From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  1 12:35:04 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:35:04 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Tire question
In-Reply-To: <a06230901c5cee238cca7@[72.225.46.252]>
Message-ID: <C5D02368.1EAD6%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks.

BTW, fired the B up yesterday (after the head & cam transplant) and we seem
to be back in business. Hence the sudden need for tires...

Huzzah!

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 2/28/09 4:46 AM, Paul Osborne at paul at ece.rochester.edu wrote:

> Max, use the same tubes they will be fine.  I have the same size in
> my GT with wire wheels and all is well.
> paul

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 07:10:51 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:10:51 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
Message-ID: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>

I have a friend who's about to build a garage and wants opinions as to  
what to put in it. I immediately thought of the 5 MG
garage. With the two lifts.

I can't find my links to it. Anybody have that? I want to say the  
owner is a Steve, but I'm probably making that up. I do
remember he's young (younger than me), thirties I think.

Thanks,
Paul.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 07:31:18 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:31:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>
References: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <700535.70588.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Steve Simmons. http://www.mgnuts.com/

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





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Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage

I have a friend who's about to build a garage and wants opinions as to what to put in it. I immediately thought of the 5 MG
garage. With the two lifts.

I can't find my links to it. Anybody have that? I want to say the owner is a Steve, but I'm probably making that up. I do
remember he's young (younger than me), thirties I think.

Thanks,
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 07:35:48 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:35:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
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Thanks Dan!

I figured you'd reply if Steve (hey I got that right!) didn't.

Paul.

On Mar 2, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote:

> Steve Simmons. http://www.mgnuts.com/
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer
> '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
> NAMGBR #5-2328
> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
> http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
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> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
> http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
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> From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 9:10:51 AM
> Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
>
> I have a friend who's about to build a garage and wants opinions as  
> to what to put in it. I immediately thought of the 5 MG
> garage. With the two lifts.
>
> I can't find my links to it. Anybody have that? I want to say the  
> owner is a Steve, but I'm probably making that up. I do
> remember he's young (younger than me), thirties I think.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul.
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  2 08:13:44 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:13:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pertronix
Message-ID: <002201c99b49$adaca320$6f03a8c0@ranteer.local>

i just scanned in the installation and trouble shooting pages that came with
my pertronix for a list member.  if anyone else would like a copy please
contact me offline and i'll forward you a copy as well.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  2 08:26:36 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:26:36 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Crane Cans is closed, gone
References: <20090225205109.D0A3618786C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <96F0438F83D24F30A549FE8ABBC1B48D@Larry>

It appears as though Crane will be re-opening.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090227/CARNEWS/902279984


Larry Daniels

P.S. I am going to buy up all of their 342-0010 in case they go down for 
good later! ;-)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barney Gaylord" <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <british-cars at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Crane Cans is closed, gone


Crane Cans has closed up shop and laid of the work force.  If you
want a new Crane cam any time soon you should buy one now from anyone
who has one in stock or might still be able to get one from a warehouse.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/25/report-crane-cams-shuttered

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/breakingnews/crane022409.htm
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon Mar  2 08:46:29 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:46:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pertronix
In-Reply-To: <002201c99b49$adaca320$6f03a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <002201c99b49$adaca320$6f03a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <20090302154646.72AAF18766A@autox.team.net>

At 09:13 AM 3/2/2009 -0600, oliver wrote:
>i just scanned in the installation and trouble shooting pages that 
>came with my pertronix for a list member.  if anyone else would like 
>a copy please contact me offline and i'll forward you a copy as well.

Is it positive or negative earth?  The wiring is very odd for the 
positive earth setup.  It looks like they only changed the wire 
colors on the module and wired things backward with teh +coil 
terminal grounded to the chasis.  I have both sets of instructions on 
line here:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig205.htm
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/pdf/ignitor12vneg.pdf
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/pdf/ignitor12vpos.pdf

Barney

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar  2 14:23:14 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:23:14 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] D&D radiator
Message-ID: <E1LeFbd-0002Dp-6U@delta.look.ca>

I replaced my D&D four core brass radiator with my self-designed 
Howes Racing one.  Is anyone interested in acquiring the D&D rad?

Incidentally, I now fear that my engine runs too cool !!!

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  2 14:37:48 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:37:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mgs] FYI - 1972 MG Midget for Sale - SoCal area
Message-ID: <30613100.1236029869125.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

FYI,

Best,

Rick

****************************************************
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: "Bickel, Kriss E CIV NITC, IT43" <kriss.bickel at navy.mil>
Sent: Mar 2, 2009 3:08 PM
 1972 MG Midget for Sale

I have an 1972 MG Midget Project Car for Sale. The body is in excellent
condition. Engine is serviceable (88,000 miles) but hasn't been run in two
years. Photos available upon request. The car is located in West Hills, CA.

From dkeeble at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 16:17:02 2009
From: dkeeble at verizon.net (DonnaandDougKeeble)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:17:02 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pertronix
References: <002201c99b49$adaca320$6f03a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <49AC68EE.2070409@verizon.net>

HI oliver ,
  What was the solution to your clutch  cylinder problem?
                                         Doug

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar  3 04:28:49 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:28:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] D&D radiator
References: <E1LeFbd-0002Dp-6U@delta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <FB8AEBF076E54F1293E73A5E1775DDE0@Three>

Shouldn't with the correct thermostat.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----

  Incidentally, I now fear that my engine runs too cool !!!

From alan.costich at pictometry.com  Tue Mar  3 07:31:36 2009
From: alan.costich at pictometry.com (Alan Costich)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:31:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D24EAD@angel.pictometry.com>

Somewhere in the distant past I remember reading of setting the jet
level in SU's
using a dial caliper.
I don't remember how far down the jet should be set.
Anyone?

Thanks.

Alan
MG BGT #68

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar  3 08:11:49 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:11:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D24EAD@angel.pictometry.com>
Message-ID: <254953D7886E46A1B2F36E7EE52E4200@Three>

You don't need a dial caliper, it is only a starting position, you fine tune
dynamically with the engine running.

Screw the jet up until it is flush with the bridge (note NOT as far up as it
will go) then screw down two full turns of the adjusting nut or screw.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Somewhere in the distant past I remember reading of setting the jet
  level in SU's
  using a dial caliper.
  I don't remember how far down the jet should be set.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 08:16:33 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:16:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <254953D7886E46A1B2F36E7EE52E4200@Three>
Message-ID: <87621.4774.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Correct.  For me, this has always had a more important impact than an absolute setting.  It establishes an EQUAL charge mixture between the carbs.  From that point forward, the jet heights should be adjusted by equal amounts until the correct summed charge mixture is achieved.  ...but you guys know that. :-)

rick


--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
> To: "Alan Costich" <alan.costich at pictometry.com>, mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:11 AM
> You don't need a dial caliper, it is only a starting
> position, you fine tune
> dynamically with the engine running.
> 
> Screw the jet up until it is flush with the bridge (note
> NOT as far up as it
> will go) then screw down two full turns of the adjusting
> nut or screw.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   Somewhere in the distant past I remember reading of
> setting the jet
>   level in SU's
>   using a dial caliper.
>   I don't remember how far down the jet should be set.
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar  3 08:47:56 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:47:56 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <87621.4774.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3DC13098676544BBB5D9B58E9ACE4BDA@Three>

Hmmm, I wouldn't say that.

>From the initial setting you adjust each carb separately until you get the
required highest idle speed or desired response from the lifting pin.  After
adjusting the 2nd carb the 1st will almost certainly require a further small
tweak to get it back to where it should be, and then the 2nd carb should be
checked again and so on.  Only a couple of iterations should be required.
This is because the balance pipe on the 4-cylinder engine means that the front
cylinders draw some mixture from the rear carb and vice-versa, so the carbs
are *interdependent* (not independent).  All this is after adjusting the idle
screws to get the correct air-flow balance, interconnecting shaft clamps
loosened.  Then you do the same with the choke.

It is *after* you have finished setting up that any future carb adjustments
must be made by the same amount in the same direction, otherwise you destroy
the balance and have to do the setting-up from scratch again.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  ...  From that point forward, the jet heights should be adjusted by equal
amounts until the correct summed charge mixture is achieved.

From alan.costich at pictometry.com  Tue Mar  3 09:21:10 2009
From: alan.costich at pictometry.com (Alan Costich)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:21:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53495@angel.pictometry.com>

Thanks, guys.

I knew that about starting level with the bridge and screwing down two
turns.

But, of course, that didn't answer the question of using a dial caliper.

The answer came from Des Hammil's book on tuning SU carbs:




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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 09:30:20 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:30:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
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Also tells you the thread pitch on the adjusting nuts - assuming the two methods are in agreement...

--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Alan Costich <alan.costich at pictometry.com> wrote:

From: Alan Costich <alan.costich at pictometry.com>
Subject: RE: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>, mgs at autox.team.net, "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:21 AM




Thanks, guys. 
I knew that about starting level with the bridge and screwing down two turns.
But, of course, that didn't answer the question of using a dial caliper.
The answer came from Des Hammil's book on tuning SU carbs:
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From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Mar  3 11:55:10 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <20090303.135511.3676.20.MGBOB@juno.com>

  Tell us how & why of the dial caliper.  To those of us who are
unfamiliar with the technique, it sounds like an extra step.
Bob


On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:21:10 -0500 "Alan Costich"
<alan.costich at pictometry.com> writes:
> Thanks, guys.
> 
> I knew that about starting level with the bridge and screwing down 
> two
> turns.
> 
> But, of course, that didn't answer the question of using a dial 
> caliper.
> 
> The answer came from Des Hammil's book on tuning SU carbs:
> 
> 
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 12:03:05 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:03:05 EST
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <c1a.52d49921.36ded8e9@aol.com>

In my view it is a totally unnecessary step for the insecure.
 
Running the jet nuts out 12 flats on an H series or dropping the jet a  
couple of turns of the adjusting screw on an HS series will do exactly what it  is 
intended to do - get you into the right general richness region to start  
tuning.
 
Doing anything more accurate would be like sizing up the golf hole with a  
laser sight - interesting information perhaps, but ultimately of little  
significance in getting the ball in the hole.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:57:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mgbob at juno.com writes:

Tell us  how & why of the dial caliper.  To those of us who are
unfamiliar  with the technique, it sounds like an extra  step.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 12:11:12 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:11:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <20090303.135511.3676.20.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To me, it sounds like a really cool way to use a really fancy tool - especially for those who can't count to two! :-P

rick


--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
> To: alan.costich at pictometry.com
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:55 PM
> Tell us how & why of the dial caliper.  To those of us
> who are
> unfamiliar with the technique, it sounds like an extra
> step.
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:21:10 -0500 "Alan Costich"
> <alan.costich at pictometry.com> writes:
> > Thanks, guys.
> > 
> > I knew that about starting level with the bridge and
> screwing down 
> > two
> > turns.
> > 
> > But, of course, that didn't answer the question of
> using a dial 
> > caliper.
> > 
> > The answer came from Des Hammil's book on tuning
> SU carbs:
> > 
> > 
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From alan.costich at pictometry.com  Tue Mar  3 12:23:58 2009
From: alan.costich at pictometry.com (Alan Costich)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:23:58 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
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References: <20090303.135511.3676.20.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Rick,

>>>> especially for those who can't count to two!<<<<

Ouch!

If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:

"I have saved the following advice I got from Craig Chima several years ago.

(Craig holds several SCCA National Championships in numerous cars running SU
carbs - all of which he constructed and maintained personally.  Lately he4s
moved to vintage racing, both supporting his brother Derek4s very quick Midget
and preparing Loti and other very fast cars)

Fuel should be visible in the jet tube (remove the carb dashpot and piston and
turn on pumps to see where it settles.  We actually set the jet tube height
relative to the top of the bridge and NEVER subsequently touch the jet height
(i.e. don't mess with raising/lowering the jet with the screw at bottom of the
carb).  We've found that top of the jet should be between /.060 and .065 below
the top of the jet bridge.  Best atomization happens with this "jet drop."
With the jet higher than that, the fuel actually "mists" too much, and with
the jet lower than that, it actually "puddles" and doesn't atomize well
enough.  Once the jets are set relative to bridge height, the next step is to
set the fuel level in float bowls.  You should see the fuel about 1/8" to
3/16" below the top of the jet tube.  Any higher and it's likely spilling over
when the motor fires/vibrates.  Blow down in jet tube (with pumps running) to
see where the fuel level
settles."
-Manley Ford

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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 12:27:54 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:27:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53690@angel.pictometry.com>
Message-ID: <471998.69739.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just pokin' fun Alan.  Nothing more. :-)

rick


--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Alan Costich <alan.costich at pictometry.com> wrote:

> From: Alan Costich <alan.costich at pictometry.com>
> Subject: RE: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
> To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>, "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:23 PM
> Rick,
>
> >>>> especially for those who can't count
> to two!<<<<
>
> Ouch!
>
> If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:
>
> "I have saved the following advice I got from Craig
> Chima several years ago.
>
> (Craig holds several SCCA National Championships in
> numerous cars running SU carbs - all of which he constructed
> and maintained personally.  Lately he4s moved to vintage
> racing, both supporting his brother Derek4s very quick
> Midget and preparing Loti and other very fast cars)
>
> Fuel should be visible in the jet tube (remove the carb
> dashpot and piston and turn on pumps to see where it
> settles.  We actually set the jet tube height relative to
> the top of the bridge and NEVER subsequently touch the jet
> height (i.e. don't mess with raising/lowering the jet
> with the screw at bottom of the carb).  We've found that
> top of the jet should be between /.060 and .065 below the
> top of the jet bridge.  Best atomization happens with this
> "jet drop."   With the jet higher than that, the
> fuel actually "mists" too much, and with the jet
> lower than that, it actually "puddles" and
> doesn't atomize well enough.  Once the jets are set
> relative to bridge height, the next step is to set the fuel
> level in float bowls.  You should see the fuel about
> 1/8" to 3/16" below the top of the jet tube.  Any
> higher and it's likely spilling over when the motor
> fires/vibrates.  Blow down in jet tube (with pumps running)
> to see where the fuel level
> settles."
> -Manley Ford
>
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Mar  3 12:46:09 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:46:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53690@angel.pictometry. com>
References: <20090303.135511.3676.20.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53690@angel.pictometry.com>
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Just curious.  Does he (Craig Chima) ever get around to suggesting 
how to adjust the fuel mixture without moving the jet?


At 02:23 PM 3/3/2009 -0500, Alan Costich wrote:
>....
>If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:
>
>"I have saved the following advice I got from Craig Chima several years ago.
>....
>Fuel should be visible in the jet tube .... We actually set the jet 
>tube height relative to the top of the bridge and NEVER subsequently 
>touch the jet height .... We've found that top of the jet should be 
>between /.060 and .065 below the top of the jet bridge. .... Once 
>the jets are set relative to bridge height, the next step is to set 
>the fuel level in float bowls. ....
>-Manley Ford
>....

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 12:55:56 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:55:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

   I can't answer your question BUT I do know that the fuel level
in the jet is defined by the fuel level in the float bowl.  My
guess is that instead of equalizing the mixture by adjusting the
jets, he chooses to fix the jets and tune the float level.  The
advantage of that is that the profile of the needles will match.

Best regards,

rick


--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:

> From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
> To: "Alan Costich" <alan.costich at pictometry.com>, "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>, "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 1:46 PM
> Just curious.  Does he (Craig Chima) ever get around to
> suggesting how to adjust the fuel mixture without moving the
> jet?
> 
> 
> At 02:23 PM 3/3/2009 -0500, Alan Costich wrote:
> > ....
> > If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:
> > 
> > "I have saved the following advice I got from
> Craig Chima several years ago.
> > ....
> > Fuel should be visible in the jet tube .... We
> actually set the jet tube height relative to the top of the
> bridge and NEVER subsequently touch the jet height ....
> We've found that top of the jet should be between /.060
> and .065 below the top of the jet bridge. .... Once the jets
> are set relative to bridge height, the next step is to set
> the fuel level in float bowls. ....
> > -Manley Ford
> > ....

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Mar  3 13:33:29 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:33:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090303203351.D32DF187666@autox.team.net>

I don't thik so.  He is using a fixed height for the jet and a fixed 
height for the fuel level.  Nothing is said there about how the fuel 
mixture is actually adjusted.  I suppose this quote was taken out of 
context, so some information is missing.  For instance, for the 
racing engine there may have been some dynomoter testing time to 
select exactly the right needle to suite the application so the 
mixture is correct when the jet is at the specified fixed 
position.  I would like to know how he arived at the specified 
dimension for jet height.


At 11:55 AM 3/3/2009 -0800, Rick Lindsay wrote:
>    I can't answer your question BUT I do know that the fuel level 
> in the jet is defined by the fuel level in the float bowl.  My 
> guess is that instead of equalizing the mixture by adjusting the 
> jets, he chooses to fix the jets and tune the float level.  The 
> advantage of that is that the profile of the needles will match.
>....
>
>--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
> > ....
> > Just curious.  Does he (Craig Chima) ever get around to 
> suggesting how to adjust the fuel mixture without moving the jet?
> >
> >
> > At 02:23 PM 3/3/2009 -0500, Alan Costich wrote:
> > > ....
> > > If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:
> > >
> > > "I have saved the following advice I got from Craig Chima 
> several years ago.
> > > ....
> > > Fuel should be visible in the jet tube .... We actually set the 
> jet tube height relative to the top of the bridge and NEVER 
> subsequently touch the jet height .... We've found that top of the 
> jet should be between /.060 and .065 below the top of the jet 
> bridge. .... Once the jets are set relative to bridge height, the 
> next step is to set the fuel level in float bowls. ....
> > > -Manley Ford
> > > ....

From mg_garage at comcast.net  Tue Mar  3 17:24:00 2009
From: mg_garage at comcast.net (gordies garage)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:24:00 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <20090303.135511.3676.20.MGBOB@juno.com><522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com><448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53690@angel.pictometry.com>
	<20090303194631.1309B187666@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <06E56CFCDF274EF6AD112AAC902977BB@stargate>

Barney, 'et al

    Dave Smith (#49 MGA) had mentioned to me a few years ago about a method 
similar to Chimas.  I think the fuel mixture is "optimum" at the 
measurements described, theoretically anyway.

Gordie




> Just curious.  Does he (Craig Chima) ever get around to suggesting how to 
> adjust the fuel mixture without moving the jet?
>
>
> At 02:23 PM 3/3/2009 -0500, Alan Costich wrote:
>>....
>>If I may, the following is from Manley Ford:
>>
>>"I have saved the following advice I got from Craig Chima several years 
>>ago.
>>....
>>Fuel should be visible in the jet tube .... We actually set the jet tube 
>>height relative to the top of the bridge and NEVER subsequently touch the 
>>jet height .... We've found that top of the jet should be between /.060 
>>and .065 below the top of the jet bridge. .... Once the jets are set 
>>relative to bridge height, the next step is to set the fuel level in float 
>>bowls. ....
>>-Manley Ford
>>....
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From Wilkmanracing at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 18:34:46 2009
From: Wilkmanracing at aol.com (Wilkmanracing at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:34:46 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Brass Cylinder Head Water Outlet Elbow
Message-ID: <d28.42b5bf0a.36df34b6@aol.com>

Does anyone make a quality cylinder head water outlet elbow for an  MGA?  I'd 
like to find one made of brass or another quality material that  won't 
disintegrate over time.
 
Bill Wilkman
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar  4 02:04:16 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:04:16 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [SPAM] RE:  setting jets in su's
References: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C04D53495@angel.pictometry.com>
Message-ID: <A6CC0304B2A44CA2B07F5D2580F38AF5@Three>

If you already knew about the two turns down from the bridge you don't need
the dial caliper.  That needs you to remove the piston cover, remove the
spring, remove the piston and keep them and the screws safe from loss or
damage.  You then have to poke your dial caliper down the jet tube but keep it
clean and free from damage.  Then replace everything in its original
orientation, without damaging the needle.  If you do both carbs at the same
time it is essential you don't get the components mixed up.  Or you can lift
the piston slightly and turn the adjuster.  Your choice.  The whole point of
the 'two turns' thing is that it puts the jets in a position that will allow
the engine to start and run without all the fiddling about with a dial
caliper.  Two turns puts it a known distance down, same as the dial caliper
but without the fuss.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I knew that about starting level with the bridge and screwing down two
turns.

  But, of course, that didn't answer the question of using a dial caliper.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar  4 02:15:03 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:15:03 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7818BAD8EA674BB5BC8C0B89BC769666@Three>

True, but the setting for the float height is relatively crude compared to
tweaking the mixture nut or screw to move in and out of the correct mixture
point - anywhere within 1/16" compared to a fraction of a turn.  Mixture is
more a factor of the needle width where it meets the top of the jet than the
height of fuel in the jet, which is why there are many needle thicknesses and
profiles but just one jet, float, and float height.  The ideal mixture (and
needle profile) is determined by many factors of the intake, carbs, combustion
chamber and exhaust, which is why mixture *is* set dynamically with the
mixture adjusting nut and not by a static measurement, other than as a
starting point.  The corollary is that setting timing dynamically is far
preferable to setting it statically.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...
   the fuel level
  in the jet is defined by the fuel level in the float bowl.  My
  guess is that instead of equalizing the mixture by adjusting the
  jets, he chooses to fix the jets and tune the float level.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Mar  4 05:02:12 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:32:12 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
Message-ID: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>

Guys,

I tried posting this earlier but it seems not to have arrived at the 
list (apologies if you see another mail similar to this).

Sorry also for another OT mail - but consider it a continuation of my 
previous mail because it is directly related.

I urgently need the dimensions (height and width) of the external 
door/skin of a Lotus Elise.  I am assuming that there is more likely to 
be an Elise owner handy to the list than a Telsa owner, and I believe 
the doors would be similar dimensions.

I need to get some livery printed up for the Tesla when it arrives and 
by then it will be too late to measure up.

This doesn't have to be exact because the signage can fit well within 
the door size.

Anyone able to help?

By the way - the car (despite all the shortcomings already discussed 
here) is getting attention before it lands:

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/greenblog/index.php/couriermail/comments/this_is_no_golf_buggy/


:-)


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 05:38:20 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <304019.40461.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I was thinking perhaps your boss let you take it on the track and you put it into a barrier, Eric..... ;-)


 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:02:12 AM
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners

Guys,

I tried posting this earlier but it seems not to have arrived at the list (apologies if you see another mail similar to this).

