From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Dec 1 10:44:31 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:44:31 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question In-Reply-To: <006601c9533e$8f0b25c0$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0F16B708@kb1.mossmotors.com> Voting for it being a single window Snugtop too. The three window tops were more common, but the single window was available. Andy. By any chance do you have the latch part number you ordered from Summit Racing. I too thought that there was an available latch that I saw in the Pegasus catalog and I want to check numbers. I get a lot of calls from people looking for hardware. thanks Kelvin > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Proudfoot > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:54 PM > To: Robert J. Guinness; eric.frenken at brits-n-pieces.com; MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] hardtop question > > Its definatly a SNUG TOP out of California. If anyone knows > where you can get hardware for it please let me know. My > brackets are missing. I bought some at Summit Racing a while > back that looked correct but alas they were not. Standard top > clamps do not fit............. > > Thanks > Andy Proudfoot 77B > Gander, NL From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Dec 1 14:55:36 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:55:36 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] [British-cars] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit In-Reply-To: <5306B121-E498-489E-83BC-56A4C3C8DF39@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0F22FAF8@kb1.mossmotors.com> Mike. Sorry for the delay in answering your question. I re read Al's original instructions and as you say it is a bit confusing. On one page he suggests installing the Speedi Sleeve per the directions included in the sleeve kit. On the next page he states as a P.S. that he found an easier way to install the sleeve backwards. Either installation will work. The critical thing is to get the Speedi Sleeve onto the crank flange without it hitting the alloy seal retainer. The crank seal conversion kit will work without the Speedi Sleeve if the crank flange surface is smooth. The Speedi Sleeve does give a better sealing surface and extends that surface slightly allowing the seal kit to be used on engines where the block face machining prevents the seal lip from riding correctly on the bare flange. Please contact me directly if you have any other questions regarding this kit. Kelvin Dodd Moss Motors, Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > From: british-cars-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:british-cars-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Duvall > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:14 PM > To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mgs mgs; mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com; > british-cars at autox.team.net > Subject: [British-cars] Moss Speedi-Sleeve and XPAG oil seal kit > > Has anyone successfully used the speedi-sleeve with the XPAG > oil seal kit? It wouldn't fit my engine. After I got mine > all back together, > it leaks a little and I want to know if it actually can work. The > directions for the speedy sleeve in the seal instructions > contradict the addendum which tells you to put the sleeve on > backwards. > > I had an engineer look it over and he had me grind off the > excess edge of the sleeve to get enough clearance to not hit > the Moss adapter. > > Moss is no help. Their tech support guy didn't even know > what the speedi-sleeve was and I had to send him the part > number so he knew what I was talking about. > > > If I had to do it again, I would keep my $250 pull the pan > and replace the cork rear gasket with some modern sealer. I > think that is where the oil was coming from anyway. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > British-cars at autox.team.net > > You are subscribed as doddk at mossmotors.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars From aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca Mon Dec 1 19:32:34 2008 From: aproudfoot at nf.sympatico.ca (Andrew Proudfoot) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:02:34 -0330 Subject: [Mgs] hardtop question References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0F16B708@kb1.mossmotors.com> Message-ID: <002e01c95426$3c21fa80$6501a8c0@ANDYHOME> I shall see what I can dig out Kelvin. My pleasure by the way, I can't believe I get to help YOU!!!! Thanks Andy P 77B Andy. By any chance do you have the latch part number you ordered from Summit Racing. I too thought that there was an available latch that I saw in the Pegasus catalog and I want to check numbers. I get a lot of calls from people looking for hardware. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 06:20:45 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday Message-ID: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I presently own. There are six of them in the scuderia. Okay, okay, the ponton isn't "drivable" but I did start it and warm it up last Sunday. Anyway, this test was the continuation of the 308GTB vs Mondial QV comparison that I did over the weekend. As STYX's "Too Much Time on my Hands" ended on the C300's sounds system I realized that I have now owned over sixty cars in my tender 57 years, ranging from a 1930 Chevrolet Deluxe to a 2008 Mercedes C300! That thought led be to consider which of the lot is my all-time favorite to drive. Here's the story and what I concluded. The most exciting car-related moment I recall was the day I picked up my 308GTB. As I left Phil Tegtmeyer's quiet, supportive company I thought to myself, "I'm driving Ferrari. Oh my God, I'm driving MY Ferrari!!!" I guess the second most exciting moment was when I got my first sports car at the age of eighteen. It was a Fiat 850 Spyder. Most beautiful car I had ever seen! Flash forward to today and I ask; Of all the cars I have owned, which one was the overall most enjoyable to drive? The answer surprised even me. It was my little bright red '89 BMW 325iS coupe'. The E30 cars feel like go-karts, light as a feather and the 2.5 litre "little six" is a great engine. Hook that to a 5-speed manual gearbox and you get my all-time favorite. Yea, I was surprised too. Wish I still owned it. Happy Tuesday, rick 2 x Ferrari 2 x Mercedes 1 x BMW 1 x Land Rover From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 07:07:39 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76664a460812020607x6d77bc30x46ad528a9b0e3b10@mail.gmail.com> I've got a '91 E30 AWD model... I'll trade ya. - Steve On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a test. > Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I presently own. > There are six of them in the scuderia. Okay, okay, the ponton isn't > "drivable" but I did start it and warm it up last Sunday. Anyway, this test > was the continuation of the 308GTB vs Mondial QV comparison that I did over > the weekend. > > As STYX's "Too Much Time on my Hands" ended on the C300's sounds system I > realized that I have now owned over sixty cars in my tender 57 years, > ranging from a 1930 Chevrolet Deluxe to a 2008 Mercedes C300! That thought > led be to consider which of the lot is my all-time favorite to drive. > Here's the story and what I concluded. > > The most exciting car-related moment I recall was the day I picked up my > 308GTB. As I left Phil Tegtmeyer's quiet, supportive company I thought to > myself, "I'm driving Ferrari. Oh my God, I'm driving MY Ferrari!!!" I > guess the second most exciting moment was when I got my first sports car at > the age of eighteen. It was a Fiat 850 Spyder. Most beautiful car I had > ever seen! > > Flash forward to today and I ask; Of all the cars I have owned, which one > was the overall most enjoyable to drive? The answer surprised even me. It > was my little bright red '89 BMW 325iS coupe'. The E30 cars feel like > go-karts, light as a feather and the 2.5 litre "little six" is a great > engine. Hook that to a 5-speed manual gearbox and you get my all-time > favorite. Yea, I was surprised too. Wish I still owned it. > > Happy Tuesday, > > rick > 2 x Ferrari > 2 x Mercedes > 1 x BMW > 1 x Land Rover > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From eric at erickson.on.net Tue Dec 2 07:24:59 2008 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:54:59 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <756FFB6B-F345-4122-AC8D-45A0BC770C6F@erickson.on.net> On 02/12/2008, at 11:50 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a > test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I > presently own. Same here. The 'B and the Falcon!! Enjoy your cars, Rick! Nice to see you driving them and not hiding them! Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia From frankk12 at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 07:31:39 2008 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (Frankk) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <756FFB6B-F345-4122-AC8D-45A0BC770C6F@erickson.on.net> Message-ID: <007001c9548a$b05d89f0$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Ditto in my 91 BRG Miata! Frank K 1991 Miata SE 1980 BLE !964 B 1958 A 2002 Triumph Bonneville 1997 Grand Cherokee V8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" To: "MGS" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday > On 02/12/2008, at 11:50 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > >> Hello Friends, >> >> As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a >> test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I >> presently own. > > Same here. > > The 'B and the Falcon!! > > Enjoy your cars, Rick! Nice to see you driving them and not hiding > them! > > > Eric > '68 MGB MkII > Adelaide, South Australia From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 07:35:11 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: <007001c9548a$b05d89f0$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <756FFB6B-F345-4122-AC8D-45A0BC770C6F@erickson.on.net> <007001c9548a$b05d89f0$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Message-ID: <76664a460812020635u461a2d96icab7c65a49533ece@mail.gmail.com> +1 on the Miata. I had a '97 M Edition and loved it. Very good handling, very good looks, very easy to work in, LARGE aftermarket On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Frankk wrote: > Ditto in my 91 BRG Miata! > > Frank K > 1991 Miata SE > 1980 BLE > !964 B > 1958 A > 2002 Triumph Bonneville > 1997 Grand Cherokee V8 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" > To: "MGS" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday > > > On 02/12/2008, at 11:50 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: >> >> Hello Friends, >>> >>> As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a test. >>> Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I presently own. >>> >> >> Same here. >> >> The 'B and the Falcon!! >> >> Enjoy your cars, Rick! Nice to see you driving them and not hiding them! >> >> >> Eric >> '68 MGB MkII >> Adelaide, South Australia >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From frankk12 at verizon.net Tue Dec 2 08:06:22 2008 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (Frankk) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:06:22 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <756FFB6B-F345-4122-AC8D-45A0BC770C6F@erickson.on.net> <007001c9548a$b05d89f0$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> <76664a460812020635u461a2d96icab7c65a49533ece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b801c9548f$89ee1d70$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Steve: It's everything I wish my B was! AC, CD player, cruise control, leather, power windows, hard top, 5 speed, 36 mpg, all standard equipment and all work all the time! No electrical gremlins. Daily driver for years now and just as easy to work on as my Bs. Best of all it's BRG, the 1st Special Edition Miata ever manufactured. But somehow it lacks the character of my Bs or A! Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: Frankk Cc: MG List ; Eric Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday +1 on the Miata. I had a '97 M Edition and loved it. Very good handling, very good looks, very easy to work in, LARGE aftermarket On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Frankk wrote: Ditto in my 91 BRG Miata! Frank K 1991 Miata SE 1980 BLE !964 B 1958 A 2002 Triumph Bonneville 1997 Grand Cherokee V8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" To: "MGS" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday On 02/12/2008, at 11:50 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: Hello Friends, As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I presently own. Same here. The 'B and the Falcon!! Enjoy your cars, Rick! Nice to see you driving them and not hiding them! Eric '68 MGB MkII Adelaide, South Australia From WSpohn4 at aol.com Tue Dec 2 08:31:30 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:31:30 EST Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven Message-ID: You are really talking about two different classes of car though, a smaller nimble but lower powered sports car vs. a grand touring car. Both have their uses. I don't really have out and out favourites. For grand touring, it would probably be a choice between the Jensen CV-8 with massive brute strength and some degree of sophistication, in 60s British style, and the Lamborghini Islero, which does pretty much the same job but with high revving refinement rather than torque. The Interceptor functions as the CV-8, but with a bit more refinement and a bit less performance. For sports, my first love will always be the MGA, with a mix of road balance and good looks unmatched by later models. The MGC fits in between and would do double duty as a sports car or relaxed high speed touring car. If you want to posit a third category, I have a soft spot for my old Jaguar Mk 9 in the large barge category. Bill S. In a message dated 02/12/2008 7:06:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, frankk12 at verizon.net writes: Steve: It's everything I wish my B was! AC, CD player, cruise control, leather, power windows, hard top, 5 speed, 36 mpg, all standard equipment and all work all the time! No electrical gremlins. Daily driver for years now and just as easy to work on as my Bs. Best of all it's BRG, the 1st Special Edition Miata ever manufactured. But somehow it lacks the character of my Bs or A! From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 10:02:41 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:02:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <658930.90613.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'd have to say that high on the list of my fun-to-drive cars was my 1982 Dodge Colt. With a 1.4l engine and the famous 'Twin Stick' transmission (4 speed with a second lever that was for 'Power' or 'Economy' gearing, effectively making it an 8-speed), it was very peppy, got fantastic gas mileage and handled great with plus-sized tires. Looked great, too, in silver and red. Clean styling, great visibility, and unencumbered by things like AC, power windows or power door locks! First new car I ever bought. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Rick Lindsay To: ferrari ; IPOG ; MGS Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 8:20:45 AM Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday Hello Friends, As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I finished a test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I presently own. There are six of them in the scuderia. Okay, okay, the ponton isn't "drivable" but I did start it and warm it up last Sunday. Anyway, this test was the continuation of the 308GTB vs Mondial QV comparison that I did over the weekend. As STYX's "Too Much Time on my Hands" ended on the C300's sounds system I realized that I have now owned over sixty cars in my tender 57 years, ranging from a 1930 Chevrolet Deluxe to a 2008 Mercedes C300! That thought led be to consider which of the lot is my all-time favorite to drive. Here's the story and what I concluded. The most exciting car-related moment I recall was the day I picked up my 308GTB. As I left Phil Tegtmeyer's quiet, supportive company I thought to myself, "I'm driving Ferrari. Oh my God, I'm driving MY Ferrari!!!" I guess the second most exciting moment was when I got my first sports car at the age of eighteen. It was a Fiat 850 Spyder. Most beautiful car I had ever seen! Flash forward to today and I ask; Of all the cars I have owned, which one was the overall most enjoyable to drive? The answer surprised even me. It was my little bright red '89 BMW 325iS coupe'. The E30 cars feel like go-karts, light as a feather and the 2.5 litre "little six" is a great engine. Hook that to a 5-speed manual gearbox and you get my all-time favorite. Yea, I was surprised too. Wish I still owned it. Happy Tuesday, rick 2 x Ferrari 2 x Mercedes 1 x BMW 1 x Land Rover You are subscribed as d_dibiase at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 11:05:50 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:05:50 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: <00b801c9548f$89ee1d70$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Message-ID: Hmm, I don't wish that my B had power windows. And the statement about "just as easy to work on" is surely an exaggeration. Just as easy to change the oil, maybe. Have you ever taken the head off a Miata? Having done both, I would guess the time differential to be about 8 hours in favor of the B. I'm not saying the Miata is not a fun car to drive, but simplicity is not one of its strong points, when compared to an LBC. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/2/08 7:06 AM, Frankk at frankk12 at verizon.net wrote: > Steve: It's everything I wish my B was! AC, CD player, cruise control, > leather, power windows, hard top, 5 speed, 36 mpg, all standard equipment > and all work all the time! No electrical gremlins. Daily driver for years now > and just as easy to work on as my Bs. Best of all it's BRG, the 1st Special > Edition Miata ever manufactured. But somehow it lacks the character of my Bs > or A! > Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve > To: Frankk > Cc: MG List ; Eric > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday > > > +1 on the Miata. I had a '97 M Edition and loved it. Very good handling, > very good looks, very easy to work in, LARGE aftermarket From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:34:58 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:34:58 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: References: <00b801c9548f$89ee1d70$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Message-ID: <76664a460812021034s7c7d58f1x7aca794c20131893@mail.gmail.com> I don't think it gets simpler than an early B. - Steve On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Hmm, I don't wish that my B had power windows. And the statement about > "just > as easy to work on" is surely an exaggeration. Just as easy to change the > oil, maybe. Have you ever taken the head off a Miata? Having done both, I > would guess the time differential to be about 8 hours in favor of the B. > > I'm not saying the Miata is not a fun car to drive, but simplicity is not > one of its strong points, when compared to an LBC. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Mountain View, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 12/2/08 7:06 AM, Frankk at frankk12 at verizon.net wrote: > > > Steve: It's everything I wish my B was! AC, CD player, cruise control, > > leather, power windows, hard top, 5 speed, 36 mpg, all standard > equipment > > and all work all the time! No electrical gremlins. Daily driver for years > now > > and just as easy to work on as my Bs. Best of all it's BRG, the 1st > Special > > Edition Miata ever manufactured. But somehow it lacks the character of > my Bs > > or A! > > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve > > To: Frankk > > Cc: MG List ; Eric > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on > Tuesday > > > > > > +1 on the Miata. I had a '97 M Edition and loved it. Very good > handling, > > very good looks, very easy to work in, LARGE aftermarket > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From pete_groh at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 12:13:43 2008 From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:13:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car Message-ID: <463704.37776.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here in my area, MD the car guys consider this car a Chick car. No add'l comment when one of my Sister son's shows up with boy friend. From stargazer1 at cox.net Tue Dec 2 13:34:44 2008 From: stargazer1 at cox.net (stargazer1 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:34:44 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <463704.37776.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> The Miata also made last year's list of "gay" cars. I get a fair amount of ribbing when I drive ours to work. Unfortunately, for my gay friends, I'm a flaming heterosexual with three kids. :-) And, yes, they are great little cars. I like to think that they're the worthy successors to our MGBs. Cheers, Dave Ambrose ---- Pete Groh wrote: > Here in my area, MD the car guys consider this car a Chick car. No add'l comment when one of my Sister son's shows up with boy friend. From rolindsay at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 13:41:20 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:41:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> Message-ID: <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and always will be one! Even thought the Miata will always be a modern MG to me, it really is styled after the Lotus. rick --- stargazer1 at cox.net wrote: > And, yes, they are great little cars. I like to think that > they're the worthy successors to our MGBs. From arundell at ghs.com.au Tue Dec 2 14:48:53 2008 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:48:53 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday In-Reply-To: <00b801c9548f$89ee1d70$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> References: <859336.28932.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <756FFB6B-F345-4122-AC8D-45A0BC770C6F@erickson.on.net> <007001c9548a$b05d89f0$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> <76664a460812020635u461a2d96icab7c65a49533ece@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c9548f$89ee1d70$5242040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU> Message-ID: <46C59228-4D23-4496-B78F-7188607D53BD@ghs.com.au> Sorry Guys but Miata/MX-5 who needs them? Luckily for us who remained in the Commonwealth we have, or had the MG-F. Everything a Mazda is plus its mid engined and will run rings around the Mazda in the handling and performance stakes. A/C, leather, ABS etc, etc oh and the best bit of all, an MG Badge...... Bought mine new in 98 and have used it for touring and love it.... Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia 49 MG-TC 65 MGB-V8 (Historic Racer) 98 MG-F v.v.c 04 BMW RT1200 (only 2 wheels) 06 Peugeot 407 sv (Whife's Wheels) 08 Mercedes ML480 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Wells MGF 001.jpg] On 03/12/2008, at 1:06 AM, Frankk wrote: > Steve: It's everything I wish my B was! AC, CD player, cruise control, > leather, power windows, hard top, 5 speed, 36 mpg, all standard > equipment > and all work all the time! No electrical gremlins. Daily driver for > years now > and just as easy to work on as my Bs. Best of all it's BRG, the 1st > Special > Edition Miata ever manufactured. But somehow it lacks the character > of my Bs > or A! > Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve > To: Frankk > Cc: MG List ; Eric > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on > Tuesday > > > +1 on the Miata. I had a '97 M Edition and loved it. Very good > handling, > very good looks, very easy to work in, LARGE aftermarket > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Frankk wrote: > > Ditto in my 91 BRG Miata! > > Frank K > 1991 Miata SE > 1980 BLE > !964 B > 1958 A > 2002 Triumph Bonneville > 1997 Grand Cherokee V8 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" > To: "MGS" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on > Tuesday > > > > On 02/12/2008, at 11:50 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > As I drove in to work today in my '08 Mercedes C300, I > finished a > test. Over the past couple of days I have driven every car that I > presently > own. > > > > Same here. > > The 'B and the Falcon!! > > Enjoy your cars, Rick! Nice to see you driving them and not > hiding > them! > > > Eric > '68 MGB MkII > Adelaide, South Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as arundell at ghs.com.au > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 15:42:39 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76664a460812021442y6f3d9575x7a8176ff1a7a984d@mail.gmail.com> I'll take any of you for a ride in any miata and scare that "chick car" comment out of you. So far its the best handling car I've had. You'll have to watch the MX-5 Cup or any of the Spec Miata series. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" > moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and always will > be one! > > Even thought the Miata will always be a modern MG to me, it really is > styled after the Lotus. > > rick > > > --- stargazer1 at cox.net wrote: > > > And, yes, they are great little cars. I like to think that > > they're the worthy successors to our MGBs. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From WSpohn4 at aol.com Tue Dec 2 15:51:40 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:51:40 EST Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car Message-ID: Yes, they are quite good. The chassis isn't rigid enough, but that's quibbling. I'd suggest that they aren't the natural successor to the MGB, they are much better than that. They are the successor to the Lotus Elan. Bill In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:43:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, temporarilyoffline at gmail.com writes: I'll take any of you for a ride in any miata and scare that "chick car" comment out of you. So far its the best handling car I've had. From lundgren at byu.net Tue Dec 2 16:01:42 2008 From: lundgren at byu.net (Andrew B. Lundgren) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:01:42 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <76664a460812021442y6f3d9575x7a8176ff1a7a984d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <76664a460812021442y6f3d9575x7a8176ff1a7a984d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4935BE56.7080508@byu.net> Maybe, I am also a former Miata owner ('94 1.8l). You will never scare it out of the public's mind. Yes they handle very well, but they are still a cute little chick car. They aren't powerful unless you modify them. The S2000 isn't a chick car because it is meaner looking and has more power. -- Andrew Steve wrote: > I'll take any of you for a ride in any miata and scare that "chick car" > comment out of you. So far its the best handling car I've had. > > You'll have to watch the MX-5 Cup or any of the Spec Miata series. From batangelias at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 19:48:53 2008 From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:48:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <4935BE56.7080508@byu.net> Message-ID: <608075.84243.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It might help to have a visual reference. http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/Batangelias/MGB%20Miata/ Martin ' 65 MGB --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: From: Andrew B. Lundgren Subject: Re: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car To: "Steve" Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AM Maybe, I am also a former Miata owner ('94 1.8l). You will never scare it out of the public's mind. Yes they handle very well, but they are still a cute little chick car. They aren't powerful unless you modify them. The S2000 isn't a chick car because it is meaner looking and has more power. -- Andrew Steve wrote: > I'll take any of you for a ride in any miata and scare that "chick car" > comment out of you. So far its the best handling car I've had. > > You'll have to watch the MX-5 Cup or any of the Spec Miata series. You are subscribed as batangelias at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From vlw66 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 22:00:52 2008 From: vlw66 at sbcglobal.net (J Foster) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:00:52 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> Ah yes, the Mustang II ... A chick car no matter how hard they tried http://www.carlustblog.com/2007/09/ford-mustang-ii.html -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lindsay Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:41 PM The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and always will be one! From d_dibiase at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 11:24:27 2008 From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Fisher Jones Message-ID: <183170.3165.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I saw on another forum that Fisher passed away yesterday morning. My thoughts go out to his wife, Elizabeth, who had posted here several months ago, and the rest of the Jones family. Dan D Central NJ USA '76 MGB Tourer '65 MGB Tourer (Project) NAMGBR #5-2328 http://dans65b.blogspot.com/ http://dans76b.blogspot.com/ http://dansautoblog.blogspot.com/ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html http://dans-life-blog.blogspot.com/ From arundell at ghs.com.au Wed Dec 3 16:38:08 2008 From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:38:08 +1000 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> Message-ID: <7C4C268B-96A3-48C5-9066-084C3ABB157F@ghs.com.au> What were they smoking? Murray Arundell On 03/12/2008, at 3:00 PM, J Foster wrote: > Ah yes, the Mustang II ... A chick car no matter how hard they tried > > http://www.carlustblog.com/2007/09/ford-mustang-ii.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lindsay > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:41 PM > > The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" > moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and > always will > be one! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as arundell at ghs.com.au > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 17:24:39 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:24:39 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <7C4C268B-96A3-48C5-9066-084C3ABB157F@ghs.com.au> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> <7C4C268B-96A3-48C5-9066-084C3ABB157F@ghs.com.au> Message-ID: <76664a460812031624p5ccee9afkcbcbbfd6385ac63c@mail.gmail.com> somebody bought enough of them to make it worth making... And MIICII? really? On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > What were they smoking? > > Murray Arundell > > On 03/12/2008, at 3:00 PM, J Foster wrote: > > Ah yes, the Mustang II ... A chick car no matter how hard they tried >> >> http://www.carlustblog.com/2007/09/ford-mustang-ii.html >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rick Lindsay >> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:41 PM >> >> The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" >> moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and always will >> be one! >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as arundell at ghs.com.au >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From Wilkmanracing at aol.com Wed Dec 3 19:55:56 2008 From: Wilkmanracing at aol.com (Wilkmanracing at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:55:56 EST Subject: [Mgs] Miata Chick Car Moniker Just Plain Stupid Message-ID: The idea that a Miata is a "chick car" is just plain stupid. It points to the power of the Internet to perpetuate pure dribble. The moniker was the result of an idiotic Internet survey and the totally bogus results have circulated ever since. The fact of the matter is the Miata is the best sports car for the money, period. And if the best handling, best overall performing, most popular road racing car ever is a chick car, then all I can say is SMART CHICKS! Type MX5 Miata in the YouTube search box and you'll see that 90% of the videos are of these cars being road raced. If you've got real cajones you won't let a bunch of knuckle dragging overcompensating males decide what you're going to buy as a sports car. I owned a 1990 Miata for 18 years and then bought a 2008 Miata. I also own a 1960 MGA which my daughter and her friends say looks really cute. Is my MGA also a "chick car"? Frankly I don't care. I love it just as much, but for different reasons as I love my Miata. I don't need to hang a plastic set of balls from the tow hitch of my pickup truck to prove I'm a "real" man. Wanna have some fun. Take a look at these videos of Miatas in action: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_EfFsAPxI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_EfFsAPxI) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOfmgky0vf8_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOfmgky0vf8) Take one out for a test drive. You will be amazed at what a truly balanced sports car the Miata is. Bill Wilkman **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 22:14:32 2008 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:14:32 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Miata Chick Car Moniker Just Plain Stupid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49376738.2060402@sbcglobal.net> Bill, I know I will get a lot of flack for this one: Yes, the MGA was considered a "chick" car. When I was in high school and college in the '60s, the only MGAs I knew of were owned and driven by girls. In perspective though, I had a TR3B back then and ran around with other TR and Healey owners - plus one guy with a Porsche Speedster. The first guy I knew that had an MG had an early MGB. Charles Hill Wilkmanracing at aol.com wrote: > <> I also own a 1960 MGA which my daughter and her friends > say looks really cute. Is my MGA also a "chick car"? > <> > > Bill Wilkman From WSpohn4 at aol.com Wed Dec 3 23:05:22 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:05:22 EST Subject: [Mgs] Miata Chick Car Moniker Just Plain Stupid Message-ID: Interesting. That wasn't the case around here (Canada). I've owned an MGA since 1970 and all of the people that I know that owned them back then were men. I also owned TR-3s and there was no difference in ownership with them. Must have been a regional thing. Many more Spitfires and Midgets were owned by women. Bill In a message dated 03/12/2008 9:15:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chillmog at sbcglobal.net writes: Yes, the MGA was considered a "chick" car. When I was in high school and college in the '60s, the only MGAs I knew of were owned and driven by girls. In perspective though, I had a TR3B back then and ran around with other TR and Healey owners - plus one guy with a Porsche Speedster. The first guy I knew that had an MG had an early MGB. From smarc at smarc.net Thu Dec 4 12:13:51 2008 From: smarc at smarc.net (Marc) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:13:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - Chick Car - best car In-Reply-To: <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> References: <20081202153444.PNHDS.418319.imail@fed1rmwml35> <511029.94675.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5FEF39F9EDE2465892609417CD29134C@escort> Message-ID: <49382BEF.2070606@smarc.net> Don't a lot of folks put Mustang II front ends in their customs? Why is that? Only worthwhile part of the car? I had a girlfriend in the 80's who had a mustang II - she hated it. I have an 03' MX-5. It's a fantastic car that evokes feelings of driving my MGB's, except that the miata doesn't need a tool kit in the boot. It's also more suitable as a daily driver, and has air bags. The handling abilities of the MX-5 far exceed my abilities to utilize them. It's not without it's idiosyncrasies, but then that's part of it's character I guess... I don't buy the 'chick car' thing - it's a sharp looking car that gets a lot of looks driving down the street. And the guys (and gals) in the local miata club have an awful lot of passion for these little roadsters, which has made them receptive to checking out brit car shows. J Foster wrote: > Ah yes, the Mustang II ... A chick car no matter how hard they tried > > http://www.carlustblog.com/2007/09/ford-mustang-ii.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lindsay > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:41 PM > > The MX5 or Miata is a great car. It doesn't deserve the "chick car" > moniker. On the other hand, the Mustang II is a chick car and always will > be one! > -- Marc From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 12:29:35 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:29:35 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Miata - [M2 front end] In-Reply-To: <49382BEF.2070606@smarc.net> Message-ID: I believe the reasons are: simple, cheap, and compact, leaving plenty of room for headers and oversized engines. Certainly not for outstanding handling performance. But it's probably an upgrade over a straight axle front end. on 12/4/08 11:13 AM, Marc at smarc at smarc.net wrote: > Don't a lot of folks put Mustang II front ends in their customs? Why is > that? Only worthwhile part of the car? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From Wilkmanracing at aol.com Thu Dec 4 15:22:26 2008 From: Wilkmanracing at aol.com (Wilkmanracing at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:22:26 EST Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net Message-ID: Charles Hill _chillmog at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:chillmog at sbcglobal.net) wrote: <<<<<<<<<<< the demise of Fisher Jones & services. Folks, 1 of the Spridgeteers that lives close to Elizabeth & Fisher Jones (and has been friends for years) has conveyed the following and asked me to let you know. I spoke with E today, and the Memorial Service for Fisher will be Saturday the 20th, at 2 pm, at their home in Comfort, Texas. I will be calling E. and will find out if there is a Charity she might wish donations to go to and will let you know. I now am asking for a Lister (or 2 -3 ??) to Forward this TO: MJB direct and ask him to publish above on the other List(s?) that Elizabeth was on (Fisher did NOT 'do' computers). I think she was on ShopOwners and may have been on 1 or 2 other Lists. Mark, FWIW the subscription 'might' be as fisher at hctc.net ?!?!? If you will let me know I will sub to those List(s) and then relay info as I get it. Fisher WILL be missed not only as a 'wrench' & a racer, but as a GREAT gent. Ed PS: Texas Charlie, if you can add to what I have please either tell List or me direct. From mtcruse at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 19:51:44 2008 From: mtcruse at yahoo.com (M Cruse) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:51:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Obituary for Fisher Jones Message-ID: <246435.4460.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >From the San Antonio Express-News: Mr. Albert Fisher Jones Jr. of Comfort passed away on Tuesday, December 2nd at his residence at the age of 70 years. Fisher Jones is survived by his wife: Elizabeth Newton Jones of Comfort, Three Daughters, Two Sons and spouses: Rebecca J. Reed of San Antonio, Victoria A. Craig of Dallas, Laura Michelle Schwass of Texas, James Lynn Jones of San Antonio, Richard A. Jones of New Braunfels, Mother: Mary Jones of Comfort, Three Grandchildren: Devin Fisher Jones of Comfort, Alan Fisher Craig of Dallas. As per Fisher's request his remains were cremated and there will be a private Memorial Service and interment of his cremains at a later date. Funeral arrangements under the direction of the Schaetter Funeral Home, Comfort. Expressions of sympathy may be sent at www.schaetter.com Schaetter Funeral Home Comfort, TX From shaws at mlcltd.com Thu Dec 4 21:05:50 2008 From: shaws at mlcltd.com (Bob Shaw) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:05:50 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never heard the term "Chick car" until the '90s. I did her the term secretary's car in the '60s, but I never heart it applied to any MG. When I go auto crossing the S2000 and Miatas are cars to beat. When I started working on my MGA the idea was to make it competitive with the Miatas. The S2000 has too much engine to catch up. The A generally is among the fastest British cars of pre'75 vintage, with the exception of a few modified Jensen Healeys, and generally runs pretty well with the Miatas, but not the Speed Miatas (durned turbos). But every woman I ever heard talk about the A loved it. My buddy Leo says that is because when looking at it from the top it has the same shape they do. Come to think of it, he may be right. But they have the same reaction to Cobras. I'm not real sure what, if anything, that means. Bob Shaw shaws at mlcltd.com My MGA is not leaking, It is merely marking its territory On Dec 4, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Wilkmanracing at aol.com wrote: > Charles Hill _chillmog at sbcglobal.net_ > (mailto:chillmog at sbcglobal.net) wrote: > > > > <<<<<<<<<<< > I know I will get a lot of flack for this one: > > Yes, the MGA was considered a "chick" car. When I was in high school > and college in the '60s, the only MGAs I knew of were owned and > driven > by girls. In perspective though, I had a TR3B back then and ran > around > with other TR and Healey owners - plus one guy with a Porsche > Speedster. The first guy I knew that had an MG had an early MGB. > > Charles Hill<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > That's interesting, because I've been a sports car enthusiast all > my life > and I never heard the term "chick car" until the 1990s. Anyway, > that's not the > point. The point is it's stupid to let a few Neanderthals dictate > what car > you're going to drive. I can't believe some people pass up the > opportunity to > own the best all-around sports car for the money because of the tag > some > yahoos place on it. > > For an interesting test of the 2008 MX5 Miata take a look at this > YouTube: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz667IYwGGA_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz667IYwGGA) > > Bill Wilkman > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- > dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as shaws at mlcltd.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 4 21:22:08 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:22:08 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> FAST and 'best when' loose, Bob ??? Anon !!!! From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 07:41:59 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76664a460812050641n431d2a8frb713d2c8ab707b57@mail.gmail.com> Those cars have "hips"... take a ride in a porsche cayman... look in the side view mirror... pretty car. - Steve On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > < anything, that means.>> > > FAST and 'best when' loose, Bob ??? > > > > Anon !!!! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Fri Dec 5 09:01:58 2008 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:01:58 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net References: <76664a460812050641n431d2a8frb713d2c8ab707b57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Agree! My boss drives a 911 Carrera something, but the looks of a Cayman are much nicer. Seems to handle better cause of the mid engine. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: "Ed's Shop" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] mgs at autox.team.net > Those cars have "hips"... take a ride in a porsche cayman... look in the > side view mirror... pretty car. > > - Steve > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > >> <> anything, that means.>> >> >> FAST and 'best when' loose, Bob ??? >> >> >> >> Anon !!!! From barrie at look.ca Fri Dec 5 09:21:33 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] mgs@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <76664a460812050641n431d2a8frb713d2c8ab707b57@mail.gmail.co m> References: <76664a460812050641n431d2a8frb713d2c8ab707b57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Having read the incessant chatter about "chick" cars I have to pontificate Why in the hell does anyone care what other people think of a car? If you think a car is "chick" and I think it is "cool" - I WIN ! WHY? - because my opinion is right and your's is wrong!! So stop worrying about how others see a car and get on with driving - Mind you if you have tattoos and body piercings then no matter what car you drive....the car is a "chick" car !! At 09:41 AM 12/5/2008, Steve wrote: >Those cars have "hips"... take a ride in a porsche cayman... look in the >side view mirror... pretty car. > >- Steve > >On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > > > < > anything, that means.>> > > > > FAST and 'best when' loose, Bob ??? > > > > > > > > Anon !!!! > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > > > http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca > > >Mgs at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > >http://www.team.net/archive Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 5 12:37:06 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:37:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Mustang II Chick magnet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36FADD66-4612-45E2-8CC1-0E07CE0F62AD@sbcglobal.net> I had a Mustang II in college and it was a chick magnet car! From mgbob at juno.com Fri Dec 5 13:45:13 2008 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Final Steps approaching Message-ID: <20081205.160525.3832.5.MGBOB@juno.com> Steve, The chrome, aluminum and stainless trim pieces that are exclusive to GTs... Bob On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:28 -0500 Steve writes: > I have very little of a 1967 MGB GT left and before it gets hauled > off, is > there anything I should grab from the car? To give you an idea of > whats > left, this is the recent progress: > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2006737&l=6ee9f&id=1352274902 > > At this point I think the only thing left are uni-body panels. I'm > getting > the VIN plates and the battery area today and I think thats it. > > - Steve > ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIi4NU3IzSBgIGACMHOVhmehQesuLOX5FXk4ee96VL3TX/ From LAF48 at aol.com Sat Dec 6 16:16:34 2008 From: LAF48 at aol.com (LAF48 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:16:34 EST Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 Message-ID: Steve, or any one else, I am looking for a complete sway bar assy. for a MGB. Len Abingdon Performance XPAG-XPEG Roller Lifter Camshaft Kits ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 18:47:27 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76664a460812061747p55f2572dn6fb99616bbfa5f29@mail.gmail.com> I still have one. I'm located in MD. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:16 PM, wrote: > Steve, or any one else, I am looking for a complete sway bar assy. for a > MGB. > Len > Abingdon Performance XPAG-XPEG > Roller Lifter Camshaft Kits > > > ************** > Make your life easier with all your > friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > ( > http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From frankk12 at verizon.net Sat Dec 6 19:55:52 2008 From: frankk12 at verizon.net (frankk12 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:55:52 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 References: Message-ID: <369BE69A6FF44653A119E8FC777698C1@frankdcczr6l6k> Len: I have one as well. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 > Steve, or any one else, I am looking for a complete sway bar assy. for a > MGB. > Len > Abingdon Performance XPAG-XPEG > Roller Lifter Camshaft Kits From batangelias at yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 20:33:35 2008 From: batangelias at yahoo.com (Martin C. Galan) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:33:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Triumphs to MGs In-Reply-To: <369BE69A6FF44653A119E8FC777698C1@frankdcczr6l6k> Message-ID: <718311.49134.