From barneymg at mgaguru.com Sat Nov 1 04:29:09 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:29:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Master cylinder - size of ports -1600 MKII In-Reply-To: <4909BBFC.4030106@bellsouth.net> References: <49092B2A.5040806@bellsouth.net> <8B020F2A32694919B72099BE007DC5E3@Three> <4909BBFC.4030106@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20081101112923.A69C418797E@autox.team.net> At 08:51 AM 10/30/2008 -0500, Pat Harris wrote: >.... >"Blocked port" aspect. When the piston in the master cylinder is in >its correct "at rest position" is the only pathway for fluid to >return to the master cylinder via this small port? Yes. >If so should pushing the caliper piston back into the caliper cause >the brake fluid to move into the master cylinder via this pathway? Yes. >If so, would this then be an indication that the small port was not blocked? >.... Yes. However, if the master cylinder piston was sticking in the bore and not returning all the way to rest position the little hole would still be blocked which could cause brake drag. Pushing a slave piston back in the bore may produce enough pressure in the line to pop the master cylinder piston back to the rest position giving the impression that all is well when it isn't. You still need to determine where the fluid return restriction is happening. If you crack the line fitting at the master cylinder and the pressure is relieved, then you know the problem is inside the master cylinder. When the master piston is returning properly to rest position, but you still have restriction to return flow, then check the slow return restrictor valve in the brake master cylinder bore. This could be malfunctioning to stop back flow at low pressure. This is a check valve with a slow return bleed orifice. It should allow free flow of fluid in the forward direction for quick application of brakes, and give slow return of fluid in the reverse direction (via a small open orifice) so you can "pump up" the brakes if you have long pedal travel. The small open orifice is supposed to allow fluid to slowly return dropping to zero pressure in the line. If the small return orifice is clogged it can give the symptoms you describe, allowing some fluid to return at moderate pressure (by upsetting the entire valve assembly from the seat in bottom of bore) but holding a small amount of residual pressure in the line (due to spring force against the check valve assembly). In other words, if the return orifice is clogged it will act like a pressure relief valve to maintain a certain amount of pressure in the line (similar to the pressure relief valve in the engine oil system). Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 2 15:36:42 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Various car parts & car projects for sale Message-ID: <8C56CDCF6347478292F0200E193BD9DA@Larry> Here is an email I just received regarding some small foreign cars for sale. In case somebody may have an interest in any of these cars, Muskego is just south of Milwaukee. =============================================== Hi Automotive Enthusiasts, Yesterday morning I viewed a large collection of various makes of cars & trucks (estimating 50-60), the vehicles are mostly parts cars/trucks, major restoration projects, cars/trucks that may be suited to hot-rodding and there are a few vehicles that might require little work! The property/car owner has been instructed to remove said unsheltered-vehicles off his premises by December or the township will send them to the shredder & bill him. I'd hate to see that happen to the some of the nice & rare vehicles! There were no high end vehicles, exotic cars. But there were a number of unique vehicles that you hardly see anymore! The nicest ones were on his driveway; -Simca sportscar with an alloy front end (there was another one w/o the alloy front end) -1970's Toyota Celica -1960's yellow Fiat 600 looked to be set up for AX -1950's-60's Light blue & white Hillman Husky (interior needed to be redone) -think it was a black 1950's Pontiac sedan that had a roll cage, the thought was to do the Pan-American Carrera race? He also had various Sunbeams such as Rapiers, Minxs, Alpine (garage), MG Midgets, Austin Healy Sprites. Hillman Huskies, Honda 500/600s, Fiat 500/600s, 1960's Datsun pickup truck, 1961 Datsun 1200 Bluebird sedan, tube frame stock car chassis, tube frame off road chassis, 1950-60's Volvo station wagon, there were various American cars (no muscle cars). Do recall he had a Traveller, a few service vehicles, one of the type that would have been suited as a "Book-mobile" or a race car transporter/camper. 4-5 1980-90's Isuzu Troopers (SUV). Sorry can't remember all the vehicles, their conditions, etc. But if you have any interest or know of anyone who might, you/they can contact the owner. His name is Russell, his #(262) 679-2305. He does have a Craigs List ad under Hillman/Sunbeam cars for sale. He is located in Muskego, WI east of I43 off of Racine Ave. If you have any interest, I'd call right away for a viewing since he's been selling a number of vehicles already! Don't drive a low riding vehicle there such as a sports car since it's a very long hilly, gravel & dirt driveway! Regards, Masaya From nsippel at mindspring.com Mon Nov 3 09:15:04 2008 From: nsippel at mindspring.com (Norm) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:15:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Engine Pickup in Lake Forest, IL Message-ID: <003701c93dcf$564f6c20$6401a8c0@normoffice> Greetings, all. I'm buying an engine from someone in Lake Forest, IL and am seeking anyone who might be coming from, or through, that area to the southeast (Atlanta, Tampa) in the near future with some space in a trailer for this one (complete) engine that weighs about 250 lbs. I know it's not racing season, when many people make that trip, but, if anyone knows of an individual or a race team that might be coming this way, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. Thanks. Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa Romeo From twobees at sprynet.com Mon Nov 3 09:37:21 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Engine Pickup in Lake Forest, IL Message-ID: <004701c93dd2$7275f790$6401a8c0@normoffice> Greetings, all. I'm buying an engine from someone in Lake Forest, IL and am seeking anyone who might be coming from, or through, that area to the southeast (Atlanta, Tampa) in the near future with some space in a trailer for this one (complete) engine that weighs about 250 lbs. I know it's not racing season, when many people make that trip, but, if anyone knows of an individual or a race team that might be coming this way, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. Thanks. Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa Romeo From rstarkweather at scottmadden.com Mon Nov 3 09:44:49 2008 From: rstarkweather at scottmadden.com (Rick Starkweather) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:44:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Engine Pickup in Lake Forest, IL In-Reply-To: <004701c93dd2$7275f790$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <004701c93dd2$7275f790$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <90DED534722DF743BE72362E64A59C530217C125@scottmadden.adtimail.com> Norm: If you can get it to Detroit, MI by Thanksgiving, I can get it to Greenville, SC by early December. Rick Starkweather, Partner | O: 919-781-4191 | M: 919-345-9871 ScottMadden Inc. | 2626 Glenwood Ave, #480 | Raleigh, NC 27608 | scottmadden.com rstarkweather at scottmadden.com -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norm 2Bs Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:37 AM To: 750 101 Digest; MGVR at yahoogroups.com; Vintage Racing Digest Cc: Spridgets Digest; MG Digest Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Engine Pickup in Lake Forest, IL Greetings, all. I'm buying an engine from someone in Lake Forest, IL and am seeking anyone who might be coming from, or through, that area to the southeast (Atlanta, Tampa) in the near future with some space in a trailer for this one (complete) engine that weighs about 250 lbs. I know it's not racing season, when many people make that trip, but, if anyone knows of an individual or a race team that might be coming this way, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. Thanks. Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa Romeo You are subscribed as rstarkweather at scottmadden.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive ********************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission contains information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please delete this message and any attachments from your system without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. 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Thanks, Larry Daniels From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 4 21:10:13 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:10:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] MGC in Hemmings Sports and Exotics In-Reply-To: <602544AACFF24C8B92E41E7E57EC77B9@Larry> Message-ID: <913436.64004.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many of you get this fine publication; for those of you who don't there was an interesting article on the MGC. does anyone want my copy? i'm ready to pitch it. From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 4 21:16:57 2008 From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGC in Hemmings Sports and Exotics In-Reply-To: <913436.64004.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oliver, Would you be able to scan it and post it to a web site? That way, many could enjoy the article. Thanks, Eric -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:10 PM To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MGC in Hemmings Sports and Exotics Many of you get this fine publication; for those of you who don't there was an interesting article on the MGC. does anyone want my copy? i'm ready to pitch it. You are subscribed as ericemarkley at bellsouth.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: 11/4/2008 8:26 AM From frankk12 at verizon.net Wed Nov 5 04:54:29 2008 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (Frankk) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Lawrie Rhodes Message-ID: <002a01c93f3d$42665f10$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Does anyone have contact infor for Lawrie Rhodes? Thanks. Frank Krajewski From mgbob at juno.com Wed Nov 5 07:36:50 2008 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Seeking Lawrie Rhodes Message-ID: <20081105.095950.2748.3.MGBOB@juno.com> Hi Frank, E. Lawrie Rhoads has an advert in the T-Register's TSO, showing phone 508-359-2077 and email as elawrene at verizon.net. Bob On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:54:29 -0500 "Frankk" writes: > Does anyone have contact infor for Lawrie Rhodes? Thanks. > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgbob at juno.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oIayHzUNqJ90fWYE01S5F4kAv2eyRotMOqqc5xzJbzT9lkR/ From barrie at look.ca Wed Nov 5 07:34:09 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: 1936 Stainless Steel Ford Message-ID: >>---------- >> >> >> > >> >> This is the 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by Allegheny Ludlum >> >> Steel. This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in >> >> running & in road worthy condition. The car is in exceptional condition, >> >> with the interior and even the frame looking great. All 4 cars each had >> >> over 200,000 miles on them before they removed them from service. >> > >> > These cars were built for Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects. >> > The top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive >> > them >> > for one year. The v-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was >> > surprisingly smooth and quite. I thought this was a much better looking >> > automobile than the Ford Thunderbird that visited us last year. FYI, the >> > car was insured (we were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered >> > trailer >> > for 1.5 million dollars. >> > >> > We were also told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car >> > parts,making these the last of these cars ever produced. More information >> > of the history on these automobiles can be found at Allegheny Ludlum's >> > website >> > >> http://www.alleghenyludlum.com/pages/companyinfo/stainlesscars.asp >> > http://www.alleghenyludlum.com/pages/companyinfo/stainlesscars.asp >> > >> >> >>---------- >> > >Regards >Barrie > >Barrie Robinson >(705) 721-9060 >http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm >http://www.britcot.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 2F8471F7C58E4856B57EAC6C67E91C90.jpg"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1EB51A52217142E790DA2CE243E97CDD.jpg"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of F808DB452452400DABD7BBDB37DA19F0.jpg"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BA3B621E2E7C48E59103BBA4B4735B88.jpg"; x-mac-type="4A504547"; x-mac-creator="4A565752] From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Nov 5 11:35:40 2008 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:40 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Clock References: <602544AACFF24C8B92E41E7E57EC77B9@Larry> Message-ID: <912B3BC7B764444B81B3F96540244450@uw471de61b465c> Hi Larry, I have a brand new official British Leyland accesory clock for the MGB for sale. It is not the U.K. Lucas, but the German Kienzle made. Style fits with the chrome bumper dash and is ready to be equipped with a typical MGB gauge lamp fitting. Transportation and payment to be settled - I live near Amsterdam. Cheers, Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Mgs] MGB Clock > The clock in my wife's 79 MGB runs fine, but can not be adjusted other > than by > killing the power to it until the time matches. Any easy fix for that? > > Or... absent an easy repair, does anybody have a fully functional clock > for > sale? > > Thanks, > > Larry Daniels From battanhr at comcast.net Wed Nov 5 13:43:52 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:43:52 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Early MGB master cylinder available In-Reply-To: <20081002231539.KQ01E.530930.imail@eastrmwml28> References: <20081002231539.KQ01E.530930.imail@eastrmwml28> Message-ID: <22067E6694FC4EA2AE7278E7CD210C29@xps410> Folks, when I bought my '57 MGA back in '75 there was a spare master cylinder in the boot. It was not for an MGA, but it looks exactly like Moss part number 180-755 for early MGBs. I have no use for it, but don't want to discard it. It looks like the one on page 54 of the Moss 2008 MGB catalog. If anybody wants it, he can have it for the price of postage. I have pictures I can send if you are interested. I have no idea of the internal condition. Howard Battan '54 MGTF '57 MGA '79 MGB From mark at bradakis.com Wed Nov 5 21:37:28 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:37:28 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: 1936 Stainless Steel Ford In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49127488.2090806@bradakis.com> The email server does not allow attachments such as pictures. If you go to http://www.team.net/forums and register, you can post photos and such there. mjb. From cyberemp at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 13:18:35 2008 From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:18:35 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Webber carb question, and 71 mgb 4 sale. Message-ID: <110620082018.19304.4913511A000F12DD00004B6822165279669F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net> Greetings wise and illustrious MG list members. FIrst, I've rebuilt the webber carb on my 65 mgb, and it runs even worse than it did before. seems too rich. Much too rich. carb float bowl adjusted, and "top fits all the way down" on carb. body. I put smaller air and fuel jets in, (came with delux rebuil kit) I've tried to find vacuum leaks. Called it names, nothing has worked. Any ideas appreciated. Second, I've finally run out of parking spaces. I'm selling my 71 mgb. Located in the San Francisco Bay Area. 71 MGB # GHN5UB 220942 G engine # 18GK-WE-H-1768 Man 9/70 stock color orange, black int. This car is a major project. #s match for motor though. Of course I'd rather you fix it than part it out. 4 speed, wire wheel car. Engine ran when I parked it a year or two ago. Both floors rusted badly. Flintstone mobile. Car was near coast, so has more rust than usual for this state, despite the fact that it's a California car. Pics and more info on request. Any reasonable offer considered $500 takes it away, bring a leash. Eric -- 1946 MG-TC Car # 1354 X-pag# 1945 Stock black, green interior ( I think they all were at that point of mfg.) 1959 MGA HDL43/65240 Engine # BP15GB 13501 (Early 1956 motor. Balanced, reground isky cam about the same as the moss fast road cam grind. Oversize mgb valves.Sacraligeous overdrive. Yea, that's my baby :-) Stock Glacier blue, black int. white piping.