From wsthompson at thicko.com  Thu Apr  2 06:21:43 2009
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] anyone restoring a MKIII Sprite MKII Midget?
Message-ID: <002d01c9b395$f8d88c10$ea89a430$@com>

I am in the process of culling the herd.

 

I have a MKIII Sprite project that I've had for many years. Rocky. A
gorgeous new interior had been installed, but  a now defunct raccoon
destroyed it. 

 

All the body work was completed in metal, and the paint work (red) on it is
exceptional. 

 

It has a new wiring harness installed. The suspension is detailed, and the
chassis is a roller. There is no interior. The original 1098 engine is
available, but certainly needs a rebuild. 

 

I am not sure I can provide a title for this. 

 

If someone is restoring a MKII Midget/MKIII Sprite, rather than go through
all the effort and expense of metal, body and paint work, this might be an
attractive alternative for you. Or, if you'd like to go racing, this would
be a great start.

 

Pictures are available, probably by the weekend, as the car is currently in
the trailer.

 

The car is located in central Wisconsin.

 

$2500

 

(for another $200, you can also have a Sprite-worthy trailer with it.)

 

WST

From dannyvarnado at cox.net  Fri Apr  3 19:22:07 2009
From: dannyvarnado at cox.net (dannyvarnado)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:22:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Factory Hardtop
Message-ID: <5BAB501AF0A94450845C95200354F64D@dannytyferm096>

Can anyone tell me where I can find replacement top to body weatherstripping
for a
MGB Factory Hardtop?

Tks,

Danny V.

'58 MGA

'76 MGB

From PRNDL at sonic.net  Fri Apr  3 19:42:34 2009
From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:42:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Factory Hardtop
In-Reply-To: <5BAB501AF0A94450845C95200354F64D@dannytyferm096>
References: <5BAB501AF0A94450845C95200354F64D@dannytyferm096>
Message-ID: <EF885923-5BB4-437D-B8FD-DAB739790A2E@sonic.net>

On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, dannyvarnado wrote:
> ..parts for a MGB Factory Hardtop?

www.macgregorukcarparts.com

No one makes the front windscreen to top gasket in the correct foam.  
They're all made of the wrong material. But Macgregor has lots of  
other parts for the factory hard top and they are correct. They do  
carry the correct bottom seals and replacement aluminum channel if you  
need it.
--
Rod Williams
Petaluma, California
1967 MGB

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Apr  4 13:38:48 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:38:48 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEHLCPAA.shop@justbrits.com>

This is from my "Joke" List and I felt that since we
all
drive & love our 'toy' cars and Spridgeteer Bob
Gardener
'offered it up', I thought all of your would enjoy this
UN-REAL 'set of toys' !!

All I could think was Holy CR*P  !!    Enjoy.!!!!!

Ed
*********************************************
  Largest Model Railway in the World
 FANTASTIC (Bob's comment.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_oDdGmKyA&feature

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  4 15:01:34 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEHLCPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <001701c9b570$ecf28090$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

not to offend anyone, but i believe the car "pulled over by the police" is a 
Triumph.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>
To: "00 - MGs" <mgs at autox.team.net>; "00 - MG Ts" <mg-t at autox.team.net>; 
"00 - Midgetsprite at Yahoo" <midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com>; "00 -SPM at autoX" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>; "00 - Healeys at Autox" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World


> This is from my "Joke" List and I felt that since we
> all
> drive & love our 'toy' cars and Spridgeteer Bob
> Gardener
> 'offered it up', I thought all of your would enjoy this
> UN-REAL 'set of toys' !!
>
> All I could think was Holy CR*P  !!    Enjoy.!!!!!
>
> Ed
> *********************************************
>  Largest Model Railway in the World
> FANTASTIC (Bob's comment.)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_oDdGmKyA&feature

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Apr  4 16:10:43 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:10:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World
In-Reply-To: <001701c9b570$ecf28090$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJEEIFCPAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<not to offend anyone, but i believe the car 
"pulled over by the police" is a Triumph.>>

I agree, Oliver<G>!!

Sorry Mark<VBG>!!

And for those of you that don't know, the
OWNER of the autox.team.net Lists IS
the above named Gentleman (not Oliver<G>)!!

Ed

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 16:49:41 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World
In-Reply-To: <001701c9b570$ecf28090$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEHLCPAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<001701c9b570$ecf28090$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <49D7F215.9010903@gmail.com>

oliver wrote:
> not to offend anyone, but i believe the car "pulled over by the 
> police" is a Triumph. 
Pretty sure you're right. Small city reminds me of Madurodam in The Netherlands. I enjoyed a day there some years ago.

-The Roxter
--

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Apr  4 18:26:07 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:26:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] FW: [9issa] Largest Model Railway in the World
In-Reply-To: <49D7F215.9010903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEIICPAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Small city reminds me of Madurodam in The Netherlands.>>

With 'everywhere' the trains go Rocky, might be<G>!!

Go back & re-watch and see if you can pick something
out that looks familiar<G>!!

After all they cross "The Pond" in one building<VBG>!!!

Ed

From twobees at sprynet.com  Sat Apr  4 18:02:08 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Factory Hardtop Seals
Message-ID: <000901c9b58a$25408730$6401a8c0@normoffice>

Danny:
 
When I had a B, I used the standard soft top front seal on both ends of the
h.t..  I never found anything quite right for the sides though.
 
Norm

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Sat Apr  4 18:24:42 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Factory Hardtop
In-Reply-To: <5BAB501AF0A94450845C95200354F64D@dannytyferm096>
References: <5BAB501AF0A94450845C95200354F64D@dannytyferm096>
Message-ID: <000e01c9b58d$4c6df2e0$e549d8a0$@net>

I found a very close substitute at Home Depot it was in the weather
stripping area near the garage door bottom seals.  I glued it to the top and
it seals well.  Much cheaper and more readily available. 

Thought I would pass that on to you.

Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of dannyvarnado
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:22 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Factory Hardtop

Can anyone tell me where I can find replacement top to body weatherstripping
for a
MGB Factory Hardtop?

Tks,

Danny V.

'58 MGA

'76 MGB 

From nsippel at mindspring.com  Mon Apr  6 08:19:05 2009
From: nsippel at mindspring.com (Norm)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:19:05 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Pair of MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8 For Sale on
 Spridget Digest
Message-ID: <001601c9b6c2$a4a69120$6401a8c0@normoffice>

I saw this on the Spridget Digest a couple of days ago.  Thought I'd pass it
on here.  I don't know anything about these cars or people.  Just an FYI.

Norm Sippel



From: James Gruber <thistle_3619 at yahoo.com

Subject: [Spridgets] Pair if MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8

for one of them - Cheap

To: Spridgets Digest <spridgets at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <3104.34346.qm at web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I know some of you are into MGB's as well. I was out driving Bugsy my '68
Sprite today and ran into a guy at the Post Office who told me he has 2
MGB's, one chrome bumper, one rubber bumper, along with lots of spares and a
215 c.i.V-8. He needs to get rid of them in very short order as his house is
being foreclosed upon in the next few weeks. I have not idea what he wants
for these cars and they ran when last driven 5 years ago. He described
bodies as in fairly good shape with typical rust bubbles on the rockers.

Cars are located North of Dayton, No NFI just trying to pass the word. I
imagine these cars will go for a song. Contact me and I'll be happy to put
you in touch with the guy. 937-426-8939 or e-mail thistle_3619yahoo.com.

So far no one is interested. Hate to see these go to the crusher. Both of
these are restorable and one can even be a hot-rod MGB.

From twobees at sprynet.com  Mon Apr  6 08:23:46 2009
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:23:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Pair of MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8 For Sale on
 Spridget Digest
Message-ID: <002601c9b6c3$4ca48c60$6401a8c0@normoffice>

I saw this on the Spridget Digest a couple of days ago.  Thought I'd pass it
on here.  I don't know anything about these cars or people.  Just an FYI.

Norm Sippel



From: James Gruber <thistle_3619 at yahoo.com

Subject: [Spridgets] Pair if MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8

for one of them - Cheap

To: Spridgets Digest <spridgets at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <3104.34346.qm at web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I know some of you are into MGB's as well. I was out driving Bugsy my '68
Sprite today and ran into a guy at the Post Office who told me he has 2
MGB's, one chrome bumper, one rubber bumper, along with lots of spares and a
215 c.i.V-8. He needs to get rid of them in very short order as his house is
being foreclosed upon in the next few weeks. I have not idea what he wants
for these cars and they ran when last driven 5 years ago. He described
bodies as in fairly good shape with typical rust bubbles on the rockers.

Cars are located North of Dayton, No NFI just trying to pass the word. I
imagine these cars will go for a song. Contact me and I'll be happy to put
you in touch with the guy. 937-426-8939 or e-mail thistle_3619yahoo.com.

So far no one is interested. Hate to see these go to the crusher. Both of
these are restorable and one can even be a hot-rod MGB

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr  6 08:41:07 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Pair of MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8 For Sale
 on Spridget Digest
References: <002601c9b6c3$4ca48c60$6401a8c0@normoffice>
Message-ID: <2C8FC3022FA94EB794ADA73FEE46BC2B@Larry>

The 215 V-8 is sold.

Larry Daniels

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norm 2Bs" <twobees at sprynet.com>
To: "MG Digest" <mgs at autox.team.net>; <MGVR at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Pair of MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8 For Sale on 
Spridget Digest


I saw this on the Spridget Digest a couple of days ago.  Thought I'd pass it
on here.  I don't know anything about these cars or people.  Just an FYI.

Norm Sippel



From: James Gruber <thistle_3619 at yahoo.com

Subject: [Spridgets] Pair if MGB's + a 215 Aluminum Block Buick V-8

for one of them - Cheap

To: Spridgets Digest <spridgets at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <3104.34346.qm at web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I know some of you are into MGB's as well. I was out driving Bugsy my '68
Sprite today and ran into a guy at the Post Office who told me he has 2
MGB's, one chrome bumper, one rubber bumper, along with lots of spares and a
215 c.i.V-8. He needs to get rid of them in very short order as his house is
being foreclosed upon in the next few weeks. I have not idea what he wants
for these cars and they ran when last driven 5 years ago. He described
bodies as in fairly good shape with typical rust bubbles on the rockers.

Cars are located North of Dayton, No NFI just trying to pass the word. I
imagine these cars will go for a song. Contact me and I'll be happy to put
you in touch with the guy. 937-426-8939 or e-mail thistle_3619yahoo.com.

So far no one is interested. Hate to see these go to the crusher. Both of
these are restorable and one can even be a hot-rod MGB
_______________________________________________

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Mon Apr  6 09:44:21 2009
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Fwd: May 15-17 Weekend]
Message-ID: <49DA2355.10200@wi.net>

Thought I pass this along.  It's a great time!  If this doesn't come 
through email me and I'll send you the pdf.
Dave
59 :{)
59 MGA 1500
Burlington WI

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	May 15-17 Weekend
Date: 	Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:30:19 -0400
From: 	sdbalsamo at aol.com
To: 	pebert1 at wi.rr.com



Dear Windy City MOG Members:

Notwithstanding the current weather conditions, we are only a day away 
from the start of baseball season and mere weeks before the Morgan 
driving season begins.  I would like to solicit your help in getting the 
word out to other (non- Morgan) sports car owners that they are welcome 
to enter our Autocross at Road America on May 16th as well as 
participate in other activities we have planned for the SVRA Spring 
Vintage Weekend at Elkhart Lake, WI.  Attached is a pdf file that you 
can forward on to anyone you know who might be interested.  This in the 
same info and Autocross Entry Form which you received my snail mail last 
month.  We already have a nice contingent of Morgans (and some others) 
entered but have room for some more participants.  Many thanks.

Steve Balsamo, President
Windy City Morgan Owners Group






















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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  8 17:28:37 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR DAY - Sept. 13, 2009
Message-ID: <16132323.1239233317795.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

32nd year in the San Francisco Bay Area.....

    THE BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR DAY
    SUNDAY ONLY b" SEPTEMBER 13th, 2009

And now for something completely different.....

Join your British car friends, once again, for a smashing day at the Brisbane
Marina. Over 200 quirky, classic, and lovable British cars will once again
gather in the Bay Area for our 32st Annual British Car Meet.  We have been
doing this on the same weekend for over 30 years and just because the times,
they are a-changin,b webll be changinb with the times.

After careful consideration of the present economy, fading sponsorship, and
smaller attendance, combined with the decentralization of the hobby in general
and a number of new competing Northern California events, we have decided to
try something that is quite like the first British Car Meet in Palo Alto in
1978.   A one day FREE event .......... Thatbs right, FREE.

b" Sunday b" Parking Lot Show & Tell:

This will be a simple, no-fees, no-frills, no-awards gathering of British and
Arcane car enthusiasts.  We have made arrangements with the good folks at the
Sierra Point Yacht Club to set up in the parking lots around the club.  As
last year, The Yacht Club will be offering an optional Sunday brunch and
coffee.  It all starts Sunday morning at 8:30AM.

b" Sunday b" Bay To Breakers Tour To Cameronbs Pub:

These tours take you over some of the most beautiful roads in Northern
California.  There will be two optional routes; one direct yet still quite
scenic, and another with a backroad component.  We will be starting tour cars
from a staging area by the entrance.  Cars will leave in small groups between
about 8:30 and 10:00AM - The shorter route should take less than an hour and
the backroads route will take a bit more than an hour...  Cars should start
gathering at Cameron's at about 10:00AM, a combination of early tour drivers
and people who live near the coast.

