From montejane at gmail.com  Thu May  1 01:50:04 2008
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:50:04 -1200
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
In-Reply-To: <496477.93119.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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David,
I have made an oak, two cup holder for my console (79B) that fits between
the radio and the gear shift. I've used it for over 5 years now and it works
great and is removable by one hand to access the heater controls if needed.
I can send you a picture in about a month as we are now in Southeast Asia
and China for another 5 weeks.
Monte

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:32 PM, David Breneman <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> --- Murray Arundell <arundell at ghs.com.au> wrote:
>
> > What is it with all you Yanks?  Why don't you simply drink your dam
> > coffee in the kitchen or cafi?
>
> Cup holders aren't for coffee, Murray, they're for beer.
>
>
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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Thu May  1 02:19:33 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
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 "What is it with all you Yanks?  Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee
in the kitchen or cafi?  I can never understand why one race of people
decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of
mobile Starbucks.......... :-)"

Here here!!  When I'm driving Sammy I'm too busy driving to be worried about
drinking coffee.  Filling your car with more cupholders than seats appears
to be an exclusively American preoccupation - rather like cruise control,
and automatic gearboxes, stuff to help you do anything other than drive your
car, while you're driving your car.

I don't like coffee (or tea, despite being British), on the rare occasions I
feel the need to drink in my car I'll just clasp a bottle or can between my
thighs...

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 06:42:07 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
Message-ID: <662554.80244.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to have some caffeine as you go along!
 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
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'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....  
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----- Original Message ----
From: Murray Arundell <arundell at ghs.com.au>
To: Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com>; mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 12:27:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder?

What is it with all you Yanks?  Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee
in the kitchen or cafi?  I can never understand why one race of people
decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of
mobile Starbucks.......... :-)

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barney
Gaylord
Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 1:32 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder?

At 12:40 PM 4/30/2008 -0500, Jack Feldman wrote:
>....
>I was wondering what other folks do for cup holders.

A 20 oz paper cup fits nicely in the door pocket of my MGA.  For a
quart size mug I improvise with cardboard and duct tape, like this:
http://mgaguru.com/ak/pic10/10-19.htm

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From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu May  1 07:09:54 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:39:54 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
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On 01/05/2008, at 1:57 PM, Murray Arundell wrote:

> What is it with all you Yanks?  Why don't you simply drink your dam  
> coffee
> in the kitchen or cafi?  I can never understand why one race of people
> decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some  
> kind of
> mobile Starbucks.......... :-)
>
>

Although it doesn't really bother me what other people do in their  
cars, I have to sort-of, kind-of agree with Murray (yeah, we Aussies  
sometimes stick together :-)

My longest "regular" drive is to the racetrack - which means a 50  
minute cruise.  I can last that long without a coffee if I have one  
before I leave and one when I get there!

Longer than that, I can sometimes drive interstate for 9 or so hours  
- but if I am hanging out for a coffee I will generally pull over at  
a roadhouse and revive myself with a fifteen minute break and a  
coffee in the restaurant.

Drinking and driving means having one hand off the wheel and your  
concentration off the road briefly so I wouldn't recommend that in  
traffic.  In fact I had a small altercation with a women in a car in  
Sydney one time.  My fault because I changed lanes into her in heavy  
traffic (I was watching the fool in front of my who decided to pull  
out at the same time) but I did ask her why she didn't beep her horn  
when she saw my indicator on and as I started to move over.  It could  
have avoided the "scrape" all together.

Her look answered my question - along with the cup of coffee in her  
hand and the coffee stain on her blouse!  She didn't have a hand free  
to honk the horn!

But as has also been mentioned - if I am thirsty I may hold a bottle  
of water between my legs (cold water is great on a warm day :-) or I  
might have a bottle wedged between the tunnel and the passenger seat  
that I can grab for a quick drink if I am dehydrating in 100+ degree  
heat.

Cupholders?  Sheesh, next you will be wanting on-board computers and  
DVD players!

:-)

I guess the Americans get caught in more traffic jams than us so they  
need their coffee.



Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From eric at erickson.on.net  Thu May  1 07:19:13 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:49:13 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
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On 01/05/2008, at 10:12 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote:

> Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to  
> have some caffeine as you go along!
>
>

What a controversy!

Could "cup holders" tear the MG List apart.

Comrade against comrade - at each others' throats.

(I wonder if my coffee would have spilled in a cupholder when I was  
rear-ended last week :-)



Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 09:48:19 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] RIP Frank Huber
Message-ID: <500350.71343.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Saw this come across from Google. Frank's name seems familiar, was he a poster here?

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19528732&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21847&rfi=6
 
Dan D
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'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....  
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From rmort at bezeqint.net  Thu May  1 10:58:55 2008
From: rmort at bezeqint.net (R. Martin Rogovein)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:58:55 +0300
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
References: <662554.80244.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7C094D6C-2AF2-426C-9BFC-9BE6A79934D9@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <005201c8abac$c4b4b180$363519ac@bigmort>

BTW, there is a story that the cupholder actually dates to the first car.
Apparently, Mr. Benz was driving the first PatentWagen to meet a group of
potential investors, and took his coffee with him in the car.  Of course, he
spilled it all over his slacks, and looked like an idiot at the
presentation.  He immediately rushed home and invented the cupholder.

Probably apocryphal, but it makes for a good story.

Martin
'70 B driveway sculpture (fried OD)
Tel Aviv
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  1 12:43:06 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:43:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>

saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere too)

anyone know what car this is?


http://www.ranteer.com/misc/

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:05:39 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:05:39 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
Message-ID: <21FB724F-3E69-4E32-AC98-63598C718A69@gmail.com>

looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield

What's the ad for?


On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote:

> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture  
> somewhere too)
>
> anyone know what car this is?
>
>
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/
> _______________________________________________

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 13:07:57 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
Message-ID: <119478.65460.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Austin Healey 100m? or the like?  Kind of reminds me of the fold down frame.
  Carl French

Oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere too)

anyone know what car this is?


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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 13:10:17 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <21FB724F-3E69-4E32-AC98-63598C718A69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <529419.57828.qm@web51906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Looks like Paul wins :-)
  Carl

Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
  looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield

What's the ad for?


On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote:

> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture 
> somewhere too)
>
> anyone know what car this is?
>
>
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From jello at ida.net  Thu May  1 13:10:34 2008
From: jello at ida.net (jello at ida.net)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:10:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
Message-ID: <4579.209.180.80.45.1209669034.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>

Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA.  All I had to see was the upper
left hand corner, and I knew that.  The banjo steering wheel's hub and the
support bracket confirmed it.

Watch, now I'll be wrong....

Phil Bates
> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere
> too)
>
> anyone know what car this is?
>
>
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 13:36:02 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
Message-ID: <150418.15751.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I dunno, if you look at the (admittedly blurry) seat, it looks more contoured than an A's. Also, isn't that the top in the background, just aft of the model's wrist? I would guess an A-H, with Carl.
 
Dan D
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----- Original Message ----
From: "jello at ida.net" <jello at ida.net>
To: Oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car?

Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA.  All I had to see was the upper
left hand corner, and I knew that.  The banjo steering wheel's hub and the
support bracket confirmed it.

Watch, now I'll be wrong....

Phil Bates
> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere
> too)
>
> anyone know what car this is?
>
>
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/
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From dscott1 at sonoma-county.org  Thu May  1 13:37:24 2008
From: dscott1 at sonoma-county.org (Don Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:37:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
Message-ID: <s819b991.037@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>

For the scholars-
What year or model MGA is it?  And does it have wire or
disc wheels?



>>> Carl French 05/01/08 12:10 PM >>>
Looks like Paul wins :-)
  Carl

Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
  looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield

What's the ad for?


On May 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Oliver wrote:

> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the
picture 
> somewhere too)
>
> anyone know what car this is?
>
>
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ 
> _______________________________________________
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  1 13:45:37 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
References: <s819b991.037@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
Message-ID: <001f01c8abc3$f1e6b420$6a1f10ac@garage.local>

"shown here top to bottom, and complements of lord & taylor are Stein and 
Blye, goldtone link bracelet, Robert Rose, goldtone round link bracelet, 
Michael Kors, goldtone link watch with white leather, AK Anne Klein, 
goldtone padlock charm watch bracelet."

never read the ad until now.

pulled it out of some summer shopping catlog my daughter had.  she thinks 
i'm really funny because i always want to know what the car is.  sometimes i 
even know ;-)

thanks to all!


> Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
>  looks like a MGA from the bracket on the windshield
>
> What's the ad for?

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:55:25 2008
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:55:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <4579.209.180.80.45.1209669034.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
	<4579.209.180.80.45.1209669034.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>
Message-ID: <40b437200805011255odd0ff76gf24ae8ef36c2463c@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, the support bracket/handle marks it as definitely an MGA

One of the first repairs I made on my MGA was to replace the bracket
that the hood attaches to. This requires a partial dismantling of the
windshield. I would recognize an MGA windsheild anywhere.

Regards,
Simon

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:10 PM,  <jello at ida.net> wrote:
> Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA.  All I had to see was the upper
>  left hand corner, and I knew that.  The banjo steering wheel's hub and the
>  support bracket confirmed it.
>
>  Watch, now I'll be wrong....
>
>  Phil Bates

From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Thu May  1 14:03:14 2008
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com><000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
	<4579.209.180.80.45.1209669034.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>
Message-ID: <00bb01c8abc6$63f6eba0$6401a8c0@RicksPC>

Without a doubt this is an MGA

Rick
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jello at ida.net>
To: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 15:10
Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car?


> Anyone that drives one knows it's an MGA.  All I had to see was the upper
> left hand corner, and I knew that.  The banjo steering wheel's hub and the
> support bracket confirmed it.
>
> Watch, now I'll be wrong....
>
> Phil Bates
>> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere
>> too)
>>
>> anyone know what car this is?

From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 15:12:19 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!
Message-ID: <C6DB996D6B6D40A2A2C9BB5EC7291E16@StusLaptopPC>

Hello all, 

 

Most valuable info I've seen yet!  ;-).  I've been getting the digest for a
long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be
able to contribute a bit too.   And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. 

 

A quick update on me:  I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969,
second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior
and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new).  My son
has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting
completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket
(I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner
'73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in
basket, rest is intact)  that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer.
I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days.

 

I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some
parts soon.  I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available.
Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored.  Anybody need
anything?  I probably have it. 

 

So, you can tell I'm an old f**t!

 

Stuart MacMillan

Seattle

 

P.S.:  The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't spend
the time stuck in traffic that I do!

From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 15:42:18 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!
In-Reply-To: <002101c8abd1$65587670$05810fce@D3N5Y331>
References: <C6DB996D6B6D40A2A2C9BB5EC7291E16@StusLaptopPC>
	<002101c8abd1$65587670$05810fce@D3N5Y331>
Message-ID: <F7F3D9B724D34CF88F2022C8D873E28D@StusLaptopPC>

Hi Frank,

I'll have to check, I may.  IIRC, my early boxes are small input shaft
versions, and there is a pilot bushing that will reduce a larger crank shaft
hole to accept these.  Moss used to sell one anyway.  I'm a bit out of touch
still.  I do have a rebuilt late model OD if you want to bash out the tunnel
and change starters!

Stuart


-----Original Message-----
From: frank [mailto:frankk at intap.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:22 PM
To: Stuart MacMillan
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!

Stuart: Welcome! I have a 1964 B as well. Do you happen to have an od tranny

for a 3 main B?
Frank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart MacMillan" <macgroup at comcast.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!


> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Most valuable info I've seen yet!  ;-).  I've been getting the digest for 
> a
> long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be
> able to contribute a bit too.   And the digest is a PITA to read anyway.
>
>
>
> A quick update on me:  I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969,
> second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete 
> interior
> and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new).  My son
> has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting
> completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket
> (I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner
> '73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in
> basket, rest is intact)  that I'm going to find a new owner for this 
> summer.
> I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days.
>
>
>
> I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some
> parts soon.  I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny 
> available.
> Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored.  Anybody need
> anything?  I probably have it.
>
>
>
> So, you can tell I'm an old f**t!
>
>
>
> Stuart MacMillan
>
> Seattle
>
>
>
> P.S.:  The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't 
> spend
> the time stuck in traffic that I do!

From hardt at sonic.net  Thu May  1 16:52:08 2008
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:52:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <s819b991.037@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
References: <s819b991.037@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
Message-ID: <481A4998.6010701@sonic.net>

It's a 58 with disk wheels ;-)

Ron
58 MGA


Don Scott wrote:

> For the scholars-
> What year or model MGA is it?  And does it have wire or
> disc wheels?

From battanhr at comcast.net  Thu May  1 17:13:29 2008
From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:13:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
In-Reply-To: <481A4998.6010701@sonic.net>
References: <s819b991.037@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
	<481A4998.6010701@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <A2AA5B06E9F54B47B61DF8C049E5C5BF@xps410>

Actually, it looks just like my '57 that has the Dunlop 'Twin Cam" center 
lock disk wheel and 4-wheel disk brakes. Hard to tell by that picture, 
however.

Howard Battan
'54 TF 1250
'57 MGA roadster
'79 MGB roadster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Engelhardt" <hardt at sonic.net>
To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] what is the car?


> It's a 58 with disk wheels ;-)
>
> Ron
> 58 MGA
>
>
> Don Scott wrote:
>
>> For the scholars-
>> What year or model MGA is it?  And does it have wire or
>> disc wheels?
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Thu May  1 17:25:27 2008
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:25:27 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
In-Reply-To: <7C094D6C-2AF2-426C-9BFC-9BE6A79934D9@erickson.on.net>
References: <662554.80244.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7C094D6C-2AF2-426C-9BFC-9BE6A79934D9@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <006201c8abe2$a48ef510$edacdf30$@com.au>

There have been more post on the coffee cup issue than anything I can
remember...... A little sad really.  Anyway I never drink and drive... I
spill too much.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric
Erickson
Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 11:19 PM
To: MG list
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Cup Holder?

On 01/05/2008, at 10:12 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote:

> Murray, a lot of long commutes here in the States make it vital to  
> have some caffeine as you go along!
>
>

What a controversy!

Could "cup holders" tear the MG List apart.

Comrade against comrade - at each others' throats.

(I wonder if my coffee would have spilled in a cupholder when I was  
rear-ended last week :-)



Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia
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From MGTDB at aol.com  Thu May  1 18:25:05 2008
From: MGTDB at aol.com (MGTDB at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:25:05 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
Message-ID: <bd4.2e2cb0cf.354bb961@aol.com>

Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an  MGB.   I 
was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size  did you use and how 
has it worked out.......
 
Thanks,
 
Karyn
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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 18:56:23 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:56:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
In-Reply-To: <bd4.2e2cb0cf.354bb961@aol.com>
Message-ID: <566722.39732.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You can easily do 175/70/14. I would imagine there are many using 185/70/14 as well but the 4.5 rim is pretty narrow for that. Kumho makes some good tires and some so so tires. They seem to make fairly good touring tires. I would look at the reviews at the tire rack as they sell the line.
  Carl

MGTDB at aol.com wrote:
  Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an MGB. I 
was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size did you use and how 
has it worked out.......

Thanks,

Karyn
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From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 18:57:07 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!
In-Reply-To: <027f01c8abdf$08bc1620$6401a8c0@Larry>
References: <C6DB996D6B6D40A2A2C9BB5EC7291E16@StusLaptopPC>
	<027f01c8abdf$08bc1620$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <B322ED45443A487282F08B1B81D44008@StusLaptopPC>

Hi Larry,

I have no idea what it's worth.  I took it out of a '74 GT way back in the
early '90's, and rebuilt it completely.  It worked fine, I just rebuilt it
for the fun of it. I've done two others with good results, so I think I know
what I'm doing. 

That said, I'd have to sell it "as is, no warranty" since I've never tested
it. I'll check around and see what these go for.

Feel free to make me an offer.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Daniels [mailto:ladaniels at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:00 PM
To: Stuart MacMillan
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!

Stuart, what would you be looking for on the late OD trans?

Larry Daniels



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart MacMillan" <macgroup at comcast.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!


Hello all,



Most valuable info I've seen yet!  ;-).  I've been getting the digest for a
long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be
able to contribute a bit too.   And the digest is a PITA to read anyway.



A quick update on me:  I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969,
second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior
and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new).  My son
has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting
completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket
(I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner
'73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in
basket, rest is intact)  that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer.
I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days.



I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some
parts soon.  I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available.
Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored.  Anybody need
anything?  I probably have it.



So, you can tell I'm an old f**t!



Stuart MacMillan

Seattle



P.S.:  The bloke who wonders why we need cup holders obviously doesn't spend
the time stuck in traffic that I do!
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 19:01:32 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
Message-ID: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey gang,

Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of
you Land Rover owners?

BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side
window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side
gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke
months
ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track
at the lower edge of the glass have shattered,
separated and are probably somewhere down in the
bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper
(than the dealer) source for replacement control arms,
complete with their crappy little fragile plastic
rollers? Please share.

Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an
affordable source for these parts too? Please share.

And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear
wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive
price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper
limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped
rear window. 

Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and
accelerating and you have a pretty problematical
vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load
straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a
ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is
why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda
CR-V. :-o

regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources,

rick
'03 Discovery
lots of other junk

From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 19:11:06 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
In-Reply-To: <bd4.2e2cb0cf.354bb961@aol.com>
References: <bd4.2e2cb0cf.354bb961@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FEA76E2706A64F069BCBC68740040EAC@StusLaptopPC>

Hi Karyn,

Don't know about the Kumhos, but I put a set of Sumitomo HTR 200 175 R14
tires on new Dayton wire wheels from www.britishwirewheels.com and I love
them!  That was about five years ago, so the tires are probably NLA the way
manufacturers change products.

If you are using your original wires, then you need to put tubes in.  I got
tired of the rust bits making punctures in my tubes so I finally broke down
and bought new wires that are sealed with silicone caulk.  The old wheels
vibrated at 60 mph anyway, and could not be tuned.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
MGTDB at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:25 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires

Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an  MGB.   I 
was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size  did you use and
how 
has it worked out.......
 
Thanks,
 
Karyn
57 MGA
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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 19:19:44 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
In-Reply-To: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <169861.50769.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This seems to be a popular company;
   
  http://www.roversnorth.com/store/c-500-discovery-ii.aspx

Rick Lindsay <rolindsay at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Hey gang,

Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of
you Land Rover owners?

BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side
window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side
gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke
months
ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track
at the lower edge of the glass have shattered,
separated and are probably somewhere down in the
bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper
(than the dealer) source for replacement control arms,
complete with their crappy little fragile plastic
rollers? Please share.

Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an
affordable source for these parts too? Please share.

And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear
wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive
price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper
limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped
rear window. 

Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and
accelerating and you have a pretty problematical
vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load
straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a
ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is
why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda
CR-V. :-o

regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources,

rick
'03 Discovery
lots of other junk
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From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 19:22:13 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:22:13 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
In-Reply-To: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD04FDBF85B34EB797D51130B1038E64@StusLaptopPC>

Put the engine and ECU in an MGB, and have the carcass hauled off, or sell
it on eBay!  

Seriously, the big problem with LRs (and many other cars) is poor quality
parts from their suppliers. You'll just have to live with that if you keep
it.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick
Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:02 PM
To: MGS; tr3a; sl
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT

Hey gang,

Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of
you Land Rover owners?

BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side
window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side
gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke
months
ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track
at the lower edge of the glass have shattered,
separated and are probably somewhere down in the
bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper
(than the dealer) source for replacement control arms,
complete with their crappy little fragile plastic
rollers? Please share.

Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an
affordable source for these parts too? Please share.

And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear
wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive
price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper
limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped
rear window. 

Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and
accelerating and you have a pretty problematical
vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load
straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a
ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is
why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda
CR-V. :-o

regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources,

rick
'03 Discovery
lots of other junk
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From mg.carma at verizon.net  Thu May  1 19:27:47 2008
From: mg.carma at verizon.net (mg.carma)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
Message-ID: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>

can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?

take a look:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jpg

any ideas?

alarm?

seems to be factory

K

From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 19:28:53 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
Message-ID: <CF6489C6946E47AEB0C7CF6CFD729D3D@StusLaptopPC>

http://tinyurl.com/5wb2p5

 

I'd better get that storage room cleaned out!

From trijagparts at mindspring.com  Thu May  1 19:39:15 2008
From: trijagparts at mindspring.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:39:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holder?
In-Reply-To: <00c901c8ab43$b51267e0$1f3737a0$@com.au>
References: <48720d20804301040o1468ff89j622278acc2c681e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080501033149.0FD9E1878B5@autox.team.net>
	<00c901c8ab43$b51267e0$1f3737a0$@com.au>
Message-ID: <20080502013916.LNLI4495.aarprv04.charter.net@brad-wilson.mindspring.com>

At 11:27 PM 30/04/2008, you wrote:
>What is it with all you Yanks?  Why don't you simply drink your dam coffee
>in the kitchen or cafi?  I can never understand why one race of people
>decided to turn a machine designed to transport people into some kind of
>mobile Starbucks.......... :-)
>
>Murray Arundell
>Brisbane Australia

As a Canadian living in the US, I am going to have to break ranks 
with my commonwealth companions and side with the Yanks on this 
one.  American driving conditions & distances make cup holders a 
valuable accessory, not unlike automatic gearboxes for that 
matter.  I leave for work at 6am for an hour long motorway commute 
and greatly appreciate the cup holder in my XJ6.

On a recent drive from Nantes to Bordeaux and back, my only criticism 
of the Citroen rental car was that the cup holders were a joke!  They 
could not support a bottle of water under even the most gentle of 
braking, forcing me to recap it each time, or place it between my 
knees, hardly conducive to safe driving.

Brad

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu May  1 19:43:12 2008
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:43:12 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
In-Reply-To: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10805011843s51ea4c65x7b6ce9c0b5e50340@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas
invented the intermittent wiper.  Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in
the rain.




> Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
> assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
> weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
> kinds of days when you need wipers!

From arundell at ghs.com.au  Thu May  1 19:46:54 2008
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:46:54 +1000
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
In-Reply-To: <FD04FDBF85B34EB797D51130B1038E64@StusLaptopPC>
References: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FD04FDBF85B34EB797D51130B1038E64@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <00aa01c8abf6$67287bb0$35797310$@com.au>

I love LRs and RRs too.  Have had a few of each but no more.  Just bought a
Mercedes ML and there is no comparison in build quality, appointments and
performance.  Better residuals too.  Sure the ML wont "climb every mountain"
but it will go where I want it to and drag my car trailer anywhere.

I suggest that you get in touch with the Land Rover Owners Club.  There will
be chapters throughout the USA.  They will be able to point you in the right
direction for reasonably priced spares.  Land Rover Dealers are unbelievable
with the prices they charge.

Murray Arundell
Brisbane Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+arundell=ghs.com.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart
MacMillan
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 11:22 AM
To: 'Rick Lindsay'; 'MGS'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT

Put the engine and ECU in an MGB, and have the carcass hauled off, or sell
it on eBay!  

Seriously, the big problem with LRs (and many other cars) is poor quality
parts from their suppliers. You'll just have to live with that if you keep
it.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick
Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:02 PM
To: MGS; tr3a; sl
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT

Hey gang,

Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of
you Land Rover owners?

BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side
window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side
gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke
months
ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track
at the lower edge of the glass have shattered,
separated and are probably somewhere down in the
bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper
(than the dealer) source for replacement control arms,
complete with their crappy little fragile plastic
rollers? Please share.

Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an
affordable source for these parts too? Please share.

And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear
wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive
price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper
limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped
rear window. 

Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and
accelerating and you have a pretty problematical
vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load
straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a
ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is
why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda
CR-V. :-o

regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources,

rick
'03 Discovery
lots of other junk
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From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 20:41:23 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:41:23 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder
Message-ID: <DF087BDBD5B54EC18BB3253D0DB5C7FF@StusLaptopPC>

This works really well.  I also put one in my daughter's GT, I attached it
to the tunnel (with a screw).  It fits neatly between the shifter and the
console, and folds up out of the way.  Nice design, and heavy duty.  Not big
enough for a 64oz Big Gulp though!

 

http://tinyurl.com/6xd9wk

 

Stuart

From RonFineEsq at earthlink.net  Thu May  1 20:44:41 2008
From: RonFineEsq at earthlink.net (Ron Fine)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:44:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
References: <bd4.2e2cb0cf.354bb961@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002101c8abfe$79ad9100$6401a8c0@XPS400>

I recently mounted new Kumho tires, 175 70 R14 Power Star 758 on factory 
wire wheels.  They look good and run well on the street.  I'm happy with 
them.

Ron
66 MGB
61 BN7

> Sometime ago there was a posting about putting Kumho tires on an  MGB.   I
> was wondering if anyone has put Kumhos on wires, what size  did you use 
> and how
> has it worked out.......
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karyn
> 57 MGA
> 67 MGB

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:51:11 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:51:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
In-Reply-To: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <394923.47845.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

My guess would be an old alarm system. Some of them had keys.
  Carl
   
  

"mg.carma" <mg.carma at verizon.net> wrote:
  can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?

take a look:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jpg

any ideas?

alarm?

seems to be factory

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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:52:37 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
In-Reply-To: <CF6489C6946E47AEB0C7CF6CFD729D3D@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <469563.18911.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You can ASK any price you want. Having said that, the price on eBay seems to now be a minimum of $700.
  Carl

Stuart MacMillan <macgroup at comcast.net> wrote:
  http://tinyurl.com/5wb2p5



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From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net  Thu May  1 20:53:39 2008
From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
In-Reply-To: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFMEHACBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>

An alarm is possible.

Maybe a battery cutoff switch creatively engineered to work with your door
key.

I've never heard of such a thing being done by the factory but Paul Hunt
would likely know if they did.

