contact a 
little at least.

But before removing and opening up the pump do check that you have 12v 
between the two spades on the pump, i.e. it isn't an electrical failure 
elsewhere.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Ah-ha.  If this is a points type pump a couple years old, I have some 
> detailed information that may explain this mode of failure (maybe).
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm 

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 07:33:32 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:33:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <4B4B36BC.2030105@comcast.net>

You may have missed something...

The original question was about what all it takes to put a 4-synchro 
trans in an early ('67 and older) car. I was recounting my experience. 
The setup I am talking about is a 4-synchro tranny with LH type 
overdrive in a '67 B, which after several attempts I can safely say that 
I am doomed to remove both as a unit. YMMV.

Glenn

> Subject: Re: [Mgs] B trans question
> To: <nsippel at mindspring.com>, "MG Digest" <mgs at autox.team.net>,
> 	<g.schnittke at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <CD9B9F8E24474D32A0C09577C5B120C9 at paul>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> Completely untrue, on both counts.  Whether you choose to remove the engine 
> only, or both together, is entirely up to you.  Personally I'm an engine 
> only man.
> 
> I have heard it is possible to remove the *gearbox* only on a 3-synch 
> non-OD, which is maybe what Glenn is thinking of.
> 
> PaulH.


-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon Jan 11 07:47:43 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:47:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
Message-ID: <20100111.070826.428.173342@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Max,
   Those are the same symptoms that baffled me during the autumn--the
pump would work properly for a time, then not work until power was
switched off and on, at which time it would work properly again for a
while. 
    Check its power supply, but I suspect that the fault is internal.
Cleaning the points may help.
Bob
 
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:12:46 -0800 Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> My MGB has been suffering from what seems to be fuel delivery 
> problems, so I
> just attempted this test. I attached a length of spare hose to the 
> exit of
> the fuel filter and ran it onto an open container (a measuring cup 
> from the
> kitchen). It was only a US pint container, so I didn't expect to be 
> able to
> run for a full minute.
> 
> When switched on, it started off fast, filling about 2/3 cup in less 
> than 15
> seconds. But then it stopped all by itself, so I switched off after 
> 30
> seconds.
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 11 08:15:44 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:15:44 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
References: <20100111.070826.428.173342@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <7059DB2349FE4BDBAFDC1FA19E2F0F9A@paul>

A cause of that is spiked and holed points, where the spike catches in the 
hole and keeps the solenoid energised even after it has operated and 
supposed to have opened the points.  It's one of those warnings, like when 
you have to clout it to get it to start.  Eventually, it will stop working 
altogether.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... the
> pump would work properly for a time, then not work until power was
> switched off and on, at which time it would work properly again for a
> while.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:36:12 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:36:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
In-Reply-To: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4B4B7DAC.3080309@gmail.com>

Max Heim wrote:
> My MGB has been suffering from what seems to be fuel delivery problems, so I
> just attempted this test. I attached a length of spare hose to the exit of
> the fuel filter and ran it onto an open container (a measuring cup from the
> kitchen). It was only a US pint container, so I didn't expect to be able to
> run for a full minute.
>
> When switched on, it started off fast, filling about 2/3 cup in less than 15
> seconds. But then it stopped all by itself, so I switched off after 30
> seconds.
>
> If this is what it has been doing in operation, it would completely explain
> the symptoms. After driving at freeway or expressway speed for a few miles,
> the engine would sputter and lose power. After pulling over, I would hear
> the fuel pump kick back in, and after a minute, I could accelerate away
> smartly. In city traffic, it never had a problem, presumably because sitting
> at idle at traffic lights would give the pump a chance to catch up.
>
> This is a replacement SU pump from Moss that I only installed in late 2006.
> Its predecessor failed in a similar manner, but only after at least 25 and
> possibly 40 years.
If you switch off and back on, does it start working again?

-The Roxter
--

From nsippel at mindspring.com  Mon Jan 11 13:41:55 2010
From: nsippel at mindspring.com (Norm)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
Message-ID: <005a01ca92fe$92cda6a0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Glenn:

My B was a '66 Roadster in which I swapped the old non-synchro 1st gear
4-speed for a '69 all synchro to which an overdrive was added. Sounds like
the same situation as yours.  What am I missing?

I'm really curious about what prevents an engine-only removal in your B.
The only interference I remember was with the front cross-member.  But, with
the front of the trans jacked up, or pulled up as far as it would go, it was
able to be cleared.

I had always heard that it was necessary to remove the trans with the
engine.  But, being a thick-headed German, I decided to try the engine-only
method.  Over the 10 years I had the '66 B, I probably had the engine in &
out a dozen times.

Puzzled in Palm Harbor.
Norm

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 11 13:54:28 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:54:28 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] B trans question
In-Reply-To: <005a01ca92fe$92cda6a0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <C770D004.2643E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I have the same situation, and I've done it both ways, too. But I find that
aligning the input shaft in the car is a major PITA -- I would much rather
do that on the shop floor or the engine hoist, where I have access to all
sides and can start the bolts easily. I don't see any overall advantage to
pulling just the engine, other than to avoid dealing with the tranny
crossmember bolts (admittedly, this is a pretty big consideration).

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/11/10 12:41 PM, Norm at nsippel at mindspring.com wrote:

> Glenn:
> 
> My B was a '66 Roadster in which I swapped the old non-synchro 1st gear
> 4-speed for a '69 all synchro to which an overdrive was added. Sounds like
> the same situation as yours.  What am I missing?
> 
> I'm really curious about what prevents an engine-only removal in your B.
> The only interference I remember was with the front cross-member.  But, with
> the front of the trans jacked up, or pulled up as far as it would go, it was
> able to be cleared.
> 
> I had always heard that it was necessary to remove the trans with the
> engine.  But, being a thick-headed German, I decided to try the engine-only
> method.  Over the 10 years I had the '66 B, I probably had the engine in &
> out a dozen times.
> 
> Puzzled in Palm Harbor.
> Norm

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 06:41:48 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:41:48 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
Message-ID: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>

I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm looking
for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly available
brands.  I'm looking at:



Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option.  U.S. made, with Haartz
vinyl.



Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name
recognition and a good reputation



Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins.



Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible.  Hopefully,
it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter
storage.  Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that keeps
water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those times
when I get caught out in a shower.  This is a driver, not a concours show car,
and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of other
parts that I need.





So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any experience,
positive or negative, with these tops?



TIA,



-Mike Eldred

'73 Midget

'54 MG TF

'51 Willys M-38

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 12 07:05:35 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:05:35 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1D4811F48B1A418180AB6B5DB9EB0FC0@paul>

You really do need to see an example on your style of frame (the MGB for 
example has three, which need differently tailored tops), and I appreciate 
that can be difficult.  My roadster came to me with a 'bottom of the range 
although nearly new top', and after restoration I considered replacing it 
with something more upmarket.  However having seen the dreadful fit of some 
pricey tops from so-called reputable sources - the main problem being 
insufficient width across the car so there were gaping holes above the 
drop-glasses, I didn't bother.  20 years on I still have the same top, still 
in good condition fortunately, as I dread having to take the plunge myself 
when a new one is required.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible. 
> Hopefully,
> it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter
> storage.  Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that 
> keeps
> water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those 
> times
> when I get caught out in a shower.  This is a driver, not a concours show 
> car,
> and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of 
> other
> parts that I need.

From tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 10:48:16 2010
From: tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com (Tuck Southworth)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:48:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU129-W1341C00E5D6DC2FA28A8D9BF6C0@phx.gbl>

my .02

The Robbin's is great value and no issues after 12 years.  Not so much with
Victory Bit.

> From: redscirocco at hotmail.com
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:41:48 -0500
> Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
>
> I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm looking
> for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly
available
> brands. I'm looking at:
>
>
>
> Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option. U.S. made, with Haartz
> vinyl.
>
>
>
> Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name
> recognition and a good reputation
>
>
>
> Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins.
>
>
>
> Now, like most of us, I plan to use the top as little as possible.
Hopefully,
> it will spend its summers tucked under the top boot, waiting for winter
> storage. Of course, that's not always possible, so I need a top that keeps
> water out of my new interior and doesn't look like a cheap rag for those
times
> when I get caught out in a shower. This is a driver, not a concours show
car,
> and the difference between the Ez-on and the Coventry would buy a lot of
other
> parts that I need.
>
>
>
>
>
> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any
experience,
> positive or negative, with these tops?
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> -Mike Eldred
>
> '73 Midget
>
> '54 MG TF
>
> '51 Willys M-38
>
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jan 12 13:21:06 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:21:06 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA FUEL PUMP [now MGB]
In-Reply-To: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C76FACFE.263DB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4B4CD9B2.9030901@ktc.com>

Max,

  Have you cleaned the ground connection in the trunk?  I had an 
intermittent pump in my B but the problem turned out to be a rusty 
ground connection.

  CR

From don at napanet.net  Tue Jan 12 14:32:24 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:32:24 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
Message-ID: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>

I just received latest copy of R&T magazine.  I subscribe for 
nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring.  The bright spot 
in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan.  Subject starts 
out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from 
there.  The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.

Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan

http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy







>_________________________________________________________
>
>
>Don Scott
>Calistoga CA
>2001 Miata SE BRG
>1973 MGB GT (selling)
>1962 MGA Mk II
>1967 MGB (seeking)
>
>_______________________________________________

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 15:53:34 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:53:34 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
In-Reply-To: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <C7723D6E.264D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yeah, that was pretty good.

Agree about R&T -- I get tired of reading about the latest six-figure
wundercar which only a tiny number of people will ever get to drive. And
other than Egan and the tech editor, the current writers are pretty generic.
I miss the days of Rob Walker's F1 Reports and Henry Manney's road tests.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

on 1/12/10 1:32 PM, don at don at napanet.net wrote:

> I just received latest copy of R&T magazine.  I subscribe for
> nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring.  The bright spot
> in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan.  Subject starts
> out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
> there.  The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
> 
> Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
> 
> http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> _________________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> Don Scott
>> Calistoga CA
>> 2001 Miata SE BRG
>> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
>> 1962 MGA Mk II
>> 1967 MGB (seeking)

From mjanacek at snet.net  Tue Jan 12 16:31:56 2010
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:31:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B4D066C.4070308@snet.net>

I bought an EZ-ON top about 7 years ago. Came with all snaps and hooks 
installed but I had to supply the rear hold down and header bar.
Fit was very good especially around side windows. Mine did require 
gluing to the front header bar.
The biggest fault I have with this top is it didn't come with any extra 
material which should tuck under the small blocks at each front corner 
(aids holding the front corners to the header bar). You might ask if 
that is now available.
I use a hardtop in the winter which has kept this top very serviceable 
for use in the non winter months.
Mike
'79B

Mike Eldred wrote:
> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any experience,
> positive or negative, with these tops?

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jan 12 17:19:55 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:19:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <BLU129-W1341C00E5D6DC2FA28A8D9BF6C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU129-W1341C00E5D6DC2FA28A8D9BF6C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B4D11AB.70201@ktc.com>

 I have a Robbins top on my '69 B.  When we first fitted it, on a warm 
day in the shade, we didn't make it very  tight, hoping that the later, 
inevitable, shrinkage wouldn't make it hard to put up later.  Well, it 
shrunk so that it's a pain to put up and the snap fastener straps that 
are supposed to fit to the windscreen frame don't reach (never did after 
a month).  When I erect the top now I can only get two of the lower 
lift-the-dot fasteners to engage the posts.  Fortunately, they're the 
ones at the rear corners so the thing seals up pretty well, in B terms. 
(G)  It's such a chore to put the top up that my wife won't drive the 
car by herself if the weather forecast indicates even a chance of 
rain.   Bummer, because she loves the car and drives it well.

If there are any vinyl tops out there that are better I'd like to know 
about them.

  CR



Tuck Southworth wrote:
> my .02
>
> The Robbin's is great value and no issues after 12 years.  Not so much with
> Victory Bit.

From crk at godblessthe.us  Tue Jan 12 18:01:21 2010
From: crk at godblessthe.us (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:01:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <4B4D066C.4070308@snet.net>
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
	<4B4D066C.4070308@snet.net>
Message-ID: <004901ca93eb$ec39a980$c4acfc80$@us>

I am in the middle of replacing my top as well as the other glowing downpipe
subject. I have the top on and the snaps are all located well. I am left
with the question of how to properly attach and size the top.

The back hoop on my 79 rotates front and back, and the header needs to be
attached as Mike indicates.

How do I properly locate the back hoop? How do I know the correct stretch
and attachment on the header bar? I am concerned that in this cold weather I
attach it tight but it becomes loose in the summertime.

Also, what kind of glue. I am a little frustrated with Moss. They say this
is best done by a "professional" and therefore, they don't supply any
instructions. Gee, that's nice:>{


TIA,


Clayton






-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Janacek
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:32 PM
To: MG-BBS
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.

I bought an EZ-ON top about 7 years ago. Came with all snaps and hooks 
installed but I had to supply the rear hold down and header bar.
Fit was very good especially around side windows. Mine did require 
gluing to the front header bar.
The biggest fault I have with this top is it didn't come with any extra 
material which should tuck under the small blocks at each front corner 
(aids holding the front corners to the header bar). You might ask if 
that is now available.
I use a hardtop in the winter which has kept this top very serviceable 
for use in the non winter months.
Mike
'79B

Mike Eldred wrote:
> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any
experience,
> positive or negative, with these tops?
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 17:55:31 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:55:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <4B4D11AB.70201@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <C7725A03.264E4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I'm afraid I really wouldn't blame the top -- it's probably the
installation. Sure, anybody can poke some holes, install some fasteners, and
glue the header. But knowing how much slack to allow in each area requires
experience with the materials, and those of us who install one top per
lifetime can't be expected to have it. I have a packaway top, which you
would think would be the simplest case possible, but I still had it
installed by a professional. And it fits nice and taut, with no
quarter-window wrinkles (a commonly-seen flaw). Only after 25-some years is
it starting to shrink enough that the push-the-dots are hard to do. And at
this point the vinyl is getting a little brittle. I did tear a little
stitching around the top windshield snap tab -- the tabs seemed to be just a
hair short from the get-go (though this can also be a function of the header
placement and the catch adjustment).

This is a Moss "OEM replacement type" top (not the "economy" top or the
Robbins), that has spent most of its career in a canvas bag in the boot.
Good features about this top that some others seem to lack are the rain
gutters above the side windows, and the deep flap that sits inside the side
glass for sealing.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/12/10 4:19 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins at ktc.com wrote:

>  I have a Robbins top on my '69 B.  When we first fitted it, on a warm
> day in the shade, we didn't make it very  tight, hoping that the later,
> inevitable, shrinkage wouldn't make it hard to put up later.  Well, it
> shrunk so that it's a pain to put up and the snap fastener straps that
> are supposed to fit to the windscreen frame don't reach (never did after
> a month).  When I erect the top now I can only get two of the lower
> lift-the-dot fasteners to engage the posts.  Fortunately, they're the
> ones at the rear corners so the thing seals up pretty well, in B terms.
> (G)  It's such a chore to put the top up that my wife won't drive the
> car by herself if the weather forecast indicates even a chance of
> rain.   Bummer, because she loves the car and drives it well.
> 
> If there are any vinyl tops out there that are better I'd like to know
> about them.
> 
>   CR
> 
> 
> 
> Tuck Southworth wrote:
>> my .02
>> 
>> The Robbin's is great value and no issues after 12 years.  Not so much with
>> Victory Bit.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 18:17:51 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:17:51 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <004901ca93eb$ec39a980$c4acfc80$@us>
Message-ID: <C7725F3F.264F5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

See my recent post re "professional"...

Frankly, I think you are more likely to successfully rebuild an engine the
first time, than install a top the first time.

But, good luck...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 1/12/10 5:01 PM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk at godblessthe.us wrote:

> I am in the middle of replacing my top as well as the other glowing downpipe
> subject. I have the top on and the snaps are all located well. I am left
> with the question of how to properly attach and size the top.
> 
> The back hoop on my 79 rotates front and back, and the header needs to be
> attached as Mike indicates.
> 
> How do I properly locate the back hoop? How do I know the correct stretch
> and attachment on the header bar? I am concerned that in this cold weather I
> attach it tight but it becomes loose in the summertime.
> 
> Also, what kind of glue. I am a little frustrated with Moss. They say this
> is best done by a "professional" and therefore, they don't supply any
> instructions. Gee, that's nice:>{
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> Clayton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike Janacek
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: MG-BBS
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
> 
> I bought an EZ-ON top about 7 years ago. Came with all snaps and hooks
> installed but I had to supply the rear hold down and header bar.
> Fit was very good especially around side windows. Mine did require
> gluing to the front header bar.
> The biggest fault I have with this top is it didn't come with any extra
> material which should tuck under the small blocks at each front corner
> (aids holding the front corners to the header bar). You might ask if
> that is now available.
> I use a hardtop in the winter which has kept this top very serviceable
> for use in the non winter months.
> Mike
> '79B
> 
> Mike Eldred wrote:
>> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any
> experience,
>> positive or negative, with these tops?

From crk at godblessthe.us  Tue Jan 12 18:32:19 2010
From: crk at godblessthe.us (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:32:19 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <C7725F3F.264F5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <004901ca93eb$ec39a980$c4acfc80$@us>
	<C7725F3F.264F5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <005901ca93f0$405002e0$c0f008a0$@us>

Gee, that doesn't sound very promising for the top installation.
However, given that I have an engine that needs to be rebuilt this statement
sounds promising.

C

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:18 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.

See my recent post re "professional"...

Frankly, I think you are more likely to successfully rebuild an engine the
first time, than install a top the first time.

But, good luck...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 1/12/10 5:01 PM, Clayton Kirkwood at crk at godblessthe.us wrote:

> I am in the middle of replacing my top as well as the other glowing
downpipe
> subject. I have the top on and the snaps are all located well. I am left
> with the question of how to properly attach and size the top.
> 
> The back hoop on my 79 rotates front and back, and the header needs to be
> attached as Mike indicates.
> 
> How do I properly locate the back hoop? How do I know the correct stretch
> and attachment on the header bar? I am concerned that in this cold weather
I
> attach it tight but it becomes loose in the summertime.
> 
> Also, what kind of glue. I am a little frustrated with Moss. They say this
> is best done by a "professional" and therefore, they don't supply any
> instructions. Gee, that's nice:>{
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
> Clayton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike Janacek
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: MG-BBS
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
> 
> I bought an EZ-ON top about 7 years ago. Came with all snaps and hooks
> installed but I had to supply the rear hold down and header bar.
> Fit was very good especially around side windows. Mine did require
> gluing to the front header bar.
> The biggest fault I have with this top is it didn't come with any extra
> material which should tuck under the small blocks at each front corner
> (aids holding the front corners to the header bar). You might ask if
> that is now available.
> I use a hardtop in the winter which has kept this top very serviceable
> for use in the non winter months.
> Mike
> '79B
> 
> Mike Eldred wrote:
>> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any
> experience,
>> positive or negative, with these tops?
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 21:16:48 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:16:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
In-Reply-To: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
References: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <7F1C66A9-1234-4330-B1B4-AA889251A1C2@gmail.com>

I'm "guilty" of a lot of them. #14 many times a week.

I gave up on R&T probably 10 years ago. I found, like you that Egan was the
only thing to read in it. I vowed to go to the website every month and read
his article. I get there a couple times a year.

The only one who could rival him, was Satch Carlson from the 80s Autoweeks.
Satch had a lot of problems.

On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:32 PM, don wrote:

> I just received latest copy of R&T magazine.  I subscribe for
> nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring.  The bright spot
> in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan.  Subject starts
> out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
> there.  The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
>
> Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
>
> http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 21:49:00 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:49:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
In-Reply-To: <7F1C66A9-1234-4330-B1B4-AA889251A1C2@gmail.com>
References: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>,
	<7F1C66A9-1234-4330-B1B4-AA889251A1C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W491FAEFD9F6E81F6D03E74B76B0@phx.gbl>

Satch Carlson writes for Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car now.



HSEC is a good magazine - don't let the "exotic" in the name put you off like
it did me, for many years. About 98% of the magazine is dedicated to real cars
that real people drive, just like ours.  Most of the cars they're writing
about are in the price range that working people can afford, or at least
aspire to own.  They write about micro cars, fiberglass-bodied modified cars,
unique variants, classic Japanese and European cars and, yes, once in a while
they write about one of those six-figure Italian cars.



This month's cover story was "Sports car stimulus: big fun for less than
$7,500."  Among the cars was the MGB ($4,995) and the Triumph Spitfire ($6,995
for a minty '67) and the Mazda RX7 ($3,375).



Also, check out the Hemmings Blog at http://blog.hemmings.com/

Mention my name when you suscribe for an additional zero percent off.



-Mike Eldred

Wilmington, VT.


> From: ptrmgb at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:16:48 -0600
> To: don at napanet.net
> CC: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
>
> I'm "guilty" of a lot of them. #14 many times a week.
>
> I gave up on R&T probably 10 years ago. I found, like you that Egan was the
> only thing to read in it. I vowed to go to the website every month and read
> his article. I get there a couple times a year.
>
> The only one who could rival him, was Satch Carlson from the 80s Autoweeks.
> Satch had a lot of problems.
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:32 PM, don wrote:
>
> > I just received latest copy of R&T magazine. I subscribe for
> > nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring. The bright spot
> > in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan. Subject starts
> > out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
> > there. The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
> >
> > Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
> >
> > http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From don at napanet.net  Tue Jan 12 22:06:39 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:06:39 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
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I agree- that is a great magazine.  Their sister publication devoted 
to old US cars, Hemmings Classic Car, is also a great read.  There is 
a third magazine Hemmings publishes which is devoted to muscle cars, 
but that is not my thing.  I used to buy Practical Classics, T&CC, 
Classic & Sportscar regularly, but rarely see them on US newstands 
now due to the poor US$ exchange rate.




At 08:49 PM 01/12/2010, Mike Eldred wrote:
>Satch Carlson writes for Hemmings Sports and Exotic Car now.
>
>HSEC is a good magazine - don't let the "exotic" in the name put you 
>off like it did me, for many years. About 98% of the magazine is 
>dedicated to real cars that real people drive, just like ours.  Most 
>of the cars they're writing about are in the price range that 
>working people can afford, or at least aspire to own.  They write 
>about micro cars, fiberglass-bodied modified cars, unique variants, 
>classic Japanese and European cars and, yes, once in a while they 
>write about one of those six-figure Italian cars.
>
>This month's cover story was "Sports car stimulus: big fun for less 
>than $7,500."  Among the cars was the MGB ($4,995) and the Triumph 
>Spitfire ($6,995 for a minty '67) and the Mazda RX7 ($3,375).
>
>Also, check out the Hemmings Blog at 
><http://blog.hemmings.com/>http://blog.hemmings.com/
>
>Mention my name when you suscribe for an additional zero percent off.
>
>-Mike Eldred
>Wilmington, VT.
>
> > From: ptrmgb at gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:16:48 -0600
> > To: don at napanet.net
> > CC: mgs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
> >
> > I'm "guilty" of a lot of them. #14 many times a week.
> >
> > I gave up on R&T probably 10 years ago. I found, like you that Egan was the
> > only thing to read in it. I vowed to go to the website every month and read
> > his article. I get there a couple times a year.
> >
> > The only one who could rival him, was Satch Carlson from the 80s Autoweeks.
> > Satch had a lot of problems.
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:32 PM, don wrote:
> >
> > > I just received latest copy of R&T magazine. I subscribe for
> > > nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring. The bright spot
> > > in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan. Subject starts
> > > out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
> > > there. The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
> > >
> > > Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
> > >
> > > http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Jan 12 22:19:35 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:19:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
Message-ID: <4B4D57E7.4020805@comcast.net>

I've tried Crown tops and Robbins. I've found Robbins to be a little 
more expensive, but not that much. I'm quite happy 5 years down the road 
and would happily buy another. Crown was okay, but the top bow sleeve 
withered quicker than I thought necessary. I would also recommend going 
directly to the manufacturer. You can do that. And you can get answers 
no one else can give you.

Now, to the frames. I can't vouch for the difference in the Midge 
frames, but as to the MGB frames, there are indeed three styles. All the 
adverts indicate you have to buy one type top for any frame. Not so. 
When I bought my last Robbins top I was sporting a fold down frame. I 
live in Nashville TN and it gets Gawdawful hot in August. My old '74 
Maroon had a zipout rear window. I missed it. My '67 redcar (all of them 
have been daily drivers) has a stowaway frame. Catalogs say they don't 
have a top for a stowaway frame with a zipout rear window. I took the 
top off the fold down frame and put it on the header for the stowaway 
frame and it fits just fine. And in August I can put the top up for 
protection from the sun and have the rear window down for air movement. 
Life is great and the top fits fine.

As I say, Midgets might be different, but they might not be. YMMV and it 
might help to check this aspect out with other Midge owners especially 
if it's a daily driver.