Directions To The Brisbane Marina:

The Brisbane Marina is located on Sierra Point, just east of the Bayshore
Freeway (101) in Brisbane,  between San Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway
380. Just take the Brisbane/Sierra Point Exit and follow the signs to the
Marina.

Cameron's Pub is located at 1410 S. Cabrillo Hwy in Half Moon Bay. It is just
south of downtown on the west side of the coast highway.

Information: 310-392-6605  b" e-mail:  <britishcarnetwork at gmail.com>
Website: www.allcarcentral.com/thebritishcarnetwork.html

From lrc at red4est.com  Mon Apr 13 19:40:47 2009
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Baffled Oil Pans
Message-ID: <20090414014047.GE31313@red4est.com>

Are there sources for baffled oil pans for MGB motors?

I did a quick google search but didn't see any of the expected
listings.



-- 
The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post
the wrong answer.
Larry Colen             lrc at red4est.com            http://www.red4est.com/lrc

From jello at cableone.net  Mon Apr 13 21:30:17 2009
From: jello at cableone.net (jello at cableone.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:30:17 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Baffled Oil Pans
In-Reply-To: <20090414014047.GE31313@red4est.com>
References: <20090414014047.GE31313@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <49E40349.5080006@cableone.net>

I don't know that there are sources, but there are specific drawings in 
the back of The Complete Official MGB that would tell one what to make, 
and where to weld it into a stock oil pan.

Phil Bates
Larry Colen wrote:
> Are there sources for baffled oil pans for MGB motors?
>
> I did a quick google search but didn't see any of the expected
> listings.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:16:41 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:16:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News |
 News | Auto Express
Message-ID: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>

Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...

<http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts_brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:20:35 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:20:35 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rear view mirror
Message-ID: <57454176-E464-4352-8F24-A031326AC2E1@gmail.com>

Hi all,
	I've decided that this is the year to tackle the rear view mirror.

	The mirror is fine, and the external casing is fine. But it jiggles a  
little bit and, the lever to flip between regular and night view is  
broken/disconnected on the inside. These two things kind of sound  
related

	Is this fixable? How do I get the mirror out without breaking it?  
Last time I looked the case seems to be one piece.

	Oh, it's a 1977, north american of course.

Paul.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 14 09:57:36 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:57:36 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D4E4733BB134C5A80734D621BD0212C@Three>

Slinky if true ... wonder if it will get here before I have to change the
cambelts on my 180 ...

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...

  <http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts
_brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 12:13:25 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
In-Reply-To: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com>

Paul Root wrote:
> Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...
>
> <http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts_brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters
That's an MG????

I'm not convinced.

-The Roxter
--

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 13:22:31 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:22:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
In-Reply-To: <49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com>
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>
	<49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A039286A-E16A-45FA-B1FA-586BF836168E@gmail.com>

Well, it's got an Octogonal logo with an M and a G in it.

And the article (which could have been made up - remember the Triumph  
and Austin Healey articles from the magazine a year or two ago) at  
least references the company that owns the rights to the Octogonal  
logo with an M and G in it.



On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:13 PM, The Roxter wrote:

> Paul Root wrote:
>> Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...
>>
>> <http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts_brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters
> That's an MG????
>
> I'm not convinced.
>
> -The Roxter
> --
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 13:52:33 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
In-Reply-To: <A039286A-E16A-45FA-B1FA-586BF836168E@gmail.com>
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Paul Root wrote:
> Well, it's got an Octogonal logo with an M and a G in it.
>
> And the article (which could have been made up - remember the Triumph 
> and Austin Healey articles from the magazine a year or two ago) at 
> least references the company that owns the rights to the Octogonal 
> logo with an M and G in it. 
It's my opinion that an MG Midget with a Sprite logo is not a Sprite, An Austin Mini with a Morris logo is not a Morris and a Toyota with an MG logo is not an MG. My opinion, mind.

-The Roxter
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue Apr 14 13:55:04 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:55:04 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
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Suggest that you wait until you see it in the flesh and drive it  
before making such a call.  Remember that MGs have always had four  
seaters and saloons in their range from the earliest of times.  Indeed  
its fair to say that some of the finest early MGs made were these  
cars.  In the US MG means small two seater sports cars.  However this  
is not necessarily the case in the rest of the world.

Murray Arundell
Australia

On 15/04/2009, at 5:52 AM, The Roxter wrote:

> Paul Root wrote:
>> Well, it's got an Octogonal logo with an M and a G in it.
>>
>> And the article (which could have been made up - remember the  
>> Triumph and Austin Healey articles from the magazine a year or two  
>> ago) at least references the company that owns the rights to the  
>> Octogonal logo with an M and G in it.
> It's my opinion that an MG Midget with a Sprite logo is not a  
> Sprite, An Austin Mini with a Morris logo is not a Morris and a  
> Toyota with an MG logo is not an MG. My opinion, mind.
>
> -The Roxter
> --
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 14 14:39:40 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:39:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
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This has been a great week so far for the MG's list - nice to see Phil, Larry and Rocky checking in! Now if we just had Kelvin Dodd
pop in to say hello, my week would be complete - and it's only Tuesday! ;-)

And Rocky, I am very disappointed that JJ chose to neglect the East Coast this year! :-(

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:52:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express

Paul Root wrote:
> Well, it's got an Octogonal logo with an M and a G in it.
> 
> And the article (which could have been made up - remember the Triumph and Austin Healey articles from the magazine a year or two ago) at least references the company that owns the rights to the Octogonal logo with an M and G in it. 
It's my opinion that an MG Midget with a Sprite logo is not a Sprite, An Austin Mini with a Morris logo is not a Morris and a Toyota with an MG logo is not an MG. My opinion, mind.

-The Roxter
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 14 16:10:19 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:10:19 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
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Hmm...subtract the "artistic license" from that rendering and it isn't much
different looking than any current small coupe (Acura, Honda, Toyota,
whatever). In fact, it's remarkably generic. But I'll reserve judgment until
it actually appears.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 4/14/09 8:57 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Slinky if true ... wonder if it will get here before I have to change the
> cambelts on my 180 ...
> 
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>   Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...
> 
>   <http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts
> _brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 17:20:26 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
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The thing to remember here is that drawing is from Auto Express, not  
MG, nie SAIC.

Auto Express got wind of a possible new car from MG that would be a 4  
door coupe. And they drew it, maybe using styling cues of the MG7,  
maybe not.

Who knows if that will even be the name.


On Apr 14, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> Hmm...subtract the "artistic license" from that rendering and it  
> isn't much
> different looking than any current small coupe (Acura, Honda, Toyota,
> whatever). In fact, it's remarkably generic. But I'll reserve  
> judgment until
> it actually appears.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 4/14/09 8:57 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Slinky if true ... wonder if it will get here before I have to  
>> change the
>> cambelts on my 180 ...
>>
>> PaulH.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>  Not known for reliable reporting, but at least it's MG news...
>>
>>  <http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/235192/sizzling_mg6_puts
>> _brits_back_on_top.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 18:21:45 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:21:45 -0500
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Dan DiBiase wrote:
> This has been a great week so far for the MG's list - nice to see 
> Phil, Larry and Rocky checking in! Now if we just had Kelvin Dodd
> pop in to say hello, my week would be complete - and it's only 
> Tuesday! ;-)
>
> And Rocky, I am very disappointed that JJ chose to neglect the East 
> Coast this year! :-(
You might have noticed he also neglected me this year.   :)

He has Walt Richmond on piano now. Maybe he will use me and do the East Coast later.  Hope so.

-The Roxter
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From eric at erickson.on.net  Tue Apr 14 18:38:30 2009
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:08:30 +0930
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The Roxter wrote:
> You might have noticed he also neglected me this year.   :)
>
> He has Walt Richmond on piano now. Maybe he will use me and do the East Coast later.  Hope so.
>
>   

Good luck to you for the East Coast tour.

Walt Richmond?  Wasn't he with that band that does kids music?  The 
Tractors (sort of like the Wiggles but hairier)?

:-)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Apr 15 01:50:47 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:50:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
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Maybe not

http://www.chinacartimes.com/2009/04/07/mg6-concept-drawings-we-likey/

no idea of any affiliations.  Concept to reality can be a big step, and this
is only a preview of a concept ...
  ----- Original Message -----


  And the article (which could have been made up ...

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:28:10 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:28:10 -0500
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Eric Erickson wrote:
> The Roxter wrote:
>> You might have noticed he also neglected me this year.   :)
>>
>> He has Walt Richmond on piano now. Maybe he will use me and do the 
>> East Coast later.  Hope so.
>>
>>   
>
> Good luck to you for the East Coast tour.
>
> Walt Richmond?  Wasn't he with that band that does kids music?  The 
> Tractors (sort of like the Wiggles but hairier)?
>
> :-) 
Walt was also Bonnie Raitt's pianist (& boyfriend).

-The Roxter
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 12:39:34 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:39:34 -0500
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So Bonnie's available? Go get her, Rocky! :-)

On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, The Roxter wrote:

> Eric Erickson wrote:
>> The Roxter wrote:
>>> You might have noticed he also neglected me this year.   :)
>>>
>>> He has Walt Richmond on piano now. Maybe he will use me and do the  
>>> East Coast later.  Hope so.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good luck to you for the East Coast tour.
>>
>> Walt Richmond?  Wasn't he with that band that does kids music?  The  
>> Tractors (sort of like the Wiggles but hairier)?
>>
>> :-)
> Walt was also Bonnie Raitt's pianist (& boyfriend).
>
> -The Roxter
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 13:16:53 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:16:53 -0500
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Paul Root wrote:
> So Bonnie's available? Go get her, Rocky! :-) 
She's married to a millionaire now.  :)

-The Roxter
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 16 13:43:59 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] barn finds do exist!
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i found this thing on craigslist of all places.

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/

since my previous experience is with the 73 B roadster 
http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/

I've pulled cars out of sleep before so i'm ready for all that.  but i'm 
going to need some hand holding here.

1.  What's the best shop manual?
2.  I hit the starter button and get nothing.  the horn and lights work. 
can someone give me a couple quick pointers as to where to head?
3.  Recommendations on possibly "unfogging" that back plastic?
4.  How does the shift knob attach?  There's this weird 8 ball shift knob, 
and the metal knob that i have does seem to fit.
5.  What size are the tires and are they hard to find
6.  Any hints about driving this thing and the suicide doors?  Any cautions 
or btdt i should avoid?
7.  I hear these tops are weird; hard to put up and down. 
instructions/helpful suggestions?  I'm a little worried about putting this 
one down given its age.


thanks!  i'm looking forward to driving this thing!

its name is Sallie.  my wife said "its such a girl" 

From elco506 at austin.rr.com  Thu Apr 16 14:02:16 2009
From: elco506 at austin.rr.com (Brian Lundgren)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] barn finds do exist!
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Not much on mechanical help, but that is one cool find!

Brian Lundgren


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of oliver
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:44 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] barn finds do exist!

i found this thing on craigslist of all places.

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/

since my previous experience is with the 73 B roadster 
http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/

I've pulled cars out of sleep before so i'm ready for all that.  but i'm 
going to need some hand holding here.

1.  What's the best shop manual?
2.  I hit the starter button and get nothing.  the horn and lights work. 
can someone give me a couple quick pointers as to where to head?
3.  Recommendations on possibly "unfogging" that back plastic?
4.  How does the shift knob attach?  There's this weird 8 ball shift knob, 
and the metal knob that i have does seem to fit.
5.  What size are the tires and are they hard to find
6.  Any hints about driving this thing and the suicide doors?  Any cautions 
or btdt i should avoid?
7.  I hear these tops are weird; hard to put up and down. 
instructions/helpful suggestions?  I'm a little worried about putting this 
one down given its age.


thanks!  i'm looking forward to driving this thing!

its name is Sallie.  my wife said "its such a girl" 
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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 16 14:19:21 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:19:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] barn finds do exist!
In-Reply-To: <002701c9becb$b143f830$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <C60CE0D9.1FE58%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I would read the owners manual. In those days they were pretty
comprehensive. I'm sure it tells you how to operate the top, at least.

I would imagine you can get the tires from Coker, if nowhere else. The size
is on the sidewall. And in the manual, of course. There is a conversion
chart to modern sizes here:
http://www.vintagecarconnection.com/vintage_tire_size_conversion_chart.htm

Not that this really helps, because those sizes will be obsolete as well.

I would say, just make sure the door latches operate properly. I mean, doors
opened like this for half a century -- they aren't intrinsically unsafe,
despite the derogatory modern appellation.

Have fun!

