From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 01:46:57 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:46:57 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Happy New Year!!
References: <C6366C739CF7468F9FF9180150C29DBD@acer>
Message-ID: <02D0253FE6D0437E820E71732733B5F6@Three>

To all MG-ers,

May your oil pressure not drop, your coolant temperature not rise, and many
enjoyable nail-free miles roll under your tyres.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----


  Here's wishes for a healthy, wealthy and wise New Year!!

  .
  __,_._,___

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Jan  1 05:37:25 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:37:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <88F66385DE214709AF3132399D42AB41@Larry>
Message-ID: <OIEFIFPCJEDNJFHKNCJECELPDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Possibly even Fox News.  Well, maybe not them....>>

Even they got/have "The Blogo Affair" 'correct', Larry !!!

Guy IS a TOTAL IDIOT !!

Hope all had a Happy New Year !!

Ed

PS:  For those that have missed the "saga" of said 'affair' just check out
any Chicago TV Station or newspaper!!
PPS:  A Google for Gov. Blogo has 2.5+ hits including his ARREST!!

From frankk12 at verizon.net  Tue Jan  6 07:24:30 2009
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (Frankk)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
Message-ID: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

Have not had any posts for quite some time. Is the list down or am I down?
Guess I'll know if I get this post.
Frank Krajewski

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan  6 07:52:44 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:52:44 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
Message-ID: <056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>

Last I had was 31st Dec.  Very quiet these days, much more on the Yahoo MGB
list.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----


  Have not had any posts for quite some time. Is the list down or am I down?

From schultejim at msn.com  Tue Jan  6 08:20:28 2009
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
Message-ID: <BAY116-W528F68B4FC86E5EDAB9E6DDBDE0@phx.gbl>

I'll use the list. I'm currently looking for a nice Magnette or MG 1100 four
seat vehicle. I'm aware of the one 1968 Magnette on ebay currently. If any of
you know of another available, I'm in the market. Must not be a rust bucket. I
want to take my family of 3 in 1 MG vehicle to MG 2010 in Toronto. So it needs
to be at least a good driver.

Jim Schulte Aquatic Coordinator Souderton Area S.D. VP Bux Mont Swim
OfficialsEastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
 > From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> To: frankk12 at verizon.net;
mgs at autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:52:44 +0000> Subject: Re: [Mgs]
List Down?> > Last I had was 31st Dec. Very quiet these days, much more on the
Yahoo MGB> list.> > PaulH.> > ----- Original Message -----> > > Have not had
any posts for quite some time. Is the list down or am I down?>
_______________________________________________>

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jan  6 20:13:43 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
Message-ID: <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>

Shall we launch a thread on here about how to pronounce Jaguar?

   CR


Paul Hunt wrote:
> Last I had was 31st Dec.  Very quiet these days, much more on the Yahoo MGB
> list.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   Have not had any posts for quite some time. Is the list down or am I down?
> _______________________________________________
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From pchast at francomm.com  Wed Jan  7 00:08:38 2009
From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:08:38 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <op.undksotjsjevdj@66-109-47-215.dialup.francomm.com>

Don't know about the rest but I've been too busy with family to do more  
than breathe.

Pete

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:13:43 -0800, Charles & Peggy Robinson  
<ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:

>
> Shall we launch a thread on here about how to pronounce Jaguar?
>
>    CR
>
>
> Paul Hunt wrote:
>> Last I had was 31st Dec.  Very quiet these days, much more on the Yahoo  
>> MGB
>> list.
>>  PaulH.
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>     Have not had any posts for quite some time. Is the list down or am  
>> I down?
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Jan  6 21:13:22 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:43:22 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <49642BE2.4070907@erickson.on.net>

Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
> Shall we launch a thread on here about how to pronounce Jaguar?
>

Just like George Bush would...

Jag-u-ar!  

Discussion over!

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Jan  6 21:16:35 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:16:35 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49642BE2.4070907@erickson.on.net>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49642BE2.4070907@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <033858D9-98A9-4DA3-8301-AEF6C4516BC0@ghs.com.au>

Having owned a couple of new ones in my time, I pronounce it #$%&*+


On 07/01/2009, at 2:13 PM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>> Shall we launch a thread on here about how to pronounce Jaguar?
>>
>
> Just like George Bush would...
>
> Jag-u-ar!
> Discussion over!
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jan  6 21:50:37 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:50:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <033858D9-98A9-4DA3-8301-AEF6C4516BC0@ghs.com.au>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49642BE2.4070907@erickson.on.net>
	<033858D9-98A9-4DA3-8301-AEF6C4516BC0@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <4964349D.2000603@ktc.com>

LOL; I was kidding, guys.  There was a longish thread on the subject 
over on the MG-MGB Yahoo Group.

   CR

Murray Arundell wrote:
> Having owned a couple of new ones in my time, I pronounce it #$%&*+
> 
> 
> On 07/01/2009, at 2:13 PM, Eric Erickson wrote:
> 
>> Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>>> Shall we launch a thread on here about how to pronounce Jaguar?
>>>
>>
>> Just like George Bush would...
>>
>> Jag-u-ar!
>> Discussion over!
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>> You are subscribed as arundell at ghs.com.au
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan  6 22:05:12 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:05:12 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <49643808.10203@bradakis.com>

I'm amused that 'worcestershire' is often pronounced as simply 'woos-ter'
but 'Jaguar' has about thirteen syllables, give or take.

A common language, indeed!

mjb.

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 22:38:31 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:38:31 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.
Perhaps centuries ago, but not now.

Regarding place names, the "cester" part is usually pronounced as one
syllable ("ster") -- there are other examples, such as "Leicester".
Other names that have a convention on pronunciation that doesn't match
the spelling include: "Edinburgh" (burgh = borough), Warwick (the "w"
is silent in all "-wick" names), etc..

Unless you want an argument, don't  ask about the pronunciation of
Shrewsbury -- even the locals can't agree about this.

Simon

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> I'm amused that 'worcestershire' is often pronounced as simply 'woos-ter'
> but 'Jaguar' has about thirteen syllables, give or take.
>
> A common language, indeed!

From PRNDL at sonic.net  Tue Jan  6 23:18:55 2009
From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:18:55 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>

On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:

> who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.

A number of years ago while working in the South of England, I had a  
day off to myself and decided to drive to the British Motor Museum. It  
is located in Beaulieu, Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand  
of French motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always  
pronounced "Bo-Lew". Of course, I got lost driving to the museum but  
knew I was very close. Several times I stopped to ask the locals where  
"Bo-Lew" was and was met with blank stares. Finally, I asked where "Bo- 
Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed and  
responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"" I have never, never asked  
how "Beaulieu" became "Bu-Lee" and I never will. The museum was  
fantastic.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Jan  6 23:53:40 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:53:40 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <49645174.9060507@ktc.com>

  Shucks, it happens here in TX.  There's a lake spelled Buchanon maybe 
50 miles north of Kerrville, where I live.  It's pronounced Buck-cannon 
by the locals.  Go figure.....  Pretty country, makes a nice MGB ride & 
picnic.

   CR


Rod Williams wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> 
>> who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.
> 
> A number of years ago while working in the South of England, I had a day 
> off to myself and decided to drive to the British Motor Museum. It is 
> located in Beaulieu, Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand of 
> French motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always 
> pronounced "Bo-Lew". Of course, I got lost driving to the museum but 
> knew I was very close. Several times I stopped to ask the locals where 
> "Bo-Lew" was and was met with blank stares. Finally, I asked where 
> "Bo-Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed 
> and responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"" I have never, never 
> asked how "Beaulieu" became "Bu-Lee" and I never will. The museum was 
> fantastic.
> -- 
> Rod Williams
> Petaluma, California
> 1967 MGB
> _______________________________________________

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  7 01:56:43 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:56:43 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
	<49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <9f2527520901070056m20af1ed7u87d82c7aeb996d2@mail.gmail.com>

..."There's a lake spelled Buchanon maybe 50 miles north of Kerrville"...
Kerrville no doubt founded by a Scottish emigrant of the Kerr clan, many
(but not all) of whom pronounce their name "Car", or in some cases "Care".
Wonder how "Kerrville" is pronounced...

When I worked for Lotus, in Norfolk, I lived in the nearest town to the
factory, Wymondham, pronounced "Windum".  Nearby were Tacolneston,
pronounced "Tackleston", and Costessey, pronounced "Cossey".

As for Beaulieu (Bee-oo-lee), that is one of several examples of a name that
was originally French, but has been in place in England for so long that the
pronounciation has been Anglicised, and has evolved (and no doubt the French
pronounciation too has changed a bit) over the centuries to become
unrecognisable.  But, like the others, if you didn't already know there is
no way you could possibly guess...

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 02:23:29 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:23:29 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com> <49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>

It is *supposed* to be ...

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I'm amused that 'worcestershire' is often pronounced as simply 'woos-ter'

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 02:43:03 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:43:03 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <C77B7D27408F414CB302F411C6242B05@Three>

Like many aristocratic names that seem to be pronounced illogically, it stems
from said aristo's not knowing how to pronounce 'foreign' names in titles
often awarded to them after winning battles abroad (Beaulieu being a case in
point, as is Blenheim), and no one having the courage or temerity to tell them
otherwise.  Interestingly in Beaulieu's case there is the original charter on
the wall in one of the rooms of the house, and it has 'Bewly' in brackets
after 'Beaulieu'.  On the death of Diana, Princess of Wales her birthplace
Althorp was often mentioned and pronunciation varied between what you see and
'Althrup'.  In the end it turned out that only her brother Earl Spencer used
'Althrup', everyone else used the more obvious.  Although in that case it
seems that his pronunciation is historically more correct, it is the modern
spelling that is incorrect http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Althrop.
That is the cause of many differences in pronunciation and spelling in the UK.
More confusion stems from people from one part of the country writing down
names in another, where none of the locals could read or write and so tell him
how to spell it.  While doing family history research I came across a female
ancestor in an original parish register with the name 'Cafern'.  It took me a
while to realise it was almost certainly 'Catherine' but in a strong dialect
that the vicar from another part of the world didn't really understand so
could only write down phonetically.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  ... Finally, I asked where "Bo-
  Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed and
  responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 05:56:25 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:56:25 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <132C16B1B6DD4D7CA853F137C7BFC3CE@Three>

BTW it's the National Motor Museum rather than the British - we may be a small
country but we do have more than one, at least a couple of dozen :o)

But even that can be confusing, it isn't 'National' as in 'National Health
Service' i.e. Government run but as in 'National Windscreens', 'National
Coaches', 'National Tyres' etc. i.e. private but with big ideas.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----
  ... the British Motor Museum....

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 07:01:18 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:01:18 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com><FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net><49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
	<9f2527520901070056m20af1ed7u87d82c7aeb996d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681F52E41D0A49439DAC58E5952CDE15@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Gosling" <rbgosling at googlemail.com>

As for Beaulieu (Bee-oo-lee), that is one of several examples of a name that
was originally French, but has been in place in England for so long that the
pronounciation has been Anglicised, and has evolved (and no doubt the French
pronounciation too has changed a bit) over the centuries to become
unrecognisable.  But, like the others, if you didn't already know there is
no way you could possibly guess...

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
_______________________________________________


Richard, we Yanks can't expect you Brits to pronounce words correctly when 
you can't spell them correctly.  "Unrecognizable" has a "z" not an "s".  And 
"tire" does not have a "y" in it.  I could go on, but you get the idea.  It 
took us leaving you to get this spelling thing straightened out.  ;-))

Larry Daniels

(With tongue firmly in cheek.)

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 07:47:35 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:47:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <417793.3825.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Rod Williams <PRNDL at sonic.net> wrote:

> It is located in Beaulieu,
> Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand of French
> motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always
> pronounced "Bo-Lew". 

I've never used a Beaulieu, but I do own a Bolex, and
it has the virtue of being pronounced the same just
about everywhere.  :-)

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Wed Jan  7 08:01:11 2009
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
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	<4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
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Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread.  In Boston,
Dorchester is pronounce 'Dor-Chest-er' but Worcester 'Wister'.  I
lived in the Boston area for 30 years and never understood it. Another
30 years later and I still don't understand it.

Bill Saidel



Regarding the lack of MGB material, here's a question I could use
advice on. I have a 76 B and a 74 B. My 76 is my 1st...I've had it for
12 years. Clearly, I have an emotional attachment to it. Rationally,
it is beginning to fall apart...fenders are held on with plumber's
epoxy (great stuff). Rust in one of the main channels has poked a hole
in it.. Still all is repairable and it rides nicely.

The 74 is nicer in design, love the chrome bumper look, but it needs
certain dash refurbishing (the 76 does not), a bit of body work
(dents, not rust). Needs other stuff that I can do, too.

I can only keep one and I think it is my last. I have between now and
May to decide. Arghhhh.... Things I'd like to daydream about with
either....a 6 cylinder engine, an upgraded braking system and a
5-speed manual transmission.

Which do I stay with...???? What do I think about in making such a decision?
How's that for a question with no answer!

Bill Saidel
BMCSNJ


Quoting Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>:
> It is *supposed* to be ...
>> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>>
>   I'm amused that 'worcestershire' is often pronounced as simply 'woos-ter'

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 08:56:29 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:56:29 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <417793.3825.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79E1C20CA85A4D6EBB51458968640BCA@Three>

Might not be in England ...
  ----- Original Message -----
  ... I do own a Bolex, and
  it has the virtue of being pronounced the same just
  about everywhere.  :-)

From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 10:10:04 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:10:04 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <681F52E41D0A49439DAC58E5952CDE15@Larry>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
	<49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
	<9f2527520901070056m20af1ed7u87d82c7aeb996d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<681F52E41D0A49439DAC58E5952CDE15@Larry>
Message-ID: <3b8c3a8c0901070910s72c504kd2ee8cbd40c8b001@mail.gmail.com>

Larry,

Is that 'unrecognizable" with a "ZEE" or a "ZED" ?  :-)

Henri


>
> Richard, we Yanks can't expect you Brits to pronounce words correctly when
> you can't spell them correctly.  "Unrecognizable" has a "z" not an "s".  And
> "tire" does not have a "y" in it.  I could go on, but you get the idea.  It
> took us leaving you to get this spelling thing straightened out.  ;-))
>
> Larry Daniels
>
> (With tongue firmly in cheek.)
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From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 10:15:25 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:15:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG Logo or Font
Message-ID: <3b8c3a8c0901070915j739423cbrded44495cd060bba@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone on the list have an electronic version of the MG Logo or
Font, suitable for printing or use on graphic files, and that they are
willing to share?

Thank you,

Henri
71 MGB GT

From rmort at bezeqint.net  Wed Jan  7 10:04:55 2009
From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:04:55 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com><FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
	<49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <002501c970eb$dd4ac4a0$363519ac@BIGMORT>

Hey, that ain't too far from New Ulm, prounounced Nwullum.

__________________________________________
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from Yorkshire was going to take up yodeling to lonely goats
in Bali, James White decided to balance four planks of wood
on a beer keg and call it an abstract work of art in the style
of a famous fourteenth-century architect, just going to prove
that people will read any old garbage if they think there will
be a good pun at the end of it.
__________________________________________
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles & Peggy Robinson" <ccrobins at ktc.com>
To: "Rod Williams" <PRNDL at sonic.net>
Cc: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


>   Shucks, it happens here in TX.  There's a lake spelled Buchanon maybe
> 50 miles north of Kerrville, where I live.  It's pronounced Buck-cannon
> by the locals.  Go figure.....  Pretty country, makes a nice MGB ride &
> picnic.
>
>    CR
>
>
> Rod Williams wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
> >
> >> who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.
> >
> > A number of years ago while working in the South of England, I had a day
> > off to myself and decided to drive to the British Motor Museum. It is
> > located in Beaulieu, Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand of
> > French motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always
> > pronounced "Bo-Lew". Of course, I got lost driving to the museum but
> > knew I was very close. Several times I stopped to ask the locals where
> > "Bo-Lew" was and was met with blank stares. Finally, I asked where
> > "Bo-Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed
> > and responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"" I have never, never
> > asked how "Beaulieu" became "Bu-Lee" and I never will. The museum was
> > fantastic.
> > -- 
> > Rod Williams
> > Petaluma, California
> > 1967 MGB
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From enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 10:24:01 2009
From: enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk (Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:24:01 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG Logo or Font
References: <3b8c3a8c0901070915j739423cbrded44495cd060bba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01A24D8C77124350AD552863507AE0F4@ClassicCarWorld.local>

Hi Henri, how big do you want it? Please see the following link and click 
the "View Large Image" link.

http://www.ccw-tools.com/Automotive/Stainless-Steel-Exhausts/M.G./c-1-597-1461-1488/

Kindest Regards

Tom
Tom McCay  Director  Classic-Car-World Ltd  32 Washingborough Road 
Heighington  Lincoln  LN4 1RE  01522 888178 (Tel)  0870 705 9115 (fax) 
enquiries at ccw-tools.com  www.ccw-tools.com

Registered address: 32 Washingborough Road  Heighington  Lincoln  LN4 1RE. 
Classic-Car-World Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with 
company number 3930761.  VAT registration number: 755 7630 05

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henri Lefebvre" <71mgbgt at gmail.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: [Mgs] MG Logo or Font


> Does anyone on the list have an electronic version of the MG Logo or
> Font, suitable for printing or use on graphic files, and that they are
> willing to share?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Henri
> 71 MGB GT
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 11:04:03 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:04:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com><FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net><49645174.9060507@ktc.com><9f2527520901070056m20af1ed7u87d82c7aeb996d2@mail.gmail.com><681F52E41D0A49439DAC58E5952CDE15@Larry>
	<3b8c3a8c0901070910s72c504kd2ee8cbd40c8b001@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A01C02E844C445DDAD2196230C421E30@Larry>

Henri, that would be "ZEE".  There is no "D" in "Z".

Ewww, this could get good.


Larry




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henri Lefebvre" <71mgbgt at gmail.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


Larry,

Is that 'unrecognizable" with a "ZEE" or a "ZED" ?  :-)

Henri


>
> Richard, we Yanks can't expect you Brits to pronounce words correctly when
> you can't spell them correctly.  "Unrecognizable" has a "z" not an "s". 
> And
> "tire" does not have a "y" in it.  I could go on, but you get the idea. 
> It
> took us leaving you to get this spelling thing straightened out.  ;-))
>
> Larry Daniels
>
> (With tongue firmly in cheek.)
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Jan  7 11:10:25 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:10:25 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three><49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com><4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
	<20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <34DF53EA0FF9445A822082D19834653F@uw471de61b465c>

How about the British money (penney).
A two pence (the word for more than one penney) coin is called twopence, 
pronounced toppence.

Cheers,

Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <saidel at camden.rutgers.edu>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] List Down?


> Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread.  In Boston,
> Dorchester is pronounce 'Dor-Chest-er' but Worcester 'Wister'.  I
> lived in the Boston area for 30 years and never understood it. Another
> 30 years later and I still don't understand it.
>
> Bill Saidel
>
>
>
> Regarding the lack of MGB material, here's a question I could use
> advice on. I have a 76 B and a 74 B. My 76 is my 1st...I've had it for
> 12 years. Clearly, I have an emotional attachment to it. Rationally,
> it is beginning to fall apart...fenders are held on with plumber's
> epoxy (great stuff). Rust in one of the main channels has poked a hole
> in it.. Still all is repairable and it rides nicely.
>
> The 74 is nicer in design, love the chrome bumper look, but it needs
> certain dash refurbishing (the 76 does not), a bit of body work
> (dents, not rust). Needs other stuff that I can do, too.
>
> I can only keep one and I think it is my last. I have between now and
> May to decide. Arghhhh.... Things I'd like to daydream about with
> either....a 6 cylinder engine, an upgraded braking system and a
> 5-speed manual transmission.
>
> Which do I stay with...???? What do I think about in making such a 
> decision?
> How's that for a question with no answer!
>
> Bill Saidel
> BMCSNJ

From palte at gmx.net  Wed Jan  7 11:38:04 2009
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:38:04 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
Message-ID: <20090107183836.6351E187662@autox.team.net>

Hi folks,

I have an electric clock, about 30 x 40 mm, in one of my other British cars.
(That is about the size of an oil pressure gauge on a late USA MGB).

It worked previously, but did not resume service after I had the car 
stand unused for a little over 20 years.
So, I would like to open the clock, but I am very reluctant to pry 
the bezel off.
AFAIK that is the only way to reach the interior.
I'm afraid the ridges of the bezel may break off.

Any suggestions on how to proceed?

Bert,
Holland, Europe.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 11:51:27 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4964F9AF.8040608@gmail.com>

Rod Williams wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
>
>> who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.
>
> A number of years ago while working in the South of England, I had a 
> day off to myself and decided to drive to the British Motor Museum. It 
> is located in Beaulieu, Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand 
> of French motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always 
> pronounced "Bo-Lew". Of course, I got lost driving to the museum but 
> knew I was very close. Several times I stopped to ask the locals where 
> "Bo-Lew" was and was met with blank stares. Finally, I asked where 
> "Bo-Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed 
> and responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"" I have never, never 
> asked how "Beaulieu" became "Bu-Lee" and I never will. The museum was 
> fantastic. 
Yes, it sure is, and the drive to the museum through the New Forest is also spectacular. There's a very good reason they pronounce it "Bewlee." It's the same reason they pronounce garage "gare ij" and Bernard "Burn urd." It's the same reason Texans mispronounce Spanish names. It's to show contempt.

-The Roxter
--

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 12:13:49 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:13:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1231354802.10082.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1231354802.10082.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <B7D2E19B-0CBF-4CF6-B343-66D0F72E64A8@sbcglobal.net>

How do you pronounce ghoti?

gh as in rough
o as in woman
ti as in notion

Give it a try....

BTW, the answer is fish....

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 12:23:04 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:23:04 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <B7D2E19B-0CBF-4CF6-B343-66D0F72E64A8@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

For this to work, you should have said "o as in women" (plural)...



on 1/7/09 11:13 AM, Mike Duvall at duvallcom at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> How do you pronounce ghoti?
> 
> gh as in rough
> o as in woman
> ti as in notion
> 
> Give it a try....
> 
> BTW, the answer is fish....

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 12:27:19 2009
From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <B7D2E19B-0CBF-4CF6-B343-66D0F72E64A8@sbcglobal.net>
	<C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <76664a460901071127j25eb7c92jf2864dd09484d26@mail.gmail.com>

I like plurals.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> For this to work, you should have said "o as in women" (plural)...
>
>
>
> on 1/7/09 11:13 AM, Mike Duvall at duvallcom at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> > How do you pronounce ghoti?
> >
> > gh as in rough
> > o as in woman
> > ti as in notion
> >
> > Give it a try....
> >
> > BTW, the answer is fish....
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 12:37:30 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:37:30 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <34DF53EA0FF9445A822082D19834653F@uw471de61b465c>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com> <4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
	<20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
	<34DF53EA0FF9445A822082D19834653F@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <40b437200901071137q4735a62dk3197a1697073c2ac@mail.gmail.com>

That's because "twopence" is a misspelling of the original: "tuppenny".

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl> wrote:
> How about the British money (penney).
> A two pence (the word for more than one penney) coin is called twopence,
> pronounced toppence.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Jan  7 12:54:12 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <3b8c3a8c0901070910s72c504kd2ee8cbd40c8b001@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three> <49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<40b437200901062138i282a433fl292d28b4bcfbaf54@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEBDBA97-40C4-4DE7-9890-6CCB47479A45@sonic.net>
	<49645174.9060507@ktc.com>
	<9f2527520901070056m20af1ed7u87d82c7aeb996d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<681F52E41D0A49439DAC58E5952CDE15@Larry>
	<3b8c3a8c0901070910s72c504kd2ee8cbd40c8b001@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1LKeg9-0006PY-Mg@zeta.look.ca>

Larry,

You miss the bit about speaking ENGLISH.  The "z" and is old 
fashioned and UK moved from that after the Yanks got the French to 
help them in the war of Independence.   As for the "y", the tyre was 
invented by a Brit (Scotsman Dunlop) so whatever he called it (tyre) 
is what it is !!!   - All the roots of English go back hundreds if 
not thousands of years and it is difficult to get credence as a 
language shaper after only a couple of centuries.

Also said with tongue in cheek....but hands over jewels as well.


At 12:10 PM 1/7/2009, Henri Lefebvre wrote:
>Larry,
>
>Is that 'unrecognizable" with a "ZEE" or a "ZED" ?  :-)
>
>Henri
>
>
> >
> > Richard, we Yanks can't expect you Brits to pronounce words correctly when
> > you can't spell them correctly.  "Unrecognizable" has a "z" not 
> an "s".  And
> > "tire" does not have a "y" in it.  I could go on, but you get the idea.  It
> > took us leaving you to get this spelling thing straightened out.  ;-))
> >
> > Larry Daniels
> >
> > (With tongue firmly in cheek.)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 13:21:53 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:21:53 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
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Barrie,

the ize/ise difference is  not so old fashioned. I have a Compact
Oxford Dictionary that I bought in 1975 which lists both spellings for
many "-ize"/"-ise" words. More interestingly, it shows the "-iZe"
spelling as preferred.

Simon

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> You miss the bit about speaking ENGLISH.  The "z" and is old
> fashioned and UK moved from that after the Yanks got the French to
> help them in the war of Independence.   As for the "y", the tyre was
> invented by a Brit (Scotsman Dunlop) so whatever he called it (tyre)
> is what it is !!!   - All the roots of English go back hundreds if
> not thousands of years and it is difficult to get credence as a
> language shaper after only a couple of centuries.
>
> Also said with tongue in cheek....but hands over jewels as well.

From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 14:27:42 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:27:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem
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Kevin,

I hope I am not too late, but ensure to use the appropriate clamp once
you have applied the remedy!

Hoping that the New Year will be Happier,

Henri



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> It may take more than one piece of bailing wire.
> Bob Shaw
> shaws at mlcltd.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>
>> I hate to burst your bubble, but one tube might not
>> be sufficient.
>>
>> mjb.
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 14:31:09 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
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References: <20090107183836.6351E187662@autox.team.net>
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Bert P wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have an electric clock, about 30 x 40 mm, in one of my other British 
> cars.
> (That is about the size of an oil pressure gauge on a late USA MGB).
>
> It worked previously, but did not resume service after I had the car 
> stand unused for a little over 20 years.
> So, I would like to open the clock, but I am very reluctant to pry the 
> bezel off.
> AFAIK that is the only way to reach the interior.
> I'm afraid the ridges of the bezel may break off.
>
> Any suggestions on how to proceed? 
Sometimes it's just a matter of twisting the bezel until the tabs line 
up with voids in the edge and the bezel can be slid off the gauge.

Often the rubber washer will deteriorate and make it hard to turn the bezel.
 
-The Roxter
--

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Wed Jan  7 15:33:15 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:33:15 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
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Yes its the ENGLISH language, not American....

Which coming from an Austrlalian is quite an admission..... :-)

Murray Arundell

On 08/01/2009, at 5:54 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote:

> Larry,
>
> You miss the bit about speaking ENGLISH.  The "z" and is old
> fashioned and UK moved from that after the Yanks got the French to
> help them in the war of Independence.   As for the "y", the tyre was
> invented by a Brit (Scotsman Dunlop) so whatever he called it (tyre)
> is what it is !!!   - All the roots of English go back hundreds if
> not thousands of years and it is difficult to get credence as a
> language shaper after only a couple of centuries.
>
> Also said with tongue in cheek....but hands over jewels as well.
>
>
> At 12:10 PM 1/7/2009, Henri Lefebvre wrote:
>> Larry,
>>
>> Is that 'unrecognizable" with a "ZEE" or a "ZED" ?  :-)
>>
>> Henri
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Richard, we Yanks can't expect you Brits to pronounce words  
>>> correctly when
>>> you can't spell them correctly.  "Unrecognizable" has a "z" not
>> an "s".  And
>>> "tire" does not have a "y" in it.  I could go on, but you get the  
>>> idea.  It
>>> took us leaving you to get this spelling thing straightened  
>>> out.  ;-))
>>>
>>> Larry Daniels
>>>
>>> (With tongue firmly in cheek.)
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> Regards
> Barrie
>
> Barrie Robinson
> (705) 721-9060
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 16:56:57 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
used by commoners are still German, and the words
used by royalty are French.

Examples:

House = Haus which is German
Palace = Palais which is French

Swine = Schwein which is German
Beef = Boeuf which is French

Boat = Boot which is German
Yacht = Yacht which is French.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Wed Jan  7 17:16:09 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
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It's rectangular, no twisting possible...

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of The Roxter
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:31 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal

Bert P wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have an electric clock, about 30 x 40 mm, in one of my other British 
> cars.
> (That is about the size of an oil pressure gauge on a late USA MGB).
>
> It worked previously, but did not resume service after I had the car 
> stand unused for a little over 20 years.
> So, I would like to open the clock, but I am very reluctant to pry the 
> bezel off.
> AFAIK that is the only way to reach the interior.
> I'm afraid the ridges of the bezel may break off.
>
> Any suggestions on how to proceed? 
Sometimes it's just a matter of twisting the bezel until the tabs line 
up with voids in the edge and the bezel can be slid off the gauge.

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 17:17:18 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:17:18 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 20, Issue 6
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of course that means the singular of fish is fosh


On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:57 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:23:04 -0800
> From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language
> To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> For this to work, you should have said "o as in women" (plural)...
>
>
>
> on 1/7/09 11:13 AM, Mike Duvall at duvallcom at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> How do you pronounce ghoti?
>>
>> gh as in rough
>> o as in woman
>> ti as in notion
>>
>> Give it a try....
>>
>> BTW, the answer is fish....
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From macgroup at comcast.net  Wed Jan  7 17:48:02 2009
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:48:02 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
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	<00a501c97126$4ebf36e0$ec3da4a0$@net>
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I'm assuming it's out of the dash sitting on your bench.  My advice is to
take it to a good watchmaker/clock shop that specializes in restoring old
timepieces.  There is nothing in there you can fix, but there is much you
can do to ruin it!  I've actually had old clocks restored by saving the face
and hands and installing new, modern guts when the old innards are beyond
repair.