Glenn
> 

> I'm getting ready to buy a new vinyl top for my '73 Midget, and I'm looking
> for some advice on the price to value ratio of some of the commonly available
> brands.  I'm looking at:
> 
> 
> 
> Ez-on - at $200 this is the least expensive option.  U.S. made, with Haartz
> vinyl.
> 
> 
> 
> Robbins - I think VB has these on sale for $329 - a company with name
> recognition and a good reputation
> 
> 
> 
> Coventry - Also on sale, for $359 - OEM for not much more than Robbins.


-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Jan 12 22:25:45 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:25:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
In-Reply-To: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
References: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
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I thought I was a real car guy, but I only score 5 out of 30, so 
maybe I'm just a wannabe.  It was an interesting 5 though - 2, 5, 9, 23, 28,

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA wityh an attitude
http://MGAguru.com



At 01:32 PM 1/12/2010 -0800, don wrote:
>I just received latest copy of R&T magazine. ....
>
>Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
>
>http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue Jan 12 22:52:17 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:52:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
Message-ID: <4B4D5F91.8040305@comcast.net>

And now, after finally getting the digest and reading everyone else's 
posts, I have to agree with Max. Rebuilding an engine you have definite 
measurements you can go by and the engine will work fine even if you're 
blueprinting it. Putting a top on ... there's a lot that you don't know 
about how the fabric will react to weather. And no one can really give 
you facts and figures.

I got lucky on my first one. Then my second one came up.

F-A-I-L-!-!!!!!!!

The third time I made sure I had a guy who'd done a buttload of them 
with me. It's amazing what friendship and a beer will buy these days.

But plain old contact cement is what you want if you want it. Like the 
stuff you use for formica.

Glenn

-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From riverside at southslope.net  Tue Jan 12 23:44:14 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:44:14 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl><4B4D066C.4070308@snet.net>
	<004901ca93eb$ec39a980$c4acfc80$@us>
Message-ID: <018d01ca941b$d2771d90$0301a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

The rear bow centers on the rear top seam.  I use 3M super trim adhesive . 
You can adjust without recoating . I have used contact cement but could not 
adjust the material without regluing.
Ron Sanborn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <crk at godblessthe.us>
To: <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.


>I am in the middle of replacing my top as well as the other glowing 
>downpipe
> subject. I have the top on and the snaps are all located well. I am left
> with the question of how to properly attach and size the top.
>
> The back hoop on my 79 rotates front and back, and the header needs to be
> attached as Mike indicates.
>
> How do I properly locate the back hoop? How do I know the correct stretch
> and attachment on the header bar? I am concerned that in this cold weather 
> I
> attach it tight but it becomes loose in the summertime.
>
> Also, what kind of glue. I am a little frustrated with Moss. They say this
> is best done by a "professional" and therefore, they don't supply any
> instructions. Gee, that's nice:>{
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Clayton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Mike Janacek
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:32 PM
> To: MG-BBS
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
>
> I bought an EZ-ON top about 7 years ago. Came with all snaps and hooks
> installed but I had to supply the rear hold down and header bar.
> Fit was very good especially around side windows. Mine did require
> gluing to the front header bar.
> The biggest fault I have with this top is it didn't come with any extra
> material which should tuck under the small blocks at each front corner
> (aids holding the front corners to the header bar). You might ask if
> that is now available.
> I use a hardtop in the winter which has kept this top very serviceable
> for use in the non winter months.
> Mike
> '79B
>
> Mike Eldred wrote:
>> So I'm tempted to go for the Ez-on at $200 - does anyone have any
> experience,
>> positive or negative, with these tops?
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 13 01:56:55 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:56:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl><4B4D066C.4070308@snet.net>
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Message-ID: <E10927F4491143B587968DA29C438662@paul>

Never had a problem with shrink in the UK, just stretch, I had to redo mine 
after a few years.  There are normally flaps on the underside of the 
material for the rear bar, to be glued and/or sewn around it.  But I found 
that positioned the bar behind the seam so I've got a cord each side which 
pulls the rear bar into the correct position right under the seam.  If you 
look at the earlier folding roof you will see that it had canvas straps for 
precisely that reason.  Some tops come with the header rail already attached 
i.e. a new one, but I'd rather attach it myself and get the correct tension, 
common or garden spray glue with a bit of slip.  Don't know about the rear 
bar, but most people will be replacing a top, not providing one from 
scratch, so again it can come from the old top.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> How do I properly locate the back hoop? 

From Frankk12 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 04:56:30 2010
From: Frankk12 at verizon.net (Frank Krajewski)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
References: <20100112214206.0500B24DCAA@mail.napanet.net>
	<7F1C66A9-1234-4330-B1B4-AA889251A1C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <187C23423B984408AD96F5CA5229BEA3@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

Good point. I still read Satch Carlson in Hemmings Exotic and Sports Car as 
well as Egan in R&T. Exotic & Sports Cars contains far more useful and 
interesting info than does R&T, especially for those us with LBCs.
Frank Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "don" <don at napanet.net>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy


> I'm "guilty" of a lot of them. #14 many times a week.
>
> I gave up on R&T probably 10 years ago. I found, like you that Egan was 
> the
> only thing to read in it. I vowed to go to the website every month and 
> read
> his article. I get there a couple times a year.
>
> The only one who could rival him, was Satch Carlson from the 80s 
> Autoweeks.
> Satch had a lot of problems.
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:32 PM, don wrote:
>
>> I just received latest copy of R&T magazine.  I subscribe for
>> nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring.  The bright spot
>> in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan.  Subject starts
>> out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
>> there.  The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
>>
>> Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
>>
>> http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 10:54:12 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy
In-Reply-To: <7F1C66A9-1234-4330-B1B4-AA889251A1C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77348C4.2652C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I used to enjoy LJK Setright in Car magazine (another idiosyncratic
viewpoint).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/12/10 8:16 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:

> I'm "guilty" of a lot of them. #14 many times a week.
> 
> I gave up on R&T probably 10 years ago. I found, like you that Egan was the
> only thing to read in it. I vowed to go to the website every month and read
> his article. I get there a couple times a year.
> 
> The only one who could rival him, was Satch Carlson from the 80s Autoweeks.
> Satch had a lot of problems.
> 
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:32 PM, don wrote:
> 
>> I just received latest copy of R&T magazine.  I subscribe for
>> nostalgic reasons as most of the magazine is boring.  The bright spot
>> in the magazine is always the column by Peter Egan.  Subject starts
>> out on guys that change their own oil, and then goes on from
>> there.  The article is on the R&T website and worth a read.
>> 
>> Signs That You Might Be a Car Guy - Side Glances by Peter Egan
>> 
>> http://www.roadandtrack.com/column/signs-that-you-might-be-a-car-guy

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 11:38:05 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
References: <SNT124-W651210A5AA2EF9DCE79C98B76C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F9DE1017C89C4789B1605811A28F756A@Edscomputer>

Mike,

I had a Robbins top installed on my daughter's '72 MGB before her 18th 
birthday. That was over 20 years ago. Recently, I had occasion to erect it 
and clean it after a considerably lengthy period of total neglect. I had to 
use a fingernail brush and white wall cleaner to get the crud out of the 
crevices. In short: it looks like new, even the rear "glass" cleaned up 
nicely. And the fit it still perfect, even above the side window glass.

Ed Woods 

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 12:12:59 2010
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:12:59 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] LBC news
Message-ID: <mailman.6143.1263409988.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>

Hello Friends,

I try not to bother you any more since I no longer have an MG, but I thought I would share a car update with my friends. 

First of all: I'm at the hospital, in pre-op waiting for my 94 y/o mom to get a pacemaker!  We're all good there. Waiting is BORING. 

When I last wrote I was trying to find and buy another LBC. This one for my wife. Well, I was successful!  We just bought an Old English White '73 E-Type 2+2, with automatic transmission and A/C!  I don't care for automatics but Nancy doesn't drive a stick. She has named the car "Mrs. Peel".  It now keeps my TR(actor) TR3, and Italian iron company. 

I'll go back to lurking now, but I just wanted to share my new purchase with old friends. 

-rick
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 12:20:09 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] LBC news
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6143.1263409988.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.6143.1263409988.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3D046424-FFDF-4E0F-ABC7-B69CC1E8D9B0@gmail.com>

Very nice Rick.  This L in LBC is Large!

On Jan 13, 2010, at 1:12 PM, rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello Friends,
>
> I try not to bother you any more since I no longer have an MG, but I thought
I would share a car update with my friends.
>
> First of all: I'm at the hospital, in pre-op waiting for my 94 y/o mom to
get a pacemaker!  We're all good there. Waiting is BORING.
>
> When I last wrote I was trying to find and buy another LBC. This one for my
wife. Well, I was successful!  We just bought an Old English White '73 E-Type
2+2, with automatic transmission and A/C!  I don't care for automatics but
Nancy doesn't drive a stick. She has named the car "Mrs. Peel".  It now keeps
my TR(actor) TR3, and Italian iron company.
>
> I'll go back to lurking now, but I just wanted to share my new purchase with
old friends.
>
> -rick
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 19:41:22 2010
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
Message-ID: <4B4E8452.30001@comcast.net>

Now THAT'S and endorsement!

Glenn

> From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
> To: "Mike Eldred" <redscirocco at hotmail.com>
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <F9DE1017C89C4789B1605811A28F756A at Edscomputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I had a Robbins top installed on my daughter's '72 MGB before her 18th 
> birthday. That was over 20 years ago. Recently, I had occasion to erect it 
> and clean it after a considerably lengthy period of total neglect. I had to 
> use a fingernail brush and white wall cleaner to get the crud out of the 
> crevices. In short: it looks like new, even the rear "glass" cleaned up 
> nicely. And the fit it still perfect, even above the side window glass.
> 
> Ed Woods 


-- 
Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

			- Psuedolus

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan 14 06:34:56 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:34:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
Message-ID: <20100114.053546.3873.182311@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>

   I found that locating the back hoop with two pieces of string held it
in place well when top was up, and allowed the top to pack a little
tighter when it was folded down.  The adhesive I have used is vinyl
flooring adhesive. Cheap and there is about 10 minutes of easy cleanup
with water before it sets. 
   Both tops I have installed were from Moss, but so long ago I do not
remember the brand. One was perfect and I was pleased with my work. The
other fit great along the front, but I was not satisified with fit over
the door windows, and there was a wrinkle on one side of the middle
plastic window. I suspect that those were cutting/sewing matters, not of
my fitting. Both tops served well and lasted well, and, despite the gap
over the window did not leak rain. Snow, well, that came in everywhere.
Another story. 
Bob



 
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:01:21 -0800 "Clayton Kirkwood"
<crk at godblessthe.us> writes:
> I am in the middle of replacing my top as well as the other glowing 
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:48:31 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:48:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <20100114.053546.3873.182311@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>
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I have installed a few tops on MGs and never had a problem.  While there are
not definite measurements, it is a fairly easy process.
It has been years since I did one, but the way I used to do it, was to lay
the top out back side up for several hours to get the top hot and soft.
Put the header rail on the windshield (sans top of course).  Put the top
over the frame fastening the clips and lift-o-dots along the sides.  Pull
the top forward over the header rail.  Make marks where the top should fold
under with chalk.
remove the top and header rail, and attach the top so that the marks
correspond to the proper position on the rail.  DO NOT GLUE.
Erect the top and drive for a week or so with the top up.  It will stretch
and get loose.  This is OK.
Again on a hot afternoon, pull the top material forward over the header rail
and guessimate how much you need to move the top on the header rail.  Might
be 1/4"-1/2" or so  Take a sewing gauge
http://sewing.about.com/od/beginner1/ig/Sewing-Tools/Sewing-Gauges.htm (the
black one at the bottom) and mark along the material above where the header
meets the windshield by the amount that you decided the top needs to be
tightened.  undo the top from the header rail and reattach to where your new
marks are.

Rick

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Jan 14 17:12:20 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tops, hoods.
In-Reply-To: <C7725A03.264E4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C7725A03.264E4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4B4FB2E4.4020603@ktc.com>

  No one's "blaming" any thing, much less the installer.  Actually 
Elizabeth Jones, the late Fisher Jones' widow,  installed my top.  
Elizabeth has probably installed more tops than you and I have washed.  
She's a professional at tops & upholstery, although she's not doing that 
stuff any more.  When I said "we" it was more me handing her tools and 
getting in the way while she applied the craftsmanship. 

  Furthermore, some of us in clubs help install tops for other members 
as club projects.  That's one way to learn how to do it.  It's not as if 
some of us have never done it before. 

  It's a fact of life, at least in this south central TX climate, that 
vinyl tops expand and contract.   It was worse in El Paso, there the 
temperature extremes are greater.  After I put my top up and wait a 
while I can go back and get all the lift-the-dots fastened.  It relaxes 
a bit after it's erected, y'see.

  CR

 

 


Max Heim wrote:
> I'm afraid I really wouldn't blame the top -- it's probably the
> installation. Sure, anybody can poke some holes, install some fasteners, and
> glue the header. But knowing how much slack to allow in each area requires
> experience with the materials, and those of us who install one top per
> lifetime can't be expected to have it.
>
>
> on 1/12/10 4:19 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins at ktc.com wrote:

From barrie at look.ca  Sat Jan 16 10:02:13 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Evapo-rust
Message-ID: <E1NWC2x-0000OE-Ib@alpha.look.ca>

Anyone tried Evapo Rust?   I need something for my rusty car parts !!

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY 
www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies

From otis15 at aol.com  Sat Jan 16 10:39:11 2010
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:39:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  Evapo-rust
In-Reply-To: <E1NWC2x-0000OE-Ib@alpha.look.ca>
References: <E1NWC2x-0000OE-Ib@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <8CC64E9F28034BF-7E60-BBB2@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com>

Always had great results with Por-15. Never used Evapo-Rust
                                                                 Steve
                                                                 N.E. Ohio






-----Original Message-----
From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:02 am
Subject: [Mgs] Evapo-rust


Anyone tried Evapo Rust? I need something for my rusty car parts !!

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique
web site for car goodies
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Jan 16 11:32:35 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] master cylinder hone
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069AFC2A@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I am looking for a master cylinder hone as I start the rebuild of my 64B
hydraulics. Any suggestions or sources? I had one that worked on wheel
cylinders but the bore is wider so those are easy to find. The smallest I see
listed, at least at NAPA, is 7/8" and larger bores. It looks like the bore, at
least on a spare one (brake, but it looks like clutch may be similar or same)
that I have, is about >" (approximate, I used a tape measure).



David Councill

64 B

67 BGT

72 B

From peter at nosimport.com  Sat Jan 16 11:44:22 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:44:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] master cylinder hone
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069AFC2A@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069AFC2A@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <201001161045248.SM01188@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Look for "ball hones".  Look at mcmastercarr.com  but some FLAPS have them.
         Peter C
=
At 12:32 PM 1/16/2010, Councill, David wrote:
>I am looking for a master cylinder hone as I start the rebuild of my 64B
>hydraulics. Any suggestions or sources? I had one that worked on wheel
>cylinders but the bore is wider so those are easy to find. The smallest I see
>listed, at least at NAPA, is 7/8" and larger bores. It looks like the bore, at
>least on a spare one (brake, but it looks like clutch may be similar or same)
>that I have, is about >" (approximate, I used a tape measure).
>
>
>
>David Councill
>
>64 B
>
>67 BGT
>
>72 B

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 12:04:22 2010
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:04:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  Evapo-rust
In-Reply-To: <8CC64E9F28034BF-7E60-BBB2@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <407429.24041.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

They are two completeley different products. One is a paint that kills rust
and seals it. Evaporust is a liquid that 'dissolves' rust from bare metal
(toss in a rusty wrench and pull out a non rusty wrench. Very cool product,
first time I used it, I ran around looking for more rusty things to toss in
it. it is non toxic, non caustic.
Carl

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, otis15 at aol.com <otis15 at aol.com> wrote:

From: otis15 at aol.com <otis15 at aol.com>
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  Evapo-rust
To: Mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:39 PM

Always had great results with Por-15. Never used Evapo-Rust
                                                                 Steve
                                                                 N.E. Ohio






-----Original Message-----
From: Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:02 am
Subject: [Mgs] Evapo-rust


Anyone tried Evapo Rust? I need something for my rusty car parts !!

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique
web site for car goodies
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 16 11:55:25 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Evapo-rust
In-Reply-To: <E1NWC2x-0000OE-Ib@alpha.look.ca>
References: <E1NWC2x-0000OE-Ib@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <EDB3EC1DAC6345D8A33BA304FED11B00@ranteer.local>

before:     http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/datsun/DSCN3624.JPG

after:  http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/datsun/DSCN3631.JPG


excellent product.  and at one point I found a guy in nebraska?  who sold a 
5 gallon container, but it was concentrated so there was substantially less 
fluid in it.  when you got it you're supposed to top off the bucket with 
water.

I also have heard that its sold at harbor freight

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:02 AM
To: <mgb-v8 at autox.team.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Evapo-rust

> Anyone tried Evapo Rust?   I need something for my rusty car parts !!
>
> Regards
>
> Barrie Robinson
>
> 705-721-9060 (Canada)
> MGB GT V8
> Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 14:55:24 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:55:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Caroline Twist Obit
Message-ID: <80745685F7E7478FB8C14D623FC2DC52@stargate>

I don't think I saw any info on this on the list, so for those that don't
already know, here's the info and details...
May she RIP.


This will appear in the Grand Rapids Press on Sunday 1/17.



Caroline Scott Robinson, 56, of Ada, died Tuesday, Jan 12th, 2010, at home
surrounded by her family.



Caroline graduated from Forest Hills High School in 1972 and received her BS
in Business from Aquinas in 1978.  She had a lifetime passion for horseback
riding and reading.  A fiercely independent woman, she valued family greatly
and was extremely dedicated to and supportive of her four children.  She left
a brilliant impression on all she met.



For 33 years with her husband, she created, organized, managed, and directed
University Motors, a local MG sportscar business of international acclaim.



She was preceded in death by her father, Oliver Long Robinson.  She is
survived by her mother, Barbara Robinson of Cascade and step mother Joan
Robinson of Grand Rapids; and by her siblings John (Betsi) Robinson,
Greensboro NC; Mary Robinson (Tom Simmons); and Peter Robinson,  both of Grand
Rapids.



An extraordinary wife and mother of intense character, she leaves her grieving
husband of 31 years, John H Twist and four children: Mary (Chris) VanOpstal of
Wilmette, IL, J Brooks Twist, Barbara Rose Twist, and James Oliver Twist, all
of Ada.



Her legacy was her incredible strength. bDonbt let yourself get weak; you
are as strong as you stay.b



Visitation and Memorial Service

Metcalf-Jonkhoff (Cascade at I-96 Grand Rapids, MI)  www.mjfuneral.com

Visitation:                     Friday, Jan 22, 2-4 and 6-8 pm

Memorial service:         Saturday, Jan 23, 11-12 am

Reception:                    Saturday, 1-4 pm at the Hilton Hotel, 28th at
Patterson.



If you are coming from out of town, plan to stay at the Hilton.  Call Janet
for a reservation:  616 957 0100



In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in her name to the National Multiple
Sclerosis Society through Metcalf.



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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 17 13:00:19 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:00:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rust stuff
Message-ID: <E1NWbZN-0002hq-8J@beta.look.ca>

My many thanks for that welter of excellent responses o my question 
regarding rust stuff.

There seems to be two types of product.  One which covers over and 
neutralises rust and thus being an end in itself (but you can paint 
over it).  This is products like POR 15, which I have used before and 
found good) and SEM rust-mort.   The other which removes all the rust 
and then requires to be painted, like Evapo Rust.  I am going for the 
Evapo stuff.

Incidentally, I used to have my parts sandblasted (oh that hurts) and 
then powder coated.  I have found a local fellow who will come to 
wherever and sandblast using aluminium oxide or walnut shells on 
delicate things.....and then electrostatic paint them.  (He puts up a 
tent on ones drive !!) I was quite convinced by his chat on 
electrostatic painting particularly when he said he applied a 
polywhatsit-etching primer first.  The nice thing he avoids me having 
to lug parts around which is especially great with the chassis & 
body.  Price he quoted was lower than I have been used to with 
previous efforts.

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 18 10:18:09 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:18:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Brake Master Cylinder
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC><F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL><D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul><D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c><3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>

Thought I would update everyone on the brake master cylinder situation.

After 2 weekends of extremely cold weather finally got back into the garage. 
The PROBLEM was that the brand new brake master cylinder had a warped 
resevior.  Took off the brand new resevior and put on the old one.  Luckily 
I had a brake master cylinder rebuild kit here  that had new seals for the 
resevior.

Craig

From don at napanet.net  Mon Jan 18 10:37:59 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:37:59 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
Message-ID: <20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>

Too bad with all the Brit car websites there isn't a Bad Parts 
Warning Site where bad parts experiences could be entered by the 
unlucky enthusiast.  Some way to help us when purchasing so that we 
don't make the same mistake our brethren have already made.  There's 
bound to be individual rare bad parts issues, but there are other 
parts that are consistently bad and such a site might show that part 
from a particular supplier has a poor track record.

Don Scott
Calistoga
1962 MGA Mk II
1991 Miata BRG
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-65 MGB (seeking)


At 09:18 AM 01/18/2010, Craig Straub wrote:
>Thought I would update everyone on the brake master cylinder situation.
>
>After 2 weekends of extremely cold weather finally got back into the 
>garage. The PROBLEM was that the brand new brake master cylinder had 
>a warped resevior.  Took off the brand new resevior and put on the 
>old one.  Luckily I had a brake master cylinder rebuild kit 
>here  that had new seals for the resevior.
>
>Craig
>
>________________________

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jan 18 12:08:37 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:08:37 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <4B54B1B5.40204@bradakis.com>

don wrote:
> Too bad with all the Brit car websites there isn't a Bad Parts Warning 
> Site where bad parts experiences could be entered by the unlucky 
> enthusiast.  Some way to help us when purchasing so that we don't make 
> the same mistake our brethren have already made.  

When was the last time anyone here referred to 
http://www.dimebank.com/monster ?

When was the last time you submitted or updated a vender review?

Of course, when was the last time I updated MY entry on it?

Like http://www.team.net/forums, if more people used it, more people
would use it.


mjb.

From ronking at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 18 12:24:31 2010
From: ronking at sbcglobal.net (Ron King)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:24:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <021a01ca9873$dc1d01f0$945705d0$@net>

As I'm getting ready to begin my re-attempts at restoration of my '71 B
roadster, I'd be very interested in knowing of "consistently bad new parts".


Question:  Bought the Mark Evans "MGB is Reborn" DVD series, and in one of
the episodes he also complains about after-market parts quality.  His
position was if folks told suppliers they'd be willing to pay more for
better quality, the suppliers would step up to the plate.  Is the quality
problem truly a price point issue?  Seems it should be more complicated than
that, but maybe not.

Ron King
'71 MGB 


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of don
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:38 AM
To: Mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder

Too bad with all the Brit car websites there isn't a Bad Parts 
Warning Site where bad parts experiences could be entered by the 
unlucky enthusiast.  Some way to help us when purchasing so that we 
don't make the same mistake our brethren have already made.  There's 
bound to be individual rare bad parts issues, but there are other 
parts that are consistently bad and such a site might show that part 
from a particular supplier has a poor track record.

Don Scott
Calistoga
1962 MGA Mk II
1991 Miata BRG
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-65 MGB (seeking)


At 09:18 AM 01/18/2010, Craig Straub wrote:
>Thought I would update everyone on the brake master cylinder situation.
>
>After 2 weekends of extremely cold weather finally got back into the 
>garage. The PROBLEM was that the brand new brake master cylinder had 
>a warped resevior.  Took off the brand new resevior and put on the 
>old one.  Luckily I had a brake master cylinder rebuild kit 
>here  that had new seals for the resevior.
>
>Craig
>
>________________________
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 12:54:37 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:54:37 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
Message-ID: <354a8.7a6720e7.3886167d@aol.com>

Kelvin at Moss has told me that the market is VERY price conscious and that 
 if they sell something, even if it is a better part, for $1 more than the  
competition, they are sure they lose sales.
 
I buy wherever I can get the quality of part I want, but others seem to  
want the very cheapest part, presumably hoping that they will get lucky and it 
 will work (and probably bitching the loudest if it doesn't).
 
Chrome is a particular issue for me - I would pay double once rather than  
having to toss out cheap crap every 2-3 years, or (what I do) taking it from 
the  store immediately to the chromer to have the crappy plating stripped 
and do it  properly.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/18/2010 11:37:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ronking at sbcglobal.net writes:

Question:  Bought the Mark Evans "MGB is Reborn" DVD series,  and in one of
the episodes he also complains about after-market parts  quality.  His
position was if folks told suppliers they'd be willing  to pay more for
better quality, the suppliers would step up to the  plate.  Is the quality
problem truly a price point issue?  Seems  it should be more complicated 
than
that, but maybe  not.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Jan 18 13:11:01 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:11:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Brake Master Cylinder
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC><F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL><D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul><D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c><3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL><4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu><D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
Message-ID: <F4FD88384B364C31A556A90EE5346565@uw471de61b465c>

Always keep the old stuff.
There are always usable parts on it.