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All, One of our founding members was feature in the EZINE .... Car Chat Club. He is a true blue enthusiast and fine gentleman. He started out with a Triumph TR4 but he presently keeps a 1948 MG TC and a 1959 MGA in his garage. http://tiny.cc/rBexE Cheers, Martin '65 MGB Manila Sports Car Club From ccrobins at ktc.com Sun Dec 7 22:06:16 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:06:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Mustang II Chick magnet In-Reply-To: <36FADD66-4612-45E2-8CC1-0E07CE0F62AD@sbcglobal.net> References: <36FADD66-4612-45E2-8CC1-0E07CE0F62AD@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <493CAB48.4040803@ktc.com> I had a '62 Chevy 409 Hardtop that was a chick magnet too - drive-in movie barge - but it wasn't how it handed. (G) CR Mike Duvall wrote: > I had a Mustang II in college and it was a chick magnet car! > _______________________________________________ From thgun at comporium.net Mon Dec 8 07:58:27 2008 From: thgun at comporium.net (thgun at comporium.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:58:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mgs] oil/temp guage Message-ID: <20081208095827.CNR12036@ms1.comporium.net> I hav a 1957 MGA ,1500. I need to replace the temp guage. I found that I can get it rebuilt for about $25 mor than a new one. I have owned the car sence !998. I do not know if the old guage is the cars original. Should I replace it or rebuild it? Thanks, Tom Gunderson 57 MGA, 1500 rst From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Dec 8 08:14:40 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:14:40 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] oil/temp guage References: <20081208095827.CNR12036@ms1.comporium.net> Message-ID: If you knew the gauge (sic) *was* original then it might be worth spending the extra to keep it so. But if it comes back with shiny chrome and a new face and needle it's probably going to look quite a bit different to the others, and if not knowing whether it is original or not there doesn't seem much point in paying extra. Just my 2 penn'orth. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I hav a 1957 MGA ,1500. I need to replace the temp guage. I found that I can get it rebuilt for about $25 mor than a new one. I have owned the car sence !998. I do not know if the old guage is the cars original. Should I replace it or rebuild it? From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 20:27:57 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps References: Message-ID: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> hi, all. great weather here in Dallas; took the 73 roadster out for one last spin. the od tranny is really about to leave me stranded, so i'm going to swap it with a non-od unit. if i remember correctly, after dismantling the drive shaft and tranny support, i should jack up the back, take the wheels of the front and drop it low. is that right? From mgb72 at airmail.net Mon Dec 8 20:58:48 2008 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:58:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps In-Reply-To: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <000301c959b2$71201af0$536050d0$@net> If I am not mistaken I don't think that will get you enough room. It ends up being easier to just pull the whole thing, rather than fight it. It is really hard to stab the main shaft into the clutch and get everything lined up when dealing with all the weight of the tranny being in the wrong places. Just my 2 pennies... Coop'72 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:28 PM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] tranny Swaps hi, all. great weather here in Dallas; took the 73 roadster out for one last spin. the od tranny is really about to leave me stranded, so i'm going to swap it with a non-od unit. if i remember correctly, after dismantling the drive shaft and tranny support, i should jack up the back, take the wheels of the front and drop it low. is that right? ______________________________________________ From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 8 21:45:45 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps References: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> <000301c959b2$71201af0$536050d0$@net> Message-ID: <001901c959b9$073363c0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> clarification: i'm talking about pulling the engine and tranny together. sorry. not doing clutch or anything else - this was all done recently when we put the od unit in, which i was told was good. they lied. From ccrobins at ktc.com Tue Dec 9 00:21:05 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:21:05 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps In-Reply-To: <001901c959b9$073363c0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> <000301c959b2$71201af0$536050d0$@net> <001901c959b9$073363c0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <493E1C61.2070707@ktc.com> What's wrong with your OD tranny? CR Oliver wrote: > clarification: i'm talking about pulling the engine and tranny together. > sorry. not doing clutch or anything else - this was all done recently > when we put the od unit in, which i was told was good. they lied. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ccrobins at ktc.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Dec 9 02:09:56 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:09:56 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps References: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: I've never heard of removing the wheels and dropping the front right down, but you will need to raise the rear, possibly remove the stick, if the car isn't high enough to begin with. A lift with a tilt helps. But as you are going to split them anyway and depending on what type of hoist you have it might be easier to remove and replace the engine and gearbox separately. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- if i remember correctly, after dismantling the drive shaft and tranny support, i should jack up the back, take the wheels of the front and drop it low. is that right? From mgbob at juno.com Tue Dec 9 06:46:32 2008 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps Message-ID: <20081209.084633.2432.0.MGBOB@juno.com> Oliver, What is the OD's misbehavior? If simple problems, they may be fixable with the gearbox in your car. Bob On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:45:45 -0600 "Oliver" writes: > clarification: i'm talking about pulling the engine and tranny > together. > sorry. not doing clutch or anything else - this was all done > recently when > we put the od unit in, which i was told was good. they lied. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as mgbob at juno.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2P5sJEhOymlHFcDLLnmWzJdKG5X1z08Dbmt8I7sm1vT3ISx/ From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 9 10:58:14 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:58:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps In-Reply-To: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: Hmm, when I had a similar situation, I pulled the engine and tranny together, out the top. I have never raised the rear when doing so, though I have been informed that it adds clearance. I usually have the front jacked up so I can crawl underneath and detach things. Anyway, same deal, installed an OD tranny and the OD didn't work. Pulled it, had a shop go through the unit and reinstalled it, still no joy. Traded it in on a rebuilt OD unit, installed that, finally worked. Basically pulled and replaced the engine and tranny 3 times in 4 weeks. Got it down to a one-day solo job. Cost more money than intended, but I really have appreciated the OD over the years, so I encourage you to stick with it and diagnose the problem. Somewhere in there I think I demonstrated that it was theoretically possible to remove the OD unit by itself from under the car, but in order to do so you had to have the engine suspended from a hoist with the motor and tranny mounts undone anyway, so it didn't really save any hassle, and created its own problems with access. on 12/8/08 7:27 PM, Oliver at sumton at sbcglobal.net wrote: > hi, all. great weather here in Dallas; took the 73 roadster out for one > last spin. > > the od tranny is really about to leave me stranded, so i'm going to swap it > with a non-od unit. > > if i remember correctly, after dismantling the drive shaft and tranny > support, i should jack up the back, take the wheels of the front and drop it > low. is that right? -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires From mgb72 at airmail.net Tue Dec 9 16:57:00 2008 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:57:00 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps In-Reply-To: <001901c959b9$073363c0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <000401c959ae$22c8b410$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> <000301c959b2$71201af0$536050d0$@net> <001901c959b9$073363c0$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <006301c95a59$d3fc0d30$7bf42790$@net> I would leave the front or even raise it, you need the whole assembly to move forward enough to clear the permanent crossmember then you angle the engine up and tranny down about 45 degrees to get it to clear. A leveler on your cherry picker makes all the difference.. 20 bucks at harbor freight. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oliver Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:46 PM To: Mgs at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Mgs] tranny Swaps clarification: i'm talking about pulling the engine and tranny together. sorry. not doing clutch or anything else - this was all done recently when we put the od unit in, which i was told was good. they lied. From difejo at frontiernet.net Tue Dec 9 20:52:49 2008 From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B4B006D98AD4A2F89B4FC38A879A379@GATEWAY> Oliver, Detach the hood (bonnet) support and tie a rope around the hood latch to hold the hood open. Remove the radiator and radiator support panel. Remove the shift lever. Jack up the front of the car and detach the tranny cross-member from the frame. Detach the cross member from the transmission. Pull the motor and transmission out and forward as one unit. As the transmission tail shaft clears the floor, lower the front of the car while lifting the motor & transmission unit to clear the bonnet latch panel. John From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 10 06:05:20 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:05:20 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] tranny Swaps References: <6B4B006D98AD4A2F89B4FC38A879A379@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Depending on what you are doing, if you have an oil cooler it can make sense to lift the radiator and oil cooler out as one. But if you have the underslung cooler it is easier to leave the surround in and just remove the radiator rather than fight with the oil connections on the cooler as well as the engine. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... Remove the radiator and radiator support panel.... From h.duinhoven at planet.nl Wed Dec 10 11:50:42 2008 From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:50:42 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic - need paint # Oldsmobile Message-ID: <2907A6A8A1014BCA819565F4C8408506@uw471de61b465c> Dear list, Our son Dave has had an Oldsmobile Omega form 1979. Now he still longs to this car as it was a square shaped US built car, the shpae he likes. So he now is restoring a classic moped, which he likes to have that painted in the color of the Olds. So we're looking for the paint number, in order to order the correct paint. Can you help please? The color is a kind of metallic - gold. On requested I can send a detailed pic. Thanks in advance. Cheers Hans Duinhoven 71 BGT - much prefered! From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 10 12:04:33 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04:33 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Off topic - need paint # Oldsmobile In-Reply-To: <2907A6A8A1014BCA819565F4C8408506@uw471de61b465c> Message-ID: Try this site: http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/ There are 8 pages of chips for 1979 GM. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires [Ugh, the Omega, what a hideous object...] on 12/10/08 10:50 AM, Hans Duinhoven at h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote: > Dear list, > > Our son Dave has had an Oldsmobile Omega form 1979. > Now he still longs to this car as it was a square shaped US built car, the > shpae he likes. > So he now is restoring a classic moped, which he likes to have that painted > in the color of the Olds. > So we're looking for the paint number, in order to order the correct paint. > Can you help please? > > The color is a kind of metallic - gold. > On requested I can send a detailed pic. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers > > Hans Duinhoven > > 71 BGT - much prefered! From difejo at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 10 12:21:27 2008 From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:21:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Paint codes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BF1EA461C94F4881EA313356955D0D@GATEWAY> Hans, This web site has that paint code information. Just enter vehicle year, make and model. http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/ John Dear list, Our son Dave has had an Oldsmobile Omega form 1979. Now he still longs to this car as it was a square shaped US built car, the shpae he likes. So he now is restoring a classic moped, which he likes to have that painted in the color of the Olds. So we're looking for the paint number, in order to order the correct paint. Can you help please? The color is a kind of metallic - gold. On requested I can send a detailed pic. Thanks in advance. Cheers Hans Duinhoven 71 BGT - much prefered! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs End of Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 *********************************** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1841 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 9:30 AM From glenfel at sympatico.ca Wed Dec 10 20:44:15 2008 From: glenfel at sympatico.ca (Glenfel) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:44:15 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [Mgs] Test Message-ID: test [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of snowman.gif] From david_breneman at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 21:59:45 2008 From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:59:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23747.59364.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Glenfel wrote: > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg > which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which > had a name of snowman.gif] Like any mailing list worth its salt, this one removes attachments. That is as it should be. If you have an image to share, put it on a web site and post the URL. From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 11 10:44:45 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:44:45 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGs@autox.team.net - HELP !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One of you good folk have Rick Ingram's Phone(s) Number(s) ?? VERY important and I need ASAP please !! Send direct PLEASE and NOT thru/to List!! Ed From Meemeb at aol.com Thu Dec 11 14:20:51 2008 From: Meemeb at aol.com (Meemeb at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:20:51 EST Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Gauge Message-ID: Can anyone tell me which cars a fuel gauge with the reference numbers BF2223/00 belongs to? Bought it on EBay for my Healey and it isn't for a BJ8. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Dec 12 01:57:01 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:57:01 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fuel Gauge References: Message-ID: <6041D1BE3F094AD7B24D5DDE296B72BE@Three> Did you try Google? I got 14 results, it seems to be for an Oct 67 to Jun 69 MGB, but it is probably the same for other BL products of the era. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Can anyone tell me which cars a fuel gauge with the reference numbers BF2223/00 belongs to? From barrie at look.ca Fri Dec 12 09:32:24 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Long shot Message-ID: I am afraid this is a very long shot! Is any one on the list currently resident in Hong Kong? Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Dec 13 04:25:03 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:25:03 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fuel gauge Message-ID: <692C18E20B3D494AA89BBD678C14C72B@Three> Anyone got an early (1967) American padded dash car? Or an early Californian unleaded car with chrome bezels and 'Unleaded Fuel Only' markings on the fuel gauge? I'd like to know what the reference numbers for the fuel gauges are. This is usually printed on the rear part of the face that carries the E to F markings, tucked up behind the front part of the face towards the right-hand side, and can be read by squinting up from below. The numbers are usually of the form 'BF' followed by four digits, a forward slash, and a further two digits. Thanks, PaulH. From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 13 17:50:14 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:50:14 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Not completely Healey..but worth watching Message-ID: >From a long time Canadian eMail friend who is ONLY on the Big Healey Autox List. I have NOT had time to view Parts 2 & 3 but this Part # 1 is, whilst being VERY 'sad', is great (and more than worth your time) !!!!! *************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Michael S_____ Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:07 PM To: healeys at autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Not completely Healey..but worth watching Ever wondered what happened to the British Motor Industry.. Maybe a lesson in here for Detroit. http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWH0EfMDfc&feature=related Michael S_____ 100 (1953) #174 AHX12 (1953) Bugeye (1961) ************************************************************* FYI, FWIW, HTH & YMMV (and don't shoot the messenger!!). Ed From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com Mon Dec 15 13:40:17 2008 From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:40:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 binding front brakes Message-ID: <7DABAC7C-3412-4AFC-B164-44A93736D52B@tampabay.rr.com> Good Folks, Came in from a very short run and went to push the car into my garage. Thought I had the handbrake on as the car wouldn't budge. It has been sitting up on the lift for about a month. Jacked up the front and the 2 wheels were locked! Today attempted to back off the MC pushrod to make sure the piston clears the small hole in MC to allow the pressure to be relieved. Still not sure I got it. What else to check? Using silicone fluid. Might be time to replace the front hoses although seems odd both wheels locked simultaneously? TIA, Dave Houser From WSpohn4 at aol.com Mon Dec 15 13:54:48 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:54:48 EST Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 binding front brakes Message-ID: Sounds more like silicon swollen seals not letting the piston return. Bill In a message dated 12/15/2008 12:52:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com writes: Today attempted to back off the MC pushrod to make sure the piston clears the small hole in MC to allow the pressure to be relieved. Still not sure I got it. What else to check? Using silicone fluid. Might be time to replace the front hoses although seems odd both wheels locked simultaneously? From shop at justbrits.com Mon Dec 15 14:55:28 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:55:28 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 binding front brakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> AGREED, Bill !! BTDT Dave, GT/LMA IS your friend !!!! Ed From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 15 19:09:54 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (Oliver) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:54 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] look what figures prominently in this video Message-ID: <001b01c95f23$b84ae560$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJmmxL67-g From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 18:28:41 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:28:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] look what figures prominently in this video In-Reply-To: <001b01c95f23$b84ae560$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> References: <001b01c95f23$b84ae560$6415a8c0@Ranteer.local> Message-ID: <76664a460812161728n2eac8894p8e79da0232750c09@mail.gmail.com> A Chevelle? A BlackBerry? A loser who will never get his girl back? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Oliver wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJmmxL67-g > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From shop at justbrits.com Tue Dec 16 20:45:09 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:45:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] look what figures prominently in this video In-Reply-To: <76664a460812161728n2eac8894p8e79da0232750c09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <> Nope, Steve. <> Nope. <> "Closer"!!! It's a '66 Cadillac Coupe (2 dr HT) Deville !!! ANYBODY 'should' be able to pick it out !!! Geesh. LMAO, so tnx!! Ed From UnclStevie at aol.com Tue Dec 16 23:16:44 2008 From: UnclStevie at aol.com (UnclStevie at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:16:44 EST Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 16 Message-ID: Hey Dave Houser Silicone is your friend. Don't be fooled by cheap DOT 3 or 4 GT LMA imitations. Your seals probably are swollen. The fix is really easy. Add additional cork or other gasket material between the push rod assembly cover plate and the main body of the master cylinder. This will give the piston the extra room to clear the fluid return hole in the master cylinder. You may have to experiment with number of gaskets to obtain enough clearance. BTW, you can make your own gaskets easily using the cover plate as a template. This method has held up for over 6 years now on my A coupe. Since we have the same car, should work really well on yours as well. Ta! Stephen Edelstein UnclStevie at aol.com In a message dated 12/16/2008 2:02:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mgs-request at autox.team.net writes: Re: Contents of Mgs digest **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) From UnclStevie at aol.com Wed Dec 17 15:14:43 2008 From: UnclStevie at aol.com (UnclStevie at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:14:43 EST Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 17 Message-ID: Re: look what figures prominently in this video. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJmmxL67-g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJmmxL67-g) IMHO- 1. Need for eye surgery for a wandering left eye 2. Need for some lyrics 3. Need for a MkII grill Stephen Edelstein UnclStevie at aol.com In a message dated 12/17/2008 2:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mgs-request at autox.team.net writes: mgs at autox.team.net **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) From temporarilyoffline at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 15:16:32 2008 From: temporarilyoffline at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:16:32 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Fuel gauge In-Reply-To: <692C18E20B3D494AA89BBD678C14C72B@Three> References: <692C18E20B3D494AA89BBD678C14C72B@Three> Message-ID: <76664a460812171416k204b97b6ka785e6f5f5a83c0d@mail.gmail.com> I didn't see anybody reply to you... I have a '67 Steel Dash GT that has "BF 2300 / 02" on it (for sale) I have a '71 Padded Dash GT that has no markings on the gauge. - Steve On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Anyone got an early (1967) American padded dash car? Or an early > Californian > unleaded car with chrome bezels and 'Unleaded Fuel Only' markings on the > fuel > gauge? > > I'd like to know what the reference numbers for the fuel gauges are. This > is > usually printed on the rear part of the face that carries the E to F > markings, > tucked up behind the front part of the face towards the right-hand side, > and > can be read by squinting up from below. The numbers are usually of the > form > 'BF' followed by four digits, a forward slash, and a further two digits. > > Thanks, > PaulH. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as temporarilyoffline at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Dec 18 02:05:20 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:05:20 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fuel gauge References: <692C18E20B3D494AA89BBD678C14C72B@Three> <76664a460812171416k204b97b6ka785e6f5f5a83c0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that, Steve. The one with the reference number is correct for your year, curious the later one doesn't have a number. Paul. ----- Original Message ----- I have a '67 Steel Dash GT that has "BF 2300 / 02" on it (for sale) I have a '71 Padded Dash GT that has no markings on the gauge. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Dec 19 09:52:23 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:52:23 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Engine reinstall Message-ID: <1B61D41BA99D41B3906C710B2ACDBA2A@Three> Anyone had problems with the crank pulley fouling the rack? The gearbox is jacked up as far as it will go, but the front of the engine won't go down far enough to get the gearbox shaft fully in. The gap between the top of the bell-housing the engine backplate is smaller than the gap at the bottom, i.e the front of the engine needs to go down, or the gearbox to go up, but neither will move any further. This is a chrome bumper, and a car where someone else removed the engine. I've done a late rubber bumper, where I had the rack out anyway to get at the engine mount nuts, so no problem with that. It's as if the rack needs to be pulled forward, or the back of the gearbox tilted down i.e. slacken the rear crossmember bolts, but none of the three sets of instructions I have say anything about either of those. Thanks, PaulH. From difejo at frontiernet.net Fri Dec 19 12:34:29 2008 From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, I encountered this problem years ago. As I recall, there were at least two different size diameter crank pulleys. I was installing a later engine into my chrome bumper 1973 and encountered the same problem. I had to change to the smaller diameter pulley to clear the steering rack. I hope this helps you. I may still have both sizes of crank pulleys. If you need dimensions I can take a look through my parts bin. John DiFede 1973 MGB Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 12:58:14 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:58:14 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Engine reinstall In-Reply-To: <1B61D41BA99D41B3906C710B2ACDBA2A@Three> Message-ID: This is why I have always installed the engine and gearbox together -- mating them in situ is too fiddly, with no room to maneuver. Together, the pulley is able to clear the rack (barely) since the gearbox is not constrained by the crossmember -- you can push the whole assembly further back, with more tilt. I think you will need to drop the crossmember in order to tilt the gearbox adequately. Of course, then you will have to deal with the resulting instability. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/19/08 8:52 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Anyone had problems with the crank pulley fouling the rack? The gearbox is > jacked up as far as it will go, but the front of the engine won't go down far > enough to get the gearbox shaft fully in. The gap between the top of the > bell-housing the engine backplate is smaller than the gap at the bottom, i.e > the front of the engine needs to go down, or the gearbox to go up, but neither > will move any further. This is a chrome bumper, and a car where someone else > removed the engine. > > I've done a late rubber bumper, where I had the rack out anyway to get at the > engine mount nuts, so no problem with that. It's as if the rack needs to be > pulled forward, or the back of the gearbox tilted down i.e. slacken the rear > crossmember bolts, but none of the three sets of instructions I have say > anything about either of those. > > Thanks, > PaulH. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 19 21:23:58 2008 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump Message-ID: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. do i have to remove the radiator? thanks. From ericemarkley at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 19 21:28:51 2008 From: ericemarkley at bellsouth.net (Eric Markley) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump In-Reply-To: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Oliver, I would say yes. The room between the fan and the rad is very tight. Better to remove the rad than to risk damage to it. Plus, you know that you will shred knuckles on the the rad if you try to leave it in place. Eric 74 B -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:24 PM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump i'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. do i have to remove the radiator? thanks. You are subscribed as ericemarkley at bellsouth.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM From montejane at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 23:09:09 2008 From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump In-Reply-To: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oliver, I did when I replaced it in my 79B. I don't know if I had too, but it looked like it would make it a lot easier. The pump replacement itself takes only about 30 minutes. Good luck, Monte On 12/19/08, oliver wrote: > i'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. do i have > to remove the radiator? > > thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as montejane at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com Fri Dec 19 23:14:50 2008 From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:14:50 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump In-Reply-To: References: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03E0DB6C-24E4-4183-94CA-7DF24324B4F5@trebelhorn.com> In my '70, I've replaced the water pump with the radiator in place. It's a very tight fit, but you can do it. Matt On 20 Dec, 2008, at 1:09 AM, Monte/Jane Morris wrote: > Oliver, > I did when I replaced it in my 79B. I don't know if I had too, but it > looked like it would make it a lot easier. The pump replacement itself > takes only about 30 minutes. > Good luck, > Monte > > On 12/19/08, oliver wrote: >> i'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. >> do i have >> to remove the radiator? >> >> thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> You are subscribed as montejane at gmail.com >> >> >> Mgs at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as matt.lists at trebelhorn.