Stuart
'65 MGB

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chad Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:16 PM
To: 'The Roxter'
Cc: 'MGS'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal

It's rectangular, no twisting possible...

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of The Roxter
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:31 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal

Bert P wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have an electric clock, about 30 x 40 mm, in one of my other British 
> cars.
> (That is about the size of an oil pressure gauge on a late USA MGB).
>
> It worked previously, but did not resume service after I had the car 
> stand unused for a little over 20 years.
> So, I would like to open the clock, but I am very reluctant to pry the 
> bezel off.
> AFAIK that is the only way to reach the interior.
> I'm afraid the ridges of the bezel may break off.
>
> Any suggestions on how to proceed? 
Sometimes it's just a matter of twisting the bezel until the tabs line 
up with voids in the edge and the bezel can be slid off the gauge.
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan  7 23:16:17 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:16:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
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  I live near the Llano (ya-noh in english) River.  I know how to 
pronounce it but I come from the TX - Mexico border and because of that 
know some Spanish.  Most folks around here don't how to pronounce Llano 
in Spanish, so they pronounce it in English.  It's not contempt, it's 
ignorance.  Not only that, the names were in Spanish because they saw 
'em first!

  Consider how you'd pronounce Salido Cr.  Or Rio Rojo in English.  HUH?

   These were named by the first guys on the scene!

   CR
















; how would you prono



The Roxter wrote:
> Rod Williams wrote:
  SNIP
>It's the same reason Texans mispronounce Spanish names. It's to 
> show contempt.
> 
> -The Roxter
> -- 

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan  7 23:16:29 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:16:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
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The Roxter wrote:
> Rod Williams wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> who told you that English was written phonetically? They were wrong.
>>
>> A number of years ago while working in the South of England, I had a 
>> day off to myself and decided to drive to the British Motor Museum. It 
>> is located in Beaulieu, Hampshire. For years I had worked with a brand 
>> of French motion picture camera spelled the same, which was always 
>> pronounced "Bo-Lew". Of course, I got lost driving to the museum but 
>> knew I was very close. Several times I stopped to ask the locals where 
>> "Bo-Lew" was and was met with blank stares. Finally, I asked where 
>> "Bo-Lew" was "you know, where the Motor Museum is". The local laughed 
>> and responded "oh, you're looking for "Bu-Lee"" I have never, never 
>> asked how "Beaulieu" became "Bu-Lee" and I never will. The museum was 
>> fantastic. 
> Yes, it sure is, and the drive to the museum through the New Forest is 
> also spectacular. There's a very good reason they pronounce it "Bewlee." 
> It's the same reason they pronounce garage "gare ij" and Bernard "Burn 
> urd." It's the same reason Texans mispronounce Spanish names. It's to 
> show contempt.
> 
> -The Roxter
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan  7 23:41:32 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:41:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <C77B7D27408F414CB302F411C6242B05@Three>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
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   It is opined that the various spellings of common names on the books 
in the USA are engendered by the lack of vocabular of the scribes who 
recorded the names for posterity. I.E.:  If they didn't know how to 
spell a name, they asked. You can imagine how the unlettered might respond.

   Many aristocrats couldn't read or write.  But they were taught, at 
least, to spell their name.  Their spelling, then, became subject to 
fading memory.

   CR
Paul Hunt wrote:
> Like many aristocratic names that seem to be pronounced illogically, it stems
> from said aristo's not knowing how to pronounce 'foreign' names in titles
> often awarded to them after winning battles abroad (Beaulieu being a case in
> point, as is Blenheim), and no one having the courage or temerity to tell them
> otherwise.  Interestingly in Beaulieu's case there is the original charter on
> the wall in one of the rooms of the house, and it has 'Bewly' in brackets
> after 'Beaulieu'.  On the death of Diana, Princess of Wales her birthplace
> Althorp was often mentioned and pronunciation varied between what you see and
> 'Althrup'.  In the end it turned out that only her brother Earl Spencer used
> 'Althrup', everyone else used the more obvious.  Although in that case it
> seems that his pronunciation is historically more correct, it is the modern
> spelling that is incorrect http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Althrop.
> That is the cause of many differences in pronunciation and spelling in the UK.
> More confusion stems from people from one part of the country writing down
> names in another, where none of the locals could read or write and so tell him
> how to spell it.  While doing family history research I came across a female
> ancestor in an original parish register with the name 'Cafern'.  It took me a
> while to realise it was almost certainly 'Catherine' but in a strong dialect
> that the vicar from another part of the world didn't really understand so
> could only write down phonetically.
> 
> PaulH.

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan  7 23:52:26 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:52:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
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	<4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
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When I visited my Mom and Late Stepfather in So. Hadley, MA; Worcester 
was Wooster.  I found that in my MA travels, knocking off the  middle 
syllables, (when in doubt) worked for me.  Traveled around the Cape in 
my MGB and did OK.

   CR




saidel at camden.rutgers.edu wrote:
> Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread.  In Boston,
> Dorchester is pronounce 'Dor-Chest-er' but Worcester 'Wister'.  I
> lived in the Boston area for 30 years and never understood it. Another
> 30 years later and I still don't understand it.
> 
> Bill Saidel

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 02:01:49 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:01:49 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three><49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three><20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
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In English English it's penny, not penney.  The current coin is a 2 pee or a
two pence coin i.e. two separate words, not twopence.  If you go back to pre
decimalisation days, as in Mary Poppins, the price of a bag of seed to feed
the birds was pronounced 'tuppence', not toppence.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  A two pence (the word for more than one penney) coin is called twopence,
  pronounced toppence.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 02:52:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:52:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three><49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com>
	<49643808.10203@bradakis.com><4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
	<20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <E97E47D5C6D14EA4838A0510F5A76CBB@Three>

The clue is in what you wrote - one is spelt 'chester' and the other 'cester'
and the two *are* treated differently, Dorchester, Barchester and others are
pronounced as they are spelt as well, Bicester is not, even though are both
are said to come from the Roman.  It's probably not universal,
Chester-le-Street for example is pronounced Chesleystreet with soft 's' in
both cases.  Many American place names particularly on the Eastern seaboard
came from the UK, and UK place names came from the Celtic, Anglo-Saxons i.e.
Germanic, Vikings i.e. Scandinavia, Romans i.e. latin, Normans i.e. French and
so on.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread.  In Boston,
  Dorchester is pronounce 'Dor-Chest-er' but Worcester 'Wister'.  I
  lived in the Boston area for 30 years and never understood it. Another
  30 years later and I still don't understand it.

From palte at gmx.net  Thu Jan  8 03:43:42 2009
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:43:42 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
In-Reply-To: <95FD530C3B4540DDB2BA60AF68E7C778@StusLaptopPC>
References: <20090107183836.6351E187662@autox.team.net><49651F1D.4080208@gmail.com>
	<00a501c97126$4ebf36e0$ec3da4a0$@net>
	<95FD530C3B4540DDB2BA60AF68E7C778@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <20090108104342.277340@gmx.net>

It has been many, many, years ago since I have dismantled such a clock.
IIRC there is an electromagnet inside that rewinds the coil spring when it is out of action.
This happens every 5 minutes or so, causing the clock to 'click'.
There is no mention of 'quartz' on the face of the clock,  so it is not an electronic one.

Come to think of it, probably the contact breaker points for the magnet inside the clock are corroded
(as was the case with the engine distributor, the car would not run initially 
since having been standing for over 20 years. Cleaning the CB points cleared that problem.
They were replaced shortly after, of course).

So, I'm now thinking of trying an electrical trick first, before dismantling.
I'll keep you informed. 


Bert





-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:48:02 -0800
> Von: "Stuart MacMillan" <macgroup at comcast.net>
> An: "\'Chad Cooper\'" <mgb72 at airmail.net>, mgs at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal

> I'm assuming it's out of the dash sitting on your bench.  My advice is to
> take it to a good watchmaker/clock shop that specializes in restoring old
> timepieces.  There is nothing in there you can fix, but there is much you
> can do to ruin it!  I've actually had old clocks restored by saving the
> face
> and hands and installing new, modern guts when the old innards are beyond
> repair.
> 
> Stuart
> '65 MGB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Chad Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:16 PM
> To: 'The Roxter'
> Cc: 'MGS'
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
> 
> It's rectangular, no twisting possible...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of The Roxter
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:31 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal
> 
> Bert P wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I have an electric clock, about 30 x 40 mm, in one of my other British 
> > cars.
> > (That is about the size of an oil pressure gauge on a late USA MGB).
> >
> > It worked previously, but did not resume service after I had the car 
> > stand unused for a little over 20 years.
> > So, I would like to open the clock, but I am very reluctant to pry the 
> > bezel off.
> > AFAIK that is the only way to reach the interior.
> > I'm afraid the ridges of the bezel may break off.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to proceed? 
> Sometimes it's just a matter of twisting the bezel until the tabs line 
> up with voids in the edge and the bezel can be slid off the gauge.

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From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Thu Jan  8 07:13:55 2009
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <4965A2AA.2080706@ktc.com>
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three>
	<49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com> <49643808.10203@bradakis.com>
	<4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three>
	<20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
	<4965A2AA.2080706@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>

I guess being from directly around Boston compared with So. Hadley is  
like being from Md and visiting Va. [Md, north of DC is not unlike  
northeast US; Va is (or was) more like the South.)  Same country,  
different accents.
Bill

Quoting Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com>:

> When I visited my Mom and Late Stepfather in So. Hadley, MA; Worcester
> was Wooster.  I found that in my MA travels, knocking off the  middle
> syllables, (when in doubt) worked for me.  Traveled around the Cape in
> my MGB and did OK.
>
>   CR

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 07:27:41 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three><49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three><20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
	<E97E47D5C6D14EA4838A0510F5A76CBB@Three>
Message-ID: <001d01c9719d$99834190$89090a0a@Ranteer.local>

thought i'd add some color to this one.  in the Philadelphia area there are
many welsch towns, such as Bryn Mawr (brin-mar), Bala Cynwood (bala kinwood),
and the hardest is the Schuylkill (school kill) River.

go west to Pittsburgh and you get indian names - the Monongahela River
(pronounced more or less as spelled, probably because its the english
enunciation translated into letters.

this is almost as interesting as talking about cars <grin>!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Paul Hunt
  To: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu ; mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


  The clue is in what you wrote - one is spelt 'chester' and the other
'cester'
  and the two *are* treated differently, Dorchester, Barchester and others
are
  pronounced as they are spelt as well, Bicester is not, even though are both
  are said to come from the Roman.  It's probably not universal,
  Chester-le-Street for example is pronounced Chesleystreet with soft 's' in
  both cases.  Many American place names particularly on the Eastern seaboard
  came from the UK, and UK place names came from the Celtic, Anglo-Saxons
i.e.
  Germanic, Vikings i.e. Scandinavia, Romans i.e. latin, Normans i.e. French
and
  so on.

  PaulH.
    ----- Original Message -----


    Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread.  In Boston,
    Dorchester is pronounce 'Dor-Chest-er' but Worcester 'Wister'.  I
    lived in the Boston area for 30 years and never understood it. Another
    30 years later and I still don't understand it.
  _______________________________________________

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan  8 08:07:28 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:07:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
Message-ID: <20090108.103147.3236.7.MGBOB@juno.com>

  Isn't   yacht   Dutch?
Bob


 
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:56:57 -0800 (PST) David Breneman
<david_breneman at yahoo.com> writes:
> Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
> German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
> French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
> used by commoners are still German, and the words
> used by royalty are French.
> 
> Examples:
> 
> House = Haus which is German
> Palace = Palais which is French
> 
> Swine = Schwein which is German
> Beef = Boeuf which is French
> 
> Boat = Boot which is German
> Yacht = Yacht which is French.
> 
> 
> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 08:08:29 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:08:29 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <005e01c9700a$7d570a90$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU><056FE726D8A34D34B8D9B3D031AB29D5@Three><49641DE7.1030908@ktc.com><49643808.10203@bradakis.com><4AF3CDEFA0DF450082BA5904DD55298B@Three><20090107100111.04hsjiruxq8wock0@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu><E97E47D5C6D14EA4838A0510F5A76CBB@Three>
	<001d01c9719d$99834190$89090a0a@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <28643A3EE259445F8231862C0477D329@Three>

'Welsh', per-lease.
  ----- Original Message -----


  thought i'd add some color to this one.  in the Philadelphia area there are
  many welsch towns...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 09:02:22 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:02:22 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <20090108.103147.3236.7.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1D6143D9945C4C988D2CC3D54EBED77D@Three>

Several on-line encyclopaedias seem to think so.

An old seaman was once asked what the difference between a boat and a ship
was.  He replied "A boat is what you get into when the ship sinks".

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


    Isn't   yacht   Dutch?

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan  8 08:54:25 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>

Despite Wikipedia the English language was spoken in Britain long 
before anyone landed from foreign shores.  It was subsequently 
expanded by adopting words from other languages -  a characteristic 
probably unique until the age of computers.  Notice how Wikiwhatsit 
describes it

English is a 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germanic_languages>West Germanic 
language originating in <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>England 
and is the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language>first language

The phrase " originating in 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>England " is VERY significant 
(and contradictory).  English contains Indian, Chinese, and all sorts 
words from other languages.....my god, even Australian !! "Public 
School (or BBC) English" came about because of King George's lack of 
good English and the court had to speak clearly and annunciate.

At 06:56 PM 1/7/2009, David Breneman wrote:
>Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
>German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
>French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
>used by commoners are still German, and the words
>used by royalty are French.
>
>Examples:
>
>House = Haus which is German
>Palace = Palais which is French
>
>Swine = Schwein which is German
>Beef = Boeuf which is French
>
>Boat = Boot which is German
>Yacht = Yacht which is French.
>
>
>David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 09:56:49 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:56:49 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <BA51D01F-1944-40F2-B72F-D3409B1CC67B@gmail.com>

In college I was the lone non-English major in an English lit course.
We read some of Beowolf in Old English, and four of the Canterbury  
Tales in Middle English.

I think that's why I still have headaches, 25 years on... :-)

On Jan 8, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote:

> Despite Wikipedia the English language was spoken in Britain long
> before anyone landed from foreign shores.  It was subsequently
> expanded by adopting words from other languages -  a characteristic
> probably unique until the age of computers.  Notice how Wikiwhatsit
> describes it
>
> English is a
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germanic_languages>West Germanic
> language originating in <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>England
> and is the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language>first language
>
> The phrase " originating in
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>England " is VERY significant
> (and contradictory).  English contains Indian, Chinese, and all sorts
> words from other languages.....my god, even Australian !! "Public
> School (or BBC) English" came about because of King George's lack of
> good English and the court had to speak clearly and annunciate.
>
> At 06:56 PM 1/7/2009, David Breneman wrote:
>> Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
>> German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
>> French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
>> used by commoners are still German, and the words
>> used by royalty are French.
>>
>> Examples:
>>
>> House = Haus which is German
>> Palace = Palais which is French
>>
>> Swine = Schwein which is German
>> Beef = Boeuf which is French
>>
>> Boat = Boot which is German
>> Yacht = Yacht which is French.
>>
>>
>> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>>
>> You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca
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> Regards
> Barrie
>
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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 11:30:24 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:30:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <20090108.103147.3236.7.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <394811.31402.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:

> Isn't   yacht   Dutch?

Bad example.  The French word for yacht is also yacht.
That's what you get for pulling examples off the top of
your head in the middle of the night after a long drive
home from work avoiding flooded out roads and drinking
a couple of beers to soothe your nerves before you read
your email.

  :-)

Still, the demarcation between "common" words of germanic
origin and "noble" words of french origin in modern
English is real. The division of Karl der Gro_e's Holy
Roman Empire between his two sons set in motion the split
of modern German and French from their original common root.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 11:39:59 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:39:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <167456.431.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> The phrase " originating in 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>England "
> is VERY significant (and contradictory). 

I'd suggest that the fact that English is now a distinct
language makes the clause "originating in England"
self-evident.  The inhabitants of the British Isles
were obviously speaking something before the Romans,
Angels and Saxons arrived, but what we now call
English wasn't it.  They were speaking something
akin to Celtic, and if you compare German and Celtic
to modern English, English is much more German
than Celtic.  But, of course, it's not modern German
any more than Swedish or Norwegian are. 

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 12:03:32 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:03:32 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <394811.31402.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090108.103147.3236.7.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<394811.31402.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200901081103u7bb9b4e7o9640eb7dc9760c8f@mail.gmail.com>

>The division of Karl der Gro_e's Holy
> Roman Empire between his two sons set in motion the split
> of modern German and French from their original common root.

Are you sure about that -- I have heard that the German language is a
decendent of Sanscrit (the origin of most Indian  languages).

Simon

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 12:20:13 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:20:13 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <40b437200901081103u7bb9b4e7o9640eb7dc9760c8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C58B91ED.1D51F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

All of the above are part of the Indo-European family of languages, along
with many, many others...

But an attempt to parse the relationships could fill volumes (and has).
Meanwhile, this mildly interesting but off-topic discussion has done nothing
to incentivize me into getting the B's engine back together...

Anyone have anything amusing to say on the subject of, say, camshafts?


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

on 1/8/09 11:03 AM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote:

>> The division of Karl der Gro_e's Holy
>> Roman Empire between his two sons set in motion the split
>> of modern German and French from their original common root.
> 
> Are you sure about that -- I have heard that the German language is a
> decendent of Sanscrit (the origin of most Indian  languages).
> 
> Simon

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 13:35:16 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <40b437200901081103u7bb9b4e7o9640eb7dc9760c8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443683.62412.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you sure about that -- I have heard that the German
> language is a
> decendent of Sanscrit (the origin of most Indian 
> languages).

All European languages are descended from Proto-Indo-European,
including Sanskrit.  I don't know offhand which modern
languages came through Sanskrit and which didn't.  But the
split of German and French occurred thousands of years later.
BTW, it was Karl's grandsons, not his sons (he had only one
heir) who divided the Holy Roman Empire into what later
became France and Germany.  Sorry for skipping a generation.

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Jan  8 13:58:27 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
Message-ID: <20090108.160943.3236.18.MGBOB@juno.com>

   Why yes.
   Avoid camshafts made from camembert. The surface coating is not as
hard as it appears.
Bob
 
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:20:13 -0800 Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> All of the above are part of the Indo-European family of languages, 
> along
> with many, many others...
> 
> But an attempt to parse the relationships could fill volumes (and 
> has).
> Meanwhile, this mildly interesting but off-topic discussion has done 
> nothing
> to incentivize me into getting the B's engine back together...
> 
> Anyone have anything amusing to say on the subject of, say, 
> camshafts?
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From eugeneb at nni.com  Thu Jan  8 14:40:42 2009
From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <web-170306027@admin.nni.com>

Worcester is pronounced Woostah  or sometimes Woostahs. 
Dorchester is Dooahchester.

  Also, remember in Massachusetts, you have the rule of the
"Conservation of the letter "R".   When you loose an R, you
must add one somewhere else.  As an example, the word "Car"
is pronounced "Cah" or "Caah".  You lost an "R".
 Conversely, the work "Pizza" is pronounced "Peetszer"  you
gain an "R" at the end.  The R is conserved.  

Take the Caah, and go get the peetzer - and pick up some
tonic on the way back.....

Safety Fast,

  Gene Balinski

80 B 


On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:13:55 -0500
 saidel at camden.rutgers.edu wrote:
> I guess being from directly around Boston compared with
> So. Hadley is  like being from Md and visiting Va. [Md,
> north of DC is not unlike  northeast US; Va is (or was)
> more like the South.)  Same country,  different accents.
> Bill
> 
> Quoting Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com>:
> 
> > When I visited my Mom and Late Stepfather in So.
> Hadley, MA; Worcester
> > was Wooster.  I found that in my MA travels, knocking
> off the  middle
> > syllables, (when in doubt) worked for me.  Traveled
> around the Cape in
> > my MGB and did OK.
> >
> >   CR
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu Jan  8 16:06:09 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:06:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <web-170306027@admin.nni.com>
References: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
	<web-170306027@admin.nni.com>
Message-ID: <20090108232116.D475E187644@autox.team.net>

In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic.

At 04:40 PM 1/8/2009 -0500, Eugene Balinski wrote:
>....
>   Also, remember in Massachusetts, ....
>
>Take the Caah, and go get the peetzer - and pick up some
>tonic on the way back.....
>....

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 17:03:53 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <20090108232116.D475E187644@autox.team.net>
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	<20090108232116.D475E187644@autox.team.net>
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Barney Gaylord wrote:
> In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic. 
It was tonic in 1959, in Boston and in Lowell.

And they smoked Seegahs from Cuber.

-The Roxter
--

From eugeneb at nni.com  Thu Jan  8 22:03:09 2009
From: eugeneb at nni.com (Eugene Balinski)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <49669469.4070707@gmail.com>
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> >>>>And they smoked Seegahs from Cuber. <<<

More evidence of the conservation of the letters of R's 
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 03:32:01 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:32:01 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu><web-170306027@admin.nni.com><20090108232116.D475E187644@autox.team.net>
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In the UK we use soda to clean drains ...
  ----- Original Message -----


  > In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan  9 03:30:09 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:30:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net><608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
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We weren't 'English' until after the Angles 'landed'.  There were Celts here
before that, and they got pushed into Wales and Ireland.  Scots are a
derivation of those, and they pushed the Picts out.  There were people is what
is now England before the North Sea separated us from continental Europe, I
very much doubt they spoke 'English', even though we may still have a few
words left over from then (probably rude ones).

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Despite Wikipedia the English language was spoken in Britain long
  before anyone landed from foreign shores.

From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca  Fri Jan  9 05:07:04 2009
From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
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	<11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
Message-ID: <001101c97252$c9329570$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91>

Like most MG enthusiasts I am not a linguist nor an anthropologist and have 
read this thread off and on. If its of interest the Geordie dialect, English 
with a twist in NEast England has a significant base in the language of the 
Scandinavian visitors from a long gone time, the Vikings. Anyone who has 
experienced the French spoken by either the Acadians and the Cajuns will 
know a language far different than Parisienne French, a language that 
incorporates words of the primary language that surrounded the French 
speakers for the last 300 hundred year: English. It happens all the time. We 
had a maternity leave fill in as a legal assistant who we let go because she 
kept transcribing dictation as though she was texting "2" instead of "to" 
and the like...who knows what English will be in 50 years after all that 
texting!

We all are influenced by what's around us-----even to the extent that Miata 
seats are in MG's!!!Lets get back to cars.

Malcolm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


> We weren't 'English' until after the Angles 'landed'.  There were Celts 
> here
> before that, and they got pushed into Wales and Ireland.  Scots are a
> derivation of those, and they pushed the Picts out.  There were people is 
> what
> is now England before the North Sea separated us from continental Europe, 
> I
> very much doubt they spoke 'English', even though we may still have a few
> words left over from then (probably rude ones).
>
> PaulH.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>  Despite Wikipedia the English language was spoken in Britain long
>  before anyone landed from foreign shores.
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From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Fri Jan  9 07:39:14 2009
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:39:14 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <20090108232103.59111148074@camden.rutgers.edu>
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Ever have a lime rickey in Cambrige...made with selter, but ask for a  
coke and you received tonic. Sorry to disagree.

When I moved to San Diego and asked for tonic, someone sent me to a  
barba shop.
Bill


Quoting Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>:

>
> In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic.
>
> At 04:40 PM 1/8/2009 -0500, Eugene Balinski wrote:
>> ....
>>  Also, remember in Massachusetts, ....
>>
>> Take the Caah, and go get the peetzer - and pick up some
>> tonic on the way back.....
>> ....

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 10:02:16 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:02:16 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <40b437200901090902p6392f2ebs3c5ae99abd0144c7@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall reading that a study of DNA showed that the people
were not pushed to Wales and Ireland -- rather it was the culture that
was pushed west and north. Mostly, people stayed put and adopted the
new culture.

Regards,
Simon


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> We weren't 'English' until after the Angles 'landed'.  There were Celts here
> before that, and they got pushed into Wales and Ireland.  Scots are a
> derivation of those, and they pushed the Picts out.  There were people is what
> is now England before the North Sea separated us from continental Europe, I
> very much doubt they spoke 'English', even though we may still have a few
> words left over from then (probably rude ones).
>
> PaulH.

From barrie at look.ca  Fri Jan  9 13:54:18 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:54:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
In-Reply-To: <37C68B94BF7F4A29927DE8F09E6DF79C@Three>
References: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>
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	<49669469.4070707@gmail.com> <37C68B94BF7F4A29927DE8F09E6DF79C@Three>
Message-ID: <E1LLOsm-0001R5-P6@delta.look.ca>

...and soda pop is the old chap who cleans them?



At 05:32 AM 1/9/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>In the UK we use soda to clean drains ...
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   > In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic.
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From barrie at look.ca  Fri Jan  9 14:03:22 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:03:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
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Paul,

The 'Scots' were those who came over from Dalriata in Ireland in the 
5th century, one of which was Ferus MacErc.  They eventually took 
over the Picts, original inhabitants of Scotland then called Alba - 
(thus Albion) and the name "Scots" was adopted.

One thing is for sure - They did not have any mode of transport made 
by British Leyland



At 05:30 AM 1/9/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>We weren't 'English' until after the Angles 'landed'.  There were Celts here
>before that, and they got pushed into Wales and Ireland.  Scots are a
>derivation of those, and they pushed the Picts out.  There were people is what
>is now England before the North Sea separated us from continental Europe, I
>very much doubt they spoke 'English', even though we may still have a few
>words left over from then (probably rude ones).
>
>PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   Despite Wikipedia the English language was spoken in Britain long
>   before anyone landed from foreign shores.
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Regards
Barrie

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http://www.britcot.com 

From grabow.bernie at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:01:57 2009
From: grabow.bernie at gmail.com (Bernie Grabow)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rust Repair
In-Reply-To: <bc67b4c60901091102t59d0f72eo4feeb37f36685ade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc67b4c60901091102t59d0f72eo4feeb37f36685ade@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>

I have a nice running 73 MGBGT which I use for everyday
transportation.  It looks great from 10 feet and even better from 20
feet and outstanding at speed.  A PO restored the interior and it
looks great.  However, when you get underneath you can see a lot of
metal termite damage to the sills (lots of bondo) and lots of rust in
other typical spots on MGs.  I have some experience with metal work on
a Healey that I restored but I have not attempted any metal repair on
an MG.  Is it possible to make repairs such as replacing sills and
jacking points without taking the MG apart to the point where it it
can't be driven?  I don't want to take the GT off the road for a
significant amount of time while making the repairs.  Anyone on the
list who has done a "rolling restoration" on a GT that can comment on
the viability of making metal repairs without putting the GT out of
commission for a long period of time while the repairs are made?  I
enjoy driving my GT year round (except when it's snowing!)

On 1/9/09, Bernie Grabow <grabow.bernie at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a nice running 73 MGBGT which I use for everyday
> transportation.  It looks great from 10 feet and even better from 20
> feet and outstanding at speed.  A PO restored the interior and it
> looks great.  However, when you get underneath you can see a lot of
> metal termite damage to the sills (lots of bondo) and lots of rust in
> other typical spots on MGs.  I have some experience with metal work on
> a Healey that I restored but I have not attempted any metal repair on
> an MG.  Is it possible to make repairs such as replacing sills and
> jacking points without taking the MG apart to the point where it it
> can't be driven?  I don't want to take the GT off the road for a
> significant amount of time while making the repairs.  Anyone on the
> list who has done a "rolling restoration" on a GT that can comment on
> the viability of making metal repairs without putting the GT out of
> commission for a long period of time while the repairs are made?  I
> enjoy driving my GT year round (except when it's snowing!)

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  9 16:11:50 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:11:50 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Rust Repair
In-Reply-To: <bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C58D19B6.1D5BD%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, the sills are structural, so if you cut out the rot, you won't be able
to drive it until you've welded in the new panels (and protected them with
paint, presumably). That goes for most of the underneath, I suppose.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/9/09 3:01 PM, Bernie Grabow at grabow.bernie at gmail.com wrote:

> I have a nice running 73 MGBGT which I use for everyday
> transportation.  It looks great from 10 feet and even better from 20
> feet and outstanding at speed.  A PO restored the interior and it
> looks great.  However, when you get underneath you can see a lot of
> metal termite damage to the sills (lots of bondo) and lots of rust in
> other typical spots on MGs.  I have some experience with metal work on
> a Healey that I restored but I have not attempted any metal repair on
> an MG.  Is it possible to make repairs such as replacing sills and
> jacking points without taking the MG apart to the point where it it
> can't be driven?  I don't want to take the GT off the road for a
> significant amount of time while making the repairs.  Anyone on the
> list who has done a "rolling restoration" on a GT that can comment on
> the viability of making metal repairs without putting the GT out of
> commission for a long period of time while the repairs are made?  I
> enjoy driving my GT year round (except when it's snowing!)

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Fri Jan  9 17:28:17 2009
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rust Repair
In-Reply-To: <bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc67b4c60901091102t59d0f72eo4feeb37f36685ade@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e540b17553039cd2e90616618eb94d1@ece.rochester.edu>

Bernie, Have done a few and the bad news is that the door sills are a 
structural part of the car. They are made up of 3 parts and a few small 
brackets inside the assy   I would not drive the car with them removed 
from the car.  Now with that said,  I have done both in a long week 
end.
that is working on the car all 3 days.  You do not know what you really 
are getting into until
you have cut the old ones out..  good luck
paul

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 10 01:33:04 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:33:04 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78A33B4D17614F9B8A816D6B437CCEE3@uw471de61b465c>

Hey David,

Don't forget to mentoin the Netherlands are in between the Brits and 
Germans!
Swine = Zwijn in Dutch
Boat = Boot in Dutch as well
Yacht = Jacht in Dutch!