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 4/16/09 12:43 PM, oliver at sumton at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> i found this thing on craigslist of all places.
> 
> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/
> 
> since my previous experience is with the 73 B roadster
> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgb/
> 
> I've pulled cars out of sleep before so i'm ready for all that.  but i'm
> going to need some hand holding here.
> 
> 1.  What's the best shop manual?
> 2.  I hit the starter button and get nothing.  the horn and lights work.
> can someone give me a couple quick pointers as to where to head?
> 3.  Recommendations on possibly "unfogging" that back plastic?
> 4.  How does the shift knob attach?  There's this weird 8 ball shift knob,
> and the metal knob that i have does seem to fit.
> 5.  What size are the tires and are they hard to find
> 6.  Any hints about driving this thing and the suicide doors?  Any cautions
> or btdt i should avoid?
> 7.  I hear these tops are weird; hard to put up and down.
> instructions/helpful suggestions?  I'm a little worried about putting this
> one down given its age.
> 
> 
> thanks!  i'm looking forward to driving this thing!
> 
> its name is Sallie.  my wife said "its such a girl"

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 16 21:41:33 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] 14TH ANNUAL SAN DIEGO ROLLING BRITISH CAR DAY 4-18-09
Message-ID: <14697109.1239939693856.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

14TH ANNUAL SAN DIEGO ROLLING BRITISH CAR DAY
          SATURDAY, APRIL 18, 2009

          MILTONbS DELI RESTAURANT
        FLOWER HILL SHOPPING, DEL MAR
       (east of Via de la Valle turn off,
        just North of Del Mar Racetrack)

        MEET AT 9:00 (OR EARLIER!!!!!)
 For tyre-kickinb, lie-tellin' and socializin'

         bPEDAL-TO-THE-MEDALb AT 10:00

If you want to have a full, sit-down breakfast at
Miltonbs, allow an extra hour.  Miltonbs, and several
other places, do have bwalkbupb munchies, coffee, etc.
Or bring your own

A PICNIC LUNCH IS A MUST!!!!!

DUST OFF THOSE PICNIC RECIPES AND YOUR BEST
PICNIC BASKETWE WILL BE HAVING OUR PICNIC AT
SAN DIEGUITO PARK

WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A $5.00 DONATIONb
 $3.00 IS THE PARK FEE FOR PARKING (per car);
 $2.00 TO HELP OFFSET THE RESERVATION FEE

NO RULES  * NO TROPHIES  * NO JUDGING
NO TRAILER QUEENS    *   NO APPLICATONs

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Jaguar - John Fitch at Watkins Glen (Seneca Cup).jpg]

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 18 16:07:11 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
Message-ID: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>

My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off in 1st
gear.  Only happens when it gets good and warmed up.  Doesn't exist at all
when cold.  It usually takes a good highway run to get it to act up.  It has a
detuned version of the 1622 as used in the MGA Mark II with the 3-synchro
trans.  Any ideas what's up?

TIA,

Larry Daniels

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 18 16:28:02 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:28:02 +0100
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> "It's my opinion that an MG Midget with a Sprite logo is not a Sprite, An
> Austin Mini with a Morris logo is not a Morris and a Toyota with an MG logo
> is not an MG. My opinion, mind.
>
> -The Roxter"
>

Hmmm.  The Midget/Sprite was an Austin Healey Sprite BEFORE it was a Midget,
so surely that arguement should say that it is not a real MG.

The Mini was launched as an Austin and Morris pretty much simultaneously (as
well as Riley and Wolesely variants, not sure if they were simultaneous or
shortly after).  It was designed by a company that combined Austin and
Morris, but lead designer was Alec Issigonis, who came from Morris (having
done the Morris Minor), so if anything it's more of a Morris than an Austin.

MG was founded as a company making sportified versions of workaday Morris
cars, and throughout its history continued to do so; in fact in the 80's the
ONLY MGs were souped-up Austins.  The 90's was the only decade in history to
see MG 2-seat sports cars (RV8 and MGF) that didn't see any MG saloons.

You could have an arguement that a car designed and built in China isn't a
real MG just because the company owns the rights to the name and logo
(plenty would disagree, but it's a position you could justify).  There's no
arguement to say that a sportified Morris, Austin, Rover or descendant
thereof is not a real MG.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 18 18:38:41 2009
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:38:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Yes, I am asking you to look a gift horse in the mouth <g>
Message-ID: <C60FC0A1.1FF20%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I was driving my B last week, and a woman in a BMW pulled up beside me and
asked if I wanted a Midget. Well, I didn't exactly "want" one but I said
yeah, sure, I'd take a look at it.

The short version is that it was her first car, she stopped driving it daily
when she had kids, she got divorced and no longer had a garage to store it,
and now wants to stop paying the monthly storage lot fees. But she would
hate to see it scrapped, of course, so it was "free to a good home".

I don't need a longterm project, and I'm too tall to use a Midget for a
driver, so I was thinking to just clean it up and flip it. Not for much, of
course -- no huge pent-up demand for scruffy RB Midgets that I have noticed.
Just as a service to keepin' 'em on the road.

I have posted some photos with comments on Flickr:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157617009373612/>

Anyway, comments or suggestions are welcome. I particularly would appreciate
it if any experienced Spridgeteers had some advice about the left front
wheel.

I would also be willing to listen to offers, though I'm not really expecting
any given its current condition. I do have one local contact that would have
first refusal.

Cheers

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 18 19:35:54 2009
From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:35:54 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Yes,
 I am asking you to look a gift horse in the  mouth <g>
In-Reply-To: <C60FC0A1.1FF20%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFOEKPCDAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Everyone,

I've seen Midgets of the same age in much worse shape; I know where one is
right now that might have some useful parts. It looks to be salvageable, it
you really wanted to save it. Like Max said, there might not be a lot of
demand for a '76 Midget. Different story for a '73 in my opinion. Rather a
shame to let it rust into oblivion, if it is indeed salvageable for a
minimal to modest investment. What would it bring if it was fixed to a safe
and sound condition? Is it worth the time and money to get it there?

Eric in Florida
'74 B


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Max Heim
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:39 PM
To: MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Yes, I am asking you to look a gift horse in the mouth <g>


I was driving my B last week, and a woman in a BMW pulled up beside me and
asked if I wanted a Midget. Well, I didn't exactly "want" one but I said
yeah, sure, I'd take a look at it.

The short version is that it was her first car, she stopped driving it daily
when she had kids, she got divorced and no longer had a garage to store it,
and now wants to stop paying the monthly storage lot fees. But she would
hate to see it scrapped, of course, so it was "free to a good home".

I don't need a longterm project, and I'm too tall to use a Midget for a
driver, so I was thinking to just clean it up and flip it. Not for much, of
course -- no huge pent-up demand for scruffy RB Midgets that I have noticed.
Just as a service to keepin' 'em on the road.

I have posted some photos with comments on Flickr:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/mvheim/sets/72157617009373612/>

Anyway, comments or suggestions are welcome. I particularly would appreciate
it if any experienced Spridgeteers had some advice about the left front
wheel.

I would also be willing to listen to offers, though I'm not really expecting
any given its current condition. I do have one local contact that would have
first refusal.

Cheers

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
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From hardt at sonic.net  Sat Apr 18 20:20:29 2009
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:20:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
In-Reply-To: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>
References: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>
Message-ID: <49EA8A6D.10404@sonic.net>

This rings a distant bell in what passes for my memory. My car used to
do this about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly it was oil on the
face on the clutch that caused this. I would have to occasionally spray
carb or brake cleaner on it to make it stop. I've installed  a new
clutch and pressure plate since then and haven't had any problems since.
Good luck!

Ron
58 MGA
www.nobbc.com

Larry Daniels wrote:
> My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off in 1st
> gear.  Only happens when it gets good and warmed up.  Doesn't exist at all
> when cold.  It usually takes a good highway run to get it to act up.  It has a
> detuned version of the 1622 as used in the MGA Mark II with the 3-synchro
> trans.  Any ideas what's up?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Larry Daniels

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 19 09:40:32 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
References: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry> <49EA8A6D.10404@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E18D1ED0A8964A67ADF7CC3807971E27@Larry>

Thanks, Ron.  Could anyone explain to me why there is no shuddering from the 
clutch when it is cold?  I mean, if oil is the problem, wouldn't it still be 
there when it is cold?

Larry

==================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <hardt at sonic.net>
To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder


This rings a distant bell in what passes for my memory. My car used to
do this about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly it was oil on the
face on the clutch that caused this. I would have to occasionally spray
carb or brake cleaner on it to make it stop. I've installed  a new
clutch and pressure plate since then and haven't had any problems since.
Good luck!

Ron
58 MGA
www.nobbc.com

Larry Daniels wrote:
> My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off in 1st
> gear.  Only happens when it gets good and warmed up.  Doesn't exist at all
> when cold.  It usually takes a good highway run to get it to act up.  It 
> has a
> detuned version of the 1622 as used in the MGA Mark II with the 3-synchro
> trans.  Any ideas what's up?
>
> TIA,
>
> Larry Daniels

From RonFineEsq at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 19 11:26:09 2009
From: RonFineEsq at earthlink.net (Ron Fine)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
References: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>
	<49EA8A6D.10404@sonic.net> <E18D1ED0A8964A67ADF7CC3807971E27@Larry>
Message-ID: <211A089BE4F74B92A1A8BD9B498BC2D1@XPS400>

I had a similar problem on my 66 MGB.  The clutch would shudder only when it 
was hot, after sitting in traffic, etc.  When I pulled the engine and 
transmission for a rebuild I discovered the throw out bearing was totally 
shot.  There was no oil contamination. The clutch disk was dry and in good 
shape.   I did replace the entire clutch during the rebuild and the problem 
is gone, but the only thing I could see that was bad with the original 
clutch was the throwout bearing.
Ron Fine
66 MGB
61BN7

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ron Engelhardt" <hardt at sonic.net>; "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder


> Thanks, Ron.  Could anyone explain to me why there is no shuddering from 
> the
> clutch when it is cold?  I mean, if oil is the problem, wouldn't it still 
> be
> there when it is cold?
>
> Larry
>
> ==================
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <hardt at sonic.net>
> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
>
>
> This rings a distant bell in what passes for my memory. My car used to
> do this about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly it was oil on the
> face on the clutch that caused this. I would have to occasionally spray
> carb or brake cleaner on it to make it stop. I've installed  a new
> clutch and pressure plate since then and haven't had any problems since.
> Good luck!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> www.nobbc.com
>
> Larry Daniels wrote:
>> My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off in 1st
>> gear.  Only happens when it gets good and warmed up.  Doesn't exist at 
>> all
>> when cold.  It usually takes a good highway run to get it to act up.  It
>> has a
>> detuned version of the 1622 as used in the MGA Mark II with the 3-synchro
>> trans.  Any ideas what's up?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Larry Daniels
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 11:39:05 2009
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:39:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
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Richard Gosling wrote:
>
>     "It's my opinion that an MG Midget with a Sprite logo is not a
>     Sprite, An Austin Mini with a Morris logo is not a Morris and a
>     Toyota with an MG logo is not an MG. My opinion, mind.
>
>
>     -The Roxter"
>
>  
> Hmmm.  The Midget/Sprite was an Austin Healey Sprite BEFORE it was a 
> Midget, so surely that arguement should say that it is not a real MG.
>  
> The Mini was launched as an Austin and Morris pretty much 
> simultaneously (as well as Riley and Wolesely variants, not sure if 
> they were simultaneous or shortly after).  It was designed by a 
> company that combined Austin and Morris, but lead designer was Alec 
> Issigonis, who came from Morris (having done the Morris Minor), so if 
> anything it's more of a Morris than an Austin.
>  
> MG was founded as a company making sportified versions of workaday 
> Morris cars, and throughout its history continued to do so; in fact in 
> the 80's the ONLY MGs were souped-up Austins.  The 90's was the only 
> decade in history to see MG 2-seat sports cars (RV8 and MGF) that 
> didn't see any MG saloons.
>  
> You could have an arguement that a car designed and built in China 
> isn't a real MG just because the company owns the rights to the name 
> and logo (plenty would disagree, but it's a position you could 
> justify).  There's no arguement to say that a sportified Morris, 
> Austin, Rover or descendant thereof is not a real MG.
Yup, but there you're talking "real world." I was specifying my own 
opinion, an area where I am God, with no necessity to justify or explain.

To me, Sprite is a frog-eye. Period.

The first Mini I raced was a Morris & my present Cooper S is a Morris, 
but to me, Minis are Austins. Doesn't even make sense to me, but that's 
the way it is.

-The Roxter
--

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Apr 19 13:25:17 2009
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:25:17 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
In-Reply-To: <E18D1ED0A8964A67ADF7CC3807971E27@Larry>
References: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>
	<49EA8A6D.10404@sonic.net> <E18D1ED0A8964A67ADF7CC3807971E27@Larry>
Message-ID: <FF025C9B-86D6-41CE-9FEB-B97B0C568C5C@tampabay.rr.com>

Clutch shudder on an MGTD could also be caused by oil soaked front or  
rear motor mounts.
Might be something to check on the B
Cheers,
Dave Houser


On Apr 19, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> Thanks, Ron.  Could anyone explain to me why there is no shuddering  
> from the
> clutch when it is cold?  I mean, if oil is the problem, wouldn't it  
> still be
> there when it is cold?
>
> Larry
>
> ==================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Engelhardt" <hardt at sonic.net>
> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
>
>
> This rings a distant bell in what passes for my memory. My car used to
> do this about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly it was oil on the
> face on the clutch that caused this. I would have to occasionally  
> spray
> carb or brake cleaner on it to make it stop. I've installed  a new
> clutch and pressure plate since then and haven't had any problems  
> since.
> Good luck!
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
> www.nobbc.com
>
> Larry Daniels wrote:
>> My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off  
>> in 1st
>> gear.  Only happens when it gets good and warmed up.  Doesn't exist  
>> at all
>> when cold.  It usually takes a good highway run to get it to act  
>> up.  It
>> has a
>> detuned version of the 1622 as used in the MGA Mark II with the 3- 
>> synchro
>> trans.  Any ideas what's up?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Larry Daniels

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 00:22:52 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MG book/dvd
Message-ID: <40b437200904192322p406255f5o488db8a619f7a320@mail.gmail.com>

At the bottom of this page:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caraccessories/5165905/The-Gear-Box.html

I have no idea if it is worth buying.