Sorry also for another OT mail - but consider it a continuation of my previous mail because it is directly related.

I urgently need the dimensions (height and width) of the external door/skin of a Lotus Elise.  I am assuming that there is more likely to be an Elise owner handy to the list than a Telsa owner, and I believe the doors would be similar dimensions.

I need to get some livery printed up for the Tesla when it arrives and by then it will be too late to measure up.

This doesn't have to be exact because the signage can fit well within the door size.

Anyone able to help?

By the way - the car (despite all the shortcomings already discussed here) is getting attention before it lands:

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/greenblog/index.php/couriermail/comments/this_is_no_golf_buggy/


:-)


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Mar  4 05:56:53 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:26:53 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <304019.40461.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
	<304019.40461.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Dan DiBiase wrote:
> I was thinking perhaps your boss let you take it on the track and you 
> put it into a barrier, Eric..... ;-)
> 

I can assure you two things:

1.  I will be getting a drive of the thing
2.  I won't be putting it into any barriers, walls or even bouncing it 
over any kerbs!

The owner says he is itching to get it onto the race track to stretch 
its legs - so, without any "open practice" days coming up soon, he was 
just going to hire the track.  I told him he would be looking at $8000+ 
to hire the whole track for a day... he is thinking about it!  He will 
call the media and it becomes an advertising expense :-0

Oh yeah, and he says I can use the day to run my car around the track, 
too :-)  I could hardly knock back such a generous offer... but he is so 
anxious to do it I bet he pus on the event when I am away working on the 
F1GP in Melbourne... grrr

Now, anyone got a door they can measure up for me?



Eric
'68MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From allenhess at mgcarclub.com  Wed Mar  4 06:44:29 2009
From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
Message-ID: <32938149-88D4-4A52-B729-5C6C26849BB5@mgcarclub.com>

One thing that hasn't been clearly pointed out is that all the people  
referenced, including Alan, are racers. As such they may live by a  
different set of rules. ie: the mixture only needs to be right in the  
power band and street motors are just fine going by the book. As  
Barney said, this may have been derived from dyno testing and a long  
list of variables. (But I'm just guessing)

Allen

> Barney, 'et al
>
>     Dave Smith (#49 MGA) had mentioned to me a few years ago about  
> a method
> similar to Chimas.  I think the fuel mixture is "optimum" at the
> measurements described, theoretically anyway.
>
> Gordie

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 07:00:36 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:00:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <32938149-88D4-4A52-B729-5C6C26849BB5@mgcarclub.com>
Message-ID: <613812.51186.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fantastic observation Allen.  An engine is a dynamic thing.  Correct 'tune' applies to one engine speed at one load.  Everything else is a compromise.

rick


--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Allen Hess <allenhess at mgcarclub.com> wrote:

> From: Allen Hess <allenhess at mgcarclub.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:44 AM
> One thing that hasn't been clearly pointed out is that
> all the people referenced, including Alan, are racers. As
> such they may live by a different set of rules. ie: the
> mixture only needs to be right in the power band and street
> motors are just fine going by the book. As Barney said, this
> may have been derived from dyno testing and a long list of
> variables. (But I'm just guessing)
> 
> Allen
> 
> > Barney, 'et al
> > 
> >     Dave Smith (#49 MGA) had mentioned to me a few
> years ago about a method
> > similar to Chimas.  I think the fuel mixture is
> "optimum" at the
> > measurements described, theoretically anyway.
> > 
> > Gordie
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Mar  4 08:55:28 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:25:28 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <49AEA470.1090404@erickson.on.net>

Eric Erickson wrote:
>
> I urgently need the dimensions (height and width) of the external 
> door/skin of a Lotus Elise.  I am assuming that there is more likely to 
> be an Elise owner handy to the list than a Telsa owner, and I believe 
> the doors would be similar dimensions.
> 


Wow, the power of the Internet.  I got the following from the Tesla 
Forum I just found...

I have been given the following dimensions for the Tesla Roadster doors 
(and hood/bonnet).

Door height: 74 cm
Door width: 114 cm

Hood width (front): 74 cm
Hood width (rear): 108 cm
Hood length: 102 cm


Wow - such a quick response, too. (and so early in the morning over 
there :-)


Eric
'68MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 09:19:01 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <49AEA470.1090404@erickson.on.net>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
	<49AEA470.1090404@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <213594.93507.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Are there owners on that forum? Or just enthusiasts?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:55:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners

Eric Erickson wrote:
> 
> I urgently need the dimensions (height and width) of the external door/skin of a Lotus Elise.  I am assuming that there is more likely to be an Elise owner handy to the list than a Telsa owner, and I believe the doors would be similar dimensions.
> 


Wow, the power of the Internet.  I got the following from the Tesla Forum I just found...

I have been given the following dimensions for the Tesla Roadster doors (and hood/bonnet).

Door height: 74 cm
Door width: 114 cm

Hood width (front): 74 cm
Hood width (rear): 108 cm
Hood length: 102 cm


Wow - such a quick response, too. (and so early in the morning over there :-)


Eric
'68MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:26:33 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:26:33 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <49AE7A95.7070602@erickson.on.net>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
	<304019.40461.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<49AE7A95.7070602@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <49AEC7D9.8090107@gmail.com>

Eric Erickson wrote:
> Dan DiBiase wrote:
>> I was thinking perhaps your boss let you take it on the track and you 
>> put it into a barrier, Eric..... ;-)
>>
>
> I can assure you two things:
>
> 1.  I will be getting a drive of the thing
> 2.  I won't be putting it into any barriers, walls or even bouncing it 
> over any kerbs!
>
> The owner says he is itching to get it onto the race track to stretch 
> its legs - so, without any "open practice" days coming up soon, he was 
> just going to hire the track.  I told him he would be looking at 
> $8000+ to hire the whole track for a day... he is thinking about it!  
> He will call the media and it becomes an advertising expense :-0
>
> Oh yeah, and he says I can use the day to run my car around the track, 
> too :-)  I could hardly knock back such a generous offer... but he is 
> so anxious to do it I bet he puts on the event when I am away working 
> on the F1GP in Melbourne... grrr
>
> Now, anyone got a door they can measure up for me? 
Try jj at crydee.demon.co.uk

-The Roxter
--

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Mar  4 15:54:09 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:24:09 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] OT:  Calling Lotus Elise owners
In-Reply-To: <213594.93507.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <49AE6DC4.1050803@erickson.on.net>
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Dan DiBiase wrote:
> Are there owners on that forum? Or just enthusiasts?
>  
Mostly enthusiasts (I would assume).  The guy who posted those 
measurements for me has been a member of that forum since 2007 and he 
said he measured by holding a rule up and eyeballing the curved 
surface... which SUGGESTS he has a car available to him.

They certainly already knew about this car coming out to Australia.

But just so you know that this isn't ALL Off Topic... this whole thing 
means that I get a trailer for the MG and a sister car that will 
probably be used to highlight "the old and the new".  In keeping my 
modification and maintenance budget rolling along this cannot be a bad 
thing.





Eric
'68MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Wed Mar  4 20:30:02 2009
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <613812.51186.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <613812.51186.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49AF473A.3030106@snet.net>

I race my MGA but have yet to use Chima's technique.  I have, however, 
used a dial caliper to determine where the jets are after I tune in the 
conventional way.  It makes reassembly and set up much faster.  It will 
also tell me if something is mechanically out of whack, for example, 
great differences in the operating fuel level which in turn require 
different jet settings to balance.  Perhaps a more crude version of 
Chima's technique.

Rick Lindsay wrote:
> Fantastic observation Allen.  An engine is a dynamic thing.  Correct 'tune' applies to one engine speed at one load.  Everything else is a compromise.
>
> rick
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Allen Hess <allenhess at mgcarclub.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Allen Hess <allenhess at mgcarclub.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
>> To: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 7:44 AM
>> One thing that hasn't been clearly pointed out is that
>> all the people referenced, including Alan, are racers. As
>> such they may live by a different set of rules. ie: the
>> mixture only needs to be right in the power band and street
>> motors are just fine going by the book. As Barney said, this
>> may have been derived from dyno testing and a long list of
>> variables. (But I'm just guessing)
>>
>> Allen

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 20:43:41 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:43:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] OT Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-DAV4BF35F9EA40CFCA3418EFCCAB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-DAV4BF35F9EA40CFCA3418EFCCAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49AF4A6D.6010607@ktc.com>

Oh Boy!  Naw, I'm not gonna do it!  Er, well, maybe.....

I towed a non-overdrive MGB to all over new england from Texas and back 
with the driveshaft connected, AS THE MANUAL SAYS YOU MAY.  Everyone 
said I was lucky.  Riight.

   Now the same car has an overdrive tranny.  I'd disconnect the 
driveshaft if I towed it any large distance again.  Prolly won't happen; 
I no longer own the motorhome.

   CR


Michael W Jose wrote:
> Sorry to bomb the list, but I checked the archives and got conflicting
> answers:
>  
> If I'm towing my MG full of CATS, do I disconnect the driveshaft or not,
> and what's the best brake fluid to use, LMA or silicone?
>  
> Mike Jose
> 79 B slooooowly coming back to life

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 20:46:44 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <522277.3880.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49AF4B24.3010107@ktc.com>

Now Rick, play nice. -- CR

Rick Lindsay wrote:
> To me, it sounds like a really cool way to use a really fancy tool - especially for those who can't count to two! :-P
> 
> rick
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
>> To: alan.costich at pictometry.com
>> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
>> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:55 PM
>> Tell us how & why of the dial caliper.  To those of us
>> who are
>> unfamiliar with the technique, it sounds like an extra
>> step.
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:21:10 -0500 "Alan Costich"
>> <alan.costich at pictometry.com> writes:
>>> Thanks, guys.
>>>
>>> I knew that about starting level with the bridge and
>> screwing down 
>>> two
>>> turns.
>>>
>>> But, of course, that didn't answer the question of
>> using a dial 
>>> caliper.
>>>
>>> The answer came from Des Hammil's book on tuning
>> SU carbs:
>>>
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:01:52 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:01:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <7818BAD8EA674BB5BC8C0B89BC769666@Three>
References: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7818BAD8EA674BB5BC8C0B89BC769666@Three>
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Did you notice that he said that the fuel level in the jet should be 
such-and-such according to the float setting?  Too high and the fuel 
would "puddle," meaning overflow the jet.  Too low and it would run 
lean.  Sounds like he was going for a ballpark figure so the engine 
would start and run.

Shoot, we all know that when all is right, before tuning, the jet should 
be the two turns down from the bridge and the fuel level should be a 
fraction below the top of the jet, not overflowing.  Considering that 
everything else is right with the engine, we tune the carbs from there.

Last thing we do, Eh?

   CR

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:04:55 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:04:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Tire question
In-Reply-To: <C5D02368.1EAD6%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C5D02368.1EAD6%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49AF4F67.7000800@ktc.com>

Great news Max!  Don't wring it out before ya get the tires!  I run 
Coopers.  Give 'em a look.

   CR


Max Heim wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> BTW, fired the B up yesterday (after the head & cam transplant) and we seem
> to be back in business. Hence the sudden need for tires...
> 
> Huzzah!
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> on 2/28/09 4:46 AM, Paul Osborne at paul at ece.rochester.edu wrote:
> 
>> Max, use the same tubes they will be fine.  I have the same size in
>> my GT with wire wheels and all is well.
>> paul
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:07:24 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:07:24 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <49A7ECC2.3020303@erickson.on.net>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<200901171916.n0HJGQPo036047@ash25e.internode.on.net>
	<49727D8A.1020104@erickson.on.net> <49A7ECC2.3020303@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <49AF4FFC.4030605@ktc.com>

  I've been down with the flu for 2 weeks and don't know about this. 
What's up with this gasket?

   CR


Eric Erickson wrote:
> Eric Erickson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all - and for the offers "off list".
>>
> 
> My lovely Cometic MLS (Multi Layer Steel) head gasket has arrived in 
> Australia. 

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:21:50 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:21:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>
References: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49AF535E.9080705@ktc.com>

My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the 
DIY LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands 
dirty.  Cubic $$.

I have a two-car garage. Half of it is taken up by my model airplane 
hobby and my power tools -drill press, air compressor, etc. - and I've 
R&R'd power trains there.  I also yanked the Dodge 360 engine/tranny 
from my MH, on its parking slab.

The moral is that you can plan for the worst but when you invest enough 
$$ in auto mechanics - say tools -  you'll suit the location to the job.

So tell him to make it as big as he can and plan for it to be too small, 
eventually.

   CR







Paul Root wrote:
> I have a friend who's about to build a garage and wants opinions as to 
> what to put in it. I immediately thought of the 5 MG
> garage. With the two lifts.
> 
> Paul.

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:42:46 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:42:46 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
In-Reply-To: <49AF473A.3030106@snet.net>
References: <613812.51186.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49AF473A.3030106@snet.net>
Message-ID: <49AF5846.6080803@ktc.com>

I had a sneaking suspicion that what you relate was the case in the OP. 
    Gosh, when I was drag racing street Chevys, we tweaked the float 
heights, when the guys with the $$ swapped jets or even carbs.  Long 
ago...........


Jim Juhas wrote:
> I race my MGA but have yet to use Chima's technique.  I have, however, 
> used a dial caliper to determine where the jets are after I tune in the 
> conventional way.  It makes reassembly and set up much faster.  It will 
> also tell me if something is mechanically out of whack, for example, 
> great differences in the operating fuel level which in turn require 
> different jet settings to balance.  Perhaps a more crude version of 
> Chima's technique.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Mar  5 02:09:34 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:39:34 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <49AF4FFC.4030605@ktc.com>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<200901171916.n0HJGQPo036047@ash25e.internode.on.net>
	<49727D8A.1020104@erickson.on.net> <49A7ECC2.3020303@erickson.on.net>
	<49AF4FFC.4030605@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <49AF96CE.9070901@erickson.on.net>

Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>  I've been down with the flu for 2 weeks and don't know about this. 
> What's up with this gasket?
> 


I just bought one of these for my new, high-compression engine:

http://www.cambridgemotorsport.com/shop_image.cfm/image/608

I was quoted ridiculous shipping costs and was looking for assistance - 
but Cometic came to the fore and managed to walk it down to the local 
post office.  10 days and $US34 was acceptable (came securely packaged 
in a BIG box) for an item costing $US94.

An expemsive head-gasket that I am hoping will be just the thing this 
new, big nore, high-compression beast will need when it is being 
thrashed around a race track!



Eric
'68MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  5 01:44:13 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:44:13 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <931954.44518.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7818BAD8EA674BB5BC8C0B89BC769666@Three> <49AF4EB0.7090204@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <81CDB3BEA3D643B98A93CBE85FC58313@Three>

"Eh?" indeed!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles & Peggy Robinson
  To: Paul Hunt
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] setting jets in su's


  Did you notice that he said that the fuel level in the jet should be
  such-and-such according to the float setting?  Too high and the fuel
  would "puddle," meaning overflow the jet.  Too low and it would run
  lean.  Sounds like he was going for a ballpark figure so the engine
  would start and run.

  Shoot, we all know that when all is right, before tuning, the jet should
  be the two turns down from the bridge and the fuel level should be a
  fraction below the top of the jet, not overflowing.  Considering that
  everything else is right with the engine, we tune the carbs from there.

  Last thing we do, Eh?

     CR

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  5 01:57:04 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:57:04 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] setting jets in su's
References: <613812.51186.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49AF473A.3030106@snet.net>
Message-ID: <11D9289BF92A4061BFA3A440D5A430E6@Three>

The fine tuning tells you that, if you have to turn one more than the other
from the starting point then there could be a problem.  Still don't need a
dial caliper.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  It will
  also tell me if something is mechanically out of whack, for example,
  great differences in the operating fuel level which in turn require
  different jet settings to balance.

From strovato at optonline.net  Thu Mar  5 05:01:18 2009
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:01:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16070.1236244384.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.16070.1236244384.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <0KG100F77820M5G0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I think you chose the wrong guy for your example.  Unlike many 
celebrities, Jay Leno seems to have a real passion for cars, both 
driving them and working on them.  Go take a look at 
www.jaylenosgarage.com.  He shows an amazing level of knowledge and 
enthusiasm.  Could he just be a slick Hollywood guy faking all 
this?  I guess, but I don't know why he would bother.  Sure, the guy 
has boat-loads of cash.  But with or without money, I bet his hands 
get just as dirty.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net

At 04:13 AM 3/5/2009, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the
>DIY LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands
>dirty.  Cubic $$.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 05:23:47 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:23:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <0KG100F77820M5G0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <mailman.16070.1236244384.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<0KG100F77820M5G0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <107147.42158.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

He's not a poseur, at least as far as his love of cars. He's been a car nut for years, even before he got rich and famous. As far as getting
his hands dirty, don't know about that but I suspect he has. Of course, to maintain the fleet he has, he's got to have someone do stuff for
him.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Steven Trovato <strovato at optonline.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:01:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage

I think you chose the wrong guy for your example.  Unlike many celebrities, Jay Leno seems to have a real passion for cars, both driving them and working on them.  Go take a look at www.jaylenosgarage.com.  He shows an amazing level of knowledge and enthusiasm.  Could he just be a slick Hollywood guy faking all this?  I guess, but I don't know why he would bother.  Sure, the guy has boat-loads of cash.  But with or without money, I bet his hands get just as dirty.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net

At 04:13 AM 3/5/2009, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the
> DIY LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands
> dirty.  Cubic $$.
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 06:30:05 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <49AF535E.9080705@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <796314.90744.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My plan:   Five car garage, with attached urinal.
 
rick

--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:

From: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:21 PM

My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the DIY
LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands dirty.
Cubic $$.

I have a two-car garage. Half of it is taken up by my model airplane hobby
and
my power tools -drill press, air compressor, etc. - and I've R&R'd
power trains there.  I also yanked the Dodge 360 engine/tranny from my MH, on
its parking slab.

The moral is that you can plan for the worst but when you invest enough $$ in
auto mechanics - say tools -  you'll suit the location to the job.

So tell him to make it as big as he can and plan for it to be too small,
eventually.

  CR







Paul Root wrote:
> I have a friend who's about to build a garage and wants opinions as to
what to put in it. I immediately thought of the 5 MG
> garage. With the two lifts.
>
> Paul.
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From strovato at optonline.net  Thu Mar  5 06:29:18 2009
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <107147.42158.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.16070.1236244384.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<0KG100F77820M5G0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
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Oh, he definitely has employees.  His website lists at least a head 
mechanic, an engineer and a body man.  No one could manage that many 
cars alone, no matter how much of a car nut he is.

At 07:23 AM 3/5/2009, Dan DiBiase wrote:
>He's not a poseur, at least as far as his love of cars. He's been a 
>car nut for years, even before he got rich and famous. As far as getting
>his hands dirty, don't know about that but I suspect he has. Of 
>course, to maintain the fleet he has, he's got to have someone do stuff for
>him.

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 06:40:06 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:40:06 EST
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
Message-ID: <d23.38291060.36e13036@aol.com>

He employs a guy I used t race with as his manager - Bernard Juchli - and I  
believe has several staff to manage the restoration and maintenance. I'd do 
the  same thing if I had the means.  It is my understanding that he also turns a 
 wrench whenever the mood strikes him.
 
 
Bernard used to race on the west coats, notably with one of the fastest E  
types we have seen!
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 05/03/2009 5:30:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
strovato at optonline.net writes:

Oh, he  definitely has employees.  His website lists at least a head  
mechanic, an engineer and a body man.  No one could manage that many  
cars alone, no matter how much of a car nut he  is.

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  5 07:36:25 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:36:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
References: <796314.90744.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003201c99da0$49f15250$fd0210ac@ranteer.local>

5 is WWWAAAYYY too small.

i saw one garage that had 3 two car doors, and was two cars deep.  that's 
12.  plus he had two lifts.  14.  a good start.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>; "Charles & Peggy Robinson" 
<ccrobins at ktc.com>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage


> My plan:   Five car garage, with attached urinal.
>
> rick
>
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:
>
> From: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
> To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
> Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:21 PM
>
> My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the 
> DIY
> LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands 
> dirty.
> Cubic $$.
>
> I have a two-car garage. Half of it is taken up by my model airplane hobby
> and
> my power tools -drill press, air compressor, etc. - and I've R&R'd
> power trains there.  I also yanked the Dodge 360 engine/tranny from my MH, 
> on
> its parking slab.
>
> The moral is that you can plan for the worst but when you invest enough $$ 
> in
> auto mechanics - say tools -  you'll suit the location to the job.
>
> So tell him to make it as big as he can and plan for it to be too small,
> eventually.
>
>  CR

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  5 07:39:41 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:39:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
References: <mailman.16070.1236244384.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<0KG100F77820M5G0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <003301c99da0$4a9840b0$fd0210ac@ranteer.local>

Jay Leno has stated more than once that he is a car guy who just happens to 
also be an actor.  i believe he has equal disdain for the so-called car 
collectors who are ruining our hobby.  he also has a tr3 and shows up at 
triumph meets occasionally.  absolutely no airs; he tries to just be one of 
the (car) guys.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Trovato" <strovato at optonline.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage


>I think you chose the wrong guy for your example.  Unlike many celebrities, 
>Jay Leno seems to have a real passion for cars, both driving them and 
>working on them.  Go take a look at www.jaylenosgarage.com.  He shows an 
>amazing level of knowledge and enthusiasm.  Could he just be a slick 
>Hollywood guy faking all this?  I guess, but I don't know why he would 
>bother.  Sure, the guy has boat-loads of cash.  But with or without money, 
>I bet his hands get just as dirty.
>
> -Steve Trovato
> strovato at optonline.net
>
> At 04:13 AM 3/5/2009, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>My opinion is that there's no such thing as the Ultimate Garage for the
>>DIY LBC owner.  Jay Lenno has a great shop but I've never seen his hands
>>dirty.  Cubic $$. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  5 07:44:18 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:44:18 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
References: <796314.90744.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<003201c99da0$49f15250$fd0210ac@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <7E0EED007E8B4DB096CE89228DC0223D@Three>

OK, not MGs, but you get the idea

http://krod13.multiply.com/video/item/182/drive_way.wmv
  ----- Original Message -----
  5 is WWWAAAYYY too small.

