From don at napanet.net Sat May 2 15:06:32 2009 From: don at napanet.net (don) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 14:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Twincam MGB on CL Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090502140454.034098f8@pop.napanet.net> I'd like to see the Unisyn installation. First I've heard of this. >http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1149940079.html Don Scott Calistoga 1962 MGA Mk II 2001 Miata BRG 1973 MGB GT 1962 TR4 (seeking) From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sun May 3 11:14:00 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB windscreen References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com> <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> Message-ID: <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> List, I am still struggling with what started out to be a "simple" windscreen glass replacement that has turned into a struggle to remove the screws which retain the four corner brackets. Very few came out in the standard "left loose" manner. The remainder had to have their heads drilled out. Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? How much heat will they take before the aluminum of the frame is damaged? Thanks, Ed Woods From dwoerpel at wi.net Sun May 3 10:37:18 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Wisconsin AUCTION Message-ID: <49FDC83E.3040003@wi.net> For those of you in or near SE Wisconsin. My daughter-in-law sent me the following auction notice and I'm just passing it on. http://www.chuillisauction.com/auction.php?action=get&id=342 The Bugeye looks to be fairly original form the pic. It has a wooden steering wheel but the rearview mirror caught my eye. My Bugeye had the same mirror when I got it. When I restored it to "as original" I put on the cheapo mirror with the clamp mounting. Now I'm wondering if the other mirror wasn't original to the car; perhaps dealer added? Just another of those mysteries that makes these car so interesting for us "historians". BTW, The 1968 MG Midget in the auction looks a lot like a MGB. I may get to the auction ad check it out. Some interesting guns also. I particularly like the Krag. Have fun! Dave W. From fogbro1 at comcast.net Mon May 4 06:25:31 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Replacing MGB windscreen glass Message-ID: <0C0F4597101543E78C5F4D2D5B47AF63@Edscomputer> List, I am still struggling with what started out to be a "simple" windscreen glass replacement that has turned into a struggle to remove the screws which retain the four corner brackets. Very few came out in the standard "left loose" manner. The remainder had to have their heads drilled out. And, yes, I soaked them for days in "Blaster" and used heat before resorting to the drill. Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? How much heat will they take before the aluminum of the frame is damaged? Thanks, Ed Woods From ptrmgb at gmail.com Sat May 2 21:28:57 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Twincam MGB on CL In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20090502140454.034098f8@pop.napanet.net> References: <6.0.3.0.1.20090502140454.034098f8@pop.napanet.net> Message-ID: <3253537B-3469-4565-B90A-7A6484C8666F@gmail.com> seems to me the decimal point is 1 too many to the right. On May 2, 2009, at 4:06 PM, don wrote: > I'd like to see the Unisyn installation. First I've heard of this. > >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1149940079.html > > > Don Scott > Calistoga > 1962 MGA Mk II > 2001 Miata BRG > 1973 MGB GT > 1962 TR4 (seeking) _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From barrie at look.ca Mon May 4 09:51:50 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MG Midget for sale Message-ID: In case anyone is looking for an MG Midget this gentleman is selling his. He has spent $6,000 on it and it is now appraised at $7,000 - not what one would call a good investment but then they are fun - not investments. Here is his email address pkovacs at fourseasonssunrooms.com Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue May 5 17:23:06 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Twincam MGB on CL References: <6.0.3.0.1.20090502140454.034098f8@pop.napanet.net> <3253537B-3469-4565-B90A-7A6484C8666F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101c9cdda$5191bd00$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> no. wait. its ebayret-jackson . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: "don" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Twincam MGB on CL > seems to me the decimal point is 1 too many to the right. > > On May 2, 2009, at 4:06 PM, don wrote: > >> I'd like to see the Unisyn installation. First I've heard of this. >> >>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1149940079.html From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 6 01:04:25 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net status Message-ID: <20090506070425.0AB7E2E07F@bradakis.com> Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 6 01:45:39 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:45:39 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB windscreen References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com><4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <357EFB51FEF546D5B01214EA5A40CD17@Three> I'd just drill and tap them. BT, DT. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Thu May 7 09:37:44 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MGB sighting in advert Message-ID: <40b437200905070837h515df5ffiaeb381800e761066@mail.gmail.com> Red Hawk Casino is running adverts in the SF Bay area in which a white RBB MGB can be seen. Simon From degraff at erols.com Thu May 7 12:14:21 2009 From: degraff at erols.com (Elliott and Martha DeGraff) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:14:21 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB windscreen In-Reply-To: <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com> <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4A0324FD.10905@erols.com> Try lots of PB and then use a drill with a left hand twist. The combination of torque, friction heat and vibration usually backs most screws out. Ed Woods wrote: > List, > > I am still struggling with what started out to be a "simple" windscreen > glass replacement that has turned into a struggle to remove the screws > which retain the four corner brackets. Very few came out in the standard > "left loose" manner. The remainder had to have their heads drilled out. > > Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? How much heat > will they take before the aluminum of the frame is damaged? > > Thanks, > > Ed Woods _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as degraff at erols.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From ptrmgb at gmail.com Thu May 7 12:58:47 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:58:47 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB windscreen In-Reply-To: <4A0324FD.10905@erols.com> References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com> <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> <4A0324FD.10905@erols.com> Message-ID: Chunky or creamy? VB :-) On May 7, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Elliott and Martha DeGraff wrote: > Try lots of PB and then use a drill with a left hand twist. The > combination of torque, friction heat and vibration usually backs > most screws out. > > Ed Woods wrote: >> List, >> I am still struggling with what started out to be a "simple" >> windscreen glass replacement that has turned into a struggle to >> remove the screws which retain the four corner brackets. Very few >> came out in the standard "left loose" manner. The remainder had to >> have their heads drilled out. >> Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? How much >> heat will they take before the aluminum of the frame is damaged? >> Thanks, >> Ed Woods _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> You are subscribed as degraff at erols.com >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu May 7 13:39:55 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:39:55 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB windscreen References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com> <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> <5D7A195040B44620B134F9BBAF21B6FA@Edscomputer> <4A0324FD.10905@erols.com> Message-ID: <2C225CC8805C4A409E5AFCBD702E77F3@Edscomputer> I like the idea of a left hand twist drill. Glad I asked. PB blaster and other products of that ilk have never worked for me. I had on of the windscreen pieces literally soaking in PB blaster for a week to no avail. I think PB Blaster must be made by the same company that makes the Easy Outs. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elliott and Martha DeGraff" To: "Ed Woods" Cc: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB windscreen > Try lots of PB and then use a drill with a left hand twist. The > combination of torque, friction heat and vibration usually backs most > screws out. > > Ed Woods wrote: >> List, >> >> I am still struggling with what started out to be a "simple" windscreen >> glass replacement that has turned into a struggle to remove the screws >> which retain the four corner brackets. Very few came out in the standard >> "left loose" manner. The remainder had to have their heads drilled out. >> >> Any ideas about how to remove the remains of these screws? How much heat >> will they take before the aluminum of the frame is damaged? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed Woods _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as degraff at erols.com >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri May 8 17:22:25 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:22:25 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Wisconsin Auction MGB part2 of 2 Message-ID: <4A04BEB1.204@wi.net> 1968 MGB: Better condition than the Sprite. It does have rocker covers covering bad rocker and external sills. I infer from that the interior and castle rail are probably shot. Floors were fairly good and I didn't detect any holes. Bonnet has a basketball size dent that, if steel, can be fixed. Trunk fairly good with light surface rust in spots. Underneath is good as well. Dash is cracked in the usual place. Instruments original, seats need to be redone as does carpeting and the interior panels (may be made presentable by the "We Tight" crowd). Engine original with smog equip. removed. I know the mechanics that took care of the car and they would have kept it running and made some improvements. However the car appears to be, like the Sprite, VERY original. And again, if it were me I would do a ground up, keep it original (at least the obvious parts ;-) ), and probably spend $10k doing it. Wish I could bid on both of these cars but a new garage has top priority. Never was good on timing....a lot of missed opportunities. Damn hobby; never satisfied! Anyway, the 30-40 Krag is an unmolested model 98 and in great shape. The .303 Enfield child's sporter in in good shape too and the raw wood block extension on the butt can be removed. There is a Japanese (Type 99??) rifle in great condition but, of course, has the chrysanthemum ground off. I've only seen one with it on as they had to be defaced to legally bring them into the country, or so the legend goes. The 44 mag with long barrel (11") and scope is a nice "uncle frightener". The diesel Benz runs and sounds good. Don't know about the XJ but there is a 12 cyl engine with attached slushbox sitting in the corner of the garage. TR6 also very dubious. Corvette doesn't sound good and the 924 runs. I shall be there with my Spridgets shirt on trying to figure out a way to stuff the Jag V12 lump into the Bugeye. End of report. Dave "The Scrounger" Woerpel Previously on 24: Dave Woerpel wrote: > For those of you in or near SE Wisconsin. My daughter-in-law sent me > the following auction notice and I'm just passing it on. > > http://www.chuillisauction.com/auction.php?action=get&id=342 > > The Bugeye looks to be fairly original form the pic. It has a wooden > steering wheel but the rearview mirror caught my eye. My Bugeye had > the same mirror when I got it. When I restored it to "as original" I > put on the cheapo mirror with the clamp mounting. > Now I'm wondering if the other mirror wasn't original to the car; > perhaps dealer added? Just another of those mysteries that makes > these car so interesting for us "historians". > > BTW, The 1968 MG Midget in the auction looks a lot like a MGB. I may > get to the auction ad check it out. > > Some interesting guns also. I particularly like the Krag. > Have fun! > > > Dave W. From dwoerpel at wi.net Fri May 8 17:35:52 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Wisconsin Auction Recon Part 1 of 2 Message-ID: <4A04C1D8.90105@wi.net> I got a chance to look at the Bugeye (59) and MGB (68) that are being auctioned off tomorrow. Both are good cars. Do not know if they run but it wouldn't take much. Coil is out of the BE and they had a temp. 6v battery sitting in there and the B's battery is flat. Bugeye: There is rust through on the battery/heater deck. Sills are totally bondo but did not detect any Taco Bell wrappers so it's not one of Frank's. ;-) The engine is 948 with original H1 carbs, a cheapie header, and maybe work on the block as the number plate is gone. Block says 950 using the braille method. New floors are needed and lower body panels too...lots of bondo. Instruments all original and it has an interior rearview mirror like mine (not the clamp on); another ? for another time. Spring boxes are questionable and the car sits like it should. Windscreen original and original vinyl sidecurtains. Aluminum sliding sidescreens (perspex, oops, sorry, plexiglass) are being auctioned separately and they need cleaning and new felt. A torn apart smooth case in a box and other misc. parts are there too. So, mostly original with replacement parts (even tach drive gearbox with knurled fastener but body held by 2 screws (a 3rd option??? Geez) that are period correct; no go faster mods. New top and tonneau needed. If I were doing it, it would be a ground up project, but a relative easy one. Actually it's pretty close to the Holy Sprite. END PART 1 "Previously on 24": Dave Woerpel wrote: > For those of you in or near SE Wisconsin. My daughter-in-law sent me > the following auction notice and I'm just passing it on. > > http://www.chuillisauction.com/auction.php?action=get&id=342 > > The Bugeye looks to be fairly original form the pic. It has a wooden > steering wheel but the rearview mirror caught my eye. My Bugeye had > the same mirror when I got it. When I restored it to "as original" I > put on the cheapo mirror with the clamp mounting. > Now I'm wondering if the other mirror wasn't original to the car; > perhaps dealer added? Just another of those mysteries that makes > these car so interesting for us "historians". > > BTW, The 1968 MG Midget in the auction looks a lot like a MGB. I may > get to the auction ad check it out. > > Some interesting guns also. I particularly like the Krag. > Have fun! > > > Dave W. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Fri May 8 17:39:23 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:39:23 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Wisconsin Auction MGB part2 of 2 In-Reply-To: <4A04BEB1.204@wi.net> Message-ID: Hmm, I doubt that. Almost impossible to get the skin back to its original contour once it's been stretched. Can't get it on a wheel without taking the skin off. At that point a new steel hood is much cheaper. But it sounds like there are plenty of other challenges... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/8/09 4:22 PM, David Woerpel at dwoerpel at wi.net wrote: > Bonnet has a basketball size dent that, if steel, can > be fixed. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri May 8 20:49:08 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] anyone ever actually seen one of these????? Message-ID: <001901c9d050$bba23260$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ From bmcspares at aol.com Fri May 8 21:42:45 2009 From: bmcspares at aol.com (bmcspares at aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] anyone ever actually seen one of these????? In-Reply-To: <001901c9d050$bba23260$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <001901c9d050$bba23260$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <8CB9E6F597A16BD-10DC-1E55@webmail-da14.sysops.aol.com> Hi, actually John Pritchard of Phoenix AZ?had one on his MGTD which he?purchased the TD?new. Marie Thompson now owns that car since John passed away several years ago. Jon Nyhus Phoenix AZ -----Original Message----- From: oliver To: mg-t-request at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 7:49 pm Subject: [Mgs] anyone ever actually seen one of these????? http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ You are subscribed as bmcspares at aol.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From dwillner at ptd.net Sat May 9 14:05:01 2009 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Split bumper light ass'y needed Message-ID: <000601c9d0e1$703b8e20$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Thought I'd ask and see if anyone might have an extra license plate light assembly for a 1970 split bumper US MGB, or know where I could search. It was the only year they made this light I believe, it has the clear round glass cover that mount on the underside of the bumper near the plate. I only need the socket section, wire, and rubber bulb connector. Appreciate the help, thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat May 9 15:00:03 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue Message-ID: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> Sometimes, I think that I should have just bought a complete generator. I took the generator apart again to inspect the front bearing, with the idea of using the armature/front plate from a generator that had been lying on one of my shelves.It looks like the armature had been rubbing on the metal plates that are inside the windings on the case (the field windings?). Also, looking at the rear plate more carefully, the rear bearing was worn through. How does one R&R the bronze bushing in the rear plate? Regards, Simon P.S. I can't directly use the spare generator because it has different connectors. If everything else fails, I'll change the connectors on my car. From rocknatural at gmail.com Sat May 9 16:19:39 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:19:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Split bumper light ass'y needed In-Reply-To: <000601c9d0e1$703b8e20$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> References: <000601c9d0e1$703b8e20$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Message-ID: <4A06017B.4060707@gmail.com> davewillner wrote: > Thought I'd ask and see if anyone might have an extra license plate light > assembly for a 1970 split bumper US MGB, or know where I could search. It was > the only year they made this light I believe, it has the clear round glass > cover that mount on the underside of the bumper near the plate. I only need > the socket section, wire, and rubber bulb connector. Appreciate the help, > thanks East West in Tulsa has a few MGBs, you might inquire at parts at eastwestautoparts.com -The Roxter -- From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat May 9 17:52:34 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:52:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com > References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090509235246.50C96187871@autox.team.net> At 02:00 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >.... >.... the rear bearing was worn through. How does one R&R the bronze >bushing in the rear plate? Screw a thread cutting tap into it and pull it out. >.... >P.S. I can't directly use the spare generator because it has >different connectors. If everything else fails, I'll change the >connectors on my car. Connectors changed form screw post to push-on for MGA 1600-MK-II and continued into MGB production. Most replacement generators will have push-on connectors. Easy enough to change connectors on the harness. For concours show, have the old generator rebuilt, or use the old housing with field magnets and the old rear plate. Armatures and front plates are interchangeable. Carbon brushes are different. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat May 9 21:04:00 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:04:00 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> Barney, On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > At 02:00 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >> >> .... >> .... the rear bearing was worn through. How does one R&R the bronze >> bushing in the rear plate? > > Screw a thread cutting tap into it and pull it out. Any idea what size this is? I have a set of taps, but nothing that big, so I will have to buy a new tap. Any comments on pushing in the new bushing? Simon > >> .... >> P.S. I can't directly use the spare generator because it has different >> connectors. If everything else fails, I'll change the connectors on my car. > > Connectors changed form screw post to push-on for MGA 1600-MK-II and > continued into MGB production. Most replacement generators will have > push-on connectors. Easy enough to change connectors on the harness. For > concours show, have the old generator rebuilt, or use the old housing with > field magnets and the old rear plate. Armatures and front plates are > interchangeable. Carbon brushes are different. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com From dwoerpel at wi.net Sat May 9 23:19:03 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Report Wisconsin Auction Message-ID: <4A0663C7.70100@wi.net> FWIW, a brief report on the auction Sunday. 1988 Corvette automatic - $8500 Porsche 924 - $850...yup, 850. Good condition too. Volks ver afrait ov der Deutsche mechanische. 1968 MGB - $1300 1959 Bugeye - $2500 I might help work on this one after the body work is completed. That's all I know about the cars as I was helping the guy that bought the Bugeye. The Colt .44 Mag with 8" barrel and scope went for $750! The deceased owner, apparently one of those eccentric mechanical engineers like those on the list (teehee), bought great stuff and then they sat. Later, stricken with heart and diabetes problems he had a friend drive him around in the cars every so often. Sad story really. Back to regular programming. Dave W. From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sun May 10 00:07:34 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:07:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.co m> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> At 08:04 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >.... >On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > > At 02:00 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: > >> .... > >> .... the rear bearing was worn through. How does one R&R the > bronze bushing in the rear plate? > > > > Screw a thread cutting tap into it and pull it out. > >Any idea what size this is? I have a set of taps, but nothing that >big, so I will have to buy a new tap. > >Any comments on pushing in the new bushing? >.... I just pulled one out to measure. Generator rear shaft is .590" dia. (15 mm) The bushing is thin wall sintered bronze, .592 ID x .714 OD x .88 Long. Thr tap can be 5/8-in or 16-mm. I just screwed in a 5/8-18-UNF tap. When it hits bottom keep turning, and the bushing will come out easily without pulling. The bushing is only 1/16" thick when new. If it is seriously worn very thin you can pick one side with a knife point or ice pick to bend it inward away from the housing bore and pull it out with a long nose pliers. Being thin wall bronze the new one will press in easily, or tap gently with a light hammer and flat nose punch. Try not to make a burr on the end of the bushing. After installation, insert the armature shaft into the bushing and turn it to be sure it will run free. Barney From dwoerpel at wi.net Sun May 10 09:10:34 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:10:34 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> <20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4A06EE6A.9020001@wi.net> Barney, Should the new bushing be soaked in a light weight oil overnight before installing. At least that's what I've been told. Dave W. > > I just pulled one out to measure. > Generator rear shaft is .590" dia. (15 mm) > The bushing is thin wall sintered bronze, > .592 ID x .714 OD x .88 Long. > > Thr tap can be 5/8-in or 16-mm. I just screwed in a 5/8-18-UNF tap. > When it hits bottom keep turning, and the bushing will come out easily > without pulling. > > The bushing is only 1/16" thick when new. If it is seriously worn > very thin you can pick one side with a knife point or ice pick to bend > it inward away from the housing bore and pull it out with a long nose > pliers. > > Being thin wall bronze the new one will press in easily, or tap gently > with a light hammer and flat nose punch. Try not to make a burr on > the end of the bushing. After installation, insert the armature shaft > into the bushing and turn it to be sure it will run free. > > Barney From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun May 10 16:26:57 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... Message-ID: <24640.17735.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, Time to brag a little. (read: proud enough to pop!) My son graduates from college this coming weekend. He'll receive his BS degree, with honors, in atomic and nuclear physics and a minor in math. Woohoo! rick From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sun May 10 19:20:51 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <4A06EE6A.9020001@wi.net> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> <20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> <4A06EE6A.9020001@wi.net> Message-ID: <20090511012118.6EDF7187655@autox.team.net> At 10:10 AM 5/10/2009 -0500, David Woerpel wrote: >.... >Should the new bushing be soaked in a light weight oil overnight >before installing. At least that's what I've been told. >.... With a sintered bronze bushing there is a 10-second shortcut to the overnight soak. Place the bushing on your thunb, open end up. Fill with oil to the top. Put your other thumb on top to seal both ends, and squeeze firmly. In a matter of seconds you will see oil beads on the outside like it was sweating, indicating full saturation of the bronze matrix. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun May 10 19:54:42 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... In-Reply-To: <8CB9FE7A371A833-C58-4F03@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fact, YES! His first car was a '79 MGB LE that had been under 12 feet of water. We rebuilt everything. And when he got his first internship at the Langmier Atmospheric Physics Lab, the first thing that they asked him was if he had ever worked on cars! Seems that most kids today have never touched a wrench/spanner. He got the job. rick --- On Sun, 5/10/09, otis15 at aol.com wrote: From: otis15 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... To: rolindsay at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:36 PM O.K. but can he do something Really important. Like adjusting a set of S.U. on a M.G.B. Congratulations Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lindsay To: ferrari ; tr3a ; IPOG ; MGS ; sl ; disco disco Sent: Sun, 10 May 2009 6:26 pm Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... Hello Friends, Time to brag a little. (read: proud enough to pop!) My son graduates from college this coming weekend. He'll receive his BS degree, with honors, in atomic and nuclear physics and a minor in math. Woohoo! rick You are subscribed as otis15 at aol.