Simon

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 02:03:47 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:03:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hot clutch shudder
References: <9BD399D6E4E045BF91587EF687437320@Larry>
Message-ID: <40C14FEFB188402F809387250187C53B@Three>

I had a release bearing fail and replaced the clutch, and annoyingly had
clutch judder when I didn't have it before, manoeuvring slipping the clutch.
I found that using revs slightly higher than otherwise I would have controlled
it, and lived with it.  Some 50k miles later it still does it a bit but not as
much as originally.  FWIW when I had oil contamination on a classis Mini there
was no judder, the clutch was just either in or out so I needed a lot of revs
to prevent stalling.

You don't say how old the clutch components are, doing a standard clutch
change would almost certainly change its behaviour, but only when you can't
live with it any longer.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  My 67 Austin Ute is starting to get clutch shudder when taking off in 1st
  gear.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 02:14:16 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:14:16 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Sizzling MG6 puts Brits back on top! | Auto Express News
 | News | Auto Express
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You and Roxter are saying the same thing, but neither quite right.  Healey may
well have designed it, but to Leonard Lord's requirements, using mechanicals
out of the corporate parts bin, and assembled at Abingdon, just like ...

Called Morris Mini Minor and Austin Seven originally, Austin Mini and Morris
Mini later on.  The Riley Elf and Wolseley Hornet came out a couple of years
later.  Made at Longbridge which makes those examples more of an Austin ...

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----


  The Mini was launched as an Austin and Morris pretty much simultaneously
(as
  well as Riley and Wolesely variants, not sure if they were simultaneous or
  shortly after).

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 20 05:36:44 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
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just picked up a 52 td last week.

sat in a garage 30  years.  the dpo put a battery in it, and this weekend we 
got it running.

am a little concerned, tho, because the battery is in standard position, and 
the car should be positive ground.

is there a way to tell if it was ever converted to negative ground?
would it start and run if the battery was in backwards?
what should i do at this point?
i wouldn't mind having it positive ground.

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 20 05:59:45 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:59:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
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The ignition circuit shouldn't care which way round it is wired - the
distributor, coil and spark plugs will work either way.

Starter motor - I would have said I'm not sure, but since you managed to
start the car I guess it spins the same way whichever way it is connected.

Dynamo - I'm guessing it won't be too happy to be connected the wrong way
round.  It wouldn't prevent you starting and running it, but it might damage
the dynamo.

At this stage I guess you haven't tried to operate anything else
electrical.  Lights etc. clearly don't care, wiper motor I guess does care,
but if it does it's more likely to work wrong than suffer damage (but this
is from general knowledge/education and intuition, not specific experience,
so don't count on it!).  Same may be true of any electrical gauges (e.g.
fuel), although it's possible they do actually work correctly either way
round, I'm not sure.  Radio, if fitted, won't like it.

No idea how you'd tell for sure if it had been converted, but instictively
I'd start at the dynamo for clues.

Richard

2009/4/20 oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>

> just picked up a 52 td last week.
>
> sat in a garage 30  years.  the dpo put a battery in it, and this weekend
> we got it running.
>
> am a little concerned, tho, because the battery is in standard position,
> and the car should be positive ground.
>
> is there a way to tell if it was ever converted to negative ground?
> would it start and run if the battery was in backwards?
> what should i do at this point?
> i wouldn't mind having it positive ground.
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 06:28:50 2009
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:28:50 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
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Use a voltmeter leaps to mind.
Put he positive lead on the voltmeter on the grounded terminal of the
battery.  Put the negative lead on the other terminal.
If the voltmeter reads 12V it is positive ground
If the voltmeter reads -12V it is negative ground

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>
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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 20 06:59:00 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:59:00 +0100
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	<a3b984e10904200528l6bd899bet7d0d7658ee8b95c9@mail.gmail.com>
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> "Use a voltmeter leaps to mind.
> Put he positive lead on the voltmeter on the grounded terminal of the
> battery.  Put the negative lead on the other terminal.
> If the voltmeter reads 12V it is positive ground
> If the voltmeter reads -12V it is negative ground"


Well, that assumes that the battery in there has been put in correctly.  As
I understand it, Oliver has already established that the battery has been
connected as if it's negative ground (and you don't need a voltmeter for
that, just look at the battery markings).  Oliver's just worried that it
shouldn't have been connected that way.

Richard

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Apr 20 07:54:38 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:54:38 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
In-Reply-To: <9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><A039286A-E16A-45FA-B1FA-586BF836168E@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><C6735776B54345F88DB4233700C72B3D@Three><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><a3b984e10904200528l6bd899bet7d0d7658ee8b95c9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I would check the generator with a voltmeter so see which way it is
charging. Or barring that, for even less work, I'd just polarize the
generator as if I was converting it from one ground to the other. About
the only concern then might be the fuel pump. Some electrical fuel pumps
are designed for one ground, MGBs anyway. Otherwise, everything else
should work fine.

David Councill
72 MGB
67 MGBGT
73 MGB

-----Original Message-----


> "Use a voltmeter leaps to mind.
> Put he positive lead on the voltmeter on the grounded terminal of the
> battery.  Put the negative lead on the other terminal.
> If the voltmeter reads 12V it is positive ground
> If the voltmeter reads -12V it is negative ground"

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon Apr 20 08:32:53 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
Message-ID: <20090420.103350.1860.8.MGBOB@juno.com>

    These cars are not particularly polarity sensitive.  Lights are not
affected, clock and wiper don't care. Ammeter works OK either way, but
will show incorrect reading if polarity reversed. Dynamo should be
polarised to whatever system you want to have.
    Does the ground cable connect -- on the battery to the battery box? 
If yes, it's now  connected asNeg earth.
    If it is neg earth and the ammeter shows charge when engine revs up,
then someone has already converted to neg earth.
    If the ammeter shows increasing discharge as engine revs up, car is
still Pos earth and battery is connected backwards so you can turn it
around.  
 
    There is a polarity for coils.  Originally, when pos earth, the CB
terminal of coil went to Contact Breaker (points) terminal. Replacement
coils are usually + and -.  Someone will know for sure which way to
connect. 
   If the polarity of the dynamo is uncertain, just "flash" it.  That
will not change polarity if it's what you want or will reverse polarity
for you. 
    
    If you keep it Pos earth, you can install a cigarette lighter that is
wired pos to the center post and neg to the shell that will power CB and
anything else you might want that needs neg earth, and you can make up an
electrical bridge of diodes to use in the little dash panel sockets that
will ensure that the polarity is correct for the device you want to power
from them.
 
Bob
 
 

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:36:44 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> just picked up a 52 td last week.
> 
> sat in a garage 30  years.  the dpo put a battery in it, and this 
> weekend we  got it running.
> 
> am a little concerned, tho, because the battery is in standard 
> position, and  the car should be positive ground.
> 
> is there a way to tell if it was ever converted to negative ground?
> would it start and run if the battery was in backwards?
> what should i do at this point?
> i wouldn't mind having it positive ground.
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 08:26:45 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:26:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com><49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com><A039286A-E16A-45FA-B1FA-586BF836168E@gmail.com><49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com><9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com><C6735776B54345F88DB4233700C72B3D@Three><003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><a3b984e10904200528l6bd899bet7d0d7658ee8b95c9@mail.gmail.com><9f2527520904200559n92a09fau320918c7dae0d2f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5C@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <B89E607694A144C0AF905EA196C9680E@Three>

Only the later MGB fuel pumps were polarity conscious, but just like such
pumps - diode quenched points and pointless - can be retro-fitted to earlier
MGB then I'm guessing they could be fitted to earlier MGs with similar pumps
as well.  Waiting until you have started the engine to see what polarity it
outputs would be too late for a pointless pump, but shouldn't hurt a
diode-quenched pump.  If you know it is a points pump then disconnect the
harness from the dynamo, link the F and D terminals, start then engine and see
what polarity it generates.  But have a voltmeter between the output terminal
and ground from the outset and don't rev the engine so that it outputs more
than 20v.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I would check the generator with a voltmeter so see which way it is
  charging.

From pchast at francomm.com  Mon Apr 20 11:54:35 2009
From: pchast at francomm.com (Pete Chast)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
In-Reply-To: <003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <346C5836-8CE0-4456-BCA5-D50E2A47878F@gmail.com>
	<49E4D245.7030301@gmail.com>
	<A039286A-E16A-45FA-B1FA-586BF836168E@gmail.com>
	<49E4E981.3080802@gmail.com>
	<9f2527520904181528h2c142f3fyaac3da830b6846de@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6735776B54345F88DB4233700C72B3D@Three>
	<003501c9c1ad$ddbe50b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <op.uso5c9nvsjevdj@66-109-47-241.dialup.francomm.com>

Oliver........

A little known fact is that the terminal sizes have aways been different  
as far as I know....
If you had to pry one a lot and squeeze teh other a lot its likely to be  
in backwards.
otherwise disconnect the Gererator and check ground to the hot with a  
voltmeter drectly on
the generator aas its isolated from the battery.

If I remember my motor theory right that is.....

Pete


On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:36:44 -0700, oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> just picked up a 52 td last week.
>
> sat in a garage 30  years.  the dpo put a battery in it, and this  
> weekend we
> got it running.
>
> am a little concerned, tho, because the battery is in standard position,  
> and
> the car should be positive ground.
>
> is there a way to tell if it was ever converted to negative ground?
> would it start and run if the battery was in backwards?
> what should i do at this point?
> i wouldn't mind having it positive ground.
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Apr 20 09:06:05 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:06:05 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
In-Reply-To: <B89E607694A144C0AF905EA196C9680E@Three>
References: <B89E607694A144C0AF905EA196C9680E@Three>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD5E@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

This is true but to clarify on the "later" fuel pumps as in later
produced. The original pumps in the early MGBs (and presumably in the TD
world) were not polarity conscious as I recall. But buy a replacement
one now and they are specifically sold by polarity. Doesn't this seem
like a step backwards? For example, on my 67BGT, if it has the original
fuel pump (quite possible) I can change my polarity if I desire. But if
the pump has been replaced in recent years, I would likely have to
replace the pump or do some internal modification. Looking at the Moss
catalogues on-line, I see this is the case for TC/TD/TF as well - fuel
pumps are sold by polarity.



David Councill

67 BGT

72B

73B



From: Paul Hunt [mailto:paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:27 AM
To: Councill, David; MG List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] positive ground



Only the later MGB fuel pumps were polarity conscious, but just like
such pumps - diode quenched points and pointless - can be retro-fitted
to earlier MGB then I'm guessing they could be fitted to earlier MGs
with similar pumps as well.  Waiting until you have started the engine
to see what polarity it outputs would be too late for a pointless pump,
but shouldn't hurt a diode-quenched pump.  If you know it is a points
pump then disconnect the harness from the dynamo, link the F and D
terminals, start then engine and see what polarity it generates.  But
have a voltmeter between the output terminal and ground from the outset
and don't rev the engine so that it outputs more than 20v.



PaulH.

	----- Original Message -----



	I would check the generator with a voltmeter so see which way it
is
	charging.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 08:55:55 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:55:55 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
References: <20090420.103350.1860.8.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <552579848C3B406A954B528AB5AD7D69@Three>

Coils were originally CB for ground and SW for ignition i.e. negative and
positive respectively, these have to be reversed if changing the polarity of
the car.  Later coils with - and + markings are self-explanatory.

There is no point putting a diode bridge between the voltage supply and the
sockets, you would still have to decide which way round you want the polarity
i.e. the output of the bridge connected to the sockets, you might just as well
connect the 12v and ground that way round directly.  And aren't the sockets
red and black any way i.e. +ve and -ve?  To do anything else would be
confusing.  In order to allow a device to be connected to either polarity the
diode bridge has to be with the *device*.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
      There is a polarity for coils.  Originally, when pos earth, the CB
  terminal of coil went to Contact Breaker (points) terminal. Replacement
  coils are usually + and -.

  ... you can make up an
  electrical bridge of diodes to use in the little dash panel sockets that
  will ensure that the polarity is correct for the device you want to power
  from them.

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 09:51:23 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:51:23 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
In-Reply-To: <552579848C3B406A954B528AB5AD7D69@Three>
References: <20090420.103350.1860.8.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<552579848C3B406A954B528AB5AD7D69@Three>
Message-ID: <40b437200904200851q78dd28dy81a1bb4615433be1@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Coils were originally CB for ground and SW for ignition i.e. negative and
> positive respectively, these have to be reversed if changing the polarity of
> the car.  Later coils with - and + markings are self-explanatory.

The coil will work if connected the wrong way round, though? Just not as well.