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From rolindsay at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 06:08:55 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (rolindsay at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump Message-ID: Consider it opportunity to back flush your rad, inspect your hoses and replace weak clamps. Comes out easily and goes in easily. Rick ------Original Message------ From: Monte/Jane Morris Sender: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net To: sumton at sbcglobal.net Cc: mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Dec 20, 2008 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump Oliver, I did when I replaced it in my 79B. I don't know if I had too, but it looked like it would make it a lot easier. The pump replacement itself takes only about 30 minutes. Good luck, Monte On 12/19/08, oliver wrote: > i'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. do i have > to remove the radiator? > > thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as montejane at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Dec 20 07:54:00 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:54:00 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall References: Message-ID: <906443A68B5F4349A3326D892EA261B0@Three> Hi John - thanks for the offer but we are going to try dropping/moving back the rear cross-member first. I did think about the pulley, but apart from the problems of undoing the nut with the engine out I doubt we could refit it with the engine in, without pulling the rack forwards! If I had to do that I'd rather do it first and leave the pulley alone. Cheers, PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I encountered this problem years ago. As I recall, there were at least two different size diameter crank pulleys. I was installing a later engine into my chrome bumper 1973 and encountered the same problem. I had to change to the smaller diameter pulley to clear the steering rack. I hope this helps you. I may still have both sizes of crank pulleys. If you need dimensions I can take a look through my parts bin. From barrie at look.ca Sat Dec 20 08:39:41 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Test only Message-ID: This is a test - I do not seem to be getting any mail Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 09:00:27 2008 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: <906443A68B5F4349A3326D892EA261B0@Three> References: <906443A68B5F4349A3326D892EA261B0@Three> Message-ID: Over the years I have done this job a bunch of times on both my own and customer's cars. All I can think of is if the input shaft of the trans in not in the hole in the clutch plate the engine will stick too far forward. How big a gap are we talking about here between the engine and trans? 1/2" or 3"? On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hi John - thanks for the offer but we are going to try dropping/moving back > the rear cross-member first. I did think about the pulley, but apart from > the > problems of undoing the nut with the engine out I doubt we could refit it > with > the engine in, without pulling the rack forwards! If I had to do that I'd > rather do it first and leave the pulley alone. > > Cheers, > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I encountered this problem years ago. As I recall, there were at least > two > different size diameter crank pulleys. I was installing a later engine > into > my chrome bumper 1973 and encountered the same problem. I had to change to > the smaller diameter pulley to clear the steering rack. I hope this helps > you. > > I may still have both sizes of crank pulleys. If you need dimensions I > can > take a look through my parts bin. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Dec 20 09:04:15 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:04:15 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Test only References: Message-ID: <1F8F0A7CB60341F4B98D0915B74D502C@Three> Takes someone to send some to receive some :o) Merry Christmas, PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barrie Robinson To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net ; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [Mgb-v8] Test only This is a test - I do not seem to be getting any mail Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list You are subscribed as paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mgb-v8 at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Dec 20 09:19:39 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:19:39 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall References: <906443A68B5F4349A3326D892EA261B0@Three> Message-ID: <864523A36E0144C386AC026C1AD6D3AE@Three> You are correct that the gearbox shaft is not going fully into the clutch driven plate and the pilot bearing. This is because there is an angle between the two when they should be in line. But to get them in line I either need to raise the front of the gearbox, or lower the front of the engine. However the gearbox is hard up against the tunnel, and the crank pulley is resting on the rack. Result? Impasse. I don't have the exact figures to hand as I have been communicating by Messenger with the person doing the install and didn't keep the message, but there is a gap of about 1" between the top of the bell-housing and the engine backplate, whereas at the bottom it is about 1 1/2". To engage you need the same gap all the way round of course. The splines are just starting to engage, the installer is pretty sure that as they were rolling the car back and fore (it is on its wheels) with 4th gear engaged the crank pulley was rotating. But obviously until the shaft and driven plate are at the same angle it won't go any further. So we are going to try and lessen the 'out of line-ness' (hopefully to zero) by dropping the crossmember and/or moving it back. Thanks, PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Ewald To: Paul Hunt Cc: John DiFede ; mgs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] engine reinstall Over the years I have done this job a bunch of times on both my own and customer's cars. All I can think of is if the input shaft of the trans in not in the hole in the clutch plate the engine will stick too far forward. How big a gap are we talking about here between the engine and trans? 1/2" or 3"? On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Paul Hunt wrote: Hi John - thanks for the offer but we are going to try dropping/moving back the rear cross-member first. I did think about the pulley, but apart from the problems of undoing the nut with the engine out I doubt we could refit it with the engine in, without pulling the rack forwards! If I had to do that I'd rather do it first and leave the pulley alone. Cheers, PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I encountered this problem years ago. As I recall, there were at least two different size diameter crank pulleys. I was installing a later engine into my chrome bumper 1973 and encountered the same problem. I had to change to the smaller diameter pulley to clear the steering rack. I hope this helps you. I may still have both sizes of crank pulleys. If you need dimensions I can take a look through my parts bin. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as richard.ewald at gmail.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From difejo at frontiernet.net Sat Dec 20 11:16:21 2008 From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18028525AA11436998C35A9711CA315C@GATEWAY> Paul, I agree with Max. I didn't realize that you were installing the engine with the transmission already in place. I tried to install my engine this way thinking I would save time. I spent the better part of a day trying to get the trans to mate with the engine. In frustration I finally pulled the trans, mated it to the engine, and installed it all as one piece. Later on I had the problem with the crank pulley, but that's another story... John DiFede 1973 MGB From difejo at frontiernet.net Sat Dec 20 11:32:31 2008 From: difejo at frontiernet.net (John DiFede) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:32:31 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] 73 Water pump replacement Message-ID: Oliver, I would remove the radiator. If you choose not to remove it, place a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator to protect it and your knuckles. Years ago when I did this job on my first car (a Buick), a wrench slipped and punctured the radiator. I also have a 1973 and years ago I purchased a replacement water pump with an aluminum housing. On my car the water pump housing has an appendage that the alternator attaches to. Very shortly after replacement the appendage snapped and I lost this mounting point for the alternator. I ended up have to do the job again using a steel water pump. My recommendation, if you car is set up like mine, make sure the housing of the replacement is steel. John From shop at justbrits.com Sat Dec 20 12:53:44 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:53:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Paul, I'm with Rick here. Only I'm sure I've done well over 200 outs/in. I made the mistake ONCE in thinking 'just pull the motor alone and put it back with tranny in place'!!! Once was MORE than enough! This applies to Spridgets and even Big Healeys. Best to tell him to bite the bullit & yank motor then get the tranny out and mate up. Besides, most likely needs u-joints !!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com (Joke Section is BACK !!) From thgun at comporium.net Sat Dec 20 14:21:00 2008 From: thgun at comporium.net (Tom Gunderson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:21:00 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] HEAD BOLTS Message-ID: I am changing the head on my 1500 series engine. I am tring to remove the head bolts. All but 2 have come out easy. I do not want to strip up the bolts. What is the best way to remove them? Also do I need to flatten or shave the lower block? The replacement head was reworked by a machine shop. Thanks, Tom Gunderson 1957,1500 MGA rst From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Dec 20 18:28:02 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:28:02 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494D9BA2.1070008@ktc.com> What Ed said. When the rear support & driveshaft are removed, the installer will probably find that there are lots of parts that need renewing. Er, what about the front mounts? CR From ccrobins at ktc.com Sat Dec 20 18:31:23 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:31:23 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] 73 mgb water pump In-Reply-To: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <680971.81447.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494D9C6B.8050404@ktc.com> Take it out. Makes swapping the pumps easy and gives you a chance to examine the hoses & flush the radiator. CR oliver wrote: I'm about ready to swap out a leaky water pump. 73 mgb roadster. do i have > to remove the radiator? > > thanks. From richard.ewald at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 22:17:00 2008 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:17:00 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just goes to show that Ed is brighter than I am. I probably did a 50/50 split on which way I pulled them. Got to where I could put a B motor on the floor in under an hour. Spitfires were faster, Sprigets were slower. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ed's Shop wrote: > < customer's cars.>> > > Paul, I'm with Rick here. Only I'm sure I've done well over 200 outs/in. > I made the mistake ONCE in thinking 'just pull the motor alone and put it > back with tranny in place'!!! Once was MORE than enough! This applies > to Spridgets and even Big Healeys. > > Best to tell him to bite the bullit & yank motor then get the tranny out > and mate up. > > Besides, most likely needs u-joints !!! > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > (Joke Section is BACK !!) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as richard.ewald at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Dec 21 08:19:53 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:19:53 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] 73 Water pump replacement References: Message-ID: BT, DT. I bought a Marina brand-new and on getting it home got the bonnet up to have a look at my new purchase. Probably no surprise to find the bottom hose leaking where it fitted to the radiator. Out came my big screwdriver to tighten it up, but of course being a slotted Jubilee clip it slipped and punctured the rad! So I drained it, scratched a bit of black paint off from round the hole, got my big soldering iron out and soldered it back up. Lasted the six and a half years I had the car, but my heart was in my mouth when running it up to temperature the first time. I'd also recommend a board to protect the rad, as much from bending over the fins on the tubes which blocks the through-flow of air as much as anything. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Years ago when I did this job on my first car (a Buick), a wrench slipped and punctured the radiator. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Dec 21 08:42:11 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:42:11 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] HEAD BOLTS References: Message-ID: <45348FA34BD14C8B94672B1606B374A3@Three> Nuts, bolts or studs? You are more likely to shear than strip when removing, stripping usually happens when tightening with worn threads. If you are having trouble undoing nuts on studs then heat might help, also possibly with studs once the head is off. But if it is bolts in order to get the head off then you really have no choice but to get a big enough bar on them until they undo or snap. In the latter case it is then a matter of drilling and retapping. If you are changing the head because of repeated head gasket failure then you do need to check the block for flatness, and treat accordingly. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I am changing the head on my 1500 series engine. I am tring to remove the head bolts. All but 2 have come out easy. I do not want to strip up the bolts. What is the best way to remove them? From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Dec 21 09:27:38 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:27:38 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] 73 Water pump replacement Message-ID: <5AB4DC3C2072433D866DAFF3723D5028@Three> BT, DT. I bought a Marina brand-new and on getting it home got the bonnet up to have a look at my new purchase. Probably no surprise to find the bottom hose leaking where it fitted to the radiator. Out came my big screwdriver to tighten it up, but of course being a slotted Jubilee clip it slipped and punctured the rad! So I drained it, scratched a bit of black paint off from round the hole, got my big soldering iron out and soldered it back up. Lasted the six and a half years I had the car, but my heart was in my mouth when running it up to temperature the first time. I'd also recommend a board to protect the rad, as much from bending over the fins on the tubes which blocks the through-flow of air as much as anything. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Years ago when I did this job on my first car (a Buick), a wrench slipped and punctured the radiator. From ccrobins at ktc.com Sun Dec 21 10:55:55 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:55:55 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494E832B.9060704@ktc.com> I remember a guy years ago who managed to pull a non-OD MGB tranny out from underneath. Said he did it this way because he had no hoist. He even put a step-by-step w/pictures up on a website. I remember looking at the pics and thinking "Damn, I'd rather rent a cherry picker than go through that!" (G) Merry Christmas to All!! CR From shop at justbrits.com Sun Dec 21 12:48:06 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:48:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] engine reinstall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Nah Rick, I musta STILL been at an age where I 'learned' QUICKLY!! You musta been past it!!! <> Split?? <> Nah, BUT I have only done a couple and now I will NOT even entertain working on one 'cause they are just too much of a PITA (and can't 'turn' one as QUICK as most other LBCs) !!! 'Course there IS a List Member (er,Owner) who can beat either of us, I would bet !!!! <> Hour out (together) and about 1.5 going back in (da*ned top tranny bolts)!! Me Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com ("Joke Section" IS back!!) From rocknatural at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 13:09:19 2008 From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:09:19 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] HEAD BOLTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494EA26F.7050405@gmail.com> Tom Gunderson wrote: > I am changing the head on my 1500 series engine. I am tring to remove the head > bolts. All but 2 have come out easy. I do not want to strip up the bolts. What > is the best way to remove them? Also do I need to flatten or shave the lower > block? The replacement head was reworked by a machine shop. There's an alternative to just beefing on the bar until the fastener breaks. I tap on the end of the bolt or stud to help break it loose. First I double nut a stud with the top nut even with the end of the stud so the threads don't get malformed. I have a torque wrench built into my arm from so many years of working on cars. I turn the fastener slightly clockwise (tightening), then the other way, never applying so much force that it's weakened. I do this, back and forth for a long time. Usually, it eventually begins to move. I still don't just apply the beef, but continue to work it back and forth until it begins to turn more freely. If it starts to seize up, I go back to the back and forth movement. If this works, I recommend using a new fastener with coppergrease when re-assembling. If it doesn't, then it's time for the easy-out or drill and tap. -The Roxter -- From mg.carma at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 12:08:19 2008 From: mg.carma at verizon.net (mg.carma) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem Message-ID: Well folks, I recently took a 1600 block apart and I THINK I have found out why the engine was not moving as freely as I wished. Please advise if you think that I can remedy this problem with the solution pictured. Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone! http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1600%20motor/?action=view¤t=DSCN2525.jpg Cheers Kevin From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 12:38:41 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:38:41 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm, I was going to suggest bubble gum... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/24/08 11:08 AM, mg.carma at mg.carma at verizon.net wrote: > Well folks, > I recently took a 1600 block apart and I THINK I have found out why > the engine was not moving as freely as I wished. > > Please advise if you think that I can remedy this problem with the > solution pictured. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone! > > http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1600%20motor/?action=view¤ > t=DSCN2525.jpg > > Cheers > Kevin From ptrmgb at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 12:40:21 2008 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:21 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27006383-5C8C-4D7E-8B6B-EED24EF5490D@gmail.com> It should work fine. Be sure to clean up the mating edges very carefully. Merry Christmas. On Dec 24, 2008, at 1:08 PM, mg.carma wrote: > Well folks, > I recently took a 1600 block apart and I THINK I have found out why > the engine was not moving as freely as I wished. > > Please advise if you think that I can remedy this problem with the > solution pictured. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone! > > http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1600%20motor/?action=view¤t=DSCN2525.jpg > > Cheers > Kevin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as ptrmgb at gmail.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From rolindsay at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:11:15 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:11:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum Message-ID: <188177.69581.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, Merry Christmas and all the other salutations of the season! I write to you this Christmas Eve to talk about engine restoration. Specifically, I want to ask about cleaning aluminum. I have always used cloth, steel wool or ScotchBrite lubricated with WD40 or lacquer thinner and I like the results. However, the finish does not look 'new'. I'd like to know a technique to get that really clean white-aluminum finish of freshly cast aluminum. I've tried media blasting but the shop I visited used steel balls not glass, plastic or shells. The result was a dull gray finish that I didn't like. I ended up painting the part with 'Cast Coat Aluminum' engine paint - a sad, second-class solution, if attractive. So today I ask; How does one get that 'new part' aluminum finish? best regards, rick '08 M-B C300 '03 L-R Discovery '96 BMW 740iL '83 Ferrari Mondial QV '79 Ferrari 308GTB '61 M-B 180b From max_heim at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 24 14:21:04 2008 From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:21:04 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum In-Reply-To: <188177.69581.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would imagine you need to buff it. Not sure what to use for a compound. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Mountain View, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/24/08 12:11 PM, Rick Lindsay at rolindsay at yahoo.com wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Merry Christmas and all the other salutations of the season! > > I write to you this Christmas Eve to talk about engine restoration. > Specifically, I want to ask about cleaning aluminum. I have always used > cloth, steel wool or ScotchBrite lubricated with WD40 or lacquer thinner and I > like the results. However, the finish does not look 'new'. I'd like to know > a technique to get that really clean white-aluminum finish of freshly cast > aluminum. I've tried media blasting but the shop I visited used steel balls > not glass, plastic or shells. The result was a dull gray finish that I didn't > like. I ended up painting the part with 'Cast Coat Aluminum' engine paint - a > sad, second-class solution, if attractive. > > So today I ask; How does one get that 'new part' aluminum finish? > > best regards, > > rick > '08 M-B C300 > '03 L-R Discovery > '96 BMW 740iL > '83 Ferrari Mondial QV > '79 Ferrari 308GTB > '61 M-B 180b From mgb72 at airmail.net Wed Dec 24 15:03:26 2008 From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:03:26 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum In-Reply-To: <188177.69581.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <188177.69581.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c96613$72bf9620$583ec260$@net> Rick, Look for an aluminum wheel polish product, usually in a paste, lots of work but it will look like chrome. Chad -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:11 PM To: MGS; IPOG; sl; disco disco Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum Hello Friends, Merry Christmas and all the other salutations of the season! I write to you this Christmas Eve to talk about engine restoration. Specifically, I want to ask about cleaning aluminum. I have always used cloth, steel wool or ScotchBrite lubricated with WD40 or lacquer thinner and I like the results. However, the finish does not look 'new'. I'd like to know a technique to get that really clean white-aluminum finish of freshly cast aluminum. I've tried media blasting but the shop I visited used steel balls not glass, plastic or shells. The result was a dull gray finish that I didn't like. I ended up painting the part with 'Cast Coat Aluminum' engine paint - a sad, second-class solution, if attractive. So today I ask; How does one get that 'new part' aluminum finish? best regards, rick '08 M-B C300 '03 L-R Discovery '96 BMW 740iL '83 Ferrari Mondial QV '79 Ferrari 308GTB '61 M-B 180b _______________________________________________ From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 24 17:20:11 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4952D1BB.8080907@bradakis.com> I hate to burst your bubble, but one tube might not be sufficient. mjb. From ccrobins at ktc.com Wed Dec 24 22:56:16 2008 From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:56:16 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49532080.5080901@ktc.com> Er, ya might wanna smooth some of those edges a bit. CR mg.carma wrote: > Well folks, > I recently took a 1600 block apart and I THINK I have found out why > the engine was not moving as freely as I wished. > > Please advise if you think that I can remedy this problem with the > solution pictured. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone! > > http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/mgcarma/1600%20motor/?action=view¤t=DSCN2525.jpg > > Cheers > Kevin From shop at justbrits.com Thu Dec 25 13:59:06 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:59:06 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: <49532080.5080901@ktc.com> Message-ID: <> What type of file would you recommend, Charlie ???? Merry Christmas to all !!! Ed PS: And I agree with Mark, MORE than 1 tube will be required!!! From richard.ewald at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 15:07:55 2008 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: References: <49532080.5080901@ktc.com> Message-ID: I've looked at all the pictures, and I fail to see the problem.... :-) Merry Christmas everyone. Rick On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Ed's Shop wrote: > <> > > What type of file would you recommend, Charlie ???? > > Merry Christmas to all !!! > > Ed > > PS: And I agree with Mark, MORE than 1 tube will be required!!! > _______________________________________________ From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 25 18:01:44 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:01:44 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] aluminum look Message-ID: <3DBA1D38-1B11-4D47-93E1-7B651284DCD5@sbcglobal.net> Rick, Use a very mild acid. Body shops sell such a product but vinegar works well. Media blasting scars the finish and dulls it. Polish it up with a chrome polish and wipe it clean with the acid. The dullness is oxidation. -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:11 PM To: MGS; IPOG; sl; disco disco Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum Hello Friends, Merry Christmas and all the other salutations of the season! I write to you this Christmas Eve to talk about engine restoration. Specifically, I want to ask about cleaning aluminum. I have always used cloth, steel wool or ScotchBrite lubricated with WD40 or lacquer thinner and I like the results. However, the finish does not look 'new'. I'd like to know a technique to get that really clean white-aluminum finish of freshly cast aluminum. I've tried media blasting but the shop I visited used steel balls not glass, plastic or shells. The result was a dull gray finish that I didn't like. I ended up painting the part with 'Cast Coat Aluminum' engine paint - a sad, second-class solution, if attractive. So today I ask; How does one get that 'new part' aluminum finish? best regards, rick '08 M-B C300 From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 25 19:44:48 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:44:48 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Gus Wilson Stories Message-ID: Any of you old farts (old farts is defined as anyone at least one day older than me) remember the Gus Wilson stories from the Model Garage? This site has them dating back from the originals in 1925 thru the end in 1970. Kinda fun to read when you need to blow some time. http://www.gus-stories.org/index.html The early ones are neat because they were from way, way before a "young" guy like me was around. The differences in taking care of a car back then as compared to today are just incredible. Enjoy, this stuff is great. Larry Daniels From DMatt21502 at aol.com Fri Dec 26 07:51:39 2008 From: DMatt21502 at aol.com (DMatt21502 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:51:39 EST Subject: [Mgs] Cleaning aluminum Message-ID: The best way to clean aluminum is a polish called Semi-Chrome. It is a fine jewelers rouge. You might want to start with a polishing compund that is a little more course and work out the deep scratches. When you finish with the Semi-chrome it will look like chrome. A high speed buffer will speed up the process but still requires lots of elbow grease. Works great on dashpots and aluminum intake manifolds. I usually buy mine at a motorcycle shop. It also works great on taking scratches out of plastic headlight covers and plastic convertible top windows. **************Don't be the last to know - click here for the latest news that will have people talking. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000021) From ptrmgb at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 09:44:35 2008 From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:44:35 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Gus Wilson Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C1990EA-ED2D-4B24-97DF-956451DE340B@gmail.com> I guess I'm not old enough, but I went and read one. From 1944. It was pretty good. On Dec 25, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > Any of you old farts (old farts is defined as anyone at least one > day older > than me) remember the Gus Wilson stories from the Model Garage? > This site has > them dating back from the originals in 1925 thru the end in 1970. > Kinda fun > to read when you need to blow some time. > > http://www.gus-stories.org/index.html > > The early ones are neat because they were from way, way before a > "young" guy > like me was around. The differences in taking care of a car back > then as > compared to today are just incredible. > > Enjoy, this stuff is great. > > Larry Daniels > _______________________________________________ From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com Fri Dec 26 13:46:27 2008 From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (W. David Houser) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Gus Wilson Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 25, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: In my previous life as the Art Director for Popular Science Magazine, I became acquainted with Gus Wilson. early on. We ran his stories every month. It was a sad day when we dropped them. Dave Houser > Any of you old farts (old farts is defined as anyone at least one > day older > than me) remember the Gus Wilson stories from the Model Garage? > This site has > them dating back from the originals in 1925 thru the end in 1970. > Kinda fun > to read when you need to blow some time. > > http://www.gus-stories.org/index.html > > The early ones are neat because they were from way, way before a > "young" guy > like me was around. The differences in taking care of a car back > then as > compared to today are just incredible. > > Enjoy, this stuff is great. > > Larry Daniels > _______________________________________________ From shaws at mlcltd.com Sat Dec 27 17:56:49 2008 From: shaws at mlcltd.com (Bob Shaw) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:56:49 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Crankshaft problem In-Reply-To: <4952D1BB.8080907@bradakis.com> References: <4952D1BB.8080907@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4194B586-7E9B-4230-A12E-7FADECC7714F@mlcltd.com> It may take more than one piece of bailing wire. Bob Shaw shaws at mlcltd.com On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I hate to burst your bubble, but one tube might not > be sufficient. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as shaws at mlcltd.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Dec 29 02:12:01 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:12:01 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: The history of air con. Message-ID: The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours, and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max on the controls. From ddarby at centurytel.net Mon Dec 29 07:56:51 2008 From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:56:51 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] The history of air con. References: Message-ID: <9C4229BCBB124C30B77A979DD5395D2F@toshibauser> Groan... I wondered if this thing was on... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hunt" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:12 AM Subject: [Mgs] Fw: The history of air con. > The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max, invented > and > developed the first automobile air-conditioner. From eric at erickson.on.net Mon Dec 29 08:16:34 2008 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:46:34 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: The history of air con. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4958E9D2.2080503@erickson.on.net> Paul Hunt wrote: > The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max, invented and > developed the first automobile air-conditioner. > > On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. > > The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and > sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there > with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric > starter. > But... but... but... SNOPES says they believe the first American car in which factory-installed airconditioning was offered as an option was the 1940 Packard! :-) Eric From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 20:02:54 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:02:54 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS Message-ID: It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. http://tinyurl.com/9moylj From awhitema at panix.com Tue Dec 30 20:19:24 2008 From: awhitema at panix.com (Aaron Whiteman) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:19:24 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4816CB54-140E-46C4-8AB6-F85F823E88FA@panix.com> On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla > electric car. > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. To their defense, they were only showing that the problem with an electric car isn't range. It's recharge. They could have done so without the hysterics, but we are talking about *Top Gear* here. They consider 10MPG to be "economical". My MG will only go 250 miles if I thrash it. My Subaru can go a bit further. The Tesla can do 300 if you don't thrash it. That's all well and good, but what happens at the end of that 300 miles. I've not yet seen the episode, but a quick google indicates that a recharge takes about 3.5 hours if you have industrial service (220V, 80A), over a day on more mundane 110V. It takes about 10 minutes to refill the tank on my dino-juice cars, if the pumps run slow. This is important when you drive in Eastern Washington, the best drives take all day and are well in excess of 300 miles. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 20:27:33 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:27:33 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS References: <4816CB54-140E-46C4-8AB6-F85F823E88FA@panix.com> Message-ID: <50884604A2F34ECBB110E7366AABBCC0@Larry> Well, Aaron, you may find it acceptable to excuse their dishonesty, but I don't. They trashed a car based on lies. I don't find that acceptable no matter what their motives. Larry Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Whiteman" To: "MG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Top Gear BS On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla > electric car. > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. To their defense, they were only showing that the problem with an electric car isn't range. It's recharge. They could have done so without the hysterics, but we are talking about *Top Gear* here. They consider 10MPG to be "economical". My MG will only go 250 miles if I thrash it. My Subaru can go a bit further. The Tesla can do 300 if you don't thrash it. That's all well and good, but what happens at the end of that 300 miles. I've not yet seen the episode, but a quick google indicates that a recharge takes about 3.5 hours if you have industrial service (220V, 80A), over a day on more mundane 110V. It takes about 10 minutes to refill the tank on my dino-juice cars, if the pumps run slow. This is important when you drive in Eastern Washington, the best drives take all day and are well in excess of 300 miles. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 20:29:08 2008 From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:29:08 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40b437200812301929o20753f76i835eca6d75a76859@mail.gmail.com> Larry, I think you need to read your own email again -- you describe the Top Gear team as "clowns", which is a very apt description. It's not a programme that should be taken seriously. BBC America advertises Top Gear as a cross between "Jackass" and (?? I forgot). Regards, Simon On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. > > > http://tinyurl.com/9moylj From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 31 01:56:20 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:56:20 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS References: Message-ID: <2F59BBB8D43C4743B05FD9D5F836F14B@Three> Did you read all the way through? A paragraph very near the ends quotes BBC America as saying it is an 'entertainment' program, which it is. Anyone who watches the program on a regular basis won't be in any doubt about that, and the fact that the show is designed and scripted to achieve certain aims ... excepting those who get hot under the collar about Ford air 'con' systems maybe ... PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 31 02:19:49 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:19:49 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Top Gear BS Message-ID: <713B704C67E94E63AC17FF3A10BE5795@Three> PS. Saying they aren't allowed to drive into a building *is* disengenuous. I know Health and Safety (the three most dangerous words in the English language) now rule all but they drove the Toyota truck that had been dropped a couple of hundred feet from the top of a demolished building into the 'theatre' with all the audience around it, fractured chassis and all. ----- Original Message ----- It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of a Tesla electric car. So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their BBC show. From eric at erickson.on.net Wed Dec 31 03:48:31 2008 From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:18:31 +1030 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <713B704C67E94E63AC17FF3A10BE5795@Three> References: <713B704C67E94E63AC17FF3A10BE5795@Three> Message-ID: <495B4DFF.7030300@erickson.on.net> Paul Hunt wrote: > PS. Saying they aren't allowed to drive into a building *is* disengenuous. > I know Health and Safety (the three most dangerous words in the English > language) now rule all but they drove the Toyota truck that had been dropped a > couple of hundred feet from the top of a demolished building into the > 'theatre' with all the audience around it, fractured chassis and all. They might not be QUITE so flamboyant next year (unless Clarkson donates some of his salary to the show's production budget)! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/29/top-gear-bbc-budget-cuts-jeremy-clarkson "Budget cuts at the BBC mean "nobody's got a pot to piss in any more", according to the executive producer of BBC2's Top Gear. "Andy Wilman, who is presenter Jeremy Clarkson's business partner as well as executive producer on Top Gear  BBC2's top-rated show  said the budget for the next series was being cut and warned it would affect what viewers saw on screen." "No point in moaning about that  all shows are suffering and nobody's got a pot to piss in any more anyway, so no reason why we shouldn't suffer as well," said Wilman." === "However, Clarkson is believed to have signed a new #2million-a-year contract with the show earlier this year, while Richard Hammond is paid #25,000 a show and May #20,000." From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Dec 31 04:35:12 2008 From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:35:12 -0000 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Top Gear BS References: <713B704C67E94E63AC17FF3A10BE5795@Three> <495B4DFF.7030300@erickson.on.net> Message-ID: "... we'll endeavour to make 13 of our 14 shows as per the usual ... standard, and then the last one, when we only have a tenner left, will be utter, utter shite." They've been practising already, this year has been noticeably poorer, more farce and slapstick than previously. "Patchy" indeed. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- They might not be QUITE so flamboyant next year (unless Clarkson donates some of his salary to the show's production budget)! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/29/top-gear-bbc-budget-cuts-jeremy -clarkson From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 06:09:12 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:09:12 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Top Gear BS References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> Message-ID: <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY DAY" To: "Larry Daniels" ; "Spridgets List" ; "MG List" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Top Gear BS If we are lucky, Tesla will either get an injunction and stop the show or, they will sue the ass off Clarkson. It was a deliberate attempt to fault the car, they couldn't do it in the test track time so they faked it. WELCOME to Top Gear........, you do believe everything you see don't you? All the best for the New Year to ALL Guy R Day ======================= Finally, somebody understands why I was POed at these guys. Tesla Motors is a business that sells a product. These "clowns" deliberately distorted the product causing harm to Tesla. Whether Top Gear is a serious car show or simply entertainment, they should still get their asses sued off. Larry Daniels From richard.ewald at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 06:33:32 2008 From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:33:32 -0800 Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> References: <4156CBFD04294FEF95D16F550B9B502D@dell330> <62393564051C49C492F72380CACB6C0E@Larry> Message-ID: If anybody is interested in what was actually said, the video is available. http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/12/top-gear-flogs.html I don't think anything that was said was actionable in court, by IANAL and all that. $.02 Rick From rolindsay at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 08:10:28 2008 From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:10:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mgs] Top Gear BS In-Reply-To: <50884604A2F34ECBB110E7366AABBCC0@Larry> Message-ID: <80252.21042.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, please remember that the show is NOT trying to be Consumer Reports (A.K.A. Eastern Block religious group holding cup holders to be sacred.) They are comedic entertainment and nothing more. Reading more into that is like actually trusting Consumer Reports to adequately evaluate the fun-factor of an MGB. Ain't gonna happen. FWIW, I find the guys hilarious - just because they're so one-sided and 'dishonest'. It's entertainment; just like CNN and Fox News. Enjoy it, don't believe it. rick --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Larry Daniels wrote: > From: Larry Daniels > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Top Gear BS > To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "MG Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 9:27 PM > Well, Aaron, you may find it acceptable to excuse their > dishonesty, but I > don't. They trashed a car based on lies. I don't > find that acceptable no > matter what their motives. > > Larry Daniels > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Whiteman" > To: "MG Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Top Gear BS > > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > > > It seems the Top Gear clowns have phonied up a test of > a Tesla > > electric car. > > So much for the integrity of these jackasses and their > BBC show. > > To their defense, they were only showing that the problem > with an > electric car isn't range. It's recharge. They > could have done so > without the hysterics, but we are talking about *Top Gear* > here. They > consider 10MPG to be "economical". > > My MG will only go 250 miles if I thrash it. My Subaru can > go a bit > further. The Tesla can do 300 if you don't thrash it. > > That's all well and good, but what happens at the end > of that 300 > miles. I've not yet seen the episode, but a quick > google indicates > that a recharge takes about 3.5 hours if you have > industrial service > (220V, 80A), over a day on more mundane 110V. It takes > about 10 > minutes to refill the tank on my dino-juice cars, if the > pumps run slow. > > This is important when you drive in Eastern Washington, the > best > drives take all day and are well in excess of 300 miles. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > application/pkcs7-signature > which had a name of smime.p7s] > You are subscribed as ladaniels at sbcglobal.net > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > You are subscribed as rolindsay at yahoo.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive From barrie at look.ca Wed Dec 31 10:26:41 2008 From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:26:41 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Specialists Message-ID: I am not sure if this went out? My entry just has a blue spot against it which I think means it did not go out ? HERE IT IS I don't know about you chaps but I am constantly amazed at the number of "specialists" out there that are not generally known. I have found an outfit in this Province who makes valves - He made the complete set of valves in stainless steel for my 1955 Aston at half the price for ordinary ones from the "normal" supply source. I had my generator and starter rebuilt at another "specialist" in California for an unbelievably reasonably low price, I have just discovered a UK outfit that remanufactures distributor caps for all Lucas units. So there are quite a few of these people who do great stuff but cannot qualify for the British Car Cottage Industries web site as they are a commercial concern SO... I am starting a section on the BCCI web site for these people. The criteria are that the work/product must be made by them and is not a bought in item for resale. It must be outside the realm of "consumer products" - so a tire manufacturer, windscreen washer fluid, or oil supplier would not qualify. The concern must have, currently, a low profile so while someone like Moss makes unique and desirable products (supercharger etc) they would not qualify as their promotional effort is huge. Would sort of look like this... VALVES Bing Bong Blast Inc. makes both inlet and exhaust valves for modern and classic cars from samples. REAR PLASTIC LENSES CeeMeGo Inc offers reproduction plastic lenses for rear lights for British cars. MGB SUSPENSION Bob Upandown Ltd, UK, can supply coil over spring front suspension for most MGBs. (The section listings will be in alphabetical order!) Fast Cars were fast of the mark and are already on the list !!!!!!!!!! If you know anyone who would fit into the Specialist section please send me contact details. Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com Mgb-v8 mailing list You are subscribed as barrie at look.ca Mgb-v8 at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm http://www.britcot.com From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 13:16:38 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:16:38 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I find it fascinating that many people are still under the delusion that media and politics have some relationship to truth.... On Dec 31, 2008, at 9:10 AM, mgs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:27:33 -0600 > From: "Larry Daniels" > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Top Gear BS > To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "MG Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <50884604A2F34ECBB110E7366AABBCC0 at Larry> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, Aaron, you may find it acceptable to excuse their > dishonesty, but I > don't. They trashed a car based on lies. I don't find that > acceptable no > matter what their motives. > > Larry Daniels From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 31 16:29:15 2008 From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:29:15 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 29 References: Message-ID: <88F66385DE214709AF3132399D42AB41@Larry> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Duvall" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 29 I find it fascinating that many people are still under the delusion that media and politics have some relationship to truth.... ========================================= I find it fascinating that many people find it acceptable on those occasions when they don't. Maybe that's why we are where we are. BTW, both the media and politics can occasionally, if not accidently, get it right. Possibly even Fox News. Well, maybe not them....