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun May 10 20:02:03 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... Message-ID: <216145.91234.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fact, YES! His first car was a '79 MGB LE that had been under 12 feet of water. We rebuilt everything. And when he got his first internship at the Langmier Atmospheric Physics Lab, the first thing that they asked him was if he had ever worked on cars! Seems that most kids today have never touched a wrench/spanner. He got the job. rick --- On Sun, 5/10/09, otis15 at aol.com wrote: From: otis15 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... To: rolindsay at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:36 PM O.K. but can he do something Really important. Like adjusting a set of S.U. on a M.G.B. Congratulations Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lindsay To: ferrari ; tr3a ; IPOG ; MGS ; sl ; disco disco Sent: Sun, 10 May 2009 6:26 pm Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... Hello Friends, Time to brag a little. (read: proud enough to pop!) My son graduates from college this coming weekend. He'll receive his BS degree, with honors, in atomic and nuclear physics and a minor in math. Woohoo! rick You are subscribed as otis15 at aol.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. From rocknatural at gmail.com Mon May 11 11:09:37 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... In-Reply-To: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A085BD1.2060305@gmail.com> Rick Lindsay wrote: > In fact, YES! His first car was a '79 MGB LE that had been under 12 feet of > water. We rebuilt everything. And when he got his first internship at the > Langmier Atmospheric Physics Lab, the first thing that they asked him was if > he had ever worked on cars! Seems that most kids today have never touched a > wrench/spanner. He got the job. > > rick Same thing they asked me when I went to work for IBM in 1966. All the whiz kids were trained on computers, but they hired about ten new guys to fix the card machines that provided all the input in those days. Those things had really exotic components like geneva drives and such. I was hired because I was building my own racing cars (MGs and Minis) and finishing races. -The Roxter -- From eric at erickson.on.net Mon May 11 19:11:44 2009 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:41:44 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] OT cool video utility Message-ID: <4A08CCD0.7050800@erickson.on.net> For those video types - and I would guess engineering types out there, friends of mine have been working for years on a really cool video utility that allows you to make 3D images from objects on video. I want one of these and thought some of you might also find it pretty cool. I immediately imagined cool video of my car... and then imagined the engineering/prototyping of design stuff for my car, mods etc. For those into this sort of stuff... I think this falls into the "seriously cool" category of techy stuff. http://nextbigthingaward.com/videotrace.html (... and yes, you can vote for them in the "next big thing" award, too, if you so desire :-) Eric From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon May 11 20:52:20 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:52:20 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] i need a contact in santa fe References: <20090220.103149.3988.6.MGBOB@juno.com><9BE7D9D19AAA491C9B905EBA639E8396@Three> <000601c9938a$4aacac50$458ca8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <001001c9d2ac$ac795350$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> please contact me off list. thank you! From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon May 11 09:13:58 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <20090511012118.769D98D8766@barracuda-1.wi.net> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> <20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> <4A06EE6A.9020001@wi.net> <20090511012118.769D98D8766@barracuda-1.wi.net> Message-ID: <4A0840B6.8090207@wi.net> Barney Gaylord wrote: > At 10:10 AM 5/10/2009 -0500, David Woerpel wrote: >> .... >> Should the new bushing be soaked in a light weight oil overnight >> before installing. At least that's what I've been told. >> .... > > With a sintered bronze bushing there is a 10-second shortcut to the > overnight soak. Place the bushing on your thunb, open end up. Fill > with oil to the top. Put your other thumb on top to seal both ends, > and squeeze firmly. In a matter of seconds you will see oil beads on > the outside like it was sweating, indicating full saturation of the > bronze matrix. > Now that is very cool....I just tried it. Thanks Barney! Dave W. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 13 03:13:49 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:13:49 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Well, it's one thing to do with an MGB ... Message-ID: <616E9D6FE0914429B129BEC571A1570B@Three> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MGB-GT-If-Carlsberg-made-Practical-Jokes_W0QQitemZ28034 4597091QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090512?IMSfp=TL0905121110001r12689#ebayphotohos ting From ptrmgb at gmail.com Wed May 13 07:20:03 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... In-Reply-To: <4A085BD1.2060305@gmail.com> References: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A085BD1.2060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F8F4420-C10B-4701-8FB8-B475F3DF093C@gmail.com> Congratulations Rick, and to your son. Rocky, I just can't see you at IBM. I served time at IBM in Kingston as a contractor in the late 80s. As buttoned down as it was then I just can't image how it was in the 60s. On May 11, 2009, at 12:09 PM, The Roxter wrote: > Rick Lindsay wrote: >> In fact, YES! His first car was a '79 MGB LE that had been under >> 12 feet of >> water. We rebuilt everything. And when he got his first >> internship at the >> Langmier Atmospheric Physics Lab, the first thing that they asked >> him was if >> he had ever worked on cars! Seems that most kids today have never >> touched a >> wrench/spanner. He got the job. >> >> rick > Same thing they asked me when I went to work for IBM in 1966. All > the whiz kids were trained on computers, but they hired about ten > new guys to fix the card machines that provided all the input in > those days. Those things had really exotic components like geneva > drives and such. I was hired because I was building my own racing > cars (MGs and Minis) and finishing races. > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 13 09:03:38 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:03:38 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW Message-ID: http://www.prestigeautotrim.com/uk/mg_home.htm From sumton at sbcglobal.net Wed May 13 09:25:59 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <612019.72313.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i ordered a prestige top formy tr6. it doesn't fit right, the windows are too big so that i have to release the front latches in order to unzip the rear window because the zippers hit the hood sticks. plus there is only 1 zipper not two. i hate the top and i would highly recommend that no one do business with this company. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Paul Hunt wrote: From: Paul Hunt Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW To: mgs at autox.team.net, MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:03 AM http://www.prestigeautotrim.com/uk/mg_home.htm _______________________________________________ From rmort at bezeqint.net Wed May 13 09:34:34 2009 From: rmort at bezeqint.net (rmort at bezeqint.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:34 +0300 (IDT) Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW Message-ID: <20090513183434.FYR31381@mas26.bezeqint.net> i bought a stayfast top for the mgb from them about 6 years ago, the price was good, and it fits great and is still in almost new condition, on a car that lives outside under only a dust cover year round. YMMV ---- WWWWW"W WW W'WW(WW* ---- >W*WW(WW:B B Wed, 13 May 2009 08:25:59 -0700 (PDT) >W WW*:B B oliver >W WW)W:B B Re: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW >WW :B B mgs at autox.team.net > >i ordered a prestige top formy tr6. it doesn't fit right, the windows are too >big so that i have to release the front latches in order to unzip the rear >window because the zippers hit the hood sticks. plus there is only 1 zipper >not two. > >i hate the top and i would highly recommend that no one do business with this >company. > >--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Paul Hunt wrote: > >From: Paul Hunt >Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW >To: mgs at autox.team.net, MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:03 AM > >http://www.prestigeautotrim.com/uk/mg_home.htm >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as rmort at bezeqint.net > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive From rocknatural at gmail.com Wed May 13 09:46:31 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... In-Reply-To: <0F8F4420-C10B-4701-8FB8-B475F3DF093C@gmail.com> References: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A085BD1.2060305@gmail.com> <0F8F4420-C10B-4701-8FB8-B475F3DF093C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0AEB57.9060901@gmail.com> Paul Root wrote: > Congratulations Rick, and to your son. > > Rocky, I just can't see you at IBM. I served time at IBM in Kingston > as a contractor in the late 80s. As buttoned down as it was then I > just can't image how it was in the 60s. I got disgusted with the Music Biz and walked out in 1961. I went back to Tulsa for a few months and attended Tulsa Tech, studying electronics. I completed about half the course and learned enough to get a good job in basic research, running a high vacuum system, doing thin film deposition. The company folded. so I went to Canada and worked at the same sort of thing up there, working for CTS of Canada (Fairchild). When that petered out, I went to work for Litton's, doing Aircraft Inertial Navigation and Weapons Release Systems, then moved over to IBM, troubleshooting card machines and doing cabling on 360 Systems. I was good at it; I was one of two special troubleshooting techs in Toronto. We did the ones nobody else could figure out. It was while I was in Ontario that I started racing an MGA and then a series of Minis. I went back in 1998, on the pit crew with Stevens Brothers Racing. I was disappointed that they had blacktopped the course at Mosport and covered up the groove my suspension cut across turn 8 when I threw a front wheel at about 90 mph. I was proud of that groove! :) -The Roxter -- From barrie at look.ca Wed May 13 10:44:38 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:44:38 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW In-Reply-To: <612019.72313.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <612019.72313.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought my whole interior for my MGB GT V8 from Prestige and found the whole package great. The vinyl was thicker than Moss, the leather was just as good, everything fitted. The added pockets all over the place are absolutely usefully marvelous. Very reasonable price. At 11:25 AM 5/13/2009, oliver wrote: >i ordered a prestige top formy tr6. it doesn't fit right, the windows are too >big so that i have to release the front latches in order to unzip the rear >window because the zippers hit the hood sticks. plus there is only 1 zipper >not two. > >i hate the top and i would highly recommend that no one do business with this >company. > >--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Paul Hunt wrote: > >From: Paul Hunt >Subject: [Mgs] Prestige MGB softtop with HRW >To: mgs at autox.team.net, MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:03 AM > >http://www.prestigeautotrim.com/uk/mg_home.htm >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 04:46:48 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] paint References: <003601c9c1ad$de608420$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> <49EC9FC8.3010509@sinclair.net> <001f01c9d4b1$e92621a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> <4A0D0F1F.2000601@sinclair.net> Message-ID: <003601c9d54a$787576b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or rustoleum) for the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? thanks! From mgbob at juno.com Fri May 15 07:06:02 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint Message-ID: <20090515.091118.3488.6.MGBOB@juno.com> For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor Ford Argent is a good match. For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different memories. Some prefer the Moss color. Some like the Duplicolor truck paint #278 Dark Canyon Red. For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It was not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish tint. Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As color memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body original paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim, inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, gas, time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would seem to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what the color was in 1952. Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, devotes a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint used to touch up cars. One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, some years after the TDs were built. Bob On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" writes: > are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or > rustoleum) for > the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? > > is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change > tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97zLiOytcacdHzzeiY2t0cCquPpCl215NWi5qbxzOSqmAEczMAo/ From guinness at stclegal.com Fri May 15 14:52:24 2009 From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:52:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Differential/Rear Hub oil on brake pads Message-ID: <4A0DD608.1090006@stclegal.com> My rear hubs leaked, and after many trials and tribulations I have them repaired thanks to Barney and his MGA website. However, the rear brake pads were soaked with the differential/rear hub oil. Can I clean them up sufficiently to re-use them (they are just two driving seasons old), or should I replace them? Thanks. -- Robert Guinness 1961 MGA From WSpohn4 at aol.com Fri May 15 14:56:27 2009 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:56:27 EDT Subject: [Mgs] Differential/Rear Hub oil on brake pads Message-ID: Brake pads? I assume that you own a Twin Cam or Deluxe, or you would have said 'brake shoes'? They usually can't be degreased very effectively. Bill In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:52:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guinness at stclegal.com writes: My rear hubs leaked, and after many trials and tribulations I have them repaired thanks to Barney and his MGA website. However, the rear brake pads were soaked with the differential/rear hub oil. Can I clean them up sufficiently to re-use them (they are just two driving seasons old), or should I replace them? From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 15:01:44 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:01:44 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Differential/Rear Hub oil on brake pads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, once when I caught it right away, I sanded them down a bit, and that was OK. But if they are truly soaked, no. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/15/09 1:56 PM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote: > Brake pads? I assume that you own a Twin Cam or Deluxe, or you would have > said 'brake shoes'? > They usually can't be degreased very effectively. > > Bill > > > In a message dated 5/15/2009 1:52:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > guinness at stclegal.com writes: > > My rear hubs leaked, and after many trials and tribulations I have them > repaired thanks to Barney and his MGA website. However, the rear brake > pads were soaked with the differential/rear hub oil. Can I clean them > up sufficiently to re-use them (they are just two driving seasons old), > or should I replace them? From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri May 15 21:58:08 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Differential/Rear Hub oil on brake pads References: <4A0DD608.1090006@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <00b001c9d5da$863273d0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> If they are pads, definately replace them. Best to replace shoes also, but I have had success removing the oils if needed. First wash throughly with solvent to remove as much oil as possible, followed by soap and water wash. Mount the shoe in a vise and using a butane torch (soft flame) wave the flame over the brake lining. When you see the oil start to bubble out, wipe with a clean cloth and repeat,repeat,repeat. Do NOT overheat the brake lining or it will be ruined. Move the flame quickly. When no more oil bubbles out you are done. Ron Sanborn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: "MG List" Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: [Mgs] Differential/Rear Hub oil on brake pads > My rear hubs leaked, and after many trials and tribulations I have them > repaired thanks to Barney and his MGA website. However, the rear brake > pads were soaked with the differential/rear hub oil. Can I clean them up > sufficiently to re-use them (they are just two driving seasons old), or > should I replace them? Thanks. > -- > Robert Guinness > 1961 MGA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as riverside at cedar-rapids.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release > Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 10:35:21 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods Message-ID: Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on bump size !! Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 10:49:54 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:49:54 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Rendezvous in Paris Message-ID: >Some of you might not know but I was in Paris that day ! > >>> >>>Some of you have probably driven down these Paris streets and took >>>hours - you will not believe this guy. >>> >>>On an August morning in 1978, French filmmaker Claude Lelouch >>>mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 >>>GTB and had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at >>>breakneck speed through the heart of Paris early in the morning . >>>The film was limited for technical reasons to 10 minutes; the >>>course was from Porte Dauphine , through the Louvre, to the >>>Basilica of Sacre Coeur. >>>No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit. >>>The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching >>>nearly 140 MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running >>>real red lights, nearly hitting real pedestrians, and driving the >>>wrong way up real one-way streets. >>>Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was >>>arrested. He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and >>>the film went underground. If you haven't seen this before it is a >>>classic, if you have seen it I apologize, but it's still a >>>classic. Turn on your sound and enjoy >>> >>>Click here: YouTube - >>>Rendezvous in paris >>> >>>or >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHrCLt3Geo >>> Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 10:52:52 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods Message-ID: Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on bump size !! Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 10:52:52 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods Message-ID: Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on bump size !! Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 14:39:50 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Only of interest to MGB GT bods In-Reply-To: <4A0F0193.2020807@verizon.net> References: <4A0F0193.2020807@verizon.net> Message-ID: James, Noooo !! They all went. Have had more enquiries for more but it was too much of a pain - but not many can boast of 50,000 year old knobs At 02:10 PM 5/16/2009, James J. wrote: >Are you sure it's not that box of shifter knobs you had made a few years ago? >JJJ > >Barrie Robinson wrote: >>Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My >>mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering >>if it is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. >>The latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from >>my hardware place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these >>MUST be put in to stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular >>and not dependant on bump size !! >> >>Regards >> >>Barrie Robinson >> Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From barrie at look.ca Sat May 16 14:37:47 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave,, It does not happen on acceleration or de---. It happens over bumps and then does not thump the same each time - sort of random !! At 01:13 PM 5/16/2009, Dave Stovall wrote: >Have you checked the spider gear bushings and >bearings in your rear diff?? They will also >"clunk" with acceleration and deceleration. > > > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:52:52 -0400 > > To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net; mgb-v8 at autox.team.net > > From: barrie at look.ca > > Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods > > > > Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My > > mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if > > it is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached > > to. The latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements > > from my hardware place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if > > these MUST be put in to stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not > > regular and not dependant on bump size !! > > > > Regards > > > > Barrie Robinson > > > > 705-721-9060 (Canada) > > MGB GT V8 > > Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings > > http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY > > www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies > > You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Regards > > > > Barrie > > (705) 721-9060 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as mgmarine at live.com > > > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > >---------- >Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Dont worry >about storage limits. >Check >it out. Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat May 16 16:54:37 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:54:37 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <4a066f7d.0e36640a.0a07.ffffe668SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> <4a066f7d.0e36640a.0a07.ffffe668SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <40b437200905161554u7ef4574ava7c39fe0837ce4d3@mail.gmail.com> Barney, Using this information, I was able to easily remove the old bearing. I also used your trick to force oil into the bearing (amazing my son at the same time). Many thanks. I also want to thank Pete Chast, who suggested freezing the new bearing -- this worked very well: the new bearing just dropped into place. I had prepared the rear plate in a vice, found a suitable piece of wood and hammer with which I planned to drive the bearing into place. Wearing nitrile gloves (to reduce the amount of heat transferred from my fingers into the bearing, I removed it from the freezer, placed it in the late and, before I could pick up the wood and hammer to drive it in, it just fell down into place. I assembled the generator using the front plate and armature off a spare generator that has the blade connectors. I replaced it on the car and, after running for a couple of minutes in the garage, there is no sign of heat buildup in the generator. Next question: how to R&R the front bearing? Simon On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > At 08:04 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >> >> .... >> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Barney Gaylord >> wrote: >> > At 02:00 PM 5/9/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >> >> .... >> >> .... the rear bearing was worn through. How does one R&R the bronze >> >> bushing in the rear plate? >> > >> > Screw a thread cutting tap into it and pull it out. >> >> Any idea what size this is? I have a set of taps, but nothing that big, so >> I will have to buy a new tap. >> >> Any comments on pushing in the new bushing? >> .... > > I just pulled one out to measure. > Generator rear shaft is .590" dia. (15 mm) > The bushing is thin wall sintered bronze, > .592 ID x .714 OD x .88 Long. > > Thr tap can be 5/8-in or 16-mm. I just screwed in a 5/8-18-UNF tap. When > it hits bottom keep turning, and the bushing will come out easily without > pulling. > > The bushing is only 1/16" thick when new. If it is seriously worn very thin > you can pick one side with a knife point or ice pick to bend it inward away > from the housing bore and pull it out with a long nose pliers. > > Being thin wall bronze the new one will press in easily, or tap gently with > a light hammer and flat nose punch. Try not to make a burr on the end of > the bushing. After installation, insert the armature shaft into the bushing > and turn it to be sure it will run free. > > Barney From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat May 16 18:13:31 2009 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:13:31 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Generator woes continue In-Reply-To: <40b437200905161554u7ef4574ava7c39fe0837ce4d3@mail.gmail.co m> References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com> <4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com> <4a066f7d.0e36640a.0a07.ffffe668SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <40b437200905161554u7ef4574ava7c39fe0837ce4d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090517001331.6060E187873@autox.team.net> At 03:54 PM 5/16/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: >.... >Next question: how to R&R the front bearing? >.... Grind the flange off the rivets and punch them out. R&R bearing, replace plate, and install new rivets or use machine screws and nuts. Suggest a drop of Loctite on the threads. Cut screws flush with nuts. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From WSpohn4 at aol.com Sat May 16 18:44:31 2009 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:44:31 EDT Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Rendezvous in Paris Message-ID: Actually a big Mercedes, apparently, with dubbed sound. I'm still not sure we have the whole story. FWIW, I always figured they did the run in an MGA Twin Cam...... Bill In a message dated 16/05/2009 9:52:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, barrie at look.ca writes: On an August morning in 1978, French filmmaker Claude Lelouch >>>mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 >>>GTB From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Sat May 16 19:43:05 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods References: Message-ID: <001e01c9d690$d30f4dc0$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2> Check your rear shock mount bolts and shock links. A loose shock link at the spring plate can give that type of noise. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods > Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My > mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it > is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The > latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware > place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to > stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on > bump size !! > > Regards > > Barrie Robinson > > 705-721-9060 (Canada) > MGB GT V8 > Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings > http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY > www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies > You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as riverside at cedar-rapids.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release > Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Sun May 17 01:30:47 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:30:47 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods References: Message-ID: No clunks for my GT, except some times when applying the brakes. The rear brakes make a clunk sound then. Does not worry me. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods > Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My > mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it > is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The > latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware > place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to > stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on > bump size !! > > Regards > > Barrie Robinson > > 705-721-9060 (Canada) > MGB GT V8 > Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings > http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY > www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies From mg_garage at comcast.net Sun May 17 04:20:03 2009 From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 06:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Rendezvous in Paris References: Message-ID: <42E7B9DBCFBD45D1A6149D8747D0CFD4@stargate> I'm not convinced that the speeds were all that great either judging by the speed at which other traffic is overtaken. Gordie > Actually a big Mercedes, apparently, with dubbed sound. I'm still not > sure we have the whole story. > > FWIW, I always figured they did the run in an MGA Twin Cam...... > > Bill > > In a message dated 16/05/2009 9:52:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > barrie at look.ca writes: > > On an August morning in 1978, French filmmaker Claude Lelouch >>>>mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 >>>>GTB > _______________________________________________ From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 08:08:33 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Rendezvous in Paris References: <42E7B9DBCFBD45D1A6149D8747D0CFD4@stargate> Message-ID: <6E29043EA55B4F22B5CDA1FFFED931E7@Larry> The only thing they didn't show, but should have, was a pair of handcuffs for the idiot that drove like that putting all those lives in danger. Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordies garage" To: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Rendezvous in Paris I'm not convinced that the speeds were all that great either judging by the speed at which other traffic is overtaken. Gordie > Actually a big Mercedes, apparently, with dubbed sound. I'm still not > sure we have the whole story. > > FWIW, I always figured they did the run in an MGA Twin Cam...... > > Bill > > In a message dated 16/05/2009 9:52:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > barrie at look.ca writes: > > On an August morning in 1978, French filmmaker Claude Lelouch >>>>mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 >>>>GTB From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Sun May 17 10:27:03 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... In-Reply-To: <0F8F4420-C10B-4701-8FB8-B475F3DF093C@gmail.com> References: <238966.35302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A085BD1.2060305@gmail.com> <0F8F4420-C10B-4701-8FB8-B475F3DF093C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <643223.11579.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's changed quite a bit. I've been with IBM for 29 years. Hard to believe. Rick, congrats! Glad to hear your son was able to find a job in this economy. My son is finishing up his freshman year at the University of Delaware. I feel like that's a major accomplishment! He's an environmental engineering major, so hopefully there will be something for him when he's done in '12. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Paul Root To: The Roxter Cc: MGS Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:20:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Time to brag a little... Congratulations Rick, and to your son. Rocky, I just can't see you at IBM. I served time at IBM in Kingston as a contractor in the late 80s. As buttoned down as it was then I just can't image how it was in the 60s. On May 11, 2009, at 12:09 PM, The Roxter wrote: > Rick Lindsay wrote: >> In fact, YES! His first car was a '79 MGB LE that had been under 12 feet of >> water. We rebuilt everything. And when he got his first internship at the >> Langmier Atmospheric Physics Lab, the first thing that they asked him was if >> he had ever worked on cars! Seems that most kids today have never touched a >> wrench/spanner. He got the job. >> >> rick > Same thing they asked me when I went to work for IBM in 1966. All the whiz kids were trained on computers, but they hired about ten new guys to fix the card machines that provided all the input in those days. Those things had really exotic components like geneva drives and such. I was hired because I was building my own racing cars (MGs and Minis) and finishing races. > > -The Roxter From palte at gmx.net Sun May 17 12:29:40 2009 From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:29:40 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] Rendezvous in Paris Message-ID: <20090517182956.59091187885@autox.team.net> This movie rather looks like a computer game. From atweditor at aol.com Mon May 18 10:00:55 2009 From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBA5E8F6206088-4A8-2143@webmail-me16.sysops.aol.com> What Ron said about checking the shock bolts has my vote.? Years ago I had this fearsome clunk that had me worried about the worst sort of problems, but it turned out just a little tightening of the bolts that attach the check to the frame is all that was needed. Jay Donoghue 72MGB-GT 66Mustang 00SLK 230 -----Original Message----- From: Hans Duinhoven To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net; Barrie Robinson Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 3:30 am Subject: Re: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods No clunks for my GT, except some times when applying the brakes. The rear brakes make a clunk sound then.? Does not worry me.? ? Cheers,? ? Hans? ? 71 BGT? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" ? To: ; ? Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:35 PM? Subject: [Mgs] Only of interest to MGB GT bods? ? > Has anyone had wooden clunky noises from the rear of their GT? My > mechanicals are all great and it is not the spare. I am wondering if it > is the plywood foot over the spare or the piece it is attached to. The > latter is missing two bolts and I cannot get replacements from my hardware > place (???? - no NSF of that size) I wonder if these MUST be put in to > stop my "wooden" clunk. The clunk is not regular and not dependant on > bump size !!? >? > Regards? >? > Barrie Robinson? >? > 705-721-9060 (Canada)? > MGB GT V8? > Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings? > http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY > www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? You are subscribed as atweditor at aol.com? ? Mgs at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs? ? http://www.team.net/archive? From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Mon May 18 10:52:56 2009 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint In-Reply-To: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com> References: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: Try your Ford dealer. They used to sell a spray can of under the Motorcraft name..... On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > Hi Lew, > It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I > used my > last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed > that > a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. > Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- > Kote GM > 7161 that seems about right. > The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but > when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The > Ford > color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or > Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem > that > poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at the > auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does > not > matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. > Bob From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Mon May 18 11:04:41 2009 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:04:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint In-Reply-To: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com> References: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <066C7C79-9EC3-4779-BEA9-BBCC9A57B8FA@sbcglobal.net> Also try Eastwood for wheel paint. http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=96&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=410&iSubCat=411&iProductID=96 On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > Hi Lew, > It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I > used my > last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed > that > a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. > Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- > Kote GM > 7161 that seems about right. > The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but > when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The > Ford > color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or > Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem > that > poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at the > auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does > not > matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. > Bob From dwillner at ptd.net Mon May 18 15:34:45 2009 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] paint code for MGB gray hood sticks Message-ID: <001a01c9d800$77055e90$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Has anyone found or know of the proper "cool gray" paint code for the hood sticks and tonneau cover rails circa 1970? I'm looking for a spot-on exact match. Txs Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special From dwoerpel at wi.net Mon May 18 16:27:27 2009 From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:27:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] paint code for MGB gray hood sticks In-Reply-To: <001a01c9d800$77055e90$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> References: <001a01c9d800$77055e90$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Message-ID: <4A11E0CF.50100@wi.net> Dave, Let me know if you find out. I think it's the same "Dove Gray" used on the Bugeye. Duplicolor used to have it but alas, no longer. Thanks, Dave Woerpel Burlington WI 59 MGA 1500 Rdstr 59 :{) Used to have 68 MGB Rdstr (wish I still had it) davewillner wrote: > Has anyone found or know of the proper "cool gray" paint code for the hood > sticks and tonneau cover rails circa 1970? I'm looking for a spot-on exact > match. Txs > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special From dwillner at ptd.net Mon May 18 17:24:33 2009 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] paint code for MGB gray hood sticks References: <001a01c9d800$77055e90$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> <4A11E0CF.50100@wi.net> Message-ID: <002201c9d80f$cdd29990$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> http://www.automotivetouchup.com/choosecolor/buypaint.aspx?year=1961&make=Austin&model=All+Models&colordesc=Dove+Gray%2C+GR26%2C+No%2C+No Looks like a match, appreciate the help, thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Woerpel" To: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] paint code for MGB gray hood sticks > Dave, > > Let me know if you find out. I think it's the same "Dove Gray" used on > the Bugeye. Duplicolor used to have it but alas, no longer. > Thanks, > > Dave Woerpel > Burlington WI > 59 MGA 1500 Rdstr > 59 :{) > Used to have 68 MGB Rdstr (wish I still had it) > > > davewillner wrote: >> Has anyone found or know of the proper "cool gray" paint code for the >> hood >> sticks and tonneau cover rails circa 1970? I'm looking for a spot-on >> exact >> match. Txs >> >> Dave Willner >> Stroudsburg, PA >> 59 TR3A Apple Green >> 70 MGB BRG >> 70 BSA 441 Victor Special > _______________________________________________ From shop at justbrits.com Mon May 18 18:45:48 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Odd Lew, did YOU (or any other of the LAZY folks) try a Google search??? Rhetoric question I guess because Geesh, 10 seconds for Firefox to open (several other programs running), 13 keystrokes (@7 seconds), + another .015 secs 'waiting' for Google Search results = returns 334,000 hits. I don't 'need' any right now, so I WILL let you folks do the rest of the (VERY 'hard') work.!! Ed PS: I did 'cheat' tho as I DO have the Google Search Bar which IS free. LOL From shop at justbrits.com Mon May 18 18:59:59 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:59:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] FW: idgetsprite] California Barn of MG's, Sprites, Midgets, & vintage racers Message-ID: I know ZERO about below & NFI & YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda!!!!!!! (but I SURE WISH I was in CA!!!!!) -----Original Message----- From: Randy N Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: [midgetsprite] California Barn of MG's, Sprites, Midgets, & vintage racers This just popped up today on BaT and looks very interesting..... http://bringatrailer.com/2009/05/18/bat- exclusive-50-car-california-barn-stash/ Too bad my garage is full. Randy SF, Ca . __,_._,___ From suearna at tds.net Tue May 19 05:39:38 2009 From: suearna at tds.net (suearna tds.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:39:38 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Gt body noise Message-ID: Check the mount of the fuel pump. On my GT, the rubber surround had worn, and allowed the pump to slide out and make contact with the body Arnie Anderson 70 MGB-GT 72MGB roadster From pryner at verizon.net Tue May 19 07:52:57 2009 From: pryner at verizon.net (Peter Ryner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:52:57 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] New spitfire owner in Ft Meyers needs assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57A34436225341D7BA7A8403B35E24FC@PetePC> I know this is an MG list, but I hope someone out there can help another LBC owner. I just received a call from a fellow who recently purchased a spitfire. He lives out west drove the car to Florida. He is currently in the North Ft Meyers, FL area. He has brake problems and is looking for a place to have it looked at and repaired. I'm on the VTR road assistance list, but am located in the Tampa area. Is there anyone in the Ft Meyers area who can recommend a shop for him? Any help is appreciated. Pete From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue May 19 09:53:24 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] New spitfire owner in Ft Meyers needs assistance In-Reply-To: <57A34436225341D7BA7A8403B35E24FC@PetePC> References: <57A34436225341D7BA7A8403B35E24FC@PetePC> Message-ID: <254988.42528.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Nothing closer than 2 hours or so listed in the NAMGBR Service Recommendation list. Perhaps he could call Tim Suddard at Classic Motorsports magazine and ask for a local shop? They are located in Ormond Beach but they might have an idea of the Ft Myers area. Their number is 386-239-0523. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Peter Ryner To: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:52:57 AM Subject: [Mgs] New spitfire owner in Ft Meyers needs assistance I know this is an MG list, but I hope someone out there can help another LBC owner. I just received a call from a fellow who recently purchased a spitfire. He lives out west drove the car to Florida. He is currently in the North Ft Meyers, FL area. He has brake problems and is looking for a place to have it looked at and repaired. I'm on the VTR road assistance list, but am located in the Tampa area. Is there anyone in the Ft Meyers area who can recommend a shop for him? Any help is appreciated. Pete _______________________________________________ From peter at nosimport.com Tue May 19 10:17:40 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:17:40 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD part needed Message-ID: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt. Anyone have one to sell, or know a source? Thanks Peter C From peter at nosimport.com Tue May 19 10:22:52 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:22:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD part needed In-Reply-To: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Uh..... Never mind. Thanx === At 11:17 AM 5/19/2009, Peter Caldwell wrote: >Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt. > >Anyone have one to sell, or know a source? > >Thanks > >Peter C From tmcl98 at yahoo.com Tue May 19 11:52:22 2009 From: tmcl98 at yahoo.com (Tom McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB In-Reply-To: <200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <82489.90608.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all, Two years ago, I had my mechanic (I do about half the work on the car when I have time) do a bit of work on the wiring in my 77MGB. The lights were weak and a few other problems that I can't remember. He basically replaced a bunch of connectors and everything worked for a year or so. Late last year, a few things stopped working....the blinkers, the tach, the temp guage, the horn, the fuel guage. I have it out of storage for the year and would like to get these things working. With two little kids, I don't have time to troubleshoot this so I may bring it back to him. However, I did look in the book and it looks like there are a few in line fuses, but I can't seem to find them in the tangled mess of wires under the hood. I think they may bit in a large bundle of taped up mess that I haven't touched in the 12 years I've owned the car. The question is if it is likely a fuse or a bad ground somewhere. If a fuse, is it an inline? The fuses in the block are fine. I seem to remember there are fusable links somewhere as well. I seem to have forgotten much about the wiring...more soccer games and baseball games on Saturdays than working on the car in the last 6 years. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Tom 77MGB From peter.schauss at ngc.com Tue May 19 12:48:17 2009 From: peter.schauss at ngc.com (Schauss, R. Peter (IT Solutions)) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:48:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a similar problem a while back except that it was intermitent. Looking at the wiring diagram I determined that all of the non-functioning items were on one fuse. I started wiggling the spade connector on the fuse block and found that I had a loose rivet. One squeeze with a vice-grips was sufficient to solve the problem. Peter Schauss 1980 MGB ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom McLaughlin Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB To: mgs at autox.team.net Message-ID: <82489.90608.qm at web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello all, Two years ago, I had my mechanic (I do about half the work on the car when I have time) do a bit of work on the wiring in my 77MGB. The lights were weak and a few other problems that I can't remember. He basically replaced a bunch of connectors and everything worked for a year or so. Late last year, a few things stopped working....the blinkers, the tach, the temp guage, the horn, the fuel guage. I have it out of storage for the year and would like to get these things working. With two little kids, I don't have time to troubleshoot this so I may bring it back to him. However, I did look in the book and it looks like there are a few in line fuses, but I can't seem to find them in the tangled mess of wires under the hood. I think they may bit in a large bundle of taped up mess that I haven't touched in the 12 years I've owned the car. The question is if it is likely a fuse or a bad ground somewhere. If a fuse, is it an inline? The fuses in the block are fine. I seem to remember there are fusable links somewhere as well. I seem to have forgotten much about the wiring...more soccer games and baseball games on Saturdays than working on the car in the last 6 years. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Tom 77MGB ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs End of Mgs Digest, Vol 24, Issue 13 *********************************** From pryner at verizon.net Tue May 19 12:44:10 2009 From: pryner at verizon.net (Peter Ryner) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:44:10 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] New spitfire owner in Ft Meyers needs assistance - FOUND Message-ID: Thanks to all who quickly posted responses. Dave sent an name of a local shop he is going to. I have passed the other responses to him in case he needs more help. Pete From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Tue May 19 13:36:52 2009 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:36:52 +0200 Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB References: Message-ID: <218BCF25AD894A9991C3C092D5C090C6@uw471de61b465c> Lose spade connector at the fusebox happened to me as well. On top of this, it may well be worth while to bite the bullet (connectors). Most times the bullet connectors are still fine, though may suffer of broken solder joint. But most of all you may expect the receptacles whereing the bullet connectors fit have lost their tight fit to the bullet connector. During the restauration of my 71 BGT I replaced almost all of these. The parts shop manager was surprised I bought all of his stock in one buy. It prevented a lot oftrouble I'm sure. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schauss, R. Peter (IT Solutions)" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB >I had a similar problem a while back except that it was intermitent. > Looking at the wiring diagram I determined that all of the > non-functioning items were on one fuse. I started wiggling the spade > connector on the fuse block and found that I had a loose rivet. One > squeeze with a vice-grips was sufficient to solve the problem. > > Peter Schauss > 1980 MGB > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom McLaughlin > Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <82489.90608.qm at web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello all, > Two years ago, I had my mechanic (I do about half the work on the > car when I have time) do a bit of work on the wiring in my 77MGB. The > lights > were weak and a few other problems that I can't remember. He basically > replaced a bunch of connectors and everything worked for a year or so. > > Late > last year, a few things stopped working....the blinkers, the tach, the > temp > guage, the horn, the fuel guage. I have it out of storage for the year > and > would like to get these things working. > > With two little kids, I don't have > time to troubleshoot this so I may bring it back to him. However, I did > look > in the book and it looks like there are a few in line fuses, but I can't > seem > to find them in the tangled mess of wires under the hood. I think they > may > bit in a large bundle of taped up mess that I haven't touched in the 12 > years > I've owned the car. > > The question is if it is likely a fuse or a bad ground > somewhere. If a fuse, is it an inline? The fuses in the block are > fine. I > seem to remember there are fusable links somewhere as well. > > I seem to have > forgotten much about the wiring...more soccer games and baseball games > on > Saturdays than working on the car in the last 6 years. > > Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Tom > 77MGB From rbgosling at googlemail.com Wed May 20 01:54:32 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:32 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB In-Reply-To: <82489.90608.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <82489.90608.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520905200054v2130b240j3337e6746e1fe05a@mail.gmail.com> Firstly, get yourself a good wiring diagram - you'll get nowehere without it! Somewhere on the 'net someones made up some colour wiring diagrams that are much better and easier to use than the B/W ones in the workshop manuals. I can't remember the link, but I'll e-mail my copy to anyone who asks! All the items you mention are protected by the same fuse, one of the main fuses. As others have said, just 'cos the fuse looks good doesn't mean all is well. Give the fuse and it's clamps a good rub with sandpaper / wet'n'dry so you've got clean shiny metal. Squeeze the clamps together a bit, so they grip the fuse well. Similarly clean and tighten the spade connectors on either side. There's a good chance this'll fix it. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) 2009/5/19 Tom McLaughlin > Hello all, > Two years ago, I had my mechanic (I do about half the work on the > car when I have time) do a bit of work on the wiring in my 77MGB. The > lights > were weak and a few other problems that I can't remember. He basically > replaced a bunch of connectors and everything worked for a year or so. > > Late > last year, a few things stopped working....the blinkers, the tach, the temp > guage, the horn, the fuel guage. I have it out of storage for the year and > would like to get these things working. > > With two little kids, I don't have > time to troubleshoot this so I may bring it back to him. However, I did > look > in the book and it looks like there are a few in line fuses, but I can't > seem > to find them in the tangled mess of wires under the hood. I think they may > bit in a large bundle of taped up mess that I haven't touched in the 12 > years > I've owned the car. > > The question is if it is likely a fuse or a bad ground > somewhere. If a fuse, is it an inline? The fuses in the block are fine. > I > seem to remember there are fusable links somewhere as well. > > I seem to have > forgotten much about the wiring...more soccer games and baseball games on > Saturdays than working on the car in the last 6 years. > > Any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Tom > 77MGB > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling at googlemail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of mgb.pdf] From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 20 06:24:28 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:24:28 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] A few electrical things stopped working...77 MGB References: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com><200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <82489.90608.