Simon

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 21 01:47:48 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
References: <20090420.103350.1860.8.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<552579848C3B406A954B528AB5AD7D69@Three>
	<40b437200904200851q78dd28dy81a1bb4615433be1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F305620D9604A929681FF940BF2691D@Three>

"Have to be" is probably too strong a phrase, "should be" is probably more
appropriate.  It *will* work either way round, and you may not even notice the
difference if connected the 'wrong' way round.  I've seen claims that it only
makes a difference if reversing the polarity of the HT to old plugs, it being
said that having run some time at one polarity they are harder to fire if you
reverse it on the same plugs.  Modern cars with distributor-less ignition
where one coil feeds two plugs in the 'lost spark' system usually have one of
the two plugs at one polarity and the other at the other, so I doubt there is
anything intrinsically 'wrong' with reversing the HT.  The difference on our
cars is the return path for the HT, which doesn't come through the 'can' of
the coil from ground but through the battery and ignition switch to the SW or
+ve terminal of the coil.  Reverse the coil and it will have to pass through
the LT winding as well, which is probably where the recommendation to keep the
polarity correct comes from, as the HT pulse passing through the LT winding
may tend to oppose the LT pulse and so adversely affect the HT pulse.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  The coil will work if connected the wrong way round, though? Just not as
well.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 21 02:35:08 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:35:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] positive ground
Message-ID: <D0B2276B05FE416BB3C49A159E13789B@Three>

Correction - the 'other' end of the HT winding is connected to the CB or -ve
terminal, meaning the return path for the HT is through the condenser, not the
battery.  Can't see what I'm looking at!

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  The difference on our cars is the return path for the HT, which doesn't
come through the 'can' of the coil from ground but through the battery and
ignition switch to the SW or +ve terminal of the coil...

From batangelias at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 21 06:04:22 2009
From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB on Octane Magazine
Message-ID: <895778.56856.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"MGB Boring? No Brilliant!" --- Octane, May 2009

http://tiny.cc/WkyIq


Martin Galan
' 65 MGB

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:48:59 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:48:59 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA in advertisement
Message-ID: <40b437200904211048l153ef7ban47a7479a2f672f98@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone noticed the recent advertisement in which a novice driver,
instead of reversing, goes forwards into what is clearly an MGA?

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 11:57:29 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:57:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
Message-ID: <40b437200904211057q35490a9ld4d29bf274b2e813@mail.gmail.com>

I just attempted to drive to work in my MGA but had to return home.

Some months ago, I purchased a new armature for the generator in my
MGA. I recently got around to replacing the armature. I drifted the
old armature out of the front plate and put the front plate onto the
new armature. But it seems that something is wrong with the front
bearing because after a mile or two, I could hear a new  noise from
the engine compartment and on returning home, the generator was very
hot.

Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong?

Simon

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue Apr 21 12:22:24 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:22:24 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
Message-ID: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>

   Did the armature turn smoothly and silently in the front bearing? 
   Is the rear bushing round and a good fit on the new armature? Oiled?
   Belt adjusted just barely tight enough to grip the pulley?
Bob

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:57:29 -0700 Simon Matthews
<simon.d.matthews at gmail.com> writes:
> I just attempted to drive to work in my MGA but had to return home.
> 
> Some months ago, I purchased a new armature for the generator in my
> MGA. I recently got around to replacing the armature. I drifted the
> old armature out of the front plate and put the front plate onto 
> the
> new armature. But it seems that something is wrong with the front
> bearing because after a mile or two, I could hear a new  noise from
> the engine compartment and on returning home, the generator was 
> very
> hot.
> 
> Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong?
> 
> Simon
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 21 12:37:37 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG for $650???
Message-ID: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Forwarded from the T-series list:

California and San Francisco Bay Area T series owners should get a laugh out
of the letter, paraphrased below that I recently got from the Bay Area Air
Quality Management District:

"Dear Vehicle Owner:

Since the registration on your model year 1951 vehicle is expiring soon,
please consider an alternative to driving this vehicle.    You can receive
$650 for your 1987 or older car, van or pickup truck from the Bay Area Air
Quality Management District and help reduce air pollution.

The District's Buy Back Program buys and then scraps 1987 and older vehicles.
These older vehicles have less efficient emission control equipment and
therefore produce much more air pollution than newer vehicles.  This program
is completely voluntary.  If your car is a classic car or otherwise valuable
to you, please disregard this letter."


Needless to say I will be disregarding the letter.  No wait, I think I'll
write the BAQMD and ask why they are wasting my taxpayer funds to mail these
letters out to owners of cars as old as mine.   Any car of this age still
registered and in operation is already a classic and more valuable to the
owner than the $650 offered. Still I wonder if the "program is completely
voluntary" provision will someday be rescinded?

Time to write your legislators and express your opinions now?

John F. Quilter
Brisbane, California
1951 MGTD,
1960 Morris Minor
1969 Austin America
two bicycles for most local errands

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 13:25:46 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:25:46 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
In-Reply-To: <op.usranfbesjevdj@66-109-47-166.dialup.francomm.com>
References: <40b437200904211057q35490a9ld4d29bf274b2e813@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.usranfbesjevdj@66-109-47-166.dialup.francomm.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200904211225q5d3c85a1l353c12d9d0bf3cb0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Pete Chast <pchast at francomm.com> wrote:
> Simon.
>
> whatever you might have done wrong is immaterial its now time to replace the
> bearing.

It's not immaterial, since I want to avoid making the same mistake again.

>
> Common mistakes include not being clean enough and not supporting the race
> that's being
> pressed on a shaft. Double check and clean everything including th etools
> being used to
> press on the new bearing.

My method to put the front plate and bearing onto the shaft was to
find a socket that fitted over the shaft and pressed on the bearing,
and beat that with a large hammer. Since that did not work -- what is
the correct procedure?

Simon

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Apr 21 13:27:45 2009
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
In-Reply-To: <40b437200904211057q35490a9ld4d29bf274b2e813@mail.gmail.com
  >
References: <40b437200904211057q35490a9ld4d29bf274b2e813@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090421202644.A4E9718764E@autox.team.net>

At 10:57 AM 4/21/2009 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote:
>....
>.... I purchased a new armature for the generator in my MGA. I 
>recently got around to replacing the armature. .... after a mile or 
>two, I could hear a new noise from the engine compartment and on 
>returning home, the generator was very hot.
>
>Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong?

If you bought a new armature, we might presume the old one was burned 
out.  Burned out armature is commonly caused by a faulty regulator 
relay in the control box causing the generator to run at maximum 
unregulated output at all times.  This can drive generator ouitput 
somewhat higher than 20 volts at road speed, and the resulting 
over-current can burn out the armature.

Any time you change a generator or control box you MUST check the 
output of the generator.  Polarize the new generator first, and test 
the generator output before connecting it to the wiring 
harness.  After verifying that the generator works, connect it up and 
do a running test of the regulated output to be sure it peaks out 
around 16 volts max (at the dynamo output terminal) and no 
higher.  If the regulated voltage is just a little off, slightly high 
or low, then the regulator relay only needs a little adjustment.  If 
it runs to much higher voltage at speed the control box is bad with 
faulty regulator relay, and needs to be replaced.

Bottom line is, a faulty $40 control box will burn up a perfectly 
good $100 generator.  If you don't change the faulty control box it 
can burn out the new generator as well.  It will often get hot enough 
to melt solder and break up the commutator segments.  Before that 
happens it might cook the oil out of the rear bronze bushing causing 
that to fail and allowing the armature to drag on the field coils 
making lots of loud screaching noise.

Barnay Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From dwillner at ptd.net  Tue Apr 21 14:33:00 2009
From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA in advertisement
References: <40b437200904211048l153ef7ban47a7479a2f672f98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c9c2c0$5d9672a0$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com>

Yes, for an insurance company I believe, a nice red MGA was bumped into by a 
young girl with her father in the passenger seat in their gargage, seemingly 
not too concerned about the MG either?

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg, PA
59 TR3A Apple Green
70 MGB BRG
70 BSA 441 Victor Special

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Matthews" <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com>
To: "MGS" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: [Mgs] MGA in advertisement


> Has anyone noticed the recent advertisement in which a novice driver,
> instead of reversing, goes forwards into what is clearly an MGA?

From hardt at sonic.net  Tue Apr 21 14:36:27 2009
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:36:27 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG for $650???
In-Reply-To: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <49EE2E4B.2040708@sonic.net>

Heh, I just got one of those in the mail too. I don't think I'll be 
taking them up on their offer ;-)

Ron
58 MGA

rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net wrote:

> Forwarded from the T-series list:
> 
> California and San Francisco Bay Area T series owners should get a laugh out
> of the letter, paraphrased below that I recently got from the Bay Area Air
> Quality Management District:
> 
> "Dear Vehicle Owner:
> 
> Since the registration on your model year 1951 vehicle is expiring soon,
> please consider an alternative to driving this vehicle.    You can receive
> $650 for your 1987 or older car, van or pickup truck from the Bay Area Air
> Quality Management District and help reduce air pollution.
> 
> The District's Buy Back Program buys and then scraps 1987 and older vehicles.
> These older vehicles have less efficient emission control equipment and
> therefore produce much more air pollution than newer vehicles.  This program
> is completely voluntary.  If your car is a classic car or otherwise valuable
> to you, please disregard this letter."
> 
> 
> Needless to say I will be disregarding the letter.  No wait, I think I'll
> write the BAQMD and ask why they are wasting my taxpayer funds to mail these
> letters out to owners of cars as old as mine.   Any car of this age still
> registered and in operation is already a classic and more valuable to the
> owner than the $650 offered. Still I wonder if the "program is completely
> voluntary" provision will someday be rescinded?
> 
> Time to write your legislators and express your opinions now?

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Tue Apr 21 16:34:34 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:34:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA in advertisement
In-Reply-To: <40b437200904211048l153ef7ban47a7479a2f672f98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40b437200904211048l153ef7ban47a7479a2f672f98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c9c2d1$589bf8e0$09d3eaa0$@net>

Yes, I pointed it out to my wife and she recognized it too..

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Matthews
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:49 PM
To: MGS
Subject: [Mgs] MGA in advertisement

Has anyone noticed the recent advertisement in which a novice driver,
instead of reversing, goes forwards into what is clearly an MGA?
e

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 09:27:23 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:27:23 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
References: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>

Something demanding too much current from it?
  ----- Original Message -----



     Did the armature turn smoothly and silently in the front bearing?
     Is the rear bushing round and a good fit on the new armature? Oiled?
     Belt adjusted just barely tight enough to grip the pulley?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 09:30:51 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:30:51 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG for $650???
References: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BA940B10F400468788F888929B797D32@Three>

2000 quid ($2900) 'scrappage' discount swapping anything 10 years or older for
a new one in today's UK budget.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...    You can receive
  $650 for your 1987 or older car, van or pickup truck...

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 22 10:19:06 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG for $650???
In-Reply-To: <BA940B10F400468788F888929B797D32@Three>
References: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BA940B10F400468788F888929B797D32@Three>
Message-ID: <9f2527520904220919o28d0ce98m63aa3abd79a6d442@mail.gmail.com>

I've submitted a petition on the Prime Minister's website to exempt classics
from this scrappage scheme.  I'll let you all know once it's live, so you
can sign up to it!!

Richard

2009/4/22 Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>

> 2000 quid ($2900) 'scrappage' discount swapping anything 10 years or older
> for
> a new one in today's UK budget.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  ...    You can receive
>  $650 for your 1987 or older car, van or pickup truck...

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 10:36:05 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:36:05 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
In-Reply-To: <14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>
References: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>
Message-ID: <40b437200904220936u13625e66o7cd32f1cd8a76784@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Something demanding too much current from it?

Paul,

In an MGA?

But seriously, no. Before attempting to repair the generator, I had
been running the car with weekly charges from an external battery
charger. The battery easily lasted a week with no noticable difficulty
starting at the end of the week.

Simon

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Message:  1
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:19:06 +0100
From: Richard Gosling  <rbgosling at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG  for $650???
To: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc:  british-cars at autox.team.net, rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net,
mgs at autox.team.net,    spridgets at autox.team.net,
british-cars-pre-war at autox.team.net,     morgans at autox.team.net,
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I've submitted a petition on the Prime  Minister's website to exempt 
classics
from this scrappage scheme.   I'll let you all know once it's live, so you
can sign up to  it!!

Richard

2009/4/22 Paul Hunt  <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>

> 2000 quid ($2900) 'scrappage'  discount swapping anything 10 years or 
older
> for
> a new one in  today's UK budget.
>   ----- Original Message  -----
>  ...    You can receive
>  $650 for  your 1987 or older car, van or pickup  truck...


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date:  Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:36:05 -0700
From: Simon Matthews  <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Generator front  bearing.
To: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc:  mgs at autox.team.net
Message-ID:
<40b437200904220936u13625e66o7cd32f1cd8a76784 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Paul  Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> 
wrote:
> Something demanding  too much current from it?

Paul,

In an MGA?

But seriously,  no. Before attempting to repair the generator, I had
been running the car  with weekly charges from an external battery
charger. The battery easily  lasted a week with no noticable difficulty
starting at the end of the  week.

Simon


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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 01:21:18 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:21:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
References: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>
	<40b437200904220936u13625e66o7cd32f1cd8a76784@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8159EF7691414A9A932BA37751A7FD0F@Three>

Reversed polarity or incorrect or faulty wiring?
  ----- Original Message -----


  > Something demanding too much current from it?

  In an MGA?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 01:19:27 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:19:27 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Buy your T Series MG for $650???
References: <18368943.1240339057461.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BA940B10F400468788F888929B797D32@Three>
	<9f2527520904220919o28d0ce98m63aa3abd79a6d442@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30487F2C968B40D7B63B0C0546C6C562@Three>

There's no point, it's optional.  You only take part if you want to!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I've submitted a petition on the Prime Minister's website to exempt classics
from this scrappage scheme.  I'll let you all know once it's live, so you can
sign up to it!!

