From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 1 03:08:52 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:08:52 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Heater valve References: <6425A7912E5341CAA01CF130ED0EE93A@TOMPC> Message-ID: Have you tried putting the bolts through the valve flange before offering-up the valve to the head? That's worked for me when removing or replacing the mechanical cooling fan, which otherwise would entail removal (or tipping forwards) of the radiator. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I am putting my cylinder head and all the parts back together for my 1500 >mga. > Does anybody have a better way to put the heater valve back on the head > after > the head is mounted. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 1 07:56:38 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:56:38 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Heater valve References: <6425A7912E5341CAA01CF130ED0EE93A@TOMPC><309423.60337.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <40b437200910312208m2581cee9yc37e9504c4afdd1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214BD9A5E9B4C16A3ECE23236E1F5BD@paul> Bolts with pointed ends are usually use where there are caged nuts, the point aligns the nut with the bolt making it much easier for the threads to start. The bracket at the bottom of the windscreen tie-bar is a case in point. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > If I recall correctly, the bolts that secure the heater valve in my > car have pointed ends. It is possible that some electrolytic action > caused this, but I don't think so. From thgun at comporium.net Sun Nov 1 15:16:36 2009 From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] carb linkage Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for support on my heater valve. I will be getting the stud bolts together on Monday. Now I need to find a diagram on the linkage for the carbs and the small copper vacume pipe. I have a manual and that shows the exploded view of the linkage but I would like to find a pic or diagram of the linkage hooked up. Can anyone tell me where it find that? Tom Gunderson 1957 mga 1500 rst From redscirocco at hotmail.com Sun Nov 1 21:34:34 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:34:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] carb linkage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, I happen to have the HS4s off my TF at the moment, so I could shoot a few photos of the linkage from several different angles if you'd like. I could get to it late tomorrow afternoon. -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT '54 MG TF 1250 '73 Midget '51 Willys M38 > From: thgun at comporium.net > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:16:36 -0500 > Subject: [Mgs] carb linkage > > Thanks to everyone for support on my heater valve. I will be getting the stud > bolts together on Monday. Now I need to find a diagram on the linkage for the > carbs and the small copper vacume pipe. I have a manual and that shows the > exploded view of the linkage but I would like to find a pic or diagram of the > linkage hooked up. Can anyone tell me where it find that? > > Tom Gunderson > 1957 mga 1500 rst _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 2 01:54:57 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:54:57 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] carb linkage References: Message-ID: There are some from MGBs at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_fuelframe.htm then click on 'SU Carbs' and 'Return Springs ...' etc. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... I have a manual and that shows the > exploded view of the linkage but I would like to find a pic or diagram of > the > linkage hooked up. From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 2 05:53:22 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:53:22 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] carb linkage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <607713.29001.qm@smtp116.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> At 05:16 PM 11/1/2009 -0500, Tom Gunderson wrote: >.... Now I need to find a diagram on the linkage for the >carbs and the small copper vacume pipe. I have a manual and that shows the >exploded view of the linkage but I would like to find a pic or diagram of the >linkage hooked up. Can anyone tell me where it find that? >.... Pictures are a bit difficult with engine in the car, but here are a few: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/pics/su9.jpg http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/pics/ac13.jpg http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/pics/ac14.jpg http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/pics/vent_pipes1.jpg Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 07:17:25 2009 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:17:25 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, and didn't smell. I never heard of this before. Has anyone? Jack From Frankk12 at verizon.net Tue Nov 3 08:13:42 2009 From: Frankk12 at verizon.net (Frank Krajewski) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jack: To be safe I use both mothballs and dryer sheets and have not had any rodet problems. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Feldman" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage >I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. > > The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in > the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, > and didn't smell. > > I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ From redscirocco at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 08:31:58 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:31:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've heard the same thing, but I don't know if it's a fairy tale or solid advice. Anyway, I'll be giving it a try this year, too, since my garage is basically a mouse superhighway. > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:17:25 -0600 > From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com > To: healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage > > I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. > > The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in > the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, > and didn't smell. > > I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > > Jack _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ptrmgb at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 09:23:12 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:23:12 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I also put in a plumbing test plug in the tail pipe to keep the critters from going in there. On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Frank Krajewski wrote: > Jack: To be safe I use both mothballs and dryer sheets and have not > had any rodet problems. > Frank Krajewski > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Feldman" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage > > >> I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, >> rodents. >> >> The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry >> softener in >> the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than >> mothballs, >> and didn't smell. >> >> I never heard of this before. Has anyone? >> >> Jack From mgbob at juno.com Tue Nov 3 09:28:08 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:28:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: <20091103.112808.952.14.MGBOB@juno.com> Some report good results with sheets of laundry softener. Shout (TM) softener sheets didn't work against fieldmice for me last winter. They set up housekeeping again in the passenger-side bonnet hinge area of my MGB-GT, and used the softener sheets to add comfort to the nest. But, they also occupied the space a couple of years before, when they, or some other critters, removed the mothballs from the dish set just outside the hinge area. My test results have been inconclusive, except that they do seem to prefer pink fiberglass insulation to yellow fiberglass insulation. There may be a phD study in this--city mice v country mice, young v old, red v blue paint, etc---lots of variables to consider. I will be using mothballs again this winter. Carpets in one car are wool, which is a factor for me, and the mothball smell is so strong that it _should_ be working against mice, just as bitter cough syrups work better than tasty ones. Bob On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:17:25 -0600 Jack Feldman writes: > I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, > rodents. > > The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry > softener in the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than > mothballs, and didn't smell. > > I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > > Jack ____________________________________________________________ Free Sunroom Estimates Find top-rated sunroom pros and get multiple free estimates today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=XS8-PMMP3-2MzlXhf8d1ywAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAAICIwD4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIYNQAAAAA= From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 3 12:18:33 2009 From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:18:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF08209.7010909@camden.rutgers.edu> I'll stick my nose in this discussion. I used those sheets last year on the advice of the president of our club, the BMCSNJ, and whereas I had tell-tale signs of mouse hibernation the previous years, even with mothballs, at least where the mothballs were not, I had no signs last year. The car was stored in a barn in the flatlands and farmlands (synonyms) of New Jersey. Bill Saidel '74 & '76 MGB BMCSNJ Jack Feldman wrote: > I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. > > The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in > the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, > and didn't smell. > > I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- William Saidel Department of Biology & Laboratory for Neuromorphonomy & Center for Computational & Integrative Biology Rutgers University Science Building, Room B-4 315 Penn Street Camden, NJ 08102-1411 856 225-6336 From barrie at look.ca Tue Nov 3 13:49:41 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:49:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com > References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in the spring !!! At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: >I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. > >The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in >the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, >and didn't smell. > >I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > >Jack > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 3 16:05:24 2009 From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:05:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Barrie, where do you get lion's pee? I have a deer problem. Bill Barrie Robinson wrote: > I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that > under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in the > spring !!! > > > At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: >> I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, >> rodents. >> >> The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry >> softener in >> the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than >> mothballs, >> and didn't smell. >> >> I never heard of this before. Has anyone? >> >> Jack >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 -- William Saidel Department of Biology & Laboratory for Neuromorphonomy & Center for Computational & Integrative Biology Rutgers University Science Building, Room B-4 315 Penn Street Camden, NJ 08102-1411 856 225-6336 From WSpohn4 at aol.com Tue Nov 3 17:24:03 2009 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:24:03 EST Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: You get it from a lion. And you do it veeerrry carefully...... Bill In a message dated 11/3/2009 3:57:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, saidel at camden.rutgers.edu writes: Barrie, where do you get lion's pee? I have a deer problem. From twobees at sprynet.com Tue Nov 3 17:28:56 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: <01a701ca5ce5$cc646c40$6401a8c0@normoffice> Back when I had my MGB in Connecticut, I used perforated 35mm film canisters (plastic) filled with mothballs in the 2 compartments at the rear sides of the underhood area. Seemed to work well. Although I did use the B even in the winter with snow tires. So, it never sat very long. Down here in Florida, my Turner & Alfa reside in a heated, air-conditioned garage. And, snakes are more of a problem than mice for obvious reasons. Norm Sippel From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 3 17:41:03 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:41:03 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: Getting the lion isn't hard to do, but how do you get him to pee on a rag? Larry -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Saidel" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: "Barrie Robinson" Cc: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Barrie, where do you get lion's pee? I have a deer problem. Bill Barrie Robinson wrote: > I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that > under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in the > spring !!! > > > At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: >> I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, >> rodents. >> >> The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry >> softener in >> the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than >> mothballs, >> and didn't smell. >> >> I never heard of this before. Has anyone? >> >> Jack >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 -- William Saidel Department of Biology & Laboratory for Neuromorphonomy & Center for Computational & Integrative Biology Rutgers University Science Building, Room B-4 315 Penn Street Camden, NJ 08102-1411 856 225-6336 Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From redscirocco at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:57:15 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:57:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No problem, I happen to have a small lion. Well, he thinks so, anyway. > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:49:41 -0500 > To: qualitas.jack at gmail.com; healeys at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > From: barrie at look.ca > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage > > I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that > under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in > the spring !!! > > > At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: > >I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. > > > >The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in > >the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, > >and didn't smell. > > > >I never heard of this before. Has anyone? > > > >Jack _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From barrie at look.ca Tue Nov 3 18:13:41 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:13:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: Bill, Make a noise like a piece of meat, then when the lion approaches you light a match. The lion will try and put the fire out so he can eat the meat ..............???? But personally I have never tried this At 06:05 PM 11/3/2009, Bill Saidel wrote: >Barrie, where do you get lion's pee? I have a deer problem. >Bill > > > >Barrie Robinson wrote: >>I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that >>under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in >>the spring !!! >> >> >>At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: >>>I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, rodents. >>> >>>The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry softener in >>>the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than mothballs, >>>and didn't smell. >>> >>>I never heard of this before. Has anyone? >>> >>>Jack >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>Mgs at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >>> >>>http://www.team.net/archive >> >>Regards >> >>Barrie >>(705) 721-9060 > >-- >William Saidel >Department of Biology & > Laboratory for Neuromorphonomy & > Center for Computational & Integrative Biology >Rutgers University >Science Building, Room B-4 >315 Penn Street >Camden, NJ 08102-1411 > >856 225-6336 Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From g.schnittke at comcast.net Tue Nov 3 20:24:33 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:24:33 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: <4AF0F3F1.4080709@comcast.net> I don't know about mice, but I heard about them as mosquito repellent and they work like a charm. Stuck one in my shirt pocket and no bites at the end of the day. g -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller From kgrowler at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:28:22 2009 From: kgrowler at gmail.com (Kim Tonry) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:28:22 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage Message-ID: Got to say iI found it funny to read this discussion and then look up and see the context sensitive ad on the GMail page is for Bounce softener sheets. Maybe I should click on the link and see if they list rodent control as a unique selling proposition... Kim Tonry Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 4 07:35:18 2009 From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:35:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <4AF19126.5090008@camden.rutgers.edu> OK, you all win. Maybe there is something to the idea that when you have an MGB or any variant, you develops a terrific sense of humor to survive. Or maybe you have to start with one to drive a ~40 year old car. Top of the morning to you all, Bill BMCSNJ (I voted for Corzine) Larry Daniels wrote: > Getting the lion isn't hard to do, but how do you get him to pee on a rag? > > > Larry > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Bill Saidel" > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:05 PM > To: "Barrie Robinson" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage > > Barrie, where do you get lion's pee? I have a deer problem. > Bill > > > > Barrie Robinson wrote: > >> I heard of someone that got a rag soaked in lion's pee and put that >> under his car - Said it worked but took ages to clear the smell in the >> spring !!! >> >> >> At 09:17 AM 11/3/2009, Jack Feldman wrote: >> >>> I put the BGT away in a new place. It is on a farm with, no doubt, >>> rodents. >>> >>> The owner of the building said that he ptst sheets of laundry >>> softener in >>> the cars to keep the critters away. He said it was better than >>> mothballs, >>> and didn't smell. >>> >>> I never heard of this before. Has anyone? >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Mgs at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> Regards >> >> Barrie >> (705) 721-9060 >> > > -- William Saidel Department of Biology & Laboratory for Neuromorphonomy & Center for Computational & Integrative Biology Rutgers University Science Building, Room B-4 315 Penn Street Camden, NJ 08102-1411 856 225-6336 From reno.man at rogers.com Wed Nov 4 09:17:32 2009 From: reno.man at rogers.com (Mike L) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: <1275.34486.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've been away a few years, but now back on, lurking for the last few weeks. My 60 MGA body off restoration is almost finished - black, biscuit interior, chrome wires. Took a chance on the black, but it turned out real pretty. And a belated thanx to Barney for much help in building up a spare tranni. Notice the email volume is down, so I'm offering up this link, a long silent film inside the MG factory in 1931. Apologize if this has already made the rounds, but for anyone who missed it, it's a fascinating look into the past. http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 Mike Toronto 67 E type OTS (sold) 59 Bugeye (sold) 60 MGA looking for XK150 DHC From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Nov 4 13:04:56 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage In-Reply-To: <1275.34486.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <48720d20911030617r34d6b06fye0d1c173f8a1577d@mail.gmail.com> <4AF0B734.10103@camden.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: This was just going around the Spridget list and I meant to post it here, as well. I thought it was worth the few minutes to watch it, and I spent quite a bit more time watching similar videos on the site. Unfortunately, they have what may be the world's worst search feature so it can be a challenge to find what you're looking for. -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT '54 MG TF '73 Midget '51 Willys M38 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:17:32 -0800 > From: reno.man at rogers.com > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Truth or Fiction in Car Storage > > I've been away a few years, but now back on, lurking for the last few weeks. > My 60 MGA body off restoration is almost finished - black, biscuit interior, > chrome wires. Took a chance on the black, but it turned out real pretty. And a > belated thanx to Barney for much help in building up a spare tranni. > > Notice > the email volume is down, so I'm offering up this link, a long silent > film inside the MG factory in 1931. Apologize if this has already made the > rounds, but for anyone who missed it, it's a fascinating look into the past. > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 > > Mike > > Toronto > 67 E type OTS > (sold) > 59 Bugeye (sold) > 60 MGA > looking for XK150 DHC _________________________________________________________________ Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/pc-scout/laptop-set-criteria.aspx?cbid=wl&fi lt=200,2400,10,19,1,3,1,7,50,650,2,12,0,1000&cat=1,2,3,4,5,6&brands=5,6,7,8,9 ,10,11,12,13,14,15,16&addf=4,5,9&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN _evergreen2:112009 From DMatt21502 at aol.com Wed Nov 4 17:55:48 2009 From: DMatt21502 at aol.com (DMatt21502 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:48 EST Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 Message-ID: Great old clip. Wonder what the life expectancy of the guys in the paint shop was w/o masks!!! In a message dated 11/4/2009 3:00:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mgs-request at autox.team.net writes: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 From schultejim at msn.com Wed Nov 4 19:47:21 2009 From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:47:21 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys Notice the lack of torque wrenches when tightening the nuts on everything. Jim Schulte Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D. VP Bux Mont Swim Officials Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler > From: DMatt21502 at aol.com > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:55:48 -0500 > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 > > Great old clip. Wonder what the life expectancy of the guys in the paint > shop was w/o masks!!! > > > In a message dated 11/4/2009 3:00:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mgs-request at autox.team.net writes: > > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From sales at justbrits.com Wed Nov 4 20:25:06 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Your tax dollars NOT working Message-ID: <4AF24592.80801@justbrits.com> This is just UNREAL (car related but non LBC): Clunker program: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ ap_on_bi_ge/us_cash_for_clunkers or *http://tinyurl.com/yljgbgw Ed * _______________________________________________________________________ Courtesy the Jensen-cars mailing list. Subscribe and unsubscribe info at: . From rshellen at comcast.net Wed Nov 4 22:15:45 2009 From: rshellen at comcast.net (E. Ronald Shellenberger) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] King pin bushings Message-ID: Rebuilding my son's front suspension and have one king pin with pitted areas. I am going to get the Moss King pin set and was wondering if anyone knows of a shop to ream the bushes close to south central Pa. If not does anyone do them by mail or is there another solution that people have been using to rebuild king pins. Thanks Ron Shellenberger From jello at cableone.net Thu Nov 5 12:21:56 2009 From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] King pin bushings Message-ID: <2132.1257448916@cableone.net> From Frankk12 at verizon.net Thu Nov 5 11:31:51 2009 From: Frankk12 at verizon.net (Frank Krajewski) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] King pin bushings References: <2132.1257448916@cableone.net> Message-ID: What was that? My screen went blank. Frank the "Swamp Yankee" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bates" To: ; "'E . Ronald Shellenberger'" Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] King pin bushings > > > _______________________________________________ From mgbob at juno.com Thu Nov 5 12:58:09 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day Message-ID: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> Today is 5 November. It's a day to celebrate and to hoist one for the Guy. Bob ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=SmrUMl8RmnToOjZOmH6WpgAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 17:12:48 2009 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:12:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Thanks Message-ID: <48720d20911051612q1522b953t7b4490c137829d3b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all who replied to my request for information on softener sheets, and animals in the wilds of Sydney. I didn't realize what I had started. Jack From jello at cableone.net Thu Nov 5 23:01:32 2009 From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:01:32 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] King pin bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF3BBBC.1030603@cableone.net> Shop in South Central PA that can ream the kingpin is European Imports in Maytown, PA. The shop owner is Tom Hertzog, and his number is 717 426 2362. He has original MG kingpin reamers. Tell him Phil Bates sent you - he hears from me often, but I moved to Idaho 14 years ago. Phil Bates E. Ronald Shellenberger wrote: > Rebuilding my son's front suspension and have one king pin with pitted areas. > I am going to get the Moss King pin set and was wondering if anyone knows of a > shop to ream the bushes close to south central Pa. If not does anyone do them > by mail or is there another solution that people have been using to rebuild > king pins. > Thanks > Ron Shellenberger From palte at gmx.net Fri Nov 6 01:34:10 2009 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:34:10 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <20091106083433.1BB78187645@autox.team.net> Reminds me of Dan H.'s Day, the guy who screwed up this list (though not intentionally) so successfully one time. When was that again? Is he still on this list? Bert At 20:58 5-11-2009, you wrote: > Today is 5 November. It's a day to celebrate and to hoist one for >the Guy. >Bob >____________________________________________________________ >Weight Loss Program >Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=SmrUMl8RmnToOjZOmH6WpgAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From rbgosling at googlemail.com Fri Nov 6 01:45:34 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:45:34 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day In-Reply-To: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520911060045o2cea4a10rfe48c566ac714e25@mail.gmail.com> Yay! Let's go burn some Catholics... Going to a Guy Fawkes party tomorrow night, should be good. Anyone hosting their own party - stay safe with those fireworks! Keep your MGs under cover, don't want any hot sparks getting on that paintwork! Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) From mark at bradakis.com Fri Nov 6 10:43:10 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <20091106083433.1BB78187645@autox.team.net> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> <20091106083433.1BB78187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4AF4602E.7050509@bradakis.com> Bert Palte wrote: > Reminds me of Dan H.'s Day, the guy who screwed up this list > (though not intentionally) so successfully one time. > When was that again? > Is he still on this list? > I believe he is out of the office. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Nov 6 17:45:46 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:45:46 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <4AF4602E.7050509@bradakis.com> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> <20091106083433.1BB78187645@autox.team.net> <4AF4602E.7050509@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AF4C33A.6040501@bradakis.com> > I believe he is out of the office. > For those who don't remember or signed up after it happened, here's the story. A certain subscriber to the list was headed out for some vacation over the Christmas holidays, as I recall. Being a clever sort of fellow, so he thought, he set up a vacation response to his email. Now most out of the box vacation programs have various safeguards built in. He rolled his own. When a message was posted to the MGs list, his script sent a response to the MG list noting he was out of the office. The MG list sent it out, where his script got a copy of the message and did what he said to do. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. .... What fun. mjb. From hardt at sonic.net Fri Nov 6 19:26:20 2009 From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:26:20 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <4AF4C33A.6040501@bradakis.com> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> <20091106083433.1BB78187645@autox.team.net> <4AF4602E.7050509@bradakis.com> <4AF4C33A.6040501@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4AF4DACC.6020306@sonic.net> Heh, I remember opening my email program and seeing literally HUNDREDS of emails waiting to download. I was glad when Mark finally cut him off. Ron 58 MGA Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> I believe he is out of the office. >> > > For those who don't remember or signed up after it happened, here's > the story. A certain subscriber to the list was headed out for some > vacation over the Christmas holidays, as I recall. Being a clever sort > of fellow, so he thought, he set up a vacation response to his email. > > Now most out of the box vacation programs have various safeguards > built in. He rolled his own. > > When a message was posted to the MGs list, his script sent a response > to the MG list noting he was out of the office. The MG list sent it out, > where his script got a copy of the message and did what he said to do. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > > .... > > > What fun. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From david_breneman at yahoo.com Fri Nov 6 22:19:55 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <4AF4C33A.6040501@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > When a message was posted to the MGs list, his script sent > a response > to the MG list noting he was out of the office. The > MG list sent it out, > where his script got a copy of the message and did what he > said to do. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. > He sent a response to the list, the list sent a reply. etc... Back in those days, Microsoft Mail did exactly that right out of the box. Unlike Unix vacation programs, which kept a database of addresses they had responded to, MSM sent a response to *every* message it received. The only solution was to beg the user's ISP to suspend his account until he returned. The Net was a lot better place before Gates and Jobs (and AOL) "discovered" it in the mid-90s. We're still paying the price. :-) From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sat Nov 7 02:33:00 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:33:00 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <078F7811BC30433683654AE7CF96F9BC@uw471de61b465c> Remembers me of being in the UK - Warrington many times for computer training. The company I worked with had rented for the students some little rental homes. All evenings children came along asking penny for the guy. Trouble was the kids did this in February as well as in several other winter months. Those foreigners did not know the real Guy day, so the kids took their chances. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Howard" To: Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day > > Today is 5 November. It's a day to celebrate and to hoist one for > the Guy. > Bob From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 7 07:00:40 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day In-Reply-To: <078F7811BC30433683654AE7CF96F9BC@uw471de61b465c> References: <20091105.145809.3988.7.MGBOB@juno.com> <078F7811BC30433683654AE7CF96F9BC@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: I love the way immigrants bring their cultures to the national cultures. ?? At 04:33 AM 11/7/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >Remembers me of being in the UK - Warrington many times for computer training. >The company I worked with had rented for the students some little >rental homes. >All evenings children came along asking penny for the guy. >Trouble was the kids did this in February as well as in several >other winter months. >Those foreigners did not know the real Guy day, so the kids took >their chances. > >Cheers, > >Hans >71 BGT > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Howard" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:58 PM >Subject: [Mgs] Guy Fawkes Day > > >> >> Today is 5 November. It's a day to celebrate and to hoist one for >>the Guy. >>Bob > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2484 - Release Date: >11/06/09 07:38:00 Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From sales at justbrits.com Sat Nov 7 15:18:31 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:18:31 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> << (and AOL) "discovered" it in the mid-90s. We're still paying the price. :-) >> And will be for a while David, especially if you ADD Yahoo and Google [g mail] to the mix !! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 7 18:00:32 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it allows you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the search records for future use. At 05:18 PM 11/7/2009, Sales at \" Just Brits \" wrote: ><< (and AOL) "discovered" it in the mid-90s. We're still paying the >price. :-) >> > >And will be for a while David, especially if you ADD >Yahoo and Google [g mail] to the mix !! > >Ed >Please visit MY site at: >www.justbrits.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: >11/07/09 07:38:00 Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sun Nov 8 03:18:03 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:18:03 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> Message-ID: So when I like to start using Copernic, I first have to "Google" it? Cheers! Hans It's sunny after weeks of rain, so the GT will be out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? > Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it allows > you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the search > records for future use. > > > > At 05:18 PM 11/7/2009, Sales at \" Just Brits \" wrote: >><< (and AOL) "discovered" it in the mid-90s. We're still paying the >>price. :-) >> >> >>And will be for a while David, especially if you ADD >>Yahoo and Google [g mail] to the mix !! >> >>Ed >>Please visit MY site at: >>www.justbrits.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Mgs at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: >>11/07/09 07:38:00 > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sun Nov 8 06:38:13 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:38:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> That should be obvious. Are you personally going to buy a copy of the software for everyone? At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it allows >you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the search >records for future use. >.... From twobees at sprynet.com Sun Nov 8 08:34:04 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Audi Digest?? Message-ID: <000001ca6088$e80c7630$6401a8c0@normoffice> Any of you know if there is a US-based Audi list/Digest? Thanks. Norm Sippel From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 09:34:42 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <527291.89090.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Why do people use Google when > Copernic is so much better - it allows > you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the > search records for future use. The main reason I don't use Copernic is because I've never heard of it. :-) But I'll try it. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 8 09:38:43 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:38:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <601905.81215.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Barney Gaylord wrote: > That should be obvious. Are you > personally going to buy a copy of the software for > everyone? Hey, I just discovered that myself. I spoke too soon. Also, it only runs on Windoze. I have one Windows PeeCee, which I use for my film scanner. I don't let it on the internet, so a search utility is useless on it. When they come out with a Linux version, maybe I'll give it a shot. From barrie at look.ca Sun Nov 8 09:52:10 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Barney, ABSOLUTELY !! Anyone can go to www.copernic.com and download the basic package it and charge my account! AS YOU MAY GUESS IT IS FREE At 08:38 AM 11/8/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >That should be obvious. Are you personally going to buy a copy of >the software for everyone? > > >At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it >>allows you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the >>search records for future use. >>.... > > Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From LAF48 at aol.com Sun Nov 8 10:50:58 2009 From: LAF48 at aol.com (LAF48 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:50:58 EST Subject: [Mgs] test Message-ID: Test only From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Sun Nov 8 11:06:17 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:17 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <601905.81215.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <601905.81215.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0661656F@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Might I suggest VirtualBox? http://www.virtualbox.org/ It's a hell of a program and has a Linux version. Then you can run Windows on your Linux machine. It has virtual drivers such that your film scanner will probably work. I don't see why you are paranoid about running Windows on the Internet like 90+% of all Internet users, most of them problem free. But I did create one XP virtual machine solely for the purpose of testing suspicious software and websites. Once I created the virtual machine which is technically just one large file, I copied it so I can test and then delete the copy. I also run several Linux machines, mostly Debian and Linux, on virtual machines including one as my web/ftp server, mostly because it saved me problems having to roll my own nvidia video drivers (not that I didn't try first). VirtualBox is easy to use and free. If you have enough memory on your PC (meaning Intel computer), this gives you an easy chance to tinker with a number of different operating systems as a separate window on your Linux or Windows computer. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:39 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Barney Gaylord wrote: > That should be obvious. Are you > personally going to buy a copy of the software for > everyone? Hey, I just discovered that myself. I spoke too soon. Also, it only runs on Windoze. I have one Windows PeeCee, which I use for my film scanner. I don't let it on the internet, so a search utility is useless on it. When they come out with a Linux version, maybe I'll give it a shot. From runner01 at wowway.com Sun Nov 8 15:08:08 2009 From: runner01 at wowway.com (Ray Graham) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:08:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Emission Connections on SU HIF Message-ID: I purchased a 1980 MGB that had the ZS carb replaced with an SU HIF conversion, but some of the emission or vacuum hoses are not connected and I am not sure the ones on the carb are correct, basically need sorted out. Anyone have a diagram showing how the emission hoses are to be hooked up correctly to prevent vacuum leaks? Thanks, Ray Graham From steve at shoyer.com Sun Nov 8 16:54:49 2009 From: steve at shoyer.com (Steve Shoyer) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Emission Connections on SU HIF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ray: I have some picture of the HIF setup oon my 1980 MG B on my site. Take a look and if you need more details, or different pictures, let me know. http://www.shoyer.com/mgb/sucarbs.html --Steve (1980 MGB) -----Original Message----- Subject: [Mgs] Emission Connections on SU HIF ... 1980 MGB that had the ZS carb replaced with an SU HIF conversion, but some of the emission or vacuum hoses are not connected and I am not sure the ones on the carb are correct, basically need sorted out... From mark at bradakis.com Sun Nov 8 18:03:03 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF76A47.1060806@bradakis.com> LAF48 at aol.com wrote: > Test only > > You fail. I have reason to believe you copied from someone else's test. mjb. From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Sun Nov 8 19:33:33 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:33:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] 64B restoration Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0661657C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> I am well underway into my winter project - a restoration of a 64 MGB that I picked up in Portland, Oregon in September. I wasn't expecting to start until winter which so far hasn't happened outside of one week in October. Anyway, before I removed the master cylinders today, I took some pictures. I have them posted on a webpage with a few questions and comments at: http://karamursel.org/mg/64B.htm The first picture shows the wire wheel dilemma. The car is halfway into a conversion that the owner probably started when he parked the car its last time sometime in the mid 1980s. This is a lower priority item since its more cosmetic but I'll have to determine whether I should go back to disc wheels or go to wire wheels. How hard is it to use the axles provided (once I get the rust cleaned off and remove the knock offs that is)? I am also concerned about the tire rubbing that I have heard occurs with ww conversions. Is this a problem with 175s? My son thinks the knock offs are a special, scarcer type but I'm not sure. They appear to be a different metal or they could have been electroplated. Any one seen anything like this? Pictures of rust - not too serious overall although the driver floor board will need patching. It could be worse - my 65B that I bought in 1975 was in worse shape (and only ten years old) and I had to rivet in sheet metal so I could get it to pass state inspection (plus to keep my leg dry when driving in heavy snow). Check the pictures out and if you know the answers to my questions let me know. I hope to have the car back on the road by spring. I've already rotated the engine a few revolutions to make sure it wasn't frozen, have cleaned and reinstalled the fuel tank, and replaced a broken rear shock, and removed the rusted out exhaust. So I still need to replace the exhaust, rebuild the hydraulics, replace carbs (replacing Weber DCOE with SUs), patch floor, redo seats, replace steering gaiters, and whatever else I uncover in the initial restoration. David Councill 64 MGB 67 MGBGT 72 MGB 74 Toyota Landcruiser 01 Land Rover Discovery II From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 9 02:18:50 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:18:50 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Emission Connections on SU HIF References: Message-ID: Have a look at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_fuelframe.htm and click on 'North American Emissions Plumbing'. Basically the carbs are easy, there should be a 1/4" (or so) port on each near the manifold flange which are connected together with a 'Y' connector which is then plumbed to the port on the front tappet chest cover. If you have the charcoal canister and all its plumbing then one of the hoses from the canister is teed to the carb vent/overflow ports near the intake flange. If you don't have the canister then the vent/overflow ports on the carbs must be piped down past the exhaust. The inlet manifold is also easy, any unused ports i.e. vacated by the removal of the gulp valve or anti-runon valve must be sealed. If you still have the canister connected to the port on the back of the rocker cover that is fine for breathing, if not you should fit a small filter to that port to prevent the sucking in of dust and moisture. The alternative is to seal that port and fit a ventilated oil filler cap, but there is always a chance that a non-vented will be fitted at some point in the future which will upset the breathing. The full emissions plumbing with anti-runon is a lot more complicated, virtually every hose must be in place and not blocked for the system to work correctly. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Anyone have a diagram showing how the emission hoses are to be hooked up > correctly to prevent vacuum leaks? From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 9 02:44:41 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:44:41 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0661657C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Message-ID: <0C331462375847968AC7A164CF8D6C77@paul> Axles are fully interchangeable into the bodies, but each axle has it's own handbrake cable. If you fit wire wheel hubs to the wider steel wheel axle you will almost certainly get the outsides of the tyres rubbing on the arches, I did even with so-called conversion hubs which are machined to sit closer than the standard hubs. I got round that by fitting harder RB springs, but that gave a very unpleasant ride over some surfaces and so eventually I changed to a wire wheel axle and went back to the proper springs. Going the other way i.e. bolt-on hubs on a wire-wheel axle you could get rubbing of the insides of the tyres. Because there are a pair of hubs on half-shafts I suspect a PO though he could put wire wheel half-shafts with hubs attached into a steel wheel axle. You definitely can't do that as the wire wheel ones are shorter, but can put either hub on either half-shaft, with the above provisos. Examine the splines on the hubs carefully before fitting them, if they are knife-edged or even worse leaning over they are beyond use. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... How hard is it to use the axles provided (once I get the rust cleaned off and remove the knock offs that is)? I am also concerned about the tire rubbing that I have heard occurs with ww conversions. From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 06:38:10 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 05:38:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Audi Digest?? In-Reply-To: <000001ca6088$e80c7630$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <000001ca6088$e80c7630$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <459421.70188.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Norm, I am a member of the quattro list at www.audifans.com. They mostly discuss older Audis (5000, 100, 80, 90, etc) but plenty of us own newer cars. It's an e-mail list, and has a digest version, versus a forum like audiworld.com. The frms tend to be populated by those that consider body kits and ":cold-air" intakes as performance items. I have a 2004 A4 sedan and have gotten plenty of help from this group when needed. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase ________________________________ From: Norm 2Bs To: 750 101 Digest ; MG Digest ; MGVR at yahoogroups.com; Spridgets Digest ; Vintage Racing Digest Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 10:34:04 AM Subject: [Mgs] Audi Digest?? Any of you know if there is a US-based Audi list/Digest? Thanks. Norm Sippel Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 9 07:20:28 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:20:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (free version), it sucks, and I don't want to ever see it again. As usual, free is not such a good deal. It is obviously just another media for pushing paid advertising. It took me about 30 seconds to find the patterns. It starts with flying banner ads on the opening intro page. For the first few pages of search results 10 of the 20 line items displayed are sponsored links. Farther in the ads (so far) drop form 50% to 35% of all line items diplayed (7 out of 20 per page), but always including 5 of the first 7 items on every page. Now would you like to buy me the pro copy just to get me to try it again? At 11:52 AM 11/8/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >.... >ABSOLUTELY !! Anyone can go to www.copernic.com and download .... >.... >.... IT IS FREE >.... >>.... >>At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >>>Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it >>>allows you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the >>>search records for future use. >>>.... >.... From mgbob at juno.com Mon Nov 9 08:20:18 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Emission Connections on SU HIF Message-ID: <20091109.102019.2248.6.MGBOB@juno.com> Hi Ray, There is an illustration of it in Moss catalogue also. It is none too clear, but with Paul's pictures and text you can figure it out. Bob On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:08:08 -0600 "Ray Graham" writes: > I purchased a 1980 MGB that had the ZS carb replaced with an SU HIF > conversion, but some of the emission or vacuum hoses are not > connected and I am not sure the ones on the carb are correct, basically need sorted > out. > > Anyone have a diagram showing how the emission hoses are to be > hooked up correctly to prevent vacuum leaks? > > Thanks, > Ray Graham > ____________________________________________________________ Get Help With Your Credit Cards! Free online quote in 2 minutes. No credit check. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=YUZSUmccNE5Ii695QQYoJwAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAAPVXYT4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABI2lwAAAAA= From richard.ewald at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 08:29:26 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:29:26 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sponsored links, I did a search in music for "Elton John" (first name that popped into my head) and I was told it could not locate any music using those terms. OKaaaaaaaaay. Right. I tried a few other searches, and found the results to be inferior to what I get from Google. YMMV, but I am with Barney. It sucks. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (free version), it sucks, and I > don't want to ever see it again. > > As usual, free is not such a good deal. It is obviously just another > media for pushing paid advertising. It took me about 30 seconds to > find the patterns. It starts with flying banner ads on the opening > intro page. For the first few pages of search results 10 of the 20 > line items displayed are sponsored links. Farther in the ads (so > far) drop form 50% to 35% of all line items diplayed (7 out of 20 per > page), but always including 5 of the first 7 items on every page. > > Now would you like to buy me the pro copy just to get me to try it again? > > > At 11:52 AM 11/8/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >.... > >ABSOLUTELY !! Anyone can go to www.copernic.com and download .... > >.... > >.... IT IS FREE > >.... > >>.... > >>At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >>>Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it > >>>allows you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the > >>>search records for future use. > >>>.... > >.... > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From herr_dorsch at yahoo.com Mon Nov 9 08:32:03 2009 From: herr_dorsch at yahoo.com (Zach Dorsch) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:32:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Radiator Support Seal Message-ID: <104689.67956.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have what may be a strange question, but am hoping the wisdom of the list will shed some light on this! I just ordered the seal that goes between the radiator support/diaphrma and the hood/bonnet for my '73. The one that I received is foam--are these supposed to be rubber or foam? If it is supposed to be foam, do these actually provide a good seal? Thanks! Zach From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 9 09:38:05 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:38:05 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Radiator Support Seal References: <104689.67956.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78EF7BC13A484ABF959B6D66F9C5B68A@paul> There are two seals. There is a relatively thin rubber strip that goes on top of the diaphragm and seals to the bonnet, there is also a foam strip consisting of two larger square sections glued together which seals between the radiator header tank and the diaphragm. I ran for years with the rubber strip but not the foam, but found a noticeably lower engine temperature in hot weather after I fitted it. In the latest edition of the MGOC magazine there is an article by a chap who has fitted a cold air feed to his carbs, fair enough, but as part of it he has removed virtually all the diaphragm! He claims this gives him cooler intake manifold temperatures, but I dread to think what it has done for his engine cooling. He's also losing an additional ram air effect if he had connected his cold air intake to the diaphragm. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I just ordered the seal that goes between the radiator support/diaphrma > and > the hood/bonnet for my '73. The one that I received is foam--are these > supposed to be rubber or foam? From don at napanet.net Mon Nov 9 10:21:08 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:21:08 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Help needed in Tacoma WA Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20091109091740.057e9358@pop.napanet.net> I have been looking for an old MGB for way too long. A BRG one is currently on eBay, and it's located near Tacoma WA. Is there anyone out in MG-Land that might take a look at it for me? I would be willing to pay for help on this. Thanks! Don _________________________________________________________- Don Scott Calistoga CA 2001 Miata SE BRG 1973 MGB GT (for sale) 1962 MGA Mk II (will be for sale if I buy an MGB roadster) From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 9 11:27:25 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:27:25 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Radiator Support Seal References: <104689.67956.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7816161586CA4BE39A78D5546892BF75@ranteer.local> it is indeed foam. not sure how good a seal, but i guess it helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach Dorsch" To: Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: [Mgs] Radiator Support Seal > Hi All, > > I have what may be a strange question, but am hoping the wisdom of the > list > will shed some light on this! > > I just ordered the seal that goes between the radiator support/diaphrma > and > the hood/bonnet for my '73. The one that I received is foam--are these > supposed to be rubber or foam? > > If it is supposed to be foam, do these actually provide a good seal? > > Thanks! > > Zach From mgbob at juno.com Mon Nov 9 13:29:57 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Radiator Support Seal Message-ID: <20091109.154257.2268.8.MGBOB@juno.com> Zach, If the seal you have is the one that looks like two blocks of material glued together with a slight offset, I have seen them both firm rubber like door seals and soft foam like the stuff you pack around window air conditioners at home. Yes, they seal well, and they do improve air flow through the radiator. There must be some amount of pressure in that area, as some in our club have had the seals blow on through into the fan blades. Most of us have a spot of glue on them to be sure that can't happen to us. Some fit tighter than others I understand, so if the fit of yours is tight you may not need the glue. Bob On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:32:03 -0800 (PST) Zach Dorsch writes: > Hi All, > > I have what may be a strange question, but am hoping the wisdom of > the list > will shed some light on this! > > I just ordered the seal that goes between the radiator > support/diaphrma and > the hood/bonnet for my '73. The one that I received is foam--are > these > supposed to be rubber or foam? > > If it is supposed to be foam, do these actually provide a good seal? > > > Thanks! > > Zach ____________________________________________________________ Medical Billing & Coding Earn your medical billing and coding degree, 100% online! Enroll now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=CkDLzRRfuUZtjB_kuoOgWgAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAAGDlkD4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANiUQAAAAA= From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Mon Nov 9 13:53:51 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com><192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D27D@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> My test was somewhat unfavorable. I didn't do the Copernic Desktop Search because I didn't see the purpose of searching my computer when I know where everything is. There is also a different Copernic Search program (aka "Copernic Agent") which is what I tried. It wants to create a toolbar on IE but then I usually use Firefox. But it also has a separate interface for searches as well. I didn't have any advertising problems and it searches multiple search engines of which google is not included. I don't like or trust google at all but unfortunately they still do the best searches, even better than this multi-search engine. And it is only a web search. Google can also do a group search (usenet to us old timers) which I find handy at times when searching for solutions to computer type problems so I still end up using google most of the time, until something better comes out. It has potential but still another thumbs down. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ewald Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:29 AM To: Barney Gaylord Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sponsored links, I did a search in music for "Elton John" (first name that popped into my head) and I was told it could not locate any music using those terms. OKaaaaaaaaay. Right. I tried a few other searches, and found the results to be inferior to what I get from Google. YMMV, but I am with Barney. It sucks. From rocknatural at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 13:57:42 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:57:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AF88246.9000507@gmail.com> Barney Gaylord wrote: > Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (free version), it sucks, and I > don't want to ever see it again. > > As usual, free is not such a good deal. It is obviously just another > media for pushing paid advertising. It took me about 30 seconds to > find the patterns. It starts with flying banner ads on the opening > intro page. For the first few pages of search results 10 of the 20 > line items displayed are sponsored links. Farther in the ads (so > far) drop form 50% to 35% of all line items diplayed (7 out of 20 per > page), but always including 5 of the first 7 items on every page. > > Now would you like to buy me the pro copy just to get me to try it again? I use the Publisher's Clearing House search engine. It's not as deep or comprehensive as google, so there are less results to dig through, but it always gets me what I want and I get a free entry into the sweeps each time I use it. If I search on my name, I get three pages of hits instead of hundreds of pages. -The Roxter -- From guinness at stclegal.com Mon Nov 9 15:21:19 2009 From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:21:19 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine Message-ID: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to sputter and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by pumping the gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car will only intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas pedal constant, the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then the revs will drop steadily until it dies. I changed the spark plugs which were black and went to a hotter plug (Autolite 63 gapped to .35). I re-timed the engine (twice). I had replaced the points,and rotor about a month ago. The car ran great when I installed the new points so I know I installed them correctly. The condenser is from last Spring. I had reported to the list recently that the cam block on the points on this car had worn in just a few months so that they hardly opened. Barney Gaylor suggested testing the coil to see if it was a ballister type, which it was not. I replaced the ground wire on the distributor about a year and a half ago and inspection shows it is in good condition. I had problems last year with a reconditioned head that the machine shop had failed to lap the bronze guides. The problem seemed to work itself out. I am getting gas. And my rudimentary spark plug tested from HF says the plugs are sparking. Compression shows all four cylinders within 5 lbs of each other (@125) This is a 1963 MGB 3-main engine with the original MGA carbs. For what its worth, the "rear seal" on the engine has began to leak about 4 months ago. I attributed this to a really nackered U-joint messing up drive shaft. How should I go about diagnosing and repairing this problem. Could it be the condenser? The camshaft? Valves? Bearings (rear seal leak)? Vengeful gods? Thank you. -- Robert Guinness From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 9 17:02:45 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:02:45 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine In-Reply-To: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: Fuel pump? Good enough to fill the bowls over time, but not to support extended running. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/9/09 2:21 PM, Robert J. Guinness at guinness at stclegal.com wrote: > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to > sputter and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by > pumping the gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car > will only intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas > pedal constant, the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then the > revs will drop steadily until it dies. > > I changed the spark plugs which were black and went to a hotter plug > (Autolite 63 gapped to .35). I re-timed the engine (twice). I had > replaced the points,and rotor about a month ago. The car ran great when > I installed the new points so I know I installed them correctly. The > condenser is from last Spring. I had reported to the list recently that > the cam block on the points on this car had worn in just a few months > so that they hardly opened. Barney Gaylor suggested testing the coil to > see if it was a ballister type, which it was not. I replaced the ground > wire on the distributor about a year and a half ago and inspection > shows it is in good condition. > > I had problems last year with a reconditioned head that the machine shop > had failed to lap the bronze guides. The problem seemed to work itself out. > > I am getting gas. And my rudimentary spark plug tested from HF says the > plugs are sparking. Compression shows all four cylinders within 5 lbs > of each other (@125) > > This is a 1963 MGB 3-main engine with the original MGA carbs. > > For what its worth, the "rear seal" on the engine has began to leak > about 4 months ago. I attributed this to a really nackered U-joint > messing up drive shaft. > > How should I go about diagnosing and repairing this problem. Could it > be the condenser? The camshaft? Valves? Bearings (rear seal leak)? > Vengeful gods? > > Thank you. From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Mon Nov 9 17:32:16 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration In-Reply-To: <0C331462375847968AC7A164CF8D6C77@paul> References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0661657C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> <0C331462375847968AC7A164CF8D6C77@paul> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F066166EC@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Thanks Paul, this was what I was looking for. Since the PO provided the hubs/half-axles I thought they were all necessary in the process. I don't like the idea of the rubbing so I'll either try to find a ww rear axle or just convert the front back to disc. It is something I won't worry about until next spring so I can just keep a look to see what might come up for sale along those lines in the next half year. I have heard the banjo rear axles are hard to find these days so I may end up going disc, probably be quite a bit cheaper anyway if not as cool looking. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:45 AM To: MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration Axles are fully interchangeable into the bodies, but each axle has it's own handbrake cable. If you fit wire wheel hubs to the wider steel wheel axle you will almost certainly get the outsides of the tyres rubbing on the arches, I did even with so-called conversion hubs which are machined to sit closer than the standard hubs. I got round that by fitting harder RB springs, but that gave a very unpleasant ride over some surfaces and so eventually I changed to a wire wheel axle and went back to the proper springs. Going the other way i.e. bolt-on hubs on a wire-wheel axle you could get rubbing of the insides of the tyres. Because there are a pair of hubs on half-shafts I suspect a PO though he could put wire wheel half-shafts with hubs attached into a steel wheel axle. You definitely can't do that as the wire wheel ones are shorter, but can put either hub on either half-shaft, with the above provisos. Examine the splines on the hubs carefully before fitting them, if they are knife-edged or even worse leaning over they are beyond use. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... How hard is it to use the axles provided (once I get the rust cleaned off and remove the knock offs that is)? I am also concerned about the tire rubbing that I have heard occurs with ww conversions. From rocknatural at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 17:37:30 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:37:30 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine In-Reply-To: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> References: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <4AF8B5CA.8080209@gmail.com> Robert J. Guinness wrote: > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to > sputter and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by > pumping the gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car > will only intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas > pedal constant, the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then > the revs will drop steadily until it dies. > > I changed the spark plugs which were black and went to a hotter plug > (Autolite 63 gapped to .35). I re-timed the engine (twice). I had > replaced the points,and rotor about a month ago. The car ran great > when I installed the new points so I know I installed them correctly. > The condenser is from last Spring. I had reported to the list > recently that the cam block on the points on this car had worn in > just a few months so that they hardly opened. Barney Gaylor suggested > testing the coil to see if it was a ballister type, which it was not. > I replaced the ground wire on the distributor about a year and a half > ago and inspection shows it is in good condition. > I had problems last year with a reconditioned head that the machine > shop had failed to lap the bronze guides. The problem seemed to work > itself out. > > I am getting gas. And my rudimentary spark plug tested from HF says > the plugs are sparking. Compression shows all four cylinders within 5 > lbs of each other (@125) > > This is a 1963 MGB 3-main engine with the original MGA carbs. > > For what its worth, the "rear seal" on the engine has began to leak > about 4 months ago. I attributed this to a really nackered U-joint > messing up drive shaft. > > How should I go about diagnosing and repairing this problem. Could it > be the condenser? The camshaft? Valves? Bearings (rear seal leak)? > Vengeful gods? Some things to look for: Failing coil Failing flex ground wire in distributor (goes to plate) Failing needle valve in float chamber(s) (too rich) -The Roxter -- From barrie at look.ca Mon Nov 9 17:24:32 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:24:32 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Copernic In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D27D@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D27D@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Message-ID: David, I just find the ability to delete useless hits and to be able to save my search exactly where I got to in my manipulation of the list absolutely irresistible. It does not search Google but I find I get the same hits when I tried it against Copernic. The real exciting hits I got with both were in Australia - one supplier called "Purple Pig" believe it or not, who still makes SilentBloc bushings used on my 1955 Aston. So I am very happy with Copernic's search capability. At 03:53 PM 11/9/2009, Councill, David wrote: >My test was somewhat unfavorable. I didn't do the Copernic Desktop >Search because I didn't see the purpose of searching my computer when I >know where everything is. There is also a different Copernic Search >program (aka "Copernic Agent") which is what I tried. It wants to create >a toolbar on IE but then I usually use Firefox. But it also has a >separate interface for searches as well. I didn't have any advertising >problems and it searches multiple search engines of which google is not >included. I don't like or trust google at all but unfortunately they >still do the best searches, even better than this multi-search engine. >And it is only a web search. Google can also do a group search (usenet >to us old timers) which I find handy at times when searching for >solutions to computer type problems so I still end up using google most >of the time, until something better comes out. > >It has potential but still another thumbs down. > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Richard Ewald >Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:29 AM >To: Barney Gaylord >Cc: mgs at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? > >I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sponsored links, I did >a >search in music for "Elton John" (first name that popped into my head) >and I >was told it could not locate any music using those terms. >OKaaaaaaaaay. Right. >I tried a few other searches, and found the results to be inferior to >what I >get from Google. >YMMV, but I am with Barney. It sucks. > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.55/2489 - Release Date: >11/08/09 07:37:00 Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Mon Nov 9 18:14:48 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Come on fellow - you have to use the search program Copernic Agent Basic. !! I got lost of hits for old Elton - see attached. And I got 40 something hits in the "Buy Music" section. Why is it that everyone thinks Desktop is the search program !!! At 10:29 AM 11/9/2009, Richard Ewald wrote: >I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sponsored links, I >did a search in music for "Elton John" (first name that popped into >my head) and I was told it could not locate any music using those terms. >OKaaaaaaaaay. Right. >I tried a few other searches, and found the results to be inferior >to what I get from Google. >YMMV, but I am with Barney. It sucks. > >On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Barney Gaylord ><barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote: >Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (free version), it sucks, and I >don't want to ever see it again. > >As usual, free is not such a good deal. It is obviously just another >media for pushing paid advertising. It took me about 30 seconds to >find the patterns. It starts with flying banner ads on the opening >intro page. For the first few pages of search results 10 of the 20 >line items displayed are sponsored links. Farther in the ads (so >far) drop form 50% to 35% of all line items diplayed (7 out of 20 per >page), but always including 5 of the first 7 items on every page. > >Now would you like to buy me the pro copy just to get me to try it again? > > >At 11:52 AM 11/8/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >.... > >ABSOLUTELY !! Anyone can go to > www.copernic.com and download .... > >.... > >.... IT IS FREE > >.... > >>.... > >>At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >>>Why do people use Google when Copernic is so much better - it > >>>allows you to delete useless search finds as well as saving the > >>>search records for future use. > >>>.... > >.... > >_______________________________________________ > >Support >Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Elton John Copernic.JPG"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] From sales at justbrits.com Mon Nov 9 19:05:58 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:05:58 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: [Spridgets] Interesting cars for sale] Message-ID: <4AF8CA86.5090003@justbrits.com> From a pal of mine on the Spridgets List. He IS quite LBC knowledgeable. -------- Original Message -------- So the weird 70 degree temps continued today and I drove the Alfa to work. In my little town of Roscoe IL I drove by an orange Datsun 2000 roadster for sale (rough shape), and 2 miles down the road a white chrome bumpered MGB (nice shape). If anyone has any real interest, let me know and I'll be more than happy to check them out. This is ~90 miles west of Chicago, 45 south of Madison WI. If anybody is interested, lemme know & I'll put you in contact. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From ptrmgb at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 19:47:04 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:47:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <5b0769cb0911091845m7628699cp3c94bf66dad80ad0@mail.gmail.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5b0769cb0911091845m7628699cp3c94bf66dad80ad0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b0769cb0911091847x5047163ha587210aafda272@mail.gmail.com> I just spoke Elton John into my new Verizon droid phone. Google brought up a browser full. Pretty cool phone. On Nov 9, 2009 8:31 PM, "Barrie Robinson" wrote: Come on fellow - you have to use the search program Copernic Agent Basic. !! I got lost of hits for old Elton - see attached. And I got 40 something hits in the "Buy Music" section. Why is it that everyone thinks Desktop is the search program !!! At 10:29 AM 11/9/2009, Richard Ewald wrote: >I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sp... ><barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote: >Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (... > www.copernic.com and download .... > >.... > >.... IT IS FREE > >.... > >>.... > >>At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: ... >Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Elton John Copernic.JPG"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ... From steve at coastaldatasystems.com Mon Nov 9 19:55:16 2009 From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:55:16 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine In-Reply-To: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> References: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <001b01ca61b1$3bda7a40$b38f6ec0$@com> Trash in the jets? I don't know if SUs would react the same but I have had Solex carbs do this from trash in the jets. -- Stephen West-Fisher Coastal Data Systems 727.599.4271 http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/ -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert J. Guinness Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:21 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to sputter and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by pumping the gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car will only intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas pedal constant, the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then the revs will drop steadily until it dies. From ptrmgb at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 20:42:10 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:42:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: <5b0769cb0911091847x5047163ha587210aafda272@mail.gmail.com> References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5b0769cb0911091845m7628699cp3c94bf66dad80ad0@mail.gmail.com> <5b0769cb0911091847x5047163ha587210aafda272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b0769cb0911091942q319a184fv99931e80d92e3eea@mail.gmail.com> I just spoke Elton John into my new Verizon droid phone. Google brought up a browser full. Pretty cool phone. On Nov 9, 2009 8:31 PM, "Barrie Robinson" wrote: Come on fellow - you have to use the search program Copernic Agent Basic. !! I got lost of hits for old Elton - see attached. And I got 40 something hits in the "Buy Music" section. Why is it that everyone thinks Desktop is the search program !!! At 10:29 AM 11/9/2009, Richard Ewald wrote: >I also tried it and was unimpressed. Besides the sp... ><barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote: >Okay, I tried Copernic Desktop search (... > www.copernic.com and download .... > >.... > >.... IT IS FREE > >.... > >>.... > >>At 08:00 PM 11/7/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: ... >Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive > Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Elton John Copernic.JPG"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ... From riverside at southslope.net Mon Nov 9 21:03:30 2009 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine References: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca61ba$c3e07940$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> There are only two problems that cause black spark plugs; 1) oil fouling 2) fuel too rich. Check your carb floats and needles. Ron Sanborn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: "MG List" Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to sputter > and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by pumping the > gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car will only > intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas pedal > constant, the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then the revs > will drop steadily until it dies. > > I changed the spark plugs which were black and went to a hotter plug > (Autolite 63 gapped to .35). I re-timed the engine (twice). I had > replaced the points,and rotor about a month ago. The car ran great when I > installed the new points so I know I installed them correctly. The > condenser is from last Spring. I had reported to the list recently that > the cam block on the points on this car had worn in just a few months so > that they hardly opened. Barney Gaylor suggested testing the coil to see > if it was a ballister type, which it was not. I replaced the ground wire > on the distributor about a year and a half ago and inspection shows it is > in good condition. > I had problems last year with a reconditioned head that the machine shop > had failed to lap the bronze guides. The problem seemed to work itself > out. > > I am getting gas. And my rudimentary spark plug tested from HF says the > plugs are sparking. Compression shows all four cylinders within 5 lbs of > each other (@125) > > This is a 1963 MGB 3-main engine with the original MGA carbs. > > For what its worth, the "rear seal" on the engine has began to leak about > 4 months ago. I attributed this to a really nackered U-joint messing up > drive shaft. > > How should I go about diagnosing and repairing this problem. Could it be > the condenser? The camshaft? Valves? Bearings (rear seal leak)? > Vengeful gods? > > Thank you. > -- > Robert Guinness > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From sales at justbrits.com Mon Nov 9 21:10:11 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:10:11 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Dan H.'s Day ? In-Reply-To: References: <378226.46998.qm@web112116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4AF5F237.9000407@justbrits.com> <62342.73831.qm@smtp118.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <192759.15811.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AF8E7A3.9060109@justbrits.com> << you have to use the search program Copernic Agent Basic. !! >> Alright, youse guys MADE me try it and I AM with not only Barney [ sucks ] but Rick as well [ ...unimpressed...] and David [ It has potential but still another thumbs down. ]. My opinion Barrie is that it SUCKS [ B.'s wasn't in caps]!! Ed From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 22:22:01 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:22:01 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine In-Reply-To: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> References: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <40b437200911092122h15c06797j930f0acc3afed729@mail.gmail.com> Did you try replacing the condenser again? I think these often fail when almost new (that's why I don't normally replace them). Simon On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to sputter > and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by pumping the gas > pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car will only > intermittently start. If I rev the engine and hold the gas pedal constant, > the engine will run rough for a few seconds and then the revs will drop > steadily until it dies. > > I changed the spark plugs which were black and went to a hotter plug > (Autolite 63 gapped to .35). I re-timed the engine (twice). I had replaced > the points,and rotor about a month ago. The car ran great when I installed > the new points so I know I installed them correctly. The condenser is from > last Spring. I had reported to the list recently that the cam block on the > points on this car had worn in just a few months so that they hardly > opened. Barney Gaylor suggested testing the coil to see if it was a > ballister type, which it was not. I replaced the ground wire on the > distributor about a year and a half ago and inspection shows it is in good > condition. > I had problems last year with a reconditioned head that the machine shop had > failed to lap the bronze guides. The problem seemed to work itself out. > > I am getting gas. And my rudimentary spark plug tested from HF says the > plugs are sparking. Compression shows all four cylinders within 5 lbs of > each other (@125) > > This is a 1963 MGB 3-main engine with the original MGA carbs. > > For what its worth, the "rear seal" on the engine has began to leak about 4 > months ago. I attributed this to a really nackered U-joint messing up drive > shaft. > > How should I go about diagnosing and repairing this problem. Could it be > the condenser? The camshaft? Valves? Bearings (rear seal leak)? Vengeful > gods? From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Nov 10 01:56:23 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:56:23 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine References: <4AF895DF.7000409@stclegal.com> Message-ID: Sounds like fuel starvation to me, it's exactly what you get if the vented filler cap has got blocked or a non-vented fitted. But the first diagnosis step is to clip a timing light onto the coil lead and each plug lead in turn and watch the flashes while cranking. Regular and consistent flashes on the coil lead but inconsistent or missing altogether on one or more plug leads says the cap and/or rotor are breaking down. Could still be plug problems, and possibly condenser. While on 1 and 4 point it at the crank pulley and check the timing is about right. After cranking for a bit take out the plugs. If there is no fuel smell on them you have no fuel getting through. If they are wet it is flooded, which you can usually smell anyway, in a garage at least. They should smell strongly of fuel but not be wet. If no or very little fuel smell take a fuel pipe off a carb and direct it into a container. Turn on the ignition and it should deliver at least one Imperial pint per minute, and in practice closer to two, in a consistent series of pulses with negligible bubbling. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to sputter > and die. I could start it again, and go a short distance by pumping the > gas pedal in unison with its dieing sputters. Now the car will only > intermittently start. From mgbob at juno.com Wed Nov 11 08:46:02 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:46:02 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine Message-ID: <20091111.110810.688.11.MGBOB@juno.com> There have been reports of rotors that shorted from the rivet through the plastic to the distributor shaft. You might check for signs of spark burning through there. Moss now offers a better rotor, as does Advance Distributors. Bob On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:21:19 -0600 "Robert J. Guinness" writes: > As usual, I am mystified by my MGA. On a recent trip, it began to ____________________________________________________________ Free College Information Connect to the online college that best fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=jLcKR5qQBC7DSTSecJuINwAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAAGiRrT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJWaQAAAAA= From mgbob at juno.com Wed Nov 11 08:43:47 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:43:47 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration Message-ID: <20091111.110810.688.10.MGBOB@juno.com> David, I believe you could substitute the later, Salisbury, axle in place of the earlier banjo-type axle if it's wire wheels that you are after. There are more of the Salisbury type to be found. If you do that, clean out and go over the rear axle before installation. Thrust washers are usually worn out by 75M miles, seals can be worn, pinion immersion depth might need to be checked, etc. With axle on the workbench, replacement of bearings & seals, etc, is easy. Bob On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:32:16 -0700 "Councill, David" writes: > Thanks Paul, this was what I was looking for. Since the PO provided > the > hubs/half-axles I thought they were all necessary in the process. I > don't like the idea of the rubbing so I'll either try to find a ww > rear > axle or just convert the front back to disc. It is something I > won't > worry about until next spring so I can just keep a look to see what > might come up for sale along those lines in the next half year. I > have > heard the banjo rear axles are hard to find these days so I may end > up > going disc, probably be quite a bit cheaper anyway if not as cool > looking. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Paul Hunt > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:45 AM > To: MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration > > Axles are fully interchangeable into the bodies, but each axle has > it's > own > handbrake cable. If you fit wire wheel hubs to the wider steel > wheel > axle you > will almost certainly get the outsides of the tyres rubbing on the > arches, I > did even with so-called conversion hubs which are machined to sit > closer > than > the standard hubs. I got round that by fitting harder RB springs, > but > that > gave a very unpleasant ride over some surfaces and so eventually I > changed to > a wire wheel axle and went back to the proper springs. Going the > other > way > i.e. bolt-on hubs on a wire-wheel axle you could get rubbing of the > insides of > the tyres. Because there are a pair of hubs on half-shafts I > suspect a > PO > though he could put wire wheel half-shafts with hubs attached into > a > steel > wheel axle. You definitely can't do that as the wire wheel ones > are > shorter, > but can put either hub on either half-shaft, with the above > provisos. > Examine > the splines on the hubs carefully before fitting them, if they are > knife-edged > or even worse leaning over they are beyond use. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > ... How hard is it to use the axles > provided (once I get the rust cleaned off and remove the knock > offs > that > is)? I am also concerned about the tire rubbing that I have heard > occurs > with ww conversions. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Free College Information Connect to the online college that best fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Vnn--aRAKSlHA8uXgowlSwAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAAGiRrT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJWaQAAAAA= From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Nov 12 01:45:59 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:45:59 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine References: <20091111.110810.688.11.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <4F1964D7D19B42349956E43D8799906D@paul> Any rotor can break down of course, but the ones that seem to be most prone have a domed rivet inside the circle of the base of the rotor, whereas the originals have a flat rivet outside. Other types with a domed rivet outside the base circle are also OK, see http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/rotors.htm. Burning though may be invisible as it is internal, but is detectable with a timing light if by clipping it onto the coil lead and cranking it flashes, but it doesn't on any of the plug leads. Incidentally if it flashes on some coil leads but not others, then it is the cap that is breaking down. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > There have been reports of rotors that shorted from the rivet through > the plastic to the distributor shaft. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Nov 12 01:47:22 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:47:22 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] 64B restoration References: <20091111.110810.688.10.