From scvc70 at epix.net  Thu Dec  2 08:13:30 2010
From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fw: [Healeys] Stolen car alert (White MGA)
Message-ID: <AEB2D8AC038441F4BCB24129346FE049@computer624080>

FYI

Sarah Carr
MGB-GT in PA




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Drummond" <bighealey at charter.net>
To: <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Stolen car alert (White MGA)


> Pass the this message on.   (This is from my racing buddy Scott Brown)
>
>
>
> STOLEN 1961 MGA WHITE IN COLOR. THIS CAR WAS STOLEN OVER THE THANKGIVING
> WEEKEND OUT OF OUR GARAGE IN THE TOWER DISTRICT OF FRESNO CA. IT HAD BEEN
> SITTING THERE FOR MANY YEARS.THIS WAS MY MOMS CAR AND SHE IS HEAT BROKEN
> OVER THIS SO ANY INFO WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOU ARE A DEALER IN MG'S AND
> SOMEONE CONTACTS YOU WITH A GREAT DEAL ON A COMPLETE 61 MG IT'S PROBABLY
> OURS. THE LIC AND VIN HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE LOCAL POLICE SO IF YOU ARE 
> THE
> PERSON WHO STOLE IT GOOD LUCK REGISTERING IT. WE ARE OFFERING A $500.00
> REWARD TO ANYONE HAS INFO THAT WILL LEAD TO THE RECOVERY OF THIS CAR. 
> PLEASE
> CALL 559-246-7683
>
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>
>
> Tracy Drummond
>
>
>
> PMP | ITIL Service Manager | CISSP | bighealey at charter.net | 408-394-3444
> cell | 408-776-0133 home | http://www.linkedin.com/in/tracydrummond
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Dec  3 18:42:20 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri,  3 Dec 2010 18:42:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mgs] Spam, servers, service and such
Message-ID: <20101204014220.957D32E06E@bradakis.com>

I wrote this for another list, but there are possibly a few of you who
here who might want some advance warning of possible Team.Net
downtime.  I don't want to be the cause of even more hoilday panic!
Anyway, here's the message:


Yes, there are still some spam messages from hijacked email accounts
getting through now and then.  I've been working on the issue a bit,
but it is turning out to be a case of 'shipwright's disease' as we
know it, applied to computers.  If you don't know what I am talking
about, check out

http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32


Basically to tighten up security and improve a few things I'm planning
on updating the operating system and all the user level programs that
Team.Net uses.  Not a small undertaking, but well within my abilities.
Currently there is no budget for hardware upgrades, perhaps after the
spring fund drive.  Of course, if you haven't yet spent all your loot
on holiday gifts and such and wanted to donate [ link below ] I would
not complain ;-)

The process will take a fair bit of time over who knows how many late
nights at the keyboard.  With luck it will all be unnoticed by you
folks, transparent to the user, as they say.  But there is always a
chance of service not being available for some period of time,
hopefully no more than minutes at a time.  It could be something
simple, like a stupid typo in a config file, or it could be one of the
cats jumping the the keyboard as I go to fetch some more refrehments
and somehow managing to hit the CONFIRM REFORMAT OF ALL DISKS button.

 I remember what it was like when the ISP I was using for the DSL line
went belly up and Team.Net was off the air for 8 days - not a good
thing.  Actually, I wonder what the up vs. down time percentages might
be over the last 19 years and 7 months of Team.Net.  I won't count the
years before that when I ran it from the U of U.

Anyway, short story is if Team.Net disappears at times over the
next few weeks, don't panic, I'll be working on it.


mjb.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  4 11:29:14 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:29:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Churchill Tool
Message-ID: <616801494.209102.1291487354986.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

List, 



Does anyone know the application of Churchill tool S337? 



Is there a link on the 'net to Churchill toll numbers? 



Thanks, 



Ed Woods 

From palte at gmx.net  Sat Dec  4 13:52:30 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 21:52:30 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Churchill Tool
In-Reply-To: <616801494.209102.1291487354986.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westc
	hester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <616801494.209102.1291487354986.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20101204205219.1BA4118766B@autox.team.net>

Why this question?
Did you find one and don't know what it is for?

What does it look like?


Bert


At 19:29 4-12-2010, you wrote:
>List,
>
>
>
>Does anyone know the application of Churchill tool S337?
>
>
>
>Is there a link on the 'net to Churchill toll numbers?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Ed Woods
>_______________________________________________
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  4 17:31:49 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:31:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Churchill Tool
Message-ID: <290004147.220777.1291509109608.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Bert, 



Yes, I found one. It has a long handle, perhaps 18" with a working end that has four "prongs" that might fit a transmission output coupling or some such with the intention of holding said coupling while tightening or loosening the flange nut. The "prongs" are in a bolt circle, but not are not equidistant. 



Ed Woods 

From guinness at stclegal.com  Sun Dec  5 12:36:40 2010
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:36:40 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Churchill Tool S337
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1291575608.20071.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.6.1291575608.20071.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4CFBE9C8.8030701@stclegal.com>

Perhaps a bevel pinion flange wrench to hold the bevel pinion flange 
while the retaining nut is loosened; comparable to MGA tool18G34a

-- 
Robert Guinness

From palte at gmx.net  Wed Dec  8 13:58:18 2010
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
Message-ID: <20101209041520.F34E7187910@autox.team.net>

"The car has one deficit: It needs a shot of ether after a cold night".

This quote is from the "The Worst MGB ever" thread's  original ad.


Q:
Can someone explain this? Under what conditions do you need ether to 
start a car?
Sounds somewhat exotic to me....


Bert

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 21:57:28 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:57:28 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
In-Reply-To: <20101209041520.F34E7187910@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <C925A1B8.2DE77%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Otherwise known as "starting fluid"....


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


PS: they probably meant "defect", not "deficit"


on 12/8/10 12:58 PM, Bert P at palte at gmx.net wrote:

> "The car has one deficit: It needs a shot of ether after a cold night".
> 
> This quote is from the "The Worst MGB ever" thread's  original ad.
> 
> 
> Q:
> Can someone explain this? Under what conditions do you need ether to
> start a car?
> Sounds somewhat exotic to me....
> 
> 
> Bert

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Wed Dec  8 22:10:31 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
In-Reply-To: <20101209041520.F34E7187910@autox.team.net>
References: <20101209041520.F34E7187910@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F076EF8FB@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Ether can be helpful to start a car in extremely cold weather as it
evaporates quicker. But since it works best sprayed into the intake
while the engine is being turned over, making it not the best solution
without two people. When I lived in Wyoming (northern USA), out in the
country, no garage, I relied on coolant heaters (freeze plug heaters,
lower radiator hose heaters) to keep the cars (71 BGT, 74 Land Cruiser)
warm enough to start in the mornings and thus only resorted to ether a
couple of times. And by cold weather, I mean minus ten to minus 25 F.

However, the "Worst MGB ever" was located in northern California and I
think "cold night" was more in a range near freezing, maybe 25-35 F?
That would make me suspect the choke cable was either broken or the
choke was out of adjustment so the ether was just compensating. In my
experience, a B should start reliably (when maintained and in tune) at
temperatures down to about five below. Lower than that, things become
more iffy

David Councill
64 B
67 BGT
72 B
74 Toyota Landcruiser
01 Land Rover Discovery II

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bert P
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:58 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?

"The car has one deficit: It needs a shot of ether after a cold night".

This quote is from the "The Worst MGB ever" thread's  original ad.


Q:
Can someone explain this? Under what conditions do you need ether to
start a car?
Sounds somewhat exotic to me....


Bert
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From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Dec  9 06:46:44 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:46:44 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
Message-ID: <20101209.084644.14955.2@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

  Ether, sold as starting fluid, can be helpful in bitter weather for some
engines. One must be careful with the stuff and get it into the cylinders
where the spark plug can fire it and help to ignite the fuel/air mix already
present. If ether is in the air cleaner it can ignite there, which is not a
pleasant experience for air cleaner or the hand of the person spraying it.
Where and what was the MG that was said to have needed it?  My '75, used as
daily driver in Maine during the 1980s, would start reliably down to about
-20F. Below that temp a quick shot of ether was helpful, but R&R of the air
cleaner is not a pleasant task when ones fingers stick to the metal, so I
rarely used it.  Sometime in the late 1960s I had my TD in Stowe VT on a ski
weekend. At -30 it wasn't really interested in starting, but by using both
electric starter and the starting handle it did sputter then run.  Starting
fluid is most useful these days as something to spray on stuck nuts & bolts.
The cold from its evaporation helps to free the bonds of "frozen" steel.Bob
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bert P <palte at gmx.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:58:18 +0100

"The car has one deficit: It needs a shot of ether after a cold night".

This quote is from the "The Worst MGB ever" thread's  original ad.


Q:
Can someone explain this? Under what conditions do you need ether to
start a car?
Sounds somewhat exotic to me....


Bert
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 10:25:39 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F076EF8FB@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <20101209041520.F34E7187910@autox.team.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F076EF8FB@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <4D011113.2080502@gmail.com>

On 12/8/2010 11:10 PM, Councill, David wrote:
> Ether can be helpful to start a car in extremely cold weather as it
> evaporates quicker. But since it works best sprayed into the intake
> while the engine is being turned over, making it not the best solution
> without two people. When I lived in Wyoming (northern USA), out in the
> country, no garage, I relied on coolant heaters (freeze plug heaters,
> lower radiator hose heaters) to keep the cars (71 BGT, 74 Land Cruiser)
> warm enough to start in the mornings and thus only resorted to ether a
> couple of times. And by cold weather, I mean minus ten to minus 25 F.
>
> However, the "Worst MGB ever" was located in northern California and I
> think "cold night" was more in a range near freezing, maybe 25-35 F?
> That would make me suspect the choke cable was either broken or the
> choke was out of adjustment so the ether was just compensating. In my
> experience, a B should start reliably (when maintained and in tune) at
> temperatures down to about five below. Lower than that, things become
> more iffy
At the ice races, in the 60's, we kept a hot plate under the oil pan of the Mini, with an extension running into the window of the hotel room. Once the engine was started, we kept it running all day. That was usually around 35 below for a high of the day. If it was much warmer than that, the ice wouldn't pass muster.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Dec  9 10:50:38 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:50:38 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
Message-ID: <20101209.125038.21755.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

  Have you noticed diesel locomotives idling in the yards all winter?  Once I
asked an engineer about that. His reply, "Son, if we shut them down, they
wouldn't start again until June."Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>
To: "mgs at autox.team.net >> \\"mgs at autox.team.net\\"" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:25:39 -0600

At the ice races, in the 60's, we kept a hot plate under the oil pan of the
Mini, with an extension running into the window of the hotel room. Once the
engine was started, we kept it running all day. That was usually around 35
below for a high of the day. If it was much warmer than that, the ice wouldn't
pass muster.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Thu Dec  9 17:31:41 2010
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:31:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Ether - when required?
In-Reply-To: <1038788980.465550.1291941100613.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2025550286.465555.1291941101914.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

either will also start a car with very poor compression. Probably the case in the instance mentioned. 
once the motors running, it is turning over fast enough to keep going. getting is started is the hard part. 
There. 
Back to lurking. 
Eric 
currently dealing with 
disability 
retirement 
home loan modification/foreclosure 
Kaiser medical redtape 
being robbed by local "automatic toll agency" 
cluster headaches 
hey, at least I,m not married. She'd be leaving me too. 
:( 

From batangelias at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 20:18:53 2010
From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:18:53 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
In-Reply-To: <4CFBE9C8.8030701@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

The MG7 sports saloon.

http://tiny.cc/fbf92

Martin G.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 05:20:37 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:20:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
In-Reply-To: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF365FAF-604A-4917-89EF-750889F68143@gmail.com>

Auto Express has zero credibility.

Remember 2-3 years ago when they announced the rebirth of Triumph? Complete
with the Triumph Motorcycle logo...

The headline should say, "Auto Express Art Department has been dreaming
again".


On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Martin C. Galan wrote:

> The MG7 sports saloon.
>
> http://tiny.cc/fbf92
>
> Martin G.
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 06:02:04 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:02:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
In-Reply-To: <FF365FAF-604A-4917-89EF-750889F68143@gmail.com>
References: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<FF365FAF-604A-4917-89EF-750889F68143@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <627454.4860.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I HOPE they've been dreaming.... The car looks like a Hyundai Sonata with a new 
Jetta front-end.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: Martin C. Galan <batangelias at yahoo.com>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 7:20:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG7

Auto Express has zero credibility.

Remember 2-3 years ago when they announced the rebirth of Triumph? Complete
with the Triumph Motorcycle logo...

The headline should say, "Auto Express Art Department has been dreaming
again".