From ronfineesq at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  5 10:17:19 2009
From: ronfineesq at earthlink.net (Ronald A. Fine)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
Message-ID: <17605354.1236273440104.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Leno also drives his cars.  He is a regular at local L.A. car gatherings and can be found almost any weekend at some car meet.  I expect to see him this weekend at our local car show in Woodley Park.  He has almost always shown up driving some interesting car.  He is totally approachable and clearly interested in the cars on display.

Ron

From PRNDL at sonic.net  Thu Mar  5 10:47:28 2009
From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:47:28 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <700535.70588.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <DBDB2849-BBAC-4542-96B5-FB68E57C01D4@gmail.com>
	<700535.70588.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D6632738-8CB6-4557-91AE-1B2914D6D0B9@sonic.net>

Some time back, I was in AutoBooks in Burbank CA on a Saturday  
morning. As I was browsing the MG and Jaguar books, I noticed that Jay  
Leno was standing next to me looking at the magazines and chatting  
with some of the regulars. The front door opened and a fellow stuck  
his head in and yelled to a friend inside "Holy crap, there's a  
McLaren SLR Merc parked out front." Leno chuckled and said "guess I'd  
better go out and pop the hood."  I've also been there on a weekend  
when he came by with one of his steam cars and was giving people rides  
up and down Magnolia Blvd. Anyone who can operate a steam car by  
themselves is a bona fide gearhead in my book. His website, Leno's  
Garage, is a hoot.

--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  5 11:03:18 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:03:18 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <17605354.1236273440104.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C5D553E6.1ED1A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

It's funny -- I subscribe to three car lists (one British, one American, and
one mixed/vintage), and Leno sightings have been mentioned on all 3. So he
does get around to the events...

The one time he walked up to a car I was looking at, I couldn't think of
anything to say...



on 3/5/09 9:17 AM, Ronald A. Fine at ronfineesq at earthlink.net wrote:

> Leno also drives his cars.  He is a regular at local L.A. car gatherings and
> can be found almost any weekend at some car meet.  I expect to see him this
> weekend at our local car show in Woodley Park.  He has almost always shown up
> driving some interesting car.  He is totally approachable and clearly
> interested in the cars on display.
> 
> Ron

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 11:48:27 2009
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:48:27 EST
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
Message-ID: <ca7.4062a700.36e1787b@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/5/2009 6:39:42 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
sumton at sbcglobal.net writes:
Jay Leno has stated more than  once that he is a car guy who just happens to 
also be an actor.  i believe  he has equal disdain for the so-called car 
collectors who are ruining our  hobby.  he also has a tr3 and shows up at triumph 
meets occasionally.   absolutely no airs; he tries to just be one of the (car) 
guys.  
Hi,
That red TR-3 is supposedly an exact replica of the TR-3 his older brother  
used to own many years ago. And it (the TR-3) was an incredible influence in 
his  love of cars. I have a couple of pictures of Jay Leno taken of him and the 
TR-3  at an LA meet that's called Great Looks/Great Books sponsored by the 
SCTOA  and TRSC
The event's in Burbank, CA and he must live close by, because he first  
showed up in an new Ariel "Atom" supposed to one of the fastest production  cars 
around, went home drove back in his TR-3...never a dull moment when he  (Jay 
Leno) shows up as he's glad to use his popularity to champion events he  believes 
in! 
Cheers!
Albert Escalante CCBCC Left Coast (California)
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
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%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 12:44:23 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] ultimate MG garage
In-Reply-To: <ca7.4062a700.36e1787b@aol.com>
References: <ca7.4062a700.36e1787b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83E3A98B-819F-48E1-9D22-A6C35D7E0995@gmail.com>

I don't know where Jay lives, but his "garage" is in Burbank near the  
airport. He also keeps all of his street legal cars licensed and  
insured so he can drive them at will. A friend of mine's late wife  
used to handle all of his car registration and insurance issues (talk  
about a full time job). I to have met the man, and is just a regular  
car guy with mega bucks.  The rest of us should be so lucky.
Rick


> The event's in Burbank, CA and he must live close by, because he first
> showed up in an new Ariel "Atom" supposed to one of the fastest  
> production  cars
> around, went home drove back in his TR-3...never a dull moment when  
> he  (Jay
> Leno) shows up as he's glad to use his popularity to champion events  
> he  believes
> in!

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 15:30:04 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:30:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a little
 tenderness: AutoWeek Magazine
Message-ID: <8612B082-255F-449C-B96F-822DE2462DB0@gmail.com>

SU's require regular rebuilds....

every 900,000 mies!	

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090305/CARNEWS/303059998

From jello at cableone.net  Thu Mar  5 16:03:13 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:03:13 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a
 little tenderness: AutoWeek Magazine
Message-ID: <1118.1236294193@cableone.net>

   Interesting  article.   I  bought  my 1991 lotus elan 3 years ago with
   37,000  miles  on it.  It was very reliable until December, when I hit
   110,000  miles.   All  at  once,  while  driving,  I  had  an oil line
   separate,  and  a piston get stuck (which the machine shop tells me is
   an  effect of an injector ceasing to fire).  Anyhow, guess I could use
   the recommendation on the injector cleaner that's in the article.

   Phil Bates
   On Thu Mar 5 15:30 , Paul Root sent:
   
     SU's require regular rebuilds....
     every 900,000 mies!
     http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090305/CARNEWS/303059998
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Thu Mar  5 16:22:14 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:22:14 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a
 little tenderness: AutoWeek Magazine
In-Reply-To: <1118.1236294193@cableone.net>
References: <1118.1236294193@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <173D05B2-9ABC-48D0-BE48-E690E6BDFEDD@ghs.com.au>

Lotus = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious......

Had an Elan S4 new...... NEVER EVER AGAIN.....  Good Luck.

On 06/03/2009, at 9:03 AM, Phil Bates wrote:

>   Interesting  article.   I  bought  my 1991 lotus elan 3 years ago  
> with
>   37,000  miles  on it.  It was very reliable until December, when I  
> hit
>   110,000  miles.   All  at  once,  while  driving,  I  had  an oil  
> line
>   separate,  and  a piston get stuck (which the machine shop tells  
> me is
>   an  effect of an injector ceasing to fire).  Anyhow, guess I could  
> use
>   the recommendation on the injector cleaner that's in the article.
>
>   Phil Bates
>   On Thu Mar 5 15:30 , Paul Root sent:
>
>     SU's require regular rebuilds....
>     every 900,000 mies!
>     http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090305/CARNEWS/303059998
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From jello at cableone.net  Thu Mar  5 16:35:14 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a
 little tenderness: AutoWeek Magazine
Message-ID: <1261.1236296114@cableone.net>

   I've  heard  the  LOTUS  acronym  -  but  it  hasn't been a reality in
   general.   I  was  putting  33,500  miles  on my '91 elan with regular
   maintenance, and no serious problems until the one I talked about.

   As  a  matter  of  fact,  I  liked my lotus so much I bought what most
   people consider the most undesirable Lotus you can find - a 1974 Lotus
   Elite.

   That  lotus  elite  and  my 1967 MGB are my current drivers - they run
   well  and reliably, where my porsche, lotus elan, land rover, citroen,
   and others have all died on me.

   Phil
   On Thu Mar 5 16:22 , Murray Arundell sent:
   
     Lotus = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious......
     Had an Elan S4 new...... NEVER EVER AGAIN..... Good Luck.
     On 06/03/2009, at 9:03 AM, Phil Bates wrote:
     > Interesting article. I bought my 1991 lotus elan 3 years ago
     > with
     > 37,000 miles on it. It was very reliable until December, when I
     > hit
     > 110,000 miles. All at once, while driving, I had an oil
     > line
     > separate, and a piston get stuck (which the machine shop tells
     > me is
     > an effect of an injector ceasing to fire). Anyhow, guess I could
     > use
     > the recommendation on the injector cleaner that's in the article.
     >
     > Phil Bates
     > On Thu Mar 5 15:30 , Paul Root sent:
     >
     > SU's require regular rebuilds....
     > every 900,000 mies!
     > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090305/CARNEWS/303059998
     > _______________________________________________
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar  6 01:53:35 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:53:35 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a
 little tenderness: AutoWeek Magazine
References: <1118.1236294193@cableone.net>
	<173D05B2-9ABC-48D0-BE48-E690E6BDFEDD@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <B88B340D581946FC8D85EEA6FBA5B015@Three>

http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/humor-09.html

No MG = Mostly Garaged in this or any of the others I looked at.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Lotus = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious......

From schultejim at msn.com  Fri Mar  6 06:55:57 2009
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:55:57 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Need help transporting parts North
Message-ID: <BAY116-W353A4A63E4E51B1094A66FDBA50@phx.gbl>

Folks,
I have a bonnet, tranny, and rear door that may have to be transported to
Philly area or somewhere within 200 miles of Philly. I can pick it up once it
gets close. They are in Deltona, Florida. Anyone that may be in the area with
a pick up or some type of transport capable of carrying them please contact me
off list. schultejimatmsn.com
Jim Schulte



Jim Schulte
Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D.
VP Bux Mont Swim Officials
Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler

From lrc at red4est.com  Sat Mar  7 14:33:21 2009
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:33:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Offset and stud circle adapter
Message-ID: <20090307213321.GA11860@red4est.com>

After a long hiatus, I'm starting to work towards putting my
supercharged BGT back on the road. As much as I love to build motors,
I'm going to give in to the inevitable that I'm not going to have time
to assemble the motor in the forseeable future and am commisioning a
friend to do it.

I was pricing tires for my daily driver beater miata, the one that was
supposed to get me by for a few months until I got the MG back on the
road, five years ago. Fifteen inch tires are a lot cheaper than
fourteen. 

Once Jasmine is running again, I may well want to use these tires on
her, but I don't have 15" MG wheels. I do however, have pleny of 15"
Miata wheels.

It seems to me, that the offset is different enough, and in the right
direction, between Miata, Honda etc. and MGB, that I could make a
spacer, that is an inch or so thick. It would have two sets of four
holes, 45 degrees apart. One set would be drilled and tapered to bolt
to the hub, with a 4" lug diameter. 

The other set would be drilled for wheel lugs on a 100mm lug diameter.

It might be a bit heavy, but close to the hub, so that should reduce
the polar moment, and for track use, I could get a set of lightweight
panasports on the MGB bolt pattern.

Has anyone tried this? Is it already commercially available? Or is
there not enough difference in offsets to have room for the lugs and
nuts?

Not only would this allow me to use wheels that I already have, but I
think that the greater offset on the wheel might improve airflow
around the brakes.

-- 
Every medium suffers from its own particular handicap. Photography's
greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be
learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the
language too long before they have anything to say."  W. Connell 1949

Larry Colen             lrc at red4est.com            http://www.red4est.com/lrc


From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 23:03:13 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:03:13 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
Message-ID: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>

On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered
that the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do mean
completely.

This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be like.
Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
something? If so, what?

Regards,
Simon

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sat Mar  7 23:44:59 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:44:59 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090308064518.9E0F8187642@autox.team.net>

At 10:03 PM 3/7/2009 -0800, Simon Matthews wrote:
>On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered 
>that the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do 
>mean completely.
>
>This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be 
>like. Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? 
>Flush with something? If so, what?
>....

Drain and change coolant, filing with fresh 50/50 glycol and water 
solution every two years, regardless of mileage.  Same applies to 
flushing hydraulic fluid every two years.  If your cooling system and 
heater core might already be partially clogged due to past neglect of 
the fluid, you may be just out of luck and have to live with 
it.  Chemical cleaners may or may not help.  Mechanical cleaning can 
be expensive.

I had a heater valve clog up a few years ago in spite of bi-annual 
fluid change. That heater valve may have been 12 to 15 years old with 
over 150,000 miles on it.  New valve installed, and the heater still 
works.  I had my cooling radiator recored last year, after about 18 
years and close to 200,000 miles.  It was still working, buy possibly 
at slightly diminished capacity.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com



From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar  8 03:46:01 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:46:01 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <164C72E5F4924E3388DFB761A5204A80@Three>

There are flushing compounds, but as Barney says they may or not help, probably not where the scale is hardened.  What you should do is repeatedly reverse flush the matrix, block, radiator and pipes with a hose, keep reversing the flush direction until the water runs clear in both directions.  Even then you can't guarantee to have got it all out, almost certainly not in fact, but it will probably be better.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
  something? If so, what?
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 11:53:43 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:53:43 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <49b36967.0c0bca0a.7aad.fffffee1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49b36967.0c0bca0a.7aad.fffffee1SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200903081153k20dcb971w44b730e8a21dea44@mail.gmail.com>

I'll probably be shot down very quickly with this thinking, but......

I live in a climate where anti-freeze protection is not required. In
fact, in summer, when the MGA's marginal colling becomes an issue,
it's better to not use anti-freeze (because it reduces efficiency of
the cooling system).

As well as its freeze-protection properties, anti-freeze contains
chemicals to protect against corrosion. However, these chemicals can
be added by adding other solutions, such as Water Wetter.

The scale deposits come from the minerals dissolved in water added to
the colling system. If I keep refreshing the water in the system, I
keep adding more minerals.

By keeping the same water in the system, but adding water wetter at
the appropriate interval, I am limiting the amount of minerals that I
add to the system while retaining the anti-corrosion properties.

Thoughts?
Simon


On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:
> At 10:03 PM 3/7/2009 -0800, Simon Matthews wrote:
>>
>> On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered that
>> the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do mean completely.
>>
>> This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be like.
>> Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
>> something? If so, what?
>> ....
>
> Drain and change coolant, filing with fresh 50/50 glycol and water solution
> every two years, regardless of mileage.  Same applies to flushing hydraulic
> fluid every two years.  If your cooling system and heater core might already
> be partially clogged due to past neglect of the fluid, you may be just out
> of luck and have to live with it.  Chemical cleaners may or may not help.
>  Mechanical cleaning can be expensive.
>
> I had a heater valve clog up a few years ago in spite of bi-annual fluid
> change. That heater valve may have been 12 to 15 years old with over 150,000
> miles on it.  New valve installed, and the heater still works.  I had my
> cooling radiator recored last year, after about 18 years and close to
> 200,000 miles.  It was still working, buy possibly at slightly diminished
> capacity.
>
> Barney Gaylord
> 1958 MGA with an attitude
> http://MGAguru.com
>
>
>

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  8 14:27:04 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:27:04 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5D98638.1EE0C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

The rest of the system has a constant flow of coolant. The heater only gets
flow if the valve is open. If it is seldom opened, it can become clogged (as
you know).

So, yeah, there is probably some muck, but it is unlikely anything is
actually blocked (or you'd know about it).

I have flushed systems with water from the hose (after draining the coolant,
of course). You can buy an inexpensive flush-and-fill kit that includes a
fitting that splices into a heater hose, that has the garden hose thread.
You have to remove the thermostat and replace the housing in order to get a
thorough flush. You also have to leave a drain open, possibly the radiator
stopcock.


on 3/7/09 11:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:

> On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered
> that the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do mean
> completely.
> 
> This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be like.
> Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
> something? If so, what?
> 
> Regards,
> Simon


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:58:32 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:58:32 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <C5D98638.1EE0C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <40b437200903072203q635c4733k88df4a2f23dbc7f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5D98638.1EE0C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <40b437200903081558w7ddaad6j40dd543ff843c1b8@mail.gmail.com>

Max,

Actually, I left the valve open for 10 years. In an MGA, the heat can
be turned off quite effectively using the air control valve. Since the
failure mode for the water valve is related to having the valve
closed, I just leave it open.

Simon


On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The rest of the system has a constant flow of coolant. The heater only gets
> flow if the valve is open. If it is seldom opened, it can become clogged (as
> you know).
>
> So, yeah, there is probably some muck, but it is unlikely anything is
> actually blocked (or you'd know about it).
>
> I have flushed systems with water from the hose (after draining the coolant,
> of course). You can buy an inexpensive flush-and-fill kit that includes a
> fitting that splices into a heater hose, that has the garden hose thread.
> You have to remove the thermostat and replace the housing in order to get a
> thorough flush. You also have to leave a drain open, possibly the radiator
> stopcock.
>
>
> on 3/7/09 11:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered
>> that the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do mean
>> completely.
>>
>> This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be like.
>> Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
>> something? If so, what?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Simon
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
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From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Sun Mar  8 16:27:27 2009
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:27:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Offset and stud circle adapter
In-Reply-To: <20090307213321.GA11860@red4est.com>
References: <20090307213321.GA11860@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <61CAFB0F-676E-481F-B25C-E337D168F8CE@trebelhorn.com>

Yes, these already exist.  About 1" thick in aluminum, allowing you  
to change offset and bolt pattern.  Google, or ebay, "4x100 adapter"  
for a start.

They exist in lots of different versions -- to put 4x100 wheels on  
cars with other bolt patterns, to put different wheels on cars with a  
4x100 bolt pattern, to go from 4-lug to 5-lug.

There are slightly thinner and thicker versions as well, and of  
course spacers in 4x100 are common/cheap.

Good luck!
Matt


On 7 Mar, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> After a long hiatus, I'm starting to work towards putting my
> supercharged BGT back on the road. As much as I love to build motors,
> I'm going to give in to the inevitable that I'm not going to have time
> to assemble the motor in the forseeable future and am commisioning a
> friend to do it.
>
> I was pricing tires for my daily driver beater miata, the one that was
> supposed to get me by for a few months until I got the MG back on the
> road, five years ago. Fifteen inch tires are a lot cheaper than
> fourteen.
>
> Once Jasmine is running again, I may well want to use these tires on
> her, but I don't have 15" MG wheels. I do however, have pleny of 15"
> Miata wheels.
>
> It seems to me, that the offset is different enough, and in the right
> direction, between Miata, Honda etc. and MGB, that I could make a
> spacer, that is an inch or so thick. It would have two sets of four
> holes, 45 degrees apart. One set would be drilled and tapered to bolt
> to the hub, with a 4" lug diameter.
>
> The other set would be drilled for wheel lugs on a 100mm lug diameter.
>
> It might be a bit heavy, but close to the hub, so that should reduce
> the polar moment, and for track use, I could get a set of lightweight
> panasports on the MGB bolt pattern.
>
> Has anyone tried this? Is it already commercially available? Or is
> there not enough difference in offsets to have room for the lugs and
> nuts?
>
> Not only would this allow me to use wheels that I already have, but I
> think that the greater offset on the wheel might improve airflow
> around the brakes.
>
> -- 
> Every medium suffers from its own particular handicap. Photography's
> greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be
> learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the
> language too long before they have anything to say."  W. Connell 1949
>
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From dannyvarnado at cox.net  Sun Mar  8 18:31:29 2009
From: dannyvarnado at cox.net (dannyvarnado)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:31:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <C5D98638.1EE0C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <92AC4B441AC44EBD9B49C1896AF86BF4@dannytyferm096>

After flushing, ALWAYS use distilled water with or without antifreeze.
Mineral deposits are usually caused by the use of tap water in cooling 
systems.
Danny V.
'58 MGA
'79 MGB V-6

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?


> The rest of the system has a constant flow of coolant. The heater only 
> gets
> flow if the valve is open. If it is seldom opened, it can become clogged 
> (as
> you know).
>
> So, yeah, there is probably some muck, but it is unlikely anything is
> actually blocked (or you'd know about it).
>
> I have flushed systems with water from the hose (after draining the 
> coolant,
> of course). You can buy an inexpensive flush-and-fill kit that includes a
> fitting that splices into a heater hose, that has the garden hose thread.
> You have to remove the thermostat and replace the housing in order to get 
> a
> thorough flush. You also have to leave a drain open, possibly the radiator
> stopcock.
>
>
> on 3/7/09 11:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On investigating why my MGA heater was not functioning, I discovered
>> that the heater control valve was completely full of scale. I do mean
>> completely.
>>
>> This made me wonder what the rest of the cooling system might be like.
>> Does anyone have any recommendations? Don't worry about it? Flush with
>> something? If so, what?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Simon
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
> You are subscribed as dannyvarnado at cox.net
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar  9 01:46:41 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:46:41 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <C5D98638.1EE0C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<92AC4B441AC44EBD9B49C1896AF86BF4@dannytyferm096>
Message-ID: <0306739388934B01BF4A4D050767CDB7@Three>

The deposits are so minute that those in one fill will cause no problem.  It's continually draining and refilling with tap water that would cause the problem, like wet central heating systems.  Unwise to use water on its own, you need anti-corrosion properties at least even if you don't need anti-freezing properties.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  After flushing, ALWAYS use distilled water with or without antifreeze.
  Mineral deposits are usually caused by the use of tap water in cooling 
  systems.
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From xyzabcde at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  9 19:25:22 2009
From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <mailman.16402.1236565835.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>

This is one of those debates like towing with/without the driveshaft 
removed, LMA vs silicone brake fluid, and cats.  What was the dispute about 
cats?

But anyway... water is polar and likes to have ions in it so distilled 
water, which is pure, polarized water, tends to leech minerals out of 
whatever it touches including the iron in your engine block.  So yes, tap 
water has lots of junk in it, but it won't dissolve your engine.  My Toyota 
Tercel, which has an aluminum head, requires de-ionized water and the only 
source I could find for this is pre-mixed coolant.  Whatever was in the car 
when I got it did dissolve the head almost through to the combustion 
chamber.  I've always used tap water and coolant in my B and never had a 
clogging or dissolving problem.  And I flush the cooling system and the 
brake system whenever I remember which is about once every ten years.

While I'm on the subject, it's possible to flush the cooling system with the 
cheap Prestone adapter without removing the thermostat.  You hook up the 
garden hose and set it to trickle and then run the engine to operating temp. 
You'll know when the thermostat opens because the flow suddenly gets bigger 
and dirtier.

Denise Thorpe

Danny V. said:

After flushing, ALWAYS use distilled water with or without antifreeze.
Mineral deposits are usually caused by the use of tap water in cooling
systems.
Danny V.
'58 MGA
'79 MGB V-6 


From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 20:19:35 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>
References: <mailman.16402.1236565835.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>
Message-ID: <40b437200903092019g2316b592vfeee98dd46742e4e@mail.gmail.com>

Denise,

I think that your suggestion that the water cannot dissolve the metals
(or rather the corrosion products)  because it has dissolved minerals
in it is false.

Anyway, both argue for changing the water a little as possible in
climates where anti-freeze is not required.