Just some examples...

Cheers,

Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Breneman" <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


> Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
> German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
> French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
> used by commoners are still German, and the words
> used by royalty are French.
>
> Examples:
>
> House = Haus which is German
> Palace = Palais which is French
>
> Swine = Schwein which is German
> Beef = Boeuf which is French
>
> Boat = Boot which is German
> Yacht = Yacht which is French.
>
>
> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 10 01:36:26 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:36:26 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <20090108.103147.3236.7.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <390C4985D7174CF88B26517015D0D6A4@uw471de61b465c>

Yes Bob,

It's jacht.

Cheers,

Hans
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>
To: <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


> 
>  Isn't   yacht   Dutch?
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:56:57 -0800 (PST) David Breneman
> <david_breneman at yahoo.com> writes:
>> Just remember, folks, that English started out as a
>> German dialect, and was subsequently polluted with
>> French by the nobility.  That's why all the words
>> used by commoners are still German, and the words
>> used by royalty are French.
>> 
>> Examples:
>> 
>> House = Haus which is German
>> Palace = Palais which is French
>> 
>> Swine = Schwein which is German
>> Beef = Boeuf which is French
>> 
>> Boat = Boot which is German
>> Yacht = Yacht which is French.
>> 
>> 
>> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 10 01:39:55 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:39:55 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <394811.31402.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59876B2F60174743BB5DB3D2044EA4D0@uw471de61b465c>

Shall we start about US words being of true Dutch origin?
Harlem = Haarlem an ancient city in the netherlands 10 miles from the place 
i live.
Brooklyn = Breukelen - a little town 10 miles south of Amsterdam.

etc.


Cheers,
Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Breneman" <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
To: "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


> --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Bob Howard <mgbob at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Isn't   yacht   Dutch?
>
> Bad example.  The French word for yacht is also yacht.
> That's what you get for pulling examples off the top of
> your head in the middle of the night after a long drive
> home from work avoiding flooded out roads and drinking
> a couple of beers to soothe your nerves before you read
> your email.
>
>  :-)
>
> Still, the demarcation between "common" words of germanic
> origin and "noble" words of french origin in modern
> English is real. The division of Karl der Gro_e's Holy
> Roman Empire between his two sons set in motion the split
> of modern German and French from their original common root.
> _______________________________________________ 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat Jan 10 01:44:42 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:44:42 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] List Down?
References: <20090108091355.ay9tt2oc0oggcc4w@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu><web-170306027@admin.nni.com><20090108232116.D475E187644@autox.team.net><49669469.4070707@gmail.com>
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Caustic soda?

HD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] List Down?


> In the UK we use soda to clean drains ...
>  ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>  > In Boston, soda is definitely seltzer, not tonic.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 10 02:23:55 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:23:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
	<11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
	<E1LLOsn-0001R5-4m@delta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <812C8AC3FC894D63BDB57E80EEC87800@Three>

Not BL it's true, they had their own transport

http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image.php?inum=TGSE00089

:o)

  ----- Original Message -----
  The 'Scots' were those who came over from Dalriata in Ireland in the
  5th century, one of which was Ferus MacErc.  They eventually took
  over the Picts, original inhabitants of Scotland then called Alba -
  (thus Albion) and the name "Scots" was adopted.

  One thing is for sure - They did not have any mode of transport made
  by British Leyland

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 10 02:34:45 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:34:45 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <C58A4118.1D4A7%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<608334.95410.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1LKxvd-0006le-Hk@gamma.look.ca>
	<11EE9982C14F4D449EC905C0B2EFFBFF@Three>
	<40b437200901090902p6392f2ebs3c5ae99abd0144c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9D2490919554827ABC31C7F093D1523@Three>

I don't see how the culture would move without people taking it.  As far as
DNA goes I suppose it depends which theory one reads.  There is another that
says the current Irish, Welsh, Scots and English DNA owes more to Basques than
anything else, and the further west and north you go the stronger the
influence, i.e. the less dilution from later influxes.  As far as people
getting pushed out the same thing still happens today, although we are not
allowed to mention it.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I seem to recall reading that a study of DNA showed that the people
  were not pushed to Wales and Ireland -- rather it was the culture that
  was pushed west and north. Mostly, people stayed put and adopted the
  new culture.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 10 02:49:31 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:49:31 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Rust Repair
References: <bc67b4c60901091102t59d0f72eo4feeb37f36685ade@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECD57F35C3E74B3AA38618890BC461FA@Three>

Jacking points yes, comprehensive sill replacement i.e. outer curved section,
inner box section, internal membrane and castle rail no, at least on a
roadster.  You may be able to get away with replacing the outer curved sills
as when they are rotten they aren't adding much structural strength any more,
but if they are gone that bad it is almost certain that all the other pieces
will want replacing as well.  In that case just new outers won't add much if
what you are welding to isn't very good, you might just as well slap a cover
sill over the existing, which is purely cosmetic for appearances sake.  Whilst
a GT is certainly stronger and less likely to fold up I still wouldn't like to
drive one on public roads without any sills, it would collapse like a paper
bag in any kind of impact, and could still fold buckling the roof over bumps.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  comment on the viability of making metal repairs without putting the GT
out of commission for a long period of time while the repairs are made?

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sat Jan 10 03:55:18 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:25:18 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <59876B2F60174743BB5DB3D2044EA4D0@uw471de61b465c>
References: <394811.31402.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<59876B2F60174743BB5DB3D2044EA4D0@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <49687E96.5010507@erickson.on.net>

Hans Duinhoven wrote:
> Shall we start about US words being of true Dutch origin?
> Harlem = Haarlem an ancient city in the netherlands 10 miles from the 
> place i live.
> Brooklyn = Breukelen - a little town 10 miles south of Amsterdam.
> 


They are not "words" - they are anglicised place names.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 05:38:24 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:38:24 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
Message-ID: <mailman.8365.1231591119.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>

Hey Gang!  This is awesome!  An extended off-topic thread that for once, I didn't start!  :-P

Rick
MG-less, fot the time being...


------Original Message------
From: Paul Hunt
Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Simon Matthews
Cc: MG List
Sent: Jan 10, 2009 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language

I don't see how the culture would move without people taking it.  As far as
DNA goes I suppose it depends which theory one reads.  There is another that
says the current Irish, Welsh, Scots and English DNA owes more to Basques than
anything else, and the further west and north you go the stronger the
influence, i.e. the less dilution from later influxes.  As far as people
getting pushed out the same thing still happens today, although we are not
allowed to mention it.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I seem to recall reading that a study of DNA showed that the people
  were not pushed to Wales and Ireland -- rather it was the culture that
  was pushed west and north. Mostly, people stayed put and adopted the
  new culture.
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From frankk12 at verizon.net  Sat Jan 10 08:12:22 2009
From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <mailman.8365.1231591119.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F25FCABF7B994F998C88CCFC14CC9BEF@frankdcczr6l6k>

I really didn't intend to start this and hope it wasn't my post inquiring 
about the lack of activity on the list. You guys are sure making up for it.
Frank Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>; <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net>; 
"Simon Matthews" <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language


> Hey Gang!  This is awesome!  An extended off-topic thread that for once, I 
> didn't start!  :-P
>
> Rick
> MG-less, fot the time being...
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Paul Hunt
> Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: Simon Matthews
> Cc: MG List
> Sent: Jan 10, 2009 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Common Language
>
> I don't see how the culture would move without people taking it.  As far 
> as
> DNA goes I suppose it depends which theory one reads.  There is another 
> that
> says the current Irish, Welsh, Scots and English DNA owes more to Basques 
> than
> anything else, and the further west and north you go the stronger the
> influence, i.e. the less dilution from later influxes.  As far as people
> getting pushed out the same thing still happens today, although we are not
> allowed to mention it.
>
> PaulH.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>  I seem to recall reading that a study of DNA showed that the people
>  were not pushed to Wales and Ireland -- rather it was the culture that
>  was pushed west and north. Mostly, people stayed put and adopted the
>  new culture.
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From sgorr2 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 08:38:51 2009
From: sgorr2 at comcast.net (Steve Gorr)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:38:51 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change
Message-ID: <26CCEA698EA84F44B08BEFCCE852FDB9@HPZE4650us>

I will be replacing the brake hoses with braided steel/Teflon units sometime
this winter and Santa left a large bottle of silicon fluid. So I was wondering
if I should flush the lines with something before introducing the silicon
stuff. The existing brake fluid hasn't been flushed under my ownership other
than bleeding and topping off after rear wheel cylinders were changed 2 years
ago.

From barrie at look.ca  Sat Jan 10 09:12:19 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:12:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
Message-ID: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>

Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up in an MGB?

I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does 
all sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading 
engines (he is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he 
would love to do the transplant and already has some rear ends for 
other projects.

So anyone been there, done that?

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 09:47:53 2009
From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
References: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>

There are two guys that have started it, neither are finished.  Keith Tanner
is on MGExperience.net and has a blog site with details of his project MGB
GT and links to the other guy.  I can't remember Keith's site or I'd post it
direct.  If you can't find it Barrie, let me know and I'll go and dig on
MGE.

Anything can be done, go for it.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up in an MGB?
>
> I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does all
> sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading engines (he
> is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love to do the
> transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>
> So anyone been there, done that?
>
> Regards
> Barrie
>
> Barrie Robinson
> (705) 721-9060
> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
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From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Sat Jan 10 09:57:40 2009
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
	<76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CB62644-A4A8-4305-A80A-63E16713D04F@trebelhorn.com>

Kieth is at
http://www.slowcarfast.com/MG/

Not much about the rear suspension, yet.  But it looks like a fun  
project!
Matt

On 10 Jan, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Steve wrote:

> There are two guys that have started it, neither are finished.   
> Keith Tanner
> is on MGExperience.net and has a blog site with details of his  
> project MGB
> GT and links to the other guy.  I can't remember Keith's site or  
> I'd post it
> direct.  If you can't find it Barrie, let me know and I'll go and  
> dig on
> MGE.
>
> Anything can be done, go for it.
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>  
> wrote:
>
>> Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up  
>> in an MGB?
>>
>> I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does  
>> all
>> sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading  
>> engines (he
>> is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love  
>> to do the
>> transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>>
>> So anyone been there, done that?
>>
>> Regards
>> Barrie
>>
>> Barrie Robinson
>> (705) 721-9060
>> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>> http://www.britcot.com  
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From ddarby at centurytel.net  Sat Jan 10 11:54:12 2009
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:54:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Rust Repair
References: <bc67b4c60901091102t59d0f72eo4feeb37f36685ade@mail.gmail.com><bc67b4c60901091501t48254bd2se05f232e29c8a5b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ECD57F35C3E74B3AA38618890BC461FA@Three>
Message-ID: <9A54022C3D854BBA989C2F90209223C1@toshibauser>

I once hauled in an abandoned GT for parts. It went onto the trailer fine, 
but the floor pan and what little remained of the sills broke in half whilst 
unloading, stranding the thing halfway-on and halfway-off of the trailer. We 
placed a floor jack under the front member and drove a steel fence post into 
the ground behind the trailer. Then we chained the rear bumper support to 
the post and finally offloaded the thing by driving the trailer out from 
underneath it.

Surprisingly, the car didn't look that bad from the topside.

David 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 10 12:17:03 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:17:03 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <mailman.8365.1231591119.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<F25FCABF7B994F998C88CCFC14CC9BEF@frankdcczr6l6k>
Message-ID: <006e01c9735a$2b2b5200$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

trade provides interaction with other cultures.  so does war.
>
> I don't see how the culture would move without people taking it.  As far
> as

From wtsnyder at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan 10 16:15:23 2009
From: wtsnyder at bellsouth.net (Bill Snyder)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Ignition Switch Issues?
Message-ID: <F28412B4F3E146F6B818B718A638BAEE@DVMMANAGER.local>

Hello list. After being unstarted for a couple of months, I needed to crank
up the '67 MGB this afternoon and get her out of the garage. It is equipped
with a stock ignition switch and a starter button and has been since I
bought it 12 years ago. You typically turn on the ignition switch just the
finst click, not to the start position, and you can see the ignition lamp
light up and hear the fuel pump chatter. Today, nothing, so I thought the
battery was down. I hooked up the charger, and still nothing. After some
investigation, I found that if I turn the ignition switch all the way to the
"start" position, the fuel pump starts, and if the starter button is
depressed, the starter motor engages and the engine cranks. When the switch
is allowed to return to the "on" position, the engine dies because the fuel
pump stops.

Any ideas? Is my ignition switch shot? All help welcomed.

Bill Snyder
Waynesville, NC
'67 MGB
'53 MGTD

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Fri Jan  9 21:10:18 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:10:18 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
	<76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DFB5C3F-A512-43F2-9929-7860077A420A@ghs.com.au>

Why bother to reinvent the wheel?  In off the shelf IRS rear end is  
available off the shelf in the UK.

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

On 11/01/2009, at 2:47 AM, Steve wrote:

> There are two guys that have started it, neither are finished.   
> Keith Tanner
> is on MGExperience.net and has a blog site with details of his  
> project MGB
> GT and links to the other guy.  I can't remember Keith's site or I'd  
> post it
> direct.  If you can't find it Barrie, let me know and I'll go and  
> dig on
> MGE.
>
> Anything can be done, go for it.
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>  
> wrote:
>
>> Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up in  
>> an MGB?
>>
>> I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does  
>> all
>> sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading  
>> engines (he
>> is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love  
>> to do the
>> transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>>
>> So anyone been there, done that?
>>
>> Regards
>> Barrie
>>
>> Barrie Robinson
>> (705) 721-9060
>> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>> http://www.britcot.com  
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Fri Jan  9 21:14:47 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:14:47 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <9CB62644-A4A8-4305-A80A-63E16713D04F@trebelhorn.com>
References: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
	<76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CB62644-A4A8-4305-A80A-63E16713D04F@trebelhorn.com>
Message-ID: <548E2D5C-3D30-4250-8123-3E050F3327EE@ghs.com.au>

MGB IRS also has been done in the US go to http://www.customrodworks.com/links.html

Murray Arundell

On 11/01/2009, at 2:57 AM, Matt Trebelhorn wrote:

> Kieth is at
> http://www.slowcarfast.com/MG/
>
> Not much about the rear suspension, yet.  But it looks like a fun  
> project!
> Matt
>
> On 10 Jan, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>> There are two guys that have started it, neither are finished.   
>> Keith Tanner
>> is on MGExperience.net and has a blog site with details of his  
>> project MGB
>> GT and links to the other guy.  I can't remember Keith's site or  
>> I'd post it
>> direct.  If you can't find it Barrie, let me know and I'll go and  
>> dig on
>> MGE.
>>
>> Anything can be done, go for it.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up  
>>> in an MGB?
>>>
>>> I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does  
>>> all
>>> sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading  
>>> engines (he
>>> is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love  
>>> to do the
>>> transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>>>
>>> So anyone been there, done that?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Barrie
>>>
>>> Barrie Robinson
>>> (705) 721-9060
>>> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>>> http://www.britcot.com  
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 11 02:08:45 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:08:45 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change
In-Reply-To: <26CCEA698EA84F44B08BEFCCE852FDB9@HPZE4650us>
References: <26CCEA698EA84F44B08BEFCCE852FDB9@HPZE4650us>
Message-ID: <9f2527520901110108t5099ad4dwa4f8870992024739@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, you should flush the system with denatured alcohol / methylated spirits
before introducing the silicone fluid.

I have heard tell that all seals should be replaced when you switch to
silicone, but others have apparently made the switch without replacing seals
and it has been OK.  But this is hearsay, so don't take my word for it!!

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Jan 11 04:01:17 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:01:17 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Ignition Switch Issues?
References: <F28412B4F3E146F6B818B718A638BAEE@DVMMANAGER.local>
Message-ID: <7179D064F29B45FEAA0D534502CB10D8@Three>

Why the starter button?  To look good or because the ignition switch was on
the way out?  If the latter then it probably is the switch failed a bit more.
OTOH it sounds like the ignition wire (white) has been moved to the start
position (white/red) instead and the white/red left off.  A 67 ignition switch
should only have three wires - brown on 3, white on 2 and white/red on 1.  Off
only brown/3 should be powered.  In the run position brown/3 and white/2
should be powered.  In the start position all three should be powered.  If you
find that in the off and run positions only the brown is powered, but in start
all three are powered, then it looks like the brown and white/red wires have
been reversed, i.e. maybe someone thought the terminal numbering was logical!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ... I found that if I turn the ignition switch all the way to the
  "start" position, the fuel pump starts, and if the starter button is
  depressed, the starter motor engages and the engine cranks. When the switch
  is allowed to return to the "on" position, the engine dies because the fuel
  pump stops.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 06:54:37 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:54:37 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change
Message-ID: <mailman.8501.1231682092.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>

Richard, I think the reason for the uncertainty regarding the seals is based upon the vintage of the seals. If they are relatively new they may be made from a compound compatible with DOT5. Older/original rubber may not be. And since we're talking brakes, wouldn't a proper rebuild be prudent?  I mean, the reason to switch to DOT5 is high temp performance and freedom from DOT4's hydroscopic nature. The former says you should rebuild anyway unless your brakes are new. The later is just a matter of good brake maintenance. Either fluid should be flushed annually. 

Just my unsolicited two cents. :-)

Rick
------Original Message------
From: Richard Gosling
Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Steve Gorr
Cc: Mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Jan 11, 2009 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change

Yes, you should flush the system with denatured alcohol / methylated spirits
before introducing the silicone fluid.

I have heard tell that all seals should be replaced when you switch to
silicone, but others have apparently made the switch without replacing seals
and it has been OK.  But this is hearsay, so don't take my word for it!!

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Jan 11 08:00:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:00:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] If you didn't like Top Gear on the Tesla ...
References: <BD8327ED3B424CB6BA0E3732C8E885FE@Larry>
Message-ID: <7627C054E52E4D8482DAF711CB887A06@Three>

... then you're really gonna hate this

Heh heh.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5483422.ece

  ----- Original Message -----


  It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric
car.
  So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show.


  http://tinyurl.com/9moylj

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 08:46:14 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:46:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] If you didn't like Top Gear on the Tesla ...
In-Reply-To: <7627C054E52E4D8482DAF711CB887A06@Three>
Message-ID: <429718.70139.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Brilliant.  Thank you.

rick


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: [Mgs] If you didn't like Top Gear on the Tesla ...
> To: MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com, "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:00 AM
> ... then you're really gonna hate this
> 
> Heh heh.
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5483422.ece
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a
> Tesla electric
> car.
>   So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their
> BBC show.
> 
> 
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Jan 11 09:19:48 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:19:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] If you didn't like Top Gear on the Tesla ...
In-Reply-To: <7627C054E52E4D8482DAF711CB887A06@Three>
References: <BD8327ED3B424CB6BA0E3732C8E885FE@Larry>
	<7627C054E52E4D8482DAF711CB887A06@Three>
Message-ID: <496A1C24.5090509@ktc.com>

I suppose he threw in that silly comment to generate more controversy. 
Seems it's what he thrives on.

   CR


Paul Hunt wrote:
> ... then you're really gonna hate this
> 
> Heh heh.
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article5483422.ece
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric
> car.
>   So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show.
> 
> 
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From bobmgtd at comcast.net  Sun Jan 11 09:43:03 2009
From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:43:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
Message-ID: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

I discovered that the tires on my MGB are 12 years old. According to the "MGB
Driver" magazine, they are no longer safe at this age. The old tires are
175-65-14 which set the car one inch lower than normal. This was a big
mistake. My muffler has many scars from speed bumps and driveway curbs.

Anyway, my mechanic recomends 185-70-14s. Can anyone recomend a good tire
model? Most of my driving is fair weather touring, no racing.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 09:53:09 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:53:09 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change
References: <26CCEA698EA84F44B08BEFCCE852FDB9@HPZE4650us>
	<9f2527520901110108t5099ad4dwa4f8870992024739@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c9740d$65cb29e0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

i've switched 3 cars over without replacing the seals.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Richard Gosling
  To: Steve Gorr
  Cc: Mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change


  Yes, you should flush the system with denatured alcohol / methylated
spirits
  before introducing the silicone fluid.

  I have heard tell that all seals should be replaced when you switch to
  silicone, but others have apparently made the switch without replacing
seals
  and it has been OK.  But this is hearsay, so don't take my word for it!!

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 10:07:26 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:07:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
In-Reply-To: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
References: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <B613BA6C-3EA5-4A2E-A676-8728576977F8@gmail.com>

I like the Kumho's I got from Tire Rack.

On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Bob Donahue wrote:

> I discovered that the tires on my MGB are 12 years old. According to  
> the "MGB
> Driver" magazine, they are no longer safe at this age. The old tires  
> are
> 175-65-14 which set the car one inch lower than normal. This was a big
> mistake. My muffler has many scars from speed bumps and driveway  
> curbs.
>
> Anyway, my mechanic recomends 185-70-14s. Can anyone recomend a good  
> tire
> model? Most of my driving is fair weather touring, no racing.
>
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>               Hoosier MGB Club
>               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 11 10:18:44 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <7DFB5C3F-A512-43F2-9929-7860077A420A@ghs.com.au>
References: <E1LLgTd-000801-Ka@zeta.look.ca>
	<76664a460901100847o4a57cd8ak6370fae3e5d17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7DFB5C3F-A512-43F2-9929-7860077A420A@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <E1LM4SM-0007T9-GN@iota.look.ca>

Murray,

The off the shelf is around $8.4k including freight
A used Miata set up can be got from breakers for $200-300 and $10 for 
petrol to go get it

So that is a pretty good reason


At 11:10 PM 1/9/2009, Murray Arundell wrote:
>Why bother to reinvent the wheel?  In off the shelf IRS rear end is
>available off the shelf in the UK.
>
>Murray Arundell
>Brisbane Australia
>
>On 11/01/2009, at 2:47 AM, Steve wrote:
>
>>There are two guys that have started it, neither are finished.
>>Keith Tanner
>>is on MGExperience.net and has a blog site with details of his
>>project MGB
>>GT and links to the other guy.  I can't remember Keith's site or I'd
>>post it
>>direct.  If you can't find it Barrie, let me know and I'll go and
>>dig on
>>MGE.
>>
>>Anything can be done, go for it.
>>
>>On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up in
>>>an MGB?
>>>
>>>I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does
>>>all
>>>sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading
>>>engines (he
>>>is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love
>>>to do the
>>>transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>>>
>>>So anyone been there, done that?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Barrie
>>>
>>>Barrie Robinson
>>>(705) 721-9060
>>>http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>>>http://www.britcot.com
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Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 10:55:09 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
Message-ID: <mailman.8547.1231696524.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>

Kumhos have been good for me. A few years ago I had one tire that was factory defective. It had a pin hole leak that drove us nuts. But that was an exception. 

Lately, I've used Generals on my Mercedes, Ferrari and Land Rover. They get great consumer ratings,
.  They're sticky, quiet and best of all, are cheap at TireRack. 

Rick
------Original Message------
From: Paul Root
Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Bob Donahue
Cc: mgs
Sent: Jan 11, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?

I like the Kumho's I got from Tire Rack.

On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Bob Donahue wrote:

> I discovered that the tires on my MGB are 12 years old. According to  
> the "MGB
> Driver" magazine, they are no longer safe at this age. The old tires  
> are
> 175-65-14 which set the car one inch lower than normal. This was a big
> mistake. My muffler has many scars from speed bumps and driveway  
> curbs.
>
> Anyway, my mechanic recomends 185-70-14s. Can anyone recomend a good  
> tire
> model? Most of my driving is fair weather touring, no racing.
>
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>               Hoosier MGB Club
>               Olde Octagons of Indiana
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 10:57:55 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:57:55 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
Message-ID: <mailman.8548.1231696693.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>

Sadly, I believe that Generals may only be available in North America. My friend Rui in Portugal had never heard of the brand. 

I just wrote,

Kumhos have been good for me. A few years ago I had one tire that was factory defective. It had a pin hole leak that drove us nuts. But that was an exception. 

Lately, I've used Generals on my Mercedes, Ferrari and Land Rover. They get great consumer ratings,
  They're sticky, quiet and best of all, are cheap at TireRack. 

Rick
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From 1971mgb at cox.net  Sun Jan 11 12:33:20 2009
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (Bernd)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] help with MGB original price
Message-ID: <20090111143320.6STVW.379201.imail@eastrmwml33>

can anyone direct me to a site where I could find the original factory list prices for the various years our MGB's were  build..
As always thank you in advance
71 MGB

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 13:22:49 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:22:49 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
Message-ID: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
nasty looking. See photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157612402265283/

In brief, they were pitted, the edges were chipped, and none of them showed
the faintest trace of convexity -- in fact, they would be better described
as concave. Numbers 4 and 8 even had clear wear patterns showing that they
had not been rotating at any time recently.

Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, with no
grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.

So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and break them
in. Comments?




--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 13:41:39 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:41:39 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Miata rear end
In-Reply-To: <E1LM4SM-0007T9-GN@iota.look.ca>
Message-ID: <C58F9983.1D63F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Taking an indefinite (infinite?) amount of time to attempt to
engineer/install/debug it is the downside...

And what have you gained? A reasonably well-located live axle is probably
just as effective within the performance parameters of tthe MGB, and
arguably more fun to drive.

People just have too much time on their hands, apparently...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/11/09 9:18 AM, Barrie Robinson at barrie at look.ca wrote:

> Murray,
> 
> The off the shelf is around $8.4k including freight
> A used Miata set up can be got from breakers for $200-300 and $10 for
> petrol to go get it
> 
> So that is a pretty good reason
> 
> 
> At 11:10 PM 1/9/2009, Murray Arundell wrote:
>> Why bother to reinvent the wheel?  In off the shelf IRS rear end is
>> available off the shelf in the UK.
>> 
>> Murray Arundell
>> Brisbane Australia
>> 

>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you know of anyone who has put a Miata rear suspension set up in
>>>> an MGB?
>>>> 
>>>> I am toying with the idea as I have a demon of a mechanic who does
>>>> all
>>>> sorts of mods to rice burners, swapping suspensions, upgrading
>>>> engines (he
>>>> is getting 400 bhp out of a small rotary).   He says he would love
>>>> to do the
>>>> transplant and already has some rear ends for other projects.
>>>> 
>>>> So anyone been there, done that?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Barrie
>>>> 
>>>> Barrie Robinson
>>>> (705) 721-9060
>>>> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>>>> http://www.britcot.com

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 13:35:12 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:35:12 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
In-Reply-To: <D9D2490919554827ABC31C7F093D1523@Three>
Message-ID: <C58F9800.1D63D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Easy -- look at the Romans, for example. All the "Romance" languages are
based on Latin, but that doesn't mean that all the people of France, Italy,
Spain, etc. are descended from Romans who displaced or eliminated their
predecessors. The minority conquerors just installed their language, system
of laws, customs, etc., and the majority locals had to get used to it. By
the time the Empire fell, the Roman culture was firmly established, and
later indigenous rulers such as Charlemagne still used it as a template.

Why do most people in Ireland speak English? Same thing -- a minority
conqueror imposed their language. But are most Irish genetically English? I
wouldn't suggest that in Dublin...



on 1/10/09 1:34 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> I don't see how the culture would move without people taking it.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 15:18:29 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:18:29 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10901111418q52ce03b9udade22df9cca9c57@mail.gmail.com>

Can you install just new tappets?
Sure.
The question is should you install just new tappets?  IMHO no.  Tappets are
supposed to spin while the engine runs.  It appears to me that your tappets
haven't been spinning, causing the concave wear pattern.
If it were my engine (and I have BTDT) I would install a new cam and new
lifters.
$.02
Rick

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
> prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
> nasty looking. See photos here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157612402265283/
>
> In brief, they were pitted, the edges were chipped, and none of them showed
> the faintest trace of convexity -- in fact, they would be better described
> as concave. Numbers 4 and 8 even had clear wear patterns showing that they
> had not been rotating at any time recently.
>
> Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, with no
> grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.
>
> So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and break them
> in. Comments?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 11 17:15:57 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:15:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10901111418q52ce03b9udade22df9cca9c57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C58FCBBD.1D654%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

OK, what about the proposition that this is wear caused by lack of zinc
additives in Castrol 20W50? Comments?



on 1/11/09 2:18 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> Can you install just new tappets?
> Sure.
> The question is should you install just new tappets?  IMHO no.  Tappets are
> supposed to spin while the engine runs.  It appears to me that your tappets
> haven't been spinning, causing the concave wear pattern.
> If it were my engine (and I have BTDT) I would install a new cam and new
> lifters.
> $.02
> Rick
> 
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
>> prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
>> nasty looking. See photos here:
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157612402265283/
>> 
>> In brief, they were pitted, the edges were chipped, and none of them showed
>> the faintest trace of convexity -- in fact, they would be better described
>> as concave. Numbers 4 and 8 even had clear wear patterns showing that they
>> had not been rotating at any time recently.
>> 
>> Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, with no
>> grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.
>> 
>> So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and break them
>> in. Comments?
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Jan 11 18:06:04 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEIPCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Max:

<<Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought 
it would be prudent to take a gander at the tappets.>>

"prudent" indeed AND a GREAT move !!

<<It turned out they were pretty nasty looking. See photos here:>>

Ugh AND Ugh !!

<<Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, 
with no grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.>>

"Appeared" being the KEY word !!!  Cam SHOULD come out and
be inspected by a shop.  Cam bearings SHOULD be replaced!!

<<So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and 
break them in. Comments?>>

Sure<G>.  NO and ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!  PERIOD !!

And Rick ?? :

<<If it were my engine (and I have BTDT) I would install a new cam 
and new lifters.  $.02>>

$100.00 NOT $.02<VBG>!!