Cheers,

Hans - who kept his old dual MC just for...
71 BGT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Straub" <craigstraub at sbcglobal.net>
To: <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Brake Master Cylinder


> Thought I would update everyone on the brake master cylinder situation.
>
> After 2 weekends of extremely cold weather finally got back into the 
> garage. The PROBLEM was that the brand new brake master cylinder had a 
> warped resevior.  Took off the brand new resevior and put on the old one. 
> Luckily I had a brake master cylinder rebuild kit here  that had new seals 
> for the resevior.
>
> Craig

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Jan 18 13:21:49 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <E1NWyJc-0003Ow-S0@zeta.look.ca>

Don,

You made me think that perhaps I could put a list up on my British 
Car Cottage Industries web site!  (www.britcot.com).  However, 
despite a lot of compliments about its philosophy and purpose I have 
great difficulty in getting "cottagers" to list.  It is as if there 
was some huge fee and the info was used to persecute, pillage and 
ply.   So I am wondering if it is worth the effort.  I also wonder 
how many on the list have visited the site - I certainly have had 
very little input from list members.  That includes the other marque lists too.


At 12:37 PM 1/18/2010, don wrote:
>Too bad with all the Brit car websites there isn't a Bad Parts 
>Warning Site where bad parts experiences could be entered by the 
>unlucky enthusiast.  Some way to help us when purchasing so that we 
>don't make the same mistake our brethren have already made.  There's 
>bound to be individual rare bad parts issues, but there are other 
>parts that are consistently bad and such a site might show that part 
>from a particular supplier has a poor track record.
>
>Don Scott
>Calistoga
>1962 MGA Mk II
>1991 Miata BRG
>1973 MGB GT (selling)
>1963-65 MGB (seeking)
>
>
>At 09:18 AM 01/18/2010, Craig Straub wrote:
>>Thought I would update everyone on the brake master cylinder situation.
>>
>>After 2 weekends of extremely cold weather finally got back into 
>>the garage. The PROBLEM was that the brand new brake master 
>>cylinder had a warped resevior.  Took off the brand new resevior 
>>and put on the old one.  Luckily I had a brake master cylinder 
>>rebuild kit here  that had new seals for the resevior.
>>
>>Craig
>>
>>________________________
>
>_______________________________________________
>
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Jan 18 13:35:06 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <4B54B1B5.40204@bradakis.com>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
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	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
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Mark,

You are right !  Such service already exists....but here is the 
problem....we (us, the enthusiasts) are just not aware of such 
places, services, etc.  Maybe what we need is a monster list of what 
is out there - a massive undertaking - it would be like a 
dictionary.  Just too enormous to contemplate.



At 02:08 PM 1/18/2010, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>don wrote:
>>Too bad with all the Brit car websites there isn't a Bad Parts 
>>Warning Site where bad parts experiences could be entered by the 
>>unlucky enthusiast.  Some way to help us when purchasing so that we 
>>don't make the same mistake our brethren have already made.
>
>When was the last time anyone here referred to 
>http://www.dimebank.com/monster ?
>
>When was the last time you submitted or updated a vender review?
>
>Of course, when was the last time I updated MY entry on it?
>
>Like http://www.team.net/forums, if more people used it, more people
>would use it.
>
>
>mjb.
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From barrie at look.ca  Mon Jan 18 13:54:46 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:54:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <354a8.7a6720e7.3886167d@aol.com>
References: <354a8.7a6720e7.3886167d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1NWydF-0008Fc-DR@eta.look.ca>

I have also had correspondence on cheap parts - Problem is that it is 
a North American syndrome to buy the cheapest available - the 
corollary being "quantity over quality".  There are many instances of 
products not being sold in NA because they are more expensive - the 
fact that they last 10 times longer matters not.  I buy aircraft 
grade stuff now as well as from Europe - and it works out cheaper in 
the long run.  One example is Dinitrol, a rust protective goop which 
is consistently rated miles above all others - used extensively in 
Europe for cars.  Not sold in NA because it is roughly 50% more 
expensive than the Zeibart, Krown, etc stuff - so no sales.  BUT 
guess what ?  it is used by all the US aircraft companies.  My buddy, 
a helicopter maintenance manager, says they use it all the time and 
it is fantastic.  I bought some from the US subsiduary company that 
sells it to aircraft people only, but had to buy a case (24 pressured 
cans) - after much pleading.

This why I buy US, UK or German made tools which do not have the 
"Made in China" label - More expansive but worth it





At 02:54 PM 1/18/2010, wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>Kelvin at Moss has told me that the market is VERY price conscious and that
>  if they sell something, even if it is a better part, for $1 more than the
>competition, they are sure they lose sales.
>
>I buy wherever I can get the quality of part I want, but others seem to
>want the very cheapest part, presumably hoping that they will get 
>lucky and it
>  will work (and probably bitching the loudest if it doesn't).
>
>Chrome is a particular issue for me - I would pay double once rather than
>having to toss out cheap crap every 2-3 years, or (what I do) taking it from
>the  store immediately to the chromer to have the crappy plating stripped
>and do it  properly.
>
>Bill
>
>
>In a message dated 1/18/2010 11:37:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>ronking at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>Question:  Bought the Mark Evans "MGB is Reborn" DVD series,  and in one of
>the episodes he also complains about after-market parts  quality.  His
>position was if folks told suppliers they'd be willing  to pay more for
>better quality, the suppliers would step up to the  plate.  Is the quality
>problem truly a price point issue?  Seems  it should be more complicated
>than
>that, but maybe  not.
>
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 18 14:30:13 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT124-W443376C10C533D63099E82B7660@phx.gbl>

I would gladly pay more for better quality, but the problem is that you often
pay more for the same quality, and that's one thing I hate to do.
Price is no indication of quality, unfortunately.  But since we can't
physically inspect all the suppliers' wares, price is about the only thing
we're left with.

Except, that is, for the list.  And this is where I thank everyone for their
replies and advice regarding new tops.
I ordered the EZ Top, by the way. I decided that, with decent care and limited
use, it will last as well as any of the other manufacturer's tops.  We'll see
how it goes.
I will let everyone know how "EZ" it is when I install it myself this summer.

Cheers,
Mike Eldred
'73 MG Midget
'54 MG TF


> From: wspohn4 at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:54:37 -0500
> To: ronking at sbcglobal.net; Mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
>
> Kelvin at Moss has told me that the market is VERY price conscious and that
> if they sell something, even if it is a better part, for $1 more than the
> competition, they are sure they lose sales.
>
> I buy wherever I can get the quality of part I want, but others seem to
> want the very cheapest part, presumably hoping that they will get lucky and
it
> will work (and probably bitching the loudest if it doesn't).
>
> Chrome is a particular issue for me - I would pay double once rather than
> having to toss out cheap crap every 2-3 years, or (what I do) taking it from
> the store immediately to the chromer to have the crappy plating stripped
> and do it properly.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 1/18/2010 11:37:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> ronking at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Question: Bought the Mark Evans "MGB is Reborn" DVD series, and in one of
> the episodes he also complains about after-market parts quality. His
> position was if folks told suppliers they'd be willing to pay more for
> better quality, the suppliers would step up to the plate. Is the quality
> problem truly a price point issue? Seems it should be more complicated
> than
> that, but maybe not.

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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:01:46 2010
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:01:46 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <E1NWydF-0008Fc-DR@eta.look.ca>
References: <354a8.7a6720e7.3886167d@aol.com> <E1NWydF-0008Fc-DR@eta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <9f2527521001181401g2466005ahb16b8fdd7f86ebb2@mail.gmail.com>

I guess the problem with being willing to pay for quantity is:  How do I
know that this part, from this supplier, that is 10% more expensive, is any
better quality than the alternative?  How do I know it's not sourced from
exactly the same place, but with a higher mark-up?  Particularly when things
are bought at a distance over the internet.

If I KNEW it was better quality, I'd pay more for it.  The cynic in me
always wins out and tells me it's the same part, priced higher.  So I go for
the cheaper supplier.

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:30:49 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:30:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <9f2527521001181401g2466005ahb16b8fdd7f86ebb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <354a8.7a6720e7.3886167d@aol.com> <E1NWydF-0008Fc-DR@eta.look.ca>,
	<9f2527521001181401g2466005ahb16b8fdd7f86ebb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W46A354378F0D73A3A711B5B7660@phx.gbl>

When buying parts for my older vehicles - particularly for the TF and my '51
Willys, I'll often opt for reconditioned parts.  Cheaper, and (usually) better
quality than reproduction parts.  You get original quality cores that are
often reconditioned by shops here in the U.S.A. using quality parts, for less
cost than inferior repros from India or, in the case of the Jeep, the
Philippines.



Of course, not all repro parts are the same, either.  Some are U.S. made, some
are quality imports.



But the point is, sometimes cheaper is better.



Just thought I'd add to the confusion.



-Mike




> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:01:46 +0000
> From: rbgosling at googlemail.com
> To: Mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
>
> I guess the problem with being willing to pay for quantity is: How do I
> know that this part, from this supplier, that is 10% more expensive, is any
> better quality than the alternative? How do I know it's not sourced from
> exactly the same place, but with a higher mark-up? Particularly when things
> are bought at a distance over the internet.
>
> If I KNEW it was better quality, I'd pay more for it. The cynic in me
> always wins out and tells me it's the same part, priced higher. So I go for
> the cheaper supplier.
>
> Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
>
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From maine2me at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 17:37:14 2010
From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:37:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Anyone on the list have an A? 
I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the list.

Cheers!
Dan

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 18:58:38 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:58:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <380434.65435.qm@web112101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Dan Dwelley <maine2me at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Anyone on the list have an A? 
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious
> about other A owners on the list.

At times this seems like an MGB list; in fact many posters
here seem to assume in their Subject: line that it is an
MGB list.  However, there are many MGA owners here including
me.  If you'd like to take a look at the restoration of my
MGA, you can go to:

http://www.tildebang.com/mg/

And click on "The MGA Restoration Project."

Where are you located?

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 18:59:44 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:59:44 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <40f3c.3b786c9a.38866c10@aol.com>

You bet.
 
1600 Mk 2 Deluxe coupe
Twin Cam race car
Jamaican rebodied 1956 MGA
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 18/01/2010 4:40:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
maine2me at yahoo.com writes:

Anyone  on the list have an A? 
I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was  curious about other A 
owners on the list.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 19:00:44 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:00:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B55124C.3040000@gmail.com>

Dan Dwelley wrote:
> Anyone on the list have an A? 
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the list.
Not now. I sold the A I was restoring. I raced one in the 60's and still remember most of the tech stuff.

-The Roxter
--

From strovato at optonline.net  Mon Jan 18 19:03:22 2010
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:03:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KWH00F1I1SAZC90@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I do.  Mine is a 1500 too, registered as a 58.  I also have a ZA 
Magnette.  Pleasant as the folks are here, there are also MGA 
specific forums that can be very helpful.  Check out:
www.mgcars.org.uk
www.mgexperience.net
Where are you located?  I am in Putnam Valley, NY, about 50 miles 
north of New York City.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net


At 07:37 PM 1/18/2010, Dan Dwelley wrote:
>Anyone on the list have an A?
>I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about 
>other A owners on the list.

From hardt at sonic.net  Mon Jan 18 20:09:56 2010
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:09:56 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B552284.7070204@sonic.net>

I think there are lots of MGA owners here. I've had mine for more than
20 years. It's a daily driver when it's not raining. Fortunately it
doesn't rain all that often here although we are in the mddle of a wet,
wet, WET week.

Ron
58 MGA
North Bay British Carclub

Dan Dwelley wrote:

> Anyone on the list have an A? 
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the list.
> 
> Cheers!
> Dan

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Mon Jan 18 20:09:58 2010
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8281505EA94E406F9C80F16787DFB65F@RickPC>

I have a 61 MGA Roadster as well as a 73 Mini 1000

Rick
 Webmaster for:
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG 
Registers
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register
  http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts
  http://www.britishcarclub.net -  Nature Coast English Car Club and The 
Suncoast Classic MG Club
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Dwelley" <maine2me at yahoo.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 19:37
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?


> Anyone on the list have an A?
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A 
> owners on the list.
>
> Cheers!
> Dan

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 18 20:22:14 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:22:14 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B552566.5000707@cox.net>

Dan Dwelley wrote:
> Anyone on the list have an A? 
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the list.
>   
Count me among the former MGA owners. I have only a few regrets in my 
life and one of them is selling my 1962, 1600 MkII. I would dearly love 
to find another one.

I still remember a fair amount of the tech stuff, so fire away.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 20:55:34 2010
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:55:34 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40b437201001181955r68a3ae39q5386770a3a536147@mail.gmail.com>

Me too!

57 MGA (1500).

Simon

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Dan Dwelley <maine2me at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone on the list have an A?
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the list.
>
> Cheers!
> Dan

From don at napanet.net  Mon Jan 18 21:11:52 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:11:52 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] 1967 car show
Message-ID: <20100119042302.3315724BA67@mail.napanet.net>

1967 Motor Show in Paris:  http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=44937

Panning L/S the Triumph range of cars on show. M/S the new Triumph 
TR5 with fuel injection system. C/U the engine of the TR5. Various 
shots the Citroen DS with headlights moving. M/S MGB GT on revolving 
stand. C/U ditto, pan to cutaway engine. M/S the NSU RO 80. C/U 
ditto. C/U the Wankel engine. C/U pan Autobianchi, old style sports 
car. M/S ditto. C/U Mini Austin Cooper. M/S the Mini. C/U as the door 
opens and girl in the passenger seat picks up telephone in car door. 
C/U the girl speaking into the telephone.



A Canadian friend just sent this to me and I did a little searching 
and found the video of the Paris show of 1967.  There is a treasure 
here for British car nuts and Anglophiles:

>http://www.britishpathe.com/index.php
>
>This site is highly recommended for viewing, but beware, it is very 
>addictive.  It shows thousands of the 1-3 minute films that we used 
>to see at the cinema in long ago times.  The films are mainly of the 
>1920s to 1960s with a few from earlier years.




Don Scott
Calistoga
1962 MGA Mk II
1991 Miata BRG
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-65 MGB (seeking)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 19 03:40:09 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:40:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC><F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL><D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul><D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c><3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL><4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu><D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c><25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL><20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
	<021a01ca9873$dc1d01f0$945705d0$@net>
Message-ID: <284CFF24B4D947F4A23500604D54169E@paul>

Dunno about anywhere else but in the UK price seems to be the only thing 
people care about in a large swathe of life.  But then we have the label 
culture where people will spend a fortune on fashion garments just to be 
seen carrying the label.  Although maybe that is just wimmin.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ...  Is the quality problem truly a price point issue? 

From mlambdin at towson.edu  Tue Jan 19 04:57:13 2010
From: mlambdin at towson.edu (Lambdin, Mike)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:57:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6547B7B3FD05A946BD7B10537B38AC08014B35D904A8@OAK.towson.edu>

Add me to the list, Dan.

I own a '59, 1500 coupe and have driving it for the past 35 years.

Mike Lambdin
Office of Technology Services
Towson University
8000 York Road
Towson, MD 21252-0001
tel: 410-704-2780
fax: 410-704-4361
-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Dan Dwelley
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:37 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?

Anyone on the list have an A?
I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners
on the list.

Cheers!
Dan
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From Frankk12 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 19 05:08:09 2010
From: Frankk12 at verizon.net (Frank Krajewski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fw:  MGA owners?
Message-ID: <AFAC2F43A0354004BDB0C11485CF67A3@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Krajewski" <Frankk12 at verizon.net>
To: "Dan Dwelley" <maine2me at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA owners?


> Dan: I have a 58 A that's been languishing in the corner of my shop for 20 
> years.
> Frank
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Dwelley" <maine2me at yahoo.com>
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:37 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
>
>
>> Anyone on the list have an A?
>> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A 
>> owners on the list.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Dan
>>
>> _______________________________________________

From shaws at mlcltd.com  Tue Jan 19 05:42:08 2010
From: shaws at mlcltd.com (Bob Shaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:42:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] interior for a B
In-Reply-To: <8281505EA94E406F9C80F16787DFB65F@RickPC>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8281505EA94E406F9C80F16787DFB65F@RickPC>
Message-ID: <3D215096-D5D5-4386-A2DA-AAD34FCCFC62@mlcltd.com>

>> I am in the process of redoing a '63 B. I once had a '63 B with a  
>> navy interior that had light blue piping. Anyone know of someone  
>> making such an interior?
>
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My MGA is NOT leaking - merely marking it's territory!

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 06:08:38 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:08:38 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <1a25.41775d9b.388708d6@aol.com>

Well done!
 
I've owned one of my MGAs since 1970 - 40 years!  Of course I got it  when 
I was a mere lad....but that does make me feel old!
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 19/01/2010 4:06:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mlambdin at towson.edu writes:

Add me  to the list, Dan.

I own a '59, 1500 coupe and have driving it for the  past 35 years.

From guinness at stclegal.com  Tue Jan 19 07:13:35 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:13:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs]  MGA owners
Message-ID: <4B55BE0F.6010605@stclegal.com>

I have a 1961 MGA 1600 with a 1963 3 main MGB engine (while the original 
engine awaits me to rebuild it).  We are in Northeast Missouri.

It offers constant surprises (thanks to the DPO) and joy (thanks to this 
list and Barney Gaylord's website www.mgaguru.com).

-- 
Robert Guinness

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 07:28:18 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:28:18 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners
Message-ID: <3601.5f22910f.38871b82@aol.com>

Robert - my advice would be to keep the 3 main MGB (which is also what I  
use in my Mk 2). better engine, more power and it looks right!
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 19/01/2010 6:20:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
guinness at stclegal.com writes:

I have a  1961 MGA 1600 with a 1963 3 main MGB engine (while the original 
engine  awaits me to rebuild it).  

From guinness at stclegal.com  Tue Jan 19 07:39:09 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:39:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs]  MGA owners?
Message-ID: <4B55C40D.3090100@stclegal.com>

Following up on Don Scott's mention of the highly addictive British 
Pathe site, here is an excellent film on the MGA's development including 
the Twin Cam.  It mentions the available options for the MGA and the 
original price (1,000 pounds).  My favorite shot is the 1 to 2 inch gap 
between the side curtains and the windshield shown when the MGA is 
driven around a test track..

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=78530
-- 
Robert Guinness

From barrie at look.ca  Tue Jan 19 09:27:08 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:27:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <284CFF24B4D947F4A23500604D54169E@paul>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
	<021a01ca9873$dc1d01f0$945705d0$@net>
	<284CFF24B4D947F4A23500604D54169E@paul>
Message-ID: <E1NXHIq-0001uD-Sh@iota.look.ca>

Paul,

I know this is off subject but I just had to tell it.  Some friends 
returned from the Far East.  They visited a factory where the owner 
proudly showed them a line where they were making those Louis Vuitton 
handbags which sell for hundreds if not thousands..  He said they 
could buy one at his retail price.  So they did - $150 for two !!!!




At 05:40 AM 1/19/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Dunno about anywhere else but in the UK price seems to be the only 
>thing people care about in a large swathe of life.  But then we have 
>the label culture where people will spend a fortune on fashion 
>garments just to be seen carrying the label.  Although maybe that is 
>just wimmin.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>...  Is the quality problem truly a price point issue?
>
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From battanhr at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 10:05:04 2010
From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:05:04 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7112.1263899030.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7112.1263899030.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <313E4FAB44C04FE792C3F19B00CCFF20@xps410>

Hi Dan. Yes, I've got an A. It's a 1957 (according to the title and 
registration) that I have had since 1975.  I used it as a daily driver for 
years. I cleaned it up and resprayed it (red, of course) an about 1983 or 
so. Right now its out in the shop for a more thorough refurbishing to get 
rid of the rusty bits and to repaint. Engine (a 1600) and transmission have 
both been overhauled by a professional in Tacoma, WA.

The interesting thing about this car is that it has the Dunlop disk brakes 
and Twin Cam pegged knock-off wheels. I didn't realize this at the time I 
bought it, but I sure do like the disk brakes!

I'm hoping to get it back on the road by this summer/fall. In the meantime I 
have a '79 B and a '54 1250 TF to drive.

I'm sure you'll get lots of responses from other A-owners, too . I know 
there are a lot of them on this list.

Howard
Anacortes, WA

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:37:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Dwelley <maine2me at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <913219.31682.qm at web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Anyone on the list have an A?
> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A 
> owners on the list.
>
> Cheers!
> Dan

From jello at cableone.net  Tue Jan 19 10:08:10 2010
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:08:10 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners
Message-ID: <2311.1263920890@cableone.net>

/j6ZmxR: Permission denied

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 10:23:40 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:23:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fw:  MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <AFAC2F43A0354004BDB0C11485CF67A3@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
References: <AFAC2F43A0354004BDB0C11485CF67A3@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
Message-ID: <626C77B3-B47D-4756-9F6B-B74354D17609@tampabay.rr.com>

Put me down for a 1960 A Coupe owned for over 30 years!
Dave Houser

On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Krajewski" <Frankk12 at verizon.net 
> >
> To: "Dan Dwelley" <maine2me at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA owners?
>
>
>> Dan: I have a 58 A that's been languishing in the corner of my shop  
>> for 20 years.
>> Frank
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Dwelley" <maine2me at yahoo.com>
>> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:37 PM
>> Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone on the list have an A?
>>> I'm in the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about  
>>> other A owners on the list.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 10:25:52 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:25:52 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <94d8.4fc7ef49.38874520@aol.com>

I suspect that car came from Vancouver - I know the guy that removed the  
suspension from a Twin Cam - and the guy that now owns the Twin Cam and would 
 love to get the suspension back.  Don't worry, I won't tell him where you  
are... ;-)
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:08:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
battanhr at comcast.net writes:

The  interesting thing about this car is that it has the Dunlop disk brakes 
and  Twin Cam pegged knock-off wheels. I didn't realize this at the time I  
bought it, but I sure do like the disk  brakes!

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 10:46:55 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:46:55 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <94d8.4fc7ef49.38874520@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C77B300F.266E6%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I thought a lot of the later As were equipped like this (after the TC was
cancelled)... They called it the  "Deluxe".


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/19/10 9:25 AM, wspohn4 at aol.com at wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> I suspect that car came from Vancouver - I know the guy that removed the
> suspension from a Twin Cam - and the guy that now owns the Twin Cam and would
>  love to get the suspension back.  Don't worry, I won't tell him where you
> are... ;-)
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:08:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> battanhr at comcast.net writes:
> 
> The  interesting thing about this car is that it has the Dunlop disk brakes
> and  Twin Cam pegged knock-off wheels. I didn't realize this at the time I
> bought it, but I sure do like the disk  brakes!

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 10:57:08 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:57:08 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <a57b.1c6bf691.38874c74@aol.com>

Not 'a lot' - only 395 of them.
And they were only built in 1961 and 1962.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:51:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

I  thought a lot of the later As were equipped like this (after the TC  was
cancelled)... They called it the   "Deluxe".

From thgun at comporium.net  Tue Jan 19 11:10:15 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (thgun at comporium.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:10:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] points
Message-ID: <20100119131015.EAN95503@ms1.comporium.net>

I would like to buy a set of points local today. What would be a correct set to buy at Auto Zone?
Tom
1957 MGA 1500 rst.

From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Tue Jan 19 11:10:27 2010
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:10:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7195.1263923262.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7195.1263923262.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F4DCEF663C0043F2B9CDAE9797A87A22@EricJRussellPC>

I've got a 1600 Roadster. My first car. Bought it in in 1971. Still got it 
(well, all the parts that when reassembled are it).

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell
----- Original Message ----- 

> Anyone on the list have an A?

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 19 11:23:42 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Membership/e-mail
Message-ID: <4B55F8AE.40204@bradakis.com>

A subscriber on another list asked this question, I figured that the
answer might be helpful to some folks on other lists.

mjb.

> I would like to suspend myself from receiving list e-mail for an undefined
> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?
 

1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the 
mailman/listinfo one.

2.  In the subscriber section, enter your email address and list 
password.

3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
    your list password.

4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled
   'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.

5.  Click on the password reminder button.

6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
    your newly arrived password.

7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.

8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.

9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'

10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
      you would click on the 'enable' button.


On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email 
address.  You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work
address, and set only one of them to enable.  Having the other address
subscribed will keep messages you send from that address from getting
bounced as non-member spam, but you won't get multiple copies of each
list message.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 11:35:28 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:35:28 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <a57b.1c6bf691.38874c74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C77B3B70.266F9%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, that's a lot <g>. What I meant was, he seemed to think it was a
one-off, and I was thinking it was a Deluxe --- rare, but not unique.

on 1/19/10 9:57 AM, wspohn4 at aol.com at wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Not 'a lot' - only 395 of them.
> And they were only built in 1961 and 1962.
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 9:51:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> I  thought a lot of the later As were equipped like this (after the TC  was
> cancelled)... They called it the   "Deluxe".
> 
> 

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 11:45:01 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:45:01 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Membership/e-mail
In-Reply-To: <4B55F8AE.40204@bradakis.com>
References: <4B55F8AE.40204@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <068E31F3-1A8A-486E-BE16-E9958554CC7A@gmail.com>

Great tip, Mark!