Eric in Florida (nice warm spring weather)

1974 B

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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:28 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?


can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?

take a look:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.
jpg

any ideas?

alarm?

seems to be factory

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From batangelias at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 20:54:16 2008
From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] now intermittent wiper
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10805011843s51ea4c65x7b6ce9c0b5e50340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <632433.56944.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just a point of clarification was it not Robert Kearns (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54564-2005Feb25.html) or a certain Mr. Harada from Japan who have a greater claim to inventing the intermittent wiper?



Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com> wrote: I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas
invented the intermittent wiper.  Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in
the rain.




> Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
> assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
> weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
> kinds of days when you need wipers!
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:03:11 2008
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] now intermittent wiper
In-Reply-To: <632433.56944.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <a3b984e10805011843s51ea4c65x7b6ce9c0b5e50340@mail.gmail.com>
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Whoosh!

Naw it was Lucas, they invented it right after they invented the world's
first self dimming headlight.

(Hint: go back and read the last sentence of my first post)

~VBG~
Rick

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Martin C. Galan <batangelias at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Just a point of clarification was it not Robert Kearns (
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54564-2005Feb25.html) or a
> certain Mr. Harada from Japan who have a greater claim to inventing the
> intermittent wiper?
>
>
>
> *Richard Ewald <richard.ewald at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> I don't have a parts source for you, but this made me recall that Lucas
> invented the intermittent wiper. Works fine on sunny days, doesn't work in
> the rain.
>
>
>
>
> > Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
> > assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
> > weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
> > kinds of days when you need wipers!
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From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May  1 21:14:30 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
In-Reply-To: <394923.47845.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>
	<394923.47845.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10D8D7D414E247DD80ED21CC82E1D944@StusLaptopPC>

Yes, most likely an alarm switch.  Kinda cool, actually.  Just pull the
interior panel off the rear quarter inside and check it out. You will have
to remove the top frame, but then you will know for sure. 

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl
French
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:51 PM
To: mg.carma; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] two door locks?

My guess would be an old alarm system. Some of them had keys.
  Carl
   
  

"mg.carma" <mg.carma at verizon.net> wrote:
  can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?

take a look:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.
jpg

any ideas?

alarm?

seems to be factory

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From MGMagnette at aol.com  Thu May  1 21:21:53 2008
From: MGMagnette at aol.com (MGMagnette at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:21:53 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
Message-ID: <d29.23d6fa68.354be2d1@aol.com>

I guess this is a good time to ask...  Anyone in the Northeast selling  an OD 
Tranny?  I've got a '72 B which would just love one.   -John



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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Thu May  1 22:45:07 2008
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:45:07 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT
In-Reply-To: <284074.14447.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F468@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

The only cheap part I have had a problem with on my Land Rover Discovery
is the cup holder (how is that for on topic?). And in the USA, cup
holders are a key selling point for a car. Sometimes the retracting cup
holder does not slide all the way back in the dash and it only holds
narrow cups, definitely less than 16 oz capacity.

But having said that, I don't buy parts from the dealer but then the
closest one is at least 500 miles away. I do mail order mostly through
Atlantic British:
http://www.roverparts.com/

But if I ever need something obscure, I would probably order from Rimmer
Bros in the UK:

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/discovery/discoveryindx

So far my LR has been fairly reliable and what maintenance I have done
was easy even though it was moderately expensive (replace suspension air
bags, fix electrical problem with SRS light). Off roading has been
exceptional, exceeding the performance of my Landcruiser.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B
74 Toyota Landcruiser
01 Land Rover Discovery II


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Rick Lindsay
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:02 PM
To: MGS; tr3a; sl
Subject: [Mgs] Advice needed, WAY OT

Hey gang,

Forgive my slow-time off-topic post, but are any of
you Land Rover owners?

BOTH of my 2003 Land Rover Discovery's front side
window mechanisms are broken. The passenger side
gave-way about two days ago. The driver's side broke
months
ago. The little plastic rollers that run in the track
at the lower edge of the glass have shattered,
separated and are probably somewhere down in the
bowels of the door. Question is: Is there a cheaper
(than the dealer) source for replacement control arms,
complete with their crappy little fragile plastic
rollers? Please share.

Okay, same question about the wiper stalk switch
assembly. And yes, its broken too. Works okay in hot
weather but fails on cold rainy days. You know, the
kinds of days when you need wipers! Do you know of an
affordable source for these parts too? Please share.

And while we're at it it; I just bought a new rear
wiper blade from the dealer, at a STUPIDLY expensive
price. It lifts away from the glass at the upper
limit of its normal path, leaving a half-assed wiped
rear window.

Add that to a massive clunk when lifting and
accelerating and you have a pretty problematical
vehicle. Still, silly thing will pull a full tow load
straight up, is uber-fun to drive and will outlast a
ground-zero nuclear blast. And yes, all of that is
why I'm fixing it rather than trading it in on a Honda
CR-V. :-o

regards and thanks for any advice on parts sources,

rick
'03 Discovery
lots of other junk
_______________________________________________

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Thu May  1 22:57:06 2008
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:57:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul
Message-ID: <481A9F22.8040007@wi.net>

FWIW:
For you music aficionados, Milwaukee's Discovery World Museum is 
developing a new exhibit. When I was teaching I took classes for 12 day 
trips on he Denis Sullivan while it was in Florida.  It's quite a place 
and I'm glad they are honoring a fellow Waukesha WI boy.  Their web site 
is:  http://www.discoveryworld.org/    No mention it about the exhibit yet.

Here's the announcement:
*One-of-a-kind Exhibit to Open in June at Discovery World! *

We are truly excited to announce a brand new exhibit, "Les Paul's House 
of Sound," which will open at Discovery World in June. Les Paul has been 
at the forefront of music, entertainment, electronics and technology for 
nearly 80 years, and he got his start as a youngster right here in 
Waukesha, Wisconsin. This summer, Discovery World will use Les' personal 
collection to showcase the evolution of innovations like the modern 
electric guitar and sound mixing.

Most people know about the Les Paul guitar, but many don't know that he 
was a music and television star and a lifetime innovator who has 
inspired musicians and non-musicians for generations. Our exhibit will 
enable visitors to seek the inspiration and creative energy that have 
made Les a pioneer and renowned artist for decades. Starting in June, we 
will display inventions and instruments that nobody has seen in more 
than 50 years. The spirit of ingenuity and innovation in Les Paul is 
spirit of Wisconsin and Discovery World, and we can't wait to inspire 
"kids" from 8 - 80 with this unique experience.


Here's a piece about it on our NBC affiliate.  You have to sit through a 
Mazda 3 ad first.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/18424889.html?video=pop&t=a&brand=mkevideo

OK, now back to changing the oil in Sprite and MGA.

Dave
59 :{)
59 MGA 1500
05 MCS
Burlington WI

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May  2 01:59:55 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:59:55 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] what is the car?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000701c8abbb$33990700$6a1f10ac@garage.local>
Message-ID: <00f401c8ac2b$1702a680$0200a8c0@Three>

Dunno, but if her taste in jewellery is anything to go by it isn't going to 
be sophisticated ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> saw this car in an ad (i think there's a woman in the picture somewhere 
> too)
> anyone know what car this is?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May  2 02:03:09 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:03:09 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
References: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00f501c8ac2b$1740c0f0$0200a8c0@Three>

A PO added it, definitely not factory.  What makes you say it is?  Anyone 
could add a standard lock anywhere on the car.  Unlikely to be a lock there 
as it is behind the face of the B-post the main lock engages with.  Switch 
for an alarm?  Does make some sense being an RHD.  Remove the trim panel 
from behind the seat and have a look-see.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 05:14:16 2008
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul
In-Reply-To: <481A9F22.8040007@wi.net>
Message-ID: <370280.74042.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope they don't pass on the myth that Las Paul invented
the multitrack tape deck.  He bought the first one, but
Ampex engineers invented it (and I've met one of them).
Funny he feels compelled to repeat that story.  It's not
like he didn't have any real accomplishments of his own!


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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 05:33:28 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!
Message-ID: <125253.12151.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Welcome back, Stuart!
 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....  
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

----- Original Message ----
From: Stuart MacMillan <macgroup at comcast.net>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!

Hello all, 

 

Most valuable info I've seen yet!  ;-).  I've been getting the digest for a
long time just to glean the nuggets of good info like this, but I may be
able to contribute a bit too.   And the digest is a PITA to read anyway. 

 

A quick update on me:  I've got a '65 MGB roadster (purchased in 1969,
second owner) that I drive regularly, although it needs a complete interior
and exterior restoration (engine and transmission are nearly new).  My son
has a renovated and painted '64 pull handle roadster shell awaiting
completion in my garage, my daughter has a '72 GT with a blown head gasket
(I hope that's all it is) I plan on fixing someday, and I have a one owner
'73 rust free GT with OD (brought from Texas) basket case (body parts in
basket, rest is intact)  that I'm going to find a new owner for this summer.
I'll pop a few photos on Flickr one of these days.

 

I've also parted out several Bs, and will be selling or giving away some
parts soon.  I'll probably have one late and one early OD tranny available.
Time to dig myself out from under all the stuff I've stored.  Anybody need
anything?  I probably have it. 

 

So, you can tell I'm an old f**t!

From schultejim at msn.com  Fri May  2 05:35:42 2008
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:35:42 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
In-Reply-To: <d29.23d6fa68.354be2d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F34100945E7931F6DA71E80DBDA0@phx.gbl>

   Come  to  MG  2008 there will be one at the silent auction on Saturday
   night.
   Jim Schulte
   Aquatic Coordinator Souderton S.D.
   Co-Secretary Philadelphia MG Club
   Co-Coordinator MG 2008
   Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler
       ______________________________________________________________

From frankk at intap.net  Fri May  2 06:27:29 2008
From: frankk at intap.net (frank)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:27:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
References: <d29.23d6fa68.354be2d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003201c8ac4f$e4be9bf0$a4810fce@D3N5Y331>

John: I have a 72 B carcass that still has most of the engine and an od 
tranny in it. The car is a sad case. Some old farmer around here built a kit 
car and needed MGB body parts for it so he trashed a perfectly good 72 B but 
left the engine and od tranny intact. It has been sitting for quite some 
time so I have no idea of its condition. I have picked parts off the motor 
for some time so the only thing left is the block and head really and the od 
tranny.  I am in Rhode Island.
Frank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MGMagnette at aol.com>
To: <leylandauto at yahoo.com>; <macgroup at comcast.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny


>I guess this is a good time to ask...  Anyone in the Northeast selling  an 
>OD
> Tranny?  I've got a '72 B which would just love one.   -John

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 07:06:53 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:06:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder
Message-ID: <961434.83742.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I find it funny that it's a 'German-engineered' cupholder - as for many years, the German cars had among the worst cupholders made! My Audi A4 has a pop-out model in the dash that causes the beverage to sit directly in front of one of the air vents. So, if you have coffee in there, it cools it quickly, even if you close the vent. And it's positioned directly above the radio, so that any beverage that might sweat a little (like a water bottle in the summer) drips directly down on the radio's face. And when you fold it to push it back into the dash, it tilts enough so that any liquid that might have collected in the bottom, dumps directly on the radio! It also has the 'wobblies' if the bottle is a little narrow.

There are 2 cupholders in the center armrest, but if I use them, they interfere with my elbow when shifting. 

Oh well, I didn't but the Audi for the cupholders!
 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....  
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

----- Original Message ----
From: Stuart MacMillan <macgroup at comcast.net>
To: MGS <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:41:23 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder

This works really well.  I also put one in my daughter's GT, I attached it
to the tunnel (with a screw).  It fits neatly between the shifter and the
console, and folds up out of the way.  Nice design, and heavy duty.  Not big
enough for a 64oz Big Gulp though!

 

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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Fri May  2 08:14:32 2008
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:14:32 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Another cup holder
In-Reply-To: <961434.83742.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <961434.83742.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F469@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

Maybe the German engineering is responsible for the LR cup holder
fiasco. One of my tougher LR problems was the occasional appearance of
the SRS idiot light on the dash. I had no idea what this meant but a
search on the Internet revealed that this was a common BMW problem
related to the airbag! In the end and through a tip on a LR discussion
group, I found a loose wiring connection under the driver's seat related
to the seat belt warning system which apparently is part of this SRS
system. That was good because otherwise the problem could have been in
the airbag system embedded in the steering column.

One thing I like on the Land Rover is the good British engineering that
allows me to do my own repairs (so far). It replaced a Ford Explorer
that was fairly reliable but with the exception of replacing the shocks,
I had to have most of the work done by a professional shop.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B
74 Toyota Landcruiser
01 Land Rover Discovery II

-----Original Message-----

I find it funny that it's a 'German-engineered' cupholder - as for many
years, the German cars had among the worst cupholders made! My Audi A4
has a pop-out model in the dash that causes the beverage to sit directly
in front of one of the air vents. So, if you have coffee in there, it
cools it quickly, even if you close the vent. And it's positioned
directly above the radio, so that any beverage that might sweat a little
(like a water bottle in the summer) drips directly down on the radio's
face. And when you fold it to push it back into the dash, it tilts
enough so that any liquid that might have collected in the bottom, dumps
directly on the radio! It also has the 'wobblies' if the bottle is a
little narrow.

There are 2 cupholders in the center armrest, but if I use them, they
interfere with my elbow when shifting.

Oh well, I didn't but the Audi for the cupholders!

Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....
NAMGBR #5-2328
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From macgroup at comcast.net  Fri May  2 10:36:49 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:36:49 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] 1974 OD tranny info
Message-ID: <53D22A1F4CFF4885AA0175AD14F9C388@StusLaptopPC>

Boy, I went though some of my receipts for my failed GT restoration project.
That was depressing!  I don't really want to know what I've put into my MGs
over the last 40 years!  At least I have ONE that runs.

 

Anyway, it looks like I only have one OD tranny, and that's from a '74 GT
that I rebuilt in 1993. 

 

Listed below is what went into it.  I may have to put it on eBay to
determine what it's worth, and I'd have at least a $1000 reserve.

But, I may keep it for my daughter's '72, and sell hers (works great!) for
less.  I'm also going to sell my '73 project GT, but if I can't sell it for
restoration, I'll pull the OD out of it as well, it may be worth more than
the car.  It was also working fine.  

 

Rebuilt 1974 OD gearbox parts list:

 

Trans O/H kit: $270 (bearings, syncros and layshaft)

Ball bearings: $24

Rear mainshaft bearing: $20

OD o-ring set: $15

OD gasket set: $17

OD non-return valve kit: $12

OD thrust bearing: $60

OD annulus seal: $8

Rear seal: $5

Front cover seal: $3

Trans gasket set: $9

Appox 30 hrs labor:  priceless!

 

Total:  $443 1993 dollars

 

Total in 2008 dollars: about $650

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  2 10:52:42 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:52:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] two door locks?
In-Reply-To: <8F9CED22-2BD0-44CA-B3BE-FDBC7FBADEAF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C44094EA.177BA%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Um, it was buiilt on the day after the World Cup final? (hungover workers)

on 5/1/08 6:27 PM, mg.carma at mg.carma at verizon.net wrote:

> can anyone tell me why my RHD MGB has two door lock cylinders?
> 
> take a look:
> 
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1966%20MGB%20RHD/1966RHDMGB23.jp>
g
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> alarm?
> 
> seems to be factory
> 
> K

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:12:34 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:12:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul
In-Reply-To: <370280.74042.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <370280.74042.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481B4B82.3050901@gmail.com>

David Breneman wrote:
> I hope they don't pass on the myth that Las Paul invented
> the multitrack tape deck.  He bought the first one, but
> Ampex engineers invented it (and I've met one of them).
> Funny he feels compelled to repeat that story.  It's not
> like he didn't have any real accomplishments of his own!
The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his.

-The Roxter
--

From Otis15 at aol.com  Fri May  2 12:24:21 2008
From: Otis15 at aol.com (Otis15 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:24:21 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Good grief--price of OD tranny
Message-ID: <d02.31675b4b.354cb655@aol.com>

I have one that was rebuilt by British Auto in New York. I have the slips,  
it cost me 1871.00. They rebuilt a friends overdrive and done a great job. I 
had  it rebuilt for my 71 GT but it looks like a project I'm not going to get 
to. I'd  sell it for 1500.00. It's never been installed since the rebuild. 
Located in  N.E. Ohio.
 
                                                                              
                 Steve 
                                                                              
                 Hubbard Ohio
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2008 11:23:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
MGMagnette at aol.com writes:

I guess  this is a good time to ask...  Anyone in the Northeast selling  an  
OD 
Tranny?  I've got a '72 B which would just love one.    -John



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From qualitas.jack at gmail.com  Fri May  2 12:36:55 2008
From: qualitas.jack at gmail.com (Jack Feldman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Cup Holders
Message-ID: <48720d20805021136h72dcfb41y7aef13af442c8772@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the replies.

I didn't realize what a monster I had unleashed.

Jack

From Thgun at comporium.net  Fri May  2 13:05:53 2008
From: Thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:05:53 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump
References: <48720d20805021136h72dcfb41y7aef13af442c8772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c8ac87$8c3d01f0$4002a8c0@Tom03B2DF8FB9>

My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it.
Tom Gunderson

From macgroup at comcast.net  Fri May  2 13:36:24 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!
In-Reply-To: <C440ADB9.177CB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <B414B414692C42B88034C7BBBC9A6C49@StusLaptopPC>
	<C440ADB9.177CB%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <90B59F44FDA447FBB56C84D60CADEA8C@StusLaptopPC>

Thanks for the welcome, I need another diversion (and money pit).  At least
you are driving your MGB.  Once you park them nothing good happens.........

With our current "stressed" economy, it's a good time to find a painter/body
& fender man who'll moonlight.  Check the cards posted at any Wesco or other
body shop supplier.  You can also usually find paint booths to rent if you
want to DIY it.  

I'm going to post some photos of all this soon. But I digress.

You should be able to find someone you can work with in terms of what you do
and what they do to keep the costs down.  I did this with my son's '64. We
did all the patch panel welding and put new wings on, and we got all the
body prep and painting done really nicely for about $2000.  But that was in
2003, when times were pretty good. 

Of course, the shell is in my garage awaiting finishing, and now he has a
new baby!  So much for the MG for now.  Ironically, I started restoring my
'65 in 1979 when he was 3, and it sat in the garage until 1986 when I
finally got it back on the road.  He was 10, and I kind of got him into the
hobby at that point.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Heim [mailto:max_heim at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:39 AM
To: Stuart MacMillan
Subject: Re: [Mgs] cup holders---I'm re-joining the list!

on 5/2/08 10:51 AM, Stuart MacMillan at macgroup at comcast.net wrote:

> Good grief Max, is it STILL primer red?

Umm, yeah (he admits, sheepishly).

I don't have any facilitiies for doing bodywork. I have found that if you
try to strip a car in your driveway, it rusts faster than you can fix it
<g>.

I have managed to acquire four new wings, the outer sills and a rear valance
from a fellow lister So the parts are on hand, at least.

Hey, it runs...and I actually drive it, in public, and not just on sunny
weekends. I don't see too many other ones out there. Though I just saw an
Iris Blue (hence, early) B in SF Wednesday.

Oh, and Welcome Back.

Max

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri May  2 13:41:06 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:41:06 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <000801c8ac87$8c3d01f0$4002a8c0@Tom03B2DF8FB9>
References: <48720d20805021136h72dcfb41y7aef13af442c8772@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801c8ac87$8c3d01f0$4002a8c0@Tom03B2DF8FB9>
Message-ID: <7B21A714-0EE2-4621-A997-236F6CA7C51F@gmail.com>

When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I made a gasket  
out of cork
and was back in 20 minutes.

On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote:

> My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I rebuild it.
> Tom Gunderson
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From dscott1 at sonoma-county.org  Fri May  2 15:38:15 2008
From: dscott1 at sonoma-county.org (Don Scott)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:38:15 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump
Message-ID: <s81b2761.043@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>

try tightening the screws that hold the cylindrical body to
the base of the pump.  If it continues to leak because the
diaphragm is torn, I think it would be easier just to get
another pump.  I've rebuilt them, but you will spend quite a
bit of time and energy doing the rebuild if you haven't done
it before.

Don Scott
1962 MGA
1973 MGB GT (beautiful car needing finishing touches, which
happens to be for sale)
1991 Miata BRG 

>>> Paul Root 05/02/08 12:41 PM >>>
When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I
made a gasket  
out of cork
and was back in 20 minutes.

On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote:

> My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I
rebuild it.
> Tom Gunderson
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From battanhr at comcast.net  Fri May  2 16:03:37 2008
From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Late MGB oil filter adapter
In-Reply-To: <s81b2761.043@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
References: <s81b2761.043@ipmail1.sonoma-county.org>
Message-ID: <CB1C3CB4D3FC4FD194162A170A810DAD@RandyQosmio>

Hi, all. I am in need of an inverted oil filter adapter for my '79 MGB. It's
Moss # 460-910, listed as NA in the online catalog. I can use a good used one
or a new one. Anybody got one lying around getting dusty?

Thanks

Howard Battan
'54 MGTF
'57 MGA
'79 MGB

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Don Scott
  To: mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA fuel pump


  try tightening the screws that hold the cylindrical body to
  the base of the pump.  If it continues to leak because the
  diaphragm is torn, I think it would be easier just to get
  another pump.  I've rebuilt them, but you will spend quite a
  bit of time and energy doing the rebuild if you haven't done
  it before.

  Don Scott
  1962 MGA
  1973 MGB GT (beautiful car needing finishing touches, which
  happens to be for sale)
  1991 Miata BRG

  >>> Paul Root 05/02/08 12:41 PM >>>
  When mine was leaking, it was just the cap on the end. I
  made a gasket
  out of cork
  and was back in 20 minutes.

  On May 2, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Tom Gunderson wrote:

  > My pump seems to be leaking. Should I replace it or can I
  rebuild it.
  > Tom Gunderson
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From smarc at smarc.net  Fri May  2 23:04:51 2008
From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] steering rack gaiters
Message-ID: <481BF273.2060904@smarc.net>

Does anyone still have OEM quality MGB steering rack gaiters for sale? 
You know, the nice rubber ones, not the junky ones that were generally 
available... 

-- 

Marc

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat May  3 06:44:24 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] steering rack gaiters
In-Reply-To: <481BF273.2060904@smarc.net>
References: <481BF273.2060904@smarc.net>
Message-ID: <E38E0CF1-42C7-4A90-AD64-79C628590E79@gmail.com>

I changed my gaiters 5 years ago. And had no troubles.

On May 3, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Marc wrote:

> Does anyone still have OEM quality MGB steering rack gaiters for sale?
> You know, the nice rubber ones, not the junky ones that were generally
> available...
>
> -- 
>
> Marc
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May  3 19:54:20 2008
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:54:20 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net Spring fund drive
Message-ID: <481D174C.2090003@bradakis.com>

Gee, the beginning days of May, usually  pleasant spring weather.
Woke up to 34 degrees F with light snow falling the other morning
here in Salt Lake City.  Nice.  Springtime indeed!

Seasoned subscribers know the drill, here's an outline for others.
The Team.Net mailing lists -  http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo
and http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool ( I'm slowly getting
around to moving all the lists from majordomo to mailman )
FTP site, archives, wiki ( http://www.team.net/the-local ) are all
run by some dweeb who spends too much time hiding out in a
basement office whacking on computers instead of working on
and driving his cars.

Basically it is a labor of love that has been going on for roughly
20 years, 17 years since the Team.Net domain was registered on
April 11, 1991.  But there are some out of pocket expenses that
are needed to keep things going.  So once or twice a year I ask
for funding assistance to help cover the costs of this "free" service.

So if you have a few extra bucks on hand and want to stimulate the
Team.Net economy, check out http://www.team.net/donate.html
for details.

Thanks,
mjb.

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun May  4 08:28:20 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:28:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Mgs] New (to me, at least) online resource
Message-ID: <17869728.1209911301166.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear Readers,

Do The Monster Mash

I just found out about a website that will be a real boon to car enthusiasts, while at my friend Brett, who is planing to put new Corvette running gear in his Merkur coupe, he asked me if I had seen:

www.jaxed.com

It was put together by a Corvair guy and it searches many of the online resources for cars and parts and gives you a list of what is availabe on all lists - Amazing!!!  You also can narrow it down by state. Check it out!

Get on the sight - and click on the big MASH bar up by the top ......... then your in - have fun

Best,

Rick Feibusch
Venice Beach, Californis

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Sun May  4 15:34:33 2008
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:34:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach
Message-ID: <A40631DD-A1B4-4548-9853-25D325930CAF@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
A fellow MGA owner has posted this query.
I haven't a clue but want to impress him with my vast knowledge.  
That's why I post to the list:

"I want to know what the ratio is from the camshaft to the tach.  
Actually, how many revs of the flex shaft correspond to, say, 100 RPM.  
If I can establish this, I may be able to confirm, with a speed  
controlled motor, whether the tach is accurate. If it is, then I can  
make some marks on it, corresponding to major speed points."

How's that for an obscure number?
Any one able to answer this for him?
Cheers,
Dave Houser

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 18:50:12 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Off topic: source needed for heater air hose
Message-ID: <69644.18615.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey gang,

   As I slowly continue the restoration of my 308GTB, 
I find that I'm down to needing various odds-n-ends. 
Right now, I need a source for the 80mm (3-1/8") 
diameter air hose from the heater blowers up to the 
heat exchangers. I have one in place but the other 
one didn't survive the repainting process. I'd like 
to replace both sides. All advice appreciated. 

Rick
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun May  4 21:02:18 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
Message-ID: <392DC037-6DD0-4D02-8BC3-077F6CAC5A7E@gmail.com>

finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the  
dash put in.