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <405287AE63C44DC3A77D9A96A1AC85BB@paul> Probably everything, I'd say :o) ----- Original Message ----- ... Thrust washers are usually worn out by 75M miles... From don at napanet.net Thu Nov 12 19:12:17 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:17 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20091112180805.04019a10@pop.napanet.net> I wonder if this Craigslist ad was a typo or misspelled deliberately! Either way, made me laugh. Don ______________________________________________________________ 1962 MGA Roaster - $1500 (Pensacola) ---------- Date: 2009-10-19, 5:14PM EDT Reply to: sale-eypvy-1428707218 at craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] ---------- I have a 62 mga roaster for sale that is not compelete. The car caught fire on the interior when the person we bought it from put a 12 volt battery in it instead of 2-6 volt batteries. All the interior is gone. The car will need a lot to restore it, but the frame/body is in good shape. The motor is a 1500 that was out of a 59 model and it and the transmission is in our shop, not in the car. It has the hood and radiatior in our shop also. If you are interested email me for pics. They are not downloading for some reason. Thanks __________________________________________________________ Don Scott Calistoga CA 2001 Miata SE BRG 1973 MGB GT (for sale) 1962 MGA Mk II (hoping to trade for early B roadster) 1966 TR4A From don at napanet.net Thu Nov 12 21:23:45 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:23:45 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster In-Reply-To: <4AFCD3BF.5030607@justbrits.com> References: <6.0.3.0.1.20091112180805.04019a10@pop.napanet.net> <4AFCD3BF.5030607@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20091112202201.0405ecc0@pop.napanet.net> http://pensacola.en.craigslist.org/cto/1428707218.html At 07:34 PM 11/12/2009, Sales at \" Just Brits \" wrote: ><< >I wonder if this Craigslist ad was a typo or misspelled >deliberately! Either way, made me laugh.>> > >I would LOVE to laugh also, Don. Kinda need a LINK >inorder to do so tho. > >Ed From mark at bradakis.com Thu Nov 12 22:23:09 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:23:09 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20091112202201.0405ecc0@pop.napanet.net> References: <6.0.3.0.1.20091112180805.04019a10@pop.napanet.net> <4AFCD3BF.5030607@justbrits.com> <6.0.3.0.1.20091112202201.0405ecc0@pop.napanet.net> Message-ID: <4AFCED3D.8090300@bradakis.com> >> I would LOVE to laugh also, Don. Kinda need a LINK >> inorder to do so tho. >> >> I just read the text provided in the original message about the "roaster" catching fire, no need to link to anything. mjb. From arundell at ghs.com.au Thu Nov 12 21:47:28 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:47:28 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster Message-ID: <49834.1258087648@mail.webconnect.com.au> Don't know, but I once so a BBQ made out of the rear section of an MGB...... Murray On Fri Nov 13 12:12 , don sent: >I wonder if this Craigslist ad was a typo or misspelled >deliberately! Either way, made me laugh. >Don > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ > > >1962 MGA Roaster - $1500 (Pensacola) > > >---------- >Date: 2009-10-19, 5:14PM EDT >Reply to: >sale-eypvy-1428707218 at craigslist.org','','','')">sale-eypvy-1428707218 at craig slist.org?subject=1962%20MGA%20Roaster%20- %20%241500%20%28Pensacola%29&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpensacola.craigslist.org %2Fcto%2F1428707218.html%0A>sale-eypvy-1428707218 at craigslist.org >[http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts>Errors when >replying to ads?] > >---------- >I have a 62 mga roaster for sale that is not compelete. The car caught fire >on the interior when the person we bought it from put a 12 volt battery in >it instead of 2-6 volt batteries. All the interior is gone. The car will >need a lot to restore it, but the frame/body is in good shape. The motor is >a 1500 that was out of a 59 model and it and the transmission is in our >shop, not in the car. It has the hood and radiatior in our shop also. If >you are interested email me for pics. They are not downloading for some >reason. Thanks >__________________________________________________________ > > > > >Don Scott >Calistoga CA >2001 Miata SE BRG >1973 MGB GT (for sale) >1962 MGA Mk II (hoping to trade for early B roadster) >1966 TR4A > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From mgb72 at airmail.net Fri Nov 13 06:35:59 2009 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] HF Carb Fuel Volume requirement Message-ID: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net> From barneymg at mgaguru.com Fri Nov 13 08:17:33 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:17:33 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] HF Carb Fuel Volume requirement In-Reply-To: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net> References: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <625139.95207.qm@smtp124.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> One pint per minute minumum. At 05:35 AM 11/13/2009 -0800, Chad Cooper wrote: > HF Carb Fuel Volume requirement From Aeseeyou at aol.com Fri Nov 13 11:13:10 2009 From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:13:10 EST Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster Message-ID: Don, Try _http://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/1428707218.html_ (http://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/1428707218.html) and you'll see why it's such a bargain price! Albert Escalante ~~ Left Coast USA In a message dated 11/12/2009 6:31:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _don at napanet.net_ (mailto:don at napanet.net) writes: I wonder if this Craigslist ad was a typo or misspelled deliberately! Either way, made me laugh. Don From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 13:05:27 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:05:27 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roaster In-Reply-To: <49834.1258087648@mail.webconnect.com.au> References: <49834.1258087648@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4AFDBC07.5070708@gmail.com> Murray Arundell wrote: > Don't know, but I once so a BBQ made out of the rear section of an MGB...... I hope whoever buys that car tests the body for temper. Most of the cars I have observed after a fire have become unservicably soft. -The Roxter -- From degraff at erols.com Fri Nov 13 13:34:24 2009 From: degraff at erols.com (Elliott and Martha DeGraff) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <625139.95207.qm@smtp124.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net> <625139.95207.qm@smtp124.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> I'm rebuilding an engine for a 71B and need a new camshaft. This will not be for racing or high performance, just a good solid driver. Can anyone recommend a good source? Are there any specific requirements or issues such as with the timing gears to watch out for? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Elliott DeGraff 71B, 71B in work, 72B next project From dontoy at comcast.net Fri Nov 13 13:45:13 2009 From: dontoy at comcast.net (DONALD TOY) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Safety Fast Jack Message-ID: <7E48F742D1E24AF6864DA962AD88FA1D@DONALDTOY> Listers, There was an MG garage in Monroeville, PA outside of Pittsburgh called Lombard Motors. The mechanic there was John "Jack" Greggerson. Jack worked there when they stopped selling MG's in 1980 and began selling Saab's, he was a Saab master mechanic. He worked there after they stopped selling Saabs and started selling speed boats, he worked on those, too. It then became a Johnson the Florist and Jack stayed on to service the fleet of vans. My wife had fallen in love with Saabs. She keeps a fleet of early 90's Saab 900's and Jack kept them all running. She also feel in love with the kindly old fella that seemed to reside in the basement of Lombards. This year was the year I finally decided to have the noisy gearbox in the TF rebuilt. Jack took all the parts from the spare and the transmission from the MG ( I already had a new 1st, 2nd, and cluster gears ) and made one good transmission out of the two. Jack charged me $50. Jack passed away this week at 80. They found him under a car with a wrench in his hand. He suffered a massive heart attack. If only I could go that way. Doing what made me happy. Jack leaves behind an old Mini Cooper and an MG TD. Safety Fast Jack. Don Toy From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 13 16:32:00 2009 From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> Message-ID: Hello Elliot, Lots of issues come to mind but if you are planning to keep the engine in stock spec, then a stock equivalent cam seems to be the best choice. all of the regular suppliers should have them. There is a hardening process (Tuftride?) that would be good to have done before installation If you are going to have the head moderately ported and raise the c.r. to a moderate level (9.5:1 maximum) then a cam a little more aggressive than stock would be in order. APT has the VP11 cam which is 260 duration and .286 intake and .293 exhaust lift. Classic Motorsports used this cam in their July 2008 issue detailing their improved MGB engine. An excellent article if you can find a copy. Piper and Kent used to have similar cams. Moss sells an street performance cam but I have not seen the specifications. Most of what I've read indicates that a 270 degree duration camshaft is as far as you would want to go for a street B that retains it's below 2000 rpm torque. If I were in your situation, I would replace the timing chain and gears, as well as the pushrods and lifters, unless you are certain that they are in serviceable condition. I hope this is helpful and welcome the thoughts of others. Eric -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Elliott and Martha DeGraff Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:34 PM Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations I'm rebuilding an engine for a 71B and need a new camshaft. This will not be for racing or high performance, just a good solid driver. Can anyone recommend a good source? Are there any specific requirements or issues such as with the timing gears to watch out for? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Elliott DeGraff 71B, 71B in work, 72B next project Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.64/2501 - Release Date: 11/13/09 13:22:00 From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 17:27:22 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:27:22 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AFDF96A.5020801@gmail.com> Eric Markley wrote: > Hello Elliot, > > Lots of issues come to mind but if you are planning to keep the engine in > stock spec, then a stock equivalent cam seems to be the best choice. all of > the regular suppliers should have them. There is a hardening process > (Tuftride?) that would be good to have done before installation > > If you are going to have the head moderately ported and raise the c.r. to a > moderate level (9.5:1 maximum) then a cam a little more aggressive than > stock would be in order. APT has the VP11 cam which is 260 duration and .286 > intake and .293 exhaust lift. Classic Motorsports used this cam in their > July 2008 issue detailing their improved MGB engine. An excellent article if > you can find a copy. Piper and Kent used to have similar cams. Moss sells an > street performance cam but I have not seen the specifications. Most of what > I've read indicates that a 270 degree duration camshaft is as far as you > would want to go for a street B that retains it's below 2000 rpm torque. > > If I were in your situation, I would replace the timing chain and gears, as > well as the pushrods and lifters, unless you are certain that they are in > serviceable condition. > > I hope this is helpful and welcome the thoughts of others. I have an APT 286 scatter cam in the Mini Cooper and it's just perfect. -The Roxter -- From paul at ece.rochester.edu Fri Nov 13 19:33:56 2009 From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <4AFDF96A.5020801@gmail.com> References: <4AFDF96A.5020801@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have rebuilt 4 engines, no expert, but replace the timing gears and chain. the double row gears and chain fit all 18v blocks. also replace the chain tensioner. -- Paul Osborne University of Rochester Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 201 Hopeman Building RC Rochester New York 14627 585-275-5226 From shaws at mlcltd.com Fri Nov 13 20:53:11 2009 From: shaws at mlcltd.com (Bob Shaw) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:53:11 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Safety Fast Jack In-Reply-To: <7E48F742D1E24AF6864DA962AD88FA1D@DONALDTOY> References: <7E48F742D1E24AF6864DA962AD88FA1D@DONALDTOY> Message-ID: <000A43D7-32A9-41BC-9650-253A9D38D0E3@mlcltd.com> Years ago a friend, Shorty Koch, also a machinist and mechanic who had several MGs died quickly. Another friend, Bob Allen replied that we should all be so lucky as Shorty. He had his adventures and they went away like an old light bulb. We are losing too many of those good old boys. God Bless you Jack and Safety Fast. On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:45 PM, DONALD TOY wrote: > Listers, > There was an MG garage in Monroeville, PA outside of Pittsburgh > called Lombard > Motors. The mechanic there was John "Jack" Greggerson. Jack worked > there when > they stopped selling MG's in 1980 and began selling Saab's, he was a > Saab > master mechanic. He worked there after they stopped selling Saabs > and started > selling speed boats, he worked on those, too. It then became a > Johnson the > Florist and Jack stayed on to service the fleet of vans. My wife had > fallen in > love with Saabs. She keeps a fleet of early 90's Saab 900's and Jack > kept them > all running. She also feel in love with the kindly old fella that > seemed to > reside in the basement of Lombards. This year was the year I finally > decided > to have the noisy gearbox in the TF rebuilt. Jack took all the parts > from the > spare and the transmission from the MG ( I already had a new 1st, > 2nd, and > cluster gears ) and made one good transmission out of the two. Jack > charged me > $50. Jack passed away this week at 80. They found him under a car > with a > wrench in his hand. He suffered a massive heart attack. If only I > could go > that way. Doing what made me happy. Jack leaves behind an old Mini > Cooper and > an MG TD. Safety Fast Jack. > Don Toy > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive Bob Shaw shaws at mlcltd.com shawsgarage at mlcltd.com My MGA is NOT leaking - merely marking it's territory! From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 13 21:26:51 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:26:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> References: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net> <625139.95207.qm@smtp124.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> Message-ID: <4AFE318B.3040203@ktc.com> I installed a cam ground to the '67B specs in my '69 Roadster along with new double roller chain & gears. At the time I did the rebuild it was considered the most aggressive of the stock cams. I use the car mostly to run the major roads at 70 mph and the back country roads at anywhere from 25 to 55 mph. The engine has a nice, broad torque curve. I can chug along admiring scenery or zip along in overdrive. Every time we go for a ride to admire the TX Hill Country scenery I congratulate my self for using a stock cam. CR Elliott and Martha DeGraff wrote: > I'm rebuilding an engine for a 71B and need a new camshaft. This will > not be for racing or high performance, just a good solid driver. Can > anyone recommend a good source? Are there any specific requirements > or issues such as with the timing gears to watch out for? Any advice > will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > Elliott DeGraff > 71B, 71B in work, 72B next project From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 13 21:28:44 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:28:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Safety Fast Jack In-Reply-To: <7E48F742D1E24AF6864DA962AD88FA1D@DONALDTOY> References: <7E48F742D1E24AF6864DA962AD88FA1D@DONALDTOY> Message-ID: <4AFE31FC.2000005@ktc.com> Sounds like one helluvva guy. RIP CR From thgun at comporium.net Sat Nov 14 10:05:51 2009 From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] vacume Message-ID: <9196929134FD4F58852AF8FF1D8C6359@TOMPC> I have a 1957 MGA 1500 rst. I am looking for the connection of the vacume tube. It is comming from the distributor and is copper with a nut. I also need the to know what the order of the sparkplug wires are giong from the distributor to the plugs. Thanks, Tom Gunderson From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Sat Nov 14 10:06:56 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:06:56 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> References: <20091113053559.6F355FED@resin16.mta.everyone.net><625139.95207.qm@smtp124.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4AFDC2D0.8030300@erols.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06616AA4@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> When I did the rebuild on my 72B, I used what I think was a 270 degree duration - the best performance I could get for street usage. This was maybe 5 years ago so I don't recall all the details but I know details were discussed on this list about cams several times. I ended up getting the cam from Lawrie Alexander who was active on the list although I'm not sure if he is now. He runs a British repair shop in California (not that I am anywhere near there) and I still have his website bookmarked: http://www.britcars.com/ His price was good and he provides technical advice as well so he would be a good source. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Elliott and Martha DeGraff Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:34 PM Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations I'm rebuilding an engine for a 71B and need a new camshaft. This will not be for racing or high performance, just a good solid driver. Can anyone recommend a good source? Are there any specific requirements or issues such as with the timing gears to watch out for? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Elliott DeGraff 71B, 71B in work, 72B next project From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 14 10:58:45 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Door buffers Message-ID: I have just got the door buffer rubber things for my MGB GT. The door was beginning to open too wide thus jeopardising the wing. But how does one put them in the hinges. The hinges do not give one much room to manoeuvre. They seem to have a hole in the centre for a screw .........do I have to take the doors off ?? Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies From Aeseeyou at aol.com Sat Nov 14 12:50:40 2009 From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:50:40 EST Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" Message-ID: Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent Collection. I remember lots of traffic regarding the "Kent Collection" and the disgruntled recipients of their unsolicited emailing's of mostly what I consider to be middle to higher end priced cars of unknown or questionable pedigree. Some even were listed as facsimiles or seller created versions of cars that if they were really an original of what they're meant to appear like, would sell for about the same price, obviously not something I'd be interested in. So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, or removed from any further mailings. If they continue to send me emails I'll take sterner measures to make them understand that they shouldn't be sending out unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time to make my point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little (or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" Cheers, Alberto Escalante----CCBCC Ventura County California The Left Coast From g.schnittke at comcast.net Sat Nov 14 14:30:18 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:30:18 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Re; Door buffers Message-ID: <4AFF216A.30707@comcast.net> Sorry. Yup. If you don't have a large Posidrive screwdriver, I've found that there's an impact screwdriver (Great Neck, I believe) available at the most parts stores that has a large bit which strangely seems to have the correct (or at least usable) profile. If you use a large Phillips ... well, let's just say it didn't go well for me. Glenn > I have just got the door buffer rubber things for my MGB GT. The > door was beginning to open too wide thus jeopardising the wing. But > how does one put them in the hinges. The hinges do not give one much > room to manoeuvre. They seem to have a hole in the centre for a screw > .........do I have to take the doors off ?? > > Regards > > Barrie Robinson -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller From arundell at ghs.com.au Sat Nov 14 14:34:52 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:34:52 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded 'Kent Collection' Message-ID: <52566.1258234492@mail.webconnect.com.au> Been there done that. Its seems they take no notice of anyone who Unsubscribes. Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia On Sat Nov 14 14:50 , Aeseeyou at aol.com sent: >Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent Collection. I >remember lots of traffic regarding the "Kent Collection" and the >disgruntled recipients of their unsolicited emailing's of mostly what I consider to >be middle to higher end priced cars of unknown or questionable pedigree. >Some even were listed as facsimiles or seller created versions of cars that >if they were really an original of what they're meant to appear like, would >sell for about the same price, obviously not something I'd be interested >in. >So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, or >removed from any further mailings. If they continue to send me emails I'll >take sterner measures to make them understand that they shouldn't be >sending out unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time to make my >point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! >I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to >literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little (or a lot!) of >their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >Cheers, >Alberto Escalante----CCBCC >Ventura County California >The Left Coast > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat Nov 14 15:17:47 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:17:47 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] vacume In-Reply-To: <9196929134FD4F58852AF8FF1D8C6359@TOMPC> References: <9196929134FD4F58852AF8FF1D8C6359@TOMPC> Message-ID: <394362.34003.qm@smtp120.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> At 12:05 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Tom Gunderson wrote: >I have a 1957 MGA 1500 rst. I am looking for the connection of the >vacume tube. It is comming from the distributor and is copper with a nut. Other end of the tube screws into a small port on bottom of the rear carburetor. >I also need the to know what the order of the sparkplug wires are >giong from the distributor to the plugs. >.... If the distruibutor drive is installed properly (big if), the dizzy cap terminal nearest #1 spark plug gets connected to #1 plug. Following counter-clockwise around the dizzy cap, firing order and wire connections are 1-3-4-2. From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat Nov 14 15:31:44 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:31:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Alberto Escalante (Aeseeyou at aol.com) wrote: >Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent >Collection. .... not something I'd be interested >in. I set a spam filter rule the first time I saw it. No big deal. At least it's an automotive related ad, not your general run of the mill type spam on drugs or money grabs or phishing. >So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, If you're nuts enough to read to the bottom of hte message, then click on the "unsubscribe" link, it will connect you to their web site. Then if you scrounge around enough you can find the unsubscribe link there, and it apparently works. >.... If they continue to send me emails I'll take sterner measures >to make them understand that they shouldn't be sending out >unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time to make my >point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! That likely won't work, because it requires paid time for someone on their end to "fix" it. When they provide a valid unsubscribe link in the e-mail message, that is probably the end of their legal obligation. I find it easier and quicker to set a filter rule to toss the crap in the trash the first time it comes in. >I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to >literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little >(or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >.... They do. It's the same software that allows the spam operators to bombard you with unwanted messages. From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 14 16:15:21 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alberto, You could organise a group blast from the list (and friends). Maybe we would have enough people brave enough to put up several emails all with exactly same wording and send at exactly the same time. But you would have to organise it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009, Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote: >Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent Collection. I >remember lots of traffic regarding the "Kent Collection" and the >disgruntled recipients of their unsolicited emailing's of mostly >what I consider to >be middle to higher end priced cars of unknown or questionable pedigree. >Some even were listed as facsimiles or seller created versions of cars that >if they were really an original of what they're meant to appear like, would >sell for about the same price, obviously not something I'd be interested >in. >So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, or >removed from any further mailings. If they continue to send me emails I'll >take sterner measures to make them understand that they shouldn't be >sending out unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time >to make my >point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! >I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to >literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little >(or a lot!) of >their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >Cheers, >Alberto Escalante----CCBCC >Ventura County California >The Left Coast > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 14 16:16:30 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Re; Door buffers In-Reply-To: <4AFF216A.30707@comcast.net> References: <4AFF216A.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: Glenn, Oh my god - those doors are heavy !!!!!!!!!! At 04:30 PM 11/14/2009, Glenn Schnittke wrote: >Sorry. Yup. > >If you don't have a large Posidrive screwdriver, I've found that >there's an impact screwdriver (Great Neck, I believe) available at >the most parts stores that has a large bit which strangely seems to >have the correct (or at least usable) profile. If you use a large >Phillips ... well, let's just say it didn't go well for me. > >Glenn > >>I have just got the door buffer rubber things for my MGB GT. The >>door was beginning to open too wide thus jeopardising the >>wing. But how does one put them in the hinges. The hinges do not >>give one much room to manoeuvre. They seem to have a hole in the >>centre for a screw .........do I have to take the doors off ?? >>Regards >>Barrie Robinson > > >-- >Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. > > - Ferris Bueller > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 14 16:18:56 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:18:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where do I get the spam software from? At 05:31 PM 11/14/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Alberto Escalante (Aeseeyou at aol.com) wrote: >>Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent >>Collection. .... not something I'd be interested >>in. > >I set a spam filter rule the first time I saw it. No big deal. At >least it's an automotive related ad, not your general run of the >mill type spam on drugs or money grabs or phishing. > >>So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, > >If you're nuts enough to read to the bottom of hte message, then >click on the "unsubscribe" link, it will connect you to their web >site. Then if you scrounge around enough you can find the >unsubscribe link there, and it apparently works. > >>.... If they continue to send me emails I'll take sterner measures >>to make them understand that they shouldn't be sending out >>unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time to make my >>point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! > >That likely won't work, because it requires paid time for someone on >their end to "fix" it. When they provide a valid unsubscribe link >in the e-mail message, that is probably the end of their legal >obligation. I find it easier and quicker to set a filter rule to >toss the crap in the trash the first time it comes in. > >>I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to >>literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little >>(or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >>.... > >They do. It's the same software that allows the spam operators to >bombard you with unwanted messages. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat Nov 14 16:44:28 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:44:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: References: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <238689.77845.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Chuckle. I'm not one to send mass mailing spam messages, and I don't encourage anyone else to do it. However, any e-mail client can be used. Send the message as many times as you like. You can put multiple copies of the recipient's address in the To: or Cc: lines to send multiple copies with one click. If you intend to make enemies like that you might want to forge your return address, but then it won't help to get them to remove your name from their mailing list. Like I said, it's easier to set a filter rule to toss the stuff in the trash. At 06:18 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >Where do I get the spam software from? > >At 05:31 PM 11/14/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >>At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Alberto Escalante (Aeseeyou at aol.com) wrote: >>>.... >>>I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you >>>to literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a >>>little (or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >>>.... >> >>They do. It's the same software that allows the spam operators to >>bombard you with unwanted messages. From rocknatural at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 16:53:06 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:53:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded 'Kent Collection' In-Reply-To: <52566.1258234492@mail.webconnect.com.au> References: <52566.1258234492@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4AFF42E2.8070101@gmail.com> Murray Arundell wrote: > Been there done that. Its seems they take no notice of anyone who > Unsubscribes. I rather enjoy the pictures. -The Roxter -- From g.schnittke at comcast.net Sat Nov 14 17:31:25 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:31:25 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Re; Door buffers In-Reply-To: References: <4AFF216A.