Thanks.

On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> A subscriber on another list asked this question, I figured that the
> answer might be helpful to some folks on other lists.
>
> mjb.
>
>> I would like to suspend myself from receiving list e-mail for an undefined
>> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?
>
> 1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the mailman/listinfo
one.
>
> 2.  In the subscriber section, enter your email address and list password.
>
> 3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
>   your list password.
>
> 4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box
labeled
>  'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.
>
> 5.  Click on the password reminder button.
>
> 6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
>   your newly arrived password.
>
> 7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.
>
> 8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.
>
> 9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'
>
> 10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
>     you would click on the 'enable' button.
>
>
> On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email
address.  You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work
> address, and set only one of them to enable.  Having the other address
> subscribed will keep messages you send from that address from getting
> bounced as non-member spam, but you won't get multiple copies of each
> list message.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs
>
> http://www.team.net/archive

From mgaluvr at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 11:45:50 2010
From: mgaluvr at aol.com (mgaluvr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:45:50 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners....
Message-ID: <b9e6.74f240c5.388757de@aol.com>

Count me in too...I have a 62 MKII roadster. Olde English White with tan  
leather. Its got a rebuilt 63 MGB engine (3 main bearing)....Burl Walnut  
dash...Mahogany steering wheel from a 67MGBGT Special. I love the car....but  
just don't drive it as often as I should. 
 
Bill in Missouri
 
Put me down for a 79 "B" roadster too....

From guinness at stclegal.com  Tue Jan 19 12:47:19 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs]  points
Message-ID: <4B560C47.8010806@stclegal.com>

A Duralast point set with part #LU7 would be it (according to the 
Autozone computer).  I have used NAPA as well, part #ATM 1411004.  
According to Barney Gaylord, these points with the red rubbing blocks 
may not me as heat resistant as the ones with the phenolic rubbing 
block.  NAPA has a one year warranty.  NFI//
-- 
Robert Guinness

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 12:52:03 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:52:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <94d8.4fc7ef49.38874520@aol.com>
Message-ID: <763403.84235.qm@web112119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, wspohn4 at aol.com <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:

> I suspect that car came from
> Vancouver - I know the guy that removed the  
> suspension from a Twin Cam - and the guy that now owns the
> Twin Cam and would 
>  love to get the suspension back. 

Jeez Louise!  Why would anybody do that?!?  The value
lost to the Twin Cam would more than offset the value
gained to the counterfeit Deluxe.  Call me an Evil
Purist, but I'm starting to wonder if there are any
original MGAs left.

From otis15 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 13:09:32 2010
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:   points
In-Reply-To: <4B560C47.8010806@stclegal.com>
References: <4B560C47.8010806@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <8CC675A72AD7D0D-3850-2C54@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

Always had good luck with points from NAPA, but auto zone's are probable just
as good and maybe a doller or so cheaper.
                                                                             
          Steve
                                                                             
           N.E. ohio






-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J. Guinness <guinness at stclegal.com>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>; thgun at comporium.net
Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:47 am
Subject: [Mgs] points


A Duralast point set with part #LU7 would be it (according to the Autozone
computer). I have used NAPA as well, part #ATM 1411004. According to Barney
Gaylord, these points with the red rubbing blocks may not me as heat resistant
as the ones with the phenolic rubbing block. NAPA has a one year warranty.
NFI//
-- Robert Guinness
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 14:31:27 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:31:27 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <11176.e3a8755.38877eaf@aol.com>

Because the guy with the Twin Cam wanted wire wheels.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 11:53:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
david_breneman at yahoo.com writes:

Jeez  Louise!  Why would anybody do that?!?  The value
lost to the Twin  Cam would more than offset the value
gained to the counterfeit  Deluxe.  Call me an Evil
Purist, but I'm starting to wonder if there  are any
original MGAs  left.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 14:43:00 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:43:00 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <11176.e3a8755.38877eaf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C77B6764.26721%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

???

Um, center-lock wire wheels are certainly available...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/19/10 1:31 PM, wspohn4 at aol.com at wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Because the guy with the Twin Cam wanted wire wheels.
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 11:53:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> david_breneman at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> Jeez  Louise!  Why would anybody do that?!?  The value
> lost to the Twin  Cam would more than offset the value
> gained to the counterfeit  Deluxe.  Call me an Evil
> Purist, but I'm starting to wonder if there  are any
> original MGAs  left.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 14:57:58 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:57:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <11176.e3a8755.38877eaf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <344946.86285.qm@web112107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, wspohn4 at aol.com <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:

> Because the guy with the Twin Cam wanted wire wheels.

Wow.  I'm speechless.

From maine2me at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 15:03:02 2010
From: maine2me at yahoo.com (Dan Dwelley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <913219.31682.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <421311.13369.qm@web114119.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone for the responses!

Some of you I remember from years
ago(on the list).

I'm sure I'll have questions. Maybe even some answers.

I'm
just starting my build. I bought 5 MGAs this past July. Not a barn
find....more of an under the pine trees out back of the barn find.
I've been
after these cars for a long time and the owner finally decided she wanted them
gone. Most are missing parts and have the typical frame and panel issues.

I
guess like most of you...I'm a glutton for punishment....CAUSE IT'S SO MUCH
FUN!!!

Dan


----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Dwelley
<maine2me at yahoo.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010
7:37:14 PM
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?

Anyone on the list have an A? 
I'm in
the process of restoring a '56 MGA and was curious about other A owners on the
list.

Cheers!
Dan

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From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 15:06:17 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:06:17 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <122e1.7006886f.388786d9@aol.com>

Yes, and to fit them to a Twin Cam requires you to completely change the  
suspension.
 
Twin Can Dunlop wheels are not spline drive nor are they interchangeable  
with wire wheels.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 1:53:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

???

Um, center-lock wire wheels are certainly  available...

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 19 15:07:32 2010
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Scam t or Legit?
Message-ID: <EA347717A52F47428FC56E0E6A604A49@frankdcczr6l6k>

I am in a quandry and wonder if the list can offer any advice. In the recent
spate of postings on here regarding MGAs I posted that I have a 1958 that has
been sitting in the corner of my shop for over years. I have owned this car
from almost new and purchased it from the original owner in Nevada a very long
time ago. I immediately received an offer to buy it from someone who must
monitor our list. His list name is the Classic Trader and he is in England.
Any one have any  experience or knowledge of Marco, the Classic Trader?  I
have read of so many scams regarding overseas buyers that I am a bit
apprehensive.
Frank Krajewski

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 15:14:37 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:14:37 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <1269f.75ed6689.388788cd@aol.com>

And he was gormless, IMHO, but I guess I can't fault the guy that did the  
swap - the 'customer' wanted it and he did what was asked, however silly and 
ill  advised.
 
We might similarly characterize a swap of a Twin Cam engine for s pushrod  
one, but that was done not infrequently back in the days before people had  
figured out how to keep the DOHC engine working well.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 2:08:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
david_breneman at yahoo.com writes:

>  Because the guy with the Twin Cam wanted wire wheels.

Wow.  I'm  speechless.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 15:21:35 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:21:35 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <122e1.7006886f.388786d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C77B706F.26734%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Oh, yeah, that's right -- they have some kind of hex or octagon "spline".
Makes you wonder what they were thinking at the time? Sure, the twin cam was
more powerful, but Jaguars and Ferraris managed to get by with splined
wheels.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/19/10 2:06 PM, wspohn4 at aol.com at wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Yes, and to fit them to a Twin Cam requires you to completely change the
> suspension.
>  
> Twin Can Dunlop wheels are not spline drive nor are they interchangeable
> with wire wheels.
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/19/2010 1:53:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> ???
> 
> Um, center-lock wire wheels are certainly  available...

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 16:00:48 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:00:48 EST
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
Message-ID: <13a4a.32cb1542.388793a0@aol.com>

As a matter of fact the peg drive used on the Twin Cams was a fast change  
feature for race cars - theoretically better than the spline drive wire 
wheels  because they wouldn't jam in the pits when you were swapping wheels.  It 
 was a method Dunlop developed for use on the D type Jags, and was also 
used on  BRMs and Gordon Keebles, but not much else.  Now very expensive and 
hard to  find.
 
For pictures see _http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/wheel.jpg_ 
(http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/wheel.jpg) 
 
I have them on both my race car and my street coupe and they work very  
well.
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 2:53:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

Oh,  yeah, that's right -- they have some kind of hex or octagon "spline".
Makes  you wonder what they were thinking at the time? Sure, the twin cam 
was
more  powerful, but Jaguars and Ferraris managed to get by with  splined
wheels.

From crk at godblessthe.us  Tue Jan 19 16:06:47 2010
From: crk at godblessthe.us (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:06:47 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners?
In-Reply-To: <F4DCEF663C0043F2B9CDAE9797A87A22@EricJRussellPC>
References: <mailman.7195.1263923262.4175.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<F4DCEF663C0043F2B9CDAE9797A87A22@EricJRussellPC>
Message-ID: <000001ca995c$16129d00$4237d700$@us>

I have a 62 A II deluxe and a 79 B.
CRK



> Anyone on the list have an A?
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 17:04:59 2010
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:04:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA owners
In-Reply-To: <849969837.13306881263945896245.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1336099560.13306931263945899096.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

me too! 
59 MGA 
Glacier blue. 
W.W. 
sacrilegious Overdrive 
balanced 56 motor 
more great stuff that would only make other MGA owners jealous. ;-) 
Eric 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 20 02:26:14 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:26:14 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
	<021a01ca9873$dc1d01f0$945705d0$@net>
	<284CFF24B4D947F4A23500604D54169E@paul>
	<E1NXHIq-0001uD-Sh@iota.look.ca>
Message-ID: <2818D2F3BA3241F08BB736996C769D75@paul>

It's where we Brits have always gone wrong.  An acquaintance of the then
owner of Jensen (Aston?) asked if he could have a car at cost price (i.e.
what it cost to make with no profit for the company) and the owner replied
"Well I could do old boy, but I'd have to charge you more than anyone else".
Ditto the original Mini, which is claimed always to have made a loss,
although in that case it probably did originally but I doubt it still did
during the rampant wage and price inflation of the 70s and later.

Although Burberry bucked that trend with their check pattern.  It was so 
popular it was a target for Far Eastern fakes, and chavs used to leave the 
price ticket on so people could see they had bought the real thing at full 
price.

Anyone puzzled by the term 'chav' could read this 
http://www.antisocialbehaviour.org.uk/dictionary/c.php.  Or then again not.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>...  They visited a factory where the owner proudly showed them a line
>where they were making those Louis Vuitton handbags which sell for hundreds
>if not thousands..  He said they could buy one at his retail price.  So
>they did - $150 for two !!!!

From bighealey at charter.net  Wed Jan 20 07:02:16 2010
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:02:16 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings
Message-ID: <688E5FD7EA034446AD4427FA39C115F1@TRACY>

Where can I get double row bearings for the MGA rear axle carriers?

 

Warm Regards,

 

Tracy Drummond

 

PMP | ITIL Service Manager | CISSP | bighealey at charter.net | 408-394-3444
cell | 408-776-0133 home | http://www.linkedin.com/in/tracydrummond

From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net  Wed Jan 20 08:58:30 2010
From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (sdesalvo at frontiernet.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
Message-ID: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?
Sam

From thgun at comporium.net  Wed Jan 20 09:39:19 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Points
Message-ID: <46C56F6B-F14B-468F-A5EF-A5FBF3D2B42D@comporium.net>

Can someone give me the part number for points for my 1957 MGA 1500  
rst NAPA
Tom

Sent from my iPhone

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 20 09:33:08 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:33:08 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
References: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <7D99A376E92E4FDC9F0B3DB30A22E56C@paul>

Saying where in the world you are might help ...

----- Original Message ----- 

> Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Jan 20 12:37:30 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:37:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <688E5FD7EA034446AD4427FA39C115F1@TRACY>
References: <688E5FD7EA034446AD4427FA39C115F1@TRACY>
Message-ID: <405954.70816.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Funny question.  Any of the common Brit car parts suppliers have them.

Alternatively, any local bearing supply house.  They won't know the 
car application, so don't tell them what it's for.  Just give them 
the numbers off the side of the bearing races, and they wil likely 
get one within 24 hours (if not off the local shelf).  If you were 
curious in advance you can likely use the internet to look up cross 
reference numbers from multiple manufacturers.

Or maybe I misinterpret your question.  The outboard hub bearing is 
double row, but the differential carrier bearing is not.  Original 
design is very robust, so no reason to switch to anything non-standard.


At 06:02 AM 1/20/2010 -0800, Tracy Drummond wrote:
>Where can I get double row bearings for the MGA rear axle carriers?
>....

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Jan 20 11:41:02 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
In-Reply-To: <2818D2F3BA3241F08BB736996C769D75@paul>
References: <97A3F60B0BE0401A98807D8097755F0D@TOMPC>
	<F83E8E30C3994CD7B638D11270EC4872@DELL>
	<D691D475A92F47DA889665F69EDA4550@paul>
	<D090C13C7CFD4F99B40950CDC128216D@uw471de61b465c>
	<3F256C0402844E19B80273933FD60DE9@DELL>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D444@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D495C5F337684BCAA11BF780DB605FE9@uw471de61b465c>
	<25EAC01F3A0A4114BE13728DA42E250E@DELL>
	<20100118174851.02F5024DD1C@mail.napanet.net>
	<021a01ca9873$dc1d01f0$945705d0$@net>
	<284CFF24B4D947F4A23500604D54169E@paul>
	<E1NXHIq-0001uD-Sh@iota.look.ca>
	<2818D2F3BA3241F08BB736996C769D75@paul>
Message-ID: <E1NXgbD-0002im-GG@eta.look.ca>

Paul,

I believe the original credit for the "at cost" scenario was given to 
David Brown and his Aston Martin product.  The Mini, I believe, lost 
money not on its build costs but on the added burden of second 
sourcing of parts necessitated by union actions such as strikes.  Now 
the sons of those stalwart English car labourers work for Nissan, 
Toyota, Honda and the like !!!!


At 04:26 AM 1/20/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>It's where we Brits have always gone wrong.  An acquaintance of the then
>owner of Jensen (Aston?) asked if he could have a car at cost price (i.e.
>what it cost to make with no profit for the company) and the owner replied
>"Well I could do old boy, but I'd have to charge you more than anyone else".
>Ditto the original Mini, which is claimed always to have made a loss,
>although in that case it probably did originally but I doubt it still did
>during the rampant wage and price inflation of the 70s and later.
>
>Although Burberry bucked that trend with their check pattern.  It 
>was so popular it was a target for Far Eastern fakes, and chavs used 
>to leave the price ticket on so people could see they had bought the 
>real thing at full price.
>
>Anyone puzzled by the term 'chav' could read this 
>http://www.antisocialbehaviour.org.uk/dictionary/c.php.  Or then again not.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>...  They visited a factory where the owner proudly showed them a line
>>where they were making those Louis Vuitton handbags which sell for hundreds
>>if not thousands..  He said they could buy one at his retail price.  So
>>they did - $150 for two !!!!
>

Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
(705) 721-9060 

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Jan 20 15:37:15 2010
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:07:15 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <4B57859B.1070400@erickson.on.net>

sdesalvo at frontiernet.net wrote:
> Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?
> Sam
>   
I bumped into one around the corner from my place a couple of year's 
ago.  Primrose, 1968, wire wheels (looked exactly the same as my '68 
when I bought it).

He was selling it CHEAP but I didn't have the cash and suggested it to 
someone else who bought it to sell at a profit.

It sat in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want 
an automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a 
woman who wanted the sports look without the actual "sports").

I can't remember when it actually went but I have a strange feeling the 
ripped the auto out of it .

In other words, no, but I am not sure what the market would be for them 
or how many actually exist so you could be in for a bit of a hunt.



Eric

From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net  Wed Jan 20 16:08:01 2010
From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (sdesalvo at frontiernet.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:08:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <7D99A376E92E4FDC9F0B3DB30A22E56C@paul>
Message-ID: <1075404899.2070291264028881716.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

I neglected to say I am in the USA and would only consider a US location. Sorry about that.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net, mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:33:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

Saying where in the world you are might help ...

----- Original Message ----- 

> Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 20 16:43:00 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:43:00 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <4B57859B.1070400@erickson.on.net>
References: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
	<4B57859B.1070400@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <10AAEAF32FCB41E398D24A752B9429FB@HomePC>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric Erickson" <eric at erickson.on.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:37 PM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

<Clip>


It sat in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want
an automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a
woman who wanted the sports look without the actual "sports").

<Clip>

Eric

_______________________________________________

Eric, It could be for an amputee who still loves sports cars but can't drive 
a stick anymore.  Although, it is more likely that you are right that it is 
more about image than anything.  You would be surprised at the number of 
Corvettes here in the states that are sold with automatics.   I have heard 
that they outnumber sticks, but don't know if that is true.

Larry Daniels

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 16:46:39 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:46:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Scam t or Legit?
In-Reply-To: <EA347717A52F47428FC56E0E6A604A49@frankdcczr6l6k>
References: <EA347717A52F47428FC56E0E6A604A49@frankdcczr6l6k>
Message-ID: <4B5795DF.2010402@gmail.com>

frankk12 at verizon.net wrote:
> I am in a quandry and wonder if the list can offer any advice. In the recent
> spate of postings on here regarding MGAs I posted that I have a 1958 that has
> been sitting in the corner of my shop for over years. I have owned this car
> from almost new and purchased it from the original owner in Nevada a very long
> time ago. I immediately received an offer to buy it from someone who must
> monitor our list. His list name is the Classic Trader and he is in England.
> Any one have any  experience or knowledge of Marco, the Classic Trader?  I
> have read of so many scams regarding overseas buyers that I am a bit
> apprehensive.
For good reason. My ex just got her computer stolen by some SOB in Nigeria. She had not asked me, unfortunately.

Even if the money is in your bank, they still have ways of removing it. Anyway, I'm guessing somebody here will pay your price if you want to sell it.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 17:08:58 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:08:58 EST
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
Message-ID: <16f80.6c38cf7b.3888f51a@aol.com>

It somewhat dismays me that modern sports cars such as the Solstice are  
sold with more automatics than manual shift!  For whatever reason, Miatas  are 
the opposite way.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2010 3:59:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes:

It sat  in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want
an  automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a
woman  who wanted the sports look without the actual  "sports").

From bighealey at charter.net  Wed Jan 20 17:34:11 2010
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:34:11 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <405954.70816.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01E1E4B27EE84A958F94765437E72175@TRACY>

Barney,

More specifically the application is a MGA race car.  This is intended to
reduce axle breaks.  We broke one at Thunder hill last race of the season. I
already got my answer which is to just go with the carriers and bearings and
have them matched at a bearing house.  I just thought one of the MG speed
shops might already have the things sized or the racers through experience
and track time.

The MGA and Elva guys all said they use a double row.

Thanks again

Warm Regards,

Tracy Drummond

PMP | ITIL Service Manager | CISSP | bighealey at charter.net | 408-394-3444
cell | 408-776-0133 home | http://www.linkedin.com/in/tracydrummond

-----Original Message-----
From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg at mgaguru.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Tracy Drummond; Mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings

Funny question.  Any of the common Brit car parts suppliers have them.

Alternatively, any local bearing supply house.  They won't know the
car application, so don't tell them what it's for.  Just give them
the numbers off the side of the bearing races, and they wil likely
get one within 24 hours (if not off the local shelf).  If you were
curious in advance you can likely use the internet to look up cross
reference numbers from multiple manufacturers.

Or maybe I misinterpret your question.  The outboard hub bearing is
double row, but the differential carrier bearing is not.  Original
design is very robust, so no reason to switch to anything non-standard.


At 06:02 AM 1/20/2010 -0800, Tracy Drummond wrote:
>Where can I get double row bearings for the MGA rear axle carriers?
>....

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 20 17:56:11 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:56:11 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <16f80.6c38cf7b.3888f51a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C77CE62B.26801%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Part of it has to do with engine displacement.

A 1600cc engine with an automatic would be perceived as gutless by almost
anyone. But a 6000cc V8 has plenty of oommph, even with a slushbox. The
trend to huge HP numbers in heavier and heavier cars makes these automatics,
semi-automatics and paddle-shifts more palatable.

What alarms me is that some high performance cars no longer offer
traditional manual shifts even as an option. Paddles... meh.

But then, what am I worried about? I will never be able to afford these
exotics -- and by the time they have enough miles to drop into my price
range, all their electronics will be obsolete and unrepairable, and they'll
be "cash for clunkers" fodder. While I continue driving my MG into its
second half-century...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/20/10 4:08 PM, wspohn4 at aol.com at wspohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> It somewhat dismays me that modern sports cars such as the Solstice are
> sold with more automatics than manual shift!  For whatever reason, Miatas  are
> the opposite way.
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/20/2010 3:59:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> ladaniels at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> It sat  in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want
> an  automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a
> woman  who wanted the sports look without the actual  "sports").

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Jan 20 18:14:22 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:14:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings
In-Reply-To: <01E1E4B27EE84A958F94765437E72175@TRACY>
References: <01E1E4B27EE84A958F94765437E72175@TRACY>
Message-ID: <4B57AA6E.4070405@justbrits.com>

<< The MGA and Elva guys all said they use a double row. >>

So do Spridgeteers, Tracy !!

Ed

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Jan 20 18:17:42 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:17:42 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <16f80.6c38cf7b.3888f51a@aol.com>
References: <16f80.6c38cf7b.3888f51a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B57AB36.1000907@justbrits.com>

<<For whatever reason, Miatas are the opposite way. >>

Can you say "soccer moms that want out of SUVs
& into "great" little sports cars with convertible
roofs which are ALWAYS driven with the side
windows UP.", Bill <G> !!

After all, "can't" muss the "do" now, can we ??
<VBF> !!!

Ed

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 20 18:31:08 2010
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:31:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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Very true Max,
My first new car was a '69 Plymouth Roadrunner.  383 ci V8.  I opted for 
the Torqueflite.  I knew too many people that spent more time replacing 
clutches than driving their 4-speed Roadrunners. 

And on the subject of electronics, I remember one of those made-for-TV 
movies about the after math of a nuclear bomb.  The EMP from the blast 
fried all the microchips.  The hero ended up saving the world driving an 
old British sportscar - don't remember what kind.  Now there is a good 
reason not to convert to Pertronix :). 

Charles Hill

Max Heim wrote:
> Part of it has to do with engine displacement.
>
> A 1600cc engine with an automatic would be perceived as gutless by almost
> anyone. But a 6000cc V8 has plenty of oommph, even with a slushbox. The
> trend to huge HP numbers in heavier and heavier cars makes these automatics,
> semi-automatics and paddle-shifts more palatable.
>
> What alarms me is that some high performance cars no longer offer
> traditional manual shifts even as an option. Paddles... meh.
>
> But then, what am I worried about? I will never be able to afford these
> exotics -- and by the time they have enough miles to drop into my price
> range, all their electronics will be obsolete and unrepairable, and they'll
> be "cash for clunkers" fodder. While I continue driving my MG into its
> second half-century...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Wed Jan 20 18:38:43 2010
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:38:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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The new Automatics in Vettes are putting out better track times than the
standards were...
Nothing but calf workout and replacing a clutch to having a standard 6 speed
anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Eric Erickson; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric Erickson" <eric at erickson.on.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:37 PM
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

<Clip>


It sat in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want
an automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a
woman who wanted the sports look without the actual "sports").

<Clip>

Eric

_______________________________________________

Eric, It could be for an amputee who still loves sports cars but can't drive

a stick anymore.  Although, it is more likely that you are right that it is 
more about image than anything.  You would be surprised at the number of 
Corvettes here in the states that are sold with automatics.   I have heard 
that they outnumber sticks, but don't know if that is true.

Larry Daniels

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 18:45:03 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:45:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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Eric Erickson wrote:
> sdesalvo at frontiernet.net wrote:
>> Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?
>> Sam
>>   
> I bumped into one around the corner from my place a couple of year's 
> ago.  Primrose, 1968, wire wheels (looked exactly the same as my '68 
> when I bought it).
>
> He was selling it CHEAP but I didn't have the cash and suggested it to 
> someone else who bought it to sell at a profit.
>
> It sat in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would 
> want an automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell 
> (probably to a woman who wanted the sports look without the actual 
> "sports").
>
> I can't remember when it actually went but I have a strange feeling 
> the ripped the auto out of it .
>
> In other words, no, but I am not sure what the market would be for 
> them or how many actually exist so you could be in for a bit of a hunt. 
Set up an automatic search on ebay and maybe one on google. This has worked for em in the past.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 19:58:23 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:58:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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The book Alas Babylon, they used a Model T.