On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Martin C. Galan wrote:

> The MG7 sports saloon.
>
> http://tiny.cc/fbf92
>
> Martin G.
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 07:46:25 2010
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
In-Reply-To: <627454.4860.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <478299.75549.qm@web112102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Seeing as how SAIC now owns a big chunk of GM, a Buick
based MG saloon makes some sense.  Buick has a very good
reputation in China and is GM's biggest-seller.  That's
why the brand survived the restructuring.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 10 08:07:45 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:07:45 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
References: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
	<FF365FAF-604A-4917-89EF-750889F68143@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7730180F3BB94F1280DCCFDE0D86D818@paul>

Otherwise known as 'Auto Distress'.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Auto Express has zero credibility.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 10:46:14 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:46:14 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MG7
In-Reply-To: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
References: <24072.35379.qm@web76912.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D026766.8030003@gmail.com>

On 12/9/2010 9:18 PM, Martin C. Galan wrote:
> The MG7 sports saloon.
>
> http://tiny.cc/fbf92
>
> Martin G.
Disappointing. Just another egg-car. Are all the good designers dead?

-Rocky Frisco
--

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 13 14:46:08 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:46:08 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Message-ID: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash (thereby
saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining the
knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots who
have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.

Any inventors out there?

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From degraff at erols.com  Mon Dec 13 15:16:51 2010
From: degraff at erols.com (Elliott and Martha DeGraff)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG-TD
Message-ID: <4D069B53.8000607@erols.com>

Next year, I'll send him $10 so he can buy a ticket for me.

http://www.rep-am.com/articles/2010/11/05/news/local/518938.txt

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 16:40:39 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8FF8FBD9-31F4-4E88-9867-B1B319BA0EAA@gmail.com>

I have found via experimentation that driving over lane divider "dots" will
usually restart a SU pump  if the road you are on does not have lane divider
dots the slamming of an MGB door with enough force will also restart a balky
pump.
Ask me how I know this...
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2010, at 13:46, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash (thereby
> saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining
the
> knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots who
> have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>
> Any inventors out there?
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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>
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 13 17:30:50 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:30:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <8FF8FBD9-31F4-4E88-9867-B1B319BA0EAA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hmm, didn't think of dots -- will try that. Certainly they appear frequently
enough to be actually useful. Doorslamming sounds a little brutal. I have
found that the extra-wide expansion joints at overcrossings provide plenty
of impact -- unfortunately the secondary effect is that they pop my bonnet
loose, causing a stop for that purpose.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 12/13/10 3:40 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> I have found via experimentation that driving over lane divider "dots" will
> usually restart a SU pump  if the road you are on does not have lane divider
> dots the slamming of an MGB door with enough force will also restart a balky
> pump. 
> Ask me how I know this...
> Rick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 13:46, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
>> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash (thereby
>> saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining the
>> knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots who
>> have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>> 
>> Any inventors out there?
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Dec 13 19:28:53 2010
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <B9A343C9-4314-42C9-81C8-34D44246CA40@tampabay.rr.com>

Max and others,
I tied a length of clothesline around the fuel pump of my 64 B with  
Rita jerking the rope when I yelled "Pull now"...got all the way to  
Peterboro, Canada for a meet.
But I do like your idea, a lot cleaner and not a muscle builder...
Dave Houser



On Dec 13, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip  
> hammer
> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash  
> (thereby
> saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and  
> ruining the
> knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor  
> sots who
> have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>
> Any inventors out there?
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From scvc70 at epix.net  Mon Dec 13 20:40:04 2010
From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<B9A343C9-4314-42C9-81C8-34D44246CA40@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <82CE206FB8B844D28F33775B1DEA49A8@computer624080>

The rumble strips along the shoulder on interstates do the same thing (saved 
us a lot of stops on the way back to PA from MG Indy '96 in the MGC). 
Seemed to work best when slowing down to <50.  We thought it was coincidence 
the first time we started to pull off the road; the second time, we realized 
that if the vibration was enough to rattle our teeth, it was doing the same 
thing to the fuel pump....

Hey, Dave Houser -- do you remember the 1986 Great American Race and the 
Spirit of Wilkes-Barre????

Sarah Carr & Durl Edwards



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity


>I have found via experimentation that driving over lane divider "dots" will
> usually restart a SU pump  if the road you are on does not have lane 
> divider
> dots the slamming of an MGB door with enough force will also restart a 
> balky
> pump.
> Ask me how I know this...
> Rick
>
> Sent from my iPhone

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W. David Houser" <mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity


> Max and others,
> I tied a length of clothesline around the fuel pump of my 64 B with  Rita 
> jerking the rope when I yelled "Pull now"...got all the way to  Peterboro, 
> Canada for a meet.
> But I do like your idea, a lot cleaner and not a muscle builder...
> Dave Houser

From riverside at southslope.net  Mon Dec 13 23:00:46 2010
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:00:46 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <010d01cb9b54$418626a0$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I had a very rusty BGT that I drove many a mile  over road bumps,potholes 
and rumble strips.
Now and then  my timing of traffic lights  would be off a bit and it would 
die in the middle of
an intersection. I got many looks of disdain when other drivers saw me get 
out, they thinking
that I was going to push it out of their way. Their disdain would turn to 
looks of amused
amazement as I would slowly walk around the back of the car, give it a swift 
kick just in
front of the wheel, walk slowly back around and get in, start up and drive 
away.

Ron Sanborn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity


> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash 
> (thereby
> saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining 
> the
> knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots 
> who
> have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>
> Any inventors out there?
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> _______________________________________________
>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Dec 14 03:58:08 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:58:08 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6165647DEBF240B2B977B2AE6E16142A@paul>

Remove battery cover, insert large screwdriver to rest on top of pump.  All 
but the smoothest of roads will cause the screwdriver to jiggle up and 
down...


----- Original Message ----- 
> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash... 

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 11:41:56 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:41:56 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4D07BA74.4040305@gmail.com>

On 12/13/2010 6:30 PM, Max Heim wrote:
> Hmm, didn't think of dots -- will try that. Certainly they appear frequently
> enough to be actually useful. Doorslamming sounds a little brutal. I have
> found that the extra-wide expansion joints at overcrossings provide plenty
> of impact -- unfortunately the secondary effect is that they pop my bonnet
> loose, causing a stop for that purpose.
I used to just turn the ignition switch off and on. That usually worked.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Dec 14 12:11:30 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:11:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <4D07BA74.4040305@gmail.com>
References: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4D07BA74.4040305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in 
the exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.

For many cases of a stubborn fuel pump, turning power off and back on 
can indeed provide a single click of the fuel pump.  Look at this 
diagram: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm
Under the bonnet, find terminal A3 on the fuse box that holds three 
white wires.  Disconnect the wire for the fuel pump.  You know you 
got the right one disconnected when you still have power to the 
ignition coil.  Connect the fuel pump power wire to the "L" terminal 
of the turn signal flasher unit nearby (Green/Brown), and drive 
on.  It may not tick the fuel pump fast enough for high speed, but 
could be good for about 45 mph.


At 12:41 PM 12/14/2010 -0600, The Roxter (Rocky Frisco) wrote:
>....
>I used to just turn the ignition switch off and on. That usually worked.
>....

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 12:23:57 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:23:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Very ingenious.

But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".

It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 11:11 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote:

> Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in
> the exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.
> 
> For many cases of a stubborn fuel pump, turning power off and back on
> can indeed provide a single click of the fuel pump.  Look at this
> diagram: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm
> Under the bonnet, find terminal A3 on the fuse box that holds three
> white wires.  Disconnect the wire for the fuel pump.  You know you
> got the right one disconnected when you still have power to the
> ignition coil.  Connect the fuel pump power wire to the "L" terminal
> of the turn signal flasher unit nearby (Green/Brown), and drive
> on.  It may not tick the fuel pump fast enough for high speed, but
> could be good for about 45 mph.
> 
> 
> At 12:41 PM 12/14/2010 -0600, The Roxter (Rocky Frisco) wrote:
>> ....
>> I used to just turn the ignition switch off and on. That usually worked.
>> ....

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Tue Dec 14 12:46:21 2010
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:46:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00a501cb9bc7$95a09f40$c0e1ddc0$@com>

My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.831.1142
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Very ingenious.

But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".

It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 13:02:46 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <00a501cb9bc7$95a09f40$c0e1ddc0$@com>
Message-ID: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hmm, I think the problem we have been discussing is generally acknowledged
as intermittent failure to actuate due to the points sticking.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 11:46 AM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
wrote:

> My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
> Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
> symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.
> 
> --
> Stephen West-Fisher
> Coastal Data Systems
> 727.831.1142
> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Max Heim
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
> To: MG List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
> 
> Very ingenious.
> 
> But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
> generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".
> 
> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue Dec 14 13:28:51 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:28:51 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <533EF60DA7404D84B39192584BA7A647@uw471de61b465c>

I've seen once a picture of a "new" GPS navigation kit in an American car 
('cause these are so big and offer plenty of room) of a young girl just 
fitting into the dahboard glove box........ guiding the lost driver to the 
right direction.

BTW I love your idea Max!
But it's better to fix the worn contacts.
I fixed mine by smoothen these by robbing these over a whetstone.
Adjusted these to the right settings and the pump works for years now 
without any hesitation.

Cheers!

Hans 71 BGT safely in the garage - well protected against the salty roads

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity


> I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
> that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash 
> (thereby
> saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining 
> the
> knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots 
> who
> have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>
> Any inventors out there?
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Dec 14 13:32:46 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:32:46 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <F6A11510-24B1-4C9C-A9AC-69DA40EC1BF7@ghs.com.au>

Why not simply fix the bloody fuel pump?  

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 15/12/2010, at 6:02 AM, Max Heim wrote:

> Hmm, I think the problem we have been discussing is generally acknowledged
> as intermittent failure to actuate due to the points sticking.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> 
> on 12/14/10 11:46 AM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
> wrote:
> 
>> My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
>> Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
>> symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen West-Fisher
>> Coastal Data Systems
>> 727.831.1142
>> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Max Heim
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
>> To: MG List
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
>> 
>> Very ingenious.
>> 
>> But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
>> generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".
>> 
>> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
>> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.
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Murray G. Arundell
Managing Director
GHS Pty Ltd
Glaziers Hardware Supplies
Brisbane, Australia
Phone:  +617 3277 1255
Fax:      +617 3875 1256
Email:   arundell at ghs.com.au  

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Tue Dec 14 13:45:20 2010
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <00a501cb9bc7$95a09f40$c0e1ddc0$@com>
	<C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00a901cb9bcf$d2e6d5b0$78b48110$@com>

OK, so how do you diagnose stuck points as opposed to a bad ground while
underway :-)
I've seen a number of MGs that had just recently had the fuel pump replaced
due to intermittent problems where the problem reappeared very shortly. Just
say'n.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.831.1142
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:03 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Hmm, I think the problem we have been discussing is generally acknowledged
as intermittent failure to actuate due to the points sticking.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 11:46 AM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
wrote:

> My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
> Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
> symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.
> 
> --
> Stephen West-Fisher
> Coastal Data Systems
> 727.831.1142
> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Max Heim
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
> To: MG List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
> 
> Very ingenious.
> 
> But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
> generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".
> 
> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 14:28:43 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:28:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4D07BA74.4040305@gmail.com>
	<452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On 12/14/2010 1:11 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote:
> Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in 
> the exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.
Ooh! That sounds exciting! I didn't do it long enough to accomplish that, just a momentary blip.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue Dec 14 14:36:22 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:36:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92BFABA.2DFBB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net><4D07BA74.4040305@gmail.com><452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D07E18B.8060901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <731F752CFFDD457C8B292E41591FE672@uw471de61b465c>

Talking about a blow - I once had a blow in the airfilter of a Buick Park 
Avenue.
Problem was caused by the engine not starting immediately and then the LPG 
gas still was flowing into the air intake.
A backfire ignited the highly flammable gas - a big hole in the airfilter 
housing was the result.

Since then I stay away from LPG fueled cars....

Cheers,
Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Roxter" <rocknatural at gmail.com>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity


> On 12/14/2010 1:11 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote:
>> Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in the 
>> exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.
> Ooh! That sounds exciting! I didn't do it long enough to accomplish that, 
> just a momentary blip.
>
> -Rocky Frisco
> -- 

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 14:39:50 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:39:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <00a901cb9bcf$d2e6d5b0$78b48110$@com>
Message-ID: <C92D2426.2E025%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, how would rapping the pump body with a hammer (or driving across a
rumble strip, etc.) clear up a bad ground? I can see how it "unsticks" the
points...