<<OK, what about the proposition that this is wear caused by 
lack of zinc additives in Castrol 20W50?>>

In your case Max, 'lack' had ZERO 'cause' IMHO.

Further and again IMHO, a SERIOUS look see at Main & Rod 
bearingS is MANDATORY !!!  The 'metal' from that lifter set
went SOMEWHERE !!

IIRC your motor is 'tired' to begin with?!?!?  Add the 'condition'
of those lifters to the equation ....

If it was MY (er, Wife's <VBG>) motor or a Customers', or my
Big Healey's, and/or either of my '70 El Caminos' motors I would 
be doing a FULL rebuild.  PERIOD.

I am also fairly certain that in the back of your mind that you HAD
reached that conclusion AND that you KNOW I am correct.

Ed
Please visit my site at:		www.justbrits.com

PS:  For ALL Listers, I have been having the single WORST GROUP
of computer problems for the past (roughly) 10 days.  If you have
written me (or the reverse) PLEASE either RE-write me or REMIND
me as I have 'lost' a TON of 'stuff' including "saved" eMails<VBF>!!

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 18:35:23 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:35:23 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEIPCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEIPCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10901111735r438b2a22i6d8a6b5b6cde583f@mail.gmail.com>

> And Rick ?? :
>
> <<If it were my engine (and I have BTDT) I would install a new cam
> and new lifters.  $.02>>
>
> $100.00 NOT $.02<VBG>!!
>
> Ed,
Hey this is the internet.  For all you know, I am actually a blonde
supermodel that doesn't know a damn thing about cars.

From wtsnyder at bellsouth.net  Sun Jan 11 18:35:48 2009
From: wtsnyder at bellsouth.net (wtsnyder at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:35:48 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Ignition Problems
Message-ID: <20090112013615.18287187645@autox.team.net>

Thanks to those who answered my previous query regarding a probable faulty
ignition switch. Apparently DPO solved the issue of a faulty switch by
adding a starter button. I have ordered a new switch, but now face another
issue. My MGB is a 1967, and as pointed out by some helpful listers,
switches of that era had only three connections:

 

Terminal 1 on the switch attaches to the white/red wire that goes to the
solenoid.

Terminal 2 attaches to white wires running to the a) ignition lamp, b) horn
push and c) ignition coil (via the tachometer).

Terminal 3 attaches to the brown wire that runs to the control box.

 

Apparently at one time there was some damage to my loom on some of these
circuits because DPO ran separate wire for a couple of these connections.

The white/red is spliced to a wire that runs through the added starter
button and from there to a contact on the solenoid.

Then to confuse things further, there are FOUR connections on my solenoid
including 2 heavy gauge black cables to the starter and battery
respectfully, the wire coming from the starter button, and a fourth run
directly from another ignition switch contact.

 

Now, to complicate matters, DCO (dumb current owner) marked the current
switch to indicate which or these confused wires attached where, then
promptly rubbed off my sharpie markings while trying to repair the switch.

 

I would like to rewire back to original configuration for future simplicity,
both for myself, and for either of my sons or other DFO's (d.future owners)
who might have need to trace down a problem.

Do I need a different solenoid? Can I just leave the 4th contact empty?

Are my indications of terminal connections to a new ignition as listed above
correct?

I'm wondering what filled the dash hole that currently contains the starter
button. I currently have from left to right on my metal dash 1) Ignition
switch, 2) windscreen washer button, 3) starter button 4) heater blower
switch and 5) wipers.

 

Other possible pitfalls that anyone can point out and other advise are also
appreciated!

 

Bill Snyder

Waynesville, NC

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 19:07:03 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEIPCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEIPCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10901111807x77303b7al78b2e9ea6566046@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ed, before I got too hot and bothered about the mains and rods (which
probably need replacing anyway*) I would inspect the oil pump.
Thing about it.  The oil pump gets unfiltered oil, the mains and rods get
filtered oil.  Those pieces of lifter will tear the hell out of the oil pump
first.

*then when you pull the rods, mic them and find they need to be sized, and
new pins fitted.  Then mic the crank and find it needs to be ground...
Want me to go on <G>

Rick


> Further and again IMHO, a SERIOUS look see at Main & Rod
> bearingS is MANDATORY !!!  The 'metal' from that lifter set
> went SOMEWHERE !!

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Jan 11 20:15:25 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:15:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <496AB5CD.1040300@ktc.com>

I'd replace the cam.  Bound to be badly worn.  --  CR

Max Heim wrote:
> Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
> prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
> nasty looking. See photos here:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157612402265283/
> 
> In brief, they were pitted, the edges were chipped, and none of them showed
> the faintest trace of convexity -- in fact, they would be better described
> as concave. Numbers 4 and 8 even had clear wear patterns showing that they
> had not been rotating at any time recently.
> 
> Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, with no
> grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.
> 
> So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and break them
> in. Comments?
> > 
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Jan 11 20:22:43 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:22:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
In-Reply-To: <B613BA6C-3EA5-4A2E-A676-8728576977F8@gmail.com>
References: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
	<B613BA6C-3EA5-4A2E-A676-8728576977F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <496AB783.1040603@ktc.com>

I have Cooper Trendsetter SE's in 185-70 R 14 size.  Been a good touring 
tire.

   CR

> On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Bob Donahue wrote:
> 
> Anyway, my mechanic recomends 185-70-14s. Can anyone recomend a good tire
>> model? Most of my driving is fair weather touring, no racing.
>>
>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>> Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>               Hoosier MGB Club
>>               Olde Octagons of Indiana
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 12 01:45:24 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:45:24 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] help with MGB original price
References: <20090111143320.6STVW.379201.imail@eastrmwml33>
Message-ID: <E3FAE2954D244D038DB31FE6B4F1699E@Three>

UK or elsewhere?  UK roadster prices can be derived from the chart in Lyndsay
Porter's 'Guide to Purchase and DIY Restoration of the MGB', republished as
'The MGB Restoration Manual'.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  can anyone direct me to a site where I could find the original factory list
prices for the various years our MGB's were  build..

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 12 01:59:09 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:59:09 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Common Language
References: <C58F9800.1D63D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <EF4A8823AE6F4021BD08E59FAFFFD980@Three>

That's what I meant, the Romans (and the previous invaders) *did* take their
culture to England through conquering them, I said nothing about being
descended from them, just that a lot of place names, words and language had
arrived with each influx, but progressively less as you move further away from
their point of entry.

The Irish (and Welsh and Scots) may not like it but that doesn't change the
fact that 88%, 81%, 79% respectively and 68% of the English all have the same
antecedents.  It's the Anglo-Saxon and later influences they object to.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----


  Easy -- look at the Romans, for example. All the "Romance" languages are
  based on Latin, but that doesn't mean that all the people of France, Italy,
  Spain, etc. are descended from Romans who displaced or eliminated their
  predecessors. The minority conquerors just installed their language, system
  of laws, customs, etc., and the majority locals had to get used to it.

  Why do most people in Ireland speak English? Same thing -- a minority
  conqueror imposed their language. But are most Irish genetically English? I
  wouldn't suggest that in Dublin...

From 1971mgb at cox.net  Mon Jan 12 04:42:03 2009
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (Bernd)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 6:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] help with MG B original price
In-Reply-To: <E3FAE2954D244D038DB31FE6B4F1699E@Three>
Message-ID: <20090112064203.IA1W1.386253.imail@eastrmwml34>

Paul, that would the prices for the "B" in the states, sorry, I don't have Porters book yet.

71B


---- Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: 
> UK or elsewhere?  UK roadster prices can be derived from the chart in Lyndsay Porter's 'Guide to Purchase and DIY Restoration of the MGB', republished as 'The MGB Restoration Manual'.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
>   can anyone direct me to a site where I could find the original factory list prices for the various years our MGB's were  build..

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 12 06:39:42 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:39:42 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] help with MGB original price
References: <20090111143320.6STVW.379201.imail@eastrmwml33>
	<E3FAE2954D244D038DB31FE6B4F1699E@Three>
Message-ID: <001001c974bb$3a6231f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/mgb03.jpg

window sticker from my 73

btw the dealership address is now a parking lot . . .

From atweditor at aol.com  Mon Jan 12 07:17:25 2009
From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] help with MGB original price
In-Reply-To: <001001c974bb$3a6231f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
References: <20090111143320.6STVW.379201.imail@eastrmwml33><E3FAE2954D244D038DB31FE6B4F1699E@Three>
	<001001c974bb$3a6231f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <8CB42D7A068DEEB-93C-1DF1@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>

 This probably isn't what you were looking for, but I clearly remember? paying $3800 for a new 1968 MGB-GT w/OD, wire wheels and Blaupunkt AM/FM/SW in August of '68 from Manhattan Motors, Washington, D.C., which was not a negotiated deal. White, with red interior. A sweet ride.


 
Jay Donoghue


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: MG list <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [Mgs] help with MGB original price










http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/mgb03.jpg

window sticker from my 73

btw the dealership address is now a parking lot . . .
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From barrie at look.ca  Mon Jan 12 08:13:18 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:13:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10901111418q52ce03b9udade22df9cca9c57@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <C58F9519.1D5DA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<a3b984e10901111418q52ce03b9udade22df9cca9c57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1LMOpr-0000AI-3a@delta.look.ca>

Richard,

For the amount of money involved replace everything and do as much as 
you can while you have it stripped down



At 05:18 PM 1/11/2009, Richard Ewald wrote:
>Can you install just new tappets?
>Sure.
>The question is should you install just new tappets?  IMHO no.  Tappets are
>supposed to spin while the engine runs.  It appears to me that your tappets
>haven't been spinning, causing the concave wear pattern.
>If it were my engine (and I have BTDT) I would install a new cam and new
>lifters.
>$.02
>Rick
>
>On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
> > prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
> > nasty looking. See photos here:
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157612402265283/
> >
> > In brief, they were pitted, the edges were chipped, and none of them showed
> > the faintest trace of convexity -- in fact, they would be better described
> > as concave. Numbers 4 and 8 even had clear wear patterns showing that they
> > had not been rotating at any time recently.
> >
> > Curiously, the cam lobes themselves appeared perfectly smooth, with no
> > grooves, and the plating did not appear worn through.
> >
> > So I'm wondering if I can just install a new set of tappets and break them
> > in. Comments?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Max Heim
> > '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> > If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> > it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 09:32:32 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:32:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Time for new Tires, Any recomendations?
In-Reply-To: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
References: <003001c9740b$ac5ae4b0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <3b8c3a8c0901120832ufe9aa42k1c55a75a67c44bbf@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I bought my 71 MGB GT 2 years ago and it came with TOYO Spectrum
tires, size 185-70-14.
I am very pleased with the performance of these tires.

When I will replace the TOYO's I will probably look for a Dunlop tire
in the correct size, just because!
I run Dunlop tires on my TR6 and am also very pleased with their performance.
I notice that Dunlop has a few models in the 185-70-14.

Henri
71 MGB GT
75 Triumph TR6

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Bob Donahue <bobmgtd at comcast.net> wrote:
> I discovered that the tires on my MGB are 12 years old. According to the "MGB
> Driver" magazine, they are no longer safe at this age. The old tires are
> 175-65-14 which set the car one inch lower than normal. This was a big
> mistake. My muffler has many scars from speed bumps and driveway curbs.
>
> Anyway, my mechanic recomends 185-70-14s. Can anyone recomend a good tire
> model? Most of my driving is fair weather touring, no racing.
>
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>               Hoosier MGB Club
>               Olde Octagons of Indiana
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From mgbob at juno.com  Mon Jan 12 10:00:43 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:00:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 78 MGB Brake fluid change
Message-ID: <20090112.121739.2780.4.MGBOB@juno.com>

   Some flush with alcohol before filling with new fluid, and some run a
lot of extra new fluid through the system to rinse out the old fluid. 
   First time I made the change, I did not rinse with alcohol, but were I
to do it again, I would.
Bob
 
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:38:51 -0600 "Steve Gorr" <sgorr2 at comcast.net>
writes:
> I will be replacing the brake hoses with braided steel/Teflon units 
> sometime
> this winter and Santa left a large bottle of silicon fluid. So I was 
> wondering
> if I should flush the lines with something before introducing the 
> silicon
> stuff. The existing brake fluid hasn't been flushed under my 
> ownership other
> than bleeding and topping off after rear wheel cylinders were 
> changed 2 years
> ago.
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From difejo at frontiernet.net  Mon Jan 12 15:59:15 2009
From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:59:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2214B63536804CB2B9AE59CD31331D50@GATEWAY>

Here is a link to a site with 1972 British Leyland Pricing





http://www.teglerizer.com/new_car_prices_in_1972.htm


John

1973 MGB

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Jan 12 18:12:06 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:12:06 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] help with MGB original price
In-Reply-To: <8CB42D7A068DEEB-93C-1DF1@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20090111143320.6STVW.379201.imail@eastrmwml33><E3FAE2954D244D038DB31FE6B4F1699E@Three>
	<001001c974bb$3a6231f0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local>
	<8CB42D7A068DEEB-93C-1DF1@WEBMAIL-MA11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <496BEA66.80106@ktc.com>

   Isn't it a hoot that a really good restored MGB is now worth more 
than it sold for originally?  Er, adjusted for inflation and in the 
right market?  I'm driving my $$ out of mine.

   CR



atweditor at aol.com wrote:
> This probably isn't what you were looking for, but I clearly
> remember? paying $3800 for a new 1968 MGB-GT w/OD, wire wheels and
> Blaupunkt AM/FM/SW in August of '68 from Manhattan Motors,
> Washington, D.C., which was not a negotiated deal. White, with red
> interior. A sweet ride.
> 
> 
> 
> Jay Donoghue

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Mon Jan 12 18:14:25 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:14:25 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Ugly tappets
In-Reply-To: <C58FCBBD.1D654%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C58FCBBD.1D654%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <496BEAF1.3040805@ktc.com>

  Doesn't matter.  The wear is there.  Question is how to achieve a 
successful repair.

   CR

Max Heim wrote:
> OK, what about the proposition that this is wear caused by lack of zinc
> additives in Castrol 20W50? Comments?

From rmort at bezeqint.net  Mon Jan 12 22:32:35 2009
From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:32:35 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
References: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<2214B63536804CB2B9AE59CD31331D50@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <002501c97540$6a7614d0$363519ac@BIGMORT>

can't help noticing that at least as early as 72 car/part makers were
already using the word 'turbo' to mean 'sporty' rather than anything to do
with turbochaging (always bugs me, for some reason) - the jag has as an
option 'chrome turbo disc wheels'.

Mort
70 roadster
Israel
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__________________________________________
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John DiFede" <difejo at frontiernet.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:59 AM
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972


> Here is a link to a site with 1972 British Leyland Pricing
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.teglerizer.com/new_car_prices_in_1972.htm
>
>
> John
>
> 1973 MGB
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 13 02:21:58 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:21:58 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
References: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net><2214B63536804CB2B9AE59CD31331D50@GATEWAY>
	<002501c97540$6a7614d0$363519ac@BIGMORT>
Message-ID: <66BD0A396E5A4B388D624D4DDA739314@Three>

'Turbo' or turbines were in use long before turbos started to be fitted to car
engines, they were being used to power water mills in the 19th century :o)
Your Jag wheels where probably so-called because of the physical appearance
and superficial similarity to turbine blades.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  can't help noticing that at least as early as 72 car/part makers were
  already using the word 'turbo' to mean 'sporty' rather than anything to do
  with turbochaging (always bugs me, for some reason) - the jag has as an
  option 'chrome turbo disc wheels'.

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 03:40:20 2009
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:40:20 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] mgb tappets, cam
Message-ID: <011320091040.8071.496C6F93000F31A000001F8722155754749F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>

 I would check to see if a local machine shop can okay your cam. maybe just a 
polish will clean it up.
or, you can get a reground from the nice people at NorthwestImportparts. 
<http://www.northwestimportparts.com/MGB-Reground-stock-cam-62-64-d554.aspx>
 Or, the performance one 
<http://www.northwestimportparts.com/MGB-Reground-performance-cam-62-64-d555.asp
x>

Of course, check the cam bearings, and timing chain and gears... blah blah 
blah... 
   It never ends... :-)
Eric
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
> > prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
> > nasty looking. See photos here:
> >
--

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 13 11:37:58 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:37:58 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
In-Reply-To: <002501c97540$6a7614d0$363519ac@BIGMORT>
Message-ID: <C5921F86.1D70E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Not to mention "turbo" razors, "turbo" radios, and PCs with a "Turbo" button
on the front of the case (anyone remember these?).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

on 1/12/09 9:32 PM, R. Martin Rogovein at rmort at bezeqint.net wrote:

> can't help noticing that at least as early as 72 car/part makers were
> already using the word 'turbo' to mean 'sporty' rather than anything to do
> with turbochaging (always bugs me, for some reason) - the jag has as an
> option 'chrome turbo disc wheels'.
> 
> Mort
> 70 roadster
> Israel

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 13 11:44:55 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:44:55 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] mgb tappets, cam
In-Reply-To: <011320091040.8071.496C6F93000F31A000001F8722155754749F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C5922127.1D711%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, if I were going to go to the trouble of pulling the cam I would
certainly replace it if at all indicated -- what I am resisting is removing
it in the first place.

I am determined not to get involved in "shipwright's disease", by doing the
absolute minimum repair required. On this car, "might as well while I'm at
it" would logically devolve into a complete rotisserie restoration. If my
shortcut turns around and bites me later, so be it.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/13/09 2:40 AM, cyberemp at comcast.net at cyberemp at comcast.net wrote:

>  I would check to see if a local machine shop can okay your cam. maybe just a
> polish will clean it up.
> or, you can get a reground from the nice people at NorthwestImportparts.
> <http://www.northwestimportparts.com/MGB-Reground-stock-cam-62-64-d554.aspx>
>  Or, the performance one
> <http://www.northwestimportparts.com/MGB-Reground-performance-cam-62-64-d555.a
> sp
> x>
> 
> Of course, check the cam bearings, and timing chain and gears... blah blah
> blah... 
>    It never ends... :-)
> Eric
> Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Before I started reassembling the head on my MGB, I thought it would be
>>> prudent to take a gander at the tappets. It turned out they were pretty
>>> nasty looking. See photos here:
>>> 
> --

From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 06:41:52 2009
From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:41:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Slave Cyl Hose Connection
Message-ID: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fellow Listers;

While recently installing a new clutch slave cylinder on my '74 MGB-GT I noticed something.  The new clutch slave (purchased from Moss...its a Lockheed unit) had the hose and bleeder positions reversed.  On the old (leaky) unit, the hose attached to the connection that faces the front of the car, and the bleeder faced the right side of the car (passenger's).

On the new unit, it's reversed.

So I'm confused...could anyone confirm where the hose is supposed to be attached (front fitting or right side fitting)?

Thanks for all the assistance...hope everyone is keeping warm (its below zero here with wind chills).

Matt Milkevitch
'74 B-GT
Willow Grove, PA

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 14 06:45:15 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:45:15 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Slave Cyl Hose Connection
In-Reply-To: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9f2527520901140545l518b042fu339c26e600b724fb@mail.gmail.com>

What was on the car was right.  I found the same thing when I did the job -
the new cylinder had the bleeder in the wrong hole.  Just move the bleeder
to the other hole!

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

2009/1/14 Matthew Milkevitch <mmilkevitch at yahoo.com>

> Fellow Listers;
>
> While recently installing a new clutch slave cylinder on my '74 MGB-GT I
> noticed something.  The new clutch slave (purchased from Moss...its a
> Lockheed unit) had the hose and bleeder positions reversed.  On the old
> (leaky) unit, the hose attached to the connection that faces the front of
> the car, and the bleeder faced the right side of the car (passenger's).
>
> On the new unit, it's reversed.
>
> So I'm confused...could anyone confirm where the hose is supposed to be
> attached (front fitting or right side fitting)?
>
> Thanks for all the assistance...hope everyone is keeping warm (its below
> zero here with wind chills).
>
> Matt Milkevitch
> '74 B-GT
> Willow Grove, PA
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 14 07:02:24 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:02:24 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Slave Cyl Hose Connection
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A618EBBF43D34ED2B82DFC9EAD1500E5@Three>

They always seem to be.  Whether it is because that slave was originally for
another application that needed them that way round, or they save a groat on
the packaging, I don't know.

Whatever, when installed the bleed nipple should be in the higher of the two
possible positions, which is hose facing the front and nipple facing the
side.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  ... So I'm confused...could anyone confirm where the hose is supposed to be
attached (front fitting or right side fitting)?

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 07:43:50 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:43:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Slave Cyl Hose Connection
In-Reply-To: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DE518219-7139-465A-93C4-DDABA28899C6@gmail.com>

This is a known issue.
The bleed nipple is put in the wrong hole because it fits in the  
package better that way. Move it to the other hole.

On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Matthew Milkevitch wrote:

> Fellow Listers;
>
> While recently installing a new clutch slave cylinder on my '74 MGB- 
> GT I noticed something.  The new clutch slave (purchased from  
> Moss...its a Lockheed unit) had the hose and bleeder positions  
> reversed.  On the old (leaky) unit, the hose attached to the  
> connection that faces the front of the car, and the bleeder faced  
> the right side of the car (passenger's).
>
> On the new unit, it's reversed.
>
> So I'm confused...could anyone confirm where the hose is supposed to  
> be attached (front fitting or right side fitting)?
>
> Thanks for all the assistance...hope everyone is keeping warm (its  
> below zero here with wind chills).
>
> Matt Milkevitch
> '74 B-GT
> Willow Grove, PA

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Jan 14 10:43:48 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:43:48 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Ford identification
Message-ID: <E1LN9oA-0003S4-LI@zeta.look.ca>

Can anyone help me find out about an old British 8hp Ford probably 
1929-35 vintage?  I would like to know what model it was and what year.
I have the numbers Engine Y33104  Chassis 35/20294
I was taught to drive on this car when I was 11 years old.  My Dad 
had to put blocks on the pedals.

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From shop at justbrits.com  Wed Jan 14 11:29:19 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:29:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Ford identification
In-Reply-To: <E1LN9oA-0003S4-LI@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEOKCEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Try Google or Ask or ....

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan 14 12:00:50 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:00:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <496E3662.4030308@ktc.com>

Just got my copy of Moss's British Motoring mag.  Was looking at the 
Oil/ZDDP article.  Nice little box on what type of oils to use on 
initial break in, first thousand miles, thereafter.  Whups!  Initial 
break in is described as first 30 minutes or so of operation after a 
rebuild.  Wellll, OK but then is sez to change the oil and filter right 
after that run in period.  Huh?  Never seen that before.  Sounds like 
overkill to me.

   Thoughts?

   CR

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 14 12:46:52 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>

CR, that's always been my understanding.

20 to 30 minute break-in on the cam followed by a change and then another 
change at 500 miles.

Better safe than sorry.

Larry Daniels



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles & Peggy Robinson" <ccrobins at ktc.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article


Just got my copy of Moss's British Motoring mag.  Was looking at the
Oil/ZDDP article.  Nice little box on what type of oils to use on
initial break in, first thousand miles, thereafter.  Whups!  Initial
break in is described as first 30 minutes or so of operation after a
rebuild.  Wellll, OK but then is sez to change the oil and filter right
after that run in period.  Huh?  Never seen that before.  Sounds like
overkill to me.

   Thoughts?

   CR
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan 14 13:42:44 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:42:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An Afternoon's Job
Message-ID: <496E4E44.4030708@ktc.com>

So I'm looking at the article about the Moss Supercharger kit for our 
LBCs.  Paraphrasing: "Comprehensive kit, everything needed is in there." 
  OK.  "Detailed instruction manual, everything you need to know." 
Hmmm, well, OK.  Quoting: "All that's needed to finish the job is an 
afternoon in the garage...."  Huh?  Isn't that nice?  A fairy tale to go 
with your blower kit. (G) How many times have you started an afternoon 
job on, say, a Saturday and ended up bumming a ride to work on Monday?

   Well, it does say "..finish the job...", doesn't say DO the job.  Get 
it? (BG)

Gotta love it.

   CR

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 13:50:06 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:50:06 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] An Afternoon's Job
In-Reply-To: <496E4E44.4030708@ktc.com>
References: <496E4E44.4030708@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <88FDE683-A8AA-4352-800F-F4A7E0629000@gmail.com>

I'd believe it. There's not all that much to this. Unless you have  
some hopelessly rusted manifold studs.

My boss of a few years ago got a Miata, and decided he had to have a  
turbo or supercharger. Well, we settled on the supercharger,
and did that by himself in a day. Overall, I'd say he was pretty handy  
in general, he knows his way around a toolbox.

Paul.


On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:

> So I'm looking at the article about the Moss Supercharger kit for  
> our LBCs.  Paraphrasing: "Comprehensive kit, everything needed is in  
> there."  OK.  "Detailed instruction manual, everything you need to  
> know." Hmmm, well, OK.  Quoting: "All that's needed to finish the  
> job is an afternoon in the garage...."  Huh?  Isn't that nice?  A  
> fairy tale to go with your blower kit. (G) How many times have you  
> started an afternoon job on, say, a Saturday and ended up bumming a  
> ride to work on Monday?
>
>  Well, it does say "..finish the job...", doesn't say DO the job.   
> Get it? (BG)
>
> Gotta love it.
>
>  CR
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Jan 14 14:18:21 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
References: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<2214B63536804CB2B9AE59CD31331D50@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <5190D7F27C3F4EDB90C1EDF5186C322F@uw471de61b465c>

Nice to see what the options costed at these days.

Now I understand why the MGB GT sold so poorly in these days.
The Triumph TR6 only was some $ 100,00 more expansive than the BGT!

Although I like my GT very much, the TR6 is another vehicle class.

Cheers,

Hans

'71 BGT 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John DiFede" <difejo at frontiernet.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:59 PM
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972


> Here is a link to a site with 1972 British Leyland Pricing
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.teglerizer.com/new_car_prices_in_1972.htm
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 1973 MGB
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From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Jan 14 14:25:57 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
Message-ID: <20090114.163501.1736.11.MGBOB@juno.com>

Charlie,
   I change oil after first 30 minutes.  A magnet in the sump will
demonstrate why.  Scrubbing & scrubbing again inside the engine just does
not get out all the tiny bits of swarf.  They might not get pumped around
past the filter, but for the cost of the magnet and the oil & filter is
slight. 
Bob


 
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:00:50 -0600 Charles & Peggy Robinson
<ccrobins at ktc.com> writes:
> Just got my copy of Moss's British Motoring mag.  Was looking at the 
> 
> Oil/ZDDP article.  Nice little box on what type of oils to use on 
> initial break in, first thousand miles, thereafter.  Whups!  Initial 
> 
> break in is described as first 30 minutes or so of operation after a 
> 
> rebuild.  Wellll, OK but then is sez to change the oil and filter 
> right 
> after that run in period.  Huh?  Never seen that before.  Sounds 
> like 
> overkill to me.
> 
>    Thoughts?
> 
>    CR
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From dannyvarnado at cox.net  Wed Jan 14 16:45:57 2009
From: dannyvarnado at cox.net (dannyvarnado)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:45:57 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <19F4170CCA4B427D8A7E3CB27F3D32D3@dannytyferm096>

I've rebuilt several engines in my time and have always changed the oil and 
filter after the initial break-in, 500 miles and 1000 miles as per the 
advice of an old engine rebuilder.  If this technique has done any good or 
not I can not say but...
The oil has always been clean there after, never black and sludgy between 
normal (3500 mile) oil changes.  And,  I have never had any oil related wear 
problems after putting many thousands of miles on the engines.
Danny V.
'58 MGA
'76 MGB V-6
'33 Ford streetrod


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles & Peggy Robinson" <ccrobins at ktc.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:00 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article


> Just got my copy of Moss's British Motoring mag.  Was looking at the 
> Oil/ZDDP article.  Nice little box on what type of oils to use on initial 
> break in, first thousand miles, thereafter.  Whups!  Initial break in is 
> described as first 30 minutes or so of operation after a rebuild.  Wellll, 
> OK but then is sez to change the oil and filter right after that run in 
> period.  Huh?  Never seen that before.  Sounds like overkill to me.
>
>   Thoughts?
>
>   CR
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan 14 18:22:20 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:22:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
Message-ID: <496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>

   I've lost track of the number of engines I've rebuilt and put back on 
the road with never a premature failure of any component therein.  I've 
never changed the oil and filter after a 30 minute break in.  I've never 
changed the oil & filter after the first 500 miles either.  I've always 
done it after the first 1,000 miles.  Good gravy, in the old days you'd 
take a new car back to change out the "break-in" oil at 1,000 miles.  I 
figure the guys at Moss must have invested in oil company stock. (BG)

   CR



Larry Daniels wrote:
> CR, that's always been my understanding.
> 
> 20 to 30 minute break-in on the cam followed by a change and then another 
> change at 500 miles.
> 
> Better safe than sorry.
> 
> Larry Daniels

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Wed Jan 14 18:34:04 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:34:04 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>

Last year I bought a new Benz.  First service and oil change is  
18,000km.

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Aus

On 15/01/2009, at 11:22 AM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:

>  I've lost track of the number of engines I've rebuilt and put back  
> on the road with never a premature failure of any component  
> therein.  I've never changed the oil and filter after a 30 minute  
> break in.  I've never changed the oil & filter after the first 500  
> miles either.  I've always done it after the first 1,000 miles.   
> Good gravy, in the old days you'd take a new car back to change out  
> the "break-in" oil at 1,000 miles.  I figure the guys at Moss must  
> have invested in oil company stock. (BG)
>
>  CR
>
>
>
> Larry Daniels wrote:
>> CR, that's always been my understanding.
>> 20 to 30 minute break-in on the cam followed by a change and then  
>> another change at 500 miles.
>> Better safe than sorry.
>> Larry Daniels
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 19:22:35 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:22:35 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
Message-ID: <mailman.9035.1231986175.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>

So did I. It's FSS asked for an oil change, its first, at 10,000 miles.  Works out the same. 