Simon

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Denise Thorpe <xyzabcde at earthlink.net> wrote:
> This is one of those debates like towing with/without the driveshaft
> removed, LMA vs silicone brake fluid, and cats.  What was the dispute about
> cats?
>
> But anyway... water is polar and likes to have ions in it so distilled
> water, which is pure, polarized water, tends to leech minerals out of
> whatever it touches including the iron in your engine block.  So yes, tap
> water has lots of junk in it, but it won't dissolve your engine.  My Toyota
> Tercel, which has an aluminum head, requires de-ionized water and the only
> source I could find for this is pre-mixed coolant.  Whatever was in the car
> when I got it did dissolve the head almost through to the combustion
> chamber.  I've always used tap water and coolant in my B and never had a
> clogging or dissolving problem.  And I flush the cooling system and the
> brake system whenever I remember which is about once every ten years.
>
> While I'm on the subject, it's possible to flush the cooling system with the
> cheap Prestone adapter without removing the thermostat.  You hook up the
> garden hose and set it to trickle and then run the engine to operating temp.
> You'll know when the thermostat opens because the flow suddenly gets bigger
> and dirtier.
>
> Denise Thorpe
>
> Danny V. said:
>
> After flushing, ALWAYS use distilled water with or without antifreeze.
> Mineral deposits are usually caused by the use of tap water in cooling
> systems.
> Danny V.
> '58 MGA
> '79 MGB V-6
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 10 01:45:15 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:45:15 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <mailman.16402.1236565835.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>
Message-ID: <A17F18555734423FAD23E1ED37D287E7@Three>

Hmmm, don't think I'd want all that cold water rushing into my hot block as the stat opened, I've heard one crack before.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  While I'm on the subject, it's possible to flush the cooling system with the 
  cheap Prestone adapter without removing the thermostat.  You hook up the 
  garden hose and set it to trickle and then run the engine to operating temp. 
  You'll know when the thermostat opens because the flow suddenly gets bigger 
  and dirtier.
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 10 03:24:27 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:24:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <mailman.16402.1236565835.3542.mgs@autox.team.net><005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>
	<A17F18555734423FAD23E1ED37D287E7@Three>
Message-ID: <001e01c9a16a$a4e2ebb0$c615a8c0@ranteer.local>

i like to attach a piece of plastic pipe to the outlet hose, pad the fender, 
and have the water run off away from the car. 


From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 10 08:15:49 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:15:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <40b437200903092019g2316b592vfeee98dd46742e4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16402.1236565835.3542.mgs@autox.team.net><005601c9a127$7c21b4b0$b1ee9904@S0028025559>
	<40b437200903092019g2316b592vfeee98dd46742e4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FC91@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Actually Denise is correct although her explanation was a bit
simplified. Water will dissolve metals. In fact, distilled water is
mildly acidic. The dissolved minerals, particularly carbonates, add
buffering and increase the pH, but also can lead to deposits. Although I
usually use distilled or deionized water with antifreeze, tap water
often is fine depending on the area water quality and so long as the
coolant is changed periodically so it doesn't become concentrated. The
key is still running antifreeze with its anti-corrosion chemicals or if
in a warmer climate where freezing is not a problem, there are other
additives that provide the protection needed.

I should also mention that water can become acidic through dissolved
gases like carbon dioxide or through exhaust gas. Thus a head gasket
leak with only water as the coolant can introduce corrosion problems. 

David Councill
Former chemist (water, coal, soil)
67 BGT
72 B
Soon to be - 73B



-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Matthews
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:20 PM
To: Denise Thorpe
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?

Denise,

I think that your suggestion that the water cannot dissolve the metals
(or rather the corrosion products)  because it has dissolved minerals
in it is false.

Anyway, both argue for changing the water a little as possible in
climates where anti-freeze is not required.

Simon


From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 08:35:05 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FC91@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <496931.80499.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


David wrote,

> The key is still running antifreeze with its anti-corrosion
> chemicals or if in a warmer climate where freezing is not a
> problem, there are other additives that provide the protection
> needed.

To which we should add (and remember) that antifreeze does more than prevent freesing and minimizing corrosion.  A 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and distilled water also elevates the boiling point of the coolant.  Combine that with a pressurized colling system and you run a much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime boil-over.

rick

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 10 08:47:52 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:47:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <496931.80499.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FC91@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<496931.80499.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FC93@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

That too is true. I didn't think about that when I sent my email out.
Maybe it is because it is currently -2 F outside (in March??!!) so I'm
more focused on the freezing side.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:35 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net; Councill, David
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?


David wrote,

> The key is still running antifreeze with its anti-corrosion
> chemicals or if in a warmer climate where freezing is not a
> problem, there are other additives that provide the protection
> needed.

To which we should add (and remember) that antifreeze does more than
prevent freesing and minimizing corrosion.  A 50/50 mixture of
antifreeze and distilled water also elevates the boiling point of the
coolant.  Combine that with a pressurized colling system and you run a
much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime boil-over.

rick

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 10 08:54:13 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <496931.80499.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7F249CB72C0C4EEEB2B9105169945E33@Three>

How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a good cooling system I mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it didn't lose any coolant.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling system and you run a much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime boil-over.
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 09:03:19 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <7F249CB72C0C4EEEB2B9105169945E33@Three>
Message-ID: <113880.14162.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


   LOL!  But Paul, you live in England where a scorching hot day is 78 degrees F! :-P  BTW, that is always the joke we passed around about the pitiful A/C in '70s vintage Jaguars.  It goes, "The Jaguar air conditioning is perfectly capable of handling a scorching hot 78 degree day in southern England!"

In reality, we have problems here in the southern states of the US.  The air temperature in the summer may be over 100 degrees F, and I have seen it over 130 degrees F over hot, black tarmac sitting in traffic.

With all of that said, there's also no excuse for a cooling system with an old, defective, leaky radiator cap!  That's a boil-over waiting to happen.


best regards,

rick

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>, mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:54 AM
> How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a good cooling
> system I mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it
> didn't lose any coolant.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling system and
> you run a much better chance of avoiding the dreaded
> summertime boil-over.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 10 09:51:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:51:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <113880.14162.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1458E0D30FC349F6ADDB341224FEB52B@Three>

We do get over 100 occasionally you know ...

But I wasn't asking for myself, I was wondering about those cars used in desert states, where I've read many times that as long as you keep things as they should be you won't get boiling.

The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be to have an MGB in good condition boil over?

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 



     LOL!  But Paul, you live in England where a scorching hot day is 78 degrees F!
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From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net  Tue Mar 10 10:02:29 2009
From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (Sam DeSalvo)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:02:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
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I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed pressurized tool for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to me it might be easier and potentially less messy to use a vacuum pump. Has anyone had any experience with the Mity Vac vacuum bleeder?
Sam
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 10:03:59 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <1458E0D30FC349F6ADDB341224FEB52B@Three>
Message-ID: <323159.39874.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Paul, I can't answer because I don't know.  I believe that most cases of boil-over are just symptoms of other, deeper problems.

rick


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>, mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 11:51 AM
> We do get over 100 occasionally you know ...
> 
> But I wasn't asking for myself, I was wondering about
> those cars used in desert states, where I've read many
> times that as long as you keep things as they should be you
> won't get boiling.
> 
> The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be
> to have an MGB in good condition boil over?
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
> 
>      LOL!  But Paul, you live in England where a scorching
> hot day is 78 degrees F!

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 10:05:15 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
In-Reply-To: <8BC2A98CEF1A4D989B420492F8E65BE4@VALUEDECECF7F4>
Message-ID: <604764.34588.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I had one and found it to be REALLY messy.  The hoses slipped off when wetted with brake fluid.  It was good, however, for testing vacuum advances.

rick


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Sam DeSalvo <sdesalvo at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> From: Sam DeSalvo <sdesalvo at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>, healeys-request at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
> I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed
> pressurized tool for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to
> me it might be easier and potentially less messy to use a
> vacuum pump. Has anyone had any experience with the Mity Vac
> vacuum bleeder?
> Sam
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From peter.schauss at ngc.com  Tue Mar 10 10:26:29 2009
From: peter.schauss at ngc.com (Schauss, R. Peter   (IT))
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:26:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
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I have found that it does not work very well unless you get an
absolutely perfect seal between the fitting on the vacuum hose and the
bleed screw.  The Eezi Bleed is more effective and considerably faster
but it is messy.  I gave up on both of these methods and installed Speed
Bleeders.  You replace all of the bleed screws with screws which have a
check valve in them.  In additon, the vendor supplies a bag with a tube
attached to catch the brake fluid.  It takes a bit more time but you
don't have to worry about brake fluid spraying all over the place.

Peter Schauss
1980 MGB

-----Original Message-----

Message: 11
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:02:29 -0400
From: "Sam DeSalvo" <sdesalvo at frontiernet.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>,	<healeys-request at autox.team.net>
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I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed pressurized
tool for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to me it might be easier
and potentially less messy to use a vacuum pump. Has anyone had any
experience with the Mity Vac vacuum bleeder?
Sam


From rmort at bezeqint.net  Tue Mar 10 11:37:06 2009
From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:37:06 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
References: <323159.39874.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c9a1af$4f1d9fa0$363519ac@BIGMORT>

> > The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be
> > to have an MGB in good condition boil over?

Well, FWIW, I've driven my more or less stock 70 roadster up the hill from
tel aviv to Jerusalem (~2500 ft in 30 miles or so), and even on 35c days in
the blazing sun it never gets above 3/4 of the way to H.

Sitting in traffic in 35c and 85% humidity down near the coast it will get
almost to the red, the aftermarket aux fan wil bring it back down to 7/8ths
of the way to H.

I still have the original metal engine fan, and a cheapo plastic addon (with
no shroud) in front of the rad.
And my car is far from what most of you guys would call 'good condition'
[VBG]

Also, they only sell premixed coolant here, supposedly optimized for the
climate (often hot, never freezes, lots and lots of minerals in the tap
water)

R Martin
Herzliya Israel.
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From mjanacek at snet.net  Tue Mar 10 11:49:35 2009
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
In-Reply-To: <8BC2A98CEF1A4D989B420492F8E65BE4@VALUEDECECF7F4>
References: <8BC2A98CEF1A4D989B420492F8E65BE4@VALUEDECECF7F4>
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I used mine once when I changed out the flex clutch hose. It worked real 
good. Not really messy but not the cleanest way either.
Mike
'79B

Sam DeSalvo wrote:
> I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed pressurized tool for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to me it might be easier and potentially less messy to use a vacuum pump. Has anyone had any experience with the Mity Vac vacuum bleeder?
> Sam
>   

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Mar 10 12:00:12 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:00:12 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <001c01c9a1af$4f1d9fa0$363519ac@BIGMORT>
References: <323159.39874.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001c01c9a1af$4f1d9fa0$363519ac@BIGMORT>
Message-ID: <2856B9E3-3953-4839-883E-9B3DE8BC76F2@ghs.com.au>

After many 1000s of miles in the Australian Outnack & Tropics in  
Summer with temps regularly in 100f range I can confidently say that  
if your cooling system & engine is in good condition, ie as new. It  
will not overheat unless you are operating the car outside of it's  
design parametres. So unless you are competing in the Desert GP or  
trying to tow something like a horse float you will sweet.

Murray Aeundell
Brisbane Australia
Sent from my iPhone

On 11/03/2009, at 4:37, "R. Martin Rogovein" <rmort at bezeqint.net> wrote:

>>> The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be
>>> to have an MGB in good condition boil over?
>
> Well, FWIW, I've driven my more or less stock 70 roadster up the  
> hill from
> tel aviv to Jerusalem (~2500 ft in 30 miles or so), and even on 35c  
> days in
> the blazing sun it never gets above 3/4 of the way to H.
>
> Sitting in traffic in 35c and 85% humidity down near the coast it  
> will get
> almost to the red, the aftermarket aux fan wil bring it back down to  
> 7/8ths
> of the way to H.
>
> I still have the original metal engine fan, and a cheapo plastic  
> addon (with
> no shroud) in front of the rad.
> And my car is far from what most of you guys would call 'good  
> condition'
> [VBG]
>
> Also, they only sell premixed coolant here, supposedly optimized for  
> the
> climate (often hot, never freezes, lots and lots of minerals in the  
> tap
> water)
>
> R Martin
> Herzliya Israel.
> __________________________________________
> Upon discovering that Miles Black, the famous phrenologist
> from Yorkshire was going to take up yodeling to lonely goats
> in Bali, James White decided to balance four planks of wood
> on a beer keg and call it an abstract work of art in the style
> of a famous fourteenth-century architect, just going to prove
> that people will read any old garbage if they think there will
> be a good pun at the end of it.
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 12:14:24 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <1458E0D30FC349F6ADDB341224FEB52B@Three>
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Paul,

I have suspected for a while that early MGBs are far less prone to
overheating than later MGBs. I had a '74 MGB in Texas and it never
showed any overheating problems.  Instead, when I moved and took the
car back to the UK, it never heated up in winter unless I blocked off
part of the radiator and oll cooler.

Simon

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> We do get over 100 occasionally you know ...
>
> But I wasn't asking for myself, I was wondering about those cars used in desert states, where I've read many times that as long as you keep things as they should be you won't get boiling.
>
> The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be to have an MGB in good condition boil over?
>
> PaulH.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 12:19:59 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:19:59 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
In-Reply-To: <CD9150D80CFCFB42BC73C40791C1E01903144408@XMBIL112.northgrum.com>
References: <mailman.16604.1236708084.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
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I have used both.

In my experience, the problem with the Mity Vac is that once the bleed
screw is loosened, the bleed screw will leak in its threads. Hence
there is no way to get a really good seal. Also, it is very difficult
to screw in and close the bleed screw without dropping the hose off
the end, so, once again, the vacuum is lost and air may potentially
get back into the system.

The Eezibleed system on the other hand works very well providing you
don't have too much pressure.

Simon

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Schauss, R. Peter   (IT)
<peter.schauss at ngc.com> wrote:
> I have found that it does not work very well unless you get an
> absolutely perfect seal between the fitting on the vacuum hose and the
> bleed screw.  The Eezi Bleed is more effective and considerably faster
> but it is messy.  I gave up on both of these methods and installed Speed
> Bleeders.  You replace all of the bleed screws with screws which have a
> check valve in them.  In additon, the vendor supplies a bag with a tube
> attached to catch the brake fluid.  It takes a bit more time but you
> don't have to worry about brake fluid spraying all over the place.
>
> Peter Schauss
> 1980 MGB
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:02:29 -0400
> From: "Sam DeSalvo" <sdesalvo at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>,     <healeys-request at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <8BC2A98CEF1A4D989B420492F8E65BE4 at VALUEDECECF7F4>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed pressurized
> tool for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to me it might be easier
> and potentially less messy to use a vacuum pump. Has anyone had any
> experience with the Mity Vac vacuum bleeder?
> Sam
>
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From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Mar 10 12:24:34 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:24:34 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
Message-ID: <20090310.152725.1960.10.MGBOB@juno.com>

  A chart on a bottle of Prestone (brand) antifreeze shows, with 15 psi
cap:
        50/50 mix of Prestone & water protects to -34F and +265F
        70% Prestone/30% water protects to -84F and +276

   One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no Prestone.
Bob


 
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a good cooling system I 
> mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it didn't lose any 
> coolant.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling system and you run a 
> much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime boil-over.
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 12:38:35 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
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I have to confess guys.  I use a length of clear plastic tubing (left over from an aquarium aerator) and a plastic bottle (left over from drinking water) with brake fluid covering the end of the hose.  Around the neck of the bottle is a coat hanger (left over from hanging a coat) with a hook to hang the bottle from some unsuspecting suspension point.  

Low-tech, cheap and with Scottish roots, Rick




From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 12:40:24 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <20090310.152725.1960.10.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <594851.60015.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no
> Prestone.
> Bob

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk
> Cc: rolindsay at yahoo.com, mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:24 PM
> A chart on a bottle of Prestone (brand) antifreeze shows,
> with 15 psi
> cap:
>         50/50 mix of Prestone & water protects to -34F
> and +265F
>         70% Prestone/30% water protects to -84F and +276
> 
>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no
> Prestone.
> Bob
> 
> 
>  
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
> <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> > How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a good
> cooling system I 
> > mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it
> didn't lose any 
> > coolant.
> > 
> > PaulH.
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling system
> and you run a 
> > much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime
> boil-over.
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 12:43:36 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <594851.60015.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <582131.78336.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Remember, on that graph, the pressuress are ABSOLUTE so a 15 pound cap relates to a max pressure of 29.7psi   ( 14.7 being about atmospheric at sea level + the 15 psi over pressure).

rick


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>, "MGS" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:40 PM
> >    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and
> no
> > Prestone.
> > Bob
> 
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> > To: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk
> > Cc: rolindsay at yahoo.com, mgs at autox.team.net
> > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:24 PM
> > A chart on a bottle of Prestone (brand) antifreeze
> shows,
> > with 15 psi
> > cap:
> >         50/50 mix of Prestone & water protects to
> -34F
> > and +265F
> >         70% Prestone/30% water protects to -84F and
> +276
> > 
> >    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and
> no
> > Prestone.
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000 "Paul
> Hunt"
> > <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> > > How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a
> good
> > cooling system I 
> > > mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it
> > didn't lose any 
> > > coolant.
> > > 
> > > PaulH.
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling
> system
> > and you run a 
> > > much better chance of avoiding the dreaded
> summertime
> > boil-over.
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 12:44:06 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
In-Reply-To: <594851.60015.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090310.152725.1960.10.MGBOB@juno.com>
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So, from the chart, about 250 degrees F/ 121C.

But remember the  anti-freeze/water mixture will be hotter because it
is less efficient at cooling the engine.

Simon

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no
>> Prestone.
>> Bob
>
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
>> To: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk
>> Cc: rolindsay at yahoo.com, mgs at autox.team.net
>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:24 PM
>> A chart on a bottle of Prestone (brand) antifreeze shows,
>> with 15 psi
>> cap:
>>         50/50 mix of Prestone & water protects to -34F
>> and +265F
>>         70% Prestone/30% water protects to -84F and +276
>>
>>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no
>> Prestone.
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
>> <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> > How hot does it have to be to get that?  With a good
>> cooling system I
>> > mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but it
>> didn't lose any
>> > coolant.
>> >
>> > PaulH.
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   ...  Combine that with a pressurized colling system
>> and you run a
>> > much better chance of avoiding the dreaded summertime
>> boil-over.
>> > -------------- next part --------------
>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 12:46:53 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:46:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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This all assumes that the heat input has overcome the cooling capacity of the radiator with the thermostat fully open.  Otherwise, the temperature will be lower.  And that is a confusing thing about thermostats.  They keep the engine hotter 9toward an optimal target), not cooler, by regulating the coolant flow. :-)

rick


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>, "MGS" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:44 PM
> So, from the chart, about 250 degrees F/ 121C.
> 
> But remember the  anti-freeze/water mixture will be hotter
> because it
> is less efficient at cooling the engine.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Rick Lindsay
> <rolindsay at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap
> and no
> >> Prestone.
> >> Bob
> >
> >
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> >> To: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk
> >> Cc: rolindsay at yahoo.com, mgs at autox.team.net
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:24 PM
> >> A chart on a bottle of Prestone (brand) antifreeze
> shows,
> >> with 15 psi
> >> cap:
> >>         50/50 mix of Prestone & water protects
> to -34F
> >> and +265F
> >>         70% Prestone/30% water protects to -84F
> and +276
> >>
> >>    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap
> and no
> >> Prestone.
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:54:13 -0000 "Paul
> Hunt"
> >> <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> >> > How hot does it have to be to get that?  With
> a good
> >> cooling system I
> >> > mean.  I've seen my V8 reach the red but
> it
> >> didn't lose any
> >> > coolant.
> >> >
> >> > PaulH.
> >> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >> >   ...  Combine that with a pressurized
> colling system
> >> and you run a
> >> > much better chance of avoiding the dreaded
> summertime
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From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Mar 10 12:31:51 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
Message-ID: <20090310.154448.1960.13.MGBOB@juno.com>

 Rick,
    I agree.  Having driven my TD and MGB in Florida during the hottest
days of the year, and both in the hills of Connecticut on 100F days (yes,
we do get them from time to time) never has there been a boil-over in
either. 
Bob

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Rick Lindsay
<rolindsay at yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> Paul, I can't answer because I don't know.  I believe that most 
> cases of boil-over are just symptoms of other, deeper problems.
> 
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From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Mar 10 12:42:24 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
Message-ID: <20090310.154448.1960.15.MGBOB@juno.com>

  "Premix" Prestone in this area of the USA is 50/50 mix. It costs about
10% less per gallon than 100% Prestone.  Why folks buy the premix puzzles
me, but one sees people leaving the stores with gallon jugs as often as
one sees them leaving with 100%. 


 
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:37:06 +0200 "R. Martin Rogovein"
<rmort at bezeqint.net> writes:
> > > The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be
> > > to have an MGB in good condition boil over?
> 
> Well, FWIW, I've driven my more or less stock 70 roadster up the >
Also, they only sell premixed coolant here, supposedly optimized for 
> the climate (often hot, never freezes, lots and lots of minerals in the

> tap water)
> 
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 12:52:43 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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That's a great example of why we're in such an economic slop bucket.  People are lazy.  Credit cards and iffey loans make (made) money cheap - and that made it desirable to buy pre-mix at essentially TWICE the cost, just to avoid mixing two liquids - one of which is essentially free!

And you're right on the ratio.  A 50/50 mix is optimum.  Below that gives insufficient cold and corrosion protection, above it actually reduces the boiling-point elevation properties.