A pump that failed to respond to rapping might very well have a ground
problem, sure... (or it might just have good musical taste <g>).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 12:45 PM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
wrote:

> OK, so how do you diagnose stuck points as opposed to a bad ground while
> underway :-)
> I've seen a number of MGs that had just recently had the fuel pump replaced
> due to intermittent problems where the problem reappeared very shortly. Just
> say'n.
> 
> --
> Stephen West-Fisher
> Coastal Data Systems
> 727.831.1142
> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Max Heim
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: MG List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
> 
> Hmm, I think the problem we have been discussing is generally acknowledged
> as intermittent failure to actuate due to the points sticking.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> 
> on 12/14/10 11:46 AM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
> wrote:
> 
>> My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
>> Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
>> symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen West-Fisher
>> Coastal Data Systems
>> 727.831.1142
>> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Max Heim
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
>> To: MG List
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
>> 
>> Very ingenious.
>> 
>> But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
>> generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".
>> 
>> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
>> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 14:44:23 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:44:23 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <533EF60DA7404D84B39192584BA7A647@uw471de61b465c>
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<533EF60DA7404D84B39192584BA7A647@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <4D07E537.5080807@gmail.com>

On 12/14/2010 2:28 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
> I've seen once a picture of a "new" GPS navigation kit in an 
> American car ('cause these are so big and offer plenty of room) of a 
> young girl just fitting into the dahboard glove box........ guiding 
> the lost driver to the right direction.
>
> BTW I love your idea Max!
> But it's better to fix the worn contacts.
> I fixed mine by smoothen these by robbing these over a whetstone.
> Adjusted these to the right settings and the pump works for years 
> now without any hesitation.
Advice: don't ever use sandpaper on points. Even a stone is at least slightly suspect. Grit can get embedded in a point. IBM provided us with a "points file" when I worked for them in Toronto back in the 60s, but our favorite fix was an IBM card, since the paper had a tiny bit of abrasive built in.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 14:45:24 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:45:24 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <F6A11510-24B1-4C9C-A9AC-69DA40EC1BF7@ghs.com.au>
References: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<F6A11510-24B1-4C9C-A9AC-69DA40EC1BF7@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <4D07E574.10807@gmail.com>

On 12/14/2010 2:32 PM, Murray Arundell wrote:
> Why not simply fix the bloody fuel pump?
Hey! We're LBC owners! Never the easy way!

-Rocky Frisco
--

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Tue Dec 14 14:58:22 2010
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-Fisher)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92D2426.2E025%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <00a901cb9bcf$d2e6d5b0$78b48110$@com>
	<C92D2426.2E025%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00b901cb9bda$06c5c030$14514090$@com>

Shaking the connection can cause it to improve the ground if it is
loose/corroded. Any vibration can do it.
While I was thinking of the body connection since that is what I have seen
go bad (the one behind the number plate in the boot) I suppose it could also
happen at the pump end. I'm not talking about an open, just resistance in
the circuit so the ground wires go hot with a low voltage.

An interesting question is whether a bad ground could damage the points? I
know it can cause problems with aftermarket pumps.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.831.1142
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:40 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Well, how would rapping the pump body with a hammer (or driving across a
rumble strip, etc.) clear up a bad ground? I can see how it "unsticks" the
points...

A pump that failed to respond to rapping might very well have a ground
problem, sure... (or it might just have good musical taste <g>).

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Dec 14 14:58:44 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:58:44 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Message-ID: <20101214.165844.3492.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

Rocky,  Why the abrasive in the card stock? Was that to keep the brushes clean
as cards passed them?Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:44:23 -0600

Advice: don't ever use sandpaper on points. Even a stone is at least slightly
suspect. Grit can get embedded in a point. IBM provided us with a "points
file" when I worked for them in Toronto back in the 60s, but our favorite fix
was an IBM card, since the paper had a tiny bit of abrasive built in.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Dec 14 15:01:15 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:01:15 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Message-ID: <20101214.170115.3492.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

Hans,  Tell us more about the LPG Buick.   Was that a Buick option, something
done by a conversion shop, a conversion you made?Bob

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: "The Roxter" <rocknatural at gmail.com>, "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:36:22 +0100

Talking about a blow - I once had a blow in the airfilter of a Buick Park
Avenue.
Problem was caused by the engine not starting immediately and then the LPG
gas still was flowing into the air intake.
A backfire ignited the highly flammable gas - a big hole in the airfilter
housing was the result.

Since then I stay away from LPG fueled cars....

Cheers,
Hans

From barrie at look.ca  Tue Dec 14 14:55:19 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:55:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <533EF60DA7404D84B39192584BA7A647@uw471de61b465c>
References: <C92BD420.2DF9C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<533EF60DA7404D84B39192584BA7A647@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <E1PSdBu-0000V5-57@iota.look.ca>

You just have to be amazed at the new GPS system.  It is 
approximately 8.5 inches by 3.5 inches and less than 1/4 of an inch 
thick, but expands when required.  I uses no power and can be easily 
fitted into glove boxes or even coat pockets. When using it, it is 
more like a game as one has to use some mental constructive 
skills.  Fantastically accurate and never issues wrong directions.  I 
think they are sold by Rand McNally at a fantastically low price - 
Mind you they are not for idiots.


At 03:28 PM 12/14/2010, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
>I've seen once a picture of a "new" GPS navigation kit in an 
>American car ('cause these are so big and offer plenty of room) of a 
>young girl just fitting into the dahboard glove box........ guiding 
>the lost driver to the right direction.
>
>BTW I love your idea Max!
>But it's better to fix the worn contacts.
>I fixed mine by smoothen these by robbing these over a whetstone.
>Adjusted these to the right settings and the pump works for years 
>now without any hesitation.
>
>Cheers!
>
>Hans 71 BGT safely in the garage - well protected against the salty roads
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:46 PM
>Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
>
>
>>I'm thinking there would be a market for a solenoid-operated trip hammer
>>that would rap the fuel pump when you pressed a button on the dash (thereby
>>saving the embarassment of rolling to a stop on the shoulder and ruining the
>>knees of your chinos). It would be particularly useful to the poor sots who
>>have bolt-on wheels and aren't in the habit of carrying a lead hammer.
>>
>>Any inventors out there?
>>
>>--
>>
>>Max Heim
>>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705--721-9060 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 15:20:07 2010
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:20:07 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <F6A11510-24B1-4C9C-A9AC-69DA40EC1BF7@ghs.com.au>
References: <C92D0D66.2E012%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<F6A11510-24B1-4C9C-A9AC-69DA40EC1BF7@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <87F10C07-9F42-4AF6-BA28-F6792A8062F4@gmail.com>

In my case I was 50 miles from home and even though I had tools I did not have
a spare pump in the boot.
Good enough reason?
Rickll

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:32, Murray Arundell <arundell at ghs.com.au> wrote:

> Why not simply fix the bloody fuel pump?
>
> Murray Arundell
> Brisbane Australia
>
> On 15/12/2010, at 6:02 AM, Max Heim wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I think the problem we have been discussing is generally acknowledged
>> as intermittent failure to actuate due to the points sticking.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>>
>>
>>
>> on 12/14/10 11:46 AM, Stephen West-Fisher at steve at coastaldatasystems.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My experience with unreliable fuel pumps is actually due to a bad ground.
>>> Note that the ground is also shared by several rear lamps, really bizarre
>>> symptoms can occur when the ground goes "hot" due to the bad connection.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen West-Fisher
>>> Coastal Data Systems
>>> 727.831.1142
>>> http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Max Heim
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:24 PM
>>> To: MG List
>>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
>>>
>>> Very ingenious.
>>>
>>> But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
>>> generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".
>>>
>>> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
>>> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.
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From ronking at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 16:01:08 2010
From: ronking at sbcglobal.net (Ron King)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:01:08 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000501cb9be2$cb58f4f0$620aded0$@net>

Just a question from a lurker:  What about converting the point-based pump
to an electronic-based unit?  I remember Mark Evans did that on the "MG is
Reborn" series, and was thinking about that same conversion for my '71.

Ron King
'71 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:24 AM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Very ingenious.

But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".

It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 11:11 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote:

> Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in
> the exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.
> 
> For many cases of a stubborn fuel pump, turning power off and back on
> can indeed provide a single click of the fuel pump.  Look at this
> diagram: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm
> Under the bonnet, find terminal A3 on the fuse box that holds three
> white wires.  Disconnect the wire for the fuel pump.  You know you
> got the right one disconnected when you still have power to the
> ignition coil.  Connect the fuel pump power wire to the "L" terminal
> of the turn signal flasher unit nearby (Green/Brown), and drive
> on.  It may not tick the fuel pump fast enough for high speed, but
> could be good for about 45 mph.
> 
> 
> At 12:41 PM 12/14/2010 -0600, The Roxter (Rocky Frisco) wrote:
>> ....
>> I used to just turn the ignition switch off and on. That usually worked.
>> ....
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 14 16:17:07 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:17:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <87F10C07-9F42-4AF6-BA28-F6792A8062F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <285064311.802641.1292368627483.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

List,



My daughter's '72 MGB has had the same S.U. pump since I purchased the car for
her on her 16th birthday back in 1988. Although I cannot prove it, the pump
appeared to be that originally supplied with the car. When it left for North
Carolina this past September, the clock had 103,000 miles on it. Can't imagine
a much more dependable fuel pump than that. Should it quit sometime in the
future, why would I replace it with anything but a pump of the original
design: another S.U.??



I've had my '54 MG since 1966 and have changed the pump once. It probably quit
due to neglect and disuse. The car was left outside in the winter months
(covered) for many years. Also, the carbs have never been rebuilt and have
been adjusted only once or twice in the past 44 years. Granted, I don't drive
the car a whole lot, but, still, those figures seem to demonstrate pretty
dependable components.



My point is: The original stuff works just fine. I only wishB my own
componentsB performed as well as they did 30 or 40 years ago.



Ed Woods

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Dec 14 16:23:00 2010
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:23:00 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
Message-ID: <58261.7d34a96c.3a395654@aol.com>

There is something to that.
 
If an electronic pump dies, that's it, you aren't going anywhere.
 
If an original Lucas dies, you can usually coax a few more miles out of  it.
 
I think I prefer the Lucas!  Carry a point file and dress the points  if 
they start to erode and you can probably get a bunch more miles out of  it.  A 
perforated diaphragm is a bit more work but can also be  rectified.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 12/14/2010 3:17:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:

Should  it quit sometime in the
future, why would I replace it with anything but a  pump of the original
design: another  S.U.??

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 14 16:24:51 2010
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:24:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <87F10C07-9F42-4AF6-BA28-F6792A8062F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1959253963.803122.1292369091575.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

List,



My response to "It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for
someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably" is:



They did, when they built the car 40 years ago! And the great news is that you
can still find the parts to repair itB or anB identical one to replace it!



Ed Woods

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 16:31:29 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:31:29 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <285064311.802641.1292368627483.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C92D3E51.2E03B%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

It's true that my original pump did not give me serious trouble until about
200,000 miles (when it tried to strand me 350 miles from home, and 50 miles
from civilization). But at that point it was pretty worn out (not just the
points).

The replacement started giving trouble within 5000 miles. Examination shows
that the point mechanism is built much less precisely -- as assembled, the
moving arm was cocked and did not contact cleanly.

I really don't think I should be expected to have to disassemble and realign
this component every few months.

I would consider a solid-state version, except that I suspect that the build
quality would not be any better, and I doubt that it would respond to
"resuscitation by hammer".

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 12/14/10 3:17 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net at fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote:

> List,
> 
> 
> 
> My daughter's '72 MGB has had the same S.U. pump since I purchased the car for
> her on her 16th birthday back in 1988. Although I cannot prove it, the pump
> appeared to be that originally supplied with the car. When it left for North
> Carolina this past September, the clock had 103,000 miles on it. Can't imagine
> a much more dependable fuel pump than that. Should it quit sometime in the
> future, why would I replace it with anything but a pump of the original
> design: another S.U.??
> 
> 
> 
> I've had my '54 MG since 1966 and have changed the pump once. It probably quit
> due to neglect and disuse. The car was left outside in the winter months
> (covered) for many years. Also, the carbs have never been rebuilt and have
> been adjusted only once or twice in the past 44 years. Granted, I don't drive
> the car a whole lot, but, still, those figures seem to demonstrate pretty
> dependable components.
> 
> 
> 
> My point is: The original stuff works just fine. I only wishB my own
> componentsB performed as well as they did 30 or 40 years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Woods

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Dec 14 17:14:42 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:14:42 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <C92D3E51.2E03B%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <285064311.802641.1292368627483.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<C92D3E51.2E03B%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <854810.55797.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Max, -- Did your then new fuel pump points look like this: 
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm

Can you say when that pump was purchased?

It is approaching three years since I reported this problem with new 
SU fuel pumps manufactured by Burlen.  I got one intermediate 
response some months later from a reseller indicating that Burlen was 
ignoring the issue.  It is possible that this problem is related to a 
dingle production run, but mot necessarily.  In the absense of any 
positive response to fixing this problem, I can only recommend 
avoiding purchase of any Burlen products.  My friend who had the 
problams with this one got his money back and bought a good 
aftermarker fuel pump.


At 03:31 PM 12/14/2010 -0800, Max Heim wrote:
>It's true that my original pump did not give me serious trouble 
>until about 200,000 miles ....
>
>The replacement started giving trouble within 5000 miles. Examination shows
>that the point mechanism is built much less precisely -- as assembled, the
>moving arm was cocked and did not contact cleanly.
>....