Rick
'08 C300

------Original Message------
From: Murray Arundell
Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net
To: Charles & Peggy Robinson
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Article

Last year I bought a new Benz.  First service and oil change is  
18,000km.

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Aus

On 15/01/2009, at 11:22 AM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:

>  I've lost track of the number of engines I've rebuilt and put back  
> on the road with never a premature failure of any component  
> therein.  I've never changed the oil and filter after a 30 minute  
> break in.  I've never changed the oil & filter after the first 500  
> miles either.  I've always done it after the first 1,000 miles.   
> Good gravy, in the old days you'd take a new car back to change out  
> the "break-in" oil at 1,000 miles.  I figure the guys at Moss must  
> have invested in oil company stock. (BG)
>
>  CR
>
>
>
> Larry Daniels wrote:
>> CR, that's always been my understanding.
>> 20 to 30 minute break-in on the cam followed by a change and then  
>> another change at 500 miles.
>> Better safe than sorry.
>> Larry Daniels
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Wed Jan 14 19:51:35 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <496EA4B7.4010202@ktc.com>

The '07 Ford V6 pickup I have had its first oil/filter change at 3,000 
miles.

   CR

Murray Arundell wrote:
> Last year I bought a new Benz.  First service and oil change is 18,000km.
> 
> Murray Arundell
> Brisbane Aus
> 
> On 15/01/2009, at 11:22 AM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
> 
>>  I've lost track of the number of engines I've rebuilt and put back on 
>> the road with never a premature failure of any component therein.  
>> I've never changed the oil and filter after a 30 minute break in.  
>> I've never changed the oil & filter after the first 500 miles either.  
>> I've always done it after the first 1,000 miles.  Good gravy, in the 
>> old days you'd take a new car back to change out the "break-in" oil at 
>> 1,000 miles.  I figure the guys at Moss must have invested in oil 
>> company stock. (BG)
>>
>>  CR
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Daniels wrote:
>>> CR, that's always been my understanding.
>>> 20 to 30 minute break-in on the cam followed by a change and then 
>>> another change at 500 miles.
>>> Better safe than sorry.
>>> Larry Daniels
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From awhitema at panix.com  Wed Jan 14 20:10:43 2009
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:10:43 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <496EA4B7.4010202@ktc.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
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	<496EA4B7.4010202@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <1C901306-0985-4DD9-BE38-A9945926ECD5@panix.com>

On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:

> The '07 Ford V6 pickup I have had its first oil/filter change at  
> 3,000 miles.

And my new Subaru was at 7500 miles.

But new cars are not MGs, and oil formulations change.

The engine I pulled out of dad's old car is in fine shape, nary a  
problem with it.  IIRC, we changed the oil once at 1000 miles, again  
at 3000, and then every 3000 beyond that.  We didn't have to deal with  
SM rated oil then.

When I rebuild mine, I'll do exactly as the article says, because it's  
only a bit of money and time.  There is no harm in changing the oil  
too soon and nebulous, but potentially great harm in waiting too long.

What's $30 compared to the cost of a cam?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Wed Jan 14 21:23:40 2009
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:23:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <1C901306-0985-4DD9-BE38-A9945926ECD5@panix.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
	<496EA4B7.4010202@ktc.com>
	<1C901306-0985-4DD9-BE38-A9945926ECD5@panix.com>
Message-ID: <a06230900c59469f94ab9@[72.225.44.163]>

I have done a dozen full rebuilds of british engines. changed the oil/filter
after the first 1000 miles. Have never had a failure.  Interesting article
though, it will not change my time proven procedure.
paul
-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Building  RC
Rochester New York 14627
585-275-5226

From xyzabcde at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 21:51:44 2009
From: xyzabcde at earthlink.net (Denise Thorpe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:51:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
References: <mailman.9037.1231986175.3542.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c976cc$fc4e0fb0$c0ea9904@S0028025559>

Hi Hans,

IMHO, the MGB is a much better car than the TR6.  With its separate frame, 
the TR6 has much more flex and rattle and the performance is not that much 
better.  And there are some very iffy (American for 'dodgy') design 
decisions.  Triumph changed models more frequently than MG did and they 
didn't seem to take as much care with the design as MG did.  In my car club 
experience, just like their cars, people who own MGs seem more substantial 
than the boy racers who go for Triumphs.  When the San Diego MG Club would 
have joint events with the Triumph club, the Triumph people would drink like 
fish and then intentionally stick the MG people with the bill.  Maybe it was 
that extra $100. ;-)

Denise Thorpe, always controversial


> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:18:21 +0100
> From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
> To: "John DiFede" <difejo at frontiernet.net>, <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Message-ID: <5190D7F27C3F4EDB90C1EDF5186C322F at uw471de61b465c>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Nice to see what the options costed at these days.
>
> Now I understand why the MGB GT sold so poorly in these days.
> The Triumph TR6 only was some $ 100,00 more expansive than the BGT!
>
> Although I like my GT very much, the TR6 is another vehicle class.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> '71 BGT 

From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Jan 15 01:36:43 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:06:43 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <496EF59B.2030901@erickson.on.net>

Murray Arundell wrote:
> Last year I bought a new Benz.  First service and oil change is 18,000km.
> 

I thought this schedule was kewl (in an off-putting sort of way)...

-Add a break-in additive to oil
-Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with old (i.e. worn 
out) outer valve springs only
-Change the oil and filter, and re-add break in additive
-Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with NEW outer 
valve springs only
-Change the oil and filter, and re-add break in additive
-Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with full set of 
new valve springs
-Change the oil and filter and drive it like you stole it

I usually have the rebuilt engine in my car on Saturday.  "Run it in" by 
driving it to the track (45 minutes) Sunday morning and then thrash it 
around the racetrack in competition with my mechanic wringing his hands 
and saying "you really should try to keep it at or under 5000 revs for 
today" - each time I come off the track!

Never had a problem :-)



Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 02:00:11 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:00:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Ford identification
References: <E1LN9oA-0003S4-LI@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <724F1663068448CF8F8301C53F916DDB@Three>

This any good? http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/-1460386257/

Found by Googling 'ford 8hp'!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Can anyone help me find out about an old British 8hp Ford probably
  1929-35 vintage?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 01:56:02 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:56:02 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
References: <mailman.3.1231786802.32046.mgs@autox.team.net><2214B63536804CB2B9AE59CD31331D50@GATEWAY>
	<5190D7F27C3F4EDB90C1EDF5186C322F@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <2F839A64733D4D0FB1BAD7E1976F9945@Three>

As far as price goes you should be comparing the TR6 with the roadster as both
are convertibles.  1972 saw the biggest ever annual sales of the MGB at 39,000
units, I don't know how many TR6s were sold.  Of these 2/3rds were roadsters
and 1/3rd GTs.  Hardly poor sales, and not bad at all considering they were
are different animals as far as the driving experience goes.   After the first
four years of production 1972 also saw one of the lowest historical costs
taking inflation into account of 105%, 1977 was fractionally lower at 104%.
Two years later in each case it was 130% in 1974 and 143% in 1979.

I think the TR6 is a lovely car, and if I were buying more cars I'd have one
before I had an MGA.  But after a K3 and a TF 1500.  But that is just my
personal opinion.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  Now I understand why the MGB GT sold so poorly in these days.
  The Triumph TR6 only was some $ 100,00 more expansive than the BGT!

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 02:29:59 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:29:59 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <37D0831FB0EA42379CE21E699AA2DF11@Three>

<groan>
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  Was looking at the Oil/ZDDP article...

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Jan 15 05:13:37 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <496EF59B.2030901@erickson.on.net>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
	<496EF59B.2030901@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <496F2871.8070100@ktc.com>

  Hi Eric,

   I've seen this before on racing cam installation sheets.  A more 
convoluted procedure than the instructions for installing hop-up cams in 
street engines when I ran a hot rod shop but the same Idea for ensuring 
cam longevity. I wonder what the sheets look like that come with roller 
cams.

    In the case of your rebuild was the procedure followed to the 
letter?  Changing those valve springs round is a real PITA.

   CR


Eric Erickson wrote:
> Murray Arundell wrote:
>> Last year I bought a new Benz.  First service and oil change is 18,000km.
>>
> 
> I thought this schedule was kewl (in an off-putting sort of way)...
> 
> -Add a break-in additive to oil
> -Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with old (i.e. worn 
> out) outer valve springs only
> -Change the oil and filter, and re-add break in additive
> -Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with NEW outer 
> valve springs only
> -Change the oil and filter, and re-add break in additive
> -Start engine and run at 2,500 rpm for 20-30 minutes with full set of 
> new valve springs
> -Change the oil and filter and drive it like you stole it
> 
>SNIP
>> 
> Eric
> Adelaide, South Australia

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Jan 15 05:25:56 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:25:56 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <1C901306-0985-4DD9-BE38-A9945926ECD5@panix.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
	<496EA4B7.4010202@ktc.com>
	<1C901306-0985-4DD9-BE38-A9945926ECD5@panix.com>
Message-ID: <496F2B54.30007@ktc.com>

   Nebulous is the operative word.  If the ZDDP additive is a good idea 
(no argument from me) why not leave it in there?  I've not seen any 
arguments for there being too much ZDDP.  I knew a guy who used a 
magnetic drain plug and changed the filter after the original run-in. 
His idea was to remove the metal deposits created by the original 
scuffing-in of sliding parts.

   Anyhoo, it's not the cost of the filter and oil; it's the necessity 
of the two (extra) oil/filter changes I'm skeptical about.

   CR


Aaron Whiteman wrote:

> When I rebuild mine, I'll do exactly as the article says, because it's  
> only a bit of money and time.  There is no harm in changing the oil  
> too soon and nebulous, but potentially great harm in waiting too long.
> 
> What's $30 compared to the cost of a cam?
> 
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Jan 15 05:45:50 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:15:50 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <496F2871.8070100@ktc.com>
References: <963863.19540.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<496E3662.4030308@ktc.com> <C7E04C5ACA064A37B62EB8784B0AE53B@Larry>
	<496E8FCC.2050006@ktc.com>
	<41F8A8C6-6849-4692-A014-1646B87A0532@ghs.com.au>
	<496EF59B.2030901@erickson.on.net> <496F2871.8070100@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <496F2FFE.5030008@erickson.on.net>

Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
>  Hi Eric,
> 
>   I've seen this before on racing cam installation sheets.  A more 
> convoluted procedure than the instructions for installing hop-up cams in 
> street engines when I ran a hot rod shop but the same Idea for ensuring 
> cam longevity. I wonder what the sheets look like that come with roller 
> cams.
> 
>    In the case of your rebuild was the procedure followed to the 
> letter?  Changing those valve springs round is a real PITA.
> 

Hey - I am a simple man.

Drop engine in car at the last minute (always the day before I really 
need it).

Drive 45 minutes to the racetrack (gentle run in).

Thrash the car around the racetrack in competition while my mechanic hid 
his eyes and blocked his ears and wondered what I didn't understand 
about his instruction to try not to take it over 5000 revs this time!

Red mist and a passing car (or one just up ahead) seems to obscurte the 
tacho when you are out on the racetrack!

Never had an issue with that method of running in a new engine and its 
components!

:-)



Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 06:36:54 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:36:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <496F2FFE.5030008@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I guess a good question to ask Eric is; How often do you rebuild the engine?

Some might argue that an engine needs to only last until the end of the victory lap.  We must be careful to not mix purposes, apples and oranges.


And more importantly (and this will get me in trouble), we're comparing new precision machines to MGs and Triumphs.  That's like comparing Intel quad-cores to VIC20s.  Our old MG and Triumph engines, while we love them for their simplicity, are little more than farm implement power supplies.  Their manufacturing tolerances are loose and compensated for with heavy robustness and wearing-in.  This whole thread started with a set of galled lifter faces.  That all but NEVER happens with modern engines.  And its not differences in oil.  Its differences in materials and design.  We have to face it.  No matter how much we love our old British hardware, its just old-school machinery.  That's what I love about it!

rick






--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:

> From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Article
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 6:45 AM
> Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:
> >  Hi Eric,
> > 
> >   I've seen this before on racing cam installation
> sheets.  A more 
> > convoluted procedure than the instructions for
> installing hop-up cams in 
> > street engines when I ran a hot rod shop but the same
> Idea for ensuring 
> > cam longevity. I wonder what the sheets look like that
> come with roller 
> > cams.
> > 
> >    In the case of your rebuild was the procedure
> followed to the 
> > letter?  Changing those valve springs round is a real
> PITA.
> > 
> 
> Hey - I am a simple man.
> 
> Drop engine in car at the last minute (always the day
> before I really 
> need it).
> 
> Drive 45 minutes to the racetrack (gentle run in).
> 
> Thrash the car around the racetrack in competition while my
> mechanic hid 
> his eyes and blocked his ears and wondered what I
> didn't understand 
> about his instruction to try not to take it over 5000 revs
> this time!
> 
> Red mist and a passing car (or one just up ahead) seems to
> obscurte the 
> tacho when you are out on the racetrack!
> 
> Never had an issue with that method of running in a new
> engine and its 
> components!
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Eric
> Adelaide, South Australia
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Jan 15 07:15:59 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:45:59 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <496F451F.1010702@erickson.on.net>

Rick Lindsay wrote:
> I guess a good question to ask Eric is; How often do you rebuild the engine?

Seriously - about every three or so years.

> 
> Some might argue that an engine needs to only last until the end of the victory lap.  

Seriously - I did what I suggested ONCE (it was important I hit that 
track that day winning wasn't absolutely necessary but always desirable).

My new engines (rebuilds) are generally run in on the dyno because if 
they don't hit the dyno first it generally isn't worth hitting the 
track.  But it was fun watching my mechanic squirm - and that engine 
lasted well for almost four years after that until strangely enough I 
scorched a valve very badly and then found some nasty broken pistons 
when I pulled it apart.

I was just trying to lighten the mood - but I really don't go through 
anywhere near the strict regimen that I posted earlier and my engines 
survive some beating afterwards.

 > > while we love them for their simplicity, are little more than farm 
implement power supplies.  Their manufacturing tolerances are loose and 
compensated for with heavy robustness and wearing-in.
> 

It was true how that engine finally died - and indeed it didn't "blow 
up" on me... I drove it home from the track and as far as I am aware it 
has been rebuilt and it lives on as the heart of a much loved (and 
gently run) street machine.  I could not kill one of these lumps of iron 
and I tried.

But you are still going to get into trouble for saying that!

My new engine (coming real soon) though will be a far different story. 
Taking out to silly tolerances I reckon even I will be able to destroy 
this one!

Now, where is my tractor...?

PS Rick, just a month or so until the Melbourne F1 GP - run in the 
evening this time!


Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From LAF48 at aol.com  Thu Jan 15 07:37:44 2009
From: LAF48 at aol.com (LAF48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:37:44 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 20, Issue 19
Message-ID: <cbf.30d6da6f.36a0a438@aol.com>

No break in is needed for roller lifter camshafts / lifters. Roller lifters 
can be reused on another roller lifter camshaft.
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 09:21:32 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:21:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
References: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <580922.57219.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

________________________________
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>; Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:36:54 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article

I guess a good question to ask Eric is; How often do you rebuild the engine?

Some might argue that an engine needs to only last until the end of the victory lap.  We must be careful to not mix purposes, apples and oranges.


And more importantly (and this will get me in trouble), we're comparing new precision machines to MGs and Triumphs.  That's like comparing Intel quad-cores to VIC20s.  Our old MG and Triumph engines, while we love them for their simplicity, are little more than farm implement power supplies.  Their manufacturing tolerances are loose and compensated for with heavy robustness and wearing-in.  This whole thread started with a set of galled lifter faces.  That all but NEVER happens with modern engines.  And its not differences in oil.  Its differences in materials and design.  We have to face it.  No matter how much we love our old British hardware, its just old-school machinery.  That's what I love about it!
----------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing, in many ways, the new cars are more sensitive to certain things than our old cars. Oil is a good example. 
Audi's 1.8T engine - otherwise a very durable, tunable engine - is very sensitive to oil weights and changes. There are 
many well-documented sludge issues due to 1) Audi's very high change intervals (up to 2003) and 2) some slight neglect
by owners. Same with a Toyota V6 engine of a few years ago (can't recall which one, it was in early-2000's Sienna vans). 
Many are also very sensitive to octane ratings.

OTOH, when I bought my Audi, I was told by the dealer that the only thing that need breaking-in were the brakes! (Or, more
accurately, bedding in). I was told to drive the car like I planned to drive it (other than avoiding slamming on the brakes for a
certain number of miles). And our '07 Honda Odyssey minivan didn't ask me for it's first oil change until 5,400 miles, and the
second at 11,120 miles (it has a Maintenance Minder that tells you these things).

On an unrelated note (and similarly off-topic!) I have the pleasure of announcing a new driver in our household. My youngest
son passed his test on Monday. So now I am REALLY going to have to get my '76 B on the road again, just so I have
something to drive this spring! Oh, hey, that was MG content!

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 15 09:44:06 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:44:06 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
References: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<580922.57219.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9D1113E322A6413594FBEF598370E034@Three>

A young boy went up to his father and asked him, 'Dad, what is the difference
between potential and reality?'

The father thought for a moment, then answered, 'Go ask your mother if she
would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars.  Then ask your sister if she
would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars, and then, ask your brother
if he'd sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what
you learn from that.'

So the boy went to his mother and asked, 'Would you sleep with Brad Pitt for a
million dollars?'

The mother replied, 'Of course I would! We could really use that money to fix
up the house and send you kids to a great University!'

The boy then went to his sister and asked, 'Would you sleep with Brad Pitt for
a million dollars?'

The girl replied, 'Oh my God! I LOVE Brad Pitt! I would sleep with him in a
heartbeat, are you nuts?'

The boy then went to his brother and asked, 'Would you sleep with Brad Pitt
for a million dollars?'

'Of course,' the brother replied. 'Do you know how much a million bucks would
buy?'

The boy pondered the answers for a few days and then went back to his dad.

His father asked him, 'Did you find out the difference between potential and
reality?'

The boy replied, 'Yes. Potentially, you and I are sitting on three million
dollars.

But in reality we're living with two hookers and a homo.

  ----- Original Message -----
  Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 10:13:40 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:13:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <580922.57219.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <345312.72354.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> The funny thing, in many ways, the new cars are more sensitive to 
> certain things than our old cars. Oil is a good example. 

Very good point Dan.  Another way of saying this is, "The more advanced the technology, the more susceptible it is to primitive attack."  Quote Dr. Who in "The Pirate Planet".

rick

From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 10:37:35 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
In-Reply-To: <2F839A64733D4D0FB1BAD7E1976F9945@Three>
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I bought my first MGB in 1970, it was a 1966, 4 years old, full of
rust, tired engine, $600, I drove it for 9 months until it self
destructed, but I was hooked!
The second was a 1969 Datsun Fairl Lady 1600, and drove it for 1 year.
The third was a 1974 TR6 bought in 1977 and I drove it until 2000,
when I bought my current 1975 TR6.
I bought a 1971 MGB GT in 2006 and I love driving it as much as the
TR6 (a lot more than $600!).

The MGB GT is not quite as quick but is more sophisticated, practical
and easy to drive in the city.
On the other hand the TR6, despite its obvious weaknesses, is more of
a muscle car and great touring car on a sunny day; the sound of the
engine is a clear winner.

The two are very different, both have their weaknesses and virtues and
neither car, or their owners, deserve to be slandered by superficial
opinions.

I love both of mine and plan to keep driving them a long time yet.

Henri
1971 MGB GT
1975 TR6

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> As far as price goes you should be comparing the TR6 with the roadster as both
> are convertibles.  1972 saw the biggest ever annual sales of the MGB at 39,000
> units, I don't know how many TR6s were sold.  Of these 2/3rds were roadsters
> and 1/3rd GTs.  Hardly poor sales, and not bad at all considering they were
> are different animals as far as the driving experience goes.   After the first
> four years of production 1972 also saw one of the lowest historical costs
> taking inflation into account of 105%, 1977 was fractionally lower at 104%.
> Two years later in each case it was 130% in 1974 and 143% in 1979.
>
> I think the TR6 is a lovely car, and if I were buying more cars I'd have one
> before I had an MGA.  But after a K3 and a TF 1500.  But that is just my
> personal opinion.
>
> PaulH.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  Now I understand why the MGB GT sold so poorly in these days.
>  The Triumph TR6 only was some $ 100,00 more expansive than the BGT!
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From mike at sportscarslimited.net  Thu Jan 15 11:52:21 2009
From: mike at sportscarslimited.net (Michael Singleton)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:52:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
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Message-ID: <B32489E8C61E4F4C8EFCF27826787F6F@scloffice>

Be a little careful of comparing oil change recommendations for new cars and
rebuilt engines. Porsche, for instance, puts every engine through a full
break in procedure before ever installing the engine in a car. This includes
a break in cycle, followed by a full run up to maximum operating RPM's under
full load, all done on a dyno. It is really something to see a Turbo 911
engine at full revs pulling the dyno, with cherry red exhaust pipes! Other
manufacturers have different procedures to pre-break in engines, & if not,
have tested their assembly procedures to determine that the engines will
give sufficient service life to outlive the warrantee, and to avoid
excessive negative customer feedback.

Your local machinist and/or engine rebuilder probably has not done either
the break in procedure, or the research (at least from a scientific or
engineering perspective) to ensure the reliability of our rebuilds, nor can
we afford to. Most of us in the auto trade would rather take enough
precautions to ensure that our customers engines will survive with minimum
issues. The alternative is unhappy customers, and/or expensive warrantee
claims which would greatly shorten the time we would be in business.
Personally, if it costs my customer an extra oil & filter change to ensure
that he may have fewer engine problems at some time in the future, then it
is worth it to me, much cheaper for him and provides greater peace of mind
to both of us.

Michael Singleton
Sportscars Ltd
10170 Croydon Way
Suite M
Sacramento, CA 95826

Mike at sportscarslimited.net
(916)366-0330


> The '07 Ford V6 pickup I have had its first oil/filter change at 3,000 
> miles.

And my new Subaru was at 7500 miles.

But new cars are not MGs, and oil formulations change.

The engine I pulled out of dad's old car is in fine shape, nary a problem
with it.  IIRC, we changed the oil once at 1000 miles, again at 3000, and
then every 3000 beyond that.  We didn't have to deal with SM rated oil then.

When I rebuild mine, I'll do exactly as the article says, because it's only
a bit of money and time.  There is no harm in changing the oil too soon and
nebulous, but potentially great harm in waiting too long.

What's $30 compared to the cost of a cam?

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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 12:23:13 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:23:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
References: <345312.72354.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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________________________________
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>; Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:13:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article

> The funny thing, in many ways, the new cars are more sensitive to 
> certain things than our old cars. Oil is a good example. 

Very good point Dan.  Another way of saying this is, "The more advanced the technology, the more susceptible it is to primitive attack."  Quote Dr. Who in "The Pirate Planet".
----------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly!

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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Thu Jan 15 13:21:46 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:21:46 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
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I suppose you're right Denise.
How are you btw.

When a design (MGB in our case) lasts that long, it must be a solid and good 
design.
I still wonder why the GT was so expensive compared with the TR6 - remember 
the GT was discontinued in the USA market from 1974 on. Why?

Looking at these cars in Holland, the owners use these cars differently.
Sportscars are pretty rare overhere, because of the climate and because of 
how people look against cars.
When you have a sportscar, many people often think the owner is "showing 
off" to much.
The average Dutch mentality is more like behave like a "normal" person and 
nobody will think you are the showguy.

Personally I don't mind and do my thing, but pamper my classics.
This normally happens with most sportscars overhere.
I have the impression sportscars in the USA are more used like daily drivers 
and used more heavily.
Looking to the sate my BGT was in 1990 when I bought it as ex-Calif car, it 
was totally used and worn - neglected.

Got one MG and now the proud owner of 2 Puch mopeds (1970 & 1974).
Just this weekend I got the 2nd Puch restaured to pristine and got the 
engine starting after 18 months work.
I'll send you 2 pics seperately.

Cheers,

Hans

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denise Thorpe" <xyzabcde at earthlink.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972


> Hi Hans,
>
> IMHO, the MGB is a much better car than the TR6.  With its separate frame, 
> the TR6 has much more flex and rattle and the performance is not that much 
> better.  And there are some very iffy (American for 'dodgy') design 
> decisions.  Triumph changed models more frequently than MG did and they 
> didn't seem to take as much care with the design as MG did.  In my car 
> club experience, just like their cars, people who own MGs seem more 
> substantial than the boy racers who go for Triumphs.  When the San Diego 
> MG Club would have joint events with the Triumph club, the Triumph people 
> would drink like fish and then intentionally stick the MG people with the 
> bill.  Maybe it was that extra $100. ;-)
>
> Denise Thorpe, always controversial
>
>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:18:21 +0100
>> From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
>> To: "John DiFede" <difejo at frontiernet.net>, <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Message-ID: <5190D7F27C3F4EDB90C1EDF5186C322F at uw471de61b465c>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Nice to see what the options costed at these days.
>>
>> Now I understand why the MGB GT sold so poorly in these days.
>> The Triumph TR6 only was some $ 100,00 more expansive than the BGT!
>>
>> Although I like my GT very much, the TR6 is another vehicle class.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> '71 BGT 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 13:35:21 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:35:21 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MG Original Pricing 1972
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The extra weight of the GT put it in a different emissions category, and
they could not make it pass the emission standards.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>wrote:

> I suppose you're right Denise.
> How are you btw.
>
> When a design (MGB in our case) lasts that long, it must be a solid and
> good design.
> I still wonder why the GT was so expensive compared with the TR6 - remember
> the GT was discontinued in the USA market from 1974 on. Why?

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Thu Jan 15 14:33:29 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:33:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <580922.57219.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <956719.62339.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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  First off, congratulations on the new driver!  Er, and higher 
insurance premiums. (BG)

  Concerning sensitivity of new engines to (you name it), I gotta agree. 
  The engine in Peg's Prius is sensitive to over filling of the sump. 
It would appear that if there's too much oil in the pan it impeded the 
crank's rotation and it's manifested in lower gas mileage.

   Another thing on the Prius is that it runs worse on higher octane gas 
than regular unleaded.  Dunno why.

  I remember the sludge incidences.  AIR they did e re-design of the 
breather/EGR systems and shortened the change intervals.  Weren't there 
some recalls?

   CR

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 16:13:52 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:13:52 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
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Higher octane doesn't equate to more power. Higher octane resists  
igniting more. So you need
more pressure (compression) to get it to fire efficiently.  This can  
generally correlate to poorer gas milage.



On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Charles & Peggy Robinson wrote:

> First off, congratulations on the new driver!  Er, and higher  
> insurance premiums. (BG)
>
> Concerning sensitivity of new engines to (you name it), I gotta  
> agree.  The engine in Peg's Prius is sensitive to over filling of  
> the sump. It would appear that if there's too much oil in the pan it  
> impeded the crank's rotation and it's manifested in lower gas mileage.
>
>  Another thing on the Prius is that it runs worse on higher octane  
> gas than regular unleaded.  Dunno why.
>
> I remember the sludge incidences.  AIR they did e re-design of the  
> breather/EGR systems and shortened the change intervals.  Weren't  
> there some recalls?
>
>  CR
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Jan 15 16:19:39 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:19:39 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
Message-ID: <c57.4c5f8a53.36a11e8b@aol.com>

Very common misconception, that. Everyone seems to think they'll get more  
power instead of less when they use higher octane.  Even racers that should  
know better.
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2009 3:14:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ptrmgb at gmail.com writes:

Higher  octane doesn't equate to more power. Higher octane resists  
igniting  more. So you need
more pressure (compression) to get it to fire  efficiently.  This can  
generally correlate to poorer gas  milage.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 16 01:42:11 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:42:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
References: <B32489E8C61E4F4C8EFCF27826787F6F@scloffice>
Message-ID: <1DF744F94A27424588DE308329D6E083@Three>

Even BL, bless their cotton socks, used to put their engines through a
break-in cycle in the 70s.  At the end of the production line they were filled
with some kind of oil and bolted to a moving platform that engaged with one
end or the other of the crank.  As they went along the crank was spun at a
couple of thousand rpm or so for several minutes, then drained at the end.
Not as comprehensive as this, but better than nowt.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Be a little careful of comparing oil change recommendations for new cars
and
  rebuilt engines. Porsche, for instance, puts every engine through a full
  break in procedure before ever installing the engine in a car...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Jan 16 01:52:58 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:52:58 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
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Message-ID: <117DFD9C4FDF4756B279DE15F852C8D9@Three>

Not directly, but because it resists pinking better you can run with more
advance, and that *does* give better performance.  And if you don't use the
performance it gives better mileage.  More advance means more of the burn
occurs higher up in the down-stroke and it is that that gives the additional
power and economy.

There are occasional questions in uninformed motoring press here in the UK as
to whether it is worth paying extra for super unleaded over ordinary unleaded.
The answer is almost always 'no', which is probably correct, because the
people doing the asking have modern bread-and-butter cars with ECUs with fixed
maps that can only be changed by rechipping, even with knock sensing, which is
just used as an emergency timing back-off if knocking is detected.
Performance cars often use knock sensing to vary the map as well, and in those
cars you do get an improvement in performance, and my ZS 180 falls in to that
category as does my sons BMW M3 coupe.  Of course we can change our timing at
will, which is why our cars also benefit from higher octane.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Higher octane doesn't equate to more power. Higher octane resists
  igniting more. So you need
  more pressure (compression) to get it to fire efficiently.  This can
  generally correlate to poorer gas milage.

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Jan 16 02:55:21 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:55:21 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCECKCFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

like to know the REST of THIS story !!! 

>From my local paper<G>!!
************************************ 

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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 05:46:51 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:46:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCECKCFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <117957.73523.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dang, Ed, 'permission denied'! What'd I do???

 Dan D
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'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:55:21 AM
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...

like to know the REST of THIS story !!! 