On Jan 20, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Charles Hill wrote:

> Very true Max,
> My first new car was a '69 Plymouth Roadrunner.  383 ci V8.  I opted for the
Torqueflite.  I knew too many people that spent more time replacing clutches
than driving their 4-speed Roadrunners.
> And on the subject of electronics, I remember one of those made-for-TV
movies about the after math of a nuclear bomb.  The EMP from the blast fried
all the microchips.  The hero ended up saving the world driving an old British
sportscar - don't remember what kind.  Now there is a good reason not to
convert to Pertronix :).
> Charles Hill
>
> Max Heim wrote:
>> Part of it has to do with engine displacement.
>>
>> A 1600cc engine with an automatic would be perceived as gutless by almost
>> anyone. But a 6000cc V8 has plenty of oommph, even with a slushbox. The
>> trend to huge HP numbers in heavier and heavier cars makes these
automatics,
>> semi-automatics and paddle-shifts more palatable.
>>
>> What alarms me is that some high performance cars no longer offer
>> traditional manual shifts even as an option. Paddles... meh.
>>
>> But then, what am I worried about? I will never be able to afford these
>> exotics -- and by the time they have enough miles to drop into my price
>> range, all their electronics will be obsolete and unrepairable, and
they'll
>> be "cash for clunkers" fodder. While I continue driving my MG into its
>> second half-century...
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 21:11:16 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:11:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Chad Cooper <mgb72 at airmail.net> wrote:

> The new Automatics in Vettes are
> putting out better track times than the
> standards were...
> Nothing but calf workout and replacing a clutch to having a
> standard 6 speed anymore.

As always, American car companies confuse sports cars
with drag racers.  There's more to a car than straight-
line accelleration.  A true sports car is a balanced
machine that can be *driven* with gusto no matter
what its horsepower.  MG understood this.  Mazda seems
to. But Chevrolet is making midlife crisis hyper-Eldorados
for the white shoe and belt set with which to impress
their friends at the country club.  If I was going to
spend that kind of money for a car, I'd want to be able
to *drive* it, not just steer it around a little.

And yes, I think that German car sompanies like BMW
and Mercedes are getting away from the concept of 
drivers' cars with their emphasis on paddle-shifted
automatic transmissions (a position that many
European buyers seem to agree with).

That said, it's nice that an American car company
can still make the most affordable mega-car in the
world.  It's just a shame that so few buyers of those
cars can appreciate what a gift they are wasting 
with the same transmission that goes into a schoolbus.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Jan 20 22:35:41 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:35:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Double row axle bearings
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I recon this is outside of my area of experience, as I have never had 
a failed bearing anywhere in the rear axle when running standard or 
slightly upgraded engines.  I presume you are saying the differential 
carrier bearings will sometimes fail when subject to racing 
conditions with a high output engine?  And that the double row 
bearing is intended to upgrade the power throughput capacity of the 
differential?  If so, I would like to know the part number and/or 
specifications of the double row bearing, as I would be happy to post 
this information on my web site.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com


At 04:34 PM 1/20/2010 -0800, Tracy Drummond wrote:
>....
>More specifically the application is a MGA race car.  This is intended to
>reduce axle breaks.  .... I just thought one of the MG speed
>shops might already have the things sized or the racers through experience
>and track time.
>
>The MGA and Elva guys all said they use a double row.
>....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg at mgaguru.com]
>....
>Or maybe I misinterpret your question.  The outboard hub bearing is
>double row, but the differential carrier bearing is not.  Original
>design is very robust, so no reason to switch to anything non-standard.
>
>
>At 06:02 AM 1/20/2010 -0800, Tracy Drummond wrote:
> >Where can I get double row bearings for the MGA rear axle carriers?
> >....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 01:57:06 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:57:06 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
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That version is new to me.  The Mini was designed and launched in the late 
50s, years before the problems of strikes.  The way I heard it Ford looked 
at the car closely at launch and reckoned it cost more to make than its 
selling price, which BL denied.  Whether it was or not, it made good 
knocking copy so Ford put the story round anyway, and it was converted years 
later by the inevitable knockers to 'it never made a profit'.  Strikes 
affected all car production of course not just the Mini.  I'm sure there 
were strikes at suppliers from time to time, but the biggest problem by far 
was production strikes, which rendered second sourcing irrelevant.  The 
hypothetical sons of Red Robbo and his ilk do indeed work at Nissan, Honda 
and Toyota, but they certainly don't carry on in the same way, those 
factories are up there with the most productive in the world.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ...  The Mini, I believe, lost money not on its build costs but on the 
> added burden of second sourcing of parts necessitated by union actions 
> such as strikes.  Now the sons of those stalwart English car labourers 
> work for Nissan, Toyota, Honda and the like !!!!

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 21 02:28:09 2010
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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Back to the auto MGB...

There weren't that many autos made in the first place.  Although even fewer
people now would want an auto MGB than did 40 years ago, I'd have thought
their rarity value would balance out the inherent undesirablility of an auto
to your typical LBC enthusiast.  So I doubt they are worth any less, and it
would be a shame to rip the auto out and destroy the originality of a pretty
rare version (unless of course the box or torque converter were not working
nor easily repaired).

Still, it does mean they are not easy to find if that is what you want...

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 03:01:48 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:01:48 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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They used the Borg Warner type 35 which are/were very common, so maybe even 
that isn't a problem - enough of one to warrant destroying one anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... (unless of course the box or torque converter were not working
> nor easily repaired).

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 07:50:09 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:50:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Richard Gosling <rbgosling at googlemail.com> wrote:

>  So I doubt they are
> worth any less, and it
> would be a shame to rip the auto out and destroy the
> originality of a pretty
> rare version (unless of course the box or torque converter
> were not working nor easily repaired).

I agree.  It would be a shame to destroy a rare
variant just for expediency of getting a standard
transmission.

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 21 08:12:53 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:12:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bad parts / Brake Master Cylinder
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Folks,

I have bitter experience of British strikes of the 50s - thus my 
gnarled comments.  As importers of British products in the Far East 
we got so impacted by British strikes (dockers, auto parts suppliers, 
auto manufacturers, engineering manufactures) that we looked 
elsewhere and guess who steeped into the breach?   You guessed 
it!  Germany.   The taste continued into the mid 50s when I handled 
LandRovers and BSA motorcycles into Borneo.

Anyway, enough of this - I am back at looking into making 
polyurethane bushes (SilentBloc) for my current restoration project - 
so I will send out a separate call for help !



At 03:57 AM 1/21/2010, Paul Hunt wrote:
>That version is new to me.  The Mini was designed and launched in 
>the late 50s, years before the problems of strikes.  The way I heard 
>it Ford looked at the car closely at launch and reckoned it cost 
>more to make than its selling price, which BL denied.  Whether it 
>was or not, it made good knocking copy so Ford put the story round 
>anyway, and it was converted years later by the inevitable knockers 
>to 'it never made a profit'.  Strikes affected all car production of 
>course not just the Mini.  I'm sure there were strikes at suppliers 
>from time to time, but the biggest problem by far was production 
>strikes, which rendered second sourcing irrelevant.  The 
>hypothetical sons of Red Robbo and his ilk do indeed work at Nissan, 
>Honda and Toyota, but they certainly don't carry on in the same way, 
>those factories are up there with the most productive in the world.
>
>PaulH.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>...  The Mini, I believe, lost money not on its build costs but on 
>>the added burden of second sourcing of parts necessitated by union 
>>actions such as strikes.  Now the sons of those stalwart English 
>>car labourers work for Nissan, Toyota, Honda and the like !!!!
>
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
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>01/20/10 19:18:00

Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 21 07:45:20 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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The Corvette is a sports car ???


At 06:43 PM 1/20/2010, Larry Daniels wrote:
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Eric Erickson" <eric at erickson.on.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:37 PM
>To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted
>
><Clip>
>
>
>It sat in the showroom for a very long time - I wondered who would want
>an automatic sports car but he was certain it would sell (probably to a
>woman who wanted the sports look without the actual "sports").
>
><Clip>
>
>Eric
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>Eric, It could be for an amputee who still loves sports cars but can't drive
>a stick anymore.  Although, it is more likely that you are right that it is
>more about image than anything.  You would be surprised at the number of
>Corvettes here in the states that are sold with automatics.   I have heard
>that they outnumber sticks, but don't know if that is true.
>
>Larry Daniels
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
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Regards

Barrie
(705) 721-9060 

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 21 08:25:39 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Polyurethane bushes
Message-ID: <E1NXzVw-0003sr-Ls@beta.look.ca>

Old Brit cars used SilentBloc bushings for suspension, steering and, 
in my case, body to chassis.  I need new ones and I can only find 
very expensive replacements.  Does anyone have experience of making 
their own bushings or know of an outfit that could make a small 
quantity?   They do not seem very hard to make requiring a simple 
mould and pouring in polyurethane liquid

Regards

Barrie Robinson

705-721-9060 (Canada)
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm            TRY 
www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 09:41:49 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:41:49 EST
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
Message-ID: <8993.6cb0ec87.3889ddcd@aol.com>

Actually yes.
 
But there is a segment of the buying public that also mistakes a two ton  
would be pony car like the Camaro for a sports car. That I just do not  get!
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 8:30:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
barrie at look.ca writes:

The  Corvette is a sports car ???

From awhitema at panix.com  Thu Jan 21 10:06:15 2010
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Barrie Robinson wrote:

> The Corvette is a sports car ???

I haven't driven one, but I understand, "yes, very much so."  GM moved 
their racing team from GT1 to GT2, so the Corvette will compete in the
same class as the 911 at LeMans[1].   Previously, they were much faster.


[1]: it need not be mentioned here that LeMans is a Real Race, not one
that just involves turning left for hours.

-- 
Aaron Whiteman
Pullman, Washington

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 21 14:58:17 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:58:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
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Ettore Bugatti once opined that Bentleys were the world's fastest 
trucks - this distinction now goes to Corvettes - My driving 
experience of them forces me to agree with Ettore


At 12:06 PM 1/21/2010, Aaron Whiteman wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Barrie Robinson wrote:
>
>>The Corvette is a sports car ???
>
>I haven't driven one, but I understand, "yes, very much so."  GM 
>moved their racing team from GT1 to GT2, so the Corvette will compete in the
>same class as the 911 at LeMans[1].   Previously, they were much faster.
>
>
>[1]: it need not be mentioned here that LeMans is a Real Race, not one
>that just involves turning left for hours.
>
>--
>Aaron Whiteman
>Pullman, Washington
>
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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Thu Jan 21 16:11:02 2010
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:11:02 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <567427.90435.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000001ca9a3a$779dee60$66d9cb20$@net>
	<567427.90435.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401ca9aef$0062b2d0$01281870$@net>

I was just referencing the efficiency of the new automatics, track time was
just an example.  Autos used to be sluggish and needed more engine to make
up for the weight.  The gearhead argument used to always be that the autos
were slow and lacked power and a real muscle car had to have a manual
transmission.  The auto transmissions have improved greatly in strength and
efficiency.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David Breneman
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:11 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Chad Cooper <mgb72 at airmail.net> wrote:

> The new Automatics in Vettes are
> putting out better track times than the
> standards were...
> Nothing but calf workout and replacing a clutch to having a
> standard 6 speed anymore.

As always, American car companies confuse sports cars
with drag racers.  There's more to a car than straight-
line accelleration.  A true sports car is a balanced
machine that can be *driven* with gusto no matter
what its horsepower.  MG understood this.  Mazda seems
to. But Chevrolet is making midlife crisis hyper-Eldorados
for the white shoe and belt set with which to impress
their friends at the country club.  If I was going to
spend that kind of money for a car, I'd want to be able
to *drive* it, not just steer it around a little.

And yes, I think that German car sompanies like BMW
and Mercedes are getting away from the concept of 
drivers' cars with their emphasis on paddle-shifted
automatic transmissions (a position that many
European buyers seem to agree with).

That said, it's nice that an American car company
can still make the most affordable mega-car in the
world.  It's just a shame that so few buyers of those
cars can appreciate what a gift they are wasting 
with the same transmission that goes into a schoolbus.

From wspohn4 at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 16:35:03 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:35:03 EST
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
Message-ID: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>

But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting  in 
the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a big 
 no-no.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/21/2010 3:31:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mgb72 at airmail.net writes:

I was  just referencing the efficiency of the new automatics, track time was
just  an example.  Autos used to be sluggish and needed more engine to  make
up for the weight.  The gearhead argument used to always be that  the autos
were slow and lacked power and a real muscle car had to have a  manual
transmission.  The auto transmissions have improved greatly in  strength and
efficiency.

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 17:18:10 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:18:10 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>

::: snerk:::
Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars>Today's modern computer
controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of the
days of yore.
Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than you
do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.
Rick

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:

> But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting  in
> the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a
> big
>  no-no.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 18:24:56 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:24:56 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <002401ca9aef$0062b2d0$01281870$@net>
References: <000001ca9a3a$779dee60$66d9cb20$@net>
	<567427.90435.qm@web112111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<002401ca9aef$0062b2d0$01281870$@net>
Message-ID: <4B58FE68.5030200@gmail.com>

Chad Cooper wrote:
> I was just referencing the efficiency of the new automatics, track time was
> just an example.  Autos used to be sluggish and needed more engine to make
> up for the weight.  The gearhead argument used to always be that the autos
> were slow and lacked power and a real muscle car had to have a manual
> transmission.  The auto transmissions have improved greatly in strength and
> efficiency.
I attended a Japanese Car manufacturer's competition day in 2004. I'm an expert Mini racer, so I figured I would be able to drive their front-wheel drive cars well. I was wrong. The action of the auto transmission was so delayed it was very hard to drive them. I'm used to the instant action of a standard. It was necessary to shift way early in order to be on time with changes. I hated that.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 21 22:07:40 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:07:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Any East Coast Skiers?
Message-ID: <SNT124-W4895EAE367B50305ABF81EB7620@phx.gbl>

It may seem like an odd off-topic question, but are there any listers who will
be skiing at Mount Snow, VT, this winter?  I have two complimentary lift
tickets available that I would like to offer to the first lister who will
arrange to pick them up from me here in Vermont.  No blackout dates, no
strings, I just want to promote the Mount Snow area to fellow LBC'ers.  Please
email me off-list for details.



Cheers,

-Mike Eldred

'54 MG TF

'71 Midget

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From wspohn4 at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 22:24:59 2010
From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:24:59 EST
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
Message-ID: <1e364.489b2fea.388a90ab@aol.com>

Try one, Richard. I have. Like I said not much good for road racing.
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 21/01/2010 4:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
richard.ewald at gmail.com writes:

Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars _http://en.wik
ipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars) 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars) Today's modern computer  
controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of the  
days of yore.
Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than  
you do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task  better.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 21 09:59:55 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:59:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Polyurethane bushes
References: <E1NXzVw-0003sr-Ls@beta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <B9BC84A726B54E7489D3A00803822FC5@paul>

MGOC has the Silentbloc bushes for the MGB rear springs at a paltry #2.95. 
This site 
http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/pf-allparts.phtml?Category=/andre+hartford+shock+absorber/ 
has other sizes for 10-12 quid.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Old Brit cars used SilentBloc bushings for suspension, steering and, in my 
> case, body to chassis.  I need new ones and I can only find very expensive 
> replacements. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 22 01:57:29 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:57:29 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
	<a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A87059468FE49A8ADA499D61B032CF9@paul>

Rubbish, it can't see what's ahead.  Any half-decent driver will anticipate 
and react accordingly before the event, a computer can only react after the 
event has started happening.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than 
> you
> do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 05:21:49 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:21:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Polyurethane bushes
In-Reply-To: <B9BC84A726B54E7489D3A00803822FC5@paul>
References: <E1NXzVw-0003sr-Ls@beta.look.ca>
	<B9BC84A726B54E7489D3A00803822FC5@paul>
Message-ID: <1FFFA933-2A91-4E94-BA61-62035C8B05B1@gmail.com>

I think Barrie is working on his Aston Martin Db2/4.

On Jan 21, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> MGOC has the Silentbloc bushes for the MGB rear springs at a paltry #2.95.
This site
http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/pf-allparts.phtml?Category=/andre+hartford+s
hock+absorber/ has other sizes for 10-12 quid.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Old Brit cars used SilentBloc bushings for suspension, steering and, in my
case, body to chassis.  I need new ones and I can only find very expensive
replacements.
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 22 08:01:00 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:01:00 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Polyurethane bushes
References: <E1NXzVw-0003sr-Ls@beta.look.ca>
	<B9BC84A726B54E7489D3A00803822FC5@paul>
	<1FFFA933-2A91-4E94-BA61-62035C8B05B1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFF4745495DF41A58DAD3C653F9F42AA@paul>

I realised it probably wasn't an MGB, but he may have been able to do 
something with the sizes, and they didn't seem that expensive to me.

----- Original Message ----- 
I think Barrie is working on his Aston Martin Db2/4.

> MGOC has the Silentbloc bushes for the MGB rear springs at a paltry #2.95. 
> This site 
> http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/pf-allparts.phtml?Category=/andre+hartford+shock+absorber/ 
> has other sizes for 10-12 quid.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Old Brit cars used SilentBloc bushings for suspension, steering and, in 
>> my case, body to chassis.  I need new ones and I can only find very 
>> expensive replacements.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 09:36:43 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:36:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Polyurethane bushes
In-Reply-To: <FFF4745495DF41A58DAD3C653F9F42AA@paul>
References: <E1NXzVw-0003sr-Ls@beta.look.ca>
	<B9BC84A726B54E7489D3A00803822FC5@paul>
	<1FFFA933-2A91-4E94-BA61-62035C8B05B1@gmail.com>
	<FFF4745495DF41A58DAD3C653F9F42AA@paul>
Message-ID: <063519F8-5F4F-4A4B-B2D1-8B20EC570A10@gmail.com>

True.

On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> I realised it probably wasn't an MGB, but he may have been able to do
something with the sizes, and they didn't seem that expensive to me.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- I think Barrie is working on his Aston Martin
Db2/4.
>
>> MGOC has the Silentbloc bushes for the MGB rear springs at a paltry #2.95.
This site
http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/pf-allparts.phtml?Category=/andre+hartford+s
hock+absorber/ has other sizes for 10-12 quid.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Old Brit cars used SilentBloc bushings for suspension, steering and, in my
case, body to chassis.  I need new ones and I can only find very expensive
replacements.

From aeseeyou at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 09:48:45 2010
From: aeseeyou at aol.com (aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:48:45 EST
Subject: [Mgs] A 4-Door Corvette
Message-ID: <973e.622f6ad1.388b30ed@aol.com>

Fellow Automotive enthusiasts,
I own a 1977 XJ-6L that has been enhanced by my replacing the  original 
DOHC six cylinder motor with a 350 Cubic Inch V-8. surprisingly lighter  in 
weight than the original engine from Coventry. It has more HP and torque than  
the motor that came with the car I used the JTR (Jags That Run) manual to 
remove  the old tired DOHC Six and automatic "slush box" with a GMC 350 and 
TH350  trans out of  the GMC SUV with H-D tow package. Along with a new 4 row  
radiator and a specially built overflow box with fill unit and replaced the 
old  3.31:01 rear end with a 2.88:01 with LSD rear end which the increased  
torque and lighter weight of the car with new engine allows me to cruise at 
 65-70 mph at a comfortable 1850 RPM whereas the 3.31:01 rear end gears 
would  probably need close to 3000 RPM to allow me to cruise at 65 mph. Lots 
easier on  the gas and overall wear and tear on the drive train.
For MGB owners looking for a fast car that mates a lightweight GM  V-6 to 
many different types of drive train options I heartily  recommend MG Classic 
Conversions Eng. at _www.classicconversionseng.com_ 
(http://www.classicconversionseng.com)  or  email  _bg.gtv6 at verizon.net_ 
(mailto:bg.gtv6 at verizon.net)  or  call then at phone # 1-(805) 484-1528 Owner Bill Guzman makes  lots 
of "GO FAST" items that will not only make your MG perform  like a supercar 
but they will make your old Abingdon classic run like  a 21st century sports 
car. 
Alberto Escalante---Left Coast  USA                        

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Fri Jan 22 14:30:39 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:30:39 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
	<a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c>

Next tuesday I'll pickup my brand new Volkswagen as standard family car.
It will have a 7-speed DSG gearchange.
I'm curious how this will behave....

Cheer,

Hans

'71 BGT asleep as the road is full of salt


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: <wspohn4 at aol.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


> ::: snerk:::
> Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars>Today's modern computer
> controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of 
> the
> days of yore.
> Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than 
> you
> do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting 
>> in
>> the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a
>> big
>>  no-no.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 14:55:04 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:55:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c>
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
	<a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Cool, what model, Hans?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>; wspohn4 at aol.com
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:30:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

Next tuesday I'll pickup my brand new Volkswagen as standard family car.
It will have a 7-speed DSG gearchange.
I'm curious how this will behave....

Cheer,

Hans

'71 BGT asleep as the road is full of salt


----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: <wspohn4 at aol.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


> ::: snerk:::
> Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars>Today's modern computer
> controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of the
> days of yore.
> Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than you
> do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.
> Rick
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting in
>> the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a
>> big
>>  no-no.
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From PRNDL at sonic.net  Fri Jan 22 14:56:56 2010
From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:56:56 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Wanted / Auto Trans
Message-ID: <81DD5A80-64BB-4252-9527-8BBCC670DEF9@sonic.net>

>  will have a 7-speed DSG gearchange.
> I'm curious how this will behave....

Hopefully as good as the current BMW version (*really* good) and not as bad as
the previous BMW version (*really* bad).
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From otis15 at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 17:27:10 2010
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:27:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mikuni carb
Message-ID: <8CC69D9EF8907E0-4034-F4EA@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone know where I can buy gaskets for a mikuni side draft carb. Mainly need
the carb body to intake manifold.

                                      Appreciate any help
                                      Steve
                                      N.E. Ohio

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan 22 18:03:31 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:03:31 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Mikuni carb
In-Reply-To: <8CC69D9EF8907E0-4034-F4EA@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC69D9EF8907E0-4034-F4EA@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B5A4AE3.1060302@bradakis.com>

As I recall the manifold mounting of the Mikuni is exactly
the same as a Weber DCOE, so Weber gaskets, which are
readily available should work.  I probably have a bunch
somewhere, but finding them at the moment would be a
major undertaking.

mjb.

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 19:45:19 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:45:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
References: <1885849037.1943711264003110376.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W421893D6149921657460EAB7610@phx.gbl>

There's an MGC/GT automatic, I assume LHD in Hemmings this month.

> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:58:30 +0000
> From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] wanted
>
> Looking for a rhd, automatic, MGB. Any out there?
> Sam
>
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From otis15 at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 21:40:59 2010
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:40:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mikuni carb
Message-ID: <8CC69FD64C78675-5CA8-11CD4@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks for the help on the Mikuni carb gasket. Never thought about useing a
weber, I guess I got in to much of a hurry. I will give the other fellow you
mentioned a shout also.

                                                                       Thanks
Again
                                                                        Steve
                                                                         N.E.
Ohio

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 23 09:26:48 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:26:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
	<a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c>
	<218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E2B25B0D9184A5DB2993DBC65022322@uw471de61b465c>

VW Passat Variant - stationwagon model.
120 HP out of a 1.4 TSI engine!
Choice is due to the Dutch law, which offers lower "company car"  tax, as this
engine is able to have the car producing a very low CO2 level.
As this model almost is to be replaced, the car could be ordered with loads of
options for very little money.
It's the only bigger car offering this lower tax.

Just 3 days to go...
Current car is the same with 1.9 TDI .

Cheers,

Hans
next weekend cold hands ride with my 1973 Puch moped
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dan DiBiase
  To: Hans Duinhoven ; Richard Ewald ; wspohn4 at aol.com
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


  Cool, what model, Hans?


  Dan D
  Central NJ USA
  '76 MGB Tourer
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  twitter: dandibiase






-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
  To: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>; wspohn4 at aol.com
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:30:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

  Next tuesday I'll pickup my brand new Volkswagen as standard family car.
  It will have a 7-speed DSG gearchange.
  I'm curious how this will behave....

  Cheer,

  Hans

  '71 BGT asleep as the road is full of salt


  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ewald"
<richard.ewald at gmail.com>
  To: <wspohn4 at aol.com>
  Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


  > ::: snerk:::
  > Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars
  > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars>Today's modern computer
  > controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of
the
  > days of yore.
  > Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than
you
  > do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.
  > Rick
  >
  > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:
  >
  >> But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting
in
  >> the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a
  >> big
  >>  no-no.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 23 10:34:13 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:34:13 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <7E2B25B0D9184A5DB2993DBC65022322@uw471de61b465c>
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com><a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com><C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c><218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7E2B25B0D9184A5DB2993DBC65022322@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <E5B1397556E34D19A59D40565EBA7C35@HomePC>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:26 AM
To: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>; "Richard Ewald" 
<richard.ewald at gmail.com>; <wspohn4 at aol.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


Cheers,

Hans
next weekend cold hands ride with my 1973 Puch moped
==================

Hans, by the look of the picture you sent me a while back, I don't think you 
guys looked like you were enjoying that cold ride.  By the middle of next 
week, we are supposed to have a high temp of -10 C.  I think my moped will 
be staying in the garage.