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 17:52:29 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:52:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <20101214.165844.3492.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101214.165844.3492.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D08114D.4020207@gmail.com>

On 12/14/2010 3:58 PM, mgbob at juno.com wrote:
> Rocky,
>   Why the abrasive in the card stock? Was that to keep the brushes 
> clean as cards passed them?
Something like that, kept the card feed chutes clean, etc.

-Rocky Frisco
--

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 14 18:08:50 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:08:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <854810.55797.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C92D5522.2E04A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yes, exactly.

IIRC, I bought the pump about 2 years ago. It stopped working after some
period, which is when I took it apart and cleaned the contacts. Later, I
disassembled it again and I actually realigned some of the contacts with a
needlenose pliers. It was reliable for a 9 months to a year, but it's been
intermittently crapping out now for about 6 weeks, and it's been too wet for
me to feel like crawling under there and mucking about.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 12/14/10 4:14 PM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote:

> Max, -- Did your then new fuel pump points look like this:
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft037.htm
> 
> Can you say when that pump was purchased?
> 
> It is approaching three years since I reported this problem with new
> SU fuel pumps manufactured by Burlen.  I got one intermediate
> response some months later from a reseller indicating that Burlen was
> ignoring the issue.  It is possible that this problem is related to a
> dingle production run, but mot necessarily.  In the absense of any
> positive response to fixing this problem, I can only recommend
> avoiding purchase of any Burlen products.  My friend who had the
> problams with this one got his money back and bought a good
> aftermarker fuel pump.
> 
> 
> At 03:31 PM 12/14/2010 -0800, Max Heim wrote:
>> It's true that my original pump did not give me serious trouble
>> until about 200,000 miles ....
>> 
>> The replacement started giving trouble within 5000 miles. Examination shows
>> that the point mechanism is built much less precisely -- as assembled, the
>> moving arm was cocked and did not contact cleanly.
>> ....

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 19:45:38 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:45:38 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
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	<4D08114D.4020207@gmail.com>
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This is way off subject, and I'll probably get yelled at, but EBCDIC code was
formed the way it was with the big gaps because the original card readers
would get jammed with cards that had holes in those places.

On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:52 PM, The Roxter wrote:

> On 12/14/2010 3:58 PM, mgbob at juno.com wrote:
>> Rocky,
>>  Why the abrasive in the card stock? Was that to keep the brushes clean as
cards passed them?
> Something like that, kept the card feed chutes clean, etc.
>
> -Rocky Frisco
> --
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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Tue Dec 14 20:09:11 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:09:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
In-Reply-To: <C92D5522.2E04A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C92D5522.2E04A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a06240804c92ddfa4f073@[192.168.1.4]>

Mine too, orig to my 74 gt quit about 8 yrs ago. Purchased a SU 
replacment from Moss, lasted 2 months.
they replaced it, lasted about a year. Same problem with the points. 
I needed the car for a show and put in an electric universal pump 
from AC that I picked up from my local parts store.  the idea was to 
get it running and worry about it later.  Well, Adjusted to pressure 
to 3psi and it has be running ever since.
paul

-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Elec Eng Dept
201 Hopeman Bldg RC
Rochester NY 14627
585-275-5226

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Dec 15 01:59:50 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:59:50 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BD62EA1A911C493CB3B90758AB2E9276@paul>

They do for about 30k-40k, that's not unreliable in my book.  Like anything 
else parts wear and need attention.  Only a DP(resent)O ignores things that 
are obviously failing and I include myself in that, having ignored just such 
a problem once too often.  I cleaned and refaced the points, and checked the 
throw of the diaphragm, and used it to replace a 'pointless' pump that 
started short-stroking and causing fuel starvation and no amount of banging 
and fiddling 'fixed' that.  I had to wait by the roadside until it decided 
it was going to work properly again.  The correctly maintained points pump 
has since worked perfectly for many years.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
> provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.

From twobees at sprynet.com  Wed Dec 15 05:01:19 2010
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pumps
Message-ID: <000801cb9c4f$c9617d30$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Those of you getting 100,000+ miles from your original S.U. pumps should
consider yourselves lucky.

My first S.U. fuel pump experience was with a '57 Healey 100-6 I had back in
1964.  Pump quit while away from home.  Hammer therapy didn't work.  Removed
the one jump seat, the cover of the pump & manually pimped to get home.

Second was at Stratton Mt., VT with 3,000 miles on a new MGB.  Pump quit.
Fortunately a mechanic at the Texaco station downhill (We rolled it down
there) on Rt. 100 was able to get it working well enough for me to get back
to Jersey where I replaced it with an AC pump that never quit while I still
had the B.

Since then, one of the first tasks when I bought my other British cars was
to replace the S.U.pump if it still had one.

Norm

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 05:21:18 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:21:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
In-Reply-To: <000501cb9be2$cb58f4f0$620aded0$@net>
References: <452265.32798.qm@smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C92D044D.2E002%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<000501cb9be2$cb58f4f0$620aded0$@net>
Message-ID: <231798.72368.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I put in a generic electric pump in my '76 when my pump failed a couple of years 
ago. As long as you get the correct model
(i.e., PSI) then it's an easy conversion and works well. Just looks strange when 
compared to the original....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
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________________________________
From: Ron King <ronking at sbcglobal.net>
To: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>; MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 6:01:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Just a question from a lurker:  What about converting the point-based pump
to an electronic-based unit?  I remember Mark Evans did that on the "MG is
Reborn" series, and was thinking about that same conversion for my '71.

Ron King
'71 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:24 AM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity

Very ingenious.

But what I think is funny is that my somewhat facetious suggestion has
generated a long thread of real-world "solutions".

It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/14/10 11:11 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote:

> Switching ignition off and back on can also result in explosion in
> the exhaust system that can blow out a muffler.
> 
> For many cases of a stubborn fuel pump, turning power off and back on
> can indeed provide a single click of the fuel pump.  Look at this
> diagram: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/circ_i.htm
> Under the bonnet, find terminal A3 on the fuse box that holds three
> white wires.  Disconnect the wire for the fuel pump.  You know you
> got the right one disconnected when you still have power to the
> ignition coil.  Connect the fuel pump power wire to the "L" terminal
> of the turn signal flasher unit nearby (Green/Brown), and drive
> on.  It may not tick the fuel pump fast enough for high speed, but
> could be good for about 45 mph.
> 
> 
> At 12:41 PM 12/14/2010 -0600, The Roxter (Rocky Frisco) wrote:
>> ....
>> I used to just turn the ignition switch off and on. That usually worked.
>> ....
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From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 09:12:02 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:12:02 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reliable Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxSHL9eVfsHtccCaeMhKm+on2Hy9gO6mdn0h0y@mail.gmail.com>

A reliable fuel pump is a close as your NAPA store. J.C. Whitney has them
also. They come in several shapes, I prefer the JC cube pump wich can have
any one of several manufactures labels on it, or even none. The one you want
puts out 3 1/2 lbs of pressure. They work either positive or negative
ground.

I never knew how god the pumps were on the cars I bought so I added one of
the cube pumps (~$46. JC, $79 from Moss for the same pump) and a single
pole, double throw, center off switch. All three cars have them. Two of the
cars had their SU fail, but neither were stranded. Just a flick of the
switch, and we were back on the road.

Before there were collector MGs, I bought a clapped out Jaguar XK140. I
didn't know about defensive maneuvers, and carrying spare parts. While
driving in very rural Illinois, the car began to sputter. I had read both
the manual and the parts book carefully and in a stroke of inspiration,
knowing the fuel pump was located under the passengers side door, I , asked
my wife to slam her door. It worked, and every time the car faltered she
opened the door and slammed it. When I got to my destination I went to the
local BMC dealer and had a Bendix put in.

There is no reason to get stuck because of a fuel pump.

Jack .


It would seem that the real marketing opportunity would be for someone to
provide a standard configuration fuel pump that operated reliably.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From peter at nosimport.com  Wed Dec 15 12:34:18 2010
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:34:18 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Buying shock cores Charlotte NC
Message-ID: <20101215113432.SM01420@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com>

Looking to buy shock cores (used shocks).

Must be available for my brother-in-law to haul from Charlotte NC to 
Wisconsin December 21

He needs weight in his truck, and I need shocks.

Price depends on condition.

Contact me off-list   peter at nosimport.com

Thanks

Peter C

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Dec 15 12:53:24 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:53:24 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <20101214.170115.3492.1@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <D36DFDAE4B3A455C9116E944F7C7E137@uw471de61b465c>

Hi Bob,

This was a car used for taxi work. The car was converted to drive on LPG by an
LPG specialist.
After such a conversion the car must be tested by the official authorities.
Obviously they'll search for leaks.
LPG use to be quite popular as fuel in the seventies. At these days conversion
on carburettor engines was easy.
LPG fuel is cheap and very clean.
However the latest petrol (UK) / gas (USA) engines and their fuel injection
systems are not easy to convert to LPG, so this is costy. Also the milage is
less than normal petrol / gas fuel.
On top of this the LPG tank takes room from the boot space, or is built under
the car.
These tanks cannot be filled for 100% - 80% max is normal.
This will reduce the amount of miles you can drive per tank a lot.
I have drive three cars on LPG: twice a Peugeot 505 and one Chrysler Voyager
2.4 automatic.
In the Netherlands LPG conversion is very popular for typical the cars which
make a gurgle sounds (i.e. the big V8 blocks in Chevy's, Caddy's, but also in
big Mercs / BMW etc.

LPG converted cars are taxed overhere more heavily than their normal fueled
broyher models.
So currently the modern diesel cars are far more popular by the people who
drive a lot.
BTW - I know some MGB's, which have been converted to run on LPG. Very cheap
to drive, but the tank content is small, so the tank must be filled every 100
miles or so.


Hope this explains it a bit more.

Cheers,

Hans
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mgbob at juno.com
  To: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
  Cc: rocknatural at gmail.com ; mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity


  Hans,
    Tell us more about the LPG Buick.
     Was that a Buick option, something done by a conversion shop, a
conversion you made?
  Bob


  ---------- Original Message ----------
  From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
  To: "The Roxter" <rocknatural at gmail.com>, "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity
  Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:36:22 +0100

  Talking about a blow - I once had a blow in the airfilter of a Buick Park
  Avenue.
  Problem was caused by the engine not starting immediately and then the LPG
  gas still was flowing into the air intake.
  A backfire ignited the highly flammable gas - a big hole in the airfilter
  housing was the result.

  Since then I stay away from LPG fueled cars....

  Cheers,
  Hans

From montejane at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 13:07:47 2010
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:07:47 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] reliable fuel pumps
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1R9zFueXPhLjuZ8aSA4geunBJd4AaSwoeSeOK@mail.gmail.com>

I remember on my first B, a 68 that I bought in 72,  I would have to
periodically "thump" the fuel pump. Since it had wire wheels, I had just the
lead hammer I needed for this precision work.

I replaced a non-original SU fuel pump in my 79 B five or six years ago, and
have put about 15,000 miles on it, trouble-free.

On the 67B that I had for about 5 years, it had an electronic, aftermarket
pump, that proved reliable for the probably 20,000 miles I put on it.

I think I will try rebuilding the SU on the 79 when it finally goes south
because, as has been mentioned, at least you can "thump" it and usually get
on down the road. (I also carry a 10' piece of hose and a squeeze bulb
that I can route from the tank to the fuel line if worse comes to worse:).

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Dec 15 13:15:22 2010
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:15:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <20101214.165844.3492.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com><4D08114D.4020207@gmail.com>
	<986BF68E-EFAA-4FD7-B6D0-8B45CEE3AEB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5CD52F7221544C19505287DA67DD524@uw471de61b465c>

That's why Control Data Corp had their 405 card reader equipped with photo 
cells, which "read" the holes.
The reader was able to read 2,000 cars per minute and were very reliable!
Massive equipment it was! 
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-cdc-405-card-reader.jpg

The CDC 415 card punch had metal brushes as check method for the punched 
holes.
Most failing parts were .... the brushes.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-rKBal5LY1U/SUZCc9X3H7I/AAAAAAAAAvs/147L310EKio/1978_ICCC_CardPunch.jpg

Cheers,

Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "The Roxter" <rocknatural at gmail.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Market opportunity


> This is way off subject, and I'll probably get yelled at, but EBCDIC code 
> was
> formed the way it was with the big gaps because the original card readers
> would get jammed with cards that had holes in those places.
>
> On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:52 PM, The Roxter wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/2010 3:58 PM, mgbob at juno.com wrote:
>>> Rocky,
>>>  Why the abrasive in the card stock? Was that to keep the brushes clean 
>>> as
> cards passed them?
>> Something like that, kept the card feed chutes clean, etc.
>>
>> -Rocky Frisco
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed Dec 15 22:12:23 2010
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:12:23 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
Message-ID: <832oLPFLX2304S03.1292476343@web03.cms.usa.net>

Ha. I remember in my student days having my car just stall for "no reason",
and having it towed to the nearest AAA garage. They troubleshot the problem
as
the fuel pump, and gave me an estimate of hundreds for it's replacement. As a
curious person I asked how they knew that was the problem, and they told me
that they had rapped on it with a hammer and it started up again.
I said " so the car runs now" and they said "yes", and I went and paid for
their time and drove away.