(or was it grey?) 65 mgb #GHN3L/ 55205 no engine plate Green, black w/ white piping interior 1970 MGB # GHN5UA217587 G Engine # 18G-WE-H-42967 Man 8/70 stock color Flame red. Black int. 71 MGB # GHN5UB 220942 G engine # 18GK-WE-H-1768 Man 9/70 stock color orange, black int. 74.5 MGB# GHN5UE364051 G Engine # (to be filled in later). white with black int. (Wrong color to go with those Gigantibumpers). 00 Nissan X-Terra <---For sale soon. 74 F-250 (future project hauler to and from paint shop) So many cars, so little parking From ejrussell at mebtel.net Thu Nov 6 13:26:17 2008 From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] email list or forum? References: Message-ID: Is a switch to 'forums' something on our horizon or just something you are playing with? Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > The email server does not allow attachments such as pictures. If > you go > to http://www.team.net/forums and register, you can post photos > and such there. From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 7 12:47:03 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:47:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mgs] Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina Message-ID: <22002985.1226087224116.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FYI - Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina Rick Feibusch Venice, CA -----Forwarded Message----- Subject: Trailer For Sale Hi Rick, I want to get rid of my flat bed trailer that I had custom built for transporting my MG T-series cars and the Triumph TR6 Has a power winch and front shileld to protect the cars from stones etc. Excellent condition throughout. Needs nothing. Located on Hilton Head Island in South Carolina I have moved and have limited space. The trailer has always been kept under cover. $2,500 Geoff Wheatley Phone:843-341-6155 MDGIGEOFFREY at AOL.COM From tr6 at pipeline.com Fri Nov 7 15:13:13 2008 From: tr6 at pipeline.com (Ronald Olds) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:13:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina In-Reply-To: <22002985.1226087224116.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I wish you would have posted this last week. I was in the area with my vehicle and could have brought it home with me. It sounds like just what I was looking for. Ron Olds -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:47 PM To: morris at autox.team.net; riley at autox.team.net Cc: MDGIGEOFFREY at AOL.COM; mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina FYI - Trailer for sale - located in South Carolina Rick Feibusch Venice, CA -----Forwarded Message----- Subject: Trailer For Sale Hi Rick, I want to get rid of my flat bed trailer that I had custom built for transporting my MG T-series cars and the Triumph TR6 Has a power winch and front shileld to protect the cars from stones etc. Excellent condition throughout. Needs nothing. Located on Hilton Head Island in South Carolina I have moved and have limited space. The trailer has always been kept under cover. $2,500 Geoff Wheatley Phone:843-341-6155 MDGIGEOFFREY at AOL.COM You are subscribed as tr6 at pipeline.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From battanhr at comcast.net Fri Nov 7 15:51:57 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:51:57 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Webber carb question, and 71 mgb 4 sale. In-Reply-To: <110620082018.19304.4913511A000F12DD00004B6822165279669F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net> References: <110620082018.19304.4913511A000F12DD00004B6822165279669F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <766285C896E445CB94AD5341350662D7@xps410> Which Weber carb is it? I have a Weber DGES 38/38 (no-progressive) on my '79 MGB. When I got the car it was also quite rich, and stumbled badly on take-off. My mechanic checked around and decided that the accelerator jet was too large, got me a smaller one, and it runs great now and turns in 26-28 MPG on the road. Howard Battan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MG LIST" Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: [Mgs] Webber carb question, and 71 mgb 4 sale. > Greetings wise and illustrious MG list members. > FIrst, I've rebuilt the webber carb on my 65 mgb, and it runs even worse > than > it did before. > seems too rich. Much too rich. carb float bowl adjusted, and "top fits > all the way down" on carb. body. I put smaller air and fuel jets in, (came > with > delux rebuil kit) I've tried to find vacuum leaks. Called it names, > nothing has > worked. Any ideas appreciated. From battanhr at comcast.net Fri Nov 7 15:54:40 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:54:40 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Early MGB master cylinder available In-Reply-To: <22067E6694FC4EA2AE7278E7CD210C29@xps410> References: <20081002231539.KQ01E.530930.imail@eastrmwml28> <22067E6694FC4EA2AE7278E7CD210C29@xps410> Message-ID: <6DC8536B0CE74A1C8C4BC9051DCB34E7@xps410> To all of you who have asked, the MGB master cylinder is spoken for. Howard Subject: [Mgs] Early MGB master cylinder available > Folks, when I bought my '57 MGA back in '75 there was a spare master > cylinder in the boot. It was not for an MGA, but it looks exactly like > Moss part number 180-755 for early MGBs. I have no use for it, but don't > want to discard it. It looks like the one on page 54 of the Moss 2008 MGB > catalog. If anybody wants it, he can have it for the price of postage. I > have pictures I can send if you are interested. I have no idea of the > internal condition. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 8 15:59:27 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:59:27 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook Message-ID: Well, my MGB's "untowed" streak has ended after roughly 20 years. The temperature suddenly shot up in heavy traffic in the East Bay on Thursday. It was clearly due to rapid coolant loss, and I was headed to BART to get to a meeting in Oakland, so I just left it and walked to the station. When I got back to the car around 5pm, I bought a gallon of water at the liquor store and dumped it in and fired it up to see where it would come out. It turned out to be the heater valve. Since there is no easy way to bypass this contraption, I had to weigh the value of continuing my string of successful "limp home" repairs (I was two blocks from an auto parts store, so I could have got some RTV and gasket material, if there wasn't any in my trunk kit, and rigged a blockoff) vs. getting grubby in my business clothes and certainly arriving late at my in-law's for my wife's birthday dinner. Given that choice, discretion seemed the better part of valor, so I found a pay phone and called AAA (which my wife only signed us up for a few months ago). So I arrived on-time, albeit in the wrecker with the B on the hook. This morning I snipped off some sheet copper, punched two holes into it, and created a blockoff plate. I had to plug the other heater hose with a 1/2-in bolt. I drove it home to my house with seemingly no ill effects. The first place I called for a new valve was out of stock, but I just found one, too late to pick up today. But I don't really need the heater yet, in this climate, not since I put the hardtop on at any rate. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 18:03:23 2008 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:03:23 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40b437200811081703q1d4d8d7by8372009b11af60ab@mail.gmail.com> Max, When I had a heater valve start leaking, I was able to get home (just a few miles for me) by removing the radiator cap. The heater valve was only leaking under pressure and removing the pressure stopped the leak! Regards, Simon On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Well, my MGB's "untowed" streak has ended after roughly 20 years. The > temperature suddenly shot up in heavy traffic in the East Bay on Thursday. > It was clearly due to rapid coolant loss, and I was headed to BART to get to > a meeting in Oakland, so I just left it and walked to the station. When I > got back to the car around 5pm, I bought a gallon of water at the liquor > store and dumped it in and fired it up to see where it would come out. It > turned out to be the heater valve. Since there is no easy way to bypass this > contraption, I had to weigh the value of continuing my string of successful > "limp home" repairs (I was two blocks from an auto parts store, so I could > have got some RTV and gasket material, if there wasn't any in my trunk kit, > and rigged a blockoff) vs. getting grubby in my business clothes and > certainly arriving late at my in-law's for my wife's birthday dinner. Given > that choice, discretion seemed the better part of valor, so I found a pay > phone and called AAA (which my wife only signed us up for a few months ago). > So I arrived on-time, albeit in the wrecker with the B on the hook. > > This morning I snipped off some sheet copper, punched two holes into it, and > created a blockoff plate. I had to plug the other heater hose with a 1/2-in > bolt. I drove it home to my house with seemingly no ill effects. The first > place I called for a new valve was out of stock, but I just found one, too > late to pick up today. But I don't really need the heater yet, in this > climate, not since I put the hardtop on at any rate. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as simon.d.matthews at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 8 18:32:45 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:32:45 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook In-Reply-To: <40b437200811081703q1d4d8d7by8372009b11af60ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's cool. But this was more of a gusher than a leak. And I had to cross a toll bridge to get home -- it would have been a real bad place to get stranded, without a cell phone. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/8/08 5:03 PM, Simon Matthews at simon.d.matthews at gmail.com wrote: > Max, > > When I had a heater valve start leaking, I was able to get home (just > a few miles for me) by removing the radiator cap. The heater valve was > only leaking under pressure and removing the pressure stopped the > leak! > > Regards, > Simon > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> Well, my MGB's "untowed" streak has ended after roughly 20 years. The >> temperature suddenly shot up in heavy traffic in the East Bay on Thursday. >> It was clearly due to rapid coolant loss, and I was headed to BART to get to >> a meeting in Oakland, so I just left it and walked to the station. When I >> got back to the car around 5pm, I bought a gallon of water at the liquor >> store and dumped it in and fired it up to see where it would come out. It >> turned out to be the heater valve. Since there is no easy way to bypass this >> contraption, I had to weigh the value of continuing my string of successful >> "limp home" repairs (I was two blocks from an auto parts store, so I could >> have got some RTV and gasket material, if there wasn't any in my trunk kit, >> and rigged a blockoff) vs. getting grubby in my business clothes and >> certainly arriving late at my in-law's for my wife's birthday dinner. Given >> that choice, discretion seemed the better part of valor, so I found a pay >> phone and called AAA (which my wife only signed us up for a few months ago). >> So I arrived on-time, albeit in the wrecker with the B on the hook. >> >> This morning I snipped off some sheet copper, punched two holes into it, and >> created a blockoff plate. I had to plug the other heater hose with a 1/2-in >> bolt. I drove it home to my house with seemingly no ill effects. The first >> place I called for a new valve was out of stock, but I just found one, too >> late to pick up today. But I don't really need the heater yet, in this >> climate, not since I put the hardtop on at any rate. >> >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Mountain View, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> _______________________________________________ From hardt at sonic.net Sat Nov 8 19:36:27 2008 From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:36:27 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook In-Reply-To: <40b437200811081703q1d4d8d7by8372009b11af60ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <40b437200811081703q1d4d8d7by8372009b11af60ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49164CAB.7040302@sonic.net> When mine started leaking, it leaked all over the distributor and the car started running really funky. I was able to turn the heater valve off to stop it. Heh, heater wasn't doing a whole lot anyway! Ron 58 MGA Simon Matthews wrote: > Max, > > When I had a heater valve start leaking, I was able to get home (just > a few miles for me) by removing the radiator cap. The heater valve was > only leaking under pressure and removing the pressure stopped the > leak! > > Regards, > Simon From DMatt21502 at aol.com Sun Nov 9 08:08:53 2008 From: DMatt21502 at aol.com (DMatt21502 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:08:53 EST Subject: [Mgs] Trunk Lid Needed Message-ID: The Trunk lid on my 1977 MGB has been damaged where it attaches to the release bracket. I had a body man look at it and he said it would probably be best to try and find a good used one. Anyone out there near Chattanooga, TN have one they are willing to sell? **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 9 08:32:16 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:32:16 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook References: Message-ID: <2157048E59EC49889454DA0305C80221@Three> The heater valve can leak from both sides of course. But usually closing the valve fully will seal off the head port as tears are usually in the thinner area of the diaphragm outside of that. Removing the hose from the valve and stuffing the ceramic end of a spare spark plug in the end of the hose and putting a worm clip on it should seal off the supply from the other side of the circuit. ----- Original Message ----- ... Since there is no easy way to bypass this contraption ... From mgb72 at airmail.net Sun Nov 9 11:14:15 2008 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:14:15 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Trunk Lid Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c94296$f97064b0$ec512e10$@net> I don't know how bad the latch area is. However, your body guy my find it takes longer to fit a different lid and get the lines right than to fix the latch area. These cars were on an assembly line at one point, but I have found there are variances between body panels and alignments that would lead you to believe these were one off cars... -Chad -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DMatt21502 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:09 AM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Trunk Lid Needed The Trunk lid on my 1977 MGB has been damaged where it attaches to the release bracket. I had a body man look at it and he said it would probably be best to try and find a good used one. Anyone out there near Chattanooga, TN have one they are willing to sell? From PRNDL at sonic.net Sun Nov 9 12:10:23 2008 From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:10:23 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Trunk Lid Needed Message-ID: <357ACDBB-A67B-4730-8750-A11E94BC9125@sonic.net> There's been an MGB boot lid on the San Francisco Craigslist for several days. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/pts/903749083.html -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From barrie at look.ca Sun Nov 9 08:48:26 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] British Car Cottage Industries Message-ID: I am a little disappointed with the lack of participants on the BCCI web site. It takes ages to get people to join the group. But there are some interesting bits and pieces and it slowly expands. Hit rate is growing and coming from all corners of the earth. So if you know anyone who qualifies please give me their address. However................This is not the purpose of this missive.......I have found quite a few larger than cottage sized operations who specialise in a particular marque or part. For instance, I know of an outfit that makes valves, and only valves (he made stainless steel valves for my Aston!)......another who makes distributor caps and has spares for obscure vehicles. So my thinking is that maybe I should have a section that lists these specialists - not the generalists like Moss (who are great but do not do obscure stuff). I was going to send my head (okay, okay resist jokes) away to be flowed, ported etc. but by accident found a chap two miles away who is renowned all over the world as an ace head man (again, no jokes please). The people listed would be only involved in a special area, so while the Aston Service-Dorset people could be listed as they ONLY do Astons earlier than the DB 4. BUT Kevin Kay Restorations would not qualify as they restore literally anything. So I need some input here. Does this sound like a good idea to you? Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 9 12:30:19 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:30:19 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Finally got the hook In-Reply-To: <49164CAB.7040302@sonic.net> Message-ID: Oh yeah, that happened too. When I was working on it yesterday, I had to dry off the inside of the cap, and I sprayed WD40 inside the distributor since I didn't feel like disassembling it. In this case it didn't matter if the valve was in the open or closed position -- it was leaking to the exterior either way. When it started leaking it was nominally closed. on 11/8/08 6:36 PM, Ron Engelhardt at hardt at sonic.net wrote: > When mine started leaking, it leaked all over the distributor and the > car started running really funky. I was able to turn the heater valve > off to stop it. Heh, heater wasn't doing a whole lot anyway! > > Ron > 58 MGA > > Simon Matthews wrote: > >> Max, >> >> When I had a heater valve start leaking, I was able to get home (just >> a few miles for me) by removing the radiator cap. The heater valve was >> only leaking under pressure and removing the pressure stopped the >> leak! >> >> Regards, >> Simon -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 9 14:54:12 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:54:12 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] British Car Cottage Industries References: Message-ID: Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: [Mgs] British Car Cottage Industries I am a little disappointed with the lack of participants on the BCCI web site. It takes ages to get people to join the group. But there are some interesting bits and pieces and it slowly expands. Hit rate is growing and coming from all corners of the earth. So if you know anyone who qualifies please give me their address. However................This is not the purpose of this missive.......I have found quite a few larger than cottage sized operations who specialise in a particular marque or part. For instance, I know of an outfit that makes valves, and only valves (he made stainless steel valves for my Aston!)......another who makes distributor caps and has spares for obscure vehicles. So my thinking is that maybe I should have a section that lists these specialists - not the generalists like Moss (who are great but do not do obscure stuff). I was going to send my head (okay, okay resist jokes) away to be flowed, ported etc. but by accident found a chap two miles away who is renowned all over the world as an ace head man (again, no jokes please). The people listed would be only involved in a special area, so while the Aston Service-Dorset people could be listed as they ONLY do Astons earlier than the DB 4. BUT Kevin Kay Restorations would not qualify as they restore literally anything. So I need some input here. Does this sound like a good idea to you? Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mark at bradakis.com Mon Nov 10 01:52:29 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Engine Parts In-Reply-To: <20081109130345.l53ade63vokg4oo4@webmail.athenet.net> References: <20081109130345.l53ade63vokg4oo4@webmail.athenet.net> Message-ID: <4917F64D.5090206@bradakis.com> Too bad you don't live near Salt Lake City - then the choice would be obvious. Mike Bailey, at Bailey's Service has been working on T series MGs for quite some time. I work there part time as the Triumph guy. We do a fair bit of business as a distributor for Moss Motors, as well as some other suppliers. Okay, enough shameless self promotion: http://baileysautomotive.com Check the Monster List, http://www.dimebank.com/monster for various suppliers of parts. I believe there might be a person or two on these lists that are also Moss distributors and can assist with parts location. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Nov 11 01:32:23 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 Motor Message-ID: <49194317.2060808@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10&p=13#p13 mjb. From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 11 07:28:01 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:28:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Mgs] Bugeye Kit For Sale in San Jose, CA Message-ID: <20134970.1226413681375.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Gang, FYI - Found this on craigslist Best, Rick Feibusch BritishCarNetwork www.AllCarCentral.com Brisbane Marina British car Meet Venice, CA http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/914268961.html 1960 Austin Healy Mk1(Bugeye) Sprite Project Car - $5000 (san jose west) ________________________________ Reply to: sale-914268961 at craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-11-10, 11:19PM PST Before there was a Miata or even an MG Miget, there was the AH Mk1. The first turn small sports car. This was a running Bugeye that was disassembled to restore its body from the ground up. The body was restored but I now have no time to put it back together before we need to demolish the garage. The body is original as well as most of its parts. It is painted in its original "Old English White" color with a glossy finish. I was able to track down rare original parts including the original chrome hub caps, steel rims, dash, Armstrong shocks, and too many other parts to be listed. This was a California car and has no rust problems. The engine, suspension, and transmission are all here. All original parts were saved including the interior but there are tons of new parts from Victoria British still in their packaging. Between the original purchase, body restoration, and parts, I've put over $7500 into the car but will part with all of it for $5000. Its a great place to start. The body is in perfect shape. All you have to do is put it together again and you'll have a true classic. I'll throw in about 10 restoration guides and books specifically about the bugeye. You will need to pick up the car in San Jose. From enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk Thu Nov 13 05:17:25 2008 From: enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk (Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:17:25 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Anti roll bar on an MGA Message-ID: <11A4D061B80A4E04A3F454247342BAD6@ClassicCarWorld.local> Hi guys, has anyone ever fitted an MGB front Anti roll bar to a MK1 1600 MGA? Any suggestion or pitfalls to consider would be appreciated. Many thanks Tom From WSpohn4 at aol.com Thu Nov 13 07:07:45 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:07:45 EST Subject: [Mgs] MGB Anti roll bar on an MGA Message-ID: I think that he MGA system is frankly silly and that the MGB bar is far easier to install. I did a short article on it that might be of use to you. _http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/f/Fitting_an_MGB_sway_bar_to_an_MGA.pdf_ (http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/f/Fitting_an_MGB_sway_bar_to_an_MGA.pdf) Bill S. (who has original MGA bars hanging on the wall and MGB bars in both street MGAs) In a message dated 13/11/2008 4:19:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk writes: Hi guys, has anyone ever fitted an MGB front Anti roll bar to a MK1 1600 MGA? Any suggestion or pitfalls to consider would be appreciated. From enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk Thu Nov 13 08:37:39 2008 From: enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk (Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:37:39 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Anti roll bar on an MGA References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, thanks for this. I also found the following which may be of interest: http://www.mgccsa.org.au/FeatureArticles/MGA%20Modified%20goode.htm About half way down the page is a section on fitting an anti roll bar. Kindest Regards Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: WSpohn4 at aol.com To: enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk ; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Anti roll bar on an MGA I think that he MGA system is frankly silly and that the MGB bar is far easier to install. I did a short article on it that might be of use to you. http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/f/Fitting_an_MGB_sway_bar_to_an_MGA.pdf Bill S. (who has original MGA bars hanging on the wall and MGB bars in both street MGAs) In a message dated 13/11/2008 4:19:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk writes: Hi guys, has anyone ever fitted an MGB front Anti roll bar to a MK1 1600 MGA? Any suggestion or pitfalls to consider would be appreciated. From barrie at look.ca Thu Nov 13 08:49:19 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:49:19 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Specialists Message-ID: I don't know about you chaps but I am constantly amazed at the number of "specialists" out there that are not generally known. I have found an outfit in this Province who makes valves - He made the complete set of valves in stainless steel for my 1955 Aston at half the price for ordinary ones from the "normal" supply source. I had my generator and starter rebuilt at another "specialist" for an unbelievably reasonably low price, I have just discovered a UK outfit that remanufactures distributor caps for all Lucas units. So there are quite a few of these people who do great stuff but cannot qualify for the British Car Cottage Industries web site as they are a commercial concern SO I am starting a section on the BCCI web site for these people. The criteria are that the work/product must be made by them and is not a bought in item for resale. It must be outside the realm of "consumer products" - so a tire manufacturer, windscreen washer fluid, or oil supplier would not qualify. The concern must have, currently, a low profile so while someone like Moss makes unique and desirable products (supercharger etc) they would not qualify as their promotional effort is huge. VALVES Bing Bong Blast Inc. makes both inlet and exhaust valves for modern and classic cars from samples. REAR PLASTIC LENSES CeeMeGo Inc offers reproduction plastic lenses for rear lights for British cars. MGB SUSPENSION Bob Upandown Ltd, UK, can supply coil over spring front suspension for most MGBs. (The listings will be in alphabetical order!) If you know anyone who would fit into the Specialist section please send me contact details. Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From WSpohn4 at aol.com Thu Nov 13 08:50:41 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:50:41 EST Subject: [Mgs] MGB Anti roll bar on an MGA Message-ID: In regard to that piece, you should note that you don't need to fuss about drilling and reinforcing your A arms. Simply source or better yet, buy new MGB front A arms. They cost all of $20 brand new from Moss and are ready to bolt on the links for the bar. You only need to drill out the spring pan, if you can't find a pair of good used MGB items. Bill In a message dated 13/11/2008 7:38:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk writes: Hi Bill, thanks for this. I also found the following which may be of interest: http://www.mgccsa.org.au/FeatureArticles/MGA%20Modified%20goode.htm From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca Fri Nov 14 19:23:17 2008 From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] head question Message-ID: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> I have a crack in my head but took a head off another engine I have. My engine is a high comp engine. The head I took off was damaged between #1 and #2 and that's where its cracked. The head from the "donor engine" a 3 bearing older engine has a marking on the under side sort where the thermostat bulge is located. It has an "S" in a raised letter in the same fashion as the MOWOG lettering. I have never noticed an "S" in this location on any other head. As well the head material between #1 and #2 on the head is much thicker than on the other head. I have the "donor" at the shop to be tested for cracks or I could post a photo... Any ideas as to what the significance of the "S" might be or why there is a difference in the thickness? Malcolm From eric at erickson.on.net Fri Nov 14 22:10:28 2008 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:40:28 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] head question In-Reply-To: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> References: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> Message-ID: On 15/11/2008, at 12:53 PM, Malcolm Jeffcock wrote: > The head from the "donor engine" a 3 bearing older engine has a > marking on the under side sort where the thermostat bulge is > located. It has an "S" in a raised letter in the same fashion as the > MOWOG lettering. I have never noticed an "S" in this location on any > other head. An interesting read but this article mentions A, O, E, G, N, X - no S. http://www.mgparts.co.nz/MGB_Cylinder_Head_Markings.html Eric From eric at erickson.on.net Fri Nov 14 22:14:46 2008 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:44:46 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] head question In-Reply-To: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> References: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> Message-ID: <15A39890-A346-4BBC-B816-EEA2DCED8D5B@erickson.on.net> On 15/11/2008, at 12:53 PM, Malcolm Jeffcock wrote: > The head from the "donor engine" a 3 bearing older engine has a > marking on the under side sort where the thermostat bulge is > located. It has an "S" in a raised letter in the same fashion as the > MOWOG lettering. I am sure you can use Google as well as I can, but I noticed I had this page bookmarked: Identifying MGB Cylinder Heads http://www.flowspeed.com/cylinder-ident.htm Eric From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca Sat Nov 15 05:45:34 2008 From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:45:34 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] head question References: <002601c946c9$1f188040$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> <15A39890-A346-4BBC-B816-EEA2DCED8D5B@erickson.on.net> Message-ID: <004501c94720$0d4597c0$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> Thanks to those who have replied. I had Googled the subject but still have not found anything of the mystery mark: S... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" To: "MG List" Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] head question > On 15/11/2008, at 12:53 PM, Malcolm Jeffcock wrote: >> The head from the "donor engine" a 3 bearing older engine has a >> marking on the under side sort where the thermostat bulge is >> located. It has an "S" in a raised letter in the same fashion as the >> MOWOG lettering. > > I am sure you can use Google as well as I can, but I noticed I had > this page bookmarked: > > Identifying MGB Cylinder Heads > > http://www.flowspeed.com/cylinder-ident.htm > > > > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as msjeffcock at eastlink.ca > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 16 15:21:24 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Bah Message-ID: After the overheating incident, the B seemed to be running OK. No smoke, plenty of power, but just a tad rough. So I thought I should do a compression check, just to be sure. 30, 90, 125, 125. Bah. Looks like we need a head gasket. Since we also need the carbs rebushed and a pair of tires it might be a while before it's back on the road. Too many simultaneous expenses for this time of year. Bummer, because this weekend is perfect driving weather. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 16 18:17:51 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:17:51 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender Message-ID: Thought I might as well get to work pulling the head. I managed to get everything loose except the temp sender. The nut unthreaded all right, but the probe is absolutely stuck. Any suggestions? It's very hard to grip and it's too fragile to get really violent with. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 17 02:20:31 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:20:31 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender References: Message-ID: Can you get a couple of small screwdrivers in between the threads and the base of the tube to try and gently lever it from side-to-side? How far have you got in dismantling? If it is still runable you could try running it, even with no coolant, to heat up the head a bit. Failing that unless the head needs skimming I'd put it or tie it up out of the way with the tube still attached. There should be several coils of tubing to give you plenty of scope. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Thought I might as well get to work pulling the head. I managed to get everything loose except the temp sender. The nut unthreaded all right, but the probe is absolutely stuck. Any suggestions? From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 17 03:46:20 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:46:20 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081117104623.18DED18766A@autox.team.net> At 05:17 PM 11/16/2008 -0800, Max Heim wrote: >.... >.... The nut unthreaded all right, but the probe is absolutely >stuck. Any suggestions? .... Remove the thermostat cover and thermostat. Push and wiggle on the end of the sensor bulb inside, which is much more rugged than the small tube with wire wrap shield. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 17 04:36:26 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:36:26 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender References: <20081117104623.18DED18766A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4AEB2A0D33EB4DC3856603EBFDA8948E@Three> Nice one. But I can see the next question - "How do I get the thermostat cover off the studs ..." :o) ----- Original Message ----- Remove the thermostat cover and thermostat. Push and wiggle on the end of the sensor bulb inside... From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 17 06:03:20 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:03:20 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: <4AEB2A0D33EB4DC3856603EBFDA8948E@Three> References: <20081117104623.18DED18766A@autox.team.net> <4AEB2A0D33EB4DC3856603EBFDA8948E@Three> Message-ID: <20081117130327.8A60918765D@autox.team.net> See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/cooling/cool_102.htm ;-) At 11:36 AM 11/17/2008 +0000, Paul Hunt wrote: >Nice one. But I can see the next question - "How do I get the >thermostat cover off the studs ..." :o) > ----- Original Message ----- >Remove the thermostat cover and thermostat. Push and wiggle on the >end of the sensor bulb inside... From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 10:46:57 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:46:57 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: <200811171046.mAHAkKYU022530@nlpi086.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Ah. I hadn't considered that you could access the little devil from the thermostat area. I was trying to not remove more items than necessary, but I probably would have removed the thermostat eventually, anyway. Thanks. It's been soaking in PB Blaster since yesterday afternoon. Thinking ahead (as it were), I realize that I have no idea of the specification of this cylinder head. What should I be looking for? The engine is a Gold Seal unit with the obscure number BHM 1109-228E. Oh, one more question: how do you folks lift the head off the studs? It's loose, but just curling that much dead weight at arms' length with my back bent over and my knees locked against the wing seems like a ticket to the chiropractor, if nothing else. I think I need to round up a sucker... er, I mean helper. on 11/17/08 2:46 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote: > At 05:17 PM 11/16/2008 -0800, Max Heim wrote: >> .... >> .... The nut unthreaded all right, but the probe is absolutely >> stuck. Any suggestions? .... > > Remove the thermostat cover and thermostat. Push and wiggle on the > end of the sensor bulb inside, which is much more rugged than the > small tube with wire wrap shield. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 17 12:27:29 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:27:29 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: References: <200811171046.mAHAkKYU022530@nlpi086.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20081117192729.DDAB71878BD@autox.team.net> At 09:46 AM 11/17/2008 -0800, Max Heim wrote: >.... >.... I have no idea of the specification of this cylinder head. What >should I be looking for? The engine is a Gold Seal unit with the >obscure number BHM 1109-228E. That looks obscure to me too. I don't know if this will help, but Information I have on Gold Seal engines is at end of this article: http://www.ime.org.uk/ime/e/BMC_MG_&_Morris_Engine_Codes.pdf If anyone has any additional informatin on Gold Seal engines I would dearly like to know. >.... how do you folks lift the head off the studs? It's loose, but >just curling that much dead weight at arms' length with my back bent >over and my knees locked against the wing seems like a ticket to the >chiropractor, .... >.... I think "curling" is the right word. I normally rest my elbows on the body cowling and lift with my forearns. If you want to use a hoist to lift the head you can attach it to the rocker pedestal studs (without needing to remove the rocker shaft assembly), same as lifting the whole engine by the valve cover studs. Find a recent summary of various attachment techniques here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/be106.htm If the rocker pedestals have been removed, then install two 5/16-18-UNC (coarse thread) bolts in the front and rear holes for pedestal studs. One additional caution here. Horizontal threaded holes for the manifold studs intersect the vertical through holes for head bolts in four locations. If perchance some DPM had installed non-standard manifold studs with extra long base threads, the manifold studs may act as set screws to lock the head onto the four head bolts to prevent removal. If the head seems to be loose but does not lift up immediately, you might try loosening the manifold studs a couple of turns. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 13:05:14 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:05:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: <200811171927.mAHJRP7Z003902@nlpi005.prodigy.net> Message-ID: That is a great tip. Not the sort of thing one would be looking for. Thanks again. The "Original MGB" book has a table of Gold Seal engine numbers. The numeric format is similar to mine, but my number is outside the range cited. I had supposed that that might just reflect that it is more recent than the publication date. Actually, looking at the table again, the last three lines show the prefixes BHM 1105 and BHM 1111 -- mine would slot in between those (1109). At any rate, it looks as if it would be an 18V spec engine. I am sure this one would be a high compression version, as I have always had to run premium fuel (it was sourced from a 1974 MGB-GT, which was parted despite the new engine when it was determined it could not pass smog in CA). Possibly an 18V-846-F-H? When I get the head off and look at the valve sizes it should help clear this up. It's funny, the bottom end has been opened up but I've never had the head off -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/17/08 11:27 AM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote: > ...One additional caution here. Horizontal threaded holes for the > manifold studs intersect the vertical through holes for head bolts in > four locations. If perchance some DPM had installed non-standard > manifold studs with extra long base threads, the manifold studs may > act as set screws to lock the head onto the four head bolts to > prevent removal. If the head seems to be loose but does not lift up > immediately, you might try loosening the manifold studs a couple of turns. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 13:59:15 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:59:15 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I just went out to take a look at it again, and there is no sign of a water choke block-off (and no air injector holes for that matter), so we are looking at an early style head. It figures that the PO (of this engine) ordered a pre-smog-spec motor -- it only makes sense (it just didn't pass muster with the DMV). If this means anything to anybody, the markings on top surface of the head are (from rear): PAT NO 585384 (cast) 16N9 (maybe "H") 5 (very large) (cast) 12H4736 (stamped; the 6 is very out of alignment) -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/17/08 12:05 PM, Max Heim at max_heim at sbcglobal.net wrote: > That is a great tip. Not the sort of thing one would be looking for. Thanks > again. > > The "Original MGB" book has a table of Gold Seal engine numbers. The numeric > format is similar to mine, but my number is outside the range cited. I had > supposed that that might just reflect that it is more recent than the > publication date. > > Actually, looking at the table again, the last three lines show the prefixes > BHM 1105 and BHM 1111 -- mine would slot in between those (1109). At any > rate, it looks as if it would be an 18V spec engine. I am sure this one > would be a high compression version, as I have always had to run premium > fuel (it was sourced from a 1974 MGB-GT, which was parted despite the new > engine when it was determined it could not pass smog in CA). Possibly an > 18V-846-F-H? > > When I get the head off and look at the valve sizes it should help clear > this up. It's funny, the bottom end has been opened up but I've never had > the head off From barneymg at mgaguru.com Mon Nov 17 15:25:21 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:25:21 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081117222528.CC57A18763E@autox.team.net> At 12:59 PM 11/17/2008 -0800, Max Heim wrote: >Well, I just went out to take a look at it again, and there is no >sign of a water choke block-off (and no air injector holes for that >matter), so we are looking at an early style head. Not necessarily early. Later European spec heads and some later replacement heads had no air injection ports. Sometimes the ports were not drilled even though the casting was configured for air injection. Ditto for the late model heads with a water port on top at back. >.... >.... markings on top surface of the head are (from rear): > >PAT NO >585384 >(cast) > >16N9 (maybe "H") >5 (very large) >(cast) > >12H4736 >(stamped; the 6 is very out of alignment) >.... This casting looks like a 1975-1980 Euro spec or replacement head. It should have the casting bosses for air enjection and top water port, but the holes may not be drilled. Engine year/ OEM Part/ Features Engine type Casting no. 75-80 North American spec 18V797/18V798 BHM1062/ Air injection ports 18V801/18V802 CAM1106 Single valve springs 18V883/18V884 43cc chamber volume 1.5625" inlet, 1.343" exh. Type "B" valve hardware Single valve springs Water port, top at rear Rear pedestal oil hole offset 75-80 Replacement ---/ 12H4736 Similar to CAM1106 except: Air injection ports (usually drilled). Dual valve springs in most cases. Patent number relocated inside. Water choke outlet hole drilled or not. 43cc chamber volume 1.5625" inlet, 1.343" exh. Type "B" valve hardware "18" on top at back Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitudehttp://MGAguru.com From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Nov 18 01:45:53 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:45:53 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender References: Message-ID: <4A0F76AE711F4AA9AD95F5584920D1D7@Three> Here's another example, FWIW - http://www.mgexperience.net/registry/GHN5UB225420G ----- Original Message ----- Actually, looking at the table again, the last three lines show the prefixes BHM 1105 and BHM 1111 -- mine would slot in between those (1109). From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Nov 18 02:41:20 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:41:20 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Gold Seal engines was Temp sender References: <200811171046.mAHAkKYU022530@nlpi086.prodigy.net> <20081117192729.DDAB71878BD@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7BB0A5E6C7BF4A4EA160AAAADD4EB21C@Three> The information for the B-series in BMC_MG_&_Morris_Engine_Codes.pdf is incorrect, the prefix is 48G and not 84G. Clausager indicates this changed to BHM for the MGB starting with the 18V836/837 engine of September 74. MGC exchange engines were prefixed 68G (also Clausager) See also http://www.mgcars.org.uk/engine/mgenginehistory.rtf, also by Neil Cairns. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Information I have on Gold Seal engines is at end of this article: http://www.ime.org.uk/ime/e/BMC_MG_&_Morris_Engine_Codes.pdf If anyone has any additional information on Gold Seal engines I would dearly like to know. From sammler at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 18 05:17:03 2008 From: sammler at bellsouth.net (Pat Harris - "sammler") Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] FYI - junkyard MGB [Fwd: [T2] Carson pick-n-pull report] Message-ID: <4922B23F.2060805@bellsouth.net> from the VW type2 mailing list: Hi folks, FWIW I visited the Carson City Pick-N-Pull today with a friend. We pulled a trans for my 87 GTI and a rear axle for his rabbit truck. Not a lot of VW's........................................................ also cool stuff there is a 55 Desoto and a '67? MGB-GT fastback. Will70Westy So. Lake Tahoe, CA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 8:48 AM From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 18 11:08:25 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:25 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: <4A0F76AE711F4AA9AD95F5584920D1D7@Three> Message-ID: Ha, good find. Maybe I'll contact the owner. on 11/18/08 12:45 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Here's another example, FWIW - > http://www.mgexperience.net/registry/GHN5UB225420G > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Actually, looking at the table again, the last three lines show the prefixes > BHM 1105 and BHM 1111 -- mine would slot in between those (1109). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 18 11:17:22 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:17:22 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Temp sender In-Reply-To: <200811172225.mAHMPPHH006519@flpi132.prodigy.net> Message-ID: You are right, that makes more sense. But the holes are definitely not drilled, and I can't even tell precisely where the "water port" would have been (not being familiar with RBB engines) -- there is no sign of it. Thanks for the information. I was mainly concerned about the valve details, if I had to disassemble it, and decided to go all the way and rebuild it. My inclination would be to just slap on a new gasket, if it seemed to be straight, and the valves looked OK. I'm pretty sure it has single valve springs, but I ought to take another peek, since I wasn't particularly examining those. on 11/17/08 2:25 PM, Barney Gaylord at barneymg at mgaguru.com wrote: > At 12:59 PM 11/17/2008 -0800, Max Heim wrote: >> Well, I just went out to take a look at it again, and there is no >> sign of a water choke block-off (and no air injector holes for that >> matter), so we are looking at an early style head. > > Not necessarily early. Later European spec heads and some later > replacement heads had no air injection ports. Sometimes the ports > were not drilled even though the casting was configured for air > injection. Ditto for the late model heads with a water port on top at back. > >> .... >> .... markings on top surface of the head are (from rear): >> >> PAT NO >> 585384 >> (cast) >> >> 16N9 (maybe "H") >> 5 (very large) >> (cast) >> >> 12H4736 >> (stamped; the 6 is very out of alignment) >> .... > > This casting looks like a 1975-1980 Euro spec or replacement > head. It should have the casting bosses for air enjection and top > water port, but the holes may not be drilled. > > Engine year/ OEM Part/ Features > Engine type Casting no. > 75-80 North American spec > 18V797/18V798 BHM1062/ Air injection ports > 18V801/18V802 CAM1106 Single valve springs > 18V883/18V884 43cc chamber volume > 1.5625" inlet, 1.343" exh. > Type "B" valve hardware > Single valve springs > Water port, top at rear > Rear pedestal oil hole offset > > 75-80 Replacement ---/ > 12H4736 Similar to CAM1106 except: > Air injection ports (usually drilled). > Dual valve springs in most cases. > Patent number relocated inside. > Water choke outlet hole drilled or not. > 43cc chamber volume > 1.5625" inlet, 1.343" exh. > Type "B" valve hardware > "18" on top at back > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitudehttp://MGAguru.com -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From twobees at sprynet.com Tue Nov 18 12:49:13 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal Message-ID: <006001c949b6$bc82e420$6401a8c0@normoffice> "... how do you folks lift the head off the studs? It's loose, but just curling that much dead weight at arms' length with my back bent over and my knees locked against the wing seems like a ticket to the chiropractor, ..." If you haven't gotten it off yet -- Remove the head bolts/studs & you can slide it over a little. The old gaskets keeps it from scratching either surface. Easy removal using 2 nuts back onto the stud only as far as necessary to get both on the stud, Then tighten against one another. Use open-end wrench on lower nut to loosen the stud. If nuts are tight enough against one another, this should back the stud right out. Seems to me I then stood on the frame rails & just lifted. But, it's been a few years & I usually removed the hood first anyway. Also, I had heads on & off often enough everything was relatively loose & easy to do. One year & did so much in & out, I got complete engine removal down to 1.5 hrs. doing it alone. Norm Sippel now dealing with half the engine, but in tighter space - 948 in Turner. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 13:19:04 2008 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:19:04 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal In-Reply-To: <006001c949b6$bc82e420$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <006001c949b6$bc82e420$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: B hoods will stand straight up, no reason to remove one. Depending on the year, you may have undo the hood support, but the hinges go straight up. A broomstick on the correct length is a wonderful thing. As far as the head goes, I have always lifted them off the studs. Rick > > > But, it's been a > few years & I usually removed the hood first anyway. From muses at cableone.net Tue Nov 18 20:01:55 2008 From: muses at cableone.net (Todd Mullins) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:01:55 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Tourist Trophy exhaust? Message-ID: Hi guys - time to order the exhaust system for my '74 restoration. I'm having the factory manifold Jet-Hot coated, so whatever exhaust I purchase will have to mate with the manifold (no header systems). The two top candidates at this point are the Falcon Big Bore system and the Moss Tourist Trophy system. The BB has lots of advocates, and is clearly geared towards performance as well as durability. My main goal is good performance for my motor (9.0:1 CR pistons, Piper 270 cam, P&P head, stock HIFs with K&N). Appearance and sound are secondary concerns. So what's the scoop on the Tourist Trophy? Kelvin? I saw a nice YouTube video with Kelvin describing the TT features. But what I haven't seen is hard data on its performance characteristics. I really like the upgraded mounting system of the TT, and sure, it's pretty, but how does it perform relative to the BB (and relative to the Peco, apparently the "gold standard" of fast road MGB exhaust systems)? Thanks for any input! -todd '74 MGB Tourer undergoing resurrection From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 19 01:52:08 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:52:08 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal References: <006001c949b6$bc82e420$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <34363FFB9FAD42889D4D586F96475032@Three> Or a rope over the roof to the back bumper (or whatever, I was doing a GT), keeps the sides and fronts clear then. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... you may have undo the hood support, but the hinges go straight up. A broomstick on the correct length is a wonderful thing. From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 09:02:36 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Tourist Trophy exhaust? References: Message-ID: <377240.98813.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Didn't realize that Moss was on youtube, now I have a bunch more stuff to watch! The TT exhaust system is certainly nice looking and sounds great too. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html ________________________________ From: Todd Mullins To: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:01:55 PM Subject: [Mgs] Tourist Trophy exhaust? Hi guys - time to order the exhaust system for my '74 restoration. I'm having the factory manifold Jet-Hot coated, so whatever exhaust I purchase will have to mate with the manifold (no header systems). The two top candidates at this point are the Falcon Big Bore system and the Moss Tourist Trophy system. The BB has lots of advocates, and is clearly geared towards performance as well as durability. My main goal is good performance for my motor (9.0:1 CR pistons, Piper 270 cam, P&P head, stock HIFs with K&N). Appearance and sound are secondary concerns. So what's the scoop on the Tourist Trophy? Kelvin? I saw a nice YouTube video with Kelvin describing the TT features. But what I haven't seen is hard data on its performance characteristics. I really like the upgraded mounting system of the TT, and sure, it's pretty, but how does it perform relative to the BB (and relative to the Peco, apparently the "gold standard" of fast road MGB exhaust systems)? Thanks for any input! -todd '74 MGB Tourer undergoing resurrection You are subscribed as d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From doddk at mossmotors.com Wed Nov 19 11:52:25 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:52:25 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Tourist Trophy exhaust? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0F16AA5B@kb1.mossmotors.com> Todd. The Falcon big bore and the Tourist Trophy should have similar performance characteristics to the Peco system. All use a single straight through muffler at the rear of the car. The Falcon system uses 1 7/8" pipe, the Tourist Trophy and Peco are 2". I have seen no dyno comparisons between the three systems. Despite marketing hoopla, I doubt if there will be a measurable difference between them that would offset other changes in ambient conditions, such as humidity and temperature. Personally, I prefer the single box system simply because it has greater ground clearance. The Tourist Trophy system has been designed to work with rear tube shock conversions, whereas the Falcon and Peco will hit the lower mount point of a tube shock. The soft mount system is a benefit for reduced vibration, but it does use non stock components. The Falcon system can be installed using all original hardware. Both systems look alike from the back, only the Tourist Trophy is slice cut with a very shiny can and the Falcon is straight cut. The Tourist Trophy system bolts together using gaskets, the Falcon is slip jointed and uses the original front donuts. That's about it. I can't comment on the sound between the two units as it is very subjective and to be honest I havn't heard the Tourist Trophy lately. I do have a Falcon BB with stock manifold on my supercharged 1970 MGB. I bought it before the TT systems came out. It fit well and sounds good to my ears. I'm going to fit the TT system to my lowered 1980 MGB beater. Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Todd Mullins > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:02 PM > To: mgs at autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Tourist Trophy exhaust? > > Hi guys - time to order the exhaust system for my '74 restoration. > I'm having the factory manifold Jet-Hot coated, so whatever > exhaust I purchase will have to mate with the manifold (no > header systems). > > The two top candidates at this point are the Falcon Big Bore > system and the Moss Tourist Trophy system. The BB has lots > of advocates, and is clearly geared towards performance as > well as durability. My main goal is good performance for my > motor (9.0:1 CR pistons, Piper 270 cam, P&P head, stock HIFs > with K&N). Appearance and sound are secondary concerns. > > So what's the scoop on the Tourist Trophy? Kelvin? I saw a > nice YouTube video with Kelvin describing the TT features. > But what I haven't seen is hard data on its performance > characteristics. I really like the upgraded mounting system > of the TT, and sure, it's pretty, but how does it perform > relative to the BB (and relative to the Peco, apparently the > "gold standard" of fast road MGB exhaust systems)? > > Thanks for any input! > > -todd > '74 MGB Tourer undergoing resurrection From dwillner at ptd.net Thu Nov 20 16:41:01 2008 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] BS / Whitworth Hex Bolts images Message-ID: <001101c94b69$72c4d000$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> I'm not sure or not if I received an attachment of a page of BS and Whitworth hex bolt head images from the list or not. I remember having a page that had all the markings and described all the different styles and where they originated, can't seem to locate it. Is anyone familar with a page of images of all the head designs and if so, can you send me a copy? Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A Apple Green 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 Victor Special From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 21 02:13:18 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:13:18 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] BS / Whitworth Hex Bolts images References: <001101c94b69$72c4d000$8119fea9@greenwaymedical.com> Message-ID: <2CCCEBAFD2FE419D8DC3780AE58345B9@Three> No attachments allowed on this list. Try these: http://www.unified-eng.com/scitech/bolt/boltmarks.html http://www.britishtool.com/index.htm Also have a look at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_miscframe.htm and try the 'Nuts; Screws, Washers and Bolts' section. If they aren't the one you remember, and you subsequently find it anyway, then I'd appreciate you sending me the link. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I'm not sure or not if I received an attachment of a page of BS and Whitworth hex bolt head images from the list or not. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 23 16:09:26 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:09:26 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just tied the hood back with a rope to the rear bumper to get it out of the way. Thanks to whoever suggested it. The thermostat housing turned out to be a major struggle. The housing was welded to the frontmost stud. With all nuts removed, you could see the stud move, but it wouldn't come loose (and, obviously, it wouldn't turn). And the passenger-side rear stud would not come out of the head (double-nutting it just spun the threads off), or I could have just spun the whole housing. We wound up flipping the head over onto a board laying across the fenders (for clearance reasons -- remember, the temp sender was still attached), and hacksawing the front stud. This put a few nicks in the head surface (JB Weld to the rescue) and pretty much destroyed the housing (the neck was pretty corroded already, so no big deal) and thermostat (slated for replacement anyway). The machine shop will have to extract the stud and remnant stump. The head surface looked fine when cleaned up. I couldn't see any sign of where it blew. It seemed flat enough using a straightedge. But the exhaust valves were pretty recessed (#1 especially), so it is probably due for a valve job (at least 50K miles on this head -- perhaps as much as 70K). It definitely has valve seat inserts. I can confirm that the head has 1.56" inlet valves, single valve springs, and was not drilled for air injection or water choke. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/18/08 12:19 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote: > B hoods will stand straight up, no reason to remove one. Depending on the > year, you may have undo the hood support, but the hinges go straight up. A > broomstick on the correct length is a wonderful thing. > As far as the head goes, I have always lifted them off the studs. > Rick > > >> >> >> But, it's been a >> few years & I usually removed the hood first anyway. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 16:18:04 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:18:04 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good progress. I used heat, PB Blaster (or something like that) multiple times and then a pair of vice grips to wind the studs out. The JBWeld works just fine for minor repairs. JB Kwik, I've been told, sets up a little harder. I've used it to rebuild a broken-out stud hole at the thermostat. That was years ago. Rick Ex-MGB owner Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Max Heim Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:09:26 To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Was Temp Sender, - Head Removal I just tied the hood back with a rope to the rear bumper to get it out of the way. Thanks to whoever suggested it. The thermostat housing turned out to be a major struggle. The housing was welded to the frontmost stud. With all nuts removed, you could see the stud move, but it wouldn't come loose (and, obviously, it wouldn't turn). And the passenger-side rear stud would not come out of the head (double-nutting it just spun the threads off), or I could have just spun the whole housing. We wound up flipping the head over onto a board laying across the fenders (for clearance reasons -- remember, the temp sender was still attached), and hacksawing the front stud. This put a few nicks in the head surface (JB Weld to the rescue) and pretty much destroyed the housing (the neck was pretty corroded already, so no big deal) and thermostat (slated for replacement anyway). The machine shop will have to extract the stud and remnant stump. The head surface looked fine when cleaned up. I couldn't see any sign of where it blew. It seemed flat enough using a straightedge. But the exhaust valves were pretty recessed (#1 especially), so it is probably due for a valve job (at least 50K miles on this head -- perhaps as much as 70K). It definitely has valve seat inserts. I can confirm that the head has 1.56" inlet valves, single valve springs, and was not drilled for air injection or water choke. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/18/08 12:19 PM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote: > B hoods will stand straight up, no reason to remove one. Depending on the > year, you may have undo the hood support, but the hinges go straight up. A > broomstick on the correct length is a wonderful thing. > As far as the head goes, I have always lifted them off the studs. > Rick > > >> >> >> But, it's been a >> few years & I usually removed the hood first anyway. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From wbmcleod at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 05:48:08 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID Message-ID: Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 underneath? It has a circular rotor that I have never seen before, but appears standard otherwise. And is there a web site out there for Lucas identification? Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics Tucson From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Nov 24 06:18:39 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:18:39 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID References: Message-ID: <1C0C459D6C014D5B99DD0D5932A73690@Three> 41497 is not an MGB distributor, http://www.sterlingbritishmotoringsociety.org/files/Lucas_Dist_Chart.pdf lists is as a 25D4 for a Jensen Healey 2000, no curve info. '13 73' would mean manufactured in week or period 13 of 1973. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=25d4+41497&btnG=Google+Search&meta= list a number of other sites referencing this distributor. MGB distributors are identified at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_ignitionframe.htm and click on 'Distributor Curves, also at http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mgb21.htm, http://www.teglerizer.com/mgstuff/advance_curves.htm and http://www.autochart.com/MGB_Tune.htm. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 underneath? From ptrmgb at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 07:31:34 2008 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:31:34 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03417CE6-B19A-474F-8A13-6C48A1310250@gmail.com> There is a chart out there. I've used it. I thought it might be on the tegelerizer, but I'm not finding it. On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:48 AM, William McLeod wrote: > Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 > underneath? It has a circular rotor that I have never seen before, > but appears standard otherwise. And is there a web site out there for > Lucas identification? Thanks in advance, Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 24 07:45:27 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:45:27 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID References: <03417CE6-B19A-474F-8A13-6C48A1310250@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58B83E6F1B794448B95EA35B26618817@Larry> Barney has a section on it: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/travel/tp1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: "William McLeod" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID There is a chart out there. I've used it. I thought it might be on the tegelerizer, but I'm not finding it. On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:48 AM, William McLeod wrote: > Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 > underneath? It has a circular rotor that I have never seen before, > but appears standard otherwise. And is there a web site out there for > Lucas identification? Thanks in advance, Bill > Slightly Classics > Tucson > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Mon Nov 24 10:10:58 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:10:58 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID In-Reply-To: <03417CE6-B19A-474F-8A13-6C48A1310250@gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul, the chart you are referring to is here: http://www.starchak.ca/tech/pdfs/lucas.pdf Just to let you know, you can not rely on the data given in this sheet. There are a lot of mistakes and inconsistencies I have found over a period in there. Last time I warned somebody using the data in this chart I got flamed by the "owner" of the chart or his buddy (don't know exactly, long time gone). That's why I also tell you that I don't know anything about his abilities and therefore cannot blame him for the mistakes. But you should be aware of them. Best regards Eric Heinsberg/Germany -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:32 PM To: William McLeod Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lucas Distributor ID There is a chart out there. I've used it. I thought it might be on the tegelerizer, but I'm not finding it. On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:48 AM, William McLeod wrote: > Could anyone identify a distributor numbered 41497 A with 13 73 > underneath? It has a circular rotor that I have never seen before, > but appears standard otherwise. And is there a web site out there for > Lucas identification? Thanks in advance, Bill Slightly Classics > Tucson From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Mon Nov 24 14:34:28 2008 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:34:28 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated Message-ID: All who hated the Yugo all the times can be reliefed, as Fiat now being owner of the Zastava car company made their first wise decision in their management position to discontinue the manufacturing of the Yugo. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven '71 BGT From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 06:18:42 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:18:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated References: Message-ID: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I didn't know they were still making the Yugo! But I agree it was a wise decision.... Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Hans Duinhoven To: mgs at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:34:28 PM Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated All who hated the Yugo all the times can be reliefed, as Fiat now being owner of the Zastava car company made their first wise decision in their management position to discontinue the manufacturing of the Yugo. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven '71 BGT _______________________________________________ From rocknatural at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 09:16:30 2008 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:16:30 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> Dan DiBiase wrote: > I didn't know they were still making the Yugo! But I agree it was a wise decision.... There was a rather unkind, but (in my opinion) funny, fake news item a few years ago that said a US bomber had accidentally obliterated the Yugo factory, resulting in a total loss of all facilities, causing $15.95 in damages. -The Roxter -- From peter at nosimport.com Tue Nov 25 09:30:17 2008 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:30:17 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> At 10:16 AM 11/25/2008, The Roxter wrote: >Dan DiBiase wrote: >>I didn't know they were still making the Yugo! But I agree it was a >>wise decision.... ===== I like Yugos. The world could use more of that, and fewer Chevies. I see a Yugo driving to work every day. Peter C. From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 09:47:36 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <901782.85886.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: Peter Caldwell To: "mgs at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:30:17 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated At 10:16 AM 11/25/2008, The Roxter wrote: > Dan DiBiase wrote: >> I didn't know they were still making the Yugo! But I agree it was a wise decision.... ===== I like Yugos. The world could use more of that, and fewer Chevies. I see a Yugo driving to work every day. --------------------------------------------------- Really, where does it work?? ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ From david_breneman at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 10:58:56 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <734227.7577.qm@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Peter Caldwell wrote: > I see a Yugo driving to work every day. You'd think that after a few days, the authorities would have it towed. [Insert drum sting here] From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com Tue Nov 25 12:25:57 2008 From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:25:57 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <4D5F53E0-77AB-4F3E-B8A1-ED3E2E4DD9ED@trebelhorn.com> There are at least 2 Yugo owners on this list, and I'm one. They're a fun little car, often maligned for being unreliable. They have a lot more in common with our (fun, little, oft-maligned-as- unreliable) MGs than either one has in common with what you see on the street every day. From the AP article: "This is driving in its most natural form. You feel every bump, squeak and jolt, and one can enjoy the sweet smell of gasoline and exhaust fumes," said Momcilo Spajic, a proud Serbian owner of a Yugo. "No car can replace it." Fun cars. Matt From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca Tue Nov 25 13:00:14 2008 From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c94f38$6e9cea30$6501a8c0@D95Y3D91> There was a movie a few years ago with Bette Midler-I think it was Drowning Mona-- that was a comedy. The funniest thing in the movie was that everybody in the town drove a Yugo, even the police car was a Yugo. It is probably the biggest gathering of Yugo (outside of an Autoport) in North America! So there is actual film footage of them actually being driven ;-) Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Roxter" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated > Dan DiBiase wrote: >> I didn't know they were still making the Yugo! But I agree it was a wise >> decision.... > There was a rather unkind, but (in my opinion) funny, fake news item a few > years ago that said a US bomber had accidentally obliterated the Yugo > factory, resulting in a total loss of all facilities, causing $15.95 in > damages. > > -The Roxter > -- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as msjeffcock at eastlink.ca > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 11/24/2008 2:36 PM From twobees at sprynet.com Tue Nov 25 15:51:22 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:51:22 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated Message-ID: <007601c94f50$58a7f4f0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Who will miss the Yugo? Can't imagine anyone except the people making them. Had a funny thing happen once upon a time re. Yugo. Back in the day when they sold those little buggers here in the U.S., I had Yugo as an account. Eventually got to know the Account Executive at their advertising agency very well. Turned out we lived in the same town & occasionally rode the same train into Manhattan. We became friendly & one year I brought him along as a guest to the annual "Test Day" run by the eastern motor press organization of which I was a member. (Another name for it was, "Flaunt Your Incompetence Day.") It was held a a local race track. Well, I drove him around the track in a few cars including a BMW M6 before getting into the Yugo. Now, at the time, I was only a decent driver. But, had not yet begun racing. So, he had SOME confidence in my driving skill, but not 100%. So, here we are thrashing this little tin box around on a race track. I thought he was going to have a heart attack. That day, I learned about "white-knuckle" driving. The Yugo was a piece of junk. It was almost as ill-handling as the econo-box that Chevrolet was selling at the time. (May have been Isuzu-based.) THAT was better in quality, but really awful handling on its tiny, skinny tires. When we returned to the paddock with that Chevy, I began berating the engineering staff present about how ill-handling it was. During our heated debate, an emergency was announced. Seems that little "Chevy" had done what I said it would. It rolled on a hard right-hander. The editor driving survived, although somewhat embarrassed. Somehow the Yugo survived that day. But, the agency soon lost the account & my friend recovered from his fear of the car that he had been responsible for promoting. Today we both drive German cars on the street, & I race an Italian & a British car. Norm Sippel '59 Turner (BMC "A" engine) From ccrobins at ktc.com Tue Nov 25 21:04:38 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:04:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <4D5F53E0-77AB-4F3E-B8A1-ED3E2E4DD9ED@trebelhorn.com> References: <380790.87489.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <492C24DE.8060904@gmail.com> <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> <4D5F53E0-77AB-4F3E-B8A1-ED3E2E4DD9ED@trebelhorn.com> Message-ID: <492CCAD6.1030900@ktc.com> I drove a YUGO GV for a lot of years. Also towed it with all 4 down behind my motorhome during several summer trips. We put over 200,000 miles on that car and it was still running in 2004 when I sold it after taking delivery of our Prius. They called them Zastavas in Yugoslavia. Production was interrupted when NATO bombed Serbia and destroyed the factory. Matt,I still have some engine parts, free, if you need some. CR Matt Trebelhorn wrote: > There are at least 2 Yugo owners on this list, and I'm one. From ccrobins at ktc.com Tue Nov 25 21:08:57 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:08:57 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492CCBD9.90109@ktc.com> Doesn't surprise me. The car was a Fiat built under license in the late Yugoslavia. It was an early 80's design. CR Hans Duinhoven wrote: > All who hated the Yugo all the times can be reliefed, as Fiat now being > owner of the Zastava car company made their first wise decision in their > management position to discontinue the manufacturing of the Yugo. > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com Wed Nov 26 12:22:18 2008 From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:22:18 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's a guy in Halifax that has two and a container full of parts. A few years ago I mentioned this to the local lbc group to see if anyone was interested in this "classic" car find (the guy wanted next to nothing, just wanted it to go to a good home) the groups comments sounded a lot like American muscle car guys putting down our lbc's. Mark From: Matt Trebelhorn Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated There are at least 2 Yugo owners on this list, and I'm one. They're a fun little car, often maligned for being unreliable. They have a lot more in common with our (fun, little, oft-maligned-as- unreliable) MGs than either one has in common with what you see on the street every day. From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 26 17:13:32 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:13:32 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit Message-ID: <5306B121-E498-489E-83BC-56A4C3C8DF39@sbcglobal.net> Has anyone successfully used the speedi-sleeve with the XPAG oil seal kit? It wouldn't fit my engine. After I got mine all back together, it leaks a little and I want to know if it actually can work. The directions for the speedy sleeve in the seal instructions contradict the addendum which tells you to put the sleeve on backwards. I had an engineer look it over and he had me grind off the excess edge of the sleeve to get enough clearance to not hit the Moss adapter. Moss is no help. Their tech support guy didn't even know what the speedi-sleeve was and I had to send him the part number so he knew what I was talking about. If I had to do it again, I would keep my $250 pull the pan and replace the cork rear gasket with some modern sealer. I think that is where the oil was coming from anyway. Mike From sammler at bellsouth.net Wed Nov 26 17:31:51 2008 From: sammler at bellsouth.net (Pat Harris - "sammler") Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit In-Reply-To: <5306B121-E498-489E-83BC-56A4C3C8DF39@sbcglobal.net> References: <5306B121-E498-489E-83BC-56A4C3C8DF39@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <492DEA77.50700@bellsouth.net> According to the Moss catalog, as I read it, the speei-sleeves are only for the rear hub or differential. Mike Duvall wrote: > Has anyone successfully used the speedi-sleeve with the XPAG oil seal > kit? It wouldn't fit my engine. After I got mine all back together, > it leaks a little and I want to know if it actually can work. The > directions for the speedy sleeve in the seal instructions contradict > the addendum which tells you to put the sleeve on backwards. From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 26 17:40:06 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit In-Reply-To: <492DEA77.50700@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I don't know what Moss says about it, but in general they are repair items for shafts that are worn at the sealing surfaces. So they can theoretically work anywhere, given that the correct diameter is available. They are not a solution for a faulty seal, however -- they would be used with a new seal, to reestablish factory tolerances. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/26/08 4:31 PM, Pat Harris - "sammler" at sammler at bellsouth.net wrote: > According to the Moss catalog, as I read it, the speei-sleeves are only > for the rear hub or differential. > > > Mike Duvall wrote: >> Has anyone successfully used the speedi-sleeve with the XPAG oil seal >> kit? It wouldn't fit my engine. After I got mine all back together, >> it leaks a little and I want to know if it actually can work. The >> directions for the speedy sleeve in the seal instructions contradict >> the addendum which tells you to put the sleeve on backwards. From shop at justbrits.com Wed Nov 26 18:50:38 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:50:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <200811250830839.SM11356@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> Message-ID: <> You have seen MY Chevie 100+ miles from home, Peter. (and it did make it back home FAULTLESSLY). Spridgeteer Kevin V. has seen it in person 700 miles from my home (and it did make it back home FAULTLESSLY). And for the cross-over folks, Peter and a hundred or so of other Spridgeteers saw it at Lake of The Ozarks this summer (and it did make it back home FAULTLESSLY). Oh, should I mention that she is OLDER than Yugos?? LOL Er, should I mention that she is ALMOST Jack Benny's age (39) but must wait ONE more year?? 'Amber' is pretty closer in age to your Mini than she is to Yugos!! So, "sorry" but I would MUCH rather "See the USA in MY Chevrolet" (editorial license taken). Ed Please visit my site at: www.justbrits.com From thgun at comporium.net Thu Nov 27 07:48:28 2008 From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:48:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] OIL GUAGE Message-ID: I have a 1957 MGA rst, 1500. I am going to replace my temp/oil guage. Should I get one from Moss or a refirbished one on ebay. I also need a gasket kit. I am also replacing the head. Thanks for the info. Tom Gunderson From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 28 10:42:48 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:42:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit In-Reply-To: <492DEA77.50700@bellsouth.net> References: <5306B121-E498-489E-83BC-56A4C3C8DF39@sbcglobal.net> <492DEA77.50700@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <49302D98.8050008@ktc.com> Actually, those sleeves are available from any decent auto parts store, though you might have to special order them. I used them, called Redi-Sleeves, on both ends of the crank when I rebuilt the engine in my B. I used the standard gasket/seal kits. It still drips from the rear seal (dammit!) but the front is fine. C'est la vie. Don't know about XPAG but >$200 for gaskets and seals? Are they made of gold? CR Pat Harris - "sammler" wrote: > According to the Moss catalog, as I read it, the speei-sleeves are only > for the rear hub or differential. From ccrobins at ktc.com Fri Nov 28 10:50:51 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:50:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49302F7B.1020603@ktc.com> There was a wrecking yard just down the road from me in Comfort, TX, that had a bunch of mid-80's Yugos and parts. They thought they were gold, though. Some guy from San Antonio bought the lot a couple of years ago. If I knew who he was I'd call him up and tell him to come get my spares. I suppose that Carter-Weber carb is the most useful Item. The thing about most YUGO bashers is that they know next to nothing about the little cars. They just parrot the same old tired put-downs. It's like hearing about Lucas electrics from people who don't know better. CR mark.jones at exxonmobil.com wrote: > There's a guy in Halifax that has two and a container full of parts. A few > years ago I mentioned this to the local lbc group to see if anyone was > interested in this "classic" car find (the guy wanted next to nothing, just > wanted it to go to a good home) the groups comments sounded a lot like > American muscle car guys putting down our lbc's. > > Mark > > From: Matt Trebelhorn > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated > > There are at least 2 Yugo owners on this list, and I'm one. > > They're a fun little car, often maligned for being unreliable. They have > a lot more in common with our (fun, little, oft-maligned-as- unreliable) > MGs than either one has in common with what you see on the street every > day. > _______________________________________________ From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com Fri Nov 28 13:06:49 2008 From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:06:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <007601c94f50$58a7f4f0$6401a8c0@normoffice> References: <007601c94f50$58a7f4f0$6401a8c0@normoffice> Message-ID: <778474DE-BDE2-4D6E-8099-2C8C0CEF6A4A@trebelhorn.com> The Yugo came on some frighteningly bad tires -- tall, skinny, made in yugoslavia; called TIGAR. TIGARs make a 10-year old Michelin X look like an R-compound. I still have a set of TIGARs (thankfully now unmounted), which the previous owner put a surprising number of miles on. I put a set of BFGs on mine when I got it, and the handling got better in a hurry. That said, it's still not exactly a road-race weapon -- especially the carbed 1100cc version. Its very short wheelbase makes it a decent little autocrosser, though. Matt On 25 Nov, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Norm 2Bs wrote: > Who will miss the Yugo? Can't imagine anyone except the people > making them. > > Had a funny thing happen once upon a time re. Yugo. > > Back in the day when they sold those little buggers here in the > U.S., I had > Yugo as an account. Eventually got to know the Account Executive > at their > advertising agency very well. Turned out we lived in the same town & > occasionally rode the same train into Manhattan. We became > friendly & one > year I brought him along as a guest to the annual "Test Day" run by > the > eastern motor press organization of which I was a member. (Another > name for > it was, "Flaunt Your Incompetence Day.") It was held a a local > race track. > > Well, I drove him around the track in a few cars including a BMW M6 > before > getting into the Yugo. Now, at the time, I was only a decent > driver. But, > had not yet begun racing. So, he had SOME confidence in my driving > skill, > but not 100%. So, here we are thrashing this little tin box around > on a > race track. I thought he was going to have a heart attack. That > day, I > learned about "white-knuckle" driving. The Yugo was a piece of > junk. It > was almost as ill-handling as the econo-box that Chevrolet was > selling at > the time. (May have been Isuzu-based.) THAT was better in > quality, but > really awful handling on its tiny, skinny tires. When we returned > to the > paddock with that Chevy, I began berating the engineering staff > present > about how ill-handling it was. During our heated debate, an > emergency was > announced. Seems that little "Chevy" had done what I said it > would. It > rolled on a hard right-hander. The editor driving survived, although > somewhat embarrassed. > > Somehow the Yugo survived that day. But, the agency soon lost the > account & > my friend recovered from his fear of the car that he had been > responsible > for promoting. > > Today we both drive German cars on the street, & I race an Italian & a > British car. > > Norm Sippel > '59 Turner (BMC "A" engine) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as matt.lists at trebelhorn.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From wkilleffer at comcast.net Fri Nov 28 13:08:49 2008 From: wkilleffer at comcast.net (William Killeffer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:08:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated Message-ID: Back when the Yugo first came over here, the local newspaper still had a local automotive testing group that worked through the city desk. The main person in charge was named Buddy Houts, and he attended the same church my family did at the time. Every week, he'd come with whichever car he had been testing that week. When he brought the Yugo, of course he got a little ribbing about it and its humble appearance. He took it all in stride. But I remember my father looking at it and commenting that it was everything the Chevette he'd had should have been but wasn't. May seem strange to the Yugo bashers, but that car seemed more refined than the American-made Chevette and came in a more compact package. Dad loved his Chevette, but was more than willing to enumerate its shortcomings when it finally gave up the ghost at 120k miles. The review in the paper pretty well bolstered that opinion. Buddy wrote that he was expecting the worst and was pleasantly surprised. The model he tested was equipped with a 5-speed and a/c. He said the car was quite peppy and fun, and the a/c was enough to freeze him on even a blisteringly hot day. He drove it for a week in the summertime down here in the southern US, so I'd imagine he knew what he was talking about. He did have a couple of complaints, but they seemed minor at the time. This was back about the time I was 11 or 12 years old, so I only remember so much. I'm sure there were some lemons in the crate, but wonder if some people bought them cause they were cheap and then didn't give them the maintenance that any car should have. William Killeffer wkilleffer at comcast.net Made with a Mac From lundgren at byu.net Fri Nov 28 14:18:30 2008 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew B. Lundgren) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49306026.20907@byu.net> Can we get a Yugo advocacy list started on team.net? -- Andrew From barrie at look.ca Fri Nov 28 14:26:01 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Voltage stabiliser Message-ID: As a result of reading "How to replace your MGB's Thermal Voltage Stabiliser" from the British V8 Magazine, I delved into the subject - well, I had no beer, there was snow on the ground, the Maserati would not start, the jet was being serviced........and my butler and cook had the day off, so can you blame me? It would seem that the circuit as described in the article is a bit short and would be subject to erratic behaviour under certain circumstances. My circuit has double bypass filters using both electrolytic and ceramic capacitors. The components are so damn cheap so overkill is not a problem. However, I have to make a unit to fit inside the original casing and I do not have a spare close by. Can anyone give me the inside dimensions of the casing please?. Or, if anyone has a dud one I would gladly give you a couple of dollars, plus postage, for it. Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From barneymg at mgaguru.com Fri Nov 28 17:23:26 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:23:26 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] OIL GUAGE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081129002328.12128187654@autox.team.net> At 09:48 AM 11/27/2008 -0500, Tom Gunderson wrote: >I have a 1957 MGA rst, 1500. I am going to replace my temp/oil >guage. Should I get one from Moss or a refirbished one on ebay. I >also need a gasket kit. I am also replacing the head. .... I believe the Moss part is "replacement type" with a different model number on the face, otherwise would work okay. Used original ones in working condition seem to be a bit pricy, but should still be less than the new one. Cores with temperature gauge not working are pretty cheap, but getting one repaired casts almost the same as the new replacement type unit. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 09:46:28 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:46:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Hey Ferrari, MG and M-B Friends, found what promises to be a VERY helpful site Message-ID: <893735.13708.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Friends, I've no connection with these guys at all but many of their products are exactly the things we need for restorations, or more importantly, for our "driver category" rebuilding. They're in the UK. http://www.cbsonline.co.uk/index.asp rick '08 M-B C300 '03 L-R Discovery '96 BMW 740iL '83 Ferrari Mondial QV ex-owner '70 MGB Tourer '79 Ferrari 308GTB '61 M-B 180b From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Nov 29 10:56:16 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:56:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic & good news - Yugo finally eliminated In-Reply-To: <49306026.20907@byu.net> References: <49306026.20907@byu.net> Message-ID: <49318240.8070800@ktc.com> Put a sock in it, Andy. It's the holidays! (BG) CR Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: > Can we get a Yugo advocacy list started on team.net? From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 12:42:28 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Final Steps approaching Message-ID: <76664a460811291142l77c45434r536ea88b91f236af@mail.gmail.com> I have very little of a 1967 MGB GT left and before it gets hauled off, is there anything I should grab from the car? To give you an idea of whats left, this is the recent progress: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2006737&l=6ee9f&id=1352274902 At this point I think the only thing left are uni-body panels. I'm getting the VIN plates and the battery area today and I think thats it. - Steve From barneymg at mgaguru.com Wed Nov 26 09:17:13 2008 From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:17:13 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Looking to SAVE some MG web sites and tech info Message-ID: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> I think this is important, so some of you may get more than one copy from different servers. First the problem(s). -- AOL has shut down AOL Hometown, effective October 31. Done with only 30 days notice, lots of people didn't get the message, and several nice MG web sites have been lost. MSN is going to do something similar in February (fortunately with a little more advance notice). Some other servers occasionally vanish or change names with little or no notice. Some registered domain names may occasionally be allowed to expire, resulting in lost web sites. Free photo posting sites often purge photo accounts after a year or so, causing loss of more good MG tech information. How I know. -- I notice this stuff because I manage the MG Site Ring on the UK server www.mgcars.org.uk/webring which has just lost several member web sites due to the AOL fiasco. My web site www.MGAguru.com has numerous off site links for tech information on other sites. If/when such sites may cease to function, my links are broken, and the tech information is inaccessible. I maintain a list of every known MGA specific web site in my Links section. I also maintain a list of every known MG and all British car club in North America on our local club web site www.ChicagolandMGclub.com. I review all of this periodically to maintain the links lists, so I am quick to notice when things may be lost. So here's the plea. -- If you have some useful MG information on line, be sure you keep a copy on your local computer, just in case. If you have it posted on a volatile server, like a free photo site (or any free server for that matter), consider posting the stuff somewhere more stable. If your web address is piggybacked on another domain, like www.geocities.com/myMGA, or www.home.earthlink.net/~myacount, or www.myMGA.citymax.com, then consider registering a domain name so you can keep your web address if/when the hosting server might fail or change name (or if you just want to change servers). In general, keep in mind some plan to preserve your valuable information. And here's an offer. -- I will also stick my neck out to make an offer. While I am not a hosting service, I will often accept MG tech articles or pages from others to post on my web site. On rare occasion I may post part or all of someone's small web site in the Guest section of my site (if it is mostly static information). If you know that some of your MG tech information is destined to disappear from the internet (or already has), and you have no place else to post it, please contact me so I may do whatever I can to help preserve it. What's already gone. -- One of the more significant losses recently is the Fiberglass Hardtop Restoration by Ian Pearl in Ireland. This was originally posted at http://idpearl.myphotoalbum.com but was automatically purged some time ago. I have not been able to contact Ian for more than a year, so this might never be recovered. Bottom line is, protect it or lose it. Keep it in mind, pass the word, ask questions, offer advice. What say you all? From mgmagnette at aol.com Sat Nov 29 20:00:45 2008 From: mgmagnette at aol.com (mgmagnette) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Looking to SAVE some MG web sites and tech info In-Reply-To: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> References: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0e4cc5bb.8513.44f2.b138.e91e70fd19c2@aol.com> Barney surely knows this but others don't.... It doesn't always work, but www.archive.org is GREAT. Keeps history of web pages going back in time. I still use it to look at sites which are long gone. Unfortunately http://idpearl.myphotoalbum.com is not among them :( Its fun to look at what some common websites used to look like too. From lists at brits-n-pieces.com Sun Nov 30 08:01:50 2008 From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken)) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question In-Reply-To: <2CCCEBAFD2FE419D8DC3780AE58345B9@Three> Message-ID: Hello, can anybody identify the hardtop shown in the pictures? I was told it is from an MGB, but Clausager says the original hardtop is supposed to have side windows!?! The outer surface is black vinyl, the inner surface is just painted. Material is - I think - GRP and the window is glass. http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00025.