I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't  
have the heater valve dial hooked up.
Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I  
just have the valve all the way open.

Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed  
normal or less. So I'm satisfied that
I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the  
heater core filled back up, but it seems good.

I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one,  
and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can
even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have  
a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily
enough.

It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79.  
It's $99 right now from Newegg.

I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got  
some decent weather.

Paul.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Sun May  4 23:43:38 2008
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 00:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach
In-Reply-To: <A40631DD-A1B4-4548-9853-25D325930CAF@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <A40631DD-A1B4-4548-9853-25D325930CAF@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080505072556.2D0C718763F@autox.team.net>

At 05:34 PM 5/4/2008 -0400, W. David Houser wrote:
>....
>"I want to know what the ratio is from the camshaft to the tach.
>Actually, how many revs of the flex shaft correspond to, say, 100 RPM.
>....

Crankshaft to camshaft is 1/2 reduction.
Camshaft to tach drive is 5/6 reduction.
Overall reduction is 1/2 x 5/6 = 5/12  (0.417/1).
Tack drive runs 417 turns per 1000 crankshaft revolutions.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 06:35:31 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:35:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
Message-ID: <818433.90301.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good deal, Paul. I was able to clear out an area in my garage so I can hopefully get back to my '76. Found most of my tools, too. I suspect you won't be needing the heater much, although around here, we're finally in that weird stage where the temp goes up 30 degrees during the day, so it's very cool in the am (40's) and very warm in the pm (70's).
 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....  
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: MG Mailing List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 11:02:18 PM
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road

finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the  
dash put in.

I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't  
have the heater valve dial hooked up.
Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I  
just have the valve all the way open.

Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed  
normal or less. So I'm satisfied that
I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the  
heater core filled back up, but it seems good.

I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one,  
and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can
even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have  
a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily
enough.

It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79.  
It's $99 right now from Newegg.

I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got  
some decent weather.

Paul.
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon May  5 07:18:26 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:18:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
In-Reply-To: <818433.90301.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <818433.90301.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E907BB4-91E2-4ECF-B372-DC2618735F81@gmail.com>

Drove it like a dream this morning. It's been too long since I've  
drive it.

Top up this morning. It will go down this afternoon. Parked next to a  
new 5-series BMW. Got a smile and a short conversation with the driver.

With the top up, I hear a lot more noise coming from the rear end.  
I've never dealt with that in 7 years. I guess I should look it over.

No shortage of work to do.

Paul.



On May 5, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote:

> Good deal, Paul. I was able to clear out an area in my garage so I  
> can hopefully get back to my '76. Found most of my tools, too. I  
> suspect you won't be needing the heater much, although around here,  
> we're finally in that weird stage where the temp goes up 30 degrees  
> during the day, so it's very cool in the am (40's) and very warm in  
> the pm (70's).
>
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
> '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
> To: MG Mailing List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 11:02:18 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
>
> finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the
> dash put in.
>
> I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't
> have the heater valve dial hooked up.
> Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I
> just have the valve all the way open.
>
> Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed
> normal or less. So I'm satisfied that
> I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the
> heater core filled back up, but it seems good.
>
> I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one,
> and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can
> even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have
> a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily
> enough.
>
> It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79.
> It's $99 right now from Newegg.
>
> I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got
> some decent weather.
>
> Paul.
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon May  5 08:33:23 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
Message-ID: <0C91EB83-7D1D-45D7-B9F2-BFFF68CC2757@gmail.com>

Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw  
two cars with the gas cover open
and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas.

Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I  
see are for pre-69 cars.

I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would  
that cap be vented?

Any other options?

Paul.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  5 08:48:36 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
References: <0C91EB83-7D1D-45D7-B9F2-BFFF68CC2757@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04cf01c8aebf$1a589a60$6401a8c0@Larry>

Paul, I have a locking cap on my 79.  The problem is that it came with the 
car, so I don't know where the PO got it.  They must be out there somewhere.

Larry Daniels


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "MG Mailing List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap


Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw
two cars with the gas cover open
and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas.

Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I
see are for pre-69 cars.

I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would
that cap be vented?

Any other options?

Paul.
You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net


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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Mon May  5 08:56:56 2008
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
In-Reply-To: <0C91EB83-7D1D-45D7-B9F2-BFFF68CC2757@gmail.com>
References: <0C91EB83-7D1D-45D7-B9F2-BFFF68CC2757@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c8aec0$4380d690$ca8283b0$@net>

I was able to use one of the standard locking caps that are or were on the
shelf at the chain parts stores.  I took a flat file and filed out two
grooves in the inside of the filler neck to accommodate the ridges that were
on the one I bought.  I just made sure the diameter of the main body fit
inside the neck snugly so the locking tabs could engage.  I believe the cap
was made by Standt, no marking on it anymore because I used lacquer thinner
to get it off so it would be plain silver/chrome.

Cheap solution

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:33 AM
To: MG Mailing List
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap

Saturday we were at a mall, and walking down the row of cars, I saw  
two cars with the gas cover open
and the cap gone. And I think someone is siphoning gas.

Being a '77, I don't have an option of a locking cap. The only ones I  
see are for pre-69 cars.

I suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would  
that cap be vented?

Any other options?

Paul.

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Mon May  5 09:54:45 2008
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
In-Reply-To: <002d01c8aec0$4380d690$ca8283b0$@net>
References: <0C91EB83-7D1D-45D7-B9F2-BFFF68CC2757@gmail.com>
	<002d01c8aec0$4380d690$ca8283b0$@net>
Message-ID: <003401c8aec8$7b683be0$7238b3a0$@net>

Sorry the company is Stant

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chad
Cooper
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:57 AM
To: 'Paul Root'; 'MG Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap

I was able to use one of the standard locking caps that are or were on the
shelf at the chain parts stores.  I took a flat file and filed out two
grooves in the inside of the filler neck to accommodate the ridges that were
on the one I bought.  I just made sure the diameter of the main body fit
inside the neck snugly so the locking tabs could engage.  I believe the cap
was made by Standt, no marking on it anymore because I used lacquer thinner
to get it off so it would be plain silver/chrome.

Cheap solution

From macgroup at comcast.net  Mon May  5 12:18:52 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
In-Reply-To: <c96.23026d79.3550a6a2@aol.com>
References: <c96.23026d79.3550a6a2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ABB4C331FCE647068E1B2D456BBA7858@StusLaptopPC>

It's a myth. ;-)  Problem is the nipples rust in place, both onto the spoke
and the rim.  You can replace spokes & nipples if the wheels are decent, but
that is also expensive. I bit the bullet and replaced mine with chrome wires
after about 43 years!  Actually, the rims and hubs are chrome, the spokes
stainless steel.  So maybe these can be tuned if needed in a few years.

 

Stuart                         

 

  _____  

From: MGTDB at aol.com [mailto:MGTDB at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:06 AM
To: macgroup at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Kumho tires

 

Oh good to know......   I thought there was a way to tighten the spokes????
Seems like I heard that somewhere in another incarnation...........





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From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon May  5 15:34:29 2008
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:34:29 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
Message-ID: <cc7.2fd86aa8.3550d765@aol.com>

They used to sell a spring that would fit in the neck and prevented a hose  
of any size from being inserted into the tank.  With this new problem  
surfacing, I'd expect they will be back on the market shortly and available at  your 
FLAPS.
 
Regards,

Robert B. Houston

74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual  Skinners Union
carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet  pleasingly formed, 
perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for  experienced hands, 
the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be  inspected and 
adjusted as
described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop  manual.


In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:34:26 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
ptrmgb at gmail.com writes:

And I  think someone is siphoning gas.

Being a '77, I don't have an option of  a locking cap. The only ones I  
see are for pre-69 cars.

I  suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would   
that cap be vented?

Any other  options?






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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  5 15:55:08 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gas cap
In-Reply-To: <cc7.2fd86aa8.3550d765@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C444D04C.1787A%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Before you all go jumping on this idea, a PO installed on of those
anti-siphon springs in my other car during the first gas crisis (it has one
of those external flip-top gas caps, so, no way to lock it). The result of
this is that with modern vapor-recovery pumps, you can only dribble in gas
at the slowest possible setting, while holding the nozzle in place with main
force. Even at that, it will click itself off three or four times during a
fill-up, making every trip to the gas station a lengthy PITA.

In the MGB, you can add to this the undignified and uncomfortable posture of
bending over at the waist in order to reach the inlet. All in all, I really
couldn't recommend this approach to the problem.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 5/5/08 2:34 PM, RampantNM at aol.com at RampantNM at aol.com wrote:

> They used to sell a spring that would fit in the neck and prevented a hose
> of any size from being inserted into the tank.  With this new problem
> surfacing, I'd expect they will be back on the market shortly and available at
> your 
> FLAPS.
>  
> Regards,
> 
> Robert B. Houston
> 
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget

> 
> In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:34:26 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> ptrmgb at gmail.com writes:
> 
> And I  think someone is siphoning gas.
> 
> Being a '77, I don't have an option of  a locking cap. The only ones I
> see are for pre-69 cars.
> 
> I  suppose I could get a pre-69 neck and the locking cap. But would
> that cap be vented?
> 
> Any other  options?

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Mon May  5 16:27:46 2008
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:27:46 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues.
Message-ID: <050520082227.26858.481F89E2000EB0BE000068EA22155934149F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>

My fellow listers.
Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I know, 
it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8)  ahem, 
where was I? Oh yes, the  "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just 
behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on the 
corresponding side of the same structure, same side. 
   I would say the car has struck  the back of another vehicle, forcing the 
structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting 
bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back into 
the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's 
prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack.

    My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner advice 
on the repair of such damage...
    One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the 
outside of the structure in the same way.
   I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in that 
part of the frame like structure as well.
    Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning on 
cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like 
structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the crack...

     The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in Ca. 
where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the 
car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people I 
bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an 
over-drive"  (which it did not)
   But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to 
disclose this information.

 Ideas on repair?
Thanks in advance.

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Mon May  5 16:28:25 2008
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:28:25 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues.
Message-ID: <050520082228.28473.481F8A090009393F00006F3922155934149F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>

My fellow listers.
Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I know, 
it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8)  ahem, 
where was I? Oh yes, the  "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just 
behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on the 
corresponding side of the same structure, same side. 
   I would say the car has struck  the back of another vehicle, forcing the 
structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting 
bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back into 
the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's 
prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack.

    My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner advice 
on the repair of such damage...
    One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the 
outside of the structure in the same way.
   I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in that 
part of the frame like structure as well.
    Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning on 
cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like 
structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the crack...

     The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in Ca. 
where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the 
car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people I 
bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an 
over-drive"  (which it did not)
   But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to 
disclose this information.

 Ideas on repair?
Thanks in advance.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 18:26:09 2008
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul
In-Reply-To: <481B4B82.3050901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <797017.53009.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com> wrote:

> The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was
> involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in
> Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he
> had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his.

Well Les Paul may have thought that a multitrack deck would be
a cool thing, but it was Ross Snyder and Mort Fuji at Ampex 
that actually invented it.  I suppose Les was the "mother of
invention" having the need.  But unlike other customized tape
decks he *did* engineer and make on his own, all he was in this
case was a customer.  Sel-Sync is more than just multiple
heads on a wider tape.  There was a lot of novel engineering
involved.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com


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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon May  5 20:05:53 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] No LBC, Les Paul
In-Reply-To: <797017.53009.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <797017.53009.qm@web42103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <481FBD01.90605@gmail.com>

David Breneman wrote:
> --- The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> The story I have been hearing almost all my life was that he was
>> involved in a serious auto accident and was in the hospital here in
>> Tulsa when he invented multitrack in his head. I always heard he
>> had the first one built by the guys at Ampex, but the idea was his.
>>     
>
> Well Les Paul may have thought that a multitrack deck would be
> a cool thing, but it was Ross Snyder and Mort Fuji at Ampex 
> that actually invented it.  I suppose Les was the "mother of
> invention" having the need.  But unlike other customized tape
> decks he *did* engineer and make on his own, all he was in this
> case was a customer.  Sel-Sync is more than just multiple
> heads on a wider tape.  There was a lot of novel engineering
> involved.
>   
I'm certainly no expert on this, although I did work for Midwestern 
Instruments while they were producing the 728, the first really popular 
two-track. I didn't work on the 728, but was working on a secret project 
that required a top-level security clearance.
> -The Roxter
> --

From macgroup at comcast.net  Mon May  5 21:54:34 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues.
In-Reply-To: <050520082228.28473.481F8A090009393F00006F3922155934149F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>
References: <050520082228.28473.481F8A090009393F00006F3922155934149F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F7F1598F5D9F444BA75C4FB76D49F47D@StusLaptopPC>

I'd like to see photos of what you are talking about, I can't tell for sure
from your description what is cracked.  Send me one if you can.

FWIW, my son's project '64 had a complete (3') front end clip welded on,
much to our surprise!  Whoever did it was very good, I assume it was
professionally done, because it's perfect.   

If the box beams are cracked, and I think that is what you are describing, a
good weld will be stronger than the metal. You can add gussets for more
strength if you want. Being better than new, disclosure of this shouldn't
cost you anything.  

It's a good thing that you caught this, it may be that it's only the cross
member bolts that are keeping the front end from falling off! ;-0

Looking forward to seeing your photos,

Stuart MacMillan
'65 Roadster, BRG



-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Mgs] Cracked frame blues.

My fellow listers.
Project 75.5 has apparently been damaged in an accident. the "frame" ( I
know, 
it's a "unitary body shell" according to my copy of Original mgb, pg. 8)
ahem, 
where was I? Oh yes, the  "frame like structure" shows a stress crack just 
behind the shock absorber on the drivers (USA version) side, and another on
the 
corresponding side of the same structure, same side. 
   I would say the car has struck  the back of another vehicle, forcing the 
structure to bend upwards, "hinging" at a point midway between the mounting 
bolts of the cross frame for the front suspension. When it was pushed back
into 
the correct alignment, the metal that had been bent and re formed into it's 
prior shape appears to have suffered a fatigue crack.

    My inquiry to you, my wise and illustrious compatriots, is to garner
advice 
on the repair of such damage...
    One side shows a weld repair on the crack. I am planning to weld up the 
outside of the structure in the same way.
   I think I'll drop the sub frame and check the integrity of the metal in
that 
part of the frame like structure as well.
    Then, Since I don't think a simple weld will be as strong, I am planning
on 
cutting some sheet of metal and welding them to the sides of the frame (like

structure), overlapping aproximately three inches on each side of the
crack...

     The blues part of this note, (pun intended) comes from the law here in
Ca. 
where I live, in that any frame damage must be disclosed to the buyer of the

car. Since I bought the car as a "parts car" that didn't apply to the people
I 
bought it from, though I did have them print on the receipt "car includes an

over-drive"  (which it did not)
   But I'm planning on selling the car as a running vehicle. So I'll have to

disclose this information.

 Ideas on repair?
Thanks in advance.
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  6 08:23:05 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Calibrating the MGA tach
References: <A40631DD-A1B4-4548-9853-25D325930CAF@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <019901c8af85$1b53d850$0200a8c0@Three>

Why don't you just hook an electronic tach (as opposed to a rev counter) to 
the ignition?

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> If I can establish this, I may be able to confirm, with a speed
> controlled motor, whether the tach is accurate. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  6 09:03:44 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:44 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Kumho tires
References: <c96.23026d79.3550a6a2@aol.com>
	<ABB4C331FCE647068E1B2D456BBA7858@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <02c301c8af8b$69e2b800$0200a8c0@Three>

I've had no problem undoing broken spokes, without any heat or releasing 
fluid - these are chrome, painted may be worse.  I've actually had one wheel 
replaced with stainless to see if that solves the breakage issue.  However 
that will be a long-term test as the chrome ones didn't start breaking until 
after four of five years and then just the occasional one.  Since then the 
breakage rate has gone up and I have found two or three on one wheel after a 
five-hundred mile or so run.  Although funnily enough I've just got back 
from one of those had one broken before I started and still only that one 
broken on my return.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> It's a myth. ;-)  Problem is the nipples rust in place, both onto the 
> spoke
> and the rim. 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  6 09:50:02 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>

these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what vehicle they go on?

http://www.ranteer.com/misc/

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May  6 09:58:36 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <031f01c8af92$31585e20$0200a8c0@Three>

They aren't off an MGB AFAIK.  Could be handbrake actuators, for disc brakes 
(unless the rubber band is in a slot for shoes)?

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what vehicle they go 
> on?

From hardt at sonic.net  Tue May  6 10:22:29 2008
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:22:29 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <482085C5.5000800@sonic.net>

They look like rear brake cylinders for an MGA.

Ron
58 MGA

Oliver wrote:

> these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what vehicle they go on?
> 
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/

From macgroup at comcast.net  Tue May  6 10:53:41 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:41 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <996796D35B514EBF80930EF5D3C6FAB9@StusLaptopPC>

Yes, MGA rear brake cylinders.  Pricey too:
http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=52463


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+macgroup=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:50 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?

these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what vehicle they go on?

http://www.ranteer.com/misc/
Mgs at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

http://www.team.net/archive

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue May  6 11:03:28 2008
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
References: <20080414.100355.3252.12.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<005301c8af90$f6a5edc0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c8af9b$1bf2d570$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Also MGTD and MGTF.

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Tue May  6 13:39:52 2008
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:39:52 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache.
Message-ID: <050620081939.20544.4820B4080006BA920000504022165548869F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>

You can overcome the constant stopping while pumping gas with the anti-vapor necks by (and this is only hypothetical! I would Never advise against over riding the mandated equipment)!! Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so that it's an inch or two away from "sealing" on the neck. this will allow you gush the fuel in much faster, BUT. (Hypothetically, of course) When the tank is full, it will NOT automatically shut off. So don't leave it unobserved while your chatting with the pretty girl filling up at pump # 4., and pay close attention when you know it's nearing it's capacity.


From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] gas cap
To: MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <C444D04C.1787A%max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Before you all go jumping on this idea, a PO installed on of those
anti-siphon springs in my other car during the first gas crisis (it has one
of those external flip-top gas caps, so, no way to lock it). The result of
this is that with modern vapor-recovery pumps, you can only dribble in gas
at the slowest possible setting, while holding the nozzle in place with main
force. Even at that, it will click itself off three or four times during a
fill-up, making every trip to the gas station a lengthy PITA.

In the MGB, you can add to this the undignified and uncomfortable posture of
bending over at the waist in order to reach the inlet. All in all, I really
couldn't recommend this approach to the problem.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Tue May  6 14:37:55 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:37:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Mgs] TD Gearbox for sale - San Francisco
Message-ID: <10787865.1210106275704.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Listers,

My old friend George Kelson in San Francisco called the other day to say that he has a good TD gearbox that he wants to sell for $450 ........ U pick up, please ............

Call him 415-661-3138

Best,

Rick
______________________________________________

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue May  6 15:00:10 2008
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
Message-ID: <20080506.170341.3548.6.MGBOB@juno.com>

These look like TD rear wheel cylinders.  MGAs may use same or similar.
Bob
 
 

On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500 "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what vehicle they 
> go on?
> 
> http://www.ranteer.com/misc/

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue May  6 15:13:46 2008
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:13:46 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <20080506.170341.3548.6.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DCE188A@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Check the bore size. If they are .875" then they are MGA, MG TD-TF, TR2
cylinders.

I don't recognise the casting identification marks. They are not the
same as the current Delphi-Lockheed, or Classic Gold versions that Moss
carries, so are some other brand.

Kelvin.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:00 PM
> To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] where do these belong?
>
> These look like TD rear wheel cylinders.  MGAs may use same
> or similar.
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 May 2008 10:50:02 -0500 "Oliver"
> <sumton at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> > these were in my spare parts bin.  does anyone know what
> vehicle they
> > go on?

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue May  6 15:54:03 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:54:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  where do these belong?
Message-ID: <007a01c8afc3$b392e050$65451645@normoffice>

Also, early Turner I believe.  They sure look familiar.
 
Norm Sippel
'59 Turner

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue May  6 16:08:53 2008
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:08:53 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <007a01c8afc3$b392e050$65451645@normoffice>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DCE18AD@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Norm:

The Turner does not qualify as a real motor car. It's just a collection
of bits and pieces off other real cars, held together with bits of tube
and fiberglass.


: )



Kelvin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Norm 2Bs
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:54 PM
> To: MG Digest
> Subject: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong?
>
> Also, early Turner I believe.  They sure look familiar.
>
> Norm Sippel
> '59 Turner

From twobees at sprynet.com  Tue May  6 16:12:47 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:12:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DCE18AD@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <008901c8afc6$5187aa50$65451645@normoffice>

Kelvin:

Ain't that the truth!  Kinda like a GoKart but antique.

Can you believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few times when I lived
in Connecticut?  And, on I-95 too.  Only when I was waiting for parts
delivery for my MGB from Moss.  Opps!  Big (: )

How goes your project?

Norm


-----Original Message-----
From: Dodd, Kelvin [mailto:doddk at mossmotors.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:09 PM
To: twobees at sprynet.com; MG Digest
Subject: RE: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong?


Norm:

The Turner does not qualify as a real motor car. It's just a collection of
bits and pieces off other real cars, held together with bits of tube and
fiberglass. 


: )



Kelvin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of Norm 2Bs
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:54 PM
> To: MG Digest
> Subject: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong?
> 
> Also, early Turner I believe.  They sure look familiar.
>  
> Norm Sippel
> '59 Turner

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue May  6 16:16:58 2008
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:16:58 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  where do these belong?
Message-ID: <ccf.2e7a3a00.355232da@aol.com>

Hard to label a Turner a 'bitsa' car without tarring others with the same  
brush - my TVR among them.  And my old Swallow Doretti, and maybe even my  
Jensens, all of which use major assemblies from other manufacturers.
 
After all, an MG is really nothing but a mutant Morris,  originally....:-)
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:13:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
twobees at sprynet.com writes:

Can you  believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few times when I lived
in  Connecticut?  And, on I-95 too.  Only when I was waiting for  parts
delivery for my MGB from Moss.  Opps!  Big (:  )

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue May  6 16:21:06 2008
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:21:06 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] FW:  where do these belong?
In-Reply-To: <008901c8afc6$5187aa50$65451645@normoffice>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DCE18B8@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Look, see. We have MG content.

Projects!

My 1970 supercharged MGB is still plugging along merrily. I have to keep
stuffing a bit of wood between the fender and body to stop it rattling,
cause the lower lip is rusted through, but what the heck.

I've got one of those nifty Retrosound radios that I'm going to install
soon, so I don't have to hear the rattles.

The other daily commuter is a TR8 with very soggy suspension. It will
still run rings around the B on the canyons though. It's got a good
stereo, so I don't have to worry about rattles, but then it isn't rusty.


The MGAs and the MGC GT projects are all in hibernation till I get
finished renovating a 1970 31' Airstream to use during construction of
the house. Finally moving forward on that, we have to get the two
current houses demolished by September, then we get to live in the
workshop for a while.

Lots of fun.

Kelvin.







> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norm 2Bs [mailto:twobees at sprynet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 3:13 PM
> To: Dodd, Kelvin; MG Digest
> Subject: RE: [Mgs] FW: where do these belong?
>
> Kelvin:
>
> Ain't that the truth!  Kinda like a GoKart but antique.
>
> Can you believe I commuted in that RHD, BRG Turner a few
> times when I lived in Connecticut?  And, on I-95 too.  Only
> when I was waiting for parts delivery for my MGB from Moss.
> Opps!  Big (: )
>
> How goes your project?
>
> Norm

From mvrose at charter.net  Tue May  6 18:39:12 2008
From: mvrose at charter.net (Valda and Merl Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:39:12 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Need Cylinder Head for 1980 MGB
Message-ID: <004601c8afda$c58d9220$aa43ba44@Primary>

I may need a good cylinder head for my 1980 MGB if mine is cracked.  Does
anyone have a good one for sale? Purchased one off e-bay that was advertised
as good but was not.  Little gun shy to buy another from e-bay.

Thanks


Merl Rosenthal
1980 MGB

From g.schnittke at comcast.net  Tue May  6 18:40:52 2008
From: g.schnittke at comcast.net (Glenn Schnittke)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:40:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>

Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about 
hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.

The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured 
with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the 
capability.

Glenn




It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.
And then we'll have an eye to play with.
					-Durwood

Glenn Schnittke
g.schnittke at comcast.net
glenn.schnittke at vanderbilt.edu

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Tue May  6 19:47:47 2008
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c8afe4$5a634a80$0f29df80$@com>

Land-Rovers had a hand crank for 4 and 6 cylinder engines up to at least mid
'80s. 

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Schnittke
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking

The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured 
with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the 
capability.

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  6 20:04:30 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
	<000f01c8afe4$5a634a80$0f29df80$@com>
Message-ID: <007701c8afe6$b094a690$6401a8c0@Larry>

As Stephen pointed out, the capability went well into the 80's, but I need 
to tell you that my 67 Austin A60 Ute starts with 1/2 of a revolution with 
the hand crank without fail.  I'll put that up against any of my other cars.

Larry Daniels

79 MGB LE
60 Bugeye
67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute)

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen West-fisher" <steve at coastaldatasystems.com>
To: "'Glenn Schnittke'" <g.schnittke at comcast.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hand cranking


Land-Rovers had a hand crank for 4 and 6 cylinder engines up to at least mid
'80s.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Schnittke
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking

The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured
with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the
capability.
_______________________________________________

From hardt at sonic.net  Tue May  6 20:18:16 2008
From: hardt at sonic.net (Ron Engelhardt)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48211168.6060400@sonic.net>

My fellow club members seem to get a kick out of asking me to start my
car with the crank, not too hard to do. I usually use it to adjust the
valves and timing. I don't know the last year cars had a crank but the
MGA's had one through 62.