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4AFF4BDD.20700@comcast.net> Yeah, they are. Could be worse. Could be a '58 Caddy. Or an old Rolls. A shop jack can help with a 2x4 on the flat under the door. So can a friend to help balance it on the jack. Balance isn't so bad on a roadster, but a GT would be a little more top heavy. He or she can also help with the beer after it's done. If it's not done, however, that nice new paint job will suffer if the door is opened too far. Mark the position of the hinges before you remove them. Of course it's also an opportunity to reset the gap all around. And rebuild the window winder. As long as the door's out you might take a look at the box section and threshold for rust... <;^) Glenn Barrie Robinson wrote: > > Glenn, > > Oh my god - those doors are heavy !!!!!!!!!! > > > At 04:30 PM 11/14/2009, Glenn Schnittke wrote: >> Sorry. Yup. >> >> If you don't have a large Posidrive screwdriver, I've found that >> there's an impact screwdriver (Great Neck, I believe) available at the >> most parts stores that has a large bit which strangely seems to have >> the correct (or at least usable) profile. If you use a large Phillips >> ... well, let's just say it didn't go well for me. >> >> Glenn >> >>> I have just got the door buffer rubber things for my MGB GT. The >>> door was beginning to open too wide thus jeopardising the wing. But >>> how does one put them in the hinges. The hinges do not give one much >>> room to manoeuvre. They seem to have a hole in the centre for a screw >>> .........do I have to take the doors off ?? >>> Regards >>> Barrie Robinson >> >> >> -- >> Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. >> >> - Ferris Bueller >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > barrie at look.ca > (705) 721-9060 > -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller From ptrmgb at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 17:37:06 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:37:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <238689.77845.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <238689.77845.qm@smtp102.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BECD85F-237E-44B4-808C-6CA7F77CBBE6@gmail.com> I think he's asking for ANTI-spam software. Norton, avg I think., lots of them. search google. Maybe there's a free one on http://versiontracker.com On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Chuckle. I'm not one to send mass mailing spam messages, and I don't encourage anyone else to do it. However, any e-mail client can be used. Send the message as many times as you like. You can put multiple copies of the recipient's address in the To: or Cc: lines to send multiple copies with one click. If you intend to make enemies like that you might want to forge your return address, but then it won't help to get them to remove your name from their mailing list. > > Like I said, it's easier to set a filter rule to toss the stuff in the trash. > > > At 06:18 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Where do I get the spam software from? >> >> At 05:31 PM 11/14/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >>> At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Alberto Escalante (Aeseeyou at aol.com) wrote: >>>> .... >>>> I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little (or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" >>>> .... >>> >>> They do. It's the same software that allows the spam operators to bombard you with unwanted messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From strovato at optonline.net Sat Nov 14 18:25:46 2009 From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? In-Reply-To: <3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400> References: <95962.54745.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400> Message-ID: <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I think this thread is going to irritate "riverside" again. Quick, somebody say something about weber sidedrafts. :-) From riverside at southslope.net Sat Nov 14 20:13:13 2009 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:13:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? References: <95962.54745.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400> <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <001001ca65a1$91e98220$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Gee, I don't get anything from the "kent collection" ( DON'T ANYBODY SUBSCRIBE ME!!!!) I have spent hours "unsubscribing" usually to no avail. Ron. Webers=Fun. I know guys that have $1200.00 worth of brass to prove it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Trovato" To: Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? >I think this thread is going to irritate "riverside" again. Quick, >somebody say something about weber sidedrafts. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 14 20:33:09 2009 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:33:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? In-Reply-To: <001001ca65a1$91e98220$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <95962.54745.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400> <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <001001ca65a1$91e98220$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <4AFF7675.8040408@sbcglobal.net> Maybe you are lucky enough for your ISP to have already flagged it as spam. Mine did. I noticed it in the junk mail along with all the ones about counterfeit designer watches, Canadian RX, "male enhancement," etc. I check the junk mail occasionally as sometimes a valid email gets misfiled there. riverside wrote: > Gee, I don't get anything from the "kent collection" ( DON'T ANYBODY > SUBSCRIBE ME!!!!) I have spent hours "unsubscribing" usually to no > avail. > Ron. > Webers=Fun. I know guys that have $1200.00 worth of brass to prove it. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 15 03:27:27 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:27:27 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" References: Message-ID: <428B900FBC3F47DA87657DD258305F06@paul> And I wonder how many key strokes that took, i.e. how many future messages you could have deleted with the same effort... ----- Original Message ----- > Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent Collection. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 15 03:48:16 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:48:16 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? References: <95962.54745.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400><0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <001001ca65a1$91e98220$0201a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <343CC9D67A6D416AB142E21CD0CBD812@paul> I turned my ISP spam filtering off altogether as it was blocking some genuine mails. I've had two mails from them, but ten from the list complaining about it this time and 23 the last time! If it bothers you that much they are easy enough to delete automatically with Outlook Express at least. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Gee, I don't get anything from the "kent collection" From ccrobins at ktc.com Sun Nov 15 08:13:52 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:13:52 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded 'Kent Collection' In-Reply-To: <52566.1258234492@mail.webconnect.com.au> References: <52566.1258234492@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4B001AB0.20303@ktc.com> Depending on how the spam SW is written, clicking the unsubscribe link in the spam message may not be a good idea. Some SW uses that link to tell it it has hit a "live" email address, so it adds it to its list of live addresses. Spammers trade those lists or vend them, meaning you can suddenly get a barrage of unrelated spam. Just depends on how the spammer operates. It's a tossup. I use Thunderbird for email. It has fairly sophisticated filters so I toss the spam in the junk folder. CR Murray Arundell wrote: > Been there done that. Its seems they take no notice of anyone who > Unsubscribes. From barrie at look.ca Sun Nov 15 08:15:41 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? In-Reply-To: <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <95962.54745.qm@web112105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3DB70E37F8DB4AD09CBD905A4A638243@XPS400> <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: Steven, Weber sidedrafts? .... don't put them down! At 08:25 PM 11/14/2009, Steven Trovato wrote: >I think this thread is going to irritate "riverside" again. Quick, >somebody say something about weber sidedrafts. :-) > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 08:34:21 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? In-Reply-To: <0KT400LDUMN85TH0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <764746.34423.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Steven Trovato wrote: > Quick, somebody say > something about weber sidedrafts. :-) I had dual Weber side draft carburetors on my 1967 BMW 1800/02-ti. I was never able to get them set up right. God bless SU! From degraff at erols.com Sun Nov 15 08:36:02 2009 From: degraff at erols.com (Elliott and Martha DeGraff) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Window regulator Message-ID: <4B001FE2.1050602@erols.com> I appreciate the responses I received when I asked for camshaft recommendations a few days ago. I hope the list has equally good suggestions for solving a window regulator problem. I'm missing a clevis pin/rivet-like doodad which connects two of the arms of the window regulator on a '71 B. (There should be a spring sandwiched in there and it's also missing.) There should be two of these doodads on the window regulator and their heads ride in the channel at the bottom of the window glass as the window goes up and down. I can't find a source for the proper replacement part. Any suggestions as to what can I use for a replacement? Here's a link to a photo which shows where this should be: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqffg4/id9.html Thanks (again). Elliott DeGraff Poolesville, MD From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Sun Nov 15 12:00:23 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Window regulator In-Reply-To: <4B001FE2.1050602@erols.com> References: <4B001FE2.1050602@erols.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06616AB1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> It is bound to be a lot easier and maybe cheaper to buy a used replacement window regulator. Since they are not a regular wear item, it should be fairly easy to find one at the nearest salvage yard that has or specializes in British cars. David Councill -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Elliott and Martha DeGraff Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:36 AM To: MG Digest (E-mail) Subject: [Mgs] Window regulator I appreciate the responses I received when I asked for camshaft recommendations a few days ago. I hope the list has equally good suggestions for solving a window regulator problem. I'm missing a clevis pin/rivet-like doodad which connects two of the arms of the window regulator on a '71 B. (There should be a spring sandwiched in there and it's also missing.) There should be two of these doodads on the window regulator and their heads ride in the channel at the bottom of the window glass as the window goes up and down. I can't find a source for the proper replacement part. Any suggestions as to what can I use for a replacement? Here's a link to a photo which shows where this should be: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqffg4/id9.html Thanks (again). Elliott DeGraff Poolesville, MD From rocknatural at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 12:54:08 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:54:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Window regulator In-Reply-To: <4B001FE2.1050602@erols.com> References: <4B001FE2.1050602@erols.com> Message-ID: <4B005C60.8040702@gmail.com> Elliott and Martha DeGraff wrote: > I appreciate the responses I received when I asked for camshaft > recommendations a few days ago. I hope the list has equally good > suggestions for solving a window regulator problem. > > I'm missing a clevis pin/rivet-like doodad which connects two of the > arms of the window regulator on a '71 B. (There should be a spring > sandwiched in there and it's also missing.) There should be two of > these doodads on the window regulator and their heads ride in the > channel at the bottom of the window glass as the window goes up and > down. I can't find a source for the proper replacement part. Any > suggestions as to what can I use for a replacement? > > Here's a link to a photo which shows where this should be: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqffg4/id9.html There's a slim possibility that Ken Freeman can help. Last time I was at his location, he had a few MGBs. Here's the website, with a 1-800 number: http://www.eastwestautoparts.com/ Tell him Rocky Frisco sent you. -The Roxter -- From rocknatural at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 12:55:31 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:55:31 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] What is the "Kent Collection"? In-Reply-To: <764746.34423.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <764746.34423.qm@web112104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B005CB3.2050007@gmail.com> David Breneman wrote: > --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Steven Trovato wrote: > > >> Quick, somebody say >> something about weber sidedrafts. :-) >> > > I had dual Weber side draft carburetors on my 1967 > BMW 1800/02-ti. I was never able to get them set > up right. God bless SU! I put a Weber on my VW Camper with the Corvair engine conversion and it killed the engine. -The Roxter -- From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Sun Nov 15 14:27:59 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Need MGB hardtop parts Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F06616AB2@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> I was in the process of cleaning out the basement and garage, primarily to make it easier for my winter project - restoration of a 64B. Then my wife mentions as the first thing, the hardtop which I have in the basement. I've been meaning to fix the hardtop for maybe 6-7 years now so I could use it. So rather than move it to a storage shed, I figure the best place to put it is on the car (72 B). The problem is and has been the need of a couple of obscure parts. Any help locating a source of these parts would be appreciated. This is for the factory hardtop. The previous owner had taken it apart to replace the plexiglass windows. The problem is that one was disassembled and missing a corner bracket. The first picture shows both with unassembled window and corner bracket. I am missing one (three are needed per window): http://www.karamursel.org/mg/windows.jpg The bracket has six holes threaded for machine screws, three for each corner. I pondered making one but the metal must be thick enough to thread yet thin and the right width to fit into slots on the window so a lot of machining of which I have limited tools - http://www.karamursel.org/mg/parts3.jpg http://www.karamursel.org/mg/parts_needed2.jpg Also I need the opposing trim piece for the driver's side quarter window (fits inside of hardtop, fasteners go from trim, screw into the window assembly): http://www.karamursel.org/mgs/parts_needed.jpg I had as a last resort considered buying the rear window assembly due to the lack of the right angle bracket. Brown and Gammons did sell those, and looks like they still do, for 55 GBP plus shipping to the USA. With so many car projects, maybe I should finish one. They always get close but there is always a few things left undone it seems. I'll try the lists first and call round as needed. I held off buying the window in previous years due to the exchange rate which is much better as of the past year or so. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com Sun Nov 15 15:05:29 2009 From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:05:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <298641.34869.qm@smtp117.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Holy Moley, some of you need to chill out or put more fiber in your diets. Unwanted or unsolicited email is one of the downsides of the technology. You can stop some of it some of the time. Still less intrusive than unwanted phone calls. Between family, friends, business etc. I get lots of unnecessary emails. If I see an email from a sender I don't know or don't want, I delete unopened. Try that. all email programs have delete. cheers...mel ---- Barney Gaylord wrote: > At 02:50 PM 11/14/2009 -0500, Alberto Escalante (Aeseeyou at aol.com) wrote: > >Today I saw that I'd been sent the latest spam from the Kent > >Collection. .... not something I'd be interested > >in. > > I set a spam filter rule the first time I saw it. No big deal. At > least it's an automotive related ad, not your general run of the mill > type spam on drugs or money grabs or phishing. > > >So I wrote the Kent Collection and said I wanted to be unabsubscribed, > > If you're nuts enough to read to the bottom of hte message, then > click on the "unsubscribe" link, it will connect you to their web > site. Then if you scrounge around enough you can find the > unsubscribe link there, and it apparently works. > > >.... If they continue to send me emails I'll take sterner measures > >to make them understand that they shouldn't be sending out > >unsolicited emails, especially after I'd taken the time to make my > >point quite clear.. Don't send me anymore email! > > That likely won't work, because it requires paid time for someone on > their end to "fix" it. When they provide a valid unsubscribe link in > the e-mail message, that is probably the end of their legal > obligation. I find it easier and quicker to set a filter rule to > toss the crap in the trash the first time it comes in. > > >I wish someone made software you could buy that would allow you to > >literally bombard groups like the "Kent Collection" with a little > >(or a lot!) of their own medicine in other words..."Unsolicited email" > >.... > > They do. It's the same software that allows the spam operators to > bombard you with unwanted messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 15 16:15:47 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:15:47 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: <4AFE318B.3040203@ktc.com> Message-ID: I just had my first extended backroad outing since I installed the new stock cam in my 66B (SF Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally) and I have to say that the motor is extremely tractable. There were whole sections of twisties that I could take entirely in 3rd gear, working from 2500 to 5000 rpm with ease. It helped that I did not have the additional load of a navigator in this case. I did install a new double-row cam chain and sprocket at the same time. I am not sure how a different cam would constitute an improvement without further developments in breathing or compression (and I already have to run premium fuel). Breathing is a challenge due to the funky port design. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/13/09 8:26 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins at ktc.com wrote: > I installed a cam ground to the '67B specs in my '69 Roadster along with > new double roller chain & gears. At the time I did the rebuild it was > considered the most aggressive of the stock cams. I use the car mostly > to run the major roads at 70 mph and the back country roads at anywhere > from 25 to 55 mph. The engine has a nice, broad torque curve. I can > chug along admiring scenery or zip along in overdrive. Every time we go > for a ride to admire the TX Hill Country scenery I congratulate my self > for using a stock cam. > > CR > > > Elliott and Martha DeGraff wrote: >> I'm rebuilding an engine for a 71B and need a new camshaft. This will >> not be for racing or high performance, just a good solid driver. Can >> anyone recommend a good source? Are there any specific requirements >> or issues such as with the timing gears to watch out for? Any advice >> will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. >> >> Elliott DeGraff >> 71B, 71B in work, 72B next project From awhitema at panix.com Sun Nov 15 18:10:28 2009 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:28 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:05 PM, wrote: > Holy Moley, some of you need to chill out or put more fiber in your diets. Unwanted or unsolicited email is one of the downsides of the technology. The problem is the abuse of trust. "The Kent Collection" is abusing the trust we have in the members of this mailing list. They are using our very list against us. Further, it's not just annoying, it's illegal. They purport to be a British company, though the lack of an address on their website is an interesting "omission". They have no effective way to "opt out" (the link doesn't work), but that doesn't matter, because as a UK company, they are bound by UK laws. Like most of the sane world, Europe requires "opt-in", meaning nobody is allowed to send commercial email until they get consent (at which point, it's no longer "spam") At this point, I'm done trying to reason with them. Every email I get from them from this point forward gets reported to the ICO. I suggest everybody else that gets them does the same. http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/privacy_and_electronic_communications.aspx I'm doing this because basically, everything fits: * the sender is based in the UK * the recipient (me) did not opt-in * the recipient (me) has no business relation with the sender From stargazer1 at cox.net Sun Nov 15 19:21:32 2009 From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:21:32 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B00B72C.7070704@cox.net> I put a Kent(?) Fast Road cam from British Motorsports in San Jose in my '69 BGT. I like it a lot. I have the stock SU's and exhaust system. The idle is a little bit rougher, but the midrange power is much improved. Max Heim wrote: > I just had my first extended backroad outing since I installed the new stock > cam in my 66B (SF Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally) and I have to say that the > motor is extremely tractable. There were whole sections of twisties that I > could take entirely in 3rd gear, working from 2500 to 5000 rpm with ease. It > helped that I did not have the additional load of a navigator in this case. > I did install a new double-row cam chain and sprocket at the same time. > > I am not sure how a different cam would constitute an improvement without > further developments in breathing or compression (and I already have to run > premium fuel). Breathing is a challenge due to the funky port design. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 11/13/09 8:26 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins at ktc.com wrote: > > >> I installed a cam ground to the '67B specs in my '69 Roadster along with >> new double roller chain & gears. At the time I did the rebuild it was >> considered the most aggressive of the stock cams. I use the car mostly >> to run the major roads at 70 mph and the back country roads at anywhere >> from 25 to 55 mph. The engine has a nice, broad torque curve. I can >> chug along admiring scenery or zip along in overdrive. Every time we go >> for a ride to admire the TX Hill Country scenery I congratulate my self >> for using a stock cam. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 16 01:49:58 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:49:58 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Camshaft recommendations References: <4B00B72C.7070704@cox.net> Message-ID: <47755140CD1547A7AED7C8B23BEBB788@paul> Did it arrive unsolicited? ----- Original Message ----- >I put a Kent(?) Fast Road cam from British Motorsports in San Jose in my > '69 BGT... From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 16 01:52:04 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:52:04 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: I can't believe the amount of spleen that is being vented on this, for one email a month! For heavens sake, get a grip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Whiteman" > Unwanted or unsolicited email is one of the downsides of the technology. > > The problem is the abuse of trust. "The Kent Collection" is abusing the > trust > we have in the members of this mailing list. They are using our very list > against us. > > Further, it's not just annoying, it's illegal. They purport to be a > British > company, though the lack of an address on their website is an interesting > "omission". > > They have no effective way to "opt out" (the link doesn't work), but that > doesn't matter, because as a UK company, they are bound by UK laws. Like > most > of the sane world, Europe requires "opt-in", meaning nobody is allowed to > send > commercial email until they get consent (at which point, it's no longer > "spam") > > At this point, I'm done trying to reason with them. Every email I get > from > them from this point forward gets reported to the ICO. I suggest > everybody > else that gets them does the same. > > http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/privacy_and_electronic_communications.aspx > > I'm doing this because basically, everything fits: > * the sender is based in the UK > * the recipient (me) did not opt-in > * the recipient (me) has no business relation with the sender From glenfel at sympatico.ca Mon Nov 16 04:24:17 2009 From: glenfel at sympatico.ca (Glenfel) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:24:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: Here's their address, in case anyone needs it; Kent Car Collection Orchard House Kingsdown Farm Broadstairs Kent CT10 2HT United Kingdom Tel: 0776 1503448 o;? Glen Eldridge 235 Stillview Ave. Pointe-Claire QC H9R 2Y4 glenfel at sympatico.ca 514-426-6698 (home) 514-686-0565 (cell) -------Original Message------- From: Aaron Whiteman Date: 11/15/2009 8:37:31 PM To: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" On Nov 15, 2009, at 2:05 PM, wrote: > Holy Moley, some of you need to chill out or put more fiber in your diets. Unwanted or unsolicited email is one of the downsides of the technology. The problem is the abuse of trust. "The Kent Collection" is abusing the trust we have in the members of this mailing list. They are using our very list against us. Further, it's not just annoying, it's illegal. They purport to be a British company, though the lack of an address on their website is an interesting "omission". They have no effective way to "opt out" (the link doesn't work), but that doesn't matter, because as a UK company, they are bound by UK laws. Like most of the sane world, Europe requires "opt-in", meaning nobody is allowed to send commercial email until they get consent (at which point, it's no longer "spam") At this point, I'm done trying to reason with them. Every email I get from them from this point forward gets reported to the ICO. I suggest everybody else that gets them does the same. http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/privacy_and_electronic_communications.aspx I'm doing this because basically, everything fits: * the sender is based in the UK * the recipient (me) did not opt-in * the recipient (me) has no business relation with the sender Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of stampa_girl_line_en.gif] From ccrobins at ktc.com Mon Nov 16 06:46:59 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:46:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: <4B0157D3.6050702@ktc.com> And you have vented twice at fellow listers. (G) Where will it all end? CR Paul Hunt wrote: > I can't believe the amount of spleen that is being vented on this, for > one email a month! For heavens sake, get a grip. From barrie at look.ca Mon Nov 16 08:55:59 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:55:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: If you don't bitch then no one takes any notice and the practice continues at best, increases at worst. At 03:52 AM 11/16/2009, Paul Hunt wrote: >I can't believe the amount of spleen that is being vented on this, >for one email a month! For heavens sake, get a grip. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Whiteman" >>Unwanted or unsolicited email is one of the downsides of the technology. >> >>The problem is the abuse of trust. "The Kent Collection" is >>abusing the trust >>we have in the members of this mailing list. They are using our very list >>against us. >> >>Further, it's not just annoying, it's illegal. They purport to be a British >>company, though the lack of an address on their website is an interesting >>"omission". >> >>They have no effective way to "opt out" (the link doesn't work), but that >>doesn't matter, because as a UK company, they are bound by UK laws. Like most >>of the sane world, Europe requires "opt-in", meaning nobody is >>allowed to send >>commercial email until they get consent (at which point, it's no longer >>"spam") >> >>At this point, I'm done trying to reason with them. Every email I get from >>them from this point forward gets reported to the ICO. I suggest everybody >>else that gets them does the same. >> >>http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/privacy_and_electronic_communications.aspx >> >>I'm doing this because basically, everything fits: >>* the sender is based in the UK >>* the recipient (me) did not opt-in >>* the recipient (me) has no business relation with the sender > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 16 09:11:50 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:11:50 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> Message-ID: <2A8AB8370EC44DE4B91CC3BDA5F23D75@paul> Hmmm, if no one had taken any notice I would have had two. As it is I have had about 30 now and counting! ----- Original Message ----- > If you don't bitch then no one takes any notice and the practice continues > at best, increases at worst. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 09:42:21 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:42:21 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <2A8AB8370EC44DE4B91CC3BDA5F23D75@paul> References: <20091115220530.Y4RKL.133663.root@cdptpa-web08-z02> <2A8AB8370EC44DE4B91CC3BDA5F23D75@paul> Message-ID: <0E3C9B6D-1CEB-4B5F-8C57-A35C40E9ABD7@gmail.com> This begs the question: What is worse the disease or the "cure"? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:11, "Paul Hunt" wrote: > Hmmm, if no one had taken any notice I would have had two. As it is > I have had about 30 now and counting! > > ----- Original Message ----- >> If you don't bitch then no one takes any notice and the practice >> continues at best, increases at worst. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From davidgschmidt at yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 12:24:52 2009 From: davidgschmidt at yahoo.com (David Schmidt) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:24:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" Message-ID: <525653.5025.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is what I sent them, note I had already used their "remove me link" the last time thy sent out their SPAM. "I have already removed my name once from your god dam list ... why am I getting more. Please stop trolling places and picking up email addresses. If receive another email from you, I will report you as a spammer to your ISP .. " I received an email within 24 hours telling me they had removed me from their list. Dave S, ________________________________ From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Mon Nov 16 14:25:53 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:25:53 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] The dreaded "Kent Collection" In-Reply-To: <525653.5025.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <525653.5025.qm@web51702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D2C1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> I tried to unsubscribe via the link and still got a spam email from them last week. Since a few of you sent nasty emails to them, I thought I would try. But I just used the webform on their site and asked, fairly politely, to be removed. I received this email with a couple of hours if that long: You were removed from Kent Collection Mailing List. For any problem, please contact us here: info at kentcarcollection.com ------------------------------------------- The Kent Collection So no big deal. David Councill From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Thu Nov 19 15:07:18 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:07:18 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Need MGB hardtop parts Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0593D307@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> My quest for hardtop parts for my factory MGB Works hardtop is still ongoing with a glimmer of hope remaining. I have contacted around ten potential sources including Ebay vendors and UK dealers. Some common parts like seals are available through many places but non-wear items are very scarce. My first break came with a link Paul had posted on another matter, Leacy MG Ltd. I checked their website out and then contacted them. They indicated that they used to have "hundred" of the window assemblies but sold all their stock to Brown & Gammons. Shortly after that, I also got a response from Brown & Gammons verifying they had the whole window assembly (even though I just need a corner bracket) for the princely sum of 55 quid and 50 quid shipping. Paul has already translated "quid" in response to another lister's question, quid translating as a pound sterling or in this case around $175 USD. Still no source for the trim piece though. I had pondered buying one of these windows from Brown and Gammons a few years ago but the exchange rate was almost $2 USD to a GBP so things are better now. But I also knew that the Roadster Factory was selling the windows as well but they were considerably more expensive. So I went to their online catalog and they now show all the parts with part numbers. Apparently they also had/have a stock of hard top parts and indicate they may start manufacturing the hard tops again: http://www.zeni.net/trf/MGB-GC/index.php?menu=H&page=254 They have the trim piece I need or at least show a fairly steep price for it ($46.95) but the window assembly as well as the bracket are listed as "NLS" (aka "no longer stocked"). So I sent an inquiry to them. But for the cost of the trim piece (finisher) and the rear quarter window assembly, it seems like I could find a well worn hardtop and use the parts off of it on my nicely painted hard top (black tulip, matching the rest of my 72B). Or maybe I should just glue the window corner together for now - it would make it tougher to replace the window in the future but save me what looks like $175 for a nicer window (in that case the old window would then be junk anyway). Still searching and looking at options... David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B From mgmagnette at aim.com Fri Nov 20 15:55:12 2009 From: mgmagnette at aim.com (mgmagnette) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Its not just V12 Jags that catch on fire! Message-ID: <14b5bf87.5b3e.417d.94a8.c5593c3f8813@aim.com> A gas station burns down when a mechanic trips, breaks a trouble light, and sets a Bentley on fire... http://millburn.patch.com/articles/car-owner-details-how-exxon-fire-started#c If you're from NJ, there is only one thing to think... Only in Short Hills. Or Far Hills... or... well ok, anywhere but Newark. -John From sales at justbrits.com Fri Nov 20 16:23:09 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:23:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Its not just V12 Jags that catch on fire! In-Reply-To: <14b5bf87.5b3e.417d.94a8.c5593c3f8813@aim.com> References: <14b5bf87.5b3e.417d.94a8.c5593c3f8813@aim.com> Message-ID: <4B0724DD.7090508@justbrits.com> Somehow, I doubt sprinklers would have help THAT one, John !!! Ed From ptrmgb at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 18:44:48 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Its not just V12 Jags that catch on fire! In-Reply-To: <14b5bf87.5b3e.417d.94a8.c5593c3f8813@aim.com> References: <14b5bf87.5b3e.417d.94a8.c5593c3f8813@aim.com> Message-ID: <2A0649FC-F85F-454B-AFA8-8817E10821AF@gmail.com> At least it wasn't Finzio's Sinclair On Nov 20, 2009, at 4:55 PM, mgmagnette wrote: > A gas station burns down when a mechanic trips, breaks a trouble light, and sets a Bentley on fire... > > http://millburn.patch.com/articles/car-owner-details-how-exxon-fire-started#c > > If you're from NJ, there is only one thing to think... Only in Short Hills. Or Far Hills... or... well ok, anywhere but Newark. > > -John > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat Nov 21 15:14:38 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (Woerpel) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:14:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts Message-ID: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The rib of the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel won't get to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a key? Thanks for any assistance. Dave W. 59 MGA 1500 59 :{) From thgun at comporium.net Sat Nov 21 16:30:03 2009 From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] getting MGA started Message-ID: <826E26D805E24F0DA7AF553946945945@TOMPC> I am now at the point to start my car. I have gas to the carbs, spark to the plugs and it will not kick off. This started by replaceing the head because of a burnned valve. I checked the plug wires and looked to see that the rotor and points are working. I also replaced the rubber gromets that are just under the carb float bowls as they were leaking. This car has been sitting in my shop for a year. What have I missed in my checking? I need help. Thanks, Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA 1500 rst From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:45:46 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:45:46 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> References: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> Message-ID: <944E7013-8DD9-4103-8444-C46F59379250@gmail.com> Go to a tire shop. They have special sockets that hammer onto the nut and allow removal with an impact wrench. Replace with a regular lug nut. You could also purchase one of these sockets from Snap-On, Mac, or Matco but unless you are planning on making a habit of this it is cheaper and easier to go to the tire store. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2009, at 14:14, Woerpel wrote: > A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks > and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside > of the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced > a specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the > nut. So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The > rib of the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel > won't get to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a > key? > Thanks for any assistance. > > Dave W. > 59 MGA 1500 > 59 :{) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 17:06:57 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:06:57 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> References: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> Message-ID: <40b437200911211606p26d6fd1ds482e4fc13ad79585@mail.gmail.com> A cutting wheel on a Dremel? Simon On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Woerpel wrote: > A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks and....no key. > The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of the nut running the > long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a specific distance apart and > accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. So if one doesn't have a key how > does one remove the nut? The rib of the wheel won't allow a grip type > wrench. A cut off wheel won't get to the taper of the nut. Is there a > place to purchase a key? > Thanks for any assistance. > > Dave W. > 59 MGA 1500 > 59 :{) From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 21 17:19:41 2009 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:19:41 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> References: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> Message-ID: <4B08839D.5070300@sbcglobal.net> This happens fairly frequently with the street rod crowd. Either the key is lost or someone buys a car without the key. Simple solution is to grind or sand the plating off of the top of the wheel lock and weld an appropriate size lug nut to the lock then take the whole mess off like a regular lug nut. You won't be re-using the wheel lock anyway so nothing lost. Regards, Charles Hill Woerpel wrote: > A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks > and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of > the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a > specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. > So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The rib of > the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel won't get > to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a key? > Thanks for any assistance. > > Dave W. > 59 MGA 1500 > 59 :{) From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 21 17:50:35 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:50:35 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <4B08839D.5070300@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: The question is, why somebody felt it was necessary to protect their Rostyles with a special locking nut.... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/21/09 4:19 PM, Charles Hill at chillmog at sbcglobal.net wrote: > This happens fairly frequently with the street rod crowd. Either the key > is lost or someone buys a car without the key. Simple solution is to > grind or sand the plating off of the top of the wheel lock and weld an > appropriate size lug nut to the lock then take the whole mess off like a > regular lug nut. You won't be re-using the wheel lock anyway so nothing > lost. > > Regards, > Charles Hill > > Woerpel wrote: >> A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks >> and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of >> the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a >> specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. >> So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The rib of >> the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel won't get >> to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a key? >> Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Dave W. >> 59 MGA 1500 >> 59 :{) From arundell at ghs.com.au Sat Nov 21 17:58:35 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:58:35 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts Message-ID: <54380.1258851515@mail.webconnect.com.au> Written by someone who has never come back to his car to find one or all of his wheels missing...... :) Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia On Sun Nov 22 10:50 , Max Heim sent: >The question is, why somebody felt it was necessary to protect their >Rostyles with a special locking nut.... > >-- > >Max Heim >'66 MGB GHN3L76149 >If you're near Mountain View, CA, >it's the primer red one with chrome wires > >on 11/21/09 4:19 PM, Charles Hill at chillmog at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> This happens fairly frequently with the street rod crowd. Either the key >> is lost or someone buys a car without the key. Simple solution is to >> grind or sand the plating off of the top of the wheel lock and weld an >> appropriate size lug nut to the lock then take the whole mess off like a >> regular lug nut. You won't be re-using the wheel lock anyway so nothing >> lost. >> >> Regards, >> Charles Hill >> >> Woerpel wrote: >>> A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks >>> and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of >>> the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a >>> specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. >>> So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The rib of >>> the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel won't get >>> to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a key? >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> >>> Dave W. >>> 59 MGA 1500 >>> 59 :{) > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From mark at bradakis.com Sat Nov 21 18:36:18 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> References: <4B08664E.4030408@wi.net> Message-ID: <4B089592.4020107@bradakis.com> As others have suggested, welding a regular nut to the end of the offending locker can work. If you don't have a welder handy, cutting a groove in the end of the locking nut and using a hammer type impact driver can also do the trick. But then again, since it is an MG, you could just ... naw, won't show my Triumph bias. mjb. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 22 04:17:56 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:17:56 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] getting MGA started References: <826E26D805E24F0DA7AF553946945945@TOMPC> Message-ID: Ignition? Clip a timing lead to the coil lead and each plug lead in turn and crank, make sure the flashes are regular and consistent. No flashes on the coil lead means no HT so check the LT. Flashes on the coil lead but not on all plug leads means a cap and/or rotor problem. Firing order? 1 3 4 2 *anti*-clockwise. Timing? With the timing light on No.1 plug lead and pointed at the timing marks check it shows a few degrees BTDC when cranking. Note that the timing could still be 180 degrees out. Rotor position? Whilst the distributor can only be fully inserted to the engine in one position the distributor itself can be assembled 180 degrees out, and the drive gear can be fitted in as many positions as it has teeth but only one is correct. With the plugs out put your thumb over No.1 plug hole and turn the engine in its normal direction until you can feel the compression lifting your thumb off. That is the compression stroke prior to firing that cylinder. When the piston gets to the top of the cylinder on that stroke that is TDC, see where the rotor is pointing, that position in the cap is where No.1 plug lead goes, and count the rest from there. Mixture? After cranking for a bit take the plugs out. If they are wet it is flooded, especially if the choke has been out, which should be obvious from a strong fuel smell around the car unless outside on a windy day, crank with no choke and full throttle to clear it, but be prepared to release the throttle and half-pull the choke when it catches as it clears (as it should). If the plugs are dry with no fuel smell there is no fuel getting through to the cylinders, they would normally have a strong fuel smell but not be wet if condition are right for firing. Fuel pump? With an original SU it will only click if it has been off for several minutes, and then only once, and only two or three times if switched off over-night unless the engine was hot. Remove a fuel feed pipe from a carb and direct it into a container, turn on the ignition, and it should deliver a minimum of one Imperial pint per minute and in practise closer to two, in a steady series of pulses with minimum bubbles. Float valves? With the ignition off remove the float chamber lids and check they contain fuel. Blocked jet pipes? With the lids back on and with fuel in the float chambers blow gently in the vent/overflow ports and you should see fuel rise up out of the jets with the air-cleaners removed. Carb set to initial settings? Two full turns down from being flush with the bridge. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I am now at the point to start my car. I have gas to the carbs, spark to >the > plugs and it will not kick off. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 22 14:44:16 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:44:16 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Wheel nuts In-Reply-To: <54380.1258851515@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: Nope, and all they would have needed was a hammer... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/21/09 4:58 PM, Murray Arundell at arundell at ghs.com.au wrote: > > Written by someone who has never come back to his car to find one or all of > his wheels missing...... :) > > Murray Arundell > Brisbane Australia > > On Sun Nov 22 10:50 , Max Heim sent: > >> The question is, why somebody felt it was necessary to protect their >> Rostyles with a special locking nut.... >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Mountain View, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> >> on 11/21/09 4:19 PM, Charles Hill at chillmog at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> This happens fairly frequently with the street rod crowd. Either the key >>> is lost or someone buys a car without the key. Simple solution is to >>> grind or sand the plating off of the top of the wheel lock and weld an >>> appropriate size lug nut to the lock then take the whole mess off like a >>> regular lug nut. You won't be re-using the wheel lock anyway so nothing >>> lost. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Charles Hill >>> >>> Woerpel wrote: >>>> A friend bought a '76 MGB with Rostyle wheels and wheel locks >>>> and....no key. The locking wheel nut has 3 grooves on the outside of >>>> the nut running the long axis of the nut. The grooves are spaced a >>>> specific distance apart and accept a keyed socket to remove the nut. >>>> So if one doesn't have a key how does one remove the nut? The rib of >>>> the wheel won't allow a grip type wrench. A cut off wheel won't get >>>> to the taper of the nut. Is there a place to purchase a key? >>>> Thanks for any assistance. >>>> >>>> Dave W. >>>> 59 MGA 1500 >>>> 59 :{) From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 07:39:08 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:39:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] MGB at LeMons.... Message-ID: <160873.13769.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ugh..... http://jalopnik.com/5408105/killer-bee-mgb-wipes-out-gets-rolled-into-ball-of-british-leyland-scrap Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ twitter: dandibiase From twobees at sprynet.com Mon Nov 23 13:49:50 2009 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB at LeMons.... Message-ID: <000401ca6c7e$8114bee0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Didn't that MGB have mirrors???? Or, did his steering go? Or, was the Honda being too aggressive? Norm From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 23 15:00:15 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:00:15 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGB at LeMons.... In-Reply-To: <160873.13769.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, if it was worth more than $500 it wouldn't have been eligible for this event, so it was probably pretty darn rough to start with. For reference, mine cost $700 over twenty years ago, and had cheesily-repaired collision damage, rust and bondo on all four corners. So I can imagine what this one was like. Can't imagine what he was doing, based on the video, veering to the right on a straight, unless something broke up front. Didn't seem close enough to the corner for hard braking. Always scary when an open car rolls over... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/23/09 6:39 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase at yahoo.com wrote: > Ugh..... > > http://jalopnik.com/5408105/killer-bee-mgb-wipes-out-gets-rolled-into-ball-of- > british-leyland-scrap > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > twitter: dandibiase From redscirocco at hotmail.com Mon Nov 23 15:26:04 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB at LeMons.... In-Reply-To: <160873.13769.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <160873.13769.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MGB? There was an MGB? I was too distracted by that UFO that was flying into the sun. Maybe the MGB driver was, too. > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:39:08 -0800 > From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com > To: mgs at autox.team.net; mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Mgs] MGB at LeMons.... > > Ugh..... > > http://jalopnik.com/5408105/killer-bee-mgb-wipes-out-gets-rolled-into-ball-of -british-leyland-scrap > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > '76 MGB Tourer > '65 MGB Tourer (Project) > NAMGBR #5-2328 > http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ > http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ > http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ > http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ > twitter: dandibiase > _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 From cyberemp at comcast.net Wed Nov 25 02:24:45 2009 From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] here. Not my cuppa tea. but the seller sounds motivated! In-Reply-To: <172009877.6750061259141081116.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <565682045.6750081259141085419.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Here's an interesting listing. been up for sale for quite a while, looks like seller is losing patience. http://sfbay.en.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1481376888.html I have no interest in this vehicle, commercial or otherwise. Eric. 46 mgtc 59 mga roadster 65 mgb 70 mgb 71 mgb 00 exterra 75 f 250 03 jetta tdi Cr*p! I gotta sell some cars!! From ptrmgb at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 07:12:10 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:12:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] here. Not my cuppa tea. but the seller sounds motivated! In-Reply-To: <565682045.6750081259141085419.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <565682045.6750081259141085419.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8E15DED4-BDCB-442D-A2D3-9F836763A8D5@gmail.com> Not a lot of cars can pull off being painted bright yellow. This is why. On Nov 25, 2009, at 3:24 AM, cyberemp at comcast.net wrote: > Here's an interesting listing. > been up for sale for quite a while, looks like seller is losing patience. > > > http://sfbay.en.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1481376888.html > > > I have no interest in this vehicle, commercial or otherwise. > Eric. > 46 mgtc > 59 mga roadster > 65 mgb > 70 mgb > 71 mgb > 00 exterra > 75 f 250 > 03 jetta tdi > > > Cr*p! I gotta sell some cars!! Yeah, get rid of the exterra, f250, and jetta. Then you'll be golden. :-) From g.schnittke at comcast.net Wed Nov 25 20:09:50 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:09:50 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] here. Not my cuppa tea. but the seller sounds, motivated! Message-ID: <4B0DF17E.10109@comcast.net> Screw the paint job. Screw the Vette treatment. If it's really that rust free it's worth looking at. The last rust free coupe body I looked at was way over that. I hope somebody can re-coupe this car. C'mon guys. If I had $4k available tomorrow I'd be there in a heartbeat. If it's truly rust free and not a scam. Glenn -- Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy. - Ferris Bueller From roger at rogerlos.com Wed Nov 25 20:40:10 2009 From: roger at rogerlos.com (Roger Los) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:40:10 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] here. Not my cuppa tea. but the seller sounds motivated! In-Reply-To: <8E15DED4-BDCB-442D-A2D3-9F836763A8D5@gmail.com> References: <565682045.6750081259141085419.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8E15DED4-BDCB-442D-A2D3-9F836763A8D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42580A60105F410A8CAD4298AAC147E9@roomofdoom> I thought that very same car was on the Seattle Craigslist not more than a month or so ago, with, I recall, a Kent, Washington location. Roger Los From guinness at stclegal.com Thu Nov 26 06:09:04 2009 From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:09:04 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts Message-ID: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> I want to thank all those who offered advice on diagnosing my MGA's sputtering and dieing engine. The culprit was a bad condenser (which I replaced less than a year ago). Are our parts sources becoming unreliable? I had to replace the points I installed at the same time. Have others experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately (as opposed to body, rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? Or did the bad new condenser cause problems with the points? -- Robert Guinness __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4637 (20091125) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 08:20:28 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:20:28 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Robert, I have suggested on s3veral occasions on this mailing list that condensers should not be replaced unless they have failed. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that condensers have a high early failure rate, but those that survive early failure will last for a long time (many decades). Hence, by routinely replacing condensers, you are much more likely to have a condenser fail, because you risk the early failure of your newly replaced condenser. Simon On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > I want to thank all those who offered advice on diagnosing my MGA's > sputtering and dieing engine. The culprit was a bad condenser (which I > replaced less than a year ago). Are our parts sources becoming unreliable? > I had to replace the points I installed at the same time. Have others > experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately (as opposed to body, > rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? Or did the bad new condenser > cause problems with the points? > -- > Robert Guinness > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4637 (20091125) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From RANDELL_KEGG at msn.com Thu Nov 26 11:59:35 2009 From: RANDELL_KEGG at msn.com (RANDELL KEGG) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:59:35 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Back in the 1970s, I worked as a mechanic for some of the local Volkswagen dealers. When doing tune ups, we never replaced the condenser if the car was running decently when it came in. As you say, "seasoned" condensers seem to last for many years. New condensers have a significant failure rate when new. In those days, we were dealing with factory parts, and still it was well known among the mechanics to not replace the condenser unless it was necessary. I am still working on cars, and this situation is still happening today. Randy Kegg ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Matthews To: Robert J. Guinness Cc: MG List Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts Robert, I have suggested on s3veral occasions on this mailing list that condensers should not be replaced unless they have failed. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that condensers have a high early failure rate, but those that survive early failure will last for a long time (many decades). Hence, by routinely replacing condensers, you are much more likely to have a condenser fail, because you risk the early failure of your newly replaced condenser. Simon On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Robert J. Guinness > wrote: > I want to thank all those who offered advice on diagnosing my MGA's > sputtering and dieing engine. The culprit was a bad condenser (which I > replaced less than a year ago). Are our parts sources becoming unreliable? > I had to replace the points I installed at the same time. Have others > experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately (as opposed to body, > rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? Or did the bad new condenser > cause problems with the points? > -- > Robert Guinness > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4637 (20091125) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From palte at gmx.net Thu Nov 26 14:17:59 2009 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:17:59 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <20091126211829.CC1E1187659@autox.team.net> At 14:09 26-11-2009, you wrote: >Have others experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately (as >opposed to body, rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? YES, much of the replacement parts that are available now are C**P. Be critical! BTDT Bert From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 14:18:58 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:18:58 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B0EF0C2.6010804@gmail.com> Simon Matthews wrote: > Robert, > > I have suggested on s3veral occasions on this mailing list that > condensers should not be replaced unless they have failed. There is > plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that condensers have a high > early failure rate, but those that survive early failure will last > for a long time (many decades). > > Hence, by routinely replacing condensers, you are much more likely to > have a condenser fail, because you risk the early failure of your > newly replaced condenser. Let me add to this excellent advice: If your points don't cavitate, building up a hill on one point and a hole in the other, your condenser is the right value. Condensers are usually all over the scale in value; if yours is not doing this, its value is right on. This is like pure gold; don't ever replace one that's not doing this. Chances are the new one will start deteriorating the points, since the chance that it's the right value is pretty slim. -The Roxter -- From barrie at look.ca Thu Nov 26 14:34:43 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Folks, When I worked for Marconi in the UK building defense systems we always "soaked" our computers for not less than 100 hours - usually 250. If no capacitors soured during this run we reckoned they would work forever (but we had triple standbys!!) At 01:59 PM 11/26/2009, RANDELL KEGG wrote: >Back in the 1970s, I worked as a mechanic for some of the local Volkswagen >dealers. When doing >tune ups, we never replaced the condenser if the car was running decently when >it came in. As you say, "seasoned" condensers seem to last for many years. New >condensers have a significant failure rate when > new. In those days, we were dealing with factory parts, and still > it was well >known among the mechanics to >not replace the condenser unless it was necessary. I am still working on cars, >and this situation is still happening today. > >Randy Kegg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Simon Matthews > To: Robert J. Guinness > Cc: MG List > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts > > > Robert, > > I have suggested on s3veral occasions on this mailing list that > condensers should not be replaced unless they have failed. There is > plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that condensers have a high > early failure rate, but those that survive early failure will last > for a long time (many decades). > > Hence, by routinely replacing condensers, you are much more likely to > have a condenser fail, because you risk the early failure of your > newly replaced condenser. > > Simon > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Robert J. Guinness > > wrote: > > I want to thank all those who offered advice on diagnosing my MGA's > > sputtering and dieing engine. The culprit was a bad condenser (which I > > replaced less than a year ago). Are our parts sources becoming >unreliable? > > I had to replace the points I installed at the same time. Have others > > experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately (as opposed to body, > > rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? Or did the bad new condenser > > cause problems with the points? > > -- > > Robert Guinness > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature > > database 4637 (20091125) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgsinfo/mgs> > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgsstinfo/mgs> > > http://www.team.net/archive > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Fri Nov 27 00:33:24 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:33:24 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40b437200911262333l766486e3o972d483be945e474@mail.gmail.com> Barrie, On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Folks, > > When I worked for Marconi in the UK building defense systems we always > "soaked" our computers for not less than 100 hours - usually 250. If no > capacitors soured during this run we reckoned they would work forever (but > we had triple standbys!!) > Not any more -- just google capacitors and motherboard. It appears that many electrolytic capacitors have a lifetime that is far too short. Simon From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 27 01:48:27 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:48:27 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <9BE89202132F467E9FB5B9DFFA33BAF4@paul> All too common, with anything. If I do replace something and it doesn't prematurely fail I'm pleasantly surprised, and I'm an optimist! It's why I do the minimum number of replacements in any work, and avoid the "whilst this if I might as well replace that" syndrome. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Are our parts sources becoming unreliable? From awhitema at panix.com Fri Nov 27 08:16:26 2009 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:16:26 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] slow, hungry wiper motor Message-ID: <06260D37-AD0A-4C69-8B89-04A6CB252947@panix.com> Driving home last night, I saw a very faint glow in the ignition warning light. It was raining, it was dark, and I had the radio on. I have a decently sized alternator, so this is not a situation where I normally think I would be overloading it. After a few miles of travel, I determined the glow went away when I turned off the wipers, which have been a bit sluggish anyway. So my question is simple, where do I look first? * the wiper transmission * the green circuit feeding the motor * the motor itself From rbgosling at googlemail.com Fri Nov 27 08:55:15 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] slow, hungry wiper motor In-Reply-To: <06260D37-AD0A-4C69-8B89-04A6CB252947@panix.com> References: <06260D37-AD0A-4C69-8B89-04A6CB252947@panix.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520911270755x3ec1fc82l3654dc1dccd919e@mail.gmail.com> I'd start by checking the current flow into the wiper, with just the wiper on. Try it with the wipers on the glass (even if it isn't raining), the extra drag may increase the current. That should at least narrow down the potential culprit. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) 2009/11/27 Aaron Whiteman > Driving home last night, I saw a very faint glow in the ignition warning > light. It was raining, it was dark, and I had the radio on. I have a > decently sized alternator, so this is not a situation where I normally > think I > would be overloading it. > > After a few miles of travel, I determined the glow went away when I turned > off > the wipers, which have been a bit sluggish anyway. > > So my question is simple, where do I look first? > * the wiper transmission > * the green circuit feeding the motor > * the motor itself From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 27 09:21:48 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] slow, hungry wiper motor References: <06260D37-AD0A-4C69-8B89-04A6CB252947@panix.com> Message-ID: Probably a slightly bad connection in the ignition switch, or the white or brown circuits either side of it or to the alternator, or indeed a blown (open-circuit) alternator diode, the light can glow brighter the more electrical things you have switched on, and is more noticeable at night of course. The ignition warning light acts as a balance scale - as long as it has the same voltage both sides it will be dark. This can be zero volts i.e. when the ignition is off and the engine is stopped, or around 14.5v i.e. when the engine is running and the alternator is working as it should. These voltages are sensed on the white coming off the ignition switch, and the brown/yellow coming off the alternator, if one is higher or lower than the other the light will start to glow. When this is happening measure the voltage on the white circuit (which needs to be at the ignition switch or ignition relay depending on year and market), the brown at the alternator, and the brown/yellow at the alternator. If you get a potential different between the white and the brown the problem is bad connections from the alternator down to the solenoid, and back up to and through the ignition switch or relay. But if those two are much the same and it is the brown/yellow that is higher or lower than the others, then it is an alternator problem. Slow wipers can indicate problems in all sorts of areas, like bad connections anywhere in the brown, white or green circuits, but also mechanical problems in the motor, rack and pinion, or wiper wheelboxes. The problem with wipers is that bad connections will cause low voltage at the motor, which causes slow speed, which causes higher current than normal, whereas mechanical problems cause high current, which causes lower voltages than normal. Which, can be difficult to determine. However purely mechanical problems shouldn't cause the ignition warning light to glow, if the electrical connections are good. But then you could have both! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Driving home last night, I saw a very faint glow in the ignition warning > light. It was raining, it was dark, and I had the radio on. I have a > decently sized alternator, so this is not a situation where I normally > think I > would be overloading it. > > After a few miles of travel, I determined the glow went away when I turned > off > the wipers, which have been a bit sluggish anyway. From pchast at francomm.com Fri Nov 27 09:41:28 2009 From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:41:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] slow, hungry wiper motor In-Reply-To: <9f2527520911270755x3ec1fc82l3654dc1dccd919e@mail.gmail.com> References: <06260D37-AD0A-4C69-8B89-04A6CB252947@panix.com> <9f2527520911270755x3ec1fc82l3654dc1dccd919e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: First test electric flow as suggested then.. another possibility. I've has this trouble in the past when the gear box for the wiper motor needed cleaning and regreasing..... I've done it for a couple. just carefully pry it open and wash the gears with mineral spirits, regrease.... Pete On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:55:15 -0500, Richard Gosling wrote: > > I'd start by checking the current flow into the wiper, with just the > wiper > on. Try it with the wipers on the glass (even if it isn't raining), the > extra drag may increase the current. That should at least narrow down > the > potential culprit. > > Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) > > 2009/11/27 Aaron Whiteman > >> Driving home last night, I saw a very faint glow in the ignition warning >> light. It was raining, it was dark, and I had the radio on. I have a >> decently sized alternator, so this is not a situation where I normally >> think I >> would be overloading it. >> >> After a few miles of travel, I determined the glow went away when I >> turned >> off >> the wipers, which have been a bit sluggish anyway. >> >> So my question is simple, where do I look first? >> * the wiper transmission >> * the green circuit feeding the motor >> * the motor itself > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk Fri Nov 27 11:04:54 2009 From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:04:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Wheeler Dealers MGB GT Redo Message-ID: <505FC29CC37D443081A0A92624C07B60@RickPC> The British TV Show Wheeler Dealers will be doing a makeover on an MGBGT from 4PM to 5 PM today on the Discovery channel if anyone cares to watch. Rick Webmaster for: http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr - The North American MGB Register http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil - North American Council of MG Registers http://www.mgcars.org.uk/amgcr - American MGC Register http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts http://www.britishcarclub.net - Nature Coast English Car Club and The Suncoast Classic MG Club From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 27 11:55:15 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <4B102093.6070507@ktc.com> As a matter of fact I usually stay with the condenser and replace only the points, /if the points don't show a lot of metal transfer./ Getting a condenser that's just the right capacity is kind of a crap shoot. As to quality it depends on who made the parts. I always had good luck with Blue Streak ignition parts. Dunno if they're still made. Maybe Standard Auto? Carquest? I remember reading an article years ago that claimed you could tell if your condenser (capacitor) was over or under capacity by which contact point had the metal buildup on it. I think it might have been inn an old Motors manual. CR Robert J. Guinness wrote: > I want to thank all those who offered advice on diagnosing my MGA's > sputtering and dieing engine. The culprit was a bad condenser (which > I replaced less than a year ago). Are our parts sources becoming > unreliable? I had to replace the points I installed at the same > time. Have others experienced bad mechanical replacement parts lately > (as opposed to body, rubber, interior, etc.), or is it just me? Or > did the bad new condenser cause problems with the points? From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 27 12:00:42 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:00:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> That's called "burning in" these days. I always look for burnt in boards. As you say, makes a difference in longevity. CR Barrie Robinson wrote: > Folks, > > When I worked for Marconi in the UK building defense systems we always > "soaked" our computers for not less than 100 hours - usually 250. If > no capacitors soured during this run we reckoned they would work > forever (but we had triple standbys!!) From sales at justbrits.com Fri Nov 27 16:30:40 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:30:40 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: [Spridgets] The wrong side of the road] Message-ID: <4B106120.5010404@justbrits.com> From the Spridgets List !!! 'Nufff said !!!!!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Spridgets] The wrong side of the road Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:41:06 +0000 From: To: Spridgets References: Left - right - wrong? http://autos.sympatico.ca/photos-videos/1962/fun-facts-about-driving-on-the-r ight-errrr-wrong-side-of-the-road So there you have it!!! _______________________________________________ Also, be SURE to check out the "Prancing Horse' pics below the last pic !! Ed From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 27 19:38:10 2009 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:38:10 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> Message-ID: <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> Used to work that way, but not recently. I work in IT for a large state agency with several thousand desktop PCs. We have had problems for the last few years with PCs starting to fail after 2 to 3 years in service. Brand doesn't seem to matter. The first thing we do is pop the cover and look at the capacitors. More often than not there will be 2 or 3 bulging or corroded capacitors. Hopefully they have the problem cured in the latest batch. They have only been in service for a year though. Regards, Charles Hill Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > That's called "burning in" these days. I always look for burnt in > boards. As you say, makes a difference in longevity. > > CR > > > Barrie Robinson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> When I worked for Marconi in the UK building defense systems we >> always "soaked" our computers for not less than 100 hours - usually >> 250. If no capacitors soured during this run we reckoned they would >> work forever (but we had triple standbys!!) From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Fri Nov 27 20:50:58 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:50:58 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> Charles, The problem of electrolytic capacitors has been known for several years and doesn't seem to have been solved yet. There are people who offer capacitor replacement kits and capacitor replacement services. The kits are several times the price that the same set of caps can be purchased from Digi-key. The "condensers" in the ignition system are not electrolytic (I think), so they don't have the same problems. Simon On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Charles Hill wrote: > Used to work that way, but not recently. I work in IT for a large state > agency with several thousand desktop PCs. We have had problems for the last > few years with PCs starting to fail after 2 to 3 years in service. Brand > doesn't seem to matter. The first thing we do is pop the cover and look at > the capacitors. More often than not there will be 2 or 3 bulging or > corroded capacitors. Hopefully they have the problem cured in the latest > batch. They have only been in service for a year though. > Regards, > Charles Hill From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 27 21:36:29 2009 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:36:29 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> Simon, All true, but in our environment, we don't bother. By the time the problem appears, the PC is at or near replacement time. Simply not cost effective to spend that much on an obsolete computer. All the "condensers" I've checked are the old coiled conductor/insulator type. But they go bad too. I remember the late Gerry Guogen mentioning in a tech session of buying a batch of NOS TC contact breaker plates with the soldered condensers. Most were bad as the condensers had deteriorated just sitting in the warehouse. Of course, this was for decades, not just years. Charles Hill Simon Matthews wrote: > Charles, > > The problem of electrolytic capacitors has been known for several > years and doesn't seem to have been solved yet. There are people who > offer capacitor replacement kits and capacitor replacement services. > The kits are several times the price that the same set of caps can be > purchased from Digi-key. > > The "condensers" in the ignition system are not electrolytic (I > think), so they don't have the same problems. > > Simon From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Nov 28 02:25:10 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:25:10 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com><40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com><4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <737EB6FCEC944D1980DDB267E945B105@paul> Correct. One failure mode of these a while ago was the connection from the foil to the case and/or wire when it changed to crimped from ... whatever it was before. I've never had a condenser fail in 40 years, and I've been carrying spares in both my MGBs since I had them. I've only ever changed one once, which was when I was treating a distributor to new leads, cap and rotor as well as points for some silly reason, but I got away with it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The "condensers" in the ignition system are not electrolytic (I > think) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Nov 28 02:18:25 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:18:25 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <4B106120.5010404@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <159ABE17E10542D4AD59A249C1D1570E@paul> As far as the last image goes the Palatino Bridge in Rome is known as 'English Bridge" for the same reason. What bugs me is that although cars for the UK market are built RHD of course, they are built with LHD steering columns i.e. the indicator switch on the left instead of the right. Japan was one of the last countries producing for the UK market to change over from having it on the right, presumably deciding to give the UK a 'European' column even though they are RHD themselves, and presumably (although I'm guessing) still have the indicator switch on the right for their own market. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Left - right - wrong? From arundell at ghs.com.au Sat Nov 28 01:46:49 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:46:49 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road Message-ID: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> Is it true that Europeans and Americans are unable to change gear with their left hand, thus causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road? Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia where we drive on the correct side of the road....... :) On Sat Nov 28 19:18 , "Paul Hunt" sent: >As far as the last image goes the Palatino Bridge in Rome is known as >'English Bridge" for the same reason. What bugs me is that although cars >for the UK market are built RHD of course, they are built with LHD steering >columns i.e. the indicator switch on the left instead of the right. Japan >was one of the last countries producing for the UK market to change over >from having it on the right, presumably deciding to give the UK a 'European' >column even though they are RHD themselves, and presumably (although I'm >guessing) still have the indicator switch on the right for their own market. > >PaulH. > >----- Original Message ----- >> Left - right - wrong? > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From rbgosling at googlemail.com Sat Nov 28 03:20:49 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:20:49 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <159ABE17E10542D4AD59A249C1D1570E@paul> References: <4B106120.5010404@justbrits.com> <159ABE17E10542D4AD59A249C1D1570E@paul> Message-ID: <9f2527520911280220i44aef5dakf51114ac16f86094@mail.gmail.com> Until TVR went bust a couple of years ago, they still insisted on putting the indicator stalk on the right for RHD cars, where it should be. I remember it used to annoy magazine journalists who test drove their cars, but it earned them a modicum of extra respect from me! My previous "other" car was a Subaru, which was handy, also having an RH indicator. Now that's been replaced with a BMW, so I'm constantly switching from one to the other, and frequently trying to inform other road users by turning on my wipers, or expressing my displeasure by furiously squirting the screen... Still, better than when I came back from 3 months in the States, driving a column-mounted automatic. When coming to a stop I'd apply the brakes, stall the engine (having forgotten to declutch), and then turn on the wipers (in an attempt to put the gearbox in 'park'). Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) From rmort at bezeqint.net Sat Nov 28 05:38:33 2009 From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:38:33 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <4B106120.5010404@justbrits.com><159ABE17E10542D4AD59A249C1D1570E@paul> <9f2527520911280220i44aef5dakf51114ac16f86094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701ca7027$d3fa9290$ee2519ac@BIGMORT> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gosling" > Still, better than when I came back from 3 months in the States, driving a > column-mounted automatic. When coming to a stop I'd apply the brakes, stall > the engine (having forgotten to declutch), and then turn on the wipers (in > an attempt to put the gearbox in 'park'). I believe it was Gorge Carlin who used to do a great bit about getting into a friends 'normal' car when you were used to a column-shift-automatic, going to shift from park to drive, and ripping the wiper stalk right off the column . . . RMartin 70 B Herzliya Israel ___________________________________________________ Once upon a time, long long ago in a far away land where there were no cellular phones, people used to engage in an ancient cultural tradition called "making plans." According to the history books it was a primitive way of arranging to see each other in which one person would suggest a specific date, time, and location, and the other person would either agree, or suggest an alternative until they reached an agreement. And then, without any intervening phone calls or other communication, both parties would actually show up to the agreed upon location at the agreed upon hour. It's amazing, in that primitive culture, that anyone had any friends at all. --KBN ___________________________________________________ From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sat Nov 28 09:22:32 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:22:32 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> British people are Europeans as well! Though they're not living on the continent. I drove often UK cars in England with steering wheel on the RH side. Not problem at all... Cheers, Hans Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Arundell" To: "4 - MG List" ; "Paul Hunt" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road > Is it true that Europeans and Americans are unable to change gear with > their > left hand, thus causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road? > > Murray Arundell > Brisbane Australia where we drive on the correct side of the road....... > :) > > On Sat Nov 28 19:18 , "Paul Hunt" sent: > >>As far as the last image goes the Palatino Bridge in Rome is known as >>'English Bridge" for the same reason. What bugs me is that although cars >>for the UK market are built RHD of course, they are built with LHD >>steering >>columns i.e. the indicator switch on the left instead of the right. Japan >>was one of the last countries producing for the UK market to change over >>from having it on the right, presumably deciding to give the UK a >>'European' >>column even though they are RHD themselves, and presumably (although I'm >>guessing) still have the indicator switch on the right for their own >>market. >> >>PaulH. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>> Left - right - wrong? From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Nov 28 09:45:59 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:45:59 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: That's an outrageous thing to say!! ... ----- Original Message ----- > British people are Europeans as well! From palte at gmx.net Sat Nov 28 10:28:49 2009 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:28:49 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: <20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> I beg to differ. Driving in Britain at the wrong side of the road with my European LHD car was something I got used to very quickly. Driving a RHD car, however, over here in the R.H. traffic Continent, was something I definitely did not like! Just my $.02 worth Bert At 17:22 28-11-2009, you wrote: >British people are Europeans as well! >Though they're not living on the continent. > >I drove often UK cars in England with steering wheel on the RH side. >Not problem at all... > >Cheers, > >Hans From rocknatural at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 11:14:48 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:14:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4B116898.7040308@gmail.com> Murray Arundell wrote: > Is it true that Europeans and Americans are unable to change gear with their > left hand, thus causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road? I never had a problem with it. I really enjoyed the challenge of driving in the UK, with automatics and manuals. On the other hand, my Mini is RHD, so that helped. -The Roxter -- From rocknatural at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 11:16:58 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:16:58 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> <4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> Charles Hill wrote: > Simon, > All true, but in our environment, we don't bother. By the time the > problem appears, the PC is at or near replacement time. Simply not > cost effective to spend that much on an obsolete computer. > All the "condensers" I've checked are the old coiled > conductor/insulator type. But they go bad too. I remember the late > Gerry Guogen mentioning in a tech session of buying a batch of NOS TC > contact breaker plates with the soldered condensers. Most were bad as > the condensers had deteriorated just sitting in the warehouse. Of > course, this was for decades, not just years. I have always wondered why we call a capacitor a "condenser" just because it's on a car. -The Roxter -- From Aeseeyou at aol.com Sat Nov 28 12:15:58 2009 From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:15:58 EST Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road Message-ID: I had a 504 Peugeot that was really a strong car with just the right amounts of luxury and drivability [sic?] But, it had the turn signals and the windshield wiper post reversed from the usual (as in American) location. As long as I remembered the difference fine but if I was thinking about something else I'd turn on the wipers or pull on the high beam lights when I went to turn. or turn on the turn signal when I wanted to use the windscreen wiper. But it was a Diesel and that was before diesel became more expensive than gasoline. And it gave incredible mileage! Then a deal came up where I could get a 505 Turbo Diesel for an incredibly low price. It was a beautiful car and it was really fast compared to the 504. Plus the turn signals and wipers were where they should be! I drove that car for a long time without a problem. I finally gave both the 504 and the 505 Turbo to a self help group. The only complaint I had about them was they leaked so I couldn't leave them out in the rain. I always carried a big sheet of clear plastic just in case it started raining when the car was parked outside. But the 505 had really comfortable seats covered in a suede like synthetic material. But being a diesel it didn't have any tachometer (It didn't have a distributor) Alberto Escalante From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat Nov 28 14:22:18 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:22:18 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> <4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <503790.82722.