Of course, sometime later the problem reappeared, and of course I was in the
countryside miles from anything and before mobile phones. So I find the fuel
pump and hit it again to no effect. Check that it has ground, which it does.
Check that it has +, which it does not. Find that I'm carrying a bit of
telephone wire in the car, and strip two ends to wedge one into the bullet
connector for the fuel pump and one under one end of the interior light bulb.
I then proceeded to drive for several weeks with a bit of wire running out
under the passenger door to under the car and to the fuel pump, switched on
for use by the dome light switch.

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Wed Dec 15 22:21:22 2010
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:21:22 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
Message-ID: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>

My MG is presently stored far from hone and I'd like to get it back, and I'm
considering flat-towing it behind the SUV. My wife hates traveling in two
cars, finding it very stressful to stay together, and she worries if we don't
stay together.

I've got the harbor-freight tow-bar, and a chrome front bumper on the GT that
is already quite pitted so I don't feel guilty about adding holes.

The receiver hitch on my soft-roader is 14 inches above the ground, and I'm
wondering how much of a "drop" I need to match the height of my MGB front
bumper, which is of course far away at the moment. Anyone have a handy
chrome-bumper MGB who could tell me the height of the bumper above the
ground?

Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly before, but not one
four-wheels down.

Douglas

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 01:52:25 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:52:25 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
References: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4CBFD7B8A8F9460E996A5B0BDE6F8F71@paul>

Does she never drive on her own?  Do you never drive on your own?  Just 
treat it as two separate drives that happen to be between the same A and B 
and don't *try* to stay together.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... My wife hates traveling in two
> cars, finding it very stressful to stay together, and she worries if we 
> don't
> stay together.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 01:50:22 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:50:22 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Market opportunity
References: <832oLPFLX2304S03.1292476343@web03.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4EE206681D7F4BC9B90AA6424E3FFC86@paul>

See what I mean about DP(resent)Os? :o)

----- Original Message ----- 
> I then proceeded to drive for several weeks with a bit of wire running out
> under the passenger door to under the car and to the fuel pump, switched 
> on
> for use by the dome light switch.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Dec 16 05:43:37 2010
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:13:37 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
References: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <63D77185-00FF-4ED9-8554-40D1153CA53E@erickson.on.net>

On 16/12/2010, at 3:51 PM, Douglas McKinnie wrote:
> 
> Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly before, but not one
> four-wheels down.
> 

To disconnect the drive shaft or not... that is the question.


Eric

From eugeneb at nni.com  Thu Dec 16 07:35:58 2010
From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <web-339391348@admin.nni.com>

Suggest renting a 4 wheel transporter from U-haul.  Worked
very well for me in back of my 2002 Explorer with trailer
towing package.

IMHO best and safest all around.

Gene 

80 B


On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:21:22 -0000
 "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net> wrote:
> My MG is presently stored far from hone and I'd like to
> get it back, and I'm
> considering flat-towing it behind the SUV. My wife hates
> traveling in two
> cars, finding it very stressful to stay together, and she
> worries if we don't
> stay together.
> 
> I've got the harbor-freight tow-bar, and a chrome front
> bumper on the GT that
> is already quite pitted so I don't feel guilty about
> adding holes.
> 
> The receiver hitch on my soft-roader is 14 inches above
> the ground, and I'm
> wondering how much of a "drop" I need to match the height
> of my MGB front
> bumper, which is of course far away at the moment. Anyone
> have a handy
> chrome-bumper MGB who could tell me the height of the
> bumper above the
> ground?
> 
> Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly
> before, but not one
> four-wheels down.
> 
> Douglas
> _______________________________________________
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 07:57:04 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:57:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <web-339391348@admin.nni.com>
References: <web-339391348@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <95962BA1-95B2-4992-A0BD-6B3FF8899A94@gmail.com>

I towed my TR7 from Orange County to San Diego. The transmission had broken.
The flat tow completely eliminated any chance of fixing the transmission.

That said, that 5 speed is completely different from the MG's 4 speed. The 5
speed has an oil pump that is dependent on the tranny turning in the right
direction. The 4 speed does not have that.

To eliminate any chance of transmission damage, pull the drive shaft, it only
takes a couple minutes. But it really shouldn't be a problem for short (100
miles) distances.

The SUV should be fine towing the B. My brother and I once towed home a Datsun
2000 roadster race car with a Datsun 1600 roadster. 120 miles. Boy was that
fun. :-)

Paul.


On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Eugene Balinski wrote:

> Suggest renting a 4 wheel transporter from U-haul.  Worked
> very well for me in back of my 2002 Explorer with trailer
> towing package.
>
> IMHO best and safest all around.
>
> Gene
>
> 80 B
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:21:22 -0000
> "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net> wrote:
>> My MG is presently stored far from hone and I'd like to
>> get it back, and I'm
>> considering flat-towing it behind the SUV. My wife hates
>> traveling in two
>> cars, finding it very stressful to stay together, and she
>> worries if we don't
>> stay together.
>>
>> I've got the harbor-freight tow-bar, and a chrome front
>> bumper on the GT that
>> is already quite pitted so I don't feel guilty about
>> adding holes.
>>
>> The receiver hitch on my soft-roader is 14 inches above
>> the ground, and I'm
>> wondering how much of a "drop" I need to match the height
>> of my MGB front
>> bumper, which is of course far away at the moment. Anyone
>> have a handy
>> chrome-bumper MGB who could tell me the height of the
>> bumper above the
>> ground?
>>
>> Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly
>> before, but not one
>> four-wheels down.
>>
>> Douglas
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From scvc70 at epix.net  Thu Dec 16 09:22:00 2010
From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
References: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4D28443A226D42D8B67129402BFD2574@computer624080>

So far you've been told everything except what you originally asked!  So I 
just went downstairs and measured our chrome-bumper car -- the center of the 
bumper is 14" from the floor.

Sarah Carr
'71 B-GT in PA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas McKinnie" <d.mckinnie at usa.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:21 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing


> My MG is presently stored far from hone and I'd like to get it back, and 
> I'm
> considering flat-towing it behind the SUV. My wife hates traveling in two
> cars, finding it very stressful to stay together, and she worries if we 
> don't
> stay together.
>
> I've got the harbor-freight tow-bar, and a chrome front bumper on the GT 
> that
> is already quite pitted so I don't feel guilty about adding holes.
>
> The receiver hitch on my soft-roader is 14 inches above the ground, and 
> I'm
> wondering how much of a "drop" I need to match the height of my MGB front
> bumper, which is of course far away at the moment. Anyone have a handy
> chrome-bumper MGB who could tell me the height of the bumper above the
> ground?
>
> Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly before, but not one
> four-wheels down.
>
> Douglas

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Dec 16 11:36:58 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:36:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <95962BA1-95B2-4992-A0BD-6B3FF8899A94@gmail.com>
References: <web-339391348@admin.nni.com>
	<95962BA1-95B2-4992-A0BD-6B3FF8899A94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank goodness, someone finally answered the original question.

Can't let this bit of misinfornation lie though.  Perhaps TR7 is 
different from MGB.  The MGB 4-speeed does have an oil pump on the 
output shaft that works whenever the rear wheels are traveling in 
forward  direction.  These cars can be flat towed any distance without harm.


At 08:57 AM 12/16/2010 -0600, Paul Root wrote:
>I towed my TR7 from Orange County to San Diego. The transmission had broken.
>The flat tow completely eliminated any chance of fixing the transmission.
>
>That said, that 5 speed is completely different from the MG's 4 speed. The 5
>speed has an oil pump that is dependent on the tranny turning in the right
>direction. The 4 speed does not have that.
>....

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 11:42:40 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:42:40 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <web-339391348@admin.nni.com>
	<95962BA1-95B2-4992-A0BD-6B3FF8899A94@gmail.com>
	<893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14D8661F-470B-4085-B7C8-B09E1EC83F51@gmail.com>

Ok, I didn't know that about the 4 speed. I thought I remembered being told
otherwise.

I was shown the TR7s 5speed oil pump, and had explained to me why the flat
towing destroyed it, way back in the day.



On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote:

> Thank goodness, someone finally answered the original question.
>
> Can't let this bit of misinfornation lie though.  Perhaps TR7 is different
from MGB.  The MGB 4-speeed does have an oil pump on the output shaft that
works whenever the rear wheels are traveling in forward  direction.  These
cars can be flat towed any distance without harm.
>
>
> At 08:57 AM 12/16/2010 -0600, Paul Root wrote:
>> I towed my TR7 from Orange County to San Diego. The transmission had
broken.
>> The flat tow completely eliminated any chance of fixing the transmission.
>>
>> That said, that 5 speed is completely different from the MG's 4 speed. The
5
>> speed has an oil pump that is dependent on the tranny turning in the right
>> direction. The 4 speed does not have that.
>> ....

From steve at shoyer.com  Thu Dec 16 11:49:44 2010
From: steve at shoyer.com (Steve Shoyer)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:49:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>

Does adding an overdrive make a difference, or is it still safe to tow flat?

--Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net On Behalf Of Barney Gaylord
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flat towing
...
The MGB 4-speeed does have an oil pump on the output shaft that works
whenever the rear wheels are traveling in forward  direction.  These cars
can be flat towed any distance without harm.
...

From doug at embarqmail.com  Thu Dec 16 12:11:52 2010
From: doug at embarqmail.com (Doug)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <63D77185-00FF-4ED9-8554-40D1153CA53E@erickson.on.net>
References: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
	<63D77185-00FF-4ED9-8554-40D1153CA53E@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <70662196925746229A6A7BB68B3C64FB@Doug>

I just recently sold my tow dolly as I purchased a car hauler to get all
four tires off the ground.  Much easier, safer, and smarter.  The tow dolly
was a great tool, and cost much less than a full sized trailer, but you
can't easily back up, take super sharp turns (can handle most turns), and
you always have the rear axle in motion.  It is also a tad bit more
difficult to safely load a car on a tow dolly than it is a full size
trailer.  Look around for a good used trailer.  I purchased my tow dolly
years ago for $225 (needed work), but got the trailer for $1200, which
included winch, battery, tool box and all the needed tackle.  Find one that
sits low to the ground as it makes for an easy load too.

Pros on the tow dolly are: less weight, less space in back yard, and less
expensive to maintain.  But the pros on the full size trailer out weigh the
tow dolly by far, especially on safety for the car in tow.....not to mention
it doesn't get near as dirty from the travels, and the trailer takes the
abuse from the road instead of the vehicle in tow.

Hope this helps......

Doug
54 MGA
71 MGB
Florida



-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Eric Erickson
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:44 AM
To: MGList List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flat towing

On 16/12/2010, at 3:51 PM, Douglas McKinnie wrote:
> 
> Any tips on flat-towing? I've pulled a car on a dolly before, but not one
> four-wheels down.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Dec 16 12:01:10 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:01:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <274046.64286.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The MGB overdrive unit has separate oil reservoir and has it's own 
internal lube system.  This is also okay with flat towing, and has no 
effect on the 4-speed mechanicals.


At 01:49 PM 12/16/2010 -0500, Steve Shoyer wrote:
>Does adding an overdrive make a difference, or is it still safe to tow flat?
>....


>-----Original Message-----
>From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net On Behalf Of Barney Gaylord
>...
>The MGB 4-speeed does have an oil pump on the output shaft that 
>works whenever the rear wheels are traveling in 
>forward  direction.  These cars can be flat towed any distance without harm.

From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Thu Dec 16 12:25:52 2010
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1A52F76AF8AA4563882AE193534503F7@EricJRussellPC>

 > I would have to periodically "thump" the fuel pump...

It is likely I've told this story before but why should that stop me?

I bought my MGA when I was in high school (1970). When the fuel pump needed 
frequent whacks to keep running I removed it and took inside to my Dad's 
basement workshop. I had it partially disassembled when Dad happened to walk 
by. He stopped and in a more angry than curious voice he asked, "where did 
you get that?"

I explained that it was the fuel pump from my MG and I was fixing it because 
it kept getting stuck due to worn/burned points.

My Dad was am aircraft mechanic who was trained by the Army Air Corps as a 
pilot during WW2. He flew C47's in the India/China/Burma theater. After the 
war he flew for Northeast Airlines and later Delta.

Anyway, my Dad said the mechanism for the running lights in the C47 (also 
known as the DC3) looked exactly like the SU fuel pump.