Ron
58 MGA

Glenn Schnittke wrote:

> Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about 
> hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.
> 
> The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured 
> with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the 
> capability.
> 
> Glenn

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May  6 21:21:44 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:21:44 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c8aff1$7a64baa0$6801a8c0@shop>

<<The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the capability.>>

The last of the Big Healeys (BJ-8s - 1968) had the "capability" but NO practical way to do so, Glenn.

Ed
Please visit my site at:    www.justbrits.com

From macgroup at comcast.net  Tue May  6 20:54:25 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:54:25 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <98D52DBD2FB84E8B84E137135EFA64C8@StusLaptopPC>

Good grief, this list must be full of really old people, just like me!

You can only hand crank a low compression engine, unless there is a system
to lower compression, like there is on old fashioned two cycle outboard
engines. 

But I digress. I was surprised to see hand crank grooves in the harmonic
balancer bolt on my son's '64 MGB (3 main engine). Basically, just two slots
formed on opposite bolt flats designed to release the U-shaped crank when
the engine spun.  It's useless. I assume they probably just used up some
"old stock" bolts. 

But, I checked my '65, (which has a '68 engine in it) and you could actually
get a hand crank on the pulley if the front valence wasn't there, but it
would be tight.  

So, I'd say some engines had this capability long after it was useful!

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking

Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about 
hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.

The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured 
with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the 
capability.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  7 01:09:53 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:09:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache.
References: <050620081939.20544.4820B4080006BA920000504022165548869F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009e01c8b012$87d285c0$0200a8c0@Three>

Are you sure about that?  If so they are very different to the ones used in 
the UK.  We don't have the plastic seal to recover the vapours as fuel is 
pumped in, but we still have an auto shut-off (and they still shut-off when 
they shouldn't).  There is a very small pipe inside the main pipe and when 
that gets splashed with fuel it trips the shut-off mechanism inside the 
handle.

http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/page1.php?QNum=1187

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so that it's an 
> inch or two away from "sealing" on the neck. this will allow you gush the 
> fuel in much faster, BUT. (Hypothetically, of course) When the tank is 
> full, it will NOT automatically shut off. 

From cyberemp at comcast.net  Wed May  7 01:28:18 2008
From: cyberemp at comcast.net (cyberemp at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:28:18 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Gas anti siphon spring headache.
Message-ID: <050720080728.20397.48215A12000DE9EE00004FAD22155517249F030A9D0A0D970C@comcast.net>

Well, It works for my cars, here in San Francisco bay area.
YMMV
--/eric

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Are you sure about that?  If so they are very different to the ones used in 
> the UK.  We don't have the plastic seal to recover the vapours as fuel is 
> pumped in, but we still have an auto shut-off (and they still shut-off when 
> they shouldn't).  There is a very small pipe inside the main pipe and when 
> that gets splashed with fuel it trips the shut-off mechanism inside the 
> handle.
> 
> http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/page1.php?QNum=1187
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > ... Pulling back the flexible plastic neck "vapor guard" so t

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  7 01:23:53 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d701c8b014$a18cc190$0200a8c0@Three>

Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors were 
provided.  By definition it would only be used if the electric starter 
failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was 
provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case".

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The question before the board is "What was the last automobile 
> manufactured
> with the capability to hand crank the engine?" 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  7 01:33:04 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:33:04 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Tweel
Message-ID: <00d901c8b014$a1d90cd0$0200a8c0@Three>

A see-through, non-inflated 'tyre' - 
http://us.tnpv.net/2005/MCH200510/Tweel_Public_13.jpg

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Wed May  7 02:11:16 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Tweel
In-Reply-To: <00d901c8b014$a1d90cd0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <00d901c8b014$a1d90cd0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <9f2527520805070111n3cce4ef4m46e0a745cd8e1241@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

You got a better link than that one?  All I get is a very small picture of a
random car (could be an Audi A4? but it's too small to tell for sure)
driving round some cones on a wet track.

Richard

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

> A see-through, non-inflated 'tyre' -
> http://us.tnpv.net/2005/MCH200510/Tweel_Public_13.jpg
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  7 02:28:48 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Tweel
References: <00d901c8b014$a1d90cd0$0200a8c0@Three>
	<9f2527520805070111n3cce4ef4m46e0a745cd8e1241@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c8b01d$ccf77a10$0200a8c0@Three>

Ah yes, I intended to post the link to the video rather than the thumbnail - 
video here: http://us.tnpv.net/2005/MCH200510/Tweel_Public_13.mpg

Other videos here: http://www.michelinmedia.com/videos/kw=MCHtweel

----- Original Message ----- 
> You got a better link than that one?  All I get is a very small picture of 
> a
> random car (could be an Audi A4? but it's too small to tell for sure)
> driving round some cones on a wet track.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed May  7 06:16:25 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:46:25 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <00d701c8b014$a18cc190$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
	<00d701c8b014$a18cc190$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <42AC5DDA-FFE4-4075-B284-ECE6356A9275@erickson.on.net>

On 07/05/2008, at 4:53 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors  
> were
> provided.  By definition it would only be used if the electric starter
> failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was
> provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case".
>

Or... just for fun?


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From twobees at sprynet.com  Wed May  7 07:33:03 2008
From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:33:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Unidentified Top Bows
Message-ID: <001501c8b046$e10acd80$65451645@normoffice>

I have a set of top bows that I have no idea as to what car they fit.
Perhaps one of you can help.
 
They are 2-piece like the early MGB top, & have 3 bows, 2 of which end as
round rods (2" long x 0.330" dia.) that fit into sockets on the car body.  
Dimensions:
width = 38"
height when resting on floor = 16"
c-to-c spread front to back = 18"
spread between "feet" = 4"
 
There are straps attached joining the upper bows to fix their position when
in place.  There isn't much difference in height of the bows, front, center
or rear so it would be a pretty flat top when up.
 
I have photos available for further identification if anyone has at least a
clue.  
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 
Norm Sippel

From j_cahoon at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 07:45:38 2008
From: j_cahoon at yahoo.com (John Cahoon)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Another cleveland passing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1774.1209898834.20754.mailman@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <944356.28139.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

All

I just got word that long-time MG specialist David
McCaskie has died of a heart attack. He was the owner
of Dave Mack Auto in Euclid Ohio.  More info to follow
as it is available.

John Cahoon


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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May  7 08:41:32 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net><00d701c8b014$a18cc190$0200a8c0@Three>
	<42AC5DDA-FFE4-4075-B284-ECE6356A9275@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c8b052$3c0de6d0$0200a8c0@Three>

Hmmm, can't say I have ever got much fun from my nipples, maybe Aussies know 
something I don't ...

----- Original Message ----- 
>> Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long after starter motors
>> were
>> provided.  By definition it would only be used if the electric starter
>> failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars never go wrong, it was
>> provided for the same reason men have nipples - "Just in case".
>>
>
> Or... just for fun?

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 09:48:22 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <004e01c8b052$3c0de6d0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <730917.31499.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hand cranking can make you blind.  :-P

--- Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hmmm, can't say I have ever got much fun from my
> nipples, maybe Aussies know 
> something I don't ...
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> Rolls-Royce used to provide a hand-crank long
> after starter motors
> >> were
> >> provided.  By definition it would only be used if
> the electric starter
> >> failed for some reason, and as Rolls-Royce cars
> never go wrong, it was
> >> provided for the same reason men have nipples -
> "Just in case".
> >>
> >
> > Or... just for fun?
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From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed May  7 09:51:05 2008
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:51:05 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <000f01c8afe4$5a634a80$0f29df80$@com>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
	<000f01c8afe4$5a634a80$0f29df80$@com>
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While clearly beaten by Land Rover in this regard, I would like to
point out that Citroen  built cars in the '70s that had hand cranks.
The GS models had one.

Googling the GS, it appears that they were built until mid-80s, so it
is possible that Citroen was building cars with hand cranks until
then.

Regards,
Simon

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Wed May  7 10:08:27 2008
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:08:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <33E90EE8-7E9D-4913-96F6-6CB05CD823B3@tampabay.rr.com>

MGA? 1962
On May 6, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote:

> Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about
> hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.
>
> The question before the board is "What was the last automobile  
> manufactured
> with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity,  
> but the
> capability.
>
> Glenn

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed May  7 10:54:37 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4821DECD.3070406@gmail.com>

Glenn Schnittke wrote:
> Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about 
> hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.
>
> The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured 
> with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the 
> capability.
>
> Glenn
I'm going to guess. My Morris Minor could be hand-cranked. It was a late 50's model. MY 1958 MGA also had a crank.

-The Roxter
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Wed May  7 12:10:03 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:10:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <730917.31499.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <730917.31499.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4821F07B.9090209@gmail.com>

Rick Lindsay wrote:
> Hand cranking can make you blind.  :-P
"Son, that'll make you go blind!"

"Dad, I'm over here."

-The Roxter
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From palte at gmx.net  Wed May  7 13:37:03 2008
From: palte at gmx.net (Bert Palte)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 21:37:03 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080507193705.E7D891C00081@mwinf6104.orange.nl>

At 02:40 7-5-2008, you wrote:

>The question before the board is "What was the last automobile manufactured
>with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the
>capability.

My first car had this capability, a Renault 4 from 1963.
I was 18 at the time (in 1971).
Of course, I tried if it worked.
It did, but it was a PITA.
I found that it was easier to push the 600 kg car by hand, jump into it,
shift it into 2nd gear (out of three!!!) and release the clutch to 
get it started
when the battery was flat.

Bert

From bobmgtd at insightbb.com  Thu May  8 07:37:07 2008
From: bobmgtd at insightbb.com (Bob Donahue)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:37:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
Message-ID: <001601c8b110$9c7fe680$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to
take some trips this summer.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 08:45:44 2008
From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:45:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <001601c8b110$9c7fe680$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>

Greetings to All,

Spare parts:
Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
Spark plugs and wire set
Points for fuel pump
Fan belt
Fuel filter
Exterior bulbs
Tire repair kit
Fuses
Extra oil for engine & transmission
12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
Quality duct tape for hose repair
Gallon of coolant mix

Tools:
3/8 drive socket set
combination wrenches, 1/4 to 7/8
screwdrivers, flat, phillips, pozidriv
feeler gages
VOM
tools & supplies for electrical repairs
sheet of gasket material

Misc:
AAA card
$300 to $500 cash
credit card with high limit and no balance
a liter of Johnnie Walker Black
Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver with 50 rounds Federal 125 gr. JHP

Please add any important items that I have forgotten.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
To: mgs
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools


Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to
take some trips this summer.

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Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu May  8 08:49:42 2008
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:49:42 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
Message-ID: <c2d.33d60ee5.35546d06@aol.com>

And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a water  pump 
as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road.  Just putting one  in the 
boot means you'll never need it.
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ericemarkley at bellsouth.net writes:

Spare  parts:
Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
Spark plugs and wire  set
Points for fuel pump
Fan belt
Fuel filter
Exterior  bulbs
Tire repair kit
Fuses
Extra oil for engine &  transmission
12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
Quality duct tape for hose  repair
Gallon of coolant mix

From frankk at intap.net  Thu May  8 08:55:32 2008
From: frankk at intap.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:55:32 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <001601c8b110$9c7fe680$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <00c401c8b11b$90342930$0d42040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include a spare 
dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid, 
points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say there is 
hardly room left for luggage!
Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools


> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going 
> to
> take some trips this summer.
>
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>               Hoosier MGB Club
>               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 09:05:38 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <c2d.33d60ee5.35546d06@aol.com>
References: <c2d.33d60ee5.35546d06@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0C711961-77BD-4379-9B8A-50AB3F891EC7@gmail.com>

I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me  
last year.

Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on  
the roadside
repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels.

On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a  
> water  pump
> as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road.  Just putting  
> one  in the
> boot means you'll never need it.
>
> Bill
>
> In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> ericemarkley at bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Spare  parts:
> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
> Spark plugs and wire  set
> Points for fuel pump
> Fan belt
> Fuel filter
> Exterior  bulbs
> Tire repair kit
> Fuses
> Extra oil for engine &  transmission
> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
> Quality duct tape for hose  repair
> Gallon of coolant mix
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu May  8 08:59:13 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:59:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <001601c8b110$9c7fe680$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <018701c8b11d$5f0e4dc0$0200a8c0@Three>

Everything.  But you will still find you will need the thing you have 
forgotten.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going 
> to
> take some trips this summer.

From frankk at intap.net  Thu May  8 09:08:57 2008
From: frankk at intap.net (Frank)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <c2d.33d60ee5.35546d06@aol.com>
	<0C711961-77BD-4379-9B8A-50AB3F891EC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501c8b11d$70948a50$0d42040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

Forgot to include fuel pump in my last post.  I know there is more but it's 
all I can recall right now without going out and looking in my boot(trunk). 
By the way, I carry different items in my 1980 LE than I do in my 1964 3 
main.
Frank "Swamp Yankee"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


>I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me
> last year.
>
> Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on
> the roadside
> repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels.
>
> On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a
>> water  pump
>> as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road.  Just putting
>> one  in the
>> boot means you'll never need it.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> ericemarkley at bellsouth.net writes:
>>
>> Spare  parts:
>> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
>> Spark plugs and wire  set
>> Points for fuel pump
>> Fan belt
>> Fuel filter
>> Exterior  bulbs
>> Tire repair kit
>> Fuses
>> Extra oil for engine &  transmission
>> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
>> Quality duct tape for hose  repair
>> Gallon of coolant mix
>> _______________________________________________

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 09:07:07 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:07:07 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <0C711961-77BD-4379-9B8A-50AB3F891EC7@gmail.com>
References: <c2d.33d60ee5.35546d06@aol.com><0C711961-77BD-4379-9B8A-50AB3F891EC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.11636.1210260416.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>

Guys, this what SmartCars are meant for!  Just put one in the boot. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38 
To:WSpohn4 at aol.com
Cc:mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me  
last year.

Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on  
the roadside
repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels.

On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a  
> water  pump
> as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road.  Just putting  
> one  in the
> boot means you'll never need it.
>
> Bill
>
> In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> ericemarkley at bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Spare  parts:
> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
> Spark plugs and wire  set
> Points for fuel pump
> Fan belt
> Fuel filter
> Exterior  bulbs
> Tire repair kit
> Fuses
> Extra oil for engine &  transmission
> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
> Quality duct tape for hose  repair
> Gallon of coolant mix
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From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 09:40:12 2008
From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11636.1210260416.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFCEIFCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>

Or you could make one of those trailers made from 2 MGB rear clips to hold
all of the spare parts and tools that you are taking.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf
Of rolindsay at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:07 AM
To: Paul Root; mgs-bounces+rolindsay=yahoo.com at autox.team.net;
WSpohn4 at aol.com
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


Guys, this what SmartCars are meant for!  Just put one in the boot.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:05:38
To:WSpohn4 at aol.com
Cc:mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


I was going to add an alternator, since that's what went out on me
last year.

Also, a supply of disposable gloves to keep you a little cleaner on
the roadside
repair. Simple Green, goop. Shop towels.

On May 8, 2008, at 9:49 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

> And if you have an oddball like my 3 main MGB powered MGA, take a
> water  pump
> as you'll have a hard time finding one on the road.  Just putting
> one  in the
> boot means you'll never need it.
>
> Bill
>
> In a message dated 08/05/2008 7:45:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> ericemarkley at bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Spare  parts:
> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
> Spark plugs and wire  set
> Points for fuel pump
> Fan belt
> Fuel filter
> Exterior  bulbs
> Tire repair kit
> Fuses
> Extra oil for engine &  transmission
> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
> Quality duct tape for hose  repair
> Gallon of coolant mix
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From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Thu May  8 09:44:36 2008
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:44:36 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <001601c8b110$9c7fe680$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <007101c8b122$6b801660$6401a8c0@RicksPC>

Check the back of your NAMGBR service Recommendations and Mutual Aid 
Directory for a list.

Rick
Webmaster for:
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Registers
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Coast English Car Club

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 09:37
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools


> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going 
> to
> take some trips this summer.
>
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>               Hoosier MGB Club
>               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 10:07:58 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 09:07:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Tire repair kit?

I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I decided it
couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly filled, and a
can of Fix-A-Flat" instead.

Also add "a foot or two of fuel line", "assortment of hose clamps", and
"baling wire". Add chewing gum to taste...

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 5/8/08 7:45 AM, Eric Markley at ericemarkley at bellsouth.net wrote:

> Greetings to All,
> 
> Spare parts:
> Points, condenser, cap, & rotor
> Spark plugs and wire set
> Points for fuel pump
> Fan belt
> Fuel filter
> Exterior bulbs
> Tire repair kit
> Fuses
> Extra oil for engine & transmission
> 12 or 14 gage wire for repairs
> Quality duct tape for hose repair
> Gallon of coolant mix
> 
> Tools:
> 3/8 drive socket set
> combination wrenches, 1/4 to 7/8
> screwdrivers, flat, phillips, pozidriv
> feeler gages
> VOM
> tools & supplies for electrical repairs
> sheet of gasket material
> 
> Misc:
> AAA card
> $300 to $500 cash
> credit card with high limit and no balance
> a liter of Johnnie Walker Black
> Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver with 50 rounds Federal 125 gr. JHP
> 
> Please add any important items that I have forgotten.
> 
> Eric
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+ericemarkley=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf
> Of Bob Donahue
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
> To: mgs
> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
> 
> 
> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to
> take some trips this summer.
> 
> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>                71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>                NAMGBR # 7-3336
>                Hoosier MGB Club
>                Olde Octagons of Indiana

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 10:09:23 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 09:09:23 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <00c401c8b11b$90342930$0d42040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
Message-ID: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
recommended packing one for extended journeys...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:

> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include a spare
> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid,
> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say there is
> hardly room left for luggage!
> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
> 
> 
>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going
>> to
>> take some trips this summer.
>> 
>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>               Hoosier MGB Club
>>               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From d.mckinnie at usa.net  Thu May  8 10:36:41 2008
From: d.mckinnie at usa.net (Douglas McKinnie)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:36:41 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB tie down
Message-ID: <097meHqjp6186S10.1210264601@cmsweb10.cms.usa.net>

I've looked through the archives and don't find this:

I'll be transporting my MGB-GT in a box-van. I've got a source for swivel
floor-anchors that can take the angular pull with a 5/1 safety margin, but
I'm
wondering what I should use for tie-down points on the car itself. 4x4-ers
like chains over the axles, but of course we don't have a front axle, and my
car has the brake lines strapped tight to the front of the rear axle.

My inclination is to use two poly roundslings or wire-rope slings for the
rear
axle, crossing them so that they stay near the diff (away from the brake
lines) and also providing some restriction for side-to-side movement of the
car. These will be shackled to the anchor-points and the car moved forward to
take up the slack. Then I'm thinking snap-hook 2" ratchet straps to the
front-a-arms. Do I wrap an axle-strap around the whole a-arm?, just run a
chain through the a-arm somewhere?

Thanks
Douglas
'70 MGB-GT

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Thu May  8 11:18:30 2008
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:18:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB tie down
In-Reply-To: <097meHqjp6186S10.1210264601@cmsweb10.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DCE1B77@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Douglas:

This is my recommendation: FWIW

Using nylon axle straps is the best way to protect the car and the
ratchet straps.

On the front, pass the axle strap up through the gap between the a-arm
pan and the pivot bracket.

At the back, I pass the axle strap over the rear spring, in front of the
axle. This is well away from the brake lines which run across the back
of the axle at that point. My race car has rear tube shocks, so I don't
have to be too careful. With lever shocks, make sure that you pass the
strap between the axle and the link so you pull on the axle, not on the
shock link.

In my trailer, I don't cross the ratchet straps because the tie downs
are at the outer corners of the trailer. If the tie down points are
closer it's a good idea to cross strap as it locates the car better. Use
common sense, keeping the straps as short as feasible reduces the amount
of stretch.

Make sure you leave the car in neutral, so when the car moves the gears
are not damaged.


Don't let anyone help you strap the car down. Do it yourself and you
will be sure it's done correctly.



Kelvin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Douglas McKinnie
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] MGB tie down
>
> I've looked through the archives and don't find this:
>
> I'll be transporting my MGB-GT in a box-van. I've got a
> source for swivel floor-anchors that can take the angular
> pull with a 5/1 safety margin, but I'm wondering what I
> should use for tie-down points on the car itself. 4x4-ers
> like chains over the axles, but of course we don't have a
> front axle, and my car has the brake lines strapped tight to
> the front of the rear axle.
>
> My inclination is to use two poly roundslings or wire-rope
> slings for the rear axle, crossing them so that they stay
> near the diff (away from the brake
> lines) and also providing some restriction for side-to-side
> movement of the car. These will be shackled to the
> anchor-points and the car moved forward to take up the slack.
> Then I'm thinking snap-hook 2" ratchet straps to the
> front-a-arms. Do I wrap an axle-strap around the whole
> a-arm?, just run a chain through the a-arm somewhere?
>
> Thanks
> Douglas
> '70 MGB-GT

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 11:18:30 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00fe01c8b12f$89bf6420$6401a8c0@Larry>

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."

That oughta do it.

Larry Daniels

 
>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going
>> to
>> take some trips this summer.
>> 
>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>               Hoosier MGB Club
>>               Olde Octagons of Indiana
_______________________________________________

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Thu May  8 11:49:13 2008
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:49:13 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
	<C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <40b437200805081049o741a5a20m9decc01a7d603936@mail.gmail.com>

Max,

I can recommend the tyre inflation aerosols also. I had one occasion
(NOT an MGB), where I had a flat in my driveway. I could remove all 4
wheel bolts (they were bolts, not nuts), but the wheel was rusted to
the hub. Nothing would move it. My solution: re-inflate with the
aerosol, put the bolts back in, but 1/2 turn loose, then drive round
the block, cornering sharply. The cornering forces on the wheel were
enough to overcome the rust.

Regards,
Simon

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Tire repair kit?
>
> I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I decided it
> couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly filled, and a
> can of Fix-A-Flat" instead.

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 12:12:28 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:12:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <003101c8b137$37f638a0$8215a8c0@garage.local>

and spare tranny?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
> recommended packing one for extended journeys...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:
>
>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include a spare
>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid,
>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say there 
>> is
>> hardly room left for luggage!
>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
>> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
>>
>>
>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going
>>> to
>>> take some trips this summer.
>>>
>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>>               Hoosier MGB Club

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 12:23:03 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:23:03 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <40b437200805081049o741a5a20m9decc01a7d603936@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
	<C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<40b437200805081049o741a5a20m9decc01a7d603936@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B53B216-88C1-4D6A-85E7-D1DB0FD1F69F@gmail.com>

I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a  
block of wood.

On May 8, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Simon Matthews wrote:

> Max,
>
> I can recommend the tyre inflation aerosols also. I had one occasion
> (NOT an MGB), where I had a flat in my driveway. I could remove all 4
> wheel bolts (they were bolts, not nuts), but the wheel was rusted to
> the hub. Nothing would move it. My solution: re-inflate with the
> aerosol, put the bolts back in, but 1/2 turn loose, then drive round
> the block, cornering sharply. The cornering forces on the wheel were
> enough to overcome the rust.
>
> Regards,
> Simon
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>  
> wrote:
>> Tire repair kit?
>>
>> I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I  
>> decided it
>> couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly  
>> filled, and a
>> can of Fix-A-Flat" instead.
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 12:24:38 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
Message-ID: <774950.65779.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, in that case, I guess just tow a spare B along behind! ;-)

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html



----- Original Message ----
From: Oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>; MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools

and spare tranny?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
> recommended packing one for extended journeys...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:
>
>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include a spare
>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid,
>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say there 
>> is
>> hardly room left for luggage!
>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
>> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
>>
>>
>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going
>>> to
>>> take some trips this summer.
>>>
>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>>               Hoosier MGB Club
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 12:29:15 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <003101c8b137$37f638a0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
References: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<003101c8b137$37f638a0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <84E43ECF-7664-44C8-A2F7-EBFA348E5D11@gmail.com>

Ok, we're getting close, so I'll just say it.

Back in college, my brother drove a 67 Datsun 1600 Roadster. Not much  
rust,
just along the edges. :-) He autocrossed it extensively.

Senior year, he signed on to be an Officer in the Navy, and so had  
disposable
income. The racing bug bit. He bought 69 2000 Roadster stripped down  
with a
rollcage added.

Over spring break, we towed the 2000 with the 1600, from Manhattan, Ks  
to
Kansas City. Something around 120 miles. 24 through Topeka and  
Lawrence. K10
into Overland Park, and surface roads into Prairie Village. What a trip.
Of course, we hit rush hour (what passes for it) in Lawrence.

So, for an extended trip, bring one of everything. :-)

Paul.