Man, work is boring today!

rick

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
> To: rmort at bezeqint.net
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:42 PM
> "Premix" Prestone in this area of the USA is 50/50
> mix. It costs about
> 10% less per gallon than 100% Prestone.  Why folks buy the
> premix puzzles
> me, but one sees people leaving the stores with gallon jugs
> as often as
> one sees them leaving with 100%. 
> 
> 
>  
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:37:06 +0200 "R. Martin
> Rogovein"
> <rmort at bezeqint.net> writes:
> > > > The question still stands, just how hot does
> it have to be
> > > > to have an MGB in good condition boil over?
> > 
> > Well, FWIW, I've driven my more or less stock 70
> roadster up the >
> Also, they only sell premixed coolant here, supposedly
> optimized for 
> > the climate (often hot, never freezes, lots and lots
> of minerals in the
> 
> > tap water)
> > 
> > R Martin
> > Herzliya Israel.
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From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Mar 10 12:55:34 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
Message-ID: <20090310.155554.1960.19.MGBOB@juno.com>

Rick,
  Thanks for the chart.  
  MGBs used 8,12 and 15 psi caps, I believe, so boil temps with 50/50 mix
would be about 235,242,250 F.
  My 18V, with 9.2 compression, warms up to and holds at 190F unltess
working quite hard. Running hard and fast, the temp needle goes up about
the width of the needle itself, perhaps 10 degrees. Radiator has 8 psi
cap. 
Bob


 
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rick Lindsay
<rolindsay at yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> >    One wonders what boil temp is with a 15 psi cap and no
> > Prestone.
> > Bob
> 
> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html
> 
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From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Tue Mar 10 16:32:30 2009
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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I think it would be incredibly difficult to get an MGB in good  
condition to boil over.

I've driven my car in 110F temps with an 8lb radiator cap, I've sat  
in traffic for an hour at 105F.

Back in the summer of 1998, one of the clubs had a track day at  
Summit Point, in West Va.  My father and I shared my MG for the day.   
The starter jammed that morning, and nothing we could do in the pits  
could un-jam it -- so the car was push-started once in the morning,  
and once after lunch; the rest of the day was alternating sessions of  
hot laps and autocross (with waiting-in-line time for the autocross,  
as well).  It was over 90F that day, and we hammered the car for  
hours.  At the end of the day, I drove it 300 miles home.  It didn't  
boil over.

That said, in all this thrashing around, the temps did rise.  It  
comes off the thermostat-defined temperature (180F) at about 80F  
ambient temperature, and I've been thinking about ways to keep it  
cooler.  But boiling over?  Not yet.

Matt
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Mar 10 16:52:14 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:22:14 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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Matt Trebelhorn wrote:
> I think it would be incredibly difficult to get an MGB in good 
> condition to boil over.
>
But of course that statement then suggests, plainly,  that if your car 
boils then it is not in good condition and answers any argument against 
it. 

I think my car is generally in pretty "good condition" (well, not right 
now because I have a split in the top tank of the radiator) but I can 
assure you that driving for six or seven minutes with the foot planted 
on the floor and significant amounts of times at 6500 to 7000 in 110F+ 
temperatures WILL get you dumping fluid.

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Tue Mar 10 17:05:05 2009
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:05:05 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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No offense intended -- and your car certainly looks to be in good shape.

I would put it down to the first half of my comment -- I suggested  
that it might be incredibly hard to do, but you work you car, well,  
incredibly hard!  And more power to you.

Between the two of us, we have a couple of data points that start to  
answer the original question.

I get no boil-over when lapping at 95F, with a redline of ~6400; or  
cruising at 110F.
Eric gets boil-over when racing at 110F+, with a redline of 7000.

So somewhere in there is a threshold -- where we might agree that a  
good car, used hard enough, will boil over.

Matt
enough bench racing -- hoping to shake off the long winter next week  
and go for a drive!

On 10 Mar, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Eric Erickson wrote:
> Matt Trebelhorn wrote:
>> I think it would be incredibly difficult to get an MGB in good  
>> condition to boil over.
>>
> But of course that statement then suggests, plainly,  that if your  
> car boils then it is not in good condition and answers any argument  
> against it.
> I think my car is generally in pretty "good condition" (well, not  
> right now because I have a split in the top tank of the radiator)  
> but I can assure you that driving for six or seven minutes with the  
> foot planted on the floor and significant amounts of times at 6500  
> to 7000 in 110F+ temperatures WILL get you dumping fluid.

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Mar 10 18:20:04 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:20:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEDHCMAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Matt, you 'should' be ASHAMED of yourself.....

<<And more power to you.>>

that is one of the WORST puns I have read in YEARS
as Eric has been chasing the 'power' thing for YEARS !!!

LMAO tho !!



From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Mar 10 17:39:28 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:09:28 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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Matt Trebelhorn wrote:
>
> I would put it down to the first half of my comment -- I suggested 
> that it might be incredibly hard to do, but you work you car, well, 
> incredibly hard!  And more power to you.

Thank you - that is one of the best wishes a person could offer.   :-)
>
> Between the two of us, we have a couple of data points that start to 
> answer the original question.
>
> I get no boil-over when lapping at 95F, with a redline of ~6400; or 
> cruising at 110F.
> Eric gets boil-over when racing at 110F+, with a redline of 7000.
OK, so being on the track in 110F+ temps only happens once or twice a 
year, and it would only see 6500+ revs momentarily, but I needed to show 
that even a decently maintained car might drop some fluid.  :-)  
>
> So somewhere in there is a threshold -- where we might agree that a 
> good car, used hard enough, will boil over.

Still she has behaved worse in slightly lower temperatures and I would 
guess that was a fault somewhere and not the norm.  When it gets to the 
stage that the temp needle tries to break into the oil pressure, I still 
manage to ignore it and get that last lap done and dusted.  She may 
throw her water when I stop in the paddock but she is still good to go 
again within half an hour so is it really an issue.

Being used to seeing a bit of coolant on the ground I was amazed when I 
let a young guy take my car for a spin on a very hot day and he and his 
mates were horrified that she dropped a cupful of water when he brought 
her back.  he thought he had broken something!

Now enough - I have an alloy radiator to fit (and maybe a huge overflow 
tank just in case)!



Eric

From xyzabcde at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 10 18:12:22 2009
From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:12:22 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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Hi Paul,

Since my last pontificating went over so well, I'll do it again.  A radiator 
boils over when the coolant increases in volume to the point that the 
pressure overcomes the pressure limit of the radiator cap...something about 
PV=nRT.  If a car has an overflow bottle, like a late model B, the air in 
the bottle is displaced and absorbs the extra volume so the coolant never 
boils over.  That's why there's an upper limit on filling the bottle.  Early 
Bs have an overflow tube so that extra volume is dumped on the ground before 
it has a chance to bypass the radiator cap.  The problem with this is that 
the coolant is then gone for good and doesn't get sucked back in like it 
would if it went into a bottle.  So to answer your question, Bs with the 
correct parts should never boil over.

But of course that's not the whole story, at least not from me.  Boiling 
over doesn't automatically cause engine damage.  If your car does boil over 
or run too hot, the best thing you can do is pull over to the side of the 
road, leave it running, and pour water slowly over the top of the radiator. 
This will cool down the engine enough so that you can either turn off the 
engine or add water to the radiator with the car running.  If you turn off 
an overheated engine, the heat in the coolant that's no longer circulating 
will rise to the head and possibly crack it.  Of course, if your car is 
overheating because coolant can't circulate, like if the thermostat is stuck 
shut or the water pump belt is gone, then no amount of water over the 
radiator is going to do you any good and you should turn off the engine as 
soon as possible.

The difference between running temperatures for early and late Bs is partly 
the tuning and partly the thermostat.  When Bs had to pass more stringent 
smog laws, they were set to run with the timing retarded which causes a car 
to run hotter.  Also, the thermostats were changed from 180 degrees to 190 
degrees.  At the same time, the temperature gauges were changed to have no 
numbers on them.  MG was worried that people would be upset if they knew 
that their cars were always running above the boiling point of water.  With 
a 180 degree thermostat, my '67 runs at 185 and with a 160 degree 
thermostat, my car runs at 185.  It just takes longer to get there.

Denise Thorpe


PaulH. asked:

The question still stands, just how hot does it have to be to have an MGB in 
good condition boil over?



From barrie at look.ca  Tue Mar 10 18:15:13 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Flushing the cooling system?
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Okay. okay enough already..  I  have  1935 M MG with a 2lb thermostat 
and filled with monastic phlegm that never even got hot going through 
the gates of hell (oh god, those who are religious want that in 
"Hell").   So can we just drop this subject please?  Sorry folks but 
it has been a hard day - and I apologise in advance - so no replies please


At 08:05 PM 3/10/2009, Matt Trebelhorn wrote:
>No offense intended -- and your car certainly looks to be in good shape.
>
>I would put it down to the first half of my comment -- I suggested
>that it might be incredibly hard to do, but you work you car, well,
>incredibly hard!  And more power to you.
>
>Between the two of us, we have a couple of data points that start to
>answer the original question.
>
>I get no boil-over when lapping at 95F, with a redline of ~6400; or
>cruising at 110F.
>Eric gets boil-over when racing at 110F+, with a redline of 7000.
>
>So somewhere in there is a threshold -- where we might agree that a
>good car, used hard enough, will boil over.
>
>Matt
>enough bench racing -- hoping to shake off the long winter next week
>and go for a drive!
>
>On 10 Mar, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Eric Erickson wrote:
>>Matt Trebelhorn wrote:
>>>I think it would be incredibly difficult to get an MGB in good
>>>condition to boil over.
>>But of course that statement then suggests, plainly,  that if your
>>car boils then it is not in good condition and answers any argument
>>against it.
>>I think my car is generally in pretty "good condition" (well, not
>>right now because I have a split in the top tank of the radiator)
>>but I can assure you that driving for six or seven minutes with the
>>foot planted on the floor and significant amounts of times at 6500
>>to 7000 in 110F+ temperatures WILL get you dumping fluid.
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From dannyvarnado at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 14:51:12 2009
From: dannyvarnado at cox.net (dannyvarnado)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:51:12 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
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I took an old clutch MC cap and connected a hose fitting to it.  I connect 
the Mighty Vac to the hose fitting and draw the fluid up from the slave 
cylinder into the MC.  Works great, used the procedure several times.
Danny V.
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'79 MGB


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>I have read with interest the discussion on the Eezi Bleed pressurized tool 
>for one-man/woman brake bleeding. Seems to me it might be easier and 
>potentially less messy to use a vacuum pump. Has anyone had any experience 
>with the Mity Vac vacuum bleeder?
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar 12 01:47:35 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:47:35 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Mity vac
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You need some method of putting fluid into the slave for that to work, which is messy both ends, and suction is likely to pull air past the threads of the slave nipple which defeats the object.  If you want to reverse fill or bleed the clutch, which *is* by far the easiest way of doing it, it is much easier to connect a tube between the slave and right caliper nipples (they are the same size), open both, then operate the brake pedal slowly and gently.  If only bleeding remember to remove some fluid from the clutch first to prevent overflow.

PaulH.
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  I took an old clutch MC cap and connected a hose fitting to it.  I connect 
  the Mighty Vac to the hose fitting and draw the fluid up from the slave 
  cylinder into the MC.
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From sdesalvo at frontiernet.net  Thu Mar 12 11:12:01 2009
From: sdesalvo at frontiernet.net (Sam DeSalvo)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Andrex Shocks
Message-ID: <D77A46935BA949139E0EC0CA33B9C9CD@VALUEDECECF7F4>

I am looking for a pair of Andrex Shocks as fitted to TD Mark II models. Also looking for a pair of the connecting arms that attach the Andrex Shocks to the front suspension.
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From guinness at stclegal.com  Thu Mar 12 11:50:48 2009
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:50:48 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Bleeding the Clutch Slave Cylinder
Message-ID: <49B95988.9090004@stclegal.com>

With all the discussion about various methods of bleeding the clutch 
slave cylinder, I was surprise that no one mentioned Moss TV's online 
video showing a rather clever technique.  Although I am a fan of the 
University Motor's instructional videos, Moss' videos, starring "Mr. 
Hands" are also informative.   Here is the link:

http://www.mossmotors.com/sitegraphics/pages/mosstv/mosstv_clutch.html

*http://tinyurl.com/ce4ft8*
-- 
Robert Guinness
1961 MGA
1975 Midget
1977 MGB

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Mar 15 06:17:28 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:17:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... HELP! anyone near Dublin?
In-Reply-To: <D6D5E38C1A954D5284F421B2EE306B18@alanlarson>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKELECMAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Listers (& a few direct mails), this has NOT gotten resolved and Alan
(Frogeye pilot) could use some help !!!!

If you have any contacts or ideas (mine are BELOW Alan's note) PLEASE send
to him and not clog up the Lists!!
*****
If anyone lives near Dublin, Ireland, please contact me off list at
alan.larson at mchsi.com
My fiancee is stranded at the airport, and is in dire need of assistance.
Thanks in advance!
Alan in Iowa City
*****
mine:
<<i have no way to call internationally.>>
Huh??  No Hard-wire phone??
    Haveyou tried calling:
   Dept. of State??
Irish Embassy in D.C.??
Irish Consulate in Chi??
Dublin Airport Police??
Telling AA you prob and see if they can contact their folks at
Dublin Airport??
Dublin Police??
   OTTOMH, dat's all I can quickly think of.  <F>

From mgmagnette at aol.com  Mon Mar 16 14:22:43 2009
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (mgmagnette at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:22:43 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Bargain Black Beauty (Sandblast Media)
Message-ID: <8CB74947A70BF9F-CD4-779@WEBMAIL-DY02.sysops.aol.com>

If anyone is in New Hampshire or Massachusetts and wants to split a pallet of Black Beauty Coal Slag Sandblast Media, let me know.? I was buying this for like $7 per 50# bag, but apparently you can get it right at the plant in Bow NH for $2.58 if you buy 100 bags.? Thats an insane amount of coal slag, but maybe if some locals want to split it up it would be do-able?? Sorry cannot deliver...? unless you want to pay $7 a bag :)

-John

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Mar 16 18:31:17 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:31:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Bargain Black Beauty (Sandblast Media)
In-Reply-To: <8CB74947A70BF9F-CD4-779@WEBMAIL-DY02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJGEONCMAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<unless you want to pay $7 a bag :)>>

Might be of help if you told us WHERE you are shipping FROM, John !!<G>

Besides, enquiring minds NEED to know what in the WORLD are you doing
that calls for that MUCH 'Black Beauty'???  I know a commercial blaster
near me and a] he rarely uses the stuff, and b] when he does he still has
never used anything near even a half pallet ('59 Caddy Limo body shell<G>)!!

Ed

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 19 05:12:50 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] OT: Hell Freezes Over: Jaguar #1 in Reliability!
Message-ID: <435385.72667.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090319/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_dependability_9

Amazing.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/

From wbmcleod at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 11:19:09 2009
From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (Bill McLeod)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB crankshaft -- Free!!
Message-ID: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com>

I have a tested crack-free crankshaft that is -.010 on the mains and 
-.030 on the rods.  I know it can be turned to -.040, but I am not about 
to sell it on ebay.  Anyone who wants it for the shipping ($30 - $40) 
can have it.  Shoot me an email off list!  Thanks, Bill

Slightly Classics
Tucson, AZ

From twobees at sprynet.com  Thu Mar 19 11:26:11 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:26:11 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Re.: Hell Freezes Over: Jaguar #1 in Reliability!
Message-ID: <008501c9a8c0$2e5e02b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Truly amazing.

My wife test-drove an XF last Saturday at Amelia Island.  It is a very
interesting car.  And, as the lease on her BMW winds down, we're starting to
look around for a replacement.  She liked the XF except for the over-powered
steering.  (She's finally adopting my philosophy of maximum feedback with no
numb inputs.)  A couple of neighbors have Jags (XJ, XF & S-type) all have
had good experience with them.  So, maybe J.D.Power is correct.

Norm Sippel

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Mar 19 14:51:30 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:51:30 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MG outperforming Supra
Message-ID: <DC6E96EC7CE441F19D2EBFDBAEF7E562@uw471de61b465c>

Great movie. Most impressive, because the LBC outperforms the big Jap.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=MG++burnout&n=21&ei=utf-8&js=1&fr=
yfp-t-501&fr2=tab-web&tnr=20&vid=000167588873

Cheers,

Hans
71 BGT

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 14:56:46 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:56:46 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MG outperforming Supra
Message-ID: <cfc.510b7e6c.36f4199e@aol.com>

Actually the Japanese element is inside the MGC - the engine.  The  
competition is American - GTO.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 2:52:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
h.duinhoven at planet.nl writes:

Great  movie. Most impressive, because the LBC outperforms the big  Jap.

From don at napanet.net  Thu Mar 19 19:16:36 2009
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:16:36 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com>
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net>

          Subject:   A car buddy sent this to me.   Very interesting- worth 
a look.



          What do you think of this?  Here's a new unbelievable copy 
machine.  The old machinists never would have believed this product.

  <http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c>http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c 
<http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c>





Don Scott
1962 MGA Mk II
1973 MGB GT
1991 Miata BRG
1962 TR4 (seeking)
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/2009
2:07 PM

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 20:56:17 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:56:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net>
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com>
	<6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com>

That is really cool. I wonder if I could sneak that in our NAS order...

On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, don wrote:

>          Subject:   A car buddy sent this to me.   Very interesting-  
> worth
> a look.
>
>
>
>          What do you think of this?  Here's a new unbelievable copy
> machine.  The old machinists never would have believed this product.
>
>  <http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c 
> >http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
> <http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c 
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Scott
> 1962 MGA Mk II
> 1973 MGB GT
> 1991 Miata BRG
> 1962 TR4 (seeking)
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date:  
> 03/15/2009
> 2:07 PM
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 20 02:32:14 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:32:14 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG outperforming Supra
References: <DC6E96EC7CE441F19D2EBFDBAEF7E562@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <148E6BC1C5D4412DB6C9D43433722A32@Three>

Seen that before.  I love the way the other car has a team of helpers, does
wheel spinning and test starts while the MG just sits there, but at the off
the MG leaves it for dead and is a length ahead within yards.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Great movie. Most impressive, because the LBC outperforms the big Jap.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 20 02:35:11 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:35:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com><6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net>
	<9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>

Frustrating.  Can someone post tiny urls?  These don't work for me and they
are not wrapped.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Paul Root
  To: don
  Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine


  That is really cool. I wonder if I could sneak that in our NAS order...

  On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, don wrote:

  >          Subject:   A car buddy sent this to me.   Very interesting-
  > worth
  > a look.
  >
  >
  >
  >          What do you think of this?  Here's a new unbelievable copy
  > machine.  The old machinists never would have believed this product.
  >
  >
<http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
  >
>http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
  >
<http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Don Scott
  > 1962 MGA Mk II
  > 1973 MGB GT
  > 1991 Miata BRG
  > 1962 TR4 (seeking)
  > No virus found in this outgoing message.
  > Checked by AVG.
  > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date:
  > 03/15/2009
  > 2:07 PM
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From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Fri Mar 20 03:44:07 2009
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com><6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net><9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com>
	<36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
Message-ID: <AC8454B90E784378A3732C71651C5237@RicksPC>

http://tinyurl.com/d6dfbw

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>; "don" <don at napanet.net>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 05:35
Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine


> Frustrating.  Can someone post tiny urls?  These don't work for me and 
> they
> are not wrapped.
>  ----- Original Message -----

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 20 03:48:04 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:48:04 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com><6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net><9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com><36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
	<AC8454B90E784378A3732C71651C5237@RicksPC>
Message-ID: <1B075D08A82C49DF996CD5F23722E66E@Three>

Hmmm, still just get nothing but 'Done' in the status bar.  Probably something
to do with my browser or AV settings, but thanks all the same.

Paul.
  ----- Original Message -----


  http://tinyurl.com/d6dfbw

  Rick

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
  To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>; "don" <don at napanet.net>
  Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 05:35
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine


  > Frustrating.  Can someone post tiny urls?  These don't work for me and
  > they
  > are not wrapped.
  >  ----- Original Message -----
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 20 04:46:04 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <1B075D08A82C49DF996CD5F23722E66E@Three>
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com><6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net><9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com><36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
	<AC8454B90E784378A3732C71651C5237@RicksPC>
	<1B075D08A82C49DF996CD5F23722E66E@Three>
Message-ID: <777479.33257.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Paul, try this - http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641

If that doesn't work, go to www.jaylenosgarage.com , go to the video section and it's there.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: Rick Brown <mgrick at mgcars.org.uk>; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:48:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine

Hmmm, still just get nothing but 'Done' in the status bar.  Probably something
to do with my browser or AV settings, but thanks all the same.

Paul.
  ----- Original Message -----


  http://tinyurl.com/d6dfbw

  Rick

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
  To: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>; "don" <don at napanet.net>
  Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 05:35
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine


  > Frustrating.  Can someone post tiny urls?  These don't work for me and
  > they
  > are not wrapped.
  >  ----- Original Message -----
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 20 08:02:02 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:02:02 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com><6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net><9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com><36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
	<AC8454B90E784378A3732C71651C5237@RicksPC>
	<1B075D08A82C49DF996CD5F23722E66E@Three>
	<777479.33257.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A650596DB266487A9F147A3F5D85357F@Three>

Thanks, that did work.  It was posted a couple of weeks ago, possibly
somewhere else.  Copying a component part I can believe, but copying an
assembly with bearings and goodness knows what based on an external scan is
where I suspend my belief.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Paul, try this -
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641

From barrie at look.ca  Fri Mar 20 07:50:36 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:50:36 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
References: <49C28C9D.6040907@gmail.com>
	<6.0.3.0.1.20090319181223.0379b968@pop.napanet.net>
	<9E63559F-06CA-42B0-A611-7DB08CC03E18@gmail.com>
	<36FEC5369D374C60AA14D3028A099C97@Three>
Message-ID: <E1LkgY7-0008Al-1z@theta.look.ca>

If one goes to www.tinyurl.com  .....and be careful you get the 
address right!! .....there you can reduce those long strings

At 05:35 AM 3/20/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Frustrating.  Can someone post tiny urls?  These don't work for me and they
>are not wrapped.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paul Root
>   To: don
>   Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine
>
>
>   That is really cool. I wonder if I could sneak that in our NAS order...
>
>   On Mar 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, don wrote:
>
>   >          Subject:   A car buddy sent this to me.   Very interesting-
>   > worth
>   > a look.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >          What do you think of this?  Here's a new unbelievable copy
>   > machine.  The old machinists never would have believed this product.
>   >
>   >
><http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
>9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
>   >
> >http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
>9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
>   >
><http://widgets.nbc.com/o/47f1317f105123ad/49930a9fc57c735f/47fe70d4555df05a/
>9b5b999b/-cpid/ba4377d3bfd6c
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Don Scott
>   > 1962 MGA Mk II
>   > 1973 MGB GT
>   > 1991 Miata BRG
>   > 1962 TR4 (seeking)
>   > No virus found in this outgoing message.
>   > Checked by AVG.
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>   > 03/15/2009
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From mgmagnette at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 08:57:02 2009
From: mgmagnette at aol.com (mgmagnette)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:57:02 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Lord Nuffield gets a shout out in The Economist
Message-ID: <00548bb0.688a.4576.82df.cf004fa8aa13@aol.com>

Didn't realize C.S. Lewis held any animosity towards the Morris!