Have fun -- if that's possible in this weather.  ;-)

Larry

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Jan 23 19:03:54 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:03:54 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] clutch cylinder rebuild
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I disassembled both clutch and brake master cylinders for my 64B (nice
indoor activity while a snow storm continues, already 10+ inches since
yesterday). Both seem identical in all the internal components. When I
checked my spare parts for the rebuild kits, though, there is a
significant difference - the clutch kit has two ring seals rather than a
ring seal and a cup seal. So I checked the trusty Moss catalog and it
indicates two options for the clutch master cylinder - the one I have
that is missing the cup seal and another one that apparently replaces
the piston "with cup seal to later spec. with ring seals" at a much
greater cost of course (no option for the old style listed). So my very
technical question - were the older piston/seals the same on both master
cylinders as it looks to me on visual inspection. Or do I need to
convert the piston in the clutch master cylinder?



David Councill

64 B

67 BGT

72 B

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 23 21:08:07 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:08:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg vs triumph
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <5F0D71A9EC4849D8BDD1197BC61A6C56@ranteer.local>

 in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine

"You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a pair 
of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; the other 
is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither 
has appeared on a new car in this country in more than twenty-five years, 
but once, both were household names.

In the decades following WWII, British Marques MG and Triumph essentially 
created the stateside market for the low-cost, high-fun roadster.  By 
packaging pedestrian sedan components into rakish, droptop bodies, they 
introduced thousands of people to the joys of cornering and all but invented 
the wind-in-hair grin.  And while the two companies battled each other in 
grand style at places like LeMans and the N|rburgring, the real contest took 
place in showrooms.

It came down to a difference in personality: Triumph were raucous, snarly 
little things, all torque and attitude, while MGs were more refined, often 
slower, but usually better built.  The dichotomy regularly carried over into 
ownership: According to lore, MG people wore string-back driving gloves and 
saw Triumph jocks as hairy-eared brutes; Triumph people ate raw meat and 
thought driving gloves were for dandy fops who drank light beer through a 
straw.  Charmingly, each side was to be secretly in love with each other.

MG and Triumph faded out of the U.S. market in the early 80's, victims of 
corporate avarice and terminal mismanagement.  Triumph later went belly-up; 
MG, although still technically alive, has spent the past two decades on 
badge-engineered life support.  All told, it was an ignominious end to one 
of the automotive industries more likable duels." 

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan 23 22:35:27 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:35:27 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Nice going
Message-ID: <4B5BDC1F.90607@bradakis.com>

Some braindead AOL subscriber clicked on the abuse button for about
50 MG list messages, instead of delete, or simply unsubscribing if they
really don't want the list.

How do people this clueless find their way out of bed in the morning?

With luck it won't trigger a complete ban of Team.Net for ALL AOL users.
We shall see.

mjb.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sun Jan 24 02:37:45 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com><a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com><C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c><218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7E2B25B0D9184A5DB2993DBC65022322@uw471de61b465c>
	<E5B1397556E34D19A59D40565EBA7C35@HomePC>
Message-ID: <67D738D54C834ECBBC08A10E1F7B41AC@uw471de61b465c>

Hi Larry,

Last year's ride was cold - temps of -2 deg C, but with a speed of some 30 
Mph and wearing an open crash helmet like we did in the sixties and 
seventies, makes the chill factor up to minus 20.
One of the mopeds even suffered of a frozen carburettor.

http://www.buienradar.nl/sneeuw.aspx shows the current rain - snow radar.
The orange type is snow - the grey - blueish is lght rain to heavy showers 
when dark blue.
This is typical Dutch winter weather and makes the traffic suffer of 
constant dangerous slippery roads.
I live in the mid-west part of the Netherlands.
Yesterday the daylight temps were just above freezing, but the rain started 
in the morning with icy rain - one could hear it twinkle.
Later in the early evening it all turned into snow.
As typical Dutch winter weather is like this, loads of salt is spread over 
the roads, in order to fight roads becoming very icy and dangerous.
The coming week there is not a lot chaning in this pattern, so I have to 
protect my moped against the salt, if I'm going to be there.

Have an impression of last year's ride - over 400 Puch mopeds were part of 
this biggest Puch event in the Netherlands 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0svcKKU0TfE

Cheers,

Hans - preparing his 1973 Puch for the winter ride



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>; "Richard Ewald"
> <richard.ewald at gmail.com>; <wspohn4 at aol.com>
> Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
> next weekend cold hands ride with my 1973 Puch moped
> ==================
>
> Hans, by the look of the picture you sent me a while back, I don't think 
> you
> guys looked like you were enjoying that cold ride.  By the middle of next
> week, we are supposed to have a high temp of -10 C.  I think my moped will
> be staying in the garage.
>
> Have fun -- if that's possible in this weather.  ;-)
>
> Larry

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Jan 24 03:52:39 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:52:39 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] clutch cylinder rebuild
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <D1911675E36D4F1B88CFAB9A78DCCE71@paul>

The individual seals aren't identified in the Parts Catalogue, only the repair
kits.  These are different between brake and clutch, but early and middle
(pre-78) versions of each all-metal cylinder take the same kit, implying the
seals didn't change.  The kit did change for the 78-on clutch, and by that
time all brake cylinders were completely different of course.   The bore, and
possibly the stroke, push-rod length and pedal travel would all have to be the
same for the same seals to be used, I suggest.  Clutch was 19mm bore, can't
find a reliable indication of brake, but if both are dismantled should be easy
enough to compare.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----

  ... So my very
  technical question - were the older piston/seals the same on both master
  cylinders as it looks to me on visual inspection. Or do I need to
  convert the piston in the clutch master cylinder?

From sales at justbrits.com  Sun Jan 24 04:30:48 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:30:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted
In-Reply-To: <67D738D54C834ECBBC08A10E1F7B41AC@uw471de61b465c>
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com><a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com><C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c><218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7E2B25B0D9184A5DB2993DBC65022322@uw471de61b465c>
	<E5B1397556E34D19A59D40565EBA7C35@HomePC>
	<67D738D54C834ECBBC08A10E1F7B41AC@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <4B5C2F68.609@justbrits.com>

<<Have an impression of last year's ride - over 400 Puch mopeds
were part of this biggest Puch event in the Netherlands 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0svcKKU0TfE  >>

That HAS to be the LARGEST bumblebee I have
ever heard in my life, Hans !!!!!

<G>

Anon

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 05:09:54 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:09:54 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Nice going
In-Reply-To: <4B5BDC1F.90607@bradakis.com>
References: <4B5BDC1F.90607@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <95163304-F77C-4C10-965A-D52F4CAE00A3@gmail.com>

If it does, maybe it will spur users to get a real ISP. 

It's a good thing breathing is an automatic process for some people.

On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:35 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:

> Some braindead AOL subscriber clicked on the abuse button for about
> 50 MG list messages, instead of delete, or simply unsubscribing if they
> really don't want the list.
> 
> How do people this clueless find their way out of bed in the morning?
> 
> With luck it won't trigger a complete ban of Team.Net for ALL AOL users.
> We shall see.
> 
> mjb.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 25 02:03:02 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:03:02 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] mg vs triumph
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<5F0D71A9EC4849D8BDD1197BC61A6C56@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <16E690ADDD424249BD84EE5FD0E411C8@paul>

Sneering is easy, the writer probably knows nothing of MGs beginnings or its 
post-Abingdon products, nor the meaning of badge-engineering.

----- Original Message ----- > in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine
>
> "You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is a 
> pair of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover sedans; 
> the other is a word usually used to reference old, oil-leaking 
> motorcycles.  Neither has appeared on a new car in this country in more 
> than twenty-five years, but once, both were household names.

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Jan 25 07:45:13 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:45:13 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg vs triumph
In-Reply-To: <16E690ADDD424249BD84EE5FD0E411C8@paul>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F069B02F7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<5F0D71A9EC4849D8BDD1197BC61A6C56@ranteer.local>
	<16E690ADDD424249BD84EE5FD0E411C8@paul>
Message-ID: <4B5DAE79.50803@ktc.com>

Too right.  It's a result of knowing little of the subject and being too 
lazy to properly research it.

   CR

On 1/25/2010 3:03 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> Sneering is easy, the writer probably knows nothing of MGs beginnings 
> or its post-Abingdon products, nor the meaning of badge-engineering.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > in Sept 09 Automobiles Magazine
>>
>> "You can be forgiven if the names don't mean anything to you.  One is 
>> a pair of initials currently being slapped on Chinese-built Rover 
>> sedans; the other is a word usually used to reference old, 
>> oil-leaking motorcycles.  Neither has appeared on a new car in this 
>> country in more than twenty-five years, but once, both were household 
>> names.

From guinness at stclegal.com  Mon Jan 25 09:31:22 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:31:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
Message-ID: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>

Oh the humanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay

*http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
-- 
Robert Guinness

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 25 09:56:05 2010
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:56:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
In-Reply-To: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>
References: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <85FE446E131B4F8285015DED92DE7AE3@ranteer.local>

humorously enough, many, many, many years ago I saw another mga drag car. 
with a wing way up high like on a chaparral.  when I saw your post I 
wondered if it was the same car.  but its not.

is it worth even $500?  I guess one person thinks so.  but $1000?????

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Robert J. Guinness" <guinness at stclegal.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:31 AM
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay

> Oh the inhumanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
> -- 
> Robert Guinness

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 10:00:04 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
In-Reply-To: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>
References: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <C3D44404-26D2-4AF6-8B8C-E022CE3928D9@gmail.com>

No title, no engine, chopped up car, ford rear end. 

And he wants more than $500?


On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Robert J. Guinness wrote:

> Oh the humanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
> 
> *http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
> -- 
> Robert Guinness
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Mon Jan 25 13:59:29 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:59:29 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
Message-ID: <49275.1264453169@mail.webconnect.com.au>

At the risk of creating an international incident, all I can say is that I
noted with interest but not a great deal of surprise that the car and
therefore one presumes the owner is from Tennessee.... So it
would seem that yet again its proved that the taste of the south are somewhat
shall we say different.

Murray Arundell
In Sunny Australia where we're celebrating Australia Day.  Sort of our July
4th for those in the US....

On Tue Jan 26  2:31 , "Robert J. Guinness"  sent:

>Oh the humanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
>
>*http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
>--
>Robert Guinness
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 15:20:31 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:20:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
In-Reply-To: <49275.1264453169@mail.webconnect.com.au>
References: <49275.1264453169@mail.webconnect.com.au>
Message-ID: <3962D857-0BF5-4804-965F-6F1B396386D0@gmail.com>

I would just like to point out for the record that Australia is quite  
a bit further south than any part of the USA.
Again noted with intrest.
::: Ducks and runs:::
Rick
:-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:59, Murray Arundell <arundell at ghs.com.au> wrote:

> At the risk of creating an international incident, all I can say is  
> that I
> noted with interest but not a great deal of surprise that the car and
> therefore one presumes the owner is from Tennessee.... So it
> would seem that yet again its proved that the taste of the south are  
> somewhat
> shall we say different.
>
> Murray Arundell
> In Sunny Australia where we're celebrating Australia Day.  Sort of  
> our July
> 4th for those in the US....
>
> On Tue Jan 26  2:31 , "Robert J. Guinness"  sent:
>
>> Oh the humanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
>> --
>> Robert Guinness
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Mon Jan 25 17:23:54 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:23:54 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
In-Reply-To: <3962D857-0BF5-4804-965F-6F1B396386D0@gmail.com>
References: <49275.1264453169@mail.webconnect.com.au>
	<3962D857-0BF5-4804-965F-6F1B396386D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B1D2026-510A-41FC-8806-1A747CC33C91@ghs.com.au>

So far down in fact that we've come up the other side and are on top....

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/01/2010, at 8:20, Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would just like to point out for the record that Australia is  
> quite a bit further south than any part of the USA.
> Again noted with intrest.
> ::: Ducks and runs:::
> Rick
> :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:59, Murray Arundell <arundell at ghs.com.au>  
> wrote:
>
>> At the risk of creating an international incident, all I can say is  
>> that I
>> noted with interest but not a great deal of surprise that the car and
>> therefore one presumes the owner is from Tennessee.... So it
>> would seem that yet again its proved that the taste of the south  
>> are somewhat
>> shall we say different.
>>
>> Murray Arundell
>> In Sunny Australia where we're celebrating Australia Day.  Sort of  
>> our July
>> 4th for those in the US....
>>
>> On Tue Jan 26  2:31 , "Robert J. Guinness"  sent:
>>
>>> Oh the humanity!  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
>>>
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/ydg5m8x*
>>> --
>>> Robert Guinness
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mg_garage at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 18:06:18 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay
References: <4B5DC75A.4050804@stclegal.com>
	<85FE446E131B4F8285015DED92DE7AE3@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <AB1808F49AB54275B3501BDB70695CA6@stargate>

One of our club members, Bob Samyn used to drag race an MGA, in fact, his 
car has been to many NAMGAR events.  It has been restored, or just kept up 
and still sports the 350V8 ( I think).  He was known as 'Rotten Robert' back 
in the day.
Nicely done car, just not my cup of tea.

Gordie Bird 

From guinness at stclegal.com  Tue Jan 26 07:28:21 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
Message-ID: <4B5EFC05.8030409@stclegal.com>

Although I do not (and never have) lived in Tennessee, I must come to 
its defense concerning cars.  I bought my MGA and, coincidently, my 
wife's Karmann Ghia from Tennessee car enthusiasts.  I suppose that 
Tennesseans just love vintage cars  --  in all shapes and sizes.  Viva 
la difference!
-- 
Robert Guinness

From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Tue Jan 26 07:45:44 2010
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 9:45:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <4B5EFC05.8030409@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky Top  TinOsee---- "  
Mel Frank 71BGT  a TN native now in Carolina Country!


 Guinness" <guinness at stclegal.com> wrote: 
> Although I do not (and never have) lived in Tennessee, I must come to 
> its defense concerning cars.  I bought my MGA and, coincidently, my 
> wife's Karmann Ghia from Tennessee car enthusiasts.  I suppose that 
> Tennesseans just love vintage cars  --  in all shapes and sizes.  Viva 
> la difference!
> -- 
> Robert Guinness
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From DMatt21502 at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 08:33:04 2010
From: DMatt21502 at aol.com (DMatt21502 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:33:04 EST
Subject: [Mgs]  An MGA dragster on e-Bay
Message-ID: <7d77.27957d55.38906530@aol.com>

The seller says good parts car. i wonder what parts he is talking about.  
There is nothing left!!!

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 26 12:14:11 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:14:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
References: <4B5EFC05.8030409@stclegal.com>,
	<20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W31D595CC51ABB0807571AEB75E0@phx.gbl>

This thread on stereotypes reminded me of a miscommunication involving
then-presidential candidate Howard Dean, from my home state, who said that he
wanted to be the candidate for guys with pickup trucks and Confederate flags.
Everyone assumed it was some kind of slur against southerners.  But it wasn't
- because as Howie knew, there are thousands of guys in Vermont (and
Wisconsin, and Oregon, and...) with old pickup trucks and, believe it or not,
Confederate flags.



The point is, they're everywhere.  In Vermont, we don't call them rednecks, we
call them woodchucks.  Although my own woodchuck traits don't tend toward the
molestation of classic automobiles, I do drive a 17-year-old pickup - no
Confederate flag.  But who knows, just up the road there could be some
woodchuck getting his MGA ready for this year's demo derby ;-)

If I see him, I'll yell at him.

> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:45:44 -0500
> From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net; guinness at stclegal.com
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay Defense of Tennessee
>
> Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky Top
TinOsee---- "
> Mel Frank 71BGT a TN native now in Carolina Country!
>
>
> Guinness" <guinness at stclegal.com> wrote:
> > Although I do not (and never have) lived in Tennessee, I must come to
> > its defense concerning cars. I bought my MGA and, coincidently, my
> > wife's Karmann Ghia from Tennessee car enthusiasts. I suppose that
> > Tennesseans just love vintage cars -- in all shapes and sizes. Viva
> > la difference!
> > --
> > Robert Guinness

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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 14:01:48 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:01:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
References: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <4B5F583C.40800@gmail.com>

melfrankus at carolina.rr.com wrote:
> Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky Top  TinOsee---- "  
> Mel Frank 71BGT  a TN native now in Carolina Country!
Young whippersnappers I used to tour with would sing that, "Wish I was up high on old Rocky's Pot."

I told them to stop that.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Jan 26 14:25:33 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:25:33 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W31D595CC51ABB0807571AEB75E0@phx.gbl>
References: <4B5EFC05.8030409@stclegal.com>,
	<20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<SNT124-W31D595CC51ABB0807571AEB75E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <819068E2-9285-46DE-A74B-2195F60204C4@ghs.com.au>

We call them "Bogans" here...... as you say they're everywhere.

Murray

On 27/01/2010, at 5:14 AM, Mike Eldred wrote:

> This thread on stereotypes reminded me of a miscommunication involving
> then-presidential candidate Howard Dean, from my home state, who  
> said that he
> wanted to be the candidate for guys with pickup trucks and  
> Confederate flags.
> Everyone assumed it was some kind of slur against southerners.  But  
> it wasn't
> - because as Howie knew, there are thousands of guys in Vermont (and
> Wisconsin, and Oregon, and...) with old pickup trucks and, believe  
> it or not,
> Confederate flags.
>
>
>
> The point is, they're everywhere.  In Vermont, we don't call them  
> rednecks, we
> call them woodchucks.  Although my own woodchuck traits don't tend  
> toward the
> molestation of classic automobiles, I do drive a 17-year-old pickup  
> - no
> Confederate flag.  But who knows, just up the road there could be some
> woodchuck getting his MGA ready for this year's demo derby ;-)
>
> If I see him, I'll yell at him.
>
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:45:44 -0500
>> From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net; guinness at stclegal.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay Defense of Tennessee
>>
>> Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky Top
> TinOsee---- "
>> Mel Frank 71BGT a TN native now in Carolina Country!
>>
>>
>> Guinness" <guinness at stclegal.com> wrote:
>>> Although I do not (and never have) lived in Tennessee, I must come  
>>> to
>>> its defense concerning cars. I bought my MGA and, coincidently, my
>>> wife's Karmann Ghia from Tennessee car enthusiasts. I suppose that
>>> Tennesseans just love vintage cars -- in all shapes and sizes. Viva
>>> la difference!
>>> --
>>> Robert Guinness
>
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 14:32:38 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:32:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <4B5F583C.40800@gmail.com>
References: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<4B5F583C.40800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <980664.89524.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 From: The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>

To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 4:01:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee

melfrankus at carolina.rr.com wrote:
> Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky Top  TinOsee---- "  Mel Frank 71BGT  a TN native now in Carolina Country!
Young whippersnappers I used to tour with would sing that, "Wish I was up high on old Rocky's Pot."

I told them to stop that.

-Rocky Frisco
_______________________________________________

Didn't like the word 'old', eh, Rocky? ;-)

Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 16:04:30 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay  Defense of Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <980664.89524.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20100126144545.MWUAN.239518.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
	<4B5F583C.40800@gmail.com>
	<980664.89524.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F74FE.1040009@gmail.com>

Dan DiBiase wrote:
>
>  *From:* The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>
> *To:* MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Tue, January 26, 2010 4:01:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] An MGA dragster on e-Bay Defense of Tennessee
>
> melfrankus at carolina.rr.com <mailto:melfrankus at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> > Rocky Top, you'll always be Home sweet home to me..........Rocky 
> Top  TinOsee---- "  Mel Frank 71BGT  a TN native now in Carolina Country!
> Young whippersnappers I used to tour with would sing that, "Wish I was 
> up high on old Rocky's Pot."
>
> I told them to stop that.
>
> -Rocky Frisco
> _______________________________________________
>
> Didn't like the word 'old', eh, Rocky? ;-)
Got that right!

-Rocky Frisco
--

From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net  Wed Jan 27 05:32:46 2010
From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (sdesalvo at frontiernet.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:32:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <811672939.1158151264595388184.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <1991459275.1158521264595565973.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>

Any idea what an average condition MGB with automatic and RHD might be worth in the U.S.? My bench mark for an avg. condition 4-speed, LHD MGB is in the range of $5000 to $8000. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 27 07:02:40 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:02:40 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wheel offset
Message-ID: <AF79370CB60B4DC4AE2A8BFCC4DCAFAD@paul>

Stud wheels are easy - you simply measure the distance from the centre-line of
the wheel to the face of the wheel hub that bolts up to the axle hub, which is
usually flat.  But what about wire wheels?  It is measured to the back of the
wheel hub or at the inner taper?  And if at the inner taper is it the wider
edge?  The narrower edge?  Or between the two?

MGB wheel offset is usually given as '22mm approx', but doesn't it vary with
wheel width in order to keep the wheel centralised in the well?  4", 4.5" and
5" widths were used at various times, my 5" Rostyles measure 26.8mm, and my
4.5" wires 20.45mm (to the middle of the taper).  Shouldn't wire wheel offset
be significantly less than steel or alloy?  Isn't that why wire wheel axles
are 1.75" (banjo) or 1.5" (Salisbury) narrower than stud axles?

An enquiring mind wants to know.
PaulH.

From mgmagnette at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 10:02:09 2010
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (mgmagnette at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:02:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <1991459275.1158521264595565973.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <8CC6D8998E02D93-1B9C-2FB1@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com>

What ever you take off for the steering wheel on the wrong side, and the
automatic, you would add back on for the novelty.  I'd say your $5000 to $8000
range applies just as well.  there is CERTAINLY no premium for auto and
wrong-hand-drive.

-John

From sales at justbrits.com  Wed Jan 27 11:07:05 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <8CC6D8998E02D93-1B9C-2FB1@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC6D8998E02D93-1B9C-2FB1@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B6080C9.60103@justbrits.com>

<< ...there is CERTAINLY no premium for auto and wrong-hand-drive. >>

Off hand I would say the REVERSE would be true, John.

PLENTY run-of-the-mill 4sp MGB Roadster/Convt. cars
running around and plenty for sale.  Dime a dozen<G> !!

Ed

PS:  In US that is.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 27 10:46:41 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:46:41 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <1991459275.1158521264595565973.JavaMail.root@cl04-host02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <C785BC01.26A67%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

The main problem will be to find a buyer. It wouldn't necessarily be worth
less to someone who actually wanted one, but that person is going to be hard
to find. And most potential MGB buyers wouldn't be interested it at any
price, since it would be so easy to find a LHD 4-speed example.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/27/10 4:32 AM, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net at sdesalvo at frontiernet.net
wrote:

> Any idea what an average condition MGB with automatic and RHD might be worth
> in the U.S.? My bench mark for an avg. condition 4-speed, LHD MGB is in the
> range of $5000 to $8000. Any input would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Sam

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 27 10:52:14 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:52:14 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Wheel offset
In-Reply-To: <AF79370CB60B4DC4AE2A8BFCC4DCAFAD@paul>
Message-ID: <C785BD4E.26A69%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Offset is the same between various wheel widths, if the intent is to keep
the wheel centered in the well -- think about it. "Backspace" would change
based on wheel width.

Good question about measuring wire wheel offset. I wonder if the concept had
even been articulated in the wire wheel heyday -- rims were often narrower
than the hub, as in bicycle wheels today. At any rate the measurement is not
comparable to a bolt-on -- apples vs oranges.

But I am sure that is why the axles are different length -- the hub is much
thicker on a wire wheel.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 1/27/10 6:02 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Stud wheels are easy - you simply measure the distance from the centre-line of
> the wheel to the face of the wheel hub that bolts up to the axle hub, which is
> usually flat.  But what about wire wheels?  It is measured to the back of the
> wheel hub or at the inner taper?  And if at the inner taper is it the wider
> edge?  The narrower edge?  Or between the two?
> 
> MGB wheel offset is usually given as '22mm approx', but doesn't it vary with
> wheel width in order to keep the wheel centralised in the well?  4", 4.5" and
> 5" widths were used at various times, my 5" Rostyles measure 26.8mm, and my
> 4.5" wires 20.45mm (to the middle of the taper).  Shouldn't wire wheel offset
> be significantly less than steel or alloy?  Isn't that why wire wheel axles
> are 1.75" (banjo) or 1.5" (Salisbury) narrower than stud axles?
> 
> An enquiring mind wants to know.
> PaulH.

From vdiorio at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 11:10:24 2010
From: vdiorio at hotmail.com (vincent diorio)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <4B6080C9.60103@justbrits.com>
References: <8CC6D8998E02D93-1B9C-2FB1@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com>,
	<4B6080C9.60103@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W2533C342E2B7C49D40B704AF5D0@phx.gbl>

I'll take three.  My dime will be forwarded.  Keep the change.