On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Oliver wrote:

> and spare tranny?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools
>
>
>> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
>> recommended packing one for extended journeys...
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>>
>>
>> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include  
>>> a spare
>>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch  
>>> fluid,
>>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say  
>>> there
>>> is
>>> hardly room left for luggage!
>>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
>>> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
>>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB.  
>>>> I'm going
>>>> to
>>>> take some trips this summer.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>>>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>>>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>>>              71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>>>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>>>              NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>>>              Hoosier MGB Club
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From frankk at intap.net  Thu May  8 12:32:47 2008
From: frankk at intap.net (frank)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:32:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
References: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net><003101c8b137$37f638a0$8215a8c0@garage.local>
	<84E43ECF-7664-44C8-A2F7-EBFA348E5D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007601c8b139$fab55860$6e810fce@D3N5Y331>

Just to indicate how things have changed in my old age. I once had a new 
1974 B, bought it in Reno and immediately drove it across the country to 
East Lansing, almost 3000 miles, and didn't have a single tool or spare with 
me. Never had one problem. Today, I don't drive to the gas station without a 
trunk/boot full of spares and my cel phone!
Frank K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools


> Ok, we're getting close, so I'll just say it.
>
> Back in college, my brother drove a 67 Datsun 1600 Roadster. Not much
> rust,
> just along the edges. :-) He autocrossed it extensively.
>
> Senior year, he signed on to be an Officer in the Navy, and so had
> disposable
> income. The racing bug bit. He bought 69 2000 Roadster stripped down
> with a
> rollcage added.
>
> Over spring break, we towed the 2000 with the 1600, from Manhattan, Ks
> to
> Kansas City. Something around 120 miles. 24 through Topeka and
> Lawrence. K10
> into Overland Park, and surface roads into Prairie Village. What a trip.
> Of course, we hit rush hour (what passes for it) in Lawrence.
>
> So, for an extended trip, bring one of everything. :-)
>
> Paul.
>
> On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Oliver wrote:
>
>> and spare tranny?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Take along tools
>>
>>
>>> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
>>> recommended packing one for extended journeys...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>>>
>>>
>>> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include
>>>> a spare
>>>> dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch
>>>> fluid,
>>>> points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say
>>>> there
>>>> is
>>>> hardly room left for luggage!
>>>> Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
>>>> To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB.
>>>>> I'm going
>>>>> to
>>>>> take some trips this summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
>>>>> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>>>>> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
>>>>>              71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
>>>>> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
>>>>>              NAMGBR # 7-3336
>>>>>              Hoosier MGB Club
>> _______________________________________________

From mark.jones at exxonmobil.com  Thu May  8 12:39:11 2008
From: mark.jones at exxonmobil.com (mark.jones at exxonmobil.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11640.1210261416.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFA997E453.EEAE45D1-ON85257443.0064C7E1-85257443.00667971@exxonmobil.com>

When take the GT on a road trip I take along:
- CAA
- cell phone
- NAMGBR mutual aid directory
- a selection of combination wrenches
- sockets w/extension, including a sparkplug socket
- posidriv and flat blade screwdrivers
- pliers/wire cutter
- pocket knife
- electrical tape
- length of wire
- zip ties (handful)
- baling wire (couple feet)
- points & condenser
- points file
- rotor & cap
- water hoses
- spare fuel pump
- Haynes manual
- coveralls
- handwipes

Last year on my way back from New Brunswick, the engine quit just east of
Quebec City.  It took about 10 minutes to find that one of the wires going
to coil had broke off at the spade connector.  I fixed it by cutting off
one of the leads to my driving lights, which used spade connectors, bared
the two pieces of wire, twisted them together and wrapped them with
electrical tape, and on I went.  That, stuck points in the fuel pump, and a
sinking float, has been the extent of my road trip breakdowns over the
years.

When I had the sinking float I was in the middle of nowhere Vermont and the
NAMGBR mutual aid directory, CAA, and the cell phone came in VERY handy.
The NAMGBR mutual aid directory is worth the price of admission.

Mark
73 MGBGT
80 Spitfire 1500

From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools

Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going to
take some trips this summer.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu May  8 12:39:47 2008
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:39:47 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <00c401c8b11b$90342930$0d42040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
	<C44873C3.179A3%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10805081139i4d95ea30uf51fd49a3df15e7c@mail.gmail.com>

Naw just a head set.  Takes up a lot less room.
Murphy's law as it applies to British cars, tools and long trips is:
If you have the tools and the parts to repair it on the road, it will not
fail.  The only failures you will experience is with systems that you do not
have the parts and tools onboard.  So pick what you don't want to fail and
carry those parts.

seriously though.  a spare fuel pump?  slamming the doors or driving on the
Bott's dots will shock an SU pump back to life.  (BTDT)
Tire spoons?  Anybody that would try to dismount a tire using what is given
in a British car tool kit is nuts.
Rick

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Don't forget the cylinder head! I believe the early owner's manual
> recommended packing one for extended journeys...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 5/8/08 7:55 AM, Frank at frankk at intap.net wrote:
>
> > In addition to the usual, I guess I am paranoid and  also include a spare
> > dizzy, starter, carb rebuild kit, slave cylinder kit, brake/clutch fluid,
> > points, condenser, plugs, plug wires, WD40,  etc. Needless to say there
> is
> > hardly room left for luggage!
> > Frank "Swamp Yankee" Krajewski
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Donahue" <bobmgtd at insightbb.com>
> > To: "mgs" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:37 AM
> > Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
> >
> >
> >> Anyone have a good list of take along tools/parts for the MGB. I'm going
> >> to
> >> take some trips this summer.
> >>
> >> Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
> >> Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
> >> Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
> >>               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
> >> Member:  NEMGTR #11470
> >>               NAMGBR # 7-3336
> >>               Hoosier MGB Club
> >>               Olde Octagons of Indiana
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 12:47:49 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:47:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
Message-ID: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com>

I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this  
morning. 45F. I had
my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up,  
my MG XPower
baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high.

Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell  
phone. Don't know why.



Top down at 40!
Paul.


    _______	Paul T. Root
   /     __\  1977 MGB
  /   /||  \\
| |\/ ||  _ |
| |   ||   ||
  \    ||__//
   \_______/

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 12:59:40 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Heated seat cushion? How decadent... <g>


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:

> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
> morning. 45F. I had
> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up,
> my MG XPower
> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high.
> 
> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell
> phone. Don't know why.
> 
> 
> 
> Top down at 40!
> Paul.
> 
> 
>     _______ Paul T. Root
>    /     __\  1977 MGB
>   /   /||  \\
> | |\/ ||  _ |
> | |   ||   ||
>   \    ||__//
>    \_______/

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 13:22:38 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:22:38 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com><C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.11673.1210274537.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>

At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40 
To:MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive


Heated seat cushion? How decadent... <g>


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:

> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
> morning. 45F. I had
> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up,
> my MG XPower
> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high.
> 
> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell
> phone. Don't know why.
> 
> 
> 
> Top down at 40!
> Paul.
> 
> 
>     _______ Paul T. Root
>    /     __\  1977 MGB
>   /   /||  \\
> | |\/ ||  _ |
> | |   ||   ||
>   \    ||__//
>    \_______/
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From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 13:29:38 2008
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:29:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
References: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com><C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<mailman.11673.1210274537.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <015701c8b141$dbea38d0$6401a8c0@Larry>

If the current is high enough, you will know.

Larry Daniels


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rolindsay at yahoo.com>
To: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>; 
<mgs-bounces+rolindsay=yahoo.com at autox.team.net>; "MG List" 
<mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive


At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>

Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40
To:MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive


Heated seat cushion? How decadent... <g>


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Thu May  8 13:46:17 2008
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <4B53B216-88C1-4D6A-85E7-D1DB0FD1F69F@gmail.com>
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
	<C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<40b437200805081049o741a5a20m9decc01a7d603936@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B53B216-88C1-4D6A-85E7-D1DB0FD1F69F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200805081246j28d810f2paa32512324b4f4bc@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

I had previously tried large persuaders.

Actually, the problem happened to me twice (same type of car,
different cars: Alfasud). The first time it happened, I did not have a
flat, rather a flat spot on the tyre, so I drove to work, where 15
minutes with some releasing fluid did the trick.

I have never found releasing fluid that worked as well as they had at
that lab (Lucas Research Centre). It was pure magic in a can!

The reason for the problem on that car was that the wheel was an
interference fit on the boss on the hub. This rusted, unless one
greased the hub/wheel contact point.

Regards,
Simon

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a block of
> wood.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 13:59:47 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <D8C9320B-555C-4929-862D-3E0EACD1C420@gmail.com>

It's pretty nice. $20 at Fleet Farm. I bought it last fall for my  
Subaru.
Since the B takes the garage, the Subaru sits out in the cold. This  
thing
takes the edge off. That and the block heater made early morning a bit  
more
tolerable this past winter.

On May 8, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> Heated seat cushion? How decadent... <g>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
>> morning. 45F. I had
>> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up,
>> my MG XPower
>> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high.
>>
>> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell
>> phone. Don't know why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Top down at 40!
>> Paul.
>>
>>
>>    _______ Paul T. Root
>>   /     __\  1977 MGB
>>  /   /||  \\
>> | |\/ ||  _ |
>> | |   ||   ||
>>  \    ||__//
>>   \_______/
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 14:00:23 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:00:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11673.1210274537.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com><C4489BAC.179D5%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<mailman.11673.1210274537.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <ADE18BCA-07F5-4970-90A1-694DE3E0F221@gmail.com>

You do think that when you get out of the car. :-)

On May 8, 2008, at 2:22 PM, rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote:

> At my age that device would make it hard to tell if I'd wet my pants!
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
>
> Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:59:40
> To:MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] this mornings drive
>
>
> Heated seat cushion? How decadent... <g>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 5/8/08 11:47 AM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
>> morning. 45F. I had
>> my newly refurbed heater blowing on my feet, my MG fleece zipped up,
>> my MG XPower
>> baseball hat on, and my heated seat cushion on high.
>>
>> Had a girl in a Kia keep looking over at me and talking on her cell
>> phone. Don't know why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Top down at 40!
>> Paul.
>>
>>
>>    _______ Paul T. Root
>>   /     __\  1977 MGB
>>  /   /||  \\
>> | |\/ ||  _ |
>> | |   ||   ||
>>  \    ||__//
>>   \_______/
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From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu May  8 15:56:57 2008
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:56:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com>
References: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10805081456h4e6859e5pa605c5eb512ff61f@mail.gmail.com>

This past weekend I was in Northern Nevada for some business.  My host
loaned me his Factory Five Roadster
http://www.factoryfive.com/rdsterhome.html to drive.
At 7Am it was in the high 30's/low 40's.  No top, no heater, no bun
warmers.  No mufflers, six speeds forward, and over 400 HP at the rear
wheels.  It was like driving a midget with 10X as much power.
I was grinning like a loon as I drove to work.
It sure made that first cup of coffee at work taste good.
Rick

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
> morning. 45F.
>
> Top down at 40!
> Paul.
>
>
>    _______     Paul T. Root
>   /     __\  1977 MGB
>  /   /||  \\
> | |\/ ||  _ |
> | |   ||   ||
>  \    ||__//
>   \_______/
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu May  8 16:39:41 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] this mornings drive
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10805081456h4e6859e5pa605c5eb512ff61f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E0E752C5-E354-44E9-B05C-DAA08C895ECA@gmail.com>
	<a3b984e10805081456h4e6859e5pa605c5eb512ff61f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FC29403-2601-41A2-A9A0-278878929F69@gmail.com>

sounds about perfect. :-)

On May 8, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Richard Ewald wrote:

> This past weekend I was in Northern Nevada for some business.  My  
> host loaned me his Factory Five Roadster http://www.factoryfive.com/rdsterhome.html 
>  to drive.
> At 7Am it was in the high 30's/low 40's.  No top, no heater, no bun  
> warmers.  No mufflers, six speeds forward, and over 400 HP at the  
> rear wheels.  It was like driving a midget with 10X as much power.
> I was grinning like a loon as I drove to work.
> It sure made that first cup of coffee at work taste good.
> Rick
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd left the top down over night, and was too lazy to put it up this
> morning. 45F.
>
> Top down at 40!
> Paul.

From montejane at gmail.com  Thu May  8 17:02:43 2008
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:02:43 +0800
Subject: [Mgs] Take along tools
In-Reply-To: <40b437200805081246j28d810f2paa32512324b4f4bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DFEKKHDEPKCIEOFDJAEFGEIDCBAA.ericemarkley@bellsouth.net>
	<C448736E.179A2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<40b437200805081049o741a5a20m9decc01a7d603936@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B53B216-88C1-4D6A-85E7-D1DB0FD1F69F@gmail.com>
	<40b437200805081246j28d810f2paa32512324b4f4bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cab4b95c0805081602j3df5b3b1y621c555ccb80e354@mail.gmail.com>

I'm the proud owner of a set of tire removal tools. I once tried to remove a
junk tire off a wheel I was having powder coated. After pounding
and sweating for at least hour, I decided to punch a hole in the tire with a
sawzall and remove it that way. I got through most of the steel belts except
the ones on the bead right next to the rim. After about another hour of
cussing, I finally then took it to the station to have them remove it the
rest of the way. They sweated and cussed me for another eternity as they
tried to remove the shredded mess and they charged me probably more than I
could have bought a new tire for:).
Moral of story; if you own a set of hand tyre removal tools use them
for weights on fishing line, ear rings for African tribes, tongue
depressors, inserting suppositories into people that sell them, or  ANYTHING
ELSE besides tire removal!


On 5/9/08, Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> I had previously tried large persuaders.
>
> Actually, the problem happened to me twice (same type of car,
> different cars: Alfasud). The first time it happened, I did not have a
> flat, rather a flat spot on the tyre, so I drove to work, where 15
> minutes with some releasing fluid did the trick.
>
> I have never found releasing fluid that worked as well as they had at
> that lab (Lucas Research Centre). It was pure magic in a can!
>
> The reason for the problem on that car was that the wheel was an
> interference fit on the boss on the hub. This rusted, unless one
> greased the hub/wheel contact point.
>
> Regards,
> Simon
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I had that, used an 8lb persuader, alternating side to side. With a block
> of
> > wood.
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From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 21:38:29 2008
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:38:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1210269602.27229.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1210269602.27229.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4169299E-9BE0-4CCF-A0BE-F2685A2B91DB@sbcglobal.net>

hmmm,  a proper tire repair kit is simply a can of hair spray.  A few  
squirts into the stem with the valve out, slide a match in and run  
like hell.   Once the rim comes back down refitting a new tire is a  
cinch.


On May 8, 2008, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> Tire repair kit?
>
> I'ver tried to dismount an MGB's tire using hand tools, and I  
> decided it
> couldn't be done. I would suggest "Known good spare, freshly  
> filled, and a
> can of Fix-A-Flat" instead.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri May  9 06:33:53 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:03:53 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <4169299E-9BE0-4CCF-A0BE-F2685A2B91DB@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.9.1210269602.27229.mgs@autox.team.net>
	<4169299E-9BE0-4CCF-A0BE-F2685A2B91DB@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <13D066B2-FA22-4513-9B8E-66AE713EDA35@erickson.on.net>

I am a happy boy.

It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after  
a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP  
MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY!

For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the  
city the other week.  Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the  
other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill!

This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my  
car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship.  There was  
plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do.

I have put a couple of images up for the world to see.  Pardon the  
grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel  
work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots  
were taken with my phone camera).  She really is that deep blue  
colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy  
phone pictures.

Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy  
man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow!

Here are the pix:

Before:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg

After:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 06:51:06 2008
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 05:51:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <13D066B2-FA22-4513-9B8E-66AE713EDA35@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That is a beautiful color for the car.
  Carl
   
  FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago and it turned out to be one of the good things to happen to the car (profitable settlement). I am trying to find another 16 year old on her cell phone to help me get a new paint job as well :-)

Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:
  I am a happy boy.

It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after 
a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP 
MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY!

For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the 
city the other week. Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the 
other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill!

This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my 
car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship. There was 
plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do.

I have put a couple of images up for the world to see. Pardon the 
grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel 
work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots 
were taken with my phone camera). She really is that deep blue 
colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy 
phone pictures.

Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy 
man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow!

Here are the pix:

Before:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg

After:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia
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From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 07:17:16 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <960359.62243.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The world just doesn't look out for low-slung cars! 
ESPECIALLY here in TruckVille, Texas! I once had an
18-wheel semi merge right on top of me while driving
the 308GTB.  The near-collision was so close that the
edge of his trailer OVERHUNG the Ferrari's top!  I had
to dive for the almost non-existent shoulder and
thankfully, escaped with no personal or automotive
harm.  BTW, my 308GTB is 44" ( 112cm) tall and, at
that time, was tarmac gray.  The car was essentially
invisible to him.

Glad you both are unharmed.  And our old cars were not
made to crush.

rick

--- Carl French <leylandauto at yahoo.com> wrote:

> That is a beautiful color for the car.
>   Carl
>    
>   FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago
> and it turned out to be one of the good things to
> happen to the car (profitable settlement). I am
> trying to find another 16 year old on her cell phone
> to help me get a new paint job as well :-)
> 
> Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:
>   I am a happy boy.
> 
> It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in
> the hills (after 
> a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts )
> AND I PICKED UP 
> MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY!
> 
> For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was
> rear-ended near the 
> city the other week. Luckily it was not on the
> racetrack so the 
> other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the
> $AU4,500.00 bill!
> 
> This is the second time I have had this little panel
> shop work on my 
> car and once again I am thrilled with their
> workmanship. There was 
> plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do.
> 
> I have put a couple of images up for the world to
> see. Pardon the 
> grainy images and the colour differential between
> pre and post panel 
> work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so
> the "after" shots 
> were taken with my phone camera). She really is that
> deep blue 
> colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even
> with the grainy 
> phone pictures.
> 
> Lots of prep still to do before the next big event -
> but I am a happy 
> man right now and I will be off for a decent drive
> tomorrow!
> 
> Here are the pix:
> 
> Before:
>
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg
> 
> After:
>
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg
>
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg
> 
> 
> Eric
> '68 MGB MkII
> Adelaide, South Australia
> You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com
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From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Fri May  9 07:23:02 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:23:02 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <960359.62243.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<960359.62243.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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"...BTW, my 308GTB is 44" (112cm) tall and, at that time, was tarmac gray.
The car was essentially invisible to him..."

Maybe that's why most Ferraris are painted red!

Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri May  9 07:26:27 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:56:27 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE955EC7-7723-440C-92AE-B11C2C9BC007@erickson.on.net>

On 09/05/2008, at 10:21 PM, Carl French wrote:

> That is a beautiful color for the car.
> Carl
>
> FWIW, My GT got hit going to work two winters ago and it turned out  
> to be one of the good things to happen to the car (profitable  
> settlement). I am trying to find another 16 year old on her cell  
> phone to help me get a new paint job as well :-)
>

Now that all is said and done and I have my car back looking so nice  
I can admit a couple of things.

1. I was looking forward to a new tail light lens on the left hand  
side to match the right one that was replaced in the last crunch.

2. I got myself a shiny new bumper  :-)  It looks and feels like a  
quality item - it was sourced by my MG mechanic.  Lovely.

3. I got rid of a really, really annoying little "dimple" in the  
middle of my bootlid that came from slamming it down on something  
packed a little high (no-one could notice that little bump until I  
pointed it out to them but it would attract my attention every  
time... so annoying).  That was the first thing I really noticed when  
I first walked into the shop... no bloody little bump in the  
bootlid... yay!

I guess it is only right that you get some little bonus for putting  
up with the inconvenience and pain of someone else's stupidity!


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 07:50:40 2008
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <13D066B2-FA22-4513-9B8E-66AE713EDA35@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <813326.13150.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:

> I have put a couple of images up for the world to see.  Pardon the 
> grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post
> panel  
> work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after"
> shots were taken with my phone camera).


Thy really did a great job.  But, what's with the license plate?


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From jmc987 at verizon.net  Fri May  9 07:57:55 2008
From: jmc987 at verizon.net (Joseph Cianciotti)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 08:57:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot
Message-ID: <4905545.2862341210341475250.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net>

Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1_bl5oUmMo

Joseph
67 MGB Roadster

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri May  9 08:04:35 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:34:35 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <813326.13150.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <813326.13150.qm@web42102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <191D9D3F-4C5C-4326-9BD6-C38354E28F85@erickson.on.net>

On 09/05/2008, at 11:20 PM, David Breneman wrote:

> --- Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:
>
>> I have put a couple of images up for the world to see.  Pardon the
>> grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post
>> panel
>> work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after"
>> shots were taken with my phone camera).
>
>
> Thy really did a great job.  But, what's with the license plate?
>
>

It is just one of those paranoid habits where you hide your license  
plate so people can't track you down and steal your car.

I don't know why I bother because I don't always do it.


Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May  9 08:13:47 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:13:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot
References: <4905545.2862341210341475250.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c8b1df$be757050$0200a8c0@Three>

Bastards

----- Original Message ----- 
> Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC.

From eric at erickson.on.net  Fri May  9 09:02:31 2008
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:32:31 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star
Message-ID: <F8C260D3-19B9-41D5-9F90-E72F448E67BA@erickson.on.net>

Seeing as I am up this late posting...

First a little history:

Someone may remember a year of so ago when I posted about a strange  
incident where a Bollywood movie was being shot in my city (Adelaide)  
and they accidentally wrecked a silver MGB (that is, they wrecked a  
lovingly restored MGB accidentally as well as an old MGB "stunt car"  
they roughly painted silver that was meant to be damaged in the name  
of art).

I don't think the scandal over that has been sorted out yet and the  
"body" of the wrecked stunt MGB is still in my mate's yard.

Well, that movie is just about to make it to the big screen and it  
looks like they have thrown a fair bit of money into the space-aged  
production and effects using the same people that did the effects for  
movies like Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, Van Helsing etc  
etc etc.  Sort of unusual for a Bollywood movie.

So, soon you will be able to go to a movie and see that wonderful MGB  
in its co-starring role and know some of the back story behind it.

And (ta dah) here it is ( I am sure you get to see a lot more of it  
in the actual movie).

Check out the three seconds of this trailer between 1:23 and 1:26  
(pause it if you wish).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBj1q-g6cts




Eric
'68 MGB MkII
Adelaide, South Australia

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 09:36:27 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
Message-ID: <879798.31016.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Looks great, Eric! Have a drive and a pint to celebrate!

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html



----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
To: MG list <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 8:33:53 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure

I am a happy boy.

It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after  
a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP  
MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY!

For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the  
city the other week.  Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the  
other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill!

This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my  
car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship.  There was  
plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do.

I have put a couple of images up for the world to see.  Pardon the  
grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel  
work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots  
were taken with my phone camera).  She really is that deep blue  
colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy  
phone pictures.

Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy  
man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow!

Here are the pix:

Before:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg

After:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May  9 09:33:22 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:33:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star
References: <F8C260D3-19B9-41D5-9F90-E72F448E67BA@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <008401c8b1eb$c44471f0$0200a8c0@Three>

That is similar to a stunt in the latest Bond film (which has recently 
trashed an Aston as it was being delivered to the set by a company driver 
who drove it into Lake Garda).  In the stunt a baddies car is overtaking 
overtaking a lorry with another baddies car behind the lorry, and the first 
car crashes head-on into a lorry coming the other way.  For filming the 
first car is attached to the side of the first lorry so it looks like it is 
overtaking, attached with explosive bolts which are fired just as the 2nd 
lorry approaches it.  The 2nd car is being driven by stunt actors.  The 1st 
car is intended to be wrecked of course, but what actually happened is that 
it spun round after the impact and smashed into the 2nd car, wrecked that 
and forced it onto the edge of a cliff a la the coach in the original 
Italian Job.  Both occupants were injured, one seriously, and several people 
had to sit on the bonnet to stop the car going over the cliff while they cut 
them out.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Check out the three seconds of this trailer between 1:23 and 1:26
> (pause it if you wish).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBj1q-g6cts

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 09:56:59 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGB Bollywood Star
In-Reply-To: <008401c8b1eb$c44471f0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <632631.50906.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> That is similar to a stunt in the latest Bond film
> (which has recently 
> trashed an Aston as it was being delivered to the
> set by a company driver 
> who drove it into Lake Garda).  In the stunt a
> baddies car is overtaking 
> overtaking a lorry with another baddies car behind
> the lorry, and the first 
> car crashes head-on into a lorry coming the other
> way.

I've driven those roads and they are "almost" one lane
wide!  They make Scotland's single carriage lanes look
like motorways!

rick

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  9 10:38:14 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:38:14 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Racing flicks
Message-ID: <C449CC06.17A2C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

A friend called me up last night to tell me that the Turner Classic Movie
channel was showing racing films. I missed Grand Prix (it would probably
have lost its impact on my small screen), but caught most of The Green
Helmet, which I had never heard of, but which featured sports car racing
from the late 50s or early 60s (I'm guessing). I switched it on just as the
hero (William Travers) was crashing at Le Mans, then watched him testing at
Silverstone (in what I am guessing was a Lister-Jag). His car mysteriously
morphed into a birdcage Maserati for Sebring, where he partnered with Jack
Brabham (!), winning after his rival in a Corvette crashed and burned. The
big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been
cancelled by then), with hair-raising in-car footage of what seemed to be
the actual course. It struck me as similar to driving the California Melee,
except balls-out (as opposed to a spirited cruise), and in truly fast
machinery, with crazed fans lining the route 10 deep -- in other words,
terrifying.

After that came To Please a Lady (terrible title), with Clark Gable as a
hard-charging, never-back-off Dale Earnhardt-type USAC racer. Great footage
of dirt track midget racing and classic Indy front-engine roadsters. The
finale at the Indy 500 had him going mano-a-mano with Mauri Rose in a
front-drive special (was that the Novi?). The romantic subplot with the
equally hard-nosed Barbara Stanwyck was unconvincing, but Gable looked right
at home in the cockpit and the paddock.

Great stuff...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 11:38:38 2008
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <191D9D3F-4C5C-4326-9BD6-C38354E28F85@erickson.on.net>
Message-ID: <666782.84581.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net> wrote:

> It is just one of those paranoid habits where you hide your license
> plate so people can't track you down and steal your car.
> 
> I don't know why I bother because I don't always do it.

Ah, interesting.  Is that really a problem?  Anyway, they
really did a good job on it.