A special report on entrepreneurship
An idea whose time has come
Mar 12th 2009
>From The Economist print edition
...SNIP...


Britainbs Oxford University used to nurture one of the longest traditions of anti-entrepreneurial prejudice in the world. The dons valued bgentlemanlyb subjects such as classics or philosophy over anything that smacked of butilityb. (bHe gets degrees in making jam/at Liverpool and Birmingham,b went one popular ditty.) The students dreamed of careers in the civil service or the law rather than business, still less entrepreneurship. bHow I hate that man,b was the writer C.S. Lewisbs tart comment on Lord Nuffield, his citybs greatest entrepreneur and his universitybs most generous benefactor.

...SNIP...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 20 09:17:56 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:17:56 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Lord Nuffield gets a shout out in The Economist
References: <00548bb0.688a.4576.82df.cf004fa8aa13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15CB2EC036F3445A9ABABB0E53382E2C@Three>

Must have been frightened by one as a child ...
  ----- Original Message -----


  Didn't realize C.S. Lewis held any animosity towards the Morris!

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 20 10:01:49 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:01:49 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <A650596DB266487A9F147A3F5D85357F@Three>
Message-ID: <C5E91A0D.1F306%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, yeah, obviously the devices with partially-hidden components were
completely rendered in CAD, then sent to the prototyper. The scanner and the
prototyper are two different systems.

The multiple-part working assemblies are just "show off" pieces, or
proof-of-concept prototypes. Clearly, it is not useful to create a
"functioning" steam engine out of low-impact plastic.

What gets lost in the hype is that this is a prototyping system, not a
manufacturing system. When it has the ability to make parts out of steel (or
at least aluminum), then it would truly be a "copy machine" for car parts.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/20/09 8:02 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Thanks, that did work.  It was posted a couple of weeks ago, possibly
> somewhere else.  Copying a component part I can believe, but copying an
> assembly with bearings and goodness knows what based on an external scan is
> where I suspend my belief.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 20 10:06:31 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Lord Nuffield gets a shout out in The Economist
In-Reply-To: <15CB2EC036F3445A9ABABB0E53382E2C@Three>
Message-ID: <C5E91B27.1F308%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hmm, C.S. was 12 when the motor manufacturer was founded. Still, I'm sure a
1910 Morris could be quite frightening...

More likely he owned one!



on 3/20/09 9:17 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Must have been frightened by one as a child ...
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   Didn't realize C.S. Lewis held any animosity towards the Morris!
> _______________________________________________

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From mike at sportscarslimited.net  Fri Mar 20 10:18:51 2009
From: mike at sportscarslimited.net (Michael Singleton)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:18:51 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <C5E91A0D.1F306%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87CDC1302DD54331ABF26C92C10ED74E@scloffice>

What you may have missed was the comment that the piece, once approved of,
could be sent to a CNC machining center, as a program, and manufaactured
from that. Or, if needed as a casting the part could be used to create a
casting mold.

I think that it is a really neat concept.

Mike 


Michael Singleton
Sportscars Ltd
10170 Croydon Way
Suite M
Sacramento, CA 95826
 
(916)366-0330
mike at sportscarslimited.net
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:02 AM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine

Well, yeah, obviously the devices with partially-hidden components were
completely rendered in CAD, then sent to the prototyper. The scanner and the
prototyper are two different systems.

The multiple-part working assemblies are just "show off" pieces, or
proof-of-concept prototypes. Clearly, it is not useful to create a
"functioning" steam engine out of low-impact plastic.

What gets lost in the hype is that this is a prototyping system, not a
manufacturing system. When it has the ability to make parts out of steel (or
at least aluminum), then it would truly be a "copy machine" for car parts.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/20/09 8:02 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Thanks, that did work.  It was posted a couple of weeks ago, possibly 
> somewhere else.  Copying a component part I can believe, but copying 
> an assembly with bearings and goodness knows what based on an external 
> scan is where I suspend my belief.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
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From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Mar 20 11:50:13 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:50:13 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <87CDC1302DD54331ABF26C92C10ED74E@scloffice>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJIEGPCNAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I think that it is a really neat concept.>>

Absolutely, Mike !

And I'm glad somebody else LISTENED<G>!!

Ed

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 20 11:17:30 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:17:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <87CDC1302DD54331ABF26C92C10ED74E@scloffice>
Message-ID: <C5E92BCA.1F317%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

No, I missed nothing. That is precisely what I meant by "prototyping".

A lot of the commentary gives the impression that this system enables you to
create workable duplicate machine parts. That is not precisely true. What it
does is enable you to produce either the CAD/CNC data or a positive mold for
a machine part -- not the same thing.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/20/09 10:18 AM, Michael Singleton at mike at sportscarslimited.net wrote:

> What you may have missed was the comment that the piece, once approved of,
> could be sent to a CNC machining center, as a program, and manufaactured
> from that. Or, if needed as a casting the part could be used to create a
> casting mold.
> 
> I think that it is a really neat concept.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> Michael Singleton
> Sportscars Ltd
> 10170 Croydon Way
> Suite M
> Sacramento, CA 95826
>  
> (916)366-0330
> mike at sportscarslimited.net
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Max Heim
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: MG List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] unusual machine
> 
> Well, yeah, obviously the devices with partially-hidden components were
> completely rendered in CAD, then sent to the prototyper. The scanner and the
> prototyper are two different systems.
> 
> The multiple-part working assemblies are just "show off" pieces, or
> proof-of-concept prototypes. Clearly, it is not useful to create a
> "functioning" steam engine out of low-impact plastic.
> 
> What gets lost in the hype is that this is a prototyping system, not a
> manufacturing system. When it has the ability to make parts out of steel (or
> at least aluminum), then it would truly be a "copy machine" for car parts.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> 
> 
> 
> on 3/20/09 8:02 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, that did work.  It was posted a couple of weeks ago, possibly
>> somewhere else.  Copying a component part I can believe, but copying
>> an assembly with bearings and goodness knows what based on an external
>> scan is where I suspend my belief.
>> 
>> PaulH.
>>   ----- Original Message -----

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Mar 21 02:48:52 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:48:52 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <87CDC1302DD54331ABF26C92C10ED74E@scloffice>
Message-ID: <B4AED31B15B04CAF879C930A7F64C56E@Three>

I don't have a problem in component scan data being sent to any number of
machines whether for prototyping in plastic or production in metal, there is
nothing new in that, it's been used to reproduce human skulls in plastic e.g.
of mummies or decomposed bodies for facial reconstruction and Formula 1 parts
production for some years.  What I don't see is how the beams can scan inside
assembled bearings and meshed gears and the like.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  What you may have missed was the comment that the piece, once approved of,
  could be sent to a CNC machining center, as a program, and manufaactured
  from that. Or, if needed as a casting the part could be used to create a
  casting mold.

  I think that it is a really neat concept.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 21 15:24:25 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:24:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <B4AED31B15B04CAF879C930A7F64C56E@Three>
Message-ID: <C5EAB729.1F375%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

They don't. The video editing mashed-up two different processes.

One, the scanner scans a simple, single object, and the prototyper
reproduces it in plastic.

Two, the prototyper pops out an multi-part assembly, but this was NOT
scanned -- it was entered as CAD data. Notice that they did not show this
item being scanned. It was sloppiness on the part of the producer that this
point was not clarified; but, as you might have noticed, it was all kind of
semi-scripted, "reality TV" style.



on 3/21/09 2:48 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> I don't have a problem in component scan data being sent to any number of
> machines whether for prototyping in plastic or production in metal, there is
> nothing new in that, it's been used to reproduce human skulls in plastic e.g.
> of mummies or decomposed bodies for facial reconstruction and Formula 1 parts
> production for some years.  What I don't see is how the beams can scan inside
> assembled bearings and meshed gears and the like.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   What you may have missed was the comment that the piece, once approved of,
>   could be sent to a CNC machining center, as a program, and manufaactured
>   from that. Or, if needed as a casting the part could be used to create a
>   casting mold.
> 
>   I think that it is a really neat concept.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 22 03:38:21 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:38:21 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
References: <C5EAB729.1F375%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <B09DD9A9707249D9830D0A78488F30E3@Three>

Well that's the other half of the problem.  Doesn't matter how the data was
created, are you saying the prototyper is capable of producing entire
assemblies including ready assembled bearings and meshed gears???
  ----- Original Message -----
  Two, the prototyper pops out an multi-part assembly, but this was NOT
  scanned -- it was entered as CAD data.

From guinness at stclegal.com  Sun Mar 22 04:02:47 2009
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA axle carrier threads
Message-ID: <49C61AD7.6060507@stclegal.com>

Well, the axle carrier threads for the hub nut on my MGA 1600 are 
totally knackered. It looks like the threads were compressed and the 
outside edge flared out.  (When removing the nut, an interior thread of 
the nut peeled off.)   I tried a universal thread chaser.  I also tied 
Barney Gaylord's suggestion of cutting a nut, sliding it over the 
threads, clamping it back together and turning it back and forth.  I 
still cannot start the nut (its a LH  nut with LH axle threads). What 
are my options?
-- 
Robert Guinness

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun Mar 22 04:28:10 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:28:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA axle carrier threads
In-Reply-To: <49C61AD7.6060507@stclegal.com>
References: <49C61AD7.6060507@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <20090322122706.D3415187643@autox.team.net>

At 06:02 AM 3/22/2009 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote:
>Well, the axle carrier threads for the hub nut on my MGA 1600 are 
>totally knackered. .... I tried a universal thread chaser.  I also 
>tied Barney Gaylord's suggestion of cutting a nut, sliding it over 
>the threads, clamping it back together and turning it back and 
>forth.  I still cannot start the nut (its a LH  nut with LH axle 
>threads). What are my options?

If you cannot start the nut then you need to chase the threads some 
more.  In particular, file or grind any burrs off of the first 
thread, and put a little chamfer on it, then chase the threrads 
again.  The only reason a nut won't start is because of a buggered 
thread with burrs or excess material above the nominal thread 
surface.  A thread chaser should always be able to remove enough 
materail to clean it up so a nut will start and run free.

Once you get the nut to run free the condition of the remaining 
thread may need some consideration as to whether it is serviceable (or not).

From pchast at francomm.com  Sun Mar 22 09:06:12 2009
From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:06:12 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGA axle carrier threads
In-Reply-To: <20090322122706.D3415187643@autox.team.net>
References: <49C61AD7.6060507@stclegal.com>
	<20090322122706.D3415187643@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <op.uq7a0qdnsjevdj@66-109-47-195.dialup.francomm.com>

Has anyone suggested that the nut is dammaged? check the lead threads on  
the nut and stud side carefully. You may need to file off and open the  
first 1/4 of a thread. Don't go so far that you loose a signifficant part  
of the nut's 'hold'.

Pete

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:28:10 -0800, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>  
wrote:

>
> At 06:02 AM 3/22/2009 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote:
>> Well, the axle carrier threads for the hub nut on my MGA 1600 are  
>> totally knackered. .... I tried a universal thread chaser.  I also tied  
>> Barney Gaylord's suggestion of cutting a nut, sliding it over the  
>> threads, clamping it back together and turning it back and forth.  I  
>> still cannot start the nut (its a LH  nut with LH axle threads). What  
>> are my options?
>
> If you cannot start the nut then you need to chase the threads some  
> more.  In particular, file or grind any burrs off of the first thread,  
> and put a little chamfer on it, then chase the threrads again.  The only  
> reason a nut won't start is because of a buggered thread with burrs or  
> excess material above the nominal thread surface.  A thread chaser  
> should always be able to remove enough materail to clean it up so a nut  
> will start and run free.

Snip..


-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Mar 22 07:49:36 2009
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:49:36 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: unusual machine
References: <B09DD9A9707249D9830D0A78488F30E3@Three>
Message-ID: <E95EAFBB-98B9-45A4-9F33-084683940CCF@panix.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> Well that's the other half of the problem.  Doesn't matter how the  
> data was
> created, are you saying the prototyper is capable of producing entire
> assemblies including ready assembled bearings and meshed gears???

Actually, in that specific case, Jay said it is.  I don't want to re- 
watch to catch the exact words, but  the short answer is that it can  
use multiple types of materials to build up a part.  When building an  
assembly, it will use a dissolvable plastic in combination with  
plastic that is resilient to build up moving parts.  Then, dissolve  
out the bits that lock the assembly together and you have assembled  
components.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 08:43:09 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <E95EAFBB-98B9-45A4-9F33-084683940CCF@panix.com>
References: <B09DD9A9707249D9830D0A78488F30E3@Three>
	<E95EAFBB-98B9-45A4-9F33-084683940CCF@panix.com>
Message-ID: <0802F997-2870-4282-91B4-47E38FE3BF06@gmail.com>

He also says that it will back stuff ready for casting. And that his  
steam engine valve is essentially worthless.

On Mar 22, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> Well that's the other half of the problem.  Doesn't matter how the  
>> data was
>> created, are you saying the prototyper is capable of producing entire
>> assemblies including ready assembled bearings and meshed gears???
>
> Actually, in that specific case, Jay said it is.  I don't want to re- 
> watch to catch the exact words, but  the short answer is that it can  
> use multiple types of materials to build up a part.  When building  
> an assembly, it will use a dissolvable plastic in combination with  
> plastic that is resilient to build up moving parts.  Then, dissolve  
> out the bits that lock the assembly together and you have assembled  
> components.
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 22 10:17:28 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
References: <20090204.094237.2108.2.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>

i noticed there are usb turntables, and DAK claims it has a mixer and 
software.

anyone btdt?

thanks! 

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Mar 22 12:57:21 2009
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:57:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGC overdrive
Message-ID: <002701c9ab28$6b2024c0$41606e40$@com>

Anyone know where the switch is for the overdrive on an MGC-GT? 

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun Mar 22 14:04:33 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:04:33 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGC overdrive
Message-ID: <bce.41627451.36f801e1@aol.com>

Steering column stalk.
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 22/03/2009 11:58:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
wsthompson at thicko.com writes:

Anyone  know where the switch is for the overdrive on an MGC-GT?  

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 22 14:11:22 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:11:22 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <B09DD9A9707249D9830D0A78488F30E3@Three>
Message-ID: <C5EBF78A.1F3A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yeah, it can. I'm sure there is a limit to the complexity attainable, but
that is what it does.

I'm not sure precisely how this brand operates, but one way it works is by
starting with a vat of heat-hardening transparent plastic. Then three
lasers, one each in the x,y and z axes, focus on a single spot, which heats
it enough to harden instantly. Controlled by computer, the lasers scan the
three-dimensional volume of the liquid, hardening only those areas occupied
by a solid in the "model". These solid parts do not have to be contiguous.

When done, the excess liquid is washed away, revealing the assembled object.

It may be done with a powder instead of a liquid, or a "soft" solid.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/22/09 3:38 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Well that's the other half of the problem.  Doesn't matter how the data was
> created, are you saying the prototyper is capable of producing entire
> assemblies including ready assembled bearings and meshed gears???
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   Two, the prototyper pops out an multi-part assembly, but this was NOT
>   scanned -- it was entered as CAD data.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 22 14:14:13 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:14:13 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

What are you trying to do? DJ?

One use for USB turntables is to digitally record music from LPs.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/22/09 10:17 AM, oliver at sumton at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> i noticed there are usb turntables, and DAK claims it has a mixer and
> software.
> 
> anyone btdt?
> 
> thanks! 

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sun Mar 22 22:23:47 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:53:47 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <C5EBF78A.1F3A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C5EBF78A.1F3A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49C71CE3.6080907@erickson.on.net>

Max Heim wrote:
> Yeah, it can. I'm sure there is a limit to the complexity attainable, but
> that is what it does.
> 
> I'm not sure precisely how this brand operates, but one way it works is by
> starting with a vat of heat-hardening transparent plastic. Then three
> lasers, one each in the x,y and z axes, focus on a single spot, which heats
> it enough to harden instantly. Controlled by computer, the lasers scan the
> three-dimensional volume of the liquid, hardening only those areas occupied
> by a solid in the "model". These solid parts do not have to be contiguous.
> 
> When done, the excess liquid is washed away, revealing the assembled object.
> 
> It may be done with a powder instead of a liquid, or a "soft" solid.
> 


Sorry, I came in late (and we don't see "leno" here).

I assume this is the machine you are talking about?

http://www.dimensionprinting.com/



Eric

From eric at erickson.on.net  Mon Mar 23 03:46:59 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:16:59 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Shopping for votes.
Message-ID: <49C768A3.3@erickson.on.net>

OK, it is a little embarrassing but I am shopping for some votes for a 
little competition I have entered.  The prize for winning would be 
rather awesome so I will swallow my pride.

Check out this little video and some lame prose (well, you could ignore 
both, I wouldn't be fussed... really :-)

THEN "rate" my entry.

No, don't seriously rate it... just give it five stars and lets get a 
little four cylinder, old, British car up above all these musclebound 
beasts!


http://tinyurl.com/csk8q8

I am heading off to work trackside (as I do every year) at the Melbourne 
F1GP so I will not have much time over the next few days before the 
competition finishes to manipulate the votes, so you guys will have to 
do it for me.

Vote early - vote often (if you have a few machines and/or browsers) and 
tell your friends.


:-)

I will skulk off now.

Thanks,



Eric

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Mon Mar 23 05:00:49 2009
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:00:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Shopping for votes.
References: <49C768A3.3@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <88E81C1FA6B24BC4A906795F76540538@RicksPC>

Eric 

I Just moved you up to three stars!

Rick 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Erickson" <eric at erickson.on.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 06:46
Subject: [Mgs] Shopping for votes.


> OK, it is a little embarrassing but I am shopping for some votes for a 
> little competition I have entered.  The prize for winning would be 
> rather awesome so I will swallow my pride.
> 
> Check out this little video and some lame prose (well, you could ignore 
> both, I wouldn't be fussed... really :-)
> 
> THEN "rate" my entry.
> 
> No, don't seriously rate it... just give it five stars and lets get a 
> little four cylinder, old, British car up above all these musclebound 
> beasts!
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/csk8q8
> 
> I am heading off to work trackside (as I do every year) at the Melbourne 
> F1GP so I will not have much time over the next few days before the 
> competition finishes to manipulate the votes, so you guys will have to 
> do it for me.
> 
> Vote early - vote often (if you have a few machines and/or browsers) and 
> tell your friends.
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> I will skulk off now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Eric

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Mar 23 07:22:06 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:22:06 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

The purpose is important here. Digitally recording will end up with a
loss of fidelity, the degree depending on the format you use. Thus I
would generally be wary of usb turntables because they will likely be
constructed with that loss of quality in mind. This may be fine if all
you are doing is converting albums. But if you want to play and listen
to albums as well, you should probably buy a higher quality turntable
9subject to availability) and  hook up your computer's sound card to an
output jack on the receiver/amplifier.

Having said that, I looked for years for a decent turntable for my many
vinyl albums after my Gerard died a few decades ago. But eventually I
ended up replacing many of them by buying newly issued CDs (often
remastered for quality and longer playing with added bonus songs). For
more obscure out of print lps never issued on CDs, I was to locate a few
on the blogosphere in digital format.

I am only an audiophile that likes good varied music so perhaps a
musician in the group can add more comments, I think we have at least
two that may be reading these emails. [I bought the JJ Cale live CD that
Rocky performed on, featured on his signature line a while back]

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:14 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's

What are you trying to do? DJ?

One use for USB turntables is to digitally record music from LPs.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 07:33:19 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:33:19 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
Message-ID: <cb9.459b49ba.36f8f7af@aol.com>

Basic turntables are fairly easily found - Rega makes some inexpensive  
models. 
You'll have to look on the internet though as fewer normal stores carry  them.
 
Try _http://store.acousticsounds.com/_ (http://store.acousticsounds.com/) 
 
Bill
(3 turntables something often spinning)
 
In a message dated 23/03/2009 6:22:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  dcounci
ll at msubillings.edu writes:

Having  said that, I looked for years for a decent turntable for my many
vinyl  albums after my Gerard died a few decades ago. But eventually I
ended up  replacing many of them by buying newly issued CDs (often
remastered for  quality and longer playing with added bonus songs). 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 23 07:28:49 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:28:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Pistons
Message-ID: <76A72874D18549ECBEA0F5AC36D68E96@Three>

What's the thrust face of a piston and why?  I've seen a description of the
what and I think I've sussed out the why, but I'd like the opinions of
others.

PaulH.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 07:48:01 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] on the road
Message-ID: <327F84E1-5C67-4E9B-9CAB-817C5E9A6D4B@gmail.com>

I pulled the MG out of storage yesterday. Tending to under the hood  
etc. It started right up as always, after pulling the plugs
and getting oil pressure up.

Plugs look good. I think I need to check timing. It might be time to  
adjust the valves.

I think I forgot to put the cover back on over the battery. Hmm.

Left a message with my new insurance agent. Took it for an around the  
block. Everything feels good.

Of course, this all means that it's raining today. Looks like the  
whole week will be bad. Last week was beautiful. I had no time.

Saturday, I just finished the house project that I slated for January.  
My February mountain bike project went a head on schedule.
But this means my March, sand, prep and paint the new hood (nee  
bonnet), is woefully behind schedule.

I have a modest list of things I won't get to on the car this  
year. :-) Seems, I've volunteered to coach my sons baseball team.

a thawing Paul.

From mlambdin at towson.edu  Mon Mar 23 07:50:55 2009
From: mlambdin at towson.edu (Lambdin, Mike)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <6547B7B3FD05A946BD7B10537B38AC0877654F0ABD@OAK.towson.edu>

Dave,

Being an audiophile, like yourself, I recommend that you check out TTs by
Music Hall as well as Pro-Ject as well as Rega, as Bill mentioned. All three
brands have a variety from which to choose. (I, myself, own a Music Hall
MMF-5.1.) No matter which of these brands you purchase you'll be getting a
worthwhile TT.

Mike Lambdin

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Councill, David
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:22 AM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's

The purpose is important here. Digitally recording will end up with a
loss of fidelity, the degree depending on the format you use. Thus I
would generally be wary of usb turntables because they will likely be
constructed with that loss of quality in mind. This may be fine if all
you are doing is converting albums. But if you want to play and listen
to albums as well, you should probably buy a higher quality turntable
9subject to availability) and  hook up your computer's sound card to an
output jack on the receiver/amplifier.