He said that had recently been in the captain's seat of a DC9 (twin engine 
jet) waiting to take off from Boston's Logan airport. A cargo DC3 was at the 
head of the line but the control tower would not give them permission to 
take off because their running lights were not flashing. The lights would 
turn on but not flash. After many frustrating minutes waiting as the DC3's 
crew tried to fix the lights my Dad broke in over the radio and said, "pilot 
of DC3, tell your navigator to thump the panel above his right knee with his 
fist."

There was a moment of radio silence then the DC3's running lights began to 
flash.

"DC3 - clear for take off".


Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell 

From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Thu Dec 16 12:26:42 2010
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <91D397DF4143400085AD175D5C445B2D@EricJRussellPC>

> I would have to periodically "thump" the fuel pump...

It is likely I've told this story before but why should that stop me?

I bought my MGA when I was in high school (1970). When the fuel pump needed
frequent whacks to keep running I removed it and took inside to my Dad's
basement workshop. I had it partially disassembled when Dad happened to walk
by. He stopped and in a more angry than curious voice he asked, "where did
you get that?"

I explained that it was the fuel pump from my MG and I was fixing it because
it kept getting stuck due to worn/burned points.

My Dad was am aircraft mechanic who was trained by the Army Air Corps as a
pilot during WW2. He flew C47's in the India/China/Burma theater. After the
war he flew for Northeast Airlines and later Delta.

Anyway, my Dad said the mechanism for the running lights in the C47 (also
known as the DC3) looked exactly like the SU fuel pump.

He said that had recently been in the captain's seat of a DC9 (twin engine
jet) waiting to take off from Boston's Logan airport. A cargo DC3 was at the
head of the line but the control tower would not give them permission to
take off because their running lights were not flashing. The lights would
turn on but not flash. After many frustrating minutes waiting as the DC3's
crew tried to fix the lights my Dad broke in over the radio and said, "pilot
of DC3, tell your navigator to thump the panel above his right knee with his
fist."

There was a moment of radio silence then the DC3's running lights began to
flash.

"DC3 - clear for take off".


Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 13:01:32 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:01:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <1A52F76AF8AA4563882AE193534503F7@EricJRussellPC>
References: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<1A52F76AF8AA4563882AE193534503F7@EricJRussellPC>
Message-ID: <61AC0ADB-6506-4E69-BA6C-243200E46565@gmail.com>

great story!

On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Eric J Russell wrote:

> > I would have to periodically "thump" the fuel pump...
>
> It is likely I've told this story before but why should that stop me?
>
> I bought my MGA when I was in high school (1970). When the fuel pump needed
frequent whacks to keep running I removed it and took inside to my Dad's
basement workshop. I had it partially disassembled when Dad happened to walk
by. He stopped and in a more angry than curious voice he asked, "where did you
get that?"
>
> I explained that it was the fuel pump from my MG and I was fixing it because
it kept getting stuck due to worn/burned points.
>
> My Dad was am aircraft mechanic who was trained by the Army Air Corps as a
pilot during WW2. He flew C47's in the India/China/Burma theater. After the
war he flew for Northeast Airlines and later Delta.
>
> Anyway, my Dad said the mechanism for the running lights in the C47 (also
known as the DC3) looked exactly like the SU fuel pump.
>
> He said that had recently been in the captain's seat of a DC9 (twin engine
jet) waiting to take off from Boston's Logan airport. A cargo DC3 was at the
head of the line but the control tower would not give them permission to take
off because their running lights were not flashing. The lights would turn on
but not flash. After many frustrating minutes waiting as the DC3's crew tried
to fix the lights my Dad broke in over the radio and said, "pilot of DC3, tell
your navigator to thump the panel above his right knee with his fist."
>
> There was a moment of radio silence then the DC3's running lights began to
flash.
>
> "DC3 - clear for take off".
>
>
> Eric Russell
> Mebane, NC
> http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell
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>
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From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 13:33:15 2010
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:33:15 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] 20th Anniversary
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=FHBGKbrw2q6n=np0bB8aOiW7uzLVphmT16QQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I'm sending this to you because I don't know who else to send it to. When I
joined in '95 I joined a vibrant, alive, group of wonderful, interesting
people .I didn't realize the club was only five years old.

I just want to express my appreciation to the folks who started it, those
who maintained it, and those who presently carry the torch.

THANK YOU!

CU ;;in Reno,

Jack

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:04:45 2010
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:04:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] SU fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <1A52F76AF8AA4563882AE193534503F7@EricJRussellPC>
References: <mailman.1285.1292511406.23296.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<1A52F76AF8AA4563882AE193534503F7@EricJRussellPC>
Message-ID: <4D0AB72D.30800@gmail.com>

On 12/16/2010 1:25 PM, Eric J Russell wrote:
> > I would have to periodically "thump" the fuel pump...
>
> It is likely I've told this story before but why should that stop me?
>
> I bought my MGA when I was in high school (1970). When the fuel pump 
> needed frequent whacks to keep running I removed it and took inside 
> to my Dad's basement workshop. I had it partially disassembled when 
> Dad happened to walk by. He stopped and in a more angry than curious 
> voice he asked, "where did you get that?"
>
> I explained that it was the fuel pump from my MG and I was fixing it 
> because it kept getting stuck due to worn/burned points.
>
> My Dad was am aircraft mechanic who was trained by the Army Air 
> Corps as a pilot during WW2. He flew C47's in the India/China/Burma 
> theater. After the war he flew for Northeast Airlines and later Delta.
>
> Anyway, my Dad said the mechanism for the running lights in the C47 
> (also known as the DC3) looked exactly like the SU fuel pump.
>
> He said that had recently been in the captain's seat of a DC9 (twin 
> engine jet) waiting to take off from Boston's Logan airport. A cargo 
> DC3 was at the head of the line but the control tower would not give 
> them permission to take off because their running lights were not 
> flashing. The lights would turn on but not flash. After many 
> frustrating minutes waiting as the DC3's crew tried to fix the 
> lights my Dad broke in over the radio and said, "pilot of DC3, tell 
> your navigator to thump the panel above his right knee with his fist."
>
> There was a moment of radio silence then the DC3's running lights 
> began to flash.
>
> "DC3 - clear for take off".
Well, it worked for the Millennium Falcon.


-Rocky Frisco
--

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 01:57:55 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:57:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
References: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<274046.64286.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <225FD0A52444400E9963C463D5A50343@paul>

The oil is shared between OD and gearbox.  The OD has its own pump and that 
and the gearbox 'pump' will be driven when towing as long as the OD is 
working correctly.  If there is a fault which means the car free-wheels with 
OD switched out then neither pump will be driven.  Oil level also needs to 
be correct.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The MGB overdrive unit has separate oil reservoir and has it's own 
> internal lube system.  This is also okay with flat towing, and has no 
> effect on the 4-speed mechanicals.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Dec 17 08:34:30 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:34:30 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <225FD0A52444400E9963C463D5A50343@paul>
References: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<274046.64286.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<225FD0A52444400E9963C463D5A50343@paul>
Message-ID: <461880.40425.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Quaint thought, but no.  The oil is shared, so to speak, but I seem 
to recall the OD unit will not drain unless you remove a second drain 
plug.  But as long a ther s oil inside, it's a mute point.

The OD unit had two modes of operation, engaged or not engaged.  To 
be engaged requirees electrical switch on and motion to create oil 
pressure.  In either case the OD input shaft is always driven by the 
output shaft when towing.  OD input is close coupled to the gearbox 
mainshaft so both turn together, and both oil pumps operate.

For the gearbox input to be stationary when towing, the clutch/brake 
lining must be worn away to nothing or some gearing must be broken, 
resulting in not driving the OD input shaft.  If the OD unit is 
broken in any way that omits driving the OD input shaft, then nothing 
in the main gearbx turns and no damage there.  Of course the broken 
OD unit will not heal itself, so needs to be repaired 
anyway.  Perhaps you can speculate if more damage might acrue to the 
broken OD unit if towed.

One thing is for sure in any case of normal operation or towing. If 
there is no oil in the gearbox you're just screwed, so check and top 
up gearbox oil before moving the car.


At 08:57 AM 12/17/2010 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote:
>The oil is shared between OD and gearbox.  The OD has its own pump 
>and that and the gearbox 'pump' will be driven when towing as long 
>as the OD is working correctly.  If there is a fault which means the 
>car free-wheels with OD switched out then neither pump will be 
>driven.  Oil level also needs to be correct.
>....
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>The MGB overdrive unit has separate oil reservoir and has it's own 
>>internal lube system.  This is also okay with flat towing, and has 
>>no effect on the 4-speed mechanicals.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 09:28:37 2010
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:28:37 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
References: <893356.53476.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0ML6mf-1PTZtB3t0z-000DRB@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<274046.64286.qm@smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<225FD0A52444400E9963C463D5A50343@paul>
	<461880.40425.qm@smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC6ED2F5177543F0A4E4151A169B0B38@paul>

Having changed oil and cleaned filters on both mine very little oil came out 
when removing the sump from the OD after having drained the gearbox via its 
drain plug.  The concept of the OD being engaged when towing surely doesn't 
arise, moot or not.  Other than that we seem to be in agreement.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Quaint thought, but no.  The oil is shared, so to speak, but I seem to 
> recall the OD unit will not drain unless you remove a second drain plug. 
> But as long a ther s oil inside, it's a mute point.
>
> The OD unit had two modes of operation, engaged or not engaged... 

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Fri Dec 17 16:28:19 2010
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I am an audiophile of sorts and came across an article on a band that
caught my attention because of the picture on the cover of their new
album. The URL for the site was a bit long so I tried to find a better
reference to post - found the one below for the band with a couple more
pictures:



http://www.myspace.com/filetones



Check the car, top picture on the left hand side, which is the picture
on the new album cover. I don't know anything else about the band or
their music (a Spanish band), just the picture that caught my eye.



David Councill

64 B

67 BGT

72 B

From don at napanet.net  Fri Dec 17 16:41:03 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:41:03 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <20101217234115.9DC58AE682@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Not a good sign-  the bonnet is open and the car owner is trying to 
repair it!  I guess if they were driving in a Miata, the bonnet would 
be shut and they would still be travelling along which make the 
photo-op impossible!







Don Scott
Calistoga CA USA
1966 TR4A
1962 MGA Mk 2
1973 MGB GT (selling)
1963-7 MGB (seeking)
Misc. Japanese cars



At 03:28 PM 12/17/2010, Councill, David wrote:
>I am an audiophile of sorts and came across an article on a band that
>caught my attention because of the picture on the cover of their new
>album. The URL for the site was a bit long so I tried to find a better
>reference to post - found the one below for the band with a couple more
>pictures:
>
>
>
>http://www.myspace.com/filetones
>
>
>
>Check the car, top picture on the left hand side, which is the picture
>on the new album cover. I don't know anything else about the band or
>their music (a Spanish band), just the picture that caught my eye.
>
>
>
>David Councill
>
>64 B
>
>67 BGT
>
>72 B

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri Dec 17 16:59:31 2010
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:29:31 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
In-Reply-To: <20101217234115.9DC58AE682@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<20101217234115.9DC58AE682@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <31849CA6-18BB-4C01-9151-42D569400AFE@erickson.on.net>

On 18/12/2010, at 10:11 AM, Don wrote:

> Not a good sign-  the bonnet is open and the car owner is trying to repair
it!  I guess if they were driving in a Miata, the bonnet would be shut and
they would still be travelling along which make the photo-op impossible!
>


Or, more likely, if they were driving a Mazda the bonnet would be shut and
they would be on the phone to roadside assistance  ;-)

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Fri Dec 17 18:28:53 2010
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:28:53 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
In-Reply-To: <31849CA6-18BB-4C01-9151-42D569400AFE@erickson.on.net>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<20101217234115.9DC58AE682@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<31849CA6-18BB-4C01-9151-42D569400AFE@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <F2D49643-558D-4A6A-977E-FC495E2F5877@ghs.com.au>

What? People drive MX-5/Miatas?  I thought they were only for parking outside
trendy coffee shops.....


On 18/12/2010, at 9:59 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> On 18/12/2010, at 10:11 AM, Don wrote:
>
>> Not a good sign-  the bonnet is open and the car owner is trying to repair
> it!  I guess if they were driving in a Miata, the bonnet would be shut and
> they would still be travelling along which make the photo-op impossible!
>>
>
>
> Or, more likely, if they were driving a Mazda the bonnet would be shut and
> they would be on the phone to roadside assistance  ;-)
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 17 18:56:50 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:56:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
In-Reply-To: <F2D49643-558D-4A6A-977E-FC495E2F5877@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <C93154E2.2E17E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Ha, just got off the phone. My friend's Miata died a few miles from here.
AAA told him the battery was OK, so he was asking me what the problem was
(like I could diagnose it over the phone -- I suggested the alternator,
anyway). He was having it towed home, then would have to have it towed to
his mechanic on Monday. I offered him my MGB for the weekend, with the
caveat that he'd probably have to apply the hammer from time to time. He
said no thanks...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

[These chappies just seem to lack the proper sporting attitude...]



on 12/17/10 5:28 PM, Murray Arundell at arundell at ghs.com.au wrote:

> What? People drive MX-5/Miatas?  I thought they were only for parking outside
> trendy coffee shops.....
> 
> 
> On 18/12/2010, at 9:59 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:
> 
>> On 18/12/2010, at 10:11 AM, Don wrote:
>> 
>>> Not a good sign-  the bonnet is open and the car owner is trying to repair
>> it!  I guess if they were driving in a Miata, the bonnet would be shut and
>> they would still be travelling along which make the photo-op impossible!
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Or, more likely, if they were driving a Mazda the bonnet would be shut and
>> they would be on the phone to roadside assistance  ;-)

From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 19:58:56 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593DB26@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <SNT124-w29CFB21D98509137B1CE3EB7170@phx.gbl>

My TF was on the cover of an album a few years back... well, CD cover.  I'll
have to dig around and see if I can turn it up.

> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:28:19 -0700
> From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu
> To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Interesting album cover
>
> I am an audiophile of sorts and came across an article on a band that
> caught my attention because of the picture on the cover of their new
> album. The URL for the site was a bit long so I tried to find a better
> reference to post - found the one below for the band with a couple more
> pictures:
>
>
>
> http://www.myspace.com/filetones
>
>
>
> Check the car, top picture on the left hand side, which is the picture
> on the new album cover. I don't know anything else about the band or
> their music (a Spanish band), just the picture that caught my eye.
>
>
>
> David Councill
>
> 64 B
>
> 67 BGT
>
> 72 B
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>
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Dec 18 14:15:41 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:15:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flat towing
In-Reply-To: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
References: <967oLPFuw2912S02.1292476882@web02.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4D0D247D.2070500@ktc.com>

  I towed my '69 B from TX to  NH and back with all 4 down and the 
driveshaft connected.  That was when it had no overdrive.  Haven't towed 
it since I put the o'drive tranny in.   I'd figured to disconnect the 
driveshaft if I towed it again.  Interesting, for that reason, to see 
the exchange between Paul & Barney about towing an o'drive equipped B.

About towing from the bumper:  I'm not sure that's such a hot idea 
because the bumper is awfully thin metal, unless the GT bumper is 
heavier gauge than the roadster's.
I had a local welding shop make up a 3" angle-iron "bumper" that bolted 
to the B's bumper brackets and bolted my universal towbar's brackets 
onto that.  Was real handy too; I could disconnect the car  from the 
towbar by pulling two pins at the brackets.  It looked pretty good on 
the car too, once I painted it black. :-)    I still have that hardware 
if you want a pic.

CR

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Dec 18 15:20:28 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:20:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] reliable fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1R9zFueXPhLjuZ8aSA4geunBJd4AaSwoeSeOK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik1R9zFueXPhLjuZ8aSA4geunBJd4AaSwoeSeOK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0D33AC.8070502@ktc.com>

When the pump quit on my B - bought used - the problem wasn't the pump; 
it was a bad ground in the boot.  B owners need to attend to that 
connection periodically.  Furthermore, I found that someone had 
jury-rigged a Midget pump into the car!  I spent quite a few coins 
returning the pump and fuel lines back to original with parts bought 
from Moss.   Happily I can report that the replacement SU pump has been 
trouble-free since spring '99.

CR

From itswonderful at comcast.net  Mon Dec 20 22:09:41 2010
From: itswonderful at comcast.net (Frank Marrone)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:09:41 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Muffler info needed
Message-ID: <003601cba0cd$47e7e230$d7b7a690$@comcast.net>

Can someone give me the stock dimensions for a 1973 MGB-GT muffler?

Also, are there recommendations for a performance muffler that will fit in
the stock locations?  I have a 2.25" single exhaust back to the muffler
location.  I'm a little on the old side so I prefer something a little on
the quiet side.  Louder than stock ok but not looking to attract a lot of
attention attention.

Frank

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue Dec 21 14:38:17 2010
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:38:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
Message-ID: <006501cba157$7346af30$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Frank:

Having had 4 MGB's I think can help.

With '65 B, I tried eliminating the front muffler as it too often got caught
on my driveway.  N.G.  Too loud, even for the young buck I was at the time.
With the '80, stock system gave way to Abarth, smaller diameter than yours.
Not much different than stock in sound.
With the '66, I went from Abarth to SuperTrapp to Peco.
    SuperTrapp did a good job of silencing, and you can get a variety of
inlet sizes.  Only problem was engineering the exhaust pipe route.  Not
easy.  Sound was different.  In fact I used to park in an underground garage
& one day got out of the B while it was running.  At idle it sounded like a
small-block Chevy V-8.  Remove the baffles & it roared.
    Peco was just a big muffler in the position of the usual rear one.  It
had a rumble, but wasn't annoyingly loud on the highway.  For racing, I just
removed the muffler & installed a straight pipe.  Easy to do at the track.

Norm

From itswonderful at comcast.net  Tue Dec 21 20:34:22 2010
From: itswonderful at comcast.net (Frank Marrone)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:34:22 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
In-Reply-To: <006501cba157$7346af30$6401a8c0@normoffice>
References: <006501cba157$7346af30$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <001c01cba189$205194c0$60f4be40$@comcast.net>

Thanks Norm.  

 

Were your SuperTrapp and Peco systems  single muffler systems?  

 

I want to try to stuff as big of a muffler can as I can in the stock rear
location and try to get by with a single muffler.  I'm hoping to fit a 6"
round X 18" long muffler in the stock location.  Will that fit?  

 

Frank

 

 

From: Norm 2Bs [mailto:twobees at sprynet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:38 PM
To: itswonderful at comcast.net; MG Digest
Subject: Mgs] Muffler info needed

 

Frank:

 

Having had 4 MGB's I think can help.

 

With '65 B, I tried eliminating the front muffler as it too often got caught
on my driveway.  N.G.  Too loud, even for the young buck I was at the time.

With the '80, stock system gave way to Abarth, smaller diameter than yours.
Not much different than stock in sound.

With the '66, I went from Abarth to SuperTrapp to Peco.

    SuperTrapp did a good job of silencing, and you can get a variety of
inlet sizes.  Only problem was engineering the exhaust pipe route.  Not
easy.  Sound was different.  In fact I used to park in an underground garage
& one day got out of the B while it was running.  At idle it sounded like a
small-block Chevy V-8.  Remove the baffles & it roared.

    Peco was just a big muffler in the position of the usual rear one.  It
had a rumble, but wasn't annoyingly loud on the highway.  For racing, I just
removed the muffler & installed a straight pipe.  Easy to do at the track.

 

Norm

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From mrkshrmn at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 22 12:37:27 2010
From: mrkshrmn at hotmail.com (MARK SHERMAN)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:37:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Muffler info needed
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=O0106N=OhmhkTay+BQsxb1YZiP4nGCZrmRQy2@mail.gmail.com>

Frank:

Have you considered a Cherry Bomb?

I have one in my TD and it works great.

Mark Sherman

From thgun at comporium.net  Wed Dec 22 15:28:52 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA clutch cylinder
Message-ID: <B661DE10B7A04D2F8C5CFAEE49DC108E@TOMPC>

I replaced the rubber parts in my brake and cluch cylinder. I honed the
cylinders. The brake bleeds and comes uo to preasure fine but the cluch
plunger wants to stick and will not come up to preasure. Any ideas?
Tom Gunderson ,1957 ,1500 MGA rst

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Dec 22 16:02:28 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:02:28 GMT
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
Message-ID: <20101222.180228.19471.7@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

  It should fit.  The rear muffler of the Falcon stainless system, seemingly
identical to OEM, is 16 3/8" long, 5 1/4 diameter.Bpb

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Frank Marrone" <itswonderful at comcast.net>
To: <twobees at sprynet.com>, "'MG Digest'" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:34:22 -0800

Thanks Norm.



Were your SuperTrapp and Peco systems  single muffler systems?



I want to try to stuff as big of a muffler can as I can in the stock rear
location and try to get by with a single muffler.  I'm hoping to fit a 6"
round X 18" long muffler in the stock location.  Will that fit?



Frank





From: Norm 2Bs [mailto:twobees at sprynet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:38 PM
To: itswonderful at comcast.net; MG Digest
Subject: Mgs] Muffler info needed



Frank:



Having had 4 MGB's I think can help.



With '65 B, I tried eliminating the front muffler as it too often got caught
on my driveway.  N.G.  Too loud, even for the young buck I was at the time.

With the '80, stock system gave way to Abarth, smaller diameter than yours.
Not much different than stock in sound.

With the '66, I went from Abarth to SuperTrapp to Peco.

    SuperTrapp did a good job of silencing, and you can get a variety of
inlet sizes.  Only problem was engineering the exhaust pipe route.  Not
easy.  Sound was different.  In fact I used to park in an underground garage
& one day got out of the B while it was running.  At idle it sounded like a
small-block Chevy V-8.  Remove the baffles & it roared.

    Peco was just a big muffler in the position of the usual rear one.  It
had a rumble, but wasn't annoyingly loud on the highway.  For racing, I just
removed the muffler & installed a straight pipe.  Easy to do at the track.



Norm

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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Wed Dec 22 17:20:24 2010
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
In-Reply-To: <20101222.180228.19471.7@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101222.180228.19471.7@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <a06240800c9384529ce88@[192.168.1.4]>

Frank,  I have on my 74 GT a SS Falcon system and have eliminated the 
center muffler.  Realy I came about this when the center muffler 
became damaged from a curb . So I went to a muffler shop they made up 
a pipe to replace the center and have just used the rear muffler . 
That was 12 years ago. sounds good and give good MPG.

paul


>
>---------- Original Message ----------
>From: "Frank Marrone" <itswonderful at comcast.net>
>To: <twobees at sprynet.com>, "'MG Digest'" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:34:22 -0800
>
>Thanks Norm.
>
>
>
>Were your SuperTrapp and Peco systems  single muffler systems?
>
>
>
>I want to try to stuff as big of a muffler can as I can in the stock rear
>location and try to get by with a single muffler.  I'm hoping to fit a 6"
>round X 18" long muffler in the stock location.  Will that fit?
>
>
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Norm 2Bs [mailto:twobees at sprynet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:38 PM
>To: itswonderful at comcast.net; MG Digest
>Subject: Mgs] Muffler info needed
>
>
>
>Frank:
>
>
>
>Having had 4 MGB's I think can help.
>
>
>
>With '65 B, I tried eliminating the front muffler as it too often got caught
>on my driveway.  N.G.  Too loud, even for the young buck I was at the time.
>
>With the '80, stock system gave way to Abarth, smaller diameter than yours.
>Not much different than stock in sound.
>
>With the '66, I went from Abarth to SuperTrapp to Peco.
>
>     SuperTrapp did a good job of silencing, and you can get a variety of
>inlet sizes.  Only problem was engineering the exhaust pipe route.  Not
>easy.  Sound was different.  In fact I used to park in an underground garage
>& one day got out of the B while it was running.  At idle it sounded like a
>small-block Chevy V-8.  Remove the baffles & it roared.
>
>     Peco was just a big muffler in the position of the usual rear one.  It
>had a rumble, but wasn't annoyingly loud on the highway.  For racing, I just
>removed the muffler & installed a straight pipe.  Easy to do at the track.
>
>
>
>Norm
>
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From stargazer1 at cox.net  Wed Dec 22 17:31:47 2010
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:31:47 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA clutch cylinder
In-Reply-To: <B661DE10B7A04D2F8C5CFAEE49DC108E@TOMPC>
References: <B661DE10B7A04D2F8C5CFAEE49DC108E@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <4D129873.1080505@cox.net>

On 12/22/2010 2:28 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote:
> I replaced the rubber parts in my brake and cluch cylinder. I honed the
> cylinders. The brake bleeds and comes uo to preasure fine but the cluch
> plunger wants to stick and will not come up to preasure. Any ideas?
> Tom Gunderson ,1957 ,1500 MGA rst
Did you use Moss kits? My recent experience with their seal kits is 
showing a 60% failure rate.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Dec 22 17:41:28 2010
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:11:28 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs] Muffler info needed
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c9384529ce88@[192.168.1.4]>
References: <20101222.180228.19471.7@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>
	<a06240800c9384529ce88@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <42444577-466E-4E8C-B589-016571475446@erickson.on.net>

On 23/12/2010, at 10:50 AM, Paul Osborne wrote:

> Frank,  I have on my 74 GT a SS Falcon system and have eliminated the center
muffler.  Realy I came about this when the center muffler became damaged from
a curb . So I went to a muffler shop they made up a pipe to replace the center
and have just used the rear muffler . That was 12 years ago. sounds good and
give good MPG.
>

Strange indeed - because that is exactly what I did (and the reason I did it)
about four months ago.

Works and sounds better than ever!