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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  9 12:49:25 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
References: <879798.31016.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c8b206$66e80a10$8215a8c0@garage.local>

i'm convinced!  i'm using them, even if i have to ship the car! <grin>

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Eric Erickson <eric at erickson.on.net>
> To: MG list <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 9, 2008 8:33:53 AM
> Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
> 
> I am a happy boy.
> 
> It looks like a great weekend for a topless drive in the hills (after  
> a week of much-needed rain in these parched parts ) AND I PICKED UP  
> MY CAR FROM THE PANEL SHOP TODAY!
> 
> For those who missed the earlier sob story, I was rear-ended near the  
> city the other week.  Luckily it was not on the racetrack so the  
> other guy's (girl's) insurance company paid the $AU4,500.00 bill!
> 
> This is the second time I have had this little panel shop work on my  
> car and once again I am thrilled with their workmanship.  There was  
> plenty of beating, cutting and painting to do.
> 
> I have put a couple of images up for the world to see.  Pardon the  
> grainy images and the colour differential between pre and post panel  
> work shots (it was getting dark when I got home so the "after" shots  
> were taken with my phone camera).  She really is that deep blue  
> colour but the quality of the workmanship shows even with the grainy  
> phone pictures.
> 
> Lots of prep still to do before the next big event - but I am a happy  
> man right now and I will be off for a decent drive tomorrow!
> 
> Here are the pix:
> 
> Before:
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/2478326022_16161d8a3d.jpg
> 
> After:
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2478326030_fd37af1734.jpg
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2478326042_f87f704def.jpg
> _______________________________________________

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Fri May  9 13:48:10 2008
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Racing flicks
In-Reply-To: <C449CC06.17A2C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C449CC06.17A2C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <74B8BB29-BA21-42AA-9E40-D7B1DE0E819A@tampabay.rr.com>

Agree, great stuff on TCM last night. I hadn't seen the Green Helmet  
either.
Dave Houser

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Fri May  9 14:06:39 2008
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:06:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB in TV spot
In-Reply-To: <4905545.2862341210341475250.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net>
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Excellent!!!!
Dave Houser
(Looks like mine)


On May 9, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Joseph Cianciotti wrote:

> Check out the MGB-GT in this spot for the BBC.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1_bl5oUmMo
>
> Joseph
> 67 MGB Roadster
> _______________________________________________

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Fri May  9 14:09:18 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese company to restart MG TF production - AutoWeek
	Magazine
Message-ID: <248DDCBE-D860-4BBF-B7B6-AE5B591E3CB0@gmail.com>

<http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/FREE/977439236/1528/newsletter01 

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Fri May  9 16:05:17 2008
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:05:17 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure
In-Reply-To: <960359.62243.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <903189.81223.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<960359.62243.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004601c8b220$c41335b0$4c39a110$@com>

I used to drive a Mars Red Sirocco, the color doesn't matter. I had one
change lanes on me and also had to hit the berm.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Rick Lindsay
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Carl French; Eric Erickson; MG list
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Post Crunch Pleasure

The world just doesn't look out for low-slung cars! 
BTW, my 308GTB is 44" ( 112cm) tall and, at
that time, was tarmac gray.  The car was essentially
invisible to him.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat May 10 00:47:12 2008
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:47:12 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20080506192757.02f62b80@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00d401c8b269$ad714150$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>

Citrokn 2CV's were made into the eighties with handcranking standard 
equipment.
I have had 2 of these and the manual states, that when the outside 
temperature falls below 10 deg C, one should handcrank without the ignotion 
switches on for 10 turns, in order to ease the battery to actually start the 
engine.
At least this was the case for my 1965 2CV, which was equipped with a 6 V 
battery.

I actually had to use this and it worked quite well.

Cheers,

Hans
'71 BGT engine in overhaul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Schnittke" <g.schnittke at comcast.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 2:40 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Hand cranking


> Discussion came up at home tonight twixt the wife and myself about
> hand-cranking engines and when the practice died out.
>
> The question before the board is "What was the last automobile 
> manufactured
> with the capability to hand crank the engine?"  Not the necessity, but the
> capability.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
> It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.
> And then we'll have an eye to play with.
> -Durwood
>
> Glenn Schnittke
> g.schnittke at comcast.net
> glenn.schnittke at vanderbilt.edu

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat May 10 08:06:45 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:06:45 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Racing flicks
References: <C449CC06.17A2C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <012e01c8b2a8$a2b6fbd0$0200a8c0@Three>

Ah well, since when did American film makers take any notice of historical 
accuracy?

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... The
> big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been
> cancelled by then),... 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat May 10 08:36:17 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:36:17 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese company to restart MG TF production -
 AutoWeekMagazine
References: <248DDCBE-D860-4BBF-B7B6-AE5B591E3CB0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020201c8b2ac$e5ed43b0$0200a8c0@Three>

One of many dates announced, none have been met so far, although this one is 
closer so hopefully more chance of achieving it.  Last I heard the firm 
contracted to do body welding had pulled out as the volumes weren't enough 
to justify their investment, projected numbers (of cars and future 
employees) and been reduced a number of times.  I hope they are more 
'modern' than the Roewe ones shown accompanying the news item, they looked 
almost exactly the same as the MG Rover models when they went bust.

PaulH.

From don at napanet.net  Sat May 10 11:05:11 2008
From: don at napanet.net (don)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:05:11 -0800
Subject: [Mgs] Chinese companies
In-Reply-To: <020201c8b2ac$e5ed43b0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <248DDCBE-D860-4BBF-B7B6-AE5B591E3CB0@gmail.com>
	<020201c8b2ac$e5ed43b0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20080510085231.03289e08@pop.napanet.net>

>On the subject of Chinese industry- If any of you have any of the 
>"Original" MG (or other marques) books, take a look at where they were 
>printed.  Three of the ones I have were printed in China, two in Hong 
>Kong.  The books are beautifully crafted, so can't criticize for 
>quality.  They are not cheap; they could have been printed here in the 
>U.S. and sold for the same amount and been profitable for the book company.

>Books are just one minor industry among the miltitude of products that we 
>are buying from foreign sources, products that we used to extract or 
>manufacture ourselves.  I wonder if we western consumers realize that when 
>Asian and Middle Eastern companies invest all their profits that the next 
>thing they'll pluck off is our agricultural land.  They have a lot of 
>mouths to feed.




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From ejrussell at mebtel.net  Sun May 11 12:07:31 2008
From: ejrussell at mebtel.net (Eric J Russell)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA radiator duct panel question
Message-ID: <006401c8b392$04b27320$ae10c263@ejrussell>

I am doing some long neglected repairs on my MGA. (Well, all it really 
needs is to have the body repaired, the chassis replaced and the 
drivetrain rebuilt...)

Anyway, I've decided to replace the radiator duct panel rather than 
try to patch it. My question is: can it be R/R'ed without also 
replacing the valence support panel?
(item #35 here: 
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29234 )

Eric Russell
Mebane, NC
http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 11 14:57:10 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:57:10 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Racing flicks
In-Reply-To: <012e01c8b2a8$a2b6fbd0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <C44CABB6.17A9F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

British filmmakers, in this case.

on 5/10/08 7:06 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Ah well, since when did American film makers take any notice of historical
> accuracy?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> ... The
>> big finale was the Mille Miglia (which I am thinking had already been
>> cancelled by then),...
> 
> 



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From battanhr at comcast.net  Sun May 11 15:34:27 2008
From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil filter adapter - found!
In-Reply-To: <481BF273.2060904@smarc.net>
References: <481BF273.2060904@smarc.net>
Message-ID: <126D4EBC5D4D4C9990C65EC4891E886A@xps410>

Folks, I recently posted that I was in need of an upright oil filter adapter 
for a '79 'B'. Good news- Jon found a good used one for me at a fair price, 
so I'm all set to install it and run again.

Thanks for having such a great resource as this list to help us out with our 
little 'issues'.

Howard Battan

From strovato at optonline.net  Mon May 12 19:22:55 2008
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
Message-ID: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while 
negative ground inhibits it.  I can see how making the body of the 
car be the anode could be a bad thing, in theory.  What I am 
wondering is, has anyone ever seen any real evidence that there is 
any difference in actual practice?  I'm looking for some real 
data.  My googling has not turned up anything other than anecdotal 
information.  Maybe I need to consult with the Positive Earth Society.  Thanks.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May 13 01:54:41 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:54:41 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <00d601c8b4cf$dca6d490$0200a8c0@Three>

The theory is well proven in other areas, telecoms cables used to be lead
covered and in the days of electric trams with earth return through the rails
and ground the currents could literally cause the lead to transfer from the
cable sheath into the ground.  The telcos counteracted this by burying lead
anodes in the ground connected to a voltage supply which balanced the current
flow in the cables and the 'sacrificial anode' was destroyed instead.

I did remember hearing at the time of the change of car polarity that (one of)
the reason(s) was electrolytic corrosion, but if you reverse the polarity
something else has to corrode, so what that was going to be I can't recall.
It would only happen where there were electrical connections, so maybe it was
supposed to be the terminals bolted to the body that corroded instead of the
body, but I can't say I have ever seen any evidence of that.  In any case the
other side of the electrical circuit i.e. where the battery connected to the
body instead of where the components connected to the body would have reversed
potential as well and so in theory that would then corrode at the body
instead.

But that could only affect ground connections to the body as I say, not
corrosion elsewhere.  That is either caused by exposure to the elements, or in
the case of most volume manufacturers in the late 60s and 70s when costs were
rising rapidly they were buying cheaper steel, which hadn't been heated high
enough for long enough to get rid of the impurities, and using thinner paint
coverings.  The cheaper steel suffers from localised *internal* electrolytic
corrosion even when fully sealed from the elements, and was the main cause of
perforation at that time.  I believe BMW at that time used to soak samples of
each delivery of steel in a brine bath for several hours if not days and if
any surface rust was visible at the end they would reject the whole
consignment.  Things got so bad that eventually all manufacturers had to pull
their socks up and go for improved steel, better paint and wax treatments of
box-sections in order to offer multi-year anti-perforation guarantees, but
that was *only* against internal corrosion, not external from damaged paint
surfaces.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----
  I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while
  negative ground inhibits it.

From rbgosling at googlemail.com  Tue May 13 02:31:08 2008
From: rbgosling at googlemail.com (Richard Gosling)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:31:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
In-Reply-To: <00d601c8b4cf$dca6d490$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<00d601c8b4cf$dca6d490$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <9f2527520805130131o1a34bf67o30ce7dfd3006feed@mail.gmail.com>

"...but if you reverse the polarity something else has to corrode, so what
that was going to be I can't recall..."

Well, that would make any live wire more vulnerable to corrosion, instead of
anything that was earth.  But since the live wires are pretty well protected
by their insulation, and are mostly copper or aluminium anyway (neither of
which corrode in a way that leads to failure), that isn't really a problem.

The dodgy bit of this whole theory is that, for electrolytic corrosion to
occur, current needs to flow through something that surrounds the metal.
Under water the current can flow through the water, particularly sea water.
Buried underground there is enough moisture around for the current to flow
through that.  But our cars are surrounded by air - except when it rains!
This is why the magic electronic devices that are sold to prevent rust are a
waste of time - they work well in demonstrations, because plenty of water is
involved, but unless there is a continuous path of water between the device
and every bit of metal on your car it's not going to protect your car.
Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May 13 02:45:07 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:45:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<00d601c8b4cf$dca6d490$0200a8c0@Three>
	<9f2527520805130131o1a34bf67o30ce7dfd3006feed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012201c8b4d6$319c0a50$0200a8c0@Three>

Maybe I wrote to much, but that is what I said.

The issue *is* supposed to be corrosion where there is an electrical
connection, and not simply the polarity of something in free air.  In the case
of a car body it is where earth wires connect to the body, with one polarity
it is supposed to be the body that corrodes, with the other it would be the
connector as I said.

Copper and aluminium corrode away just as steel does, every metal does with
the exception of gold.  I've had a headlight wire corrode through where the
insulation cracked in the wheel arch and water got in, although that was more
likely to be from salt and water rather than polarity.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  Well, that would make any live wire more vulnerable to corrosion, instead of
anything that was earth.  But since the live wires are pretty well protected
by their insulation, and are mostly copper or aluminium anyway (neither of
which corrode in a way that leads to failure), that isn't really a problem.

From strovato at optonline.net  Tue May 13 05:13:36 2008
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
Message-ID: <0K0T006VF0JTRTD0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Paul & Richard,

Yes, I agree with your comments.  I guess I am just imagining a nice 
study that some automotive engineer could have/should have done to 
prove or disprove this.  Maybe take a taxi fleet and set half up one 
way, and half the other.  Then after some years go by, do some 
analysis of the state of corrosion.  Of course you'd probably have to 
lock away all the jumper cables in the city to keep the fireworks to 
a minimum.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net

From guinness at stclegal.com  Tue May 13 07:34:49 2008
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:34:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
Message-ID: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>

After rebuilding the cylinder head and carbs on my 1961 MGA (with 1800 
MGB 3 main engine and original MGA carbs), the engine fired right up . . 
.  to 3000 RPM!  It appears that the rear carb is causing the high 
revs.  If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms down 
to around 1500 .  The front carb is behaving appropriately.  I assume I 
have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten.  
Here are my questions for the group's wisdom.  What is/are the likely 
cause(s)?  Can I fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight 
around there  --  but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum 
tube, spring holder, etc.)?  Can I just remove the rear carb?  Any 
helpful techniques or procedures to deal with these issues?  Please note 
that when I use the word "can", I really mean "should I do it as part of 
"best practices".

Thanks.
-- 
Robert Guinness
1961 MGA

From barnhart at geneseo.net  Tue May 13 07:52:30 2008
From: barnhart at geneseo.net (barnhart at geneseo.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:52:30 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Fuel Guage needed
Message-ID: <36769.1210686750@geneseo.net>

	  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
Anyone have an extra fuel guage laying about?   Outside cosmetics not
really important.   I really only need a good armature assembly to
repair the one I have.  So internals would be okay , too.     Contact
off list.   barnhart at geneseo.net [1]
	Chris

	69 MGB

	58 MGA


Links:
------
[1] mailto:barnhart at geneseo.,net

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Tue May 13 08:00:26 2008
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:00:26 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
Message-ID: <cec.3274fc41.355af8fa@aol.com>

You may have a throttle plate that isn't centred or has a loose screw and  
has become uncentred, jamming the throttle slightly open.  Or the throttle  
shafts may be passing too much air.  Either way, the carb probably has to  come 
off to inspect it (unless you wiggle the shaft and it is clearly too loose  - in 
which case the carb has to come off anyway).
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 13/05/2008 6:35:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
guinness at stclegal.com writes:

Can I  fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight 
around there   --  but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum 
tube, spring  holder, etc.)?  

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue May 13 08:25:54 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
In-Reply-To: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
References: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <C9B5196D-8B24-416A-BB07-911ACAFC31DE@gmail.com>

I'd say if you are blocking 80% that you have an air leak somewhere.

These are H4 then not HS4?

Check for vacuum leaks. Reset the carbs to the starting point and try
again?


On May 13, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Robert J. Guinness wrote:

> After rebuilding the cylinder head and carbs on my 1961 MGA (with 1800
> MGB 3 main engine and original MGA carbs), the engine fired right  
> up . .
> .  to 3000 RPM!  It appears that the rear carb is causing the high
> revs.  If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms  
> down
> to around 1500 .  The front carb is behaving appropriately.  I  
> assume I
> have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten.
> Here are my questions for the group's wisdom.  What is/are the likely
> cause(s)?  Can I fix the carb without removing it (man is space tight
> around there  --  but I hate dealing with the carb stud nuts, vacuum
> tube, spring holder, etc.)?  Can I just remove the rear carb?  Any
> helpful techniques or procedures to deal with these issues?  Please  
> note
> that when I use the word "can", I really mean "should I do it as  
> part of
> "best practices".
>
> Thanks.
> -- 
> Robert Guinness
> 1961 MGA
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May 13 08:25:11 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:25:11 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
References: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <01f201c8b505$9f16bab0$0200a8c0@Three>

I don't know about the MGA but this can happen on the MGB if the
interconnecting shaft clamps have been tightened before the carbs have been
set up.  This can be holding one butterfly open much more than the other.
Make sure it is nothing external like the linkages, cable, idle and fast idle
screws before dismantling.   The only way you can get a high idle is if the
throttle butterfly isn't fully closing off the throat, or possibly from worn
spindle and bushes where the mixture is bypassing the fully closed butterfly.
It's not because of the jet.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ...  It appears that the rear carb is causing the high
  revs.  If I block about 80% of the rear carb's air inlet, it calms down
  to around 1500 .  The front carb is behaving appropriately.  I assume I
  have issues with the jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue May 13 08:36:53 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:36:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
References: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
	<C9B5196D-8B24-416A-BB07-911ACAFC31DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021101c8b507$b86cb670$0200a8c0@Three>

You can't get a high idle, particularly one that revs at 3000 rpm, that can't
be reduced by slackening the idle screw, purely from a vacuum leak.  It's true
that a vacuum leak will make an engine idle faster *for a given throttle
opening*, but you should *always* be able to compensate for that by slackening
the idle screws.  An engine can't run on air alone, if it is running at all
then it must be getting some fuel past the butterfly, so either the butterfly
is open or the fuel is bypassing it in some way.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  I'd say if you are blocking 80% that you have an air leak somewhere.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue May 13 09:19:38 2008
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] "High rev'ing" MGA carb
In-Reply-To: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
References: <482998F9.6010502@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <20080513170746.BA2E4187661@autox.team.net>

At 08:34 AM 5/13/2008 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote:
>After rebuilding the .... carbs on my 1961 MGA .... the engine fired 
>right up . . .  to 3000 RPM!  .... I assume I have issues with the 
>jet because the adjusting nut will not tighten.

Adjusting nut will only affect fuel mixture, not cause idle speed that high.

Throttle shaft would never be worn so badly to pass enough air to 
make it idle that high.

>Here are my questions for the group's wisdom.  What is/are the 
>likely cause(s)?

3000 rpm idle requires quite a lot of excess air.  An air leak that 
large down stream from the carbs would lean out the mixture so much 
as to require substantial amout of choke to keep it running,  If it 
"idles" at 3000 rpm without choke it is probably not a leak down 
strean.  If you must hold at least half choke to keep it running, 
then it may be a LARGE air leak at a down stream gasket or an open 
hole in the in take manifold.

The more likely source of air flow for the high idle speed is a 
partially open throttle valve.  If the throttle plate is off center 
it will bind on the wall of the throat preventing closure.  Solution 
is to loosen the screws, close the throttle plate fully to touch all 
around the edge, and tighten the screws.

Perhaps the most likely cause of the high idle is carb air flow 
grossly out of synch (also easiest to fix).  The MGA has flexible 
"accordian" clamps linking the shaft(s) between the carbs.  If these 
are tightened while the carbs are grossly out of synch they will stay 
that way regardless of what you do with the idle screws.  Solution is 
to loosen one of of the throttle shaft clamps to allow teh two 
throttle valves to move indendently while you synchromize air flow, 
then tighten the shaft clamp(s).

>Can I fix the carb without removing it ....

If teh carbs ar jsut out of synch, it's an wasy fix in 
situ.  Otherwise, probably not.  Down strean vacuum leak would 
require R&R of carbs to fix a gasket leak (unless ittorned out to be 
a hole in the intake manifold).  Misaligned throttle plate requires 
acess to the small screws in the throttle shaft, which would be quite 
tricky with the carb mounted (but may be possible if you're a 
contortionist with a mirror).

>  Can I just remove the rear carb?  ....

Yes, if you disconnect on of the throttle shaft clamps.  But you have 
to remove both carbs for access to gaskets inboard from the heat shield.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Tue May 13 13:46:17 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] media blaster in Minneapolis/St Paul
Message-ID: <04AD6486-4210-44EC-BD36-87E2C5A68EF6@gmail.com>

I bought 2 more Cosmic wheels for spare almost off eBay, and got them  
over the weekend.

They need to be blasted. Whatever media you use for aluminum.  I  
wasn't thrilled with the
place I used last year for the first 4 I bought. And so I'm looking  
recommendations for a place
to take them.

Anybody got a good place in the Twin Ciites? I'm in no hurry, these  
wheels are just spares.

Paul.

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Tue May 13 13:52:18 2008
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:52:18 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>

During my study electronics back in the early seventies, I have been tought, 
that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated 
with the ground connected to the positve power.
Reason is, that the coils would "wear" in time and therewith the wire of the 
coil would increase in resistance, if the power system would have ground 
connected to the negative lead.

Only my 1966 Ford Cortina had the positive terminal of the battery connected 
to ground.
Practically I did not see any difference.
Only the lousy starter motor bendix was cracked once. Nothing to do with the 
pos/neg.

Cheers,

Hans

'71 BGT with engine in overhaul 18-GK will remain the original!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Trovato" <strovato at optonline.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:22 AM
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?


>I have seen the assertion that positive ground encourages rust, while
> negative ground inhibits it.  I can see how making the body of the
> car be the anode could be a bad thing, in theory.  What I am
> wondering is, has anyone ever seen any real evidence that there is
> any difference in actual practice?  I'm looking for some real
> data.  My googling has not turned up anything other than anecdotal
> information.  Maybe I need to consult with the Positive Earth Society. 
> Thanks.
>
> -Steve Trovato
> strovato at optonline.net

From strovato at optonline.net  Tue May 13 14:27:00 2008
From: strovato at optonline.net (Steven Trovato)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
In-Reply-To: <004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <0K0T00GRDQ75P6J1@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Hans,

Well, the metal erosion/deposition that takes place across contacts 
is a different situation, I think.  As for the actual wire wearing, 
that I don't understand.  Why should a piece of copper care which 
direction electrons are flowing in?

I have an MGA and a Magnette and they are both positive ground and I 
don't see any difference either.  (If you're reading this, sorry 
Barney.  I know this makes you think I'm insane.)

In any event, my quest for actual scientific data continues.

-Steve Trovato
strovato at optonline.net




At 03:52 PM 5/13/2008, Hans Duinhoven wrote:
>During my study electronics back in the early seventies, I have been 
>tought, that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids 
>should be operated with the ground connected to the positve power.
>Reason is, that the coils would "wear" in time and therewith the 
>wire of the coil would increase in resistance, if the power system 
>would have ground connected to the negative lead.
>
>Only my 1966 Ford Cortina had the positive terminal of the battery 
>connected to ground.
>Practically I did not see any difference.

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue May 13 18:09:35 2008
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:09:35 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
In-Reply-To: <0K0T00GRDQ75P6J1@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>
	<0K0T00GRDQ75P6J1@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <20080514001107.1CFCE187652@autox.team.net>

At 04:27 PM 5/13/2008 -0400, Steven Trovato wrote:
>....
>I have an MGA and a Magnette and they are both positive ground and I 
>don't see any difference either.  (If you're reading this, sorry 
>Barney.  I know this makes you think I'm insane.)
>..

It doesn't bother me in the least.  My MGA ran 20 years with positive 
earth, then a 9 year layover during restoration, then 21 years with 
negatige earth.  I don't see any difference either.

If anyone was worrying about corosion where ground  wires connect to 
the chassis or body, you should remember that all of the ground wires 
other than the battery ground cable have current flowing in the 
opposite direction across the connection from the battery ground 
cable.  If current flows from the remote ground wires into the body 
or chassis, then it flows from the body or chassis into the battery 
ground cable, or vice versa depanding on polarity.  If you think one 
corrodes more than the other, then you get to choose which you want 
to corrode more and which less.  I don''t have any corrosion problem 
with any of them.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May 13 19:37:50 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:37:50 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net><004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c><0K0T00GRDQ75P6J1@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<20080514001107.1CFCE187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004801c8b563$1f5d3110$6801a8c0@shop>

<<then you get to choose which you want 
to corrode more and which less. >>

Which I doubt anybody here would live to even see!!  LOL

For REAL info on + earth, Mack Trucks where standard that way for longer than I can remember!!!  And last I heard, still available to fleet customers.

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 22:40:47 2008
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
In-Reply-To: <20080514001107.1CFCE187652@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <289810.84612.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Barney Gaylord <barneymg at mgaguru.com> wrote:

>   ...If you think one 
> corrodes more than the other, then you get to choose which you want
>  to corrode more and which less.  I don''t have any corrosion
> problem with any of them.

That reflects my experience.  It would be interesting to know what
the
"official" reason was for automotive manufacturers to standardize on
negative ground.  When I asked my father (who was pretty skookum on
electrical issues) what the reason was, in the 1970s, he said it had
something to do with corrosion, but the actual science of it was
always unclear. Hhhhmmmmmmm......

Maybe this is a job for Art Bell.




David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com

From bobmgtd at comcast.net  Thu May 15 19:44:15 2008
From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:44:15 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] test, my ISP changed my address
Message-ID: <001e01c8b6f6$59babf00$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

test test test insightbb.com to comcast.net

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From bobmgtd at comcast.net  Thu May 15 19:47:08 2008
From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Painting Rostyle Wheels
Message-ID: <002901c8b6f6$c0fe9920$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

Rust has reappeared on my MGB rostyle wheels after painting them a few years
ago. Would a base coat of POR-15 keep the rust away? Would POR's Stirling
Silver be a good match for the top coat? My car is a daily driver, and sees
plenty of rain.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From batangelias at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 00:56:31 2008
From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <001e01c8b6f6$59babf00$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone,
  I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together.  The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound.  
  My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run?
  I plan a show and go car a keeper too.
Thanks in advance,

Martin 
65' MGB

From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 16 06:49:16 2008
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:49:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <482D82CC.1070404@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Martin,
Please note that the following is strictly my opinion:
Yes, you may swap the automatic for a manual.  But considering all 
effort and expense involved, you might want to consider putting all that 
in to repairing the automatic.   I have no experience with an MGC but I 
remember swapping automatics for manuals in american cars - '55 Chevys 
for example.  That was quite a popular swap.  Even with lots of donor 
cars in the junk yards, it was not a project to be taken lightly.  A lot 
of linkages had to be swapped and adjusted.  It might be worth 
considering a permanent swap to a later model automatic transmission.  
I'm sure there must be something that would be adaptable.