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> At 12:16 PM 11/28/2009 -0600, The Roxter wrote: >... >I have always wondered why we call a capacitor a "condenser" just >because it's on a car. >.... Ah, history time. The term "condenser" is not unique to automobiles use. The device was originally called a condenser long before it became known as a capacitor. According to Wikipedia, "The term [condenser] was first used for this purpose by Alessandro Volta in 1782, with reference to the device's ability to store a higher density of electric charge than a normal isolated conductor". Apparently Wikipedia is wrong, and that was not the first use of the term (or the original concept). See here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3726/is_200506/ai_n13643083/ The term "condenser" was earlier applied to application of the Leyden Jar (invented 1745), used to collect and store an electrical charge, assumed at the time to be a condensed fluid. For the next two centuries, devices used to retain electrical charges were called condensers [and sometimes still are]. More recently the device came to be called "capacitor" when it became easier to calculate the actual capacity of the device to store electrical charge, and devices were invented that had the capacity to store much larger charges. Now lets see if someone can find the date of first use of the term "capacitor" for this device. Incidentally, there is one electrical condenser that is definitely not a capacitor, the synchronous condenser (more like an electric motor with no output shaft). From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 28 14:39:19 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:39:19 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: Actually that is debatable. It is the "continent of Europe"- thus does not include the British Isles. At 11:22 AM 11/28/2009, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >British people are Europeans as well! >Though they're not living on the continent. > >I drove often UK cars in England with steering wheel on the RH side. >Not problem at all... > >Cheers, > >Hans >Netherlands > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Arundell" >To: "4 - MG List" ; "Paul Hunt" > >Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:46 AM >Subject: Re: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road > > >>Is it true that Europeans and Americans are unable to change gear with their >>left hand, thus causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road? >> >>Murray Arundell >>Brisbane Australia where we drive on the correct side of the road....... :) >> >>On Sat Nov 28 19:18 , "Paul Hunt" sent: >> >>>As far as the last image goes the Palatino Bridge in Rome is known as >>>'English Bridge" for the same reason. What bugs me is that although cars >>>for the UK market are built RHD of course, they are built with LHD steering >>>columns i.e. the indicator switch on the left instead of the right. Japan >>>was one of the last countries producing for the UK market to change over >>>from having it on the right, presumably deciding to give the UK a 'European' >>>column even though they are RHD themselves, and presumably (although I'm >>>guessing) still have the indicator switch on the right for their own market. >>> >>>PaulH. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>Left - right - wrong? > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 14:44:42 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:44:42 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> <20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> I have driven both LHD and RHD cars on the left hand side of the road and the right hand side of the road. In fact, at one time, I was doing a weekly commute from Italy (where I had a RHD car) to the UK (where I had a LHD car) -- yes: the wrong side in both countries! Once you get used to it, it's not a problem. You just have to adjust to using different cues to where on the road you should be. The only difficulty is overtaking on narrow roads and paying tolls! Simon On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Bert Palte wrote: > I beg to differ. > > Driving in Britain at the wrong side of the road with my European LHD car > was something I got used to very quickly. > Driving a RHD car, however, over here in the R.H. traffic Continent, > was something I definitely did not like! > > Just my $.02 worth > Bert > > At 17:22 28-11-2009, you wrote: >> >> British people are Europeans as well! >> Though they're not living on the continent. >> >> I drove often UK cars in England with steering wheel on the RH side. >> Not problem at all... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From barrie at look.ca Sat Nov 28 15:00:30 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:00:30 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <503790.82722.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> <40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com> <4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> <503790.82722.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As we are on capacitors/condensers I have first hand knowledge of a lost technology - actually not lost but hidden. In the 1960s a company, "X", (largest resistor manufacturer in the UK) bought a capacitor invention from some clever bloke in London. They perfected it and went into production. It was phenomenal. - cheap to make, waterproof, virtually indestructible, incredibly good and constant tolerances. They just looked like blobs of sealing wax. But another company, "Y", who was much larger and the "king" of capacitors visited them and said that if they continued to make and sell capacitors, then they would start to manufacture resistors. So "X" realising they could be into serious competition stopped production but held on to the process as a deterrent against Y. The capacitors were used in the Decca navigator equipment...and I have a bunch of them. Now with integrated circuits the process is not so valuable....but in those days .......hmmmm. How do I know this? I was a part-time "development engineer" with X during university terms - making so cash and getting experience. At 04:22 PM 11/28/2009, Barney Gaylord wrote: >At 12:16 PM 11/28/2009 -0600, The Roxter wrote: > >... > >I have always wondered why we call a capacitor a "condenser" just > >because it's on a car. > >.... > >Ah, history time. The term "condenser" is not unique to automobiles >use. The device was originally called a condenser long before it >became known as a capacitor. > >According to Wikipedia, "The term [condenser] was first used for this >purpose by Alessandro Volta in 1782, with reference to the device's >ability to store a higher density of electric charge than a normal >isolated conductor". Apparently Wikipedia is wrong, and that was not >the first use of the term (or the original concept). > >See here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3726/is_200506/ai_n13643083/ >The term "condenser" was earlier applied to application of the Leyden >Jar (invented 1745), used to collect and store an electrical charge, >assumed at the time to be a condensed fluid. For the next two >centuries, devices used to retain electrical charges were called >condensers [and sometimes still are]. > >More recently the device came to be called "capacitor" when it became >easier to calculate the actual capacity of the device to store >electrical charge, and devices were invented that had the capacity to >store much larger charges. Now lets see if someone can find the date >of first use of the term "capacitor" for this device. > >Incidentally, there is one electrical condenser that is definitely >not a capacitor, the synchronous condenser (more like an electric >motor with no output shaft). > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 28 15:39:18 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:39:18 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au><47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c><20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0716FD00B1744A689DAD14079D5D8E52@HomePC> My Austin Ute is RHD and I have zero problem driving it here in the states. Nor do I have any problem driving a RHD vehicle on the left side of the road in Ireland -- for a few days. I find that when I first get there I'm good for the first few days and then I get too comfortable with it and start to not think about what I am doing. My wife occasionally has to remind me to get into the left lane as she is digging her claws into the dash. Larry Daniels -------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Matthews" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:44 PM To: "Bert Palte" Cc: Subject: Re: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road I have driven both LHD and RHD cars on the left hand side of the road and the right hand side of the road. In fact, at one time, I was doing a weekly commute from Italy (where I had a RHD car) to the UK (where I had a LHD car) -- yes: the wrong side in both countries! Once you get used to it, it's not a problem. You just have to adjust to using different cues to where on the road you should be. The only difficulty is overtaking on narrow roads and paying tolls! Simon From rocknatural at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 16:09:42 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:09:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> <20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B11ADB6.204@gmail.com> Simon Matthews wrote: > I have driven both LHD and RHD cars on the left hand side of the road > and the right hand side of the road. In fact, at one time, I was doing > a weekly commute from Italy (where I had a RHD car) to the UK (where I > had a LHD car) -- yes: the wrong side in both countries! > > Once you get used to it, it's not a problem. You just have to adjust > to using different cues to where on the road you should be. The only > difficulty is overtaking on narrow roads and paying tolls! I used to use a method for Mickey D's and the Bank that wouldn't work for the toll booths. I would spin the Mini around and go through backwards. Always got a big laugh from the driveup people. -The Roxter -- From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 28 16:43:28 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <000001ca7080$7d515f10$77f41d30$@net> References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au><47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c><20091128172851.4DC5118765E@autox.team.net> <40b437200911281344h26592af6vae01351e489fd838@mail.gmail.com> <0716FD00B1744A689DAD14079D5D8E52@HomePC> <000001ca7080$7d515f10$77f41d30$@net> Message-ID: You aren't kidding about that. It is super-slow. If I could bottle it as a sleep aid, I'd make a fortune. In fact, it's like the guys who race against you -- should I pass him now or just wait until he breaks? Back at ya, LAD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:14 PM To: "'Larry Daniels'" ; "'Simon Matthews'" Cc: Subject: RE: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road Larry, one of the reasons you have no problem driving it here is it is far too slow to pass anyone or anything. :) If you had to pull out to pass and waited until you could see from that right seat, then you'd have trouble. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Daniels > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:39 PM > To: Simon Matthews > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road > > My Austin Ute is RHD and I have zero problem driving it here in the > states. > Nor do I have any problem driving a RHD vehicle on the left side of the > road > in Ireland -- for a few days. I find that when I first get there I'm > good > for the first few days and then I get too comfortable with it and start > to > not think about what I am doing. My wife occasionally has to remind me > to > get into the left lane as she is digging her claws into the dash. > > Larry Daniels From sales at justbrits.com Sat Nov 28 18:06:59 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:06:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Wheeler Dealers MGB GT Redo In-Reply-To: <505FC29CC37D443081A0A92624C07B60@RickPC> References: <505FC29CC37D443081A0A92624C07B60@RickPC> Message-ID: <4B11C933.2080608@justbrits.com> From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Nov 28 18:51:38 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:51:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts In-Reply-To: <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com> <40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com> <4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4B11D3AA.1020202@ktc.com> A compressor motor-start capacitor failed in my residence's heat pump recently. Two caps in one can actually. Only one failed. Quite a markup in those........ Grrrrr... CR Charles Hill wrote: > Used to work that way, but not recently. I work in IT for a large > state agency with several thousand desktop PCs. We have had problems > for the last few years with PCs starting to fail after 2 to 3 years in > service. Brand doesn't seem to matter. The first thing we do is pop > the cover and look at the capacitors. More often than not there will > be 2 or 3 bulging or corroded capacitors. Hopefully they have the > problem cured in the latest batch. They have only been in service for > a year though. > Regards, > Charles Hill > > Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >> That's called "burning in" these days. I always look for burnt in >> boards. As you say, makes a difference in longevity. >> >> CR From sales at justbrits.com Sat Nov 28 18:56:41 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:56:41 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Wheeler Dealers MGB GT Redo] Message-ID: <4B11D4D9.2040307@justbrits.com> Sorry, sent in HTML first try & not 'plain' text !!! -------- Original Message -------- Rick: << The British TV Show Wheeler Dealers will be doing a makeover on an MGBGT >> Missed it [by THAT much!" ] !!! Whilst THAT episode is not yet on www.wheelerdealer.com there IS one for a Mini !!! And some others !! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Nov 28 18:57:23 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:57:23 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: <4B11D503.8020601@ktc.com> Not so. I've met several Brits who consider themselves Europeans. CR Paul Hunt wrote: > That's an outrageous thing to say!! ... > > ----- Original Message ----- >> British people are Europeans as well! > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 29 10:30:26 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:30:26 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] looking for an early (post bugeye) Sprite Message-ID: <8A08768D713E453593D32151748CD2C6@ranteer.local> hi, all. a friend of mine is looking for an early post bugeye sprite. has to be in good running condition. he is not looking for a project. we're scouring ebay and local (texas) craigslist. anyone know of a nice one? he doesn't want a trailer queen. thanks! From mgman71 at comcast.net Sun Nov 29 15:15:53 2009 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mgs] Miata Seats Message-ID: <1841582269.8644011259532953012.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Group: Has anyone up Miata seats in there MGB if so what seat tracks were used? if anyone has any info on this please let me know. Thank You George Re From ptrmgb at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 15:36:26 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:36:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Miata Seats In-Reply-To: <5b0769cb0911291434q2168c7f7m42a5ef29efc46e15@mail.gmail.com> References: <1841582269.8644011259532953012.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <5b0769cb0911291434q2168c7f7m42a5ef29efc46e15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b0769cb0911291436w57aa174fy82dcb49155c58d2d@mail.gmail.com> I made some adapters with some sheet metal. Cut off the pin and flatten the front bracket. On Nov 29, 2009 4:32 PM, "George Re" wrote: Group: Has anyone up Miata seats in there MGB if so what seat tracks were used? if anyone has any info on this please let me know. Thank You George Re Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From ejrussell at mebtel.net Sun Nov 29 16:03:15 2009 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:03:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgs Digest] looking for an early (post bugeye) Sprite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422A51558EEB441C88245DD8C65D671E@EricJRussellPC> FWIW, a here's a web page that collects links to eBay & Craig's List (& a few others) that you can sort by location and filter for specific models & years. http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi?cat=cp Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- > a friend of mine is looking for an early post bugeye sprite. > > we're scouring ebay and local (texas) craigslist. From otis15 at aol.com Sun Nov 29 18:00:52 2009 From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:00:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Miata Seats In-Reply-To: <1841582269.8644011259532953012.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1841582269.8644011259532953012.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CC3F6FB2A8DB81-23D4-2052A@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> I tried a set and ended up buying the whole car, a 2009 power roof sport touring edition. steve -----Original Message----- From: George Re To: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2009 2:15 pm Subject: [Mgs] Miata Seats Group: Has anyone up Miata seats in there MGB if so what seat tracks ere used? if anyone has any info on this please let me know. hank You George Re Mgs at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 22:49:23 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Late Friday funny Message-ID: Every so often you come across a page at Amazon that is funnier than hell. http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8 Make sure you look at all the customer supplied pictures and read the reviews... Rick From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 30 01:42:33 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:42:33 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <4B116898.7040308@gmail.com> Message-ID: And some fell on stony ground ... ----- Original Message ----- > Murray Arundell wrote: >> Is it true that Europeans and Americans are unable to change gear with >> their >> left hand, thus causing them to drive on the wrong side of the road? > I never had a problem with it. I really enjoyed the challenge of driving > in the UK, with automatics and manuals. On the other hand, my Mini is RHD, > so that helped. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 30 01:43:29 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:43:29 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com><40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com><4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net><40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com><4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> <503790.82722.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68D4C59761974D1884D872E1657E06EB@paul> Well there's a surprise ... ----- Original Message ----- > Apparently Wikipedia is wrong... From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 30 01:49:38 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:49:38 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: Message-ID: <8C7E82B7730045759704829326F1A017@paul> Not relevant, in the olden days (as my grandkids would say) many distributor ignition cars didn't have a tach either. Today probably most cars don't have a distributor either, around half will be Diesel, but many if not most will have a tach. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >... But being a diesel it didn't have any tachometer > (It didn't have a distributor) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 30 02:05:54 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:05:54 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Late Friday funny References: Message-ID: Errr, either that's nothing to write home about, or Hell is being knowingly mis-sold ... ----- Original Message ----- > Every so often you come across a page at Amazon that is funnier than hell. From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Nov 30 08:21:02 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:21:02 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels References: <4AD7BC0C.2050607@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A533FDA10154F13B2DE8454061D07A6@Edscomputer> List, What vendor has the best price on Dayton chrome wire wheels? Ed Woods From mgbob at juno.com Mon Nov 30 08:29:46 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:29:46 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] slow, hungry wiper motor Message-ID: <20091130.103200.3312.10.MGBOB@juno.com> First thing I would check on is resistance to the output of the motor. The motors themselves work well for a long time. Disconnect it and separate the push-pull cable so that you can test its action. Push & pull on the cable with wiper blades off the glass. If there is any grinding or sticking, there is trouble in the cable or in the wheelboxes. If there is resistance in the wheelboxes, you may..... be able to free them w/o R&R, and the job is sufficiently difficult that efforts to free them are worthwhile. Check back for details if they turn out to be the problem. Bob On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:16:26 -0800 Aaron Whiteman writes: > Driving home last night, I saw a very faint glow in the ignition > warning > light. It was raining, it was dark, and I had the radio on. I have > a > decently sized alternator, so this is not a situation where I > normally think I > would be overloading it. > > After a few miles of travel, I determined the glow went away when I > turned off > the wipers, which have been a bit sluggish anyway. > > So my question is simple, where do I look first? > * the wiper transmission > * the green circuit feeding the motor > * the motor itself > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=-VMTKP6oGwcjwPylBf_J1wAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From mgbob at juno.com Mon Nov 30 07:59:13 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts Message-ID: <20091130.103200.3312.5.MGBOB@juno.com> Somehow we got into the practice of replacing points & condensers at the same time. As far back as I remember, the job was almost one word - points&condenser. TD condensers were soldered to a bracket on the plate. In the workshop manual it is written that condensers should be changed only when needed, implying that several sets of points would be worn out before condenser was bad. Changing the condenser required un-soldering the condenser from the bracket and soldering in a new one. Bob On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:20:28 -0800 Simon Matthews writes: > Robert, > > I have suggested on s3veral occasions on this mailing list that > condensers should not be replaced unless they have failed. There is > plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that condensers have a high > early failure rate, but those that survive early failure will last > for a long time (many decades). > > Hence, by routinely replacing condensers, you are much more likely > to > have a condenser fail, because you risk the early failure of your > newly replaced condenser. > > Simon ____________________________________________________________ Online Doctorate Degrees Find leading online Phd programs. Study anywhere anytime. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Eh3WhKFP3MmKKXuOsaX2NAAAJ1CFcZuYg3ZrSi-zVv-uUL-FAAQAAAAFAAAAABdblT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaUcwAAAAA= From ccrobins at ktc.com Mon Nov 30 11:08:24 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:08:24 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Late Friday funny In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B140A18.2090307@ktc.com> ROFL! Lots of people had fun with those reviews. CR Richard Ewald wrote: > Every so often you come across a page at Amazon that is funnier than hell. > http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8 > Make sure you look at all the customer supplied pictures and read the > reviews... > Rick From ccrobins at ktc.com Mon Nov 30 11:13:07 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Late Friday funny In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B140B33.2010706@ktc.com> Paul, Did you read any of the "reviews?" That's where the amusement is. "...lining up tequila shots while driving from bar to bar...." CR Paul Hunt wrote: > Errr, either that's nothing to write home about, or Hell is being > knowingly mis-sold ... > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Every so often you come across a page at Amazon that is funnier than >> hell. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From jello at cableone.net Mon Nov 30 12:01:21 2009 From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels Message-ID: <1387.1259607681@cableone.net> /l1oXvn: Permission denied From ccrobins at ktc.com Mon Nov 30 11:18:12 2009 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charley & Peggy Robinson) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:18:12 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road In-Reply-To: <8C7E82B7730045759704829326F1A017@paul> References: <8C7E82B7730045759704829326F1A017@paul> Message-ID: <4B140C64.30204@ktc.com> Yep, my 2007 Ranger pickup has no distributor but has a tach, which is mostly useless since it has an automatic tranny. I say mostly because I /can/ see when it goes into overdrive. CR Paul Hunt wrote: > Not relevant, in the olden days (as my grandkids would say) many > distributor ignition cars didn't have a tach either. Today probably > most cars don't have a distributor either, around half will be Diesel, > but many if not most will have a tach. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... But being a diesel it didn't have any tachometer >> (It didn't have a distributor) From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Mon Nov 30 14:20:20 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:20:20 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road References: <50774.1259398009@mail.webconnect.com.au> <47DC1DA375774A309B5A08DA2A693806@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: <266403F546DB4781A82B19CE544BEBB2@uw471de61b465c> allright - allrigth; they're odd Europeans, but I like them very much. Any flood problems Paul? We have not, but the land is soaked Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Hans Duinhoven" ; "4 - MG List" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] The wrong side of the road > That's an outrageous thing to say!! ... From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Mon Nov 30 14:26:27 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:26:27 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts References: <4B0E7DF0.3000609@stclegal.com><40b437200911260720g71fe7c45jf5ebbc7deca08c90@mail.gmail.com> <4B1021DA.50804@ktc.com><4B108D12.6020309@sbcglobal.net><40b437200911271950p5581f7acv5b5667e249a34da2@mail.gmail.com><4B10A8CD.1070803@sbcglobal.net> <4B11691A.7080004@gmail.com> <503790.82722.qm@smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the erm condensor is mostly used when it applies to electrolitic capacitors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barney Gaylord" To: "The Roxter" ; "MG List" Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA sputtering engine and bad replacement parts > At 12:16 PM 11/28/2009 -0600, The Roxter wrote: >>... >>I have always wondered why we call a capacitor a "condenser" just >>because it's on a car. >>.... > > Ah, history time. The term "condenser" is not unique to automobiles > use. The device was originally called a condenser long before it > became known as a capacitor. > > According to Wikipedia, "The term [condenser] was first used for this > purpose by Alessandro Volta in 1782, with reference to the device's > ability to store a higher density of electric charge than a normal > isolated conductor". Apparently Wikipedia is wrong, and that was not > the first use of the term (or the original concept). > > See here: > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3726/is_200506/ai_n13643083/ > The term "condenser" was earlier applied to application of the Leyden > Jar (invented 1745), used to collect and store an electrical charge, > assumed at the time to be a condensed fluid. For the next two > centuries, devices used to retain electrical charges were called > condensers [and sometimes still are]. > > More recently the device came to be called "capacitor" when it became > easier to calculate the actual capacity of the device to store > electrical charge, and devices were invented that had the capacity to > store much larger charges. Now lets see if someone can find the date > of first use of the term "capacitor" for this device. > > Incidentally, there is one electrical condenser that is definitely > not a capacitor, the synchronous condenser (more like an electric > motor with no output shaft). > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From barrie at look.ca Mon Nov 30 13:56:41 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:56:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels In-Reply-To: <4A533FDA10154F13B2DE8454061D07A6@Edscomputer> References: <4AD7BC0C.2050607@comcast.net> <4A533FDA10154F13B2DE8454061D07A6@Edscomputer> Message-ID: Ed, A few years back I shopped around and found Little British Car Co the best price (lbcarco at lbcarco.com) At 10:21 AM 11/30/2009, Ed Woods wrote: >List, > >What vendor has the best price on Dayton chrome wire wheels? > >Ed Woods > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie barrie at look.ca (705) 721-9060 From wspohn4 at aol.com Mon Nov 30 15:15:43 2009 From: wspohn4 at aol.com (wspohn4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:15:43 EST Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels Message-ID: <574.6be9320c.38459e0f@aol.com> Best prices and service are from seller martingfwho sells on Ebay. He is a dentist and a good guy and will have the wheels shipped yo you direct from the factory. Just contact him for any special requests. Bill (got my 15x6 - 15 Jamaican wheels through Marty) In a message dated 11/30/2009 1:59:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, barrie at look.ca writes: A few years back I shopped around and found Little British Car Co the best price From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Nov 30 19:52:56 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels References: <1387.1259607681@cableone.net> Message-ID: <894F6F724CA6492EBAF332E348A73B6B@Edscomputer> List, Bought a pair of Daytons from the guy on Ebay. 14", Chrome, 60 spoke, 5" width, tubeless. $332 each, including shipping. Ed From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon Nov 30 20:00:54 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Dayton chrome wire wheels References: <1387.1259607681@cableone.net> Message-ID: <4C8D52687D86472D80CAAF905814B17F@Edscomputer> List, FWIW, the 4 Dayton wheels I've purchased this year are to replace 4, 20 year old chrome Dunlops. The Dunlops were used very little, but had serious rust problems on the hubs, spokes and rims. AFAIK, they have no "truing" problems. I don't know if current Indian Dunlops still have chromed spokes, but if they do, it's one more reason to buy Daytons which have stainless spokes. And the Daytons, as I purchased them, have the tubeless option. That's a big deal since so many places will not longer deal with tube type wheels. And they're still manufactured in the USA! NFI, just stating my reasons for going in the Dayton direction. Ed Woods