Having said that, I looked for years for a decent turntable for my many
vinyl albums after my Gerard died a few decades ago. But eventually I
ended up replacing many of them by buying newly issued CDs (often
remastered for quality and longer playing with added bonus songs). For
more obscure out of print lps never issued on CDs, I was to locate a few
on the blogosphere in digital format.

I am only an audiophile that likes good varied music so perhaps a
musician in the group can add more comments, I think we have at least
two that may be reading these emails. [I bought the JJ Cale live CD that
Rocky performed on, featured on his signature line a while back]

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:14 PM
To: MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's

What are you trying to do? DJ?

One use for USB turntables is to digitally record music from LPs.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
You are subscribed as mlambdin at towson.edu


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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 23 07:57:47 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:57:47 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Pistons
In-Reply-To: <76A72874D18549ECBEA0F5AC36D68E96@Three>
References: <76A72874D18549ECBEA0F5AC36D68E96@Three>
Message-ID: <9f2527520903230757i47b42f0dy7c798d15c1520356@mail.gmail.com>

Picture a piston half-way down the cylinder, during the power stroke.
Pressure from the burning fuel pushes straight down on the piston.  The
conrod is reacting this force; however, the conrod is at an angle, so the
(compressive) load in the conrod is also pushing the side of the piston
against the cylinder wall.  This side of the piston is therefore the thrust
side.

Looking from the front of an engine, it spins clockwise (apart from, I
think, some Japanese engines - but let's not go there!).  Therefore, during
the power stroke, the big end of the conrod is over to the right of the
engine centre.  Its compressive load is therefore pushing the piston over to
the left, so the left side of the piston is the thrust face.

I hope this explanation makes sense to everyone!!

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

2009/3/23 Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>

> What's the thrust face of a piston and why?  I've seen a description of the
> what and I think I've sussed out the why, but I'd like the opinions of
> others.
>
> PaulH.
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Mar 23 08:04:46 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:04:46 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <6547B7B3FD05A946BD7B10537B38AC0877654F0ABD@OAK.towson.edu>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local><C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<6547B7B3FD05A946BD7B10537B38AC0877654F0ABD@OAK.towson.edu>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD2@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Well I was only responding to someone else who was asking about USB
turntables. This just blows me away - I gave up on turntables probably a
decade ago. I thought they pretty much had died off and turntables had
been relegated to antique status. But Bill's link shows that vinyl
albums are still being released so vinyl still lives.

It is certainly not an item of priority on my list but I might have to
look at this in the not too far future. I am in the process of acquiring
a 73B that will need extensive restoration work and that will tie up a
lot of my time and money for a while. Plus I need to get my other MGs
out and ready. I did drive the 67BGT the last couple of days but it is
snowing today with an 1" layer on the car this morning. The 72B is in
the garage and hasn't been driven since a warm spell maybe five or six
weeks ago.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: Lambdin, Mike [mailto:mlambdin at towson.edu]
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:51 AM
To: Councill, David; MG List
Subject: RE: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's

Dave,

Being an audiophile, like yourself, I recommend that you check out TTs
by Music Hall as well as Pro-Ject as well as Rega, as Bill mentioned.
All three brands have a variety from which to choose. (I, myself, own a
Music Hall MMF-5.1.) No matter which of these brands you purchase you'll
be getting a worthwhile TT.

Mike Lambdin

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 23 07:51:20 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:20 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local><C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <D0772947178B4F9AA1E9FAE69DABD125@Three>

A couple of years ago we were sitting outside a pub enjoying a pint on a warm
sunny day and someone was showing-off his then new mobile with video, audio
and goodness knows what else (someone else had one with a spirit-level, for
heavens sake).  The audio reproduction was absolutely rubbish, and I thought
to myself, here we are, well over 100 years on and the latest technology, and
we end up with something that sounds like a wax cylinder.  I do mainly listen
to digital these days, but on occasion when I play original vinyl the warmth
and presence is astounding.
  ----- Original Message -----


  ... Digitally recording will end up with a
  loss of fidelity, the degree depending on the format you use.

From jmc987 at verizon.net  Mon Mar 23 08:55:25 2009
From: jmc987 at verizon.net (Joseph Cianciotti)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:55:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Shopping for votes.
Message-ID: <1269123162.444938.1237823725681.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net>


From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 23 09:27:40 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:27:40 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] unusual machine
In-Reply-To: <49C71CE3.6080907@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <C5ED068C.1F407%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

That one or a similar product...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

on 3/22/09 10:23 PM, Eric Erickson at eric at erickson.on.net wrote:

> Max Heim wrote:
>> Yeah, it can. I'm sure there is a limit to the complexity attainable, but
>> that is what it does.
>> 
>> I'm not sure precisely how this brand operates, but one way it works is by
>> starting with a vat of heat-hardening transparent plastic. Then three
>> lasers, one each in the x,y and z axes, focus on a single spot, which heats
>> it enough to harden instantly. Controlled by computer, the lasers scan the
>> three-dimensional volume of the liquid, hardening only those areas occupied
>> by a solid in the "model". These solid parts do not have to be contiguous.
>> 
>> When done, the excess liquid is washed away, revealing the assembled object.
>> 
>> It may be done with a powder instead of a liquid, or a "soft" solid.
>> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I came in late (and we don't see "leno" here).
> 
> I assume this is the machine you are talking about?
> 
> http://www.dimensionprinting.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Eric

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 23 09:54:14 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
Message-ID: <600041.28509.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 3/23/09, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> The
audio reproduction was absolutely
> rubbish, and I thought
> to myself, here
we are, well over 100 years on and the
> latest technology, and
> we end up
with something that sounds like a wax
> cylinder.  

That's my response to
streaming web video.  All these
great technological advancements and people
are watching
video that looks like it did in the 1920s with John
Logie Baird.
USB turntables are mostly junk.  Bad turntable, bad
cartridge, bad preamp, bad
A/D converter.  Better to
buy a turntable at a garage sale, and get a new
cartridge from someplace like BSW.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 23 09:57:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:57:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Pistons
References: <76A72874D18549ECBEA0F5AC36D68E96@Three>
	<9f2527520903230757i47b42f0dy7c798d15c1520356@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7A6E12C484D4B778CA6B5F91412F235@Three>

Thanks, that was the conclusion I had come to.  However since then I've seen
an even simpler description, which is that when half way down on the expansion
stroke the centre-line of the con-rod is pointing at the thrust face.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Picture a piston half-way down the cylinder, during the power stroke.
Pressure from the burning fuel pushes straight down on the piston.  The conrod
is reacting this force; however, the conrod is at an angle, so the
(compressive) load in the conrod is also pushing the side of the piston
against the cylinder wall.  This side of the piston is therefore the thrust
side.

  Looking from the front of an engine, it spins clockwise (apart from, I
think, some Japanese engines - but let's not go there!).  Therefore, during
the power stroke, the big end of the conrod is over to the right of the engine
centre.  Its compressive load is therefore pushing the piston over to the
left, so the left side of the piston is the thrust face.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Mar 23 10:52:53 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:52:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
References: <20090204.094237.2108.2.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <7BCA52F4357A4EAE8F4092A96746803D@uw471de61b465c>

I have a Lenco USB turntable.
It comes with software including mixer.

Not expensive. I rate if available in the USA, it may cost between 60 and 80 
$.


Cheers,

Hans
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:17 PM
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's


>i noticed there are usb turntables, and DAK claims it has a mixer and 
>software.
>
> anyone btdt?
>
> thanks! 

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar 23 12:24:58 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:24:58 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <D0772947178B4F9AA1E9FAE69DABD125@Three>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<D0772947178B4F9AA1E9FAE69DABD125@Three>
Message-ID: <E1Llq0B-0004vr-8H@delta.look.ca>

People are weird!   I listened to someone rabbitting on about how he 
could watch movies on his 
purpleacorn/blacksquashything/telepho-camrah - with tiny 
screen.........I just hated to tell him about cinemas and TV  - so I 
didn't.  But one thing good..........now I know what they mean when 
they say "Let your fingers do the walking"



At 10:51 AM 3/23/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>A couple of years ago we were sitting outside a pub enjoying a pint on a warm
>sunny day and someone was showing-off his then new mobile with video, audio
>and goodness knows what else (someone else had one with a spirit-level, for
>heavens sake).  The audio reproduction was absolutely rubbish, and I thought
>to myself, here we are, well over 100 years on and the latest technology, and
>we end up with something that sounds like a wax cylinder.  I do mainly listen
>to digital these days, but on occasion when I play original vinyl the warmth
>and presence is astounding.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   ... Digitally recording will end up with a
>   loss of fidelity, the degree depending on the format you use.
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From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Mon Mar 23 14:34:06 2009
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:34:06 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <20090323173406.juhi3pqt4wog8wsg@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>

David,
I have to take issue with your sentence on several grounds. The loss  
of fidelity is a function of the encoding method. If you have a  
sampling rate that exceeds the human ability to discriminate  
differences, then you will not be able to tell the difference between  
analog and digital recordings.

I'm not an expert on audiology technology but I believe flac is called  
lossless because its encoding properties fit the above requirement.  
MP3 is not lossless but if you record at 256 kbytes/sec instead of the  
standard 128, then you do exceed the perceptual limitations.

Of course, the size of the file grows commensurately.


Regards,

Bill Saidel
'74MGB, '76MGB
BMCSNJ

Assoc. Prof. Neurobiology
Rutgers University

Quoting "Councill, David" <dcouncill at msubillings.edu>:

> The purpose is important here. Digitally recording will end up with a
> loss of fidelity, the degree depending on the format you use.

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Mar 23 16:43:04 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <20090323173406.juhi3pqt4wog8wsg@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
References: <000201c9ab12$28216cd0$6515a8c0@ranteer.local><C5EBF835.1F3A4%max_heim@sbcglobal.net><4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
	<20090323173406.juhi3pqt4wog8wsg@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F051CAB2E@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Bill

To quote Neil Young on digital music -

We have beautiful computers now but high-resolution music is one of the
missing elements. The ears are the windows to the soul."

However, your issue with my sentence is correct. I screwed up when I
wrote it. I was thinking mp3s when I wrote it but incorrectly referred
to mp3s as digital music in general (and it was early in the morning's
coffee when I wrote it). Granted, mp3 encoding is the primary form is
use today and in the context of the usb turntable, the DAK model is a
mp3 recording turntable. MP3 encoding will result in a loss of quality
(sound depth as I understand it) likely not discernable by most humans
if recorded at 256kb/s or higher. I think I can discern the difference
up to maybe 160 or 192 but then I'm an old guy who spent a lot of time
listening to loud music.

Otherwise, I stand by the context of my previous email along with the
disclaimers. I am only an audiophile.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of saidel at camden.rutgers.edu
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:34 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's

David,
I have to take issue with your sentence on several grounds. The loss
of fidelity is a function of the encoding method. If you have a
sampling rate that exceeds the human ability to discriminate
differences, then you will not be able to tell the difference between
analog and digital recordings.

I'm not an expert on audiology technology but I believe flac is called
lossless because its encoding properties fit the above requirement.
MP3 is not lossless but if you record at 256 kbytes/sec instead of the
standard 128, then you do exceed the perceptual limitations.

Of course, the size of the file grows commensurately.


Regards,

Bill Saidel
'74MGB, '76MGB
BMCSNJ

Assoc. Prof. Neurobiology
Rutgers University

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon Mar 23 19:14:58 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:14:58 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] completely OT - USB Turntables, DAK, CD's and LP's
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCD1@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJMEOPCNAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Having said that, I looked for years for a decent turntable for my many
vinyl albums after my Gerard died a few decades ago.>>

David etal:

I HAVE found a couple GREAT items (including a TT<G>) HERE:

http://www.oaktreeent.com/

NFI, just a very happy customer (that DROOLS a LOT<G>) !!!

Ed

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Mar 23 18:58:17 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:58:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] on the road
In-Reply-To: <327F84E1-5C67-4E9B-9CAB-817C5E9A6D4B@gmail.com>
References: <327F84E1-5C67-4E9B-9CAB-817C5E9A6D4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C83E39.8030707@ktc.com>

Well, I got the B out last Thursday.  Thought we were gonna take a spin
that day.  OOPS! the spare was flat and the valve stem wasn't square in
the hole.  Took it to the tire shop and it turned out that the flat was
one of the road wheels and the spare was on the left front.  <dumb>  So
left it. Went back and they said that they had put the wrong size tube
(wire wheels and I bought the tires from them) in it and it pleated and
failed.  No charge and very apologetic.

   How many tire shops do ya know would have 'fessed up?

   So the day was shot and we went MGB'ing the next day!!  Drove to
Bandera and south to Gov't Canyon.  Going back to camp and hike next
time.  Put 160 miles on the B and drank two tall boys!  The B hummed
like it should.  Got lots of waves and headlight flashes, including
those from the bikers.  Fun, fun, fun!.....  Ah, spring in the hill
country.....

   CR


Paul Root wrote:
 > I pulled the MG out of storage yesterday. T





Paul Root wrote:
> I pulled the MG out of storage yesterday. 

From stargazer1 at cox.net  Tue Mar 24 07:17:50 2009
From: stargazer1 at cox.net (David Ambrose)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:17:50 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Re.: Hell Freezes Over: Jaguar #1 in Reliability!
In-Reply-To: <008501c9a8c0$2e5e02b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
References: <008501c9a8c0$2e5e02b0$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <49C8EB8E.80308@cox.net>

JD Power has an amazing data collection operation. They're also 
extremely dilligent about the quality of their data and analysis. I'd 
believe their numbers in a heartbeat.

Norm 2Bs wrote:
> Truly amazing.
>
> My wife test-drove an XF last Saturday at Amelia Island.  It is a very
> interesting car.  And, as the lease on her BMW winds down, we're starting to
> look around for a replacement.  She liked the XF except for the over-powered
> steering.  (She's finally adopting my philosophy of maximum feedback with no
> numb inputs.)  A couple of neighbors have Jags (XJ, XF & S-type) all have
> had good experience with them.  So, maybe J.D.Power is correct.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 24 07:38:10 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:38:10 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
Message-ID: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>

Go to Google maps and search for "co15 2jp essex".  Might need to put
'England' at the end if outside UK

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 24 07:55:59 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:55:59 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
In-Reply-To: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
Message-ID: <9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!!

I was a little concerned about "Swift Avenue" - surely they wouldn't have
named a street after the Suzuki Swift.  Wikipedia put me right - apparently
there was a car company in Coventry (where else??) called Swift from
1900-31.  I'd never heard of them before!

Maybe MG was rejected because they thought an acronym wouldn't work as a
street name, they wanted something that was more like a word.  But that
wouldn't explain the absence of Jaguar (amongst others).  Maybe the criteria
was pre-war brands - Jag wasn't called Jag 'til after the war.  But Rolls
Royce is still missing...

Wonder if house prices are higher on Bentley Avenue than Hillman Avenue?  I
know which I'd rather live on...

Richard

2009/3/24 Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>

> Go to Google maps and search for "co15 2jp essex".  Might need to put
> 'England' at the end if outside UK
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 24 08:21:37 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
In-Reply-To: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
Message-ID: <469953.69712.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Paul, you have to go to (former British Colony) India for MG Road!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Road

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





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To: mgs at autox.team.net; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:38:10 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?

Go to Google maps and search for "co15 2jp essex".  Might need to put
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Mar 24 09:35:23 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:35:23 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
	<9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>

Visited Coventry Transport Museum a couple of weeks ago.  Do you remember that
Jeremy Clarkson Motorworld (I think) where he bemoaned the loss of so many
British manufacturers and a list scrolled up the screen?  How many were in
that list - 50?  100?  At the entrance to the museum there is a listing of all
the motor, cycle and motor-cycle manufacturers that have been based in
Coventry at one time or another - 600!  Part of the museum is on the site of a
motor factory right in the city centre, but this wasn't a factory for a single
manufacturer, but a series of bays down each side with a different
manufacturer in each one, probably 20 or 30.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ... apparently there was a car company in Coventry (where else??) called
Swift from 1900-31...

From don at napanet.net  Tue Mar 24 12:03:10 2009
From: don at napanet.net (don at napanet.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:03:10 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGB GT songs
In-Reply-To: <2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
	<9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
Message-ID: <1237921390.49c92e6ec4ff8@webmail.napanet.net>

A friend with an MGB GT sent these song lyrics to me.  The song writers must
have really had serious love affairs with their cars!
Don Scott
Calistoga CA
1962 MGA MK II
1973 MGB GT
1991 Miata BRG
1962 TR4 (seeking)  




Written by Richard Thompson 
Appears on  	Mirror Blue   (1994)
Live At Crawley 1993   (1995)
two letter words: live 1994   (1996)
Oh I've got a little car and she might go far
She's the mistress of my heart now
She's a '65 with an overdrive
And I fixed her in every part now
Two in the front and two in the back
110 on the old Hog's Back
My MGB-GT, she's a runner now
MGB-GT
Oh my MGB-GT, she's a runner now

Oh I welded the sills and the old floor pan
Cut the rust with the torch and the hacksaw
Took the Rostyles off, put the spoked wheels on
Got a brand new Salisbury axle
When I come to town the girls all smile
They say "Here's the man with the retro style"
My MGB-GT, she's a runner now
MGB-GT
Oh my MGB-GT, she's a runner now

Lockheed discs and twin SUs
Original chrome on the grille now
She looks like a dream in her racing green
Competition's standing still now
I sprayed up her body, I strenghtened the frame
I stripped her right down and I built her up again

Now an Alpine's fine if you've got the time
And a Healey'll set you back some
And a TR4 costs a little bit more
But it don't have the same attraction
Hard top handy, in case of the weather
I don't care if it rains forever
In my MGB-GT, she's a runner now
MGB-GT
In my MGB-GT, she's a runner now
MGB-GT
In my MGB-GT, she's a runner now





Subject: Lyrics by Peter Tork of the Monkeys

Lately my mind is drifting back
To former days that used to be.
I think about some folks I knew and of my MGB-GT.
People let me tell you that if I had to make a recipe
For fun in driving I would have to spell it MGB-GT.

Cruising, using, choosing it,
amusing myself without a care;
Striving, thriving, hot-rod driving,
not arriving anywhere.

Folks, this little car of mine
was like a kitten purring throatily.
Sometimes it even seemed to soar
into the heavens, my red MGB-GT.

Tooling, fueling my good feeling,
schooling me in ways to know
Soaring, flooring it, adoring it,
my little way to go.

Folks, this little car of mine
was like a kitten purring throatily.
Sometimes it even seemed to soar
into the heavens, my red MGB-GT.

But I, I learned you have to lose some things
before you treasure them,;that's how it goes.
And I, I didn't give time to my car
and lost my car to time; what did I know?

And so life carries on,
And lots of things are better now for me.
And yet I think back on those golden times
When I had my red MGB-GT.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 12:39:57 2009
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:39:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three><9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
Message-ID: <923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>

List,

Has anyone transplanted an Austin Marina automatic transmission into a late 
MGB?

I have a good friend, the owner of a '78 MGB who can no longer drive after 
dark. His wife cannot drive standard shift, so they must presently obey 
Joseph Lucas' directive: Home Before Dark.

If the Marina auto is not a bolt in, are there alternatives?

Thanks,

Ed Woods 

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 12:40:29 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:40:29 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
Message-ID: <d04.50e71746.36fa912d@aol.com>

Yes, no big deal to do.
Or buy an MGC auto.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 3/24/2009 12:38:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:

Has  anyone transplanted an Austin Marina automatic transmission into a late  
MGB?

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Tue Mar 24 12:48:52 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:48:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
In-Reply-To: <923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three><9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com><2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
	<923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FCE8@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

The Austin Marina also used the 18V engine block so yes it should likely
bolt in. There may have to be some sort of modification with the pilot
bearing on the crankshaft. I had the opposite done on my 71BGT before I
bought it - an Austin Marina motor was installed with the standard MGB
manual transmission. However, that also involved modifying the
transmission pilot shaft - the first inch or so was turned on a lathe to
reduce its overall diameter to fit into the smaller pilot bushing (I
still have that part lying around somewhere). So I think it is doable
and should bolt on but other minor modifications may also be in order.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ed Woods
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:40 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?

List,

Has anyone transplanted an Austin Marina automatic transmission into a
late
MGB?

I have a good friend, the owner of a '78 MGB who can no longer drive
after
dark. His wife cannot drive standard shift, so they must presently obey
Joseph Lucas' directive: Home Before Dark.

If the Marina auto is not a bolt in, are there alternatives?

Thanks,

Ed Woods
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Mar 24 12:51:25 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:51:25 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Wot, no MG?
In-Reply-To: <d04.50e71746.36fa912d@aol.com>
References: <d04.50e71746.36fa912d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5C3662AE-A4C0-4B0C-ABE4-0CE52C376BF6@ghs.com.au>

Any particular reason you'd want to do this?  I now MGs made autos but  
for the life of me I cannot understand why.  Although am told that  
they were not a bad thing as autos go.

Murray Arundell

On 25/03/2009, at 5:40 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> Yes, no big deal to do.
> Or buy an MGC auto.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2009 12:38:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:
>
> Has  anyone transplanted an Austin Marina automatic transmission  
> into a late
> MGB?
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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Tue Mar 24 13:05:50 2009
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:05:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] more MGC questions
Message-ID: <01ef01c9acbb$ef4b2170$cde16450$@com>

Sorry, I'm in the learning curve here on this MGC GT.

 

What does the fuel tank look like on a C-GT? Did they use something larger
than on a B? This car has what looks like an aluminum cell under it.

 

Also, what were the production #s for 4spd overdrive cars?

 

Thanks.

 

WST

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 13:08:35 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:35 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] more MGC questions
Message-ID: <d36.408fd892.36fa97c3@aol.com>

The tank is the same as the MGB.  The majority of MGCs came with wire  wheels 
and OD trans.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 3/24/2009 1:06:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
wsthompson at thicko.com writes:

Sorry,  I'm in the learning curve here on this MGC GT.



What does the  fuel tank look like on a C-GT? Did they use something larger
than on a B?  This car has what looks like an aluminum cell under it.