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All those *except* the horn are on a single fuse, the horn is on a separate fuse. Both fuses are in the fusebox that should be screwed to the inner wing on the right-hand (facing forwards) side. The horn fuse should be the bottom one with brown wires on the front and purple on the back, the other items should be on the 2nd fuse up with white wires on the front and green wires on the back. However both fuses feed other tings as well, so if these are working normally it isn't the fuse or its holder, although it could be one of the two spade connections on the purple and green side. The bottom fuse feeds the interior and boot lights and headlamp flasher as well, so if these don't work, or they go out when you press the horn button, then it is the fuse or holder. If it is only the boot light that doesn't work or goes out with the horn button, then if there are two separate wires on the two spades on the fusebox it could be one of those spades. If the two purple wires are in a single connector then it won't be the fusebox at all which only leaves the 4-way bullet connector with three purple wires in the mass by the fusebox where the rear harness joins the main harness, which could also be the cause even if the two purple wires are separate. The second fuse up feeds the wipers, washers, heater fan, brake lights and reversing lights. If any of these are working again it isn't the fuse or the holder. Again there could be two green wires in a single connector at the fusebox, or two separate spades. If the former and any of those circuits are working then again it isn't the fusebox. The first thing that is common to gauges and blinkers is a 4-way bullet connector behind the dash with four greens in it, but that would also be affecting the wipers and heater fan. If either of those are working then you have two separate problems, which can always be the case anyway. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Late last year, a few things stopped working....the blinkers, the tach, the temp guage, the horn, the fuel guage. From dwillner at ptd.net Wed May 20 06:48:32 2009 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:48:32 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Optional MGB tool kit question Message-ID: <000801c9d949$491eb900$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> I thought I had read once there were optional tool kits available at one point, not sure if they were a factory or dealer option. Does anyone know exactly what might have been included in a toolkit circa 1970? (I have the jute bag with jack, hammer and wheel nut wrench.) I believe I once read 5 spanners, several box wrenches, 2 screwdrivers, can't remember what else. A picture would be great. Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 20 08:34:35 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:34:35 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Optional MGB tool kit question References: <000801c9d949$491eb900$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Message-ID: According to Clausager the toolkit was confined to 'the barest minimum' and originally consisted of a jack and box-spanner with tommy-bar for the plugs. Disc-wheeled cars had a lever for removing the hub cap and a spanner for the wheel nuts. Wire-wheeled cars had a copper or alloy-headed hammer for eared spinners, or an octagonal spanner for octagonal spinners. All were contained in a PVC-covered felt bag. The hub-cap lever was deleted in 1970 when the wheels changed to Rostyles, as was the plug-spanner and tommy-bar. The bag changed to plastic around 1975. So, much less than what you remember reading, that may have been for a model earlier than the MGB, unless more was dealer-provided in certain markets. Clausager has pictures of a 64 jack and alloy-headed hammer minus plug-spanner and tommy-bar, and a 73 jack and wheel-nut spanner, with bags in both cases, but I doubt they would add much to the above description! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I thought I had read once there were optional tool kits available at one point, not sure if they were a factory or dealer option. From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 20 09:39:49 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Gig Harbor (WA, US) Car Show? Message-ID: <288868.36934.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone here in the Puget Sound area know anything about a car show in Gig Harbor this weekend? There was a fleeting reference made to it in this month's MOWOG Murmurs, but no details. Is anyone here planning on attending? Since I can't make the ABFM in Bellevue this year, I'd like to think I can at least make a show five miles from home. David Breneman david_breneman at yahoo.com From fschroed at mindspring.com Wed May 20 17:01:53 2009 From: fschroed at mindspring.com (Fred/Sue Schroeder) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:01:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Mgs] not MG question Message-ID: <3009305.1242860514318.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sorry for the non MG query, but I have an acquaintance who is looking for a Model A (1928-31) Ford body. Anyone on the list with one they want to sell? Or, any suggestions on where best to look? Is there a Model A list as good as this MG list? Thanks Fred From jkk at adams.net Wed May 20 17:43:11 2009 From: jkk at adams.net (James Kleemeyer) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:43:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint References: Message-ID: Ford part number PM 19K207-AA. Any Ford dealer can get this for you if they don't stock it. (Excellent paint, BTW) Jim From eugeneb at nni.com Wed May 20 21:36:12 2009 From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B Message-ID: All, My 80B is running too warm. It used to run one needle width to the left of center no matter what the outside temperature. It now runs 1 - 2 needles to the right of center, and the fans come on when moving at 20 MPH or less. It is hot. My first thought was coolant level. I checked and it seemed to be at the right level both in the cylinder head at the thermostat housing, and at the overflow container. So my second thought is the thermostat. 180 degrees is standard. Is there any harm in going to the 160 degree thermostat ? I do use the car in the cooler fall months. My other thoughts for overheating (if the thermostat does not cure the problem) is a clogged radiator, and perhaps a water pump problem ? I seem to remember that the water pumps can "partially" fail with the impellers breaking off, and/or wearing such that the move less water. Does anyone have any experience with this ? Thanks in advance, Gene 80 B --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ From rbgosling at googlemail.com Thu May 21 02:23:33 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:23:33 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f2527520905210123j5cfc151frc3424185e456227f@mail.gmail.com> You can never fix an overheating problem by fitting a lower temperature thermostat, unless of course the current thermostat is broken and failing to open properly. If your engine is running at 200 degress, a 180deg thermostat will be just as open as a 160deg thermostat. Have you tried flushing the coolant system? It could just be clogged up with years (decades?) of muck. Buy a bottle of radiator flush from your local car accessory shop and follow the instructions. Is the engine running right? Too advanced, or too lean, can cause overheating. There is of course the possibility of a false reading on the temp gauge, caused by a failed voltage stabiliser. But if you are noticing a different behaviour in your fans then I guess your overheating is more likely to be real. Just a couple of ideas for you to work on... Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) 2009/5/21 Eugene Balinski > All, > > My 80B is running too warm. It used to run one needle > width to the left of center no matter what the outside > temperature. It now runs 1 - 2 needles to the right of > center, and the fans come on when moving at 20 MPH or less. > It is hot. > > My first thought was coolant level. I checked and it > seemed to be at the right level both in the cylinder head > at the thermostat housing, and at the overflow container. > So my second thought is the thermostat. 180 degrees is > standard. Is there any harm in going to the 160 degree > thermostat ? I do use the car in the cooler fall months. > > My other thoughts for overheating (if the thermostat > does not cure the problem) is a clogged radiator, > and perhaps a water pump problem ? I seem to remember that > the water pumps can "partially" fail with the impellers > breaking off, and/or wearing such that the move less water. > Does anyone have any experience with this ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Gene > > 80 B > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. > http://www.nni.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling at googlemail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 21 02:15:07 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:15:07 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B References: Message-ID: <0AC4133E85D74082A03760969DF3505F@Three> Running hotter than normal can be caused by three things - engine producing more heat than it should, cooling system can't get rid of as much heat as it should, or the gauge is simply reading too high. However if the fans are coming on sooner than they used to as well that does imply it is indeed hotter coolant and not simply the gauge. First check the gauge by measuring the coolant temp with another device, not so easy on cars with the remote expansion tank unless you remove the radiator plug *very* carefully, having removed the radiator cap first, also very carefully. Retarded or over-advanced timing will cause it to run hotter, as can weak mixture. Check dwell as well. Check the surface of the radiator for cool patches i.e. blockages, an infra-red (laser guided) thermometer is useful for this but the sensor does need to be as close to the surface as possible even with a 10 to 1 aspect ratio. Go for the easy stuff first, none of the above require much by way of invasive surgery. Unless the thermostat is faulty in that it isn't opening fully replacing a working 180 with a 160 won't cause it to run cooler if it is running hotter than it used to. You can take the stat out and test it by dangling it and a thermometer in the water (not resting on the bottom) of a pan of water and bringing it up towards the boil. Having gone that far you might as well replace the stat anyway, although these days putting new stuff in when it isn't needed can introduce further problems with the poor quality of new parts these days. You could do a compression test, and a cooling system pressure test, in case you have a small head gasket leak into the water jacket. After that you are down to reduced flow through the system, possibly because of blockages elsewhere, possibly because of impeller problems as you say. And it is only running slightly warm as you say in the text, not overheating like you say in the subject. If it isn't steaming or losing coolant it isn't overheating, although any change in 'normal' behaviour is always something that should be investigated. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- My 80B is running too warm. It used to run one needle width to the left of center no matter what the outside temperature. It now runs 1 - 2 needles to the right of center, and the fans come on when moving at 20 MPH or less. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Thu May 21 05:44:52 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 04:44:52 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B In-Reply-To: <9f2527520905210123j5cfc151frc3424185e456227f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2527520905210123j5cfc151frc3424185e456227f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Retarded timing will cause an engine to run hot, advanced timing will cause the coolant temperature to go down. Rick >>Is the engine running right? Too advanced, or too lean, can cause > overheating. > > >> Retarded or over-advanced timing will cause it to run hotter, From jello at cableone.net Thu May 21 09:09:33 2009 From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:09:33 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B Message-ID: <2068.1242918573@cableone.net> /DmyUzn: Permission denied From jello at cableone.net Thu May 21 09:11:14 2009 From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:11:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B Message-ID: <2116.1242918674@cableone.net> From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 21 09:00:39 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:00:39 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B References: <9f2527520905210123j5cfc151frc3424185e456227f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <290267C5E77A466DB612EC53378DE670@Three> *Correctly* advanced timing will cause the timing to go down compared to retarded timing, but *over advanced* timing will also cause it go up. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Retarded timing will cause an engine to run hot, advanced timing will cause the coolant temperature to go down. From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:36:24 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:36:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Thermostats and overheating - 80B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A158308.1030302@gmail.com> Eugene Balinski wrote: > All, > > My 80B is running too warm. It used to run one needle > width to the left of center no matter what the outside > temperature. It now runs 1 - 2 needles to the right of > center, and the fans come on when moving at 20 MPH or less. > It is hot. > > My first thought was coolant level. I checked and it > seemed to be at the right level both in the cylinder head > at the thermostat housing, and at the overflow container. > So my second thought is the thermostat. 180 degrees is > standard. Is there any harm in going to the 160 degree > thermostat ? I do use the car in the cooler fall months. > > My other thoughts for overheating (if the thermostat > does not cure the problem) is a clogged radiator, > and perhaps a water pump problem ? I seem to remember that > the water pumps can "partially" fail with the impellers > breaking off, and/or wearing such that the move less water. > Does anyone have any experience with this ? Might be a clog in the water jacket of the block. Have you tried any of the major brand flushes? -The Roxter -- From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Thu May 21 15:25:30 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Installing New Fuel Pump Message-ID: <999201.63740.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, I finally have some time so I purchased a new universal pump for the '76 B, going to install it this week-end. Anything I need to watch out for, besides not smoking a cigar while I'm doing this? ;-) Barney, once I get the old one out, I will contact you off-list as I know you were interested in some pictures of the inside of the pump. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 22 01:52:42 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Installing New Fuel Pump References: <999201.63740.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If it's not an SU and you have an SU now mounting and connecting the fuel pipes could be an issue. And if you have a different non-SU at the moment it could be even more of an issue. Other than that it is just a matter of one mounting, two pipes and two wires, I would have thought. Which way round the pipes and wires go will depend on just what pump you have. Wire orientation could be important if the pump is metal-bodied (i.e. burning wiring, it is unfused), even more important if it is electronic i.e. polarity conscious (blowing the electronics). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Ok, I finally have some time so I purchased a new universal pump for the '76 B, going to install it this week-end. Anything I need to watch out for, besides not smoking a cigar while I'm doing this? ;-) . __,_._,___ From fogbro1 at comcast.net Fri May 22 07:54:16 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Replacing MGB windscreen glass References: <40b437200905091400yc8e96f3v4ae3535c4e3bfea3@mail.gmail.com><4a06174b.080bca0a.18bd.ffffed0dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><40b437200905092004x73a07a6fy83a03ebdd1adc492@mail.gmail.com><20090510060904.39826187667@autox.team.net> <4A06EE6A.9020001@wi.net> <20090511012118.6EDF7187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: List, I have solved the problem by purchasing a used MGB windscreen. $75 and a 220 mile drive fixed it. Maybe I'll return to my attempt to replace the glass on the original when I run out of other things to do. Thanks for all your suggestions. Next is the Heritage l/f wing, which, I hear, isn't going to fit all that well. Ed Woods From barrie at look.ca Fri May 22 08:20:55 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio Message-ID: I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place should be not a good idea? The radio will be a simple one with just the station selection buttons and front face flash-stick (USB) outlet. Using a flash-stick will be great as stacking even CDs in the car is a little cramped - forget tapes!!! Any sage advice would be welcome and thank you in advance for replies. Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From ptrmgb at gmail.com Fri May 22 08:54:12 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92DF1A4F-FE57-46BF-8C3D-15747CD2A149@gmail.com> The doors have a lot of lost high end, so you have to turn it up a lot. The kick panels would be more so. Very muddled sound. I've been thinking of replacing the stock door speakers with separates, actually just the woofer. I have Miata seats with speakers. Have you thought of getting box speakers and mounting them on the parcel shelf? On May 22, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual > space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers > that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but > I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It > would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees > (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, > simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I > seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place > should be not a good idea? > > The radio will be a simple one with just the station selection > buttons and front face flash-stick (USB) outlet. Using a flash- > stick will be great as stacking even CDs in the car is a little > cramped - forget tapes!!! > > Any sage advice would be welcome and thank you in advance for replies. > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From awhitema at panix.com Fri May 22 09:00:36 2009 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 22, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual > space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers > that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but > I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It > would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees > (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, > simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I > seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place > should be not a good idea? There is really no great place to stick speakers in an MG. The door location directs the sound at your knees, not your head, so the sound is hit or miss. The shelf works relatively well, but high frequencies get muffled by the wind and the top. The footwell location is like the doors, except the speakers are pointing at your feet, rather than your knees. For now, my approach has been to put 3-way 6x9 speakers in boxes as small as I can find and put them on the rear shelf. Be sure to get speakers that can do whatever they can to present the high frequency sound as well as possible. Eventually, I'd like to figure out how to discretely mount tweeters in the dash, which I think would solve my complaints. Alternatively, I could throw away my freshly-refurbished seats and get a pair of Miata seats with the headrest speakers. Has anybody ever tried to modify the MG headrest to embed speakers? From rbgosling at googlemail.com Fri May 22 09:03:21 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:03:21 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f2527520905220803v621505b9o9cd575f4a663556a@mail.gmail.com> I went with the speakers-in-doors method. I just have a wire that emerges from under the carpet close to the door hinge, and then disappears behind the door trim. Not super-elegant, but reasonably unobtrusive and works fine. The clearance between the back of the speakers and the window mechanism isn't great, and requires speakers that are reasonably shallow. Sorry, I can't remember exactly *how* shallow they need to be, nothing freaky or hard to find, but not all off-the-shelf speakers will fit. Since Sammy is a GT, I was also able to fit a pair of speakers in the trim panels either side of the "rear seat". This required cutting a bit out of the trim at the top (what would be the door capping if it was a door), but I achieved this pretty neatly I believe, it all looks like it's meant to be there! Footwells are not really ideal for speaker placement, from a sound point of view. It can all get a bit muffled in there, and you are likely to lose a lot of sound quality. Not that the door panels are a great deal better, since the only option is right at the bottom. Also I'm not sure if fixing the speaker directly to a metal panel, as I would guess you have to, will have an effect on sound quality? If you have a flash drive sticking out of your stereo, is it going to interfere with the gearstick? Guess it depends where on the stereo the USB port is. Just a few thoughts... Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 22 09:13:23 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:13:23 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio References: Message-ID: <83ABB1DAE6D94EC8AE75BED198B0EBA0@Three> The factory fitted them in the doors when they started doing so. My V8 came to me with them installed in the trim panels immediately behind the seats. Did require a bit of metal cutting to have flush-mounted there, but as it is a GT that wasn't an issue whereas it might not be ideal in a roadster. Surface mounted would fit there of course, and possibly in the footwells. My roadster came to me with flush-mounted installed in the rear bulkhead i.e protruding into the boot, which is probably as good a place as any after the doors. Probably not a good idea to fit flush mounted in the footwell as the back of the speakers would be in the space behind the splash panel behind the wheels, which isn't the driest part of the car! You would also have to be sure they were far enough forwards to avoid the A-pillar box section where the hinges are, which is probably a worse area to cut into than behind the B-pillar. My V8 has central locking, with flex following the line and curvature of the top hinge on each side, and I've not had a problem with that in many years. In fact as I recall the door casing already had a grommetted hole by those hinges anyway (75). MP3 stick is definitely the way to go, I swapped the 6 CD auto-changer radio in my 2004 ZS for one with a USB socket, the stick containing the equivalent of dozens of music CDs. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers that puzzle me. From ptrmgb at gmail.com Fri May 22 09:33:15 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <686C569A-2106-4B9D-A7EA-4520FBB886BC@gmail.com> There's nothing fancy about the Miata seat. Just a hole carved in the foam rubber, and a cable running down the back. The stock speakers were blown on mine, I replaced them with some 3in round ones from a Best Buy clearance shelf. Since the originals were 2x4 (or so), I had to carve a bit out. Mostly, you just have to punch a bunch of small holes in the vinyl or leather so the sound can come out, and recess the speaker in 1/4 inch or so. I was just looking a 5 1/4 in Clarion speakers at Crutchfield. They have a cross over module and the 1 inch tweeters are separate or can be put in the middle. I was thinking of mounting the 5 1/4s downward facing under the dash on the underliners, and then just figure a way to mount the tweeters in the lower corners of the dash facing you. Bass is non-directional, so pointing at the lower legs isn't a big deal. On May 22, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > On May 22, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >> I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual >> space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers >> that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but >> I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It >> would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees >> (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, >> simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I >> seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place >> should be not a good idea? > > There is really no great place to stick speakers in an MG. The door > location directs the sound at your knees, not your head, so the > sound is hit or miss. The shelf works relatively well, but high > frequencies get muffled by the wind and the top. > > The footwell location is like the doors, except the speakers are > pointing at your feet, rather than your knees. > > For now, my approach has been to put 3-way 6x9 speakers in boxes as > small as I can find and put them on the rear shelf. Be sure to get > speakers that can do whatever they can to present the high frequency > sound as well as possible. > > Eventually, I'd like to figure out how to discretely mount tweeters > in the dash, which I think would solve my complaints. > Alternatively, I could throw away my freshly-refurbished seats and > get a pair of Miata seats with the headrest speakers. Has anybody > ever tried to modify the MG headrest to embed speakers? From 60mgaman at sbcglobal.net Fri May 22 09:55:41 2009 From: 60mgaman at sbcglobal.net (David Ress) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:55:41 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <686C569A-2106-4B9D-A7EA-4520FBB886BC@gmail.com> References: <686C569A-2106-4B9D-A7EA-4520FBB886BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FF74264E8064CFAA05C8D2C0F01F132@DAVID> I have seen people put the tweeter in the center vents. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:33 AM To: Aaron Whiteman Cc: MG Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fitting a radio There's nothing fancy about the Miata seat. Just a hole carved in the foam rubber, and a cable running down the back. The stock speakers were blown on mine, I replaced them with some 3in round ones from a Best Buy clearance shelf. Since the originals were 2x4 (or so), I had to carve a bit out. Mostly, you just have to punch a bunch of small holes in the vinyl or leather so the sound can come out, and recess the speaker in 1/4 inch or so. I was just looking a 5 1/4 in Clarion speakers at Crutchfield. They have a cross over module and the 1 inch tweeters are separate or can be put in the middle. I was thinking of mounting the 5 1/4s downward facing under the dash on the underliners, and then just figure a way to mount the tweeters in the lower corners of the dash facing you. Bass is non-directional, so pointing at the lower legs isn't a big deal. On May 22, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > On May 22, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > >> I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual >> space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers >> that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but >> I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It >> would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees >> (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, >> simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I >> seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place >> should be not a good idea? > > There is really no great place to stick speakers in an MG. The door > location directs the sound at your knees, not your head, so the > sound is hit or miss. The shelf works relatively well, but high > frequencies get muffled by the wind and the top. > > The footwell location is like the doors, except the speakers are > pointing at your feet, rather than your knees. > > For now, my approach has been to put 3-way 6x9 speakers in boxes as > small as I can find and put them on the rear shelf. Be sure to get > speakers that can do whatever they can to present the high frequency > sound as well as possible. > > Eventually, I'd like to figure out how to discretely mount tweeters > in the dash, which I think would solve my complaints. > Alternatively, I could throw away my freshly-refurbished seats and > get a pair of Miata seats with the headrest speakers. Has anybody > ever tried to modify the MG headrest to embed speakers? You are subscribed as 60mgaman at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Fri May 22 15:33:52 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <900951.69924.