>From my local paper<G>!!
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 05:46:51 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:46:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCECKCFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <117957.73523.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dang, Ed, 'permission denied'! What'd I do???

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like to know the REST of THIS story !!! 

>From my local paper<G>!!
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From shop at justbrits.com  Fri Jan 16 06:31:04 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:31:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
In-Reply-To: <117957.73523.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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<<Dang, Ed, 'permission denied'! What'd I do???>>

FIRST, not editing your 'reply/question' Dan !!!! Of course you MUST enjoy
getting bounce notices from:
Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com
Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com
Spridgets		AND
Healeys at Autox.Team.Net
because you did NOT delete them from you reply???  And just WHY would you
think that I NEED 1 message direct to me PLUS the one on the MGs
List??  If you will notice the ONLY reply to your question will be the one
ON the MGs List.  You will NOT get a private one<G>!!  Geesh.

Second, I have no idea.  I re-checked with both Firefox and I.E.6.

So I guess the question needs to be 'what browser are you using' ??

Me

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 16 07:05:04 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:05:04 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJOECOCFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <0479B5E6136E477E90708E8D47B9FD03@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>
To: "Mgs at Autox.Team.Net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] I would SURE...


<<Dang, Ed, 'permission denied'! What'd I do???>>

FIRST, not editing your 'reply/question' Dan !!!! Of course you MUST enjoy
getting bounce notices from:
Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com
Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com
Spridgets AND
Healeys at Autox.Team.Net
because you did NOT delete them from you reply???  And just WHY would you
think that I NEED 1 message direct to me PLUS the one on the MGs
List??  If you will notice the ONLY reply to your question will be the one
ON the MGs List.  You will NOT get a private one<G>!!  Geesh.

Second, I have no idea.  I re-checked with both Firefox and I.E.6.

So I guess the question needs to be 'what browser are you using' ??

Me
_______________________________________________

You seem especially nasty for so early in the morning, Ed.

Hung over or did you already start drinking?


Larry Daniels

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 09:06:21 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:06:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] I would SURE...
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	<0479B5E6136E477E90708E8D47B9FD03@Larry>
Message-ID: <967350.80602.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

From: Larry Daniels <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>; "Mgs at Autox.Team.Net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:05:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] I would SURE...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>
To: "Mgs at Autox.Team.Net" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] I would SURE...


<<Dang, Ed, 'permission denied'! What'd I do???>>

FIRST, not editing your 'reply/question' Dan !!!! Of course you MUST enjoy
getting bounce notices from:
Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com
Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com
Spridgets AND
Healeys at Autox.Team.Net
because you did NOT delete them from you reply???  And just WHY would you
think that I NEED 1 message direct to me PLUS the one on the MGs
List??  If you will notice the ONLY reply to your question will be the one
ON the MGs List.  You will NOT get a private one<G>!!  Geesh.

Second, I have no idea.  I re-checked with both Firefox and I.E.6.

So I guess the question needs to be 'what browser are you using' ??

Me
_______________________________________________

You seem especially nasty for so early in the morning, Ed.

Hung over or did you already start drinking?


Larry Daniels
_______________________________________________
LOL, Larry, fortunately, I know it's just Ed being Ed.....! Otherwise I would have responded with something like 
'AND the horse you rode in on!'.... Perhaps he was hanging out with Michael Cain last night! ;-)

The link worked via the cut 'n paste method. Just didn't think to try it when I first looked at it this am. Hadn't hit 
the coffee yet.

Ed, BTW, Firefox 3.0.4.... And how do you know I don't subscribe to those other lists? 

Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Fri Jan 16 18:51:31 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:51:31 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <1DF744F94A27424588DE308329D6E083@Three>
References: <B32489E8C61E4F4C8EFCF27826787F6F@scloffice>
	<1DF744F94A27424588DE308329D6E083@Three>
Message-ID: <497139A3.20600@ktc.com>

Wow! Are you sure?  First time I've heard of that.

   CR

Paul Hunt wrote:
> Even BL, bless their cotton socks, used to put their engines through a
> break-in cycle in the 70s.  At the end of the production line they were filled
> with some kind of oil and bolted to a moving platform that engaged with one
> end or the other of the crank.  As they went along the crank was spun at a
> couple of thousand rpm or so for several minutes, then drained at the end.
> Not as comprehensive as this, but better than nowt.
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 16 21:00:16 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>

hi, all.  

i'm getting ready to pull the engine in my 73 b roadster.  

do i have to remove the exhaust pipe to get the tranny support out?

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Jan 17 02:10:45 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:10:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Reality, was:Oil Article
In-Reply-To: <C8B547F7-4966-4E4D-ABC5-43BC03A4A731@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEEKCFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<This can generally correlate to poorer gas milage.>>

Is that kinda like -600BHP at rear wheels does, Paul???

<G><F><G>!!!

'Fun' BUT	PITW !

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Jan 17 02:58:28 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:58:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
In-Reply-To: <000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
Message-ID: <4971ABC4.2000309@ktc.com>

Yes and prepare to replace all the engine/tranny mounts.

   CR





oliver wrote:
> hi, all. 
> i'm getting ready to pull the engine in my 73 b roadster. 
> do i have to remove the exhaust pipe to get the tranny support out?
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 17 07:04:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:04:12 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Oil Article
References: <B32489E8C61E4F4C8EFCF27826787F6F@scloffice>
	<1DF744F94A27424588DE308329D6E083@Three> <497139A3.20600@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <65A1D4DE760D43BEBD6D445056F1A0A3@Three>

Sure from having seen it.  I toured Longbridge in the early 70s, possibly late
60s. Amongst many other things saw them dip-priming body shells, with Minis
they put a huge shaft right through the body and rolled it through the tank
like it was on a spit.  Huge steam hammers banged out crankshafts from plain
billets in just three blows using progressively more accurate dies.  Induction
heaters got the gears on cam shafts glowing red hot in 2 or 3 seconds.  In
those days while they bought small components in the rest of the cars were
built virtually from scratch, from stamping out crankshafts as I say to the
upholstery shop where they cut and stitched all the interior trimmings.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  Wow! Are you sure?  First time I've heard of that.

  Paul Hunt wrote:
  > Even BL, bless their cotton socks, used to put their engines through a
  > break-in cycle in the 70s.  At the end of the production line they were
filled
  > with some kind of oil and bolted to a moving platform that engaged with
one
  > end or the other of the crank.  As they went along the crank was spun at
a
  > couple of thousand rpm or so for several minutes, then drained at the
end.
  > Not as comprehensive as this, but better than nowt.
  >
  > PaulH.
  >   ----- Original Message -----

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 17 07:17:46 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:17:46 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
Message-ID: <79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>

If you are only pulling the *engine* as you indicate then no.  If you are
removing engine and gearbox complete then you will have to unbolt the gearbox
from the rear crossmember, and dropping it does help.  I've done that for
other reasons i.e. engine and exhaust still installed and connected together,
and it dropped far enough for whatever I wanted to do.  If the exhaust
down-pipes are disconnected from the manifold and the bellhousing strap then
with the up and down movement now available on the front half of the exhaust
I'd have thought you would have more than enough room to drop the cross-member
and detach it from the gearbox.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  i'm getting ready to pull the engine in my 73 b roadster.

  do i have to remove the exhaust pipe to get the tranny support out?

From eric at erickson.on.net  Sat Jan 17 09:00:31 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:30:31 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
Message-ID: <4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>

Guys,

I am looking to buy a head gasket for my new engine from the Cometic 
Gasket people in Concord, OH.

Yes, there is a Cometic distributor in Australia but it seems they don't 
have the exact gasket I need and would have to "special order" it in... 
so I am probably better off trying to get it from Cometic myself 
(maybe).  The guys at Cometic said they don't stock any of these 
specific gaskets and they would have to make one up, which would take a 
few days.

This is the "maybe" part.

Cometic have given me a part number and have quoted me a price... but 
their quoted cost of shipping the item is horrendous (about half the 
cost of the item again and the gasket price is $US94.00).

Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have the 
option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option offered) they 
stick it in an express parcel delivery service?  I don't need the thing 
overnight!

Can't they just wander down to the post office and hand it over the 
counter for mail to Australia?

Anyway, after that rant... maybe I can pay twice and still get it 
cheaper?  If find someone that lives nearby maybe I could have it 
delivered to them and then pay them to mail it to me... SLOW BOAT, CHEAP 
AS POSSIBLE!

Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?



Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From barrie at look.ca  Sat Jan 17 10:39:50 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <E1LOFcT-0005sS-US@delta.look.ca>

Eric,

This "fastest possible" is the normal American mode. They are steeped 
in rapid consumerism.   I continually battle with US firms to use 
good old US Post...but they all want to use overnight or 3 day 
deliveries.  But shipments to Canada are even more expensive as when 
they use the non-postal services there is a "customs clearance" 
charge imposed by the courier.  UPS is famous for this.  So one ends 
up paying for overnight (or 2-3 business days) freight AND a customs 
charge.  With US post - none of this.   I got stiffed $30 + $23 + 
taxes for a $10 part!!  But try and educate the US suppliers 
.....!!!!   Having said that some of them have got wise - even to 
using "sample" or "old auto parts" for easy border clearance !!  One 
thing I have found is that the supplier often has no protocol which 
allows the shipping dept to use the US Post - they have contracts 
with one courier like FedEx, UPS etc etc. Some web sites do not even 
offer slow cheap US Post Service in their "buy on line" 
facility!!   Best bet is get it shipped to a friend in the US and get 
them to mail it to you.   But postage to and from Australia/Canada is 
very expensive - !!!




At 11:00 AM 1/17/2009, Eric Erickson wrote:
>Guys,
>
>I am looking to buy a head gasket for my new engine from the Cometic 
>Gasket people in Concord, OH.
>
>Yes, there is a Cometic distributor in Australia but it seems they 
>don't have the exact gasket I need and would have to "special order" 
>it in... so I am probably better off trying to get it from Cometic 
>myself (maybe).  The guys at Cometic said they don't stock any of 
>these specific gaskets and they would have to make one up, which 
>would take a few days.
>
>This is the "maybe" part.
>
>Cometic have given me a part number and have quoted me a price... 
>but their quoted cost of shipping the item is horrendous (about half 
>the cost of the item again and the gasket price is $US94.00).
>
>Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have 
>the option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option offered) 
>they stick it in an express parcel delivery service?  I don't need 
>the thing overnight!
>
>Can't they just wander down to the post office and hand it over the 
>counter for mail to Australia?
>
>Anyway, after that rant... maybe I can pay twice and still get it 
>cheaper?  If find someone that lives nearby maybe I could have it 
>delivered to them and then pay them to mail it to me... SLOW BOAT, 
>CHEAP AS POSSIBLE!
>
>Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?
>
>
>
>Eric
>Adelaide, South Australia
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
>You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca
>
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs
>
>http://www.team.net/archive

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From palte at gmx.net  Sat Jan 17 12:04:26 2009
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:04:26 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Rectangular Bezel Removal - Update
In-Reply-To: <4F6B6A0EBFB34730A04D39891AF3B64F@StusLaptopPC>
References: <20090107183836.6351E187662@autox.team.net>
	<49651F1D.4080208@gmail.com> <00a501c97126$4ebf36e0$ec3da4a0$@net>
	<95FD530C3B4540DDB2BA60AF68E7C778@StusLaptopPC>
	<20090108104342.277340@gmx.net>
	<4F6B6A0EBFB34730A04D39891AF3B64F@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <20090117190448.0B6DF1878D1@autox.team.net>

Well, at last I decided to pry open the rectangular bezel - it came 
off easier than I expected.
(and later, after reassembly, it was practically invisible  that the 
clock had been opened).

It was NOT the electromagnet- controlled type I expected, rather 
there is a one transistor circuit
and an electromagnet that controls the forward and backward rotation 
of the flywheel.
So, the accuracy  is still determined by the mechanics, i.e. not by a 
quartz oscillator.

The problem was probably caused by a bad internal ground contact,
I'm not totally sure, but after cleaning the internal contacts, the 
clock now works fine again.

That is the end of the story!




Bert



>It has been many, many, years ago since I have dismantled such a clock.
>IIRC there is an electromagnet inside that rewinds the coil spring when it
>is out of action.
>This happens every 5 minutes or so, causing the clock to 'click'.
>There is no mention of 'quartz' on the face of the clock,  so it is not an
>electronic one.
>
>Come to think of it, probably the contact breaker points for the magnet
>inside the clock are corroded
>(as was the case with the engine distributor, the car would not run
>initially
>since having been standing for over 20 years. Cleaning the CB points cleared
>that problem.
>They were replaced shortly after, of course).
>
>So, I'm now thinking of trying an electrical trick first, before
>dismantling.
>I'll keep you informed.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 12:13:48 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:13:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <E1LOFcT-0005sS-US@delta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <446319.42220.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> But shipments to
> Canada are even more expensive as when they use the
> non-postal services there is a "customs clearance"
> charge imposed by the courier.  UPS is famous for this.  So
> one ends up paying for overnight (or 2-3 business days)
> freight AND a customs charge.  With US post - none of this. 

The reason for this is that as the US's "official" 
postal agency, the USPS enjoys reciprocity with other
governments for customs duty.  In essence, the customs
fees are waived for other govermental carriers.
Private shippers don't get the "members only" treatment
and they must pay the full customs inspection fee.
That fee isn't imposed by the shipper, it's passed
on as a cost of doing business.

From palte at gmx.net  Sat Jan 17 12:15:52 2009
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert P)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:15:52 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>

Eric,

I share your amazement.

Only a few days ago, I had a U.S. based company (near Columbus, Ohio) 
ship some used parts
(not car parts, something for the company I work for) to me here in Holland.
The total mass was about 4 lbs. The shipment was totally time-uncritical.
The cheapest option they came up with was using FedEx at a cost of 
about US $ 400.

Bert



>Cometic have given me a part number and have quoted me a price... 
>but their quoted cost of shipping the item is horrendous (about half 
>the cost of the item again and the gasket price is $US94.00).
>
>Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have 
>the option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option offered) 
>they stick it in an express parcel delivery service?  I don't need 
>the thing overnight!
>
>Can't they just wander down to the post office and hand it over the 
>counter for mail to Australia?
>
>Anyway, after that rant... maybe I can pay twice and still get it 
>cheaper?  If find someone that lives nearby maybe I could have it 
>delivered to them and then pay them to mail it to me... SLOW BOAT, 
>CHEAP AS POSSIBLE!
>
>Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?
>
>
>
>Eric
>Adelaide, South Australia
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
>You are subscribed as palte at gmx.net
>
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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>
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Sat Jan 17 17:53:30 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:23:30 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <200901171916.n0HJGQPo036047@ash25e.internode.on.net>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<200901171916.n0HJGQPo036047@ash25e.internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <49727D8A.1020104@erickson.on.net>

Bert P wrote:
> Eric,
> 
> I share your amazement.
> 
> Only a few days ago, I had a U.S. based company (near Columbus, Ohio) 
> ship some used parts
> (not car parts, something for the company I work for) to me here in 
> Holland.
> The total mass was about 4 lbs. The shipment was totally time-uncritical.
> The cheapest option they came up with was using FedEx at a cost of about 
> US $ 400.
> 


Thanks all - and for the offers "off list".

By the way,  I made my comments about getting a slow/cheap rate of 
shipping to the guy at Cometic (as nice and friendly as he was) - maybe 
he just had trouble with my accent but all I got was... silence.  It 
seems he had quoted me the price including shipping and that was it.

Maybe these businesses just consider small job lots like this for 
international buyers to be an inconvenience?


Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From barrie at look.ca  Sat Jan 17 13:12:38 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:12:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>

Bert,

I have just posted a 4 kilo package (old vinyl records) by surface to 
Amsterdam for Cdn$63.   6-8 weeks delivery time




At 02:15 PM 1/17/2009, Bert P wrote:
>Eric,
>
>I share your amazement.
>
>Only a few days ago, I had a U.S. based company (near Columbus, 
>Ohio) ship some used parts
>(not car parts, something for the company I work for) to me here in Holland.
>The total mass was about 4 lbs. The shipment was totally time-uncritical.
>The cheapest option they came up with was using FedEx at a cost of 
>about US $ 400.
>
>Bert
>
>
>
>>Cometic have given me a part number and have quoted me a price... 
>>but their quoted cost of shipping the item is horrendous (about 
>>half the cost of the item again and the gasket price is $US94.00).
>>
>>Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have 
>>the option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option 
>>offered) they stick it in an express parcel delivery service?  I 
>>don't need the thing overnight!
>>
>>Can't they just wander down to the post office and hand it over the 
>>counter for mail to Australia?
>>
>>Anyway, after that rant... maybe I can pay twice and still get it 
>>cheaper?  If find someone that lives nearby maybe I could have it 
>>delivered to them and then pay them to mail it to me... SLOW BOAT, 
>>CHEAP AS POSSIBLE!
>>
>>Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>Adelaide, South Australia
>>_______________________________________________
>>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>>
>>You are subscribed as palte at gmx.net
>>
>>
>>Mgs at autox.team.net
>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs
>>
>>http://www.team.net/archive
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
>You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca
>
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
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>
>http://www.team.net/archive

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 12:01:25 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:01:25 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
	<E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.com>

I have no idea what dealing with the post office is like in your country,
but here in the US to ship something by post office will take at least one
hour of an employee's time.  At least when ever I go to ship something it
always seem to take at least 1 hour.
That time is not free.  during that one hour the employee will not be taking
orders, packing shipments or whatever his regular job is.
So not only will the company have to pay his wages, benefits etc, they will
have to get someone else to fill in his shoes while he is at the post
office.
Compare that to the convenience that FedEx offers, and from the company
point of view it is a no brainer.  The post office loses.


>>>
>>> Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have the
>>> option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option offered) they stick
>>> it in an express parcel delivery service?  I don't need the thing overnight!
>>> ...
>>
>>

>
>>> Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?

From awhitema at panix.com  Sun Jan 18 12:26:18 2009
From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:26:18 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
	<E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>
	<a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AE720D8-1993-4818-AEEA-3D9E740E30E1@panix.com>

On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> I have no idea what dealing with the post office is like in your  
> country,
> but here in the US to ship something by post office will take at  
> least one
> hour of an employee's time.

Only if you actually go to the Post office.  They will come to you.
<http://www.usps.com/pickup/welcome.htm?from=business&page=schedulepickup 
 >

> At least when ever I go to ship something it
> always seem to take at least 1 hour.

So stop going to the post office.  They will come to you.

> So not only will the company have to pay his wages, benefits etc,  
> they will
> have to get someone else to fill in his shoes while he is at the post
> office.

So stop going to the post office.  They will come to you.

>
> Compare that to the convenience that FedEx offers, and from the  
> company
> point of view it is a no brainer.  The post office loses.

Clearly, this is not always true.  Monoprice.com and Amazon.com use  
USPS quite happily.  I as a customer appreciate it too, USPS is much  
better at getting a package to my door on time.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Sun Jan 18 14:44:39 2009
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (saidel at camden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:44:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <3AE720D8-1993-4818-AEEA-3D9E740E30E1@panix.com>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
	<E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>
	<a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3AE720D8-1993-4818-AEEA-3D9E740E30E1@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090118164439.msyd51bd8kogowkw@webmail.camden.rutgers.edu>

Besides, UPS loses packages, at least mine, with a frequency that does
not make me happy.

Bill Saidel
BMCSNJ


Quoting Aaron Whiteman <awhitema at panix.com>:

> On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what dealing with the post office is like in your
>> country,
>> but here in the US to ship something by post office will take at
>> least one
>> hour of an employee's time.
>
> Only if you actually go to the Post office.  They will come to you.
> <http://www.usps.com/pickup/welcome.htm?from=business&page=schedulepickup
>  >
>
>> At least when ever I go to ship something it
>> always seem to take at least 1 hour.
>
> So stop going to the post office.  They will come to you.
>
>> So not only will the company have to pay his wages, benefits etc,
>> they will
>> have to get someone else to fill in his shoes while he is at the post
>> office.
>
> So stop going to the post office.  They will come to you.
>
>>
>> Compare that to the convenience that FedEx offers, and from the
>> company
>> point of view it is a no brainer.  The post office loses.
>
> Clearly, this is not always true.  Monoprice.com and Amazon.com use
> USPS quite happily.  I as a customer appreciate it too, USPS is much
> better at getting a package to my door on time.

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 18 14:13:08 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Trans-ship me a gasket!
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000401c97858$1d28ad30$941f10ac@sunbeam>
	<79E6D8EEFB484833AB1A759650621A41@Three>
	<4972009F.7000306@erickson.on.net>
	<20090117191637.50A9F1878D0@autox.team.net>
	<E1LObGD-0003SS-4K@gamma.look.ca>
	<a3b984e10901181101y6a4d63a8l8a8a7a9cff9e2aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1LOfqv-0000pQ-82@epsilon.look.ca>

Richard,

Me'thinks the USPO needs to give their staff a quick kick up the 
proverbial.  I was in and out our Canadian PO in less than ten 
minutes and that included me not filling in the forms in advance 
(what's in it, return address & such).  A friend who came in behind 
me teased me saying I was holding up the queue !!!


At 02:01 PM 1/18/2009, Richard Ewald wrote:
>I have no idea what dealing with the post office is like in your 
>country, but here in the US to ship something by post office will 
>take at least one hour of an employee's time.  At least when ever I 
>go to ship something it always seem to take at least 1 hour.
>That time is not free.  during that one hour the employee will not 
>be taking orders, packing shipments or whatever his regular job is.
>So not only will the company have to pay his wages, benefits etc, 
>they will have to get someone else to fill in his shoes while he is 
>at the post office.
>Compare that to the convenience that FedEx offers, and from the 
>company point of view it is a no brainer.  The post office loses.
>
>
>
>Why is it that many American companies I have dealt with don't have 
>the option of cheap surface mail but rather (with no option offered) 
>they stick it in an express parcel delivery service?  I don't need 
>the thing overnight!
>...
>
>
>
>Does this sound reasonable... feasible... plausible?
>
>

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 15:53:06 2009
From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:53:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Trans drain plug leak
Message-ID: <259504.34997.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fellow Listers;

First of all, thanks to all who responded about the clutch slave cylinder bleeder screw location.  I got that all sorted out this afternoon and bled the entire system.

This work leads me to another question.  I've noticed that my trans (4 sp ) has pretty much always leaked from the drain plug.  The design of the plug does not allow for any gasket.  I was wondering if anyone had a fix for this type of leak...or is this just one of the nuances of the MGB?

Thanks...

Matt M.
'74 MGBGT
Willow Grove, PA

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 01:53:32 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:53:32 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Trans drain plug leak
References: <259504.34997.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9FA6254B859D479AA570A06B6B7E025E@Three>

Unlike the sump plug the gearbox plug is tapered (like the rubber bumper
gearbox level plug and the axle drain and level plugs) and so should be
capable of being tightened until it doesn't leak.  Are you sure it isn't
coming from somewhere else and simply dripping off there as the lowest point?
If it *is* coming from the drain plug and it *is* tight then maybe the threads
on the plug or the casing are damaged.  Let's hope it is the plug.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  I've noticed that my trans (4 sp ) has pretty much always leaked from
the drain plug.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Mon Jan 19 03:38:45 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:38:45 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Trans drain plug leak
In-Reply-To: <259504.34997.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <259504.34997.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090119103846.F01F7187674@autox.team.net>

At 02:53 PM 1/18/2009 -0800, Matthew Milkevitch wrote:
>....
>.... I've noticed that my trans (4 sp ) has pretty much always 
>leaked from the drain plug.  The design of the plug does not allow 
>for any gasket. ....

It has a tapered pipe thread with no gasket.  The slightest bit of 
dirt in the threads will cause it to leak.  Wrap a turn and a half of 
PTFE (Teflon) pipe tape around the threads on the plug before 
installation.  If it still leaks then, the threads would have to be 
seriously buggered. 

From hardt at sonic.net  Mon Jan 19 10:56:01 2009
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:56:01 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Trans drain plug leak
In-Reply-To: <20090119103846.F01F7187674@autox.team.net>
References: <259504.34997.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<20090119103846.F01F7187674@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4974BEB1.6030801@sonic.net>

If the threads are buggered, most auto supply places sell rubber
(neoprene?) squeeze plugs usually used for oil pans that should stop the
leak. It has rubber between metal plates and when tightened the rubber
bulges out to seal. I've never had to use one but I know people who have
with success.

Ron
58 MGA

Barney Gaylord wrote:

> It has a tapered pipe thread with no gasket.  The slightest bit of dirt 
> in the threads will cause it to leak.  Wrap a turn and a half of PTFE 
> (Teflon) pipe tape around the threads on the plug before installation.  
> If it still leaks then, the threads would have to be seriously buggered. 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 20 12:35:12 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:35:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

hi.  i'm getting even closer to pulling the engine and tranny on a 73 
roadster.  i'm wondering if there are recommended and not recommended anchor 
points.

thanks. 

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Jan 20 12:44:47 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
Message-ID: <20090120.144448.2440.21.MGBOB@juno.com>

   Some lift off the studs to which the rocker cover is secured. That is
the way MG installed engines; the lifting tab is still in place on many
engines.        
  Others cringe at the thought of hanging 350 lbs off two little bits of
steel that have been twisted/bent/overtightened during an unknown number
of liftings.
   Manifold and water pump studs are much larger than the rocker cover
studs, and it's easy to substitute long bolts with a connecting tab in
place of a head stud.  Another way is to use a sling of strap/webbing or
a rope. 
Bob

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:35:12 -0600 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> hi.  i'm getting even closer to pulling the engine and tranny on a 73 
> 
> roadster.  i'm wondering if there are recommended and not 
> recommended anchor 
> points.
> 
> thanks. 
____________________________________________________________
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 13:47:51 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:47:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <741557.8617.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Oliver, I have used webbing rated at 500 pounds each very successfully.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P7200014.jpg

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:35:12 PM
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine

hi.  i'm getting even closer to pulling the engine and tranny on a 73 roadster.  i'm wondering if there are recommended and not recommended anchor points.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Jan 20 17:46:59 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:46:59 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
In-Reply-To: <20090120.144448.2440.21.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090120.144448.2440.21.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20090121004732.9567E187684@autox.team.net>

At 02:44 PM 1/20/2009 -0500, Bob Howard wrote:
>    Some lift off the studs to which the rocker cover is secured. 
> That is the way MG installed engines; the lifting tab is still in 
> place on many engines.
>....
>    Manifold and water pump studs are much larger than the rocker 
> cover studs,

Not so.  Manifold and water pump bolts on the Austin B-series engines 
are the same size as the rocker cover studs (5/16-inch), and those 
horizontal bolts would be loaded sideways for lifting rather than in 
tension.  Lots of people use the rocker cover studs for lifting with 
no problem.  In fact I don't recall ever hearing of anyone having any 
problem with the strength of those studs for lifting, so I suspect 
any advise to the contrary is just superstition.

>....
>On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:35:12 -0600 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >....
> > .... i'm wondering if there are recommended and not recommended 
> anchor points.
> > ....

From james.nazarian at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 18:20:29 2009
From: james.nazarian at gmail.com (James Nazarian)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
In-Reply-To: <20090121004732.9567E187684@autox.team.net>
References: <20090120.144448.2440.21.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<20090121004732.9567E187684@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BDCD978B-C184-454A-B764-DF0057637181@gmail.com>

FWIW I broke one of those studs once. The engine got hung up on  
something and while trying to wiggle it free one of the studs snapped.  
At that point the engine/mission fell back into the car and scared the  
sh!t out of me.  This was while pulling the engine on a non- running  
car I'd just bought so I can't vouch for the condition of the studs  
prior.

  I'd probably done the same job a dozen times before on other cars  
but ever since I use the front and rear head studs.

YMMV
James

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>  
wrote:

> At 02:44 PM 1/20/2009 -0500, Bob Howard wrote:
>>   Some lift off the studs to which the rocker cover is secured.  
>> That is the way MG installed engines; the lifting tab is still in  
>> place on many engines.
>> ....
>>   Manifold and water pump studs are much larger than the rocker  
>> cover studs,
>
> Not so.  Manifold and water pump bolts on the Austin B-series  
> engines are the same size as the rocker cover studs (5/16-inch), and  
> those horizontal bolts would be loaded sideways for lifting rather  
> than in tension.  Lots of people use the rocker cover studs for  
> lifting with no problem.  In fact I don't recall ever hearing of  
> anyone having any problem with the strength of those studs for  
> lifting, so I suspect any advise to the contrary is just superstition.
>
>> ....
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:35:12 -0600 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>  
>> writes:
>> >....
>> > .... i'm wondering if there are recommended and not recommended  
>> anchor points.
>> > ....
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 20 21:23:32 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:23:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<741557.8617.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c97b80$99ab23d0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

just an update on the fun i've been having lately in the garage . . .

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/index.html#update

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 21 02:10:10 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:10:10 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com><000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><741557.8617.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000901c97b80$99ab23d0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <59674FF1669E43B79C150648A3831B68@Three>

Noticed this on your page -

"And here it is, ready to go. Interestingly enough the two dizzy's were 180
degrees apart. Just move the wires and you're done. The mistake I made was not
having a second base plate. Now if this thing fails I have to reset the old
one when I put it in. I am in the process of obtaining another one, then I'll
drop it in, set the timing, and it will be plug and play. Important if you're
on a dark road at night."

Just an observation that if a distributor has been disassembled at any time
then it's possible to put them back together 180 degrees different to how they
were before, which is when the plug wires have to be moved round two
positions.  Note I'm *not* saying you can put the distributor back in the
engine 180 degrees out, you can't.