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 23 02:24:06 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:24:06 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] UK scrappage scheme
Message-ID: <9f2527520904230124l3c778f57wb9f8e1c164b1ecc4@mail.gmail.com>

Well, no-one is going to be legally obliged to scrap their old car, but
there's not much to stop someone buying up a perfectly servicable Morris
Minor for #500 then getting #2000 for trading it in against a shiny new
Discovery (which ironically will produce lots more emissions than the
Moggie).

Even people who already own classics could use this scheme to scrap
perfectly servicable cars.  For example, say someone has a slightly scrappy
but reasonably running Midget, probably not worth much more than #1000.  He
wants/needs to sell it - there's a kid on the way, he's getting too old for
it, he's fed up with the maintenance and repair and wants to get an MX5
instead - it happens.  What's he going to do - sell it for #1000 to a new
enthusiast who wants to have a fun little car, or someone who's going to
restore it, or is he going to trade it in for #2000 against a new car, and a
perfectly good (and economical, and fuel frugal) Midget ends up in the
crusher?

At the very least this measure is going to play havoc with the entire market
for second-hand cars worth under #2000, which represents a large proportion
of our hobby.

This government has already had a go at us by freezing the date for road tax
exemption practically within days of coming to power 12 years ago.  I'd
rather not see any classic cars crushed through another ill-thought-out plan
of theirs...

BTW, petition still isn't open for signing - I'll let you know when it is!!

Richard

2009/4/23 Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>

>  There's no point, it's optional.  You only take part if you want to!
>
> PaulH.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 03:34:51 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:34:51 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] UK scrappage scheme
References: <9f2527520904230124l3c778f57wb9f8e1c164b1ecc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B103E067D1A74156A4238F9D993479B6@Three>

Someone as impecunious as you say is hardly going to be able to buy a new MX5,
let alone a Discovery.  Of course it will distort the market, but you aren't
going to get the Government to say "that's a classic, we aren't going to let
you part exchange that"!  For a start what defines a classic?

Never mind that a Disco produces more pollution on the road than a Moggie
Minor (only CO2, not CO or hydrocarbons), 60% of a cars lifetime pollution is
produced in it manufacture, and for battery hybrids it's far worse.  You would
do far more for the planet buying a 3 or 4 year-old car than a new one of any
type.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----


  ...  He wants/needs to sell it - there's a kid on the way, he's getting too
old for it, he's fed up with the maintenance and repair and wants to get an
MX5 instead ...

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 08:08:13 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] rear view mirror
In-Reply-To: <57454176-E464-4352-8F24-A031326AC2E1@gmail.com>
References: <57454176-E464-4352-8F24-A031326AC2E1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5FC2278-F9B5-4910-A983-B8125C24652E@gmail.com>

Well, I got one reply saying that he didn't think that it comes apart.  
Thanks, Dan. One asking for a follow up on the answer. And one saying  
he thought he had a good used one in a box of hoarded parts somewhere.

So that tells me that it's not meant to be taken apart. And looking at  
it, I believe it.

I decided to order a new one.  But I haven't heard from Dwight  yet,  
hmm.

After I get the new one, I might try taking the old one apart.

BTW, I just want to say how spoiled we are on this list. I'm trying to  
figure out a problem at work with clustering of servers. I get lots of  
responses, mostly arguing over terminology, with a couple of "you  
should be able to do that" or "I'm doing that, but in a different  
context".

The comments are useless and unhelpful.  This group is just fantastic.



On Apr 14, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Paul Root wrote:

> Hi all,
> 	I've decided that this is the year to tackle the rear view mirror.
>
> 	The mirror is fine, and the external casing is fine. But it jiggles  
> a little bit and, the lever to flip between regular and night view  
> is broken/disconnected on the inside. These two things kind of sound  
> related
>
> 	Is this fixable? How do I get the mirror out without breaking it?  
> Last time I looked the case seems to be one piece.
>
> 	Oh, it's a 1977, north american of course.
>
> Paul.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 08:22:33 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] wing mirror
In-Reply-To: <C5FC2278-F9B5-4910-A983-B8125C24652E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <886271.38159.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Friends,

Long time, no type.

I write this morning asking for advice.  I'm looking for the style of
wing mirror that is removable from it's base.  e.g., to install a car 
cover or to prevent theft/damage when parked.  I seem to remember them 
from my days gone by - but I'm old and can't quite remember what I can't 
remember...

All advice (about the mirror) is appreciated. :-)

BTW, I traded my MGB for a Ferrari.  Kinda tells you what an MGB is
really worth!!!  Still, it isn't healthy to go too long without an LBC
so I bought a car I've been chasing for 9 years!  Its a '62 TR3b and
its in great shape.  Compared to the MGB, its a tractor. :-P

rick

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 12:24:23 2009
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] No future in marketing... (NSMC)
Message-ID: <51288.88167.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's (NSMC) for No Specific Marque Content.

So pardon this e-intrusion but I have decided that I just can't justify restoring my '61 Mercedes 180b.  The reality hit when the mercury hit 90 degrees F yesterday - and its still April!  Even if the car was working perfectly, I wouldn't dive an un-air conditioned sedan in Houston.  Ergo, it should go to a better home.

So are any of you silly enough to want this car?

PM me at rolindsay at yahoo.com if so.  Thanks and again, this will be my one-and-only marketing post.

regards,

rick - in Houston
PS: No, I have no undiscovered career waiting in marketing

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 15:53:41 2009
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:53:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
In-Reply-To: <8159EF7691414A9A932BA37751A7FD0F@Three>
References: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>
	<40b437200904220936u13625e66o7cd32f1cd8a76784@mail.gmail.com>
	<8159EF7691414A9A932BA37751A7FD0F@Three>
Message-ID: <40b437200904231453q1617f8dscb1755d7bc183c74@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

I don't think so -- I had marked the wires before removing them and I
don't think that the would fot the wrong way round -- the terminals
are different sizes. No, I think that I probably wrecked the bearing
when removing the front plate from the old armature.

I have a spare Miget geenrator -- I'm going to see if I can swap the
rear plate on my MGA generator with that -- then I'll follow Barney's
advice and check the voltage.

Regards,
Simonf

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Reversed polarity or incorrect or faulty wiring?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Something demanding too much current from it?
>
> In an MGA?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 02:00:13 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:00:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Generator front bearing.
References: <20090421.142232.2648.40.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<14E9F82671C342A792AD42C27380A9D5@Three>
	<40b437200904220936u13625e66o7cd32f1cd8a76784@mail.gmail.com>
	<8159EF7691414A9A932BA37751A7FD0F@Three>
	<40b437200904231453q1617f8dscb1755d7bc183c74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBAC446B5A7447659E33A85259AC00C8@Three>

Fair enough.  Excessive heat can really only come from excessive current
(which could also be from an internal short) or excessive friction or bearing
play, and the latter should be detectable by checking the rotor for stiffness
or play.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  I don't think so -- I had marked the wires before removing them and I
  don't think that the would fot the wrong way round -- the terminals
  are different sizes. No, I think that I probably wrecked the bearing
  when removing the front plate from the old armature.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 24 06:50:59 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:50:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] UK Scrappage Scheme
Message-ID: <508000.90296.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I forget who was setting up a petition against this, but you may want to hold off, or at least get the facts straight. According to 
this article, it's NOT a 'we'll buy your car for 2,000 pounds' deal, but a discount on a new car when trading in your 10-year old
(or older) car. And it doesn't seem like the details are fully ironed out yet. Take a look -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/mrmoney/5207883/Darlings-scrappage-scheme-fails-to-deliver.html

So it appears no worries about people going out and looking for old classics to buy for 1,000 pounds and turning around and
getting a cheque for 2,000 pounds from the government!

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 07:51:58 2009
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:51:58 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] UK Scrappage Scheme
Message-ID: <9f2527520904240651g1e00f649i26985b50631231c5@mail.gmail.com>

As those list members in the UK are no doubt aware, our beloved Chancellor
of the Exchequor promised on Wednesday to give a #2000 trade-in on any car
over 10 years old, against any new car.  While this is purpoted to be a
"green" initiative, trading in old cars that don't meet modern pollution
standards, it doesn't actually mandate that the new car be any more
efficient than the one being traded in - and I have no doubt a Land Rover
Discovery pumps out a lot more CO2 than a Morris Minor...

What worries me is that there is no maximum age limit - someone could easily
trade in a slightly tired-looking MG Midget, or Spitfire, or Morris Minor,
or Scimitar, or Dolomite, all of which would probably be worth #1000 or even
less on the open market, to get the full #2k discount off a new car.  I'd
HATE to see any viable classics crushed as an unintended consequence of this
scheme.

Even if this doesn't happen, the scheme is bound to play havoc with the
entire market for sub-#2k used cars.  I'm not enough of an economist (well,
I'm not one at all), so I won't try and predict consequences, but there's
bound to be an effect and it probably won't be good for those at the
economical end of our hobby.

Of course, there's no way anyone's going to pursuade the government to
change their minds on the scheme.  But there is a window, before it comes
into effect, when we just might pursuade them to modify the rules, to
exclude classics - I suggest a (somewhat clumsy and arbitrary, I admit, but
easily understood, defined and enforced) cut-off date of 20 years.  It'll
cost the government nothing, either in terms of face or effectiveness of
this policy.

SO, PLEASE, ALL UK MEMBERS, GO TO THIS PETITION ON THE PRIME MINISTER'S
WEBSITE AND SIGN:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noscrapclassics/


The petition is only open for 1 month, since it needs to close before the
scheme comes into effect, so sign up promptly!  Tell all your friends!

List members outside the UK - sorry, you're not allowed to sign.

Thank you for your attention.

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT), former owner of Daffy ('78 Inca
Yellow Spitfire)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 07:55:04 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:55:04 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] UK Scrappage Scheme
References: <508000.90296.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07B7CCF3FB274753BEE7A40ECE07A851@Three>

Exactly so.  And you have to have owned the car for at least six months, and
had it taxed, insured and MOTd i.e. street legal.  But where that article gets
its #4000 off I don't know, I've not heard of anyone else assuming its #2000
from the government plus #2000 from the dealer.  People could still buy
'classics' for #1000, keep or make them street legal for six months, then
part-ex them for a new car, but how many people who don't have a car at the
moment are going to do that?  Those that do already have another car are
either going to have to sell that, or sell the new one, or be one of a tiny
number who just happen to need a second car in the limited time the scheme is
operating.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  ... So it appears no worries about people going out and looking for old
classics to buy for 1,000 pounds and turning around and getting a cheque for
2,000 pounds from the government! ...

From todd.s.taylor at lmco.com  Fri Apr 24 11:37:05 2009
From: todd.s.taylor at lmco.com (Taylor, Todd S)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 1980 crank pulley
Message-ID: <F56FBA314E8E5A41895F0DA8F6716A6D18CD8A32@emss04m11.us.lmco.com>

I'm looking for a good used crank pulley for the my 1.8l 1980 MGB
engine.

One where the rubber is in good shape..   you can contact me off the
list , 

Thanks 

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 17:16:16 2009
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:16:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
Message-ID: <48720d20904241616w56cab7d2j1eeca93c1510cfdd@mail.gmail.com>

Just got my first two LED 1156 lights. I plan to use one of them for the
added 3rd brake light on my BGT. I',m just wondering if I should also
convert the tail lights on the BGT.

They now have 1156, one "filament", and 1157 two "filament" versions of tail
lights.

Has anyone had any experience with them?

Jack

From james.f.juhas at snet.net  Fri Apr 24 20:46:16 2009
From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (Jim Juhas)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:46:16 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
In-Reply-To: <48720d20904241616w56cab7d2j1eeca93c1510cfdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48720d20904241616w56cab7d2j1eeca93c1510cfdd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49F27978.7080400@snet.net>

I got some for my motorcycles, and after installing them in two 
different bikes, got concerned with how directional they seemed to be.  
One of the bikes, a HD Sportster, was okay because the bulb points back 
parallel with the road.  On the other, a 1981 Virago, the bulb points 
downward and depends on a reflector to spread the beam.  It seemed to be 
much less bright than the incandescent bulb if you viewed at an angle 
slightly off center.  So it never stayed in that bike.  Didn't seem as 
safe and/or obvious to following traffic.  I don't know if this was 
peculiar to the brand I got, but I would suggest you check carefully to 
see if you lose any apparent brightness.

Jim

Jack Feldman wrote:
> Just got my first two LED 1156 lights. I plan to use one of them for the
> added 3rd brake light on my BGT. I',m just wondering if I should also
> convert the tail lights on the BGT.
>
> They now have 1156, one "filament", and 1157 two "filament" versions of tail
> lights.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with them?
>
> Jack
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Apr 25 04:05:00 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:05:00 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
References: <48720d20904241616w56cab7d2j1eeca93c1510cfdd@mail.gmail.com>
	<49F27978.7080400@snet.net>
Message-ID: <37A8E0DEE6574EBCA8828232E86179E7@Three>

Individual LEDs are usually narrow angle, and although the stop/tail versions
I have seen use an array all the elements point straight back.  They seem to
have missed a trick by not fanning them out and getting a better spread.  But
from ones I have seen the tail illumination is noticeably brighter than
incandescent (or that may have been partly due to old bulbs and dusty
reflector) which has the double drawback of not only being dazzling for
following traffic in the wet, but also resulted in their being less
distinction between tail and stop which makes it *easier* for following
drivers to miss you putting on your brakes.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  I got some for my motorcycles, and after installing them in two
  different bikes, got concerned with how directional they seemed to be.