Vinny

> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:07:05 -0600
> From: sales at justbrits.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] value
>
> << ...there is CERTAINLY no premium for auto and wrong-hand-drive. >>
>
> Off hand I would say the REVERSE would be true, John.
>
> PLENTY run-of-the-mill 4sp MGB Roadster/Convt. cars
> running around and plenty for sale. Dime a dozen<G> !!
>
> Ed
>
> PS: In US that is.
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Jan 27 13:34:57 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:34:57 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
References: <1562e.14f46d10.388a3ea7@aol.com>
	<a3b984e11001211618t1092cf4bjb273321983728666@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5E0B537F83F41C7AE2693DCB38DF658@uw471de61b465c>
	<218355.72115.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE21E6FD341D48CE81347BB3849F2A6D@uw471de61b465c>

Hi Dan,

Well I must say I'm very impressed by VW's DSG.
Still running in, because I just have covered 130 miles on the odo, but the
DSG makes the comfort!
The engine is very silent and gear change is hardly noticed.
When coasting to a traffic light, the DSG switches itself out of gear, which
gives a long coasting possibility.
Also when the engine is at normal temperature, it switches off automatically
when standing still at traffic lights etc. When lifting the foot from the
brake pedal, the engine restarts automatically.
I already achieved to drive 10 miles per 1 litre for gas on a trip!

Cheers,

Hans

still love my BGT's character best - a car with a heart!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dan DiBiase
  To: Hans Duinhoven ; Richard Ewald ; wspohn4 at aol.com
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


  Cool, what model, Hans?


  Dan D
  Central NJ USA
  '76 MGB Tourer
  '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
  NAMGBR #5-2328
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
  http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
  http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
  http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
  twitter: dandibiase






-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
  To: Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>; wspohn4 at aol.com
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:30:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted

  Next tuesday I'll pickup my brand new Volkswagen as standard family car.
  It will have a 7-speed DSG gearchange.
  I'm curious how this will behave....

  Cheer,

  Hans

  '71 BGT asleep as the road is full of salt


  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ewald"
<richard.ewald at gmail.com>
  To: <wspohn4 at aol.com>
  Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted


  > ::: snerk:::
  > Somebody forgot to tell that to this guy and his race cars
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars
  > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral_Cars>Today's modern computer
  > controlled multi speed automatics are a far cry from the slush boxes of
the
  > days of yore.
  > Frankly the computer has a better chance of picking the right gear than
you
  > do.  It just flat thinks faster, and can multi-task better.
  > Rick
  >
  > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <wspohn4 at aol.com> wrote:
  >
  >> But they are still no use for road racing on a closed track.  Shifting
in
  >> the middle of a corner when you are hung out to the breakaway point is a
  >> big
  >>  no-no.

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Jan 27 15:04:40 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] value
Message-ID: <20100127.141639.13671.216866@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>

  I posed this question to a couple of CT Jag Club members last fall,
about a 3.8 MkII.  Their responses were that RHD would take about $10M
off the value here in USA. The car in question had OD. That adds value,
compared to 4speed only, but they also opined that OD and the automatic
cars have equal value here.
Bob


 
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:46:41 -0800 Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> The main problem will be to find a buyer. It wouldn't necessarily be 
> worth less to someone who actually wanted one, but that person is going
to 
> be hard to find. And most potential MGB buyers wouldn't be interested
it at 
> any price, since it would be so easy to find a LHD 4-speed example.
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> on 1/27/10 4:32 AM, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net at 
> sdesalvo at frontiernet.net
> wrote:
> 
> > Any idea what an average condition MGB with automatic and RHD 
> might be worth
> > in the U.S.? My bench mark for an avg. condition 4-speed, LHD MGB 
> is in the
> > range of $5000 to $8000. Any input would be appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Wed Jan 27 15:24:23 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:24:23 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] value
In-Reply-To: <20100127.141639.13671.216866@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>
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$10 Million?!  The MkII worth that much has never been made......

Murray Arundell

On 28/01/2010, at 8:04 AM, MGBOB wrote:

>  I posed this question to a couple of CT Jag Club members last fall,
> about a 3.8 MkII.  Their responses were that RHD would take about $10M
> off the value here in USA. The car in question had OD. That adds  
> value,
> compared to 4speed only, but they also opined that OD and the  
> automatic
> cars have equal value here.
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:46:41 -0800 Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> writes:
>> The main problem will be to find a buyer. It wouldn't necessarily be
>> worth less to someone who actually wanted one, but that person is  
>> going
> to
>> be hard to find. And most potential MGB buyers wouldn't be interested
> it at
>> any price, since it would be so easy to find a LHD 4-speed example.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>>
>>
>> on 1/27/10 4:32 AM, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net at
>> sdesalvo at frontiernet.net
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any idea what an average condition MGB with automatic and RHD
>> might be worth
>>> in the U.S.? My bench mark for an avg. condition 4-speed, LHD MGB
>> is in the
>>> range of $5000 to $8000. Any input would be appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 15:33:10 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:33:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] value
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It was once owned by Cliff Richard :D

> From: arundell at ghs.com.au
> To: mgbob at juno.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:24:23 +1000
> CC: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] value
>
> $10 Million?! The MkII worth that much has never been made......
>
> Murray Arundell
>
> On 28/01/2010, at 8:04 AM, MGBOB wrote:
>
> > I posed this question to a couple of CT Jag Club members last fall,
> > about a 3.8 MkII. Their responses were that RHD would take about $10M
> > off the value here in USA. The car in question had OD. That adds
> > value,
> > compared to 4speed only, but they also opined that OD and the
> > automatic
> > cars have equal value here.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:46:41 -0800 Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> > writes:
> >> The main problem will be to find a buyer. It wouldn't necessarily be
> >> worth less to someone who actually wanted one, but that person is
> >> going
> > to
> >> be hard to find. And most potential MGB buyers wouldn't be interested
> > it at
> >> any price, since it would be so easy to find a LHD 4-speed example.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Max Heim
> >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> >> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> >>
> >>
> >> on 1/27/10 4:32 AM, sdesalvo at frontiernet.net at
> >> sdesalvo at frontiernet.net
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any idea what an average condition MGB with automatic and RHD
> >> might be worth
> >>> in the U.S.? My bench mark for an avg. condition 4-speed, LHD MGB
> >> is in the
> >>> range of $5000 to $8000. Any input would be appreciated.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Sam
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Jan 28 01:43:28 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:43:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Wheel offset
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I don't know if there is a "standard" method of specifying offset for 
wire wheels, but it's easy enough to measure them for 
comparison.  With any wheel you find center of the rim by measuring 
the width and divide by 2.  For a wire you can find center of the hub 
the same way, measure width between the taper mounts and divide by 
two.  Also measure discance from one side of the rim to one end of 
the hub, and you can then calculate offset from center of rim to 
center of hub.  Alternately you could use the distance from rim 
center to hub inboard end as the offset dimension (for comparison 
between wire wheels).

WW rear axle is 7/8" shorter each side than the DW axle (at face of 
brake drums).  Offset of a stock 4" wide steel wheel for MGA is 
1-3/8" (35mm).  MGB wheels might be slightly different, maybe, but I 
think not much different, certainly not as low as the 22mm often 
noted in custom wheel sales information.  The WW hub does not touch 
the brake drum but sits at least 1/8" to 1/4" away from it.  Mating 
cone surfaces are even farther out.  I don't have any WW parts or 
hubs in hand to mearsure, but here's a rough guess for example.  If 
the inner cone is 3/4" away from the brake drum, and the cones are 4" 
apart, then the hub center is 2-3/4" from the face of the 
drum.  Assuming same track width for DW and WW cars, this puts center 
of the WW hub 1/2" farther outboard than the bolt-up surface for DW 
cars.  This would make WW offset 1-7/8" (48mm), measured to center of 
the hub between cones.  Anyone with WW parts in hand may feel free to 
fil in the real dimensions.

When considering wider wheels for a WW car, you should add width 
equally to inboard and outboard sides of the rim to maintain original 
track width.  If you are looking only at the inboard end of the hub, 
then when going to wider rims you should add half of the increase of 
rim width to the "backset" dimension (distance from inboard side of 
rim to inboard end of hub).

Barney


At 02:02 PM 1/27/2010 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Stud wheels are easy - you simply measure the distance from the 
>centre-line of the wheel to the face of the wheel hub that bolts up 
>to the axle hub, which is usually flat.  But what about wire 
>wheels?  It is measured to the back of the wheel hub or at the inner 
>taper?  And if at the inner taper is it the wider edge?  The 
>narrower edge?  Or between the two?
>
>MGB wheel offset is usually given as '22mm approx', but doesn't it 
>vary with wheel width in order to keep the wheel centralised in the 
>well?  4", 4.5" and 5" widths were used at various times, my 5" 
>Rostyles measure 26.8mm, and my 4.5" wires 20.45mm (to the middle of 
>the taper).  Shouldn't wire wheel offset be significantly less than 
>steel or alloy?  Isn't that why wire wheel axles are 1.75" (banjo) 
>or 1.5" (Salisbury) narrower than stud axles?
>....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 01:53:52 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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Are you sure about that?  In the UK coasting out of gear is a test failure,
and may be illegal (it was certainly cause for disqualification in the MPG
trials of years ago).  From what I've read just taking the foot off coasts
in gear, and that causes the fuel supply to shut off altogether (like most
if not all computer-controlled injection systems) but coasting in neutral
(which is selectable on any car of course) causes the engine to use fuel at
the idling rate.  If you have an mpg (kpl?) meter you should be able to
see this, or maybe you can see it on the gear selector display?  Many
(including Jeremy Clarkson) claim that it's more economical to coast in gear
because of this, but as the momentum of the car is being used up in
uselessly spinning the engine, i.e. slowing you down faster, I doubt that,
just try pushing you car on the flat in neutral and then in top gear!

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> When coasting to a traffic light, the DSG switches itself out of gear,
> which
> gives a long coasting possibility.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 02:26:06 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:26:06 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wheel offset
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That's the bit I'm after, the rest is easy!

My Salisbury stud wheel axle measures 48.5", the length I've seen quoted for 
such an axle, between the faces of the bearing caps the back-plate bolts up 
to, which is a lot less than brake drum face to brake drum face.  This is 
logical, as the axle manufacturer wouldn't necessarily know what braking 
system is going to be fitted.  It doesn't matter where the *difference* in 
length between the two types is measured and calculated of course, as long 
as it uses the same reference points.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I don't know if there is a "standard" method of specifying offset for
> wire wheels... 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 28 02:26:03 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:26:03 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wheel offset
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Message-ID: <72119D2A7AEC48AAA41B773818F6B736@paul>

When I got my brain firing on all cylinders I realised the offset wouldn't 
*need* to change with different wheel widths, which makes my 27mm Rostyles 
curious to say the least.  Maybe the quoted 22mm was measured/calculated 
wrongly somewhere long ago and has been repeated ad nauseum ever since.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Offset is the same between various wheel widths, if the intent is to keep
> the wheel centered in the well -- think about it. "Backspace" would change
> based on wheel width.

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan 28 07:49:23 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (MGBOB)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:49:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
Message-ID: <20100128.070906.16307.22134@mailpop05.vgs.untd.com>

  Coasting out of gear was not permitted when, years back, I was reading
for my driving permit.
  One wonders, though, how the two-stroke SAABs that were popular in
Connecticut at the time were allowed, as they needed their free-wheel
device so engines would be adequately lubricated when coasting down.  
Bob
 



On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> Are you sure about that?  In the UK coasting out of gear is a test 
> failure,
> and may be illegal (it was certainly cause for disqualification in 
> the MPG
> trials of years ago).  From what I've read just taking the foot off 
> coasts
> in gear, and that causes the fuel supply to shut off altogether 
> (like most
> if not all computer-controlled injection systems) but coasting in 
> neutral
> (which is selectable on any car of course) causes the engine to use 
> fuel at
> the idling rate.  If you have an mpg (kpl?) meter you should be able 
> to
> see this, or maybe you can see it on the gear selector display?  
> Many
> (including Jeremy Clarkson) claim that it's more economical to coast 
> in gear
> because of this, but as the momentum of the car is being used up in
> uselessly spinning the engine, i.e. slowing you down faster, I doubt 
> that,
> just try pushing you car on the flat in neutral and then in top 
> gear!
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > When coasting to a traffic light, the DSG switches itself out of 
> gear,
> > which
> > gives a long coasting possibility.
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From thgun at comporium.net  Thu Jan 28 18:34:05 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber
Message-ID: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>

What do you think about a weber carb to replace The SU? This would be for a
1957 ,1500 rst.
Tom

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:38:01 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:38:01 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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Which Weber?  DCOE or DGV?  How will the car be used?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Tom Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:

> What do you think about a weber carb to replace The SU? This would be for a
> 1957 ,1500 rst.
> Tom
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From don at napanet.net  Thu Jan 28 18:45:24 2010
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:45:24 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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Don't do it.  My 1962 MGA came with one of those and it just doesn't 
run all that well with it.  Plus it looks hideous and ruins the car's 
originality.  I am going to put the SUs back on it as they did come 
with the car, albeit in a cardboard box.  I've had a lot of MGs over 
the years and SU carbs are one of the cool things on an MG.  They are 
simple and easy to work on.  If you must have different carbs, go for 
a setup from an early B as they are probably the most 
trouble-free.  Now the sidedraft Webers that were BMC competition 
equipment might be a different animal than the cheap downdraft Weber 
that I have on my car.

Don Scott
Calistoga, CA

1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT (selling)
2001 Miata SE BRG
63-67 MGB (searching)


At 05:34 PM 01/28/2010, Tom Gunderson wrote:
>What do you think about a weber carb to replace The SU? This would be for a
>1957 ,1500 rst.
>Tom

From sales at justbrits.com  Thu Jan 28 18:47:37 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:47:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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<< Which Weber? DCOE or DGV? How will the car be used? >>

And to add to Rick's correct questions Tom, what is
state of the motor ??

Personally and IMNSVHO <G>, Weber[s] is/are a
waste on any "normal & street" LBC.

Weber[s] has/have to be set-up to EACH motor; you
just can't buy one and "plop in on".  It/they have to
be tuned to the motor & type of driving and trust me,
the JOB can be one of the most difficult ever
attempted.  I have watched and assist serious Weber
PROS doing the job and it is NOT one I would ever
attempt nor go thru<G>!

Even on my own cars !!!

Ed

From otis15 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 18:55:47 2010
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:55:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  weber
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Had problems with the DCOE but the DGV and the "38" outlaw was a snap.
                                                                             
                                            Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: Sales at " Just Brits " <sales at justbrits.com>
To:
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Mgs] weber


<< Which Weber? DCOE or DGV? How will the car be used? >>

And to add to Rick's correct questions Tom, what is
state of the motor ??

Personally and IMNSVHO <G>, Weber[s] is/are a
waste on any "normal & street" LBC.

Weber[s] has/have to be set-up to EACH motor; you
just can't buy one and "plop in on". It/they have to
be tuned to the motor & type of driving and trust me,
the JOB can be one of the most difficult ever
attempted. I have watched and assist serious Weber
PROS doing the job and it is NOT one I would ever
attempt nor go thru<G>!

Even on my own cars !!!

Ed
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jan 28 20:36:07 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:36:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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References: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <4B6257A7.1010404@bradakis.com>

You may get some responses from folks who say they replaced the SUs
with a Weber and the car runs better than it ever has.  What they don't
say is that they replaced a worn out, leaking, badly adjusted, dirty and
neglected carb with a shiny new Weber out of the box.  Of course it
ran better!

Replacing that worn out, leaking, etc. carb with a shiny, clean, well
rebuilt and properly adjusted SU would also make the car run better
than it ever has, without having the drawback of putting a 90 degree
turn in the path to the intake ports.

Webers, both the downdraft DG and the sidedraft DCO series do
have an accelerator pump which can give a slightly quicker throttle
response compared to the constant depression style of enrichment
of the SUs.  But with two equal cars with equally strong engines
and well tuned carbs, you'd not likely notice any real difference
between a Weber and SUs.

There's a lot of comparing apples to lipstick when it comes
to carbs on our old British machinery.

mjb.

From sales at justbrits.com  Thu Jan 28 20:47:08 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:47:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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References: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
	<4B6257A7.1010404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4B625A3C.5030805@justbrits.com>

THANKS, Mark !!!!

<<There's a lot of comparing apples to lipstick when it comes
to carbs on our old British machinery. >>

One of the BEST things I have ever read on any List
anywhere <G> !!!  And TRUE to a fault - LOL !!!

Ed

From sales at justbrits.com  Thu Jan 28 20:51:19 2010
From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ")
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] weber
In-Reply-To: <20100129015836.93D9A24DBAF@mail.napanet.net>
References: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
	<20100129015836.93D9A24DBAF@mail.napanet.net>
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<< Now the sidedraft Webers that were BMC competition
equipment might be a different animal than the cheap
downdraft Weber that I have on my car. >>

Then ADD to the fact there there IS a HUGE
difference in motors [condition thereof], Don <G> !!!

Ed

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 21:11:02 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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	<20100129015836.93D9A24DBAF@mail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W563BACE660C158D7E4AE8DB75B0@phx.gbl>

Absolutely, I agree.  I've been an MG nut since I could walk, and an MG just
isn't an MG without those dual SUs.  I recently bought a Midget with a Weber
downdraft, and one of the things on my "to do" list is to get one of the sets
of HS4s I've got laying around here rebuilt and swap the Weber out.  It's the
epitome of "adequate."


> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:45:24 -0800
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> From: don at napanet.net
> Subject: [Mgs] weber
>
> Don't do it. My 1962 MGA came with one of those and it just doesn't
> run all that well with it. Plus it looks hideous and ruins the car's
> originality. I am going to put the SUs back on it as they did come
> with the car, albeit in a cardboard box. I've had a lot of MGs over
> the years and SU carbs are one of the cool things on an MG. They are
> simple and easy to work on. If you must have different carbs, go for
> a setup from an early B as they are probably the most
> trouble-free. Now the sidedraft Webers that were BMC competition
> equipment might be a different animal than the cheap downdraft Weber
> that I have on my car.
>
> Don Scott
> Calistoga, CA
>
> 1962 MGA Mk II
> 1973 MGB GT (selling)
> 2001 Miata SE BRG


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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 22:04:44 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] weber
In-Reply-To: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <467819.91144.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Tom Gunderson <thgun at comporium.net> wrote:

> What do you think about a weber carb
> to replace The SU? This would be for a
> 1957 ,1500 rst.

Like most downdraft carburetors, the Webers
have a lot of delicate and fiddly adjustments
that gain you no advantage over the simplicity
and reliability of the dual-SUs.  Most people 
who replace SUs with Webers are making a knee-
jerk reaction against carburetors that, to
them, look "foreign."  Do you *want* your MG to
be more, or less, like a Chevrolet?

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 22:38:45 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:38:45 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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Lots of incorrect information floating around this thread.

Webers for MGs come in two basic flavors.
A DGV down draft and a DCOE side draft.
The DGV series (DGV, DGAV, DGEV etc) are a simple basic carb.  The kits for
MGs came out in the late 1970s as a replacement for the Penis Strom-turd the
factory put on the cars.  IMHO this is about the best single upgrade for
this car.
As far as complexity goes a DGV is almost as simple as a single SU and
easier than dual SUs.  You have replaceable jets.  Idle, main, air corrector
and pump (if my memory serves).  There are two whole screws to adjust, idle
speed and air balance (not mixture, air balance)
Once the correct jets are installed, and the float set it takes about 2
minutes to set the carb up.  Nothing easier and they stay in tune.  I have
done hundreds of them and they are super easy (and I HATE carburetors, but I
love SUs and the DGV)

Now a DCOE is a different kettle of fish.  You have 7 main calibrated parts
to adjust to get the car to run correctly (Let's see if I can name them from
memory)(Idle, air corrector, emulsion tubes, mains, chokes, pump jets, and
aux venturi)(W00t! I did it)  There are also a few minor ones that almost
nobody screws with.
So you remember algebra where you had to solve for 2 or 3 varibles?  Here
you get to solve for 7.  Not easy.  I can do it, but it is not easy or fun.
If not perfectly set up, you will be fiddling with it just about forever.
However with that said, if you have a performance engine a DCOE will process
gasoline into power as good and probably better than any other carb.  DCOEs
also look way, way cool.
but they are a pain in the ass to set up right.  So you pay for that
coolness.

If you have SUs, I would keep them if they are at all serviceable.  If they
are complete junk a DGV would be cheaper than a pair of new SUs (I think, I
have not priced lately).
Unless you are in competition or really want the wow factor stay away from
the DCOE it is truly a bear to get right.
$.02
Rick

From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 05:59:20 2010
From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:59:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  weber
In-Reply-To: <8CC6E9D4F3EEA23-23B8-6AFF@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <271985.56141.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I've had a "38" Outlaw downdraft on my '74 B-GT for a while now.  The car runs
far better than when the SUs were on it. It is much easier to start and
overall drivability is very good. I will emphasize that these carburettors do
require careful (and I mean meticulously careful) setup in order to achieve
the best performance.  I remember spending more than a few hours doing this.
However, the end result was quite good.
Regards,
Matt M.'74 B-GTWillow Grove, PA

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, otis15 at aol.com <otis15 at aol.com> wrote:

From: otis15 at aol.com <otis15 at aol.com>
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd:  weber
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:55 PM

Had problems with the DCOE but the DGV and the "38" outlaw was a snap.
                                                                             
                                            Steve






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To:
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Mgs] weber


<< Which Weber? DCOE or DGV? How will the car be used? >>

And to add to Rick's correct questions Tom, what is
state of the motor ??

Personally and IMNSVHO <G>, Weber[s] is/are a
waste on any "normal & street" LBC.

Weber[s] has/have to be set-up to EACH motor; you
just can't buy one and "plop in on". It/they have to
be tuned to the motor & type of driving and trust me,
the JOB can be one of the most difficult ever
attempted. I have watched and assist serious Weber
PROS doing the job and it is NOT one I would ever
attempt nor go thru<G>!

Even on my own cars !!!

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From bighealey at charter.net  Fri Jan 29 06:42:44 2010
From: bighealey at charter.net (Tracy Drummond)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e11001282138l2ac367a8nb64fe424c55249bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43EF5A5C43CC4A7B98CE04C5ACED8D94@TRACY>

I used a DGV 32/36 (manual choke) with a Pierce Manifold on a Triumph 1500
motor in a Midget.  Vast improvement over the Stromberg and eliminates the
Smog pump and a host of other power sucking air lines, canisters etc...
It was incredibly easy to install and tune.

I would NOT recommend DCOE for a street car unless you have the time
patience and skills, or a ton of money to have a pro with a Dyno do the
tuning.

On an earlier car I would stick to SUs.

Warm Regards,

Tracy Drummond

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-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Richard Ewald
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:39 PM
To: David Breneman
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] weber

Lots of incorrect information floating around this thread.

Webers for MGs come in two basic flavors.
A DGV down draft and a DCOE side draft.
The DGV series (DGV, DGAV, DGEV etc) are a simple basic carb.  The kits for
MGs came out in the late 1970s as a replacement for the Penis Strom-turd the
factory put on the cars.  IMHO this is about the best single upgrade for
this car.
As far as complexity goes a DGV is almost as simple as a single SU and
easier than dual SUs.  You have replaceable jets.  Idle, main, air corrector
and pump (if my memory serves).  There are two whole screws to adjust, idle
speed and air balance (not mixture, air balance)
Once the correct jets are installed, and the float set it takes about 2
minutes to set the carb up.  Nothing easier and they stay in tune.  I have
done hundreds of them and they are super easy (and I HATE carburetors, but I
love SUs and the DGV)

Now a DCOE is a different kettle of fish.  You have 7 main calibrated parts
to adjust to get the car to run correctly (Let's see if I can name them from
memory)(Idle, air corrector, emulsion tubes, mains, chokes, pump jets, and
aux venturi)(W00t! I did it)  There are also a few minor ones that almost
nobody screws with.
So you remember algebra where you had to solve for 2 or 3 varibles?  Here
you get to solve for 7.  Not easy.  I can do it, but it is not easy or fun.
If not perfectly set up, you will be fiddling with it just about forever.
However with that said, if you have a performance engine a DCOE will process
gasoline into power as good and probably better than any other carb.  DCOEs
also look way, way cool.
but they are a pain in the ass to set up right.  So you pay for that
coolness.

If you have SUs, I would keep them if they are at all serviceable.  If they
are complete junk a DGV would be cheaper than a pair of new SUs (I think, I
have not priced lately).
Unless you are in competition or really want the wow factor stay away from
the DCOE it is truly a bear to get right.
$.02
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From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Jan 29 07:21:42 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber
In-Reply-To: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
References: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <A5E3E89E0283479C83CC37B2AF5D3D0B@TOMPC>

Thank you guys for all the replys. This is a great list!
I am thinking about a rebuild on my carbs now.
Tom
1957, 1500 rst
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To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:34 PM
Subject: [Mgs] weber


> What do you think about a weber carb to replace The SU? This would be for 
> a
> 1957 ,1500 rst.
> Tom
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 29 07:52:48 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:52:48 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] weber
References: <43EF5A5C43CC4A7B98CE04C5ACED8D94@TRACY>
Message-ID: <972725F1B3D1415FB359A392BF533100@paul>

To be fair, you can eliminate the pump with any carb, most of the other 
stuff isn't power sapping, and anything would be an improvement over a 
single Zenith ...