Secondly the distributor clamp plate mounting holes are ovalled to give timing
adjustment.  Unless you deliberately put both clamp plates in the engine at
one and the same extremity of their adjustment and set the timing there by
sliding the distributors in the clamp plate you aren't going to be able to
swap distributors without retiming.  However the range of timing isn't huge,
I'm sure in most case the engine would start and run enough to get you where
you are going wherever in the range you put it, but would still need retiming.
If you *do* put it at one extremity then you have lost the ability to tweak
the timing easily, in one direction at least, it is better to move the clamp
plate on the engine than move the distributor in the clamp plate for small
retiming adjustments.   Personally I always carry a timing light anyway, it is
an essential diagnostic tool for an engine that has suddenly stopped or won't
start.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  just an update on the fun i've been having lately in the garage . . .

  http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/index.html#update

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 10:05:39 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:05:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<741557.8617.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000901c97b80$99ab23d0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <391723.13381.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Quite the collection there, Dave....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: MG LIST <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] pulling engine

just an update on the fun i've been having lately in the garage . . .

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/index.html#update

From twobees at sprynet.com  Wed Jan 21 13:01:08 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:01:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
Message-ID: <000201c97c03$010c28d0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Oliver:
 
I always used dedicated Gr. 5 or 8 bolts to replace the front exhaust
manifold stud & the right rear head stud.  With large washers holding a
length of chain onto the bolts, it gave me the ability to tilt the engine
left or right, front or back.  Always worked well, whether with an
fixed-position electric lift or hydraulic lift on casters.
 
Norm Sippel

From jevans at mydb3.com  Thu Jan 22 13:33:19 2009
From: jevans at mydb3.com (jevans at mydb3.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:33:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mgs] 13th British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble
Message-ID: <2078.75.56.49.211.1232656399.squirrel@wm.mydb3.com>

The 13th annual British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble will be held on
February 22, 2009 from 8 AM to 3 PM at the DuPage County Fairgrounds in
Wheaton, IL.

Vendor preregistration forms were mailed several weeks ago to several
hundred vendors and British car club addresses:  if you are a vendor to
this market and you did not get a preregistration form, please contact me
off list for information; if you are a British car club officer and would
like information about club participation, please contact me off list.

Notification to over 1100 individuals who have signed up for our mailing
list took place last week.  If you did not get one of our famous "purple
postcards" and would like to get on the mailing list, please contact me
off list.

If you live in the Indianapolis, St Louis, Peoria, Rockford, Rock Island,
Chicago or Milwaukee areas watch your Sunday newspaper on January 25 in
the "classic car" (or equivalent) classified ad section for info on the
British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble.

This event now attracts both vendors and shoppers from throughout the
midwest, with over 100 indoor vendor spaces and up to 1,000 shoppers in
recent years.  The location is in a suburban environment roughly 25 miles
west of Chicago.  Info can be had at http://www.britishcarswap.info or by
contacting me directly off list.

The British Car Swap Meet & Autojumble is sponsored by the Chicagoland MG
Club and enjoys the support and participation of all the Chicago area
British car clubs.

FOR THE CHICAGOLAND MG CLUB
Jim Evans
630-858-8192

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Jan 23 00:28:28 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:28:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] UML Birthday party Saturday
Message-ID: <20090123072843.14819187657@autox.team.net>

Anyone else going to the UML party Saturday?

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From twobees at sprynet.com  Fri Jan 23 11:45:04 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:45:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Roadster Sells at Mecum
Message-ID: <009301c97d8a$b51215f0$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Lot # F83, a restored MGA just sold for $26,500 at Mecum's Kissimmee, FL
auction.  See:
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0109-76720
<http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0109-76720&entryRow=1
51> &entryRow=151

Norm Sippel

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Jan 24 09:34:54 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:34:54 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] Name change
Message-ID: <E5982DFB7E8440D9ABC771104FA11E7F@Three>

NAC MG UK Ltd changes its name to MG Motor UK Ltd -
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/01/20/375484.html

http://www.mgmotor.co.uk/

Doesn't sound right without the 's' i.e. MG Motors UK Ltd.  You can almost
hear the Chinese pronunciation, as if the Chinese bosses over-rode local
managers.

PaulH.

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Sat Jan 24 14:49:48 2009
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] pulling engine
In-Reply-To: <000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <593395.17667.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c97b36$3fb9ee50$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <497B8CFC.6090408@snet.net>

Oliver:

I have a pair of L brackets with two holes, one small sized to the head 
bolts and one large to attach a chain.  These go under the head nuts at 
either end of the head with the L to the outside.  I use an engine 
tilter and I need that amount of distance between lifting eyes to make 
it work effectively.  It has worked well.

oliver wrote:
> hi.  i'm getting even closer to pulling the engine and tranny on a 73 
> roadster.  i'm wondering if there are recommended and not recommended 
> anchor points.
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From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 25 10:09:04 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Name change
In-Reply-To: <E5982DFB7E8440D9ABC771104FA11E7F@Three>
References: <E5982DFB7E8440D9ABC771104FA11E7F@Three>
Message-ID: <E1LR92A-0004uT-6Q@alpha.look.ca>

I have sent an email into them asking why no "s" - Suggest we all 
send in emails of protest


At 11:34 AM 1/24/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>NAC MG UK Ltd changes its name to MG Motor UK Ltd -
>http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/01/20/375484.html
>
>http://www.mgmotor.co.uk/
>
>Doesn't sound right without the 's' i.e. MG Motors UK Ltd.  You can almost
>hear the Chinese pronunciation, as if the Chinese bosses over-rode local
>managers.
>
>PaulH.
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From twobees at sprynet.com  Sun Jan 25 10:45:02 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Source for 9/16" Shock Nut?
Message-ID: <001501c97f14$a6d83330$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Anyone have an idea where I can find the 9/16", 16 castellated nut for the
arm of the front shock on my Spridget other than shock rebuilders?  I've
tried NAPA & ACE Hardware.  Best I can find is 9/16", 12 or 18.
 
Norm Sippel

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Sun Jan 25 10:52:55 2009
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:52:55 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Source for 9/16" Shock Nut?
In-Reply-To: <001501c97f14$a6d83330$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <200901251752.n0PHqi8W016553@mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com>

I haven't checked, but I should think that it would be readily available
from:

McMaster-Carr.com

David


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Source for 9/16" Shock Nut?

Anyone have an idea where I can find the 9/16", 16 castellated nut for the
arm of the front shock on my Spridget other than shock rebuilders?  I've
tried NAPA & ACE Hardware.  Best I can find is 9/16", 12 or 18.
 
Norm Sippel

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 11:53:18 2009
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:53:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Name change
In-Reply-To: <E1LR92A-0004uT-6Q@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <78893.79249.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> I have sent an email into them asking why no "s" -
> Suggest we all send in emails of protest

Ford doesn't employ an "s" either.  It's the
Ford Motor Company, frequently referred to
in the business press as simply Ford Motor.

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 25 12:04:49 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Dash kits
Message-ID: <E1LRBHg-0008KO-DA@zeta.look.ca>

Has anyone bought a dash kit from Auto Car Image 
http://www.autocarimage.com?  Or any other such supplier?

If so - what quality was it?

Thanks in advance for responses

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com  

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Jan 25 12:08:10 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:08:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rover V8 thread
Message-ID: <E1LRBHg-0008KO-Ls@zeta.look.ca>

Can anyone tell me what size and thread is on the Rover SD1 5-speed 
gear box shift lever where the knob goes?

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Jan 25 18:30:24 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:30:24 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW: Motorhead 101 - Extreme Prius
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEFGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

 Something for your  'winter'  'minds'<VBG>!!!
  Ed
  *****************************************************
   Subject: Motorhead 101 - Extreme Prius

  submitted by Geoff , Portland, OR ----- Great stuff!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/22/the-most-obnoxiously-tuned-toy
ota-prius-ever/


    I would RATHER have the MONEY<G>!!!

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 25 20:56:19 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:56:19 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] engine tranny question
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c97f6a$0c7efe80$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>

quick question - tomorrow we are going to pull the engine and swap trannies.

is there a torque setting or recommended method for bolting up a tranny?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 01:45:15 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:45:15 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Rover V8 thread
References: <E1LRBHg-0008KO-Ls@zeta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <2D024014BF14472898ED98043B216B20@Three>

On the end inside the cabin.

(sorry Barrie, couldn't resist)

  ----- Original Message -----


  Can anyone tell me ... on the Rover SD1 5-speed
  gear box shift lever where the knob goes?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 01:52:15 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:52:15 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Name change
References: <78893.79249.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FC2BD67AB3C4339A1D42D0C52CB5E58@Three>

But that's the point, 'Ford Motor Company' doesn't warrant an 's' and neither
would 'MG Motor Company'.  How it is commonly referred to is a different
issue.
  ----- Original Message -----

  Ford doesn't employ an "s" either.  It's the
  Ford Motor Company, frequently referred to
  in the business press as simply Ford Motor.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 01:51:07 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:51:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] engine tranny question
References: <bcf.29418bc2.35796849@aol.com>
	<000d01c97f6a$0c7efe80$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <37B6AEBACFFB4FFA9750573B325AACCE@Three>

If you mean the engine to gearbox bolts then just the 'standard' torque for
bolts of that size.  Specific torque figures are usually only quoted when it
is different to that, or very important that a certain figure is either
reached or not exceeded.  Just do them up till they are tight.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  quick question - tomorrow we are going to pull the engine and swap
trannies.

  is there a torque setting or recommended method for bolting up a tranny?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 01:58:55 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:58:55 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Name change
References: <E5982DFB7E8440D9ABC771104FA11E7F@Three>
	<E1LR92A-0004uT-6Q@alpha.look.ca> <497CAA97.4040301@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <F9EA150F380E4E75AE290676CC619F40@Three>

Producing 'MG Roewe' saloons in China, shipped 500 TF kits to Longbridge for
final assembly.
http://www.huliq.com/3169/72068/saic-develop-class-models-roewe-mg
  ----- Original Message -----
  In all seriousness, though, have they done anything since buying the
  name?

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Mon Jan 26 02:31:20 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:31:20 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Name change
In-Reply-To: <F9EA150F380E4E75AE290676CC619F40@Three>
References: <E5982DFB7E8440D9ABC771104FA11E7F@Three>
	<E1LR92A-0004uT-6Q@alpha.look.ca> <497CAA97.4040301@verizon.net>
	<F9EA150F380E4E75AE290676CC619F40@Three>
Message-ID: <815C3222-8FC1-4CD2-801B-CBD34D62B44C@ghs.com.au>

Can tell you from personal experience (I spend a lot of time there)  
that there are lots of MG Roewe on the road in China.  From the ZT to  
the ZR even an all wheel drive version called the MG3.  So there is  
plenty happening.  Its just that the TF is not a priority although it  
is being marketed and orders taken for it.  BTW my experience is not  
limited to Beijing and Shanghai.  I travel frequently to central and  
north west China and the MGs are all there too.

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Aus
On 26/01/2009, at 6:58 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Producing 'MG Roewe' saloons in China, shipped 500 TF kits to  
> Longbridge for
> final assembly.
> http://www.huliq.com/3169/72068/saic-develop-class-models-roewe-mg
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  In all seriousness, though, have they done anything since buying the
>  name?
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From kgrowler at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 18:50:55 2009
From: kgrowler at aol.com (kgrowler at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
Message-ID: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>

I received an e-mail tonight that Tom Raddatz is selling his RV8, This is still, so far as I am aware, the only actual RV8 is the U.S. The car is located in Chicago. I would be happy to forward any inquiries to Tom. Firm price of $25,000. I have seen and driven the car. I wish I had a spare 25K laying around.



Kim Tonry

Downers Grove, Illinois

U.S.A.

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Mon Jan 26 23:05:50 2009
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:05:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <497EA43E.8040200@wi.net>

Found another one!  
http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Rare-ScottMillersRV8.htm
Dave W
Burlington WI


kgrowler at aol.com wrote:
> I received an e-mail tonight that Tom Raddatz is selling his RV8, This is still, so far as I am aware, the only actual RV8 is the U.S. The car is located in Chicago. I would be happy to forward any inquiries to Tom. Firm price of $25,000. I have seen and driven the car. I wish I had a spare 25K laying around.
>
>
>
> Kim Tonry
>
> Downers Grove, Illinois
>
> U.S.A.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 05:18:21 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:18:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Love those cars, very cool update to the B. Is it LHD?

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: "kgrowler at aol.com" <kgrowler at aol.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net; spridgets at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:50:55 PM
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.

I received an e-mail tonight that Tom Raddatz is selling his RV8, This is still, so far as I am aware, the only actual RV8 is the U.S. The car is located in Chicago. I would be happy to forward any inquiries to Tom. Firm price of $25,000. I have seen and driven the car. I wish I had a spare 25K laying around.



Kim Tonry

Downers Grove, Illinois

U.S.A.
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From kgrowler at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 05:36:34 2009
From: kgrowler at aol.com (kgrowler at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>

It's right-hand drive. It was originally a Japanese market car which ended up in the Cayman Islands where Tom bought it after it was damaged in Hurricane Ivan. He then did a very thorough restoration on the car completing it in Fall 2007.


Kim Tonry

Downers Grove, Illinois

U.S.A.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Jan 27 05:43:22 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:13:22 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <497F016A.9090907@erickson.on.net>

kgrowler at aol.com wrote:
> It's right-hand drive. It was originally a Japanese market car which ended up in the Cayman Islands where Tom bought it after it was damaged in Hurricane Ivan. He then did a very thorough restoration on the car completing it in Fall 2007.
> 


My mechanic has another one for sale at his shop.  He always seems to 
have one there every few months.

At the price yours is advertised at with the dollar the way it is,  it 
might almost be worth it to by from here for about $35000 Aussie dollars 
and ship it over - if you could get it licensed there.

If you have the need/want and dollars for it.

Hell, my boss has bought himself a Tesla (being built right now and 
available in March), so some people spend money on their hobby!  Yes, it 
should be the first one into Australia, I think... and then starts the 
fight to have it road-registered here (sort of like an RV8 in America)!


Eric

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jan 27 06:18:07 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:18:07 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1BBCAC4784148848653C4C9FFC7448F@Three>

It would be a conversion if it was, they were only ever made RHD for the UK
and Japan.  Interestingly a lot of the Japanese ones have now found their way
back to the UK, the cost of meeting the tests when the cars are just three
years old is equivalent to about #1000/$1400 and every other year after that,
plus parts.  Incidentally the test is known as the 'Shaken', which probably
accurately describes how the owner feels after getting the bill.

You can (or could) get RV8 body kits to convert MGBs.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Love those cars, very cool update to the B. Is it LHD?

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 06:27:51 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:27:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>
	<497F016A.9090907@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <646549.24578.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A Tesla? Cool.... I'm sure he'll let you drive it when it comes, right? Would be interested in your comments on it (OT, of course)....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:43:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.

kgrowler at aol.com wrote:
> It's right-hand drive. It was originally a Japanese market car which ended up in the Cayman Islands where Tom bought it after it was damaged in Hurricane Ivan. He then did a very thorough restoration on the car completing it in Fall 2007.
> 


My mechanic has another one for sale at his shop.  He always seems to have one there every few months.

At the price yours is advertised at with the dollar the way it is,  it might almost be worth it to by from here for about $35000 Aussie dollars and ship it over - if you could get it licensed there.

If you have the need/want and dollars for it.

Hell, my boss has bought himself a Tesla (being built right now and available in March), so some people spend money on their hobby!  Yes, it should be the first one into Australia, I think... and then starts the fight to have it road-registered here (sort of like an RV8 in America)!


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From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Jan 27 07:12:02 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:42:02 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <646549.24578.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>
	<497F016A.9090907@erickson.on.net>
	<646549.24578.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497F1632.3030306@erickson.on.net>

Dan DiBiase wrote:
> A Tesla? Cool.... I'm sure he'll let you drive it when it comes, right? 
> Would be interested in your comments on it (OT, of course)....
>  

Well the chances are the only place it will be allowed to be driven for 
a while is the racetrack so you never know (but would you let me drive 
your brand new $130,000 car around a racetrack???)   :-)

He is thinking of driving it around for a while in America to make sure 
it is OK before shipping it out.  The warranty might be a problem in 
Australia and like his Stemme motorglider he might have to ship it back 
to the country of origin for any major repairs (although like the Lambo, 
they said they could probably fly mechanics out with spare parts).

What a hassle... I keep trying to convince him to get an MGB!


Eric

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 08:57:07 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:57:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <497F1632.3030306@erickson.on.net>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<490518.59851.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8CB4E9305C5277C-F60-2668@Webmail-mg14.sim.aol.com>
	<497F016A.9090907@erickson.on.net>
	<646549.24578.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<497F1632.3030306@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <B0879966-F4B6-4604-B985-C5CE284BF6E3@gmail.com>

On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> Dan DiBiase wrote:
>> A Tesla? Cool.... I'm sure he'll let you drive it when it comes,  
>> right? Would be interested in your comments on it (OT, of course)....
>>
>
> Well the chances are the only place it will be allowed to be driven  
> for a while is the racetrack so you never know (but would you let me  
> drive your brand new $130,000 car around a racetrack???)   :-)
>

That's not a fair question, Eric. You've shown us your videos. :-)



> He is thinking of driving it around for a while in America to make  
> sure it is OK before shipping it out.  The warranty might be a  
> problem in Australia and like his Stemme motorglider he might have  
> to ship it back to the country of origin for any major repairs  
> (although like the Lambo, they said they could probably fly  
> mechanics out with spare parts).
>
> What a hassle... I keep trying to convince him to get an MGB!

He seems to have plenty of money. A startup like Tesla is probably not  
going to have the resources to ship mechanics around the world like  
Lamborgini.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 27 11:02:19 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:02:19 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <497F016A.9090907@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <C5A48C2B.1DC9B%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

What would be the problem registering the Tesla? It's not like it wouldn't
meet emissions standards! And I assume US crash safety requirements are at
least as rigorous as Australia's.

on 1/27/09 4:43 AM, Eric Erickson at eric at erickson.on.net wrote:

> 
> Hell, my boss has bought himself a Tesla (being built right now and
> available in March), so some people spend money on their hobby!  Yes, it
> should be the first one into Australia, I think... and then starts the
> fight to have it road-registered here (sort of like an RV8 in America)!
> 
> 
> Eric


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 27 11:05:59 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:05:59 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <497F1632.3030306@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <C5A48D07.1DC9D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

How hard can it be to work on an electric car yourself? I'm sure there are a
lot of proprietary computer controls, but once they have been on the market
for a while, all of that will available on the internet, no doubt.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires and no cylinder head


on 1/27/09 6:12 AM, Eric Erickson at eric at erickson.on.net wrote:

> Dan DiBiase wrote:
>> A Tesla? Cool.... I'm sure he'll let you drive it when it comes, right?
>> Would be interested in your comments on it (OT, of course)....
>>  
> 
> Well the chances are the only place it will be allowed to be driven for
> a while is the racetrack so you never know (but would you let me drive
> your brand new $130,000 car around a racetrack???)   :-)
> 
> He is thinking of driving it around for a while in America to make sure
> it is OK before shipping it out.  The warranty might be a problem in
> Australia and like his Stemme motorglider he might have to ship it back
> to the country of origin for any major repairs (although like the Lambo,
> they said they could probably fly mechanics out with spare parts).
> 
> What a hassle... I keep trying to convince him to get an MGB!
> 
> 
> Eric

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 11:14:40 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:14:40 EST
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
Message-ID: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>

I understand it can be a shocking experience....
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 27 11:21:12 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:21:12 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2AF214BC2B4847918F4C759CBF9226F5@Larry>

Try to avoid deep puddles.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
To: <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.


I understand it can be a shocking experience....
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 27 11:27:51 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:27:51 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C5A49227.1DCB0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yes, obviously there is the potential for that.

But people put together electric cars in their garages -- it's a pretty
common DIY project around here.

I suppose this fellow is concerned about his warranty.



on 1/27/09 10:14 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> I understand it can be a shocking experience....
>  
> Bill
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?
> 

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 13:54:34 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:54:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
Message-ID: <684004.20678.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

All right, all right, let's not start with a battery of OT jokes here. Let's try and stick to current topics about MGs instead of alternating back
and forth. I know we all need an outlet for these types of things, but let's not regenerate all of the OT posts of the past.....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: "WSpohn4 at aol.com" <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
To: max_heim at sbcglobal.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:14:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.

I understand it can be a shocking experience....

Bill


In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Jan 27 14:05:56 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:56 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <684004.20678.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
	<684004.20678.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497F7734.1050909@erickson.on.net>

Dan DiBiase wrote:
> All right, all right, let's not start with a battery of OT jokes here. Let's try and stick to current topics about MGs instead of alternating back
> and forth. I know we all need an outlet for these types of things, but let's not regenerate all of the OT posts of the past.....
> 


Yeah, what bright spark took it OT in the first place!

Oh, that might be me.

Anyway, speaking RV8... I will crawl all over the one at my friend's 
place this weekend post post some photos for you all to see.  They are a 
lovely and comfortable cruising car, but with some quirks (like I find 
the had some issues jamming in those big, plush leather seats so that I 
felt "offset" to the steering wheel when sitting in the driver's seat).


Eric

From jello at cableone.net  Tue Jan 27 14:52:41 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:52:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
Message-ID: <1032.1233093161@cableone.net>

   There you go regulating the list.
   On Tue Jan 27 12:54 , Dan DiBiase sent:
   
     All  right,  all  right, let's not start with a battery of OT jokes
     here.  Let's  try  and stick to current topics about MGs instead of
     alternating back
     and  forth. I know we all need an outlet for these types of things,
     but let's not regenerate all of the OT posts of the past.....
     Dan D
     Central NJ USA
     '76 MGB Tourer
     '65 MGB Tourer (Project)
     NAMGBR #5-2328
     http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
     http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
     http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
     http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html 
     http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/
     ________________________________
     From: "WSpohn4 at aol.com " <WSpohn4 at aol.com >
     To: max_heim @sbcglobal.net; mgs at autox.te am.net
     Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:14:40 PM
     Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
     I understand it can be a shocking experience....
     Bill
     In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
     max_heim @sbcglobal.net writes:
     How hard can it be to work on an electric car yourself?
     You are subscribed as d_dibiase at y ahoo.com
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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Tue Jan 27 16:39:34 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <497EA43E.8040200@wi.net>
References: <8CB4E38D3B851B3-75C-868@WEBMAIL-MY08.sysops.aol.com>
	<497EA43E.8040200@wi.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c980d8$8284ead0$878ec070$@net>

Saw this one and talked to him in Gatlinburg at MG 2006, national meet.
Nice care for sure.

Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David Woerpel
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:06 AM
Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.

Found another one!  
http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Rare-ScottMillersRV8.htm
Dave W
Burlington WI


kgrowler at aol.com wrote:
> I received an e-mail tonight that Tom Raddatz is selling his RV8, This is
still, so far as I am aware, the only actual RV8 is the U.S. The car is
located in Chicago. I would be happy to forward any inquiries to Tom. Firm
price of $25,000. I have seen and driven the car. I wish I had a spare 25K
laying around.
>
>
>
> Kim Tonry
>
> Downers Grove, Illinois

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 27 20:32:55 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <684004.20678.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
	<684004.20678.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497FD1E7.80707@bradakis.com>

Dan DiBiase wrote:
> All right, all right, let's not start with a battery of OT jokes here. 
Really.  While it's nice to see folks getting amped up about a topic,
I'd hate to see this group polarized with negative energy.  Stay grounded.

mjb.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Jan 28 01:50:03 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:50:03 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <C5A48D07.1DC9D%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5C9AA434113341E0A280EDF65F8BFC5F@Three>

Ask yourself the same question about today's internal combustion engine
electronic controls.  Highly complex, beyond the ken of any garage short of
swapping black boxes, which in most cases are probably only available from
main dealers or scrapyards.  There's a lot more to it than a battery, motor,
and a big variable resistor ... ;o)
  ----- Original Message -----


  How hard can it be to work on an electric car yourself? I'm sure there are
a
  lot of proprietary computer controls, but once they have been on the market
  for a while, all of that will available on the internet, no doubt.

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Jan 28 09:00:59 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>

I wouldn't mind giving it an ohm.


At 01:14 PM 1/27/2009, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>I understand it can be a shocking experience....
>
>Bill
>
>
>In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?
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Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 10:00:23 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:00:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com> <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <152896.69783.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here is an article on the car for sale. Seems quite the labor of love. I wonder if Tom had his money invested with Bernie Madoff?

http://www.v8register.net/FilesV8/Raddatz%20RV8%20rebuild%2010.3.08.pdf

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
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________________________________

From wbmcleod at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:05:06 2009
From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors
Message-ID: <BFEED518-341A-42C9-A90B-DE03EA05825E@gmail.com>

Would someone remind me of the name / contact point for our guru at  
Moss Motors?
I have a friend who would like to contact him about selling things to  
Moss.
Thanks, Bill
Slightly Classics
Tucson

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 11:42:57 2009
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:42:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors
In-Reply-To: <BFEED518-341A-42C9-A90B-DE03EA05825E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545281.13857.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Kelvin Dodd is the first person I reach out to. He just gace me some legendary customer service just this week. He is def a brother car nut. He works so he can keep car parts coming to his house.

doddk at mossmotors.com

Carl

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, William McLeod <wbmcleod at gmail.com> wrote:
From: William McLeod <wbmcleod at gmail.com>
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors
To: "Spridgets List" <Spridgets at autox.team.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, mgs at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:05 PM

Would someone remind me of the name / contact point for our guru at  
Moss Motors?
I have a friend who would like to contact him about selling things to  
Moss.
Thanks, Bill
Slightly Classics
Tucson
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From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 28 14:44:23 2009
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <20090128214423.O8DC6.50923.root@cdptpa-web11-z02>

anyne getting a charge out of this?
---- Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote: 
> I wouldn't mind giving it an ohm.
> 
> 
> At 01:14 PM 1/27/2009, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
> >I understand it can be a shocking experience....
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/27/2009 10:10:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> >
> >How hard  can it be to work on an electric car  yourself?
> >_______________________________________________
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> 
> Regards
> Barrie
> 
> Barrie Robinson
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 14:59:08 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:59:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors
References: <BFEED518-341A-42C9-A90B-DE03EA05825E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <989878.52750.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bill, Kelvin Dodd used to hang around here, but I haven't seen him post in quite a while.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
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________________________________
From: William McLeod <wbmcleod at gmail.com>
To: Spridgets List <Spridgets at autox.team.net>; Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:05:06 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Motors

Would someone remind me of the name / contact point for our guru at  
Moss Motors?
I have a friend who would like to contact him about selling things to  
Moss.
Thanks, Bill
Slightly Classics
Tucson
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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Wed Jan 28 15:09:02 2009
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:09:02 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Off topic - lister near Peoria Ill
Message-ID: <B740E43AA72048EC8497DAB278B87817@uw471de61b465c>

Dear list,

An US friend near Peoria Ill is in need for advise.
Would a lister nearby be so friendly to send me an email please?
TIA.


Cheers,

Hans

BGT 71 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 28 16:28:48 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:28:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
References: <B740E43AA72048EC8497DAB278B87817@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <000a01c981a0$49add7d0$89090a0a@ranteer.local>

so this morning its icy as heck in Dallas.  no one in their right mind is on 
the road.  so of course i am.  and this little red chrome bumper mgb 
roadster tootles by.  i love it!!!!!

anyone on this list???? 

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 17:41:40 2009
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:41:40 EST
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Contact Sheet
Message-ID: <c85.43be01d1.36b25544@aol.com>

Hi,
Moss Motors is currently in the process (or was last I heard) of shifting  
much of it's operation to their East Coast facilities. Until then  try: 
If you want to send us a note you can reach us at:
Moss Motors c/o British Motoring
440 Rutherford
Goleta, CA  93117
805-681-3400
Or: _editor at mossmotors.com_ (mailto:editor at mossmotors.com) 
Kelvin can be  reached at: _doddk at mossmotors.com_ 
(mailto:doddk at mossmotors.com)  phone number:  1-(800) 228-4574 ext. 3023
Cheers...
Albert Escalante   Central Coast British Car Club Left  Coast-USA
(I have his home address and phone number...but that's a different  situation)
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
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From jello at cableone.net  Wed Jan 28 18:46:41 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <000a01c981a0$49add7d0$89090a0a@ranteer.local>
References: <B740E43AA72048EC8497DAB278B87817@uw471de61b465c>
	<000a01c981a0$49add7d0$89090a0a@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <49810A81.5030106@cableone.net>

I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and snowy winter.  As a 
matter of fact, yesterday, we had a record low of 29 below zero 
(farenheit).  My winter driver's engine crapped out earlier this winter, 
and I'm driving my MGB for the winter.  I'll admit that at 0 or less, 
the heater could use a little help, but it starts at 0, and gets me 
where I'm going.  When we had 5 inches, the B's razor like tires cut 
right through it, and got to work (although I had to drop the speed from 
75 on a dry day to 45 for safety reasons).  I was on vacation the two 
biggest snows this year, and there hasn't been a snow so big since then 
that I couldn't get through.

Phil Bates
'67 MGB
'58 MGA
misc others

oliver wrote:
> so this morning its icy as heck in Dallas.  no one in their right mind 
> is on the road.  so of course i am.  and this little red chrome bumper 
> mgb roadster tootles by.  i love it!!!!!
>
> anyone on this list???? _______________________________________________
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Jan 29 01:59:35 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:29:35 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <000a01c981a0$49add7d0$89090a0a@ranteer.local>
References: <B740E43AA72048EC8497DAB278B87817@uw471de61b465c>
	<000a01c981a0$49add7d0$89090a0a@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <49816FF7.6030605@erickson.on.net>

oliver wrote:
> so this morning its icy as heck in Dallas.  no one in their right mind 
> is on the road.  so of course i am.  and this little red chrome bumper 
> mgb roadster tootles by.  i love it!!!!!
> 
> anyone on this list???? _______________________________________________


I have grown soft.  I can't even think of taking my little car out!