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 26 11:23:50 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:23:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] PLEASANTON, CA BRITISH,
	EUROPEAN & UNIQUE FOREIGN CAR GATHERING
Message-ID: <16250186.1240766630892.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

PLEASANTON,CALIFORNIA EUROPEAN, BRITISH,
AND UNIQUE FOREIGN CAR GATHERING
May 2, 2008, Saturday, 12:00 b 4:00 PM
(Come and go as you please!)

This event is free & open to all owners of European, classic, high
performance and any unique imported cars of particular interest.
Emphasis will be on cars produced pre-1975. Also, unique cars from
other continents welcome as well!  This is a good excuse to take a
drive to a Bay Area destination, blow the cobwebs out of the
carburettors and meet with other local enthusiasts.

NEW LOCATIONb&b&.. Simply Greek Restaurant, 4220-C Rosewood Drive,
Pleasanton, CA - Phone: 925-463-8801 - Website:(www.simply-greek.com)
Conveniently located in the Rose Pavilion near Santa Rita Road & Rose
Pavilion Road (Just minutes from the Hwy 580/Santa Rita Road freeway
exit)

As before, this is an informal, relatively last minute gathering & an
excuse to leave the "Honey Do" list behind as you "run to the hardware
store for some parts." Since the last gathering of about 50 cars, we've
had numerous requests to "Do it again."  So, before the car show season
gets into full swing, here we go again!

We've got considerably more space at the Rose Pavilion as a result
of a number of fairly large businesses that have vacated their
properties.The Simply Greek restaurant parking lot (& adjacent area)
will accommodate upwards of 75 cars. Simply Greek welcomes our
group and offers unique, quality food (consistent with our cars!!).
Within walking distance there are also a few other restaurants
including TGIF, Asian, etc.

As with the last event, the success of the event was largely due to
enthusiasts spreading the word to friends, car clubs and those that
who would like to see a casual collection of unique cars.

THIS EVENT IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE:
- Tired of "American Only" car gatherings with virtually no Foreign,
Euro or interesting (to you) cars on display
- Interested in a Saturday drive destination to meet with other
Foreign car enthusiasts on a beautiful, sunny California day and tell
car "tales"
-  Owner's of a wide range of foreign sports, specialty, high
 performance and unique vehicles are welcome to bring vehicles in any
condition including; "drivers", show level examples, exotics, and even
interesting "RIP" (Restorations in Progress)
- Interested in meeting other foreign car owners and possibly
organizing driving events and other activities for certain types /
groups of cars
- Have a car for sale and would like some free advertising to a group
of potentially interested buyer's

Sound interesting?  If so, please join us for a few hours (or as long
as you care to stay) of very informal socializing and viewing of some
interesting cars. No need to RSVP, sign upb&just show up and let's see
how many cars we can attract.

 For information contact:
 Paul Wankle  <oneprw at sbcglobal.net>

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 26 21:14:58 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:14:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net spring cleaning
Message-ID: <20090427031458.A1BE32E0B8@bradakis.com>

Kind of a cool and rainy Easter here in Salt Lake, no garage work but
spending some time with the computers.  I'm shuffling some stuff around,
updating some software and so on, will be working at it for a while.
So if you experience an hour or two of no connection with Team.Net don't
worry about it too much, it is just me working on stuff.

For those who are not aware, this list and all the others [ see
http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo ] are run by some grumpy old
curmudgeon using a rag-tag batch of hardware set up in my basement
office.  I didn't run an official spring fund drive this year which
helps to defray my out of pocket expenses to keep it all going, but
if you have a dollar or two available to support the whole thing,
see http://www.team.net/donate.html

Thanks,
mjb.

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 07:52:26 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the starter. Addressing the former first -

The pump isn't pumping. It make a constatnt humming and ticking noise (not the usual tick-tick-tick). After letting
it run for 5+ minutes, it hasn't pumped any gas into the fuel filter in the engine compartment. It's an off-brand sort
of pump, not an original to the car. Here is what it sounds like -

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/?action=view&current=P9170036.flv

New SU's from Moss are $150 or so. I know some people run generic pumps with a pressure regulator of some sort, from a
FLAPS. I'm interested in experiences with those sorts of pumps, since we are recovering from a series of money outflows
and I would rather go cheap to get the car back on the road ;-) The current pump in the car is an off-brand Autopulse pump -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9200032.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9200035.jpg

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 07:53:28 2009
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:53:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Mgs] SF BAY AREA MG EVENT! - MGs by the Bay - 5 - 9 - 09
Message-ID: <20504456.1240840408630.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The MG Owners Club presents
        MGs by the Bay
Saturday, May 9, 2009 at The Livery

This annual event is a gathering of MGs from
across Northern California. Starting at 10:00AM,
rain or shine,  with trophies awarded at 2:00 p.m.

Same-day registration opens at 8:00 a.m.

New location in Danville, CA, under the trees at The Livery shopping center!
400 Sycamore Valley Road, in Danville - Just 1  block west off Highway 680

Awards: Judging is by popular vote, with trophies awarded for Peoplebs
Choice, Best Daily Driver, Premier (previous winners), & for every class, with
classes determined according to the number of cars registered by May 1, 2009.

Entries: All MGs are welcome, from daily drivers to complete restorations. The
$25 entry fee includes a dash plaque, an event T-shirt, & special coupons from
our sponsors. Additional cars registered to the same owner are $10 each, which
includes a dash plaque only.  All cars must arrive by 10:00 a.m. sharp! This
is necessary to allow for proper placement of the cars. If you arrive late, we
cannot guarantee placement of your car with others in its class.

Return the registration form below with the entry fee. Photocopies of this
form are acceptable. One form is required for each MG.
************************************************************
Mail before May 1, 2009 - PDF file attached:
Make checks payable to MGOC, MGs by the Bay
For information contact:   415-333-9699 or 925-899-1218
PDF File form available from  our website at: www.MGOC.org

Please Print: MG model: ____________ Year: _______

Name: ______________________________________

Address: ____________________________________

City: ________________________________________

State: _______________ Zip code:________________

Body style: Coupe    Roadster    Saloon    Race car    Other

Car color: ______________  T-shirt size:   M   L   XL   XXL

Email address: ______________________________

Daytime phone: ( ____ ) ______________________

Short description of car:


Has this car ever won First in Class at MGs by the Bay?   Yes   No

Release: Neither I nor my heirs will hold the MG Owners Club or The
Livery Shoping Center liable for any loss, damage, or injury done to
me, or my party, while engaged in this event or traveling to and from
this event.

Signature: ___________________________ Date: ___________

MAIL TO: MGs by the Bay,
                320 B Monterey Blvd.
                San Francisco, CA 94131

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Mon Apr 27 08:06:07 2009
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:06:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD9F@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Personally, I would spend more money and get the SU.

I have run two different aftermarket pumps. The last one was loud and
constantly clicked (as opposed to the SU which stops pumping). Another
one I used years before required a pressure regulator. And although it
stopped like the SU after the bowls were filled, it had a short life as
I went through two of them in my 65B in just a couple of years usage. By
comparison, I have only had one SU fuel pump fail after about 30 years
of service.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B
73 B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:52 AM
To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump

Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the
starter. Addressing the former first -

The pump isn't pumping. It make a constatnt humming and ticking noise
(not the usual tick-tick-tick). After letting
it run for 5+ minutes, it hasn't pumped any gas into the fuel filter in
the engine compartment. It's an off-brand sort
of pump, not an original to the car. Here is what it sounds like -

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
k/?action=view&current=P9170036.flv

New SU's from Moss are $150 or so. I know some people run generic pumps
with a pressure regulator of some sort, from a
FLAPS. I'm interested in experiences with those sorts of pumps, since we
are recovering from a series of money outflows
and I would rather go cheap to get the car back on the road ;-) The
current pump in the car is an off-brand Autopulse pump -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
k/P9200032.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
k/P9200035.jpg

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 08:05:41 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ABC5D33B1B54074810111F875CEFFB6@Three>

Crikey, sounds like the engine running!  Whatever, if it ain't pumping it
ain't no good.  Sure you have enough petrol in the tank?  Have you tried
sucking on the inlet pipe to see if you can pull any up (some clear pipe on
the mouth end might be best!)?  Could be blocked or perforated above fuel
level.  Have you tried blowing into the outlet pipe to check that is clear?
Assuming the float chambers aren't already full, that is, and if they are
simply run the engine till it conks out.  And, erm, are you sure you have the
pipes connected the right way round?  Sucking on what you think is the outlet
should reveal that, or maybe blowing and listening for bubbling in the tank.

What's up with the starter?  When you turn the key to crank that should
operate a relay by the fusebox with a click.  That should operate the solenoid
with a clunk, which will drown out the relay click.  And the solenoid should
cause the starter to grind, which will drown out it's clonk.  So just what
noises do you get and not get?

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the
starter.

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon Apr 27 09:11:51 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:11:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
Message-ID: <20090427.111336.1948.21.MGBOB@juno.com>

Jack,
   One of the MGB owners in our club has installed LEDs from  
Superbrightleds.com in his car and is pleased with them. I have not seen
them.  He directed me to the Superbrightleds.com site ( careful -- there
is another that is similar in name ).  They offer their first LED that
directs its light mostly straight back and another that has a cluster of
LEDs around the perimeter that, they say, makes a wider light more like
1157 bulb.  Friend said that there was less current draw in the turn
signal circuit so he found it necessary to change the signal flasher. 
   Before the LED lights came to present price level I added an
additional light socket & bulb to the MGB flat-lens tailights. Drilled
through the flat chrome area in the casting and wired new socket into
existing wires.  Later I followed the suggestion in Rick Astley's book
and installed relays at the rear for both brake and turn circuits.  Brake
lights are noticeably brighter than before; turn signals work much
better. They are brighter in the front as well.
Bob

 
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:16:16 -0500 Jack Feldman <qualitas.jack at gmail.com>
writes:
> Just got my first two LED 1156 lights. I plan to use one of them for 
> the added 3rd brake light on my BGT. I',m just wondering if I should 
> also convert the tail lights on the BGT.
> 
> They now have 1156, one "filament", and 1157 two "filament" versions 
> of tail lights.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with them?
> 
> Jack
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 09:18:33 2009
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Re:  Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <4ABC5D33B1B54074810111F875CEFFB6@Three>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4ABC5D33B1B54074810111F875CEFFB6@Three>
Message-ID: <61688.98770.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Paul, yep, there is 3/4 of a tank. And I haven't done anything to the pump, it has been installed since I have had the car (1988). So it's
certainly not installed incorrectly. As far as a blockage, I guess that's a possibility that I will examine before getting a new pump.

Starter-wise, it turned over fine yesterday (with plugs removed) and when I stopped cranking it (after cranking it for about 10 seconds), it
only 'clicks'. But I haven't done anything about it yet, since it's kind of a moot point with no fuel. The battery is freshly charged but I will
hook one of my other cars up (and tighten the cables) before I go mucking around with the starter.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer
'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/





________________________________
From: Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>; mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:05:41 AM
Subject: [MG-MGB] Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pump

Crikey, sounds like the engine running!  Whatever, if it ain't pumping it ain't no good.  Sure you have enough petrol in the tank?  Have you tried sucking on the inlet pipe to see if you can pull any up (some clear pipe on the mouth end might be best!)?  Could be blocked or perforated above fuel level.  Have you tried blowing into the outlet pipe to check that is clear?  Assuming the float chambers aren't already full, that is, and if they are simply run the engine till it conks out.  And, erm, are you sure you have the pipes connected the right way round?  Sucking on what you think is the outlet should reveal that, or maybe blowing and listening for bubbling in the tank.

What's up with the starter?  When you turn the key to crank that should operate a relay by the fusebox with a click.  That should operate the solenoid with a clunk, which will drown out the relay click.  And the solenoid should cause the starter to grind, which will drown out it's clonk.  So just what noises do you get and not get?

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the starter.

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From barrie at look.ca  Mon Apr 27 09:21:44 2009
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD9F@EXVS01.msubilling s.edu>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229FD9F@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <E1LySfF-0007xR-F4@theta.look.ca>

  I tried a "reasonably" priced pump - It was a Facet because I had 
heard it was good (and I had heard that it was bad).  It just did not 
perform so I went to an SU which was "on sale" and since then - no 
bother.  If you get an SU use a Moss distributor like the Little 
British Car Co in Detroit and get 15% off !!