Eric

PS My exhaust guys are fantastic... they didn't charge me a cent (after the
last "free job" I stuck one of their stickers on my car... I guess they are
now just another sponsor  ;-)

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Wed Dec 22 23:02:55 2010
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:02:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGA clutch cylinder
In-Reply-To: <B661DE10B7A04D2F8C5CFAEE49DC108E@TOMPC>
References: <B661DE10B7A04D2F8C5CFAEE49DC108E@TOMPC>
Message-ID: <189771.8515.qm@smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Which "clutch plunger"?    Master or slave cylinder?

If the master cylinder piston sticks in the depressed position, use 
air pressure to return it.  Cycle it as many times as is required to 
get it to return freely with spring force only.  This should have 
been done on the bench before installation.

The slave cylinder generally cannot stick in the extended position, 
because of about 200 pounds of return force on the slave pushrod from 
the pressure plate.  If it does not fully release after a few 
strokes, it is because the master cylinder is retaining 
pressure.  That would usually be from master pushrod with preload and 
no clearance at rest.  If the slave does not advance, you have air in 
the circuit that beeds bleeding.

Bleeding the MG cluch circuit can be a bit tricky, but always 
succeeds when you understand how it works.  See here: 
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/hydraulics/ht106.htm


At 05:28 PM 12/22/2010 -0500, Tom Gunderson wrote:
>I replaced the rubber parts in my brake and cluch cylinder. I honed 
>the cylinders. The brake bleeds and comes uo to preasure fine but 
>the cluch plunger wants to stick and will not come up to preasure. Any ideas?
>....

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Dec 23 05:50:45 2010
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:50:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] For Dave Houser
In-Reply-To: <003601cba0cd$47e7e230$d7b7a690$@comcast.net>
References: <003601cba0cd$47e7e230$d7b7a690$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D1345A5.50605@ktc.com>

Dave, I replied to your last Email but got a bounce message back.  Did 
you change your address?

CR

From don at napanet.net  Thu Dec 23 15:51:35 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:51:35 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
Message-ID: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of 
MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three 
MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.

However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash 
B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for 
a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74 
.  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it 
is in decent shape.

I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I 
found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.




[]


<http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The 
Rattling Road to Reno

My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the 
day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years 
old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...

from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine  

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 23 17:54:56 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:54:56 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>

Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly step-child? 
I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.

Larry



-----Original Message----- 
From: Don
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs

Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.

However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
.  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
is in decent shape.

I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.




[]


<http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The
Rattling Road to Reno

My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the
day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years
old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...

from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 23 18:17:47 2010
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:17:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <441429.73979.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Mainly because they had the mandated safety-padded dashboard - the 'pillow' dash 
- that eliminated the glovebox..... Many people think it
is quite ugly. Personally, I am okay with it.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
twitter: dandibiase





________________________________
From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net; Don <don at napanet.net>
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 7:54:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGBs

Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly step-child? 
I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.

Larry



-----Original Message----- 
From: Don
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs

Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.

However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
.  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
is in decent shape.

I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.




[]


<http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The
Rattling Road to Reno

My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the
day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years
old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...

from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine
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From don at napanet.net  Thu Dec 23 18:26:35 2010
From: don at napanet.net (Don)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:26:35 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <20101224012649.E5336AE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>

 From 1968 on the MGBs were changed a lot from the Mk 1 cars destined 
for the the US.  Smog equipment on the engine, padded dashboard sans 
a glove box, upholstery design changed as were interior door latches, 
reflectors on the sides, rocker switches in place of toggles.  They 
also had synchromesh on 1st gear, but the gearshift was not as 
precise in my opinion.  I believe that was also when they went to 
dual brake master cylinder, which isn't a bad thing to have if your 
brakes fail.



At 04:54 PM 12/23/2010, Larry Daniels wrote:
>Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly step-child?
>I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.
>
>Larry
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don
>Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
>To: mgs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
>
>Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
>MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
>MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.
>
>However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
>B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
>a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
>.  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
>is in decent shape.
>
>I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
>found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.
>
>
>
>
>[]
>
>
><http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The
>Rattling Road to Reno
>
>My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the
>day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years
>old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...
>
>from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine
>_______________________________________________

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 18:30:54 2010
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:30:54 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
Message-ID: <FFC20281-B8E8-4463-A8E1-6D3E42C2D7A3@gmail.com>

It was the first years with emission controls. Air pump etc.

It's another of those ridiculous things that people try to separate cars of
negligible difference.


On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly step-child?
> I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
>
> Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
> MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
> MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.
>
> However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
> B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
> a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
> .  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
> is in decent shape.
>
> I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
> found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.
>
>
>
>
> []
>
>
> <http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The
> Rattling Road to Reno
>
> My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the
> day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years
> old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...
>
> from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 23 18:41:52 2010
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <FFC20281-B8E8-4463-A8E1-6D3E42C2D7A3@gmail.com>
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net>
	<DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC>
	<FFC20281-B8E8-4463-A8E1-6D3E42C2D7A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87EA3AFD045240A4BF04EA1EE435B890@HomePC>

Thanks to all who responded -- both on-list and off.  Some good points were 
made on both sides.

Larry



-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Root
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:30 PM
To: Larry Daniels
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net ; Don
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGBs

It was the first years with emission controls. Air pump etc.

It's another of those ridiculous things that people try to separate cars of 
negligible difference.


On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly 
> step-child?
> I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Don
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
>
> Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
> MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
> MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.
>
> However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
> B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
> a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
> .  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
> is in decent shape.
>
> I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
> found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.
>
>
>
>
> []
>
>
> <http://www.sportscarmarket.com/columns/2764-the-rattling-road-to-reno>The
> Rattling Road to Reno
>
> My first car was a 1959 Bug Eye Sprite that I bought in 1966, on the
> day I turned 16 and got my license. The Bug Eye was just seven years
> old at the time. Today, we think nothing of buying a seven-yea...
>
> from the Wednesday, 22 December 2010 Issue of Sports Car Market magazine
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From craigstraub at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 23 20:44:08 2010
From: craigstraub at sbcglobal.net (Craig Straub)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:44:08 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Mikuni Side Draft
References: <20101223225146.26A8BAE667@mail.dsl.napanet.net><DBCC4960593C455DBE55AA51BCEBD4FB@HomePC><FFC20281-B8E8-4463-A8E1-6D3E42C2D7A3@gmail.com>
	<87EA3AFD045240A4BF04EA1EE435B890@HomePC>
Message-ID: <D84B8DED484D49C780CD444351E5F202@DELL>

Anyone out there using a Mikuni Side Draft?

Need information.

Right now the car runs rough.  Not planning to take it out much before 
spring.  Just need to get on it right after the first of the year.

Thanks,

Craig 

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Fri Dec 24 13:55:22 2010
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:55:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Holiday
Message-ID: <4D1508BA.7000601@wi.net>

Whatever your persuasion, it's the spirit behind the present Holiday 
that counts.

Wishing all those on the list and their families a very Merry Christmas 
and all the best in the ensuing New Year!

In short, may all your LBC's start and run well.

Dave W.

59 :{)
59 MGA 1500
Burlington WI

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Sat Dec 25 16:10:00 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:10:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli Makahiki Hou
Message-ID: <d7e53.3e7713f7.3a47d3c8@aol.com>

Hey MGer's...
Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli  Makahiki Hou  - Merry Christmas and a Happy 
New Year.  
--=Safety-Fast!=--
Alberto Escalante (Looking for le MG perfect!) 

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Sat Dec 25 23:52:18 2010
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (dwoerpel at wi.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:52:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mgs] Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli Makahiki Hou
In-Reply-To: <d7e53.3e7713f7.3a47d3c8@aol.com>
References: <d7e53.3e7713f7.3a47d3c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56550.70.8.0.204.1293346338.squirrel@wm.wi.net>

Mahalo nui loa!

Dave W.



> Hey MGer's...
> Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli  Makahiki Hou  - Merry Christmas and a Happy
> New Year.
> --=Safety-Fast!=--
> Alberto Escalante (Looking for le MG perfect!)

From thgun at comporium.net  Sun Dec 26 12:43:07 2010
From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] BRAKE AND CLUTCH MASTER REBUILD 1500 MGA
Message-ID: <635820929B1B44C1BC694466F47EB325@TOMPC>

Where can I get the correct parts?
Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA 1500 rst

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Dec 27 10:33:50 2010
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:33:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli Makahiki Hou
In-Reply-To: <56550.70.8.0.204.1293346338.squirrel@wm.wi.net>
References: <d7e53.3e7713f7.3a47d3c8@aol.com>
	<56550.70.8.0.204.1293346338.squirrel@wm.wi.net>
Message-ID: <E1PXHIr-0003ZJ-Gj@epsilon.look.ca>

Come on chaps, I speak four different languages but Outer Mongolian 
defeats me !! (In case one does not understand English humour, this 
is said tongue in cheek)



At 01:52 AM 12/26/2010, dwoerpel at wi.net wrote:
>Mahalo nui loa!
>
>Dave W.
>
>
>
> > Hey MGer's...
> > Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli  Makahiki Hou  - Merry Christmas and a Happy
> > New Year.
> > --=Safety-Fast!=--
> > Alberto Escalante (Looking for le MG perfect!)
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Regards

Barrie
barrie at look.ca
705--721-9060  

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Mon Dec 27 14:58:53 2010
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:58:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli Makahiki Hou
Message-ID: <1474c.707e6ad3.3a4a661d@aol.com>

Oye Barrie, Tengase un Gran y Prospero Aqo Nuevo, and, Guy Fawkes  yourself
on Nov. 5th ("the only man ever to enter Parliament with honest
intentions")
-=Safety-Fast!=-
Alberto--(8^)
-------------------
In a message dated 12/27/2010 1:06:26 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
barrie at look.ca writes:
Come on chaps, I speak four different  languages but Outer Mongolian
defeats me !! (In case one does not understand  English humour, this is said
tongue in cheek)
Regards

Barrie
_barrie at look.ca_ (mailto:barrie at look.ca)
705--721-9060

At 01:52 AM 12/26/2010, dwoerpel at wi.net wrote:
Mahalo nui  loa!
Dave W.
-----------------------------------------
Hey MGer's...
Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hau'oli  Makahiki Hou  -  Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year.
--=Safety-Fast!=--
Alberto  Escalante (Looking for le MG perfect!)
_______________________________________________

From j_cahoon at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 15:44:01 2010
From: j_cahoon at yahoo.com (John Cahoon)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:44:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Roadster fenders 74-80 rubber bumoer cars
Message-ID: <64400.20233.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

all

RE:  MGB Roadster fenders 1974(1/2) to 1980 rubber bumoer cars

I have acquired several pairs of NOS Tanger [NOT HERITAGE] steel fenders [part 
number 1348 & 1349]. I estimate that they are at least 20 years old. They have 
been in a relatively dry storage area and are rust free to tracr surface rust. 
These are to be listed with EBAY and perhaps Amazon BUT I wanted to give any 
subscribers first pick. These were described to me as "being a poor fit and 
requiring time to refit correctly'. That being said MOSS is $800 each and VB is 
$600 each. List member may have them for $222 each plus shipping [Greyhound 
recommended as this is very low cost].

Please respond directly to j_cahoon at yahoo.com if interested.

I apologize if I am breaking any rules here.

John Cahoon
Cleveland, Ohio
440 257-3847

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 28 13:26:41 2010
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:26:41 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
In-Reply-To: <87EA3AFD045240A4BF04EA1EE435B890@HomePC>
Message-ID: <C93F8801.2E3A5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Besides the "pillow", the dash also featured much smaller instrument faces,
and the access to the back of the dash was very tight. This plastic panel is
usually in pretty bad shape, so that is one more thing to deal with.

Each of these model years (68-69-70) had one or more "one year only" quirks
that make it more complicated to work on (although some consider that part
of the fun).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 12/23/10 5:41 PM, Larry Daniels at ladaniels at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Thanks to all who responded -- both on-list and off.  Some good points were
> made on both sides.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Root
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 7:30 PM
> To: Larry Daniels
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net ; Don
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGBs
> 
> It was the first years with emission controls. Air pump etc.
> 
> It's another of those ridiculous things that people try to separate cars of
> negligible difference.
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:
> 
>> Don, or anyone else, why are the 68-70 Bs treated like the ugly
>> step-child?
>> I'm not overly well-versed on the differences.
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don
>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:51 PM
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Mgs] MGBs
>> 
>> Looks like Keith Martin of Sports Car Market fame shares my love of
>> MGBs.  In the article linked below he says he wants to purchase three
>> MGBs for a family pilgrimage to the MG meet in Reno.
>> 
>> However, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can find a steel-dash
>> B that is in good shape for $5,000.  He wants to find three MGBs for
>> a total of cost of under $15,000.  Says he wants 1963-67 or '71-'74
>> .  He may find '71-'74 Bs for that price, but not an early one if it
>> is in decent shape.
>> 
>> I have been searching for an early MGB for some time now, and if I
>> found a nice one for less than $10,000 I would feel very lucky.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> []