Charles Hill

Martin C. Galan wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>   I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together.  The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound.  
>   My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run?
>   I plan a show and go car a keeper too.
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Martin 
> 65' MGB

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri May 16 06:20:37 2008
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:20:37 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20080516.094506.616.5.MGBOB@juno.com>

   I believe the MGC used a common BorgWarner automatic, type 35, that
was also used in US postal trucks.  
Bob


 
On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:31 -0700 (PDT) "Martin C. Galan"
<batangelias at yahoo.com> writes:
> Hi Everyone,
>   I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the 
> owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 
> and says he has no time to put the MGC together.  The MGC has not 
> been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave 
> way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound.  
>   My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on 
> the automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, 
> considering the MGC had a limited run?
>   I plan a show and go car a keeper too.
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Martin 
> 65' MGB

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Fri May 16 08:10:11 2008
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:10:11 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cb2.30c470a6.355eefc3@aol.com>

I have a spare MGC auto box if anyone needs one.
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 16/05/2008 6:46:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgbob at juno.com writes:

I  believe the MGC used a common BorgWarner automatic, type 35, that
was also  used in US postal trucks.  

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 16 09:44:07 2008
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:44:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C452F9D7.17CC2%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

That would be not so much a "swap" as a fabrication exercise. You have to
add a pedal, remember, with all the associated linkage. I don't know how BMC
did it, but American cars of that era used different floor and tunnel
stampings for manuals and automatics. Then consider, you would be changing
it all back. It would probably be easier to repair/replace the automatic.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 5/15/08 11:56 PM, Martin C. Galan at batangelias at yahoo.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>   I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the owner and he
> has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 and says he has no time
> to put the MGC together.  The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because
> the automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in good order
> and the body sound.
>   My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work on the
> automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability like, considering
> the MGC had a limited run?
>   I plan a show and go car a keeper too.
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Martin 
> 65' MGB

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Fri May 16 12:10:19 2008
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:10:19 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0DE10E13@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Martin: Finding a manual transmission and the rest of the bits necessary
to do the conversion is going to be the hard part. Many owners have
traded out from auto to manual, making availability pretty poor.

The transmission is a Borg Warner type 35 and parts availability should
be pretty good. It may be possible to upgrade to the later type 65, but
I've not heard of anyone actually doing it.

I've got a friend who is an auto box expert working on fitting a modern
four speed auto box in place of a type 35 on a Rover P6B, but I'm not
holding my breath for an easy swap.

MGC specific parts are a bit tricky to find compared to the ease of
getting MGB stuff. In the US the main problem is with the dual servo
brake system. UK cars don't have this problem. King pin kits were tough
to get for a while, but it looks like they are back again. The cars are
getting a following finally, so parts availability is getting better.


Kelvin
1969 MGC GT




> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Martin C. Galan
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:57 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] (no subject)
>
> Hi Everyone,
>   I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know
> the owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is
> turning 73 and says he has no time to put the MGC together.
> The MGC has not been used for about 6 years because the
> automatic transmission gave way. Most of the car is still in
> good order and the body sound.
>   My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I
> work on the automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts
> availability like, considering the MGC had a limited run?
>   I plan a show and go car a keeper too.
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Martin
> 65' MGB

From bobmgtd at comcast.net  Fri May 16 14:31:52 2008
From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open
Message-ID: <000601c8b793$e0560b30$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I need
to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do?????

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 14:58:47 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open
Message-ID: <443074.27501.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bob, sometimes if you push down on the lid while pushing the button in, it will open. Failing that, you can get access to the mechanism by removing one of the backup light lenses. Then you get a wire coathanger and fish around. 

 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html



----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Donahue <bobmgtd at comcast.net>
To: mgs <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:31:52 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open

The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I need
to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do?????

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana
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From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Fri May 16 15:10:35 2008
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open
In-Reply-To: <000601c8b793$e0560b30$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
References: <000601c8b793$e0560b30$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F4C7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

After this happened to me more than once (usually when it was warm or
hot outside, always worked fine in cool weather), I was able to rotate
the lock handle anti-clockwise maybe 1/4 turn. It may take a rap with a
hammer but it does technically unscrew. Then drill a small hole with
1/8" drill bit right below the lock, at what might be called the six
o'clock position. I think it needs to be maybe 1/4-1/3" below the lock
assembly. The idea is that you can then push a nail or even the drill
bit against the lock latch to push it open. Maybe someone else has done
this? I suppose it works better after the boot is open so you can see
exactly how it works. Once you have it drilled as such, next time it
won't open, you can rotate the assembly to expose the hole and use a pin
to push the latch open. When the lock assembly is back in place, the
hole is concealed. Hope this makes enough sense...

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bob Donahue
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:32 PM
To: mgs
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open

The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in there I
need
to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do?????

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Fri May 16 15:23:39 2008
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:23:39 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
In-Reply-To: <392DC037-6DD0-4D02-8BC3-077F6CAC5A7E@gmail.com>
References: <392DC037-6DD0-4D02-8BC3-077F6CAC5A7E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F4C8@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

About a month ago, I posted a question to the list which was not fully
answered at the time. But I was looking to replace the CD player in my
72B as it tended to malfunction during hot days. I was looking ideally
with something that not only fit but could take input from an iPod or a
mp3 player. One person suggested Crutchfield but I couldn't find
anything definitive there. I was hoping for some real experience where
someone said they successfully installed a specific readily available cd
player.

I researched some on the Internet, procrastinated a few weeks, then Paul
Root posted an email (below). I went ahead and ordered the same model
JVC from Newegg and it is a good fit and is working great so far. During
my research, I found the typical in dash cd player is 7" wide, 2" high,
and 7" deep. What we need at least in the plastic dash/console models of
the 1970s is something closer to a depth of 6". My Clarion was a shorter
depth and the JVC model was also the same depth. Sometimes you can get
the measurements before buying. I couldn't find the stats on the JVC but
took Paul's word on it and tried it. I just have to figure out some of
its many features.

It still is a tight fit. It does press against the defrost hoses and
will make checking my transmission oil a bit difficult though.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road

finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the
dash put in.

I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't
have the heater valve dial hooked up.
Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I
just have the valve all the way open.

Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed
normal or less. So I'm satisfied that
I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the
heater core filled back up, but it seems good.

I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one,
and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can
even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have
a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily
enough.

It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79.
It's $99 right now from Newegg.

I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got
some decent weather.

Paul.

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 15:52:35 2008
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:52:35 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F4C8@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <392DC037-6DD0-4D02-8BC3-077F6CAC5A7E@gmail.com><4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F4C8@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <mailman.12570.1210974735.1200.mgs@autox.team.net>

So the overall message is, as I have said before, "Paul rules!". :-)

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Councill, David" <dcouncill at msubillings.edu>

Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:23:39 
To:"MG Mailing List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] back on the road


About a month ago, I posted a question to the list which was not fully
answered at the time. But I was looking to replace the CD player in my
72B as it tended to malfunction during hot days. I was looking ideally
with something that not only fit but could take input from an iPod or a
mp3 player. One person suggested Crutchfield but I couldn't find
anything definitive there. I was hoping for some real experience where
someone said they successfully installed a specific readily available cd
player.

I researched some on the Internet, procrastinated a few weeks, then Paul
Root posted an email (below). I went ahead and ordered the same model
JVC from Newegg and it is a good fit and is working great so far. During
my research, I found the typical in dash cd player is 7" wide, 2" high,
and 7" deep. What we need at least in the plastic dash/console models of
the 1970s is something closer to a depth of 6". My Clarion was a shorter
depth and the JVC model was also the same depth. Sometimes you can get
the measurements before buying. I couldn't find the stats on the JVC but
took Paul's word on it and tried it. I just have to figure out some of
its many features.

It still is a tight fit. It does press against the defrost hoses and
will make checking my transmission oil a bit difficult though.

David Councill
67 BGT
72 B

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: [Mgs] back on the road

finally made time this weekend and got the heater installed and the
dash put in.

I found that once everything was buttoned up the dash, that I don't
have the heater valve dial hooked up.
Joy everything has to come back apart. Not today. In the mean time, I
just have the valve all the way open.

Took it for a bout a 30 minute drive this evening. Temperature stayed
normal or less. So I'm satisfied that
I've got enough coolant in it. I was concerned about getting the
heater core filled back up, but it seems good.

I put a new radio in, it's pretty nice. more power than the old one,
and the unit is smaller and fits great. I can
even get my hand in behind it. The nicest part is that the wires have
a plug into the back, so you can get it out easily
enough.

It's a JVC KD-APD38 comes with an iPod cable. 50Wx4. I got it for $79.
It's $99 right now from Newegg.

I believe I'll be driving it into work tomorrow. About time we got
some decent weather.

Paul.
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat May 17 20:13:24 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open
In-Reply-To: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025F0229F4C7@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
References: <000601c8b793$e0560b30$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
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I've done this as well. It's the easiest way to get at the lock.

On May 16, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Councill, David wrote:

> After this happened to me more than once (usually when it was warm or
> hot outside, always worked fine in cool weather), I was able to rotate
> the lock handle anti-clockwise maybe 1/4 turn. It may take a rap  
> with a
> hammer but it does technically unscrew. Then drill a small hole with
> 1/8" drill bit right below the lock, at what might be called the six
> o'clock position. I think it needs to be maybe 1/4-1/3" below the lock
> assembly. The idea is that you can then push a nail or even the drill
> bit against the lock latch to push it open. Maybe someone else has  
> done
> this? I suppose it works better after the boot is open so you can see
> exactly how it works. Once you have it drilled as such, next time it
> won't open, you can rotate the assembly to expose the hole and use a  
> pin
> to push the latch open. When the lock assembly is back in place, the
> hole is concealed. Hope this makes enough sense...
>
> David Councill
> 67 BGT
> 72 B
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net] On  
> Behalf
> Of Bob Donahue
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:32 PM
> To: mgs
> Subject: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open
>
> The trunk/boot on my '71 B won't open. I have some valuables in  
> there I
> need
> to get out. I may have overfilled it. What can I do?????

From rareisse at postoffice.worldnet.att.net  Sun May 18 07:27:53 2008
From: rareisse at postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Robert Alan Reisse)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <62994.23887.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi,

Along with the other problems mentioned,  The hole for the shifter is 
in a different place.  To do the conversion,  you need to find a MGC 
gear box as the bell housing is unique to the MGC's even though the 
transmissions are the same.  Also, I am not sure it the cranks or the 
flywheel are the same.

Let's us know if there is anything else that you might need to 
know.  I have two friends with MGC's, all are automatics.  I think 
about half of the ones that are left are automatics,  at least that 
is my impression from going to various shows.  You might want to 
consider going to MG2008.  The MGC convention is being held at the 
same time so you could meet up with quite a few examples.

Bob Reisse
1969 MGC

At 02:56 AM 5/16/2008, Martin C. Galan wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>   I may have the opportunity to acquire a 1969 MGC GT. I know the 
> owner and he has a TC and MGB in his garage also. He is turning 73 
> and says he has no time to put the MGC together.  The MGC has not 
> been used for about 6 years because the automatic transmission gave 
> way. Most of the car is still in good order and the body sound.
>   My questions are; May I swap a manual transmission while I work 
> on the automatic?  Unlike the MGB, what is the parts availability 
> like, considering the MGC had a limited run?
>   I plan a show and go cara keeper too.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Martin
>65' MGB
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From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun May 18 08:24:34 2008
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:24:34 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGC
Message-ID: <cd3.33462656.35619622@aol.com>

The flywheel and clutch are quite different on the MGC, as well as the  
transmission casing as you pointed out. The internal gearbox ratios are also not  
the same as MGB
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 18/05/2008 7:05:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rareisse at postoffice.worldnet.att.net writes:

To do  the conversion,  you need to find a MGC 
gear box as the bell housing  is unique to the MGC's even though the 
transmissions are the same.   Also, I am not sure it the cranks or the 
flywheel are the  same.

From pete_groh at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 09:45:55 2008
From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB
Message-ID: <551040.13315.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul  Pete Groh, Ellicott City MD   On your locked trunk,  i get the
digest version of the list. 

If still no access, can send you a ring of pre-cut FS keys, single
sided keys. Will have to insert each key into the lock (the wafer/tabs
may be worn) 

I assume you did have a key to work the lock, and now does not work.

I have a ring of both FT and FS keys that I send to car owners when
they have a locked glove box or trunk, and no key code number to refer
to when cars is purchased or keys are lost.
Main idea is to get the ring of keys back.
Kind regards
Pete Groh (KeyGuy)  

Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:13:24 -0500
From: Paul Root <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help, I can't get my trunk/boot open

From wsteinman at pogolaw.com  Mon May 19 13:39:50 2008
From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:39:50 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] To those in the DC area.
In-Reply-To: <551040.13315.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <551040.13315.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82A974D0BA5A5E4C85412B56F8C0D4B206DBA1@US-EXCH-VS02.US.PGFM.NET>

Howdy all!  Some friends and I in the DC area have been toying with the
idea of putting together a loose confederation (let's NOT use the word
"club") of LBC owners to get together from time to time.  Sort of a
"cars and coffee" type idea, followed perhaps by a drive in the area.
Most of us are in the Bethesda-Chevy Chase-NW DC area, but that of
course isn't essential.  If you've got a MG and you're in the DC area,
and wouldn't mind gathering with other LBC people on an informal basis
-- like a Saturday morning in a supermarket or starbucks parking lot --
drop me an email!



*************


Bill S.
2005 Lotus Elise
1968 Triumph TR-250
1968 MGC Tourer
1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III
1965 Sunbeam Tiger
1959 Austin Healey 3000

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From atweditor at aol.com  Mon May 19 14:27:28 2008
From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:27:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] To those in the DC area.
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 Bill,

Since I started flying gliders again my spare time for my MG hobby has been cut sharply.? However, keep me listed, as I do intend to reactivate at some point.? My car is drivable, and I'm in what I call North Silver Spring (north of Wheaton).

Thanks,

Jay Donoghue
72MGBGT
66 Mustang
jayadonoghue at aol.com


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steinman, Bill <wsteinman at pogolaw.com>
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 3:39 pm
Subject: [Mgs] To those in the DC area.










Howdy all!  Some friends and I in the DC area have been toying with the
idea of putting together a loose confederation (let's NOT use the word
"club") of LBC owners to get together from time to time.  Sort of a
"cars and coffee" type idea, followed perhaps by a drive in the area.
Most of us are in the Bethesda-Chevy Chase-NW DC area, but that of
course isn't essential.  If you've got a MG and you're in the DC area,
and wouldn't mind gathering with other LBC people on an informal basis
-- like a Saturday morning in a supermarket or starbucks parking lot --
drop me an email!



*************


Bill S.
2005 Lotus Elise
1968 Triumph TR-250
1968 MGC Tourer
1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III
1965 Sunbeam Tiger
1959 Austin Healey 3000

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From bmills46 at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 14:53:47 2008
From: bmills46 at earthlink.net (Bill Mills)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:53:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB
Message-ID: <18001151.1211230428119.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0

Bill
'74 'BGT with Sabrina overriders
Raleigh, NC

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon May 19 17:47:26 2008
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB
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Drill a small hole under the bottom of the push button after a 1/8  
turn to open
up space, and then a drill bit or ice pick will open it in 10 seconds.



On May 19, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Bill Mills wrote:

> John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot  
> lock here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0
>
> Bill
> '74 'BGT with Sabrina overriders
> Raleigh, NC
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 09:18:08 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:18:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Mgs] STOLEN MORRIS MINOR CONVERT!!  San Francisco
Message-ID: <24633308.1211296689047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

CALLING ALL CARS ... CALLING ALL CARS ...

Gang,

Adrian, up in San Francisco has had his Minor ragtop stolen. It is a 1957 convertible with a Paul Asgeirsson Datsun running gear conversion and disc brakes. The color of the body is Old English White; the vinyl top and wheels are maroon. The interior is brown. The license plate number is:  4EQW577 - The vehicle identification number is: 85714

A noteworthy detail: a Morris Minor decal disk is affixed to the top of the gear shift with a steel belt or ring that is impossible to remove. This is a unique, instantly and recognizable feature.

Another noteworthy feature: the driver's seat does not slide forward or back. The front is bolted to the floor. It does tip forward to allow entry to the rear seat. But there is no other way it moves. There is no carpet on the floor.

A blue sticker- a San Francisco Parking permit is affixed to the left side of the rear bumper. There is no radio or stereo. 

The people who worked on it include: George Kelsen, Gerard Chateauvieux, Paul Asgiersson and the Sunset Garage. It has new radial steel belt tires and a spare. There is a lock on the gas tank. There is a dent in the left rear fender.

Contact:
Adrian Brooks 
<adrianbrooks at comcast.net>
415-252-5959
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Best,
Rick Feibusch

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue May 20 12:21:20 2008
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Attitude adjustment and GT-33 tech session
Message-ID: <20080520182116.9020F187670@autox.team.net>

For the latest installment of MGA body sill replacement (and body 
restoration), see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/rt628.htm
The short of it is the body is in smooth primer, about to turn red 
again in the next few days.  The pace of progress is quickening, 
planned to be back on the road within 4 weeks (6 weeks max).  It has 
to be, because it has a driving appointment.

A week ago I committed to getting the car to the NAMGAR GT-33 in 
western Pennsylvania in early July.  I was then promptly drafted to 
present a tech session at the GT.  It may be about two hours covering 
a wide variety of items on "Driveability".  This will be heavily 
loaded toward reliability issues, so you can go anywhere any time and 
drive your MG with reckless abandon, fully confident that it will 
always get where it's going without problems.  A few items on the 
agenda will be electrical connectors, ignition system, fuel system, 
cooling system, wire wheels and hub splines, periodic maintenance, 
and what tools or spare parts to carry for a road trip.  For safety 
and performance I will touch on tires and suspension tweaks, mild 
engine mods, seat belts, roll bar, power cut-off, and how to avoid 
being run over.  I will also cover some useful accessories, minor 
modifications and creature comforts, like trailer hitch, luggage 
rack, navigator's desk, gear ratio changes, cup holders (perish the 
thought), auxiliary lighting, relays, fuses, alternator, change of 
batteries and polarity, and installation of some electronic 
devices.  We will likely run out of time before I run out of subject 
material, but there will be time for some Q&A during and after the 
tech session (and throughout the week whenever you can catch me).

I am not going to stir up "who's going to the GT?" again.  This is 
just to confirm that I will be there and will be happy to meet and 
greet and chat with anyone who happens to show up.  I will also be 
arriving two days early to partake of the Twin Cam Golden Jubilee 
activities.  At this time I do not intend to stay the following 
weekend for the vintage races (maybe).  Side trips after the event 
are currently open to suggestion.  As usual, I hope to meet as many 
MG enthusiasts at possible.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu May 22 10:01:44 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:01:44 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <289810.84612.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <079001c8bc25$29d2ecc0$0200a8c0@Three>

It's that deja vu again ...
  ----- Original Message -----
  ... he said it had something to do with corrosion ...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu May 22 09:59:40 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:59:40 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <078e01c8bc25$28f9f1e0$0200a8c0@Three>

I did 32 years in telecoms and that never came up, although the 'sacrificial
anode' thing did.  As I recall all the switching equipment used a +50v supply
and hence a negative ground.  I can't see how a length of copper wire would
lose material with the current flowing in one direction but not the other.
Even with contacts one gets a pit and the other a spike, reverse the direction
and the pits and spike change places, but what do you gain?

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  ... I have been tought,
  that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated
  with the ground connected to the positve power.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May 23 03:00:04 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:00:04 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB
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Message-ID: <018701c8bcb4$72851a80$0200a8c0@Three>

Glad that wasn't my car he was clattering!

I never could really see how you could hook a length of coat hanger wire
through the reversing light aperture to open the boot lock, as it would have
to be hooked round the top half of the pivoting latch and pull it towards the
front of the car to be effective.  Inserting it through a hole in the rear
bulkhead maybe.  Twist's method stands more chance, but the business end has
to bear on the lower half of the pivoting latch and press it towards the rear
of the car.  Even though not much pressure is required where you have a
straight push against the latch given the angles involved I don't think steady
pressure through the reverse light hole would be enough.  Hitting it using his
tool may well work as he says, but I'm not surprised it can take an hour or
more of trying to get lucky.  Anyone with a GT can see for themselves what is
involved by removing the cover plate and working from inside the car, as
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_bodyframe.htm and clicking on 'Boot/Trunk
Release' shows.

As far as twisting the handle goes the both the body of the handle and the
hole in the lid have flats to prevent it twisting any more than is necessary
to allow insertion which only gives a few degrees normally, and not the 1/8th
or 1/4 turn mentioned (YMMV).  Nevertheless this can be enough to drill a
small hole immediately below the body of the handle, which will be covered
when the handle is twisted the other way, and will allow a pin to be inserted
to press down on the upper half of the pivoting latch.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock here:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0

From pchast at francomm.com  Fri May 23 05:28:29 2008
From: pchast at francomm.com (Peter Chast)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] suggest, lock trunk MGB
In-Reply-To: <018701c8bcb4$72851a80$0200a8c0@Three>
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Hi,

I've heard some involved fixes. I've managed to twist the handle also,
but not without dammage. the paint or crome easily scratches..
First I find a helper. Keeping pressure on the handle to open and
of course unlocked, I have my helper bounce on the trunk. First with
just their hands in various places accross the width. Then once it
was a small Lady helping. She sat on the trunk lid. It opened.

Luck to you.
Pete

2 midgets that need work.


On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:00:04 -0400, Paul Hunt
<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Glad that wasn't my car he was clattering!
>
> I never could really see how you could hook a length of coat hanger wire
> through the reversing light aperture to open the boot lock, as it would
> have
> to be hooked round the top half of the pivoting latch and pull it
> towards the
> front of the car to be effective.  Inserting it through a hole in the
> rear
> bulkhead maybe.  Twist's method stands more chance, but the business end
> has
> to bear on the lower half of the pivoting latch and press it towards the
> rear
> of the car.  Even though not much pressure is required where you have a
> straight push against the latch given the angles involved I don't think
> steady
> pressure through the reverse light hole would be enough.  Hitting it
> using his
> tool may well work as he says, but I'm not surprised it can take an hour
> or
> more of trying to get lucky.  Anyone with a GT can see for themselves
> what is
> involved by removing the cover plate and working from inside the car, as
> http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_bodyframe.htm and clicking on 'Boot/Trunk
> Release' shows.
>
> As far as twisting the handle goes the both the body of the handle and
> the
> hole in the lid have flats to prevent it twisting any more than is
> necessary
> to allow insertion which only gives a few degrees normally, and not the
> 1/8th
> or 1/4 turn mentioned (YMMV).  Nevertheless this can be enough to drill a
> small hole immediately below the body of the handle, which will be
> covered
> when the handle is twisted the other way, and will allow a pin to be
> inserted
> to press down on the upper half of the pivoting latch.
>
> PaulH.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   John Twist posted a video on UTube and attempts to open the boot lock
> here:
>
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUA-OlW-nK0
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From mmilkevitch at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 12:22:18 2008
From: mmilkevitch at yahoo.com (Matthew Milkevitch)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition
Message-ID: <178449.40676.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fellow Listers;
For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor,
what advance curves are you using?  
I have just acquired a unit, and I'm
curious to what people are running.
Thanks,
Matt Milkevitch
'74 BGT

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Fri May 23 13:46:14 2008
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:46:14 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <0K0S00K649BVNNA0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<004801c8b532$d9e7d2a0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>
	<078e01c8bc25$28f9f1e0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <33B195E562BD4BCB9EEF9237066D2E46@uw471de61b465c>

You gain, that the coils of solenoids and relais do not <wear> and will
generate a higher resistence in time.
When this happens, these devices will operate unreliable in time and
faultfinding to such a failure is a nightmare I can tell!

Modern electronic solutions are protected by a constant DC voltage / current
protection.
I have seen such devices connected to f.i. an electronic fuel pump
installation at a car fuel station.
It was called kathode protection.

Cheers,

Hans
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Paul Hunt
  To: Hans Duinhoven ; mgs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?


  I did 32 years in telecoms and that never came up, although the 'sacrificial
anode' thing did.  As I recall all the switching equipment used a +50v supply
and hence a negative ground.  I can't see how a length of copper wire would
lose material with the current flowing in one direction but not the other.
Even with contacts one gets a pit and the other a spike, reverse the direction
and the pits and spike change places, but what do you gain?

  PaulH.
    ----- Original Message -----
    ... I have been tought,
    that phone switching equipment like coils and solenoids should be operated
    with the ground connected to the positve power.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat May 24 08:34:03 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:34:03 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition
References: <178449.40676.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f201c8bdac$139d2730$0200a8c0@Three>

Which unit?  There are at least two, one specified by the *manufacturer* for
the MGB as it contains the original MGB curves, the other recommended by at
least one supplier even though it contains different curves.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----
  For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor,
  what advance curves are you using?

From donlaub at mac.com  Sat May 24 13:16:44 2008
From: donlaub at mac.com (Donald Laub)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:16:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Timing curves for 123ignition
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1211652001.30088.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1211652001.30088.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D0DD7A67-2BEB-4694-9A69-F42E291CB542@mac.com>

I had installed a Moss supercharger and a Sean Brown ported head on my  
1969 MGB. I found that the advance curves on the stock replacement  
distributors didn't yield the expected performance, so I installed the  
123GB4RV. I currently use curve 7, with 22 degrees advance at 2000  
rpm, and 30 degrees maximum advance at 4500 rpm. The old B is quite  
zippy now.

Do you have the 123GB4RV or the  123MG4RV? The latter has the original  
MG advance curves. And do you have a stock engine?

Don Laub
Burlington VT

>  ----- Original Message -----
>  For those of you using the 123ignition electronic distributor,
>  what advance curves are you using?