----- Original Message ----- 
>I used a DGV 32/36 (manual choke) with a Pierce Manifold on a Triumph 1500
> motor in a Midget.  Vast improvement over the Stromberg and eliminates the
> Smog pump and a host of other power sucking air lines, canisters etc...
> It was incredibly easy to install and tune.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 29 07:57:16 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:57:16 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] weber
References: <A9C9AC13BEA44B06BFEC0EE780863620@TOMPC>
	<A5E3E89E0283479C83CC37B2AF5D3D0B@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <8560D26197C149D18CC379AF9D757A74@paul>

Do they *need* a rebuild?  SUs aren't difficult to setup, and they don't 
rapidly lose it as some claim, but they do need to be setup correctly, then 
not fiddled about with.  About the only thing that wears on an SU is the 
needle/jet if it hasn't been centred correctly, and the throttle spindle 
shaft and bushes.  If you don't setup rebuilt carbs correctly, you will 
still get unsatisfactory performance.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I am thinking about a rebuild on my carbs now.

From thgun at comporium.net  Fri Jan 29 08:48:49 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
Message-ID: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>

My car has been setting for over a year waiting to get a head replacement. I
have done that and now I am wanting to get the car back on the road. After
mounting the carbs I found that I can't get power when driving. It seems to be
getting enough gas. It starts fine. With the air cleaners off I put my hand
over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall. When I
do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet clogged
or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two plug
wires connected and not with the rear two only connected. Just an idea to
replace the carbs. All the replys help.
Thanks, Tom
1957 MGA , 1500 rst

From guinness at stclegal.com  Fri Jan 29 08:59:20 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA dragsters
Message-ID: <4B6305D8.7030205@stclegal.com>

Here is how to drag race an MGA with style.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/V8-MGA-vs-63-Galaxie_130553.htm
-- 
Robert Guinness

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 29 09:21:39 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:21:39 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
References: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <F3E9E38DC2264F16AABAA84E678573F4@paul>

Well you definitely need to find out what is causing that before splashing 
out on a rebuild, or replacement carbs.  Could be something really silly and 
simple.

Assuming you have HSs remove the float chamber lids, is there about the same 
amount of fuel in each?

If none in the rear then check the rear float valve and the line feeding 
that cover for flow.

If the level looks about the same replace the covers, remove the air filters 
so you can see the top of the jets, connect a tube to each float chamber 
vent port in turn, blow in it gently, and you should see fuel bubble up out 
of the jet.

If not the jet or pipe appears to be blocked, the sealing washer can 
decompose.

If that's OK look in the intakes as you open the throttle and watch the 
pistons, they should both rise the same amount, and both be delayed by the 
dampers the same amount.

What are the rear plugs like compared to the front?  We've just gone through 
this same symptom for someone elsewhere and they were black and sooty, which 
eventually proved to be a .100 jet in the rear carb and a .090 in the front, 
i.e. a grossly rich mixture even with the rear jet wound fully up. 
Something which should have been obvious by a failure to adjust the mixture 
from weak, through correct to rich and back again on that carb.  That took 
three months and 99 posts to resolve!

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
> ... With the air cleaners off I put my hand
> over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall. 
> When I
> do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet 
> clogged
> or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two 
> plug
> wires connected and not with the rear two only connected. 

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 10:01:11 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
In-Reply-To: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
References: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W963754E4937ADF13E3CDEB75B0@phx.gbl>

It's enraging, isn't it?  But it sounds like you've got the problem narrowed
down nicely.  Assuming you've already checked to make sure there's spark going
to the two rear plugs, then the problem is likely as you say, in the rear
carb.  They're easy to take apart and go through, and easy to get back
together.  I would suggest finding one of the online video resources rather
than trying to follow any narrative I could supply, although someone else here
might do a better job.  Try the University Motors website - John Twist has a
number of excellent videos posted there that really take the mystery out of
all kinds of maintenance projects.



One last thing:  removing your current carburetor setup, buying, installing
and setting up a new intake manifold and Weber will be several times more work
than just taking care of the problem you have with the SU.



-Mike Eldred

'54 MG TF

'73 Midget

> From: thgun at comporium.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:49 -0500
> Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
>
> My car has been setting for over a year waiting to get a head replacement.
I
> have done that and now I am wanting to get the car back on the road. After
> mounting the carbs I found that I can't get power when driving. It seems to
be
> getting enough gas. It starts fine. With the air cleaners off I put my hand
> over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall. When
I
> do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet
clogged
> or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two plug
> wires connected and not with the rear two only connected. Just an idea to
> replace the carbs. All the replys help.
> Thanks, Tom
> 1957 MGA , 1500 rst
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 10:07:39 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
In-Reply-To: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
References: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <5401D180-8E42-49E2-B27B-E5BC7F029B8F@gmail.com>

Are the jets close in height? This sounds like a classic case of the front way
too rich and the rear way too lean.

I'd start fresh on balancing the carbs.


On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Tom Gunderson wrote:

> My car has been setting for over a year waiting to get a head replacement.
I
> have done that and now I am wanting to get the car back on the road. After
> mounting the carbs I found that I can't get power when driving. It seems to
be
> getting enough gas. It starts fine. With the air cleaners off I put my hand
> over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall. When
I
> do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet
clogged
> or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two plug
> wires connected and not with the rear two only connected. Just an idea to
> replace the carbs. All the replys help.
> Thanks, Tom
> 1957 MGA , 1500 rst

From pchast at francomm.com  Fri Jan 29 10:13:52 2010
From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:13:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
In-Reply-To: <5401D180-8E42-49E2-B27B-E5BC7F029B8F@gmail.com>
References: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
	<5401D180-8E42-49E2-B27B-E5BC7F029B8F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u7a0tekcsjevdj@pete200>

Hi All,

I think we may be missing a key fact. These carbs have been sitting off the
car for a year or more by the original post. I'm sure they need cleaning
and resetting before any other evaluation.

Pete


On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:07:39 -0500, Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Are the jets close in height? This sounds like a classic case of the  
> front way
> too rich and the rear way too lean.
>
> I'd start fresh on balancing the carbs.
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Tom Gunderson wrote:
>
>> My car has been setting for over a year waiting to get a head  
>> replacement.
> I
>> have done that and now I am wanting to get the car back on the road.  
>> After
>> mounting the carbs I found that I can't get power when driving. It  
>> seems to
> be
>> getting enough gas. It starts fine. With the air cleaners off I put my  
>> hand
>> over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall.  
>> When
> I
>> do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet
> clogged
>> or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two  
>> plug
>> wires connected and not with the rear two only connected. Just an idea  
>> to
>> replace the carbs. All the replys help.
>> Thanks, Tom
>> 1957 MGA , 1500 rst
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From mike at sportscarslimited.net  Fri Jan 29 10:37:30 2010
From: mike at sportscarslimited.net (Michael Singleton)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:37:30 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
In-Reply-To: <F8AD3113B68B40618630C87FA5443E09@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <C120D5054FB34262973A40904F6D101D@scloffice>

In addition to many of the other suggestions I would add a couple:
1 What condition were the carbs in when you took them out of the box or when
you acquired them originally? If they were dirty and generally grungy on the
outside, then usually they are similar inside. Just cleaning them with some
spray carb cleaner will help, but is not a substitute for dismantling and
thouroughly going through the carbs. 

2 Hold the throttle in semi open position and try to wiggle the end of the
throttle shaft from side to side. The max it should move is .010" or less,
anything more indicates that the shaft or bushes are worn way too much. This
wear will allow air to enter and will make adjustment nearly impossible. To
make the car idle requires the carbs to be set at nearly full rich, and then
it won't rev because it is way too rich at full throttle.

A complete carb rebuild in our shop costs about $350, including new throttle
shafts and bushes. I believe that others charge about the same. If you
choose to have the carbs rebuilt, make sure that they do the throttle shaft
bushings, or measure to be certain that there is little wear in the bushes.
Sometimes the shafts will wear and not the bushes. Unfortunately, that is
not usually the case on MGA's.  


Michael Singleton
Sportscars Ltd
10170 Croydon Way
Suite M
Sacramento, CA 95826
 
(916)366-0330
mike at sportscarslimited.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tom Gunderson
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:49 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not

My car has been setting for over a year waiting to get a head replacement. I
have done that and now I am wanting to get the car back on the road. After
mounting the carbs I found that I can't get power when driving. It seems to
be getting enough gas. It starts fine. With the air cleaners off I put my
hand over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall.
When I do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a
jet clogged or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the
front two plug wires connected and not with the rear two only connected.
Just an idea to replace the carbs. All the replys help.
Thanks, Tom
1957 MGA , 1500 rst
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri Jan 29 10:36:11 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber
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Tom,

I know it is expensive - but cheap usually ends up to be the most 
expensive - get them done by the original rebuild people, Burlen, in 
the UK..  I regret not having them do my Aston SUs - they finish them 
in black like the originals and the cost was only about $50 more than 
what I paid.


At 09:21 AM 1/29/2010, Tom Gunderson wrote:
>Thank you guys for all the replys. This is a great list!
>I am thinking about a rebuild on my carbs now.
>Tom
>1957, 1500 rst
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gunderson" <thgun at comporium.net>
>To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:34 PM
>Subject: [Mgs] weber
>
>
>>What do you think about a weber carb to replace The SU? This would be for a
>>1957 ,1500 rst.
>>Tom
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From mg_garage at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 16:52:34 2010
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
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Tom, have you confirmed that you are getting fire to #3 & #4?

If so, follow Pauls directions.


> Well you definitely need to find out what is causing that before splashing 
> out on a rebuild, or replacement carbs.  Could be something really silly 
> and simple.
>
> Assuming you have HSs remove the float chamber lids, is there about the 
> same amount of fuel in each?
>
> If none in the rear then check the rear float valve and the line feeding 
> that cover for flow.
>
> If the level looks about the same replace the covers, remove the air 
> filters so you can see the top of the jets, connect a tube to each float 
> chamber vent port in turn, blow in it gently, and you should see fuel 
> bubble up out of the jet.
>
> If not the jet or pipe appears to be blocked, the sealing washer can 
> decompose.
>
> If that's OK look in the intakes as you open the throttle and watch the 
> pistons, they should both rise the same amount, and both be delayed by the 
> dampers the same amount.
>
> What are the rear plugs like compared to the front?  We've just gone 
> through this same symptom for someone elsewhere and they were black and 
> sooty, which eventually proved to be a .100 jet in the rear carb and a 
> .090 in the front, i.e. a grossly rich mixture even with the rear jet 
> wound fully up. Something which should have been obvious by a failure to 
> adjust the mixture from weak, through correct to rich and back again on 
> that carb.  That took three months and 99 posts to resolve!
>
> PaulH.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> ... With the air cleaners off I put my hand
>> over the air intake of the front carb. It wants to choke out and stall. 
>> When I
>> do this on the rear carb it does'nt act the same. Maybe there is a jet 
>> clogged
>> or trash in the carb line. The engine will run with only the front two 
>> plug
>> wires connected and not with the rear two only connected.
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 18:19:52 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:19:52 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
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Along the same line, if there is a blown head gasket between 3 and 4,
rebuilding the carbs won't help much.
Rick

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, gordies garage <mg_garage at comcast.net>wrote:

> Tom, have you confirmed that you are getting fire to #3 & #4?

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Sat Jan 30 06:25:20 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:25:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
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Have you done a compression test?
paul

>Along the same line, if there is a blown head gasket between 3 and 4,
>rebuilding the carbs won't help much.
>Rick
>
>On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, gordies garage <mg_garage at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>>  Tom, have you confirmed that you are getting fire to #3 & #4?
>_______________________________________________


-- 
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University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
paul at ece.rochester.edu

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 30 09:09:21 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:09:21 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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Well Paul,

All these "green" features of my new car have to be accredited by the Dutch 
authoroties, so I assume it all is well approved. This gearbox gets into a 
"free" coasting state whenever the speed is over 20 Km/h or higher and the 
throttle pedal is fully released.
But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages the 
right gearnumber for the current speed. It all works very well.
Whenever you know how the gearbox behaves, you can anticipate to its 
behaviour.
F.I. this afternoon I approached traffic lights, which went red and I still 
had to drive quite a distance.
So I released the throttle pedal and the car slowed down at a very easy 
pace.
I have the feeling this behaviour truly saves fuel.

I know the fact of fully shutting down fuel injection when coasting with 
gears engaged.
My previous car just did that (I could see the fuel economy meter go up 
faster than normal when doing this.
However, I cannot changed the behaviour of my DSG gearbox at this spot.
And I must say coasting the DSG mode I do now gives a very much longer 
remaining distance to drive, than I did with my previous car. Point is, one 
had to have enough space upfront knowing the traffic lights are not getting 
green, because then you miss the possibility to pass the green lights.
Secondly the cars behind me may become annoyed by my snail behaviour.....

The DSG gearbox is fully automatic, so I cannot force the box to get into 
the 7th gear.
In fact the gear switching program is designed sucht, that it changes gears 
at very low revs - everytime I'm very surprised how easy the engine still 
pulls well at 1,300 RPM in highest gear (7) up onto a bridge!

Still I'm very happy with this automatic gearbox, when I compare it with a 
traditional automatic gearbox.
I have drive an Audi A6 automatic 5-speed for almost 200,000 miles and that 
box behaved like a truck.
I do like to USA car automatic gearboxes better - my wife drives a Daewoo 
Lanos (GM gearbox), which works great, my collegue Bam drives a Chrysler 
300C V8 SRT, which also has a nice gearbox and before the Audi I drove a 
Chrysler Voyager automatic, which also had a nice gearchange.
But when you once have experienced a DSG, you never want to go back to a 
traditional one....

Cheers,

Hans
71 BGT well asleep in wintertime - lots of snow and slippery & salty roads 
are no good for a seventies car...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>; "Dan DiBiase" 
<d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
Cc: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed


> Are you sure about that?  In the UK coasting out of gear is a test 
> failure,
> and may be illegal (it was certainly cause for disqualification in the MPG
> trials of years ago).  From what I've read just taking the foot off coasts
> in gear, and that causes the fuel supply to shut off altogether (like most
> if not all computer-controlled injection systems) but coasting in neutral
> (which is selectable on any car of course) causes the engine to use fuel 
> at
> the idling rate.  If you have an mpg (kpl?) meter you should be able to
> see this, or maybe you can see it on the gear selector display?  Many
> (including Jeremy Clarkson) claim that it's more economical to coast in 
> gear
> because of this, but as the momentum of the car is being used up in
> uselessly spinning the engine, i.e. slowing you down faster, I doubt that,
> just try pushing you car on the flat in neutral and then in top gear!
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> When coasting to a traffic light, the DSG switches itself out of gear,
>> which
>> gives a long coasting possibility.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 30 09:31:07 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:31:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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Interesting if the designers have decided to freewheel and keep the engine 
ticking over rather than keep the momentum of the car spinning the engine 
and shut off the fuel completely, it implies the former is more economical. 
Mind you if you have stop/start then it could do both i.e. use no fuel *and* 
have minimum drag.  The computer restarting the engine and matching revs to 
road speed as well as engaging the appropriate gear and clutch.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... This gearbox gets into a "free" coasting state whenever the speed is 
> over 20 Km/h or higher and the throttle pedal is fully released.
> But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages the 
> right gearnumber for the current speed. 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 30 10:02:21 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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There's a big difference with manual gears or even traditional automatic 
gearbox against DSG boxes.
The DSG box in my VW reengages gears automatically in a split second 
whenever either the throttlepedal or brakepedal is depressed.
This automatic reengaging behaviour ensures a safe behaviour on the road, 
I'm convinced.

Coasting downhill with a 2-stroke engine can be done in several ways, while 
the lubricationof the engine goes on.
I have to do so with my classic 2-stroke Puch mopeds as well.
When going downhill the gearbox remains engaged and the vehicle's speed is 
lowered a bit by the engine.
At regular intervals the throttle pedal has to be lowered a bit, in order to 
feed gas thrue the engine.
2-Stroke engines have a pretty low braking effect anyway, so most braking in 
the mountains with 2-stroke engined vehicles have to be done by the normal 
brakes anyway.
I have been riding my 2-stroke engined mopeds through the Eiffel and 
Ardennen mountains during several vacations and it all went well.

Cheers,

Hans


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MGBOB" <mgbob at juno.com>
To: <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed


>
>  Coasting out of gear was not permitted when, years back, I was reading
> for my driving permit.
>  One wonders, though, how the two-stroke SAABs that were popular in
> Connecticut at the time were allowed, as they needed their free-wheel
> device so engines would be adequately lubricated when coasting down.
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
> <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> Are you sure about that?  In the UK coasting out of gear is a test
>> failure,
>> and may be illegal (it was certainly cause for disqualification in
>> the MPG
>> trials of years ago).  From what I've read just taking the foot off
>> coasts
>> in gear, and that causes the fuel supply to shut off altogether
>> (like most
>> if not all computer-controlled injection systems) but coasting in
>> neutral
>> (which is selectable on any car of course) causes the engine to use
>> fuel at
>> the idling rate.  If you have an mpg (kpl?) meter you should be able
>> to
>> see this, or maybe you can see it on the gear selector display?
>> Many
>> (including Jeremy Clarkson) claim that it's more economical to coast
>> in gear
>> because of this, but as the momentum of the car is being used up in
>> uselessly spinning the engine, i.e. slowing you down faster, I doubt
>> that,
>> just try pushing you car on the flat in neutral and then in top
>> gear!
>>
>> PaulH.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > When coasting to a traffic light, the DSG switches itself out of
>> gear,
>> > which
>> > gives a long coasting possibility.

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Sat Jan 30 11:43:08 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:43:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] weber or not
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Only takes a min. do it again,  just to make sure nothing is wrong .
paul

>No. I did one before the head was replaced and that is how I found 
>that I had a bad valve.
>Tom
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Osborne" <paul at ece.rochester.edu>
>To: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
>Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] weber or not
>
>>Have you done a compression test?
>>paul
>>
>>>Along the same line, if there is a blown head gasket between 3 and 4,
>>>rebuilding the carbs won't help much.
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, gordies garage 
>>><mg_garage at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Tom, have you confirmed that you are getting fire to #3 & #4?
>>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>--
>>Paul Osborne
>>University of Rochester
>>Engineering & Technical Services
>>Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
>>201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
>>Rochester, New York 14627
>>585-275-5226
>>paul at ece.rochester.edu
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Jan 30 14:28:45 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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The Prius will sort of freewheel with the engine shut down at speed 
below ~40 mph.  It's called "gliding" by those who know how to extract 
this behavior from the car.  It isn't really freewheeling, it's a matter 
of MG1 spinning at a speed that allows the engine to cease rotation - 
possible in a 3-way planetary gearset.

Have you read up on how the DSG gearbox(s) work?

   CR

On 1/30/2010 10:31 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> Interesting if the designers have decided to freewheel and keep the 
> engine ticking over rather than keep the momentum of the car spinning 
> the engine and shut off the fuel completely, it implies the former is 
> more economical. Mind you if you have stop/start then it could do both 
> i.e. use no fuel *and* have minimum drag.  The computer restarting the 
> engine and matching revs to road speed as well as engaging the 
> appropriate gear and clutch.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> ... This gearbox gets into a "free" coasting state whenever the speed 
>> is over 20 Km/h or higher and the throttle pedal is fully released.
>> But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages 
>> the right gearnumber for the current speed. 
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sun Jan 31 12:24:05 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:24:05 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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I never studied the DSG principles, but 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox gives a nice explanation. 
BTW Audi calls this gearbox Tip-Tronic


Cheers,

Hans
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charley & Peggy Robinson" <ccrobins at ktc.com>
To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>; <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed


> The Prius will sort of freewheel with the engine shut down at speed below 
> ~40 mph.  It's called "gliding" by those who know how to extract this 
> behavior from the car.  It isn't really freewheeling, it's a matter of MG1 
> spinning at a speed that allows the engine to cease rotation - possible in 
> a 3-way planetary gearset.
>
> Have you read up on how the DSG gearbox(s) work?
>
>   CR
>
> On 1/30/2010 10:31 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> Interesting if the designers have decided to freewheel and keep the 
>> engine ticking over rather than keep the momentum of the car spinning the 
>> engine and shut off the fuel completely, it implies the former is more 
>> economical. Mind you if you have stop/start then it could do both i.e. 
>> use no fuel *and* have minimum drag.  The computer restarting the engine 
>> and matching revs to road speed as well as engaging the appropriate gear 
>> and clutch.
>>
>> PaulH.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> ... This gearbox gets into a "free" coasting state whenever the speed is 
>>> over 20 Km/h or higher and the throttle pedal is fully released.
>>> But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages the 
>>> right gearnumber for the current speed.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Jan 31 13:29:54 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:29:54 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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I've already read up on it.  I was surprised to see how it works.

CR

On 1/31/2010 1:24 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
> I never studied the DSG principles, but 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox gives a nice 
> explanation. BTW Audi calls this gearbox Tip-Tronic
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charley & Peggy Robinson" 
> <ccrobins at ktc.com>
> To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Cc: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>; <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
>
>
>> The Prius will sort of freewheel with the engine shut down at speed 
>> below ~40 mph.  It's called "gliding" by those who know how to 
>> extract this behavior from the car.  It isn't really freewheeling, 
>> it's a matter of MG1 spinning at a speed that allows the engine to 
>> cease rotation - possible in a 3-way planetary gearset.
>>
>> Have you read up on how the DSG gearbox(s) work?
>>
>>   CR
>>
>> On 1/30/2010 10:31 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>>> Interesting if the designers have decided to freewheel and keep the 
>>> engine ticking over rather than keep the momentum of the car 
>>> spinning the engine and shut off the fuel completely, it implies the 
>>> former is more economical. Mind you if you have stop/start then it 
>>> could do both i.e. use no fuel *and* have minimum drag.  The 
>>> computer restarting the engine and matching revs to road speed as 
>>> well as engaging the appropriate gear and clutch.
>>>
>>> PaulH.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> ... This gearbox gets into a "free" coasting state whenever the 
>>>> speed is over 20 Km/h or higher and the throttle pedal is fully 
>>>> released.
>>>> But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages 
>>>> the right gearnumber for the current speed.
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 31 18:35:45 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:35:45 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel pump
Message-ID: <C78B6FF1.26C2E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, I tore into my fuel pump today, and it didn't seem anything was
drastically amiss. Both points showed some signs of burning, but it cleaned
up in a jiffy. Pursuant to Barney's suggestion, I examined the geometry of
the components carefully, and I have to say that the brass parts almost look
like they were bent to shape by hand without benefit of a jig or template --
nothing was precisely orthogonal.  I compared it to my old pump, and decided
to use my needlenose pliers to square up the points a bit. I don't know if
that had any effect, but when I jumped it to a battery, it ran strong and
continuously. So I reinstalled the pump and went on a test drive, about 12
or 14 miles including city and freeway. So far so good.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 19:34:22 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:34:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed
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Actually, Hans, Tiptronic is the regular Audi automatic transmission with manual shift feature. Their version of the
DSG was called S-Tronic. Not sure if it still is, or if they just call it DSG now as well. But Tiptronic isn't it....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
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________________________________
From: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: ccrobins at ktc.com; Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: mgs at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 2:24:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed

I never studied the DSG principles, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox gives a nice explanation. BTW Audi calls this gearbox Tip-Tronic


Cheers,

Hans
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charley & Peggy Robinson" <ccrobins at ktc.com>
To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>; <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] wanted - now DSG 7 speed


> The Prius will sort of freewheel with the engine shut down at speed below ~40 mph.  It's called "gliding" by those who know how to extract this behavior from the car.  It isn't really freewheeling, it's a matter of MG1 spinning at a speed that allows the engine to cease rotation - possible in a 3-way planetary gearset.
> 
> Have you read up on how the DSG gearbox(s) work?
> 
>   CR
> 
> On 1/30/2010 10:31 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:
>> Interesting if the designers have decided to freewheel and keep the engine ticking over rather than keep the momentum of the car spinning the engine and shut off the fuel completely, it implies the former is more economical. Mind you if you have stop/start then it could do both i.e. use no fuel *and* have minimum drag.  The computer restarting the engine and matching revs to road speed as well as engaging the appropriate gear and clutch.
>> 
>> PaulH.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> ... This gearbox gets into a "free" coasting state whenever the speed is over 20 Km/h or higher and the throttle pedal is fully released.
>>> But whenever I apply the brakepedal, the DG box immediately engages the right gearnumber for the current speed.
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