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00026.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00028.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00029.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00030.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00031.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00032.JPG http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00033.JPG Anybody out there who is more knowledgable? What is the value of such a hardtop? Thank you. Eric From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 08:28:04 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:28:04 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Looking to SAVE some MG web sites and tech info In-Reply-To: <0e4cc5bb.8513.44f2.b138.e91e70fd19c2@aol.com> References: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> <0e4cc5bb.8513.44f2.b138.e91e70fd19c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <76664a460811300728l3bd62cb6v3d21726e80e961ba@mail.gmail.com> If somebody has a linux server somewhere I'd be happy to setup a 'wiki' style site where we could all contribute to the data... for that matter. I have a domain name that could be contributed to it... my buddies server just went belly up and I'm looking for another home. - Steve On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:00 PM, mgmagnette wrote: > Barney surely knows this but others don't.... It doesn't always work, but > www.archive.org is GREAT. Keeps history of web pages going back in time. > I still use it to look at sites which are long gone. Unfortunately > http://idpearl.myphotoalbum.com is not among them :( Its fun to look at > what some common websites used to look like too. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 30 08:09:17 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:09:17 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Voltage stabiliser References: <581367.53258.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7EF41B177A184094A8E4F540A21B326C@Three> And if you are thinking about the suppressor attached to the electro-mechanical that was to prevent radiated interference affecting *other* systems, again nothing to do with the gauges. The original system switched the system voltage i.e. up to 14.5v on and off about once per second, to *average* about 10v, it is that impervious to instantaneous variation. Incidentally an electronic system that provides a stabilised 10v immediately after switch-on will result in slower gauge rise times than the original system, which applied full system voltage for several seconds after switch-on. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Barrie: the filter caps are not needed. A noisy circuit is ok in this applacation. The gauges don't care. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 30 09:01:12 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:01:12 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Looking to SAVE some MG web sites and tech info References: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Good tip. I had started doing that already after a page about strange 18V engine numbers went missing, now I save a copy of things like that locally even though my links still point to the original. I also 'host' pages on MGB topics for others. PaulH http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- So here's the plea. -- If you have some useful MG information on line, be sure you keep a copy on your local computer, just in case. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 30 09:11:46 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:11:46 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question References: Message-ID: Can't help with identity, but Clausager will be talking about pukka factory units. There were enough MGBs sold to make it worth the while of other manufacturers to offer after-market variations, probably several on each continent. As for value check Google. This http://tinyurl.com/6otaao offers several types from #24 (except I can't see that fitting an MGB as it seems to have a straight back edge) to #400 for a works unit. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- can anybody identify the hardtop shown in the pictures? What is the value of such a hardtop? From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:21:22 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:21:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Final Steps approaching References: <76664a460811291142l77c45434r536ea88b91f236af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <156244.84580.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'd grab all of the glass and window frames, if they are okay, the heater motor, steering wheel, etc. Basically anything and everything that can be removed. Probably the hatch and glass, and doors, too. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Steve To: MG LIST Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:42:28 PM Subject: [Mgs] Final Steps approaching I have very little of a 1967 MGB GT left and before it gets hauled off, is there anything I should grab from the car? To give you an idea of whats left, this is the recent progress: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2006737&l=6ee9f&id=1352274902 At this point I think the only thing left are uni-body panels. I'm getting the VIN plates and the battery area today and I think thats it. - Steve You are subscribed as d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From mark at bradakis.com Sun Nov 30 11:35:58 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Looking to SAVE some MG web sites and tech info In-Reply-To: <76664a460811300728l3bd62cb6v3d21726e80e961ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081126161719.232981878B4@autox.team.net> <0e4cc5bb.8513.44f2.b138.e91e70fd19c2@aol.com> <76664a460811300728l3bd62cb6v3d21726e80e961ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4932DD0E.8060904@bradakis.com> Folks can put stuff in the articles and photo sections at http://www.team.net/the-local mjb. From kgrowler at aol.com Sun Nov 30 13:17:08 2008 From: kgrowler at aol.com (kgrowler at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:17:08 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question Message-ID: <8CB213FC1560BCC-1754-789@WEBMAIL-DG01.sim.aol.com> "Brits'n'Pieces \(Eric Frenken\)" wrote: <<>> It's an aftermarket top and it looks like a single-window Snugtop. Snugtop made both 3-window and single window versions. Made in Long Beach, California. I had one a few years back and sold it for $250, if I remember correctly. Kim Tonry Downers Grove, Illinois, U.S.A. From guinness at stclegal.com Sun Nov 30 14:36:59 2008 From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:36:59 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4933077B.2080707@stclegal.com> Is it of a size that would fit a Midget? It looks like my Midget's hardtop Robert Guinness 1961 MGA, 1975 Midget Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: > Hello, > > can anybody identify the hardtop shown in the pictures? I was told it is > from an MGB, but Clausager says the original hardtop is supposed to have > side windows!?! The outer surface is black vinyl, the inner surface is just > painted. Material is - I think - GRP and the window is glass. > > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00025.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00026.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00028.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00029.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00030.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00031.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00032.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00033.JPG > > Anybody out there who is more knowledgable? What is the value of such a > hardtop? > > Thank you. > > Eric From frankk12 at verizon.net Sun Nov 30 14:59:52 2008 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question References: <4933077B.2080707@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <1372566BEBA7485BBE047BFC3EA26B71@frankdcczr6l6k> If anyone out there is looking for one exactly the one pictured I have one stored on top of my 64 B. It just is a hassle to take it on and off all the time. Any reasonable offer takes it away. Problem is getting it from where I am in southern Rhode Island. Shipping costs would be prohibitive I imagine and crating it even more expensive. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Guinness" To: ; "MG List" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] hardtop question > Is it of a size that would fit a Midget? It looks like my Midget's > hardtop > > Robert Guinness > 1961 MGA, 1975 Midget > > Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) wrote: >> Hello, >> >> can anybody identify the hardtop shown in the pictures? I was told it is >> from an MGB, but Clausager says the original hardtop is supposed to have >> side windows!?! The outer surface is black vinyl, the inner surface is >> just >> painted. Material is - I think - GRP and the window is glass. >> >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00025.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00026.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00028.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00029.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00030.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00031.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00032.JPG >> http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00033.JPG >> >> Anybody out there who is more knowledgable? What is the value of such a >> hardtop? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Eric > _______________________________________________ From aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca Sun Nov 30 15:54:10 2008 From: aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca (Andrew Proudfoot) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:24:10 -0330 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question References: <4933077B.2080707@stclegal.com> Message-ID: <006601c9533e$8f0b25c0$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> Its definatly a SNUG TOP out of California. If anyone knows where you can get hardware for it please let me know. My brackets are missing. I bought some at Summit Racing a while back that looked correct but alas they were not. Standard top clamps do not fit............. Thanks Andy Proudfoot 77B Gander, NL From aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca Sun Nov 30 15:55:35 2008 From: aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca (Andrew Proudfoot) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:25:35 -0330 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: hardtop question Message-ID: <006f01c9533e$c1ebe5b0$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> Its definatly a SNUG TOP out of California. If anyone knows where you can get hardware for it please let me know. My brackets are missing. I bought some at Summit Racing a while back that looked correct but alas they were not. Standard top clamps do not fit............. Thanks Andy Proudfoot 77B Gander, NL From PRNDL at sonic.net Sun Nov 30 16:07:20 2008 From: PRNDL at sonic.net (Rod Williams) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:07:20 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: hardtop question In-Reply-To: <006f01c9533e$c1ebe5b0$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> References: <006f01c9533e$c1ebe5b0$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> Message-ID: On Nov 30, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Andrew Proudfoot wrote: > Its definatly a SNUG TOP out of California... If so, Snug Top are still in business. They might have drawings for the brackets or, if you've been a good boy this year, new old stock in a back room somewhere. They still make the best fiberglas tops for pick-up trucks. Their website has some photos of Fiat hard tops in the "company history" section. The one for the 850 looks sort of like yours. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 30 15:18:47 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:47 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks very similar to my SnugTop (3rd party accessory hardtop), except that my Snugtop has quarter windows. Otherwise, same exterior and interior finish, same hardware. Maybe the quarter windows were optional. My Snugtop has a manufacturers ID plate on the inside. Definitely not a factory top. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 11/30/08 7:01 AM, Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken) at lists at brits-n-pieces.com wrote: > Hello, > > can anybody identify the hardtop shown in the pictures? I was told it is > from an MGB, but Clausager says the original hardtop is supposed to have > side windows!?! The outer surface is black vinyl, the inner surface is just > painted. Material is - I think - GRP and the window is glass. > > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00025.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00026.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00028.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00029.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00030.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00031.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00032.JPG > http://www.brits-n-pieces.com/@temp/DSC00033.JPG > > Anybody out there who is more knowledgable? What is the value of such a > hardtop? > > Thank you. > > Eric From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 30 19:17:42 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:17:42 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question References: <4933077B.2080707@stclegal.com> <1372566BEBA7485BBE047BFC3EA26B71@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: <003401c9535b$2ee92350$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> you can crate it yourself and ship it via forward air. about 5 years ago i shipped one for about $50 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "MG List" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] hardtop question > If anyone out there is looking for one exactly the one pictured I have one > stored on top of my 64 B. It just is a hassle to take it on and off all > the time. Any reasonable offer takes it away. Problem is getting it from > where I am in southern Rhode Island. Shipping costs would be prohibitive I > imagine and crating it even more expensive. > Frank Krajewski