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun May 25 19:34:33 2008
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:33 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!!
Message-ID: <00e501c8bed0$a6effd80$6801a8c0@shop>

Even tho NOT BIG MGs I think you folks will be AMAZED!!!!!


You folks will NOT believe this UK bunch of pics!!!!!   UN-REAL!!!!
***********************************************************
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Guy Weller 
To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: [midgetsprite] Spridget 50, UK


A truely amazing event!
I haven't uploaded my photos yet, but here are a couple of links to other's
photos, just to give a taster of the day!

http://mobiasstrip.com/Spridget50/index.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25485888 at N08/sets/72157605254647435/

Guy

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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 25 19:52:34 2008
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!!
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what are those two red ones with the black top?  looks like a kit car?  a 
rebody of some kind?
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon May 26 07:39:40 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:39:40 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] New Haynes manuals
Message-ID: <001501c8bf37$b3e820a0$0200a8c0@Three>

Following the discovery of a Haynes Sprite & Midget tee-shirt for youngsters,
these are a must for the Haynes enthusiast:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spitfire-Manual-Restoring-Servicing-Legendary/dp/1844
254623

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lancaster-Manual-Restoring-Servicing-Legendary/dp/184
4254631

From jkk at adams.net  Mon May 26 07:54:40 2008
From: jkk at adams.net (James Kleemeyer)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:54:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Spridget 50th in UK!!!
References: <00e501c8bed0$a6effd80$6801a8c0@shop>
	<002001c8bed3$99d21cc0$8115a8c0@garage.local>
Message-ID: <001901c8bf38$0d2c73f0$6401a8c0@DD1H1CB1>

That's an Arkley body kit, if I'm not mistaken.

Jim

From: "Oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>


> what are those two red ones with the black top?  looks like a kit car?  a
> rebody of some kind?

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Tue May 27 10:06:07 2008
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:06:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
Message-ID: <a06230908c461e1e43cef@[128.151.164.253]>

Here in the north east USA everything rusts, that said, positive
-negative ground,  have never seen that it makes a difference.
Mentioned this to a few of my collages  the other day,  none believe
in it, like the magnets taped on the fuel line give you better fuel
economy.

-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
paul at ece.rochester.edu

From kger at plex.com  Tue May 27 10:25:27 2008
From: kger at plex.com (Keith G.)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] How to bleed master cylinder?
Message-ID: <483BFDB7.15068.D6C717@kger.plex.com>

My '79 B (with boosted brakes and the brake pressure sensor) needs 
its rear brake circuit bled.  After not making any progress with it, 
I traced the problem back to the master cylinder.  When pumping the 
brake pedal no fluid comes out of that port on the master cylinder.

Do I need to do anything special to bleed the master cylinder?

The normal brake bleeding procedure, which has always been  
relatively easy on this car and not very time-consuming, has not 
worked at all this time.  That's what led me back to the master 
cylinder.  The front brake circuit appears to be free of air, but the 
rears are giving me a fit.

-- 
Keith G.
1979 B

From jmc987 at verizon.net  Tue May 27 13:02:02 2008
From: jmc987 at verizon.net (Joseph Cianciotti)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:02:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent horn
Message-ID: <31506020.4094711211914922717.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>

I have a recurring problem with my MG's horn. Yesterday, it worked and then 
didn't, then did again. I've tried to isolate the conditions. And typically it 
seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and 
never when the car isn't running. In the non-working situations, I get an anemic 
sound or nothing at all. I have an alternator so my electrical power is 
consistent. And in the past, I've replaced the horns with new ones to no effect. 
Any suggestions? Thanks,

Joseph
'67 MGB Roadster

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Tue May 27 13:25:40 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:25:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent horn
In-Reply-To: <31506020.4094711211914922717.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <31506020.4094711211914922717.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <483C6034.1060907@gmail.com>

Joseph Cianciotti wrote:
> I have a recurring problem with my MG's horn. Yesterday, it worked and then 
> didn't, then did again. I've tried to isolate the conditions. And typically it 
> seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and 
> never when the car isn't running. In the non-working situations, I get an anemic 
> sound or nothing at all. I have an alternator so my electrical power is 
> consistent. And in the past, I've replaced the horns with new ones to no effect. 
> Any suggestions? Thanks,
It may be a less than optimum contact at the horn button, so that it works when the vibrations associated with running and driving are present, but not when all is at rest. Try cleaning the contacts.

-The Roxter
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May 28 01:41:23 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:41:23 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Positive ground = more rust?
References: <a06230908c461e1e43cef@[128.151.164.253]>
Message-ID: <006e01c8c098$0da55480$0200a8c0@Three>

Depends which way round you have the magnets and which way you are travelling
...
  ----- Original Message -----


  Mentioned this to a few of my collages  the other day,  none believe
  in it, like the magnets taped on the fuel line give you better fuel
  economy.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May 28 01:55:26 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:55:26 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Intermittent horn
References: <31506020.4094711211914922717.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <00a301c8c09a$27000b30$0200a8c0@Three>

Sounds like bad connections, so that when the voltage is lower when idling or
stopped there isn't enough power.

Your horns should have 2 terminals - one with purple wires (the fused 12v
supply) and the other with purple/black (the ground from the button).

Connect a voltmeter between ground and purple on the right-hand (facing
forwards) horn and you should see battery voltage.  Press the horn button and
the horns should sound and the voltage drop only slightly.  If it drops
several volts and the horns don't sound then there is a bad connection back
towards the fusebox, probably in the fusebox itself where the fuse to the
holder, the riveted connection between the holder and the spades on the back,
the wire connectors to the spades, and even inside the fuse itself can all
develop bad connections.

When you have a good 12v supply to the horns connect the meter between ground
and the purple/black.  This should also show 12v with the button released, but
should show zero volts with it pressed.  If this doesn't drop to zero there is
a bad connection back towards the horn button through the steering wheel
brush, steering wheel (several connections), the horn button, the steering
column inner, column outer, front cross-member to the body.

Even if it isn't a 'fixed' bad connection but an intermittent as has been
suggested it should be easy enough to track down if they don't work with the
engine switched off.

My V8 had a couple of these 'fixed' bad connections so much so that the PO had
fitted what looked like a scooter horn, which hardly sounded appropriate for a
V8.  Because the problems were inside the column (not uncommon on rubber
bumper cars it seems) and the after-market button I opted to add a relay,
which takes much less current than the horns and is unaffected by the bad
connections.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----
  ... And typically it
  seems like it works when the car is driving, but rarely when it's idling and
  never when the car isn't running.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed May 28 01:59:36 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:59:36 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] How to bleed master cylinder?
References: <483BFDB7.15068.D6C717@kger.plex.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c8c09a$2728a1d0$0200a8c0@Three>

With a dual-circuit system I don't see how you can bleed with the pedal unless
both circuits have an open bleed nipple, as the pressure from one circuit will
prevent the pedal from moving far enough to bleed the other properly.  Try
constant pressure bleeding like the EeziBleed, or opening both circuits, but
then you would probably need Speedbleeders for that.  having said that it
wasn't long ago that someone had a similar problem and it turned out to be
defects inside the master.  And if no fluid at all comes out of that port with
the pipe disconnected, then it does look like a problem inside the master.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----


  My '79 B (with boosted brakes and the brake pressure sensor) needs
  its rear brake circuit bled.  After not making any progress with it,
  I traced the problem back to the master cylinder.  When pumping the
  brake pedal no fluid comes out of that port on the master cylinder.

From bmcspares at aol.com  Wed May 28 06:56:39 2008
From: bmcspares at aol.com (British Motor Classics, Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:56:39 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FS MGB hard top rear glass
Message-ID: <8CA8ED9671E4991-BA0-36B8@webmail-nb19.sysops.aol.com>

I have for sale NOS rear glass for a factory MGB hard top. I am asking 
$340.00 OBO, plus shipping, insurance and what ever the UPS store 
charges me for packing.

Jon Nyhus
British Motor Classics, Ltd.
Glendale Arizona

BTW: I am going to put this up on Ebay this time next week if it hasnt 
sold by then.

From msjeffcock at eastlink.ca  Thu May 29 04:59:07 2008
From: msjeffcock at eastlink.ca (Malcolm Jeffcock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:59:07 -0300
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
Message-ID: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>

I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears!

I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions?

Thanks, Malcolm  

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu May 29 06:02:07 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:02:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>
Message-ID: <012a01c8c184$2bbd9df0$0200a8c0@Three>

Could be ignition, under acceleration and higher combustion chamber pressures
the plugs are harder to fire, so the HT voltage goes up higher on significant
acceleration compared to gradual acceleration, and the HT system could be
breaking down like leads, cap, rotor etc.  My daughters car had this and I
diagnosed it by clipping a timing light onto each coil lead and the plug lead
and sharply opening the throttle, which was enough to induce the misfire.  I
immediately saw that while the coil lead caused the light to flash exactly as
before, on the plug leads it became erratic and inconsistent with the misfire.
New cap and rotor solved the problem.  If the flashing gets erratic on the
coil lead as well then it could be the coil or ignition LT circuit.  Most
problems in the ignition LT cause the tach to flicker as well, but possibly
not the condenser.

It could also be carburation.  If you can accelerate smoothly all the way up
on a gradual throttle but get hesitation with a larger throttle opening, that
sounds to me like a flat or weak spot in the carburation.  If you get this
after changing things on the engine it could be you have the wrong profile
needle i.e. need a 'richer' needle at that position of the piston.  But if it
has suddenly started without you changing anything it could be a vacuum leak
or the carbs out of tune.  A vacuum leak would normally give you a higher idle
at a given idle screw setting, so if that is not the case you should be able
to ignore that.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
   I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I
have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my
trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if
is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and
only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then
accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM.

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu May 29 09:48:40 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
In-Reply-To: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>
Message-ID: <483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>

Malcolm Jeffcock wrote:
> I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears!
>
> I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions?
Those symptoms can be cause by high-voltage breakdown, which is loss of power because of losses in the low-voltage side of the ignition circuit or the coil. There's a point where the high-voltage is not enough to fire the plugs. Acceleration or climbing a hill can require more voltage than is available.

-The Roxter
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From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com  Thu May 29 10:11:48 2008
From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:48 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
In-Reply-To: <483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>
	<483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76664a460805290911se94df60w3c8bfe70949b7a49@mail.gmail.com>

wouldn't that lite the dash indicator?

On 5/29/08, The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com> wrote:
> Malcolm Jeffcock wrote:
>  > I have a 74B. It has a strong pulling high compression engine but lately I have experienced a quirky thing: I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM. Also if I am cruising along at 3500 with no hesitation and come to an incline the same symptom of power loss is experienced and right after it if I pull off and go from a stop I can shift up at high revs with no hesitation as I work through the gears!
>  >
>  > I am pondering the issue before taking action, have thought maybe condenser....any thoughts and suggestions?
>  Those symptoms can be cause by high-voltage breakdown, which is loss of power because of losses in the low-voltage side of the ignition circuit or the coil. There's a point where the high-voltage is not enough to fire the plugs. Acceleration or climbing a hill can require more voltage than is available.
>
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu May 29 11:41:29 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
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References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>	
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Message-ID: <483EEAC9.3050703@gmail.com>

Steve wrote:
> wouldn't that lite the dash indicator?
Not necessarily; at least that has been my experience.

-The Roxter
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From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu May 29 11:43:21 2008
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10805290945w1e60d9c9w39f32dce3d8ccb27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>	
	<483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>	
	<76664a460805290911se94df60w3c8bfe70949b7a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b984e10805290945w1e60d9c9w39f32dce3d8ccb27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483EEB39.80707@gmail.com>

Richard Ewald wrote:
> A problem such as this can be caused by several things.  Paul 
> mentioned misfire and high voltage break down.  This is a strong 
> possibility.  Your B probably needs about 10-12K volts to fire the 
> plug at idle.  Open the throttle and it might take up to 20K volts.  
> If your car's plug wires start firing to ground at 15K volts it will 
> run fine at idle, and low throttle openings.  A large throttle opening 
> will cause the engine to misfire and no acceleration.
> A low output from the coil could also cause this.  If there is not 
> enough voltage going into the coil due to poor connections this could 
> show up.  It could be a bad coil, but honestly, these are real rare.  
> Coils almost never go bad.
> These are just some of the reasons that back in the day tune up shops 
> had O-scopes in them.  About 30 seconds on a scope and I could nail 
> the problem.
> I very seriously doubt it is a vacuum leak.  As a percentage of total 
> air going into the engine a vacuum leak is greatest at idle.  A vacuum 
> leak having an effect at 3500 RPM would require a huge leak, and I 
> doubt the engine would idle.
> Stuck carb pistons could cause such an issue, but I would look at the 
> electrical stuff first.
Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump.

-The Roxter
--

From dave at camptownshakers.com  Thu May 29 12:12:31 2008
From: dave at camptownshakers.com (dave at camptownshakers.com)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1212084001.30452.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.11.1212084001.30452.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <16922.52.129.8.50.1212084751.squirrel@www.camptownshakers.com>

> From: The Roxter <rocknatural at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery
> Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump.

That's where I'd spend my time looking: fuel delivery.
Dave Culgan
'66 MGB

From macgroup at comcast.net  Thu May 29 15:12:59 2008
From: macgroup at comcast.net (Stuart MacMillan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:59 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Performance query
Message-ID: <46DCE506C6234954B187195E4B0E859A@StusLaptopPC>

Boy, I've had this happen over the years, and here is what I'd check,
easiest first:

 

Incorrect or carbon tracked distributor cap

Other bad ignition components (coil, points, wires etc., swap one at a time
from your spares collection.  You do have a spares collection, don't you?) 

Bad fuel pump (measure the flow) Timing too advanced.

Bad gas (this just happened here in Seattle at some Shell stations last
week: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/364645_gasupdate27.html )

Partially plugged fuel pick up in tank (from a disintegrated hose used by a
gas thief back during the last oil shortage)

 

And probably more.  

 

The worst one to find was the hose in the tank.  We could drive for miles,
and then all of a sudden the car would stumble, and then die.  Wait a few
minutes, and it would start and run fine for several miles.  Drove me nuts
for six months.  Finally pulled the tank because I'd replaced everything
else, and when we cut it open we found swollen globs of surgical tubing all
over the bottom of the tank.  With long trips, hese would eventually clog
the pick up screen.  After a few minutes rest, some would drop off and you
could run again until the next time.  Absolutely the worst intermittent
problem I've ever solved. 

 

 

Also, I finally replaced the coil (20 year old Lucas Hi Performance) after
another intermittent problem. When it heated up on long drives, the voltage
dropped and the car would stumble.  When you stopped, heat soak prevented
starting at all for about an hour.  I replaced everything else over about
two years, (Including a perfectly good Pertronix ignition, which I highly
recommend) before I was left with only the coil as the cause of the problem.
Duh.  I've never had one go bad in 40 years.  But it was a Lucas....

 

Stuart MacMillan

'65 MGB

 

  ----- Original Message -----

   I can, if I chose accelerate smoothly up to about 5K revs in every gear-I
have done it only after experiencing what I am about to describe as my
trouble. If I am on the highway with OD engaged cruising around 3500RPM's if
is start to accelerate I experience a loss of power, the car hesitates and
only when I take my foot off the gas and let the revs drop can I then
accelerate-but only to about3600 RPM.

_____________________________________________

From blair at ifd.mv.com  Thu May 29 17:26:44 2008
From: blair at ifd.mv.com (Blair J. Weiss)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition
References: <46DCE506C6234954B187195E4B0E859A@StusLaptopPC>
Message-ID: <009b01c8c1e3$75daa720$ca637dc7@Terrafirma>

Folks -
Well the $4.89 / gallon diesel is forcing me to commute in my B :) twist my 
arm...

Something I am noticing is, the car will not turn off all the time. I pull 
up to a parking spot, turn off the key and the car is still running. I know 
the difference between running and running on, from pre-detonation, that's 
not it. I seem to remember something about a valve that is supposed to shut 
down the motor with the iginition, that often fails... am I making this up?

A link would be helpful.

Thanks,
Blair

78B
53 TD 

From bobmgtd at comcast.net  Thu May 29 18:52:30 2008
From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:52:30 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91>
	<483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>
	<76664a460805290911se94df60w3c8bfe70949b7a49@mail.gmail.com><a3b984e10805290945w1e60d9c9w39f32dce3d8ccb27@mail.gmail.com>
	<483EEB39.80707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c8c1ef$70469ec0$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

I had a clogged fuel line to the front carb that acted some what like that. 
The symptom only appeared under high throttle demand (like going up a hill). 
Under high throttle, the partially blocked carb would run out of fuel. There 
was enough fuel getting past the clog for regular cruising. The way I found 
the problem was pushing the float pins down. The tick-tick sound of the fuel 
pump was much slower on the clogged carb.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Roxter" <rocknatural at gmail.com>
To: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Performace queery


> Richard Ewald wrote:
>> A problem such as this can be caused by several things.  Paul
>> mentioned misfire and high voltage break down.  This is a strong
>> possibility.  Your B probably needs about 10-12K volts to fire the
>> plug at idle.  Open the throttle and it might take up to 20K volts.
>> If your car's plug wires start firing to ground at 15K volts it will
>> run fine at idle, and low throttle openings.  A large throttle opening
>> will cause the engine to misfire and no acceleration.
>> A low output from the coil could also cause this.  If there is not
>> enough voltage going into the coil due to poor connections this could
>> show up.  It could be a bad coil, but honestly, these are real rare.
>> Coils almost never go bad.
>> These are just some of the reasons that back in the day tune up shops
>> had O-scopes in them.  About 30 seconds on a scope and I could nail
>> the problem.
>> I very seriously doubt it is a vacuum leak.  As a percentage of total
>> air going into the engine a vacuum leak is greatest at idle.  A vacuum
>> leak having an effect at 3500 RPM would require a huge leak, and I
>> doubt the engine would idle.
>> Stuck carb pistons could cause such an issue, but I would look at the
>> electrical stuff first.
> Another possibility would be a clogged fuel filter or weak fuel pump.
>
> -The Roxter
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From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Thu May 29 19:15:04 2008
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition
In-Reply-To: <009b01c8c1e3$75daa720$ca637dc7@Terrafirma>
References: <46DCE506C6234954B187195E4B0E859A@StusLaptopPC>
	<009b01c8c1e3$75daa720$ca637dc7@Terrafirma>
Message-ID: <20080530011447.D2198187653@autox.team.net>

At 07:26 PM 5/29/2008 -0400, Blair J. Weiss wrote:
>....
>.... turn off the key and the car is still running. I know .... 
>pre-detonation, that's not it. I seem to remember something about a 
>valve that is supposed to shut down the motor with the iginition, 
>that often fails... am I making this up?
>
>A link would be helpful.
>....

Try these links:
Continued running: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro102.htm
Anti-run-on valve: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro201.htm

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From blair at ifd.mv.com  Thu May 29 20:01:27 2008
From: blair at ifd.mv.com (Blair J. Weiss)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:01:27 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition
Message-ID: <00d801c8c1f9$12ef4fb0$ca637dc7@Terrafirma>

Thanks Barney! I knew I read it somewhere... 

Blair




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barney Gaylord" <barneymg at mgaguru.com>
To: "Blair J. Weiss" <blair at ifd.mv.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition


> At 07:26 PM 5/29/2008 -0400, Blair J. Weiss wrote:
>>....
>>.... turn off the key and the car is still running. I know .... 
>>pre-detonation, that's not it. I seem to remember something about a 
>>valve that is supposed to shut down the motor with the iginition, 
>>that often fails... am I making this up?
>>
>>A link would be helpful.
>>....
> 
> Try these links:
> Continued running: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro102.htm
> Anti-run-on valve: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/ro201.htm
> 
> Barney Gaylord
> 1958 MGA with an attitude
> http://MGAguru.com

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May 30 02:02:36 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:02:36 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Performace queery
References: <00b001c8c17b$048d33c0$9a01a8c0@D95Y3D91><483ED058.9030307@gmail.com>
	<76664a460805290911se94df60w3c8bfe70949b7a49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301c8c22e$3c769e30$0200a8c0@Three>

The only thing that will cause the ignition warning light to glow is when the
12v ignition supply from the ignition switch is lost when the forward momentum
of the car is still spinning the engine, and that will also cause the tach to
drop.  In the event of sudden loss of power looking at the tach is the first
diagnosis, at the warning light second.  A short-circuit condenser will affect
the tach but not the light.  An open-circuit condenser won't affect either.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----


  wouldn't that lite the dash indicator?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri May 30 02:54:14 2008
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:54:14 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] 78 B Running after the key is out of the ignition
References: <46DCE506C6234954B187195E4B0E859A@StusLaptopPC>
	<009b01c8c1e3$75daa720$ca637dc7@Terrafirma>
Message-ID: <010c01c8c234$8c5d1ea0$0200a8c0@Three>

North American MGBs with the ignition relay i.e. 77 and later rely on a
functioning anti-runon valve to shut down the engine by starving it of fuel as
a wiring design error results in voltage still being supplied to the ignition
system when the key has been turned off.  Any defects in the operation of the
valve or pretty-well anywhere in the emissions plumbing (blockages or leaks)
can cause this to happen.  UK cars don't suffer from it as they never had the
anti-runon system, the wiring error was discovered immediately and corrected,
but only on those cars.  The factory cure was to move the feed to the ignition
system from the output of the ignition relay (i.e. its contact) to its
winding, *and* move the feed to the ignition warning light from the relay
winding to its contact, i.e. swap the two wires over.  In theory either should
have done the trick, it's much easier to move the ignition feed wire as that
is only a matter of a couple of inches - once you have identified the wire.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----
  Something I am noticing is, the car will not turn off all the time. I pull
  up to a parking spot, turn off the key and the car is still running.

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri May 30 08:05:58 2008
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:05:58 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] CT MG Club, Sunday 1 June
Message-ID: <20080530.100558.3676.0.MGBOB@juno.com>

  British By The Sea XXI, CT MG Club's annual show, will be at Harkness
Memorial Park, Waterford, CT, this Sunday. It's a great place for a show,
in a large field that overlooks Fishers Island Sound and Long Island
Sound.  Easy to reach, near New London CT, just look up Harkness Memorial
Park on Google or Mapquest for driving directions.  Registration begins
at 10, but come earlier and enjoy the park.  Free entrance to the park
for exhibitors, $15 at show entrance. 33 classes, food vendor and LBC
vendors. A good time will be had by all.
Bob Howard
____________________________________________________________
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri May 30 12:03:13 2008
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement
Message-ID: <517648.72468.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for
9 months or so..... ;-)  I've located a good used engine from a '75 B
and am going to purchase it. My questions are -

1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber pieces, or the entire thing? 
   
2)
Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch
and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease
     the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, right? 
 Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 30 17:19:16 2008
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement
In-Reply-To: <517648.72468.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <931928.21738.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

its a good time to replace the clutch, throwout bearing, and pilot bearing.

Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase at yahoo.com> wrote:  Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for
9 months or so..... ;-) I've located a good used engine from a '75 B
and am going to purchase it. My questions are -

1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber pieces, or the entire thing? 

2)
Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch
and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease
the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, right? 
Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is.... 
NAMGBR #5-2328 

From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Sat May 31 09:09:57 2008
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:09:57 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement
References: <517648.72468.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <05D7D0E5A9B445C98D2CAB04058CCEEB@uw471de61b465c>

As you mention degreasing it is worth considering:
replace both engine and gearbox seals
check and perhaps replace the gearbox mounting rubber blocks. Oil detoriates 
the rubber and now you're there with easily access a check is worth 
everything.

Been there.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT with original 18GK engine in overhaul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
To: <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>; "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement


> Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for
> 9 months or so..... ;-)  I've located a good used engine from a '75 B
> and am going to purchase it. My questions are -
>
> 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber 
> pieces, or the entire thing?
>
> 2)
> Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch
> and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease
>     the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission, 
> right?
> Dan D
> Central NJ USA
> '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
> '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....
> NAMGBR #5-2328
> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
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From mvrose at charter.net  Sat May 31 12:20:34 2008
From: mvrose at charter.net (Valda and Merl Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement
References: <517648.72468.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<05D7D0E5A9B445C98D2CAB04058CCEEB@uw471de61b465c>
Message-ID: <000601c8c34b$0549df30$aa43ba44@Primary>

I agree.  Now is the time to change both the transmission and motor mounts. 
In addition, I would look at the replacement engine and change the timing 
cover, pan, and tappet covers gaskets also.  These gaskets are relatively 
cheap and easy to get at.


Merl Rosenthal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Duinhoven" <h.duinhoven at planet.nl>
To: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>; <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>; "MGList" 
<mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine Replacement


> As you mention degreasing it is worth considering:
> replace both engine and gearbox seals
> check and perhaps replace the gearbox mounting rubber blocks. Oil 
> detoriates
> the rubber and now you're there with easily access a check is worth
> everything.
>
> Been there.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
> 71 BGT with original 18GK engine in overhaul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan DiBiase" <d_dibiase at yahoo.com>
> To: <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>; "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:03 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] Engine Replacement
>
>
>> Ok, I am going to plan B with my engine work that has been going on for
>> 9 months or so..... ;-)  I've located a good used engine from a '75 B
>> and am going to purchase it. My questions are -
>>
>> 1) Engine mounts - what parts do I need to replace? Just the rubber
>> pieces, or the entire thing?
>>
>> 2)
>> Anything that needs to be replaced in terms of clutch parts? The clutch
>> and transmission were working fine. I plan to degrease
>>     the outside of the transmission. And engine oil in the transmission,
>> right?
>> Dan D
>> Central NJ USA
>> '76 MGB Tourer - Driver - Engine Surgery In Progress...
>> '65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, Still Is....
>> NAMGBR #5-2328
>> http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
>> http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/
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