Also,  what were the production #s for 4spd overdrive  cars?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 25 01:44:27 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:44:27 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [!! SPAM]  Re: Ah, the details........
References: <d37.41b6d061.36fa7573@aol.com>
Message-ID: <90AAB4FE3C8D4013BAED1F7FD615AFD4@Three>

Erm, ask yourself how many engines are installed with the crankshaft above the
combustion chamber!
  ----- Original Message -----
  This only leave the question of which way is down?  From which end of the
cylinder is one looking?


  "A simple way to remember which is the thrust face is that the rod points
  toward the thrust face on the way down the cylinder. Applies to any engine,
  inline or V" and I'll add "clockwise or anti-clockwise".

From jltinkham at dishmail.net  Wed Mar 25 04:23:28 2009
From: jltinkham at dishmail.net (JAMES TINKHAM)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] more MGC questions
In-Reply-To: <d36.408fd892.36fa97c3@aol.com>
References: <d36.408fd892.36fa97c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8b19de00903250423u1013fd34yf9b218e86196da4e@mail.gmail.com>

WST,

You can pretty much look at it like this - anything in front of the firewall
is unique, most anything behind it are common to the B.  The farther away
from the FW the more likely to be common.

HTH

Tink

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM, <WSpohn4 at aol.com> wrote:

> The tank is the same as the MGB.  The majority of MGCs came with wire
>  wheels
> and OD trans.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2009 1:06:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> wsthompson at thicko.com writes:
>
> Sorry,  I'm in the learning curve here on this MGC GT.
>
>
>
> What does the  fuel tank look like on a C-GT? Did they use something larger
> than on a B?  This car has what looks like an aluminum cell under it.
>
>
>
> Also,  what were the production #s for 4spd overdrive  cars?
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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Wed Mar 25 04:58:53 2009
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hub Needed   Help?????
In-Reply-To: <923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three><9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c
	1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>	<2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
	<923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <a06230900c5efcc71145c@[128.151.164.253]>

Hi, Looking for a good left rear wire wheel hub for a MGB . Thought I 
would ask here first.
thank you
paul
-- 
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University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
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From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Mar 25 07:32:55 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:32:55 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] [!! SPAM]  Re: Ah, the details........
Message-ID: <20090325.103756.2532.13.MGBOB@juno.com>

  More than one might, at first thought, believe.   
  Many aviation engines are inverted, as that increases propeller tip
clearance to the earth.
  Look up the ever popular  De Havilland Gypsy II, 4 cylinder, vertical,
air cooled, in line, direct drive, wet sump, 114mm bore, 140mm stroke,
5713 cc, rated 108-110 hp at 2000 rpm.  5.2 compression, weight 298 lbs,
burning 6.75 gal/hour @2000 rpm and 1.25 pints oil.  
  Teasing you a bit--this is information I found in a 1941 book about av
engines, edited  by E. Molloy.  Molloy wrote "The well known de Havilland
range of 'Gipsy' engines are probably as familiar to all aircraft
engineers as the 'Morris' engines are to the motor-car engineer."
  
Bob
 



On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:44:27 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> Erm, ask yourself how many engines are installed with the crankshaft 
> above the
> combustion chamber!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   This only leave the question of which way is down?  From which end 
> of the
> cylinder is one looking?
> 
> 
>   "A simple way to remember which is the thrust face is that the rod 
> points
>   toward the thrust face on the way down the cylinder. Applies to 
> any engine,
>   inline or V" and I'll add "clockwise or anti-clockwise".
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 25 09:31:48 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:31:48 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Ah, the details........
In-Reply-To: <20090325.103756.2532.13.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C5EFAA84.1F525%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I was expecting something like this to pop up. Then, there are the radial
aircraft engines, where the directions of "up" and "down" are different for
each cylinder. Or, most idiosyncratically, the old rotary engines, where the
cylinders spun around a stationary crankshaft.

But, generally speaking, in the context of automobile engines, I think our
assumptions about up and down are pretty safe.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 3/25/09 7:32 AM, Bob Howard at mgbob at juno.com wrote:

>   More than one might, at first thought, believe.
>   Many aviation engines are inverted, as that increases propeller tip
> clearance to the earth.
>   Look up the ever popular  De Havilland Gypsy II, 4 cylinder, vertical,
> air cooled, in line, direct drive, wet sump, 114mm bore, 140mm stroke,
> 5713 cc, rated 108-110 hp at 2000 rpm.  5.2 compression, weight 298 lbs,
> burning 6.75 gal/hour @2000 rpm and 1.25 pints oil.
>   Teasing you a bit--this is information I found in a 1941 book about av
> engines, edited  by E. Molloy.  Molloy wrote "The well known de Havilland
> range of 'Gipsy' engines are probably as familiar to all aircraft
> engineers as the 'Morris' engines are to the motor-car engineer."
>   
> Bob
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:44:27 -0000 "Paul Hunt"
> <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> Erm, ask yourself how many engines are installed with the crankshaft
>> above the
>> combustion chamber!
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   This only leave the question of which way is down?  From which end
>> of the
>> cylinder is one looking?
>> 
>> 
>>   "A simple way to remember which is the thrust face is that the rod
>> points
>>   toward the thrust face on the way down the cylinder. Applies to
>> any engine,
>>   inline or V" and I'll add "clockwise or anti-clockwise".
>> _______________________________________________

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 25 09:41:33 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:41:33 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] New MG experience
Message-ID: <C5EFACCD.1F527%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I was driving my B westbound on the Dumbarton Bridge, into a stiffish
headwind, when a snakelike object suddenly appeared and tangled itself in
the wiper arm and wing mirror, thrashing about wildly.

It was the bonnet-to-cowl seal. Basically a weathered strip of foam, about
1/2 x 1/4 inch, from which the adhesive had long ago dried up, apparently.
Blew right out the gap.

I merely lowered the window, reached out and retrieved it, tossing it into
the passenger seat.

I suppose this can only happen when the bonnet fits particularly poorly
(check), the seal is poorly adhered (check), and the apparent windspeed is
high (60mph into a 30kt headwind -- check). A contibuting factor may have
been that I currently have no grille installed; I removed it while I was
playing with the cam, and was dithering whether I should reinstall it or try
to fit the new-in-box replacement that I have been hoarding for a decade.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 25 11:16:20 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] ABC story on Tire Safety
Message-ID: <62087B22-0C1D-47FE-91F0-D0C734CA3180@sbcglobal.net>

  "We don't support age-based limits on tires because there's no  
scientific data to support that." Wal-Mart spokesperson Linda Blakley  
said, "Should the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic and Safety  
Administration) create a ruling related to age of tires and its effect  
on the safety of our customers, we would of course comply."

Full article:  http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4822250&page=2

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 11:28:30 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hub Needed   Help?????
In-Reply-To: <a06230900c5efcc71145c@[128.151.164.253]>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three><9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c
	1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>	<2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
	<923C2BAF3FCF4EDDBE5284F5C5D9F933@Edscomputer>
	<a06230900c5efcc71145c@[128.151.164.253]>
Message-ID: <49CA77CE.7060603@gmail.com>

Paul Osborne wrote:
> Hi, Looking for a good left rear wire wheel hub for a MGB . Thought I 
> would ask here first.
> thank you 
I have one, maybe. The threads are counterclockwise and rather coarse. 

Here's a cellphone picture.

http://www.rockyfrisco.com/MGBhub.jpg

I broke an axle two years ago and could only find one with a hub attached, but it was the wrong side, so I had it removed at a shop.

Don't remember which side this is for.

-The Roxter
--

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Mar 25 10:30:21 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:30:21 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Different approaches in various parts of the
 world??
References: <ca2.479a472a.36fbb6c6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <95598822E1524286B4FBF9319E4B8CD5@Three>

A reminder of what I wrote:

"when half way down on the expansion stroke the centre-line of the con-rod is
pointing at the thrust face".

When half-way 'through' (if 'down' is too confusing) it's expansion stroke the
con-rod is pointing at the thrust face, whichever way up the engine is.

PaulH.


----- Original Message -----
  About ALL of them that I've built have at a point had the crankshaft above
  the combustion chamber.

  You may do things differently where you are (meaning no disrespect) but when
  assembling an engine on an engine stand here it is the normal practice to
  rotate the block so that the crankshaft is on the top.

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Thu Mar 26 13:35:34 2009
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MG B colours
Message-ID: <51CB567EA5864E88B414E1691B678A13@RicksPC>

I received the following email and I am unable to locate my "Original MGB" can
someone help this guy out?  I have been unable to find a website with the
info.
  Please reply directly to him at falgavit at tiscali.it

From: Vittorio Falzoni Gallerani
To: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 06:50
Subject: MG B colours


Please
I found very useful the colour codes' scheme but I wish to know in what
colours was offered the vinyl upholstery on these cars.
 I'm writing a feature for an italian Magazine, can you help me?
Thank you very much!!
Vittorio Falzoni Gallerani

Thanks
Rick
Webmaster for:
___________________________________________________________
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG
Registers
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  http://www.flamemini.net - Florida mini Enthusiasts
  http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature
Coast English Car Club

From don at napanet.net  Fri Mar 27 00:13:38 2009
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:13:38 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] test
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090326231322.03cbd828@pop.napanet.net>

>test


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From barnhart at geneseo.net  Fri Mar 27 10:59:49 2009
From: barnhart at geneseo.net (Chris and Jodi Barnhart)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:59:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Seat Rails Needed
Message-ID: <200903271800.n2RI04vC451307@ns3.geneseo.net>

Have a old set laying around?  I need a set for a roadster.  Have paypal

Chris
barnhart at geneseo.net

From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Fri Mar 27 11:12:09 2009
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:12:09 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Seat Rails Needed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1238180401.1587.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1238180401.1587.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BE0CCA78435D4B1EA312EAE2B392B4F9@EricJRussellPC>

IIRC (it was a long time ago that I did this...) MGB seat rails fit the MGA 
seat tracks. MGB rails are longer (I think). But MGB seat rails are likely 
easier to find (if in fact they'll work for you).

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell
----- Original Message ----- 
>
> Have a old set laying around?  I need a set for a roadster.  Have paypal
>
> Chris
> barnhart at geneseo.net

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Sat Mar 28 12:06:40 2009
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mgs] project 74.5 must go!
In-Reply-To: <1066813099.475371238267189456.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <768537505.475391238267200893.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

greetings O list.


Vallejo, California.
San Francisco bay Area.


74.5 MGB free to good home.


It's happened at last. The city has lost patience with my hobby.
I must get rid of my 4.5 MGB Roadster or the sky will fall!


No engine or transmission.B 
most metal is usable.B 
Roll bar.B 
rostyle wheels.


contact me off list if interested and able to pick up soon.
I have funeral to attend today, I'll respond as soon as possible.
Eric Peterson
So many cars, not enough parking!

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Mar 29 03:23:48 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:23:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Relays
Message-ID: <B651BBFCD9CA4AFEA3D33803F95CE38F@Three>

The Leyland Parts Catalogue (and Moss) show both a 'battery cut-off' relay for
'76 on', and an 'ignition switch' relay from '77 on'.  The former is for North
America only.  Were both of these relays fitted from 77 on, plus the starter
relay making three?  Or did the 'ignition switch' relay replace the 'battery
cut-off' relay in 77?

Thanks,
PaulH.

From rareisse at postoffice.worldnet.att.net  Sun Mar 29 07:59:01 2009
From: rareisse at postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Robert Alan Reisse)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 1976 MGB for Sale
In-Reply-To: <1237921390.49c92e6ec4ff8@webmail.napanet.net>
References: <A33AFD811F7049FDBE465FF2309EBAE7@Three>
	<9f2527520903240755o5fc402e4nf9c8c1374da5ec0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DA53E53178E40959D36590D2F6D3DA9@Three>
	<1237921390.49c92e6ec4ff8@webmail.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <20090329145841.843B6187657@autox.team.net>

1976 MGB Tourer for sale:

  Engine rebuilt about 10,000 miles ago, oil pressure around 60 psi, 
converted to HIS-4 Carburetors this past winter. All gauges and dials 
work as expected.  Car is Tahiti Blue

Improvements since owned by present owner:

Front Brake Calibers rebuilt with new seals, cylinders and metallic 
pads. Pertronix Ignition installed. New starter relay. New 
Alternator. Replaced Rear Springs. Front Seats recovered with 
original type vinyl covers, carpet kit installed.

Extras: At least four spare wheels come with the car. Car came with a 
downdraft Weber carburetor which will be transferred with the car.

Now the bad news:
Hard top not being sold with the car. Original top needs replacement, 
small hole in it and the rear window has separated from the top. Car 
was repainted before purchase, so there are a lot of new dents and 
scrapes, rust is showing in various places. Struts for the hood and 
boot have been removed, but there are new struts available.
$2500 or best offer. As is, no warranty.

Location: York County, Virginia

Price $2500 or best offer

Contact: Robert Reisse, 757-223-4449, email at rareisse at worldnet.att.net

The car is listed on Craigslist at: 
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/1095322942.html
if you would like to see pictures of it.

From don at napanet.net  Sun Mar 29 10:13:14 2009
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:13:14 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] test
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20090329091311.02161728@pop.napanet.net>

>test


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From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Mar 29 11:33:58 2009
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] test
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20090329091311.02161728@pop.napanet.net>
References: <6.0.3.0.1.20090329091311.02161728@pop.napanet.net>
Message-ID: <337CDD24-9C65-4445-86F4-7B0B11A59F34@panix.com>

On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:13 AM, don wrote:

>> test
>

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

Please don't post test messages to the list.

Yes, I'm getting all cranky, but if you can't find MG content to post,  
then wait for somebody else that can.

It doesn't have to be "good" MG content.

For example, I would have posted this message:

"It's snowing here again, so I guess I should be happy that my MG has  
been in somebody else's hands for nearly a year now.  For those people  
that live in nicer climates, or have not given their car over to a  
painter, how's the driving?  I do wish it would warm up, so the  
painter can paint the car, and I can get the parts I have in my dining  
room back where they belong."

From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar 29 13:14:34 2009
From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:14:34 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
In-Reply-To: <337CDD24-9C65-4445-86F4-7B0B11A59F34@panix.com>
Message-ID: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFIEJJCDAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>

It's about 75 degrees, sunny and breezy in Jacksonville today. Just got back
from a short cruise in the B. It reminds that it wants me to spend some
money on it.

Eric in Florida
74 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:34 PM
To: MG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] test


On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:13 AM, don wrote:

>> test
>

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

Please don't post test messages to the list.

Yes, I'm getting all cranky, but if you can't find MG content to post,
then wait for somebody else that can.

It doesn't have to be "good" MG content.

For example, I would have posted this message:

"It's snowing here again, so I guess I should be happy that my MG has
been in somebody else's hands for nearly a year now.  For those people
that live in nicer climates, or have not given their car over to a
painter, how's the driving?  I do wish it would warm up, so the
painter can paint the car, and I can get the parts I have in my dining
room back where they belong."
You are subscribed as ericemarkley at bellsouth.net


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From jello at cableone.net  Sun Mar 29 13:40:24 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (jello at cableone.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:40:24 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
In-Reply-To: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFIEJJCDAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFIEJJCDAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <49CFDCB8.2010401@cableone.net>

Opposite weather report.  It's 31 and snowing here in Idaho Falls 
Idaho.  Maybe it will warm up in 3 or 4 weeks.

Phil Bates
'67MGB daily driver (with a snugtop hardtop)


Eric Markley wrote:
> It's about 75 degrees, sunny and breezy in Jacksonville today. Just got back
> from a short cruise in the B. It reminds that it wants me to spend some
> money on it.
>
> Eric in Florida
> 74 B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:34 PM
> To: MG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] test
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:13 AM, don wrote:
>
>   
>>> test
>>>       
>
> I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
>
> Please don't post test messages to the list.
>
> Yes, I'm getting all cranky, but if you can't find MG content to post,
> then wait for somebody else that can.
>
> It doesn't have to be "good" MG content.
>
> For example, I would have posted this message:
>
> "It's snowing here again, so I guess I should be happy that my MG has
> been in somebody else's hands for nearly a year now.  For those people
> that live in nicer climates, or have not given their car over to a
> painter, how's the driving?  I do wish it would warm up, so the
> painter can paint the car, and I can get the parts I have in my dining
> room back where they belong."
> You are subscribed as ericemarkley at bellsouth.net

From info at classictradespace.com  Sun Mar 29 13:43:48 2009
From: info at classictradespace.com (classic trade space)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] weather report
Message-ID: <19FC72031A3546C394A437094BCC5418@bunce>

Its about 6 degrees here in london, wet and pretty cold.

From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca  Sun Mar 29 13:45:43 2009
From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:45:43 -0300
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFIEJJCDAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
	<49CFDCB8.2010401@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <008401c9b0af$542e0fc0$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91>

Weather's dab in the middle here in Truro Nova Scotia. It reached a high of 
13 Celsius..about 58 F, sunny and a welcome arrival of spring....now I just 
have to put my head back on and then maybe some fun awaits....


Malcolm


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jello at cableone.net>
To: "Eric Markley" <ericemarkley at bellsouth.net>
Cc: "MG Mailing List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Weather report


> Opposite weather report.  It's 31 and snowing here in Idaho Falls
> Idaho.  Maybe it will warm up in 3 or 4 weeks.
>
> Phil Bates
> '67MGB daily driver (with a snugtop hardtop)
>
>
> Eric Markley wrote:
>> It's about 75 degrees, sunny and breezy in Jacksonville today. Just got 
>> back
>> from a short cruise in the B. It reminds that it wants me to spend some
>> money on it.
>>
>> Eric in Florida
>> 74 B
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On
>> Behalf Of Aaron Whiteman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:34 PM
>> To: MG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] test
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:13 AM, don wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> test
>>>>
>>
>> I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
>>
>> Please don't post test messages to the list.
>>
>> Yes, I'm getting all cranky, but if you can't find MG content to post,
>> then wait for somebody else that can.
>>
>> It doesn't have to be "good" MG content.
>>
>> For example, I would have posted this message:
>>
>> "It's snowing here again, so I guess I should be happy that my MG has
>> been in somebody else's hands for nearly a year now.  For those people
>> that live in nicer climates, or have not given their car over to a
>> painter, how's the driving?  I do wish it would warm up, so the
>> painter can paint the car, and I can get the parts I have in my dining
>> room back where they belong."
>> You are subscribed as ericemarkley at bellsouth.net
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 29 17:24:24 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:24:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
In-Reply-To: <49CFDCB8.2010401@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <C5F55F48.1F71D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Balmy here in the SF Bay Area. I just came in from removing my snugtop for
the season. Also epoxied the badge back into the shift knob (2nd time it has
popped out). Yesterday I installed a new cowl seal -- standard household
foam weatherstrip this time (a little thicker than what Moss provided).

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 3/29/09 1:40 PM, jello at cableone.net at jello at cableone.net wrote:

> Opposite weather report.  It's 31 and snowing here in Idaho Falls
> Idaho.  Maybe it will warm up in 3 or 4 weeks.
> 
> Phil Bates
> '67MGB daily driver (with a snugtop hardtop)
> 
> 
> Eric Markley wrote:
>> It's about 75 degrees, sunny and breezy in Jacksonville today. Just got back
>> from a short cruise in the B. It reminds that it wants me to spend some
>> money on it.
>> 
>> Eric in Florida
>> 74 B

From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Mar 29 17:32:58 2009
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:32:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
In-Reply-To: <C5F55F48.1F71D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C5F55F48.1F71D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <DA486292-5E89-4D94-886E-0A8A2C2E4FCE@panix.com>

On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Max Heim wrote:

>  Yesterday I installed a new cowl seal -- standard household
> foam weatherstrip this time (a little thicker than what Moss  
> provided).

I think I have one of the Moss provided seals in my dining room, next  
to the tires.  It might be in the guest bedroom though, that's where  
the heater is.

The snow stopped falling a few hours ago, we only have 3" or so on the  
ground, but it's sloppy nasty snow.  I'm torn.  I love the winter and  
could care less about spring, but until it gets warmer, no paint and  
my car shall meet.

From otis15 at aol.com  Sun Mar 29 18:11:29 2009
From: otis15 at aol.com (otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:11:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Mini-Lite wheels
In-Reply-To: <8CB7EE99D82469D-C24-1B5B@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB7EE99D82469D-C24-1B5B@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB7EEB975500D5-C24-1BD7@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: otis15 at aol.com
To: mgs at aotox.team.team
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: Mini-Lite wheels


I know it's not cool to put things for sale on the list but thought some one might be interested before I went to e bay.

I have four new[still in the boxes] replica mina-lite wheels[moss#455-386]. Four center caps w/black mg centers[moss456-935].
16 lug nuts[moss#264-490] All new, never had a tire on them.?Decided to go with wires.
Moss sale price $792.00 plus tax. I would sell them for $500.00.
Sorry If I offended anyone with this add.

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Mar 30 00:48:37 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:48:37 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
References: <C5F55F48.1F71D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <B91775E7B76D4F6F8C7CEB4D47F8418A@Three>

Now see what you've done?  All these weather reports are a damned sight more
irritating than a one word 'test' ...
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  The snow stopped falling a few hours ago...

From barrie at look.ca  Mon Mar 30 07:05:38 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weather report
In-Reply-To: <C5F55F48.1F71D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49CFDCB8.2010401@cableone.net>
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Message-ID: <E1LoICe-0008Pw-Po@beta.look.ca>

Max,

Go to www.britcot.com and get yourself a new gear shift knob from 
Larry - I got one for my DB 2/4 - it is gorgeous



At 08:24 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>Balmy here in the SF Bay Area. I just came in from removing my snugtop for
>the season. Also epoxied the badge back into the shift knob (2nd time it has
>popped out). Yesterday I installed a new cowl seal -- standard household
>foam weatherstrip this time (a little thicker than what Moss provided).
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
>on 3/29/09 1:40 PM, jello at cableone.net at jello at cableone.net wrote:
>
> > Opposite weather report.  It's 31 and snowing here in Idaho Falls
> > Idaho.  Maybe it will warm up in 3 or 4 weeks.
> >
> > Phil Bates
> > '67MGB daily driver (with a snugtop hardtop)
> >
> >
> > Eric Markley wrote:
> >> It's about 75 degrees, sunny and breezy in Jacksonville today. 
> Just got back
> >> from a short cruise in the B. It reminds that it wants me to spend some
> >> money on it.
> >>
> >> Eric in Florida
> >> 74 B
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