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think maybe putting them below the bottom of the dash, facing rearward into the passenger's compartment, might not be a bad solution. You could sort of tuck them up a bit so they were partially hidden by the dash, so they would be less obtrusive. I'm thinking that your B is a GT, so if you also installed speakers in the sides of the rear compartment, the sound might not be too bad. Of course, I'm sure the acoustics are terrible but as long as your expectations for sound are relatively low, this might not be a bad solution. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Barrie Robinson To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:20:55 AM Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but I like that not because of the door/body connection required. It would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, simple route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I seen this place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place should be not a good idea? The radio will be a simple one with just the station selection buttons and front face flash-stick (USB) outlet. Using a flash-stick will be great as stacking even CDs in the car is a little cramped - forget tapes!!! Any sage advice would be welcome and thank you in advance for replies. Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 22 16:00:43 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <900951.69924.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> As the only 'option' (at least for US) radio was AM Dan, I am SURE you are 1000% correct !!!! Ed From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 22 20:43:59 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:43:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] paint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> er WRONG time of the year, huh? WHY couldn't happen in Nov, Dec, Jan or Feb?!?!?!?! LOL From xyzabcde at earthlink.net Fri May 22 22:46:57 2009 From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio References: Message-ID: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> Barrie Robinson said: > > I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual > space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers > that puzzle me. I stick the speakers in my ears. That is, when I don't feel like listening to the sound of the engine. This has many benefits. I don't have to worry about wind noise, listening to any passengers, hearing complaints about my taste in music, or cutting up my car. Using ear buds prevents the strap of headphones from interfering with the baseball cap I use to keep my hair out of my eyes and has probably kept me from being arrested in all these years. I installed a 12V socket under the passenger side dash so I can plug the Discman into it and not pollute the Earth with batteries. And this must actually help my hearing because I'm still the only one who pulls over for emergency vehicles. Don't mention it, happy to help. Denise Thorpe From shaws at mlcltd.com Sat May 23 07:56:58 2009 From: shaws at mlcltd.com (Bob Shaw) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> References: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> Message-ID: <6FC7B057-5D1F-4490-A053-16126DC5F0A0@mlcltd.com> I use a similar system in my MGA. It blocks the wind noise, the roar of the exhaust (I'm not joking on that point, ask anyone who has travelled with me) and the two small jacks are not very prominent on then dash. On May 22, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Denise Thorpe wrote: > Barrie Robinson said: >> >> I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual >> space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers >> that puzzle me. > > I stick the speakers in my ears. That is, when I don't feel like > listening to the sound of the engine. This has many benefits. I > don't have to worry about wind noise, listening to any passengers, > hearing complaints about my taste in music, or cutting up my car. > Using ear buds prevents the strap of headphones from interfering > with the baseball cap I use to keep my hair out of my eyes and has > probably kept me from being arrested in all these years. I installed > a 12V socket under the passenger side dash so I can plug the Discman > into it and not pollute the Earth with batteries. And this must > actually help my hearing because I'm still the only one who pulls > over for emergency vehicles. Don't mention it, happy to help. > > Denise Thorpe _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as shaws at mlcltd.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive Bob Shaw shaws at mlcltd.com shawsgarage at mlcltd.com My MGA is NOT leaking - merely marking it's territory! From barrie at look.ca Sat May 23 11:16:27 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> References: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> Message-ID: Denise, AAAAGGGGHHHHH! Pushing things in your ears is definitely not the way to go. I have had a few occasions when pedestrians have walked in front of me with ear-plugs and totally unaware of other noises. I have also has ear-plugged people nearly hitting me in car parks because - again - they cannot hear. You have to be able to hear horns, ambulances, fire trucks, other cars (some with quiet motors). I know you say you pull over but ear plugs do a damn good job of blocking out other sounds. Please, please do not block your ears. By the way, ear plugs are illegal in some parts of the world - Ohio being one (that is in the USA I believe)! But have a great week-end - I am !! At 12:46 AM 5/23/2009, Denise Thorpe wrote: >Barrie Robinson said: >> >>I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual >>space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers >>that puzzle me. > >I stick the speakers in my ears. That is, when I don't feel like >listening to the sound of the engine. This has many benefits. I >don't have to worry about wind noise, listening to any passengers, >hearing complaints about my taste in music, or cutting up my >car. Using ear buds prevents the strap of headphones from >interfering with the baseball cap I use to keep my hair out of my >eyes and has probably kept me from being arrested in all these >years. I installed a 12V socket under the passenger side dash so I >can plug the Discman into it and not pollute the Earth with >batteries. And this must actually help my hearing because I'm still >the only one who pulls over for emergency vehicles. Don't mention >it, happy to help. > >Denise Thorpe _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sat May 23 11:40:45 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio Message-ID: <126897.36594.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Barrie Robinson wrote: > AAAAGGGGHHHHH! Pushing things in your ears > is definitely not the way to go. I have had a few > occasions... It is also illegal in many places to drive a car while wearing headphones, for exactly the reasons Barrie goes on to enumerate. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sat May 23 14:25:39 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:25:39 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <011a01c9db61$86b131c0$63eb9904@S0028025559> Message-ID: Too bad it's illlegal in the state of California. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/22/09 9:46 PM, Denise Thorpe at xyzabcde at earthlink.net wrote: > Barrie Robinson said: >> >> I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual >> space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers >> that puzzle me. > > I stick the speakers in my ears. That is, when I don't feel like listening > to the sound of the engine. This has many benefits. I don't have to worry > about wind noise, listening to any passengers, hearing complaints about my > taste in music, or cutting up my car. Using ear buds prevents the strap of > headphones from interfering with the baseball cap I use to keep my hair out > of my eyes and has probably kept me from being arrested in all these years. > I installed a 12V socket under the passenger side dash so I can plug the > Discman into it and not pollute the Earth with batteries. And this must > actually help my hearing because I'm still the only one who pulls over for > emergency vehicles. Don't mention it, happy to help. > > Denise Thorpe From g.schnittke at comcast.net Sat May 23 17:55:22 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:55:22 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio Message-ID: <4A188CEA.5010802@comcast.net> I've been using the same Leyland badged radio for my last three roadsters and have this same dilemma. Since the radio is mono, I gave up on any kind of fidelity, and I think all the other's comments about fidelity are right on the mark. I didn't want to cut into the rear bulkhead (it IS a structural piece) and the doors were right out as well. I found a pair of cheesy marine enclosures at a boat shop big enough for a four incher and fit them on the "ceiling" of the footwell all the way forward. When I rebuilt the redcar ('67), I found that by switching the demister outlets side-to-side they fit even tighter up there and can't be seen unless you're REALLY looking. They do point down towards your feet, but not as badly as before, so I get a little more highs. I wired them in with the center 6x9 and it really doesn't sound bad. The four inchers take the high end and are more efficient and the center gives me all the low. Now all I need is an old Clarion EQ/booster to hide somewhere and give it more period power. What I'm having the hardest time finding is low-wattage speakers. Glenn From shop at justbrits.com Sat May 23 18:15:18 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:15:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: <126897.36594.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <> Indeed it would David; in any & all States that have adopted the Uniform Vehicle Code ( which IS the majority of States)!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun May 24 17:37:29 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races Message-ID: One of my indulgences on the Memorial Day weekend is to watch the Indy 500 and the Formula One race. While I respect the skills of the Indy Car racers, I can't imagine another motorsport that requires more skill and precise car control than that exhibited by road course drivers and, especially, by those at the GP of Monaco. These guys are incredible. I'll bet we all consider ourselves to be above average drivers, but these guys are absolutely humbling in their skill. I am still in awe after all these years of watching them. Someday, I need to go to Monte Carlo to watch this race in person. Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button. Larry Daniels From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun May 24 20:09:08 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:09:08 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races Message-ID: Absolutely! I was up at 6:30 this morning for the F1. It was a good race. The Brawns are pretty incredible cars piloted by experienced drivers. It was also nice to see the Ferraris back on the pace. Not to brag too much but, I was invited to work the Monico race. I just couldn't make it this weekend. I've worked F1 races for 9 years; in the pits at the USF1GP and as a track marshal in Melbourne. Sadly, I've realized that I'm just a little too old to work in this capacity. I can start the cars on the grid and handle the pit-in and pit-lane but I'm just not adequately fit to respond to emergencies at 100% effectiveness. Nancy and I are doing a western-Med cruise for our 30th anniversary, which includes a stop in Monico. We have arranged to traverse the whole F1 circuit while there. Happy holiday weekend and remember with me, our troops. Regards, Rick ------Original Message------ From: Larry Daniels Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net To: Spridgets List To: MG List Sent: May 24, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races One of my indulgences on the Memorial Day weekend is to watch the Indy 500 and the Formula One race. While I respect the skills of the Indy Car racers, I can't imagine another motorsport that requires more skill and precise car control than that exhibited by road course drivers and, especially, by those at the GP of Monaco. These guys are incredible. I'll bet we all consider ourselves to be above average drivers, but these guys are absolutely humbling in their skill. I am still in awe after all these years of watching them. Someday, I need to go to Monte Carlo to watch this race in person. Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button. Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun May 24 20:21:26 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:21:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] 2 Races References: <000d01c9dcd8$f7c1ce10$e7456a30$@net> Message-ID: I never raced at Indy (IRP doesn't count) but I've done a whole bunch of laps at RA. I did the kink at a little better than 130 mph (Rahal and his pals did it at 170 -- yikes and holy sh_t). I realized after a few laps that I was lifting a little bit for that corner when I didn't need to. One part of my my mind was telling me that I couldn't make it at that speed, but another part of it was saying, "Go for it, you chicken shit". I ended up putting my left foot on top of my right to hold the gas pedal down so I couldn't unconsciously lift. Scared the crap out of me at first. I absolutely agree with Bobby on that one. Nothing like that to make you feel like you are alive, though. Damn, I miss that stuff. Larry D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "'Larry Daniels'" ; "'Spridgets List'" ; "'MG List'" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [Spridgets] 2 Races I asked Bobby Rahal what corner scared him the most. He said..."I'll name 2. Turn 1 at Indianapolis where you have to convince yourself that you can make that corner at 225mph, and the Kink at Road America." > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Daniels > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:37 PM > To: Spridgets List; MG List > Subject: [Spridgets] 2 Races > > One of my indulgences on the Memorial Day weekend is to watch the Indy > 500 and > the Formula One race. > > While I respect the skills of the Indy Car racers, I can't imagine > another > motorsport that requires more skill and precise car control than that > exhibited by road course drivers and, especially, by those at the GP of > Monaco. These guys are incredible. I'll bet we all consider ourselves > to be > above average drivers, but these guys are absolutely humbling in their > skill. > I am still in awe after all these years of watching them. > > Someday, I need to go to Monte Carlo to watch this race in person. > > Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button. > > > Larry Daniels > _______________________________________________ From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun May 24 20:26:10 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races References: <1428219407-1243217347-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-856309693-@bxe1192.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I have followed your escapades for a few years now, Rick. I envy you. Someday.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Larry Daniels" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] 2 Races Absolutely! I was up at 6:30 this morning for the F1. It was a good race. The Brawns are pretty incredible cars piloted by experienced drivers. It was also nice to see the Ferraris back on the pace. Not to brag too much but, I was invited to work the Monico race. I just couldn't make it this weekend. I've worked F1 races for 9 years; in the pits at the USF1GP and as a track marshal in Melbourne. Sadly, I've realized that I'm just a little too old to work in this capacity. I can start the cars on the grid and handle the pit-in and pit-lane but I'm just not adequately fit to respond to emergencies at 100% effectiveness. Nancy and I are doing a western-Med cruise for our 30th anniversary, which includes a stop in Monico. We have arranged to traverse the whole F1 circuit while there. Happy holiday weekend and remember with me, our troops. Regards, Rick ------Original Message------ From: Larry Daniels Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net To: Spridgets List To: MG List Sent: May 24, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races One of my indulgences on the Memorial Day weekend is to watch the Indy 500 and the Formula One race. While I respect the skills of the Indy Car racers, I can't imagine another motorsport that requires more skill and precise car control than that exhibited by road course drivers and, especially, by those at the GP of Monaco. These guys are incredible. I'll bet we all consider ourselves to be above average drivers, but these guys are absolutely humbling in their skill. I am still in awe after all these years of watching them. Someday, I need to go to Monte Carlo to watch this race in person. Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button. Larry Daniels You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun May 24 20:54:18 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting Message-ID: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it seems that after pulling the engine/tranny and replacing the clutch, i have new woes to deal with. the car was out of commission for 2 or 3 months (various things kept getting in the way), and now i seem to have lost one or both of the batteries. yes, i'm still running two 6 volters, and i know i should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while they were working i would leave them. after charging them overnight, in series, i still didn't have enough juice. i added a 12 volt with jumpers and the car started right up. so clearly i've identified the problem. i am charging them again tonight just to be sure. can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have both finally quit? using my multimeter across the pair (both 6 volters) i get 12 volts. i suppose i could pull them and trundle off to sears to have them checked. they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so they are at least 4 1/2 years old. is it time??? thanks! From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sun May 24 21:40:54 2009 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A fully charged battery produces 2.12V per cell. 12.72 V for a 12V battery, 6.36V for a 6 volt battery. Charge them up overnight, then disconnect the charger and wait at least 4 hours to dissipate the surface charge. Or if you are in a hurry turn on the headlights for 30 seconds. Disconnect the batteries and measure the voltage individually. You will probably find one battery is quite a bit lower than the other. Then go buy a couple of new ones or convert to a single 12V. Rick On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM, oliver wrote: > it seems that after pulling the engine/tranny and replacing the clutch, i > have > new woes to deal with. the car was out of commission for 2 or 3 months > (various things kept getting in the way), and now i seem to have lost one > or > both of the batteries. yes, i'm still running two 6 volters, and i know i > should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while they were working > i > would leave them. > > after charging them overnight, in series, i still didn't have enough juice. > i > added a 12 volt with jumpers and the car started right up. so clearly i've > identified the problem. > > i am charging them again tonight just to be sure. > > can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have > both > finally quit? using my multimeter across the pair (both 6 volters) i get > 12 > volts. i suppose i could pull them and trundle off to sears to have them > checked. > > they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so they are > at > least 4 1/2 years old. is it time??? > > thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From rbgosling at googlemail.com Mon May 25 02:17:37 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:17:37 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520905250117n7f9c2e24v4dde51eea912ac04@mail.gmail.com> Worth checking prices, but I found that a single, high quality, 12V battery cost no more than one 6V battery. Since you know you need to replace at least one 6V battery, you might as well spend the same money and buy a 12V instead, unless originality matters a great deal to you. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT) 2009/5/25 Richard Ewald > A fully charged battery produces 2.12V per cell. 12.72 V for a 12V > battery, > 6.36V for a 6 volt battery. Charge them up overnight, then disconnect the > charger and wait at least 4 hours to dissipate the surface charge. Or if > you are in a hurry turn on the headlights for 30 seconds. > Disconnect the batteries and measure the voltage individually. You will > probably find one battery is quite a bit lower than the other. > Then go buy a couple of new ones or convert to a single 12V. > Rick > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM, oliver wrote: > > > it seems that after pulling the engine/tranny and replacing the clutch, i > > have > > new woes to deal with. the car was out of commission for 2 or 3 months > > (various things kept getting in the way), and now i seem to have lost one > > or > > both of the batteries. yes, i'm still running two 6 volters, and i know > i > > should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while they were > working > > i > > would leave them. > > > > after charging them overnight, in series, i still didn't have enough > juice. > > i > > added a 12 volt with jumpers and the car started right up. so clearly > i've > > identified the problem. > > > > i am charging them again tonight just to be sure. > > > > can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have > > both > > finally quit? using my multimeter across the pair (both 6 volters) i > get > > 12 > > volts. i suppose i could pull them and trundle off to sears to have them > > checked. > > > > they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so they are > > at > > least 4 1/2 years old. is it time??? > > > > thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald at gmail.com > > > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rbgosling at googlemail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 25 02:18:59 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:18:59 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> Nothing wrong with twin 6v, I've been running them for 20 years after converting back from the POs puny 12v. Still on my second set. Presumably you clamped the jump leads onto the connectors? So that still leaves the connection between the post and the connector as a possible source of bad connections. If the batteries have been standing 2 or 3 months without being recharged then I'm not surprised they are struggling now. After recharging you can check the individual batteries by putting a meter across the *posts* (not the connectors) first of one then the other while cranking. Ideally they will both be about the same voltage, typically about 5v for good batteries. You have to check them under load, off-load you will only see a much of a difference if one is really bad. If one is significantly down on the other during cranking it is obviously in a worse state than the other, but you would always change both together anyway unless one was an infant mortality. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have both finally quit? From dkeeble at verizon.net Mon May 25 04:44:54 2009 From: dkeeble at verizon.net (DonnaandDougKeeble) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:44:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> Message-ID: <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> and make sure your engine ground strap made it back on after the motor/trans R&R Doug K From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 25 04:50:27 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:50:27 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> Message-ID: If the jump leads that started it OK were on the batteries and not the starter it won't be the engine/gearbox ground strap. ----- Original Message ----- and make sure your engine ground strap made it back on after the motor/trans R&R From ejrussell at mebtel.net Mon May 25 06:39:42 2009 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83843553808F4658B97D2CB0239B3511@EricJRussellPC> A battery hydrometer will allow you to check each cell independently (and thus identify a weak cell). http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery.html#6 But at 4 1/2 years old I'd suggest getting a new (12V) battery. Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- > > can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have > both > finally quit? From allenhess at mgcarclub.com Mon May 25 07:24:58 2009 From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:24:58 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DE1C421-8E2E-476C-BC20-ACCC28C4003C@mgcarclub.com> > they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so > they are at > least 4 1/2 years old. is it time??? In my experience batteries have the uncanny ability to last one month past the warranty and then die. My other experience is that the "helmet" connecters become enlarged after years of cleaning/corrosion and no longer make a good connection, so new cable ends may be in order. Allen Hess From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 08:13:39 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Delta Cam Lash Message-ID: I have a Delta Cam - grind KB. I want to adjust the valves but am not sure of the specs. The tech sheet says .014, but doesn't say hot or cold -- and I don't remember. Anybody know? Larry From barrie at look.ca Mon May 25 08:57:08 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 10:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> Message-ID: Many years ago, sometime around the 80's Canadian Tire came out with a battery that was guaranteed for life as long as it stayed in the same car. I bought one and put it in my Maserati Mistral. It went dud, I replaced it free, that went dud so I replaced it, dud again replaced again, and again, and again. As you may guess it was moved to another car, several cars in fact. So now I have a problem in that the replacement will not fit in the MGB - shame! And I did check with Canadian Tire who took ages to confirm the guarantee - no one had heard of it and when they expressed an interest in the "Mistral" I had to lower my head in shame and slink back to the MGB - which somehow I don't think I can pass off as a Mistral which sad to say has long since gone (it still hurts!) At 06:44 AM 5/25/2009, DonnaandDougKeeble wrote: >and make sure your engine ground strap made it back on after the >motor/trans R&R > > Doug K >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 25 09:03:45 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:03:45 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash References: Message-ID: As standard clearance is .014 to .016 cold, and the majority of clearance change will be down to expansion of the push-rods, I'd be doing the same short of any other documented value. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I have a Delta Cam - grind KB. I want to adjust the valves but am not sure of the specs. The tech sheet says .014, but doesn't say hot or cold -- and I don't remember. Recent Activity Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Health Groups for people over 40 Join people who are staying in shape. . __,_._,___ From eric at erickson.on.net Mon May 25 09:19:26 2009 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:49:26 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] 2 Races In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1AB6FE.8070403@erickson.on.net> rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote: > Absolutely! I was up at 6:30 this morning for the F1. It was a good race. The Brawns are pretty incredible cars piloted by experienced drivers. It was also nice to see the Ferraris back on the pace. > > Not to brag too much but, I was invited to work the Monico race. I just couldn't make it this weekend. I've worked F1 races for 9 years; in the pits at the USF1GP and as a track marshal in Melbourne. Sadly, I've realized that I'm just a little too old to work in this capacity. I can start the cars on the grid and handle the pit-in and pit-lane but I'm just not adequately fit to respond to emergencies at 100% effectiveness. Mate, maybe we should plan something for next year (do I get to wear one of those helmets??)? A friend of mine has just got himself an apartment about 35 minutes drive from the track (just out of Nice). :-) From david_breneman at yahoo.com Mon May 25 09:25:56 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting Message-ID: <935866.35913.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Sun, 5/24/09, oliver wrote: > yes, i'm still running two 6 > volters, and i know i > should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while > they were working i would leave them. You make it sound like running with the original battery setup is something irrational. It's not. One thing you didn't mention is whether you topped up the fluid in the batteries with water. If the plates are left exposed to air they will corrode and reduce the capacity of the cell. From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Mon May 25 09:34:32 2009 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40b437200905250834w2f32f300n951f89078164102d@mail.gmail.com> I had an MGB that was not used for 2-4 months (can't remember exactly), and the battery would not hold any charge. However, I charged and discharged the battery over a period of a couple of weeks and it actually recovered capacity. I continued to use that battery for a couple of years. Simon On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM, oliver wrote: > it seems that after pulling the engine/tranny and replacing the clutch, i have > new woes to deal with. the car was out of commission for 2 or 3 months > (various things kept getting in the way), and now i seem to have lost one or > both of the batteries. yes, i'm still running two 6 volters, and i know i > should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while they were working i > would leave them. > > after charging them overnight, in series, i still didn't have enough juice. i > added a 12 volt with jumpers and the car started right up. so clearly i've > identified the problem. > > i am charging them again tonight just to be sure. > > can someone tell me how to identify which battery is bad or if they have both > finally quit? using my multimeter across the pair (both 6 volters) i get 12 > volts. i suppose i could pull them and trundle off to sears to have them > checked. > > they were in the car when I purchased it in December of 2004, so they are at > least 4 1/2 years old. is it time??? > > thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as simon.d.matthews at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 10:43:02 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:43:02 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <935866.35913.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: True. But my take on it would be that 6V battery technology is essentially stagnant, but there is healthy competition and innovation in 12V batteries. So, in theory, you are likely to get better value and better performance with a 12V battery. The value part is certainly true. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/25/09 8:25 AM, David Breneman at david_breneman at yahoo.com wrote: > -- On Sun, 5/24/09, oliver wrote: > >> yes, i'm still running two 6 >> volters, and i know i >> should replace them with a single 12, but i figured while >> they were working i would leave them. > > You make it sound like running with the original battery > setup is something irrational. It's not. > > One thing you didn't mention is whether you topped up > the fluid in the batteries with water. If the plates > are left exposed to air they will corrode and reduce > the capacity of the cell. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 10:56:23 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:56:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001801c9dd59$dbc10e20$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> as i had hoped, i received many good answers and suggestions. i usually buy sears die hards for all my cars, but they were no help here, except i could special order another pair of 6 volt batteries. my apologies to the purists; at O'Reilly's I found a Miata battery which is rather small, and with a little finagleing, fit rather well in one of the existing battery compartments. so, after way too many months of being MG-less, I am back on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 11:16:23 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:16:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash References: Message-ID: Thanks, Paul. That's what I was thinking, too, but it seems to me that I saw specs on a cam recently where they wanted it adjusted warm. I just don't remember where I might have seen that. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hunt" To: ; "MG List" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash As standard clearance is .014 to .016 cold, and the majority of clearance change will be down to expansion of the push-rods, I'd be doing the same short of any other documented value. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I have a Delta Cam - grind KB. I want to adjust the valves but am not sure of the specs. The tech sheet says .014, but doesn't say hot or cold -- and I don't remember. Recent Activity Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Health Groups for people over 40 Join people who are staying in shape. . __,_._,___ You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From barrie at look.ca Mon May 25 13:29:08 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:29:08 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <001801c9dd59$dbc10e20$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three> <4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> <001801c9dd59$dbc10e20$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Oliver, I have a Rover V8 in my built-from-bits MGB and that should take more omph - The bog standard 12 volt battery that drops into one box (size 24??) has done me well for four years now......and we get wicked winters up here and that is a not good for batteries so I am told ! - I don't even trickle charge it over winter !! At 12:56 PM 5/25/2009, oliver wrote: >as i had hoped, i received many good answers and suggestions. > >i usually buy sears die hards for all my cars, but they were no help >here, except i could special order another pair of 6 volt batteries. > >my apologies to the purists; at O'Reilly's I found a Miata battery >which is rather small, and with a little finagleing, fit rather well >in one of the existing battery compartments. > >so, after way too many months of being MG-less, I am back on the >road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 14:55:18 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:55:18 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the battery size is Group 26. BTW, some brands of these batteries have flanges at the bottom intended for bolt-down brackets (used on some cars instead of the more common over-the-top holddowns) -- if so, these may need to be trimmed off in order to fit down into the well (a utility knife or hacksaw blade is sufficent). A built-in strap or handle is strongly recommended (seldom if ever seen on 6V batteries). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/25/09 12:29 PM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote: > Oliver, > > I have a Rover V8 in my built-from-bits MGB and that should take more > omph - The bog standard 12 volt battery that drops into one box (size > 24??) has done me well for four years now......and we get wicked > winters up here and that is a not good for batteries so I am told ! - > I don't even trickle charge it over winter !! > > > At 12:56 PM 5/25/2009, oliver wrote: >> as i had hoped, i received many good answers and suggestions. >> >> i usually buy sears die hards for all my cars, but they were no help >> here, except i could special order another pair of 6 volt batteries. >> >> my apologies to the purists; at O'Reilly's I found a Miata battery >> which is rather small, and with a little finagleing, fit rather well >> in one of the existing battery compartments. >> >> so, after way too many months of being MG-less, I am back on the >> road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > > Regards > > Barrie > (705) 721-9060 From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Mon May 25 15:28:54 2009 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] TD front axle Message-ID: <0AC8EE76-FC7F-45A7-BCE4-8E677090B221@sbcglobal.net> I discovered my TD 2541 has a big washer between the bearing and nut and no grease hub cap. I discovered the washer rides up onto the bearing and the washer wears and causes heat. I looked in the mg manual and it shows (section I figure 1.2) a felt washer, grease retaining washer and nut. and section K.16 talks about a service kit for cars without a hub to stop grease leakage. I don't understand how a felt washer would let you torque the nut properly. Moss shows washer and nut with grease cap. I'm assuming my best path would be to torque the nut and then try to find a way to seal the hub or just keep it clean. Anybody else have a better idea or know a different solution? I'm also assuming moss's grease cap won't fit the early car. Thanks, Mike From grunt333 at verizon.net Mon May 25 17:33:50 2009 From: grunt333 at verizon.net (CARL ELLIOT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] boot lid Message-ID: <659141.27753.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I need a boot lid for my 73 roadster, Any one have one in NJ,NY.PA Thanks CarlE. grunt333 at verizon.net, PS. have lot of odds and ends if someone needs something. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 26 05:29:25 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:25 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40b437200905250834w2f32f300n951f89078164102d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76B3B991B8CB40AEA066DCFB4C291591@Three> If a battery has gone flat you can often recover most of its apparently lost capacity by giving it a boost charge i.e. charge it at a higher voltage than a conventional trickle charger or even on the car, i.e. greater than 14.5v for a couple of hours. Some years ago Mercedes were having to select alternator voltage regulators picking the ones that gave a voltage at the higher end of the tolerance as the ones at the lower end were allowing the battery to gradually lose capacity. Whilst it's quite likely that the original tar-top batteries *are* original technology inside, there is no reason why modern technology couldn't be or isn't used, and I'm aware of at least three different styles of 6v battery for the MGB. The original capacity was 58Ah/250CCA and I have found that more than adequate for the UK, although I don't use the roadster in temps below freezing and it's garaged. This capacity is available from a number of suppliers, and Moss Europe have a 'heavy duty' 63Ah/295CCA as well. Whilst modern, physically smaller 12v batteries do have a greater CCA they tend to have a lower Ah rate which means whilst they will have better cranking performance i.e. for cold conditions they will go flat quicker under conditions like stuck in traffic with lots of electrical stuff running, or if you have to park anywhere with lights on. Having to cut flanges off the case in order to make it fit will invalidate any guarantee, cross your fingers and hope they don't spot it if you have to claim. You also need to change the hold-down arrangements for a 12v. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I charged and discharged the battery over a period of a couple of weeks and it actually recovered capacity. From mgb72 at airmail.net Tue May 26 07:41:10 2009 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (mgb72 at airmail.net) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting Message-ID: <22729.1243345270@airmail.net> Having to cut flanges off the case in order to make it fit will invalidate any guarantee, cross your fingers and hope they don't spot it if you have to claim. I have returned altered batteries with no issue, they are just going to dispose of it anyway. Cutting plastic away will not alter the batteries operation. You also need to change the hold-down arrangements for a 12v. Gravity holds the battery down just fine so no need to redo anything with the hold down These are just my experiences. On Tue 09/05/26 05:29 , "Paul Hunt" sent: If a battery has gone flat you can often recover most of its apparently lost capacity by giving it a boost charge i.e. charge it at a higher voltage than a conventional trickle charger or even on the car, i.e. greater than 14.5v for a couple of hours. Some years ago Mercedes were having to select alternator voltage regulators picking the ones that gave a voltage at the higher end of the tolerance as the ones at the lower end were allowing the battery to gradually lose capacity. Whilst it's quite likely that the original tar-top batteries *are* original technology inside, there is no reason why modern technology couldn't be or isn't used, and I'm aware of at least three different styles of 6v battery for the MGB. The original capacity was 58Ah/250CCA and I have found that more than adequate for the UK, although I don't use the roadster in temps below freezing and it's garaged. This capacity is available from a number of suppliers, and Moss Europe have a 'heavy duty' 63Ah/295CCA as well. Whilst modern, physically smaller 12v batteries do have a greater CCA they tend to have a lower Ah rate which means whilst they will have better cranking performance i.e. for cold conditions they will go flat quicker under conditions like stuck in traffic with lots of electrical stuff running, or if you have to park anywhere with lights on. Having to cut flanges off the case in order to make it fit will invalidate any guarantee, cross your fingers and hope they don't spot it if you have to claim. You also need to change the hold-down arrangements for a 12v. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------- Msg sent via Internet America Webmail - www.internetamerica.com From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Tue May 26 07:51:44 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:51:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <001801c9dd59$dbc10e20$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <359242.85428.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com><336F37DDA47A4628BD1851C04D470B69@Three><4A1A76A6.5070501@verizon.net> <001801c9dd59$dbc10e20$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FE9D@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> I still buy Sears DieHards for all my cars. After my last set of 6 volts started to die a few years ago, Sears did string me along for several months with their special order 6v batteries which never came. Searching around, I found the supply of 17HF batteries seem to be disappearing due to decreasing demand. Plus they were running at $90 USD or higher for each whereas I could get a 26 battery for less than the cost of one 6 volt. So I now run 12V batteries in all my cars. I recommend the Sear Diehard group 26 battery - the fit is still loose and it comes with a strap which makes for very easy removal. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:56 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] batteries and starting as i had hoped, i received many good answers and suggestions. i usually buy sears die hards for all my cars, but they were no help here, except i could special order another pair of 6 volt batteries. my apologies to the purists; at O'Reilly's I found a Miata battery which is rather small, and with a little finagleing, fit rather well in one of the existing battery compartments. so, after way too many months of being MG-less, I am back on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 26 07:54:43 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:54:43 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: <22729.1243345270@airmail.net> Message-ID: Unless they are held down they can bounce up and short out on the bottom of the cover panel, and the rattling around reduces their life anyway. Some fit foam there as a quick bodge, but that can get damp and will trickle-discharge the batteries. As for cutting up a battery and then trying to get a replacement under guarantee, you won't know till you try. It never ceases to amaze me how mere employees of a company will gib and argue rather than giving you a top-up, replacement, or whatever depending on what you are complaining about as if the cost is coming out of their own pockets! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Gravity holds the battery down just fine so no need to redo anything with the hold down From mgbob at juno.com Tue May 26 08:19:22 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:22 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting Message-ID: <20090526.102603.224.17.MGBOB@juno.com> Gravity is fine until one drives into a rough patch of road. If the battery gets loose, its terminals could bump the metal cover with dramatic results. Some say that the impact of battery to battery tray is more severe and damaging to battery internals than the vibration that it gets when secured. It's good practice to secure the battery to the battery tray; even a piece of synthetic rope is better than not securing. Though I can't speak to a tech inspection at NAMGBR gatherings, an unsecured battery at a NE MGT Register gathering is a fail. Bob On Tue, 26 May 2009 08:41:10 -0500 mgb72 at airmail.net writes: > Having to cut flanges off the case in order to make it fit > will > invalidate any > guarantee, cross your fingers and hope they don't spot it if you > have to > claim. > > I have returned altered batteries with no issue, they are > just going > to dispose of it anyway. Cutting plastic away will not alter the > batteries operation. > You also need to change the hold-down arrangements for a > 12v. > Gravity holds the battery down just fine so no need to redo > anything > with the hold down > > These are just my experiences. ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! Click now for professional data recovery. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLygHI3qdftvYJdBYTqJgDv5A5lj6FAs6HkaLpmeqZebzv7aIhp1O/ From james.f.juhas at snet.net Tue May 26 09:04:40 2009 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:40 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1C0508.3000606@snet.net> All the MGA and MGB shop manuals I have say to adjust them hot, and only give one spec. John Twist (University Motors) and Barney Gaylord (MGA Guru) say the same thing in person and in print. And the plate that mounts on my MGA engine says specifically to adjust when hot. Larry Daniels wrote: > Thanks, Paul. That's what I was thinking, too, but it seems to me that I > saw specs on a cam recently where they wanted it adjusted warm. I just > don't remember where I might have seen that. > > Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hunt" > To: ; "MG List" > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash > > > As standard clearance is .014 to .016 cold, and the majority of clearance > change will be down to expansion of the push-rods, I'd be doing the same > short > of any other documented value. > > PaulH. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of james_f_juhas.vcf] From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com Tue May 26 10:06:39 2009 From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] MGB GT Doors Message-ID: <140001.10993.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Fellow Listers; While working on my BGT this weekend, the possible replacement of the doors came to mind. Has anyone had any experience with the GT doors Victoria British sells (fitment, quality, etc)?? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt MilkevitchWillow Grove, PA'74 MGB GT From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 26 09:48:58 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:48:58 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash References: <4A1C0508.3000606@snet.net> Message-ID: Again, FWIW, Haynes for the MGB only has cold figures and specifically says to set the clearances before running the engine, i.e. to the only figures it gives i.e. cold. Agreed this is during a rebuild and not maintenance, but like the early Workshop Manual if it only gives cold figures then that is when they are supposed to be set. Personal preference is something else altogether. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- All the MGA and MGB shop manuals I have say to adjust them hot, and only give one spec. From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue May 26 10:50:28 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:50:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash References: <4A1C0508.3000606@snet.net> Message-ID: Bentley says warm for the MGB, but cold for the 1275 A-series in the Spridgets. I gave up and called Delta and they said they always quote cold. I guess I'll go cold. Thanks all, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hunt" Cc: "MG List" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash Again, FWIW, Haynes for the MGB only has cold figures and specifically says to set the clearances before running the engine, i.e. to the only figures it gives i.e. cold. Agreed this is during a rebuild and not maintenance, but like the early Workshop Manual if it only gives cold figures then that is when they are supposed to be set. Personal preference is something else altogether. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- All the MGA and MGB shop manuals I have say to adjust them hot, and only give one spec. You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From rbgosling at googlemail.com Tue May 26 10:52:32 2009 From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:52:32 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB GT Doors In-Reply-To: <140001.10993.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <140001.10993.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9f2527520905260952p23dfd5faof0cc13396d691fd6@mail.gmail.com> I suspect wherever you buy the doors, they come from the same source - British Motor Heritage. They are too complicated a component for any of the after-market panel suppliers to do. But I might be wrong... I've just fitted a new near-side door to my GT, and it fits a treat. Quality seems as good as I could want. Having said that, I read a magazine article about BMH bodyshells and panels. The challenge is not so much manufacturing the components consistently, so much as the cars were not entirely consistent when they were first built. The author bought a door that didn't fit his car too well, but when he returned it that door fit someone elses car just fine. He was supplied another door and that fit fine. So the story seems to be that not all doors fit all cars fine, but the fault is just as much with the original car as with the new door. For this reason I believe BMH don't supply bodyshells without supplying matching doors at the same time; but you can of course buy a door on its own. There are a few holes that need drilling for fitting bits of trim, so make sure these are drilled before you paint, so the edges of the holes get some paint protection on them. Also the GT doors are different to the roadster, BUT the only difference is a small triangle of metal at the top of the rear of the door that is present on the roadster, but is not there and a chrome trim triangle rivetted in its place on the GT. When I bought my door the suppliers didn't have any GT doors in stock, so they just sent me a roadster door and I cut the little triangle off before painting. Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT, with one shiny door and the rest a bit faded...) From dcouncill at msubillings.edu Tue May 26 10:58:48 2009 From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:58:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGB GT Doors In-Reply-To: <140001.10993.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <140001.10993.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FEB4@EXVS01.msubillings.edu> I don't know about new doors but there have been fit problems with other aftermarket body parts. And I'm not sure what the advantage of new doors would be since good used GT doors should be readily available and cheap. In fact, I threw two away from my 71 BGT last year after they had been sitting around for 3-4 years with no takers, granted they are not a hot item in Montana and shipping would not be practical. I probably still have all the other door parts though, all except those door shells. David Councill 67 BGT 72 B 73 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Milkevitch Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MGB GT Doors Fellow Listers; While working on my BGT this weekend, the possible replacement of the doors came to mind. Has anyone had any experience with the GT doors Victoria British sells (fitment, quality, etc)?? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt MilkevitchWillow Grove, PA'74 MGB GT From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue May 26 11:38:13 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash In-Reply-To: <4A1C0508.3000606@snet.net> Message-ID: While I can understand that the "hot" condition is the actual running condition, and therefore is the condition under which one might naturally wish to set the tolerance, in practice it seems to me that the process is so poorly controlled that it would be unlikely to produce consistent results. That is, after running the engine whatever length of time, the temperature of the valves is consistently "x", but after removing the rocker cover, and fiddling with the first valve, the temperature of the remaining valves is now "x-y"; and the next one is "x-y-z", and so on. Some people attempt to do this with the engine running, but as the rocker cover is removed, this is not the actual operating condition, either. On the other hand, it is theoretically possible to calculate the rate of expansion of the metal of the valves, rockers, and pushrods to a high degree of accuracy, and to take that into account in setting a "cold" rocker clearance standard (presumably this has been incorporated into the factory specification for cold clearances). So my contention is that setting them cold is equally accurate, in theory, and more likely to be consistent, in practice (in those cases where the factory has provided this figure, of course). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/26/09 8:04 AM, James F Juhas at james.f.juhas at snet.net wrote: > All the MGA and MGB shop manuals I have say to adjust them hot, and only > give one spec. John Twist (University Motors) and Barney Gaylord (MGA > Guru) say the same thing in person and in print. And the plate that > mounts on my MGA engine says specifically to adjust when hot. > > Larry Daniels wrote: >> Thanks, Paul. That's what I was thinking, too, but it seems to me that I >> saw specs on a cam recently where they wanted it adjusted warm. I just >> don't remember where I might have seen that. >> >> Larry >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Hunt" >> To: ; "MG List" >> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash >> >> >> As standard clearance is .014 to .016 cold, and the majority of clearance >> change will be down to expansion of the push-rods, I'd be doing the same >> short >> of any other documented value. >> >> PaulH. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Tue May 26 12:15:00 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash Message-ID: <193757.92430.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Max wrote, > So my contention is that setting them cold is equally accurate, > in theory, and more likely to be consistent, in practice (in > those cases where the factory has provided this figure, of course). Knowing all the while that the cam wear may be greater than the precision of either measurement technique. :-P This all feels to me like using a micrometer to select which pipe wrench to use. I have ALWAYS set valve clearances on dead-cold engines; all marques, all years. And yes, I have an LBC again - as was expected. I now own a 1962 Triumph TR3b. 72nd from the end of TR3 production. It is a superb specimen. Rick PS: My apologies for using the T-word in mixed company. From shop at justbrits.com Tue May 26 12:19:58 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW Message-ID: >From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!! Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a certificate of inspection before being registered. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue May 26 12:39:58 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:58 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash In-Reply-To: <193757.92430.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmm, actually, I would have thought that cam wear is irrelevant? The valve is closed when it's closed, regardless of cam lift. For instance, my former cam had 0.20" wear on the #2 lobe, but I could still set the valve clearance. I understand your point about meaningful levels of accuracy, in general, but this particular measurement is not affected by wear -- in fact, it is deliberately contrived to adjust for wear. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/26/09 11:15 AM, Rick Lindsay at rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote: > > Max wrote, > >> So my contention is that setting them cold is equally accurate, >> in theory, and more likely to be consistent, in practice (in >> those cases where the factory has provided this figure, of course). > > Knowing all the while that the cam wear may be greater than the precision of > either measurement technique. :-P This all feels to me like using a > micrometer to select which pipe wrench to use. I have ALWAYS set valve > clearances on dead-cold engines; all marques, all years. > > And yes, I have an LBC again - as was expected. I now own a 1962 Triumph > TR3b. 72nd from the end of TR3 production. It is a superb specimen. > > Rick > PS: My apologies for using the T-word in mixed company. From ptrmgb at gmail.com Tue May 26 12:46:23 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:46:23 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash In-Reply-To: <193757.92430.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <193757.92430.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09D2A2DA-210C-4F1D-8A7A-3CA25137E0B5@gmail.com> Err, Congratulations Rick? I'm not much of a TR guy. I actually liked my TR7, except when the transmission fragged on me. I'd still like a TR8. On May 26, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Max wrote, > >> So my contention is that setting them cold is equally accurate, >> in theory, and more likely to be consistent, in practice (in >> those cases where the factory has provided this figure, of course). > > Knowing all the while that the cam wear may be greater than the > precision of either measurement technique. :-P This all feels to me > like using a micrometer to select which pipe wrench to use. I have > ALWAYS set valve clearances on dead-cold engines; all marques, all > years. > > And yes, I have an LBC again - as was expected. I now own a 1962 > Triumph TR3b. 72nd from the end of TR3 production. It is a superb > specimen. > > Rick > PS: My apologies for using the T-word in mixed company. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From rolindsay at yahoo.com Tue May 26 13:39:41 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash Message-ID: <163225.85157.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True all around. I did not mean to imply that cam wear affected the measurement but rather, we are talking about the precision of the thermal expansion of metals and how that might affect performance when there are typically much sloppier tolerances elsewhere in our old engines. :-P rick --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Max Heim wrote: > From: Max Heim > Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Delta Cam Lash > To: "MG List" > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 1:39 PM > Hmm, actually, I would have thought > that cam wear is irrelevant? The valve > is closed when it's closed, regardless of cam lift. For > instance, my former > cam had 0.20" wear on the #2 lobe, but I could still set > the valve > clearance. > > I understand your point about meaningful levels of > accuracy, in general, but > this particular measurement is not affected by wear -- in > fact, it is > deliberately contrived to adjust for wear. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 5/26/09 11:15 AM, Rick Lindsay at rolindsay at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > > Max wrote, > > > >> So my contention is that setting them cold is > equally accurate, > >> in theory, and more likely to be consistent, in > practice (in > >> those cases where the factory has provided this > figure, of course). > > > > Knowing all the while that the cam wear may be greater > than the precision of > > either measurement technique. :-P This all feels > to me like using a > > micrometer to select which pipe wrench to use. I > have ALWAYS set valve > > clearances on dead-cold engines; all marques, all > years. > > > > And yes, I have an LBC again - as was expected. > I now own a 1962 Triumph > > TR3b. 72nd from the end of TR3 production. > It is a superb specimen. > > > > Rick > > PS: My apologies for using the T-word in mixed > company. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue May 26 15:09:36 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW Message-ID: <875615.53976.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ed's Shop wrote: > Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from > needing a > certificate of inspection before being registered. What is the significance of a "certificate of inspection?" Does it have something to do with aftermarket equipment? From dwillner at ptd.net Tue May 26 15:53:56 2009 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:53:56 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW References: <875615.53976.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c9de4c$7860cb60$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> I've never had to get a vehicle inspected before registration in PA, classic or antique, I've needed to send several photos to Harrisburg at the time of the "permanent" registration process though, but that's it? Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ed's Shop wrote: > >> Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from >> needing a >> certificate of inspection before being registered. > > > What is the significance of a "certificate of inspection?" > Does it have something to do with aftermarket equipment? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as dwillner at ptd.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From mgtd51 at comcast.net Tue May 26 16:30:04 2009 From: mgtd51 at comcast.net (MGTD51) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW In-Reply-To: <000501c9de4c$7860cb60$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> References: <875615.53976.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000501c9de4c$7860cb60$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Message-ID: <4A1C6D6C.1010003@comcast.net> Massachusetts requires an annual inspection of all cars or the car can't be driven. My 2 cars - 1951MGTD and 1959AH3000 - do not have to pass an emissions test because of age, but otherwise need to work correctly. Larry Swift davewillner wrote: > I've never had to get a vehicle inspected before registration in PA, > classic or antique, I've needed to send several photos to Harrisburg > at the time of the "permanent" registration process though, but that's > it? > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW > > >> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ed's Shop wrote: >> >>> Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from >>> needing a >>> certificate of inspection before being registered. >> >> >> What is the significance of a "certificate of inspection?" >> Does it have something to do with aftermarket equipment? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as dwillner at ptd.net >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgtd51 at comcast.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From mgb72 at airmail.net Tue May 26 16:59:53 2009 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:59:53 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: References: <22729.1243345270@airmail.net> Message-ID: <000001c9de55$b483e920$1d8bbb60$@net> I can see where that would be a problem, just never had one move that much, and have been over several cattle guards at pretty high speeds (didn't see it coming) during rallies and didn't have a problem, that's about as rough as it gets.. I have returned such batteries, but it helps to go to the same place a lot and spend a lot and know the manager, but it has never gotten to him the high school kids don't seem to care about the company and their money... Not saying your hold down well and anti-alter battery body approach is bad (quite good actually), just don't practice either myself and have been fine... -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:55 AM Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] batteries and starting Unless they are held down they can bounce up and short out on the bottom of the cover panel, and the rattling around reduces their life anyway. Some fit foam there as a quick bodge, but that can get damp and will trickle-discharge the batteries. As for cutting up a battery and then trying to get a replacement under guarantee, you won't know till you try. It never ceases to amaze me how mere employees of a company will gib and argue rather than giving you a top-up, replacement, or whatever depending on what you are complaining about as if the cost is coming out of their own pockets! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Gravity holds the battery down just fine so no need to redo anything with the hold down _______________________________________________ From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue May 26 17:46:04 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <000001c9de55$b483e920$1d8bbb60$@net> Message-ID: You at least want a holddown for when you roll over, so the battery doesn't short out sending a shower of sparks over the fuel pump... Does anyone recall seeing an Inspector Morse mystery, where some poor shmuck is killed when his Iris Blue MGB roadster rolls over after its brake lines have been cut? The entire accident seems pretty unlikely since it occurs on a perfectly flat lane through a park, with wide grassy verges and only scattered trees, where all he would have had to do was to let off the gas and roll gently to a stop. Anyway, the car winds up on its side (also highly unlikely), and there is a shot from the underneath side of the car looking through the battery tray (apparently the lid has popped off, and the battery was not secured) to the dead man sprawled in the grass (not wearing his seat belt, either...tsk tsk). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires [battery holddown = bungie cord] on 5/26/09 3:59 PM, Chad Cooper at mgb72 at airmail.net wrote: > I can see where that would be a problem, just never had one move that much, > and have been over several cattle guards at pretty high speeds (didn't see > it coming) during rallies and didn't have a problem, that's about as rough > as it gets.. I have returned such batteries, but it helps to go to the same > place a lot and spend a lot and know the manager, but it has never gotten to > him the high school kids don't seem to care about the company and their > money... > > Not saying your hold down well and anti-alter battery body approach is bad > (quite good actually), just don't practice either myself and have been > fine... > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul Hunt > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:55 AM > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] batteries and starting > > Unless they are held down they can bounce up and short out on the bottom of > the cover panel, and the rattling around reduces their life anyway. Some > fit > foam there as a quick bodge, but that can get damp and will > trickle-discharge > the batteries. As for cutting up a battery and then trying to get a > replacement under guarantee, you won't know till you try. It never ceases > to > amaze me how mere employees of a company will gib and argue rather than > giving > you a top-up, replacement, or whatever depending on what you are complaining > about as if the cost is coming out of their own pockets! > > PaulH. > ----- Original Message ----- > Gravity holds the battery down just fine so no need to redo anything with > the hold down From rocknatural at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:58:50 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:58:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW In-Reply-To: <4A1C6D6C.1010003@comcast.net> References: <875615.53976.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000501c9de4c$7860cb60$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> <4A1C6D6C.1010003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A1C823A.3050307@gmail.com> MGTD51 wrote: > Massachusetts requires an annual inspection of all cars or the car > can't be driven. My 2 cars - 1951MGTD and 1959AH3000 - do not have to > pass an emissions test because of age, but otherwise need to work > correctly. We, in Oklahoma, used to have many, many inspection stations that would put a safety sticker on your dog for $5. That's one reason we threw them out many years ago. The Feds never lived up to their threats. -The Roxter -- From xyzabcde at earthlink.net Tue May 26 18:03:15 2009 From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:03:15 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio References: Message-ID: <139901c9de6f$5cb212c0$6c4e9904@S0028025559> Ed quoted: > < while wearing headphones>> And then said: > Indeed it would David; in any & all States that have > adopted the Uniform Vehicle Code ( which IS > the majority of States)!! > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com Et tu, Ed? ;-) More recently, Larry Daniels said: "Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button." Does this mean that Helio Castroneves does more than dance? Denise Thorpe From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue May 26 20:53:37 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Fitting a radio Message-ID: <627423.43342.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Denise Thorpe wrote: > > Ed quoted [from me]: > > > It is also illegal in many places to drive a > > > car while wearing headphones > > > And then said: > > Indeed it would David; in any & all States that > > have adopted the Uniform Vehicle Code ( which IS > > the majority of States)!! > Et tu, Ed? ;-) > > More recently, Larry Daniels said: > "Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button." > > Does this mean that Helio Castroneves does more than > dance? I hope I'm not alone here in asking: Huh? From rolindsay at yahoo.com Tue May 26 22:12:43 2009 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 04:12:43 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW Message-ID: Exactly the same for 25+ year old cars in Texas when registered as antiques. Rick ------Original Message------ From: MGTD51 Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net To: davewillner Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: May 26, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW Massachusetts requires an annual inspection of all cars or the car can't be driven. My 2 cars - 1951MGTD and 1959AH3000 - do not have to pass an emissions test because of age, but otherwise need to work correctly. Larry Swift davewillner wrote: > I've never had to get a vehicle inspected before registration in PA, > classic or antique, I've needed to send several photos to Harrisburg > at the time of the "permanent" registration process though, but that's > it? > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg, PA > 59 TR3A Apple Green > 70 MGB BRG > 70 BSA 441 Victor Special > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Breneman" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW > > >> --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Ed's Shop wrote: >> >>> Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from >>> needing a >>> certificate of inspection before being registered. >> >> >> What is the significance of a "certificate of inspection?" >> Does it have something to do with aftermarket equipment? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as dwillner at ptd.net >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgtd51 at comcast.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Tue May 26 22:50:27 2009 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1CC693.2050006@sbcglobal.net> Missouri doesn't have any safety or emission inspection requirements for cars 25+ years old with a historic or year-of-manufacture license plate. There is no annual fee unless you have a personalized historic plate. There is a mileage limitation but the regulation is vague with numerous exemptions and rarely if ever enforced. Charles Hill rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote: > Exactly the same for 25+ year old cars in Texas when registered as antiques. > > Rick > ------Original Message------ > From: MGTD51 > Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net > To: davewillner > Cc: mgs at autox.team.net > Sent: May 26, 2009 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW > > Massachusetts requires an annual inspection of all cars or the car can't > be driven. My 2 cars - 1951MGTD and 1959AH3000 - do not have to pass an > emissions test because of age, but otherwise need to work correctly. > > Larry Swift From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 27 04:29:53 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:29:53 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting References: Message-ID: <9FEB1A29DFEA42A68B4FE6041D7B044B@Three> Probably didn't even have a battery, i.e. simulated roll-over, because of acid leakage. Many years ago I remember reading stories of someone suing (or attempting to sue) BL or the importers after they overturned their car, were trapped, and got acid on themselves. Whether it was true or an urban myth I don't know. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... there is a shot from the underneath side of the car looking through the battery tray (apparently the lid has popped off, and the battery was not secured) ... From barrie at look.ca Wed May 27 09:05:44 2009 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:05:44 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Fitting a radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: James, Yes! a simple radio as I do not want flashing screen with all sorts of useless garbage - TV even!!!!! So I will get one with the six buttons (enough, but I know they all have an ability to use a button three times) - a USB port for my flash drive. The latter I suppose needs something to allow one to search/see titles etc - but will consult with radio chap. If it wasn't for my desire to hear Canadian Radio 1 (NO COMMERCIALS) I would just have a flash drive thingy (Ipod??). As for paying for Serious (ha ha) radio - forget it! My speakers are going into the wheel well as I can certainly protect from any rubbish that gets in there past the seals. At 11:42 PM 5/26/2009, James Bown wrote: >What make/model of radio are you going to use? >It sounds like a good simple one. > > > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:20:55 -0400 > > To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net > > From: barrie at look.ca > > Subject: [Mgb-v8] Fitting a radio > > > > I want to put in a radio in my MGB and, of course. I have the usual > > space in the centre console, but it is the location of the speakers > > that puzzle me. Seems as if the doors are the most common spot but I > > like that not because of the door/body connection required. It > > would seem that the wing space to the left (or right) of ones knees > > (forward of the door opening) would be perfect. Tons of room, simple > > route to radio, and easily fitted. However, nowhere have I seen this > > place mentioned. Is there some reason why this place should be not a > > good idea? > > > > The radio will be a simple one with just the station selection > > buttons and front face flash-stick (USB) outlet. Using a flash-stick > > will be great as stacking even CDs in the car is a little cramped - > > forget tapes!!! > > > > Any sage advice would be welcome and thank you in advance for replies. > > > > Regards > > > > Barrie > > (705) 721-9060 > > > >---------- >Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Dont worry >about storage limits. >Check >it out. Regards Barrie (705) 721-9060 From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 10:10:40 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:10:40 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting In-Reply-To: <9FEB1A29DFEA42A68B4FE6041D7B044B@Three> Message-ID: Oh, I know it was a simulated rollover -- it was obvious that they just propped the car up on its side and spattered some mud on it. I just thought it was funny that the director would even know about the battery access, and plan a shot "through" it. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/27/09 3:29 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Probably didn't even have a battery, i.e. simulated roll-over, because of acid > leakage. Many years ago I remember reading stories of someone suing (or > attempting to sue) BL or the importers after they overturned their car, were > trapped, and got acid on themselves. Whether it was true or an urban myth I > don't know. > > PaulH. > ----- Original Message ----- > ... there is a shot from the underneath side of the car looking > through the battery tray (apparently the lid has popped off, and the battery > was not secured) ... From shop at justbrits.com Wed May 27 11:36:07 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:36:07 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW In-Reply-To: <4AF856E12D9F45BB8FF33486AF4CEAC3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <> LMAO Bud in just thinkin' of one of those guys going over a MG TC or Austin 7 !!!! Ed From mgbob at juno.com Wed May 27 15:20:39 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:20:39 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] batteries and starting Message-ID: <20090527.174208.3096.12.MGBOB@juno.com> Yes, saw it. We enjoyed Inspector Morse and his 3.8 MkII. That was an unlikely accident, that probably destroyed a pretty good MGB. One reads that, because of the costs of a TV or cinema shoot, the cars are well prepared so they do not cause expensive delays in production. Bob On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:46:04 -0700 Max Heim writes: > You at least want a holddown for when you roll over, so the battery > doesn't > short out sending a shower of sparks over the fuel pump... > > Does anyone recall seeing an Inspector Morse mystery, where some > poor shmuck > is killed when his Iris Blue MGB roadster rolls over after its brake ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQb6ybL9lRBoM29fvYSvNJbO7B8ENyvW60XxgdBQNvVDPPf7kMQ/ From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 16:12:06 2009 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:12:06 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] More MGBs on TV In-Reply-To: <20090527.174208.3096.12.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: There is a commercial for a casino playing locally that shows the fun-loving couple rolling up to the door in their white RBB. It appears 2 or 3 times in the spot. It struck me as an unusual choice, in that it is not particularly glamorous (at least, not in white, which accentuates the bulbous protruberances), nor very "vintage"-looking, and that contemporary convertible sports cars are no longer difficult to find -- they could take their pick of Miata, Z4, S2000, MR2, Solstice, etc. It was probably available cheap . -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/27/09 2:20 PM, Bob Howard at mgbob at juno.com wrote: > Yes, saw it. We enjoyed Inspector Morse and his 3.8 MkII. > That was an unlikely accident, that probably destroyed a pretty good > MGB. One reads that, because of the costs of a TV or cinema shoot, the > cars are well prepared so they do not cause expensive delays in > production. > Bob > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:46:04 -0700 Max Heim > writes: >> You at least want a holddown for when you roll over, so the battery >> doesn't >> short out sending a shower of sparks over the fuel pump... >> >> Does anyone recall seeing an Inspector Morse mystery, where some >> poor shmuck >> is killed when his Iris Blue MGB roadster rolls over after its brake From arundell at ghs.com.au Wed May 27 16:45:26 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:45:26 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] More MGBs on TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D74DB15-8FE7-429C-97C7-7A40B2311247@ghs.com.au> Or as what happens here in Aus, it belongs to the Producer of the Advertisement. There is a guy in Sydney who produces lots of TV adverts. He owns an MGR-V8 and he often places it in his adverts. Sometimes its obvious sometimes it not, but its usually there. Murray Arundell On 28/05/2009, at 8:12 AM, Max Heim wrote: > There is a commercial for a casino playing locally that shows the > fun-loving > couple rolling up to the door in their white RBB. It appears 2 or 3 > times in > the spot. > > It struck me as an unusual choice, in that it is not particularly > glamorous > (at least, not in white, which accentuates the bulbous > protruberances), nor > very "vintage"-looking, and that contemporary convertible sports > cars are no > longer difficult to find -- they could take their pick of Miata, Z4, > S2000, > MR2, Solstice, etc. It was probably available cheap . > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > on 5/27/09 2:20 PM, Bob Howard at mgbob at juno.com wrote: > >> Yes, saw it. We enjoyed Inspector Morse and his 3.8 MkII. >> That was an unlikely accident, that probably destroyed a pretty good >> MGB. One reads that, because of the costs of a TV or cinema shoot, >> the >> cars are well prepared so they do not cause expensive delays in >> production. >> Bob >> >> On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:46:04 -0700 Max Heim >> writes: >>> You at least want a holddown for when you roll over, so the battery >>> doesn't >>> short out sending a shower of sparks over the fuel pump... >>> >>> Does anyone recall seeing an Inspector Morse mystery, where some >>> poor shmuck >>> is killed when his Iris Blue MGB roadster rolls over after its brake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as arundell at ghs.com.au > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 17:10:03 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:10:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] More MGBs on TV References: Message-ID: <2886E95042CB41D598356D3D31D372A4@Larry> I doubt that it's a matter of money to rent a car, Max. Let's face it, you can find any number of people who would love to have their car in a TV ad just for the bragging rights. If they do need to pay to rent one, it would be a very, very small part of a budget for a professionally done commercial. Check out the price for one of those and you will see what I mean. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [Mgs] More MGBs on TV There is a commercial for a casino playing locally that shows the fun-loving couple rolling up to the door in their white RBB. It appears 2 or 3 times in the spot. It struck me as an unusual choice, in that it is not particularly glamorous (at least, not in white, which accentuates the bulbous protruberances), nor very "vintage"-looking, and that contemporary convertible sports cars are no longer difficult to find -- they could take their pick of Miata, Z4, S2000, MR2, Solstice, etc. It was probably available cheap . -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From xyzabcde at earthlink.net Wed May 27 18:57:09 2009 From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Huh? References: Message-ID: <140c01c9df2f$3be7e540$6c4e9904@S0028025559> After I said: >> Et tu, Ed? ;-) >> >> More recently, Larry Daniels said: >> "Congratulations to Helio Castroneves and Jensen Button." >> >> Does this mean that Helio Castroneves does more than >> dance? David Breneman said: > I hope I'm not alone here in asking: > > Huh? For 'et tu' see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,_Brute%3F. It was a comment on the fact that many people were pointing out to me, one by one, that driving with headphones (not sure about ear buds) is illegal when I thought I'd made it clear that I know that. Ed just happens to be the only one of you I've met, hence his relative likeness to Brutus. Helio Castroneves won the coveted mirror ball trophy on 'Dancing with the Stars', a television show on American TV. For those of us who don't follow racing, that's all he's known for. Now you know everything. Say good night, Gracie. Denise Thorpe From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed May 27 20:07:54 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Huh? Message-ID: <333465.50700.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Denise Thorpe wrote: > For 'et tu' see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,_Brute%3F. I knew that quote, but couldn't figure out the context here, but this is the thing that really threw me for a loop: > Helio Castroneves won the coveted mirror ball trophy > on 'Dancing with the Stars', a television show on American > TV. For those of us who don't follow racing, that's > all he's known for. I've got to say I didn't know him from either, but except for taking several months of ballroom dancing lessons in a fruitless attempt to save my marriage, I know even less about that than racing. Although I must admit that those few hours on the dance floor were the only time I could "lead" my wife in anything. :-) From kgrowler at aol.com Thu May 28 05:26:50 2009 From: kgrowler at aol.com (kgrowler at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:26:50 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] UML Message-ID: <8CBAD9E5427662B-13B8-343@WEBMAIL-DZ03.sysops.aol.com> Sorry if this already got posted, I'm on the Digest. >From the University Motors website: END of the ROAD University Motors will cease fulltime business on Wednesday, July 1 st , 2009 , after 34+ years of service to the MG community. When our Governess promised in her 2006 State of the State Address that "In five years, you're going to be blown away by the strength and diversity of Michigan 's transformed economy," little did we imagine that it would be our own business that would be demolished in the ensuing economic storm. We have ceased taking appointments and will use the month of June to complete the work in the shop. We will continue to receive bench work. In late October we will have an auction of parts, tools, and MG memorabilia. Books, DVDs, and technical publications will be forthcoming. All good things must come to an end. It's been a simply wonderful run! Hard to believe the toll this economy has taken. KimTonry Downers Grove, Illinois, USA From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Thu May 28 05:39:35 2009 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] UML In-Reply-To: <8CBAD9E5427662B-13B8-343@WEBMAIL-DZ03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBAD9E5427662B-13B8-343@WEBMAIL-DZ03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <283339.1082.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh my gosh, what a shock! What's John Twist going to do?? Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: "kgrowler at aol.com" To: mgs at autox.team.net; spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:26:50 AM Subject: [Mgs] UML Sorry if this already got posted, I'm on the Digest. >From the University Motors website: END of the ROAD University Motors will cease fulltime business on Wednesday, July 1 st , 2009 , after 34+ years of service to the MG community. When our Governess promised in her 2006 State of the State Address that "In five years, you're going to be blown away by the strength and diversity of Michigan 's transformed economy," little did we imagine that it would be our own business that would be demolished in the ensuing economic storm. We have ceased taking appointments and will use the month of June to complete the work in the shop. We will continue to receive bench work. In late October we will have an auction of parts, tools, and MG memorabilia. Books, DVDs, and technical publications will be forthcoming. All good things must come to an end. It's been a simply wonderful run! Hard to believe the toll this economy has taken. KimTonry Downers Grove, Illinois, USA You are subscribed as d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu May 28 06:58:56 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 05:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] UML Message-ID: <485168.53860.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> but i was counting on taking a "course." say it ain't so!!!! --- On Thu, 5/28/09, kgrowler at aol.com wrote: From: kgrowler at aol.com Subject: [Mgs] UML To: mgs at autox.team.net, spridgets at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 6:26 AM Sorry if this already got posted, I'm on the Digest. >From the University Motors website: END of the ROAD University Motors will cease fulltime business on Wednesday, July 1 st , 2009 , after 34+ years of service to the MG community. When our Governess promised in her 2006 State of the State Address that "In five years, you're going to be blown away by the strength and diversity of Michigan 's transformed economy," little did we imagine that it would be our own business that would be demolished in the ensuing economic storm. We have ceased taking appointments and will use the month of June to complete the work in the shop. We will continue to receive bench work. In late October we will have an auction of parts, tools, and MG memorabilia. Books, DVDs, and technical publications will be forthcoming. All good things must come to an end. It's been a simply wonderful run! From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Thu May 28 07:14:58 2009 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] UML In-Reply-To: <485168.53860.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <485168.53860.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76664a460905280614m384b348di5610348813dedd@mail.gmail.com> I sent John a personal note of thanks for his dedication to our hobby. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM, oliver wrote: > but i was counting on taking a "course." > > say it ain't so!!!! > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, kgrowler at aol.com wrote: > > > From: kgrowler at aol.com > Subject: [Mgs] UML > To: mgs at autox.team.net, spridgets at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 6:26 AM > > > Sorry if this already got posted, I'm on the Digest. > > > > >From the University Motors website: > > > > > > END of the ROAD > > University Motors will cease fulltime business on Wednesday, July 1 st , 2009 > , after 34+ years of service to the MG community. When our Governess promised > in her 2006 State of the State Address that "In five years, you're going to be > blown away by the strength and diversity of Michigan 's transformed economy," > little did we imagine that it would be our own business that would be > demolished in the ensuing economic storm. > > We have ceased taking appointments and will use the month of June to complete > the work in the shop. We will continue to receive bench work. In late October > we will have an auction of parts, tools, and MG memorabilia. Books, DVDs, and > technical publications will be forthcoming. > > All good things must come to an end. It's been a simply wonderful run! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu May 28 07:34:33 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy: Drive Fast Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg&feature=email From rocknatural at gmail.com Thu May 28 12:08:16 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy: Drive Fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1ED310.9000405@gmail.com> Larry Daniels wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg&feature=email Hilarious! Suspicions Confirmed! -The Roxter -- From ptrmgb at gmail.com Thu May 28 13:02:04 2009 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy: Drive Fast In-Reply-To: <4A1ED310.9000405@gmail.com> References: <4A1ED310.9000405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F9D0B69-980F-466D-98C0-427F7834BD2F@gmail.com> I was thinking that if I could get a coach like him, I could probably succeed in NASCAR. :-) On May 28, 2009, at 1:08 PM, The Roxter wrote: > Larry Daniels wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg&feature=email > Hilarious! Suspicions Confirmed! > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From arundell at ghs.com.au Thu May 28 17:00:58 2009 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:00:58 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up Message-ID: <3EB4BBEA-92ED-4CE6-A9E3-0265D8EA03B9@ghs.com.au> OK you guys... Fess up! Which one of you was seen on the US Police Video Show being hauled, drunk and naked out of a gold Rubber Bumper MGB by the Highway Patrol? The B looked like it was one of the gold Anniversary models, and looked in good condition. Certainly it was in better condition than the driver!! :) Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu May 28 17:06:17 2009 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up References: <3EB4BBEA-92ED-4CE6-A9E3-0265D8EA03B9@ghs.com.au> Message-ID: <29020FEA957648349174F69D17C54BE4@Larry> Couldn't have been me... mine is a black LE. Plus I never drive while drunk and naked at the same time. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Arundell" To: "MG List" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up OK you guys... Fess up! Which one of you was seen on the US Police Video Show being hauled, drunk and naked out of a gold Rubber Bumper MGB by the Highway Patrol? The B looked like it was one of the gold Anniversary models, and looked in good condition. Certainly it was in better condition than the driver!! :) Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From shop at justbrits.com Thu May 28 19:17:35 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up In-Reply-To: <29020FEA957648349174F69D17C54BE4@Larry> Message-ID: <<...naked at the same time.>> And Cheeseheads do it ALL the time !!!! Just AMAZING (& in LAD's case, down right UGLY!!) !?!?!?!? Anon From david_breneman at yahoo.com Thu May 28 21:27:55 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up Message-ID: <817901.59647.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Murray Arundell wrote: > OK you guys... Fess up! Which > one of you was seen on the US Police Video Show being > hauled, drunk and naked out of a gold Rubber Bumper MGB by > the Highway Patrol? I drove my MGB naked once, in 1978. As far as I know, no video exists. Too bad; I made a hell of a lot better nudist when I was 19 than I do when I'm 50. ;-) From rmort at bezeqint.net Fri May 29 01:19:17 2009 From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:19:17 +0300 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up References: <817901.59647.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c9e02e$c93a5310$85c11bac@BIGMORT> Well, it can get hot in the cockpit . . . anybody got a download / youtube link? ___________________________________________________ > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Murray Arundell wrote: > > > OK you guys... Fess up! Which > > one of you was seen on the US Police Video Show being > > hauled, drunk and naked out of a gold Rubber Bumper MGB by > > the Highway Patrol? > > I drove my MGB naked once, in 1978. As far as I know, > no video exists. Too bad; I made a hell of a lot better > nudist when I was 19 than I do when I'm 50. ;-) > _______________________________________________ From g.schnittke at comcast.net Fri May 29 13:47:49 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up Message-ID: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> I've never driven TOTALLY naked before, although I did rappel about ninety feet inside a theater naked once. It's actually more comfortable than you'd think. Maybe I shouldn't have admitted that. My car is red. Glenn > Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up > To: MG List > Message-ID: <3EB4BBEA-92ED-4CE6-A9E3-0265D8EA03B9 at ghs.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > OK you guys... Fess up! Which one of you was seen on the US Police > Video Show being hauled, drunk and naked out of a gold Rubber Bumper > MGB by the Highway Patrol? The B looked like it was one of the gold > Anniversary models, and looked in good condition. Certainly it was in > better condition than the driver!! :) > > Murray Arundell > Brisbane Australia From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Fri May 29 13:51:50 2009 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit Message-ID: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> Time for the BGT to get rear shocks. Having done it on the C, I know how simple the kit is. Two brackets, some bolts, and two inexpensive tube shocks. Unfortunately, while the cost is less than two rebuilt shocks($160 + Shipipng), it hurts to have to shell out $135.00 for a kit. I've gotten great leads for stuff on this list, and hope someone will come through on this. Anyone know of a less expensive source, even one without the shocks? Thanks in advance, Jack From awhitema at panix.com Fri May 29 13:55:04 2009 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up In-Reply-To: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> References: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 May 2009, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > I've never driven TOTALLY naked before, although I did rappel about ninety > feet inside a theater naked once. It's actually more comfortable than you'd > think. Maybe I shouldn't have admitted that. My car is red. I too, have never driven naked. It seems unwise, with the vinyl seats. That said, I have worn a kilt. Let me just say that kilts and MGs in summer don't mix particularly well. Especially at 70mph. I have a red, or maybe it's now green '75 MG with no special celebration associated with it, so it's not me! -- Aaron Whiteman Pullman, Washington From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu Fri May 29 14:09:41 2009 From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:09:41 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up In-Reply-To: References: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090529160941.gbxy0xsnr44og8ck@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu> Guess I have to add my story, too, to this nonsense thread. Years ago, many years ago, my SO and were driving through Oregon after having gone from Boston to Montreal to British Columbia up the ALcan Highway for awhile and back through Washington - Oregon-Chicago-Cleveland to return to Boston. Oregon was clothing optional. Last time my SO and I were topless in public...lotta fun in a Mustang, top down, too. But then, it was a different time. Bill Quoting Aaron Whiteman : > On Fri, 29 May 2009, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > >> I've never driven TOTALLY naked before, although I did rappel about >> ninety feet inside a theater naked once. It's actually more >> comfortable than you'd think. Maybe I shouldn't have admitted that. >> My car is red. > > I too, have never driven naked. It seems unwise, with the vinyl > seats. That said, I have worn a kilt. Let me just say that kilts and > MGs in summer don't mix particularly well. Especially at 70mph. > > I have a red, or maybe it's now green '75 MG with no special > celebration associated with it, so it's not me! > > -- > Aaron Whiteman > Pullman, Washington From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com Fri May 29 14:23:16 2009 From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:23:16 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit In-Reply-To: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38B8F0DA-6D02-4388-832F-E8DC6692E4FB@tampabay.rr.com> Jack, Just be sure the bottom shock bolts don't interfere with your exhaust pipe. Dave Houser On May 29, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Jack Feldman wrote: > Time for the BGT to get rear shocks. Having done it on the C, I know > how > simple the kit is. Two brackets, some bolts, and two inexpensive tube > shocks. Unfortunately, while the cost is less than two rebuilt > shocks($160 > + Shipipng), it hurts to have to shell out $135.00 for a kit. > > I've gotten great leads for stuff on this list, and hope someone > will come > through on this. Anyone know of a less expensive source, even one > without > the shocks? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jack From rocknatural at gmail.com Fri May 29 15:25:42 2009 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:25:42 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fess Up In-Reply-To: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> References: <4A203BE5.7050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A2052D6.6010105@gmail.com> Glenn Schnittke wrote: > I've never driven TOTALLY naked before, although I did rappel about > ninety feet inside a theater naked once. It's actually more > comfortable than you'd think. Maybe I shouldn't have admitted that. My > car is red. I have lived in naked hippie communes and such; I think it tends to promote sanity by taking the thrill our of it. I never drove a car naked, but I have been told that Elvis and Jerry Lee used to ride Harleys naked late at night. -The Roxter -- From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 29 15:52:44 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 16:52:44 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) Message-ID: Plaxo says Lister: "Hans Duinhoven's birthday is tomorrow (May 30)" Early Happy Birthday, Hans !!!!!! From mgb72 at airmail.net Fri May 29 16:00:56 2009 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit In-Reply-To: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c9e0a8$f8784950$e968dbf0$@net> I just removed the original shocks, welded a headless bolt (cut the head off) in the center of a thick piece of bar stock bolted that to the car. Put the shock on the protruding stud, tightened the nut. Then attached the bottom of the shock with a bolt in the original hole where the old shock was (you have to flip the leaf spring plates over to create more length for the bottom mount) The shocks I found were the shortest compressed length I could find they are 1987 Corvette rear shocks. They are 13.98 inches extended and 9.37 inches compressed. Gabriel Pro Ryder Part no. 73671. Hope this helps Chad Cooper -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Feldman Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:52 PM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit Time for the BGT to get rear shocks. Having done it on the C, I know how simple the kit is. Two brackets, some bolts, and two inexpensive tube shocks. Unfortunately, while the cost is less than two rebuilt shocks($160 + Shipipng), it hurts to have to shell out $135.00 for a kit. I've gotten great leads for stuff on this list, and hope someone will come through on this. Anyone know of a less expensive source, even one without the shocks? Thanks in advance, Jack From deano at cox.net Fri May 29 17:07:00 2009 From: deano at cox.net (Deano) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] vacuum switch Message-ID: Anyone know where I could get a vacuum switch for the D type overdrive transmission? Thanks From eric at erickson.on.net Fri May 29 19:36:59 2009 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:06:59 +0930 Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A208DBB.9050506@erickson.on.net> Ed's Shop wrote: > Plaxo says Lister: > > "Hans Duinhoven's birthday is tomorrow (May 30)" > > Early Happy Birthday, Hans !!!!!! > _______________________________________________ Happy Birthday, Hans! From eugeneb at nni.com Fri May 29 19:55:00 2009 From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4A208DBB.9050506@erickson.on.net> Message-ID: Happy Birthday Hans! Gene Balinski 80 B On Sat, 30 May 2009 11:06:59 +0930 Eric Erickson wrote: > Ed's Shop wrote: > > Plaxo says Lister: > > > > "Hans Duinhoven's birthday is tomorrow (May 30)" > > > > Early Happy Birthday, Hans !!!!!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 29 20:40:33 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:40:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit In-Reply-To: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> er Jack, RM8178 = $70.00 and shipping to IL from WI can't be a lot. Life Time Warrantee !!! K.I.S.S. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat May 30 09:15:36 2009 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit References: <48720d20905291251s3bd1e9d7hec1c351109c2f40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B4CF83E6C814A298B70C474670D3CFE@Three> 'Conversation' is right, they are often better talked about than fitted ... ----- Original Message ----- Time for the BGT to get rear shocks. Having done it on the C, I know how simple the kit is. Two brackets, some bolts, and two inexpensive tube shocks. From shop at justbrits.com Sat May 30 17:59:54 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Rear Shock Conversation Kit In-Reply-To: <3B4CF83E6C814A298B70C474670D3CFE@Three> Message-ID: <<'Conversation' is right, they are often better talked about than fitted ...>> ABSOLUTLY Paul, and CORRECT !!!! LOL !!!! Ed From g.schnittke at comcast.net Sat May 30 18:10:46 2009 From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:10:46 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Who'da thunk it was so easy!!! Message-ID: <4A21CB06.6050004@comcast.net> I know it's not British, but .... Beautiful animation from the 1939 (I think) World's Fair. It brings to mind the recent Honda ad that had all the car parts set up in a Rube Goldberg device, as well as the Bimmer ad showing the engine internals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlurdOFTvH8 Glenn From david_breneman at yahoo.com Sun May 31 08:34:57 2009 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mgs] Prominent Placement in Wall Street Journal Message-ID: <555583.91144.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did anybody else notice the MGA on the cover of this weekend's Wall Street Journal? It's a teaser for an article by PJ O'Rourke. I haven't read the article yet (I will when I drive the MG to a local restaurant for breakfast in a few minutes) but most stuff O'Rourke writes is good. David Breneman david_breneman at yahoo.com From qualitas.jack at gmail.com Sun May 31 18:35:13 2009 From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] In defense of rear shock kits Message-ID: <48720d20905311735p461718d5ma30f5c24a8624304@mail.gmail.com> Folks, When I first got my C, it wallowed in the corners like a drunken sailor. The first time I tried a sharp corner I though I was going to roll. Since it was released wiser heads of mine have overcome the initial objections.. I added Spax all round, and an uprated front roll bar. Tamed the beast, and turned it into an excellent road car for long trips. Why not replace a shock that was developed years ago, and take advantage of years of shock development? I have made many changes to my BGT to modernize it, and will replace any part that has failed with a more modern one if it is available. Jack 69 MGC 72 MGBGT 60 Healey 3000 BT7 From awhitema at panix.com Sun May 31 23:31:04 2009 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:31:04 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] In defense of rear shock kits In-Reply-To: <48720d20905311735p461718d5ma30f5c24a8624304@mail.gmail.com> References: <48720d20905311735p461718d5ma30f5c24a8624304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1552BAB6-16A4-4AA4-9B66-0E022F8E5AC1@panix.com> On May 31, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Jack Feldman wrote: > When I first got my C, it wallowed in the corners like a drunken > sailor. The > first time I tried a sharp corner I though I was going to roll. > Since it was > released wiser heads of mine have overcome the initial objections.. > I added > Spax all round, and an uprated front roll bar. Tamed the beast, and > turned > it into an excellent road car for long trips. Invalid comparison. New cheap gas struts will beat old worn expensive Armstrongs. But would they be better than new Armstrongs? > Why not replace a shock that was developed years ago, and take > advantage of > years of shock development? I have made many changes to my BGT to > modernize > it, and will replace any part that has failed with a more modern > one if it > is available. Because it's a bodge. Why bother replacing a very well (IMHO) designed component of the suspension with something that is designed more or less with "get it to fit" as the primary constraint? New or rebuilt lever shocks should give you the same or better performance as new gas struts, and if WWAP's warranty is to be believed, the rebuilt Levers will last longer than a pair of Monroes too. Newer isn't always better. Sometimes it's just cheaper.