At 10:06 AM 4/27/2009, Councill, David wrote:
>Personally, I would spend more money and get the SU.
>
>I have run two different aftermarket pumps. The last one was loud and
>constantly clicked (as opposed to the SU which stops pumping). Another
>one I used years before required a pressure regulator. And although it
>stopped like the SU after the bowls were filled, it had a short life as
>I went through two of them in my 65B in just a couple of years usage. By
>comparison, I have only had one SU fuel pump fail after about 30 years
>of service.
>
>David Councill
>67 BGT
>72 B
>73 B
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
>Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:52 AM
>To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; MG List
>Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
>
>Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the
>starter. Addressing the former first -
>
>The pump isn't pumping. It make a constatnt humming and ticking noise
>(not the usual tick-tick-tick). After letting
>it run for 5+ minutes, it hasn't pumped any gas into the fuel filter in
>the engine compartment. It's an off-brand sort
>of pump, not an original to the car. Here is what it sounds like -
>
>http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
>k/?action=view&current=P9170036.flv
>
>New SU's from Moss are $150 or so. I know some people run generic pumps
>with a pressure regulator of some sort, from a
>FLAPS. I'm interested in experiences with those sorts of pumps, since we
>are recovering from a series of money outflows
>and I would rather go cheap to get the car back on the road ;-) The
>current pump in the car is an off-brand Autopulse pump -
>
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
>k/P9200032.jpg
>
>http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Wor
>k/P9200035.jpg
>
>Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
>  Dan D
>Central NJ USA
>'76 MGB Tourer
>'65 MGB Tourer (Project)
>NAMGBR #5-2328
>http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
>http://dans76b.blogspot.com/
>http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html
>http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 09:50:12 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:50:12 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
References: <20090427.111336.1948.21.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A724832666AC47EB8246D604474F104A@Three>

That's something else you need to be careful of.  LED turn signal 'bulbs' need
a load resistor at each light unit or the flasher unit will operate in 'bulb
failure' mode, and this is for both the original 2-wire MGB flasher units and
the modern 3-wire electronic units.  I have seen flasher units specifically
for LED bulbs, but the supplier admitted there was no 'bulb failure' mode (to
indicate a problem in the wiring connections anyway), this is a safety hazard.
And either OE use of LEDs has abandoned the bulb failure mode, which I find
amazing, or they use a load resistor at a position in the physical circuit
where there can still be a failure beyond it.  A Range Rover forced me to take
avoiding action by turning without indicating - or so I thought, but just as I
was about to give him the finger I could see his side repeater flashing when
his rear light unit wasn't.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  Friend said that there was less current draw in the turn
  signal circuit so he found it necessary to change the signal flasher.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 09:42:35 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:42:35 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Re:  Fuel Pump
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4ABC5D33B1B54074810111F875CEFFB6@Three>
	<61688.98770.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FA30F7825B6D4F51BA8E9EE5F18913B3@Three>

OK, suck on the inlet hose and see if you can pull anything up, and blow in
the outlet to see if its clear.

If the solenoid is giving a single 'clonk' then either its contacts have got
too burnt to function, or there is a brush, comm or winding problem with the
motor itself.  With this latter possibility if you can turn the motor a bit
and then it cranks OK, it's probably that.  If no difference then probably
solenoid.  Some starters have an exposed copper link between solenoid and
motor, so by putting a meter or test-lamp on that and trying again it will
prove it back to the solenoid (no voltage) or in the motor (voltage).
Solenoids can usually be dismantled and cleaned up, maybe the bridge bar
turned over to use a new surface of that half of the contacts anyway.  It also
relies on the flywheel side of the mechanism being allowed to move forwards
far enough i.e. moving the pinion into the flywheel before the bridge on the
back will extend power to the motor to spin it, so possibly something is
blocking that.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  Paul, yep, there is 3/4 of a tank. And I haven't done anything to the pump,
it has been installed since I have had the car (1988). So it's
  certainly not installed incorrectly. As far as a blockage, I guess that's a
possibility that I will examine before getting a new pump.

  Starter-wise, it turned over fine yesterday (with plugs removed) and when I
stopped cranking it (after cranking it for about 10 seconds), it
  only 'clicks'.

From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 10:09:29 2009
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
Message-ID: <48720d20904270909t64ac5ac3se8150d38f5952143@mail.gmail.com>

The little cube fuel pumps are O.K.

Not knowing how old my SU was, I bought a cube from JC Whitney. It came
without any markings on it at all. The one I just ordered from Whitney said
Purolator on it, even though the catalog showed a picture of the Fawcett
(sp?). They come in several pressures, including the 3 1/2 lb pressure
needed for an MG.

All three of my cars had them installed as auxiliary pumps. Coming back from
MG 2008 my car stopped dead. A flick of the switch to the cube pump got me
going again. The car has been running on the cube pump since then. No
paroblems. I plan to replace the SU with another cube shortly.

BTW, the price for the same pump at Moss is laughable. about 2X to going
price elsewhere. At Moss it is always buyer beware.

Oh, and my NAPA store no longer caries the cube.

Jack

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Mon Apr 27 10:23:33 2009
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:23:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Re:  Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <61688.98770.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4ABC5D33B1B54074810111F875CEFFB6@Three>
	<61688.98770.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E04F910-C11A-49D4-807A-BE0F4D04404A@trebelhorn.com>

I've been using a generic square solid-state pump for... wow, 18+  
years (!?!) on my MGB.  Used it with SUs, used it with a Weber, used  
it for well over 150,000 miles.  Still going.

As has been pointed out, there are various versions, which supply  
varying levels of fuel pressure  -- we want the lowest; usually  
marked as (I think) 2-4 psi.

Mine only makes noise when it's empty.  Turn the ignition on, wait  
for the pump to quiet down (indicating the carb is primed), hit the  
starter.  There are rubber mounts available as well, to quiet it down  
further.

Matt

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 27 11:05:38 2009
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:05:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
References: <48720d20904270909t64ac5ac3se8150d38f5952143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADFAB88246145F4A08C126F9719B2E9@Larry>

Jack, you can find them cheaper yet at Aircraft Spruce 
www.aircraftspruce.com.  $31.50

For the rubber mount that Matt mentioned, try an MGB gearbox mount.  Moss 
#413-050

Larry Daniels


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Feldman" <qualitas.jack at gmail.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump


The little cube fuel pumps are O.K.

Not knowing how old my SU was, I bought a cube from JC Whitney. It came
without any markings on it at all. The one I just ordered from Whitney said
Purolator on it, even though the catalog showed a picture of the Fawcett
(sp?). They come in several pressures, including the 3 1/2 lb pressure
needed for an MG.

All three of my cars had them installed as auxiliary pumps. Coming back from
MG 2008 my car stopped dead. A flick of the switch to the cube pump got me
going again. The car has been running on the cube pump since then. No
paroblems. I plan to replace the SU with another cube shortly.

BTW, the price for the same pump at Moss is laughable. about 2X to going
price elsewhere. At Moss it is always buyer beware.

Oh, and my NAPA store no longer caries the cube.

Jack
_______________________________________________

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 11:23:22 2009
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <CADFAB88246145F4A08C126F9719B2E9@Larry>
References: <48720d20904270909t64ac5ac3se8150d38f5952143@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADFAB88246145F4A08C126F9719B2E9@Larry>
Message-ID: <901CB371-58E2-42DD-906C-4841F8902D92@gmail.com>

Barney's site has a good deal about the fuel pump. He also suggests a  
mount from NAPA. Forget what it is.
Consult http://mgaguru.com

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:

> Jack, you can find them cheaper yet at Aircraft Spruce
> www.aircraftspruce.com.  $31.50
>
> For the rubber mount that Matt mentioned, try an MGB gearbox mount.   
> Moss
> #413-050
>
> Larry Daniels
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Feldman" <qualitas.jack at gmail.com>
> To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:09 AM
> Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
>
>
> The little cube fuel pumps are O.K.
>
> Not knowing how old my SU was, I bought a cube from JC Whitney. It  
> came
> without any markings on it at all. The one I just ordered from  
> Whitney said
> Purolator on it, even though the catalog showed a picture of the  
> Fawcett
> (sp?). They come in several pressures, including the 3 1/2 lb pressure
> needed for an MG.
>
> All three of my cars had them installed as auxiliary pumps. Coming  
> back from
> MG 2008 my car stopped dead. A flick of the switch to the cube pump  
> got me
> going again. The car has been running on the cube pump since then. No
> paroblems. I plan to replace the SU with another cube shortly.
>
> BTW, the price for the same pump at Moss is laughable. about 2X to  
> going
> price elsewhere. At Moss it is always buyer beware.
>
> Oh, and my NAPA store no longer caries the cube.
>
> Jack
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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Mon Apr 27 16:45:11 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9c789$d3920960$7ab61c20$@net>

I just went through the same issues.  I converted from a Weber back to SUs.
The pump I was using with the Weber was to high in pressure, the Weber will
tolerate more variance than the SUs.  I tried the regulator route and ended
up on the side of the road twice.  It seems like the regulators are more for
taking 20lbs. down to 5 or 6 not to take 10 down to 3.  The regulator
completely stopped the fuel from flowing at all, and this was hit or miss,
talk about a pain when on the freeway.  Anyway I ended up getting a new pump
from Napa, it is part no. P74029, it has a lifetime warranty and cost 59.50.
It was a little more than I wanted to spend since I had a working pump to
start with.  As an aside, I walked into NAPA and asked to look at their book
to locate a pump with the 3-4 pounds of pressure I needed and they were very
helpful.  (this pump is very quiet, it runs constantly, no CLICK CLICK
CLICK)

Hope this helps someone.

Chad '72B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:52 AM
To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump

Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the
starter. Addressing the former first -

The pump isn't pumping. It make a constatnt humming and ticking noise (not
the usual tick-tick-tick). After letting
it run for 5+ minutes, it hasn't pumped any gas into the fuel filter in the
engine compartment. It's an off-brand sort
of pump, not an original to the car. Here is what it sounds like -

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/?a
ction=view&current=P9170036.flv

New SU's from Moss are $150 or so. I know some people run generic pumps with
a pressure regulator of some sort, from a
FLAPS. I'm interested in experiences with those sorts of pumps, since we are
recovering from a series of money outflows
and I would rather go cheap to get the car back on the road ;-) The current
pump in the car is an off-brand Autopulse pump -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9
200032.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9
200035.jpg

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Mon Apr 27 16:54:10 2009
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:54:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump
In-Reply-To: <000001c9c789$d3920960$7ab61c20$@net>
References: <662976.87730.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000001c9c789$d3920960$7ab61c20$@net>
Message-ID: <000701c9c78b$13d30d70$3b792850$@net>

I just looked Barney has this pump listed as running over 100K Miles..  I
feel even better now.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chad Cooper
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:45 PM
To: 'Dan DiBiase'; mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; 'MG List'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel Pump

I just went through the same issues.  I converted from a Weber back to SUs.
The pump I was using with the Weber was to high in pressure, the Weber will
tolerate more variance than the SUs.  I tried the regulator route and ended
up on the side of the road twice.  It seems like the regulators are more for
taking 20lbs. down to 5 or 6 not to take 10 down to 3.  The regulator
completely stopped the fuel from flowing at all, and this was hit or miss,
talk about a pain when on the freeway.  Anyway I ended up getting a new pump
from Napa, it is part no. P74029, it has a lifetime warranty and cost 59.50.
It was a little more than I wanted to spend since I had a working pump to
start with.  As an aside, I walked into NAPA and asked to look at their book
to locate a pump with the 3-4 pounds of pressure I needed and they were very
helpful.  (this pump is very quiet, it runs constantly, no CLICK CLICK
CLICK)

Hope this helps someone.

Chad '72B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dan DiBiase
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:52 AM
To: mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com; MG List
Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Pump

Ok, so I have 2 issues with the '76B - the fuel pump doesn't, and the
starter. Addressing the former first -

The pump isn't pumping. It make a constatnt humming and ticking noise (not
the usual tick-tick-tick). After letting
it run for 5+ minutes, it hasn't pumped any gas into the fuel filter in the
engine compartment. It's an off-brand sort
of pump, not an original to the car. Here is what it sounds like -

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/?a
ction=view&current=P9170036.flv

New SU's from Moss are $150 or so. I know some people run generic pumps with
a pressure regulator of some sort, from a
FLAPS. I'm interested in experiences with those sorts of pumps, since we are
recovering from a series of money outflows
and I would rather go cheap to get the car back on the road ;-) The current
pump in the car is an off-brand Autopulse pump -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9
200032.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ddibiase/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/P9
200035.jpg

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 28 01:56:45 2009
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:56:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] LED Tail Lights
References: <20090427.111336.1948.21.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<A724832666AC47EB8246D604474F104A@Three>
	<48720d20904270858t3d6a8214r8b9fc85aeebb0622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FCBCB570AE14237A6F1E5807FB01932@Three>

I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.  They are designed to flash anything
from one to four bulbs i.e. are apparently load independent but at least one
needs to be incandescent to draw sufficient current to operate the units we
use.  Because of this hazard flasher units could in theory be used to flash
turn signals and overcome the problems of bad connections.  But hazard
flashers have an additional (as well as no 'bulb failure warning') safety
hazard when used as turn signal flashers.  When you operate the turn signal
with the correct flasher unit the lights come on *immediately*, then start to
flash off-on-off-on.  But when you turn on hazards there is a significant
pause with no lights before they start flashing on-off-on-off.  That pause
outweighs many times any gain in illumination time of LEDs compared to
incandescents and is a massive safety hazard.  It goes against the
improvements made by pedal operated brake switches as opposed to fluid
pressure and third brake lights to name but two.  Cars with OE LEDs probably
use a 3-wire electronic hazard flasher unit which is completely independent of
lamp load, as the LED specific turn flasher unit seems to be.

Paul.
  ----- Original Message -----
  Now I'm curious if the emergency flasher module will flash LEDs. I just
might get some and give it a try.

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 30 08:31:18 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Fw: EyesOn Design Car Show
Message-ID: <513805.41958.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers,


I am trying to locate 10-12 cars for a British Sports Car section at the
EyesOn Design Car Show being held June 21 in Grosse Pointe
Shores, Michigan. I would like to have a good cross section of cars,
from all of the manufacturers. Our only requirement is that the cars are
to have been built prior to around 1970.

If you are interested in showing your car, please let me know off list.

More information at http://eyesondesigncarshow.com.

Cheers,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net