Our heatwave goes on (40+ degrees CELSIUS all week)

Right now in the cool of the evening  it is 7:14pm and 41.9 degrees C 
(107.6 degree Fahrenheit)

Too hot for the little 'B!!!

Yesterday we hit 45 degrees (113 degree Fahrenheit)... looks like summer 
is here!



Eric
Adelaide, South Australia

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 29 01:57:11 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:57:11 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com> <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>
Message-ID: <FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three>

Watts all this about?
  ----- Original Message -----


  I wouldn't mind giving it an ohm.


  >I understand it can be a shocking experience....

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 05:22:05 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:22:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Contact Sheet
References: <c85.43be01d1.36b25544@aol.com>
Message-ID: <697032.37669.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hmmm, I thought they were just relocating their Dover NJ operation to Virginia.... Are they really moving some
of their CA operation to Virginia? Hadn't heard that....

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
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http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: "Aeseeyou at aol.com" <Aeseeyou at aol.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:41:40 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Moss Contact Sheet

Hi,
Moss Motors is currently in the process (or was last I heard) of shifting  
much of it's operation to their East Coast facilities. Until then  try: 
If you want to send us a note you can reach us at:
Moss Motors c/o British Motoring
440 Rutherford
Goleta, CA  93117
805-681-3400
Or: _editor at mossmotors.com_ (mailto:editor at mossmotors.com) 
Kelvin can be  reached at: _doddk at mossmotors.com_ 
(mailto:doddk at mossmotors.com)  phone number:  1-(800) 228-4574 ext. 3023
Cheers...
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 05:56:53 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:56:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <49810A81.5030106@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P

Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:

> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and
> snowy winter.  As a matter of fact, yesterday, we had a
> record low of 29 below zero (farenheit).

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 29 06:18:05 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:18:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E5581B1A708E4AB7ADD1A2EB6FEFC5C9@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>; "Phil Bates" <jello at cableone.net>
Cc: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] mg sighting


Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P

==========================

I'm assuming that response would work equally well with Eric's post?

113 degrees was it, Eric?

From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu Jan 29 06:25:08 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:55:08 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>

Rick Lindsay wrote:
> Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P
> 
> Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:
> 
>> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and
>> snowy winter.  As a matter of fact, yesterday, we had a
>> record low of 29 below zero (farenheit).
> _______________________________________________


Well try this on for size.  Yesterday we broke a 70 year record high 
temperature 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.18 F) and today it was just a 
couple of degrees cooler.

Right now it is 11:40pm and the temperature is 34.1 degrees (93.38 
degrees Fahrenheit) and my aircon is barely working.

The double brick house is retaining heat after three days of massive 
temperatures and the forecast for the coming week is for nothing under 
100F and back up to 110 degrees by the end of next week (some suggest a 
potential "cool" change down to 96 degrees Farenheit over the weekend, 
but we aren't counting on that).

Can you imagine the temperature is all we are thinking about at the moment!

Global warming?  Climate change is stealing all of our water, too!

No... go drive your bloody cars in the bloody snow and enjoy!


:-)


Eric

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 07:09:35 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:09:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <A8656D80-C226-4665-8D1F-DCD9144027FF@gmail.com>

We're on the opposite end of the spectrum.

January was pretty brutal. Our average temperature was 7F (-13C).
Which is 5 degrees lower than normal.
Yesterday was a very warm 15F. Saturday, if the sun comes out, it  
might hit 32F (0C), which will be the only day in
January at or above freezing.

On Jan 29, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> Rick Lindsay wrote:
>> Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P
>> Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:
>>> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and
>>> snowy winter.  As a matter of fact, yesterday, we had a
>>> record low of 29 below zero (farenheit).
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Well try this on for size.  Yesterday we broke a 70 year record high  
> temperature 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.18 F) and today it was just a  
> couple of degrees cooler.
>
> Right now it is 11:40pm and the temperature is 34.1 degrees (93.38  
> degrees Fahrenheit) and my aircon is barely working.
>
> The double brick house is retaining heat after three days of massive  
> temperatures and the forecast for the coming week is for nothing  
> under 100F and back up to 110 degrees by the end of next week (some  
> suggest a potential "cool" change down to 96 degrees Farenheit over  
> the weekend, but we aren't counting on that).
>
> Can you imagine the temperature is all we are thinking about at the  
> moment!
>
> Global warming?  Climate change is stealing all of our water, too!
>
> No... go drive your bloody cars in the bloody snow and enjoy!
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> Eric
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Jan 29 06:52:26 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:52:26 -0000
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <50ACE9D2EE0D49F6BCDB048BCCA27845@Three>

Think yourself lucky you only have the heat to worry about.  I'm catching it
in the neck from my other half for just having booked a trip to Oz for this
time next year on the basis that it would be about 26 to 30!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  Yesterday we broke a 70 year record high
  temperature 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.18 F) and today it was just a
  couple of degrees cooler.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 07:09:35 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:09:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <A8656D80-C226-4665-8D1F-DCD9144027FF@gmail.com>

We're on the opposite end of the spectrum.

January was pretty brutal. Our average temperature was 7F (-13C).
Which is 5 degrees lower than normal.
Yesterday was a very warm 15F. Saturday, if the sun comes out, it  
might hit 32F (0C), which will be the only day in
January at or above freezing.

On Jan 29, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> Rick Lindsay wrote:
>> Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P
>> Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:
>>> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and
>>> snowy winter.  As a matter of fact, yesterday, we had a
>>> record low of 29 below zero (farenheit).
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Well try this on for size.  Yesterday we broke a 70 year record high  
> temperature 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.18 F) and today it was just a  
> couple of degrees cooler.
>
> Right now it is 11:40pm and the temperature is 34.1 degrees (93.38  
> degrees Fahrenheit) and my aircon is barely working.
>
> The double brick house is retaining heat after three days of massive  
> temperatures and the forecast for the coming week is for nothing  
> under 100F and back up to 110 degrees by the end of next week (some  
> suggest a potential "cool" change down to 96 degrees Farenheit over  
> the weekend, but we aren't counting on that).
>
> Can you imagine the temperature is all we are thinking about at the  
> moment!
>
> Global warming?  Climate change is stealing all of our water, too!
>
> No... go drive your bloody cars in the bloody snow and enjoy!
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> Eric
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 07:27:28 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:27:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
References: <956989.24124.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4981AE34.2060802@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <B0D78818-59B2-418E-BD19-0F1BE98EE72A@gmail.com>

We're on the opposite end of the spectrum.

January was pretty brutal. Our average temperature was 7F (-13C).
Which is 5 degrees lower than normal.
Yesterday was a very warm 15F. Saturday, if the sun comes out, it  
might hit 32F (0C), which will be the only day in
January at or above freezing.

On Jan 29, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Eric Erickson wrote:

> Rick Lindsay wrote:
>> Dang, I just hate global warming.  :-P
>> Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:
>>> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and
>>> snowy winter.  As a matter of fact, yesterday, we had a
>>> record low of 29 below zero (farenheit).
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Well try this on for size.  Yesterday we broke a 70 year record high  
> temperature 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.18 F) and today it was just a  
> couple of degrees cooler.
>
> Right now it is 11:40pm and the temperature is 34.1 degrees (93.38  
> degrees Fahrenheit) and my aircon is barely working.
>
> The double brick house is retaining heat after three days of massive  
> temperatures and the forecast for the coming week is for nothing  
> under 100F and back up to 110 degrees by the end of next week (some  
> suggest a potential "cool" change down to 96 degrees Farenheit over  
> the weekend, but we aren't counting on that).
>
> Can you imagine the temperature is all we are thinking about at the  
> moment!
>
> Global warming?  Climate change is stealing all of our water, too!
>
> No... go drive your bloody cars in the bloody snow and enjoy!
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> Eric
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From barrie at look.ca  Thu Jan 29 08:05:19 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com> <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>
	<FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three>
Message-ID: <E1LSYYj-0004ll-QS@alpha.look.ca>

I would be delighted if you bright sparks would refuse to answer the 
battery of silly puns


At 03:57 AM 1/29/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
>Watts all this about?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   I wouldn't mind giving it an ohm.
>
>
>   >I understand it can be a shocking experience....
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From melfrankus at carolina.rr.com  Thu Jan 29 11:34:17 2009
From: melfrankus at carolina.rr.com (melfrankus at carolina.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:34:17 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <49810A81.5030106@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <20090129183417.X7JF6.62270.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>

OK, thanks for the weather data.  Today it is in the 60's, blue skies and sunshine here in Charlotte.  (no bank jokes please, it hurts) Last week we had about an inch of snow and the schools were closed.    I am driivng my bgt to the beach next week.  I have assured my wife we are NOT moving to Idaho, Adelaide, or Dallas...mel
---- Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote: 
> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and snowy winter.  As a 
> matter of fact, yesterday, we had a record low of 29 below zero 
> (farenheit).  My winter driver's engine crapped out earlier this winter, 
> and I'm driving my MGB for the winter.  I'll admit that at 0 or less, 
> the heater could use a little help, but it starts at 0, and gets me 
> where I'm going.  When we had 5 inches, the B's razor like tires cut 
> right through it, and got to work (although I had to drop the speed from 
> 75 on a dry day to 45 for safety reasons).  I was on vacation the two 
> biggest snows this year, and there hasn't been a snow so big since then 
> that I couldn't get through.
> 
> Phil Bates
> '67 MGB
> '58 MGA
> misc others
> 
> oliver wrote:
> > so this morning its icy as heck in Dallas.  no one in their right mind 
> > is on the road.  so of course i am.  and this little red chrome bumper 
> > mgb roadster tootles by.  i love it!!!!!
> >
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From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Jan 29 10:35:29 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:35:29 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

Holy mackerel & OMG !?!?!?!?!?

_______________________________________________

To: spridgets at autox.team.net

Subject: [Spridgets] MGA-jag

MGA-jag

( picture only )

www.ojaivintagevehicles.com/Photographs/1959_mg.jpg

_______________________________________________

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Jan 29 10:41:18 2009
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:18 EST
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
Message-ID: <cb9.40678702.36b3443e@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/29/2009 9:35:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
shop at justbrits.com writes:

www.ojaivintagevehicles.com/Photographs/1959_mg.jpg
Ed...

I think it looks like an early Marcos, except its not a fastback.
Cheers.....
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**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
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From atweditor at aol.com  Thu Jan 29 10:51:55 2009
From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <8CB505168917BA4-1504-660@WEBMAIL-MY13.sysops.aol.com>

 Looking at that photo disturbed my middle ear and the world briefly spun before my eyes.

Jay Donoghue


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
To: Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; Mgs at Autox.Team.Net <mgs at autox.team.net>; Healeys at Autox.Team.Net <healeys at autox.team.net>; Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag










Holy mackerel & OMG !?!?!?!?!?

_______________________________________________

To: spridgets at autox.team.net

Subject: [Spridgets] MGA-jag

MGA-jag

( picture only )

www.ojaivintagevehicles.com/Photographs/1959_mg.jpg

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From lundgren at byu.net  Thu Jan 29 11:11:21 2009
From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew B. Lundgren)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
In-Reply-To: <8CB505168917BA4-1504-660@WEBMAIL-MY13.sysops.aol.com>
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<8CB505168917BA4-1504-660@WEBMAIL-MY13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <bd9309efd543ca1d2d8d10f7fe2f93c6@localhost>

I nearly lost my cookies.  :)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:51:55 -0500, atweditor at aol.com wrote:
> Looking at that photo disturbed my middle ear and the world briefly spun
> before my eyes.
> 
> Jay Donoghue
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
> To: Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>;
> Mgs at Autox.Team.Net <mgs at autox.team.net>; Healeys at Autox.Team.Net
> <healeys at autox.team.net>; Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
> Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Holy mackerel & OMG !?!?!?!?!?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> 
> Subject: [Spridgets] MGA-jag
> 
> MGA-jag
> 
> ( picture only )
> 
> www.ojaivintagevehicles.com/Photographs/1959_mg.jpg
> 
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From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 11:20:01 2009
From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: MGA-jag
In-Reply-To: <bd9309efd543ca1d2d8d10f7fe2f93c6@localhost>
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
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You have cookies?  share!

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren <lundgren at byu.net>wrote:

> I nearly lost my cookies.  :)
>
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:51:55 -0500, atweditor at aol.com wrote:
> > Looking at that photo disturbed my middle ear and the world briefly spun
> > before my eyes.
> >
> > Jay Donoghue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
> > To: Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>;
> > Mgs at Autox.Team.Net <mgs at autox.team.net>; Healeys at Autox.Team.Net
> > <healeys at autox.team.net>; Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com <bugeye at yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
> > Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holy mackerel & OMG !?!?!?!?!?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > To: spridgets at autox.team.net
> >
> > Subject: [Spridgets] MGA-jag
> >
> > MGA-jag
> >
> > ( picture only )
> >
> > www.ojaivintagevehicles.com/Photographs/1959_mg.jpg
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From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 11:22:17 2009
From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:22:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <E1LSYYj-0004ll-QS@alpha.look.ca>
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If you keep adding to the thread it will always be current.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> I would be delighted if you bright sparks would refuse to answer the
> battery of silly puns
>
>
> At 03:57 AM 1/29/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
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>> Watts all this about?
>>  ----- Original Message -----
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>>
>>  I wouldn't mind giving it an ohm.
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>>  >I understand it can be a shocking experience....
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 29 11:34:16 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:34:16 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
	<E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca><FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three><E1LSYYj-0004ll-QS@alpha.look.ca>
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Message-ID: <F83323E2F56E4EAC89C5DD047EB596FE@Larry>

OK, you guys will have to run out of ideas soon and we can end this 
re-volt-ing thread.

Of course, then you will just amp up some equally ridiculous blather.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <temporarilyoffline at gmail.com>
To: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.


If you keep adding to the thread it will always be current.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> I would be delighted if you bright sparks would refuse to answer the
> battery of silly puns
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>
> At 03:57 AM 1/29/2009, Paul Hunt wrote:
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 11:40:00 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:40:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEMGCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <212325.35503.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is wrong on SO many levels!  :-o

rick


--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> From: Ed's Shop <shop at justbrits.com>
> Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
> To: "Midgetsprite at Yahoogroups.Com" <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>, "Mgs at Autox.Team.Net" <mgs at autox.team.net>, "Healeys at Autox.Team.Net" <healeys at autox.team.net>, "Bugeye at Yahoogroups.Com" <bugeye at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 11:35 AM
> Holy mackerel & OMG !?!?!?!?!?
> 
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> To: spridgets at autox.team.net
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> Subject: [Spridgets] MGA-jag
> 
> MGA-jag
> 
> ( picture only )
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From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Jan 29 12:26:57 2009
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:26:57 EST
Subject: [Mgs] The day an MGA was admitted into the Concours Italiano
Message-ID: <d5d.309cdd71.36b35d01@aol.com>

Anybody remember a story that was in Road and Track (I believe that's where  
I read it) about the owners of an MGA that they put a piece of high density 
foam  on the front of his car and shaped it to appear somewhat like an  early 
Ferrari Barchetta.. Then drove it up to Pebble Beach and somehow  convinced the 
Credentials Dept to allow him to take part in the Concours  Italiano! 
Where the car was allowed to go along with all of the real Ferraris up  17 
mile drive to the site of that years Concours Italiano gathering where people  
remarked how wonderful it was that the owner had left the early "Ferrari  
racer" (or the MGA with it's sculptured foam front end) "intact" with  all it's 
dents, dings and damage suffered by the front end over its  "long and illustrious 
racing career" The owner of the MGA and his coworkers had  managed to spray 
the entire car with spay cans of bright Red enamel to  further the Ferrari 
ruse. Although they claimed that their initial  intention wasn't to make 
fraudulent claims that the car was a Ferrari but  to see how far into the Ferrari 
gathering they could get before being discovered  as a being nothing more than a 
very crude knock off and the patina and  provenance was as a result of a lack of 
having the proper tools  to shape to high density foam properly. Still they 
managed to pull off the  ruse.
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Jan 29 12:37:22 2009
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:37:22 EST
Subject: [Mgs] The day an MGA was admitted into the Concours  Italiano
Message-ID: <d18.3c0581f0.36b35f72@aol.com>

I took my MGA Jamaican to the local Italian car day and parked it. It has  no 
emblems on it at all except for the MG on the radio blanking plate and the  
engraved MG on the knock off spinners.  The colour is right for early  Ferrari 
and the styling fits right in.
 
It fooled quite a few people. It even fooled one guy AFTER I opened the  
bonnet and exposed the GM 3.4 V6. He wanted to know when MG (it has that  engraved 
on the upper plenum) used  a V6 Ferrari engine....
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2009 11:27:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Aeseeyou at aol.com writes:

Anybody  remember a story that was in Road and Track (I believe that's where  
 
I read it) about the owners of an MGA that they put a piece of high  density 
foam  on the front of his car and shaped it to appear  somewhat like an  
early 
Ferrari Barchetta.. Then drove it up to  Pebble Beach and somehow  convinced 
the 
Credentials Dept to allow him  to take part in the Concours  Italiano!  

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Jan 29 12:38:44 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:38:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  MGA-jag
In-Reply-To: <212325.35503.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJOENBCGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<That is wrong on SO many levels! >>

UNDERSTATEMENT, Rick.	UNDERSTATEMENT!!!!!

Ed

From dannyvarnado at cox.net  Thu Jan 29 16:33:24 2009
From: dannyvarnado at cox.net (dannyvarnado)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:33:24 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
References: <20090129183417.X7JF6.62270.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <21A28B9D286A49A9AC8DDEB711879046@dannytyferm096>

You guys sure make me glad to live in south Louisiana.
I drive my MGA to work and back every day.
Average winter lows 45, highs 70.
Of course it's not much fun in the summer at 90+ degrees and 90+ humidity!
Danny V.
'58 MGA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <melfrankus at carolina.rr.com>
To: "Phil Bates" <jello at cableone.net>; "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <mgs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] mg sighting


> OK, thanks for the weather data.  Today it is in the 60's, blue skies and 
> sunshine here in Charlotte.  (no bank jokes please, it hurts) Last week we 
> had about an inch of snow and the schools were closed.    I am driivng my 
> bgt to the beach next week.  I have assured my wife we are NOT moving to 
> Idaho, Adelaide, or Dallas...mel
> ---- Phil Bates <jello at cableone.net> wrote:
>> I live in Idaho Falls, Idaho.  It's been a cold and snowy winter.  As a
>> matter of fact, yesterday, we had a record low of 29 below zero
>> (farenheit).  My winter driver's engine crapped out earlier this winter,
>> and I'm driving my MGB for the winter.  I'll admit that at 0 or less,
>> the heater could use a little help, but it starts at 0, and gets me
>> where I'm going.  When we had 5 inches, the B's razor like tires cut
>> right through it, and got to work (although I had to drop the speed from
>> 75 on a dry day to 45 for safety reasons).  I was on vacation the two
>> biggest snows this year, and there hasn't been a snow so big since then
>> that I couldn't get through.
>>
>> Phil Bates
>> '67 MGB
>> '58 MGA
>> misc others
>>
>> oliver wrote:
>> > so this morning its icy as heck in Dallas.  no one in their right mind
>> > is on the road.  so of course i am.  and this little red chrome bumper
>> > mgb roadster tootles by.  i love it!!!!!
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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Thu Jan 29 16:50:26 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:50:26 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <F83323E2F56E4EAC89C5DD047EB596FE@Larry>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
	<E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca><FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three><E1LSYYj-0004ll-QS@alpha.look.ca>
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	<F83323E2F56E4EAC89C5DD047EB596FE@Larry>
Message-ID: <008701c9826c$5c4b3000$14e19000$@net>

I am shocked at the number of ideas so far, I don't think this thread will
be discharged very soon.


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Daniels
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:34 PM
To: Steve; Barrie Robinson
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.

OK, you guys will have to run out of ideas soon and we can end this 
re-volt-ing thread.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <temporarilyoffline at gmail.com>
To: "Barrie Robinson" <barrie at look.ca>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.


If you keep adding to the thread it will always be current.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrie at look.ca> wrote:

> I would be delighted if you bright sparks would refuse to answer the
> battery of silly puns

From lundgren at byu.net  Thu Jan 29 19:50:21 2009
From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew B. Lundgren)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:50:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] mg sighting
In-Reply-To: <21A28B9D286A49A9AC8DDEB711879046@dannytyferm096>
References: <20090129183417.X7JF6.62270.root@cdptpa-web01-z01>
	<21A28B9D286A49A9AC8DDEB711879046@dannytyferm096>
Message-ID: <114126664510d350a414873a5be6ca07@localhost>

That is in the shower right?  :)



On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:33:24 -0800, "dannyvarnado" <dannyvarnado at cox.net>
wrote:

> Of course it's not much fun in the summer at 90+ degrees and 90+
humidity!
> Danny V.
> '58 MGA

--
Andrew Lundgren
lundgren at byu.net

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 29 20:34:47 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:34:47 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] engine swap
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000201c9828b$b47e9770$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>

well folks, tonight two friends and i pulled the engine on the 73 b 
roadster, swapped trannies, and put it back in.  now, it was loose and all 
ready to go before we started, and will likely take me another week to 
connect everything.  it's only lightly bolted in now.

about 2 1/2 hours.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri Jan 30 01:51:01 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:21:01 +1030
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <008701c9826c$5c4b3000$14e19000$@net>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <16706840-256E-493B-8C26-23E80E2CAD36@erickson.on.net>

On 30/01/2009, at 10:20 AM, Chad Cooper wrote:

> I am shocked at the number of ideas so far, I don't think this  
> thread will
> be discharged very soon.
>


Don't panic - I think it is running flat now (I hope no-one is going  
to jump start it again).

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 05:17:16 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:17:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] engine swap
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000201c9828b$b47e9770$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <325679.80299.qm@web50905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good deal, Dave. Hooking everything back up is a challenge. Even with all of the photos I took, I had a couple of extra
wires that took me a while to figure out where they went!

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:34:47 PM
Subject: [Mgs] engine swap

well folks, tonight two friends and i pulled the engine on the 73 b roadster, swapped trannies, and put it back in.  now, it was loose and all ready to go before we started, and will likely take me another week to connect everything.  it's only lightly bolted in now.

about 2 1/2 hours.
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From 71mgbgt at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 08:08:06 2009
From: 71mgbgt at gmail.com (Henri Lefebvre)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] RV8 For Sale in U.S.A.
In-Reply-To: <16706840-256E-493B-8C26-23E80E2CAD36@erickson.on.net>
References: <c14.5680356c.36b0a910@aol.com> <E1LSCra-0004jZ-Tc@theta.look.ca>
	<FDE60B4289534EC5B143484002F151EE@Three>
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And it keeps going, and going, and going, and going........
and going...

Henri
1971 MGB GT, in winter storage, battery disconnected!

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Eric <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:
> On 30/01/2009, at 10:20 AM, Chad Cooper wrote:
>
>> I am shocked at the number of ideas so far, I don't think this thread will
>> be discharged very soon.
>>
>
>
> Don't panic - I think it is running flat now (I hope no-one is going to jump
> start it again).
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From ccrobins at ktc.com  Fri Jan 30 22:33:41 2009
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:33:41 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] engine swap
In-Reply-To: <000201c9828b$b47e9770$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000201c9828b$b47e9770$8115a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <4983E2B5.6050407@ktc.com>

   So? (BG)

oliver wrote:
> well folks, tonight two friends and i pulled the engine on the 73 b 
> roadster, swapped trannies, and put it back in.  now, it was loose and 
> all ready to go before we started, and will likely take me another week 
> to connect everything.  it's only lightly bolted in now.
> 
> about 2 1/2 hours.
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From barrie at look.ca  Sat Jan 31 13:45:52 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:45:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] British Car Cottage Industries web site
Message-ID: <E1LTMj7-0004Np-Ot@epsilon.look.ca>

You may remember that a while back I started a web site called the 
"British Car Cottage Industries" or BCCI for short.   I have 
diligently pursued its growth and now it seems to be getting, on 
average, 25 hits a day - not a lot but enough to be useful.   What I 
have difficulty in is understanding the lack of response for 
participants/listers.  I had the impression that there were dozens of 
people like myself who made something for our Brit cars but have such 
a low sales volume that advertising expenditure was not economically 
viable.  But I have to virtually plead to get people on the 
site.  Because of this low response I started the "Specialists 
List".  This is for those commercially viable (and thus excluded from 
the cottagers list) concerns that are specialists or make/provide 
something in-house.  I have found amazing people who have a thriving 
business in the run-of-the-mill products but make   items they never 
even mention.  So you can find this company that supplies all sorts 
of stuff but in the back they make distributor caps for lots of Brit 
vehicles and also have NOS ones.

The idea of the Specialists List is to show those organisations who 
do do special work.  How many times have you heard the plea "Do you 
know anybody who supplies/restores/ repairs X Y Z ".  Such 
information is gold to us enthusiasts.  For instance I needed my 
alternator and starter rebuilt for my 1955 Aston Martin, the local 
chap hummed and hawed and mumbled $750 each.  By messaging the List I 
got a reply from a lister to use someone in California - I did - and 
got both done back into original cores (so numbers match) for $240 
for BOTH !!!

I am not exactly sure why I am blasting this off but I think I just 
want to vent my spleen (no, it's not steam!).  If you know of anyone 
who fits the BCCI criteria please give them a buzz - NOT to me as I 
have enough to chase up.  If you have not looked at the BCCI web site 
then please do so www.britcot.com.


Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
http://www.britcot.com 

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 14:19:53 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:19:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] British Car Cottage Industries web site
In-Reply-To: <E1LTMj7-0004Np-Ot@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <616448.56546.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Funny, I had forgotten all about that site.  It's a great resource and I hope it continues to expand!  Thanks for bringing it up again!

rick - MG-less, for now


> You may remember that a while back I started a web site
> called the "British Car Cottage Industries" or
> BCCI for short.   I have diligently pursued its growth and
> now it seems to be getting, on average, 25 hits a day - not
> a lot but enough to be useful.   What I have difficulty in
> is understanding the lack of response for
> participants/listers.  I had the impression that there were
> dozens of people like myself who made something for our Brit
> cars but have such a low sales volume that advertising
> expenditure was not economically viable.  But I have to
> virtually plead to get people on the site.  Because of this
> low response I started the "Specialists List". 
> This is for those commercially viable (and thus excluded
> from the cottagers list) concerns that are specialists or
> make/provide something in-house.  I have found amazing
> people who have a thriving business in the run-of-the-mill
> products but make   items they never even mention.  So you
> can find this company that supplies all sorts of stuff but
> in the back they make distributor caps for lots of Brit
> vehicles and also have NOS ones.
> 
> The idea of the Specialists List is to show those
> organisations who do do special work.  How many times have
> you heard the plea "Do you know anybody who
> supplies/restores/ repairs X Y Z ".  Such information
> is gold to us enthusiasts.  For instance I needed my
> alternator and starter rebuilt for my 1955 Aston Martin, the
> local chap hummed and hawed and mumbled $750 each.  By
> messaging the List I got a reply from a lister to use
> someone in California - I did - and got both done back into
> original cores (so numbers match) for $240 for BOTH !!!
> 
> I am not exactly sure why I am blasting this off but I
> think I just want to vent my spleen (no, it's not
> steam!).  If you know of anyone who fits the BCCI criteria
> please give them a buzz - NOT to me as I have enough to
> chase up.  If you have not looked at the BCCI web site then
> please do so www.britcot.com.
> 
> 
> Regards
> Barrie
> 
> Barrie Robinson
> (705) 721-9060
> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
> http://www.britcot.com

From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 16:29:07 2009
From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:29:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB rear disc brakes
Message-ID: <12587.92622.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fellow Listers;

While browsing Ebay recently, I came across a company selling MGB rear disc brake kits.  The name of this company is Scarebird Classic Brakes (http://www.scarebird.com).  Does anyone have any experience with their kits?


Thanks....

Matt M.
'74 MGB-GT
Willow Grove, PA

From sammler at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan 31 16:32:51 2009
From: sammler at bellsouth.net (Pat Harris - "sammler")
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Very early tachometer for MGA
In-Reply-To: <E1LTMj7-0004Np-Ot@epsilon.look.ca>
References: <E1LTMj7-0004Np-Ot@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <4984DFA3.9030606@bellsouth.net>

I'm trying to determine the year a certain tach would have been 
installed and I know saw picture of the different versions which were 
installed at the factory but I can't relocate the URL.  Help would be 
gratefully appreciated.

The tach I want to id is significant in the following ways:
The face is dark and I'm guessing that it was originally a black color
0-60 only  - somewhat large light colored numerals ----  white?/gray?tan?
NO red line or "zones"
At the bottom, and widely spaced, are the letters   R  P  M   also a 
light color -- position of letters   almost    6:30-6:00-5:30
There are bits of leather/vinyl stuck under the bezel; if original I 
think that would indicate a Coupe ??

Thanks,
Pat

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 31 17:46:46 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] MGB rear disc brakes
In-Reply-To: <12587.92622.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5AA30F6.1DEC9%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Not directly. I have seen them referenced frequently as a source for disc
brake conversions for muscle cars. I believe they use standard GM calipers,
for easy part replacement.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 1/31/09 3:29 PM, Matthew Milkevitch at mmilkevitch at yahoo.com wrote:

> Fellow Listers;
> 
> While browsing Ebay recently, I came across a company selling MGB rear disc
> brake kits.  The name of this company is Scarebird Classic Brakes
> (http://www.scarebird.com).  Does anyone have any experience with their kits?
> 
> 
> Thanks....
> 
> Matt M.
> '74 MGB-GT
> Willow Grove, PA

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Jan 31 21:12:22 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:12:22 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] MGB rear disc brakes
In-Reply-To: <12587.92622.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEBPCHAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I came across a company selling MGB rear disc brake kits.>>

Matt, personally I would be VERY leery of aby Co. that only
gives an eMail addy and ZERO other info !!!

Minor things like telephone #(s) & better location info<F>!!

Ed